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PREVIEW: Chronicles #5 | H.G. Wells: The War of the Worlds


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The Worlds is a novel by H.G. Wells, written in 1888, about the alien invasion of the planet Earth by the Martians, and set in the early 19th century. It's a classic sci-fi novel, and in this episode, we're joined by the future King of Mars himself, Beau, to discuss the story.


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00:00:00.000 Hello, and welcome to this week's episode of Chronicles, where this time we're going to be
00:00:17.560 talking about The War of the Worlds by H.G. Wells. And here this time to talk the story through with
00:00:24.240 me is the future King of Mars himself, Beau. How are you, sir? Fine, thank you. How are you?
00:00:30.760 Yeah, really good. Really, thanks for coming on to talk all about such an iconic novel.
00:00:36.020 Yeah, no, I'm happy to. It's one of my favourites. I've read it a number of times.
00:00:39.120 I've re-read it, or actually re-listened to the audiobook over the weekend, so it's fresh in my
00:00:43.780 mind. I actually haven't seen the Tom Cruise version, or I watched a bit of it and then
00:00:48.420 abandoned it. I wasn't interested. But the original book is superb. Well, I'm personally
00:00:55.180 of the opinion, being a prudish purist, that the War of the Worlds shouldn't really be set in any
00:01:03.940 era other than Victorian England. The story works best in Victorian England, partly because it was
00:01:12.120 responding to a particular moment in British history. It's responding to the British Empire
00:01:17.920 at the height of its power during the Pax Britannica, the 1890s, when there was a feeling of
00:01:23.560 real national confidence in the air. Now, I suppose you could say that about America 2000, when the film
00:01:31.920 was trying to... But it's just not the same. In order to work best, it's got to be kept in the time
00:01:39.660 period it was meant to be in. You know, definitely. The original book is very, very, very firmly set
00:01:45.280 in South East England, or in and around the Greater London region. And it's interesting because
00:01:51.480 I'm from the South East, and so loads of the... Like the original Alien Invasion lands at Woking,
00:01:58.400 of all places, that's sort of west of London. A lot of it is west of London, but he goes on to talk
00:02:03.240 about Kent and like Chelmsford. South End, Chuburness. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, that's my part of the
00:02:08.760 world. So when I first read it, I don't know how old I was, 16 or 18 or something like that,
00:02:13.440 probably, I think, when I first read it. And I'm like, this is... I know all these places.
00:02:18.060 Right, yeah. Like you mentioned, quite a few places in central London that I know.
00:02:23.140 So it's in a really specific time and place, it's set. And yeah, that's the original thing. Why mess
00:02:30.940 with that? Absolutely. And I learned as well that apparently he, in order to sort of get the story
00:02:37.460 really clear in his mind, H.G. Wells went on a bike ride from Woking, because he was living in Woking
00:02:43.820 at the time when he wrote it. And so he went on the bike ride through, you know, through Weybridge,
00:02:49.460 through Shepparton, into London, around Putney, and then obviously through down into Essexway.
00:02:56.460 Right. In order to really... And what I'll do is I'll ask in edit to get a map put up of the Martian
00:03:02.240 warpath and where it goes through, because it's one of those ones, you know, because of his style
00:03:06.940 of realism, where he writes about everything in such minute, realistic detail as to the nature and
00:03:13.380 character of these little villages from the home counties and, of course, the main capital of
00:03:18.980 London, that you really... It adds this layer of believability to really, obviously, outlandish,
00:03:26.980 you know, the idea of Martians coming from space and conquering London at the height of the British
00:03:32.400 Empire. And so, you know, using that style of realism, it grounds it all and makes it much more
00:03:38.980 believable in the reader's mind. And it's very, very deliberate. It just didn't happen to do that.
00:03:44.500 Actually, when I was listening to it at the weekend, I was... I did think to myself of... I'd probably
00:03:49.220 never do it, but of following that course. People must have done it before. Oh, I'm sure.
00:03:53.260 The course of the aliens. But yeah, it goes from out in Woking, like through places like Hampton
00:03:58.420 Court and Richmond and then to Primrose Hill and on and on. Yeah. It'd probably be a really nice journey.
00:04:03.200 If the weather was nice, it'd probably be really nice. Probably. But it's very, very deliberate because he was
00:04:07.200 writing for a sort of middle class audience, the type of people that would live in West London
00:04:14.160 or Surrey. They are sort of his audience. They are his people, if you like. I mean, he was one of the
00:04:19.940 things I think we should say early on is that he was extremely famous in his own lifetime. He was a
00:04:24.920 massive bestseller in his own lifetime. I mean, his breakthrough was The Time Machine. Of course.
00:04:30.760 And everything after that was... I mean, I've heard some people say he was one of the most
00:04:35.860 famous people in the world. He was absolutely literary royalty. Even by the time this...
00:04:44.300 Certainly after War of the Worlds came out. Yes. Which was, for those who might not know,
00:04:48.860 it first came out in a serialized form from 1893 to 1895. And then it was published as one
00:04:56.020 single physical story in 1898. Right. And that's another thing to mention, isn't it,
00:05:02.720 to begin with, I think, is that it's obviously of its time. Yeah. So, like, it's pre... the very,
00:05:11.260 very, very late 19th century, sort of higher Victorian period, late Victorian period.
00:05:16.360 Men couldn't fly yet. The Wright brothers hadn't done their thing yet. Right.
00:05:20.020 So at one point, for example, he talks about the secret of flight. Yes.
00:05:24.240 That men will learn the secret of flight from the aliens. Oh, yeah. He couldn't... In 1895 or
00:05:30.440 whatever, we didn't fly yet. No. Well, in balloons, but not powered flight. Sure.
00:05:34.380 And there's all sorts of things like that. There's a few things where he mentions something
00:05:37.340 about various things about Mars and things about Venus, even, where we now know that's
00:05:42.240 not true. That's not correct. But they didn't know that yet. No. In the late 19th century,
00:05:46.820 there's a number of things like that. I mean, H.G. Wells is a really interesting life,
00:05:52.680 period of his life. So he was born in the 1860s, 1866, I think, and died when he was about
00:05:58.380 80-odd, just after the war, just after World War II. Yeah. Lived through many really important
00:06:04.180 historical events. Saw a lot. Yeah. A lot of change. And he's one of those people who would
00:06:10.220 have been, was, had his formative years and his early adulthood in sort of the classic
00:06:16.220 higher Victorian period, but then lived through World War I, saw the world, what it was like
00:06:22.680 before and after World War I. And most people say that lived through that, that it was night
00:06:27.940 and day. It was like, if you didn't know what the world was like pre-1914, you can never
00:06:31.940 really know. And then even at the end of his life, he saw nukes, right? Right.
00:06:37.520 In a year or so before he died, he would have seen Hiroshima and stuff and fulfilling a lot of the
00:06:44.040 sort of themes he talks about, that science can go crazy. Yeah. That men need to be careful about
00:06:49.180 his science. He might blow up the world or kill himself one way or another. Yes. And he saw it
00:06:55.580 sort of almost happen. Yeah. Nagasaki, definitely as devastating as a Martian attack with their heat
00:07:01.980 rays and black smoke. Yeah. Yeah. So one thing I suppose it's also important to mention just in
00:07:09.400 terms of the style of novel that it is, is that it comes from a specific, not that all novels ever
00:07:15.960 written about this were fit into this particular time period, but there was a particular time period
00:07:20.760 from about 1870, the end of the, with the Franco-Prussian war, till about World War I, which was known
00:07:27.980 as invasion literature, which was responding to a particular anxiety at the time in Britain about
00:07:35.180 the possibility of invasion that had come after the sort of startling success of Prussia against France
00:07:44.140 and the, the genuine militaristic might of them. And that if the Germans so wanted to, this might,
00:07:51.960 this anxiety, you know, might become a reality. And one of the novels that first responded to this
00:07:59.180 was written in 1871 by a British general called George Tompkins Chesney, who wrote a novel called
00:08:08.040 The Battle of Dorking, in which a very non-specific people who spoke German attacked Dorking and the
00:08:17.940 people of Dorking were cut off from everyone else outside.
00:08:21.660 Oh, is this with loads of, um, blimps?
00:08:24.160 Yes.
00:08:25.160 Right, yeah.
00:08:26.160 Yes. And this, and so the War of the Worlds, about, you know, responding about, well, 24 years later,
00:08:34.020 is still a part of that heritage. But H.G. Wells obviously brings in a much more science fiction spin on it,
00:08:41.640 being, and that's another thing, when you talked about the fact that he wrote, uh, The Time Machine
00:08:45.940 and, uh, you know, Martians coming from space, he was the first person to, to create these ideas.
00:08:52.560 Mm.
00:08:52.820 The, the very idea of, we take, you know, Time Machine, Back to the Future, you know, Avengers,
00:08:57.940 all these sorts of things now, like, oh yeah, time travel, that's just a thing that we associate
00:09:02.160 with science fiction. Well, he came up with it. He came up with the Time Machine.
00:09:05.780 Hmm. So yeah, a number of things you've said there, a straight, so responding to that straight
00:09:09.880 away. The reason why H.G. Wells is, it's still brilliant in and of itself, standing alone.
00:09:15.040 Mm.
00:09:15.380 The reason why he's so pivotal is because, yeah, lots of themes that he talks about. He
00:09:21.660 was the first one. Mm.
00:09:22.720 Mm. It's odd to think in our world of not having time travel stories, but The Time Machine
00:09:29.280 was the first one, apparently. Mm.
00:09:30.880 Apparently, no one ever wrote about time travel before then. And lots of other things that
00:09:35.900 he did, he did first. Mm.
00:09:38.700 Um, the other thing, I think Jules Verne wrote a story about, um, Germans sending, like, a
00:09:45.280 whole fleet of, of, uh, blimps, or what do they call them? Dirigibles.
00:09:49.500 Oh, yes. Or, um, what was, what's the German word for them?
00:09:53.160 Zeppelin.
00:09:53.700 Zeppelins. Fleets of Zeppelins across the Atlantic to attack, uh, New York. Mm.
00:09:58.740 Um, yeah, this idea that they knew, they sort of knew or thought that future wars would
00:10:03.540 have aerial bombing of cities, but they hadn't actually, again, the Wright brothers hadn't
00:10:08.500 actually built any powered planes yet, but you did have, uh, blimps.
00:10:13.880 Yes. So, um, yeah, I suppose one of the main things, not just, um, well, there's one line
00:10:20.480 in there, isn't there, actually, where he says something about, he's surprised that civilization
00:10:25.420 didn't wake up to the fact that they've been invaded right away. Mm. And even though like
00:10:30.260 a day or two into it, London is still just, hasn't really woken up to the fact that it's
00:10:35.260 happening. Yeah. And he said that if the news had come across that the Germans had mobilized,
00:10:40.360 there'd be much more panic in the streets. Yes. And that's interesting because that's
00:10:43.920 like, you know, 20 years before world war one people, it was still already in the public
00:10:48.340 consciousness that the Germans might do something like that. Right. Um, that's an interesting
00:10:52.580 sort of insight into the, the last years of the 19th century. Um, um, um, yeah. And I
00:10:58.760 suppose one of the biggest things is not just the fear of the Germans invading or anyone
00:11:03.760 invading. Um, but the, the, the thing, I'm sure you're going to talk about it, the theme
00:11:09.760 of the Martians being imperialists or colonizers even. Yeah. It's kind of an allegory for imperialism.
00:11:18.760 HG Wells was sort of fairly anti-imperialist. He was something of a, a red, a little bit
00:11:24.520 of a socialist. It didn't consume him or his writing particularly, but it is there. Yes.
00:11:30.000 Um, and he was sort of an early proto feminist. It's a bit strong, nothing like third or fourth
00:11:35.860 wave feminism, but no Victorian style, uh, very, very early feminist type person. Um, so
00:11:42.680 he certainly liked women. Yeah. Yeah. He loved the women's. Um, no, but this idea that, um, certain
00:11:50.220 colonial, uh, powers would go around the world and sometimes, sometimes be quite brutal. So
00:11:57.220 there's one line in there, isn't it, where he talks about the Tasmanians mentions the Tasmanians. Yes.
00:12:02.120 And apparently in real life, that was something that played on his consciousness because we went
00:12:06.640 to Tasmania, Tassie, little Island off the bottom of Australia and, um, unspeakable things happened
00:12:15.220 to the indigenous people there. Yes. And apparently one time he was on a walk with his brother and his
00:12:20.840 brother put, put the seed in his head. He said, imagine if some alien creatures came down that was
00:12:26.860 more advanced to us than we are to Tasmanian aboriginals. And they treated us the way we treated
00:12:33.900 them. Imagine that. And anyway, that's one tiny little seed and one tiny little, um, a bit of
00:12:41.180 motivation to write War of the Worlds, apparently. Hmm. It's great, isn't it? Oh, it's fantastic.
00:12:46.280 It's a real page turner. It is. Uh, some books, even very, very famous books, they're a bit of a
00:12:52.180 chore, particularly 19th century books, can be a bit of a chore, right? Dickens, as good as he is,
00:12:58.220 sometimes it's quite slow. You have to trust his process. You have to trust the payoff with Dickens.
00:13:02.720 HG Wells is just straight in and you're hooked. Oh, I am. Most people are. Oh, I am too.
00:13:08.180 It's great. Yeah. Um, you can tell actually from, uh, whoever wrote the screenplay, I don't
00:13:14.280 know if it's actually Jeff Wayans himself, wrote the, wrote the narration for the seventies
00:13:19.180 show, um, how they've abridged that opening line. Yep. I've remembered verbatim the Richard
00:13:26.400 Burton. Oh yeah. Thing. Should I do it? I'll go for it. Yeah. I shall do my Burton. I should've
00:13:31.680 handed it over to you really. I feel bad now. So that goes, it might not be 100% verbatim,
00:13:36.860 but it should be quite close. He says, um, okay. On the spot. He goes, uh, nobody would
00:13:46.940 have believed that in the closing years of the 19th century, human affairs were being
00:13:53.620 watched from the timeless worlds of space. Nobody could have dreamed that we were being
00:14:00.740 scrutinized as somebody with a microscope might study the creatures that swarm and multiply
00:14:06.120 in a drop of water. Few men even considered the possibility of life on other planets. And
00:14:11.840 yet from across the Gulf of space, minds immeasurably superior to our own regarded our earth with envious
00:14:23.300 eyes. And slowly and surely they drew their plans against us. Okay. So what we're going to
00:14:35.360 do now is we're going to edit out my entire reading for that. And we're just going to keep
00:14:39.920 that magnificent. That was terrific. To make a short out of that. Yeah. You've, uh, you've
00:14:45.920 been practicing that in the mirror, haven't you? Well, no, there's a few things. When I was a kid,
00:14:49.900 I was taught that you should learn things by rote. Yeah. Just a number of things. Anything you like.
00:14:55.280 Yeah. That's a great skill. Anything that you, any little monologue or any little speech from a TV
00:15:00.780 or film or anything, you learn to, or a poem. Yes. Or a paragraph from a famous book, a bit of
00:15:05.980 Shakespeare. Well, I've got the whole of Once More Unto the Breach, that whole monologue. I know it.
00:15:11.060 It's, uh, yeah, I've got, I've got a couple of dozen different things that I'd know off by heart.
00:15:18.180 Yeah. And that's a great one to have. A few bits of Shakespeare, a couple of short, shorter poems.
00:15:23.120 Mm-hmm. Um, and it's really, really good, especially when you're younger. If you sort of
00:15:28.080 force a, if you've got like a 10-year-old, 12-year-old, 13-year-old kid, force them to do
00:15:32.740 that a bit. Yeah. And, um, and you, they'll remember it forever. Yeah. Because most of these
00:15:37.900 things I learned when I was much younger. Mm-hmm. And they don't, it used to be a cornerstone
00:15:43.160 of education. Mm-hmm. To force children to learn things by rote. And it fell out of favor many,
00:15:49.480 many years ago, because frankly, dumb people don't like doing it or can't do it. Mm-hmm.
00:15:55.420 So it fell out of favor to teach kids to do that. Sure. In fact, it's a brilliant, um, it's
00:16:01.220 a brilliant tool, um, for learning, comprehension, memory. Yeah, totally. All sorts of things.
00:16:07.220 So I've had that in my head. Yes. For 25 years, 30 years, probably. It shows. It was brilliant.
00:16:13.320 I love that. What a great thing to witness. The, uh, so I suppose, but from that as
00:16:19.380 well, to go back to a point you were saying earlier, as the story moves on, so the first
00:16:23.440 cylinder is fired from Mars and it shoots down in a Horsell Common near Woking, right? That
00:16:30.320 level of detail. And like you're saying, people just go about their day. Mm-hmm.
00:16:36.740 He talks about the fact that, you know, just the teenagers walk down the street flirting
00:16:41.080 with one another. Students are still at school studying, you know, mums and dads are putting
00:16:46.900 the children to bed. You know, he also talks about the fact that, uh, so that the narrator
00:16:51.900 himself, he doesn't have a name, of course, as well, you know, this, but you know, just
00:16:55.940 for people who are listening, they, it's all done from first person narration. Uh, and even
00:17:02.320 though there is a second point of view, which is the narrator's brother, it's obviously told
00:17:07.620 in a style in which the brother has survived the events, told the narrator, and then the narrator
00:17:13.900 has chronicled them as an eyewitness account of, because the narrator chronicles what happens
00:17:20.160 in the home counties and around Woking and the rural villages, and the brother chronicles
00:17:25.320 what actually happens in London, in the big city. And so you get the point of view of what
00:17:31.820 the effect of the Amartian attack has on both the rural and metropolitan aspects of British
00:17:37.280 society. There's a whole section in the middle where it cuts away. This is what happened to my brother.
00:17:40.900 Yeah. Basically. Yeah. Yeah. Um, no, it's really good. And it's all in the first person,
00:17:45.120 which makes it quite immediate as well. Doesn't it makes it slightly more easier to read?
00:17:50.700 Harry was saying the other day that, um, many, many books aren't written in the third person
00:17:56.640 sort of omniscient narrator anymore, because the modern, the modern reader doesn't like that
00:18:01.960 as much. But anyway, uh, one of the worlds is basically in the first person. Um, yeah.
00:18:07.820 Yeah. Which makes it much more immediate. Um, so yeah.
00:18:11.760 Yeah. So then, uh, obviously some things to talk about is that, um, the, the British, uh,
00:18:18.700 men, you know, obviously the military comes in and security to try and figure out what's
00:18:24.440 going on. And the, the cylinder is of course piping hot and all the time you can hear inside
00:18:29.960 it. This is screwing noise as the Martians are starting to figure out how to come out
00:18:36.040 the cylinder. They have to wait for it to cool. And then they start coming out. And the first
00:18:40.820 thing of course, that, uh, any civilized people do is they, they try to communicate with the
00:18:46.640 Martians and check whether or not they're, they're hostile or whether or not they've come
00:18:51.100 in peace. And of course, the Martians are entirely here as a matter of conquest. Uh, which goes
00:18:58.820 back to what we were saying about the, uh, HG Wells making the allegory towards colonialism.
00:19:04.560 And they're the Tasmanians. This isn't about trade. This isn't about trade routes or commerce.
00:19:09.220 This is about soul. Just domination of, of another planet.
00:19:16.220 Well, one thing I'll say before we even get there, there's a big set of fairly long section
00:19:19.980 at the beginning before even the first cylinder land, where he sort of talks about and describes
00:19:24.140 sort of normal life a bit and, uh, where he's just a writer, the, the narrator is a writer,
00:19:30.940 isn't he? Um, well, it's HG Wells, basically, and, um, he sort of describes a little bit sort
00:19:39.020 of the, the mundane life and that, and the astronomers had noticed sort of something going
00:19:45.280 on on Mars and the one or two astronomers that actually sort of keep eyes on Mars at
00:19:49.480 all times had noticed some sort of plumes of smoke and things. And they assume that there's
00:19:54.700 later when they realize there's cylinders or something heading towards them, they assume
00:19:59.240 a giant, some sort of giant gun has been fired. A sort of giant cannon has fired these cylinders
00:20:04.820 at earth. Um, but even though it's sort of mentioned in a tiny, a tiny little corner
00:20:11.080 of the telegraph somewhere or something, no one really, no, the whole world doesn't care
00:20:15.260 about it. Most people don't know about it at all. And he's got his friend Ogilvy, the
00:20:19.500 astronomer and he goes up and he looks through the telescope at Mars one night before they've
00:20:24.860 landed and sees with his own eyes, one of these giant puffs of smoke on the surface of Mars.
00:20:29.820 Um, but yeah, once they land, um, you know, the, the, the, the people of, uh, England sort
00:20:38.040 of just curious and hoping, think they probably won't be, there won't even be any men inside
00:20:43.740 it. It's probably not even hollow. Um, and if there are, when it does appear that there
00:20:50.240 are creatures inside when they finally unscrew it, they don't immediately assume they're going
00:20:54.580 to be hostile, but they just are right. They're just immediately murderous and terrifying. And
00:21:00.960 the description, I mean, HG Wells' descriptions are great. There's a reason why it's what
00:21:04.920 considered one of the all time greatest writers or certainly sci-fi writers and probably my
00:21:09.700 second or third favorite sci-fi writer, uh, after Arthur C. Clarke and Jules Verne. Um,
00:21:14.800 in fact, I put Jules Verne third and HG Wells second, just because of the English thing.
00:21:19.800 Right. Anyway, uh, based. Um, you can't put a Frenchman above HG Wells.
00:21:25.800 Oh no, we can't. Not at loads of seaters, no.
00:21:27.800 And his, but his descriptions, like for example, the first descriptions of the aliens, like the
00:21:31.800 horror of it before they've even done anything particularly evil or murderous. Yeah.
00:21:35.800 He just, the first time he lays eyes on them, there's like all the descriptions of how it
00:21:40.480 makes your skin crawl. And then they're sort of truly alien and weird. And, um, yeah, it
00:21:46.220 paints a good picture for you.
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