The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

00:00:00.000 Hello folks, welcome back to another political chat with Dan and I and we are of course going

00:00:05.100 to be talking about the launch of the Restore Party. Big news. Big news and it has been seismic

00:00:11.280 actually. The political environment in Britain all of a sudden has shifted and you can feel the

00:00:16.040 foundations are under attack for the liberal consensus which is why they're calling us

00:00:20.040 racists. Earlier on the podcast Josh was saying that he felt something when this came out but he

00:00:25.500 didn't recognize what the emotion was and because I'm a little bit older I was able to tell him what

00:00:29.740 it was. That's hope. Can't you even imagine? If you're under 35 you won't know what that feeling

00:00:36.880 is like. No although you will know what the simulacrum of it is like if you are voting for

00:00:42.080 the Green Party because Zach Polanski has been grifting on this for a while so I'm offering hope.

00:00:46.780 Hope of what? More of the same actually. More of the same just to a greater extent. So that's not

00:00:52.400 actually hope. That's you honestly being condemned to the future that they have already planned for

00:00:56.800 you. Anyway as you can see this has got nearly 40 million views the announcement video and everyone

00:01:02.420 was profoundly impressed with it and this is one of the things that came across and it was the this

00:01:08.560 style the aesthetic the tone the mood that I think was exactly correct and hit exactly the right note

00:01:14.780 for this to go viral not just in Britain which which where the Americans love it the Americans loved

00:01:20.340 it too. Everyone loved it because this this was really really interesting in that it wasn't

00:01:26.260 spectacle. It felt real. And this is the a follow-up message he put out and again I won't tell you

00:01:34.920 comforting lies it won't be easy there'll be no confetti and pyrotechnics it'll be hard it will hurt

00:01:39.980 it will challenge all of us and what this what this was is the very best of the British aristocracy

00:01:46.280 being represented here. Right. This was a message that was delivered through grim necessity.

00:01:53.080 Yes. This is not fun this is not frivolous. You watch this and you come away with a sense of duty.

00:01:58.440 Yes. My whole life I've had politicians offering me easy fixes. It'll be easy to do this it'll be easy

00:02:04.980 to do that you know you can have more we can we can cut your taxes and give you a whole bunch of

00:02:09.420 social programs we can cut the debt as well why not at the same time and it just isn't real. Yes. And I've

00:02:15.380 watched the country get worse as a result that kind of thinking and he just comes along and says

00:02:19.120 what will be necessary will be incredibly painful and I can believe him he understands that he can't

00:02:26.340 get away with false platitudes. Talking to the electorate as if they're adults. Yes. Not promising

00:02:31.820 the Christmas presents. Literally saying no this is about you picking up the world on your shoulders

00:02:36.640 and carrying it and you'll notice that it's it but it's not a pessimistic message it's no things are

00:02:43.500 bad no we're going to fix them. It's the right kind of hope it's that certain things are going to be

00:02:48.540 hard to build something better instead we just we just we just fed this sort of political version of

00:02:55.540 I don't know sugar or heroin and it's just making us sicker and sicker the whole time. What he's promising

00:03:01.520 is health. Yes. And it's it's not easy to get up and do your exercise when you're you know 200 pounds

00:03:08.900 overweight 200 you know you're massively overweight and you need to go to the gym you need to control

00:03:12.560 your diet you know that you need to do these things and there's only one way out of it you

00:03:16.000 just have to actually do it and that's what Rupert Lowe is promising. We can get back to health

00:03:20.680 that's completely possible we just have to make sacrifices along the way and we just have to

00:03:25.660 understand that this is what needs to be done if we want things to ever get any better and what I

00:03:32.520 loved about this it was not touched by um sort of MAGA spectacle at all now I'm not throwing shade

00:03:39.240 on MAGA or anything like that that's appropriate for America that's the way Americans do things

00:03:43.080 but that's not the way the British do things. Oh there's no fireworks no flames it was a man on his

00:03:47.620 farm it was authentically British. 100% and authentic in what it was as well so when Farage goes out and

00:03:55.000 here's barber jacket or whatever it is well he doesn't own a farm he doesn't go on farms yeah

00:04:00.020 Rupert Lowe does own a farm he actually does work on a farm he has guns he has dogs he has to do things

00:04:06.160 that farmers do. Nigel Farage lives in Bromley which is a borough of London I mean there are

00:04:11.020 some open bits of land near it but not many there's no farms. And he's just not a farmer so when he puts

00:04:18.560 on the aesthetic it's fake but this is a problem that reform have had for a while really is that

00:04:24.640 well they're they are kind of like cross-American spectacle and again I'm not criticizing the

00:04:32.120 Americans for doing the things they want to do and being the way they are but it's not the way 1.00

00:04:36.360 that we are it's not the way we expect things to be I mean you remember him coming on the tractor

00:04:41.020 uh when he uh first announced and I don't actually but do you not remember this this is um when they

00:04:48.400 launched local election campaigns in March 2025 and he arrived on a tractor at a rally uh to show

00:04:54.880 that what he's a guy with a tractor I don't know I don't even know what this is supposed to show

00:04:59.080 but then you've got uh other things like you may remember Andrea Jenkins performing a self-written

00:05:05.100 song called Insomniac at the Reform UK conference like yeah some sort of Butlins performance kind of

00:05:11.920 cringe it's totally cringe what are you doing like you've I've written a song about Insomniac okay why is

00:05:16.700 appropriate for a political conference it's not I just really like to be out here in a sparkly outfit

00:05:22.040 singing as like literally as if I'm on a Butlins and so it's it's not even boomer cringe because

00:05:29.780 this was this sort of thing was considered pastiche back in the 90s by the boomers and and yet there's

00:05:35.180 some somehow still doing it and it's the sort of thing you do with kids on holiday yeah right you have

00:05:40.680 the entertainers for the kids on holiday and the adults sit there getting drunk at the back

00:05:45.660 while the entertainers keep the kids occupied for a couple of hours right I mean you've got them

00:05:51.040 singing your song belt and John with the Chagosians so there's there's been this kind of like at and

00:05:56.760 you see it in Farage's conferences this kind of pseudo-american attempted spectacle that does have

00:06:02.640 confetti and pyrotechnics in fact Nigel has had pyrotechnics at some of his conferences and

00:06:08.720 appearances and it's like okay well I'm sorry but I just think that you're not really touching the 0.95

00:06:13.720 severity of the situation I mean this doesn't scream to me country occupied by foreign rapists

00:06:21.400 right no this doesn't scream to me someone who understands just how bad things are getting in

00:06:27.260 the working communities of this country Rupert is talking about there will be hard choices and

00:06:31.600 it'll be difficult but it's healthy for the long term and reform is giving us this I just don't

00:06:36.960 understand why they've chosen this as their aesthetic anyway I can't I can't tell you the

00:06:42.700 point is people were hungry for an alternative which is why Rupert's video went so viral and why

00:06:50.700 suddenly everyone's like oh finally something so uh restore commissioned a poll from find out now

00:06:56.820 uh the size of thousands so it's not not massive but it's not tiny uh and they showed that the

00:07:03.720 restore would be on 10 percent in this off the bat um the conservatives on 13 percent green party on

00:07:11.080 20 percent which is actually quite significant but reform on 25 percent so a couple of things to note

00:07:16.200 on this I mean first of all um you're going to have to get used I mean obviously we're going to

00:07:20.820 support reform because they're the only real party available restore restore um but um you're going

00:07:26.580 to have to accept that for maybe the next couple of years the pollsters are not going to prompt for

00:07:30.920 restore correct and that is going to understate them quite significantly correct because this this

00:07:35.720 is the issue with polling for anyone doesn't know right um if you were to ask just who would

00:07:42.360 you vote for in the next election and gave no prompts at all a lot of people just say don't know

00:07:46.660 because they just can't think of a political party off the top of their head they just like

00:07:50.040 because most people are not actually very plugged into politics and so the pollsters prompt

00:07:54.040 the series of the major parties and then they'll have other you can write in your own party so up

00:08:00.180 until about six months before the last general election that's what they did with reform as

00:08:04.080 well they didn't prompt for reform and it always suppressed their vote share the second thing I'd

00:08:08.660 say about these numbers is as you can see that 10 percent I think reform would like to imagine

00:08:15.120 that all of the restore vote is coming directly from their vote share yes it's clearly not most of

00:08:21.320 it is coming from people who were like who had already given up on reform as they turn into the

00:08:25.960 Tory party most of it are people who were not going to vote and now are that's a great point 0.78

00:08:31.160 one one thing that um for some reason is just taken for granted in Britain is that 40 percent of the

00:08:37.560 electorate just don't want to vote and I think because at the 2024 election we had a 59 percent turnout

00:08:43.080 yeah and everybody feel everybody just filters it out of their mental thinking when they're talking

00:08:47.240 oh they can never be one back yes they're gone forever so no they're people who look at the system

00:08:52.300 and say nobody here is working in my interests nobody here represents me and now that I can see

00:08:57.920 it's conservatives conservatives in teal or conservatives in red who are also labor in teal

00:09:04.500 labor in blue or blairites is another way or blairites the uni party I don't particularly want to vote for

00:09:09.880 any of them but as soon as you have someone who's demonstrably outside of this consensus yeah well

00:09:14.760 yeah no wonder rupert lowe's got i mean to be fair I was one of those people where the way I was

00:09:18.680 heading was okay I'm probably going to have to vote for reform but I didn't like it I'll hold my

00:09:22.820 nose I suppose yeah like and and I wasn't expecting much it really wouldn't surprise me if we got to

00:09:29.680 the next general election and I just didn't bother yeah so yeah I wouldn't be and this is another

00:09:35.280 point I made in a video the other day when Farage announced that he was taking over reform his video

00:09:41.220 didn't go viral right it got 1.5 million views on twitter uh which out of 2.2 million followers

00:09:48.220 is not that much really um but it didn't set off this firework why not why were people not excited

00:09:55.820 that Nigel Farage is coming back to policy it was only the politicos who cared about that

00:10:00.240 oh this is well beyond the politicos exactly 40 million views this went everywhere right so that

00:10:05.980 that is massive and uh within the first weekend in the first two days we're still bringing up 50,000

00:10:13.340 new members so that's now a sizable political party and then was it today uh it's hit 60,000 so

00:10:21.640 another 10,000 in less than well I'll just point out that I don't know maybe 60,000 people are going

00:10:26.680 to watch this video I'll just ask the question is every one of you have you already signed up and if

00:10:31.360 you haven't go and sign up being specifically the people in Britain having watched this video yes

00:10:36.860 go and sign up um and so that's 60,000 plus in uh well three days basically and that makes them

00:10:44.240 bigger than the liberal democrats uh that makes them the Tories have probably got they claim to have

00:10:48.700 120,000 members but I don't think they have that many members uh I I think the the Tories if we were

00:10:54.340 to say they've got 100,000 that's generous right yeah so this by by the end of the week if numbers

00:11:00.600 continue like this like five to ten thousand people a day they could be passing the conservatives

00:11:04.740 in membership and that is an early sign of health I mean this again oh so much of what we're going

00:11:10.500 to talk about is reform were in a very similar place a few years ago and they had a spike in the

00:11:16.160 number of memberships in the party and at the time the commentariat was saying well they're never

00:11:20.040 going to replace the Tories are they because it's only party membership but no it's a leading

00:11:24.640 indicator yes and and that's the point the health of the movement that undergirds the

00:11:30.520 party how much do people believe in how much they want it how much they're actually going to put

00:11:34.500 their own money in play and actually get out and do stuff and I mean Nigel didn't raise this many

00:11:41.020 people in this shorter time either so and remember it took him years to get to 10 percent exactly

00:11:46.980 and so it it I mean you know interesting moving on uh the Dragon's Den chap Duncan Batania is that

00:11:56.620 Valentine Valentine uh he came out and instantly was like brilliant love to help we'll chat soon

00:12:02.740 so he's got I mean he's got what he's worth what 500 million pounds something like that yeah so he's

00:12:08.140 got now elite backing so he's already broken I think John Cleese is on side I'm not entirely sure

00:12:13.940 like John Cleese will tweet things like this I've got do you think this man's a beautiful be honest

00:12:18.180 it's a picture of Trump with his daughter I don't think that is actually an indication of it but

00:12:23.000 anyway he put he's he reposts a lot of uh boomer slop basically do you like Rupert Lowe yes or no

00:12:29.000 it's like right okay that seems to be positive so I think he's on side if he thinks the other one's

00:12:32.940 negative with Trump giving his daughter a cuddle I mean there's a hell of a lot of people who have

00:12:37.300 been waiting for something exactly like this exactly and uh John Cleese has been on a bit of an anti-Islam

00:12:41.940 anti-gender ideology tear recently and uh as you can see here is Rupert Lowe promising to destroy

00:12:47.400 trans ideology which he has done uh John Cleese uh endorsing it with oh that's a that's a handsome

00:12:53.220 picture of where's oh I think I recognize that um but that's a very uh Chad looking picture of Rupert

00:12:59.860 there as well so um it seems that John Cleese is on side and uh Elon Musk called this ages ago

00:13:06.560 about a year ago now didn't he he was like Farage isn't the guy I like this Rupert Lowe chap

00:13:11.120 well I mean Elon had a sit-down meeting with um Nigel for about an hour and Nigel came out of that

00:13:18.740 meeting and immediately started hinting you know nudge nudge wink wink Elon's going to be giving me

00:13:24.220 100 million dollars something like a million pounds or something or 10 million dollars it was it was it

00:13:29.140 was millions and it was more than more than uh more than one of them and um Elon sat on it and thought

00:13:35.600 about it for a bit and then tweeted out Nigel fraud does not have what it takes yeah and that clearly

00:13:40.840 is not how Nigel thought the meeting went and then he signals boosted Rupert Lowe yes after that

00:13:47.300 and now that Rupert Lowe started the party join Rupert Lowe and Restore Britain he's the only one who

00:13:52.440 will actually do it and everyone knew and honestly credit to Elon Musk for sniffing this out so quickly

00:13:57.120 oh he sniffed it out before we did yeah yeah absolutely I mean to be fair he had an hour meeting

00:14:01.040 with him but you know obviously he's a talented guy so yeah I mean you know you don't get to Elon Musk's

00:14:06.020 position without being able to uh suss people out very quickly yeah you you can't afford to make

00:14:12.540 that many mistakes he insisted on doing all of the interviews at his firms himself up until it got to

00:14:17.580 the point where he had like 100,000 people he just couldn't do it anymore but he's done a hell of a lot

00:14:21.560 of interviews he's very very good at seeing through people yeah and he knew that Farage wasn't the

00:14:25.480 guy and he's correct uh Katie Hopkins come out just full-throated I mean Katie Hopkins has a million 1.00

00:14:30.360 and a half followers so this is like um I guess we call it sort of the normie sphere online right

00:14:36.520 so there's there's different levels of online right we're like a sort of you know intellectual elite

00:14:41.240 online right well we are we we're you know we're academic scholars we we we read a lot of books Katie

00:14:47.280 Hopkins isn't but that doesn't make her any less valuable um you know she's still an incredibly

00:14:51.780 valuable sort of ally to have uh and so you've got basically I mean one of the things that was

00:14:56.940 remarkable on the day is just the entire online right was just like this is it yeah this is what

00:15:01.300 we want I was expecting to see more back and forth but no it was just uniform and it was the only and

00:15:06.060 the only people who were against it those with a sunk cost into reform yes like all of those people

00:15:11.680 who Farage has kept very much on the fringes but it's kind of you know they get on gb news right so

00:15:18.160 Farage is obviously in control of what online influencers can go on gb news and so you got

00:15:22.980 adam essex going on because he's very normie very uh unoriginal in his thinking and so he's allowed

00:15:29.720 to give the restore the reform center right perspective you've got a way a great way of

00:15:35.180 describing this what do you say it's something like he's got his levies or something like that

00:15:38.960 yeah he's he's got a particular sort of um like cadre around him um but but you'll notice even

00:15:46.800 they're they're they're kept really arms like though why why doesn't uh nigel Farage ever go 0.76

00:15:52.360 on any of their shows right you can just zoom in yeah so like adam essex's show i assume he has one

00:15:56.760 he really doesn't like the online world he doesn't he hates it he's completely a creature of the

00:16:01.540 mainstream media um and so like you know darren grimes was kept at arm's length for ages like if

00:16:06.160 darren grimes is someone who okay fine we'll let him run to be a counselor it's like that what

00:16:12.000 yeah come on elon uh elon um nigel you know come on like what what are you doing man why are you so 0.95

00:16:19.420 standoffish about the people who should be your core support he's incredibly snobbish about media

00:16:24.040 for some reason yes he is um so it's only those people who i see going against restore everyone

00:16:31.940 else is just like brilliant finally we've got something we can actually reliably back and it's

00:16:36.580 because fundamentally the locus of attention and focus of restore is in the british people

00:16:43.180 themselves i mean rupert loeb put it in the video perfectly this is britain and we will do things

00:16:47.300 our way right that's not say we're not going to have friends and allies and all this but whatever

00:16:52.080 it is it comes secondary to us concerning ourselves first and that's something that literally none of

00:16:59.640 the other parties can say which is why the entire online right was for i mean like asmongold 0.99

00:17:03.320 was thrilled i won't play it but he's just like yes i would vote for this guy this guy's amazing i'm

00:17:08.180 like yep great love it i mean there's what there's one or two standout moments in there i mean we we

00:17:12.260 talked about them uh with one of them which is this would be painful that made it real and the other

00:17:17.500 one is if you had to remember another line from this without watching it again the other one you're

00:17:21.460 going to go to is that our women and children must be safe yes and if that means millions must go home

00:17:26.940 millions must go home and all the people who watched it and i'm i'm i'm sure asmogold will just

00:17:32.400 light up at that moment he does in fact you should have seen the eyebrows you should have seen bow's

00:17:37.900 face i know i did i did i mean it was yeah happy thoughts yeah and but this is what everyone has

00:17:43.960 known has to be the way forward and again it's it's the maturity with which rupert lowe puts this

00:17:49.620 across yes none of the childish frivolousness of reform there was not a single gimmick in that

00:17:55.680 entire thing nothing it was all just i live on a farm and i'm going to tell you what i think britain

00:18:00.040 needs and everyone was like oh thank god an adult has finally returned to politics and he's telling

00:18:04.380 us he's treating us like adults and he's telling us how things are and you know what they're going

00:18:08.440 to be rough and we know because the country's in such a state we know i mean meanwhile of course

00:18:14.220 rich bloody tice is talking about a sovereign wealth fund he didn't even mention the oil either

00:18:19.000 didn't mention it what wealth we don't have any wealth we're running a yearly hundred million

00:18:27.860 sorry hundred uh million pound deficit well what are you gonna and and and we talked about this

00:18:33.440 earlier the only thing you could possibly do was the north sea oil he doesn't mention it yeah didn't

00:18:37.660 bring it up he he talked about steel for some reason but it's as if steel is a big money maker for

00:18:43.560 britain it's still is something you have to subsidize but i mean it's this it's this fantasy

00:18:48.340 of don't tell me comforting lies tell me the truth and only one person has done that yeah and we we can

00:18:55.020 bear it whatever it is we can bear it we will we will be fine with it but um but anyway so the

00:19:00.480 online right very very happy with all of this uh there are lots of people saying well look actually

00:19:05.740 a bunch of the people i know are talking about this because again 40 million views yeah it's a lot

00:19:12.880 but it's not just 40 million views on x um again like a lot of the online say no people are you know

00:19:20.600 genuinely excited about this but well quickly on that point on x because that is a line that a lot

00:19:24.900 of people have pushed back on they say oh people on x know who rupert lowe is but nobody else does

00:19:29.040 okay first of all x has a third of british adults on it yes and a hundred percent of the journalists

00:19:36.040 right and also that i'm pretty i mean i don't use facebook i'm pretty sure it went over to facebook as

00:19:41.620 well well yeah i mean we'll we'll talk about rupert and that's and that's where all the normies are

00:19:46.120 yeah okay the third that aren't on x most of them are going to be on facebook rupert lowe has an

00:19:51.980 insanely good social media game and he has done for quite a while now um on basically every platform

00:19:57.960 uh honestly tiktok is probably the weakest platform but uh on facebook especially very very powerful

00:20:03.720 you can see there 882 000 followers um but the interaction with his post is amazing like this was 0.93

00:20:10.780 posted an hour ago if you want to support foreign gang rapists and evil cockroaches are allowed to 0.94

00:20:14.600 happen join restore britain nearly 4 000 likes uh two hours ago 12 000 likes message to reform members

00:20:21.460 uh three hours ago 26 000 likes farage admitting which things we'll get to right and and we are in

00:20:28.380 the middle of a work day here as well so exactly we're in the middle of the work day yeah so like

00:20:32.080 this this is and you know i've got a successful facebook page that gets like 25 million views a month

00:20:38.280 this will be hundreds of millions this is going under the radar because it's not as

00:20:44.460 politically salient as exits right well you know what he's cut through in social media is because

00:20:48.840 he because he's an mp in the register of members interests they have to disclose their earning from

00:20:53.940 social media he's earning more from social media not that he's doing it for the money of course it's

00:20:59.200 just a function of attention but he's earning more from social media than all the rest of the mps put

00:21:03.200 together including farage including farage and farage should be bombastic on social media but of course

00:21:09.900 he's not he hates it exactly he doesn't like it he's not a social media guy so anyway as you can

00:21:15.640 see uh rupert lowe is doing so well on in in the public discourse because he has a really large

00:21:22.080 presence now this um is i've seen these tiktoks going around but i had looked on tiktok and i

00:21:27.700 actually thought tiktok was the uh sort of smallest in uh places made impacts but you know zoomers get on 0.87

00:21:33.360 it we need those edits uh anyway so what was what was the impression on say the betting markets what did

00:21:39.900 this well um surprising to be honest uh on bet 365 uh so who's going to get the most seats the

00:21:48.420 next general election well reform was six reform was 64 labor 8 13 to 8 conservatives 5 to 1 greens

00:21:55.580 10 to 1 restore 16 to 1 above the liberal democrats at 33 to 1 not a bad start liberal democrats are

00:22:03.400 forecast to get around 80 seats in the next election i mean this is this interesting but

00:22:10.980 it actually gets better from there um yesterday william hill had who would be the next prime

00:22:17.600 minister as you can see angela rayner west streeting ed miliband nigel farage all uh jockeying for the top

00:22:23.940 position you've got john healy shibana mahoud andy burnham for sort of like the second place and then

00:22:31.440 you've got alice cairns david lammy yvette cooper rupert lowe all on 16 to 1 well i mean if you take

00:22:36.900 out the labor ones who are on the list because starmer might be forced out when the rent boy trial

00:22:43.060 goes ahead um before the end of the term the only other two names on there that isn't a labor name is

00:22:48.220 is nigel farage and rupert lowe in second place yeah or uh kemi badenock at 20 to 1 oh it's kemi on

00:22:56.400 zach polanski at 25 okay kemi's below rupert yeah kemi is below rupert and zach's below and

00:23:02.660 zach polanski and of course jeremy corbyn right at the bottom so rupert lowe has just instantly come

00:23:06.720 in knocking off the conservatives the greens and your party so it's literally it's reform and labor

00:23:14.000 that he has to fight and anyone who has any doubt on this i mean bear in mind that the idea that a

00:23:19.340 labor government wouldn't be followed by a conservative government would have been considered

00:23:22.680 ludicrous just a few years ago and and now kemi isn't even in the running anymore so if reform can

00:23:28.900 do it to the tories whilst becoming the tories yes i think somebody who's actually authentic and

00:23:35.980 actually articulates the right wing position can do it and has come ready made with a huge

00:23:42.560 uh sort of halo of media right all of the sort of online right are just like yep he's the guy

00:23:49.040 promote the message spread the word but this this was yesterday's numbers these are today's numbers

00:23:55.260 we can see rupert lowe's at 12 to 1 yeah so now he's above david lammy and yvette cooper and alistair

00:24:00.820 cairns i mean i mean there is an element to this this is not a prediction this is just weighting the

00:24:05.640 amount of money that comes in into the bookies and there's a certain amount of enthusiasm here but

00:24:09.720 nevertheless it is a very positive sign nevertheless it's going to cost them money if they're wrong right

00:24:14.160 uh and so he put some pole position with andy burnham again like these people have money writing

00:24:20.320 on this so they take this sort of thing very seriously like i said it's not a prediction so

00:24:24.560 who knows and then you've got like most seats in the next election restore 20 to 1 interesting you

00:24:29.500 know better than the liberal democrats of course so these these are just very interesting um positions

00:24:34.620 so you have the sort of die hard reform supporters who honestly are kind of panicking like alex

00:24:41.160 phillips farage's ex-mistress has been a die hard supporter of his and she's like well i just don't

00:24:47.440 understand i think this will get amplified by bots it's going to split the vote and morgoth just takes

00:24:53.120 it to town and says look right you don't seem to understand right you are within the citadel

00:24:57.440 fretting about the barbarians outside yes why is it possible i replied to her saying why is it possible

00:25:04.060 that a massive right-wing insurgent force could attack farage from the right how is that possible is

00:25:10.320 that is a good question isn't it it's ridiculous right how is it possible that farage could have

00:25:16.060 somehow decided i don't need all of these people these people are a big waste of my time and actually

00:25:22.800 unlike trump who created just the largest tent you can imagine and just brought everyone in

00:25:26.740 and said no you're all on my team now you're all going to be spreading the word we're going to build

00:25:30.640 a wall in mexico well what farage did is he i mean first of all he actively hates the online right

00:25:36.660 he's got rid of them then his own supporters he he so much takes them for granted his own mps he

00:25:43.340 expelled from the party to what is two or three he's expelled now oh i lose count but exactly i mean

00:25:49.380 if if anyone just goes and has a conversation with their local reform branch um they are furious the way

00:25:56.520 they're being treated they get dictated to yes everybody is taken for granted yes include including the

00:26:03.700 voters and and he's been moving further and further to the left to try and position himself

00:26:09.080 and this is and and it's crazy because this is what the tories did the tories tried to position

00:26:14.120 themselves one inch to the right of labor and they actually miscalculated and ended up to the left of

00:26:19.700 labor and and and reform are trying to do the same thing they're trying to position themselves as close

00:26:24.560 as possible to the center because in in normie world that's how you win an election the dwindling

00:26:30.380 center actually i don't think controls the ebb and flow of political discourse anymore like the

00:26:36.840 the dwindling center like this was always farage's power is to attack the center from the right with

00:26:43.420 brexit right for example the centrist consensus is we're never gonna leave you what are you mad

00:26:47.880 that'd be insane and farage banged that drum and suddenly from the right he's attacked the center

00:26:54.720 successfully and overthrown their order and then immediately abandoned the right immediately

00:26:59.760 and now we've got a perfect opportunity to attack the center from right because of this 40 dispossessed

00:27:06.540 vote that probably wants to come out but has nowhere to go and farage has decided i don't need any of

00:27:12.420 you well they came out once they came out for brexit yep and no lessons were learned from that

00:27:16.480 apparently not and now farage has put himself in the position that the center the camera knight

00:27:22.420 blairite center was in when he was attacking them yeah and this is what morgoth is pointing out and so

00:27:27.680 it's it's really it speaks to a real lack of fundamental strategy for farage that he is looking

00:27:34.320 for the approval of the center all the time even though they hate him they've called him a fascist

00:27:39.380 they've called him a racist they've called all sorts of things and in order to make sure that he could 0.90

00:27:44.000 weather those attacks emotionally it seems he decided no everything on the right is essentially my enemy

00:27:50.280 but i assume they'll never find a political voice i assume that gammonzilla will never have political

00:27:56.820 representation and again it is exactly the mistake the tories made and he he just repeated it in he

00:28:02.260 speed run it i don't get it well that's that's why i created this meme uh it's 2026 yes right wing

00:28:09.920 party is calling me a racist just like they did in 2019 just like they did in 2016 just like they did

00:28:16.200 in 2014 with the rise of ukip like whatever year we're in the right wing party is calling me a racist

00:28:23.660 and is that really the the culmination of 35 years of a political career for nigel for arch

00:28:30.460 so that you can be called racist by somebody wearing a turquoise rosette instead of a red one

00:28:36.160 yes actually so here's alex phillips on talk tv on her show uh just calling everyone racist basically

00:28:44.320 restore britain believe british people are an ethnicity we are a race we are a demographic

00:28:49.920 every other political party has a nebulous view of britain and british people okay so if british

00:28:57.300 people are a race my stepsister is not british then i'm sorry i just don't what's the issue i don't

00:29:07.640 understand nobody's saying that your stepsister isn't a good person but but it would suggest

00:29:14.300 i mean i don't know the woman i don't know who i i looked at her i couldn't find out who her

00:29:17.640 stepsister would suggest that if she's not british well she's not british but she's obviously married 0.82

00:29:22.220 your dad yeah or you know but what's what's the issue i mean there's nothing wrong or or you know

00:29:29.720 inaccurate yeah what's being british and there's nothing wrong with not being british

00:29:33.880 but you either are british or you aren't we literally do genetic tests and we can tell

00:29:39.780 where your genes cover i mean like you got 100 britain and ireland and i got something like 80

00:29:45.400 britain and ireland because i know that i've got british empire genes in me right but the point is we

00:29:51.980 we know objectively where the origins of our ancestries are but you don't even you don't even

00:29:59.020 need that so so it wasn't that long ago um when would it have been maybe 50 years ago that oh maybe a

00:30:04.660 bit longer ago now when the indians kicked out the british out of india they managed to do it 1.00

00:30:08.900 without dna tests yeah they stipulated british people are leaving and did on the way they look

00:30:13.840 and and and somebody like alex will want to go to now well it's impossible unless you dna test no

00:30:19.080 it's not the indians did it 50 or 60 years ago it happened in the early in well from around sort of

00:30:26.720 1920 to around 1960 right there were all number of mass deportations germans out of poland after world

00:30:34.880 war ii greeks and turks out of greece and turkey after the end of the ottoman empire and things like

00:30:39.860 this so this is this is and britain decolonization france decolonization from north africa indians out

00:30:46.440 of uganda from british decolonization and to be clear lo is not even going anywhere near anything

00:30:52.820 like that no no obviously he's talking about the rapists and the people who don't contribute

00:30:58.700 anything but notice how she's not even on that point she's like no she's she yeah what is a

00:31:03.900 british person a british person is anyone who happens to be in britain as far as alex is arguing

00:31:10.300 here and she wouldn't dare make this argument about any other group no of course but what's the

00:31:15.500 difference between her argument and zach polanski's argument this is exactly zach polanski's position

00:31:21.720 which she's denying the existence of the british as a people yes which is exactly zach polanski's

00:31:27.700 position it's no different to the radical lunatics in the green party who want every single person

00:31:31.860 on earth brought here she's like well i mean there is no no such thing as a british i mean i just don't

00:31:35.940 understand you're saying it's about ancestry it's like how do these ancestry.com or like you know my

00:31:41.560 family my heritage how do these websites exist if there's nothing that i'll give you an answer because

00:31:47.820 i don't i don't believe that she believes this for a minute and and the left have done this for years

00:31:51.800 they said oh it's impossible to define what british is yeah i'll give you an example um about a week

00:31:56.840 ago who's that chap um jim radcliffe was it and he yeah he made these comments and all of a sudden

00:32:02.900 lefties started posting images of the manchester football team yes with most of them blacked out

00:32:07.980 and said so so this is your football team without immigration so the moment it suits them they 1.00

00:32:13.960 instantly know who's british how yeah how did you choose to black out those people and not the other

00:32:19.000 guys because by your own logic is impossible to tell you and yeah exactly you know and we know and we

00:32:24.900 know that you know alex yes so this pretending well i just don't know how you can tell if someone's

00:32:29.940 british or not well i don't believe it and it's not going to wash uh and it's literally just you 0.63

00:32:35.380 being able to do this saying you know what we're the right-wing party but you're a racist no that's

00:32:39.980 a libtard argument you're a liberal you're just a liberal you're not right-wing you are part of the 0.97

00:32:44.360 uniparty consensus where you think that belonging to a place is you adhering to values if i don't adhere

00:32:50.900 to blair's creation of british values then somehow i'm not british you remember we covered this the

00:32:55.140 day with some indian guy going matt goodwin's not british because he doesn't adhere to british values 0.56

00:32:59.600 well it turns out he does i mean he he backed the reform party line on this which is you're a racist 0.51

00:33:05.680 uh so it turns out actually he is british by that standard but anyway moving on you've got a lot of

00:33:10.940 panic on the left of course because um restore britain we're like uh having a british passport doesn't

00:33:16.180 make you necessarily british which is obviously true given the way that our government administratively

00:33:21.680 pours out british passports right and going back to my previous point about the the manchester united

00:33:27.280 football team a lot of them have got british passports but again the left instantly understood

00:33:31.740 yep no yeah but then you've got yeah people like medi hassan who's like well hang on a second he's

00:33:36.220 saying i'm not british i mean your name is medi hassan and your parents are from hyderabad so yeah fyi

00:33:41.480 anyway so and that doesn't even mean that rupert is going to deport medi no of course it doesn't

00:33:47.140 rupert's like criminals need to go yes and so okay the and medi is obnoxious but i don't think he's

00:33:53.780 part of a grooming i don't think he's a threat to my children no i don't think he's ever been a part

00:33:57.560 of a grooming gang and he lives in america so there's that you're not going to get deported

00:34:01.460 because you're not even in the country yes um you know it's it's not steve laws that's in charge of

00:34:07.600 restore um but this is the point isn't it like because what's rupert said um criminals who are

00:34:13.740 part of the grooming gangs or knew about the grooming gangs yes should leave we should force 0.96

00:34:18.440 them to go yes and i think the other group was people who contribute nothing who just suck up 0.88

00:34:22.560 money on on obviously yeah welfare parasites obviously that we don't need them and i would 0.70

00:34:28.440 just say alex does did your sister participate in or know about the grooming gangs is she living 0.94

00:34:35.500 in social housing getting like 30 or 40 grand a year so if no stop worrying about it so i assume

00:34:42.220 that uh because it's her stepsister so her dad must have got divorced at some point something like that

00:34:47.400 yeah remarried some woman and she has a step step sister now who i assume they this was when they

00:34:53.980 were adults as well uh who is probably like italian or something you know i don't know where a step

00:34:59.320 sister's from but not british right yeah clearly uh and so she's like it's my step ridiculous anyway

00:35:04.380 let's let's go back to faraj because he did uh a series of announcements today uh big um

00:35:11.660 i'll skip through it so you can see it um big thing where you know he's got all the razzmatazz

00:35:19.200 he's got a huge room and they're on lecterns or podiums or whatever uh they've got lecterns and

00:35:23.940 they're on podiums uh announcing his shadow cabinet and this was kind of weird because it's one of those

00:35:28.900 things where it's like why have you made these choices and we'll have a bit of a tangent on this

00:35:34.740 because this isn't relevant to the important bits but it was just really bizarre so uh we didn't see

00:35:39.620 nadim zahawi because we thought he would be the foreign secretary he wasn't brought out

00:35:43.140 no nadine dorries and no lee anderson okay interesting you've got very narrow cadre of

00:35:50.500 people around you nigel yeah you took nadim zahawi because he was good at raising money 0.98

00:35:55.420 he's a businessman which i'm sure he is what job did he get none everyone thought well i mean it

00:36:03.300 was rumored that he was going to be foreign secretary it's like nigel foreign secretary

00:36:06.920 doesn't mean hire a foreigner he's literally from another country no that's for the home office

00:36:12.860 yeah exactly well we'll get to that in fact yeah yeah we'll get to that um but one of the things

00:36:18.980 that was about it was interesting about this is surprisingly effective press questions uh we'll

00:36:23.260 come to some of those the press did they ask about restore we'll get to it but it's not just restore

00:36:29.380 either there were other points that they were particularly strong on actually loathe am i to

00:36:34.540 give the british press any credit no but they actually have some quite pointed questions that faraj had

00:36:39.280 real trouble answering but we won't worry about them they're for another time so uh here's the

00:36:44.120 guardians coverage of it um which is just to save me time finding uh tabs and links um so rich richard

00:36:51.720 tice is the uh uk's department of business trade and energy it's like okay that makes sense i guess

00:36:58.580 you know tice a businessman uh this is where the desire for the sovereign wealth fund has come from so

00:37:05.060 okay that's fine that makes you know he tends to bring that up but he's a re-industrialized britain

00:37:10.400 notice there's no mention of north seat oil there are we not gonna well where is this wealth coming

00:37:16.060 from i don't know get it only fans i mean what well what is the source of this wealth you know you know

00:37:21.220 we're gonna ask uh well we're gonna have to ask the chancellor of the exchequer obviously

00:37:24.240 who do you think the logical choice for that is um is that is i yusuf did you get that no it was

00:37:35.120 robert jenrich who got that yeah robert jenrich jenrich's a lawyer he's trained in law jenrich is not

00:37:45.640 an economist richard tice is an economist or at least has a business background nadeem zahawi has a business

00:37:53.360 background robert jenrich is a lawyer and robert jenrich's real profile has been built on cultural

00:37:59.640 issues i mean if you put a lawyer in the treasury they're just going to get railroaded because the

00:38:06.700 officials are going to come to him and say look you have certain obligations and you need to do this

00:38:10.480 you need to do that and it's legally required and it will just it will be it will be the civil

00:38:15.020 service running it correct why would you put jenrich in charge of it well i mean the shadow chance

00:38:23.000 is the most senior position that's true so and it looks like farage is teeing him up as the

00:38:28.460 successor doesn't it but he's not in charge of the party zia yusuf who is co-leader of the co-owner of

00:38:34.820 the party so bizarre i like who knows what the the rationale for this kind of decision making is

00:38:41.380 but it's not robert jenrich's proven economic noose and time-tested economic advice is it yeah like

00:38:50.160 there's a bizarre choice anyway moving on zia yusuf gets to be the home secretary or the shadow home

00:38:55.840 secretary of course so they we've currently got shibana mahmoud a muslim woman and farage is like

00:39:01.020 good point we just want a different kind of muslim well the last seven home secretaries 0.96

00:39:06.780 with the exception of yvette cooper have all been fallen the thorn extraction

00:39:13.000 is it yeah i didn't realize it's that i've got i've got the list so go on i didn't realize it was

00:39:20.060 that what is going on why do we have to have i can't be true no i'm gonna i'm gonna read you the list

00:39:27.840 all right sorry for the dead air people but go on um so javid so pakistani extraction patel

00:39:43.560 indian extraction yeah braverman indian extraction um snaps oh yeah yeah um cleverly yeah um cooper

00:39:53.580 the one british one vet cooper yeah mahmoud yeah and then if this goes ahead um yusuf so that would

00:40:00.200 be yeah eight home secretaries only labor managed to put up a one-time british so the home the home 0.98

00:40:08.640 secretary is anything but the home secretary yeah so for anyone doesn't know the home secretary deals

00:40:13.580 with um uh the internal political decisions regarding the sort of um infrastructure of the country well and

00:40:21.300 crucially who gets to come into the country yeah well yeah yeah exactly they run the home office

00:40:25.160 so they issue passports uh they're probably responsible for deportations actually as well

00:40:29.560 yes they are um they and various other like you would think kind of mission critical functions for the

00:40:36.680 internal harmony and stable stabilization of the nation and i bet i understand why the tories

00:40:41.680 because a number of those are told racist exactly so the thinking is and and and this is almost

00:40:47.400 certainly what nigel farage has done as well he's thinking i might actually like to do a few

00:40:52.400 deportations so i need to put a brown person in the as home secretary so that isolates me from attack 1.00

00:40:58.960 but what the tories did is they never actually did any yeah and i suspect it's going to be the same

00:41:03.580 with farage as well he he's put a brown person in to isolate him from cries of racism and then he

00:41:09.240 won't actually do it yeah the next one is swell braveman uh who gets to be the education minister

00:41:16.340 okay that's not a that's not particularly senior role but no but also it's important but also

00:41:23.460 it's just weird because again she is a lawyer right now what there's there's a department for the 0.57

00:41:29.940 judiciary like why wouldn't she be put in charge of anything like that because her her main problem 1.00

00:41:37.240 the reason she uh was forced out of the conservatives is because she was going to rishi sannak in her own

00:41:44.100 account of things and saying i know what the laws are i'm a lawyer we need to get rid of these laws

00:41:48.540 so i can fix things and rishi sannak was like no i'm not going to do that what why is he playing

00:41:53.660 everybody out of position it's like i don't know because i look at this and just think like i said

00:42:01.460 earlier the the the permanent secretaries the civil service are going to end up railroading these

00:42:06.860 people because they're playing out of position yeah yeah so like sorry i'm just i want to get

00:42:16.700 the actual um the ministry for justice obviously right you would think that she'd be in the ministry 0.99

00:42:21.660 of justice right or generally could be in the ministry of justice these are people who trained

00:42:24.960 as lawyers yes why yeah as you say they're being played out of position which is just like okay but

00:42:29.620 what what is the rationale for this well i can't think of a based explanation but i can very

00:42:35.800 easily think of a containment explanation well yeah interesting i mean she she says that she's

00:42:41.580 going to be the equalities minister but we'll scrap it immediately you're going to scrap your own

00:42:46.320 position in government are you i think it's going to happen i mean she should but yeah obviously should

00:42:51.560 but they they should they should be like we're not going to appoint an equalities minister because

00:42:56.100 we're scrapping the position like why would we appoint you know one of our few people

00:43:01.420 the the experienced people in government and again if you go back like these are the experienced

00:43:06.560 people in government well zia yusuf doesn't have any experience and the home secretary is a really

00:43:10.220 important role like jenrich's got experience but not as the chancellor yeah what are we doing here

00:43:18.000 like richard tice doesn't have any experience as business secretary but i mean don't get me wrong i

00:43:23.200 actually think this is one of the few ones that actually makes sense i've i have had a notion

00:43:27.520 gone um every so often you get these rumors swirl around that faraj has told people privately that

00:43:35.360 he doesn't want to be the pm he wants to be out of the position before the next general election

00:43:40.280 so he's passing on to jenrich that could be it

00:43:44.120 because i mean being being a pm is a hell of a job very demanding and we we know that he's not a young

00:43:54.860 man anymore no well and and also he had he had that plane accident a few years back and he's never

00:43:58.960 been the same since and he's probably pushing himself to do what he's doing now no doubt he's

00:44:05.600 always busy so the only way that i can find that this makes sense is because he's just putting people

00:44:11.120 he he's arranging people so that their perceived seniority counts towards who wins the leadership

00:44:18.820 election after him i can only assume but the all of the rhetoric of well we needed these conservatives

00:44:25.080 because they have experience in government no i'm not going to make robert jenrich the immigration

00:44:28.760 minister over the department that he actually headed when he was the conservative immigration

00:44:34.520 minister and was responsible for overseeing the boris wave we're going to hire people for

00:44:37.960 experience so they're not using the experience exactly like the argument for okay we need them

00:44:42.220 for their experience well okay well you've got to put them back in the position he was in

00:44:44.740 and then give them the power to do what he actually wanted to do yes but no i'm not going to do that

00:44:49.100 and they could hit the ground running because they because they know exactly what to do they know the

00:44:53.500 personnel they know the stumbling blocks they might actually achieve something in the first hundred

00:44:57.180 days what did sweller do she was the home secretary i'm going to make her the minister for education 0.99

00:45:02.660 no you need to make her the home secretary because you're here for the experience yes you're here

00:45:07.640 because you have direct experience of that if you're going to use the experience why did you blow up your

00:45:11.920 reputation of being an outsider by hiring the tory party what are you doing i just can't understand

00:45:17.180 it it's so nonsensical i'm going to put jenrich in charge of the chancellor and just it doesn't make

00:45:23.640 sense you're not using the experience that you claimed you needed these people for so total nonsense

00:45:30.420 but the reason i'm bringing all the subs because it was after this um very strange press conference and

00:45:36.620 series of announcements that nigel started taking uh answers a question from the press and so the

00:45:42.620 question is well has nigel been challenged on rupert loan reform uh restore and the answer is yes now

00:45:49.800 it's not just nigel as you can see here uh zia yusuf was challenged on gb news about rupert uh this was

00:45:56.320 two days after it was uh launched and he conceded that yeah we might have to do a deal with them

00:46:01.720 and that's very interesting like a day two well maybe we'd have to do a deal no nigel would never 0.92

00:46:07.880 do a deal right but well unless he's not leader by the by the next election great point but uh but

00:46:13.960 zia yusuf is the one who's accusing uh rupert lo of murder him in the police complaint yes he put in

00:46:20.840 the police complaint there's that rupert lo threatened to murder me so i can't see him doing a deal with

00:46:25.880 rupert lo and it was really weird this just doesn't get brought up on this i mean for the time's sake i

00:46:30.780 won't play it but um you know weird but okay and then on the campaign trail farage was asked about

00:46:39.060 low and he said well it's out of absolutely no interest to me whatsoever of course it wouldn't

00:46:43.860 be why would you want rupert lo coming back when he goes to christmas past he's he's got no good

00:46:49.120 answer here that's probably the best answer that he can give is just just shrug it off because if he

00:46:53.660 gets into the details he's going to get in trouble well so he should stick to that well he ended up having

00:46:59.680 to get into the details oh dear because like i said the uh the press actually asked some good

00:47:03.740 questions let's watch this thank you uh moving on to rhiannon from the press association

00:47:09.160 hi rhiannon from the press association your former colleague and friend rupert lo has just launched

00:47:18.380 restore britain are you feeling threatened at all by restore britain and particularly now he's had the

00:47:25.860 backing of elon musk and it could split your vote i'm just gonna skip about a minute of him waffling

00:47:33.200 parties that claim to be on the right or center right of british politics from the heritage party

00:47:41.320 to goodness knows who else there is only one proper brand of center right politics in this country it's

00:47:48.940 called reform and as i'd mentioned earlier you know people think oh farage has done it we'll just set a

00:47:54.180 party up it'll be marvelous we'll sweep the next election it just it just isn't as easy as that

00:47:59.080 now does he have a profile on x yes he does is he long going to support him probably but you see

00:48:04.840 you know when he stood up and said that we've got to consider the mass deportation of entire communities

00:48:13.880 including those born in the united kingdom that just moves way beyond the point of reasonableness

00:48:21.520 of decency of morality and that was the moment at which you know i realized we just had to get rid of

00:48:28.540 him and get rid of him as quickly as we could and i think in terms of the way we dealt with that

00:48:32.900 we were probably more brutal than the other parties but you know what that's the way it's going to be

00:48:38.120 that is an extraordinary omission incredible isn't it he he is basically i mean first of all those

00:48:44.960 communities that rupert is talking about getting rid of are explicitly the gang rapists and the

00:48:50.780 people who knew about it and and farage is saying the moment he tried to get rid of gang rapists

00:48:55.860 that was the moment he couldn't be in reform anymore so it's point number one point number two

00:49:02.180 he he just said the moment he said so that was the reason because up until now the line had been

00:49:07.760 that he threatened to kill a man half his age and they had to get the police involved to protect

00:49:13.580 zaya yusuf from the mad rampage that might follow from 68 year old rupert lowe and and that was why

00:49:19.720 they had to do what they had to do he's just admitted they made all that up it was because he wanted to

00:49:25.520 deport the rapists and and he said at the end there we were probably a little bit more brutal about it

00:49:31.900 let's just define brutal what he did is he made up a criminal allegation against rupert lowe which

00:49:40.740 had it have landed rupert lowe would be in jail today rupert lowe was investigated by the police he

00:49:46.720 had the police come around in the middle of the night and seize his property and he just made it all

00:49:52.940 up to get rid of him in order to protect right and i'll ask you i'll ask this question to the audience

00:49:57.900 right if if nigel farage is willing to get one of his own mps one of his own friends put in jail

00:50:07.520 in order to protect the gang rapists what's he going to do to you if you want to get rid of the

00:50:13.060 gang rapists i mean this is uh completely correct like this this i found was just remarkable it's

00:50:19.740 astonishing so first the the admission that he lied about rupert lowe made up criminal charges which

00:50:28.740 which i'm sure is a criminal offense in and of itself it must be must be a criminal offense to

00:50:33.420 like to bear false witness about a crime that didn't happen to try and get someone else locked

00:50:37.940 up that has to be a criminal offense in and of itself but not only that he he did this for what

00:50:43.100 reason because rupert lowe had gone outside of the accepted morality of the reform party now

00:50:48.580 one might think well why don't you just eject him on those grounds you say look we're not happy that's

00:50:54.460 that's too far right we're not happy with you trying to deport people who are complicit in rape gangs

00:51:00.560 well the answer would be because that was not the conversation they wanted to have

00:51:03.300 well exactly but which is also covering for the rape gangs well exactly and he's saying no the the line

00:51:09.000 here if it can't be proved that this person actually was involved in a rape in a rape gang

00:51:16.900 then i mean i don't even know if he wants to deport these people he has said that mass deportation is

00:51:21.220 not he doesn't want that to his name but like i assuming he's like saying no only those individuals

00:51:26.460 could be proven to be part of it it's like okay but we know from the rape gang inquiry this rupert

00:51:30.920 has just finished that you said you would do and didn't that this is an endemic problem in the

00:51:37.860 community but the wives and families knew this was happening and that hundreds of men in these

00:51:44.080 communities in the sort of clan structure as david starkey describes it brothers cousins would all

00:51:49.800 come over and rape repeatedly so is is the line that nigel forage is trying to stick to is if you 1.00

00:51:55.360 actually raped a 12 year old personally then you go but if you just knew about it and covered for it 0.99

00:52:02.840 and were okay with that with your husbands and your brothers and your sons doing that and you 0.84

00:52:09.060 didn't say anything about it and you just kind of went along with it and then you turned up in court

00:52:12.920 and screamed slag at the young girls when they went to court then those people must stay and it is so

00:52:19.620 important that those that wider orbit stay that we're going to make up a criminal charge against our

00:52:26.740 own friend and mp in order to protect the wider circle of rapist supporters it does indeed seem

00:52:32.740 that way it seems that his line is we we i mean he doesn't say they'll deport people who are actually

00:52:39.000 convicted of being in a rape game no i suppose i was i was he doesn't say his position there but let's

00:52:43.780 assume on the most sort of hard-line charitable position that he would do that but not those people

00:52:48.700 who who know about it and are complicit in it in other ways so we don't know that he's going to go

00:52:54.400 after any of the police or any of the councillors or labor mps no justice is going to come there so

00:52:59.340 farage is actually positioning himself to stand between the grooming gangs and their victims in

00:53:05.580 the victims pursuit of justice and actually i think i think you your really important point there was the

00:53:10.500 the authorities as well the police who knew about it who did nothing the um councils who knew and did

00:53:15.700 nothing the home office yep where they were literally pimping them out like a slave market yes

00:53:20.460 like for us and we know that people in in the home office knew as well yep so what he's actually

00:53:25.980 doing is maximizing the protection of the establishment yes and those people in the gangs

00:53:31.300 like the in the community who took part in some tangential way and it's like nigel this is a really 0.89

00:53:37.660 because i i suspect that actually like mass deportations and anti-grooming gang action is what a lot of

00:53:46.260 reform members were actually looking for which is why when you came out like banging banging on about

00:53:51.020 tommy robinson and criticizing him your own branches were going apoplectic so that that was a really good

00:53:56.840 point that was made on a on a nick dixon stream last night where they were talking about how after

00:54:02.200 um the brexit referendum a lot of people thought oh the immigration is going to go away now

00:54:07.560 reform supporters what they think nigel farage is going to do and what nigel farage has very clearly laid

00:54:15.920 out is there was a huge gap between those two massive and let's say farage does win the next

00:54:21.920 election he's the wave of disappointment that is going to follow there'll be another stab in the

00:54:27.860 back it'll be boris 2.0 it'll be boris 2.0 we'll end up with a farage wave and that's why

00:54:33.180 here at loads of seasons we're not going along with his whole kind of oh well let's just get reform in

00:54:38.620 and then go to restore no you have to go straight to restore because it's it's the only thing that's going

00:54:44.020 to work for farage's red line apparently is mass deportations of foreign rapists and their

00:54:48.380 accomplices i'm sorry i just what's hill to die on especially considering that your supporters think

00:54:55.360 that's what you're going to do right and like again okay let's assume that we're being uncharitable

00:55:02.180 in his policy here that or he'll flip-flop as he always does and go oh right no i need to do that

00:55:07.300 we're just going on what he's actually said so oh yeah but he says he changes the wind changes

00:55:12.160 right but the the actions that you took to try and politically assassinate rupert lowe i'd just

00:55:18.060 be on the panel and this is not the first time he has done this this is just the least successful

00:55:21.700 time that he's done this i mean we've spoken we had steve wolf on the podcast you know we'd like

00:55:25.720 we've we've spoken to loads of people one of them knocked it out exactly exactly he's done this over

00:55:30.640 and over and over and so i do not want to be led by a prime minister who is willing to put one of

00:55:36.140 his own mps in jail because what the hell is he going to do to me to protect the gang ramps so

00:55:42.080 exactly right and this but this speaks to a remarkable difference in character between

00:55:45.900 farage and lowe for look farage slimy sleazy right farage is the one who's had affairs with the alex

00:55:52.920 woman and whatnot broke up his marriage his first marriage and like he's engaging in all of these

00:55:58.220 sort of machiavellian backroom daggers in the back he's a fox not a lion exactly but rupert lowe just

00:56:04.540 came out and said no this is going to be difficult but we're going to do it together

00:56:07.140 lion behavior exactly right manly right farage slimy sleazy secretive right deceptive literally 0.96

00:56:17.360 and cowardly right rupert was not being a coward about any of this and so it was it was just gross 0.50

00:56:23.280 but anyway so to wrap this off obviously rupert lowe has replied and said what he's admitted it

00:56:28.220 he's admitted this was entirely political it wasn't that i'd threatened anyone uh yes i would deport

00:56:34.260 them all i would actually give the death penalty to many too to be entirely honest good people who 0.99

00:56:40.320 engage in sex trafficking rings of british children yeah i think they should be put yeah a child rape 0.97

00:56:45.860 reasonable response is death penalty yeah i make no apology for that whatsoever so there's there's 0.83

00:56:51.720 more to this obviously uh farage kept being pressed on this and he said this as far as rupert lowe is

00:56:58.840 concerned there will be some polling published later today that shows his recognition factor

00:57:05.420 amongst members of the british public it is not very high at all and so a push poll that says 10

00:57:13.500 is utter rot the party isn't even registered he won't be on one percent anywhere not even probably

00:57:19.880 in great yarmouth thank you um i well i mean especially when it comes to great yarmouth i highly

00:57:27.820 doubt that that's very very contestable because i mean like uh rupert lowe you may remember back in

00:57:33.520 december started the great yarmouth first party uh in great yarmouth and uh they immediately began

00:57:39.420 on 44 percent of the uh of the votes stomping ahead of labor reform uh conservatives and the rest

00:57:46.680 because of course rupert lowe and farage would be a complete stranger to this idea has actually done

00:57:52.880 the work not only he's enormously popular in his constituency and that's because he actually does

00:57:57.860 the work i mean not only in parliament is he the guy with the most uh parliamentary notes that are put

00:58:02.380 into the government and various uh committees and all these sort of things far outstripping farage in

00:58:07.780 the actual work he's done but he does a lot of work in his great yarmouth constituency i mean we

00:58:11.400 covered this a little while ago where the bbc sent a reporter down there to get people to basically say

00:58:15.560 bad things about lowe and none of them had anything bad to say oh yeah he's great he actually helped me

00:58:20.340 with this problem and this problem and this problem he was actually responsive because rupert lowe has

00:58:24.140 actually been doing the job and he spent he puts his entire ministerial salary into a charity every month

00:58:30.260 in great yarmouth like there is just no reason that people in great yarmouth would be like well this isn't our

00:58:34.700 guy right of course it's our guy he's the only one who's actually done something for us uh so i

00:58:39.740 and whenever whenever rupert does these um uh parliamentary petitions or whatever uh you can

00:58:45.640 always see the dark red blob in great yarmouth and then the rest of it kind of spreads out around the

00:58:49.740 country like he has got a really strong support in that constituency because he's actually done the

00:58:53.960 work so fundamentally there's no way he's only going to get one percent in great yarmouth that's not

00:58:58.260 going to happen uh but also it's probably not as uh straightforward as nigel farage thinks so i think

00:59:05.880 what this is one of the polls that has come out on the this was done the 15th and 16th so two days

00:59:10.420 after and yeah it's in other still right you'll notice the other got a plus two bump there but who got

00:59:18.700 a minus three deduction reform on 24 percent labor on 19 percent conservative 18 percent completely

00:59:27.640 normal that's where they've been for a long time in the polar polls greens on 17 libdoms on 13 totally

00:59:33.520 normal smp on three totally normal poll but other plus two right there we go he's already began on two

00:59:39.340 percent it looks like yep right it looks like already he is actually showing up in these polls and you've

00:59:45.120 lost three on your vote share if you're reform and you're like we're expecting to be the next

00:59:50.080 government do you want to be on 24 in the polls no that's not that's brutal yes like nigel you go 1.00

00:59:56.460 no he'll never show up anywhere what do you think is happening you need to be in very high 20s 30s

01:00:02.360 yes so just just to be clear i agree that like the push poll is not as reliable a factor as possible

01:00:09.680 um but this is on day four now yes and already he's taken three percent out of nigel's and remember 0.96

01:00:18.240 that um i know it's coming from completely the opposite direction it's coming from the establishment

01:00:22.680 rather than from the country but macron's um on march party managed to managed to form yeah win the

01:00:29.480 presidency and a parliamentary majority within 14 months so three years is enough time for rupert to

01:00:36.120 get this done but also with enough uh energy and effort it will be that restore just starts

01:00:42.600 organically appearing in these polls anyway without as uh rupert saying look you should be prompting

01:00:48.620 restore britain like you do with the rest of them so just as valid a thing and i think that it will

01:00:52.700 start popping up and they'll be forced to prompt it and this will um we'll keep going because i mean

01:00:57.900 honestly down to 24 it's just atrocious if i refresh i'm like what are we doing i think he had it all

01:01:03.960 and he just blew it he's beyond 40 he blew it by by that steve edgington interview saying that he's

01:01:10.360 not going to do any deportations that he doesn't care about britishness that he can't define he was

01:01:14.920 asked the other day what what is britishness and he said it was how you feel literally the trans

01:01:19.020 argument applied to nationality yeah he he was asked to define um what uh well because i did this

01:01:26.200 thing for a couple of weeks where i kept on saying somebody needs to ask him if he can define an

01:01:30.280 englishman and actually went to wales and a journalist did ask the question but said can

01:01:34.100 you define what a welshman is and his answer was somebody who's lived there for five years

01:01:38.240 yes that's true and now englishness is just however you feel if you feel english so it's

01:01:43.100 it's literally the it's literally either magic soil or trans nationality yes so yes trans nationality

01:01:50.860 yes there's literally the the two answers that he has given but he had it all and he's

01:01:54.800 thrown it all away and he's done it deliberately yeah and uh he's starting to lose men so this was

01:02:01.940 this morning the first reform councillor is defected to restore because as as cameron pointed out like

01:02:08.600 we we we get lots of messages from reform people uh councillors and uh branch members and things like 0.98

01:02:15.580 that and cameron just said the earlier reform just seemed to be run by dicks like total dicks who 0.98

01:02:23.640 are just really mean to the people below them and they can't understand why they're being treated in 0.99

01:02:28.040 this way and it's like yeah it's really bizarre isn't it whereas and i think obviously the fish is

01:02:32.480 wrong from the head here i think nigel farage is basically callous to the people around him at the 0.74

01:02:36.940 top and this sort of like clique that controls the party make sure that crap rolls downhill i can't

01:02:44.220 remember if he's in one of these discussions it might have been some other podcast that we did but

01:02:47.860 you i i remember you showing me the glass door stuff for zaya yusuf's company and it was very

01:02:54.160 clear that he treated his employees really badly and there was a reason why farage you know like

01:03:01.380 likes like yeah and he saw him and and i can well believe that people get treated very badly in this

01:03:07.100 organization and so unsurprisingly people like you know what i don't need this i mean loads of reform

01:03:13.380 councils uh not councils uh local branches have disbanded they defected from wherever you kept

01:03:19.280 putting up with it and they just they just disbanded and and farage has been like yeah i don't need you

01:03:24.100 i have the media it's like well i guess we'll see you're down to 24 now you know you're literally you

01:03:29.600 should be well north of 35 at this point yeah if you want a secure victory in the next and to know

01:03:34.820 you're going to be the next government but as it looks like you're going to be ending up a

01:03:37.720 coalition with the bloody greens and the lib dems whose position you basically share on nationality

01:03:43.580 the analogy i used on the podcast is that the boomer vote is like the one ring and if you put it on

01:03:50.160 and the one ring is owned by the tory party so if you put it on you will just turn into the tory

01:03:54.460 party and i think that's what's happened to him i think so so anyway um i i think that again this is

01:04:00.860 this is what day four of restore uh massive impact on british politics reformer rattled

01:04:07.940 absolutely rattled farage has already come out and made a massive tactical mistake in admitting

01:04:13.000 yeah i'm actually i kicked rupert out framed him charges framed him in order to try and protect

01:04:18.360 the families of the rapist surely the police have to get involved now the other way yep if if somebody

01:04:25.120 admits they they lied to police and wasted police time and brought false charges surely get them out of

01:04:30.740 the party just to give cover to kick him out of the party it's ridiculous that's got to be a crime

01:04:36.040 but then you've got so you've got all of these errors that farage has made and admissions that

01:04:41.300 farage has made which has been amazing and then you've got all of the reform talking heads which

01:04:44.520 again farage's ex-mistress and various other people who are very close to him um saying oh yeah well we

01:04:49.200 don't know what a british person either you know so so they've just made this cascading series of

01:04:53.580 errors from this so it's like okay and that's again day four uh i guess we'll see what tomorrow brings

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