The Age of Liberals Is Over
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A quick discussion about the state of the country at the moment and the failure of the social contract society, and the need to go back to the original assumptions that built the society and ask ourselves whether there have been mistaken assumptions at the bottom of them.
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hi folks i thought we'd have a quick discussion about just the state of the country as it is at
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the moment because it's very clear to everyone that things are going wrong but the people
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who are in charge of the country and the various layers of political management the
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local councils the media the academics that there's a general sense that this has all gotten
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away from everyone and that they don't know what to do and so the answers that they present to us
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are just more of the same this is morally the right thing to do and therefore we're going to continue
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doing it and well we just got to hope we can keep the lid on the pressure cooker because otherwise
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things go horribly horribly wrong the problem they have is the pressure is building quite high and it
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looks like the lid isn't going to be kept on the pressure cooker and so we have to go back to the
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original assumptions that built the society we currently have the values that we're told are
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british values that made this society the the brilliant society that is and ask ourselves whether
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there have been any mistaken assumptions perhaps at the bottom of them and so we live in what i'm going
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to call a social contract society now we don't have a social contract you might be thinking of the united
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states with their constitution that is a social contract society that has a social contract france
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is a social contract society or at least a society masquerading as a social contract society that has a
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social contract for good or for ill we don't have that you don't have a list of enumerated rights in a
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document that you can use to make an appeal through the supreme court the supreme court in this country
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is a bit of a strange beast because it has to use precedent that is built up through common law and
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legislation which all can be changed at any time by any government so you are in a particularly strange
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position because this is a bit alien to us is the way that things are in this country we are not a social
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contract society we are a familial society we are a tribal society we are a historic uh sentimental
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society and so having this imposed upon us is a strange thing and we don't handle it well because
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the social contract society is premised on the blank slate view of humanity is premised on the idea that
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everyone is fundamentally the same and only made different by their social surroundings by the
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civilization in which they were born and raised and that means that everyone being rational animals
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that's the the usual sort of aristotelian definition of what a human is if we're all just rational animals
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then what we can do is set up a set of laws and rules and norms that are rationally justifiable
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and everyone will therefore be compelled to follow them through the innate rationality of the system that
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we have and that seems reasonable on paper that seems reasonable when you have a society that is
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quite homogenous that has a overwhelmingly vast population the percentage of the population who
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have been born and raised in a certain set of unspoken rules and assumptions and ways of doing
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things or folk ways uh in which everyone finds that to be completely normal and so they for most of their
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day they're actually not making rational decisions they're just following habits they're just going
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through the motions as normal and as things always have been to them and so their interaction with the
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state is predicated on this huge series of particulars these particular norms for this particular place for
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these specific people following this individual history of the nation and this is not something
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universalizable or interchangeable and people who come from other countries other civilizations they have
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completely different experiences of the universe they have completely different expectations of what
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people should be like and we've brought millions of them in and said right okay these are the rules
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and you're rational human beings and therefore carry on everything should be fine well it turns out that
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actually this whole system was predicated on a specific kind of rationality because actually there are
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different kinds of rationality than the modern liberal materialistic view of the universe there are other
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ways of seeing the universe and this has real consequences with what happens in society and whether
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someone follows the rules and then you've got the question of mental health what if there are
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populations that have dramatically higher rates of mental um mental illness than the native population that
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everyone expects to just get on with life what happens when those people have like breakdowns or
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episodes or whatever you want to call them um the rules of the social contract society only abide
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whilst everyone is a rational actor within the system and agrees to them and the second that someone
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doesn't agree to them well then they're worth nothing and they mean nothing and actually this is
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it's these breaches that we're seeing that are creating the terrible environment in which we're
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finding ourselves that are creating the sense of degradation and insecurity because a lot of the
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people who are committing the atrocities that we're seeing on a near daily basis these days
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probably wouldn't be the same in other societies because the point of a social contract society
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is to make it so that everyone is essentially maximally free of one another and not dependent
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on social groups not dependent on the people around them and we assume in the english and anglosphere
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countries that this is normal because to us this is normal frankly to the protestant world this is
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normal having atomic and nuclear families that don't have a huge and a deep web of deeply interconnected
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familial relations around themselves is is an unusual thing that's only the northwest europeans that do that
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every other place now this is to france the mediterranean uh obviously africa india south america
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wherever everywhere else in the world has much tighter familial relations and much more extended
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families living in much closer proximity i mean this is one of the things that happened during covid is
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they found oh wait covid is by way more it's affecting to a much greater degree the ethnic minority
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communities why is that well it's often because there are multiple generations packed into a house
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like three or four generations are often packed into one household in these communities because that's
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how they live that's that's the normal state of life for them and so this affects them more than it
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affects us now it doesn't matter outside of these sort of things it seems but what that means and
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you'll you'll doubtless have seen um indians in particular but like people from all over the world
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uh when they're in public just constantly talking on their phones they need to be in constant
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communication with the their friends and family their wider support the community network they need to be in
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constant contact with these people and to an english person and to a westerner generally this is a bit
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weird like we expect a bit of privacy actually even when we're in public we expect our privacy
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and these people don't have that expectation at all they don't have privacy at home let alone in
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public and so you can feel the difference and the distinction of having all of these people with
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very different social systems being put among us with our particular social systems and so in their
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society they would have people who would be closely around them closely linked around them socially
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that would be dealing with the problems that they have uh but we don't provide that in the west and
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often a lot of these people are not here with an extended familial or social network and so they're
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just kind of left on their own they they've this is freedom this is what total freedom is in the
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social contract society no one owes you anything you are to get along as best you can and that seems
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normal for us but that is wild and weird and alien to them and we're just kind of dumping them in our
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our society that from their perspective probably looks mad and saying look here are the rules just get on
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with it that's not normal most societies are not like this most societies do not have this level of
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freedom and they don't think in the same way we do and we don't understand them and they don't
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understand us and it was assumed though because they're all rational animals they're all the same
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rational people these rules are you any any rational person could universally assent to these
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rules and therefore they would be able to get along with us just as well as anyone else and i think that
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that is being proven to be false i actually think that the pre-rational habitual nature of man
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that we are born and raised into without thinking about it without even having without even explaining
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it to ourselves when we're in school all of these pre-rational assumptions actually really matter because
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i think they they take up most of the person's day i think if you actually think about it how many times
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did you sit down and derive a conclusion from premises rationally in your mind how many times did you
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sat out a syllogism in your head and derived a conclusion that was logically coherent and the
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answer is going to be zero practically very few times during the day do you actually have to perform
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any kind of formal logic to get through your day most of what you do is just habitual and so this
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actually is really important and we need to start thinking in terms that are much more particularist
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when it comes to who actually makes sense to be here and what we are doing to them by bringing
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them in like we have got essentially a kind of lure on a on a fishing line that is the apparent
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material prosperity of the west and the the technological advancements and success that we've had
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and this this this is a very irresistible lure but there are i think there are a lot of people who end up
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coming here who realize that actually from their perspective what we're running is a bit of a mad
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house actually this is not how civilization should be from their perspective even if we think that this
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is how things should be to them this seems kind of mad and so like i said you have a situation where
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we've brought in millions of people who don't understand us and we don't understand them and we've
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told them look we've got a set of rules that you know in the abstract you can rationally agree to
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presumably although there are definitely going to be examples where many of these new people are much
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more say socially conservative than the average british person ask the average african what they
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think about abortion or ask the average muslim immigrant what they think about you know abortion or
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gay rights or pride praise all this sort of and i mean they they don't agree with the rationality
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of how we got to the conclusions we got to with the rules that govern the social contract society
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but putting that aside they can say well look if it doesn't affect me i'm just here to make money or
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do whatever and maybe it's not a problem but this only obtains what while the system hasn't
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effectively driven the mad this only obtains while the logic of liberalism is prevailing over the
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logic of the belief systems that they have and were brought up in either in their home country or in
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their local communities here because they are still replicating the logic of their home communities
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in our countries and eventually i think that they find themselves in a position where they have to
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essentially choose the logic of the home country or the logic of the liberal modern materialist
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civilization and i think a lot of them to choose the opposite i think a lot of them you know i'm
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actually against it and i actually want to take revenge on society more broadly and i think that
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that is a large part of what jihadi terrorism is about so mi5 tell us that muslim terrorism is by far
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the most prevalent kind of terrorism that they have to constantly foil and they are constantly foiling
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terror attacks that never come to pass and we'll talk about some of them in a minute and most of
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these are from people who i'm going to say are not ethnically british as in english scottish welsh or
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northern irish or irish more broadly um but they are either themselves immigrants or the children of
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immigrants from non-native ethnic groups and this is just overwhelmingly what mi5 spend their time
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doing in fact the henry jackson society tells us that there are 43 000 people on the terror watch list
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at the moment and 39 000 of them are muslims so that's an interesting statistic that makes you wonder
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well how bad could it get if there was some kind of reason to provoke these people into action and we
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saw an example of that with the manchester synagogue attack in october just a month ago where a man called
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and i'm not making this up jihad al-shami which means holy warrior from syria that's his real name
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was brought over here as a refugee given indefinitely to remain and decided that because
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of the israel-palestine conflict what he needed to do is go to a synagogue in manchester and kill some
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jews which is what he did and you'll notice that these areas are deeply ethnically segregated as well
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we'd kind of created a microcosm of the israel-palestine conflict in manchester there was the area in
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which the synagogue was about 59 jewish and then the area that the man was from was right next door
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and about 60 muslim something like that and it's it's a question of okay well what happened to the
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social contract society here what what are we talking about what happened here we said oh well
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if you all just follow these rules rationally then we can all just live together in peace and harmony
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and mr jihad al-shami decided that actually he didn't care about the rationality of the liberal
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materialist order actually he believes in something transcendental he believes in a religion and this
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religion and the god of the religion gives him moral instructions or imperatives that he has to follow
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in order to be religiously proper and this is what all jihadi terrorism is about it's not just madness
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it's not just killing for the sake of killing it is to be in in their interpretation of islam
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religiously proper to do the right thing for the religion for the same reason that christians go
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to church these jihadis commit these terror attacks and so this is an intrinsic part of what we are
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dealing with in this community now it's not of course the the majority of the community and thank god
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but there is always a small percentage of this community that interprets this religion in this way
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and has decided to prioritize the violent and uh literal or excessive interpretation of the religion
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over uh over the importance of following the rules set by the liberal order and so you get the
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manchester synagogue attack and this is a perennial feature of this and this is just this is just the
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latest jihadi terrorist attack of course we have had loads we've had loads of them going in the
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manchester arena bombing the 77 attacks the london bridge attacks etc etc etc it goes on and on you
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can find the wikipedia article with the list of them if you want but there have been plenty and this is
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just a feature of life now as we said 39 000 of them being tracked by mi5 and i think it's worth
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pointing out that william the conqueror only brought 10 000 people to conquer england when he conquered the
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country i mean 39 000 is an army like that's bigger than isis was at its height so just saying that
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that's a large number of people that mi5 are worried they'll become actual terrorists so and and it's not
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like we don't keep seeing individuals radicalizing themselves presumably online but who knows god
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however they're radicalizing and committing atrocities and this is just a normal feature of life
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because we have introduced it to the country and this has just become what this country is about
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following the social contract means putting up with occasional islamic jihadi terrorist atrocities
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that's what it means we have to endure this to make sure that we have the rules-based liberal moral order
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they that that comes out of the kantian principles of the categorical imperative that any rational person
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could consent to in the kingdom events i i i didn't agree to this you didn't agree to this but this is
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what we now have and this isn't just immigrants either right yeah and it's very tempting to say
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well it's just an immigrant problem isn't it no it's actually not just an immigrant problem for example
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there was a man called anglo jihadi a recent convert called jordan richardson who was arrested in
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december last year uh for carrying around a recipe for mustard gas in his rucksack as well as plans
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to shoot stab and throw grenades at a crowd according to deposition at least crown court he also had
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linked to isis bomb making video that was used by the manchester arena bomber showing how to prepare
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high explosives and he had suggested an attack on a shopping center with to another fellow social media
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user and so he was arrested and while he was arrested he was told he told the prison guards
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he was a supporter of the islamic state i mean okay that's that's great isn't it now we've got some
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genuinely homegrown muslim terrorism because of a ginger convert islam but this is a a feature of
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having a multicultural society because it's highly unlikely that kid would have ended up converting
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to islam had there not been a substantive muslim community here and with the zeal of the convert
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he's decided yeah okay what do i need to do i need to attack the immoral society around me in which i was
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born and raised because actually the rules set by rationalist materialist liberalism are evil from this
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perspective and i need to attack the society writ large like an attack on a shopping center or the
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manchester arena or whatever these are not personal attacks these are not attacks drawn from a personal
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motive as in that person over there has wronged me and i'm going to do something about it when you have
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attacks and this is the same for school shootings in america by the way where they are uh not just
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school shootings just mass attacks on crowded areas where they're randomly shooting into crowds or
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randomly blowing up crowds or whatever it is these are attacks symbolically on the society itself
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i have access to your soft underbelly where you feel safe but are actually most vulnerable and i'm going
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to attack everyone indiscriminately in this area because they are all part of the society that has
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either wronged me in some way or is in some way morally degenerate and needs to be corrected and the most
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impactful way i as an individual suicide attacker or terrorist can do that is by just attacking you
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at random just you don't know who i am i don't know who you are and i'm just going to attack you as
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representatives of the society i hate and that's a bit of a problem isn't it if the social contract
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society is actually producing people who are prepared on a fairly regular basis to commit terror attacks
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or commit mass atrocities because the society itself is the problem well you're breeding the problem
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within your own borders but your own rule set your own british values are the things creating these people
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because you have assumed that the logic and values of liberal modernity the materialism and the rationalization
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of all rules is universally acceptable even to those philosophies that disagree with it and it turns
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up that's just not true and so you get suicide attacks you get terror attacks being committed all the time
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like this is not just in england obviously this is i'm just using england as example this is happening
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all over europe the people we the people that have been brought here and allowed to replicate their
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culture from their home lands actually a sizable proportion of them hate our culture and will take
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steps to commit atrocities against us out of this burning hatred of our culture as and and us more
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specifically and so we have to ask ourselves how long can the social contract society be allowed to
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produce those people who hate and murder because of what it is in relation to what they are
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how long can that be permitted how long can it be that the assumption actually no everyone can live
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under the giant umbrella of the social contract society be permitted while it keeps producing
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insane murderers and i shouldn't use the word insane because that's not that's the thing they're not
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insane they're using the particular logic of a transcendent religion that they feel that isn't that they have
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an interpretation of that sanctions this how long can the social contract society continue to allow a
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philosophy to propagate a worldview to propagate that sanctions this kind of action against itself
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and most recently i'm going to assume that the uxbridge stabbing was the product of jihadi terrorism
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although who knows it might have been the product of mental health or something else it's too early to know
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yet because the official information hasn't been released but this was the horrific attack in
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uxbridge in the middle of the day on not only a 14 year old boy who got attacked a landlord who was
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there was an attempted murder by a chap called safi dawud but the most horrific part was just the murder in
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broad daylight of wayne broadhurst who was just walking his dog and just completely innocently
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obviously he was a bin man just local bin man just respected in the area just normal guy living his life
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living a completely normal life and then some afghan afghan immigrant who was brought in a couple of years ago
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given indefinite leave to remain just decided one day no i need to just murder a bunch of people here
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i need to just kill them now is it because of islam or is it because he is insane we don't know yet
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but it's entirely possible that it could be from islam it's entirely possible that he could have been
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like yeah no i actually can't stand this insane degenerate culture and i need to go and murder a
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few people to teach them a lesson or something like that who knows like like i said we don't know
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but this is one of the more brutal things that's happened recently and it's because
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the footage is just horrific absolutely horrific to watch obviously i can't play it because it's
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literally that bad but it's the most it's genuinely awful because it really brings home that nowhere is
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safe you can't just go and walk your dog and think that you are just safe to go and walk your dog around
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the local area no there could be someone that boris's government or i think in fact um it was um
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robert gemrick when he was uh in the government who snuck 25 000 of these afghans in under the
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premise that well they helped us in afghanistan so i mean we've gotta we've gotta have tens of
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thousands of them and then their families and various other people uh come and live here so
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they snuck them in under the dead of night during the covid lockdowns and whatnot and it's like
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okay great so you you just be aware that there are people on the streets now
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who will do this kind of thing and this is actually not a terribly unusual thing to happen
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these days is it shocking but not surprising is how i think we might characterize it but anyway like
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i said we actually don't know what his motivation for doing this was yet i'm sure we'll find out and
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i'm sure we'll talk about it on the podcast but we could assume that it's either islamic extremism
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or it's mental health so let's talk about mental health because mental health is one of those kind
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of get out of jail free cards for the establishment right oh he didn't agree with the logic of liberal
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materialist individualism and therefore the guy's just mad he's just mad it's like well in some cases
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no but in other cases yeah sure i agree but actually some people are genuinely just mad and so what do we
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do about them well we have a system called care in the community in which essentially mad people are
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just left to roam around in our community and they are given medication on the assumption that they
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want to take the medication and so they are responsible for their own treatment regime and i mean
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they have access to like carers and things like that who infrequently you know or regularly check up on
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them but for a lot for large periods of time they're just on their own and they're just expected to just
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get on with life as normal as in if he sufficiently takes a sufficient amount of medication he's no
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longer insane or at least the the extremities of the exigencies of the insanity are kept to a minimum so
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he can rationally operate in the social contract society it's like okay but it only takes a couple of
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days of him skipping that for this all to come back and then i mean i'm just saying if he has mental
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health problems maybe he won't take the medication and this is something we have actually seen but we'll
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come to the specific examples in a minute because we let's talk about again the notion of the blank
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slate society the social contract society where everyone is just the same kind of rational animal
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well there are in fact cases in which this is demonstrably scientifically is not true and it's
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quite difficult for us to politically talk about because actually it raises some serious questions it
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turns out that the median distribution of schizophrenia across the world is 4.6 per thousand but as the
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british journal of general practice have shown us in the study that they have but actually that is not
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like i said evenly distributed and there are some races that have much higher incidences than others
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i'm just going to read from the abstract of a study that they've produced because i don't want to be
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accused of stoking up hatred or anything like that because of course that's not my intention but we have
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to face the facts honestly we have to actually look at what is really happening to explain a lot of what
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we're actually seeing and make policy informed by that because we can't just assume that everyone
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everywhere all the time is just the same as they say the incidence of schizophrenia in the black caribbeans
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living in the uk is substantially higher than the white british population when first reported these
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findings were assumed to be a first generation migrant effect or merely the result of methodological
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artifacts associated with inconsistencies in the diagnosis of schizophrenia in black caribbeans
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and doubts about population denominators more recently it has become clear that the incidence of
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schizophrenia based on standardized diagnoses and sophisticated census methods is higher still
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in second generation black caribbeans the largest study to date has demonstrated a nine-fold
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higher risk of schizophrenia in uk resident black caribbeans so black caribbeans in the united kingdom
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have a nine-fold prevalence of schizophrenia in their community this is this is a really concerning
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thing and they're not sure why it's happening it could be that it is just intrinsic to this community
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but it's more likely that there i mean there may work obviously there's probably going to be some sort
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of genetic difference and disposition because of course the different peoples of the earth are
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genetically different but it's also quite likely to be a product of lifestyle because the black caribbean
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community smokes a lot of cannabis and at the risk of invoking peter hitchens it seems there might be a
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connection between cannabis usage and schizophrenia as they tell us evidence is accumulating that cannabis may
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be a potent trigger for the development of schizophrenia but it's of course not entirely sure case managers
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surveyed in south london reported that black born british patients with schizophrenia were significantly more
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likely to be using cannabis than white british patients or black caribbeans or africans when they
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were born abroad so it may be that the schizophrenics are smoking cannabis which i'm sure isn't helping but might
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not be the cause of their schizophrenia or it might be that cannabis users are developing schizophrenia
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as they say the evidence is accumulating that it might be a trigger although it might be a correlative
00:30:20.540
who knows the point being there is a community in this country that has a much higher incidence of
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paranoid schizophrenia which often manifests in particularly violent ways and we're not doing
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anything about this and so this becomes another normal thing a normal aspect of the social contract
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society that assumes all people are just blank slates and therefore they are completely identical in not
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just their genetics but in their behaviors their social structures their habits and the the way that
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these things manifest in their lives and the consequences of this the social contract society can't
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distinguish between these cultures between these communities and therefore can't do anything to resolve
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this problem and there are some genuinely awful examples of where this has been the the cause of a terrifying and atrocious
00:31:15.780
mass killing event you'll remember the nottingham stabbings in 2023 where valdo
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callow kane uh was not on his schizophrenia meds and decided to go on a mass stabbing killed three people
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in cold blood it was absolutely atrocious i'll just read from the bbc barney barnaby webber grace
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o'malley kumar and 65 year old in coats uh were killed by calcone who is psychotic and suffering from
00:31:44.440
paranoid delusions on the 13th of june 2023 the care quality commission on tuesday found a series of
00:31:50.200
errors and omissions and misjudgments by mental health services their review said key risk factors in
00:31:55.400
calcone's case had either been missed or omitted including his refusal to take medicine his persistent
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symptoms of symptoms of psychosis and a level of violence towards other people without actions
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that said the issues would continue to pose an inherent risk to public safety because he had
00:32:10.760
been he had been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia three years before the killings and it was assumed
00:32:15.580
that he would just want to take his meds well what if he doesn't what if he doesn't want to take his
00:32:20.060
meds well three people died two 19 year olds and a 65 year old just murdered in in broad daylight
00:32:26.080
it's insane insane that we're allowing this to happen like paranoid schizophrenics probably shouldn't
00:32:34.040
just be given medication and then left to roam the country but then you've got axel rudikabana now i
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don't have an official diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia from him but he had been in trouble repeatedly over
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and over and over and clearly had some kind of problems and this was something that they had
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specifically gone out of the way to try and minimize when he had had interactions with the authorities
00:32:58.140
i assume they were trying to be racially sensitive or something but that turned out pretty bloody
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awfully didn't it they'd diagnosed rudikabana with autism and put together a care report an education
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health and care plan designed to deal with it and they had spent their time watering it down because
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i mean i've for god only knows what reasons it looks like sensitivity reasons but the report had
00:33:22.140
originally stated that there were concerns of occasions where axel would say and do things that
00:33:26.420
would have been described as sinister inappropriate and that sentence had been deleted along with the
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line that said axel can also appear to be cold and calculating another line said that when axel when
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rudikabana uh had difficulty managing when things go wrong he becomes very angry which was also deleted
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so bit of a problem the sort of person who might not actually be that worried about the rational
00:33:50.320
rules of the social contract order and might just say you know what i'm just going to go on a mass
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stabbing spree say at a taylor swift themed dance club class which it seems to be what happened
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and of course then we learned that rudikabana was obsessed with genocides and had materials about white
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genocide had said to someone that what this country needs is a white genocide and so we are dealing with
00:34:15.740
not only the looming prospect of serious mental health problems but also a kind of deep ethnic
00:34:23.240
resentment against the white british population and the fact that his dad had stopped him doing
00:34:29.220
this the week prior but didn't alert any of the authorities didn't do anything else and had
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essentially allowed his son to continue roaming freely so he could go on his mass stabbing but we've got a
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real problem here that isn't being addressed and this is something that i think we're still seeing
00:34:47.560
cropping up so for example in the huntingdon train stabbings the suspect is called anthony williams
00:34:54.020
and according to one passenger called dana arnold she told the telegraph that she saw the attacker
00:34:59.520
coming at her with a knife i said please please don't then something changed in his eyes and he said
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i mean i don't know why he's done this the information of this isn't out yet but if i
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and he had already stabbed earlier in the day a 14 year old boy
00:35:28.220
he'd burst into a barbershop elsewhere in the country with this giant knife threatening the people in there
00:35:33.800
somehow he wasn't arrested for these things and then he went on this train
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the huntingdon train and stabbed 10 people i think one died
00:35:43.240
luckily many of the others didn't but this is just this is just mad right this is
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indicative of a community that has serious problems
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that the social contract order is actually not prepared to address
00:35:57.620
not capable of addressing because it can only deal with these things individually
00:36:02.400
when in fact it seems there might be a community problem
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like for example the other day in swindon or last last month it was in swindon
00:36:29.980
and it's like right am i am i going to assume that there's no
00:36:41.640
maybe mental health problems or something like that
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or is this just a normal cultural habit for this community
00:36:47.440
either way we really have to be able to address these things
00:36:51.820
and the police have decided no crime was committed
00:36:54.280
and the worst thing that happened to any of these boys
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is a suspension with one of them being expelled
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right we have to be able to deal with these things
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or else the social contract society is once again
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and don't care about what it thinks or says or does
00:37:25.760
or there is like with the case of anthony williams
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like it like we we have to be able to deal with these things
00:38:04.060
like we have to be able to deal with these things
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but the last thing i want to say on this as well
00:38:34.640
and then not actually following the rules based order
00:38:37.740
is that you don't understand just how different
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right you don't understand that they aren't just the sort of rules following northwestern europeans
00:38:49.720
and in fact their their entire cultures their entire world views are completely different to us
00:38:53.680
so there was a video recently going around about the african view of time
00:39:06.820
that just goes on forever and everything just flows into
00:39:13.840
that africans basically walk backwards through time
00:39:17.700
and they're always looking at what's happened in the past
00:39:21.460
but they're not thinking long term into the future
00:39:24.140
whereas europeans definitely think long term into the future
00:39:27.320
most other peoples think long term into the future
00:39:31.640
it's like right okay that's an entirely different way of looking at the universe
00:39:37.740
yeah no i agree with the rational rules based order
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it's like well does it are we sure about that right
00:39:58.220
and well it's something that happens quite often actually
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what's what's the government's response to that
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because they can only individualize each of each single problem
00:40:21.480
and so okay well we just have to wait for another one to happen
00:40:26.240
and even if it's consistently through this community
00:40:28.700
they've got to be like well there's nothing we nothing further we can say
00:40:34.020
it's like look if you can't talk about it as a community issue
00:40:45.140
and therefore we can only deal with these individual things
00:40:50.440
but that leaves a residual kind of stain on that community
00:40:54.700
people are aware that the community itself knew
00:41:00.740
or that the community itself knows that child genital mutilation happens
00:41:09.640
and are a kind of permitted part of the community
00:41:12.660
because it's the culture from the old countries
00:41:18.240
the social contract society can do nothing about that
00:41:39.260
and like I said there are a bunch of very strange practices
00:42:00.460
because obviously we don't believe in that kind of stuff
00:42:02.760
and so very few people abuse, mutilate or kill children
00:42:23.360
and there are loads of studies about African witchcraft
00:42:26.020
that has resulted in various forms of child abuse
00:43:13.440
that's something we genuinely have to think about
00:43:34.220
that's probably not a great comfort for the victims
00:44:10.780
more of the same is going to produce more of this
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and they draw this from the National Crime Survey
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all of the crimes that are happening in this country
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excludes crime against commercial or public sector bodies
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tourists or those living in communal establishments