00:36:52.900this is from another friend i know in the police but when he was going through his training
00:36:56.120that was when i first found out that sikhs could carry daggers he told me about it then another
00:37:00.800thing that always stuck in my mind is he was told that if he knocks on a um a muslim household
00:37:07.180and clearly they're an observant muslim family and the wife comes to the door
00:37:11.180he was instructed to basically ignore her entirely other than to ask if the man of the house was home
00:37:18.040and that that is not the british way you know this this is this is the extent to which the
00:37:27.260police are pushed on this just just before we uh came in to record this i didn't have time to add
00:37:31.540it but i saw chris philp in parliament saying that the police had express instructions handed
00:37:36.880down from the commission on policing or whoever it was college of policing um to treat different
00:37:43.180races differently yes and so they very much are this this is very clearly a part of the policing
00:37:48.800in this country yeah um and this attitude goes everywhere i mean one the judge when sentencing
00:37:57.520digua condemned him for stirring up racial tensions as if this is the real problem yes
00:38:03.900now well it is from his point of view exactly from the system's point of view this is the problem
00:38:09.280how you you have caused a problem that is triggering a hostile response from the native
00:38:17.280white british community that we are here to protect you from and so you are you are in some
00:38:25.300way a traitor to the system that privileges you yes is the condemnation here there's also another
00:38:30.700quote from the judge that um i saw from vox populi quote speaking in punjab you can confess the
00:38:37.940stabbing him three times you lied in your statement your your further statement you modified added
00:38:42.020more lies the jury rejects your defense so do i you have brought shame to your family and community
00:38:46.500you have increased racial tension right now again like i said on the podcast the other day this you
00:38:52.300lied to us right there was an implicit pact between the state and the minority we will protect you
00:38:58.920and you will protect us and your lies have left us exposed we they have an attack on us now that
00:39:06.660has made us vulnerable and so i'm angry at you for hurting us when we trusted you you have to
00:39:14.300wonder how much of the 21 years is for that and how much is for the murder you really do and the
00:39:20.100highest crime of increasing racial tension uh again bringing shame to your family and your
00:39:25.900community as if it's the british state's job to protect the dignity of the pride of the minorities
00:39:34.000but the the thing about the the increasing racial tension well what does that mean well the
00:39:38.640multicultural state wants everything to be frictionless it doesn't want any of the minority
00:39:43.940communities to have tensions and almost all of their mind all of their bandwidth goes towards
00:39:50.580making sure that the hindus don't aren't at war with the muslims the muslims aren't at war with
00:39:55.200the jews the jews aren't at war with whoever like and the sikhs and this they they want nothing but
00:40:01.100sadiq khan happy clappy multi-culting inclusion they don't want contradictions they don't want
00:40:08.420friction and that's dig was crime to them as well he increased racial tension and that allows the
00:40:16.340sikh community to say well hang on a second we're being demonized after the murder we are the real
00:40:21.440victims of this and i think it's worth addressing this right because i see a lot of people attacking
00:40:30.020the Sikh community and I feel that it's a bit of a red herring in a way right so there are only
00:40:36.040there are only half a million Sikhs living in Britain that's not very many right there are
00:40:41.900I mean even in India there are only two percent of the 1.7 percent of the population exactly so
00:40:46.140so they are very much a minority of Indians exactly there's only some 24 million of them
00:40:51.100and I don't think this was a structural systemic problem within the Sikh community right I actually
00:40:58.620do think that digua was himself a bit of a maniac and the family having a very high familial
00:41:07.300in preference clan preference which is obviously true went out of their way to lie and to protect
00:41:12.580him to try and invoke the mechanisms of the state but i don't think the sikh population is actually
00:41:17.720the problem that is being manifested here no what i mean let's clear up what the issue is
00:41:25.100i mean i don't want anyone to misconstrue what i'm saying here but there are certain peoples
00:41:30.920who the british generally have excellent relationships with yes and of the non-european
00:41:36.480races um it's it's basically the kurkas and the sikhs yes those are the two that we have a long
00:41:42.420history of military cooperation with if if the british empire in india a lot of the reason why
00:41:47.700they're able to do what they did is because the sikhs um basically formed a lot of our elite
00:41:52.000native um units there was one war between us but basically the sikh generals lay and tage whatever
00:41:58.940his name after we won that they basically joined us yeah well i mean a lot of a lot of a lot of
00:42:04.420sikhs would say that their own generals betrayed their own armies because they they found the idea
00:42:08.940of not being under british rule so inconceivable they they kind of betrayed their own armies
00:42:13.440um generally sikhs are well behaved um and i'd say along with the gurkhas they're probably the
00:42:20.700best of the non-european immigrants that's not the point the point is is that all of the non-native
00:42:28.520groups rank higher than the natives all of them get preferential treatment to the natives yes and
00:42:36.480that's and that's exactly that's exactly the point i wanted to talk about this is a structural issue
00:42:41.880in britain right that minorities are given preferences and privileges while the white
00:42:47.600majority are being oppressed by the state and so this person while I do actually agree with him
00:42:53.000that I don't think the Sikh community is more widely to blame they are still a beneficiary
00:43:00.100of these privileges yes and so when these privileges are laid so nakedly yes in front of
00:43:05.740everyone people react understandably say well the entire community is in some way separated
00:43:15.720and advanced over me and my community and i mean like like i said the sikhs are by far from the
00:43:22.260i mean the muslim community is way worse for this plain victim and and i will say in the
00:43:29.140sikhs benefit i've seen a number of them come out and express condemnation with this
00:43:32.780and i've seen more of that than i have in the last 30 years from muslims never see it i never see
00:43:40.080them coming out after the most horrific terrorist incident i never see them coming out to condemn
00:43:44.020it and and they are at least doing that yes and quite a few actually yes and so this this is why
00:43:49.480i'm not personally angry at the Sikh community and i think the um view that okay these guys have
00:43:56.000proven to be the problem is actually a bit misguided um if i mean don't worry i'm not saying
00:44:01.880i want millions of Sikhs here or anything like that i'm not saying that um Diggwa's family
00:44:07.340shouldn't be deported of course and we're not and we're not even saying that what we what we are
00:44:11.040proposing is the reform solution where you go to make a not make a field um gordon denton and you
00:44:18.640put half of your efforts into trying to recruit 300 seeks and then finding that actually only 15
00:44:24.520of them voted for you anyway yeah it's not that we all we're saying is is in in the whole stack
00:44:32.340of immigrants in this country they're actually one of the better ones yes but it doesn't matter
00:44:37.080that the point is that all of them sit above the natives but moreover um seek uh religion
00:44:42.980doesn't inform or validate the behavior of digwa now in in the case of say grooming gangs which
00:44:50.580we're going to get onto a little bit uh and the uh propensity of that community to close ranks
00:44:56.860and never disavow the guilty in that community and to have a widespread um
00:45:05.740uh like connection with the gangs in the community well the Sikhs are not like that
00:45:12.680no Sikh religion doesn't inform this and so like I said I'm not trying to be you know
00:45:16.780defender of the Sikhs or anything but well I mean actually the after young white British girls it
00:45:23.100was Sikh girls yeah targeted by the by the grooming gangs yeah and and the reason that stopped is
00:45:27.980because the Sikh community was allowed to push back yes and I've actually got an anecdote yes
00:45:33.140well I was in a pub a couple of years ago after a protest and I ended up
00:45:38.780talking to this Canadian guy who told me that a few years earlier well they have
00:45:42.500had some Sikh problems well he was in Britain right and he and a friend had a
00:45:46.820female friend had gone out and gotten drunk they were walking home I think it
00:45:49.580was in Bradford or somewhere like that and they walked down the wrong street
00:45:53.240and they were walking down the street and they realized that there were people
00:45:56.600who were coming to the doors and opening these doors and they realized they were
00:46:00.980in a muslim area they got to the end of this road and a group of sikhs came and surrounded them and
00:46:06.760escorted them out now like i said like i'm not here saying we need infinite numbers of sikhs or
00:46:12.900anything but i do think the sikhs generally are much more sympathetic towards the native british
00:46:18.620people than many of our other muslim immigrant groups bit of a freudian slip there cole bit of
00:46:25.480And I, as you say, I have seen many members of the prominent leaders in the Sikh community who have come out and condemned this.
00:46:33.020So I personally don't want to go attacking Sikhs over this.
00:46:35.920Even if they have a more clannish familial structure which caused Digwa and his family to clan together and try and take advantage of the system.
00:46:45.780I don't think that it is necessarily that all Sikhs are opposed to the British people in the way that other communities are.