The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - April 17, 2026


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Trump's relationships with the people who actually delivered him the White House for a second time. Iran and the breakdown in the negotiations between the US and Iran, and what we are going to see in the next phase as the two sides try to get out of the deadlock that they are currently in.

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00:00:00.640 Hello and welcome to another episode of RealPolitik. Actually, I think it's episode 42,
00:00:06.720 meaning that this has been going on for some time now. I'm your host, Firas Maudad. For those of you
00:00:13.080 who came to the live event, I want to say a very sincere thank you. Really enjoyed speaking to so
00:00:18.600 many people. And now we're going to get into the regular topic of discussion on this show, which is
00:00:26.480 what is happening in politics in the world. And I wanted to talk about two things. I want to talk
00:00:32.480 about the implosion of Trump's relationships with the people who actually delivered him the White
00:00:39.880 House for a second time. And then from that, we will move on to talk, obviously, about the topic
00:00:47.420 of the hour, Iran, the breakdown in the negotiations, and what we're going to see in the next phase as
00:00:55.860 the two sides try to escalate to get out of the deadlock that they're currently in. So what's been
00:01:03.360 happening here? Let's see. Here's an interesting detail, by the way, which I thought that I would
00:01:10.580 spend a couple of minutes on. Apple is deleting Lebanese villages from South Lebanon. They no
00:01:19.320 longer exist. In Syria, they show the small villages. In Israel, they show the small villages
00:01:26.780 in Lebanon. It's pretty much being erased. And that is because the Israeli military is doing
00:01:36.100 its best to try to occupy big chunks of South Lebanon. And pretty much every village they 0.58
00:01:41.480 occupy, they just detonate it to smithereens. They flatten it. And so it's interesting that
00:01:48.820 Apple would help with that by erasing even the mention of these villages. And they've made some
00:01:56.300 kind of mealy-mouthed explanation saying that they're upgrading their services, but small
00:02:03.540 villages are showing in Syria. Why wouldn't they show in Lebanon? It's right next door.
00:02:10.080 But what it shows you here is that the Israeli military is really trying its best to occupy 0.53
00:02:14.680 South Lebanon and to try to occupy it fully. And that's one of the reasons the ceasefire broke
00:02:20.680 down, and we're going to talk about that in a second. But it is pretty sinister because it does
00:02:27.120 show that the military-industrial complex, the financial complex, and the technology complex
00:02:35.060 all kind of intersect in Israel. And that itself is quite an issue. And it will
00:02:43.760 help us understand why Trump is making the turns that he's making.
00:02:50.840 In the podcast episode that we just finished today on the, what are we today, on the 13th of
00:02:56.820 of april uh harry had a good segment about the trump administration essentially abandoning rfk
00:03:06.020 and that is obviously because of the money that is obviously because the donor class
00:03:11.420 they decided that no they want to add poison to the food they want to add
00:03:16.300 uh corn syrup in pretty much everything they want to uh get everybody into a becoming a fat soy boy
00:03:25.720 more or less, and therefore the donor class thwarted Robert Kennedy and the Make America
00:03:35.620 Healthy Again movement. And we're seeing the same exact thing in foreign policy. And the reason for
00:03:41.860 that is precisely because of this kind of intersection between various financial interests
00:03:48.160 that always end up running any administration, regardless of who you vote for.
00:03:56.040 And that's kind of what's happening here. 0.98
00:04:00.420 Trump has turned on Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens.
00:04:04.680 Candace Owens, okay, whatever.
00:04:07.180 And Alex Jones.
00:04:09.760 These are the people who delivered him the White House.
00:04:13.120 These are not the people who have been fighting him for years.
00:04:16.520 These are his main allies.
00:04:18.160 they are the frontline shock troops that went around and destroyed the mainstream media and
00:04:26.080 took their audience and convinced that audience that they should vote for Trump. Obviously,
00:04:32.500 other podcasters had had something to do with it. Rogan, most importantly, I suspect. Theo Vaughn,
00:04:40.500 a bunch of others, I think Logan Paul, the people that Trump appeared with. 1.00
00:04:47.200 But these are not, you know, stupid people. 0.98
00:04:53.460 They're actually quite capable people, and the fact that they have an audience demonstrates it. 0.99
00:04:58.220 It means that people think that they have something intelligent to say.
00:05:00.480 And it is rather extreme to call them nutjobs and troublemakers and all of that, and call them low IQ and pretend that Trump won the White House purely on his own, unaided.
00:05:18.740 This is a big misrepresentation of what happened.
00:05:21.500 There was a broad coalition that was built, bringing on people like Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard, played a role in doing this, but so did the podcast circuit.
00:05:36.020 And the fact that these guys are attacking Trump over this war, and he's throwing them under the bus, shows you that he's, as Tucker Carlson said, I guess, more or less a slave now.
00:05:50.300 I just want to listen to this segment for two seconds, right?
00:05:54.480 I've known him for decades.
00:05:55.940 I've always liked him.
00:05:57.360 And I think anyone who spent time with him likes him.
00:05:59.960 I feel sorry for him, as I do for all slaves.
00:06:03.060 He is not free in this moment at all to do what he thinks is best for himself or his country.
00:06:09.220 What do you mean?
00:06:09.900 No, he's, well, he's not free.
00:06:11.400 And we learned that yesterday when Donald Trump announced a ceasefire, clearly with relief,
00:06:17.320 and made its terms or most of its terms public.
00:06:21.520 And then that ceasefire ended within two hours
00:06:23.840 because Israel intentionally violated the terms
00:06:26.820 by attacking not just southern Lebanon,
00:06:29.260 but the city of Beirut.
00:06:31.200 So are you saying he's a slave to Benjamin Netanyahu?
00:06:35.920 I don't think it's as simple as
00:06:37.740 he's under the control of Netanyahu.
00:06:41.100 But, you know, you could summarize it that way
00:06:43.080 and you wouldn't be totally inaccurate.
00:06:44.420 i don't see what tucker is getting wrong here um we're going to talk about how the ceasefire broke
00:06:52.440 down but i don't see what tucker is getting wrong here it seems the issue is that trump is
00:06:58.080 kind of losing control of the situation because he got into a war that he promised that he wouldn't
00:07:05.420 get into. He was always harsh on Iran, understandably so, but it was understood by his supporters that
00:07:14.960 he wouldn't go into this conflict. And now he is, and he's really struggling to get out. And now
00:07:21.280 new MAGA is Mark Levin and Lindsey Graham and Ben Shapiro. And this is not what was promised.
00:07:30.660 and the reason he is unable to fulfill what was promised
00:07:34.940 is because of the donor class's influence.
00:07:37.880 And the fact that you see it in even smaller issues
00:07:40.940 like food policy and what goes into food
00:07:43.420 reflects a fundamental problem with democracy today,
00:07:47.380 which is the extent of influence of the donor class
00:07:50.320 and of money classes and of big institutions.
00:07:54.060 You can't resist that money indefinitely.
00:07:57.860 And if you try to do, I'm relatively sure
00:07:59.980 that there are other means of dealing with you.
00:08:03.300 And so when you look at people like Bongino 0.99
00:08:06.920 losing his balls, essentially, 0.98
00:08:09.480 and going from we're going to reveal everything 0.99
00:08:12.000 in the Epstein files to there were no Epstein files
00:08:14.740 to now backing Trump blindly
00:08:17.280 in this rather unnecessary war of choice,
00:08:22.380 I think part of the conclusion is that these people
00:08:25.240 are being threatened with violence, as Tucker says.
00:08:28.600 And when they're not, they're being co-opted.
00:08:31.020 And when they're not, they're being sidelined.
00:08:34.180 And so what this points to is a fundamental crisis in democracy today.
00:08:38.860 It really doesn't matter how you vote.
00:08:41.760 They will drag you down no matter what you do.
00:08:44.620 I mean, Britain saw the same exact thing with the Brexit vote. 0.97
00:08:47.740 The poster that won the Leave campaign was essentially the poster of the waves of migrants coming into Europe
00:08:55.780 and the caption being Britain's had enough or, you know, we want control of our borders or
00:09:03.020 whatever it was that was said. But it was a pretty striking image of an endless wave of
00:09:07.380 migrants coming in. That's what won Brexit the vote. And then you get the Boris wave. 0.99
00:09:15.080 So there really is no connection between what people want and what people get.
00:09:19.560 And that's the fundamental problem. And Trump knows that he's betraying his base.
00:09:24.580 which is why he's sort of doing crazy things like turning on the pope and attacking the church i mean
00:09:35.080 okay i don't want a pope who criticizes the president of the united states because i'm
00:09:42.080 doing exactly what i was elected in a slant in a landslide to do that's not what you were elected
00:09:48.760 to do mate like that's just not what you were elected to do you're elected to do something else
00:09:54.100 and the donor class has taken control
00:09:56.620 and now, you know, you walked out of Minneapolis,
00:09:59.920 stopped the deportations,
00:10:01.800 you're throwing Robert Kennedy under the bus,
00:10:04.560 the FBI isn't doing the kinds of things
00:10:06.400 that it's supposed to do,
00:10:07.700 there are no investigations into the dark money
00:10:09.680 that's going into democratic circles,
00:10:12.100 meaning that the Democrats can reverse
00:10:14.420 everything that you've done
00:10:15.700 the minute that they win again
00:10:17.600 and you're not trying to fight.
00:10:21.160 The people that you're fighting are actual allies.
00:10:24.100 And that's really a problem.
00:10:25.940 And you see the kind of derangement when the guy posts an image of himself as Jesus.
00:10:32.740 I don't know what to make of this.
00:10:35.280 I don't think anybody who is mentally well would allow themselves to be compared to Jesus Christ.
00:10:42.460 I genuinely don't believe that.
00:10:45.760 It is a sign of losing it if you are comparing yourself to Christ.
00:10:50.560 The whole point of the Christian story is that we are all equally unworthy of Christ's sacrifice. 0.59
00:10:58.620 And to then turn around and say, well, you know, here I am healing the sick.
00:11:05.700 And somebody pointed out that this guy kind of a little bit looks like Jeffrey Epstein.
00:11:11.160 Kind of a little bit, maybe, I don't know.
00:11:15.180 But it's just a strange thing to do.
00:11:19.620 It's just a very strange thing to do.
00:11:22.580 And it shows that given how stuck the guy is, his ego is taking over fully.
00:11:29.660 And we always knew that Trump was a man of a massive ego.
00:11:34.080 But now he's sort of losing control of it.
00:11:37.160 And he doesn't know what to do.
00:11:40.900 So that's the context in which the negotiations between Trump and Iran broke down.
00:11:47.680 And I want to go over what happened, right?
00:11:49.800 You've all seen the 10 points and the 15 points.
00:11:53.500 Samson, if you managed to pull those up, great.
00:11:55.540 If not, no problem.
00:11:57.140 But they were widely divergent.
00:12:00.240 And Trump accepted that the negotiations would happen
00:12:04.120 with the 10 points that the Iranians had issued as the starting point.
00:12:10.080 Meaning that when the ceasefire was initially agreed,
00:12:13.340 And it was agreed that there would then be negotiations that began from Iran's perspective,
00:12:21.780 rather than from the United States' perspective.
00:12:25.220 And Iran's perspective on this was that they would receive compensation for the war,
00:12:30.200 which, let's be real, the Americans are never going to pay them compensation, and they knew this.
00:12:35.180 That the Strait of Hormuz would be under Iranian sovereignty.
00:12:39.920 That's a big problem at the end of the day.
00:12:42.440 that's a very big problem, that the Iranians would retain the right to enrich uranium with limits,
00:12:51.560 with constraints, as had happened with the JCPOA, but it wouldn't be a full dismantling of the
00:12:56.840 nuclear program, and so on and so forth. The American talking points were fundamentally
00:13:05.460 different. The American talking points essentially assumed that the negotiations were there for Iran
00:13:11.520 to surrender. This is why it was a good sign, if you wanted the war to end, that Trump in his own
00:13:23.440 tweets accepted that the starting point of the talks were going to be the Iranian 10-point plan.
00:13:32.800 And this is why it was relatively positive that when the Iranians issued their statement,
00:13:39.040 they acknowledge the existence of the 15 points.
00:13:44.520 And so the two delegations met in Islamabad in Pakistan
00:13:47.540 and there had been some back and forth
00:13:50.300 and talk that they were going to send the delegation,
00:13:54.180 not going to send the delegation, etc.
00:13:56.840 But it was also understood that this would be a comprehensive ceasefire,
00:14:00.720 meaning that Iraq and Lebanon would be included in the ceasefire
00:14:05.400 rather than just being an Iran-Israel-U.S. ceasefire.
00:14:10.840 So that's what happened.
00:14:12.440 And then the delegations met,
00:14:14.560 and it seems that according to the Iranian and the American telling,
00:14:21.240 there was an issue over the nuclear program
00:14:23.760 and over the reopening of Hormuz.
00:14:27.300 Now, if I had to guess,
00:14:29.280 because we haven't seen a credible detailed account
00:14:31.780 of what happened in the negotiations,
00:14:33.200 On the nuclear program, the Iranians would have insisted on, at the very least, retaining enrichment capacity, but under inspection, as had happened under the JCPOA.
00:14:47.900 And it's important to understand the context of the Iranian nuclear program.
00:14:53.900 The Iranian nuclear program began under the Shah.
00:14:57.280 It's not something that was begun by the Islamic Revolution.
00:15:00.200 And the idea behind it always was national prestige, that Iran would be a fully autonomous
00:15:08.700 nation that would have the capacity to get its own nuclear energy if it wanted to.
00:15:17.900 Now, there was always a military dimension to this, of course, but the reporting from
00:15:24.700 the Americans, from American intelligence, is that the Iranians suspended the military aspect
00:15:30.560 of the nuclear program in 2003, which raises the question, why were they enriching beyond the level
00:15:38.980 needed for things like nuclear energy or medical isotopes, three and a half percent for energy and
00:15:46.500 20 percent for some medical isotopes? And the answer was clearly to get concessions from the
00:15:53.720 West by threatening to build a nuclear weapon. It was always a threat. The Americans' own
00:16:01.560 intelligence assessment was that the military aspects of the program had been terminated in
00:16:07.240 2003. So, now the Americans are trying to get the Iranians to fully give up on the nuclear program.
00:16:16.360 But with the Iranians having just been attacked twice during negotiations, where even in the latest round of negotiations, they had made massive concessions on the nuclear program, the Iranians were not willing to make further concessions.
00:16:35.880 for two reasons. One, they wouldn't give the United States in a negotiation what it couldn't 0.67
00:16:44.480 take from them in a war. It makes no sense to give up in talks what you were able to defend
00:16:51.700 militarily. That's kind of the reason why the Ukrainians are being as stubborn as they are. 1.00
00:16:57.860 That's why the Russians are being as stubborn as they are. You don't tend to give your enemies
00:17:04.120 more than you have to. And so, if the Americans couldn't prevent the Iranians through a military 0.99
00:17:09.720 campaign from having a nuclear program, the Iranians weren't going to give up. Second, 0.96
00:17:16.600 the Gaddafi experience in Libya was a pretty terrible one. In the early 2000s, Gaddafi, 0.90
00:17:23.720 the former president of Libya, or president, you know, leader of Libya, shall we say,
00:17:29.080 gave up his own nuclear program, which was far less developed than the Iranian one,
00:17:34.120 it was a bit ridiculous, whatever, but he fully gave it up. And then a few years later,
00:17:41.300 the Americans, the British and the French, attack him, destroy his country, and kill him personally. 0.98
00:17:47.860 And now he and his children are dead. And so what incentive is there for the Iranians to give up 0.88
00:17:57.540 that option, given that they're under attack. Indeed, the incentives have gone pretty much
00:18:03.980 the other way. Now, every country in the region that is worried about the possibility of the
00:18:08.700 Americans or the Israelis attacking them, and most obviously that would be Turkey and Egypt, 0.92
00:18:15.320 these guys have every incentive to get a nuclear weapon. And when you go and you kill the leader 0.99
00:18:20.880 of the country, what you're saying is that the only guarantee that you'll remain president and 0.93
00:18:30.140 alive is if you have a nuclear weapon to deter the other guys. That's the message. So there was
00:18:38.760 no reason whatsoever to expect the Iranians to fully give up on the nuclear program.
00:18:45.440 Go back to a form of the JCPOA with a lengthened timeline?
00:18:50.020 Yeah, they had already conceded that by the 27th of February, the day before the war began.
00:18:57.400 And that's what the Omani foreign minister said, and that's what the Brits have said.
00:19:01.640 So yes, they were willing to give that up.
00:19:05.680 But to the extent of fully dismantling the nuclear program, absolutely not. 0.73
00:19:09.300 And then the other issues on the Trump plan, maybe if you could pull up the 15 points for me, Samson, the other issue on the Trump plan was that the Iranians now have zero incentive to give up their ballistic missile program and their drone program. Zero incentive. 0.59
00:19:27.640 Actually, the war demonstrated the value of the ballistic missile program, and it demonstrated
00:19:40.240 that the ballistic missiles and drones can be used effectively to fight the United States
00:19:47.040 not to a military victory, obviously, but to a military stalemate, which is why the
00:19:54.820 Americans accepted a ceasefire. And so, given that the weapons have been tried
00:20:02.140 and tested, and that it's been demonstrated that the ballistic missiles
00:20:09.160 work quite well and can destroy critical assets and can therefore impose
00:20:15.220 deterrence on the United States, why would the Iranians give these up now, in 0.98
00:20:21.280 in the middle of a battle, when there's still a risk that they'll be attacked again.
00:20:27.880 So the starting positions of the two sides seem to have been incredibly far apart.
00:20:33.960 And with Trump having sold his soul to support Lindsey Graham and Mark Levin and these characters,
00:20:44.720 It seems that he ended up in a position where he said that the Iranian 10 points would be
00:20:51.780 the starting point of the negotiations.
00:20:55.020 But the American delegation arrived in Islamabad in Pakistan to try to enforce the 15 points.
00:21:04.040 And you look at these 15 points, I mean, giving up on the proxy militias.
00:21:09.380 Why would the Iranians give up the Houthi now?
00:21:12.260 would they give up hezbollah or the iraqi militias like what's the logic here for them they were able
00:21:19.500 to force a ceasefire okay they're not going to give up anything else right now and so we've
00:21:28.140 ended up in the situation where it looks like the only option trump has if he's still going
00:21:37.880 to try to pursue these 15 points is to double down and to escalate this conflict again and
00:21:50.140 go back to war to see if he could get more concessions out of the Iranians by pummeling 0.85
00:21:57.200 them even harder. It's possible. It's possible. But it's also guaranteed that the Iranians will 1.00
00:22:05.900 also escalate. And so let's look at where we are now. Now the United States, according to 1.00
00:22:17.180 nice Mr. Donald Trump, has announced that it's going to impose a full blockade on the Strait
00:22:22.360 of Hormuz. That was the first thing that he said, that basically because the Iranians didn't open
00:22:27.840 the Strait, and they didn't open the Strait, let me explain why they didn't. Firstly, because the 0.91
00:22:33.160 the Israelis didn't implement a ceasefire in Lebanon. 1.00
00:22:36.160 Secondly, because that's the only way the Iranians 1.00
00:22:38.500 are going to raise enough revenues 0.97
00:22:40.820 to pay for the damage that they've taken in this war.
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