The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - July 19, 2026


PREVIEW: Epochs #272 | Diocletian - Part 1


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In this episode of Epochs, I take a break from my series on the English monarchy to talk all about one of the greatest Roman monarchs of all time, Constantine the Great, and the events leading up to his fall from power in the third century.

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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome back to Epochs. If you watch Epochs every week you'll know that I recently
00:00:25.380 I've been doing the series continuing my series all about the English monarchy and we got through
00:00:31.280 to the end of Henry VIII so before I go on to his son Edward VI and then Lady Jane Grey and then
00:00:38.360 Bloody Mary and then Elizabeth Good Queen Bess and on and on and on I thought I'd take a little
00:00:42.660 bit of a break do something else for a few episodes a little bit of a palate cleanser one could have
00:00:47.780 perhaps too much of the English monarchy if it's for months and months and months and then so
00:00:51.300 going to do something a little bit different for a few episodes. Now what I've decided I want to do
00:00:55.980 is I want to talk all about Constantine, Constantine the Great. So we're going back to the Roman era,
00:01:01.440 the ancient world or late antiquity, the third century AD. Now Constantine the Great, Constantine
00:01:09.660 the First, is such a giant figure, one of those titans of history, someone that dominates history
00:01:17.760 in all sorts of ways. It's a huge figure that I want to be able to set up the story. I don't just
00:01:23.720 want to start with Constantine's early life. I want to set up the whole story. And it's one of
00:01:30.260 those things when you're trying to do a narrative to tell a story. Epoch's history is really
00:01:35.720 storytelling, isn't it? Where to begin? You know, can you really tell the story of World War II
00:01:40.940 without telling the story of the interwar years? Can you really tell that story without talking
00:01:44.980 about world war one can you really tell that story without talking about bismarck without going back
00:01:48.660 to the era and so on and so on where to begin really where to begin so for this i've decided
00:01:54.960 i've made the executive decision the creative decision that i least want to talk all about
00:02:00.380 the main reign that came directly before constantine which is that of diocletian
00:02:06.440 so what i'm going to do is spend an episode or two maybe three who knows we'll see where it goes
00:02:11.000 talking all about Diocletian so we lead the whole generation before Constantine so that it really
00:02:18.560 really sets up that whole world why Constantine did what he did what was the world like when he
00:02:24.360 was a child his formative years what was rolling around in his experience in his memory banks
00:02:30.960 by the time he entered the stage of history so and and Diocletian is absolutely fascinating and
00:02:36.980 a brilliant story all in and of himself. So I'm going to talk all about Diocletian here for an
00:02:41.940 episode or two, but where to even begin that? So I've decided what I'll do is spend 5, 10, maybe 15
00:02:48.520 minutes talking to you all about the period running up to Diocletian. That's where I'm going to start
00:02:53.900 it. I'm going to do a brief overview of what led to the reign of Diocletian, ultimately all setting
00:03:01.460 up the stage for the story of Constantine all right so Diocletian and the world he lived in
00:03:07.980 that story is really the story of the so-called crisis of the third century the third century
00:03:14.460 being the 200s AD so a little bit of an overview could do episodes multiple multiple episodes all
00:03:21.720 about this but the creative decision I've made is to do that in a bit of an overview broad
00:03:28.520 sweeps of the brush before we get start getting into all sorts of detail by the way i'm going to
00:03:32.640 be reading from edward gibbon the decline and fall of the roman empire by edward gibbon written at
00:03:38.540 the end of the 18th century so no woke to have to worry about revisionism and wokeness i'm a big fan
00:03:44.580 i think i've mentioned it more than once in fact i know i have uh how good i think the decline and
00:03:49.360 fall of the roman empire by edward gibbon is many consider it the gold standard of roman history
00:03:55.560 Some people don't particularly like Gibbon, but I think they're wrong
00:03:58.480 I think they're wrong, I think it's brilliant
00:04:00.760 Superbly well written, impeccably researched
00:04:04.540 And all that sort of thing, in my opinion
00:04:06.800 So, the crisis of the 3rd century, what was that?
00:04:10.080 Well, it was where the Roman Empire began to fracture and fall apart
00:04:15.220 Ever since the reign of Augustus 0.85
00:04:18.400 And that is around the year zero, around the age of Christ
00:04:23.320 so it begins his reign in 31 BC or arguably 27 BC in the decades before 0 AD and he doesn't die
00:04:35.620 until sort of 14 AD that's Augustus now ever since then really the republic was dead historians
00:04:44.520 scholars argue exactly when the republic died most agree it was probably under Julius Caesar
00:04:50.680 Almost certainly under Augustus
00:04:53.980 And certainly Augustus' immediate successors
00:04:57.160 People like Tiberius and Caligula
00:04:59.020 The Republic was really dead
00:05:01.080 The Senate did not control policy anymore
00:05:03.820 It was in the hands of the emperors
00:05:06.500 Nonetheless, the pretense of the Republic was still continued
00:05:10.940 There still was a Senate
00:05:12.820 And all the emperors pretended, paid lip service to
00:05:18.340 all the institutions and norms of the republic but really the cockpit of power you know who gets
00:05:25.400 to really set policy was with the emperors and their inner entourages you know like so Tiberius
00:05:32.300 and Caligula really didn't particularly Caligula or by the age of Nero we're talking like the 60s
00:05:38.920 AD then a generation or two after Augustus really the uh the senate was for rubber stamping only
00:05:47.400 I mean Nero butchered most of the Senate
00:05:50.800 And then there's centuries after that
00:05:52.640 Again we're going to talk about the crisis of the 3rd century for a bit here
00:05:56.060 So a couple of centuries after all of that has gone down
00:05:59.140 By the beginning, the middle of the 3rd century, the 200s AD
00:06:05.600 Rome in all sorts of ways has passed its glory days
00:06:09.360 The glory days of perhaps the Antonians
00:06:12.200 Again historians and scholars argue about really this
00:06:15.480 uh antonius pious trajan hadrian all those the the second century right rome has declined by the
00:06:23.820 third century rome has declined from its higher watermark a lot of people say the highest water
00:06:28.660 mark is trajan or hadrian where hadrian decides to put definite limits on the empire no longer
00:06:36.280 are they sort of the roman the roman world endlessly looking to expand hadrian says no look
00:06:42.160 it's already too big in all sorts of ways we're going to try and hold on to what we've got and
00:06:47.420 the empire stretches from northern england or modern-day scotland britannia they called it
00:06:52.460 the roman province of britannia all the way from the hadrian's wall or the wall of the antonians
00:06:58.380 up in scotland all the way out to modern-day iraq like the city of tessafor which is basically sort
00:07:06.100 of modern-day Baghdad. So the Roman Empire, all of North Africa, all of Europe, not really much
00:07:12.180 of Germany or Poland or Northern Europe, but all of modern-day France and Spain, Italy, the Balkans,
00:07:19.340 Turkey, and the Levant, the Holy Land, and all the way out to Mesopotamia. So it's a giant,
00:07:27.000 giant empire. And Hadrian decides to put limits on that. Okay, in the next century or so, Rome
00:07:32.900 struggles to keep hold of that and it goes through all sorts of turmoil both military and economic 1.00
00:07:39.900 the empire keeps getting invaded endlessly really by all the quote-unquote barbaric peoples that 0.82
00:07:46.840 surround it kind of endlessly it goes through political turmoil as well as military turmoil
00:07:52.340 lots and lots and lots of different emperors they keep usurping each other the empire breaks up a
00:07:58.580 bit and then is reunited under Aurelian. I could have considered starting this story with Aurelian,
00:08:05.780 a great, one of the great, great emperors in the crisis of the third century where it looked like
00:08:10.280 the Roman Empire was truly fracturing and for good. Aurelian unites it again under the control
00:08:17.140 of one man, him. Aurelian could be, could have been a Constantine type figure, dominated history,
00:08:25.140 A titan of history
00:08:26.100 Everyone would know his name
00:08:27.460 Millennia later
00:08:28.540 But relatively soon after
00:08:31.020 He united the empire
00:08:32.880 He dies
00:08:34.320 He's killed
00:08:34.800 And so it fractures again
00:08:36.920 We just get another cycle
00:08:38.640 Of classic stuff
00:08:40.200 Of the crisis of the 3rd century
00:08:41.380 Also I must say
00:08:42.640 Economically
00:08:43.940 All sorts of problems 1.00
00:08:45.400 The Romans increased
00:08:46.900 Their army 0.88
00:08:48.180 They doubled the size of their army
00:08:50.400 During the crisis of the 3rd century
00:08:51.660 Because of the endless
00:08:52.780 Basically endless 0.93
00:08:53.740 invasions from all the different tribes around them and they had to increase the pay of the
00:09:01.060 soldiers something in the order of 50 percent and the roman economy just wasn't up to that
00:09:07.620 essentially so they had to devalue their money they had to make their gold and more importantly
00:09:13.900 silver pieces they had to water down the amount of actual silver that's in it okay so it's a crisis
00:09:22.280 Military, political and economic crisis
00:09:25.020 Over and over and over again
00:09:26.460 Until we get to the age of Diocletian 0.79
00:09:30.780 Now one of the main things to say 0.98
00:09:33.680 Spoiler alert
00:09:34.540 But we'll go into all this in tons of detail
00:09:36.680 But to give you the overview
00:09:37.680 So you know what you're listening to
00:09:39.600 What's coming 0.99
00:09:40.140 Diocletian brings in a whole new system of government
00:09:44.620 From Augustus to Diocletian
00:09:47.420 Historians have called it the Principate
00:09:49.520 That is that the Emperor
00:09:51.600 is supposed to be, just on paper,
00:09:56.080 it's supposed to be the princeps, the first citizen.
00:10:00.840 Some historians and scholars say that all of those emperors,
00:10:04.680 I don't agree with this, a lot of people don't agree with it,
00:10:06.960 but the argument has been made,
00:10:08.460 that all of those emperors from Augustus to Diocletian
00:10:10.880 aren't true, true emperors in the way,
00:10:15.920 let's say perhaps Napoleon was an emperor.
00:10:18.060 That at least on paper
00:10:20.020 The senate still exists
00:10:21.940 Lots of the institutions of the republic
00:10:24.160 Still exist
00:10:25.340 Whether it's a sham or not
00:10:27.220 Those emperors are supposed to be
00:10:30.020 Of course they weren't really in practice
00:10:32.080 But they were supposed to be
00:10:33.260 Just the first among equals 0.87
00:10:35.160 They were supposed to be merely the first citizen
00:10:37.860 That was what the government was supposed to be
00:10:40.500 A principate 0.91
00:10:41.820 Well when Diocletian comes in 0.99
00:10:43.320 He changes that 0.60
00:10:44.360 He brings in what historians call
00:10:47.220 The dominate 0.98
00:10:47.820 I.e. a true emperor 0.80
00:10:51.060 The empire is embodied in the person of the emperor now
00:10:56.280 He dominates it, right?
00:10:59.060 His word is law
00:11:00.340 But now formally, legally
00:11:02.180 He doesn't have to have any recourse to a senate
00:11:05.340 Or anything like that
00:11:06.240 He is a true, true emperor in the classic sense of the word
00:11:10.440 Literally whatever he says is now law
00:11:13.960 And so, although that had been the case in practice
00:11:17.680 For nearly all of the principate
00:11:20.840 Now what Diocletian does
00:11:22.860 Is he sort of formalises it
00:11:24.460 And he's a true military emperor
00:11:27.100 It's his way or the highway
00:11:29.640 And there's no ifs or buts about it
00:11:33.320 Even nominally, even on paper
00:11:35.280 Okay, the other big thing he does
00:11:38.480 Is he unifies the empire
00:11:41.440 As Aurelian had done
00:11:42.960 Only a generation or so before
00:11:45.280 But then he decides
00:11:47.060 he makes a decision, a big, big decision, like that of Hadrian, to put limits on the empire.
00:11:54.940 He decides he's going to change the game a bit, and he's going to make four emperors, him being
00:12:00.940 one of them. The empire is just too big to be ruled by one person. He's going to break it up
00:12:07.540 into four segments. The tetrarchy, it's called, the rule of four, the tetrarchy. And what you,
00:12:13.540 What in his idea was that you would have two senior emperors
00:12:17.700 Again, him being one
00:12:19.360 What in his idea was that you would have two senior emperors
00:12:23.300 Again, him being one of those
00:12:25.420 And they will be called Augustuses, or Augusti
00:12:28.700 And they will name, formally, legally, name their successor
00:12:32.440 Each one of them will name their successor
00:12:34.940 And they will be called Caesar
00:12:36.240 Okay, so you can already see a couple of centuries out
00:12:39.480 From the original Julius Caesar and Octavian, Augustus
00:12:43.020 the Augustus a couple of centuries out the Roman world is already looking back on that
00:12:48.140 with rose tinted glasses already it's already something that's completely in the past
00:12:53.020 just just a part of their history they're now playing a different game an entirely different
00:12:57.960 game and this tetrarchy you'll have two senior emperors the Augusti and two junior ones and as
00:13:05.280 soon as one of those Augustuses Augusti as soon as they die or if they might like to retire
00:13:11.180 then the idea is that there'll be no succession crisis because you've already got another guy
00:13:18.000 your Caesar will take over and become be promoted effectively to an Augustus and he at that point
00:13:26.380 will then name a new Caesar so there'll be no succession crisis that's the idea and that with
00:13:33.860 the empire broken up into four bits each one of these Augusti or Caesars they will be able to rule
00:13:40.220 their portion of the empire much more effectively efficiently and it will prevent again in theory it
00:13:48.580 will prevent something like the crisis of the third century just playing out endlessly i.e
00:13:55.000 just succession crisis after succession crisis after succession crisis that's the idea of it
00:14:00.920 of course you might already be asking yourself well what if these four emperors don't necessarily
00:14:06.880 all agree perfectly with each other and are all on the same page with each other in terms of policy
00:14:12.400 100% of the time what if they start fighting among themselves I mean it's a good question
00:14:18.200 so all right with all of that said give you a bit of an overview of what's going to go down
00:14:22.820 let's start talking about and reading about Diocletian himself so as I said going to be
00:14:28.860 reading from Edward Gibbon, and in chapter 13 of his seminal work, he says this, quote,
00:14:38.420 As the reign of Diocletian was more illustrious than that of any of his predecessors,
00:14:43.680 so was his birth more abject and obscure. The strong claims of merit and of violence
00:14:49.540 had frequently superseded the ideal prerogatives of nobility. What he's talking about there is
00:14:55.760 usurpations, the idea that you're of a noble family like the Julio-Claudian dynasty, that that
00:15:02.300 protects you in some way, that you won't be usurped because the name, your very name and your family
00:15:08.680 means that no one could really take your position because they won't be illustrious enough, they
00:15:13.240 won't be noble enough. Well all of that's out of the window a long time ago. But a distinct line
00:15:18.840 of separation was hitherto preserved between the free and the servile part of mankind. The parents
00:15:25.360 of Diocletian had been slaves in the house of Annulinius, a Roman senator, nor was he himself
00:15:32.200 distinguished by any other name than that which he derived from a small town in Dalmatia, from
00:15:39.300 whence his mother deduced her origin. It is, however, probable that his father obtained the
00:15:45.460 freedom of the family and that he soon acquired an office of scribe, which was commonly exercised
00:15:52.120 by persons of his condition. Favorable oracles, or rather the consciousness of superior merit,
00:15:58.360 prompted his aspiring son to pursue the profession of arms and the hopes of fortune, i.e. joining the
00:16:05.780 army. And it would be extremely curious to observe the graduation of arts and accidents which enabled
00:16:12.520 him in the end to fulfill these oracles and to display that merit to the world. Diocletian was
00:16:19.440 Successfully promoted to the government of Maesia
00:16:22.260 The honours of the consulship
00:16:24.400 And the important command of the guards of the palace
00:16:27.660 End quote
00:16:28.500 So right there, we're told
00:16:30.180 The Diocletian comes from kind of nothing
00:16:32.560 Not absolutely nothing at all 1.00
00:16:34.380 Not sort of a true peasant living in filth and penury
00:16:37.440 But still, not a noble family whatsoever
00:16:41.080 But he joined the army and through his own merits
00:16:43.520 Ended up becoming consul
00:16:45.440 Now you remember me telling you just a few moments ago
00:16:47.320 about how many of the institutions of the Republic had still survived, like consuls,
00:16:52.280 creators, pro-consuls, creators, all that sort of thing, tribunes. They still all existed. Of course,
00:16:58.740 they didn't have anywhere near the power or the prestige that they had once done during the age
00:17:02.500 of the Republic, but they all still existed. So to become a consul was still massively important.
00:17:08.900 He was still one of the most powerful people in the empire, and he was able to do that through
00:17:13.840 his own merits and became and this is the key the command of the guards of the palace and that's a
00:17:20.840 classic thing all down through history isn't it whoever gets put in charge of the actual personal
00:17:24.980 safety of the emperor that's extremely powerful isn't it extremely extremely powerful or if you're
00:17:31.800 the one who gate keeps the emperor this is all through Chinese history medieval history all down
00:17:37.840 through history if you can if you're in charge of gatekeeping the emperor and you're in charge of
00:17:41.680 his personal safety. You're very, very close to being as powerful as him. It's in your hands
00:17:47.540 to have him murdered if you wanted to. You're in charge of whether his enemies get access to him
00:17:53.600 and murder him and conduct a coup d'etat. Well, in a de facto sense, you're almost as powerful as
00:17:59.420 him. If not more, you could argue. If you look at the Carolingian Empire, the people that controlled
00:18:05.640 the palace, the security of the palace, eventually became the kings. Story as old as time. Okay, so
00:18:12.480 that's where Diocletian finds himself. Gibbon goes on saying, he distinguished his abilities in the
00:18:17.560 Persian war, and after the death of Numerian, the emperor, the slave, by the confession and
00:18:23.840 judgment of his rivals, was declared the most worthy of the imperial throne. So one of the
00:18:29.200 Emperor's Numerian did in fact get himself killed and usurped and it's none other than the commander
00:18:36.980 of the palace and an ex-consul Diocletian who takes the throne next or is given the throne next
00:18:44.180 the imperial diadem. The malice of religious zeal whilst it arraigns the savage fierceness of his
00:18:51.520 colleague Maximian has affected to cast suspicion on the personal courage of the Emperor Diocletian
00:18:58.980 end quote so something to say there diocletian had a right-hand man this chap called maximian
00:19:05.500 now maximian plays a massive role in our story here the story of diocletian is also the story
00:19:11.360 of maximian okay we talked about the the rule of four which doesn't happen yet it's not for a few
00:19:17.320 years good couple of years yet before this happens but this maximian is one of the augustus
00:19:24.660 the augusti diocletian makes himself and maximian the two senior emperors his colleague
00:19:32.820 as edward gibbon describes it and this maximian is supposed to be very very short he's a true
00:19:39.260 military man a true just uh soldier soldier for anyone or anything ever gets in his way he just
00:19:45.540 destroys them kills them diocletian isn't necessarily like that sometimes he's a bit but
00:19:50.260 he tries to rule as something other than a completely naked military despot, whereas Maximian 0.98
00:19:57.520 doesn't. Maximian doesn't care. Okay, so that's a name to remember. And Edward Gibbon mentions there
00:20:03.200 that Diocletian himself might not necessarily have been, you know, a true soldier in that sense of
00:20:10.480 getting involved in swordplay whenever he can, being the first over a wall, being the first
00:20:16.660 To lead a charge in battle
00:20:18.960 That's the sort of person, kind of 0.94
00:20:21.120 That Maximian was
00:20:22.680 But that's not the type of guy that Diocletian was
00:20:25.240 Historians and scholars have argued about
00:20:28.180 That exactly
00:20:29.760 Because we have some warrior kings
00:20:31.840 And some warrior emperors throughout time, don't we?
00:20:34.260 Like Alexander
00:20:35.200 Julius Caesar himself would get involved in battles
00:20:38.080 Personally get involved in battles
00:20:39.360 Fighting on the front line with his men
00:20:41.160 Diocletian wasn't like that 0.83
00:20:43.560 But probably, or well wasn't
00:20:46.060 And a coward in any way
00:20:48.140 Far from it
00:20:49.180 Politically fearless
00:20:51.020 Okay, Gibbon goes on saying
00:20:52.640 Quote
00:21:16.060 but he appears not to have possessed the daring and generous spirit of a hero who courts danger
00:21:21.880 and fame, disdains artifice and boldly challenges the allegiance of his equals. His abilities were
00:21:28.320 useful rather than splendid, a vigorous mind improved by the experience and study of mankind,
00:21:34.900 i.e. he wasn't a mindless soldier, a mindless butcher, but he sort of studied people and
00:21:39.900 understood human psychology and politics. Gibbon says he had dexterity and application in business,
00:21:47.180 a judicious mixture of liberality and economy, of mildness and rigor, profound dissimulation
00:21:53.740 under the disguise of military frankness, steadiness to pursue his ends, flexibility to
00:22:00.440 vary his means and above all the great art of submitting his own passions as well as those of
00:22:06.320 others to the interests of his ambition and of colouring his ambition with the most specious
00:22:12.100 pretenses of justice and public utility, end quote. It's a way of saying, a very roundabout
00:22:17.820 late 19th century way of saying that he was prudent. He would do what was ever in his best
00:22:24.760 interests or the empire's best interests at any given moment. He wasn't ruled by his passions,
00:22:30.020 that he wasn't massively headstrong or an ideologue he was prudent a politician you might say
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