The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - November 22, 2025


PREVIEW: Chronicles #23 | an Enemy of the People


Episode Stats

Length

25 minutes

Words per Minute

155.22333

Word Count

3,942

Sentence Count

259

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

5


Summary

Henrik Ibsen was a Norwegian playwright and philosopher. He is considered to be one of the most influential playwrights of his time, and was deeply controversial at his time. His play An Enemy of the People was written in 1882, and focuses on a small town in southern Norway.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, and welcome to this episode of Chronicles, where today we're going to be talking all about
00:00:19.020 An Enemy of the People by Henrik Ibsen, an absolute titan of his age in terms of playwrights,
00:00:26.820 and what's more as well, hitherto his coming in the Victorian era, by far and away the most famous
00:00:33.740 playwright to come from Norway, or probably since as well. Henrik Ibsen is an incredibly famous writer,
00:00:42.040 and a writer that had a profound effect on the world around him. He was deeply controversial
00:00:48.880 at his time, and I will openly admit that some of his writing is deeply subversive,
00:00:55.460 deeply, deeply subversive. When you take an example of a play such as A Doll's House that I did
00:01:01.400 consider covering, but I wanted to start with a play where you can actually see more of the base
00:01:09.660 coming through in Ibsen's thinking, so that we didn't simply go into the school curriculum of
00:01:16.860 subversion, which A Doll's House is obviously a part of. So An Enemy of the People. Now, this play was
00:01:23.760 written in 1882. He wrote it in about nine weeks, and a lot of the structure of the play and its
00:01:33.000 critiques and its argumentation is very much Ibsen basically trying to argue back at the critics who
00:01:40.040 disliked his previous work, which was Ghosts. And Ibsen was writing at a time in Norwegian history
00:01:48.060 when, much like everywhere else in Europe at the time, a lot of social change was going on.
00:01:55.240 You had a burgeoning middle class, and with this, with more money, more opportunities,
00:02:00.900 you had a also growing sense of what would just be termed self-realization, right? That actually,
00:02:08.600 with this money, with this agency, you know, in the modern world, in budding modernity,
00:02:15.000 actually individualism, individuality were very, very important. And it was through discovery and
00:02:23.060 action as individuals that we are best able to arrive at truth. And this is something that the
00:02:30.120 play deals with very, very masterfully. And what's more as well, one of the reasons why it is such a good
00:02:36.560 play is the fact that actually Ibsen does a very able job of steel manning both positions in society.
00:02:45.120 Before we get into the actual play itself, though, let's just talk a little bit more about Ibsen.
00:02:50.780 So he was born in 1828 in the seaport town of Skeen in Norway, and he was actually born into a
00:03:00.560 relatively affluent merchant family, right? His father had some merchant ships, and they did very
00:03:07.280 well. But his father's business went bankrupt in 36. And at the age of 15, Henrik Ibsen left home.
00:03:16.640 And from there, much of his life was just dedicated to a passion for trying to make it in the world of
00:03:24.960 theatre. He was incredibly persistent. This is one of the chief qualities that really defines Ibsen
00:03:32.400 throughout his life. And what's more as well, for a man who was quite liberal in his political leanings,
00:03:41.120 he was also a man who was very conservative when it came to his own life as well. You find many
00:03:46.640 photographs of Ibsen impeccably dressed like the quintessential Victorian man. And he was very
00:03:53.920 particular about his appearance all the time. What's more, he and his wife lived actually a very
00:04:00.000 traditional life. But all the time, what Ibsen was able to do was he was able to put to theatre the
00:04:08.080 types of conversations that families were starting to have at the dinner table in late 19th century
00:04:15.360 Norwegian society. So I thought An Enemy of the People would be a strong place to start with Ibsen's
00:04:23.840 works. And so without further ado, let's get into the story.
00:04:33.280 Our story takes place in a coastal town in southern Norway. It is a small community,
00:04:39.280 a folk of hardy and genial characters. This play focuses chiefly on just one of the town's many
00:04:47.120 families, the Stockmans. Their home is the setting of Act One, where Mrs. Stockman entertains guests
00:04:54.320 with her generous warmth. It is a house of reasonable affluence, evoking middle-class comfort. Mr. Billing,
00:05:02.000 the sub-editor of the local paper, the People's Messenger, is having some supper. Soon the mayor,
00:05:09.120 Peter Stockman, comes to visit his brother, who is absent at present.
00:05:13.440 I happen to be passing, and so... But you have company with you, I see.
00:05:18.320 Oh no, it was quite by chance he came in. Won't you come in and have something too?
00:05:23.360 No, thank you. Good gracious. Hot meat at night. Not with my digestion.
00:05:28.160 Oh, but just once in a way. No, no, my dear lady. I stick to my tea and bread and butter. It is much more
00:05:36.400 wholesome in the long run, and a little more economical too. Now you mustn't think that Thomas and I are spendthrifts.
00:05:43.440 Not you, my dear. I would never think that of you.
00:05:47.200 Is he not at home? No, he went out for a little turn after supper, he and the boys.
00:05:53.200 I doubt if that was a wise thing to do. I fancy I hear him coming now.
00:05:57.760 But it is Mr. Hovstad, the lead editor of the paper. Pete comments on how his brother has recently
00:06:05.360 written more articles for The Messenger. Quite so, quite so. I don't blame him in the least,
00:06:11.440 as a writer for addressing himself to the quarters where he finds the readiest sympathy.
00:06:16.800 And besides that, I personally have no reason to bear any ill will to your paper, Mr. Hovstad.
00:06:22.640 Taking one thing with another, there is an excellent spirit of toleration in the town,
00:06:27.200 an admirable municipal spirit. And it all springs from the fact of our having a common interest to unite us,
00:06:34.320 an interest that is in an equally high degree the concern of every right-minded citizen.
00:06:40.320 That common concern is for the new natural baths that have restorative health benefits.
00:06:46.560 They are the pride of the town and a testament to the community's unity.
00:06:50.960 The bathhouse complex that has been built around the natural springs is set to be a great boon to
00:06:56.560 the prosperity of the town. They hope that the summer will bring many visitors. Eventually,
00:07:02.320 the man of the house, Dr. Thomas Stockman, returns home from a walk with his young sons,
00:07:08.240 Edglyph and Morton, in the company of Captain Horster. He warmly addresses his wife, Catherine,
00:07:15.120 before he and his brother speak alone. Thomas shows great gratitude for the prosperity that
00:07:21.200 he and his family currently have. He is the town's chief medical officer and a man of science,
00:07:27.360 reason and respectability. Though it's obvious that he and his brother Peter do care for one another,
00:07:34.080 theirs is a relationship characterised by rivalry, distance and mistrust.
00:07:40.000 Their father-in-law is a local tanner, and the children grew up in a poor household.
00:07:45.600 Utilising his fierce natural intelligence, Thomas managed to study medicine in the city,
00:07:52.000 and then he lived a life of hardship in the isolated tundra of Lapland,
00:07:56.880 treating its villagers. It was his idea to create the Baths, as a way of giving something to his
00:08:03.040 native town, and applying his knowledge of something that could be contributing to the
00:08:07.680 common good. However, Peter has never left the town, and has raised himself up from his lowly birth
00:08:14.160 to become the town's mayor and the chairman of the Baths Corporation. When his brother returned,
00:08:20.240 it was he that gave his brother the job as medical officer, with its comfortable wage.
00:08:26.240 And Peter cares deeply that he receives due credit for it.
00:08:30.320 You may have discovered the springs, but I made them possible. Without my influence,
00:08:35.600 your little idea would have died in a draw. He is weary of Thomas' extravagance and lack of respect,
00:08:42.880 and departs in a foul mood. With his bore of a brother gone, the doctor enjoys the evening in
00:08:48.880 the company of his family and friends. Do you sail soon, Captain Horster?
00:08:53.760 I expect to be ready to sail next week.
00:08:56.000 I suppose you're going to America. Yes, that is the plan.
00:09:00.000 Then you won't be able to take part in the coming election. Is there going to be an election?
00:09:05.840 Didn't you know? No, I don't mix myself up in those things.
00:09:10.720 But do you not take an interest in public affairs?
00:09:14.640 No, I don't know anything about politics. All the same, one ought to vote at any rate.
00:09:21.120 Even if one doesn't know anything about what's going on?
00:09:24.080 Doesn't know? What do you mean by that?
00:09:27.120 A community is like a ship. Everyone ought to be prepared to take the helm.
00:09:32.560 Maybe that's all very well on shore, but on board ship, it wouldn't work.
00:09:38.320 The stockman's daughter returns home for the evening.
00:09:41.520 Her name is Petra, and she is very much her father's child.
00:09:46.160 Opinionated, strong-willed, but kindly spoken and warm.
00:09:50.960 She gives her father a letter that he's been irritably waiting for,
00:09:54.800 and he retreats to his study to read it. When he re-emerges,
00:09:58.640 he declares to the others that this letter confirms his suspicions.
00:10:02.800 The baths are contaminated with bacteria, poisoned by the leather runoffs from the tannery upstream.
00:10:10.000 The doctor is ecstatic to have his suspicions vindicated,
00:10:14.080 so that something can be done before they officially open.
00:10:17.440 Most modestly, he is glad that he could do his duty to the town by serving the common good.
00:10:22.880 Hofstad is only too keen to let the doctor write a piece for the newspaper,
00:10:27.600 so that the town may know the truth about the baths. The pipes must be relocated.
00:10:33.440 Thank you. Thank you, my dear friend. I feel tremendously happy.
00:10:38.480 It is a splendid thing for a man to be able to feel that he has done a service
00:10:43.040 to his native town and to his fellow citizens. Hurrah, Catherine!
00:10:47.280 Act 2 begins, and Thomas is visited by several guests, each being emphatic supporters of his service.
00:10:55.120 Yet, such solidarity is not entirely gifted to the doctor for their care for a truth.
00:11:01.600 For some, such as Hofstad, it is ideological. In my opinion, a journalist incurs a heavy responsibility
00:11:09.680 if he neglects a favourable opportunity of emancipating the masses, the humble and oppressed.
00:11:15.920 I know well enough that in exalted circles I shall be called an agitator, and all that sort of thing, but they
00:11:22.560 may call what they like. For the liberal Hofstad, this is a political opportunity to attack the town's
00:11:29.120 wealthy investors, and Dr Stockman, being a believer in the liberally-minded youth, finds this an agreeable
00:11:37.440 alliance. But soon, he is visited once more by Peter, in his capacity as mayor and chairman.
00:11:44.640 His elder brother is intransigent.
00:11:47.680 Have you taken the trouble to consider what your proposed alterations would cost?
00:11:52.560 According to the information I obtained, the expenses would probably mount up to £15,000 to £20,000.
00:11:59.200 Would it cost so much? Yes. And the worst part of it would be that the work would take at least two years.
00:12:07.920 Two years? Two whole years? At least.
00:12:13.040 And what are we to do with the baths in the meantime? Close them. Indeed, we should be obliged to.
00:12:19.360 And do you suppose anyone would come near the place after it had got out that the water was dangerous?
00:12:24.720 Yes, but Peter, that is what it is. And all this is at this juncture, just as the baths are beginning to be known.
00:12:33.120 There are other towns in the neighbourhood with qualifications to attract visitors for bathing purposes.
00:12:39.200 Don't you suppose they would immediately strain every nerve to divert the entire stream of strangers to themselves?
00:12:46.560 Unquestionably, they would. And then where should we be?
00:12:50.480 We should probably have to abandon the whole thing. Which has cost us so much money, and then you would have ruined your native town.
00:12:57.840 I should have ruined!
00:13:00.080 It is simply and solely through the baths that the town has before it any future worth mentioning.
00:13:06.640 You know that just as well as I. But what do you think ought to be done then?
00:13:11.040 Your report has not convinced me that the condition of the water at the baths is as bad as you represent it to be.
00:13:19.040 Thomas cannot stand the idea of lying to the people about the baths.
00:13:23.200 What's more, with the liberal press behind him, as well as the support of Aslikson, the head of the Housing Association,
00:13:31.120 he feels he can mount enough pressure against Peter and the board. The compact majority is with him.
00:13:38.480 When Thomas accuses Peter of really only caring for his own self-interest and his own position of authority in all of this,
00:13:46.480 and not for the common good of the town, Peter retorts,
00:13:50.480 And even if that were true, if I perhaps guard my reputation somewhat anxiously, it is in the interests of the town.
00:13:58.640 Without moral authority, I am powerless to direct public affairs as seems, to my judgment, to be the best for the common good.
00:14:06.880 And on that account, and for various other reasons, it appears to me to be a matter of importance
00:14:14.160 that your report should not be delivered to the committee.
00:14:17.280 In the interests of the public, you must withhold it.
00:14:21.280 Then, later on, I will raise the question, and we will do our best privately.
00:14:27.280 But nothing of this unfortunate affair, not a single word of it, must come to the ears of the public.
00:14:36.000 I am afraid you will not be able to prevent that now, my dear Peter.
00:14:40.480 Peter is astonished at his brother's lack of consideration for his position, and his general indiscretion.
00:14:47.680 Up to a certain point, yes. It is painful for a man in an official position
00:14:52.640 to have his nearest relative compromising himself time after time.
00:14:57.760 And do you consider that I do that?
00:15:00.560 Yes, unfortunately you do, without even being aware of it.
00:15:04.480 You have a restless, pugnacious, rebellious disposition.
00:15:08.240 And then, there is that disastrous propensity of yours to want to write about every sort of
00:15:14.160 possible and impossible thing. The moment an idea comes into your head, you must needs go and write a
00:15:21.360 newspaper article, or a whole pamphlet about it. Well, but is it not the duty of a citizen to let the
00:15:28.480 public share in any new ideas he may have? Oh, the public doesn't require any new ideas.
00:15:35.200 The public is best served by the good, old-established ideas it already has.
00:15:40.240 Peter practically orders Thomas to publicly refute his own claims.
00:15:44.320 But he will not, and the two are at an impasse. If the doctor will not yield, he will be removed
00:15:50.320 from his position on the Basque committee. It is I who have the real good of the town at heart.
00:15:56.400 I want to lay bare the defects that sooner or later must come to light of day.
00:16:01.280 I will show whether I love my native town. You, who in your blind obstinacy want to cut off the most
00:16:07.760 important source of the town's welfare. The source is poisoned, man. Are you mad?
00:16:14.240 We are making our living by retailing filth and corruption. The whole of our flourishing
00:16:19.360 municipal life derives its substance from a lie. All imagination, or something even worse,
00:16:25.760 the man who throws out such offensive insinuations about his native town must be an enemy to our
00:16:33.440 community. Peter departs, and Dr Stockman is left to reflect on the dilemma with his wife. For her part,
00:16:41.920 Catherine pleads with him to show concern for his family. This feud will set her husband against the
00:16:47.920 powerful men of the town, and she fears for her family's comfort and standing. But Thomas is unwavering
00:16:54.560 in his moral crusade. He will perform this public service. He will present the truth to the town.
00:17:01.120 He will go against his brother's wishes. Act 3 takes place in the editor's room of the People's
00:17:07.120 Messenger. Hofstad and Billing are in awe at the Doctor's polemical prowess, and are sure that his
00:17:13.040 words will rouse the revolution they seek. They are visited by Dr Stockman, who is eager for the article
00:17:19.280 to be published. Well, they will get the worst of it with me. They may assure themselves of that.
00:17:25.200 I shall consider the People's Messenger my sheet anchor now, and every single day I will bombard them
00:17:31.760 with one article after another, like bombshells. Yes, but hurrah, it is war! I shall smite them to the
00:17:39.840 ground. I shall crush them. I shall break down all of their defences before the eyes of the honest public.
00:17:47.680 That is what I shall do. Yes, but in moderation, Doctor. Proceed with moderation. Not a bit of it.
00:17:56.960 Not a bit of it. Don't spare the dynamite. Because it is not merely a question of water supply and drains,
00:18:03.200 now you know. No, it is the whole of our social life that we've got to purify and disinfect.
00:18:09.520 Spoken like a deliverer. All the incapables must be turned out, you understand. And that, in every
00:18:16.000 walk of life, endless vistas have opened themselves to my mind's eye today. I cannot see it all quite
00:18:22.800 clearly yet, but I shall in time. Young and vigorous standard bearers. Those are what we need and must
00:18:29.680 seek, my friends. We must have new men in command at all our outposts. Hear, hear. We only need to
00:18:36.720 stand by one another, and it will all be perfectly easy. The revolution will be launched like a ship
00:18:42.640 that runs smoothly off the stocks. Don't you think so? For my part, I think we have now the prospect of
00:18:48.960 getting a municipal authority into the hands where it should lie. And if only we proceed with moderation,
00:18:55.360 I cannot imagine there will be any risk. Who the devil cares whether there is any risk or not?
00:19:01.040 What I am doing, I am doing in the name of truth, and for sake of my conscience. The doctor departs in
00:19:08.000 the highest of spirits, and soon the editors are visited by Petra, who has come to turn down some
00:19:14.080 translation work, not satisfied with the moral content of the story she was given. You don't
00:19:19.840 understand me. The burden of this story is that there is a supernatural power that looks after the
00:19:25.200 so-called good people in the world, and makes everything happen for the best in their case,
00:19:30.640 while all the so-called bad people are punished. Well, but that is all right. That is what our readers
00:19:37.680 want. And are you going to be the ones to give it to them? For myself, I do not believe a word of it.
00:19:44.000 You know quite well that things do not happen, so in reality. You are perfectly right, but an editor
00:19:50.640 cannot always act as he would prefer. He is often obliged to bow to the wishes of the public in
00:19:56.160 unimportant matters. Politics are the most important thing in life, for a newspaper anyway,
00:20:02.880 and if I want to carry my public with me on paths that lead to liberty and progress,
00:20:08.000 I must not frighten them away. If they find a moral tale of this sort in the serial at the bottom of the
00:20:13.760 page, they will be all the more ready to read what is printed above it. The conversation inevitably turns
00:20:19.680 towards Petra's father, and Hofstad clumsily reveals that his help is partly motivated by
00:20:27.280 wanting to win Petra's affections. Petra is appalled that the purity of her father's course could be
00:20:34.320 sullied by Hofstad's selfish motives. She leaves, and they are then visited by the mayor.
00:20:41.600 Peter Stockman comes to them and meets their idealism with power and reality. He threatens
00:20:49.280 the newspaper with loss of city contracts and subscriptions. He speaks plainly about the
00:20:55.120 economic burden that it would put upon the town if the Baths had to be renovated and reconstructed
00:21:02.320 to the doctor's wishes. He also politely suggests that there will be official favour for them,
00:21:08.400 should they understand his reasoning. He offers them a sharp reality check. If they publish the
00:21:14.480 doctor's article, the committee will be compelled to close the Baths for two years, while the necessary
00:21:20.320 alterations are made, and the costs will be put on the small business owners that Luxem represents.
00:21:27.040 The editors capitulate. But before Peter compresses advantage, his brother returns to ask about the
00:21:33.280 article being published. Peter indignantly flees to the other room, but as Dr Stockman converses with
00:21:40.720 the editors, it becomes clear to him that their zeal and principle are gone. When Peter confronts him,
00:21:47.840 he realises that the struggle for truth will be harder, and possibly even futile.
00:21:53.600 It shall be made public all the same. I will read it out at a mass meeting of the townspeople.
00:21:59.120 All my fellow citizens shall hear the voice of truth. You will not find any public body in the
00:22:04.800 town that will give you the use of their hall for such a purpose. Not a single one, I'm certain.
00:22:10.480 No, I'm damned if you will find one. But this is too shameful. Why should everyone turn against you
00:22:16.960 like that? I will tell you why. It is because all the men of this town are old women, like you.
00:22:25.520 They all think of nothing but their families, and never of the community. Then I will show them that
00:22:31.360 an old woman can be a man for once. I'm going to stand by you, Thomas. Bravely said. Bravely said,
00:22:38.320 Catherine. It shall be made public, as I am a living soul. If I can't hire a hall, I shall hire a drum,
00:22:45.840 and parade the town with it and read it at every street corner. You are surely not such an errant fool
00:22:52.960 as that. Yes, I am. It is with these convictions that Act 3 ends and the townsfolk assemble in the
00:23:00.560 old-fashioned room at Captain Horster's home at the beginning of Act 4. There are voices from amongst a
00:23:07.280 mob. Before them is Mayor Peter Stockman, his brother the Defiant Doctor, and Aslakson, whose voice
00:23:14.800 commands great respect from the majority. I beg to support the Mayor's motion. I quite agree with
00:23:22.080 him that there is something behind this agitation started by the Doctor. He talks about the Bass,
00:23:27.920 but it is a revolution he is aiming at. He wants to get the administration of the town into new hands.
00:23:34.480 No one doubts the honesty of the Doctor's intentions. No one will suggest that there can be any two opinions
00:23:42.000 as to that. I myself am a believer in self-government for the people, provided it does not fall too
00:23:49.200 heavily on the ratepayers. But that would be the case here, and that is why I will see Dr Stockman
00:23:55.840 damned, I beg your pardon, before I go with him in the matter. You can pay too dearly for a thing sometimes,
00:24:02.720 that is my opinion, against the triumvirate of the Mayor, Hofstad and Aslakson. The Doctor cannot win
00:24:11.840 over the townsfolk. Truth may stand with him, but the compact majority does not. Not even permitted to
00:24:19.360 read the report of his own evidence, the Doctor takes a different stand. I have already told you that
00:24:27.440 what I want to speak about is a great discovery I have made lately. The discovery that all the
00:24:33.200 sources of moral life are poisoned, and that the whole fabric of our civic community is founded on
00:24:39.760 the perfidious soil of falsehood. If you enjoyed this piece of premium content from the Lotus Eaters,
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