The Battle of Clacton
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Summary
We re re-recanting the chat from yesterday because events conspired to render what we had said completely out of date. In this episode, we discuss why Nigel Farage is under so much pressure, why he decided to resign in Clacton and call a by-election, and why the media are determined to bring him down.
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Hi folks, welcome to another one of our political chats, where I'm joined by Dan, and today
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we've had to re-record the chat that we had yesterday, because events have conspired to
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overtake us, and render what we had said completely out of date.
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Because the confluence of forces in British politics have made it so that the current
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We are going to have so much fun with this one.
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yeah the great thing about it is we're on the outside of it right we have we have no dog in
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the fight that's about to happen and so we we we get nice contents out of it and no matter what
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happens we come out winners from it so i'm happy with that um anyway so basically just to just to
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spoil it just because then we'll take you through the whole process but spoil it
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Nigel Farage is under a lot of pressure so he decided to resign in Clacton and call a by-election
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and this is after a huge amount of pressure about his personal finances and it's it's it looks like
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it's backfiring in his face so what we're going to do is begin with why is Nigel Farage been under
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so much pressure so you may remember uh not so long ago actually he said this anybody I can't
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move more by the input hello chungus it's me Nigel fromage Sigma Sigma on the wall who's the
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of them all attention all sussy gamers wag one sigma sigma spider climbed up the skibbley spout
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you have no riz b5o farm i stole the blood of a chungus one he seems to really enjoy doing those
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cameos like that's a lot of energy if you paid like 80 quid or whatever to get nigel farage
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say skibbley riz and he's doing it with such joy so why could somebody on his team not said
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if you get 80 quid to do a shout out to big chungas just don't take the 80 quid what we
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preferably don't do any of this because it may die anyway famously Nigel Farage can't be bought
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unless you pay 80 quid on cameo and this has been a problem for Nigel Farage for a little while now
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and the media have grabbed hold of this like you know dog grabbing your ankle and they refuse to
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let go yes and it's threatening to actually bring Nigel Farage down there's nothing there's nothing
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actually wrong with this in fact i don't think it's not illegal or anything there was nothing
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wrong with anything that he's done with the exception of the not informing parliament as
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he's supposed to i don't have an issue so so the left has been going after him because the left
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just find the idea of anybody making any money ever distasteful that's not where we are we don't
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care if you want to make yourself look silly by doing a shout out to big chungas for 80 quid
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go ahead you know how much he was making on cameo every month how much 16 grand 16 grand a month
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16 grand a month by those cameos so you can see why he did it it it's not he makes him he makes
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a million a year from gb news alone does he need that extra 16 grand a month the problem with it
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was is you can't imagine anthony eden doing it i can't it's not statesman like does winston
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churchill do this does well he might actually but well okay maybe but you know does does nigel
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farage's political hero enoch powell do this i probably not i would think it's unlikely that
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i would do this on principle yes yeah exactly anyway so uh nigel farage can be bought uh fairly
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cheaply actually um but the the issue of nigel farage's money has been in the press for about
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a week two weeks now uh because they've realized that nigel farage doesn't really have a good
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answer to this and what this allows them to do is lean into the worst aspect of british political
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life which is the crabs in the bucket mentality so oh you you made some money did you oh well
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that's bad making money is bad because some people didn't make money and therefore somehow
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you're a bad person not equality or whatever it is it's not equality we and that as as um we can
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see from the green party on about 13 labor party on about 18 about a third of the country feels
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that way they're kind of like the soviets who genuinely think that the only legitimate thing
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is for you to not have any money because some people don't have any money and so if you make
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some money you are intrinsically suspect you're intrinsically a bad person if you haven't got a
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broken down old washing machine in your front garden with litter and your your daughters can't
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go outside there is something wrong with the world unless everybody is equally miserable there's a
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reason that the four yorksmen sketch from multi python actually still resonates with people and
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why it was funny in its own day yes i'm not a monty python fan i'm told it's funny um there's
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a reason that that mattered uh because that is a genuine sort of sentiment in the united kingdom
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in england um it's it's this kind of like low-minded resentment and a bunch of spiteful
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mutants he as far as i'm concerned he's got nothing to answer on this but for some reason
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that he couldn't answer it because because he is so captured by the liberal progressive frame he
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feels he has to channel everything through that he has he has to go through them he can't talk to
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alternative media ever he's always hated them he has to go through the media and therefore he has
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to engage with the concerns of the small-minded you know bloody leftists yeah the 30 who will
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never vote for him who are calling him a fascist every day yes like the people who who are never
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going to be on his side there's no point placating these people but he tries anyway but he tries
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anyway anyway so this is the times um uh expose on posh george cottrell who in 2016 was arrested
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in america and indicted for money laundering why fraud blackmail and extortion uh it's a very
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extensive article uh that tells so george cottrell he's only 32 he's a trust fund kid he's a trust
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fund he's at 250 million in the trust fund he's ahead of a trust fund it is but it also puts
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nigel farage taking like five million or a million here into perspective i mean the people he
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surrounds himself with are much much wealthier than him yeah and that's why he thinks with his
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net worth of whatever it is it must be like 10 12 million at this point i can't probably more
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probably more but you can understand why he thinks he's a pauper yeah because he surrounds himself
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with people like this yeah and they they pay everything for him so i mean uh george cotter
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pays for him to go on uh private jets he pays for you know all these travel expenses and it's
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security things like that right so it's it's not that there's anything wrong here it's just
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surrounding yourself with a trust fund kid who has a criminal record who is paying for everything
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for you who is like you know 30 years your junior yeah and and again i don't have a problem with the
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underlying here okay yeah he's a convicted criminal but what is he convicted of because
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he set up a business he set up a gambling business yes in the u.s and he fell the wrong side of
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whatever uh regulatory lines they had laid out that week because it keeps bloody changing and
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they went after him now if under a different regime under a different regulatory environment
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he would have been fine he was just a guy who opened a business but he got done for money
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laundering and all the rest of it and so he's and so he's so they can say that's the thing they like
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to do he's a convicted criminal what did he what is he actually convicted of opening a business of
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which people could if they wanted to participate in as a customer yeah it's not an issue but and
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And, like, just exactly, that word, oh, he's a convicted criminal.
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He's guilty of regulatory or bureaucratic criminality, right?
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It's stuff that, this is why we, generally on this channel,
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we have ignored all of this stuff, because we don't care.
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What we care about is people getting randomly stabbed in the street
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Yeah, this is a crime of procedure, not a crime of morality.
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As in, oh, no, the government said you can't do that.
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because that's exactly what you're going to be coming to,
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Well, yeah, I mean, it is what we're going to come to.
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But the point is, yeah, Farage is surrounded by, like,
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a coterie of, you know, insanely wealthy people,
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and he likes to swan in those circles, you know,
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the high-status circles, and he takes the money
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that you're doing well yes it's like okay i don't care what other people think what i'm doing what
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car do you drive where do you live maybe it's a gen x thing but i just don't care what they think
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i just have no you know anyway so the the point being this is fairly typical of that kind of
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cohort and that's one of the reasons why nigel has captured the boomer votes successfully is
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because he really does represent them he really does actually embody them anyway the next thing
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was frage's earnings over the 12 hours work selling gold bullion he earned 27 000 pounds
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good for him again what did you think nigel farage was worth he is an international celebrity he has
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campaigned trump he's the most recognizable politician in britain and possibly the most
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influential in the last i don't know 20 years or so like if nigel if a company is like nigel
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would like to promote our product nigel farage can charge a premium for his appearances i mean
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on the moral grounds i will tell you if a gold company wants me to flog their gold for 270 grand
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i'm doing it like that i mean just no question i'm not but okay because i'm a terrible capitalist
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but no i i mean maybe 12 hours anyway so i mean there's nothing wrong with gold gold's probably
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a good idea to be honest this isn't a paid sponsorship um but the point is it this is
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this is irrelevant they paid him money that they thought was worthwhile that he would take to do
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the job and nothing is wrong with it he declared it there's nothing wrong here there's no crime
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there's no allegation of wrongdoing what this is is envious cramps in the bucket people like
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beth rigby being like oh well i can't earn 270 grand by flogging gobbling no you can't because
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you're not popular yes because nobody likes beth rigby yeah exactly but a lot of people do like
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nigel farage so this is what happens with fame and success this is celebrity this is what do
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you think footballers are paid when they like advertise sneakers or nikes or whatever they're
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called but but i mean this is where he's getting caught up right because from our perspective on
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the right there's nothing wrong with any of this however the parliamentary rules on reporting
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actually do need to be followed well okay let's get to that in fact so this is the undeclared
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five million pound donation by crypto billionaire christopher harborn now again the british media
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have been like nigel why would he give you five million it's like well that's actually really
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easy to answer i was mr brexit i campaigned for a particular political a seismic political change
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in british politics and i won and some crypto billionaire wanted to reward me and if yours
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if your guy was like five billion pounds giving for us five million pounds is a pittance yeah
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if i was a crypto billionaire i wanted brexit so much i probably would have given him five million
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myself yeah and again it's like yeah again and again and again we look at this stuff and we think
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not an issue and imagine what they think about this in america they give me five million is that
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it like apac gave me a million last year yeah exactly yeah exactly like the these are these
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are genuinely quite small sums of money like what's nancy pelosi worth these days it's something like
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300 million oh god knows it's crazy gdp of spain i would imagine something like that and so
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like okay yeah this is what celebrities get given for the things that they provide to rich people
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rich people want to reward the people that they like harbourn wanted to reward farage so he just
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gave him five million with no strings attached i completely and and it was after the fact yeah
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but no strings it wasn't like um it would be dodgy if he gave him five million pounds as he
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was becoming prime minister and he said i want you to change the crypto regulations that would
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be dodgy and just to be clear nigel farage had not declared himself to be the mp of clacton at
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this point and it didn't look like he was going to so if you can cast your mind back to 2024
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uh nigel farage was saying well i'm going to go out to america and campaign for trump
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because it looked like in like reform had got to about 10 in the polls which isn't bad but it's
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not winning it yeah then it had that surge but then that a poll came out from clacton yep that
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had them on about 32 which was the delete and then nigel farage and he beat that as well yeah he did
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he yeeted the guy who was currently standing in clacton and he decided no i'm not going to go to
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america i'm going to stand here and reform won five seats yes now so it's perfectly understandable
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that he didn't mention it at the time sure however the issue is and actually these these rules are
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right i've got the parliamentary rule state that any benefits should be declared for the 12 months
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before taking up office as an mp depending on whether it was for political or personal purposes
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the rules state if there's any doubt the benefits should be registered now if uh depending on whether
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or not it was for political or personal purposes well at the time it's very it's very persuasive
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to be able to say well i wasn't standing for something i wasn't a politician i'm just gonna
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go out that's true but at the point he won his seat he should have he should have then disclosed
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the previous 12 months well and those rules are right because depending on whether it's political
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or personal purposes right well i mean in the case because let's say the chinese embassy gave a
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prospective parliamentary candidate five million for you know good works for communism that is the
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sort of thing i want to know so sure if you are going to be a public service if you are going to
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be an mp i don't think it is unreasonable that you should disclose this stuff and what you should
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have done is you should have disclosed at the point of becoming an mp yeah or as soon as he
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realized he was going to be a parliamentary candidate yeah should have just done it yeah
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should have done it and he then should have said there's nothing wrong with me taking this money
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but what he what he's actually did is he didn't disclose it and that is a clear breach of the
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parliamentary rules well and he's been advised that actually he was advised he didn't have to
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i can't see how he could have been advised that well because as the wording says it if it's
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political you've got to declare it though but if it's personal you might not have to declare if
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it's a reward for brexit it's very hard to argue that's not political well that's the that's the
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gray area that he's arguing and parliamentary standards do come down tough on this stuff so
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i mean i remember years ago michael gove um accepted a ticket to go and see qpr play now
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i don't know anything about football i know you don't know anything about football but i do know
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that qpr their unique selling point is they always lose so it is not it's not a great thing going to
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watch qpr but nevertheless he accepted this ticket and then he was late in forming parliament that he
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had taken something and they dragged him over the coals for that so if they're going to drag him
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over the coals for a late ticket to see a team lose yeah they are most definitely going to do
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it for five million quid as a political reward for a political project i mean it's just yes
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should have known better and either way it would have just been uh prudent to declare it yes and
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and then the lefties would still come for you anyway because they find making money distasteful
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and then he should have said none of your business go away don't care you spiteful mutants and that
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would have been the end of it yeah declare it before the election win the election yes none
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of this happens yes right um but that's not what happened he decided he wouldn't declare it um but
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like i said i don't think there's actually anything wrong with him taking this money i don't think
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there's anything wrong with christopher harbourn giving him this money and it's completely
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understandable i mean this like for example peter teal funds loads of influencers right because
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farage is basically a political influencer at this point peter if you're watching get in touch
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yeah he doesn't fund us nobody funds us you fund us um we're we're we're entirely grassroots which
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actually i'm really proud to be able to say that yes actually it's not because we're too proud it's
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just that nobody wants to give us money that's fine because we don't need anyone's money um but
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the the point is this is completely normal right billionaire patrons of political influences that
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they like uh completely normal nothing wrong with it so anyway they started going on about his
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property portfolio now which again it the the number four million sounds like a lot until you
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realize that's five properties so actually a couple of these properties are less than half a million
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each and they're only like three bed houses or whatever because property in this country is
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unbelievably the word empire in this headline is absurd yeah yeah not with the uk house prices i
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mean that that could literally be one house in london yeah uh so it could be one house in winchester
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it could be one house in lots of places at this point well yeah i mean his main one is a surrey
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home which is one and a half million nearly right and okay that that sounds big but it's a five
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bedroom four bathroom home with grounds it's like okay that's that's that's that's a nice house
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it's a long way from a stately home though exactly right it's it's not some sort of hollywood mansion
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though you know like a five bedroom house that's not that much i have a five bedroom house my house
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doesn't cost 1.4 million because i don't have loads of grounds but like a five bedroom house
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is good to have an it's a big house in a village right somewhere in england but like it's the house
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price is just way over costed way over costed right um so and then his other ones uh he's got
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like um was it a four bedroom house uh that his girlfriend has in clacton uh which again is four
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bedroom house for 885 000 pounds in clacton a left behind seaside town like this is crazy
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how expensive these are but again that's now considered his even though it's owned by his
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girlfriend uh then you have one in a camp village that his daughter lives in or his second wife
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lives in sorry then he's got one that his daughter lives in and it's like okay this this is not like
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you know he's not like being bill gates buying up farmland or black rock buying up villages or
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something no the word the word empire in that sentence is is absurd doing a lot of it's a
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couple of houses yeah so anyway nandre farage as you said has not had a good response to all of
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this he said well it's not the public's business well there's a reward for brexit campaigning which
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i believe that it was but if you're a politician it is our business where your money is coming from
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yeah well that's why making the argument after um it's perfectly legitimate is one thing but
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but all parliamentarians do have to disclose where their money is coming from
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because you don't want the Chinese embassy or whatever else influencing our politicians.
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Sure. And that's a problem that he just can't get around at this point.
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The left are attacking him for having made money at all.
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He is defending himself for having made money at all.
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Meanwhile, there's this underlying seam going along, which is, yeah, but the rules are broken.
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yes and that's the argument he made to uh nick ferrari saying this i could spend it on ferrari's
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a better course if i'm well it's like yes you can that's not the bit that gets you in trouble
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yeah exactly that's the bit that's making the public interested in hearing about that's what
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makes it salacious yes that's what makes it salacious and you're falling into that trap
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you should be arguing on the rules and the technicalities because i mean he claimed that
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he had had legal advice that said you don't have to declare this so whatever that legal advice was
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read that out and say look i was advised by my lawyers that this this this because then as soon
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as you're like as soon as you bring it to the the realm of legalese make it bureaucratic and boring
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the public turns off yes exactly the public just completely turn off and there's no yeah okay i
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don't care you know i am kind of stunned at that advice because i can't see how they came to that
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conclusion but nevertheless i don't know i'm not nevertheless do what you say read it out yeah
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make it bureaucratic and then say uh look if parliament takes a different view i'm happy to
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i've now provided all the details i'll pay a fine or whatever you know you know whatever the
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punishment is i'll just have to go through but keep it boring exactly keep it very boring but
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he didn't do that he made it as you said salacious by saying well i could spend it on ferraris or
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betting horses or whatever it's like which just churns the story more yeah exactly and so they've
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been you know the the dog's been grabbing his ankle and he's been dragging himself away and
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now he's falling down the dog biting him further you know uh so anyway the the lib dems you know
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the spiteful mutants well not the lib dems despite me necessarily but they report into the standards
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commission so he's now under investigation and this will actually go to a full investigation
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as we uh covered back here yes uh won't be uh concluded until september for some reason uh
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but anyway so this carries on and so people in reform are like look he hasn't broken any of the
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rules yeah but he did though well we'll we'll see right that's the thing i don't know so i don't
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want to declare that he does uh he has but the problem is nigel farage's responses he has just
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not been taking will you give this money back uh will you give your salary to charity how about
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that how about that i'm not ready to be prime minister if you give your entire salary to
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charity then maybe i will looks angry he seems discomforted right he's you know he's out of
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sorts about this can't get a picture of him up yeah but again the press is asked the left is
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asking the wrong question and he's answering the wrong question it's it's all about the money the
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money is not the issue yes it's the procedure not being followed that's the issue but he's allowed
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them to make him sound petty and defensive and as soon as they can smell blood in the water
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that's all he gets non-stop all around and so he he has this reaction to uh sky news uh doorstepping
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him as he's coming out of a plane was it a mistake not to declare the gifts from george
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figures in this country. So the press in this country...
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And Dominic Cummings, for ages over the Covid period, when he had gone on a drive or something,
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they camped outside his house, they harassed his family, they were there at all hours making noise,
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And it wasn't just Dominic Cumming, it was his family, and it was all of the neighbours were massively put out of this.
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And they do this all the time, they do this to so many people.
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It is distasteful, but Nigel Farage is acting like he's the only politician in British history
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who the press have ever have ever been um you know doing this this sort of low tactics to
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and whilst i on one hand perfectly agree with him being harassed at home his family being harassed
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and all of that kind of stuff it's very very distasteful but that is british politics that's
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what happens and he is acting as if this is the first as if it only happens to him it's like no
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Nigel look you have to accept if you engage in British politics and this is why I don't run for
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parliament this is why you don't run for parliament because I don't I want to be able to drive off my
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bloody driveway and my kids to go to school without going through a press gaggle if you are going to
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engage in this this is the bargain that you make you have to accept it and he and and it goes back
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to his fundamental flaw he is brittle yes and he takes things far too personally and he and he does
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this with personality so if anybody is uh robert kilroy silk or gerald baton or stephen wolf or
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rupert lowe if anybody starts to look more popular than him the brittleness the ego comes out when
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the press hound him brittleness and the ego comes out it is a major flaw for somebody who is injecting
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themselves and and he could be the next prime minister so he's going to get it more than anyone
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else yes he's treated unfairly but i mean look at jeremy corbyn the way that he was treated when
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it looked like he would he had a decent shot of being the prime minister he was treated possibly
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even worse and so i have sympathy for him but it's within the remit of being a politician for
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a role that you have chosen to put yourself in and also it's not just that he's chosen to put
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himself in if this was his first day i might understand it nigel you were a veteran of this
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you spent 30 years courting the media and being controversial in order to get headlines and make
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your name so you become a nationally famous politician when you're on the verge of being
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prime minister that turns up to 11 and you know it does yes and so you can't say oh i was unprepared
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for this or something like that you you know exactly how this game is played so this is not a
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great surprise but the the problem that he has here is he as you say he's not the swashbuckling
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insurrectionist anymore no right he's not having fun he's not having fun he's now the he's now the
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man who's leading the polls yeah something to lose and they know he's got something to lose
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and so they've they've got him they've got a small thing but they've they've latched onto it like a
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little bulldog and they're not letting go and Nigel Farage is having trouble shaking them off
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and the more they've been pushing yeah more stress he's been getting it's very obvious that it's
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working because a lot of this a lot of this media circus is to get this kind of reaction so the
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person who handled it so i mean if like i say if i this is why i don't go into politics but if i
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had the the press on my garden trampling over my flowers and all the rest of it i would be pissed
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off and i'd want to give that reaction actually the correct reaction was what boris johnson yes
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we bring them out the tea yes and just doesn't take them seriously he went out in his shorts in
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his rugby shirt he gave him a cup of tea he politely he didn't talk politics but he was like
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polite and amiable and they got bored and they left him alone whereas he gives them exactly
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it honestly it is like primary school if you give the bullies the reaction they want they will do
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it more yeah and and so this is something that like essentially kind of blew up in his face
00:26:23.280
i mean the the media attack seems to have been having an effect as well right so his um approval
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ratings have been going down as you can see the dissatisfied uh percentage here has been going up
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and there's a you can see this in the last month or so that tick upwards because the media have
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been attacking him on a on a flank that he's vulnerable on which is that 30 35 percent uh you
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know envious communists who are just like how dare you make money and Nigel Farage not being
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able to bat it away yeah and and I honestly think that he his reaction to it is making so much
00:26:54.580
because if it was old Nigel he would have had a laugh yeah yeah he would have said I'm not talking
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to you outside my house but come down the pub he'd be there with his pint I'll buy you the pint yeah
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he'd be laughing and joking with them and and and the image of the normie who doesn't watch
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much tv would be oh good old nigel down the pub having a pint again instead they see him
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in the clip you just saw i mean nigel the old nigel right i reckon he would have done exactly
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that taking the media down the pub and then just bought the entire pub around yes right yeah i got
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five million pounds i'm gonna buy everyone around everyone like yeah nigel's buying around yes that
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would have been great optics and then when they drink it they say well you're drinking some of
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that five million so what are you talking about exactly you know but the loss of aura has been
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noted yes the new statesman have realized and we're not the only ones to have observed this
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obviously but it's it's become clear that as you said nigel's not having fun he's not his old
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swashbuckling self that he used to be and he actually has something to lose here and it really
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does seem that this is kind of locked in now um nigel has been floating around 25 for a while now
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because i mean the the burnham bump didn't really pay off there did it you can you can see there is
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a bump of about three points two or three points which is not terribly impressive i don't think
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we'll ask for labor but yeah they've got a bump yeah yeah um we'll talk uh why andy about andy
00:28:13.600
burnham in the next one i think he's not going anywhere for a while yeah yeah um so and even
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trump has come out in defense of farage yeah saying look they're running the 2024 anti-trump
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playbook so what this has done is built up actually a surprising amount of pressure on
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Nigel Farage. Nigel Farage feels like he has, like, an open wound that is bleeding, and his
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polls are going down, and they have been for a while, and his personal approval rating has gone
00:28:40.160
down specifically because of this recently. And so this is something that is genuinely worrying
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for him. And this is why the pressure has been building, and he has been kind of losing it.
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This is why he's snapping at the press. And so what he needs is that kind of Trumpian reversal.
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he needs to be able to judo flip the entire political establishment bombastic move exactly
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and so he put out i'll make a statement on my future in public life at 2 p.m yes oh okay that's
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that's yeah is he resigning what's going on well that's what everyone thought right people thought
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oh he's gonna quit he's gonna quit and sky news uh covered it and so you know all the media start
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covering it and of course sky news are deeply bound up in this because they're the ones harassing
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i mean like his his objection about the you leave my family alone is because they went to his
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daughter's house and they they claimed they hadn't contacted her so okay but you did go to a house
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though didn't you you know i would say that is contacting someone actually british press are
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scum i'm not gonna make any any bones about that they're just scum they're just scum yes but the
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point is you can feel okay a big event's coming and you know the press were hoping oh god let's
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hope he resigns we get a scalp right yeah that's what they want i i think the the british left
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should be very and i'll come on to explain why in a bit yeah but the british left should be very
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cautious about him quitting because it opens a lot of doors if he does yes to write reunification
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yeah yeah a lot of things change if Nigel Farage does but the point is you can feel the press want
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their scalp they know what they're doing they're trying to bully him out of public life on on
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something that he's actually kind of vulnerable on yes um and so they've been putting up the
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pressure making I mean Nigel Farage puts one tweet out and they're like yeah everyone guys
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oh something's going to happen and so Nigel Farage puts out a statement in which he says
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that i'm going to resign to trigger a by-election in fact here's here's the uh the statement itself
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and we'll just watch this uh for a little bit just to see the attitude that he has i've done
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nothing wrong i've thought about it hard and i've decided today today i will resign as a member of
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parliament for clacton on sea thereby forcing a by-election which should happen i hope in short
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order. Now, I've decided that the people of Clacton should be the judges of my actions.
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This will be a people versus the establishment by-election. It's a chance to stick two fingers
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up to the entire establishment, to frankly tell them where to go. And that is why I will
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be putting my name forward to stand in this by-election. I will fight to win. I will fight
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to continue the political revolution that reform has started and i would say this to you the voters
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of clacton if i win you win because if i lose they win and we will never with the two old parties
00:31:31.720
get the type of fundamental change that we need to fix broken britain now that is actually the
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whole thing it's a it's a long 20 minute video um where he actually hits on a series of points
00:31:45.420
that are actually really good points yeah it's actually a very strong video uh you say you know
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beginning says i've done nothing wrong i've not broken the law i have not misused public money
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i've got zero expenses making money is not a crime i feel like i'm living in a communist country
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all great points i mean i was going to call this soviet britain when i originally drew it up right
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because that's genuinely how um how the the establishment are acting at this point you know
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i would call it nigel rage quits possibly but they're playing on the lowest possible impulses
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in the british so yes which is that envy of why has he got more than me you know it's disgusting
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um and so this this is bold very very bold move because you the thing is nigel clearly feels like
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his back's against the wall and so he's like right okay i've got to play essentially my trump card
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here my nuclear option which is if i resign call an election in clangton i'm probably going to win
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that election in clangton and so that essentially settles all let me quickly explain why why that is
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okay because i think he probably did break the parliamentary rules it's yet to be decided but
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it does look like that he should have declared all that kind of stuff okay so what does that mean
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that means parliamentary standards look into it um and then they produce their conclusions that
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goes off to a committee and they can censor him and the way that they would probably censor him
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is suspending him from parliament for a period of time yeah now if they suspend him for 10 days
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or longer so they probably would suspend him for 10 days that automatically triggers a recall in
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his election in his constituency where he would have to fight a by-election against everybody
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else so he was looking at this and thinking okay i'm about to be kicked off the server
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if i rage quit now i can crash the lobby and then we'll be starting a new lobby on my terms on my
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choosing on my narrative and and the reason why at the first blush that looked like a very clever move
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is because let's say he had a by-election and everybody contested it and he won and he secured
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his mandate if parliamentary standards then a couple of months later says okay you need to do
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a by-election and he's like well i literally just won one yeah it makes them look ridiculous it
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completely disarms their process he takes all of the power away from his critics turns it to himself
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puts it on clacton and if that's how it went that would have been a brilliant political move
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pause there right so yeah you you are right but i don't want to get ahead of ourselves yes so
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yes in in the abstract this seems actually and we thought initially oh this is actually a very
00:34:18.360
smart political move um not only are you presaging all of those things as you said um but what he's
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done here has very aggressively captured the frame yes he said no look to the to the people
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in clacton who voted for me um i've i've decided that i'm going to follow the andy burnham playbook
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now i actually didn't get the link up for this but andy burnham didn't ask me anything on reddit
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where kemi bay knocked over why aren't you calling a general election andy he said well the people
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of makerfield have just endorsed me therefore i have a democratic mandate now i don't live in
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makerfield i wouldn't have voted for andy burnham yes why the hell should that override my ability
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is actually legitimate because of the win in Maker Fiat.
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Nevertheless, if the establishment has accepted
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that winning a by-election is legitimising enough
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to be Prime Minister, it is clearly also legitimising enough
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You can say, well, I've won this by-election in Clacton.
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exactly the people of clacton decided so it's not really your business you know that's how i get to
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this position in the first place yeah so regardless and it disarms parliamentary standards things
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because they look absurd if they force another by-election yeah exactly and nigel forrest can
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at least point to a segment of the public that doesn't care about the money issue because clacton
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is disproportionately boomers um yes it is who agree with him on this and so he can just be like
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no i don't it doesn't matter don't care and so he would have a good defense against the media yeah
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But the point is, in the abstract, on the surface,
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this actually does seem like a clever political move
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But it's also a very, very defensive manoeuvre.
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They're going to try and push them into the sea.
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and play my last card to keep myself in the game.
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this actually comes from a position of profound weakness on farage's part he's not taking enemy
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territory right he's desperately trying to hold on to his own capital yes but i i clumsily stretched
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for the julius caesar analogy he once was in a very inferior position i think it was pharsalus
00:36:30.240
or something like that yes and and he positioned basically his troops with a back to the sea so
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all of his troops knew that if they don't win they're all going to die and they fought against
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superior army uh he was the other roman guy that he was up against it was battle of pharsalus yeah
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yes yeah pompey the great pompey yeah that was it pompey had a much larger army but yeah so he
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played a weak hand well and um you know if as long as the uh all the other parties played along as
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long as long as things were as you expected them to be yes this is a great maneuver right yes and
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so um so for example these are the sort of projections that were coming out immediately
00:37:08.220
afterwards right yes yeah Nigel Farage I mean in 2024 he won 46 percent likely they'd win 48 percent
00:37:15.140
if conservatives won they'd probably get about 20 percent restore will get about 12 percent the left
00:37:20.000
doesn't really exist in Clacton at least to significant numbers uh yeah this you know that
00:37:26.660
looks reasonably um and we come on to this in a minute but you know restore would have had a good
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result there they they would they would then have the narrative well we went from zero to seven
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to 12 that that's a lovely narrative for them if they're willing to participate in circus show
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sure but what was interesting is restore the first people to say yeah no we're not going to do that
00:37:50.020
actually um there if i mean if farage wins which he is likely to do of course then there will be a
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second by election so we're going to participate in that we're not going to participate in farage's
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little political stunt I mean again credit credit I mean this there is a reason we like Rupert oh
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yeah his political instincts are top-notch here he saw through the the trap being set by Farage
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yes effortlessly now we were both a bit concerned because yesterday evening I wasn't clear we didn't
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know well my my advice to restore that we sort of back-challenging as I was saying one don't run
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two if you do run for god's sakes put up your best media performance like a media performer
00:38:32.280
like a charlie downs or something and just use it as a national stage to put your issues and your
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advice was was plain simply it was just don't run yeah but it turns out that he he got there all by
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himself right just as quickly so yeah exactly so um but very sensible and and because this
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what farage is doing here is he's turning this into a story right he's turning this into the
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same story that andy burnham used in makerfield because andy burnham went to the people of
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makerfield and said look this is a pact between me and you to go against the establishment of
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the labor party and i'll be your man to overthrow the establishment in labor and bring labor back
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to caring about the people of manchester and makerfield restoring the labor party to what
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it should have been nigel frage is making that same argument to the people it's not quite as
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bad as saddam hussein's um presidential um referendum where they said would you would
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you like to back saddam is saying or have your family tortured to death and 98 percent of people
00:39:27.340
went with it but but it but nevertheless it would have been a strong mandate all the same sure but
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it's the same it's the same narrative and this narrative is a strong narrative actually what
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he's doing in this is making the people of clacton the protagonists of the election right what he's
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saying is i've decided the people of clacton should be the judges of my actions and therefore
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this will be a people versus the establishment by election i'm on the side of the people the
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establishment are the ones who are constantly snipping at me and trying to overthrow me
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through foul means not through elect democratically uh justified means so the people of clacton become
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the protagonists and that's a that's a powerful narrative to get sucked into this exactly the
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same narrative that burnham used to make you are the protagonists now of politics this this is the
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first 30 seconds of an elmer fudd cartoon where he's pointing his shotgun at wiley coyote um and
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he's about to pull the trigger and as long as somebody doesn't flip that barrel around
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you know he's won well anyway yes like i said this power i don't appreciate it too much but the
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powerful narrative and so it makes sense to not try and intercede in that narrative if you're not
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already involved in that narrative it's gonna be very difficult to say actually you shouldn't be
00:40:37.820
the protagonist of well again to reach another clumsy military analysis um if the enemy general
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says i want to fight at this time on this battlefield it's probably wise not to participate
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yes yes yeah yeah that's exactly it don't let the enemy choose the grounds of the battle yes
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um but the so it's it's it's very difficult to incede in what is already a dialectic that is
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happening the media have been attacking him on these grounds farage is responding on these grounds
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i don't even know what argument you'd have to make to come in and kind of overturn this whole
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dialect because this is the thing that the story that everyone's focused on and farage is playing
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into the story and instead of having to wait to september for the parliamentary um standards
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thing to come to their conclusion he neutralizes it here and now done and dusted not not my problem
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not getting involved right so very smart and then that started a bit of a uh a cascade effect
00:41:30.100
because all of the other parties realized oh actually we don't have to participate either
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yes kemi so so rupert got there very very quickly yes kemi then realized oh hang on
00:41:40.440
then labor realized then the lip dems realized and the greens had said oh no we will but then
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they vacillated they they u-turned they said they're the dumbest of all of them yes they are
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uh but then they oh no actually we see what everyone's doing here we'll yeah they figured
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it out and that left uh zia yusuf and richard tice going oh they're they're just cowards they
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don't think they'd have a chance they're chickens it's like no actually they're just walking into
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a trap exactly everyone's seen the trap that you've laid and rupert low being the the smartest
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of them obviously uh showed the way where it was like actually if you don't engage in this game
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then barrage is playing the game on his own and it okay he wants to make turkeys of the loss of you
00:42:23.600
well you know what if what if there's only one candidate outside of those come of the hour
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come of the bin yeah so count bin face did declare himself now count bin face for anyone who doesn't
00:42:40.180
know uh is a joke candidate in the long and hallowed tradition of the british public
00:42:45.460
fielding joke candidates in their elections uh they usually get about 100 votes and nobody cares
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you know the like you but the joke the joke is the persistence and he keeps doing it election
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after he normally runs against the party leader so he ran in makerfield he did and he just keep
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stood on the stage next to andy burnham andy burnham was in every election for the last
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whatever it is 10 years now you have to look at the site of your new prime minister giving his
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acceptance speech next to a man wearing a costume of a bin yes and this this actually flips the
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narrative completely because now instead of nigel farage versus the establishment yeah he is the
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establishment of clangton he is the joke versus the jester right so now it's the king versus the
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jester as okay nigel this was actually like you you have actually been uno reversed by the
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establishment here because you assumed that an election was something everyone would want to
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pile into and you could win on a level playing field of them all trying to unseat you'd be able
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to win but if actually they're like no we um we refuse to fight you on this and you're just left
00:43:58.360
there fighting with a an actual joke candidate you also become a joke candidate and and there's
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no way for him to win now if if the other party stick to this he can't win because okay what
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happens now let's say he gets 90 of the vote and he says this is a great victory everybody's going
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to say yeah you've got 90 against a bin yeah and that makes him look like a joke right what if he
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gets 55 percent like um you nearly lost to camp in face yes what if he loses to camp in face so
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let's say you get 85 55 like andy burnham did in makerfield he you know what does that look like
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okay yeah you won but you if you'd won 55 against everybody else or even just one of them if even
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just the tories or the store or whoever had stood against him a sensible and he got 55 he could say
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yeah i've won i've got my mandate but if you get 55 against a bin it's like why did you only get
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55 percent against a pin but also it doesn't matter because you were you were literally
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fighting against a comedian yes but you were literally fighting against the comedy character
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who goes there just to make it there was no way to not look absurd right and and it gets worse
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than that right what if he doesn't get 50 against one other candidate who's a pin well that's that's
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we'll come okay i mean i'll run my numbers when it comes to this but it is but the funny exactly
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so the the very the very nature of what he was trying to achieve here to i'll win my mandate back
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is now not possible no because there's no one to win two you know there's no opponent he can
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overcome to win the mandate because any any you know he can win by 95 or whatever yes it doesn't
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matter it doesn't matter it was count bin face no you were running unopposed apart from the joke
00:45:37.960
candidate which you're now taking pride in having beaten like there's no win here now so actually
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it's a bit if you come in in the morning and and you're really impressed and say i beat my children
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an arm wrestling competition it doesn't matter how much you beat them by i am not going to be
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impressed by that nailed it he my son just couldn't you know exactly that's exactly what's
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happening here right yes so no matter what happens the victory has been stolen from farage and the
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mandate that he would recover cannot now be recovered but now he is also in for a month or so
00:46:07.400
of campaigning in his own constituency for a by-election he called against nobody of any
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importance and and this and there's so many layers to the hell that reform is now in yes the level
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one is they're running running against a bin and even if they win they don't win right the level
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two of hell right is because faraj won last time not with an absolute majority he won with 46 percent
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of the vote it's actually possible if everybody else votes for the bin that the bin wins so he
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has to take this election serious really serious he has to take a joke election seriously he has
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to mobilize all of the activists yeah he has to say to all of the the form candidates yeah if you
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want to be a candidate at the next election you have to turn up and clap they have to take a joke
00:46:57.260
election seriously right and then the third layer of hell for reform right is that because this
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doesn't look like a serious election even though he has to take it seriously and his activist has
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to take it seriously and his whole party has to take it seriously there is nothing to stop the
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parliamentary standards thing saying yeah you did break the rules 10 day suspension and then they
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have another election right so he has to march all of his reformed voters up the hill to vote
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for him against a candidate activate activating all the all the activists and then he has to do
00:47:28.300
it all over again and also a fourth layer is no one else has to take it seriously so he in his
00:47:34.960
little bubble is taking this deeply seriously but we're all just going to be laughing at him
00:47:39.080
yes he's going to be in the middle of the arena of politics with everyone just laughing at him
00:47:42.700
yes so you've made yourself a national this is a national humiliation ritual he now has to turn
00:47:48.140
out his voters and his activists twice yes once for the joke election which he cannot afford to
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not take seriously because he has to because he doesn't have okay against a normal election he
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wins yeah the second election he probably doesn't have to right no the second election is actually
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easy but he still has to take that one seriously right because he's he's activated everybody for
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a joke he has to he has to beg the voters please actually turn up please actually go i know i'm
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running against a bin but please actually go to the polling because if you all assume that i'm
00:48:21.640
going to win and everybody else and everybody else's and and the british public will do this
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right so a few years ago um the government put up a they were going to name a boat yes they were
00:48:32.740
going to put up name a boat an arctic um explorer or something like that and they put up various
00:48:37.120
sensible names and somebody put up boaty mcboat face everyone's like that's my name and it won
00:48:42.420
by a bloody mile so the british public love a joke when they see one they love to be able to
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I had people, because obviously we're associated with Restore,
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the amount of people who were quote-tweeting me,
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and you as well, over the past few months with Makerfield,
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There's this one guy, Jack something, he's come on here in the past.
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yeah before two weeks ago it was you know there's something wrong with you if you don't stand down
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and now it's there's something wrong with you don't stand i don't want to split the vote yes
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we don't want to split we don't want to split the vote we're giving it all to an idol you know
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against a bin and and and and the hilarity of the the mental contusions well this is the reforms
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are going to have to go through now this is going to be the most exciting campaign i've seen because
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i mean imagine imagine the hustings right niger farage and count bin face but the thing is okay
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we just have to make a field question time do we get the clients in question time with niger and
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ben and fiona bruce yes like do we get that like the whole thing becomes entirely farcical and
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there's no way for him to not look absolutely absurd exactly the whole thing becomes a national
00:50:38.940
ritual humiliation before the entire nation and he brought it upon himself because he made a mistake
00:50:45.440
ages ago and just didn't cop to it right that's what this comes down to once again nigel frange
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has made a rod for his own back yes and is literally going to embarrass himself publicly
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the thing the second thing though is that the media is going to make a national celebrity out
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of count bimface yes right now just to be clear i think count bimface is a kind of political
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equivalent of led by donkeys right everything he says is completely within the the starmerite
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frame of politics he's not going to say anything does he does he talk about normal politics much
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i've only ever heard him oh he makes jokes oh i will build one social house or something you know
00:51:25.000
i'm going to nationalize a dell it's it's it's frivolous trivial like led by donkey style humor
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yeah it's just like okay liz truss or a lettuce you know it's that kind of yeah i i would say
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serious political advice because we are now in the world where we have to take this serious but
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if count bin face if you're watching my serious political advice is do not ever step outside of
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the joke yeah don't make any do never make any real world political statements because what you
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need to be is you need to be the tasteless burger in the burger in the mcdonald's burger that is
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non-offensive to everybody who doesn't want to vote for nigel farage there's there's actually
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a way that you can make this worse for nigel farage oh go on then you could actually lean into
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nigel farage's perceived corruption you could say yeah i don't think bin face could do that
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well well i mean yes i suppose he could yeah you could say no i'm gonna make it so that nigel
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farage can take unlimited amounts of donations from anyone anywhere in the world with no scrutiny
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with no scrutiny at all because what's nigel farage is then gonna happen well no i want to
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be scrutinized please good and then so now he's going back on his own narrative of i've done
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nothing wrong you should stop asking it's a no-win scenario exactly like farage is actually in a
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trap that's closing in on himself and it's just like if bin face just then goes to the other side
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yeah you set your own trap nigel but bin face could actually go to the other side and just
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start saying no no nigel farage deserves all this money deserve no scrutiny this election shouldn't
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even be happening because he's done nothing wrong blah blah and then nigel farage has to basically
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argue against his own case and it's just like oh my god okay well like what you know so like you
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said don't step out of the joke but that could be included in the joke right yeah that's not a
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serious yes uh position that anyone would adopt um and you can see he's already going on tv
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they're already making a national celebrity of him and you remember this from makerfield where he um
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walked up to the guy and the guy um oh my goodness
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right a man with a bin on his head right that's the right response ha ha ha look at this prat
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with the bin on his face right and you know he's just wondering yeah yeah joke candidate so you
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take it i mean this this host actually didn't take him in as good a humor as he should have done
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he should have just indulged the joke you know and be like right okay so you're an intergalactic
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politician so this reporter was worried about being made to look silly yes stood next to a man
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with a bin on his head yes if the reporter is thinking that over a 30 second clip in a in an
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election where he's getting zero votes he got like 100 votes and it doesn't matter at all yes
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we're not standarding it and then all their proxies will say vote bin face and okay and and
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this is this is where it gets bad right so so nigel farage's constituency clacton has about
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90 000 people in it 80 000 so 78 000 no i think that no no it's about 90 000 people 78 000 are
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registered to vote oh well yeah okay yes yeah right so so 90 000 people 78 000 registered to vote
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45 000 actually vote we'll get to the numbers okay because i want to i want to i want to bring
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this out a bit more because i mean this from the day so the daily star is a very low brow low
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quality paper left-wing paper in britain so you can see what they're like oh yeah vote bin face
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haha we think that the 2024 election is embarrassing and cringe right okay yeah fine
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that's that's what joke candidates are for when you want to say i don't really want to participate
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Have they got his policies at the bottom there?
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National service for PMs, water chiefs to swim in UK waters,
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I mean, to be honest with you, I think they're all good ideas.
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So far, I haven't seen any politics from them I don't like.
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I quite like the nationalisation of Adele as well.
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I quite liked Adele, but I liked Adele when she was fat.
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but um anyway so the point being it then makes everyone involved look ridiculous and so what's
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this this is great from bbc breakfast you know if i get the 10 nominations because hey look
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there's no guarantee i'm standing for the election as i'm sure you know i'm i'm game but i have to get
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the signatures from 10 local inhabitants otherwise this is a this is a non-starter and then of course
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I will tailor my manifesto to the local area as always.
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Building at least one affordable house, nationalising Adele,
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bring back CFAX and, of course, moving the hand dryer in the gents' toilet
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in the Crown and Treaty pub Oxbridge to a more sensible position
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Those policies didn't go down too well, did they,
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I believe you got 95 votes at the recent by-election.
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which I scored against Boris in an Oxbridge sports hall in 2019.
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mean? I mean, what more do you want? What do you say to those other parties who have decided not
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to field candidates in Clacton? Well, I mean, that's for them, isn't it, mate? That's democracy.
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They can choose to run away from my beneficence and magnificence. Or maybe they just noticed that
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Nigel is up to a rather peculiar hissy fit, and they're keeping their powder dry for a second
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by election when of course the uh parliamentary committee reports but uh interestingly you see
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the thing is that second election which would cost 380 grand will only happen if nigel wins
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this one so if you vote bin face you save the british taxpayer 380 000 pounds without me doing
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anything that's a positive campaign yeah and if there's one thing that reform have not been able
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to run so far it's a positive it's you know me versus the establishment that's still a negative
00:58:08.760
campaign and the funniest thing about this is like i love like it it makes everyone involved
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look ridiculous right where's her poe face look at like serious perfect like what are you doing
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woman because because she has to take it seriously just like frat is gonna have to take it seriously
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exactly everyone involved is humiliated in public and he just gets to be a prat because he's a
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jester he's a comedian and all credit to him that is the most credible um policy for saving money
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that i have ever heard from a british politician he actually will save 300 grand it like it's it's
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actually like there's something positive to the campaign it's kind of it's genuinely hilarious
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right genuinely hilarious uh and so he's gonna get pumped by the media i mean they've already
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done it this was gonna get pumped by absolutely everybody yeah but apart from reform but well
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apart from reform but exactly but that's because nigel has got enemies everywhere right no one
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wants to come out on nigel's side because well you've been a dick to everyone i think you've
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shown the polling in the past that he's i know you saw it earlier today yeah um the the dissatisfaction
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is like twice as 69 now yeah yeah and and that will be different in galacton but sure but anyway
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the the media has already done this i mean this was from the makefield count where like you know
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they just sort of gas it up it's like ah isn't this funny viewers declare the bonkers interview
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the greatest two minutes of television ever but yeah okay so the the question is then well
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could bin face bin face win and the answer is there is a non-zero chance of this now just to
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be clear i'm sure nigel farage will win right i'm sure he'll win so i i put money on bin face i put
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20 quid of course you face at 11 to 1 and i feel that 11 to 1 is fair i wouldn't have put money on
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at say 6 to 1 but 11 to 1 feels about right so obviously i think nigel farage will win because
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yes everyone assumes nigel farage will beat count bimface yes but but you've got to remember
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that if there's no conservative no labor no liberal democrat green what you're looking at
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there is about 25 000 votes for people who probably don't like nigel farage because they
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have the opportunity to vote for him and they didn't and quick and i'll just run the maths
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25 000 is bigger than 21 000 yeah and i mean i quickly run through the numbers i sort of started
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on in the wrong place flackton 90 000 people 78 000 registered voters 45 000 of them actually
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voted 58 turnout just on that the general election in 2024 was a 59 average turnout
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so actually this was below average nigel forest didn't turn out new voters yes so there's still
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40 of them who are just not bothering so 78 000 voters 45 000 actually voted 21 000 voted nigel
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farage now what happens if nobody else is running now ashcroft polling has done this and they've
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looked and we talked about it in a previous um version of this political chat the most favorable
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to reform outside of reform is restore where 19 of them would consider voting reform if there
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wasn't a restored candidate but that is the peak yeah very few labor lib dems greens and
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independents um would vote for reform if there wasn't their preferred candidate and actually
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the worst one is is the conservatives the people who are still voting conservatives
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are incredibly unlikely to switch to reform if there isn't a conservative that's already happened
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a lot of reforms um body is ex-conservative you're still a conservative today it's because
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you don't like nigel you really don't like reform you really don't like nigel farage
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so even if even if the left the left's penchant for tactical voting yes is okay so if if if these
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people then say well i just don't like nigel farage i'll vote for whoever the other guy yes
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it's not off the table no so my point is right of those 45 000 voters of the 25 000 who voted
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for somebody else you need at least 10 to flip over to Nigel Farage right and then not only do
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you need 10 to flip over to Nigel Farage you need every single person who voted for him at the last
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election to also turn out for a joke election and you need none of those other 78,000 of the 78,000
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minus 45 you know the gap between that sort of 35,000 yeah you you need none of them to think
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this is funny yes i'm going to turn up and vote against him and you also need everybody who voted
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for you before not to think oh this is in the bag it's a joke election i'll vote in the next one
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and turn up which gets you to the point where okay this is and it's dangerous to make predictions
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of course ahead of elections because it will all because you don't know what's going to happen you
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don't know what's going to happen right you've got you've got such imperfect information and it's one
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of those things where it will it will look up whatever happens it will look obvious after the
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event okay like it looks obvious now okay yeah andy burnham is going to win makerfield because
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it's always voted labour right so we don't but honestly right now we have no idea what's going
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to happen i assume farage is going to but it's not a wild scenario to say that of those 21 000
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reform voters um i don't know a third can't be bothered to turn up for this yeah and it's not
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and we're going to give him a kick in and we're going
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go up because they think it's. So which brings
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obviously he's off the political map but reform itself becomes a joke and also also you're not
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good at winning by-elections yes reform is not good at winning by-elections so like we're gonna
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call a by-election it's like uh i don't know if you want to do that lads you know like you you are
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not experts at these by-elections yes you've failed every single one and now this is your
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capital city this is your this is niger farage's stronghold his fortress and and yeah exactly and
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also if you lose the humiliation will be such that it's over for reform oh yes just over for
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the entire party no like we're just gonna vote for count bim face party this is a torpedo
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under the water line just no problem whatsoever the the risk here is monumental well like i said
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i'm sure ferrars will win yes i'm sure that it won't go in the potential way that as you know
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like i say i i'm happy with my 11 to 1 but put it this way right if i was handed a revolver
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with with you know 12 12 holes in the uh in the chamber and one bullet in it i would not play
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russian roulette no even though i expect to be absolutely fine even if that shut everyone up
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is whining at me yes even to shut up the even to stop them trampling my flowers and turning up
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my properties and stuff i would still not put a bullet to my head with a one in 12 chance of
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blowing my brains out because blowing my brains out is a really bad thing yes and that's what
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he's done and this this would be such an ignoble end to nigel farage's career as well and honestly
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he doesn't deserve it because i i love the man for giving us brexit i think i think he should
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be made a life peer and a good peer i'm talking about like a dukedom or an earldom or something
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nobody likes the way the press behaves in this country
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and okay I say this I'm not advocating for this I'm not pushing this but at some point the left
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is going to coalesce yes and at some point the right is going to have to coalesce that that
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narrative about the right unifying for us is the blockage that's I don't think it should happen
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before the election I don't think it should happen for a good time I would like to for it to happen
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under our terms the nativists I want it to happen under our term but nevertheless if you are going
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to concede that a unification of the right is going to happen at some point in the future
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well you then have to consider okay what about next week then for example what would it look
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like if it happened next week and it can't happen with Nigel Farage because of he is so brittle and
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egomaniac that he's got so much personal eminently it can't happen so let's say he goes off to
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America and becomes a chat show host um could I don't know what would happen before maybe
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let's say robert jenry were to come in it would be difficult between him and kemi to tie up um
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it might be less difficult for um rupert i like i say i don't want any of this to happen because i
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want it to happen on our terms much further down the line but actually it's not wildly impossible
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it's it's it's a non-zero probability to use that term that with now nigel frage in the frame
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that the right could coalesce i don't know what that deal would look like and i'm not advocating
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to be absolutely clear before anyone tries to clip me on this i'm not advocating for it but
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it could actually happen so what the left have done here by forcing this situation
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there is a there is a version of the future where it comes back to bite them massively yes
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there is a version of the future where basically they expel farage from british politics
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yes and clear the ground and he was and he's the number one blocker to a right reunion
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absolutely and the i mean it literally is the argument well nigel farage is already here
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therefore don't split the vote well if nigel farage disappears there's no argument against restore
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and the conservatives are incredibly weak to the restore argument because they're the ones who've
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caused all the problems i mean this is why nigel farage initially in 2024 said i'm not taking any
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tory poison in my party because it was clear that he'd be able to storm steamroll them as well yes
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but um but yeah things have shaken out poorly for him i guess that that i mean my my version of
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uniting the right would be the restore you know start leading in the polls and there's a tiny
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rump of reform and conservatives and at that point it's like okay well yeah you can come in
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and sit in the back room or something something like that sure but uh anyway so this is what it
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comes down to the battle of clangton um and i mean honestly he's using the ukip colors yeah yeah
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it's using the ukip colors yeah uh but the thing is right there's there's no there's no real win
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condition for farage as we said no but also remember like you were saying oh it's it's you
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know i i'm sure it's i'm sure farage is going to win right but there's going to be like a month
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long national media campaign where all of the media circus is focused on this people you know
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the media is going to go to clackton and few people you know who you're voting for farage
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or bin face blah blah blah right and they'll make bin face a national celebrity and it'll become a
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kind of cause de celeb it'll become a fun like national project to oh let's let's get bin face
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into parliament right that and so actually turning out that disaffected 40 and the labor
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tory and greens and whatever proportion of the non-voters decide to get exactly because they
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think it's funny exactly right so you've got the proportion of those people who vote for the non
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reform parties and the 40 who don't vote and you're doing it because we all hate nigel farage
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well yeah two-thirds of the people in this country do hate nigel farage and it's been that's bigger
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than one third and that's way bigger than one third yeah and if it's all focused on the one
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joke candidate because no no one has to take responsibility for bin face it's like no no we
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just hate you and we're just doing this for fun like it doesn't impact anything it's not going
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to determine the prime minister well it might determine a future prime minister but it's not
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going to like ruin the country now i think i think i heard lozza fox considering running
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that is the wrong move you're not you're going to get beaten by count bin face mate don't bother
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like let let bin face deal with farage yes because at the end of the day at the very best
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until the next bi-lection. And if you're Loza Fox's
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Farage versus Ben. And one more thing I'll pick up on
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That's my point. He can't assume that. And the example I'm going to use is 1997, Michael Portillo.
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So Michael Portillo was expected to become Tory leader after the 1997 general election.
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He was in a safe conservative seat. And it was so safe that he said to all of his activists,
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there's literally no point campaigning for me. Go to the neighbouring constituencies and campaign for them.
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And then on the night of the 1997 general election, he lost his seat.
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so and and and basically that sent you remember do you remember watching the footage i went back
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yes watch his face yes and he was on tv oh for anybody who is a sufficient political nerd of a
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sufficient age that is seared into your memory right portillo seems like a decent chap as well
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i like portillo oh yeah i can i campaigned i went on his um leadership campaign when he did
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ultimately get back in the one he had on barton street um but my point is it has been seared into
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the brain of all politicos it doesn't matter if you think you're going to win you give it your
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all otherwise you get portilloed and the and as we've done on the maths here it's not absurd that
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bin face does win just because we think farage is going to win it's not absurd that he doesn't
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but the harder he pushes it the more seriously he looks exactly and the more funny it is to
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actually help bin face win rather than reform and so anyway all i'm saying is right well
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this is this is a problem of nigel farage's own making he thought he was going to judo flip the
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entire political establishment set a trap and he forgot to get out of it yeah he set a trap for
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himself that he is now within and if it is literally just him and bin face that's probably
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the worst of all possible outcomes that he has decided for himself so at least it's going to be