The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

00:00:00.000 Hi folks, I have the pleasure of being joined by Rupert Lowe MP, the political insurrectionist

00:00:05.280 who's recently started the Restore Britain Party, much to the chagrin of everyone in the

00:00:10.060 establishment. I can't help but notice that you have a range of opinions from Zach Polanski to

00:00:15.340 Nigel Farage, who are all essentially on the same Blairite point when it comes to the state of

00:00:20.380 immigration, the country, the state itself, and the way that things should be run. And you seem

00:00:24.820 to be the only person outside of that consensus. And so it's drawn a lot of ire towards you. How

00:00:30.240 are things going? Well, we announced that we were going to set up as a political party, because as

00:00:36.320 you know, Restore Britain was a movement, which I think has served its purpose. I wanted it to unite.

00:00:42.280 It has to some extent united, and it's meant that I've got to know the Tories quite well. They've

00:00:46.960 put me on the Public Accounts Committee to their credit. That's allowed me to see the extent of

00:00:52.280 the waste that's going on within the civil service with no apparent care or respect for

00:00:56.500 taxpayers' money. And I've sort of done two weeks of the rape gang inquiry, Carl, which I have to

00:01:02.940 tell you was incredibly harrowing. I don't think in my life I've ever heard such horrific stories.

00:01:10.420 And I... Can we just pause on that?

00:01:11.880 It's quite clear to me, but I think it's important, and I get this point over to you, it's important,

00:01:15.760 because when I was sitting listening to these testimonies, and we will be, Grantsmith,

00:01:20.580 the barrister will be writing a report on everything. We interviewed lots of victims,

00:01:25.520 lots of, you know, people who were explaining the sort of reasons why it's happening and why

00:01:31.260 nobody's doing anything about it. So we've got... We've had a sort of cross-section, politicians,

00:01:36.340 medics, you know, legal people. So we've discussed everything. But while I was in there, I thought,

00:01:43.180 how can a state fail its people for 25 years so consistently? And that's both... It's all the

00:01:53.660 existing political establishments. So they were all there. Whether they knew it was happening or not,

00:02:00.120 I don't know. But the fact is, it has been happening on a grand scale across the country,

00:02:05.460 everywhere. Despite what Sadiq Khan says, it's happening in London, as we sit here speaking.

00:02:09.160 It's linked to organized crime. It's linked to county lines. And, you know, we... I'm not so

00:02:16.500 interested in the ethnic origin of people doing it. I'm interested in how it's happened. It's about

00:02:23.540 right and wrong. It's about a state that is allowing an evil to happen and to grow right under its very

00:02:31.880 nose. So when I was sitting in those hearings, I came to the conclusion, how can anyone ever vote

00:02:36.940 Labour again? You know, they virtually, to a man, voted against a statutory inquiry into this and have

00:02:42.260 consistently resisted trying to claim it. So it's a siloed issue. Well, it's not a siloed issue.

00:02:48.300 This is a systemic issue across Britain, and it needs to be dealt with. You've got the Tories who've

00:02:52.720 been in power for a long time while this was growing. Nothing done about that. You've got the

00:02:56.980 Lib Dems who sit there skating over the surface. And frankly, people like Zach Polanski, who mentioned

00:03:02.140 just now, it's just a joke. I mean, if we follow Zach Polanski's politics and his economic policies,

00:03:08.860 the country will disappear in a nanosecond. It's just la-la land, frankly. So I decided while I was

00:03:17.000 in there that really the British people don't have anything on the smorgasbord of political parties

00:03:24.980 which is going to deliver for them. Now, I'm only one man. I've got a fantastic young team around me.

00:03:30.160 And unlike Nigel, I like to give my team a chance to speak. And if that means we end up with some

00:03:36.480 controversy, I don't mind that. I think we want a party of young people. The young people have a

00:03:41.560 stake in our society, and they should be involved. And as I said in the response to our video we did

00:03:48.400 on the farm, which has had over 40 million views worldwide, and I think it's triggered something in

00:03:52.860 other Anglo-Saxon nations across the world. They call me an elderly gentleman. I like to think

00:03:59.620 I'm a young elderly gentleman, but unfortunately you can't defy the years, Carl. So look, I decided

00:04:07.400 really we've got to win by 29. I've got to stand up. I am what you see. There's nothing

00:04:14.720 complicated about me. I'm one of four boys, the oldest of four boys. I've lived my life honestly.

00:04:20.700 I've worked all my life. I've built up everything I've got. And I don't want to see the country

00:04:28.260 descend into a sort of Fabian catastrophe where injustices on the scale of the rape gang

00:04:36.180 injustices have been happening. I just don't want to see that. So I'm there. If people don't want to

00:04:41.120 vote for me, I'm happy to accept the fact that's not what they want, and they want more of what

00:04:46.820 they've currently got. But if they want change, I think we genuinely offer them an opportunity to

00:04:52.140 vote for a new political party, which we're going to have people from outside parliament going into

00:04:58.760 parliament, people who've done things, people who've contributed to their communities. So I've now got

00:05:04.340 to turn my attention to finding 649 other people and make sure they're on the electoral ballot paper

00:05:12.960 at the next election. Because I think that way, we genuinely have a chance of restoring what used

00:05:22.480 to be Britain, which is very much not Britain now. So, I mean, there are so many things to talk about,

00:05:28.960 aren't there? I would say the first thing is, it is remarkable how many members the party has had

00:05:36.780 in such a short period of time. We went through 70,000 members yesterday. I'm aware. It's just

00:05:43.540 quite staggering how people are supporting us. And I encourage them not only to support us, but to

00:05:50.120 spread the word. Because the media, as you know, black me out. You know, GB News, who set themselves

00:05:55.260 up as a sort of an impartial broadcaster, haven't had me on since Nigel politically assassinated me.

00:06:07.220 I virtually never hear from the BBC, they didn't cover the rape gang inquiry at all.

00:06:13.940 So I think people have got to now wake up and understand that it's not only the political parties

00:06:20.900 that aren't serving them. The media isn't serving them. It's the system itself. And the essence of a

00:06:25.520 free, as you know, a free democracy is the media must act as the safeguard for the people in

00:06:32.480 challenging the politicians. But the problem is they're all one big club. And part of the reason

00:06:39.740 they cut me out is I'm not interested in going to have drinks with them and getting drunk in the

00:06:46.340 bar late at night and doing all sorts of things that they think are okay. That's not what I want

00:06:52.040 to do. I've got, you know, I like to walk around my farm, look at my crops. I like to talk to people

00:06:57.480 who work for me and work with me. And I've got better things to do than, you know, cruise around

00:07:04.280 with a bunch of lightweights. So I think you can see it now. It's just so obvious. And if the people

00:07:11.140 can't see it, then open your eyes because it's there. It's there. But unfortunately, for them,

00:07:18.240 thanks to Elon Musk, and thanks to social media, and thanks to the free speech that he's basically

00:07:25.540 now embedded and Zuckerberg is following. So our following on Facebook's actually gone

00:07:29.980 well through our following on X. So we've got our own platform. We're much bigger than most newspapers

00:07:36.840 now. So I urge people spread the word. This isn't going to happen if people don't want it. And if

00:07:43.560 they want it, as I say, you can't rely on a small group of people to do this. Everybody's got to do

00:07:49.260 some heavy lifting now. So everybody's got to challenge petty bureaucracy. Everyone's got to

00:07:55.000 challenge, you know, the rules, the regulations, all of the things that are oppressing us. Challenge it.

00:08:00.240 Do not do it legally. Of course. But do not allow these petty bureaucrats and these people who are 0.98

00:08:07.120 supposed to be serving you, don't allow them to push you around. They're your servant, not your master.

00:08:12.160 Well, this has always been Bertrand Russell's complaint about bureaucracy. The individual is at

00:08:16.480 the mercy of a system that is supposed to serve him, but has no incentive to. Every time you walk

00:08:21.360 into a bureaucrat's office, you're a problem that he wishes wasn't there. He's not bound by profits.

00:08:27.280 He's not bound by productivity. He's, in fact, hampered by those things. And the second that

00:08:32.080 you require something from the bureaucracy, the bureaucrat just wants you to go away.

00:08:37.040 So this is an old English complaint about bureaucracy, actually. You know, it's very well

00:08:42.880 made by Bertrand Russell. But I think what's changed, Carl, is that in days gone by, I think there was

00:08:50.160 a vocational drive for people to go into public service. First of all, you had, so I think you

00:08:57.040 had decent people who did try and serve, who did try and do their best. But the problem is,

00:09:02.960 that's all gone. And I think what's happened is, with the proliferation of the state, the

00:09:08.560 proliferation of all the regulations and all the rules and all the things that tie us down and damage

00:09:14.000 our quality of life, people have lost sight of what the state is there for. It is there to serve.

00:09:22.080 That's its job. And the problem is, if you watch state getting out of control, as we've seen in

00:09:26.800 the USSR, in the end, it implodes, because it becomes so inefficient that the only way to survive 0.98

00:09:33.920 is to start lying to the state. And if people start lying to the state, then they get into the

00:09:39.200 habit of lying. And once you get into the habit of lying, and this is actually what brought the

00:09:42.880 USSR down more than anything, is that the only way to survive was to lie. Well, I don't want to live

00:09:47.840 in a society like that. I want to live in a society where people are honest with each other. We can

00:09:51.840 tell the truth. We aren't punished for telling the truth. But unfortunately, I think it was summed

00:09:58.080 up the other day by a young kid, and they say out of the mouths of babes and sucklings, but

00:10:03.840 he said to me, why is it that everybody who seems to work hard and do their best is punished,

00:10:11.440 and everyone who seems to do nothing and not contribute is protected.

00:10:18.240 I said to him, I think you're right, but I don't know the answer to that, because it seems like

00:10:24.000 putting the cart before the horse, this whole thing's bonkers. And that's where we are. This

00:10:28.000 was a kid. He could see it himself. So if he can see it, surely everybody else can see it. That's

00:10:32.160 what we've got to change. I mean, it's very clear that it must be that the villains are in charge.

00:10:36.720 I think we're probably in the hands of organized crime, Carl. I agree. I mean,

00:10:41.920 it has to be the people in charge of villains for the honest, hardworking people to be the ones who

00:10:46.960 get punished. This is Solzhenitsyn's measure of what was a communist state when law-abiding

00:10:52.000 people are punished and criminals are set free. Which we've got now, I think.

00:10:55.600 I mean, well, literally on day one, Keir Starmer opened the prisons, which is a typical communist

00:11:00.800 tactic. So anyway, what I want to talk about, though, is the remarkable blooming of the Restore

00:11:09.040 Britain movement and party in the last, what's it been, six days now? We launched it on Friday

00:11:15.280 in Great Yarmouth, fittingly, at the coldest venue I've ever been at. I was actually shivering

00:11:20.320 while I was giving my speech. The heating, whether it was working or not, I don't know, but the

00:11:26.960 east wind was cutting through the building and it was so cold. I did actually contemplate speaking

00:11:32.640 in my overcoat, but I decided that would have been discourteous. So it was so cold, but we got a huge

00:11:38.720 turnout and I thought we had to launch it in Great Yarmouth, really. That was the place to do it. 0.86

00:11:45.760 And since then, we've had the most incredible support. We did a video on the farm, which took us

00:11:52.240 three or four hours, and that seems to have gone far around the world. I don't think it's probably

00:11:57.760 just in Britain that we've got this malaise. I think this is something that obviously goes across,

00:12:02.800 cuts across all Anglo-Saxon countries. So we've had people from obviously the Antipodes, we've had

00:12:08.320 people from Canada, people from America, America particularly has gone, they've watched that video,

00:12:14.800 which is where they called me an elderly gentleman on his farm. And we literally,

00:12:21.360 I think we just spoke common sense. And that's what my entire philosophy is founded on. And I think

00:12:28.960 common sense is what we need the return of in spades. So if people agree, I'm going to try and

00:12:36.400 give them an option. If they don't agree, I think we're in deep trouble if we don't get something new

00:12:41.440 by 29. If they don't agree, they've got Zach Polanski.

00:12:45.520 They've got Zach Polanski. Well, good luck to them.

00:12:47.120 Yeah, exactly.

00:12:48.000 Good luck to them.

00:12:49.280 But what I found remarkable about this, though, is the speed and the nerve that this has touched.

00:12:57.200 Because there's actually quite an interesting comparison in Jeremy Corbyn's Your Party.

00:13:01.360 Because Jeremy Corbyn represents the sort of antipode of the right, what we're doing here,

00:13:10.080 in that it's a segment of, well, essentially communists in the country, who have a very

00:13:16.160 popular figure in Jeremy Corbyn. And he launched his Your Party. I mean, it's been quite catastrophic

00:13:23.440 in many ways. But we'll leave that to the side. But they very quickly got about 80,000 members.

00:13:28.480 But that took them about a month to get to that stage. Whereas you've got 70,000 in the first week.

00:13:34.880 When we had some before, I mean, Restore Britain had a bedrock of supporters. But we've had,

00:13:42.240 I mean, we were, you know, for two or three days, we were putting on 10,000 a day.

00:13:46.160 Yeah.

00:13:47.200 And I'm absolutely delighted. I feel humbled by the response. And I can assure people that we will do

00:13:53.120 our very best. I mean, look, I've got a young team. My grandmother has saying, you know, the young are

00:13:58.080 able, the old are wise. Well, I provide the wisdom, but I've got a great young team who provide the

00:14:03.040 ability. Because, you know, I've come from the era, Carl, where when I was educated,

00:14:10.080 we had the Gestetner machine. And I'm now running to keep up with all this digital technology and AI

00:14:16.240 and everything else. But we're just about keeping, we're just about holding our own. But they are,

00:14:20.320 I've got a great team. And their ability and their knowledge of the digital revolution

00:14:26.000 eclipses mine. And without them, I don't think I would be able to do what I'm doing. But so I

00:14:32.880 provide the wisdom and plot the course. And with their help, I hope we can do that for the British

00:14:40.480 people. That's what we've got to try and do. So I think a lot of people would be interested in

00:14:45.200 understanding party structure, the possibility of local branches, how they can get involved,

00:14:52.320 how they can come and help. Well, I think the most important thing, and I'm, I was working on this,

00:14:57.360 really, I've been working on it for the last couple of days, since I've had a bit of time,

00:15:00.400 it's parliamentary recess, although I was in court, which we can talk about on Tuesday,

00:15:04.160 all day. So literally, I was there all day, taking on the the independent complaint and

00:15:09.440 grievance scheme. So we can talk about that in a minute, if you want. So I, my primary task now,

00:15:16.560 we have got lots of local counsellors who want to defect to us, which some already have some are

00:15:22.800 talking to us, I think they can see what we're trying to do and embrace it. So I would encourage

00:15:29.440 them, I mean, come to us, it may take us time, because we are a small team, we are recruiting,

00:15:34.320 but with recruitment comes risk, you if you're not careful, you end up importing people who are trying

00:15:39.840 to do you harm. So we have to be very careful with that. But I mean, on the local level, come to us,

00:15:46.320 we've obviously got Great Yarmouth first. And I see this, this bottom up approach from people taking

00:15:51.360 control of their local councils, and the top down approach, which to me is the most important thing,

00:15:57.120 because if we don't, if we don't get control of Parliament, it's very difficult to repeal what needs

00:16:03.760 to be repealed. And it's very difficult. And I don't want to legislate. But if we have to legislate,

00:16:09.600 that gives you the power to do it. And we need to control, control it. And you can see how powerful

00:16:14.880 it is when Labour literally ran through the most ludicrous statues. And there's really very little 0.59

00:16:22.000 that we that you can do, you know, when you go into the into the lobby, that you're going to

00:16:26.400 be voted down by 350 to 120, or whatever, whatever, whatever, it can be a different number,

00:16:32.000 but they always win. Yeah, the job, first of all, I think, is to encourage people who've done something

00:16:37.520 in their communities who feel the same way as us, who are businessmen, who are doctors,

00:16:43.600 who are scientists, who are people with with expertise in in in digital, the digital revolution,

00:16:49.520 in cryptocurrency, come forward, make yourselves known. And let's get a slate of 649 other people,

00:16:59.600 I've said outstanding great Yarmouth again, who share our vision, who want to change things for

00:17:05.280 the British people for the better. That to me is that is the most important part of it. Meanwhile,

00:17:11.600 those people who feel they can help locally, please do make yourselves known, come and help us. If you

00:17:16.960 are a local councillor, come and join us, you're very welcome to do that. And, you know, if you feel

00:17:24.560 driven to help with this change, I need it, we need help. As I said, we are a small team, we cannot,

00:17:33.120 you cannot expect, and this is often, I think, something the British people have done, is they

00:17:37.120 they love to comment, they've all got a view. It's a bit like when I was in football, everybody's got a

00:17:41.440 view. But actually, you put them in the seat where they've got to actually make the decisions. It's a

00:17:46.240 lot more difficult than they think. So I think, let's not just have a view. Yes. Let's all start doing

00:17:52.480 some heavy lifting. Because this isn't going to happen if a small group of people try and do this.

00:17:57.840 This is only going to happen, and that's why I like the term movement, if a movement of people

00:18:03.760 who want their country back, who don't feel they're being properly governed, decide they want change.

00:18:10.640 This is why I'm particularly interested in local branch structure. Because what I think is needed

00:18:18.240 is the deputation of your authority to a branch chair and a small administrative body, you know,

00:18:28.720 local treasurer and whatnot, in order to be able to begin organizing activists. So they can get leaflets

00:18:34.720 printed, so they can go leafleting for you. So they can go and spread the word manually in their local

00:18:41.120 community and show people, look, we're serious about this. Well, Great Yarmouth first is the model.

00:18:46.160 So we're at the moment, as you know, the existing incumbents tried to, they've canceled the elections

00:18:53.280 once, they tried to cancel them again. We did have a protest in Great Yarmouth on Saturday about it.

00:18:58.240 And now the government has, I think, seen the error of their ways, and we are actually going to have

00:19:03.840 the elections. There was another U-turn. So Great Yarmouth first, I think, is a blueprint. So we're,

00:19:08.000 we've got nine county councils standing in Great Yarmouth. And as you know, the Labour government's

00:19:13.760 trying to destroy the current structure of local government, which I completely disagree with.

00:19:18.960 I mean, making local government bigger and bigger just means there's less and less

00:19:22.320 accountability for the, for the people. Correct. So what we want is Great Yarmouth,

00:19:26.720 if we can get, I think we've got seven already selected, we get another two candidates,

00:19:33.200 some spoke at our, our, our event on Friday, and spoke beautifully. I mean, they, they,

00:19:38.960 they share our, our vision. So if we can get nine standing in Great Yarmouth and win all nine of

00:19:45.040 those seats, I think we can then help other people, to your point, who want to do the same in their

00:19:50.560 constituency across the country. And then we can start to get bottom up change. But the most important

00:19:59.200 thing, which we have to turn our attention to is the top down change. I think that these things are

00:20:05.120 directly interlinked though, aren't they? You, you, to get the top down change, you have to be

00:20:10.240 powerful at the bottom, I think. Exactly. The bottom, there's far more people at the bottom.

00:20:14.880 But the people at the bottom can't flourish if the oxygen is all being sucked out at the top.

00:20:21.840 Exactly. So, um, is there a mechanism for people to begin setting up, um, local branches? Well,

00:20:28.800 I think send us messages, be a little bit patient, because we can't do it in a nanosecond,

00:20:34.320 but we've got people on it. Right. And we are going to get some structures set up. Right. So,

00:20:39.600 and we, we appreciate that's important too. Yes. But the most important thing I think is to make

00:20:44.480 sure we get 649 other people on, on the next ballot paper for a general election. I think this is how

00:20:52.160 you find them though. Uh, if you find competent local organizers in re in the various regions of

00:20:57.440 the country, uh, allow them to build, uh, a branch, then I think that they can provide you with those

00:21:04.560 experienced and committed people that you're looking for. Well, Greg Yarmouth first will be the model

00:21:08.560 that I, I haven't got time to get involved in Greg Yarmouth first. We've never a team of people

00:21:12.880 down there, as you said, treasurer, great guy. Yeah. Uh, uh, we've got a team of people who are

00:21:18.560 literally on the ground doing it and other people, other people can do that. We can show them how to do

00:21:23.840 that. Yes. In the same way that when we come to stand in the general election, we can show them how

00:21:29.360 to use social media. We can show that we can help them in that respect. But if they're known in their

00:21:34.320 local community, I want to delegate the power to them to be able to, uh, you know, communicate

00:21:41.520 with people who know them and explain what we're doing and let them run. I can't, we can't do

00:21:47.040 everything. I'm not, I'm not a central planner. I bloody hate central. That's the point I'm trying

00:21:50.720 to make. I like, I like to delegate power, but they, they, they, they need a mechanism to be able

00:21:55.360 to say, right. Okay. I've, I've signed the contract or whatever it is you need to do and say, right,

00:21:59.360 we're going to set this branch up in Gloucester, in Oxford, in Swindon, in, you know, Derby,

00:22:05.040 wherever it is, you know, people, people need to replicate what we've done. Well, I will show

00:22:09.120 them how to do it. So, so that's why it's so important. We get great done with first right

00:22:12.640 now. Yeah. And then we can show other people, but I'm getting messages every day, which are

00:22:17.360 literally, how can I help? Like, what can I do for Rupert? We are so grateful for people coming

00:22:22.960 forward, but they need, they need something to be able to do because there's a lot of energy at the

00:22:26.720 moment. You need to harness it. So I, I, I would say, um, you know, uh, put, put someone, uh, in

00:22:32.560 charge of a particular email address or something like that and say, look, um, when we've had so

00:22:37.520 many emails, Carl, I can't tell you. I mean, we are literally having to bring people in just to

00:22:42.640 respond to emails. And I, I would say this, I, you know, again, it's, it's a bit, if people just,

00:22:48.080 if they trust us, which I hope they, they begin to do, then help us, give us a bit of time.

00:22:53.840 If you, if you can start to do things yourselves, start to do them. It's, it's common sense really.

00:22:59.040 Yes. Uh, and we will then provide you with everything that we've done and show you how to

00:23:03.440 do it in great yarn with us to be the model. But I, again, I, I think people get themselves down

00:23:08.240 a one way street. I get people going, I don't like your policy on the death penalty. I don't

00:23:12.720 like your policy on this. Well, people aren't going to like every policy. What they've got to like

00:23:18.640 is the principle of what we stand for. And within that we can then talk about the policy. And as you

00:23:24.400 know, our membership, there is a mechanism whereby not only can people put forward policy, but we can

00:23:29.840 also get our members to vote on it. So we, we hopefully don't just impose policy views. So taking

00:23:38.240 the death penalty, I mean, my opinion is, uh, uh, somebody like Axel Rudecabana or the Manchester

00:23:43.840 bomber who are beyond that guilty of, of killing other, uh, innocent young people. I see no point in, 0.99

00:23:51.200 in, in allowing them to spend and languish in prison for years. I would, I would exercise the death

00:23:57.200 penalty. Well, what's worse. I don't, I will accept other people's view if they don't agree with me.

00:24:01.520 Uh, people like Lucy let me, we, I've been through that. I think that's a very much a,

00:24:05.840 I mean, and David Davis tells me she's innocent. So that is a very different case. That is not

00:24:11.360 an open and shut case. Uh, Axel Rudecabana completely open and shut. Yeah. So I, that's my

00:24:18.400 opinion, but I, I accept the majority. I am in that way. I'm a Democrat, but I think we've got to start to

00:24:25.440 have punishment for criminals. I think people who, and we've got my favorite policy paper coming out,

00:24:31.920 Carl, an Englishman's home is his castle. You, you, you're going to love it. I know. So that's

00:24:36.480 coming out fairly shortly. That's, that's another document on top of the detain and deport, which,

00:24:41.680 where we go into, into the immigration issue in great depth. We've done one on the bridge pub

00:24:46.480 and we've got an Englishman's home is his castle. Now we've got to start to punish people who damage the

00:24:54.400 interests of other people, uh, steal from them, hurt them physically. Uh, you know,

00:25:00.560 and some of the sentences that are being handed down for rape now, just a farce. 0.95

00:25:04.480 That's disgusting. Um, but I think the judiciary has gone off the rails as well as the police and

00:25:10.240 local government and almost every organ of the state. And we're not going to get it back unless

00:25:16.160 we all get together and we say, we're not going to have it. So, so that's really what I think we're

00:25:20.720 trying to get, get to. But I, if people could just be patient, because there are only a few of us,

00:25:26.800 we, we, we, you know, people have been very generous in signing up and we've obviously got

00:25:31.600 some money now, but this is going to require funding. Yes. It's going to require money. You

00:25:35.680 can't do this. Uh, as you know, I give my salary to charity. I'm not in this to make any money. I've

00:25:40.800 got, I've got plenty of money. I don't need any money, but we do need money to fund the machine,

00:25:47.760 or as I call it, we need ammo. Yes. Ammo to basically drive what we're doing. And the ammo

00:25:54.480 is cash. And unfortunately that's just the way of the world. It is. Um, so let, let's talk about the,

00:26:00.080 um, the response. So we've, we've, we've covered the, the public response, which has been

00:26:04.720 insanely positive and much swifter than I really expected at all. I mean, when you dropped that

00:26:11.360 video, it was a big surprise to everyone and it was a brilliant video and everyone was like,

00:26:14.240 Oh my God, this is exactly what I want. Uh, I mean, I don't know. I like my favorite

00:26:18.560 was this American commentator called Asmogol. Well, my wife and I had a huge laugh watching

00:26:23.440 him. He was very funny. Brilliant. Brilliant. His comment. He's asked me onto his podcast.

00:26:27.200 I know. I know. He's, he's just said, uh, this, this, this guy's saying everything that I want

00:26:31.520 as if this is some sort of miracle solution to politics.

00:26:34.400 Well, he put it on hold. Yeah. Wow.

00:26:36.000 Yeah. But this is the miracle solution. Just do what people actually want done. This is all that we're

00:26:42.720 asking for. And the, the, the, the good thing about what you've done is you have a very strong

00:26:46.640 track record of actually doing things. Unlike certain other politicians who say, well, I'm

00:26:51.680 going to hold a rape gang inquiry and then do nothing. Uh, you have actually done these things.

00:26:55.600 That is a good case in point. I mean, to me claiming a headline and then doing nothing is

00:26:59.760 just dishonest. So I, I sat next to Nigel when he said, I will have this, uh, inquiry and he went on

00:27:06.000 all the radio and TV and podcast platforms to tell her, tell everybody he was going to do it.

00:27:12.080 And then he didn't do it. So I thought, well, I was in the chamber when you, when you said that

00:27:16.880 we're going to do it. So we did it. Yeah.

00:27:19.600 And I have to say, as I said, two weeks, it was two weeks, two of the, the, the least

00:27:24.080 enjoyable weeks of my life. I was following it very closely. Uh, we are going to be, and people

00:27:28.800 say we should have live streamed it. And I go, well, we couldn't live stream it because people

00:27:32.080 are breaking down in tears and for all your prurient interest in watching other people

00:27:37.360 in discomfort, we're not going to have that for welfare reasons. We decided it may also have put

00:27:42.240 people off, no live streaming, but we, we will release, uh, uh, the footage of it when it's, when

00:27:47.360 it's fair. And we are going to write a big report. Graham Smith, who's a fantastic guy. Who's,

00:27:54.560 you know, bravely, uh, a barrister. He's going to write a report and it will be hard hitting. I can

00:28:00.560 tell you God. Good man. And it is going to highlight exactly what's been going on. Good

00:28:05.520 man. So nobody, none of these little, what I call, uh, uh, you know, walk along the other side of the

00:28:12.800 street, looking the other way merchants who, and I, you know, which they've been doing for 25 years.

00:28:19.040 And this is what made me decide we need a new party, not a movement that there is. I just decided

00:28:26.160 that the fabric that we've got to work with isn't going to do the job. So we need something new.

00:28:32.720 And look, it's a huge undertaking. Do I need it at my age? Not really. Would I, as I said in my

00:28:39.520 speech on Friday, would I rather be sitting on a beach in Monaco? Possibly. But somebody, somebody's

00:28:46.400 got to do it. The country needs it. And somebody's got to unite the country because this is a great

00:28:51.120 country and we've got great people. And you know what? We're losing loads of them. But the thing,

00:28:56.000 loads of young people come to me. I'm going to Asia. I'm going to real economies where people,

00:29:01.920 people, uh, can see growth. They, they get rewarded for enterprise, rewarded for risk taking.

00:29:08.080 They get rewarded for making a contribution. Do we hear, you know, in iron round terms,

00:29:13.600 I think we're nearly, we're nearly where John Gault, uh, was, uh, in, in Atlas Shrugged,

00:29:19.680 which is my, one of my, as you know, my favorite, but we've talked about this before. Yeah.

00:29:24.000 But you talk to most people who've never heard of iron round, but iron round, you know,

00:29:26.960 the fountainhead and an Atlas Shrugged, two of the best books you can read.

00:29:31.040 So I just, I mean, I've just paid my taxes, obviously. And I just hate the government. I hate the

00:29:37.840 state. There's nothing more radicalizing than seeing the amount of the, because you can break it down to

00:29:43.120 exactly how many months in the year that you are working for the government.

00:29:45.760 Well, it's getting longer and longer. And it's, don't get me started. Um, right.

00:29:49.760 Let's, let's. And by the way, on the public accounts committee,

00:29:53.200 where I challenge these permanent sectors and these civil servants, the waste is off the scale.

00:29:59.760 It's off the scale. And the public needs to know that those taxes that they pay

00:30:05.280 are not definitively not being put to good use. They are being wasted, or as I prefer to say,

00:30:11.680 spunked up on the wall. So literally, it's not, it's not clever. And they don't care. These people

00:30:18.320 don't care. They got huge pensions, much bigger than the private sector.

00:30:20.240 There's no accountability.

00:30:21.200 They work less hours. They have less stress. They have more holidays.

00:30:24.800 I honestly, the arrogance that you see from these people and the dishonesty is just off,

00:30:30.000 it's off the scale. So, right. Getting, getting back to the political environment

00:30:35.760 in which, uh, restore has found itself. I can't help but notice that it's caused chaos

00:30:41.440 in the political, uh, discourse of the country. Um, because they're the, the, the people I've

00:30:48.240 noticed there are a lot of people on the left who have seen you with a fair amount of trepidation,

00:30:54.640 but there's not a lot they can do about it because they, of course, can't make a single argument

00:30:59.120 against anything that you're saying and arguing yourself, because you've already begun from a

00:31:04.160 position of these people are destroying the country and they want ruination. And so everything

00:31:09.200 they want, we are against, and we're going to go the opposite way. So the main, uh, the main, uh,

00:31:15.360 primary contender, I think in the immediate, um, moment is the parties on the right, which, um, I mean,

00:31:23.120 no one talks about the conservatives anymore. So unfortunately no one cares what they think.

00:31:27.680 Uh, but it's been very apparent that the reform party have been very shaken by this. Uh, it's,

00:31:34.640 they look very nervous. They've had some very poor responses to you and their activists seem to be

00:31:40.960 completely drowned out by yours. Um, what are your, what are your thoughts?

00:31:44.720 Can we talk about the conservatives? Because I think that's quite important. Um, I, I think Kim is a very

00:31:49.760 good lady and, and she did, and I gave her credit. Uh, she did come out in support of our rape gang 1.00

00:31:56.000 inquiry. She's got a problem though. And it's, it's, it's a, it's a big problem because the British public

00:32:05.440 are not going to forgive the Tories for failing to deliver for them with an 80 seat majority. I mean,

00:32:12.400 the power that Boris had to become the engineer for change and restoration was huge. And he, he just,

00:32:19.840 he actually did less than nothing. Oh, he betrayed us. He presided, he presided over mass legal

00:32:24.880 immigration as well as illegal immigration. I think he's a journalist. I don't think he's a man of

00:32:30.160 principle. I think he basically looks at the story, writes the story and moves on. I don't think he's got

00:32:35.760 a principle bone in his body. Uh, and yet, you know, he's incredibly popular with the British people,

00:32:40.720 but he let them down. So they're not going to forgive. I don't think the Tory party for that.

00:32:46.400 The equally, the Tory party, uh, as a result of Cameron selection policies is full of people

00:32:51.680 who aren't necessarily Tories by your definition or my definition. But what I would say is there are

00:32:56.720 some very good young Tories and, and because of the movement, I've got to know a lot of them. And I

00:33:02.320 have a huge amount of respect for them. They could make a contribution. They're largely new intake.

00:33:07.520 They're, they share a lot of the vision that we put forward at Restore Britain. And ultimately,

00:33:15.040 they're going to have to make the decision as to what they do with their careers. But

00:33:19.360 so I have, I don't hate the Tory party. I think Kemi and the current crop of Tories are victims of

00:33:27.440 history and victims of, of people who've failed to deliver for the British public and over a long

00:33:33.200 period of time. So Cameron played a part, you know, with his selection policies, uh, uh, you know,

00:33:38.240 he, he, he, he adored Tony Blair and he emulated him. So that, that's not Tony Blair is the root of a

00:33:46.800 lot of the evil that we've currently got. Uh, I watched a bit of it. I watched a bit of a,

00:33:51.040 bit of a, uh, uh, a documentary on him last night and you know, the older he gets, the more he looks

00:33:57.840 like the devil, uh, with that white hair and those piercing eyes. I, I can't help but get the image of

00:34:04.160 Beelzebub out of my mind. So, so look, I mean, I mean, reform, I would have helped Nigel become

00:34:13.200 prime minister. I thought Nigel shared what I wanted to achieve when he says I wasn't a team

00:34:19.280 player. I was, I, I, I drove reform support. I just got on with it. And you know, I, I didn't

00:34:26.560 demand anything. I was cut out of press conferences. I wasn't included. I think the rot started when I

00:34:32.720 gave that speech in September 24 at the, at the conference where Nigel, I said to him about a week

00:34:38.400 before the conference at the NEC, I think there were about four and a half thousand people there.

00:34:42.400 It was, it was September 24, uh, just after we'd been elected. And I said to Nigel,

00:34:48.400 do you want to read my speech? Cause I write my speeches. I like to put a few quotes and

00:34:52.720 the historical context into it. No, I never, I never read a speech. I never write a speech.

00:34:59.120 So I don't want to read your speech. I said, well, look, you know, if you don't read my speech,

00:35:03.120 you don't know what's in it. So, uh, after I spoke, I spoke for 23 minutes and I wrote the speech

00:35:10.480 myself. I put in everything I believe about Tony Blair, about everything from 20 mile an hour limits

00:35:17.760 to DEI. It's all there. That's, that's, that's our low political philosophy. So if anybody hasn't seen

00:35:23.200 it, watch that. If you want to, if you want to know what I think it's all in there, quotes, everything.

00:35:29.040 Uh, and I'm, I don't deliver a speech as well as Nigel because I, I'm, you know, I, I just,

00:35:36.480 he's good at that. That's his, you know, as I say, he's a good ballroom entertainer. He can stand up on

00:35:40.160 his back two legs and you listen to what he says. Most of it's the same, but it's just put in a

00:35:44.720 different way. And it's, you know, he's good at it. I don't like all the balloons and the razzmatazz

00:35:49.760 and all the, all the other malarkey that goes with, I don't like all that tacky stuff, but that's,

00:35:56.000 that's what he likes. So that's what he does. So, you know, the issue yesterday,

00:36:01.760 I think all day before he was saying I'd failed at WHR and well, I didn't. I, I, I sold my shares

00:36:07.200 at one pound 40 when I left in 2015. And I saw the other day, they'd been taken over at three

00:36:12.640 peer share. So that hasn't gone too well for people since I left Southampton. I built the youth academy.

00:36:17.920 I built the stadium. I had sold Theo Walcott, which is largely why the fans turned on me,

00:36:22.320 who I'd created having bought him from Swindon for 2000 pounds, sold him to Arsenal for 12 million

00:36:29.040 pounds. And he's a great boy. You know, he was, I liked him very much as Gareth Bale and, and, and

00:36:34.960 Adam Lallana. And, you know, you can go on, you know, we actually set the academy up because I'm,

00:36:40.320 you know, I'm a sportsman. I played, played reasonably competitive hockey. I love sport.

00:36:43.920 And best day of my life is when we got to the cup final in 2003. Sadly, we lost to Arsenal 1-0,

00:36:49.280 could have won that one. So, uh, look also, he said, I failed there. I didn't, I never sued him.

00:36:56.080 Uh, I, when he stood down in all the Tory seats and I, he left me in a Labour seat in Dudley North.

00:37:02.560 And, you know, people of Dudley North are great people, black country, very, very good people,

00:37:07.360 been very badly let down by, by, by, by various post-war governments, proud people. Uh, and I

00:37:14.880 probably had a good chance of winning it, but equally when Nigel stood down, it was a Labour seat

00:37:20.640 by 23 votes. So when Nigel stood down, I had a decision to make and he did, he did it. He stood

00:37:26.320 down unilaterally. It was his decision. Nobody else, nobody else was, Nigel doesn't discuss and he just

00:37:31.280 does what he wants. It's a dictatorship. So as you can see from even recently, when he announced his

00:37:37.040 shadow cabinet, they're all there, I mean, you know, Nigel's there at the center of it all,

00:37:40.640 none of them really say very much. Uh, uh, so basically, uh, uh, you know, he attacked me,

00:37:48.960 said I sued him. I didn't sue him. When I stood down, I told Tice, who was chairman,

00:37:53.760 Tice failed to tell Nigel. Nigel then blew up when I, when I stood down and, and Ian Austin told me,

00:37:59.280 with 23, 23 vote majority Labour had there, I would have split the vote and let in a momentum

00:38:05.680 Labour candidate, which I didn't want to do. Yeah. He went on to, I said, look, Nigel,

00:38:09.760 you can't keep saying these things that they're just wrong. I told Richard, I mean, look, I don't

00:38:14.080 want to go through the history of it. I know the history is good enough for me. But what he said

00:38:18.160 yesterday was, was not only factually inaccurate. It was, it was just petty and wrong. And what it shows me

00:38:29.520 is that to your point, they are worried. They are worried. And they, they created this situation

00:38:37.680 when he tried to politically assassinate me, not just say to me, you're not for me,

00:38:43.840 go and sit behind us as an independent. And as IU Khan said the other day, watch the rubbish 0.98

00:38:50.080 build up in front of you. Uh, uh, which, which I thought was a great line. It was a good line.

00:38:55.280 That I would have accepted, but no, two false witness statements that are arguably illegal.

00:39:01.760 My guns taken away, accused of bullying, accused of early onset dementia. I mean,

00:39:06.880 this is a real proper hit job. It was absolutely. Traditionally, Nigel hit job of the first order.

00:39:12.400 And I, and I say to people now, look, I survived it. A lot of people didn't. Stephen Wolf didn't,

00:39:18.960 Kilroy Silk didn't. There's a, there's a great list of people who haven't survived it.

00:39:25.120 I've survived it. And I've, and I've marched on. But the question I would say to people is,

00:39:30.400 can you really trust somebody? And he let the mask slip in his speech when he said he had to

00:39:35.920 get rid of me because of my views on immigration, which again, he misquoted me on. Yes. I have never

00:39:41.840 said whole communities of British passport holders should be deported. I've never said that. No,

00:39:47.200 that is just utter rubbish. Well, he knows it, he knows it, but he's just trying to, you know, 0.99

00:39:53.120 create some histrionic headline. It's drivel. Well, you, you said to deport people who knew 0.96

00:39:57.680 about the grooming gangsters and people who are complicit in the grooming gangsters.

00:40:00.320 He tried to edit my speech in Northwest Essex. He tried, and I spent 20 minutes in a hotel room

00:40:06.400 with him because he tried to get his little man of 24 to tell me to take my speech. I said, no,

00:40:11.840 I'm not taking it from you. I'm, uh, if Nigel wants me to change my speech, he needs to tell me

00:40:16.160 himself. So we went up to a hotel room, tried to take the word mass out of deportation, which I was

00:40:21.600 talking about. You can watch the speech. It's the one in, in, in Northwest Essex at the end of,

00:40:26.000 end of January 25, which he asked me to go and speak at, by the way, gives you about three days'

00:40:32.320 notice and expects you to go and speak. So I did speak. And the other thing he tried to take out

00:40:37.600 was where I said that if you are a part of a family who is living with a Pakistani Muslim rapist, 1.00

00:40:47.120 who's been raping and abusing underage, vulnerable, white, working class English girls on a consistent 1.00

00:40:54.080 basis, which he knows has been happening from the rape gang inquiry. Then if you're a dual national, 0.97

00:40:59.680 or you are a foreign national and you knew about this evil, then you should be deported.

00:41:06.080 He wanted me to take that out of my speech. I said, no, I'm not taking that out. I took out

00:41:09.840 the word mass. And now I find it quite entertaining that Zia Yusuf's talking about mass deportation.

00:41:15.200 The very things that they arguably, uh, politically assassinated me over, they're now saying themselves.

00:41:22.160 Well, this, this is the thing. I mean, two of my lads, Dan Tubbs and Bodade,

00:41:25.520 uh, were standing as reform candidates until they quoted the reform manifesto and the reform

00:41:33.360 top brass said, no, you're out of the party now because this has created a headline.

00:41:37.760 And it's like, but it's in your manifesto, like that you're going to deport every illegal immigrant 0.99

00:41:42.480 in the country. That's in your manifesto. And Bo got kicked out of the party for saying that.

00:41:46.960 I know. 0.96

00:41:47.520 Well, it's ridiculous. But I think, I think, as you say, Nigel does shift and change and, you know,

00:41:53.520 uh, uh, he does it to, to, to, to, to, to get a headline. Uh, I, I, I mean, look, I don't really

00:42:00.400 want to talk about reform. I'm, I'm more interested in providing the British people with, I mean,

00:42:06.000 I know the truth that that's good enough for me. If people trust me, they, they, they, they should be

00:42:10.800 able to see the truth. If they can't then tough. I mean, I don't know. I can do about that. Yeah.

00:42:14.240 But if they, if they want change, let's, let's not worry about, about, about them. You know,

00:42:21.200 I personally don't think they treated their branches very well, which is why a lot of the

00:42:25.120 local councillors. Abominable. It's famous. They were, they were treated like sort of,

00:42:29.120 I mean, these are people who are doing it voluntarily. They care about their community.

00:42:32.000 They care about the local council. Give them, as you say, delegate some power to them.

00:42:36.720 Let them get on with it. Let them get on with it. Not treat them as if they're numpties.

00:42:41.200 Oh, they, they treat them as if they're a hindrance. Correct. 1.00

00:42:44.240 As if they don't want them. And, you know, suddenly this is a use of business. I don't

00:42:47.920 know where he came from. And I said to Nigel, look, he's come in. Uh, he's putting in, you know,

00:42:53.760 I've put in quite a lot of money. I paid for my own, uh, uh, candidacy in Kingswood. I paid

00:42:58.960 for my own candidacy in Great Yarmouth. They got no support from the party. Um, I chose to go to

00:43:05.120 Great Yarmouth. Uh, Richard Tice chose Boston. Uh, and you know, the achievement was that we all broke

00:43:11.120 into parliament. That was a huge achievement from all of us, but I've put in probably over the years.

00:43:16.960 And if you, if you take all my political attempts to save the pound through the referendum party,

00:43:21.760 to business for Sterling, to vote, leave, to, you know, to, to, to, to my campaign, uh, the Brexit

00:43:28.880 party, I, I put a lot of money and a lot of time, a lot of energy into it. So I said to Nigel,

00:43:33.440 he said he was thinking of appointing him chairman, having removed Richard as leader and made him

00:43:38.640 chairman. He was then removing Richard as chairman and making use of chairman. And now I think Richard's

00:43:44.320 got some sort of sideline job in, in, in the cabinet as, as, you know, business and whatever else.

00:43:51.040 But look, I, you know, he use of appeared and I said, no, why do we need to bring somebody in now?

00:43:58.880 We've done all the work. We've created this, a group of us. Why do you want to bring in a potential

00:44:04.480 free radical? And I checked him out. You know, he's not a great guy. Uh, uh, I, I never threatened

00:44:12.640 him. We had an argument because he tried to mess around with my branch in, in great Yarmouth. Yeah.

00:44:19.520 So I said to him before a meeting, I said, Zia, last time I checked, there was 650 MPs in parliament.

00:44:26.640 We've got five of them. When you've got the other 645 constituencies running on rails,

00:44:33.360 then you can start messing around in my constituency till then sex and travel. That's what I said to him. 0.81

00:44:39.600 And he didn't like that. Yeah. So, so that's what played the part. Um, but let's not talk about

00:44:46.080 reform, Carl. Well, I, I, I, I think that I think their support is waning fast. And I think

00:44:53.520 people can see that hiring Tories who, who are associated with past failures,

00:45:00.160 and I'm just waiting for him to appoint Nadeem Zahawi as foreign, as foreign secretary, that, that,

00:45:05.120 that, that we're, we, we, we here could be a possibility. Yes. Uh, you know, honestly, who wants

00:45:12.000 Nadeem Zahawi? Who wants Nadeem Dorries? Who wants even Generic, who's involved with a lot of this stuff?

00:45:18.160 And, and Suella, who was home secretary, I mean, their, Generic and, and Braverman, their signature

00:45:23.840 was on the, on the Bibby Stockholm deal. Yeah. The contract, 1.5 billion down the gurgler. Yeah.

00:45:29.760 The Bibby Stockholm is now a state liability because nobody knows what to do with it. Yeah.

00:45:34.320 Nadeem Dorries drafted the online harms bill, the safety bill. So it's just, why would you want me?

00:45:39.440 I mean, she's been very unpleasant about me. I don't know the woman. And I frankly, thank goodness. 0.99

00:45:43.760 But Nadeem Zahawi was the architect of the vaccine passports that thankfully never came to fruition. 0.86

00:45:49.200 Covid, let's not start me on Covid. You and I rudely agree on Covid. I mean,

00:45:53.280 the decision making over Covid by the Tories. Barbaric. Again, you argue that it might be linked

00:45:59.680 to organized crime because the dishing out of all these contracts and the enriching of so many people

00:46:05.040 with no justification for it and the damage they did to the young children and, and the actual sort of

00:46:10.640 misallocation of money everywhere was just staggering. Yeah. And now they don't want to

00:46:15.760 talk about it. Yeah. Nobody wants to talk about it. So what, what I'd like to talk about to end then

00:46:20.320 is, um, what's next? What's, uh, what's going on now? What's the next plan for us? Well, we've got to

00:46:26.720 build. And as I say, give people the opportunity to vote for something new. And if they vote for

00:46:32.960 something new and they deliver us the mandate in parliament and we get these wonderful people

00:46:38.080 working bottom up as well, which is incredibly important too, as you say,

00:46:42.160 we can, we can, we can all become the catalyst for the change that's so badly needed.

00:46:47.440 But if everybody's happy with all the rules and the regulations and the tax they're paying and the,

00:46:53.680 the abuse they get from, uh, uh, state bodies and local government bodies and the failures of the

00:47:00.160 post office and the failures of inflected blood scandal and the Covid response and, uh, all of the things

00:47:07.600 that, that, that, that are plaguing Britain, then fine, look, vote for, vote for more of that.

00:47:14.000 I mean, I, I, I'm trying to change that. Now, I think it's an important point, this,

00:47:20.320 and I said it in my speech, it isn't going to be easy, Carl, but in the same way that I don't

00:47:25.920 think Britain voted for Brexit, which by the way, hasn't been delivered for financial reasons,

00:47:31.120 they voted for Brexit for sovereignty reasons. And, and with sovereignty, I, I mean, in the end,

00:47:37.600 if it had been handled properly, it would bring financial benefits, but in the short term, they

00:47:42.640 knew that was not going to follow. And if you vote for me, I'm not offering you a financial nirvana.

00:47:49.920 I'm not offering you anything other than slightly a hair shirt in the short term, because we've all had

00:47:57.520 too much, uh, what I call, uh, pretense and false living, too much quantitative easing,

00:48:05.200 too much self-delusion. And we've got to really now get down and start to do what made this country

00:48:12.080 great. And that is work, work if you can invest, take risk, reward people who take risk and, and

00:48:21.680 succeed. Don't tax people, uh, if they build up a fortune, I want people to be rich. I want them to

00:48:29.040 be independent. I want them to be high-minded. I don't want to take their farms or their businesses

00:48:35.120 of them. I don't want Larry Fink buying up Britain. I want Brit Britain to be a nation of people as we

00:48:43.200 were when we annoyed Napoleon so much. I want them to be a nation of principles of people who

00:48:49.920 have an interest in the country, a stake in the country. I don't want statism. I hate it. I don't

00:48:56.000 want, uh, central planning. I don't want Fabianism. I don't want Pabloism. I want individualism.

00:49:03.440 I want to be a nation of principles who care about the country, who aren't always going to agree,

00:49:11.840 who will have honest debate with each other. That's what Parliament should be. And when we get

00:49:17.120 649 other people in Parliament, we're not going to agree on everything. But all we've got to agree on

00:49:23.520 is that we want our country back. That's the initial place to start. And then you have the debates.

00:49:29.760 Once you put the nation first, and then you put your petty squabbles second, and you in Parliament

00:49:36.240 argue that Carl's constituency deserves this, and Rupert's doesn't, and somebody else's might

00:49:42.720 have a better claim on it than yours. And that's, that's how Parliament used to work. But they were

00:49:47.120 all people at stake in Britain. You know, that's, so I don't, I don't know where it's going to go,

00:49:54.240 but I think, I've got a hunch we can win. My team didn't think we'd win in Great Yarmouth,

00:49:59.200 which we did. They actually have a much greater confidence in our success now. So

00:50:06.880 it's not really my success, it's, it'll be the people's success, because I think it's the people

00:50:12.720 who, if they want change, will vote for it. Now, we've obviously got people in society who are

00:50:17.760 freeloading, who are, who are living on the back of honest taxpaying, law abiding citizens,

00:50:23.840 they're not going to want it, because they're pork barreling. And I don't want their vote, because, 0.99

00:50:29.600 you know, if you're not prepared to work, don't vote for me, because I'm going to reward work. I'm going to

00:50:34.880 reward enterprise, I'm going to reward risk taking. And I want, I want a society that looks after the

00:50:40.640 most vulnerable, we must do that, we've always done that, even when we had no, virtually no government,

00:50:46.240 you had the friendly societies, and there was always a network of support for those people in

00:50:51.760 genuine need. What I don't want is a society that rewards shirkers who sign themselves off with back 1.00

00:50:58.480 pain, or headaches, or whatever. Doctors who give people sick notes for nothing. I just don't want

00:51:09.040 all that. I want honesty. And I want, I want honesty, I want hard work. I want, I want the

00:51:16.480 return of the Protestant ethic. I want Max Weber, the spirit of what was it, the spirit of capital, 0.75

00:51:22.880 the Protestant ethic and the spirit of capitalism. Max Weber, great book, another book for people to

00:51:28.560 read. But, so that's, that's, that's me. I'm, I'm not complex, Carl. I'm pretty straightforward.

00:51:33.920 And, you know, I'm not what you see as what I am. Thanks so much for joining me.

＂Spread the Word＂｜ Interview with Rupert Lowe MP

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＂Spread the Word＂ ｜ Interview with Rupert Lowe MP

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＂Spread the Word＂｜ Interview with Rupert Lowe MP