'The British Need to Stand Up' ｜ Interview with Rupert Lowe
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Rupert Lowe MP, fresh from his Tucker Carlson interview, joins me to talk about his views on the current state of politics in the UK and America, and his thoughts on the Trump administration and its relationship with the far-right.
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Hi, folks. I have the pleasure of being joined by Rupert Lowe MP, who is fresh off of his Tucker
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Carlson interview. So that was pretty big. How did that come about? That was an interesting
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interview. I mean, I wouldn't say fresh, Carl. I've had a stinking cold. And as you can probably
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tell, hopefully my voice will last the course. I've got the lem sip in the cup here ready
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to hopefully resuscitate it. Yeah, they approached us, and I've always very much liked what Tucker
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Carlson does. So we met in London, in a hotel in London. Got to know him a bit. I thought
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he was a very nice chap. Yeah, he does all sorts of things I like doing, like fishing. He's
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a very keen fisherman. He's a keen shot. He's a countryman. So look, I liked him very much.
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And we did a straight off the cuff interview, no preparation, talking about a range of things.
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And I think America is deeply concerned about what's going on here. So, you know, and I told
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him and I appealed to him that we need help now from the USA. I mean, we need some proper
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logical thought from people who care about the Anglo-Saxon alliance and who want to see
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the libertarian fringe of the world unite and protect freedom and the way of life that we've
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all arguing and we now take for granted. So there's, I have a concern with this aspect and
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this angle, which is it allows the left to become xenophobic and claim patriotism. And I've already
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seen them trying to do this, saying the British right is wholly in hock to the American right and
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dependent upon them. And therefore we are in some way foreign. Whereas in fact, it's the left that
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is wholly dependent and in hock to the Europeans and who are actually trying to impose a foreign
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Well, I think what it is, it's the comparison really, isn't it, between a malign ideology,
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which I think all these left-wingers carry with them, the Fabianism, the Pabloism, you know,
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All of Blairism is far less tolerant than we are. You know, I don't mind having a decent debate with
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people even if they disagree with me. And I very much liked Tony Benn and I very much liked Peter
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Shaw and old Labour. I thought they were good people. They're very honest people, but they
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had a different opinion to me. I don't like Jeremy Corbyn's politics, but at least he's
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clear about what his politics are. You know, when you've got most of the Labour party being
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members of the Fabian society, whose sort of emblem is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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No, no, no. Rupert, I've got to correct you. It used to be a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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They realised it looked bad and they changed it a few years back. But yeah, no, that was
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They may have changed the emblem, but I don't think...
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The agenda has changed at all. So I despise those people. I despise Keir Starmer. I despise
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almost the entire front bench of the government. I think they're ill-equipped to be doing what
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they're doing. Whereas I think, you know, in Britain, in the old days, you had politicians
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whose interests were aligned with the British people. And they probably made a few quid
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out of it. And they probably positioned themselves and their families well. But actually, they
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delivered for the country. And I think you're seeing that a bit with Trump. So Trump has cut
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through all of it. I mean, he doesn't go into great detail. But he's got a sort of cunning
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way of summing it all up in a very simplistic way, which everybody can understand. And I think
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after years of what I call deceit, and I put the European Union in that, as you and I know,
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the EU's genesis was a post-war communist plan based on a monopoly, which was the European
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coal and steel community. And I think he's always been living a lie. And I think the Democrats were
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the same in the US. So I think it's refreshing to see. And I don't talk about myself being right
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wing. I talk about myself having some common sense. And so I talk about uniting those people
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who've got common sense. And that's, that's my, that's my plan. Now, I, you know, from everything
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I agree with that, I'm more worried about the strategy. Because I do think it's important that
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the British right doesn't appear to merely be a MAGA fan club right now. And I say this as someone
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who is, I've got many, many, many American friends who are, you know, influencers, politicians,
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politicians. And they, as you say, they are very concerned about the state of our country,
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because they do look at us as the mother country. But the, there's a certain kind of prejudice in
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Britain against the Americans, not in a hostile way, but in a more sort of contemptuous way, perhaps,
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that we shouldn't be just directly following in their footsteps, that we should be charting our
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own course. And it's, it's not that the left care about that, but they'll see it as a valid angle
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of attack on us, if we appear to just be attributed to it.
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Well, I think a lot of that agenda, Carl, is driven by the BBC, which, as you know, is a monopoly.
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And which, you know, I've listened to the garbage that's come out this morning, post the tragedy
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on Bondi Beach. And, you know, they are, they are institutionally biased towards Islamism.
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And, you know, against the Jewish people. And I think...
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Well, can I stop you there? Because they are, but that's, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm
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No, but it comes from BBC, a lot of that agenda.
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Hang on, I'm not certain that it does. That's the thing. A lot of it is actually, a lot of it
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comes from... It definitely comes from a certain kind of dialectical position in the left, where
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they are looking for ways of drawing up a wall against our ability to pierce into the conversation.
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And if they can just dismiss us as yank nonsense, which I think they will try and do, then we are
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kind of falling at the first hurdle. And it's not that I disagree with you either. We, you know,
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the Americans, the American right are our close friends, and they very much care about what's
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happening. But I do think optically, we shouldn't be seen to be overly reliant on them or their
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methods. Because I do think the strength to recover the country is still within the country. I still think
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Well, I agree. And I think, you know, if you want to go right back, then we played our cards very badly,
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the American War of Independence, when we should have, when we should have effectively listened
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to the issues. And we could still have America as part of the family. I think it was a part of
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the family. And so are... I think it was an idea as time had come, though.
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No, so are New Zealand, so are Australia, so are Canada, to some extent, even if Trudeau was
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the most disastrous part of their history. So I think, yes, but I say the BBC, because
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the BBC leads this thought process. They are infested with people who, I think, have got
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And where I think the left, as you say, is a danger to what I call the sort of bedrock
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of decent Britain, is I think they're a danger. They don't want strong communities. They don't
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want people who are independent-minded, of independent means. What they want is a dependency culture,
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which relies on their malign philosophies. And Brown and Blair laid a lot of the foundations
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for this dependency culture, which Labour see as, if you like, their nirvana, in the same
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way that they... I think a lot of the Islamism comes from the fact that they see the Islamic
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vote as their vote, and that they see it as an important part of them winning elections.
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Well, I can tell them that the Islamic vote will migrate to Islamic members of Parliament
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away from Labour. So it's only a matter of time before that happens.
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For any of our foreign viewers, that's the Green Party in Britain.
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Well, the Green Party, I mean, how is Zach Polanski taken seriously, Carl?
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The guy is a total and utter joke. I mean, he talks drivel. None of what he says has any,
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you know, doesn't have any sort of reality about it.
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It is, it's what I call once upon a time, but unfortunately, you're not going to live
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happily ever after if you listen to Zach Polanski.
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Well, what I find interesting about Zach Polanski is he's tapped into the sort of true essence
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of what the left is, which is a genuinely a series of almost like computer code, where
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you'll notice he's got very well scripted answers to any subject that is designed to
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capture the average left winger and say, oh, right, this is the correct formulation of what
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we believe, whether it describes reality or not. And you'll notice that he's not really
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converting new people to his cause. He's just gathering the faithful into the Green Party.
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So I think their constituency is naturally limited. And frankly, I'm not really that
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worried about them. I actually think that let Zach Polanski become the totemic leftist
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in the country, because everyone else is heading to the right. It's not going to save them. The
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Conservatives and the Labour Party are both heading right, but it's not going to save them.
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I think their time's done. I mean, to be honest with you, I think we might be looking at the
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It's quite possible. I mean, the British people are always slow to turn, but I think there is
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a big change taking place. And I think there is a big reckoning for what I call the Reds
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and the Blues have done to Britain. The Reds, starting obviously with Tony Blair, laid the
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And where the Blues went wrong is the Blues didn't, with an 80-seat majority, use the
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opportunity to repeal a lot of the malign legislation and actually return Britain to what it should
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be. I mean, obviously, it did have its roots in, I think, particularly the post-war sort
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of legislation, which I think decided that there should be more for everybody. And therefore,
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it was post-war, like in Europe, it was here too. You had this sort of underlying vein of
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socialism, which I think everybody felt was, after the relief of winning the war, important
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to embed within society. So we got things that I think are now no longer sustainable. I mean,
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So, I mean, I think, though, it's changing, because in the end, you can't, you know, communism
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showed you that you, the collective always fails in the end. Because as I've said on many
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occasions, to survive in the USSR, you needed one quality above all else, and that was to
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be an extremely adept liar. So in the end, about 98% of the country were liars. And they
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still, I think, to some extent, have that legacy. And it sat there. But, you know, if people
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have to lie to survive, then they learn to lie to survive. If people have to tell the truth
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to survive, they tell the truth to survive. So it's a question of how you programme, if
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you like, how the elite programme society. And I, you know, I think the labour elite wants
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a dependency culture. I don't. I want high-minded individuals who believe in themselves and believe
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in their family, believe in their community, and aren't frightened to say what they think
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needs to be done. So bravery plays a big part in it.
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I think so. I mean, you're completely correct, I think, of the dependency culture. This is
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basically the very end point of liberalism, where everyone is maximally dependent on the state,
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minimally dependent on one another, which is the opposite of what I think a proper society
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is, actually. I'm very much a fan of the AJP Taylor perspective that in 1915, the average
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Englishman could go his whole life without interacting with the state beyond the post office.
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The state should be minimalist. And I actually, as I say, I've said it many times now, I think
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It's become the enemy of the people. What the state's lost sight of is it's supposed
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to be serving the people. And in a libertarian democracy, you need responsible people who
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do defend the realm, which clearly we're not doing now, because we're allowing the enemies
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of the state to come here and do damage to us. And you need, obviously, to collect some
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tax, and you do need a welfare network. Although in Victorian Britain, as I've said on this program
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before, we had the friendly societies, and human beings are actually, on the whole, good.
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The state's never good. The state doesn't have a conscience. Human beings have a conscience,
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and they do put in place the support networks that you must have for people who need help.
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But that doesn't mean people who sign themselves off with mental health for no reason and play
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the system, which we've now got on a huge scale. The problem is, I think a lot of the British
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public are actually emotionally wedded to the way our welfare system works. And I'm quite
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concerned. I mean, apparently, it's 53% who are net withdrawers from the state rather than
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any net contributors, which is approaching levels of sort of South African levels.
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Well, I look at the state now, Carl. So I'm on the Public Accounts Committee, right?
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And, you know, we see the state is not as accountable to the people as the people are
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to the state. So I see it every day now. So DWP have had their accounts qualified for 37
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Well, their auditors have qualified them on the basis they don't reflect reality.
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And then we've got 4% of local councils have had a proper audit.
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All companies have to have an audit if they're over a certain size.
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And signed off by the auditors, or the tax collectors, as I call them now, because the
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state has weaponized all of our advisors against us to collect tax.
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So, whereas they don't. And, you know, I've got a meeting later today about government advisors,
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and I suspect they don't know how much they spend on advisors. I don't know. I don't think
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they know which advisors they use. I think it's, you know, the whole thing is one rule
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for the state and one rule for the individual, which is why the private sector is declining
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and the state sector is growing. And Rachel Reeves, bless her, in her ignorance, thinks
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she can central plan a recovery, but she can't. The only way to get a recovery is to empower
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the private sector and grow the private sector. You know, and this is why I think we don't see
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a downturn because in the old days, the state used to be 25% of GDP.
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That's more. I mean, probably directly over 50 and probably much higher if you take a lot
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of the indirect quangos and regulators and all the other rubbish that's built up.
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Just a quick pause on that. Sorry. People will find it hard to believe that the state is
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And people will honestly challenge you and say, are you sure about these numbers?
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And I have to try and explain to them that the quangos spend something like 500 billion pounds
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But the regulators, look at the regulators. I mean, they are just out of control.
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What was it Ronnie Reagan said? If it moves, taxes. If it keeps moving, regulations. And
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when it stops moving, subsidize it. That's what he said.
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A man who could sum things up in a few short sentences.
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But people genuinely, I think, don't understand the scale of the problem. Because the numbers,
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I mean, when you say 500 billion, what does that mean to the average person?
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Well, you know, if 1% of that was put into your bank account, you'd be fabulously wealthy
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forever. You wouldn't even know what you were doing with yourself. So it's numbers beyond
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scope. And so it's essentially meaningless to people. And I think that in the face of
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such a vast state apparatus, people kind of become helpless and become, they withdraw into
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themselves and just think, okay, well, I'll just let the government do whatever it's going
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Well, a society based on merit, everybody finds their own level. And actually, it's sustainable.
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A society based on statism and central planning means that you get Napoleon the pigs at the
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Who basically, it's a do as I say, not as I do culture.
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It's full of committees. And as we know, committees adopt the intellect of the lowest common denominator
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on the committee. The most manipulative, dishonest person on that committee.
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Indeed. So, you know, why can't we just release people, let them interface on merit, let them
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thrive, let them grow as people, let them grow intellectually, and not basically sort of reduce
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them to serfdom, which is what the socialists do.
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Now, you're singing my tune, obviously. But the question, well, why can't we do that? And I think
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that there's an underlying element of fear to it, as in what you're proposing is scary to people who
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have, for, I mean, you know, for the last 20 plus years, been habituated to believe that they should
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be dependents on government. And so the, I mean, the big selling point of the quangos, of the
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committees, of the excessive regulation, is that, trust us, we will keep you safe, right? This is
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going to, you know, your life might be getting worse, but at least you're, it's predictable that
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tomorrow will become, will be much like today. And what you're offering them is unpredictability.
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Now, I am the sort of person who enjoys taking risks. I personally love unpredictability, so you
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never know what happens. But a lot of people aren't that way. So how do you persuade them that this is a
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Well, do you want to be run by the rainmakers and the risk takers? Or do you want to be run by
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the risk-averse pork-barrellers who are living off the state? I know, I know which I'd rather have.
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Well, I know what I'd rather, but, but a lot of, a lot of people will say, well, I don't know,
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I'm a bit nervous about all of this. And so I've been, I've been thinking about this and I wonder
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if there's room for like, I don't know, some sort of state-run charity or something so people could
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donate to it. Well, I think people just got to get real, Carl. I mean, when Rachel Reid says she's
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not going to tax working people, well, working people are a function of the people who employ them.
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Yes. So if you overtax the people who employ them, you are going to damage the interests of
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the working people. And I think a lot of people who work for family businesses and, you know,
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I think they're the lifeblood of Britain. I don't like these corporates. They're, they're as almost
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as rotten as the, as the state now. They're arms of the state. But people who run the companies
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don't own them anymore. They have a tiny shareholding. It's owned by faceless pension
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money. So there's no heart to those companies. So you get lots of injustice happening. Whereas
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in family businesses, like, you know, we have family businesses, they all know who owns the
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business. And if you behave badly, they're able to judge you. And quite rightly. And, you know,
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those businesses lie at the heart of the community. If the businesses flourish, everybody else
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flourishes. Yeah. If the businesses don't flourish, they don't employ people. And you're seeing,
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I think, a government that doesn't understand how this country has been built. It's not been
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built by central planners. It's been built by family businesses.
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Who are, you know, they actually, they identify trends, they risk their own capital. And in
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the end, they lubricate the growth of the economy. And through the growing economy, you end up
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with effectively a better society. You end up with more money for the arts you end up with.
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So the whole basis of it is to generate the wealth. And the Victorians, we owe a huge vote of
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thanks to the Victorians, because they built up probably the greatest concentration of wealth
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that the world's ever seen. Because they were diligent, they worked hard, they were clever,
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And I think a lot of the problems nowadays, and this is why Restore Britain, we're trying to do
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proper research on subjects that actually go into more depth than just a 20-minute conversation
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and a press conference the following day. These are proper documents that look at the
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genesis of the issue. They look at how that can be solved, and then how you can actually
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practically solve the sort of downstream effects of what's gone wrong.
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Well, can I pick you up on that? Because I think that you're, I mean, obviously, as an Englishman,
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what you're describing just sounds like heaven to me, right? Yeah, I want, you know,
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family-run businesses that, you know, dot the land and make everyone's lives better,
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completely on board. But I wonder if the language of free markets is masking that.
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Because I think that what a lot of people hear when they hear sort of Reaganite or Thatcherite
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talking points on free markets, is they're thinking about like BlackRock or International
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Capital, which is able to buy up tracts of land and buy up businesses and
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shift them around the world and actually dislodge the local businesses from their own context.
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But BlackRock and people are not the essence of capitalism.
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And they are actually dangerous because the people at the top of those organizations,
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I don't think their interests are entirely aligned with the British people.
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Oh, I completely agree. But I think that's what people hear when they're hearing free market
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rhetoric now. And it's not that I disagree with free market rhetoric. It's just if I think a lot
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of these people perceive it as essentially having a country with no security against predatory
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international capital. And so is there a better way of communicating what you're saying that
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excludes what they are? Because I think that the free market rhetoric...
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I think we've had capitalism for a very long time. So I think you've got to appreciate the fact that
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we've had... And I saw it when I was in the city when I was young. You had an establishment that was
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frightened of what they called systemic risk. So they bailed the banks out when the banks made a
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mistake. Then we had long term capital management in America got bailed out. Then we had the 2000
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glitch got bailed out. Then we had 08 bailed out. And in 1987, Greenspan, actually, who was the biggest
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free marketeer, broke all of his own rules. And he closed the markets and intervened and saved Wall
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Street at the time from collapse. It was literally... I mean, I was in the dealing room. And so I don't
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think... I think this has been going on really post-war. So I don't think we've had true capitalism
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for a very long time. And I think people have to accept that to come off the state's teat,
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as I call it, is not going to be a very comfortable time. Because when you come off this delusional...
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Any kind of... This delusional, what I call, economics, it takes a long time for real investment
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to take effect. It takes a long time for the able people to appear and to feel confident
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enough that they're going to risk their capital and to reposition the economy in a way that is
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sustainable. So I don't promise a sort of an instant fix, because there isn't one. But what
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I don't want to be is part of a road to serfdom, which is where I think we're going at the moment.
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And I don't want my digital ID used. I don't want facial recognition cameras. I don't want the banks
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telling me how I should live my life. I want to be free to make decisions that I think, in the
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interest of myself, my family, my community, I don't want the state telling me what to do and
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oppressing me, which is where I think we've got to now.
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Oh, I mean, I completely agree. But the... So the issue I have is I don't want you to think
00:26:29.280
that I disagree with any of this, because I don't disagree with any of this. My thoughts
00:26:34.500
are more as a strategist, and it's like, right, okay, how do you sell this to people? How do
00:26:38.920
you make people understand that what you're actually offering is an ennobling of society
00:26:44.860
rather than a degradation of society that we're getting at the moment? And I think a lot of people
00:26:49.980
will hear this, and I think they'll be afraid, because a lot of people aren't... There's a large
00:26:57.660
number of people who are not as personally confident as someone like you or I. And so they will
00:27:04.720
withdraw into themselves. And if on the other side, you have a Labour government or Zach Polanski
00:27:11.180
offering them comfortable serfdom with no risks, no harms, no dangers, I think it's actually incumbent
00:27:21.600
on us to be able to make an argument that meets them on the level that they're at, to bring them
00:27:27.660
Well, I think people have got a choice to make, Carl, that they're either free and they're not
00:27:31.900
equal. Well, they're equal and they're not free.
00:27:35.800
So it's that simple. I mean, if you want freedom, you have to accept meritocracy.
00:27:43.100
I agree. But the issue I'm trying to drive at is, how do you persuade people that actually
00:27:50.780
Well, this is the problem, and that's why it's difficult when you've got a lot of people
00:27:55.240
who are sucking off the teeth of the state, which we now have.
00:27:57.700
Because, I mean, approaching them saying, I offer you hardship. Now, to me, that sounds good,
00:28:08.200
And I completely agree with you. We need a government that is brave enough to admit all
00:28:14.840
the faults and just say, look, we're just going to power through this. It's going to be difficult
00:28:18.860
for the first few years, but we're going to make sure that, you know, your taxes are lower,
00:28:22.440
you have the opportunity, like Germany after World War II, actually. You know, you will
00:28:28.080
just have to just knuckle down and work for it.
00:28:30.320
It's not a difficult formula. You have to just slash the size of the state.
00:28:37.440
You then hope that, and I believe that Britain's got the best people historically.
00:28:43.860
We've had people fleeing prosecution, whether they were the Jews, whether it was the Protestants,
00:28:50.780
Just look at the accomplishments of England and the history.
00:28:57.600
I'm worried at the moment that a lot of people are leaving.
00:29:02.380
I mean, I don't think Labour have any idea how much money is now in the hands of the baby
00:29:09.900
boomers and how many of them can quietly slip out of the country and take their money
00:29:25.460
Upwardly mobile people are going to Australia and America.
00:29:30.740
I don't think Australia is far behind us in terms of getting it wrong.
00:29:42.020
I mean, you know, these people come up with utter rubbish, don't they, when these tragedies
00:29:48.920
And you hear all sorts of sort of what I call crocodile tears.
00:29:53.660
But, you know, they've played their part in creating an environment where this can happen.
00:30:00.320
And they then come out with all these platitudinous sort of nonsens.
00:30:05.240
But the problem is a lot of our people are going.
00:30:08.280
One of my chaps recently went to Australia and he came back and he said, there's a large
00:30:12.520
expat community out there of Brits who just find it more pleasant and less intrusive.
00:30:20.120
And we should be following that model, which is, of course, I think we should.
00:30:25.600
I used to do business in Perth in Western Australia.
00:30:31.180
I mean, I've often thought, I mean, from a personal comfort and safety point of view,
00:30:43.180
You have a fantastic risk-taking appetite because that's where you go.
00:30:49.680
To buy gold mining stocks and uranium mining stocks and rare earth stocks.
00:31:03.100
So Western Australia, I think it's eight times the size of the UK or something.
00:31:07.640
And it's got a population of, what, three, four million tiny, maybe even less, something
00:31:25.120
I mean, if people haven't been to Kalgoorlie, Kalgoorlie is just a cultural experience everybody
00:31:30.300
should have, where, you know, it was a prospecting frontiers town.
00:31:43.640
I mean, that's the sort of society I think I like.
00:31:54.860
Well, I'm not saying that they're on the right trajectory.
00:31:57.920
But I think that we're far further along the path of statism than they are at the moment.
00:32:05.660
And the point being, how do we persuade young people that actually – because, I mean,
00:32:14.580
young people overwhelmingly vote left-wing, even though they're the ones who would be
00:32:18.280
standing to gain the most out of a more libertarian free market society.
00:32:24.160
Because, of course, they're the ones who work hard and have, you know, developed new skills
00:32:30.340
So, you know, it's not the old men like us who are developing the new technology.
00:32:39.300
And they are – in a way, they've been let down by, as you say, these old lags above
00:32:45.120
them who have, if you like, taken opportunity away from them.
00:33:13.000
So that is a ray of light shining in at the bottom of the pile.
00:33:22.200
They've been brought up in these woke schools with the most appalling ideologies, and yet
00:33:31.480
And these are now rampantly, arguably capitalistic, logical people who want to fight for something,
00:33:41.400
So what do you see happening between now and, I mean, do you even see the election coming
00:33:50.620
Obviously, look, Labour, to your point, I think they're going to get eviscerated at the next
00:33:57.200
So I think they'll hang on for as long as they can, doing as much damage as they can, driving
00:34:03.940
these ridiculous, you know, ideological agendas, like getting rid of the jury trial, which I
00:34:10.080
You know, all the stuff they've done, God, you just can't believe how idiotic they are.
00:34:18.740
But it also feels desperate, as in, you know, this feels like they know that this is going
00:34:25.540
to be the last opportunity they'll ever get to do anything like this.
00:34:28.600
Well, breaking the backbone of Britain for what?
00:34:30.760
So you can fund an indolent, bloated state, you know, taxing family businesses, which I've
00:34:37.280
just been talking about, which are the key, the backbone of Britain.
00:34:43.320
These are the policies we've had in the past have held Britain together.
00:34:48.740
Held communities together, held the country together.
00:34:54.420
That's the body of Britain that's still intact.
00:35:01.220
So I think they're going to get mullered in the regions, in the agricultural constituencies.
00:35:08.280
They're going to get mullered by people who basically care about their community and
00:35:13.740
They're going to get mullered by anyone who basically is suffering as a result of what
00:35:21.980
So in answer to your question, though, could we have an early election?
00:35:28.240
And I think the thing that will potentially bring on an early election will make things
00:35:33.500
even worse for Labour, which is going to be a collapsing economy.
00:35:37.680
So I think our economy, I don't understand economically how sterling is holding up.
00:35:47.520
So something very odd going on there, whether the central banks are manipulating the currency.
00:35:53.220
I think we've got to stage now where you've got this schism between the consuming nations,
00:36:00.820
which are us, and the producing nations, which are largely Asia and China.
00:36:08.260
And while those countries that are doing all the work are happy to accept our paper,
00:36:16.160
But the minute they say, well, hang on a sec, why are we accepting this piece of bog roll
00:36:35.680
And you are starting to see, I think, a shift from what I call the consuming currencies to
00:36:48.020
And you've got, obviously, the emergence of the BRICs.
00:36:54.960
So you've got these countries that are, I think, beginning to see.
00:37:00.080
So I've always said credit is suspicion of sleep.
00:37:08.860
So I think the suspicion between the consumers and the producers is actually getting to the
00:37:16.880
stage where you could see some form of currency carnage.
00:37:23.300
So when that happens, countries like us who are relying on strong currency, even though
00:37:30.480
we haven't got a strong economy, then you suffer.
00:37:35.340
But naturally, then, if you believe in floating currencies, which I do, that's why I didn't
00:37:43.080
And then you start to get capital formation because our economy starts to become competitive
00:37:55.480
We're outsourcing all of our knowledge, all of our skill sets, all of our investment.
00:38:05.200
And what we're doing is laying the seeds of our own destruction.
00:38:25.760
And then Labour are finished because they will not be able to keep this going.
00:38:29.940
They've taxed the private sector into oblivion.
00:38:32.880
They're funding a bloated state that's dishonest now.
00:38:35.940
As I've just said to you, they don't bother with audited accounts.
00:38:39.000
If you or I don't bother with audited accounts, we end up being banned from being a director
00:38:45.600
And if you don't pay your taxes, you know, I was talking at the committee last week and
00:38:50.860
I said, so can you define, they were talking about missing data.
00:38:58.340
Oh, well, this is data that hasn't been made available.
00:39:01.620
I said, well, if I tell HMRC that I'm terribly sorry, I've got a lot of missing data.
00:39:09.460
And I therefore don't know how much money I've made.
00:39:18.480
So people need to understand the state is their enemy.
00:39:24.000
What, what, how long would people like Keir Starmer, Rachel Reeves, Angela Rayner, you
00:39:31.580
know, Bridget Phillips and Powell, how long would these people all survive in a real capitalist
00:39:38.600
Well, the answer is no time at all, which is why they don't want it.
00:39:47.060
So, but, so do you think this is going to happen before 2029?
00:39:57.400
I mean, I am amazed because I've, you know, we've laid people off.
00:40:03.320
Look at the unemployment figures they're going up.
00:40:05.720
And with what she's done with national insurance, she's put a tax on employment.
00:40:12.780
And it's going to affect the growth in the economy, already seeing that the economy is
00:40:22.420
We're, we're, we're, we're technically about to enter a recession.
00:40:29.360
So everybody concentrates on Christmas, but they spend the December, they get paid early
00:40:36.140
And then suddenly they don't have any money to see themselves through January to get to
00:40:42.840
So I, I think we're in a, we're in a, we're in a, we're in a vicious circle downwards.
00:40:48.740
And I think that, so in answer to your question, they won't go to the country unless they have
00:40:54.400
The one thing I think could force them to the country is if we do get an economic collapse.
00:41:00.220
And, and I, I can't see how we can call ourselves a functioning, growing economy when we spend
00:41:11.980
I mean, the, the, the, the, the, the way the Labour government taxes.
00:41:20.360
It's genuinely, I remember reading a book about fascist economics years ago called Vampire
00:41:27.760
And the, it was done by a German communist economist in the forties who'd lived through
00:41:34.780
And he said, look, the, the, the fascist government just becomes like a vampire on the state, on
00:41:39.500
the, on the country, draining as much out of it as it can for its own purposes.
00:41:50.420
The book I always liked was, I think we've talked about this, is, is, is the Protestant
00:41:53.860
Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism by Max Weber.
00:41:57.240
Where I think you need, you need honesty to build, it's like building a bank, you know,
00:42:04.000
bankers took a generation to build their bank and it took a week to destroy the bank.
00:42:12.400
So I think, you know, a Protestant ethic, and if you look at a lot of the success of
00:42:17.300
the, you know, those, those businesses that, you know, in, in, in Norfolk in particular,
00:42:23.580
where, where, where you had the Quakers and, you know, the honest people who, who actually
00:42:27.980
trusted each other and could trust each other, their businesses flourished.
00:42:31.960
The Cadbury's, the Roundtree's, you know, all, all, all those sort of, uh, the Barclays
00:42:37.120
Bank was all based on a lot of landowners from Norfolk and Essex.
00:42:41.200
So I, I think our countries become dishonest and in, in a dishonest society, you need to
00:42:53.360
I like people who are upfront and honest and say what they think, even if you don't agree
00:43:04.880
I think we're in times where the state is acting in its own interests, not in the interests
00:43:11.320
And the British people need to stand up to it because if they don't, they're going to
00:43:15.500
So let's, uh, finish with what's next for Restore Britain.
00:43:18.880
Um, so I understand that you're, uh, engaging the, the rape gang inquiry is ongoing.
00:43:24.100
You've just, the rape gang inquiry, we are going to continue with that.
00:43:27.400
So when the government six months ago announced the statutory inquiry, which I think was in
00:43:38.560
We're not standing down because we, we know that this is not something that any of the organs
00:43:47.200
And we, and the more we've been doing our work, the more vile and the more in systemically
00:43:52.760
embedded it is in our, in our, across the country.
00:43:57.120
The thing is, we know that they don't want it because they all voted against it.
00:44:00.600
So we start sending out, uh, invitations to people to our hearing, which is going to be
00:44:08.260
They appoint a labor peer to be the chairman of their, of their inquiry.
00:44:15.140
And they tell us the timetable for their inquiry means that nothing, no truth will come out
00:44:23.540
So all you need is a little slip in the timetable.
00:44:30.240
So I, you know, I offered our help in the house, uh, and I got told if you've got any
00:44:35.880
information, we are the statutory inquiry, give it to us.
00:44:43.620
We've got a very able barrister who's going to hear it all.
00:44:48.380
He's then going to produce a report hopefully by April, uh, end of March, April, depending
00:44:58.580
So we're going to, we are going to be fulfilling what 20,000 people donated to.
00:45:08.360
A report that shows how widespread this vileness was.
00:45:14.800
And we are going to then look at the people who failed to look after those people they're
00:45:23.560
We may well then, Carl, indulge in some private prosecutions because the state won't do it.
00:45:31.300
And if we don't have enough money left, bearing in mind, we only raised 600,000, the J report
00:45:38.920
But we, I think 20,000 people cared about this.
00:45:43.320
We had some tiny donations from people who probably couldn't afford it, but they care.
00:45:47.300
They care more than the Labour government who should be dealing with this.
00:45:55.280
Jess Phillips smirks in Parliament when we talk about this.
00:45:59.980
I think a lot of people are interested in seeing the connections between the Labour government,
00:46:09.280
Because I think that there probably is a lot of connective tissue between them, which is,
00:46:13.880
I think, why the Labour government has been so reticent to do anything about it.
00:46:20.420
I've just got to give credit to my entire team, particularly led by Sammy Woodhouse, who
00:46:27.400
And I think, you know, she is driven to bring this out.
00:46:33.000
And we can tell you it's still happening in London.
00:46:35.960
Sadiq Khan can bob and weave, but the fact of the matter is, this is still going on today.
00:46:41.660
It's slightly changed in the way in which it's perpetrated, but it's still happening.
00:46:47.500
And I don't think this country can move on to...
00:46:50.080
We've exposed this to, as I call, the sanity of sunlight.
00:46:55.500
And we have effectively allowed people to understand why it happened, how it happened,
00:47:03.160
and how so many people failed in their duty to actually bring those people who were doing it to book.
00:47:09.100
Meanwhile, they're happy to send Lucy Conley to prison for a social media post, which is a joke.
00:47:26.820
I like to devolve power to them, and they do a great job in getting on with it.
00:47:38.740
We are producing research like we did on mass deportation.
00:47:45.040
And we've got another one that's about to come through.
00:47:50.520
And I think what we're trying to do is unify common sense thought.
00:47:54.780
And the reason I set up a movement, because I didn't want to set up another party and be divisive.
00:48:03.360
The Tories have put me on the Public Accounts Committee credit to them.
00:48:10.300
I talked to Ben Habib, who I think shares a lot of what we want to achieve, although his view was he wanted a party.
00:48:20.840
In fact, he called it Advance UK, which, as I've told you before, I think sounds like a toothpaste brand rather than a party.
00:48:33.200
He shares our broad sentiments, and I think we should all be supporting each other.
00:48:38.160
So I think the reform membership are good people.
00:48:44.020
I don't think the reform leadership are good people, because they're trying to put me in prison, for whatever reason.
00:48:49.540
And notice how they've never walked that back at all.
00:48:52.480
You know, Rupert Lowe, he tried to murder me, and he has dementia, and nothing came right.
00:48:57.180
Well, people who were with me know that's powerful rubbish.
00:49:02.280
Nigel even said he had meetings with me the other day, apparently, which would be in a Spectator article, where I, you know, he couldn't be in the room with me for more than three minutes, and I lost my temper.
00:49:12.020
I mean, I have never lost my temper in front of Nigel.
00:49:19.280
I can only conclude that he's worried about the fact that we are growing the common sense thought and trying to unite rather than divide.
00:49:31.920
And I, you know, I don't want to see a divided right or divided common sense wing of Britain let in a Polanski, you know, Lib Dem Labour coalition, because that really would be time to up stumps and move on and leave this place to fester in its own rotting sewage.
00:50:05.080
I've always said publicly, we must achieve this by 29.
00:50:10.020
We have to start the process now, which I think we've already done.
00:50:16.800
And then I don't know how the cards are going to fall.
00:50:19.540
So there isn't a particular plan to enter into a particular party or anything like that?
00:50:25.340
I, we have to have a, a body which understands what needs to be done and doesn't have any legacy issues which are going to hold us back.
00:50:38.480
So whichever entity offers us that opportunity is the entity to restore Britain with.
00:50:47.160
Finally, let me ask you about Great Yarmouth First.
00:50:54.080
Well, Great Yarmouth First, the genesis of that, Carl, was I have a business forum in Great Yarmouth every three months where we have about 80 or 90 people come to talk to us.
00:51:05.980
And I like to understand from the local community what they want to see change.
00:51:11.860
So at each of these meetings, we talk about, you know, what's happening with the local council, what's happening really across Great Yarmouth.
00:51:20.460
And a lot of them have got much, much better intelligence than I've got because they're all working within the community.
00:51:27.240
And it's encouraging a lot of Great Yarmouth businesses do work together to try and support each other, which I like very much.
00:51:32.780
So at the meeting, I said, we've got three opportunities with regard to the upcoming county council elections, which, again, Labour could try and cancel them still.
00:51:46.080
They've canceled the mayoral elections, which I think is a disgrace, and they're going to try.
00:51:49.460
And I think they're probably going to – they could try.
00:51:54.760
I mean, I spoke strongly in Parliament against it.
00:51:57.280
It would be completely undemocratic, and I don't think the British people would like it.
00:52:02.320
Well, it'd be the third time, wouldn't it, that there'd cancel elections?
00:52:09.900
We can support the Tories, or we can set up Great Yarmouth first.
00:52:22.560
So I said, well, look, I haven't got a lot of bandwidth to do this stuff.
00:52:29.900
I said, I'll seed it with my first – with a month's salary, which I did.
00:52:33.780
And – but then it's up to you, because you've got to fight for your own local community.
00:52:43.040
And if you believe in your local community and you fight for it,
00:52:46.820
you're probably going to win all the seats there.
00:52:49.020
And then when they do set up this homunculus of what I call a unitary sort of authority,
00:52:56.160
which is going to amalgamate lots of bits of shit together,
00:53:01.000
and you end up with one big bit of shit, in my view, which doesn't reflect local democracy,
00:53:07.360
I actually quite like the Borough Council and the County Council.
00:53:11.320
I think it brings a sort of local flavour to it.
00:53:14.700
So Great Yarmouth will have nine seats on the County Council if the elections go ahead next May.
00:53:21.440
And then when this unitary nonsense, which I think is Angela Rayner's sort of –
00:53:28.260
More centralisation, more central planning, less accountability, more oppression,
00:53:40.440
But at least Great Yarmouth will then have nine seats on whatever comes out of the sausage machine.
00:53:55.540
If other people decide to take back their control, their destiny, I like that.
00:54:01.320
That's what I was thinking, because the fact that instantly it was polling at 44% in the constituency.
00:54:14.680
And it does suggest a model for the future where you actually have a coalition of independent
00:54:19.780
parties that are interested in actually representing their own constituency.
00:54:25.260
So you can have Oxford first, Swindon first, Great Yarmouth first, Clacton first.
00:54:29.640
You know, you can have all of these rather than the sort of monolithic national parties.
00:54:33.740
Well, isn't it nice to think the Great Yarmouth, the Hanseatic League port, which it is, could
00:54:45.360
The bedrock of British people on the coastal communities have been let down by all parties
00:54:50.680
post-war, leading the charge to get their democracy back.
00:55:00.840
It's actually quite inspirational how so many people in Great Yarmouth have recognized,
00:55:08.220
And if they are leading the charge and set an example to the rest of us.
00:55:11.900
All I can tell you, Carl, is that they are, we've had some leaflets printed and they are
00:55:18.360
And I think, you know, when local people are fired up about local things, that's how you
00:55:32.800
I think it's genuinely the most exciting thing that's happened in British politics in a long
00:55:44.000
It's so boring, all this inter-Nissan warfare between Labour, the Lib Dems.
00:55:53.520
And I don't think any of them are here to help anyone.
00:55:55.940
And, I mean, ultimately, none of them are going to get the drains unclogged.
00:55:59.940
None of them are going to get the potholes filled.
00:56:08.920
I think it'll bring some passion into local politics.