00:00:00.000Hello, and welcome to another live episode of RealPolitik. I am your host, Firas Moadad.
00:00:08.980Today, obviously, we are going to be talking about the escalation between the United States
00:00:14.040and Iran, and where things seem to be headed. As usual, this is a live episode, so if at any time
00:00:22.040you want to come in and ask questions or whatever, please do. Very, very welcome to. I love answering
00:00:28.240your questions. Let's start with what Steve Witkoff said a couple of days ago, basically going back
00:00:36.740to the mantra that Iran is a week away from making a nuclear weapon. Now, for those of you with a
00:00:43.520short memory, the Israelis have been saying that the Iranians are a few months away, a few weeks away,
00:00:52.040a few days away from being able to make a nuclear weapon since the mid-90s. So this isn't a new
00:00:58.940mantra. However, the significance of it is that it's coming from Steve Witkoff. For those of you
00:01:05.800who don't remember, Steve Witkoff is a real estate developer from New York who's friends with Donald
00:01:11.020Trump and who, along with Donald Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has pretty much taken over
00:01:17.840negotiating on behalf of Trump in Gaza, in Russia, Ukraine, and with Iran. So he's sort of become a
00:01:27.060one-man show State Department bypassing the existing structures of power. And the fact that he's saying
00:01:35.280that the Iranians are a week away from building a bomb is pretty significant. Now, funnily enough,
00:01:41.340even the Jerusalem Post didn't seem to believe him. When Steve Witkoff made that statement saying that
00:01:51.140they could be away from a week away from making a bomb, the comment from the Jerusalem Post was,
00:01:59.660though the envoy left out that Iran currently has no access to its material, the nuclear material,
00:02:05.700no machines to enrich it, and no weapons program to use it for any operational purpose.
00:02:11.340So the Jerusalem Post doesn't believe Steve Witkoff, meaning that he's saying this to build up
00:02:17.460pressure on both Iran and probably the president to get him to come to military action. And as if
00:02:26.180Trump needed encouragement, he reposted a video from Mark frickin' Levin, where Levin was making the
00:02:35.340case for bombing Iran and changing the regime. So they seem to be a little bit on the same wavelength.
00:02:40.140The issue, however, isn't the nuclear program. The issue is the ballistic missile program. And
00:02:48.500that's why it's actually a pretty grim situation. Because Israeli senior officials are saying that
00:02:58.040Israel cannot coexist with Iran's ballistic missiles. The Iranian ballistic missiles are an
00:03:03.840existential threat, not merely a limited military challenge. So the Israelis have come to the view
00:03:10.460after the 12-day war that if the Iranian nuclear program were to, where the missile program were
00:03:16.460to continue, they would be in a position to destroy Israel without needing nuclear weapons. And here you
00:03:23.660see an older discussion from the Jerusalem Post basically saying that given that only 36 of Iran's 550 missiles
00:03:34.820bypassed Israel's defenses, the Israelis wouldn't be able to cope if that number were to multiply. And
00:03:44.900according to the Israelis, the Iranians are building enough of a stockpile for this to become a real
00:03:53.700possibility. So the Israeli estimates are that the Iranians have maybe 5,000, 6,000 missiles in stockpile,
00:04:03.600and that they might be building 100 new missiles every month, meaning that over a couple of years, things with
00:04:12.260Israel, things for Israel would look incredibly grim. The war preparations are increasing on both sides,
00:04:22.080obviously. China has helped Iran shift its communications from whatever rubbish communications they had that left them
00:04:32.820enormously vulnerable to Israel in the 12-day war, to a new set of comms equipment that can allow them to
00:04:44.640cover themselves basically against U.S. infiltration, that can be more secure, that can avoid being detected by
00:04:54.320the Americans. And the reporting is that this began in January of this year, meaning that one would guess
00:05:02.600that not enough progress has been made in order to properly fortify Iran, but they're doing everything
00:05:08.600from providing encrypted communication, to giving them cybersecurity, to making sure that the networks
00:05:15.420that currently exist are properly configured, and so on and so forth, so that Iran would be a lot less
00:05:23.740vulnerable to any future attack. And this is not all that the Chinese are doing. They've sent one of their most
00:05:33.740advanced spy ships called the Liao Wang-1 that is there with a bunch of radars and operating near Iranian shores
00:05:44.520so that it can facilitate communications between China and Iran, with the Chinese signaling essentially that
00:05:51.740they are going to be collecting intelligence on what the United States is doing and then feeding that
00:05:58.740intelligence to the Iranians using the networks that are being provided to Iran to replace the very vulnerable
00:06:06.740networks that they previously had. And this is a pretty advanced ship. It can monitor everything from aircraft to
00:06:13.740satellites to ships. And so the intent on the part of the Chinese seems to be to play the same exact role that the
00:06:23.740United States is playing in Ukraine against Russia. In Ukraine, it's the Americans who are providing the targeting
00:06:29.740and the live intelligence on what the Russians are doing. And the Chinese are kind of signaling to the Americans that they're
00:06:35.740going to do the same to defend Iran. So this looks like it's getting a little more serious and it's escalating.
00:06:45.740And you're seeing the Chinese kind of regularly providing maps on where the Americans are deploying. So what they're
00:06:59.740doing is that they are taking satellite imagery of the bases where the U.S. is sending its forces in the Middle
00:07:07.740East and they're releasing this publicly. And so they're showing exactly how many jets the United States has in
00:07:17.740different bases. This one I believe is in Prince Sultan in Saudi Arabia. They are identifying specifically what kinds of
00:07:26.740aircraft they are. And by releasing this information to the public, they're implicitly saying to the United
00:07:36.740States that, look, we can release this information live to the Iranians to help them fight against you better.
00:07:44.740We're also seeing evidence that the Israeli claims early during the during the 2025 12-day war that they had
00:07:58.740completely annihilated the Iranian air defense are not credible. Because now we're seeing that the S-300s are still
00:08:05.740there in Iran. And we haven't seen much evidence that that the Russians have provided them with new ones,
00:08:13.740nor would they be able to provide them with a lot of new ones in a short time space, given the pressure
00:08:18.740that they're under in Ukraine. Meaning that the Iranians still have some kind of air defense. And it's had its
00:08:25.740communications upgraded. And it's had greater ability to survive a new American onslaught. The Americans are building a
00:08:39.740lot of forces in the region. This gives a good comparison. There is one from the FT and there is one from CSIS, which is a think tank that
00:08:49.740focuses on defense issues and is usually very well regarded by the American defense establishment.
00:08:57.740And the interesting thing here is that the buildup that's actually underway in the Middle East, while very
00:09:05.740significant, it's not as big as the buildup that was there for Desert Storm when Iraq was attacked and kicked out of Kuwait.
00:09:15.740It's not as big as the 2003 invasion of Iraq. And it's not even as big as the Desert Fox
00:09:23.740operation in 1998, where Bill Clinton basically went for a second round against the Iraqis to show that he was
00:09:32.740serious, essentially, and to try to overthrow Saddam on the cheap, which didn't work. So it's a pretty big buildup.
00:09:41.740And you're seeing some serious numbers there. Let me see if I can find this one. This is actually a very good graphic.
00:09:49.740You're seeing two aircraft carriers. You're seeing around 50 different jets that are deployed, F-15s, F-35s, F-16s, F-18s, and a huge naval flotilla.
00:10:07.740And these are all there, obviously, to tell the Iranians how much the Americans love them.
00:10:13.740But it's not as big as previous buildups, which, as we will go through in this discussion, it looks like it's going to be a pretty long campaign where things currently stand.
00:10:29.740So we'll talk about that. The Americas are constantly doubling the numbers.
00:10:35.740They have everything there from electronic warfare stuff to fighters to bombers and reconnaissance aircraft.
00:10:43.740And the idea seems to be to try to overwhelm Iranian air defense early on.
00:10:50.740And this is really the big question. Can the U.S. completely annihilate Iranian air defense and then bomb the Iranians at will for as much as they want?
00:11:00.740Or do the Chinese defenses and the Chinese technology and the Russian air defense systems actually enable the Iranians to better defend themselves?
00:11:09.740Now, you could see from the size of the buildup that the Americans don't expect this to be smooth.
00:11:15.740They are deploying forces all over the region.
00:11:22.740Udayd Air Base, Muwaffaq Salty in Jordan, and Prince Sultan in Saudi Arabia.
00:11:27.740And probably Ndafra in Abu Dhabi, although there has been less intelligence release about that.
00:11:32.740But you can see that the Americans don't really expect this to be easy.
00:11:36.740Otherwise, they wouldn't be concentrating that much forces.
00:11:42.740And yet, at the same time, they aren't concentrating as much forces as they have done in the past.
00:11:49.740And because of the possibility of Iranian missile attacks, they have had to disperse at least some assets away from Udayd Air Base in Qatar.
00:12:02.740And they've had to deploy assets in places like Diego Garcia, obviously, which is going to be critical in this campaign.
00:12:09.740But also in Khania, in Crete, in Greece, where they seem to have concentrated some of their aerial refueling capability and their signals intelligence jets.
00:12:23.740So, it looks like a pretty significant buildup.
00:12:30.740And it's coming with all kinds of new kits.
00:12:33.740The F-16s that have been sent, these are equipped with something called Angry Kitten.
00:12:39.740Now, I don't know who in their right mind would name a weapons system Angry Kitten.
00:12:45.740But what this system does is that it monitors the electronic spectrum to detect where radar signals are coming from.
00:12:54.740And then it spoofs these radar signals and sends false intelligence.
00:12:59.740And that enables aircraft to penetrate a dense air defense network and target it more effectively.
00:13:22.740And these are things that can have a range of 600 kilometers.
00:13:27.740And they would therefore be outside of the ranges of existing Iranian air defense.
00:13:34.740And the idea would be to use those to smash through the Iranian radars and air defense systems so that the other older jets that the US has, like the F-15s and the F-16s, which are not stealth jets, can then be used.
00:13:52.740And they would be dropping this kind of equipment, the J-DAM, which is a guidance kit that fits on any kind of munition and converts it from a dumb bomb to a smart bomb.
00:14:06.740And that would be what the Americans use in order to just take out as many locations in Iran as they believe that they need to.
00:14:18.740Now, the issue is that the Iranians are saying, we are willing to make concessions on the nuclear program.
00:14:28.740We are willing to dilute the highly enriched uranium that exists in Iran, which is enriched to 60%.
00:14:35.740To get it to weapons grade, you need 90%, although some would argue that even with 60% enrichment, you can still build some device, but it would be suboptimal.
00:14:46.740They are saying that they are willing to move some of that stockpile abroad and talk about maybe enriching jointly with other countries in the region while keeping some kind of residual capability at home.
00:15:01.740So, the problem is, however, that from the Israeli perspective, this is not enough.
00:15:08.740They don't want merely Iran to limit its nuclear program.
00:15:14.740They want to get rid of the ballistic missile program, and they want to get rid of Iran's supports for proxies in Iraq and in Lebanon and in Yemen.
00:17:08.740But all of the negotiations are on the nuclear program, and the Iranians are refusing to make concessions on the ballistic missile program.
00:17:18.740It's difficult to see how a deal gets made.
00:17:21.740Then the other side of it is the proxies.
00:17:56.740But the leading families that go and study in Najaf, here in southern Iraq, also go and study in Qum, here in Iran.
00:18:11.740And they are related to each other by blood and by marriage.
00:18:15.740And it's the same in Lebanon, where the clerical families in south Lebanon, the Shia clerical families in south Lebanon, and in the Beqa, this part of the country here where Baalbek is located,
00:18:28.740they also travel regularly, both to Najaf in Iraq and to Qum in Iran.
00:18:35.740So the connections within the Shia community are organic, and they are blood and marriage connections, to the extent that, for example, the founders of Hezbollah adopted the ideology of Vilayat al-Faqih from Iraqi clerics in Najaf,
00:18:56.740before the Islamic Revolution, which made the Vilayat al-Faqih the governing ideology of Iran, had won.
00:19:05.740They picked up, the leadership of Hezbollah picked up this ideology in the 60s and 70s from an Iraqi cleric called Muhammad Bakr al-Sadr,
00:19:17.740before the Islamic Revolution in Iran won.
00:19:22.740And the leaders of what became the IRGC were getting trained in Lebanon at the hands of the Palestinians of Fatah,
00:19:32.740and at the hands of the Shia, before the Islamic Revolution won.
00:19:38.740So these webs of ties and connections between Iran and its proxies are actually very old and very well established.
00:19:47.740And indeed, if you look back at history, when the Sunnis were ruling the entire Levant in the 1300s and 1400s,
00:19:57.740they were worried back then about the connections between the Shia in Lebanon and Iraq, and between the Shia within Lebanon.
00:20:07.740So these connections between the Iranians and their proxies, they didn't happen overnight.
00:20:14.740And they can't be dissolved by government decree because the people in charge are all related to each other by blood,
00:20:21.740and they can't turn their backs on their cousins.
00:20:24.740These are deeply tribal societies, and the relationships between them matter a great deal to them.
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