The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Battle for the Soul of the Right

00:00:00.000 Hi folks, welcome to another one of our political chats. I've been on holiday, so we haven't been able to do one for a while, but a lot has happened while I was gone, and it turns out that actually the Tories are engaged in some sort of actual jihad against the patriot nativist right in Britain.

00:00:15.100 We're going to get into it in great depth, possibly unnecessary depth, but that's what you're here for.

00:00:20.000 But first, go and get your copy of Islander 6. It's not going to be on sale for much longer, so grab it while you can.

00:00:24.760 I always get people saying, can I get a copy afterwards? No, you can't. Never reprinting it. Get it now.

00:00:30.000 Anyway, so let's have a look at the polls before we begin, because not much has changed in the polls.

00:00:35.700 The Burnham bounce is already on the downswing, as you can see.

00:00:38.660 The Conservatives have maintained a pretty steady number at about 19-20%.

00:00:43.140 Restore Britain is still on 4%.

00:00:45.020 The Greens have declined because, of course, Burnham's chewed them up to get Labour back to 24%.

00:00:49.980 So, still everything to play for.

00:00:53.120 Well, it's fair to say that not much has changed since you've been on holiday.

00:00:56.180 since we started this series in late December

00:00:58.760 I seem to remember that reform

00:01:00.720 had a lead of about

00:01:02.200 14 points over Labour

00:01:04.300 back in late December

00:01:05.880 yeah about there

00:01:08.320 yeah about here so yeah I mean reform have

00:01:10.640 yeah I mean they had literally almost

00:01:12.780 double Labour's thing so I mean

00:01:14.780 don't get me wrong Burnham has brought them back

00:01:16.700 but it's not in any way

00:01:19.020 convincing as you've been pointing out

00:01:20.560 our political system is just not designed

00:01:22.800 for this kind of political fracturing

00:01:24.040 To have two parties on a quarter of the vote, another on a fifth of the vote, and then everything else split between a bunch of more minor parties.

00:01:33.060 This cannot last.

00:01:34.360 No. So this is a transitional period.

00:01:37.760 And the left wing of the Conservatives is trying to make sure this transitional period resolves with them in the driving seat again.

00:01:46.060 Just like they were all through the days of David Cameron, through to Boris Johnson, through to Rishi Sunak, through to now.

00:01:53.520 They want to resolve on the globalist, multicultural,

00:01:58.400 Britain is a series of systems and not a people argument.

00:02:02.860 That's what they want to land on.

00:02:04.540 They've just realised they can't do it in the Conservative Party anymore,

00:02:06.780 but if they've got a sufficiently obliging form party, they don't need to.

00:02:11.820 Exactly. It's about turning everything they touch into themselves.

00:02:15.620 That's what's happening here.

00:02:17.380 So let's talk about Zia Yusuf.

00:02:19.600 right Zee Yusuf has in recent days we've both made videos saying look actually we don't mind

00:02:26.400 Zee Yusuf politically now obviously there are personal issues because you know we support

00:02:30.140 Rupert Lowe I like his politics not his character simple as that and and Zee Yusuf stabbed Rupert

00:02:34.880 Lowe in the back with a bunch of lies okay fine yeah okay great but the problems that Britain

00:02:40.400 faces are far bigger than just a personal issue between Rupert Lowe and Zee Yusuf and this has

00:02:46.240 been something that is um i don't know how to say it like kind of blooming upwards and is forcing

00:02:52.820 everyone to one side or the other now you can see that uh zee's if this is this is a great clip i

00:02:59.380 won't bother playing it for now but um zee yusuf had been going after robert jenrich for a long 0.85

00:03:04.020 time because he was the guy who brought in the bloody afghans during the boris wave and was the

00:03:08.660 immigration minister during the boris wave uh same as sweller braveman in fact um zee is going on 0.59

00:03:14.280 about this to Jemmerick for a long time,

00:03:16.780 calling him a liar and saying he's dishonest.

00:03:18.680 And of course, when he gets kicked out 0.73

00:03:22.680 of the Conservative Party for apparently

00:03:24.780 about going to defect to reform,

00:03:27.400 this makes strange bedfellows.

00:03:29.580 It's somewhat harder to attack him

00:03:31.580 when he's in the same party

00:03:32.960 and you're on the same stage.

00:03:34.540 But then you're also like,

00:03:35.500 oh, it was only a year ago that you were saying 0.96

00:03:37.320 he's a giant liar and he's a, you know... 0.73

00:03:40.400 So, I mean, one of the things I find admirable 0.99

00:03:43.040 about Zai Yusuf is his genuine disdain

00:03:46.400 for the Conservative Party.

00:03:47.960 That's what I was going to get into.

00:03:49.380 Yes.

00:03:50.460 Yeah, whether I've got a personal problem, 0.94

00:03:52.220 Ziz, or not.

00:03:53.400 Oh, yeah, all of that still remains.

00:03:54.920 Yeah, he obviously hates the talk.

00:03:56.800 And just for the...

00:03:57.800 Because there were some people who were speculating,

00:03:59.540 because you put out a video while in holiday.

00:04:00.940 I put a video out while I was here.

00:04:01.940 We didn't realise that each other

00:04:02.900 was making those videos.

00:04:03.660 No, no.

00:04:04.720 Some people have started to speculate

00:04:06.540 that this is a clever 5G chess move

00:04:08.740 to prepare the public for the idea

00:04:10.480 that Zai Yusuf is about to join the Restore party.

00:04:15.380 I mean, if that is the case,

00:04:16.860 I don't know anything about that whatsoever.

00:04:19.320 That is certainly not what I'm thinking.

00:04:21.400 It's really hard to imagine.

00:04:23.340 Very, very hard to imagine.

00:04:24.580 The personal, the bad blood between him and Rupert Lowe,

00:04:28.340 I mean, there would have to be a lot of contrition.

00:04:32.340 And also, we don't need him in Restore

00:04:35.980 because he wouldn't be remarkable in Restore.

00:04:38.360 he would he yeah whereas he is needed exactly where he is because we might actually end up

00:04:43.940 getting reformed government i mean it's still possible and we actually need somebody who

00:04:48.240 believes at least one or two right-wing things to be in reform that's that's the the important

00:04:53.440 i think you've really hit on the right point that the importance of zeer yusuf is that he is the

00:04:57.580 right-winger left in reform right yes he is basically on his own at the point at this point

00:05:03.460 Oh, yes. Holding up the right wing of reform against a bunch of Sivnat Tories. And again, 0.60

00:05:09.120 Zia Yusuf, whatever you think about him, he is at least on the right of the argument.

00:05:13.800 I mean, he is. And Nigel either doesn't care or hasn't appreciated this, but he is being offered

00:05:20.480 a deal by the Conservatives. And the deal is basically this. You supply the votes and we

00:05:27.220 will supply the influence networks, the people to run the ministries, the press, the people who

00:05:33.180 define what the boundaries are and basically the entire mechanism of government but you supply the

00:05:38.640 votes and we've got a deal you can see that in the conservative press the spectator yes telegraph

00:05:43.000 and the times the telegraph is a prime example of this they've all accepted for us they've all

00:05:47.940 accepted him yes provided that he that he lets the conservatives supply the mechanisms of government

00:05:54.680 and the boundaries of government and the boundaries of restraint and all that kind of stuff exactly

00:05:59.460 right and and and Faraj either doesn't understand that that is the devil's pact that he is in 0.86

00:06:05.020 or he doesn't care he's willing to accept it yeah I think he's one of them but Zai Yusuf

00:06:10.580 absolutely understands that this is a devil's bargain and he doesn't like it one bit and he's

00:06:16.340 like well you know the whole point of getting rid of the tories was to get rid of the tories

00:06:19.980 not to get rid of the tories and then bring them back in again and let them run the government 0.52

00:06:24.120 while we do the press tour and I mean a lot of people like yeah but he's a Sri Lankan Muslim 0.78

00:06:28.720 blah blah blah it's like yeah okay so what you know you could still like if i were to move to 0.96

00:06:32.820 another country i would be as nativist and you know patriotic for that country yes even if i

00:06:38.500 wasn't included in the group i was talking about like z yousef is the furthest right reform have

00:06:43.600 to offer yes and it's actually put him outside of the tory graph sort of consensus of actually

00:06:49.960 anyone can be anything and britain's an open country in multicultural globalism like he's

00:06:54.640 actually outside of that consensus so being an ethnic isn't exactly an open option for him being

00:06:58.980 a sri lankan muslim like you say but i always get the impression with him that if if he were born

00:07:03.620 anglo he would be well his positionally that's where he is yeah i agree dispositionally he's

00:07:09.060 a lot closer to us than he is to danny kruger right yeah so danny kruger thinks that the afghans

00:07:16.820 are the we'll get to all of this we'll get to all of this right so anyway the point being

00:07:21.880 Zee Youssef, it's not himself that's actually important.

00:07:25.320 It is the wing of politics that he represents

00:07:28.200 that has become important.

00:07:29.860 It's our wing of politics, right?

00:07:32.240 And whatever the spectrum of the far right is,

00:07:35.700 he represents some edge of our wing of politics

00:07:38.280 that has a foothold in the sort of mainstream right.

00:07:42.480 The last right winger in reform.

00:07:44.040 Exactly, right?

00:07:45.120 And what's on the other side of him?

00:07:46.720 Well, a bunch of essentially liberal Democrats

00:07:48.800 who want to force him out.

00:07:51.260 So, I mean, that's what I would say to all the people

00:07:52.820 that I know are going to be in the comments saying,

00:07:54.340 ah, but he's a Sri Lankan Muslim.

00:07:56.220 Yeah, I know. 0.99

00:07:57.460 That's not the important point.

00:07:59.120 The important point is what coalition,

00:08:02.360 what governing mindset rules the next government?

00:08:06.060 Yes, what kind of politics is actually in the room?

00:08:09.220 Yes.

00:08:09.600 If he gets kicked out, our kind of politics is gone with him.

00:08:13.640 Yes.

00:08:14.540 Which would weirdly be fantastic for a store

00:08:17.120 because we would own the entire ground.

00:08:19.680 Just to be clear, right, I'm not saying this as someone who's a member of Restore.

00:08:24.920 I'm saying this as someone who is taking an impartial view of the situation. 0.98

00:08:29.220 Because obviously, I would love it if Nigel Farage kicked out Zia Yusuf. 1.00

00:08:33.080 Yeah, I mean, Nigel, if you're watching, kick Zia out, 0.99

00:08:35.740 become a fully captured conservative wet party, 1.00

00:08:40.380 and then, you know, we can drastically accelerate the timescale

00:08:44.680 of which Restore takes over.

00:08:46.300 And I would happily accept Zia Yusuf in under those circumstances. 0.62

00:08:48.880 Yeah, I mean, I might ask him to convert first, but yeah.

00:08:51.260 Sure.

00:08:51.640 But the point is, nothing would be better for Restore

00:08:54.160 than for this coalition to collapse, right?

00:08:57.060 And what's interesting is the Tories

00:08:58.560 don't seem to have learned this lesson.

00:09:00.040 But anyway, we'll get to that in a bit.

00:09:01.200 So Zia has been putting out some pretty,

00:09:03.620 well, on-point tweets, actually.

00:09:06.120 Recent actual elections have proved

00:09:07.740 that Tories are not even in the top two

00:09:09.420 right-wing parties in Britain.

00:09:11.760 That's true.

00:09:12.920 Look at Gordon and Denton.

00:09:14.340 Look at Makerfield.

00:09:15.920 Look at the Manchester mayoral election.

00:09:17.680 uh look at the norfolk county uh commit police commissioner elections like the tories are not

00:09:25.460 charting in these elections we are beating the tories yes reform and restore every time and it

00:09:30.540 and they're like oh god restore i'm nine percent in the manchester and and you i i again you've

00:09:35.160 got to hand it to him his hatred of the tories is so real this is what 14 years of betrayal does

00:09:40.940 extinction awaits deservedly so he's willing to promote restore which is led by his arch enemy

00:09:46.480 in politics, Rupert Lowe.

00:09:48.120 He's literally...

00:09:48.880 Yeah, but he's still going to promote Restore

00:09:52.020 over the Conservatives

00:09:53.140 because he genuinely hates the Tories that much,

00:09:55.140 and that is still admirable.

00:09:56.380 Exactly.

00:09:56.920 So if you look at this

00:09:57.560 through the sort of friend-enemy distinction,

00:09:59.320 it's the Tories who are his enemies.

00:10:01.380 Yes.

00:10:02.080 Restore, we might be rivals of his.

00:10:04.340 Yes.

00:10:04.700 And maybe bitter rivals.

00:10:06.540 Yeah.

00:10:07.000 But we understand that we both want

00:10:08.400 basically the same thing.

00:10:09.440 We want to go basically in the same direction.

00:10:10.780 The Conservatives do not. 1.00

00:10:13.540 They literally have an African immigrant 1.00

00:10:15.360 in charge of their party. 1.00

00:10:17.180 I mean, Zius was at least born in this country. 1.00

00:10:19.580 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:10:20.700 Yeah.

00:10:21.300 Or Scotland, but close enough, yeah.

00:10:23.700 Sure.

00:10:24.820 There are layers to this, right?

00:10:26.800 And he's not wrong about any of the things he's saying.

00:10:29.720 He's like, look, the natural party for the dying Tory party

00:10:31.900 to do a deal with is Labour.

00:10:33.320 The Uniparty operates the same borders,

00:10:34.900 eye-watering tax policies, same disdain for voters.

00:10:36.880 They already conspired together to cancel elections.

00:10:39.380 That's all true.

00:10:40.740 It's all true.

00:10:42.020 it's like it but again who is he not attacking his right flank because i mean imagine imagine

00:10:48.920 that imagine somebody on in politics on the right who isn't punching right i mean like you never see

00:10:56.880 it very very rarely right very very rarely um and that's because i think he does feel

00:11:04.280 dispositionally as you say more aligned with us than with them he actually views them as an enemy

00:11:09.140 he views us as rivals.

00:11:10.580 Fair. 0.97

00:11:11.120 Totally fair.

00:11:11.600 And that's how I view him too.

00:11:13.160 The Daily Mail campaigning

00:11:14.380 for a pact between

00:11:15.120 reform and the Tories

00:11:17.000 so the Tories can then

00:11:18.120 suffocate us. 0.76

00:11:19.200 Yeah.

00:11:19.580 That is what I said earlier.

00:11:21.080 He understands

00:11:22.360 that the Tories are saying

00:11:23.420 you supply the votes

00:11:24.400 we supply the government.

00:11:26.200 Yes.

00:11:26.780 And why is it

00:11:28.000 that only Zia Yusuf

00:11:28.920 can see this?

00:11:30.420 Well,

00:11:31.100 I haven't got an answer to that

00:11:32.660 but what's interesting

00:11:33.860 is why though

00:11:35.880 is Zia Yusuf

00:11:36.960 one of the points

00:11:38.580 of contention that they have right why is the last one left he's the last actual right winger

00:11:43.720 left in reform exactly right um i mean maybe we're being a little too mean there like you know 0.97

00:11:49.020 sarah pochin seems to have fairly uh like a fairly well aligned instinctive right wing compass well 0.94

00:11:56.680 that is fair but i had forgotten she existed until just a moment ago when you mentioned her name so 0.99

00:12:01.800 prominent yes important influential right i mean i don't dislike sarah pochin or anything well now

00:12:07.060 that i remember that she exists yeah fine i agree with many of the things that she says off the

00:12:11.140 cuff um anyway so the reason i think this is important is because uh you have tim montgomery

00:12:17.400 who is a long time conservative activist slash journalist and um mover and shaker well in fact

00:12:27.180 he founded conservative home which was kind of the thought leader piece i mean yes for the

00:12:32.340 conservative it was the lotus eaters for the conservatives but of an earlier and era when

00:12:35.880 they did it on forums rather than absolutely podcasts and the great great way of putting it

00:12:40.680 and so when zia yousef called ben wallace a traitor because he was the defense secretary

00:12:46.940 at the time of robert jenrich well that's not that's not really the re i think the reason that

00:12:51.420 zia yousef called ben wallace a traitor because he can't call jenrich a traitor yes it's because

00:12:56.120 he no longer could call jenrich well they were both party to bringing the afghans in and putting

00:13:01.660 the uh legal injunction in place so it couldn't be reported on for like two years well and also

00:13:06.320 is is is a cleverly coded way of if because he's whoever did this is a bad person yes yes

00:13:12.040 draw your own conclusions about robert jenry exactly right and so but is zia yusuf correct

00:13:19.480 yes he is correct here right and they were like well you can't call a fellow conservative a traitor

00:13:25.900 yeah i bloody can and i'm going to says zia yusuf but also says i says you says everyone who's

00:13:32.440 actually concerned about the future of the country tim montgomery is like well hang on a second that's

00:13:36.000 not very collegial so oh i see we're gonna get tone police by the tories are we that's where

00:13:41.440 this goes we're getting tone police by the tory defectors turncoats are going to tone police me

00:13:46.560 are they i'm not interested in hearing from turncoats and and just and you know you've

00:13:51.300 established that he had a very long career the tories before joining reform and i don't think

00:13:56.360 i've seen a youtube links up there so you might not have this but um a clip of his conversation

00:14:02.180 with the daily low t podcast is he said i have thought daily about whether i made a mistake

00:14:08.380 of leaving the tories and i think i might have done so so he is a tory he just happens to be

00:14:13.620 in reform this well that that exactly the point of what what is he doing here he's talking to

00:14:18.780 the spectator edited by michael gove one of the deep like you know uh sinister viziers of the

00:14:25.900 conservative party in charge of it so that we know where the spectators loyalties lie where does he

00:14:31.020 go well he goes to the spectator say yeah that's the yusuf he's no good why because he wasn't a

00:14:35.760 former tory that's why because he's not inside of our tent he does not under our control there was

00:14:42.000 a term he uses a lot which we need to moderate the message now what that is code for is we need

00:14:48.520 to accept the boundaries of of discussion that have already been established by the tories that's

00:14:54.760 what he means by moderation and he uses that term every podcast he's on yes and it's it's all of the

00:15:00.440 formatories are like this i mean the only one who's not is generic and even then it feels a bit

00:15:04.960 performative when he's not doing this and he never comes out hard on the right of the politics he

00:15:11.440 tries to straddle that lane but yes you're exactly correct right so uh tim montgomery

00:15:17.800 comes out and he's like yep that's the use of he's no good he's no good because he's not

00:15:22.600 giving quarter to the tories he's not he is in fact the problem you have him uh coming out with

00:15:30.200 criticism of nigel farage now this was interesting because um the criticisms are not wrong right no

00:15:38.240 Nigel Farage, he says, doesn't have a chief of staff, which is surprising, doesn't have regular meetings with the MPs, problem defending his personal finances, doesn't get interviewed well by women, and doesn't prepare for interviews, right?

00:15:50.420 So there is an amateurish nature to reform that should be polished up.

00:15:56.440 He's not wrong, but what does that also say?

00:16:00.420 That also says, let me put in place the processes.

00:16:03.680 It's the same thing I started with.

00:16:05.320 You supply the votes, we supply the people.

00:16:07.400 exactly that's the message let me give you the chief of staff let me sit down and give you media

00:16:12.680 training that the conservatives have so the jacob reese mogg style sort of concern don't worry

00:16:17.500 there'd be a really good chief of staff because they've been doing this exact job for the last

00:16:21.940 25 years for various conservative literally half a dozen conservative prime ministers that worked

00:16:27.420 for you know uh and so they he's he's annoyed at the structure of the party because it's not

00:16:32.320 Tory enough it's still a bit you know wheeler dealer sort uh thing and then of course he then

00:16:38.200 goes on a scathing attack on Zia Yusuf and tries to drive a wedge so what he's doing here is saying

00:16:44.660 look Nigel Farage is getting sick of Zia Yusuf uh Zia Yusuf is not on speaking terms with a loss of

00:16:50.060 people right he says Zia Yusuf didn't speak to me for three months after I brought Jemric in 0.90

00:16:54.560 so yeah I'm not surprised right uh Zia Yusuf he doesn't like his behavior and Zia is trying to 0.69

00:17:00.980 become a leader of reform, which is probably true. 0.52

00:17:02.720 Zia attacked Robert Jenrick and Braveman publicly 0.99

00:17:04.580 when he heard that Nigel Friars was trying to

00:17:06.940 convince him to join reform, and 1.00

00:17:08.720 Zia is 0.51

00:17:10.360 not interested in

00:17:13.020 pandering to tactical voting.

00:17:15.000 I would be interested to know more about 1.00

00:17:17.000 this kind of... Zia is a 1.00

00:17:18.960 disruptive personality, and there's lots of people

00:17:20.880 that he doesn't talk to, because...

00:17:22.900 Because they're all going to be conservatives.

00:17:24.220 Well, that's what I'm wondering. Is it because

00:17:26.780 Zia Yusuf is just a bit of an arse to deal with, 0.98

00:17:29.020 or is it that zaya yusuf is so surrounded by tories that he just doesn't want to speak to them 0.97

00:17:34.060 and he's he's absolutely frustrated he can't open a door in reform hq without bumping into a tory

00:17:39.600 i mean tim is making the case for zaya yusuf right i like i don't i don't want to like the

00:17:44.500 guy but like you know tim you're doing a good job making me think that maybe uh he's the better of

00:17:49.920 the options because you're absolutely right because reform have taken on something like 30

00:17:53.580 elected conservatives um was it like six mps or four mps 13 frontbenchers yeah and yeah a bunch

00:18:02.120 of former mps and a bunch of councillors right so if you're going to have lots of people in reform

00:18:08.780 they're going to have to include a bunch of tories because there's not lots of non-tory reform mps

00:18:15.560 and politicians right loads of them are tories absolutely loads of them so the tory faction

00:18:20.780 and reform is strong

00:18:22.440 but there's no democratic

00:18:23.640 no democratic mechanism

00:18:25.160 for

00:18:26.340 that's what reform supplies

00:18:27.720 well no no

00:18:28.640 there's no democratic mechanism

00:18:30.000 for the Tories

00:18:30.860 to do anything about

00:18:31.760 Zia Yusuf

00:18:32.620 no

00:18:33.500 he is

00:18:34.500 with Nigel Farage

00:18:35.440 a co-owner

00:18:36.780 you can poison the will though

00:18:38.120 well

00:18:38.700 this is why Nigel Farage

00:18:39.940 is getting sick of Zia 0.99

00:18:40.760 everyone hates Zia 0.87

00:18:42.060 look at this 1.00

00:18:43.060 bitchy 1.00

00:18:43.960 womanly 1.00

00:18:44.960 yeah no 1.00

00:18:45.720 no one likes to deal with Zia 1.00

00:18:46.860 he's a bit childish really 1.00

00:18:48.120 isn't he

00:18:48.380 what's he done wrong

00:18:49.520 yeah 1.00

00:18:49.840 this is how women fight 1.00

00:18:52.620 it's character assassination via proxy 1.00

00:18:55.080 yes

00:18:55.740 actually you're right

00:18:56.920 that is exactly what Tim's doing

00:18:58.240 and he's gone to the spectator

00:18:59.700 and he's gone to the telegraph

00:19:00.840 he's gone to the BBC 0.96

00:19:02.080 he's been like yeah that's Zia 1.00

00:19:03.520 well you know

00:19:04.920 and so this is all about

00:19:06.660 trying to make Nigel Farage sour on Zia

00:19:09.060 on a personal level

00:19:10.920 it's all relationship based 1.00

00:19:15.020 womanly bitchiness 1.00

00:19:16.820 I mean there is a danger there 1.00

00:19:18.260 isn't there

00:19:19.840 the correct thing for reform to have done is to build a broad coalition because actually first

00:19:25.520 past the post elections are won by broad coalitions and reform used to be very broad i mean it used to

00:19:31.140 go all the way up to steve laws who they made a candidate yep it had rupert lowe um and it had

00:19:36.560 wets um tory exiles in it as well but they've already excluded the right half of that salami

00:19:42.720 sliced it bloody quickly yeah huge and created the restore party um and it looks like they might 0.94

00:19:48.720 be trying to purge the left half of it as well in which case what you've got is you've got a reform

00:19:53.480 party which is literally the width of nigel farage's opinions yes but then anything to the

00:20:00.000 that's not a governing coalition no and and isn't that interesting how the salami slice okay begins

00:20:04.740 with steve laws then it gets to people like you then it gets to people like zia and they're still

00:20:09.360 trying to salami slice oh and and they won't stop until they get to alicia kearns on the on the left

00:20:16.380 of the Tory party yeah yeah and and and and so then they've got to the point where they're just

00:20:21.460 trying to tone police Nigel Farage which we'll get to in a minute so this is an attack on the right

00:20:26.760 of not just reform but all of British politics yes right what he's saying here is the use of

00:20:33.740 as a representative of the right that's the sole one left in reform he's got to go and therefore

00:20:39.340 all of it's jettisoned out now as we have learned in the past few years with the Green Party and

00:20:46.240 with the result you can't just jettison your radicals right it doesn't work they don't just

00:20:50.520 disappear they actually just become a problem that you then have to negotiate with afterwards

00:20:54.560 so you've got to accept the radicals have to be in the party there are going to be a problem

00:20:58.300 bad optics from them but you have to accept them because otherwise you're going to lose your

00:21:02.920 so this this is a so this is why i'm so much less interested in personalities in politics and and

00:21:10.660 that's and so when for example burn and replace starmer i was saying it's not going to make a

00:21:15.220 of difference because yes the personality has changed but the set of governing constraints

00:21:18.400 has not changed and and the poisonous trap of post-war liberal politics is that every politician

00:21:24.600 in their head they're thinking okay this is what i believe and to my right are nazis and to my left

00:21:30.900 are communists and and the acceptable bound is one inch to my right and about 10 feet to my left

00:21:38.600 because the people on my left well they're they're just a bit confused you've seen tim stanley

00:21:43.780 hanging out with ash sarkar on bbc news and having perfectly lovely conversations because

00:21:48.420 the people to your left are just a bit confused but the people to your right are evil and people

00:21:53.660 and what that does is because you've got a very tight boundary on your right and a very expansive

00:21:58.320 boundary on your left this is why cthulhu always swims left correct because the because the because

00:22:03.780 the open space the permissible boundaries is always to your left and so politics has shifted

00:22:09.700 increasingly to the left

00:22:11.320 until you get a conservative party

00:22:12.720 which is basically the Lib Dem party

00:22:14.340 and then it opened up space on the right

00:22:17.340 so reform came in

00:22:18.840 and then they started swimming left as well 0.95

00:22:22.060 salami slicing

00:22:22.920 so the boundary was so close

00:22:24.540 there's only open space to the left

00:22:26.280 and the only thing you can do

00:22:27.980 is reject this mental framework

00:22:29.760 and say no it's not Nazis to my right

00:22:31.920 what it is

00:22:32.600 is young people who want to have a family

00:22:34.640 a home and a country

00:22:36.000 and that isn't the same thing as invading Poland 0.86

00:22:39.340 not the same thing as rounding up all the jews no like it's it's just people who want a life

00:22:44.660 people who want a family it's completely reasonable things and until you reject this

00:22:50.460 mental framework you cannot achieve anything in politics which is which is why and i know some

00:22:56.360 people still don't get why we support restore over reform it's because reform is completely

00:23:01.280 captured in this in this post-war liberal mental paradigm which can only lead to failure it's

00:23:06.940 nearly completely captured right there it's it's a they've still got zai yusuf yes sure yeah that's

00:23:14.060 literally what it boils down to but also what what restore have learned the lesson that restore

00:23:18.400 have learned is don't just eject your radicals right it's just it's too much work it doesn't

00:23:23.480 get you any plaudits from the left or from the you know the conservatives they don't then say

00:23:27.300 oh well done well done come back and no no no no that's just a way of making you cripple yourself

00:23:31.440 right yes which is what they've done but also um and what what is great as well is it you don't

00:23:36.720 have to listen to the radicals either right no so like howard cox was selected as the transport

00:23:42.680 spokesman for restore recently um because he has been running a campaign about the transport system

00:23:49.000 in london successfully for many years he has some boomer zionist opinions oh yeah who cares like the

00:23:56.080 online right you know like the you know it's a function of his generation exactly it's a function

00:23:59.760 of his generation but that's not he's not like the spokesperson for ethnicity or something no

00:24:05.740 he's supposed to transport so he is genuinely good on transport stuff i met him years ago he's

00:24:09.900 good at that stuff great you don't have to worry about the radicals who are going purity purity

00:24:13.700 purity you don't have to worry about yeah if we can't make the same mistake as reform which is

00:24:18.000 being narrow restored down to the political opinion of just rupert lowe yes exactly that

00:24:23.720 won't work exactly anyway so what was really interesting about this attack from tim montgomery

00:24:28.760 sorry actually before you move on let me just make a quick point you know who just did what

00:24:33.100 you described brilliantly tony blair oh so tony blair was in the same party as jeremy corbyn

00:24:39.860 yep and once or twice a year they would meet and have a cup of tea because he used to meet with

00:24:43.680 his mps and tony blair um made sure that he was still in the party and then ignored everything

00:24:51.820 that he said just didn't do it yeah so so that that is the model you you have a wide space around

00:24:59.040 you of opinion and you just don't listen to them you just do whatever you want yeah what you think

00:25:03.740 is but you have them included yes uh anyway so this this is quite a significant attack on z

00:25:09.980 yusuf now z yusuf had been shooting a lot of barbs at the tories but the thing is it's hard for them

00:25:16.580 to not it's hard for them to say well you can't do that to us right yeah i mean they are rival

00:25:21.960 political party so exactly yeah and nigel farage has been openly complaining about the tories for

00:25:27.920 a long time yes uh but the problem that they have is that a lot of tories have also come into reform

00:25:32.660 so the tory faction represented by tim uh with his tact inside yeah and his insider status have

00:25:39.820 actually launched a counter-attack at zeus with this look zeus is bad he's causing problems you

00:25:44.920 need to and tim montgomery with his shiny head was the battering ram they used absolutely uh but

00:25:50.100 that didn't help because uh farage actually suspended him now montgomery says that um farage

00:25:57.440 Farras told him he knew nothing about it.

00:25:59.720 Bollocks, right?

00:26:00.940 There's no way.

00:26:02.140 And we don't actually know who suspended him either.

00:26:04.880 And apparently it was Reform who leaked this information.

00:26:07.240 Tim Montgomery says he didn't leak the information.

00:26:09.500 So it's likely that it was Zia himself who suspended him.

00:26:14.160 Yeah, but whether he did it without Farras, there's no way.

00:26:17.560 I mean, Montgomery was a high-profile defection.

00:26:20.460 Yes.

00:26:20.820 Because he was a well-known conservative insider and political actioner,

00:26:25.820 uh found a conservative home he's he's in a nexus of conservative thought and politics uh there's no

00:26:32.360 way he gets suspended without nigel farage but i mean farage is a snake so it wouldn't surprise

00:26:37.020 me in the slightest if he told tim over the phone oh i didn't know anything about this of course

00:26:41.460 yeah yeah complete plausible deniability but he absolutely would have known um and so great okay

00:26:48.180 he's suspended he's going to appeal his suspension that's going to go nowhere by the way but but you

00:26:54.060 but you do have the danger of reform has already expelled its right can it really afford to expel 0.78

00:26:59.020 its wets as well because otherwise what's it going to be well that's a great question um so 0.54

00:27:04.160 because i mean is it impossible that having expelled the right which is now in reform if

00:27:11.140 they expel the left the left could just go back to the conservatives yeah i mean literally just

00:27:15.940 pensioners would be the resulting constituency of reform and you saw it in the clacton election

00:27:21.600 like when they're doing

00:27:22.740 like the Farage Fest

00:27:23.600 there's a lot of silver hair here

00:27:25.240 oh it's every little

00:27:27.040 conference thing they do

00:27:28.060 yeah it's all silver haired

00:27:29.180 yes

00:27:29.480 and don't get me wrong

00:27:30.080 I'm not saying they don't

00:27:30.700 have political representation

00:27:31.620 but that's on a timer

00:27:33.400 isn't it

00:27:34.180 you know

00:27:36.880 you're not building

00:27:40.160 for the future

00:27:40.760 yes

00:27:41.380 there are you

00:27:42.040 the point being then

00:27:44.600 so Tim Montgomery

00:27:45.420 after getting suspended

00:27:46.220 decides to go and

00:27:48.160 do all of the podcast circuit

00:27:49.900 and of course

00:27:50.440 where does he go

00:27:51.480 the telegraph now again really interesting how he just keeps running his mouth he seems to like

00:27:56.860 spilling secrets like he calls alex phillips um uh a reform uh member like he's a reform surrogate

00:28:04.160 i think he called her a senior reform something like that yeah yeah yeah um uh which okay great

00:28:09.940 i mean we know obviously we know but it's like it's good to have that out in the open um but

00:28:15.060 she's a farage loyalist yeah so zia yusuf is also a farage loyalist right um tim montgomery is

00:28:21.440 not a loyalist for anything he's a turncoat that's how he arrived in reform so we you know

00:28:25.940 we we understand that's the case but um connor's got a great clip here where he points out look

00:28:30.120 he's just all he wants to do is tone police the right except the existing boundaries that the

00:28:34.340 conservatives have already established over the last 30 years that's what he wants we're in a

00:28:38.760 building where alasdair heath works restore have you know basically gone after his family

00:28:43.340 in recent times um leading members of restore have been guilty of incredibly anti-semitic

00:28:51.180 posts a colleague of mine in reform alex um has she's had horrible posts from senior

00:28:58.440 yes thank you restore members i think we should be saying to the british people that reform is

00:29:08.140 the bulwark against that sort of nastiness we will have nothing to do with restore and anybody

00:29:13.800 who wants to go off and be part of that party good riddance and actually you know middle england

00:29:20.320 And I think that's sort of, you know,

00:29:21.800 because Nigel Farage has consistently...

00:29:23.800 So we'll pause on that.

00:29:25.620 And that is, there we go, the explicit admission

00:29:28.640 that the Conservative forces are trying to kick the right out of reform.

00:29:34.080 Zia Yusuf doesn't punch right, he punches left.

00:29:38.100 He recognises, no, we have valid claims, 0.54

00:29:40.280 we have valid arguments that we're making.

00:29:42.120 We're right.

00:29:43.240 Tim Montgomery never says we're wrong about it.

00:29:45.100 It's because he's completely captured by the post-war liberal mindset,

00:29:48.300 which is to my right

00:29:49.440 there are only Nazis

00:29:50.500 not young men 0.80

00:29:51.620 trying to buy a house 0.88

00:29:53.020 and have a family

00:29:53.700 and really what I'm trying to do

00:29:55.120 is make the left

00:29:55.940 work properly

00:29:57.120 that's the argument

00:29:58.460 that all of the 0.97

00:29:59.520 Lib Dem Wets are making 0.93

00:30:00.900 no the left are right 0.93

00:30:02.080 on their principles

00:30:02.860 they're good people

00:30:03.800 they're just slightly

00:30:04.780 misguided on economics

00:30:05.920 or something

00:30:06.300 they don't know how to make

00:30:07.240 it actually work

00:30:08.120 I'm the real left winger

00:30:09.900 is essentially what he's saying

00:30:10.980 I know how to make this work

00:30:12.500 and so

00:30:13.360 as he says

00:30:14.120 no this

00:30:14.560 we have to cast them out

00:30:15.960 forever

00:30:16.380 do you think

00:30:18.120 that's going to work do you think we're going to be cast out forever well because because because

00:30:22.120 it's not working so far because in this crazy post-war liberal mindset to my right they're

00:30:27.920 only nazis but he also knows actually there aren't that many nazis there's like three of them or

00:30:33.780 something so you can just cast them out and then they disappear for it and you don't need to worry

00:30:37.180 about it but the thing is to the right of tim montgomery how do you get 150 000 nazis in restore

00:30:43.900 Yes.

00:30:44.440 How did you get 150,000?

00:30:45.420 I think it's a lot more than that.

00:30:47.240 I think it is millions of people are to the right of Tim Montgomery.

00:30:50.260 Yeah, but we know there are.

00:30:51.740 But his mental model is so confused and so locked up in this post-war liberal thinking

00:30:57.520 that he can't understand the reality of it.

00:31:00.240 But that's the point.

00:31:00.880 He's saying, okay, I mean, it's inconceivable.

00:31:04.600 The BNP, I think, topped out about 20,000 members,

00:31:07.680 and they genuinely were really...

00:31:10.080 They had a long run as well.

00:31:11.140 They had a long run, but they did come out of the National Front

00:31:13.780 and out of a kind of British Nazism, right?

00:31:16.060 They actually did come from that.

00:31:17.500 Restore is not that, right?

00:31:19.180 Restore comes out of British nativism and, like, you know,

00:31:22.820 And you know where those guys, because there are other groups

00:31:25.340 that those guys are in.

00:31:26.800 Yeah.

00:31:27.440 They're not in Restore.

00:31:29.160 Yeah.

00:31:29.620 And so, like, him being like, oh, this 150,000 members in Restore

00:31:33.200 are basically Nazis.

00:31:34.480 It's like, well, aren't you afraid of that?

00:31:37.420 That should be a terrifying number to you.

00:31:39.360 No, the Conservative Party have been swimming left for so long.

00:31:43.340 They don't recognize.

00:31:43.920 It doesn't recognize the gulf on its right.

00:31:46.860 Yeah.

00:31:47.300 I mean, like, Rupert Lowe is sort of dispositionally akin

00:31:51.000 to kind of Lord Wellington, right?

00:31:56.120 He's that kind of, like, old Tory, like, you know,

00:31:58.560 19th century Tory disposition, right?

00:32:01.060 He's not massively ideological.

00:32:02.760 He just knows what the structures are

00:32:04.220 and what they're supposed to be to make the country function.

00:32:06.660 And he's a disciplinarian on those things.

00:32:08.380 If he was an MP in Thatcher's time,

00:32:12.580 or any time, you know, Wellington's time,

00:32:15.580 any time in between Wellington and Thatcher...

00:32:17.960 He'd have fit in perfectly.

00:32:18.840 Yeah, well, he would have been unremarkable, really.

00:32:20.800 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:32:21.640 He would have fit in perfectly.

00:32:22.960 The reason he stands out today

00:32:24.520 is because he still believes in the things that work,

00:32:27.140 that have always worked.

00:32:28.340 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:32:30.460 But as far as Tim Montgomery concerns,

00:32:31.880 right, Nazi, Nazi, be on the pale.

00:32:34.700 We can't have these people. 0.97

00:32:36.000 Let them, you know, go forever.

00:32:37.600 and this is the thing,

00:32:38.660 they're trying to eject us

00:32:39.980 out of politics entirely. 0.92

00:32:41.620 Yeah, and make us disappear.

00:32:43.080 Make us disappear.

00:32:43.720 Obviously, we're not going to disappear,

00:32:44.860 but that's the point.

00:32:46.480 This is in his mind.

00:32:48.020 Well, I mean,

00:32:48.300 the interesting thing is, right,

00:32:49.340 I mean,

00:32:50.080 I've probably got as much

00:32:52.020 political influence

00:32:53.320 as Tim Montgomery have.

00:32:54.460 You have a lot more.

00:32:56.120 Possibly.

00:32:56.540 You don't get invited

00:32:57.460 on the daily low T.

00:32:59.480 That's because they're

00:33:00.040 a conservative podcast.

00:33:01.740 I mean, The Telegraph

00:33:02.400 is an avowedly

00:33:03.640 pro-conservative party publication.

00:33:05.940 But it's all this boundary setting.

00:33:07.940 It's we, the Telegraph, and Tim Montgomery,

00:33:10.020 we get to set the boundaries.

00:33:11.760 Oh, and those boundaries just happen to look like

00:33:13.780 everything that the Tories have believed.

00:33:15.600 Yeah.

00:33:16.100 I mean, he went on Newsnight as well.

00:33:18.320 Oh, of course.

00:33:18.720 And attacked Zia Yusuf again.

00:33:20.680 Now, why did the BBC invite him on to Newsnight

00:33:24.060 to attack Zia Yusuf? 0.93

00:33:25.640 Because he's setting those boundaries, 0.91

00:33:27.780 which happened to align with the Uniparty. 0.99

00:33:30.200 They recognise that Zia Yusuf

00:33:32.160 is actually outside of their boundaries.

00:33:33.880 Zia Yusuf is actually on the nativist side of the question,

00:33:36.540 and Tim Montgomery has been leading the assault on the nativists.

00:33:40.640 And so, yeah, oh, can you look us in the eyes 0.93

00:33:42.460 and tell us that Mr. Yusuf is suitable

00:33:44.120 for one of the great officers of state?

00:33:46.580 Which one?

00:33:47.680 The one occupied by David Lammy?

00:33:49.120 Or Jess Phillips?

00:33:50.140 Or Lisa Nandy?

00:33:51.960 Or Burnham?

00:33:52.900 Like, sorry-

00:33:53.380 Such political titans you missed, Carl.

00:33:55.640 Yeah, exactly.

00:33:56.360 Like, yeah, I think Zia Yusuf would be just fine

00:33:58.740 amongst those luminaries.

00:34:00.600 Like, sorry, the political,

00:34:02.000 the great offices of state

00:34:03.100 in this country

00:34:03.500 have been occupied 1.00

00:34:04.020 by morons and traitors 1.00

00:34:06.040 for decades. 1.00

00:34:08.020 Like, Zee Youssef

00:34:08.540 would be a step up

00:34:09.480 from any of the people

00:34:10.300 you could think of at the moment.

00:34:11.120 And we do have to say

00:34:12.020 great offices of state,

00:34:13.340 not great officers of state.

00:34:15.220 Well, yeah.

00:34:15.520 We haven't had any

00:34:16.260 great officers of state

00:34:17.460 for so long.

00:34:18.620 Yeah.

00:34:19.240 It is mad.

00:34:21.180 And this all comes

00:34:22.820 in the context

00:34:23.840 of the non-stop

00:34:25.100 media attacks

00:34:26.400 on the right.

00:34:27.580 For the past couple of weeks now,

00:34:29.200 or what was it,

00:34:29.700 probably a month now,

00:34:30.800 they have been...

00:34:32.000 On an absolute jihad against Restore.

00:34:34.040 Oh, the Alistair Heath stuff, yeah.

00:34:36.020 Yeah, Alistair Heath and the Telegraph in particular

00:34:39.300 have been going out of their minds against it.

00:34:42.460 The phrase that he keeps using is,

00:34:45.160 they are beyond the pale.

00:34:46.800 Okay, let's think about that.

00:34:48.660 What's the pale?

00:34:49.960 You've constructed it.

00:34:51.360 You've defined what it is.

00:34:53.020 You've defined where the boundaries are.

00:34:55.280 Again, I mean, I know I've said this like 20 times.

00:34:58.020 It's just gatekeeping to get us back

00:35:00.320 to whatever the Tories believe.

00:35:02.000 it's gatekeeping to get us back to david cameron conservative yes that's what he wants which is

00:35:07.480 just tony blair libtardism which is just globalism oh well david cameron conservatism is conserving

00:35:13.980 what blair did yes so basically it is it's just actually you peel back enough layers of this and

00:35:19.520 eventually you get to the dark lord himself tony blair has remade britain and it must remain like

00:35:25.020 that for all time this is what we're conserving and so you get people like tim stanley and the

00:35:29.120 host of one of those of the daily telegraph podcast um replying to like oh look all the

00:35:33.760 infighting on the right uh and tim's down is like relax we're fighting like rats in a sack with no

00:35:38.860 it's like tim i think you're a liberal democrat mate i i think you are just the david cameron

00:35:43.900 wing of the conservative party which is a left-wing party i don't think of you as a right

00:35:47.740 winger i don't think we share a same political goal i don't think you care if the english become

00:35:54.080 a minority in england i don't think you care i don't think you could ever say this

00:35:58.640 i wonder if on some level that he does but he's just trained himself by if you want to get places

00:36:07.280 in the political establishment prior to basically the last few years post-covid

00:36:12.720 certainly if you want to get anywhere in the conservative party or or the telegraph

00:36:16.600 you have to train yourself to believe these these post-war liberal you've got to be a wimpy mummy's

00:36:21.440 boy i mean he's the guy who's writing mummy one and i'm very happy about kenny badenok mummy's 0.96

00:36:25.760 doing this mummy's doing that so this is pathetic and he's like oh relax we're fighting what do you

00:36:31.480 mean we i mean what we is there here he he is the lowest team member of the low t daily podcast and 0.88

00:36:38.160 the rest and the other person on that podcast is a woman so yeah and so it's just like yeah exactly

00:36:43.160 no no you're absolutely right i mean youtube keeps forcing me to watch this right i mean

00:36:50.020 like i actually pick them because they're the same length as my car journey so

00:36:55.120 oh it's sufferable but like you like i'll be doing something uh and i'll have you know youtube on the

00:37:00.920 background i'll be off gym or wherever uh or painting or something like that and youtube

00:37:04.760 will flip this on for me it's like oh fuck's sake uh so i ended up watching this right and 0.66

00:37:09.580 they just they just think we're nazis watch this like this is my challenge to listeners slash 0.95

00:37:14.520 viewers

00:37:15.840 send us in

00:37:17.220 a Mr. Man

00:37:18.440 for the different parties

00:37:19.480 how would they be dressed?

00:37:20.940 What would Mr. Lib Dem

00:37:21.880 look like?

00:37:22.480 What would Mr. Tory look like?

00:37:23.740 Or Mrs. Tory?

00:37:24.720 Yes.

00:37:25.260 Little Miss 0.99

00:37:26.060 reform. 0.99

00:37:27.660 Yeah, exactly.

00:37:28.560 Let's have a look.

00:37:29.380 I mean,

00:37:29.640 and if you're going to do

00:37:30.600 Mr. Restore

00:37:31.400 don't just send us

00:37:32.220 a Mr. Man

00:37:32.720 with a white sheet.

00:37:33.720 Okay.

00:37:34.740 That's cheap.

00:37:35.440 Or a brown shirt.

00:37:36.220 That's cheap.

00:37:37.540 You're so funny, Camilla.

00:37:39.100 It's what I said before.

00:37:39.980 One inch to my right 0.72

00:37:40.840 there be Nazis. 0.75

00:37:42.260 It literally is.

00:37:43.280 and and until we have an entire and that's why i do what i do working with you on this

00:37:49.880 because the the power of what we do is getting to um refresh the mindset that the next generation

00:37:57.920 coming into these jobs that coming into politics is going to have and you don't need to accept the

00:38:03.500 notion that you're either david cameron or a nazi if you're on the right yes that is not how it works

00:38:09.260 It's just people who want to have a country, a family, and a life, and a home.

00:38:13.620 It's not unreasonable.

00:38:14.760 It doesn't mean you want to invade Poland.

00:38:16.860 They just want a country of their own.

00:38:18.100 Yeah.

00:38:18.360 Can we get out of this, the war, the war, the war, the war?

00:38:22.980 Apparently not.

00:38:24.060 Yeah.

00:38:24.280 Apparently it's brown shirts and KKK.

00:38:26.500 Yeah.

00:38:27.220 As if there isn't any way a fair representation of the 150,000 people.

00:38:33.000 I mean, we go to the branch meetings, they're just normal people.

00:38:35.620 Most of them sort of middle-aged.

00:38:36.840 It's people who are concerned about their kids. 0.99

00:38:39.260 And look at Camilla,

00:38:40.820 look at you branches.

00:38:43.000 We are currently in the middle 0.90

00:38:44.900 of a rape epidemic, Camilla.

00:38:47.140 We're currently in the middle.

00:38:48.780 If you go back 20 years, 0.52

00:38:50.120 there were 8,000 rapes a year.

00:38:51.200 Now there are 80,000 rapes a year.

00:38:53.340 Do you not think this, 0.87

00:38:54.140 oh, you branches.

00:38:56.060 You wouldn't hear yourself.

00:38:58.560 The English in London,

00:39:01.020 37% of the population in 2000.

00:39:05.040 2020.

00:39:06.000 What do you think it's going to look like in 2030?

00:39:07.760 she's acting like we're just completely unreasonable bigoted savages no actually i 0.93

00:39:13.140 i object to the the cannibalism the beheadings of rape child rape yeah the rape gang report did 0.93

00:39:18.460 you read any of the rape gang report any of the testimonies from the victims where it's just the 0.98

00:39:23.100 most harrowing things you've ever read and camilla's brown shirts unbelievable disgusting 0.53

00:39:28.900 yeah like but but this is i hate saying she's so pleased and smug with herself having said that

00:39:34.680 I called them brown shirts. 1.00

00:39:36.520 There are children being raped right now by foreigners. 1.00

00:39:40.980 Yeah. 0.99

00:39:41.440 And Camilla is like, well, as long as you're not being a mean Nazi about it.

00:39:45.920 I mean, I showed you before we just, before we came on air,

00:39:48.340 the Home Office has put out a pamphlet.

00:39:50.280 They're going to be handing out to my friends. 0.99

00:39:51.240 Please don't rape children. 0.99

00:39:52.200 Yes. 0.99

00:39:52.740 Please don't rape children. 0.99

00:39:53.860 Yeah. 1.00

00:39:54.180 It's like, God damn it, Camilla. 0.98

00:39:56.480 That will nail it. 0.99

00:39:57.920 You know, now we can have as many third world as we like, 0.99

00:40:01.040 as long as we hand them a leaflet that says, 1.00

00:40:02.720 please do not rape children and eat them. 0.98

00:40:05.320 I mean, okay, right, fine. 1.00

00:40:07.280 But the brown shirts, it's so insufferable. 0.83

00:40:11.360 Yeah.

00:40:12.080 Anyway, so the point being, I don't think there's a we

00:40:14.000 that includes me and Camilla, me and Tim Stantley, right?

00:40:17.120 There's not a we between us.

00:40:18.780 We are not fighting like racks in a sack.

00:40:21.240 You are the left, you are the enemy, 0.57

00:40:23.120 and you recognize that Zia Yusuf is also your enemy,

00:40:26.880 which is why you've been going after him so hard.

00:40:29.240 I mean, look at what The Spectator has published here about Zia Yusuf.

00:40:32.140 So this is actually disgusting character.

00:40:35.860 There's something sulfurous about Zia Yusuf.

00:40:39.680 No, no, but look at the rest of it, right? 0.91

00:40:41.600 There is something sulfurous about Zia Yusuf,

00:40:44.060 the deep set, unblinking eyes, 0.99

00:40:47.220 the ardent belief in his own mission,

00:40:48.880 the position as Rasputin at the court of Tsar Nigel Farage,

00:40:52.540 a fervid prophetic interloper, right?

00:40:56.480 We're not prowling the streets of Dover, 0.75

00:40:58.740 hunting for an aquatic Afghan to harangue. 1.00

00:41:01.680 Yusuf spends his time

00:41:03.340 falling out with his

00:41:04.120 reformed colleagues

00:41:04.860 having run rings around him

00:41:06.700 by the former editor

00:41:07.520 of magazine on panels

00:41:08.600 and speaking about

00:41:09.640 new arrivals

00:41:10.160 with an acidity

00:41:11.100 that only a second 1.00

00:41:12.060 generation immigrant 1.00

00:41:12.940 can command. 1.00

00:41:14.380 Reader, he terrifies me,

00:41:15.940 says,

00:41:16.600 Michael Gove's paper.

00:41:18.380 As if he is molesting 0.93

00:41:20.200 children or something. 0.68

00:41:22.460 As if he is like 0.62

00:41:23.900 a serial killer.

00:41:25.540 He is very low down 0.99

00:41:27.120 the list of migrants 1.00

00:41:27.960 that we need to be

00:41:28.680 especially concerned with.

00:41:29.840 i mean if if our migrants were like zeer yusuf we'd have far fewer problems with migration

00:41:34.960 they have a lot less of an issue but i i love the i love the um religious symbolism that has

00:41:40.820 been interwoven from that we're going with sulfurism i mean you know this is demonic this is

00:41:47.820 early stage christ this is fourth century christianity speaking here this is this is this

00:41:54.000 is a this is a this is a demon this is something from the other side and and and it just shows 0.96

00:41:59.440 you how cucked and and how blinkered disgusting mainstream conservatism has become in this country 0.95

00:42:06.500 that we are reacting with fourth century christian religious zeal against somebody who says that yeah 0.97

00:42:14.100 maybe immigration has gone too far we might need to reverse it a bit and the people who did this 0.99

00:42:18.460 to us don't get put in a cabinet position next week imagine how much of an absolute pussy will

00:42:23.620 atkinson must be to be afraid of zeal a standard conservative is what he is probably well yeah 0.96

00:42:28.000 exactly and he's probably thinking oh mummy will save me from zia yusuf but is the but then just

00:42:32.700 this is just a disgusting piece of rhetoric right if zia yusuf was white he would have been out ages

00:42:38.060 ago yeah yeah absolutely but this this is like the deep set of blinking eyes yeah like dude like he's 0.93

00:42:46.980 i mean what's he supposed to do about his eyes like what's he supposed to like he's comparing

00:42:51.660 into a shark or something yeah exactly compared to like this this is just a genuinely disgraceful

00:42:58.220 way of trying to poison people's attitudes towards it again i'm slightly concerned we've had to spend

00:43:05.780 the last hour bigging up um zaya yusuf but again i just i just reiterate before the theory crafters

00:43:12.800 get in there we are not softening people up to bring him into a store and actually as we put it

00:43:18.680 he would be completely unremarkable if he was in restore he he's just the last on the left of

00:43:25.520 restore yeah he is the last line of any sense that remains in reform it's him and then you

00:43:34.560 break that boundary it's like that meme of the of the dam and the village below it with the water

00:43:39.400 building up on the other side moment he goes yeah conservatives rizia yeah store yeah conservatives

00:43:45.880 is going to be like

00:43:46.280 and not just the reform

00:43:47.040 the right

00:43:47.720 yes 0.85

00:43:48.260 the British right

00:43:49.200 right

00:43:49.680 yes

00:43:49.940 and this is why

00:43:51.580 like them 0.90

00:43:52.880 being able to kick out Zia 1.00

00:43:54.600 and pin nativism to him 1.00

00:43:57.240 as they do it

00:43:58.200 yes

00:43:58.600 is a way of expelling us all

00:44:00.080 from poverty

00:44:00.460 and another example 1.00

00:44:01.820 of 4th century Christianity 0.82

00:44:03.200 the scapegoat 1.00

00:44:04.140 we're going to put all of our sins 0.88

00:44:05.480 onto the goat 1.00

00:44:06.340 and then we're going to kill the goat 1.00

00:44:08.160 and then all of our sins 0.99

00:44:09.520 are lifted

00:44:09.940 yeah

00:44:10.240 and so this is no different

00:44:11.840 to them writing

00:44:12.940 look restore us beyond the pale

00:44:14.160 this is no different

00:44:15.500 it's all the same thing again we're the ones defining the pale exactly ones defining the 0.99

00:44:20.120 boundaries and those people on the other side terrify us therefore we have to take action 0.99

00:44:23.580 against them therefore all of them up until and including zia yusuf have to be expelled yeah none

00:44:29.060 of these people are allowed to be in british politics the day after zia yusuf goes it'll be

00:44:33.060 so approaching next and the next one the next one and the next one yeah and you get this you know

00:44:36.500 dan hodges being like yeah very toxic elements well they include now zia yusuf we're all deeply

00:44:41.740 Yeah, we are toxic. We're toxic to your failed system of governance.

00:44:45.920 Yeah.

00:44:46.440 That's what we're toxic to, and rightfully so.

00:44:49.200 Well, we're toxic to the premises that they rest their arguments on,

00:44:53.580 which we'll go through.

00:44:54.260 Yes.

00:44:54.460 Because, I mean, you remember Nigel Farage describing what a Welsh person was?

00:44:57.940 Somebody who pays tax in Wales.

00:44:59.280 You say that you would like to give priority to people from Wales for housing.

00:45:05.400 How would you define a Welsh person?

00:45:09.100 Well, it's a very fair question from your channel.

00:45:11.740 We hadn't proposed the Welsh language test.

00:45:15.140 No, look, it's got to be somebody who's lived

00:45:17.020 and is settled in Wales, has paid taxes and obeyed the law.

00:45:22.280 And if someone's done that for a five or 10-year period,

00:45:25.000 then I think they've every right to say

00:45:26.300 that they're fully part of the Welsh community.

00:45:31.920 Quick thing on that, right?

00:45:34.080 This is the Tory wet view of patriotism.

00:45:38.380 You arrived in Wales, you paid taxes and obeyed the law

00:45:41.580 for five or ten years and therefore you are just as welsh as someone who whose ancestors literally 0.98

00:45:47.660 go back to before the roman invasion of britain gork and morgue could crash their spaceship in

00:45:52.340 wales and as long as they remain there for five years yeah they're welsh now i mean but also who

00:45:56.760 doesn't this include toddlers not welsh they haven't lived there for five years they're only 0.88

00:46:01.280 three years old yeah housewives haven't paid taxes not welsh well criminals you break you you you

00:46:08.620 steal from a local corn shop you're not welsh what about the welsh guy who still has a really

00:46:12.680 thick welsh accent who lives in my street but doesn't even wales is he is he not welsh no

00:46:17.040 absolutely he's no longer welsh like this however mafasa el kebab axel rudikabana well yeah yes

00:46:24.760 he's welsh he's a welsh choir boy right and so this this is this is the what the tory wets would

00:46:30.900 have us believe this is what they think they think it is literally people are interchangeable

00:46:36.080 they've got the pure liberal view

00:46:37.520 it's just a label we slap on you

00:46:40.100 and there's nothing essential

00:46:42.020 providing we have provided you the paperwork

00:46:44.320 you are whatever was on the paperwork

00:46:46.700 that we've given you

00:46:47.500 correct

00:46:47.820 which is why they're just like

00:46:49.300 yeah

00:46:49.520 mummy

00:46:50.160 I hope you've got Danny Kruger coming up soon

00:46:52.640 yeah I do actually

00:46:53.420 right here

00:46:54.020 I won't play it just because

00:46:56.180 it's a two minute long clip

00:46:57.580 but he says that

00:46:58.260 the Afghan children that Robert Jenrick smuggled here

00:47:01.200 are as much the heirs of Alfred the Great as we are

00:47:03.380 so what they're saying is

00:47:05.060 literally your heritage is not contingent on your actual heritage like the heritage you have is just

00:47:12.340 again been there for five or ten years alfred the great's your guy afghan immigrant yeah like 0.84

00:47:17.580 nonsense absolute nonsense yeah i mean if if i mean if if i moved to the sandy place 0.87

00:47:23.860 would i become an heir to saladin you become an heir to bin laden yeah 0.93

00:47:28.640 the dirty wizard himself but that's the that's the question how long would i have to live in

00:47:36.920 arabia for to be in the era of saladin yes no limited amount of time because i could never 0.81

00:47:41.980 be the air and and and how many how many arab nationalist parties would go on podcast to make

00:47:52.120 the claim that i was yes you know and so the wet globalist tories as just that's what they are

00:47:58.420 You had on the Daily Telegraph the other day,

00:48:01.720 Poppy Coburn saying,

00:48:02.600 well, it would be a pretty extreme step 0.99

00:48:03.740 to deport a million illegal immigrants.

00:48:06.660 Would it? 1.00

00:48:07.920 Everyone agrees that we should be deporting 1.00

00:48:09.980 every illegal immigrant. 1.00

00:48:11.160 That is baseline hygiene, 1.00

00:48:13.000 deporting the illegal ones.

00:48:15.060 Exactly.

00:48:15.520 It's completely uncontroversial.

00:48:16.720 Something like 80% of people agree with it,

00:48:18.380 and the rest vote for Zach Polanski.

00:48:20.500 Like, you know, probably not even that many,

00:48:21.780 but anyway, the point is,

00:48:23.480 like, everyone agrees with this,

00:48:24.620 and yet on the Daily Telegraph,

00:48:26.580 it's like, wow,

00:48:27.160 It's a pretty extreme step to deport all illegal immigrants. 0.96

00:48:30.020 I mean, this is what caused Mike Jones

00:48:31.860 to have a crash out about Poppy Coburn the other day,

00:48:34.060 saying, well, she's a total seller.

00:48:35.500 Anyone who believes this woman is really trustworthy

00:48:37.300 in anything related to right-wing politics 0.75

00:48:38.840 needs to take a hike. 1.00

00:48:40.140 She's a pole climber, because what she's done, 1.00

00:48:41.920 being a Zoomer, he thinks she has moderated 1.00

00:48:44.500 her message on the right to get access

00:48:47.140 to the Daily Telegraph podcast

00:48:48.460 and get in with the establishment. 1.00

00:48:51.380 I've never heard of this woman.

00:48:52.780 Well, I mean, she's all right.

00:48:54.620 I mean, I don't know her or anything,

00:48:55.880 but she seems okay

00:48:57.400 to be honest

00:48:57.920 I've seen her on a bunch

00:48:58.740 of podcasts

00:48:59.160 and on the BBC

00:48:59.660 and whatnot

00:48:59.960 and yeah

00:49:01.440 she's moderate

00:49:02.220 but there was always

00:49:03.820 a feeling she was

00:49:04.720 pushing from the right

00:49:06.220 but now

00:49:07.840 it does feel

00:49:09.300 she's like

00:49:09.640 well deporting 1.00

00:49:10.160 illegal

00:49:10.440 now it feels like

00:49:12.580 she has

00:49:13.660 accepted

00:49:14.400 the kind of

00:49:15.260 moderation

00:49:16.400 of the Tory wets

00:49:18.440 well I mean

00:49:19.100 the moderation machine

00:49:20.480 as you can see

00:49:21.120 goes after everybody

00:49:22.060 and probably pays

00:49:23.200 very well as well

00:49:23.860 yes

00:49:24.780 well

00:49:25.060 she's got access 0.98

00:49:26.680 to the Daily Tea. 0.67

00:49:27.900 Yeah.

00:49:28.300 I mean,

00:49:28.540 how much do you think

00:49:29.100 Tim Stanley gets paid

00:49:30.000 for his Daily Telegraph podcast?

00:49:32.040 Probably quite a lot of money.

00:49:33.080 Probably more than we get.

00:49:33.840 It's probably a bundle

00:49:34.420 with everything he does

00:49:35.140 with the Telegraph,

00:49:35.900 but it's going to be

00:49:36.800 six figures something.

00:49:37.920 Yeah.

00:49:38.300 Right.

00:49:38.800 Yeah.

00:49:39.200 Anyway.

00:49:40.240 So,

00:49:41.040 the Tories

00:49:43.820 have

00:49:44.580 gone on record

00:49:46.720 and said,

00:49:47.080 no,

00:49:47.220 we're not going to have

00:49:48.240 a pact with reform

00:49:50.280 as long as

00:49:51.320 Zia Yusuf is in it. 0.80

00:49:53.640 They're Charlie Downs

00:49:54.880 him they are indeed charlie dancing him they are and this and we've been trying to teach them this

00:50:02.400 for so long if if you play their games their games will be played on you next and it's like

00:50:09.400 i didn't expect it to be the space of one week but i mean that is beautiful it's how predictable

00:50:16.220 and how obvious the process and the cycle is right just stop playing their bloody games

00:50:24.240 stop thinking like them stop stop accepting their mental paradigms stop doing and step over the 0.98

00:50:30.060 tories bury them zia is right these people need to be buried and burnt who is the one politician 0.53

00:50:36.400 in reform who has done that it's zia yusuf in fact he went on uh talk tv a couple of weeks ago and

00:50:43.900 says yeah we're willing to work with rupert lowe apparently as possible i watched this and you

00:50:48.460 could tell it was difficult for him because it's like oh would you work with rupert lowe and he

00:50:51.780 and he has to kind of stop and sigh.

00:50:53.840 On a personal level, I don't want to.

00:50:55.020 Yeah, which is what I said about him in my video.

00:50:57.440 You know, I like his politics.

00:50:58.980 I don't like him.

00:51:00.120 Sure.

00:51:00.560 But if I had to, I could work with him

00:51:02.500 in order to win an election to do something.

00:51:04.340 In order to save the blood.

00:51:05.160 I'd never like the guy, but I could work with him.

00:51:07.160 But we understand we've both got a shared interest

00:51:08.900 in the country.

00:51:09.420 And the thing is, who was it?

00:51:10.920 It was Nigel Farage who was like,

00:51:12.360 oh no, I'm going to salami slice.

00:51:14.560 I'm going to salami slice.

00:51:16.240 Zee Yusuf is not salami slicing,

00:51:18.200 and he is the thing they want to salami slice

00:51:20.180 because he won't salami slice the right thing thing is though this tactic is 30 40 years old

00:51:27.920 yes and it's worked for all of that time yes but no but think about it right like so i've i've

00:51:33.500 watched you know podcasts of our friends on the right whole like why are they saying nice things

00:51:36.540 about zia yusuf it's because we have to break the salami slicing machine yeah that machine has to

00:51:41.720 break that's the reason everything is dragged left all the time it's the reason cthulhu only

00:51:45.460 spoons left it's because the salami slicer exists on to salami slice the right and z yusuf is the

00:51:51.300 only person in reform who's refusing that nigel farage is already salami sliced z yusuf himself

00:51:56.540 is trying to be salami sliced but given the machine has to break but given how well oiled 0.61

00:52:01.640 and practiced and funded this salami machine is i mean do we think that zai yusuf is going to be 0.78

00:52:07.540 here in a month's time well he's a co-owner of reform there's no democratic way to remove him

00:52:14.860 yeah but kathleen break blake lock was a co-owner of um you know the ukip one point and she's still

00:52:21.360 got brexit brexit party okay sure i mean i don't know right i don't know it's i mean it seems that

00:52:29.660 nigel farage is particularly attached to zee yusuf even though in against his but but but that will

00:52:35.620 be his logic his logic won't be the exact thing that we've spent the last hour explaining which

00:52:40.680 is the moment he goes it the slimy machine will just move on to the next one and the next one and 0.64

00:52:47.280 the next one until you are basically david cameron celebrating gay marriage and importing people

00:52:54.820 en masse it's it's it won't it is toryism this is the thing that needs to be defeated yes and so

00:53:01.640 for anyone's own what is there the powers that be no it's not the powers that be like arranging

00:53:06.940 Zia Yusuf

00:53:07.580 into a coalition

00:53:08.400 or anything like that

00:53:09.000 what it is

00:53:09.700 is about breaking

00:53:10.360 the machine

00:53:10.720 that salami slices

00:53:11.540 well the machine

00:53:12.380 is the mental trap

00:53:13.800 that the right

00:53:14.440 has put itself in

00:53:15.680 as a result

00:53:16.820 of post-war liberalism

00:53:18.260 yes

00:53:18.520 and all you've got to do

00:53:19.580 is stop thinking

00:53:20.560 like that

00:53:21.200 and all you have to

00:53:21.660 is say no

00:53:22.100 yeah

00:53:22.540 I mean like

00:53:23.300 Rupert Lowe

00:53:23.980 did not kick

00:53:24.480 Charlie Dabbs out

00:53:25.320 and Nigel Farage

00:53:26.960 hasn't kicked 1.00

00:53:27.400 Zia Yusuf out

00:53:28.060 and actually

00:53:28.820 if we can get to a point

00:53:29.600 where no

00:53:30.160 you don't get to make

00:53:31.400 these kind of ultimatums

00:53:32.500 yeah you can come for us

00:53:33.460 but we're not gonna

00:53:34.060 yeah exactly

00:53:34.760 we're not gonna care

00:53:35.400 we're just gonna say no

00:53:36.480 no

00:53:36.940 That's why actually bolstering Zia Yusuf's position in reform at the moment

00:53:41.140 is useful for the right more broadly, right?

00:53:44.540 It's useful for the patriot side more broadly. 1.00

00:53:47.340 I mean, well, once the salami machine is off 1.00

00:53:50.340 and we're not worrying about it anymore, 0.99

00:53:51.820 then we can actually talk about and expand to the right, right?

00:53:55.660 We can't expand to the right.

00:53:56.540 That said, if Zia does go... 1.00

00:54:00.040 It'll be good for us overall. 0.53

00:54:01.020 It'll be fantastic for a store.

00:54:03.340 Because a huge space will then be on the right.

00:54:06.220 Yes, but it also might be bad for the progress of the right in mainstream discourse.

00:54:11.620 Yeah, except that we are already out of their mental prison,

00:54:15.300 and therefore we have freedom to operate, whereas they're still in it.

00:54:18.620 Yeah, we are.

00:54:19.480 But there are always contested platforms.

00:54:23.260 Even, like, you know, I mean,

00:54:25.300 Connor was debating with Catherine Burblesseing on The Spectator,

00:54:28.160 and that was pulled, right?

00:54:29.140 But you can see the forces were coming into contact in these contested arenas.

00:54:34.180 and what they're trying to do is lock down these contested arenas say right we'll never have you

00:54:38.320 guys right and zeus if to the right you're never you know you're all gone right and so farage

00:54:43.080 actually keeping zeus on side and in reform means that next time he goes and zeus on question time

00:54:49.760 a lot right you know rupert lowe's not invited to question time you know zeus is on these platforms

00:54:54.760 quite a lot so the right has a presence there and we're not locked out of the discourse right and

00:55:00.820 And if they are able to salami slice Zeyusuf,

00:55:04.100 then that's another, 0.96

00:55:05.320 and I think Zeyusuf is actually probably quite pivotal here,

00:55:08.240 that the right is locked out of discourse.

00:55:10.740 And so this is why, like, oh, why are you supporting Zeyusuf?

00:55:12.800 Well, because in a lot of ways we're quite similar,

00:55:15.760 and because if we break the salami slicing machine, 0.98

00:55:18.640 that opens the avenue for the rest of us

00:55:20.600 to start gaining footholds where it is actually good to be.

00:55:23.900 We want to be on the inside

00:55:26.720 because we want our politics to be represented

00:55:28.900 in the great like you know media and we want results we want results we want people to hear

00:55:34.500 us we want you know not just preaching to the choir right we want these things to be the cultural

00:55:39.400 tide that washes over them and they the thing is they recognize it's coming that's what they're

00:55:44.160 doing they're trying no no restores beyond the pale zeus is sulfurous beyond the pale they're

00:55:47.980 trying to stop the tide coming in well it's a big tide at this point because it's not happening in

00:55:53.520 this country it's happening across europe absolutely yeah and and and they they all see it coming i

00:55:57.740 I mean, speaking of people listening to us,

00:55:59.860 Zai, if you are watching, come on,

00:56:01.400 I'll give you an interview.

00:56:02.900 You can unblock me on Twitter.

00:56:04.500 I'll be nice to you.

00:56:06.400 Seriously, though, I really think that's what they're

00:56:08.720 really panicking about at the moment. 1.00

00:56:10.740 And that's why they want to salami slice Zia. 0.99

00:56:12.840 That's why they want, you know, 0.54

00:56:13.840 they thought they wouldn't be able to salami slice Charlie.

00:56:15.540 Oh, that didn't work. 1.00

00:56:16.480 We'll just go for Zia then. 1.00

00:56:17.640 And then with him, you know, 0.92

00:56:19.020 like they see it as a series of attachments

00:56:20.900 where then we can set it all adrift

00:56:23.060 and we never have to worry about that

00:56:24.660 icky far right ever again.

00:56:26.120 So no, that's not going to happen. 0.96

00:56:27.740 I mean, if it was Stalin Russia and we were getting shot in the back of the head, it worked. 0.98

00:56:33.020 It would work, yeah. 0.86

00:56:33.740 It doesn't.

00:56:34.720 We just go and create our own institutions.

00:56:36.780 Yes.

00:56:37.060 You go and set up Lotus Eaters.

00:56:38.560 Yes.

00:56:38.800 We'll set up Restore Britain.

00:56:40.020 I mean, that's what reform are.

00:56:41.940 Yes.

00:56:42.940 But so many people are now in this untouchable zone. 1.00

00:56:46.580 I mean, it's like half of the Zoomers are now in the untouchable zone. 1.00

00:56:50.960 What do you think is going to happen? 1.00

00:56:54.760 Well.

00:56:55.200 But the point is, it's actually good if Zia Youssef is able to resist the salami slicing. 0.83

00:57:00.400 It's good for the right more broadly, because it legitimizes us as a part of the mainstream discourse.

00:57:06.040 And we are a part of the mainstream discourse.

00:57:08.320 We have MPs.

00:57:09.380 We have actual MP representation.

00:57:12.140 We have people on question time and whatnot.

00:57:15.240 We have a seat at the table, and we want to retain that seat at the table

00:57:19.000 in order to be able to speak to those people who won't click on our content and choose to watch us.

00:57:24.300 because we can't reach those constituencies

00:57:26.400 who won't choose to watch our videos, right?

00:57:28.500 If they aren't going to willingly listen to us

00:57:31.040 and give us a chance,

00:57:31.980 then we have to get in those things.

00:57:33.320 Yeah, they've got a chance to cross us somehow.

00:57:35.100 Exactly.

00:57:35.820 So anyway, that's why we have been giving

00:57:38.200 Zia Yusuf moral support.

00:57:40.160 Not because we personally like him,

00:57:41.720 not because he's going to join the parties

00:57:43.120 that we're in or anything like that,

00:57:44.700 but because actually this is a much more broad question

00:57:48.800 of whether the right is mainstream or not.

00:57:51.520 It's a question of legitimacy.

00:57:53.040 Exactly.

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - August 21, 2026

The Battle for the Soul of the Right

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