The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - March 15, 2026


PREVIEW: Epochs #254 | Henry VI - Part 3


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In Epochs we continue the story of the Wars of the Roses, starting with King Henry VI and the fall of the Lancastrian dynasty, and the rise of the Yorkist faction. We also hear from Professor Sir Charles Oman and Winston Churchill.

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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome back to Epochs where I shall be continuing the story of the Wars of the Roses
00:00:24.900 Beginning with basically Henry VI
00:00:27.640 So if you remember last time
00:00:29.540 We left off talking all about that sort of stuff
00:00:32.000 Let's just carry on straight away
00:00:33.460 If you remember last time
00:00:34.460 We'd got to the point roughly
00:00:36.060 Where there'd been some blood drawn on both sides
00:00:39.900 The Lancastrian side
00:00:41.740 With King Henry VI
00:00:43.560 Who's infirmed and feeble-minded 1.00
00:00:45.580 And his wife Margaret of Anjou
00:00:48.000 And the various people around him, Suffolk
00:00:50.140 They'd got rid of the Duke of Gloucester
00:00:52.140 The King's uncle
00:00:53.760 Henry V's younger brother, they'd humiliated his wife and then they'd arrested him and then he died
00:00:58.800 very shortly after being arrested. That was sort of first blood, sort of, it goes back before that
00:01:03.840 of course but let's say that sort of first blood. Then they struck back, Suffolk himself was a
00:01:09.600 disgrace to the people who didn't like him and in the end the king, he was going to be executed,
00:01:13.920 a bit of a tinder from parliament but the king just exiled him and then while he was going to
00:01:18.400 exile literally while he was on the ship crossing the channel into exile he was captured by another
00:01:24.300 ship another royal navy ship and executed so he's gone right and then you remember we talked a bit
00:01:29.080 about the rebellion of jack cade just some random normal soldier dude who tried to rise up against
00:01:35.380 the lancastrians and then that's where we were that's sort of basically where we got to and let's
00:01:40.140 professor charles oman talk all about the different sides you know laying out basically who was in the
00:01:45.560 Yorkist camp and who's in the Lancastrian camp and all that sort of thing I'll continue reading
00:01:49.820 from Professor Sir Charles Oman an early 20th century Oxford professor of history one of the
00:01:55.380 very best to ever do it as well as Winston Churchill in his history of the English-speaking
00:01:58.900 peoples I'll just give you a quick super quick recap about Jack Cade what Churchill says about
00:02:03.440 Jack Cade it's literally one short paragraph so I'll read that and then we'll continue the story
00:02:07.700 on from there with completely new and fresh things okay Churchill says in June and July a
00:02:12.500 Rising took place in Kent, which the Lancastrians claimed to bear the marks of Yorkist support.
00:02:17.800 Jack Cade, a soldier of capacity and bad character, home from the wars, gathered several thousand men,
00:02:23.060 all summoned in due form by the constables of the district, and marched on London.
00:02:28.280 He was admitted to the city, but on his executing Lord Say, the treasurer, in Cheapside, after a mob trial,
00:02:34.880 the magistrates and citizens turned against him, his followers dispersed under terms of pardon,
00:02:39.400 and he himself was pursued and killed.
00:02:41.440 This success, for the Lancastrians basically, restored for the moment the authority of the
00:02:46.840 government and Henry, that's King Henry VI, the feeble-minded king, and Henry enjoyed a brief
00:02:52.580 interlude in which he devoted himself anew to his colleges at Eton and Cambridge and Margaret,
00:02:58.620 his wife, Margaret of Anjou, who had gained his love and obedience. But it doesn't last long,
00:03:04.360 let Churchill continue with what's happening in France, because if you remember the whole,
00:03:08.160 especially the beginning part of the wars of the roses is very very very much wrapped up in the
00:03:13.220 story of england finally finally losing the hundred years war in france finally getting
00:03:19.880 entirely kicked out of france other than calais it's all wrapped up in the same thing a lot of
00:03:24.420 the reasons why henry vi why his reign was so troubled is because we were just kind of endlessly
00:03:31.360 losing in france if you're endlessly winning like his father henry vi then everything's good and
00:03:36.640 rosy and no one dares challenge you or question your authority or anything. If it's the other way
00:03:42.140 around, yeah. And if you're weak and feeble, doubly so. Okay, let's listen to Churchill talk 0.97
00:03:47.760 about what was going down in France around this time. And we're talking the very, very late 1440s,
00:03:52.380 early 1450s at this point, around the year 1450-51. So Churchill says, quote,
00:03:57.660 as the process of expelling the English from France continued, fortresses fell,
00:04:01.860 towns and districts were lost and their garrisons for the most part came home the speed of this
00:04:07.740 disaster contributed powerfully to shock English opinion and to shake not only the position of
00:04:13.780 individual ministers but the very foundations of the Lancastrian dynasty i.e there was always the
00:04:19.260 old argument that the Lancastrians were usurpers that the first of the Lancastrian kings Henry
00:04:24.500 the fourth Henry Bolingbroke had basically illegal according to the their enemies had illegally
00:04:30.000 arrested, imprisoned and quite possibly murdered his own cousin, Richard II, the true heir,
00:04:36.540 the true Plantagenet heir, the son of the Black Prince, who was the son of Edward III.
00:04:41.520 And at that point, everything that happened since then, the whole reign of Henry IV and
00:04:45.260 Henry V and now Henry VI, all of that was wrong and illegal, say their enemies, say
00:04:51.280 the Yorkists.
00:04:52.280 And that argument had never ever disappeared or gone away.
00:04:54.820 Well now it's coming out in force, as you can imagine, with us, the English, doing so
00:04:59.380 terribly in france you know god wants it that way if we're losing it's god because god wants it it
00:05:04.720 works the other way as well right if you keep winning it's because because god wills it god's
00:05:08.360 on your side well if you're losing he he's displeased with you perhaps your entire monarchy
00:05:15.120 your entire dynasty okay church will continue saying with incredible folly and bad faith
00:05:19.720 the english broke the truce at four garez in march 1449 by august 1450 the whole of normandy
00:05:27.040 was lost. By August 1451 the whole of Gascony which had been English for three centuries had
00:05:33.400 been lost as well and all of the conquests of Henry V which had taken England 11 years of toil
00:05:39.140 and blood to win and only Calais remained. Edmund Beaufort the king's commander friend and Lancastrian
00:05:45.920 cousin bore the blame for unbroken defeat and this reacted on the king himself. England became full
00:05:52.360 of what we should call ex-servicemen who did not know why they had been beaten but were sure that
00:05:58.060 they had been mishandled and had fought in vain the nobles in the increasing disorder were glad
00:06:04.380 to gather these hardened fighters to their local defense all the great houses kept bands of armed
00:06:09.880 retainers sometimes almost amounting to private armies so that's a big thing end quote me again
00:06:15.660 and so that's a really important element to all of this to remember i said it in the last couple
00:06:20.580 of episodes a couple of times i have to keep repeating it that the wars of the roses are born
00:06:25.460 out of the hundred years war the hundred years war peters out and ends essentially but it's a
00:06:32.360 militarized age and churchill talks about them being ex-servicemen yeah so there's loads of
00:06:37.920 soldiers veteran soldiers that are now just in england twiddling their thumbs so it's a martial
00:06:43.380 age and they're expected to fight they know nothing other than fighting so their energies
00:06:48.660 have to go somewhere well in in a sense you can say the energy the military energy of the hundred
00:06:54.620 years war transfers over into the cousins war the wars of the roses okay let's let church will
00:07:00.380 continue he says they the noblemen the noble people of england they gave them the the ex-servicemen
00:07:07.680 gave them pay and land or both and uniforms or liveries bearing the family crest the earl of
00:07:14.080 Warwick, perhaps the greatest landowner, who aspired to a leading part in politics,
00:07:19.420 had thousands of dependents who ate what was called his bread.
00:07:23.220 Quote, his bread. He paid for them, basically.
00:07:25.720 So they're loyal to him, personally.
00:07:27.080 And of these, a large proportion were organised troops
00:07:30.120 proud to display the badge of the Bear and the Ragged Staff,
00:07:34.340 the House of Warwick, one branch of the Neville's.
00:07:37.320 Other magnates emulated this example according to their means.
00:07:40.820 cash and ambition ruled and the land sank rapidly towards anarchy the king was a helpless creature
00:07:47.060 this is a key key line here key bit of historical data the king was a helpless creature respected
00:07:54.400 even beloved but no prop for any man parliament both lords and commons was little more than a
00:08:01.100 clearing house for the rivalries of nobles end quote now that says a lot right there and bear
00:08:06.540 that in mind because if if if that wasn't the case that last sentence there the last two sentences
00:08:12.980 there from Churchill if that wasn't the case the wars of the roses wouldn't have been possible
00:08:16.540 if there'd been a strong government a strong king a strong parliament it wouldn't have happened but
00:08:22.260 it's individual nobles like Richard Duke of York like the Earl of Warwick if they weren't powers
00:08:28.860 true powers in and of themselves in their own right completely independent of the crown completely
00:08:34.440 independent of parliament if that wasn't the case then the wars of the roses wouldn't have happened
00:08:38.560 but it is the case it's like a perfect storm of various things happened right the the hundred years
00:08:44.460 was petering out and there's there's endless soldiers now just all across the country the
00:08:49.260 king is completely feckless and inept there's various nobles that have got similar levels of
00:08:54.540 power again if there was one overarching over powerful earl then maybe the wars of the roses 0.98
00:09:00.800 wouldn't have happened because okay the king isn't in control of policy the king doesn't control
00:09:05.820 government okay this other guy does you know someone like Godwin in the age of Edward the
00:09:10.760 Confessor say one overarchingly powerful magnate but it's not there's a there's all sorts of them
00:09:15.500 loads of them and they're all they're rivals blood rivals and ambitious for power in their own right
00:09:21.060 so yeah a number of things came together to make this happen Churchill goes on saying a statute of
00:09:26.820 1429, i.e. a while before this, had fixed the country franchise at the 40 shilling freeholder,
00:09:33.560 i.e. there was a money property qualification before you were allowed any sort of say in
00:09:37.580 politics. It is hard to realise that this arbitrarily contracted franchise ruled in
00:09:42.180 England for 400 years, and that all the wars and quarrels, the decision of the greatest causes,
00:09:47.920 the grandest events at home and abroad, proceeded upon this basis until the Reform Bill of 1832.
00:09:54.520 In the preamble to the original act, it was alleged that the participation of elections of too great a number of people of little substance or worth, quote, had led to homicides, riots, assaults and frauds.
00:10:06.440 So was a backward but endearing step taken in parliamentary representation.
00:10:11.240 Yet never for centuries had the privilege of Parliament stood so high.
00:10:14.540 Never for centuries was it more blatantly exploited.
00:10:17.600 So Churchill just telling us there a little bit about Parliament.
00:10:21.100 that's what he does in in the history of the english-speaking peoples he quite often takes a
00:10:24.440 moment out just to give you uh just to just to touch base with parliament what's going on with
00:10:29.420 the history of parliament so there he tells us a little bit about what it meant that it's sort of
00:10:34.660 important if there's not a super strong king that can just override it entirely like edward the third
00:10:41.380 maybe although he didn't override it entirely go back and watch my videos about edward the third
00:10:45.720 But if you've got someone like Henry V or Edward I or even someone like Charles I when he had his personal rule,
00:10:53.340 if you've got a strong enough king who, for whatever reason, doesn't want to or doesn't need to really listen to Parliament much in the Middle Ages,
00:10:59.560 then they don't have to.
00:11:01.020 But then sometimes if you've got a super weak king like this, Henry VI, Parliament may well come into its own.
00:11:06.220 But at least in the middle of the 15th century, it's just completely exploited.
00:11:11.480 I mean, Churchill called it, what, little more than a clearinghouse for the rivalries of nobles.
00:11:16.880 OK, another paragraph here.
00:11:18.520 Churchill says, the force of law was appropriated by intrigue, baronial violence, used or defied legal forms with growing impunity.
00:11:28.340 I mean, these nobles like Richard, Duke of York, are a law unto themselves.
00:11:33.200 They really are.
00:11:34.320 Or their retainers, their men can go around doing rapes and murders and things, whatever, whatever.
00:11:39.100 And there's no repercussions
00:11:41.420 The law of the land
00:11:42.580 The writ of the king
00:11:44.000 Doesn't have any power
00:11:45.460 So they're truly laws unto themselves
00:11:47.740 The constitution was turned against the public
00:11:50.920 No man was safe in life or lands
00:11:53.940 Or even in the humblest right
00:11:55.840 Except through the protection of his local chief
00:11:58.840 The celebrated Paston letters
00:12:01.160 And there was a family, the Pastons
00:12:03.380 Who wrote loads of letters
00:12:05.100 And they survived, remarkably
00:12:07.300 and they talk all about everyday things sometimes it's sort of everyday things they certainly talk
00:12:11.160 about what's going on in the country and it's a remarkable piece of evidence because for one of
00:12:16.780 the first times it's sort of relatively normal people i mean the pastons are not poor peasants
00:12:21.300 at all they're firmly what we might call now middle class or upper middle class something
00:12:26.680 like that but they're not the actual lancastrian or yorkish families they're sort of effectively
00:12:32.060 normal people kind of normal people and so their letters many many many many letters they talk
00:12:37.740 about all different things writing to their other relatives and friends and things and it's just a
00:12:42.760 great insight a great window into what was really going on and what normal people might have thought
00:12:48.820 and felt about it again from earlier times from earlier centuries we have nothing like it there's
00:12:53.340 nothing like it from the 11th century right so for example or earlier of course very rarely very
00:12:59.900 really. That's why something like Cicero's letters, the first century B.E.C., Marcus
00:13:04.620 Julius Cicero writing letters to his friends, some of those survive. That's why that's so
00:13:09.280 incredible. You have to go nearly 1,500 years later, a millennium and a half later before you
00:13:14.620 get something along those lines, with some other exceptions along the way. But okay, the church
00:13:18.380 says, the celebrated Paston letters show that England, enormously advanced as it was in
00:13:23.900 comprehension character and civilization was relapsing from peace and security into barbaric
00:13:29.900 confusion the roads were insecure that's a classic thing all through the centuries is it safe to go
00:13:35.520 on the public highways is it safe to travel around between towns and cities particularly at night is
00:13:40.980 it safe or not it's just it's quite a simple litmus test isn't it well at this stage we're told
00:13:45.880 it seems that it's not it well it's becoming less safe the roads were insecure Churchill said the
00:13:52.380 king's writ was denied or perverted the royal judges were flouted or bribed the rights of 0.94
00:13:58.580 sovereignty were stated in the highest terms but the king was a weak and handled fool the powers 0.97
00:14:04.840 of parliament could be turned this way and that according to the factions that gripped it yet the 0.58
00:14:10.200 suffering toiling unconquerable community had moved far from the days of Stephen and Mould
00:14:15.680 i.e. the anarchy of the 12th century had moved far from the days of Stephen and Mould and Henry
00:14:21.280 the second and thomas beckett and of king john and the barons there was a highly complex society
00:14:26.560 still growing in spite of evils in many regions the poverty of the executive the king the
00:14:32.660 difficulties of communication and the popular strength in bills and bows bills like hooks
00:14:38.300 the popular strength in weapons all helped to hold it in balance there was a public opinion
00:14:43.700 there was a collective moral sense there were venerated customs above all there was a national
00:14:49.920 spirit and so Churchill painting a picture there of an England with a relatively as he says it for
00:14:56.780 the for the 15th century relatively complex civil society that's sort of what he's describing isn't
00:15:01.280 it a civil society you know if you believe the pastor letters and there's absolutely no reason
00:15:05.760 not to believe them to be right so it's not a really simple feudal society like the 11th century
00:15:13.580 12th century um there's it's it's more complex so so okay so something like private armies the
00:15:20.640 private armies of warwick say are possible if the king isn't strong enough to keep the kingdom in
00:15:26.400 check someone else will do it all right let's flip over to sir charles oman where he starts telling
00:15:31.800 us about we've got a bit here about the general character of the wars of the roses oman in the
00:15:38.000 early 20th century or very very very late 19th century wrote this quote the wars of the roses
00:15:43.620 as historians have chosen to name them from the the white rose which was the badge of york and
00:15:48.900 the red rose which was assumed long after as the emblem of lancaster were much more than a faction
00:15:54.880 fight between two rival coteries of peers at the first they were the attempt of the majority of
00:16:00.420 the english nation to oust an unpopular minister from power by force of arms suffolk talking about
00:16:05.800 there, William de la Pole. There is no doubt that the greater part of England sided with York in
00:16:11.000 this endeavour against the King and Margaret von Joux and Suffolk. The citizens, a reference to
00:16:16.480 maybe Jack Cade's rebellion as well perhaps, the citizens and freeholders of London, Kent and South
00:16:21.660 and the Midlands, where lay all the wealth and political energy of the nation, were strongly
00:16:26.720 Yorkist. Henry, on the other hand, obviously Lancastrian, the head, the titular head, the
00:16:32.160 nominal head of the Lancastrians. Henry, on the other hand, got his support from a group of great
00:16:37.240 nobles who controlled the wild west and north, and the still wilder Wales. Unfortunately for the
00:16:43.300 nation, the constitutional aspect of the struggle was gradually obscured by the increasing bitterness
00:16:49.280 of family blood feuds. Thy father slew mine, and now will I slay thee, was the cry of the
00:16:56.880 Lancastrian noble to the enemy who asked for quarter. And it expresses well enough the whole
00:17:01.940 aspect of the later years of the struggle, i.e. blood for you, blood vendetta, that regardless
00:17:06.980 of anything, at some point when civil wars happen, things like this, at some point, regardless of
00:17:12.000 politics, regardless of how doomed your cause is or anything, regardless of the justice of it, 0.99
00:17:18.040 you killed my dad, so I'm going to kill your dad now. You killed my brother, so I'm going to kill 1.00
00:17:22.940 your brother now. You stole my estates, raped my womenfolk, so I'm going to kill you now. It just 1.00
00:17:28.920 boils down to that, you know, quite quickly. Or in this case, not quite quickly. Over a number of
00:17:33.920 years it played out, but there you go. Thy father slew mine, and now I will slay thee. There you go, 0.99
00:17:39.840 in a nutshell. Okay, Oman continues saying this. The war commenced with an attempt to set right by
00:17:46.000 force the government of the realm, but it ended as a mere series of bloody reprisals for slain
00:17:52.260 kinsfolk. It left England in a far worse state from the political and constitutional point of
00:17:57.660 view than it had known since the days of John, you know, King John in the very, very early 13th
00:18:02.760 century, late 12th century, early 13th century. Again, a type of civil war, social, political
00:18:07.900 collapse, really. Something close to an anarchy, if not actual anarchy. So bad times. It began with
00:18:14.060 the comparatively small affliction of a weak, well-intentioned king who persisted in retaining
00:18:20.380 an unpopular minister in power. Again, Suffolk, you know, the one that was trying to cross the
00:18:25.000 channel, got caught, got got, and then got beheaded. It ended by leaving the realm in the hands of an
00:18:31.380 arbitrary, self-willed king who ruled autocratically for himself, with no desire or intention of
00:18:37.620 consulting the nation's wishes as to how it should be governed, end quote. So just to let you know,
00:18:42.620 just to jump ahead a bit here, to let you know what was being said there, and to keep it in mind,
00:18:49.660 because it will help you understand everything that's going on because the Wars of the Roses
00:18:53.620 really is complicated it really really is there's so many characters in it so many people in it so
00:18:58.520 many back and forth so many battles that if you don't pin certain characters in your mind who they
00:19:05.320 are then it will just be too confusing I'll just keep naming these people and you won't know who's
00:19:09.420 who and you forget so now let me introduce arguably the most important figure in this
00:19:15.320 Second most important
00:19:16.360 Let's say the most important figure is King Henry VI
00:19:20.020 The feeble-minded king 0.99
00:19:21.760 The feeble-minded Lancastrian king 0.98
00:19:23.700 Okay 0.90
00:19:24.260 He's the most important figure
00:19:25.940 You can use him as an anchor point
00:19:28.540 Of where he is
00:19:29.620 Who controls him
00:19:30.560 What's he doing
00:19:31.360 Okay
00:19:31.900 So the second most important figure in all of this
00:19:35.240 Will be the next king after him
00:19:38.160 Who is Edward IV
00:19:39.840 Introducing King Edward IV
00:19:42.780 Okay
00:19:43.400 That's who Oman was referring to there
00:19:46.020 When he said the whole Wars of the Roses
00:19:47.860 Ended with an arbitrary self-willed king
00:19:51.300 Who ruled autocratically for himself
00:19:53.180 With no desire or intention of consulting the nation's wishes
00:19:55.860 And how it should be governed
00:19:57.020 Edward IV
00:19:58.120 Okay, so let's talk a little bit about Edward IV
00:20:01.040 So that you can have him in your mind
00:20:03.040 That person, that figure
00:20:04.180 And you can anchor various things around him
00:20:07.020 Various events around him
00:20:08.760 He's like the Arch Yorkist
00:20:10.360 Okay
00:20:10.860 so I've talked a fair bit about Richard Duke of York he is one of the cousins you know he's Henry
00:20:16.980 the sixth cousin I really his line has got a better claim to the throne than the Lancastrian
00:20:23.780 family he's descended of the Edward III's second son the Duke of Clarence whereas the Lancastrians
00:20:30.220 are descended from the third son John of Gaunt so Richard Duke of York is a middle-aged man he's
00:20:35.580 already been in wars in Ireland and in France he's a middle-aged very very competent man Richard Duke
00:20:41.340 of York if anyone was to take over the crown from the feeble King Henry VI it would be him okay now
00:20:48.780 we'll talk all about exactly what happens to him and his fate and why he doesn't end up becoming
00:20:53.500 king we'll talk all about that when the time comes but just to mention he had three sons the eldest
00:21:00.120 one is called Edward that kid still a kid at this point when the wars of the roses break out is like
00:21:06.080 17 years old 18 years old he's young old enough in these in these days he's a man he's a full-grown
00:21:12.120 man he can go and fight in battles he's a full-grown man he's not a child but still he's
00:21:16.260 young 17 18 19 odd the eldest of these sons of York Edward he's the one that goes on to ultimately
00:21:24.060 become King Edward IV right so we're not going to talk about him much for a while maybe an episode
00:21:29.760 or two. He won't really come into the story much for a while yet. It was all about his dad, Richard,
00:21:36.080 Duke of York. It's all about him still for a long time. But just bear in mind, the Duke of York's
00:21:40.480 eldest son, Edward, ends up the ultimate, ultimate victor of it all. OK, well, not the ultimate,
00:21:47.100 ultimate victor. Henry Tudor is the ultimate, ultimate victor at the Battle of Bosworth Field
00:21:51.420 in 85, in 1485. He's the ultimate winner, isn't he? But nonetheless, remember this Edward and all
00:21:58.800 the boys these these sons of york okay these sons in splendor okay let's let oman tell us a bit more
00:22:07.440 then he goes on to say quote we might place the beginning of the wars of the roses at the moment
00:22:12.320 of cade's insurrection remember jack cade that wannabe soldier who marched on london and killed
00:22:17.720 the treasurer lord say in the cheap side and then himself got thrown out of london and eventually
00:22:23.260 killed, Cade's insurrection, but it was not until five years later that the struggle broke out in
00:22:29.460 its bitterer form. Strangely enough, the commencement of the strife was preceded by a time in which it
00:22:35.800 seemed almost certain that the troubles of the realm would blow over. Remember Churchill talking
00:22:40.660 about how there was an interlude there where King Henry V, sorry, King Henry VI could just spend his
00:22:46.420 time building his colleges at Eton and Cambridge and spending time with his wife. That's that time,
00:22:52.560 these five years or so it seemed like maybe the country wouldn't descend into some form of civil
00:22:58.120 war but Omar says in 1453 the king went mad if you remember I talked all about how he would his 0.99
00:23:05.680 his madness his his you know what today we would call mental illness it would come and go when he
00:23:11.820 was young it often wasn't too bad but it seemed to get worse as he got older or the periods of it
00:23:17.940 lasted longer sometimes he was fine I mean even when he was completely lucid and fine and not
00:23:23.920 suffering from any sort of episode even then he was weak-willed and weak-minded but then he would
00:23:30.120 have I mean can we call them episodes sometimes he would have episodes where he would just selective
00:23:35.820 mutism just stare at the wall not say anything not respond to anyone he would still eat you could
00:23:40.200 sort of move him around put him in a chair and he'd just sit there in complete silence just staring
00:23:44.480 into space could put him in bed and he'd fall asleep put food in his mouth and he'd chew and
00:23:48.800 he'd swallow it but but nothing beyond that as he got older that started to happen and as the years
00:23:54.540 went by it got worse and worse and worse lasted longer and longer and longer you know and so and
00:23:59.060 then he'd just snap out of it sometimes you know sometimes towards the end or from years from now
00:24:04.040 sometimes it would last weeks and weeks if not months months he was in that state and then one
00:24:09.360 day like one moment he would snap out of it just be like oh wait what's going on what's happened
00:24:13.900 now like that and pretend or not pretend he's suffering from a man's wings he would say he
00:24:17.900 didn't know anything that happened in the last few months like one time his wife was pregnant
00:24:21.420 he has starts one of these episodes the kid is born and then he snaps out of it months later
00:24:26.580 he's like what i've got a baby well how did that happen where did that come from sort of thing
00:24:30.220 so it's yeah there's no other way to describe it than true mental illness so okay the last thing
00:24:37.760 you need in a king in a martial age terrible thing all right oman says in 1453 the king went mad
00:24:46.180 the peers and commons unanimously called upon york that is richard duke of york the father of
00:24:52.500 the one day king edward the fourth so they called upon york richard duke of york as the first prince
00:24:59.320 of the blood i.e he was a very very senior member of the royal family arguably a better claimant to
00:25:05.320 the throne than the king himself the first prince of the blood to take up the place of protector of
00:25:10.220 the realm i.e to be a king in all but name to be a lord protector to be a regent you know like say
00:25:17.240 you've got a tiny baby is like henry vi used to be you need a protector a protector of the realm
00:25:23.620 to actually govern to actually do the business of government so the commons the peers and commons
00:25:29.540 wanted richard duke of york to do that but remember margaret of anjou and the whole faction
00:25:34.480 The whole Lancastrian faction around the king
00:25:36.900 They're not going to like that
00:25:38.080 They're not going to be happy with that
00:25:39.380 They won't really accept that
00:25:40.560 Because he's their arch enemy
00:25:41.800 Already the two sides have bumped off
00:25:45.340 Someone or other from the other side's faction
00:25:47.500 Already it's something close to all out war
00:25:50.580 One way or another
00:25:51.620 So the fact that the peers and the commons
00:25:54.640 Wanted the Duke of York
00:25:56.320 Which is the obvious choice
00:25:57.400 It would have been the obvious choice
00:25:58.920 He's a senior statesman
00:26:00.180 He's a tried and tested military commander
00:26:02.460 He's the first prince of the blood
00:26:04.300 etc etc he's the obvious choice but the lancastrians are not gonna like that oman continues
00:26:09.620 saying he did so i richard duke of your taking up the the role of being protector of the realm he
00:26:15.080 did so to the general satisfaction of the nation again like you know he's a competent man and he
00:26:20.380 cast somerset into the tower somerset one of the leading men in the in the lancastrian faction
00:26:26.400 he cast him into the tower and replaced the old ministers with more capable men i hear a lot of
00:26:32.460 the men that Henry VI had picked or had picked on his behalf were running the country into the
00:26:39.360 ground apparently according to Yorkists you know they'd lost everything in France it was their
00:26:43.660 fault so once Richard Duke of York gets his chance at running government because the king's gone mad
00:26:48.480 he gets rid of them all puts them in the tower or and or just simply replaces them Oman goes on
00:26:53.060 saying but just as it all seemed settled and York's ultimate succession to the crown appeared
00:26:58.420 inevitable you know like at what point will you just say the king's mad he can't do anything i am
00:27:03.640 king now you know do a bowling broke pull a bowling broke just put the king himself in the tower and
00:27:09.640 then he'll probably die one way or another quickly no one just no one ever hears from him again
00:27:14.100 the crown is vacant and it's now the duke of york who is just the king now he would be richard the
00:27:19.500 third wouldn't he we do have a richard the third in uh not too long in this story but it's not this
00:27:24.740 one it's his son his second son well actually sorry the third son Richard III is this Richard
00:27:30.220 Duke of York's third son but we'll get on to that already I'm confusing matters we'll get on to that
00:27:34.640 we'll leave that for later okay but this Richard Duke of York it was thought at this point that
00:27:38.580 his ultimate succession to the crown appeared inevitable the whole aspect of affairs was
00:27:43.920 altered by the Queen Margaret of Anjou a French woman of Anjou the weak-minded Henry VI's wife 0.93
00:27:51.140 the whole aspect of affairs was altered by the queen giving birth to a son after nine years of
00:27:57.000 unfruitful wedlock so that does change everything because if henry the sixth the weak-minded king
00:28:03.040 if he had for whatever reason been put in some remote castle somewhere like pembroke castle or
00:28:08.740 something and then just never seen never seen again like six months a year later the news comes
00:28:14.060 out oh he yeah he died he died of natural causes yeah he's dead anyway here's the new king right
00:28:19.700 Things like that had already happened before
00:28:21.900 Richard II, Edward II
00:28:24.100 Things like that had happened
00:28:25.920 If that happened, well, it all would be quite neat
00:28:28.420 And squared away
00:28:30.960 But now he's got a son
00:28:32.500 Well, if you want, if Richard, Duke of York
00:28:34.700 Or the Yorkists wanted to do something like that
00:28:37.460 Usurp the crown, just take the crown 1.00
00:28:39.140 Well, they'd have to kill this baby as well now 1.00
00:28:41.660 Because that's, he's the legit heir, isn't he? 0.99
00:28:44.440 Henry VI is the king
00:28:45.440 Now he's got a little baby boy 0.99
00:28:46.900 And so you'd have to murder him as well, wouldn't you? 1.00
00:28:49.700 or at least just keep him a prisoner forever. 0.99
00:28:52.060 So it just complicates matters.
00:28:53.760 It makes it more difficult.
00:28:55.040 And the Queen, even if you did imprison,
00:28:57.600 even if you did arrest and imprison the King,
00:29:00.280 but the son is still at large, at liberty,
00:29:03.540 even if he's a baby,
00:29:04.560 a faction, a Lancastrian faction,
00:29:06.680 can be built up and around him.
00:29:09.140 Very, very powerful Lancastrian magnates might say,
00:29:12.540 oh, well, you've captured Henry VI.
00:29:15.000 You've got him in your power.
00:29:16.420 He's in the tower under your lock and key.
00:29:18.540 Or he's even dead.
00:29:19.700 Well, now this new baby is the king, though, and we recognize him,
00:29:24.700 and he will be the leader of our faction, even as a child.
00:29:28.120 So, in other words, the fact that the queen finally gave birth to particularly a son
00:29:32.900 means that the whole aspect of everything does sort of change.
00:29:36.200 Omar says, this completely cut away York's prospect of succession,
00:29:40.320 because if Henry VI did die for whatever reason, without any issue,
00:29:44.840 then the legit next in line would be Richard, Duke of York.
00:29:49.700 But not, you know, not now, exactly as Oman says.
00:29:52.780 But he, Richard, Duke of York, accepted the situation with loyalty
00:29:56.080 and swore allegiance to the infant Prince of Wales.
00:29:59.160 But after 18 months, Henry VI suddenly and unexpectedly recovered his sanity.
00:30:05.700 As I said, just snapped out of it, literally.
00:30:08.200 One day, snapped out of it.
00:30:10.740 Oman tells us that at once, at Queen Margaret's behest,
00:30:14.420 he, the king, dismissed York and his friends from office
00:30:17.500 and drew Somerset out of the tower to make him minister once more.
00:30:22.080 So that's a classic thing that characterises the Wars of the Roses.
00:30:26.200 A massive amount of volatility, a swing back and forth between the two sides.
00:30:31.740 One moment, it looks like one of the sides, the Lancastrians or the Yorks,
00:30:35.780 have got complete dominance and completely won it.
00:30:38.780 And then suddenly, very suddenly, something happens, some event happens,
00:30:42.720 usually a battle, but not always, which just completely flips the script.
00:30:46.720 I mean, here, there you go. The king and Margaret of Anjou and someone like Somerset were just completely in control for five straight years there.
00:30:54.420 Just no problems. And then the king goes insane, flipped York's in control, flipped York's in charge.
00:31:00.140 Suddenly, 18 months later, the king snaps out of it. Boom, the Yorkists are out of power. 0.96
00:31:05.000 The Lancastrians are back in the seat. And I mean, could it swing more violently one way than the other?
00:31:10.300 Okay, but the Yorkists have had a taste of power now
00:31:13.280 And people like Somerset and Margaret of Anjou
00:31:15.740 Are going to hold a grudge
00:31:16.960 They're not going to be happy with the way they were treated
00:31:19.880 Even though it wasn't too bad
00:31:21.340 Considering how bad it gets
00:31:23.100 Richard Duke of York didn't just have them all murdered, did he?
00:31:27.760 He put Somerset in the tower
00:31:28.820 But he didn't kill him, didn't torture him
00:31:30.420 Didn't have Margaret of Anjou killed or exiled or anything
00:31:32.860 Well, it gets as bitter as it could possibly get later
00:31:36.200 But they're not going to forget
00:31:37.800 Margaret Rongeau is not going to forget how she was treated we hope you enjoyed
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