"Spread the Word" | Interview with Rupert Lowe MP
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Rupert Lowe MP, the political insurrectionist who's recently started the Restore Britain Party, much to the chagrin of everyone in the establishment, joins me to talk about his new political party and why he thinks it should become a political party.
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Hi folks, I have the pleasure of being joined by Rupert Lowe MP, the political insurrectionist
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who's recently started the Restore Britain Party, much to the chagrin of everyone in the
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establishment. I can't help but notice that you have a range of opinions from Zach Polanski to
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Nigel Farage, who are all essentially on the same Blairite point when it comes to the state of
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immigration, the country, the state itself, and the way that things should be run. And you seem
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to be the only person outside of that consensus. And so it's drawn a lot of ire towards you. How
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are things going? Well, we announced that we were going to set up as a political party, because as
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you know, Restore Britain was a movement, which I think has served its purpose. I wanted it to unite.
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It has to some extent united, and it's meant that I've got to know the Tories quite well. They've
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put me on the Public Accounts Committee to their credit. That's allowed me to see the extent of
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the waste that's going on within the civil service with no apparent care or respect for
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taxpayers' money. And I've sort of done two weeks of the rape gang inquiry, Carl, which I have to
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tell you was incredibly harrowing. I don't think in my life I've ever heard such horrific stories.
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It's quite clear to me, but I think it's important, and I get this point over to you, it's important,
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because when I was sitting listening to these testimonies, and we will be, Grantsmith,
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the barrister will be writing a report on everything. We interviewed lots of victims,
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lots of, you know, people who were explaining the sort of reasons why it's happening and why
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nobody's doing anything about it. So we've got... We've had a sort of cross-section, politicians,
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medics, you know, legal people. So we've discussed everything. But while I was in there, I thought,
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how can a state fail its people for 25 years so consistently? And that's both... It's all the
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existing political establishments. So they were all there. Whether they knew it was happening or not,
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I don't know. But the fact is, it has been happening on a grand scale across the country,
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everywhere. Despite what Sadiq Khan says, it's happening in London, as we sit here speaking.
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It's linked to organized crime. It's linked to county lines. And, you know, we... I'm not so
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interested in the ethnic origin of people doing it. I'm interested in how it's happened. It's about
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right and wrong. It's about a state that is allowing an evil to happen and to grow right under its very
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nose. So when I was sitting in those hearings, I came to the conclusion, how can anyone ever vote
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Labour again? You know, they virtually, to a man, voted against a statutory inquiry into this and have
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consistently resisted trying to claim it. So it's a siloed issue. Well, it's not a siloed issue.
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This is a systemic issue across Britain, and it needs to be dealt with. You've got the Tories who've
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been in power for a long time while this was growing. Nothing done about that. You've got the
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Lib Dems who sit there skating over the surface. And frankly, people like Zach Polanski, who mentioned
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just now, it's just a joke. I mean, if we follow Zach Polanski's politics and his economic policies,
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the country will disappear in a nanosecond. It's just la-la land, frankly. So I decided while I was
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in there that really the British people don't have anything on the smorgasbord of political parties
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which is going to deliver for them. Now, I'm only one man. I've got a fantastic young team around me.
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And unlike Nigel, I like to give my team a chance to speak. And if that means we end up with some
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controversy, I don't mind that. I think we want a party of young people. The young people have a
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stake in our society, and they should be involved. And as I said in the response to our video we did
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on the farm, which has had over 40 million views worldwide, and I think it's triggered something in
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other Anglo-Saxon nations across the world. They call me an elderly gentleman. I like to think
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I'm a young elderly gentleman, but unfortunately you can't defy the years, Carl. So look, I decided
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really we've got to win by 29. I've got to stand up. I am what you see. There's nothing
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complicated about me. I'm one of four boys, the oldest of four boys. I've lived my life honestly.
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I've worked all my life. I've built up everything I've got. And I don't want to see the country
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descend into a sort of Fabian catastrophe where injustices on the scale of the rape gang
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injustices have been happening. I just don't want to see that. So I'm there. If people don't want to
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vote for me, I'm happy to accept the fact that's not what they want, and they want more of what
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they've currently got. But if they want change, I think we genuinely offer them an opportunity to
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vote for a new political party, which we're going to have people from outside parliament going into
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parliament, people who've done things, people who've contributed to their communities. So I've now got
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to turn my attention to finding 649 other people and make sure they're on the electoral ballot paper
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at the next election. Because I think that way, we genuinely have a chance of restoring what used
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to be Britain, which is very much not Britain now. So, I mean, there are so many things to talk about,
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aren't there? I would say the first thing is, it is remarkable how many members the party has had
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in such a short period of time. We went through 70,000 members yesterday. I'm aware. It's just
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quite staggering how people are supporting us. And I encourage them not only to support us, but to
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spread the word. Because the media, as you know, black me out. You know, GB News, who set themselves
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up as a sort of an impartial broadcaster, haven't had me on since Nigel politically assassinated me.
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I virtually never hear from the BBC, they didn't cover the rape gang inquiry at all.
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So I think people have got to now wake up and understand that it's not only the political parties
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that aren't serving them. The media isn't serving them. It's the system itself. And the essence of a
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free, as you know, a free democracy is the media must act as the safeguard for the people in
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challenging the politicians. But the problem is they're all one big club. And part of the reason
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they cut me out is I'm not interested in going to have drinks with them and getting drunk in the
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bar late at night and doing all sorts of things that they think are okay. That's not what I want
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to do. I've got, you know, I like to walk around my farm, look at my crops. I like to talk to people
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who work for me and work with me. And I've got better things to do than, you know, cruise around
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with a bunch of lightweights. So I think you can see it now. It's just so obvious. And if the people
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can't see it, then open your eyes because it's there. It's there. But unfortunately, for them,
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thanks to Elon Musk, and thanks to social media, and thanks to the free speech that he's basically
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now embedded and Zuckerberg is following. So our following on Facebook's actually gone
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well through our following on X. So we've got our own platform. We're much bigger than most newspapers
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now. So I urge people spread the word. This isn't going to happen if people don't want it. And if
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they want it, as I say, you can't rely on a small group of people to do this. Everybody's got to do
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some heavy lifting now. So everybody's got to challenge petty bureaucracy. Everyone's got to
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challenge, you know, the rules, the regulations, all of the things that are oppressing us. Challenge it.
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Do not do it legally. Of course. But do not allow these petty bureaucrats and these people who are
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supposed to be serving you, don't allow them to push you around. They're your servant, not your master.
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Well, this has always been Bertrand Russell's complaint about bureaucracy. The individual is at
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the mercy of a system that is supposed to serve him, but has no incentive to. Every time you walk
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into a bureaucrat's office, you're a problem that he wishes wasn't there. He's not bound by profits.
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He's not bound by productivity. He's, in fact, hampered by those things. And the second that
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you require something from the bureaucracy, the bureaucrat just wants you to go away.
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So this is an old English complaint about bureaucracy, actually. You know, it's very well
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made by Bertrand Russell. But I think what's changed, Carl, is that in days gone by, I think there was
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a vocational drive for people to go into public service. First of all, you had, so I think you
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had decent people who did try and serve, who did try and do their best. But the problem is,
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that's all gone. And I think what's happened is, with the proliferation of the state, the
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proliferation of all the regulations and all the rules and all the things that tie us down and damage
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our quality of life, people have lost sight of what the state is there for. It is there to serve.
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That's its job. And the problem is, if you watch state getting out of control, as we've seen in
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the USSR, in the end, it implodes, because it becomes so inefficient that the only way to survive
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is to start lying to the state. And if people start lying to the state, then they get into the
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habit of lying. And once you get into the habit of lying, and this is actually what brought the
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USSR down more than anything, is that the only way to survive was to lie. Well, I don't want to live
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in a society like that. I want to live in a society where people are honest with each other. We can
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tell the truth. We aren't punished for telling the truth. But unfortunately, I think it was summed
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up the other day by a young kid, and they say out of the mouths of babes and sucklings, but
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he said to me, why is it that everybody who seems to work hard and do their best is punished,
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and everyone who seems to do nothing and not contribute is protected.
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I said to him, I think you're right, but I don't know the answer to that, because it seems like
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putting the cart before the horse, this whole thing's bonkers. And that's where we are. This
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was a kid. He could see it himself. So if he can see it, surely everybody else can see it. That's
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what we've got to change. I mean, it's very clear that it must be that the villains are in charge.
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I think we're probably in the hands of organized crime, Carl. I agree. I mean,
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it has to be the people in charge of villains for the honest, hardworking people to be the ones who
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get punished. This is Solzhenitsyn's measure of what was a communist state when law-abiding
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people are punished and criminals are set free. Which we've got now, I think.
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I mean, well, literally on day one, Keir Starmer opened the prisons, which is a typical communist
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tactic. So anyway, what I want to talk about, though, is the remarkable blooming of the Restore
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Britain movement and party in the last, what's it been, six days now? We launched it on Friday
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in Great Yarmouth, fittingly, at the coldest venue I've ever been at. I was actually shivering
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while I was giving my speech. The heating, whether it was working or not, I don't know, but the
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east wind was cutting through the building and it was so cold. I did actually contemplate speaking
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in my overcoat, but I decided that would have been discourteous. So it was so cold, but we got a huge
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turnout and I thought we had to launch it in Great Yarmouth, really. That was the place to do it.
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And since then, we've had the most incredible support. We did a video on the farm, which took us
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three or four hours, and that seems to have gone far around the world. I don't think it's probably
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just in Britain that we've got this malaise. I think this is something that obviously goes across,
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cuts across all Anglo-Saxon countries. So we've had people from obviously the Antipodes, we've had
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people from Canada, people from America, America particularly has gone, they've watched that video,
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which is where they called me an elderly gentleman on his farm. And we literally,
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I think we just spoke common sense. And that's what my entire philosophy is founded on. And I think
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common sense is what we need the return of in spades. So if people agree, I'm going to try and
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give them an option. If they don't agree, I think we're in deep trouble if we don't get something new
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by 29. If they don't agree, they've got Zach Polanski.
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They've got Zach Polanski. Well, good luck to them.
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But what I found remarkable about this, though, is the speed and the nerve that this has touched.
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Because there's actually quite an interesting comparison in Jeremy Corbyn's Your Party.
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Because Jeremy Corbyn represents the sort of antipode of the right, what we're doing here,
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in that it's a segment of, well, essentially communists in the country, who have a very
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popular figure in Jeremy Corbyn. And he launched his Your Party. I mean, it's been quite catastrophic
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in many ways. But we'll leave that to the side. But they very quickly got about 80,000 members.
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But that took them about a month to get to that stage. Whereas you've got 70,000 in the first week.
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When we had some before, I mean, Restore Britain had a bedrock of supporters. But we've had,
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I mean, we were, you know, for two or three days, we were putting on 10,000 a day.
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And I'm absolutely delighted. I feel humbled by the response. And I can assure people that we will do
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our very best. I mean, look, I've got a young team. My grandmother has saying, you know, the young are
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able, the old are wise. Well, I provide the wisdom, but I've got a great young team who provide the
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ability. Because, you know, I've come from the era, Carl, where when I was educated,
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we had the Gestetner machine. And I'm now running to keep up with all this digital technology and AI
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and everything else. But we're just about keeping, we're just about holding our own. But they are,
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I've got a great team. And their ability and their knowledge of the digital revolution
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eclipses mine. And without them, I don't think I would be able to do what I'm doing. But so I
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provide the wisdom and plot the course. And with their help, I hope we can do that for the British
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people. That's what we've got to try and do. So I think a lot of people would be interested in
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understanding party structure, the possibility of local branches, how they can get involved,
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how they can come and help. Well, I think the most important thing, and I'm, I was working on this,
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really, I've been working on it for the last couple of days, since I've had a bit of time,
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it's parliamentary recess, although I was in court, which we can talk about on Tuesday,
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all day. So literally, I was there all day, taking on the the independent complaint and
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grievance scheme. So we can talk about that in a minute, if you want. So I, my primary task now,
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we have got lots of local counsellors who want to defect to us, which some already have some are
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talking to us, I think they can see what we're trying to do and embrace it. So I would encourage
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them, I mean, come to us, it may take us time, because we are a small team, we are recruiting,
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but with recruitment comes risk, you if you're not careful, you end up importing people who are trying
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to do you harm. So we have to be very careful with that. But I mean, on the local level, come to us,
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we've obviously got Great Yarmouth first. And I see this, this bottom up approach from people taking
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control of their local councils, and the top down approach, which to me is the most important thing,
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because if we don't, if we don't get control of Parliament, it's very difficult to repeal what needs
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to be repealed. And it's very difficult. And I don't want to legislate. But if we have to legislate,
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that gives you the power to do it. And we need to control, control it. And you can see how powerful
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it is when Labour literally ran through the most ludicrous statues. And there's really very little
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that we that you can do, you know, when you go into the into the lobby, that you're going to
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be voted down by 350 to 120, or whatever, whatever, whatever, it can be a different number,
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but they always win. Yeah, the job, first of all, I think, is to encourage people who've done something
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in their communities who feel the same way as us, who are businessmen, who are doctors,
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who are scientists, who are people with with expertise in in in digital, the digital revolution,
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in cryptocurrency, come forward, make yourselves known. And let's get a slate of 649 other people,
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I've said outstanding great Yarmouth again, who share our vision, who want to change things for
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the British people for the better. That to me is that is the most important part of it. Meanwhile,
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those people who feel they can help locally, please do make yourselves known, come and help us. If you
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are a local councillor, come and join us, you're very welcome to do that. And, you know, if you feel
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driven to help with this change, I need it, we need help. As I said, we are a small team, we cannot,
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you cannot expect, and this is often, I think, something the British people have done, is they
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they love to comment, they've all got a view. It's a bit like when I was in football, everybody's got a
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view. But actually, you put them in the seat where they've got to actually make the decisions. It's a
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lot more difficult than they think. So I think, let's not just have a view. Yes. Let's all start doing
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some heavy lifting. Because this isn't going to happen if a small group of people try and do this.
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This is only going to happen, and that's why I like the term movement, if a movement of people
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who want their country back, who don't feel they're being properly governed, decide they want change.
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This is why I'm particularly interested in local branch structure. Because what I think is needed
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is the deputation of your authority to a branch chair and a small administrative body, you know,
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local treasurer and whatnot, in order to be able to begin organizing activists. So they can get leaflets
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printed, so they can go leafleting for you. So they can go and spread the word manually in their local
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community and show people, look, we're serious about this. Well, Great Yarmouth first is the model.
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So we're at the moment, as you know, the existing incumbents tried to, they've canceled the elections
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once, they tried to cancel them again. We did have a protest in Great Yarmouth on Saturday about it.
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And now the government has, I think, seen the error of their ways, and we are actually going to have
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the elections. There was another U-turn. So Great Yarmouth first, I think, is a blueprint. So we're,
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we've got nine county councils standing in Great Yarmouth. And as you know, the Labour government's
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trying to destroy the current structure of local government, which I completely disagree with.
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I mean, making local government bigger and bigger just means there's less and less
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accountability for the, for the people. Correct. So what we want is Great Yarmouth,
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if we can get, I think we've got seven already selected, we get another two candidates,
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some spoke at our, our, our event on Friday, and spoke beautifully. I mean, they, they,
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they share our, our vision. So if we can get nine standing in Great Yarmouth and win all nine of
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those seats, I think we can then help other people, to your point, who want to do the same in their
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constituency across the country. And then we can start to get bottom up change. But the most important
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thing, which we have to turn our attention to is the top down change. I think that these things are
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directly interlinked though, aren't they? You, you, to get the top down change, you have to be
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powerful at the bottom, I think. Exactly. The bottom, there's far more people at the bottom.
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But the people at the bottom can't flourish if the oxygen is all being sucked out at the top.
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Exactly. So, um, is there a mechanism for people to begin setting up, um, local branches? Well,
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I think send us messages, be a little bit patient, because we can't do it in a nanosecond,
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but we've got people on it. Right. And we are going to get some structures set up. Right. So,
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and we, we appreciate that's important too. Yes. But the most important thing I think is to make
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sure we get 649 other people on, on the next ballot paper for a general election. I think this is how
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you find them though. Uh, if you find competent local organizers in re in the various regions of
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the country, uh, allow them to build, uh, a branch, then I think that they can provide you with those
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experienced and committed people that you're looking for. Well, Greg Yarmouth first will be the model
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that I, I haven't got time to get involved in Greg Yarmouth first. We've never a team of people
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down there, as you said, treasurer, great guy. Yeah. Uh, uh, we've got a team of people who are
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literally on the ground doing it and other people, other people can do that. We can show them how to do
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that. Yes. In the same way that when we come to stand in the general election, we can show them how
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to use social media. We can show that we can help them in that respect. But if they're known in their
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local community, I want to delegate the power to them to be able to, uh, you know, communicate
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with people who know them and explain what we're doing and let them run. I can't, we can't do
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everything. I'm not, I'm not a central planner. I bloody hate central. That's the point I'm trying
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to make. I like, I like to delegate power, but they, they, they, they need a mechanism to be able
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to say, right. Okay. I've, I've signed the contract or whatever it is you need to do and say, right,
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we're going to set this branch up in Gloucester, in Oxford, in Swindon, in, you know, Derby,
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wherever it is, you know, people, people need to replicate what we've done. Well, I will show
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them how to do it. So, so that's why it's so important. We get great done with first right
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now. Yeah. And then we can show other people, but I'm getting messages every day, which are
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literally, how can I help? Like, what can I do for Rupert? We are so grateful for people coming
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forward, but they need, they need something to be able to do because there's a lot of energy at the
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moment. You need to harness it. So I, I, I would say, um, you know, uh, put, put someone, uh, in
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charge of a particular email address or something like that and say, look, um, when we've had so
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many emails, Carl, I can't tell you. I mean, we are literally having to bring people in just to
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respond to emails. And I, I would say this, I, you know, again, it's, it's a bit, if people just,
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if they trust us, which I hope they, they begin to do, then help us, give us a bit of time.
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If you, if you can start to do things yourselves, start to do them. It's, it's common sense really.
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Yes. Uh, and we will then provide you with everything that we've done and show you how to
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do it in great yarn with us to be the model. But I, again, I, I think people get themselves down
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a one way street. I get people going, I don't like your policy on the death penalty. I don't
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like your policy on this. Well, people aren't going to like every policy. What they've got to like
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is the principle of what we stand for. And within that we can then talk about the policy. And as you
00:23:24.400
know, our membership, there is a mechanism whereby not only can people put forward policy, but we can
00:23:29.840
also get our members to vote on it. So we, we hopefully don't just impose policy views. So taking
00:23:38.240
the death penalty, I mean, my opinion is, uh, uh, somebody like Axel Rudecabana or the Manchester
00:23:43.840
bomber who are beyond that guilty of, of killing other, uh, innocent young people. I see no point in,
00:23:51.200
in, in allowing them to spend and languish in prison for years. I would, I would exercise the death
00:23:57.200
penalty. Well, what's worse. I don't, I will accept other people's view if they don't agree with me.
00:24:01.520
Uh, people like Lucy let me, we, I've been through that. I think that's a very much a,
00:24:05.840
I mean, and David Davis tells me she's innocent. So that is a very different case. That is not
00:24:11.360
an open and shut case. Uh, Axel Rudecabana completely open and shut. Yeah. So I, that's my
00:24:18.400
opinion, but I, I accept the majority. I am in that way. I'm a Democrat, but I think we've got to start to
00:24:25.440
have punishment for criminals. I think people who, and we've got my favorite policy paper coming out,
00:24:31.920
Carl, an Englishman's home is his castle. You, you, you're going to love it. I know. So that's
00:24:36.480
coming out fairly shortly. That's, that's another document on top of the detain and deport, which,
00:24:41.680
where we go into, into the immigration issue in great depth. We've done one on the bridge pub
00:24:46.480
and we've got an Englishman's home is his castle. Now we've got to start to punish people who damage the
00:24:54.400
interests of other people, uh, steal from them, hurt them physically. Uh, you know,
00:25:00.560
and some of the sentences that are being handed down for rape now, just a farce.
00:25:04.480
That's disgusting. Um, but I think the judiciary has gone off the rails as well as the police and
00:25:10.240
local government and almost every organ of the state. And we're not going to get it back unless
00:25:16.160
we all get together and we say, we're not going to have it. So, so that's really what I think we're
00:25:20.720
trying to get, get to. But I, if people could just be patient, because there are only a few of us,
00:25:26.800
we, we, we, you know, people have been very generous in signing up and we've obviously got
00:25:31.600
some money now, but this is going to require funding. Yes. It's going to require money. You
00:25:35.680
can't do this. Uh, as you know, I give my salary to charity. I'm not in this to make any money. I've
00:25:40.800
got, I've got plenty of money. I don't need any money, but we do need money to fund the machine,
00:25:47.760
or as I call it, we need ammo. Yes. Ammo to basically drive what we're doing. And the ammo
00:25:54.480
is cash. And unfortunately that's just the way of the world. It is. Um, so let, let's talk about the,
00:26:00.080
um, the response. So we've, we've, we've covered the, the public response, which has been
00:26:04.720
insanely positive and much swifter than I really expected at all. I mean, when you dropped that
00:26:11.360
video, it was a big surprise to everyone and it was a brilliant video and everyone was like,
00:26:14.240
Oh my God, this is exactly what I want. Uh, I mean, I don't know. I like my favorite
00:26:18.560
was this American commentator called Asmogol. Well, my wife and I had a huge laugh watching
00:26:23.440
him. He was very funny. Brilliant. Brilliant. His comment. He's asked me onto his podcast.
00:26:27.200
I know. I know. He's, he's just said, uh, this, this, this guy's saying everything that I want
00:26:31.520
as if this is some sort of miracle solution to politics.
00:26:36.000
Yeah. But this is the miracle solution. Just do what people actually want done. This is all that we're
00:26:42.720
asking for. And the, the, the, the good thing about what you've done is you have a very strong
00:26:46.640
track record of actually doing things. Unlike certain other politicians who say, well, I'm
00:26:51.680
going to hold a rape gang inquiry and then do nothing. Uh, you have actually done these things.
00:26:55.600
That is a good case in point. I mean, to me claiming a headline and then doing nothing is
00:26:59.760
just dishonest. So I, I sat next to Nigel when he said, I will have this, uh, inquiry and he went on
00:27:06.000
all the radio and TV and podcast platforms to tell her, tell everybody he was going to do it.
00:27:12.080
And then he didn't do it. So I thought, well, I was in the chamber when you, when you said that
00:27:19.600
And I have to say, as I said, two weeks, it was two weeks, two of the, the, the least
00:27:24.080
enjoyable weeks of my life. I was following it very closely. Uh, we are going to be, and people
00:27:28.800
say we should have live streamed it. And I go, well, we couldn't live stream it because people
00:27:32.080
are breaking down in tears and for all your prurient interest in watching other people
00:27:37.360
in discomfort, we're not going to have that for welfare reasons. We decided it may also have put
00:27:42.240
people off, no live streaming, but we, we will release, uh, uh, the footage of it when it's, when
00:27:47.360
it's fair. And we are going to write a big report. Graham Smith, who's a fantastic guy. Who's,
00:27:54.560
you know, bravely, uh, a barrister. He's going to write a report and it will be hard hitting. I can
00:28:00.560
tell you God. Good man. And it is going to highlight exactly what's been going on. Good
00:28:05.520
man. So nobody, none of these little, what I call, uh, uh, you know, walk along the other side of the
00:28:12.800
street, looking the other way merchants who, and I, you know, which they've been doing for 25 years.
00:28:19.040
And this is what made me decide we need a new party, not a movement that there is. I just decided
00:28:26.160
that the fabric that we've got to work with isn't going to do the job. So we need something new.
00:28:32.720
And look, it's a huge undertaking. Do I need it at my age? Not really. Would I, as I said in my
00:28:39.520
speech on Friday, would I rather be sitting on a beach in Monaco? Possibly. But somebody, somebody's
00:28:46.400
got to do it. The country needs it. And somebody's got to unite the country because this is a great
00:28:51.120
country and we've got great people. And you know what? We're losing loads of them. But the thing,
00:28:56.000
loads of young people come to me. I'm going to Asia. I'm going to real economies where people,
00:29:01.920
people, uh, can see growth. They, they get rewarded for enterprise, rewarded for risk taking.
00:29:08.080
They get rewarded for making a contribution. Do we hear, you know, in iron round terms,
00:29:13.600
I think we're nearly, we're nearly where John Gault, uh, was, uh, in, in Atlas Shrugged,
00:29:19.680
which is my, one of my, as you know, my favorite, but we've talked about this before. Yeah.
00:29:24.000
But you talk to most people who've never heard of iron round, but iron round, you know,
00:29:26.960
the fountainhead and an Atlas Shrugged, two of the best books you can read.
00:29:31.040
So I just, I mean, I've just paid my taxes, obviously. And I just hate the government. I hate the
00:29:37.840
state. There's nothing more radicalizing than seeing the amount of the, because you can break it down to
00:29:43.120
exactly how many months in the year that you are working for the government.
00:29:45.760
Well, it's getting longer and longer. And it's, don't get me started. Um, right.
00:29:49.760
Let's, let's. And by the way, on the public accounts committee,
00:29:53.200
where I challenge these permanent sectors and these civil servants, the waste is off the scale.
00:29:59.760
It's off the scale. And the public needs to know that those taxes that they pay
00:30:05.280
are not definitively not being put to good use. They are being wasted, or as I prefer to say,
00:30:11.680
spunked up on the wall. So literally, it's not, it's not clever. And they don't care. These people
00:30:18.320
don't care. They got huge pensions, much bigger than the private sector.
00:30:21.200
They work less hours. They have less stress. They have more holidays.
00:30:24.800
I honestly, the arrogance that you see from these people and the dishonesty is just off,
00:30:30.000
it's off the scale. So, right. Getting, getting back to the political environment
00:30:35.760
in which, uh, restore has found itself. I can't help but notice that it's caused chaos
00:30:41.440
in the political, uh, discourse of the country. Um, because they're the, the, the people I've
00:30:48.240
noticed there are a lot of people on the left who have seen you with a fair amount of trepidation,
00:30:54.640
but there's not a lot they can do about it because they, of course, can't make a single argument
00:30:59.120
against anything that you're saying and arguing yourself, because you've already begun from a
00:31:04.160
position of these people are destroying the country and they want ruination. And so everything
00:31:09.200
they want, we are against, and we're going to go the opposite way. So the main, uh, the main, uh,
00:31:15.360
primary contender, I think in the immediate, um, moment is the parties on the right, which, um, I mean,
00:31:23.120
no one talks about the conservatives anymore. So unfortunately no one cares what they think.
00:31:27.680
Uh, but it's been very apparent that the reform party have been very shaken by this. Uh, it's,
00:31:34.640
they look very nervous. They've had some very poor responses to you and their activists seem to be
00:31:40.960
completely drowned out by yours. Um, what are your, what are your thoughts?
00:31:44.720
Can we talk about the conservatives? Because I think that's quite important. Um, I, I think Kim is a very
00:31:49.760
good lady and, and she did, and I gave her credit. Uh, she did come out in support of our rape gang
00:31:56.000
inquiry. She's got a problem though. And it's, it's, it's a, it's a big problem because the British public
00:32:05.440
are not going to forgive the Tories for failing to deliver for them with an 80 seat majority. I mean,
00:32:12.400
the power that Boris had to become the engineer for change and restoration was huge. And he, he just,
00:32:19.840
he actually did less than nothing. Oh, he betrayed us. He presided, he presided over mass legal
00:32:24.880
immigration as well as illegal immigration. I think he's a journalist. I don't think he's a man of
00:32:30.160
principle. I think he basically looks at the story, writes the story and moves on. I don't think he's got
00:32:35.760
a principle bone in his body. Uh, and yet, you know, he's incredibly popular with the British people,
00:32:40.720
but he let them down. So they're not going to forgive. I don't think the Tory party for that.
00:32:46.400
The equally, the Tory party, uh, as a result of Cameron selection policies is full of people
00:32:51.680
who aren't necessarily Tories by your definition or my definition. But what I would say is there are
00:32:56.720
some very good young Tories and, and because of the movement, I've got to know a lot of them. And I
00:33:02.320
have a huge amount of respect for them. They could make a contribution. They're largely new intake.
00:33:07.520
They're, they share a lot of the vision that we put forward at Restore Britain. And ultimately,
00:33:15.040
they're going to have to make the decision as to what they do with their careers. But
00:33:19.360
so I have, I don't hate the Tory party. I think Kemi and the current crop of Tories are victims of
00:33:27.440
history and victims of, of people who've failed to deliver for the British public and over a long
00:33:33.200
period of time. So Cameron played a part, you know, with his selection policies, uh, uh, you know,
00:33:38.240
he, he, he, he adored Tony Blair and he emulated him. So that, that's not Tony Blair is the root of a
00:33:46.800
lot of the evil that we've currently got. Uh, I watched a bit of it. I watched a bit of a,
00:33:51.040
bit of a, uh, uh, a documentary on him last night and you know, the older he gets, the more he looks
00:33:57.840
like the devil, uh, with that white hair and those piercing eyes. I, I can't help but get the image of
00:34:04.160
Beelzebub out of my mind. So, so look, I mean, I mean, reform, I would have helped Nigel become
00:34:13.200
prime minister. I thought Nigel shared what I wanted to achieve when he says I wasn't a team
00:34:19.280
player. I was, I, I, I drove reform support. I just got on with it. And you know, I, I didn't
00:34:26.560
demand anything. I was cut out of press conferences. I wasn't included. I think the rot started when I
00:34:32.720
gave that speech in September 24 at the, at the conference where Nigel, I said to him about a week
00:34:38.400
before the conference at the NEC, I think there were about four and a half thousand people there.
00:34:42.400
It was, it was September 24, uh, just after we'd been elected. And I said to Nigel,
00:34:48.400
do you want to read my speech? Cause I write my speeches. I like to put a few quotes and
00:34:52.720
the historical context into it. No, I never, I never read a speech. I never write a speech.
00:34:59.120
So I don't want to read your speech. I said, well, look, you know, if you don't read my speech,
00:35:03.120
you don't know what's in it. So, uh, after I spoke, I spoke for 23 minutes and I wrote the speech
00:35:10.480
myself. I put in everything I believe about Tony Blair, about everything from 20 mile an hour limits
00:35:17.760
to DEI. It's all there. That's, that's, that's our low political philosophy. So if anybody hasn't seen
00:35:23.200
it, watch that. If you want to, if you want to know what I think it's all in there, quotes, everything.
00:35:29.040
Uh, and I'm, I don't deliver a speech as well as Nigel because I, I'm, you know, I, I just,
00:35:36.480
he's good at that. That's his, you know, as I say, he's a good ballroom entertainer. He can stand up on
00:35:40.160
his back two legs and you listen to what he says. Most of it's the same, but it's just put in a
00:35:44.720
different way. And it's, you know, he's good at it. I don't like all the balloons and the razzmatazz
00:35:49.760
and all the, all the other malarkey that goes with, I don't like all that tacky stuff, but that's,
00:35:56.000
that's what he likes. So that's what he does. So, you know, the issue yesterday,
00:36:01.760
I think all day before he was saying I'd failed at WHR and well, I didn't. I, I, I sold my shares
00:36:07.200
at one pound 40 when I left in 2015. And I saw the other day, they'd been taken over at three
00:36:12.640
peer share. So that hasn't gone too well for people since I left Southampton. I built the youth academy.
00:36:17.920
I built the stadium. I had sold Theo Walcott, which is largely why the fans turned on me,
00:36:22.320
who I'd created having bought him from Swindon for 2000 pounds, sold him to Arsenal for 12 million
00:36:29.040
pounds. And he's a great boy. You know, he was, I liked him very much as Gareth Bale and, and, and
00:36:34.960
Adam Lallana. And, you know, you can go on, you know, we actually set the academy up because I'm,
00:36:40.320
you know, I'm a sportsman. I played, played reasonably competitive hockey. I love sport.
00:36:43.920
And best day of my life is when we got to the cup final in 2003. Sadly, we lost to Arsenal 1-0,
00:36:49.280
could have won that one. So, uh, look also, he said, I failed there. I didn't, I never sued him.
00:36:56.080
Uh, I, when he stood down in all the Tory seats and I, he left me in a Labour seat in Dudley North.
00:37:02.560
And, you know, people of Dudley North are great people, black country, very, very good people,
00:37:07.360
been very badly let down by, by, by, by various post-war governments, proud people. Uh, and I
00:37:14.880
probably had a good chance of winning it, but equally when Nigel stood down, it was a Labour seat
00:37:20.640
by 23 votes. So when Nigel stood down, I had a decision to make and he did, he did it. He stood
00:37:26.320
down unilaterally. It was his decision. Nobody else, nobody else was, Nigel doesn't discuss and he just
00:37:31.280
does what he wants. It's a dictatorship. So as you can see from even recently, when he announced his
00:37:37.040
shadow cabinet, they're all there, I mean, you know, Nigel's there at the center of it all,
00:37:40.640
none of them really say very much. Uh, uh, so basically, uh, uh, you know, he attacked me,
00:37:48.960
said I sued him. I didn't sue him. When I stood down, I told Tice, who was chairman,
00:37:53.760
Tice failed to tell Nigel. Nigel then blew up when I, when I stood down and, and Ian Austin told me,
00:37:59.280
with 23, 23 vote majority Labour had there, I would have split the vote and let in a momentum
00:38:05.680
Labour candidate, which I didn't want to do. Yeah. He went on to, I said, look, Nigel,
00:38:09.760
you can't keep saying these things that they're just wrong. I told Richard, I mean, look, I don't
00:38:14.080
want to go through the history of it. I know the history is good enough for me. But what he said
00:38:18.160
yesterday was, was not only factually inaccurate. It was, it was just petty and wrong. And what it shows me
00:38:29.520
is that to your point, they are worried. They are worried. And they, they created this situation
00:38:37.680
when he tried to politically assassinate me, not just say to me, you're not for me,
00:38:43.840
go and sit behind us as an independent. And as IU Khan said the other day, watch the rubbish
00:38:50.080
build up in front of you. Uh, uh, which, which I thought was a great line. It was a good line.
00:38:55.280
That I would have accepted, but no, two false witness statements that are arguably illegal.
00:39:01.760
My guns taken away, accused of bullying, accused of early onset dementia. I mean,
00:39:06.880
this is a real proper hit job. It was absolutely. Traditionally, Nigel hit job of the first order.
00:39:12.400
And I, and I say to people now, look, I survived it. A lot of people didn't. Stephen Wolf didn't,
00:39:18.960
Kilroy Silk didn't. There's a, there's a great list of people who haven't survived it.
00:39:25.120
I've survived it. And I've, and I've marched on. But the question I would say to people is,
00:39:30.400
can you really trust somebody? And he let the mask slip in his speech when he said he had to
00:39:35.920
get rid of me because of my views on immigration, which again, he misquoted me on. Yes. I have never
00:39:41.840
said whole communities of British passport holders should be deported. I've never said that. No,
00:39:47.200
that is just utter rubbish. Well, he knows it, he knows it, but he's just trying to, you know,
00:39:53.120
create some histrionic headline. It's drivel. Well, you, you said to deport people who knew
00:39:57.680
about the grooming gangsters and people who are complicit in the grooming gangsters.
00:40:00.320
He tried to edit my speech in Northwest Essex. He tried, and I spent 20 minutes in a hotel room
00:40:06.400
with him because he tried to get his little man of 24 to tell me to take my speech. I said, no,
00:40:11.840
I'm not taking it from you. I'm, uh, if Nigel wants me to change my speech, he needs to tell me
00:40:16.160
himself. So we went up to a hotel room, tried to take the word mass out of deportation, which I was
00:40:21.600
talking about. You can watch the speech. It's the one in, in, in Northwest Essex at the end of,
00:40:26.000
end of January 25, which he asked me to go and speak at, by the way, gives you about three days'
00:40:32.320
notice and expects you to go and speak. So I did speak. And the other thing he tried to take out
00:40:37.600
was where I said that if you are a part of a family who is living with a Pakistani Muslim rapist,
00:40:47.120
who's been raping and abusing underage, vulnerable, white, working class English girls on a consistent
00:40:54.080
basis, which he knows has been happening from the rape gang inquiry. Then if you're a dual national,
00:40:59.680
or you are a foreign national and you knew about this evil, then you should be deported.
00:41:06.080
He wanted me to take that out of my speech. I said, no, I'm not taking that out. I took out
00:41:09.840
the word mass. And now I find it quite entertaining that Zia Yusuf's talking about mass deportation.
00:41:15.200
The very things that they arguably, uh, politically assassinated me over, they're now saying themselves.
00:41:22.160
Well, this, this is the thing. I mean, two of my lads, Dan Tubbs and Bodade,
00:41:25.520
uh, were standing as reform candidates until they quoted the reform manifesto and the reform
00:41:33.360
top brass said, no, you're out of the party now because this has created a headline.
00:41:37.760
And it's like, but it's in your manifesto, like that you're going to deport every illegal immigrant
00:41:42.480
in the country. That's in your manifesto. And Bo got kicked out of the party for saying that.
00:41:47.520
Well, it's ridiculous. But I think, I think, as you say, Nigel does shift and change and, you know,
00:41:53.520
uh, uh, he does it to, to, to, to, to, to get a headline. Uh, I, I, I mean, look, I don't really
00:42:00.400
want to talk about reform. I'm, I'm more interested in providing the British people with, I mean,
00:42:06.000
I know the truth that that's good enough for me. If people trust me, they, they, they, they should be
00:42:10.800
able to see the truth. If they can't then tough. I mean, I don't know. I can do about that. Yeah.
00:42:14.240
But if they, if they want change, let's, let's not worry about, about, about them. You know,
00:42:21.200
I personally don't think they treated their branches very well, which is why a lot of the
00:42:25.120
local councillors. Abominable. It's famous. They were, they were treated like sort of,
00:42:29.120
I mean, these are people who are doing it voluntarily. They care about their community.
00:42:32.000
They care about the local council. Give them, as you say, delegate some power to them.
00:42:36.720
Let them get on with it. Let them get on with it. Not treat them as if they're numpties.
00:42:41.200
Oh, they, they treat them as if they're a hindrance. Correct.
00:42:44.240
As if they don't want them. And, you know, suddenly this is a use of business. I don't
00:42:47.920
know where he came from. And I said to Nigel, look, he's come in. Uh, he's putting in, you know,
00:42:53.760
I've put in quite a lot of money. I paid for my own, uh, uh, candidacy in Kingswood. I paid
00:42:58.960
for my own candidacy in Great Yarmouth. They got no support from the party. Um, I chose to go to
00:43:05.120
Great Yarmouth. Uh, Richard Tice chose Boston. Uh, and you know, the achievement was that we all broke
00:43:11.120
into parliament. That was a huge achievement from all of us, but I've put in probably over the years.
00:43:16.960
And if you, if you take all my political attempts to save the pound through the referendum party,
00:43:21.760
to business for Sterling, to vote, leave, to, you know, to, to, to, to my campaign, uh, the Brexit
00:43:28.880
party, I, I put a lot of money and a lot of time, a lot of energy into it. So I said to Nigel,
00:43:33.440
he said he was thinking of appointing him chairman, having removed Richard as leader and made him
00:43:38.640
chairman. He was then removing Richard as chairman and making use of chairman. And now I think Richard's
00:43:44.320
got some sort of sideline job in, in, in the cabinet as, as, you know, business and whatever else.
00:43:51.040
But look, I, you know, he use of appeared and I said, no, why do we need to bring somebody in now?
00:43:58.880
We've done all the work. We've created this, a group of us. Why do you want to bring in a potential
00:44:04.480
free radical? And I checked him out. You know, he's not a great guy. Uh, uh, I, I never threatened
00:44:12.640
him. We had an argument because he tried to mess around with my branch in, in great Yarmouth. Yeah.
00:44:19.520
So I said to him before a meeting, I said, Zia, last time I checked, there was 650 MPs in parliament.
00:44:26.640
We've got five of them. When you've got the other 645 constituencies running on rails,
00:44:33.360
then you can start messing around in my constituency till then sex and travel. That's what I said to him.
00:44:39.600
And he didn't like that. Yeah. So, so that's what played the part. Um, but let's not talk about
00:44:46.080
reform, Carl. Well, I, I, I, I think that I think their support is waning fast. And I think
00:44:53.520
people can see that hiring Tories who, who are associated with past failures,
00:45:00.160
and I'm just waiting for him to appoint Nadeem Zahawi as foreign, as foreign secretary, that, that,
00:45:05.120
that, that we're, we, we, we here could be a possibility. Yes. Uh, you know, honestly, who wants
00:45:12.000
Nadeem Zahawi? Who wants Nadeem Dorries? Who wants even Generic, who's involved with a lot of this stuff?
00:45:18.160
And, and Suella, who was home secretary, I mean, their, Generic and, and Braverman, their signature
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was on the, on the Bibby Stockholm deal. Yeah. The contract, 1.5 billion down the gurgler. Yeah.
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The Bibby Stockholm is now a state liability because nobody knows what to do with it. Yeah.
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Nadeem Dorries drafted the online harms bill, the safety bill. So it's just, why would you want me?
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I mean, she's been very unpleasant about me. I don't know the woman. And I frankly, thank goodness.
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But Nadeem Zahawi was the architect of the vaccine passports that thankfully never came to fruition.
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Covid, let's not start me on Covid. You and I rudely agree on Covid. I mean,
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the decision making over Covid by the Tories. Barbaric. Again, you argue that it might be linked
00:45:59.680
to organized crime because the dishing out of all these contracts and the enriching of so many people
00:46:05.040
with no justification for it and the damage they did to the young children and, and the actual sort of
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misallocation of money everywhere was just staggering. Yeah. And now they don't want to
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talk about it. Yeah. Nobody wants to talk about it. So what, what I'd like to talk about to end then
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is, um, what's next? What's, uh, what's going on now? What's the next plan for us? Well, we've got to
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build. And as I say, give people the opportunity to vote for something new. And if they vote for
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something new and they deliver us the mandate in parliament and we get these wonderful people
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working bottom up as well, which is incredibly important too, as you say,
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we can, we can, we can all become the catalyst for the change that's so badly needed.
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But if everybody's happy with all the rules and the regulations and the tax they're paying and the,
00:46:53.680
the abuse they get from, uh, uh, state bodies and local government bodies and the failures of the
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post office and the failures of inflected blood scandal and the Covid response and, uh, all of the things
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that, that, that, that are plaguing Britain, then fine, look, vote for, vote for more of that.
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I mean, I, I, I'm trying to change that. Now, I think it's an important point, this,
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and I said it in my speech, it isn't going to be easy, Carl, but in the same way that I don't
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think Britain voted for Brexit, which by the way, hasn't been delivered for financial reasons,
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they voted for Brexit for sovereignty reasons. And, and with sovereignty, I, I mean, in the end,
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if it had been handled properly, it would bring financial benefits, but in the short term, they
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knew that was not going to follow. And if you vote for me, I'm not offering you a financial nirvana.
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I'm not offering you anything other than slightly a hair shirt in the short term, because we've all had
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too much, uh, what I call, uh, pretense and false living, too much quantitative easing,
00:48:05.200
too much self-delusion. And we've got to really now get down and start to do what made this country
00:48:12.080
great. And that is work, work if you can invest, take risk, reward people who take risk and, and
00:48:21.680
succeed. Don't tax people, uh, if they build up a fortune, I want people to be rich. I want them to
00:48:29.040
be independent. I want them to be high-minded. I don't want to take their farms or their businesses
00:48:35.120
of them. I don't want Larry Fink buying up Britain. I want Brit Britain to be a nation of people as we
00:48:43.200
were when we annoyed Napoleon so much. I want them to be a nation of principles of people who
00:48:49.920
have an interest in the country, a stake in the country. I don't want statism. I hate it. I don't
00:48:56.000
want, uh, central planning. I don't want Fabianism. I don't want Pabloism. I want individualism.
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I want to be a nation of principles who care about the country, who aren't always going to agree,
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who will have honest debate with each other. That's what Parliament should be. And when we get
00:49:17.120
649 other people in Parliament, we're not going to agree on everything. But all we've got to agree on
00:49:23.520
is that we want our country back. That's the initial place to start. And then you have the debates.
00:49:29.760
Once you put the nation first, and then you put your petty squabbles second, and you in Parliament
00:49:36.240
argue that Carl's constituency deserves this, and Rupert's doesn't, and somebody else's might
00:49:42.720
have a better claim on it than yours. And that's, that's how Parliament used to work. But they were
00:49:47.120
all people at stake in Britain. You know, that's, so I don't, I don't know where it's going to go,
00:49:54.240
but I think, I've got a hunch we can win. My team didn't think we'd win in Great Yarmouth,
00:49:59.200
which we did. They actually have a much greater confidence in our success now. So
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it's not really my success, it's, it'll be the people's success, because I think it's the people
00:50:12.720
who, if they want change, will vote for it. Now, we've obviously got people in society who are
00:50:17.760
freeloading, who are, who are living on the back of honest taxpaying, law abiding citizens,
00:50:23.840
they're not going to want it, because they're pork barreling. And I don't want their vote, because,
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you know, if you're not prepared to work, don't vote for me, because I'm going to reward work. I'm going to
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reward enterprise, I'm going to reward risk taking. And I want, I want a society that looks after the
00:50:40.640
most vulnerable, we must do that, we've always done that, even when we had no, virtually no government,
00:50:46.240
you had the friendly societies, and there was always a network of support for those people in
00:50:51.760
genuine need. What I don't want is a society that rewards shirkers who sign themselves off with back
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pain, or headaches, or whatever. Doctors who give people sick notes for nothing. I just don't want
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all that. I want honesty. And I want, I want honesty, I want hard work. I want, I want the
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return of the Protestant ethic. I want Max Weber, the spirit of what was it, the spirit of capital,
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the Protestant ethic and the spirit of capitalism. Max Weber, great book, another book for people to
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read. But, so that's, that's, that's me. I'm, I'm not complex, Carl. I'm pretty straightforward.
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And, you know, I'm not what you see as what I am. Thanks so much for joining me.