PREVIEW： Comics Corner #13 ｜ Crisis on Infinite Earths
Summary
As promised, we're back for Crisis on Infinite Earths! Join us as we re-visit one of DC's most confusing maxi-series to date, and talk about why it's the odd man out of the Crisis Quartet.
Transcript
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Hello, and welcome back to Comics Corner. I'm your host, Connor, joined again by Harry.
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And as promised last time, we are discussing Marv Wolfman and George Perez's Crisis on Infinite Earths,
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as you'll see with the fantastic backdrop behind us, with the looming anti-monitor right in the middle.
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Now, for those who don't know, Crisis on Infinite Earths was the 12-part maxi-series that helped DC celebrate its 50th anniversary,
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and was the means by which, in-universe, they used an annual event to condense all of their multiverse continuity
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down to one single chronological Earth that has cohesiveness and makes a degree of sense.
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One of my questions was, how necessary was that to do that?
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Before Crisis on Infinite Earths, how difficult and confusing was it actually to keep a track of the DC universe
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Or was it basically as complicated as it would be to just keep up with all the different series
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that they would have running afterwards anyway?
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Because, as we covered in our two-part history of comics, which you should watch, by the way,
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remember that this was the same Batman who was fighting vampires and killing people in the 30s,
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then palling around on the Zeranar Earth and fighting robots in the 40s, 50s,
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and then somehow still the same age in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, despite going through two Robins
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Is this not how they explain it with the Earth-1 and Earth-2 Batman?
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The same way that, from what I could tell from reading this, Earth-2 Superman is the
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Superman from the original action comics, and Earth-1 Superman is just the Superman in the
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That's the sort of invention in the 70s when they introduced the All-Star Brigade,
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And then there's still some stuff that Batman will reference in Earth-1 continuity that should
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be Earth-2, and then Earth-2 Batman has Dick Grayson grown up, who's now an adult Robin,
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So what you're telling me is the writers had no clue.
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Was it as complicated as trying to keep up with what's happened since Crisis?
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So this led to Identity Crisis, which feels like it doesn't need the Crisis title.
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It feels, if you're going to have it be a quadrilogy of Crisis titles, Identity Crisis
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Zero hour crisis in time was 1944, because they realized, oh, bugger, we didn't stop time
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But yeah, Identity Crisis is the odd man out, because it's not about some universe-quaking,
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It's a mystery series, which I, once again, you and I, who have made a bit of a habit on
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this, of going, you know this beloved classic story that everybody has fond memories of?
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We turn around and go, you know the one everyone hates?
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But Infinite Crisis, I remember reading when I was a teenager.
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And then I decided to follow up with Final Crisis, and even more confused.
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And at that point, I was just like, I'm not going to bother trying to understand these
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Infinite Crisis only makes sense if you read all the tie-ins, including Day of Vengeance,
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Villains United, and all of this other ancillary stuff.
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I assume as well, if you make sure to have paid minute attention to even the smallest
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panels in Crisis on Infinite Earths, then you make sure to, like, maybe then you'll
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No, because it's kind of infamous for creating the Red Skies crossover, which I referenced
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Which essentially means that when the sky turns red in Crisis on Infinite Earths, that
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happens in all of the DC books, because almost every DC book got its continuity reset.
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Like, some of the writers said the characters would go, oh my god, the sky's turning red.
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Well, yeah, that's my other question, is that this was the big universe reset where they
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take all of the multiverses and condense them down into a single universe with a single
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continuity, but the story takes place in real time, and also the story was released issue
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What the hell was going on with all of the other stories in all of the other comic single
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How do you, like, if you're a writer and all of a sudden you just get it thrown on your
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desk that, by the way, that we're resetting the entire universe next June, and you've got
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plans for long-form stories that are going to carry on, you've been setting things up.
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Leave your book, as Marv Wolfman soon found out, because a lot of writers and artists
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Well, yeah, because that's the thing, is I opened this very nice Eagle Moss collection
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Yes, and one of the first things it says is that Marv Wolfman, oh, he wanted to write
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a story where it brings all of the characters together in one big story, and it doesn't
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mention anything to do with the multiverse reset, restarting the continuity, or anything
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It was originally called the History of the DC Universe, which was then the follow-up
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two-parter series in 1987, which he did as a sequel, he reused the title for it.
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So, and also that he spent like five years researching all of the characters in the DC Universe, so
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he could make sure that everybody is fit into the story properly, and that everybody gets
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And I've got to say, I had some major, this might just be because I read it all in one
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I had some major problems reading through this story, because it is a slog.
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Okay, it does require like multiple read-throughs, I think, and to be steeped in continuity.
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In terms of our reputation for controversial takes, I will say today, finally, after quite
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a few months, we are discussing two books that I actually really like, particularly Legends.
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I'm going to, I'm, we might have buttheads here a little bit, but let's carry on.
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So it's written by Marv Wolfman and co-plotted and penciled by George Perez, RIP.
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Now, the pair began working at DC together because they relaunched Teen Titans with the
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I think that's the correct year, and I should get that right, because I absolutely love that
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And it's of note, because that became the top-selling DC book for multiple years.
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When every other comic was selling like 60,000 to 90,000 copies a month, new Teen Titans
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were selling between 200,000 and 400,000, and actually out-competing Uncanny X-Men, which
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So they were battling Chris Claremont's like top spot on all of the comic selling charts.
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Can you imagine if the comics industry was getting those kinds of numbers today?
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Yeah, well, they could just not be gay race communists and actively insulting their readership.
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Well, just to butt in very, very quickly, to interrupt, on that subject, I was in Manchester
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over the weekend, and I went to, there are two comic book shops in Manchester.
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They're both incredibly gay, but they're comic book shops.
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One's Travelling Man, and one is Forbidden Planet.
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And my God, you will notice when you go in there, the Western comics section in most
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Forbidden Planet there used to have an entire wall that was all of the latest Marvel and
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And then loads of different shelves across the second half of the shop that were covered
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in hard covers, trade paperbacks, and a big wall covered in all of the newest single issues.
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Most of those walls are now covered in Funko Pops.
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There's two or three shelves with some Western comics, and Marvel and DC take up maybe a shelf
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and a half, and the rest is Image and Dark Horse.
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They've got a wall where they've got two shelves that are split pretty finely with DC, Marvel,
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The entire rest of the shop is either models or manga.
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Manga has overtaken it to such a ridiculous degree.
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And I wonder if the gay boys running Travelling Man, it's got pride flags, it's got trans flags,
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If they put all of these up, I wonder if they ever think to themselves, if they ponder
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why it is that all of the manga, which doesn't include any of that rubbish, is outselling
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all of the Western comics, which do include all of that.
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Why aren't we stocking single issues of gay Batman anymore?
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Why aren't we stocking single issues of Superman's gay son anymore?
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Or if it does, it's in a very mute way, because the entire project of pride is to suppress
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the screaming conscience of the person adhering to it by making everyone around them affirm
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And it's really sad as well, because not that modern comics are anything of value, not
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anything since 2018 has been all particularly of note, but after Crisis, a kind of reinvigoration
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of the Golden Age happened with DC, because you had loads of great creators really impassioned
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about the loss, but not forgotten continuity of the characters, came along to revitalize titles
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like George Perez on Wonder Woman, Wolfman and Perez still on Teen Titans, John Byrne on Superman,
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you had Batman Year One created by Frank Miller immediately after Crisis happened, so you
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That's one of my all-time favorite Batman stories, and I can go back to that every time
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Yeah, and that was the spirit of Crisis, which I think, even though there are some spotty moments
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in its storytelling, especially considering it was meant to be 10 issues and they dragged
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It has a bit of a Jason Voorhees of where he just won't stay down.
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But anyway, but point being, there is a funny story about Marv Wolfman as well, so Marv
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Wolfman has had a massive impact on the entire comics industry, because he accidentally
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caused creators to start getting credited for comic books.
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So, it's because of his surname, his very unorthodox surname, right?
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Due to the Comics Code Authority, which we spoke about in the History of Comics series,
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depictions of things like vampires, ghosts, and werewolves were prohibited.
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So, Jerry Conway, who worked at Marvel and DC in January 1970, was writing a story
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for House of Secrets number 83, and he wanted the main character, Abel, so Cain and Abel
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I think it's in Neil Gaiman's Sandman, if I'm correct.
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The narrator, Abel, wanted to say he heard a story from a wandering wolfman, because
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But instead, he put wolfman, spelling it with wolfman's name.
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And so, to get away with it, he thought, I have to credit him for the story on the next
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So, it's written by Marvel wolfman, it's emblazoned on the page.
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And every recreator in that book started going, hang on a minute, if he's getting a credit,
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And so, that became the default norm for most books to start crediting their writers, artists,
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So, in the older issues, would you just not get...
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Because in this, for instance, or Legends, you get the little panel at the bottom of a
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maybe of a splash page that says, written by, inked by, drawn by...
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It was commonly in Marvel, because Stan Lee used to make up fantastic nicknames, like
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Jack the King Kirby came from Stan Lee crediting his artists.
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Especially, think about the older Batman issues, whereas Batman was created by Bob
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I suppose that does explain it, because I have gone back through some old issues of comics
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in the past, and been confused as, wait, who wrote this?
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And I'm glad the creators now do get proper credit.
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And now, in the modern comic era, we know who to blame.
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So, it was announced at the New York Comic Convention in 1981, and as I said, it was
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originally titled The History of the DC Universe, but it became Crisis on Infinite Earths to condense
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the entire and confusing DC multiverse down to one cohesive continuity to give a new jumping
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And it worked, because the John Byrne Man of Steel run, the Frank Miller's Batman run,
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Wonder Woman, all saw the sales tick up, because they were much easier to get rid of.
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And these are all now considered, when people look back on the 80s comic industry, as being
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classics of their time, or at least certainly series that you have to check out.
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Yes, they're the seminal, particular starting points for many of the characters, and they're
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It wasn't the first crisis, though, and this is something that we mentioned before.
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So, there were a few crises, they actually bore that name throughout DC history.
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There was Flash of Two Worlds, so that was Flash 123, first time the multiverse was acknowledged,
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Jay Garrick and Barry Allen meeting, and they were comic book characters in each other's
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Then Justice League of America 21 and 22 was a crisis on Earth 1, which established that
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Earth 2 had the Justice Society and Earth 1 had the Justice League.
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There were annual crossovers between the JSA and the JLA after that, and then there was
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Crisis on Earth Prime, not long before this, which united the Justice League, the Justice
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Society of America, and the All-Star Squadron to fight, I think it was Earth 3's crime syndicate
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So, were the crises not only universe-wide crossovers, but also consistently attempts to streamline
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They were more like annual fun team-ups across one or two titles.
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So you'd have two issues of Justice League, two issues of Justice Society, and you'd read
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It would run for two months, and it would be a once-a-year fun thing.
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It wasn't, let's kill half the DC universe at once, which, ambitious, I'll certainly give
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And then DC Comics Presents 78, which Wolfman wrote, was a lead straight into Crisis on
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He also wrote DC Comics Presents Annual 1, sorry, I think he only wrote the annual, which
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was Crisis on 3 Earths, which had all of the Supermen teaming up, as they do here, because
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you've now got Earth 2 Superman, Earth 1 Superman, and Alexander Luther Jr. from Earth 3.
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So, you've got a lot of characters to juggle with the same names as well, which makes this
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I do think the art helps differentiate it, the way that Earth 2 Superman, just having
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him be a little bit bulkier, with the white strips of hair around his ears, helps to differentiate.
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So George Perez did a good job in visually differentiating the characters.
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Wolfman and Perez were experts at team books, and so he could create a very crowded scene
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or splash page with 50 heroes there, and you could easily pick out which one is which.
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And you could probably name them all if you had sufficient level of continuity knowledge.
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You have the encyclopedic knowledge that Wolfman, apparently according to this intro, made sure
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Now, leading up to this as well, he'd created the character of the Monitor, who's the central
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power broker on the side of the heroes, but through the last few years of DC, he was financing
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all of the villains, so it got quite confusing.
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And he first conceived the Monitor, Wolfman said when he'd written this, about 18 years ago,
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and he called him the Librarian, because he didn't have a very good sense of names.
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He said, and he wanted someone to finance all the villains, but then it's revealed, per
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a conversation between Monitor and Harbinger in the comic, that he was doing so to test
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which heroes and which villains were optimum to put together as a team to defeat his counterpart,
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the Anti-Monitor, when he knew inevitably he would return and try and destroy the multiverse.
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But Monitor had shown up in things like New Teen Titans 21, which is his first debut, which
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They roped him into a few Green Lantern issues, 173 through 178, and then Batman the Outsiders,
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14 and 15, where behind the scenes he's pulling the strings and making life difficult for the
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But it's some sort of crucible to ensure that the people he has on side are adequate to
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And the deaths this produces, among them, there's quite a few, but some of the notable ones
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are, of course, the Anti-Monitor, destroyed by Earth 2 Superman, but then resurrected in
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Blackest Night, and also Sinestro Core War by Green Lantern.
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This is the guy you want to bring back to life.
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I'm sure it makes sense in the story, question mark.
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Basically, because the Anti-Monitor controls the Anti-Matter universe, in order to get Yellow
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Lantern rings, Sinestro needed the Thunderers who work for the Anti-Monitor.
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So he resurrected the Anti-Monitor to command their loyalty and folded him into the Sinestro
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But then he gets killed again, but then Necron of the Black Lanterns brings him back and
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uses his body as a Black Lantern power battery.
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Geoff Johns Green Lantern is a good run, though.
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So Dove, Dawn Hall dies, is replaced by Dawn, who's the female Hall eventually.
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Matt Hagen's Clayface dies, which makes it really confusing for Batman continuity.
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One thing that I did pick up, there's about four or five pages dedicated to, and then it's
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dropped, is that Wildcat becomes paralyzed from the waist down, and then Latoya Montez,
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Becomes Wildcat instead, and an issue ends on that, like it's some big reveal, like it's
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And then she shows up in maybe two or three more panels in the rest of the story.
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Yeah, she gets killed off in 1994 in an obscure book, because if you've played the Telltale
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games, you know when you make the wrong decision in the top right-hand corner of the screen
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That was basically the attitude to crippling Ted Grant and then replacing him with Yolanda,
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because nobody cared for that legacy character.
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One legacy character people didn't like is actually Wally West, because he takes over
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In this, you see him disintegrate into a skeleton, and he loses his costume.
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And then in Final Crisis, Barry pops out the Speed Force, fully clothed, like, Wally, take
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Wolfman said you were dead in an interview he did last year.
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And then Huntress, the crime syndicate, Julia, Alfred's daughter disappears, Soul of R, Super
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All of these people get eliminated by Christ on Infinite.
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And that's, you can kind of see the necessity to condense it down a little bit.
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Also, Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Captain Atom, and a bunch of other characters
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were rewritten and reincorporated into the DC Universe, with Wonder Woman now showing up
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Contentious decision to do so, but there you go.
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Also, I've got to say, I was under the impression, I read this when I was a teenager, so I'd forgotten
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most of the story of it and how it led into the rest of the DC Universe continuity-wise
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I was given the impression, certainly by Grant Morrison's Animal Man run, which we covered
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last time, and from my own impressions of the other series that we'd looked at that
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related to post-Crisis DC, that all of the characters, except for Psycho Pirate, didn't
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But at the end of this, it seems that the characters who were involved at the Dawn of
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Time incident, where they go to confront the Anti-Monitor at the Dawn of Time, everybody,
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and there was quite a few, probably about a hundred, if not slightly more, heroes who went
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to confront him, all of them have memories of the pre-Crisis multiversal continuity, which
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is why Earth-2 Superman and Earth-1 Superman can meet up and discuss how they remember it,
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and Jay Garrick, they can go to visit him, and he remembers it, but his wife doesn't remember
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But I was under the impression that all of their memories were reset, except for Psycho Pirate.
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So is that just a part of this plot that was kind of discarded?
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Because at the beginning of Legends, Wally West references the events of Crisis.
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Basically, he had intended for all of the heroes from the Dawn of Time to remember the continuity
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from before, so they could retain some of their friendships and relationships.
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But then in some of the reboots that is forgotten, for example, Batman and Superman get reintroduced,
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and for the next few years of continuity, they act like they've only just met, rather than
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But that was more of a fault of the people following up this series.
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Animal Man was not part of the heroes that were at the Dawn of Time, I believe.
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So that's why the contradictions start breaking his continuity, and that's why Grant Morrison
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wanted to play with that, because he's part of a group of heroes, along with Dolphin and
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Adam Strange, who encountered Brainiac later on, and helped involve Darkseid in this.
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So I think he was outside of that hero, but they didn't get invited to the party.
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None of the villains remember, except for Psycho Pirate, and none of the civilians who are on
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the new Earth, remember, aside from Psycho Pirate.
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Sometimes the spouses of superheroes will reference the crisis, as if they know of it
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firsthand, but not that they were told of it secondhand.
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So because characters get chopped and changed between writers and editorial teams, these
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Essentially, it was intended to be a consistent streamlining.
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Didn't always pan out that way, because creatives do cock up pretty often.
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The other interesting thing that this does as well, folds all the Charlton characters into
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the mainline DC universe, much to the shit-eating grin of Alan Moore, who was about to use them
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And that's why when all the Charlton characters come along, you see, for example, the Question
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That looks exactly like Night Owl and Rorschach.
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It's because they were going to be used together.
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And Alan Moore was like, well, thank you for scuppering all those plans.
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I guess I've got to be creative for once and invent brand new characters to then immediately
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Also, the reason that we're covering it, it's not just because I enjoy these, is because
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for once I thought I'd do a wholesome series of comics.
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And there's an underlying late-stage Cold War conservatism and a very strong strain of
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Christianity and existentialism in both of these, particularly legends.
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As you said, this story is situated in a specific place and time.
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It says explicitly, I think it's the first couple of pages, that it takes place in July
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Now, for continuity nerds like me, that's great.
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Because that means you can date almost exactly when Batman became Batman, when Superman became
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So, by my count, Frank Miller's Year One and John Burns' The Man of Steel retroactively now
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And I say this because Dick Grayson becomes Robin in about year three or four of Batman's
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And Dick Grayson from Earth 2 in this visits, I believe it's a grave, and then he realizes
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that Nightwing in this universe, he goes by Nightwing, Dick Grayson, is 19.
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So, that's got to be a six-year gap at least that Robin was Robin until he led up to Nightwing.
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So, there's got to be six years deducted from 1984, 1985.
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So, that means that 1975 is the start point when Batman and Superman arrive on scene for
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And I know that's really petty, but I really like that.
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So, it opens with Pariah, who's a guy who accidentally believes that he engineered the collapse of
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his own world by experimenting with antimatter because he was a great scientist.
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And then he was trying to look into the multiverse, and he thinks he unleashed the antimatter.
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He's been damned to be the kind of herald of the Antimonitor's arrival, similar to like
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And he shows up as Earth 3 has been destroyed by a big white wave of light, the antimatter
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He's been put in this role by the Monitor as a means of recompense for his scientific
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And he sees that the crime syndicate are being killed, and that they're infighting, and that
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Alexander Luther Sr. and his wife, Lois Lane, send their son, Alexander Luther,
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off to Earth 1 so that he can survive and herald a warning to the heroes there so they can
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Very reminiscent of the original Superman story of Lara and Jor-El sending their son
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off from Krypton to Earth as Krypton's about to explode.
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So, the Monitor sends out Lila, who's a woman that he rescued when she was an orphan at sea.
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Yeah, she was in some kind of shipwreck, she was holding onto a piece of driftwood, and
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He turns her into Harbinger, and he has her go around and collect the various heroes that
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he's been training up by financing their villains and putting them through a crucible, and even
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I think he uses Psycho Pirate to convince Killer Frost to stop fighting Firestorm and actually
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And in typical Wolfman and Perez fashion, as per New Teen Titans, there's a lot of innuendo
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Yeah, well, that was something I was wondering about.
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Well, one, it's not just Psycho Pirate, it's also Simon.
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Yes, but Psycho Pirate is only recruited after it's shown that Harbinger has been possessed
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by either the Anti-Monitor or one of the Shadows, the Thunderers, of the Anti-Monitor.
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And then, obviously, Psycho Pirate is kidnapped by the Anti-Monitor and brought on side so that
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So, later on in the story, you get the crowds of people trying to run into the Anti-Matter
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waves so that they will just erase themselves out of existence.
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So, I thought, because she was already on her way to get, what's it, an Aryan?
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And then she turns around to go get Psycho Pirate.
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So, I was wondering, was it that the Anti-Monitor was actually the one after Psycho Pirate and
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Monitor just went along with it because it kind of folded into his plans anyway?
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The Monitor allows Anti-Monitor to do quite a few things because the Anti-Monitor says explicitly
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He could have gotten a few other people who can manipulate emotions, but it seems that
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Psycho Pirate being, one, vulnerable because he was in prison, which made him easy to recruit,
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and two, just a weak and pathetic, easily manipulated person seemed to be the best one for the job.
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Yeah, and I think he would have allowed a little bit of leeway with risk regarding that because
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he knew that he was going to be killed anyway because his essence had to power the tuning
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Very loose cosmology going on here, but I think your reading of that is right.
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Yeah, let's not try and take any of the science mumbo-jumbo talk in these kinds of series seriously.
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You've just got to understand that there is an internal logic to it.
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So combining with the protons to create anti-matter, what's going on?
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