The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - January 17, 2025


PREVIEW: Epochs #194 | Pompey & Caesar: Part XIX


Episode Stats

Length

22 minutes

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191.89539

Word Count

4,314

Sentence Count

210

Hate Speech Sentences

13


Summary

After the defeat at the Battle of Pharsalus, the Roman general, Pompey the Great, was left speechless. He looked beside himself, and half crazed, and seemed utterly to have forgotten that he was even a Roman general.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to this episode of Epochs, where I shall be continuing and starting to finish,
00:00:04.940 perhaps not this episode, but starting to finish my narrative of the decline and fall of the Roman
00:00:09.740 Republic. Now, if you remember last time, we left off just where Pompey had lost the Battle of
00:00:16.900 Pharsalus. So let's pick up the narrative right there. Plutarch writes this in his Life of Pompey,
00:00:22.540 quote, with his infantry routed in this way, Pompey now could conjecture from the cloud of
00:00:27.840 dust, which he saw what had happened to his cavalry. If you remember, his massive advantage in
00:00:34.080 cavalry had been negated by a special little trick Caesar had pulled and it effectively lost him the
00:00:40.100 battle, lost Pompey the battle. What thoughts passed through his mind, it would be hard to say. He looked
00:00:46.120 beside himself and half crazed and seemed utterly to have forgotten that he was Pompey the Great.
00:00:52.280 Slowly and without saying a word to anyone, he walked off towards his camp, as in Homer's
00:00:57.400 description of Ajax. That is the giant warrior Ajax at the siege of Troy. Plutarch gives us a quote
00:01:04.180 about Ajax from Homer, saying, But Zeus the father, enthroned on higher, in Ajax, stirred up fear. He
00:01:11.560 slung behind his back the shield of seven ox-hide strong, and stood amazed and trembled as he peered
00:01:17.680 among the throng. So just basically a great warrior who has been beaten and brought low. Plutarch goes on,
00:01:23.080 so Pompey went to his tent and sat down there speechless. Finally, a number of victorious
00:01:28.520 troops, Caesar's troops, burst into the camp on the heels of the fugitives. And then Pompey said simply,
00:01:35.280 What? Into the camp too? And without another word, got up, put on clothes suitable to the state of his
00:01:41.860 fortunes, i.e. not the military dress of a senator or an imperator, just normal clothes, basically,
00:01:48.500 a disguise, and made his escape. The rest of his legions also fled, and in the camp itself there
00:01:54.060 was a great slaughter of the servants and the men who were guarding the tents. Only 6,000 soldiers fell,
00:02:00.280 according to Asinius Polio, who fought in the battle on Caesar's side. When Caesar's troops captured the
00:02:06.080 camp, they could see before their eyes evidence of the vanity and folly of the enemy. Remember, these are
00:02:11.320 the richest men in Rome, some of the richest men in the world. They were living in complete opulence.
00:02:16.140 It's like billionaires, essentially. So Caesar's men were surprised to see what opulence they were
00:02:23.580 travelling in. Every tent was wreathed with boughs of myrtle and contained carefully laid out dinner
00:02:30.600 couches, covered with flowers and tables with drinking vessels all set out. Remember, they'd already
00:02:37.060 arranged a great banquet for when they won the battle, obviously not expecting to lose. Bowls of wine
00:02:42.760 men there were to hand, and everything was beautifully arranged, as though for some great feasting
00:02:47.500 following a sacrifice. There was no impression at all of men arming themselves for battle. Such had
00:02:53.380 been the extent of their deluded hopes, and such the measure of their senseless confidence when they
00:02:58.940 had gone out to war. As for Pompey, when he got a little distance from the camp, he gave his horse
00:03:04.480 the rain, i.e. ran away at full speed. No one was pursuing him, and so, with only of every few
00:03:10.600 companions, he went quietly away. It was easy to imagine what was in his mind. A man who for 34 years
00:03:17.800 had grown accustomed to victory and to supremacy in everything, and who now, in his old age, was
00:03:24.400 learning for the first time what defeat and flight meant. He thought, no doubt, of how in one hour he had
00:03:31.320 lost the glory and the power which he had won in so many wars and battles. A little while ago,
00:03:36.960 legions of infantry and squadrons of cavalry had been there to protect him, and now, shrunk to so
00:03:42.560 small a state, so insignificantly attended, he was trying to escape the notice of his enemies who
00:03:48.860 were in pursuit of him. So, a giant fall from grace for Pompey Magnus. Plutarch goes on. He went past
00:03:54.820 Larissa, a place called Larissa, and came to the Vale of Tempe. Here, since he was thirsty, he threw
00:04:02.340 himself down on his face and drank out of the river. Then he rose up again and went on through Tempe
00:04:07.900 until he came down to the sea. The rest of the night he spent in a fisherman's hut. At dawn, he went
00:04:13.840 aboard one of the riverboats. He took with him only those of his followers who were free men. His slaves
00:04:19.420 he dismissed, telling them to go back to Caesar and not to be afraid. He then went along the coast
00:04:24.560 until he saw a good-sized merchant ship, which was just about to put to sea. The captain of this ship
00:04:30.140 was a Roman citizen, Petichius by name, who knew Pompey by sight, though he was not well acquainted
00:04:35.700 with him. It just so happened that on the previous night, Petichius had had a dream in which Pompey was
00:04:41.800 speaking to him, looking downcast and wretched and not at all like Pompey, whom he had so often seen.
00:04:47.760 People are apt to make much of such dreams, especially if they have time on their hands.
00:04:53.380 And so Petichius was just telling his shipmates of his dream, when suddenly one of the sailors
00:04:58.540 told him that he could see a riverboat being rowed out from the shore and that there were men in it
00:05:03.700 who were waving their cloaks and holding out their hands towards them. Petichius looked in that
00:05:08.640 direction and immediately recognised Pompey, just as he had seen him in his dream. He smote himself on
00:05:14.800 his head, ordered the sailors to bring the little boat alongside and stretched out his hand, called to
00:05:19.860 Pompey by name. He could already tell from his altered appearance how his fortunes also had changed
00:05:25.700 and without waiting for any words of entreaty, he took him on board with all those whom he wished to
00:05:31.360 have with him and set sail. With Pompey were the two Lentuli and Favonius. Shortly afterwards, they saw
00:05:38.020 the king Deotarius trying to get out to them from the shore and they took him on board too. When it
00:05:43.480 was time for supper and the ship's captain had made what preparations he could for their entertainment,
00:05:48.500 Favonius, seeing that Pompey, having no servants to attend him, was beginning to take off his own
00:05:53.540 shoes, ran up to him, took off his shoes for him and helped him to anoint himself. And from that time
00:06:00.240 on, he continued to wait on him and to do for him all the things that servants do, even down to
00:06:05.460 washing his feet and preparing his meals. Indeed, anyone who saw this generous service, so simple
00:06:10.680 and unaffected, might well have quoted the line, how every action of a noble mind is fair. And so,
00:06:17.060 after going along the coast to Amphipolis, Pompey crossed over from there to Mytilene, wishing to
00:06:22.540 take Cornelia and his son on board. Cornelia, his new-ish wife. When he reached the shore of the island,
00:06:28.620 he sent a messenger to the city. Not at all the sort of messenger which Cornelia was expecting,
00:06:33.800 after all the glad tidings and letters which she had received. For she was hoping that the war had
00:06:39.300 ended at Dyrrhachium, and that now there was nothing left for Pompey to do except to pursue
00:06:44.320 Caesar. So it's going to come as a shock to poor old Cornelia, the fairly recent widow of Crassus's
00:06:49.980 son, who was killed in the east by the Parthians not too long ago. So she's got a fairly unlucky star,
00:06:55.140 hasn't she? The messenger found her still in this mood and could not bring himself to speak his words
00:07:01.080 of salutation. The messenger was so choked up by Pompey's defeat that he could barely get the
00:07:06.500 words out. It was by tears rather than by words that he made her see the extent of her calamity,
00:07:12.640 and he merely told her to make haste if she wanted to see Pompey, who had come with one ship, and that
00:07:18.140 ship not even his own. On hearing this, Cornelia flung herself down on the ground and lay there for a
00:07:23.860 long time, speechless and unconscious. She swooned, basically. Finally, and with much difficulty,
00:07:29.980 she recovered consciousness, and, realising that this was no occasion for tears and lamentations,
00:07:35.960 ran through the city to the sea. Here Pompey met her and caught her in his arms as she tottered
00:07:41.140 and was about to fall. Oh my husband, she said, it is because of my fortune, not yours, that I see you
00:07:47.220 are now reduced to one small ship, who you, before your marriage with Cornelia, had five hundred ships,
00:07:52.900 she's referring to herself in the third person there, had five hundred ships with you when you sailed
00:07:57.460 this sea. Why have you come to see me? Why did you not leave to her cruel fate the wife who has
00:08:02.600 brought on you too such terrible misfortune? She thinks that she's just got bad fortune, bad luck,
00:08:07.880 and it follows her around, and now some of it's rubbed off on Pompey. What a happy woman I should
00:08:11.840 have been if I had died before hearing that Publius, whom I married as a maiden, that was the
00:08:17.200 Publius crisis I mentioned, had been killed in Parthia, and how wise if, even after his death,
00:08:22.100 I had done what I meant to do, and put an end to my own life. But I was spared, it seems,
00:08:26.880 to do still more harm, and be the ruin of Pompey the Great." End quote. So, she's taking it quite
00:08:33.080 hard. She's blaming herself, somehow. I kind of feel sorry. It's difficult not to feel sorry
00:08:38.260 for this Cornelia. Plutarch continues. Pompey, we are told, replied to these words of Cornelia as
00:08:44.360 follows. It is true, Cornelia, that you have only known one side of my fortune, and that the better
00:08:49.940 side. It has remained with me longer than is usual, and perhaps this fact has deceived you
00:08:54.940 as well as me. But we are mortals. We must bear what has happened, and again put fortune to the
00:09:00.380 test. One may still hope that, just as I have fallen so low from such a height, so from these
00:09:05.260 depths I may rise again. I mean, it's not unheard of for someone to reverse their fortunes from
00:09:09.680 a defeat like this. If you remember, Marius was on the run for a long time, and was able to reverse
00:09:15.640 his fortunes. There are lots and lots of examples throughout history where someone is in far
00:09:19.600 worse straight than Pompey is at this moment, and he's able to turn things around and get back to
00:09:24.880 the tippy top of political power. So it's not completely inconceivable, but Plutarch continues
00:09:30.260 here saying, so his wife sent for her belongings and her servants from the city. The people of Mytilene
00:09:35.600 welcomed Pompey and invited him to enter the city walls, but Pompey refused to do so. He told them
00:09:41.460 that they too must submit to the conqueror and advise them not to be afraid, since Caesar was a good
00:09:46.900 man, and would act humanely towards them. He himself then turned to the philosopher Cratipus,
00:09:52.800 who had come down from the city to see him, and had a short discussion with him, in which he made
00:09:57.220 some criticisms of the idea of providence. Cratipus made no very strenuous objections to Pompey's
00:10:03.480 arguments, and tried to lead him to better hopes. He had no wish to cause pain by arguing against him
00:10:09.020 at such a time. Actually, to the questions raised by Pompey about providence, Cratipus might have answered
00:10:14.340 that it was because the state had been so badly administered that it now required to be governed
00:10:18.900 by one man, and he might well have asked Pompey, how can we be convinced Pompey, and what evidence
00:10:23.840 have you to offer that, if you had been the winner, you would have made a better use of your fortune
00:10:28.000 than Caesar? But I must not be, this is Plutarch actually allowing himself to speak here, but I must
00:10:34.660 not be led into a digression on this question of the divine ordering of events. Plutarch self-martialing
00:10:40.060 there, making sure he stays within his lane, but he goes on. After taking on board his wife and his
00:10:45.540 friends, Pompey set sail, not putting into any harbours, except when he was compelled to do so,
00:10:51.680 to take in food or water. The first city that he entered was Atalea in Pamphylia, and here some
00:10:57.500 triremes came to him from Sicilia. Some troops were got together, and he once again had senators around
00:11:04.200 him, about 60 of them. He heard too that his navy was still intact, and that Cato had taken many
00:11:09.520 soldiers on board, and was crossing over to Africa with them. So there's hope, it's not all over.
00:11:13.940 Caesar hasn't annihilated the entire Pompeian faction. I mean, not even close. So there is
00:11:18.940 reason to hope, nothing is over at this point. At this news, he showed his distress to his friends,
00:11:23.440 and blamed himself for having allowed himself to be forced to fight with his land forces,
00:11:27.580 without making any use of his fleet, an arm in which he had an unquestioned superiority,
00:11:32.200 and had not even kept his fleet close enough to him, so that if defeated by land,
00:11:36.560 he could have reinforced himself by sea, and so would again have been almost at once
00:11:41.100 at the head of forces, powerful enough to meet the enemy on even terms. I mean, hindsight's a
00:11:46.520 beautiful thing, isn't it? He realised he missed a trick there. And indeed, it is perfectly true
00:11:51.360 that Pompey's greatest mistake, and Caesar's cleverest move, was in having this battle fought
00:11:56.340 so far away from naval reinforcements. However, Pompey had now to plan and act on the basis
00:12:02.300 of existing circumstances. He sent messengers to the various cities, and sailed to some of them
00:12:07.740 himself, asking for money and for men to serve in his ships. But he knew the speed and energy
00:12:13.180 with which his enemy was likely to act, and he was afraid that Caesar might come upon him
00:12:18.280 and surprise him before his preparations had been made. And so he looked about for some safe place
00:12:23.660 to which he could retire temporarily. He discussed this question with his followers,
00:12:28.040 and it was agreed that no Roman province could afford them a safe refuge. As for foreign kingdoms,
00:12:33.520 Pompey himself said that he considered that Parthia was the one most capable of both receiving and
00:12:38.860 protecting them in their present weakness, and later of helping them to build up their strength,
00:12:43.360 and sending them out to fight again with a large force. Others who took part in the discussion
00:12:47.900 suggested going to Africa and to King Juba. But Theophanes, the lesbian, i.e. he was from the
00:12:53.620 Isle of Lesbos, not that he was a woman and homosexual. Theophanes, the lesbian, pointed out
00:12:59.160 that Egypt was only three days' sail away, and there was Ptolemy, who was a mere boy and very much
00:13:04.660 indebted to Pompey for the friendship and kindness done by him to his father. In Theophanes' view,
00:13:10.480 it would be sheer madness for Pompey to decide against Egypt, and to put himself into the power
00:13:15.280 of the Parthians, who were the most treacherous people alive, to refuse to take the second place
00:13:20.000 under a Roman, who had been a relation of his by marriage, and second after Caesar, who would still
00:13:24.620 be first among all the rest, to refuse even to see whether Caesar would behave moderately or not,
00:13:29.720 and yet to be willing to place himself at the mercy of Arsakes, which even Crassus would not do
00:13:35.280 while he lived. Finally, to bring a young wife of the family of the Scipios among a nation of
00:13:40.260 barbarians who measure power by the ability to commit outrage and to forget decency, even if she
00:13:46.160 suffered no indignity there, but was only thought to have suffered it, her fate would still be cruel
00:13:50.680 enough, since she would certainly be in the power of those who could harm her if they wished. This
00:13:55.440 argument, they say, and this alone persuaded Pompey not to make the journey to the Euphrates,
00:14:00.420 if indeed, i.e. deep into Parthian territory, if indeed one may say that it was any calculation of
00:14:05.860 Pompey's own, rather than some supernatural power which was guiding him on the journey on which he now
00:14:11.520 went, end quote. I mean, it's a fairly sound argument, isn't it? It's hard to disagree with
00:14:17.140 it. If the two main options, of course Pompey, because he's got control of the sea, could have
00:14:21.540 gone sort of almost anywhere, but if the two main options, in his mind at least, if he's going to
00:14:26.460 head east, it's either Egypt or Parthia. It's kind of a no-brainer, don't pick Parthia. The Romans
00:14:31.960 and the Parthians are fairly bitter enemies. The Parthians have shown themselves in recent times,
00:14:36.580 within just a few years ago, to be completely treacherous. The way they dealt with Crassus,
00:14:41.740 if you remember, just saying or doing anything they need to, lying to him in order to get him
00:14:47.200 into their power, so that they can then just, in the end, kill him. So yeah, don't trust the
00:14:51.840 Parthians. Why would you run to Parthia? Don't do that. Whereas Egypt, well, Egypt's got a friendly
00:14:56.440 king, the boy king Ptolemy. Surely there you would have thought he could find safe haven, and at this
00:15:02.240 stage in history still. Egypt is extremely rich and prosperous, and you would have thought Pompey
00:15:07.000 could raise a fortune and or an army there, if Pompey is going to head east from Greece. It seems
00:15:13.700 like the obvious choice really is to go to Egypt. Let's let Appian tell us his account of what
00:15:19.980 happened after the Battle of Pharsalus. So Appian says this, quote,
00:15:23.400 When Pompey saw the rout, he became deranged. He withdrew on foot to his camp, and when he reached
00:15:28.860 his tent, sat there without uttering a word, as they say happened to Telamonian Ajax at the siege
00:15:35.040 of Troy. It's interesting to note, isn't it, how historians always copy each other. You can see the
00:15:41.240 parallels between Appian and Plutarch's accounts. Historians still do it to this day. You'll find
00:15:48.040 one particularly famous history of, say, World War II, like Hugh Trevor Roper or something, or something
00:15:54.720 by AJP Taylor about World War I, or whatever it is. And then many historians later, they're sort of
00:16:01.080 copying, they're sort of paraphrasing another historian. Of course, the problem with that,
00:16:06.100 they're not really doing completely original research. And well, it's interesting to note,
00:16:10.560 isn't it, that this was done even in the ancient world. So both Plutarch and Appian decide to reference
00:16:17.360 Ajax at that moment. Ajax at the siege of Troy, the victim of heaven-sent madness in the midst of his
00:16:23.640 enemies. As for the rest of his men, Pompey's men, very few entered the camp because Caesar's
00:16:28.740 proclamation caused them to halt without fear. If you remember, Caesar had told Pompey's men on the
00:16:34.340 battlefield, stand still, stay where you are, we won't kill you if you just stop. Stay where you are,
00:16:40.580 we're going to butcher all the allies, all the foreign people you've got with you, your auxiliaries and
00:16:45.340 things. But if you're a Roman, full Roman legionary, just stop where you are, freeze, and we'll let you
00:16:50.500 live. So they've done that. And when their enemies had run past, they scattered group by group. As the
00:16:56.660 day was nearing its end, Caesar ran frantically among his troops, begging them to make a further
00:17:01.980 effort and take Pompey's fortifications too, and pointing out to them that in the event of an enemy
00:17:07.660 recovery, they would be the victors of a single day. But if they took the enemy's camp, they would
00:17:12.480 have settled the campaign by this one exploit. Accordingly, he stretched his hands out in
00:17:17.540 entreaty to them, and was the first to lead the charge. For their part, their limbs were tired,
00:17:22.480 but their spirits were lifted by rational calculation, and by their general's example.
00:17:27.140 Again, Caesar in the forefront. Great stuff. Like Alexander. Prepared to risk his own life. Quite a
00:17:33.140 lot. Remarkable stuff. They were also buoyed up by their success so far, and by the hope that they
00:17:38.020 would take the defences of the camp, and capture its considerable contents. And when men are hopeful,
00:17:43.760 or favoured by good fortune, they pay little heed to weariness. So they attacked the camp too,
00:17:48.920 and set about the task with great contempt for the defenders. When Pompey was informed,
00:17:53.580 he only broke his strange silence to exclaim, So they're at our camp as well? And with these words,
00:17:59.160 he changed his clothing, took horse with four companions, and rode without stopping until he
00:18:03.620 reached Larissa at first light. Caesar, as he had threatened when exhorting his army,
00:18:09.140 spent the whole night within Pompey's fortifications. He himself dined on Pompey's food,
00:18:14.400 and his whole army on that of Pompey's men. So the great feast that Pompey's side had arranged for
00:18:20.560 their victory that evening. Caesar and his men got to dine on that, and they got to spend the night in
00:18:25.840 those really sumptuous tents. Those billionaires' tents. Probably a real treat for them, or certainly was a
00:18:32.160 real treat for them. Both because they'd spent 10 years in more or less hardship, fighting in Gaul.
00:18:38.240 But also, in the last few days and weeks, particularly had been difficult, hard on Caesar's men.
00:18:45.800 After Dyrrachium, they were beginning to get starved out. So a real, well-deserved treat for them.
00:18:52.100 Appian goes on.
00:18:52.940 The number of dead on either side, at least of Italians, for no enumeration at all,
00:18:57.720 was made of the Allies, on account of their number and the low regard in which they were held,
00:19:02.660 was 30 centurions and 200, or according to others, 1,200, legionaries from Caesar's army,
00:19:10.120 and 10 senators, including Lucius Domitius, who had been appointed Caesar's successor in Gaul,
00:19:15.700 and about 40 distinguished members of the equestrian order from Pompey's. As for the rest of his army,
00:19:20.920 some inflate the casualties and put them at 25,000. But Asinius Polio, who was one of Caesar's
00:19:27.020 subordinate officers in the battle, records about 6,000 Pompeian dead were found. So they're saying
00:19:33.120 between Caesar lost between 200 and 1,200, and Pompey lost something between 6,000 and 25,000.
00:19:42.640 We shall never know the actual numbers. Appian goes on.
00:19:46.220 This was the result of the famous Battle of Pharsalus. Caesar himself carried off from all
00:19:51.400 the palm for bravery, in both 1st and 2nd place, as everyone agrees, and alongside him, the 10th
00:19:57.600 legion. In 3rd place came Cressinius, a centurion. As Caesar was leaving camp for the battle, he asked
00:20:03.540 Cressinius what he thought would happen, and in a loud voice, Cressinius made the memorable reply,
00:20:09.160 We shall win, Caesar, and whether I live or die, I shall earn your approval today. The army testified
00:20:14.100 that he had switched from rank to rank like a man possessed, and that his exploits were many
00:20:18.740 and distinguished. When a search was made for him, and he was found among the dead, Caesar
00:20:23.000 adorned his body with the decorations of valour, buried him with them, and made a special tomb
00:20:28.240 for him near the mass grave. If you remember last time I mentioned that one particular centurion,
00:20:33.900 who was hell-bent on distinguishing himself in battle, and got killed. So Caesar, now, after the
00:20:38.480 battle, is honouring him. Appian goes on.
00:20:40.560 Never slackening his pace, Pompey made haste from Larissa to the sea, where, after getting
00:20:45.240 into a small boat, he chanced to meet a ship that was sailing past, which took him to Mytilene.
00:20:50.420 Here he picked up his wife Cornelia, and embarked on four triremes, which had been sent him by
00:20:55.460 the people of Tyre and Rhodes. He ignored Corsaira once again, and Africa, where he had an intact
00:21:01.120 fleet and another large army, and set off eastwards to the Parthian king, in the belief that through
00:21:06.400 him, he would win everything back. Although he kept his intentions secret, until he reluctantly
00:21:11.220 admitted, until he reluctantly admitted them to his companions, when they were in Sicilian
00:21:16.560 waters, when they were in Cilician waters. They told him to beware of the Parthian, who had
00:21:21.660 recently been the target of Crassus' designs, and was still furious after this business, and warned
00:21:27.080 him against taking his beautiful wife Cornelia among foreigners, who lacked self-control, especially
00:21:32.680 as she had been married to Crassus. That is, Crassus' son, not THE Crassus.
00:21:37.500 When he proposed, as second choices, Egypt or Juba, Juba being shorthand for North Africa,
00:21:43.060 they rejected Juba as unworthy, and agreed with him on Egypt, because it was close, and a great
00:21:48.440 kingdom, and was still prosperous, and strong in ships, and food, and money, and its rulers,
00:21:53.540 even if they were still children, were friends of Pompey through their father.
00:21:56.860 So, mentioned there, that Egypt had rulers, plural. So there is the boy King Ptolemy, but
00:22:03.340 he has a co-regent, his sister, Cleopatra, the great famous Cleopatra. Dan Carlin describes
00:22:09.900 her as possibly the most famous woman of the ancient world. So, she makes her debut in our
00:22:14.840 story now.
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