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'The British Need to Stand Up' ｜ Interview with Rupert Lowe


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Rupert Lowe MP, fresh from his Tucker Carlson interview, joins me to talk about his views on the current state of politics in the UK and America, and his thoughts on the Trump administration and its relationship with the far-right.

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00:00:00.000 Hi, folks. I have the pleasure of being joined by Rupert Lowe MP, who is fresh off of his Tucker
00:00:04.680 Carlson interview. So that was pretty big. How did that come about? That was an interesting
00:00:09.520 interview. I mean, I wouldn't say fresh, Carl. I've had a stinking cold. And as you can probably
00:00:14.360 tell, hopefully my voice will last the course. I've got the lem sip in the cup here ready
00:00:19.520 to hopefully resuscitate it. Yeah, they approached us, and I've always very much liked what Tucker
00:00:28.760 Carlson does. So we met in London, in a hotel in London. Got to know him a bit. I thought
00:00:37.080 he was a very nice chap. Yeah, he does all sorts of things I like doing, like fishing. He's
00:00:41.840 a very keen fisherman. He's a keen shot. He's a countryman. So look, I liked him very much.
00:00:50.200 And we did a straight off the cuff interview, no preparation, talking about a range of things.
00:00:58.760 And I think America is deeply concerned about what's going on here. So, you know, and I told
00:01:05.580 him and I appealed to him that we need help now from the USA. I mean, we need some proper
00:01:13.160 logical thought from people who care about the Anglo-Saxon alliance and who want to see
00:01:18.780 the libertarian fringe of the world unite and protect freedom and the way of life that we've
00:01:25.780 all arguing and we now take for granted. So there's, I have a concern with this aspect and
00:01:34.040 this angle, which is it allows the left to become xenophobic and claim patriotism. And I've already
00:01:41.820 seen them trying to do this, saying the British right is wholly in hock to the American right and
00:01:49.600 dependent upon them. And therefore we are in some way foreign. Whereas in fact, it's the left that
00:01:55.680 is wholly dependent and in hock to the Europeans and who are actually trying to impose a foreign 0.90
00:02:00.420 ideology on us.
00:02:01.360 Well, I think what it is, it's the comparison really, isn't it, between a malign ideology,
00:02:06.520 which I think all these left-wingers carry with them, the Fabianism, the Pabloism, you know,
00:02:12.980 the Haldane society.
00:02:15.380 All of Blairism is far less tolerant than we are. You know, I don't mind having a decent debate with
00:02:20.620 people even if they disagree with me. And I very much liked Tony Benn and I very much liked Peter
00:02:26.900 Shaw and old Labour. I thought they were good people. They're very honest people, but they
00:02:30.900 had a different opinion to me. I don't like Jeremy Corbyn's politics, but at least he's
00:02:36.200 clear about what his politics are. You know, when you've got most of the Labour party being
00:02:42.560 members of the Fabian society, whose sort of emblem is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
00:02:48.580 No, no, no. Rupert, I've got to correct you. It used to be a wolf in sheep's clothing.
00:02:52.520 It's still a wolf in sheep's clothing.
00:02:54.200 They realised it looked bad and they changed it a few years back. But yeah, no, that was
00:02:59.760 the original logo.
00:03:00.960 They may have changed the emblem, but I don't think...
00:03:03.160 They haven't changed the soul.
00:03:04.020 The agenda has changed at all. So I despise those people. I despise Keir Starmer. I despise 0.99
00:03:12.000 almost the entire front bench of the government. I think they're ill-equipped to be doing what
00:03:18.240 they're doing. Whereas I think, you know, in Britain, in the old days, you had politicians
00:03:23.680 whose interests were aligned with the British people. And they probably made a few quid
00:03:28.260 out of it. And they probably positioned themselves and their families well. But actually, they
00:03:33.080 delivered for the country. And I think you're seeing that a bit with Trump. So Trump has cut
00:03:38.800 through all of it. I mean, he doesn't go into great detail. But he's got a sort of cunning
00:03:47.020 way of summing it all up in a very simplistic way, which everybody can understand. And I think
00:03:53.220 after years of what I call deceit, and I put the European Union in that, as you and I know,
00:04:00.400 the EU's genesis was a post-war communist plan based on a monopoly, which was the European
00:04:06.920 coal and steel community. And I think he's always been living a lie. And I think the Democrats were
00:04:11.580 the same in the US. So I think it's refreshing to see. And I don't talk about myself being right
00:04:18.540 wing. I talk about myself having some common sense. And so I talk about uniting those people
00:04:24.700 who've got common sense. And that's, that's my, that's my plan. Now, I, you know, from everything
00:04:32.360 I agree with that, I'm more worried about the strategy. Because I do think it's important that
00:04:40.420 the British right doesn't appear to merely be a MAGA fan club right now. And I say this as someone
00:04:47.320 who is, I've got many, many, many American friends who are, you know, influencers, politicians,
00:04:53.540 politicians. And they, as you say, they are very concerned about the state of our country,
00:04:57.620 because they do look at us as the mother country. But the, there's a certain kind of prejudice in
00:05:03.520 Britain against the Americans, not in a hostile way, but in a more sort of contemptuous way, perhaps,
00:05:10.760 that we shouldn't be just directly following in their footsteps, that we should be charting our
00:05:15.680 own course. And it's, it's not that the left care about that, but they'll see it as a valid angle
00:05:23.180 of attack on us, if we appear to just be attributed to it.
00:05:25.920 Well, I think a lot of that agenda, Carl, is driven by the BBC, which, as you know, is a monopoly.
00:05:31.760 I agree.
00:05:32.360 And which, you know, I've listened to the garbage that's come out this morning, post the tragedy 0.94
00:05:39.360 on Bondi Beach. And, you know, they are, they are institutionally biased towards Islamism. 0.99
00:05:50.520 They are.
00:05:51.440 And, you know, against the Jewish people. And I think... 0.68
00:05:56.540 Well, can I stop you there? Because they are, but that's, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm
00:05:59.960 more talking about the dialectic of...
00:06:03.580 No, but it comes from BBC, a lot of that agenda.
00:06:06.740 Hang on, I'm not certain that it does. That's the thing. A lot of it is actually, a lot of it
00:06:12.780 comes from... It definitely comes from a certain kind of dialectical position in the left, where
00:06:19.660 they are looking for ways of drawing up a wall against our ability to pierce into the conversation.
00:06:30.080 And if they can just dismiss us as yank nonsense, which I think they will try and do, then we are
00:06:36.860 kind of falling at the first hurdle. And it's not that I disagree with you either. We, you know,
00:06:41.520 the Americans, the American right are our close friends, and they very much care about what's
00:06:45.140 happening. But I do think optically, we shouldn't be seen to be overly reliant on them or their
00:06:52.040 methods. Because I do think the strength to recover the country is still within the country. I still think
00:06:57.320 that we have it here.
00:06:58.980 Well, I agree. And I think, you know, if you want to go right back, then we played our cards very badly,
00:07:04.440 the American War of Independence, when we should have, when we should have effectively listened
00:07:09.920 to the issues. And we could still have America as part of the family. I think it was a part of
00:07:18.680 the family. And so are... I think it was an idea as time had come, though.
00:07:21.960 No, so are New Zealand, so are Australia, so are Canada, to some extent, even if Trudeau was
00:07:27.560 the most disastrous part of their history. So I think, yes, but I say the BBC, because
00:07:37.780 the BBC leads this thought process. They are infested with people who, I think, have got
00:07:46.140 used to being in the bosom of a monopoly.
00:07:49.800 Oh, yeah.
00:07:50.080 And where I think the left, as you say, is a danger to what I call the sort of bedrock
00:07:56.760 of decent Britain, is I think they're a danger. They don't want strong communities. They don't
00:08:03.400 want people who are independent-minded, of independent means. What they want is a dependency culture,
00:08:11.720 which relies on their malign philosophies. And Brown and Blair laid a lot of the foundations
00:08:22.600 for this dependency culture, which Labour see as, if you like, their nirvana, in the same
00:08:31.200 way that they... I think a lot of the Islamism comes from the fact that they see the Islamic
00:08:37.300 vote as their vote, and that they see it as an important part of them winning elections.
00:08:43.380 Well, I can tell them that the Islamic vote will migrate to Islamic members of Parliament 1.00
00:08:51.720 away from Labour. So it's only a matter of time before that happens.
00:08:56.020 For any of our foreign viewers, that's the Green Party in Britain.
00:08:59.100 Well, the Green Party, I mean, how is Zach Polanski taken seriously, Carl?
00:09:03.520 I don't know.
00:09:04.020 The guy is a total and utter joke. I mean, he talks drivel. None of what he says has any, 0.98
00:09:12.860 you know, doesn't have any sort of reality about it.
00:09:17.720 It doesn't describe anything.
00:09:19.320 It is, it's what I call once upon a time, but unfortunately, you're not going to live
00:09:23.560 happily ever after if you listen to Zach Polanski.
00:09:26.280 Well, what I find interesting about Zach Polanski is he's tapped into the sort of true essence
00:09:32.080 of what the left is, which is a genuinely a series of almost like computer code, where
00:09:38.460 you'll notice he's got very well scripted answers to any subject that is designed to
00:09:45.300 capture the average left winger and say, oh, right, this is the correct formulation of what
00:09:50.340 we believe, whether it describes reality or not. And you'll notice that he's not really
00:09:55.440 converting new people to his cause. He's just gathering the faithful into the Green Party.
00:09:59.840 So I think their constituency is naturally limited. And frankly, I'm not really that
00:10:03.240 worried about them. I actually think that let Zach Polanski become the totemic leftist
00:10:08.500 in the country, because everyone else is heading to the right. It's not going to save them. The
00:10:14.100 Conservatives and the Labour Party are both heading right, but it's not going to save them.
00:10:17.540 I think their time's done. I mean, to be honest with you, I think we might be looking at the
00:10:20.320 last Labour government ever.
00:10:21.640 It's quite possible. I mean, the British people are always slow to turn, but I think there is 1.00
00:10:30.400 a big change taking place. And I think there is a big reckoning for what I call the Reds
00:10:36.520 and the Blues have done to Britain. The Reds, starting obviously with Tony Blair, laid the
00:10:41.820 foundations for it.
00:10:43.040 I'd go back to the 60s.
00:10:44.420 And where the Blues went wrong is the Blues didn't, with an 80-seat majority, use the
00:10:48.900 opportunity to repeal a lot of the malign legislation and actually return Britain to what it should
00:10:54.220 be. I mean, obviously, it did have its roots in, I think, particularly the post-war sort
00:11:00.700 of legislation, which I think decided that there should be more for everybody. And therefore,
00:11:09.320 it was post-war, like in Europe, it was here too. You had this sort of underlying vein of
00:11:16.860 socialism, which I think everybody felt was, after the relief of winning the war, important
00:11:22.700 to embed within society. So we got things that I think are now no longer sustainable. I mean,
00:11:29.100 the National Health Service being one of them.
00:11:30.740 So, I mean, I think, though, it's changing, because in the end, you can't, you know, communism
00:11:40.820 showed you that you, the collective always fails in the end. Because as I've said on many
00:11:46.680 occasions, to survive in the USSR, you needed one quality above all else, and that was to 0.94
00:11:53.520 be an extremely adept liar. So in the end, about 98% of the country were liars. And they 0.92
00:12:00.680 still, I think, to some extent, have that legacy. And it sat there. But, you know, if people
00:12:08.720 have to lie to survive, then they learn to lie to survive. If people have to tell the truth
00:12:14.760 to survive, they tell the truth to survive. So it's a question of how you programme, if
00:12:21.180 you like, how the elite programme society. And I, you know, I think the labour elite wants
00:12:27.620 a dependency culture. I don't. I want high-minded individuals who believe in themselves and believe
00:12:34.780 in their family, believe in their community, and aren't frightened to say what they think
00:12:38.780 needs to be done. So bravery plays a big part in it.
00:12:43.140 I think so. I mean, you're completely correct, I think, of the dependency culture. This is
00:12:48.660 basically the very end point of liberalism, where everyone is maximally dependent on the state,
00:12:55.000 minimally dependent on one another, which is the opposite of what I think a proper society
00:12:59.220 is, actually. I'm very much a fan of the AJP Taylor perspective that in 1915, the average
00:13:06.860 Englishman could go his whole life without interacting with the state beyond the post office.
00:13:10.780 I love that. Don't you? That's what you want.
00:13:12.680 It's the dream. It is the dream.
00:13:14.600 The state should be minimalist. And I actually, as I say, I've said it many times now, I think
00:13:18.040 the state has got so big.
00:13:19.380 Oh, yeah.
00:13:19.720 It's become the enemy of the people. What the state's lost sight of is it's supposed
00:13:24.080 to be serving the people. And in a libertarian democracy, you need responsible people who
00:13:31.340 do defend the realm, which clearly we're not doing now, because we're allowing the enemies
00:13:36.540 of the state to come here and do damage to us. And you need, obviously, to collect some
00:13:41.880 tax, and you do need a welfare network. Although in Victorian Britain, as I've said on this program
00:13:47.260 before, we had the friendly societies, and human beings are actually, on the whole, good.
00:13:53.440 The state's never good. The state doesn't have a conscience. Human beings have a conscience,
00:13:57.380 and they do put in place the support networks that you must have for people who need help.
00:14:03.400 But that doesn't mean people who sign themselves off with mental health for no reason and play
00:14:10.340 the system, which we've now got on a huge scale. The problem is, I think a lot of the British 1.00
00:14:19.980 public are actually emotionally wedded to the way our welfare system works. And I'm quite
00:14:26.780 concerned. I mean, apparently, it's 53% who are net withdrawers from the state rather than
00:14:33.580 any net contributors, which is approaching levels of sort of South African levels.
00:14:40.600 Well, I look at the state now, Carl. So I'm on the Public Accounts Committee, right?
00:14:43.880 Yeah.
00:14:44.400 And, you know, we see the state is not as accountable to the people as the people are
00:14:50.380 to the state. So I see it every day now. So DWP have had their accounts qualified for 37
00:14:57.580 consecutive years. Right?
00:15:01.380 So what do you mean by qualified?
00:15:03.300 Well, their auditors have qualified them on the basis they don't reflect reality.
00:15:06.960 Oh, right.
00:15:07.400 Which we all know they don't.
00:15:08.560 Well, I didn't think they were, didn't I?
00:15:10.040 And then we've got 4% of local councils have had a proper audit.
00:15:15.640 Really?
00:15:16.140 All companies have to have an audit if they're over a certain size.
00:15:18.780 Yeah.
00:15:18.900 And signed off by the auditors, or the tax collectors, as I call them now, because the
00:15:25.680 state has weaponized all of our advisors against us to collect tax.
00:15:30.040 Yes.
00:15:30.860 So, whereas they don't. And, you know, I've got a meeting later today about government advisors,
00:15:38.580 and I suspect they don't know how much they spend on advisors. I don't know. I don't think
00:15:44.460 they know which advisors they use. I think it's, you know, the whole thing is one rule
00:15:50.360 for the state and one rule for the individual, which is why the private sector is declining
00:15:55.200 and the state sector is growing. And Rachel Reeves, bless her, in her ignorance, thinks 0.50
00:16:01.440 she can central plan a recovery, but she can't. The only way to get a recovery is to empower 0.97
00:16:08.020 the private sector and grow the private sector. You know, and this is why I think we don't see
00:16:13.700 a downturn because in the old days, the state used to be 25% of GDP.
00:16:19.000 And was it now 45%?
00:16:20.420 That's more. I mean, probably directly over 50 and probably much higher if you take a lot
00:16:25.460 of the indirect quangos and regulators and all the other rubbish that's built up.
00:16:29.940 Just a quick pause on that. Sorry. People will find it hard to believe that the state is
00:16:35.600 consuming about half of the British economy.
00:16:38.240 It's become the enemy of the individual.
00:16:40.540 And people will honestly challenge you and say, are you sure about these numbers?
00:16:45.460 Yes, I am.
00:16:46.460 And I have to try and explain to them that the quangos spend something like 500 billion pounds 1.00
00:16:51.240 a year. The quangos alone.
00:16:53.640 But the regulators, look at the regulators. I mean, they are just out of control.
00:16:56.340 It's an unbelievable amount of money.
00:16:57.540 What was it Ronnie Reagan said? If it moves, taxes. If it keeps moving, regulations. And
00:17:05.180 when it stops moving, subsidize it. That's what he said.
00:17:07.920 But genuinely...
00:17:09.160 A man who could sum things up in a few short sentences.
00:17:12.600 He was just very funny as well.
00:17:15.100 Ronnie Reagan, what a man.
00:17:16.240 Yeah.
00:17:16.680 But people genuinely, I think, don't understand the scale of the problem. Because the numbers,
00:17:21.800 I mean, when you say 500 billion, what does that mean to the average person?
00:17:24.480 Well, you know, if 1% of that was put into your bank account, you'd be fabulously wealthy
00:17:30.040 forever. You wouldn't even know what you were doing with yourself. So it's numbers beyond
00:17:37.100 scope. And so it's essentially meaningless to people. And I think that in the face of
00:17:41.880 such a vast state apparatus, people kind of become helpless and become, they withdraw into
00:17:49.720 themselves and just think, okay, well, I'll just let the government do whatever it's going
00:17:53.380 to do.
00:17:53.760 Well, a society based on merit, everybody finds their own level. And actually, it's sustainable.
00:17:59.240 Yeah. 0.95
00:17:59.580 A society based on statism and central planning means that you get Napoleon the pigs at the 0.98
00:18:05.300 top. 0.95
00:18:05.720 Yes.
00:18:06.360 Who basically, it's a do as I say, not as I do culture.
00:18:11.060 Correct.
00:18:11.800 It's full of committees. And as we know, committees adopt the intellect of the lowest common denominator
00:18:17.060 on the committee. The most manipulative, dishonest person on that committee.
00:18:22.520 The Labour Party member, yes. 0.94
00:18:24.600 Indeed. So, you know, why can't we just release people, let them interface on merit, let them
00:18:34.060 thrive, let them grow as people, let them grow intellectually, and not basically sort of reduce
00:18:43.200 them to serfdom, which is what the socialists do.
00:18:47.240 Now, you're singing my tune, obviously. But the question, well, why can't we do that? And I think
00:18:53.500 that there's an underlying element of fear to it, as in what you're proposing is scary to people who
00:19:03.540 have, for, I mean, you know, for the last 20 plus years, been habituated to believe that they should
00:19:10.140 be dependents on government. And so the, I mean, the big selling point of the quangos, of the
00:19:16.240 committees, of the excessive regulation, is that, trust us, we will keep you safe, right? This is
00:19:22.620 going to, you know, your life might be getting worse, but at least you're, it's predictable that
00:19:27.940 tomorrow will become, will be much like today. And what you're offering them is unpredictability.
00:19:33.900 Now, I am the sort of person who enjoys taking risks. I personally love unpredictability, so you
00:19:39.040 never know what happens. But a lot of people aren't that way. So how do you persuade them that this is a
00:19:43.520 good thing for them?
00:19:44.980 Well, do you want to be run by the rainmakers and the risk takers? Or do you want to be run by
00:19:49.780 the risk-averse pork-barrellers who are living off the state? I know, I know which I'd rather have. 1.00
00:19:55.280 Well, I know what I'd rather, but, but a lot of, a lot of people will say, well, I don't know,
00:19:59.160 I'm a bit nervous about all of this. And so I've been, I've been thinking about this and I wonder
00:20:03.200 if there's room for like, I don't know, some sort of state-run charity or something so people could
00:20:07.820 donate to it. Well, I think people just got to get real, Carl. I mean, when Rachel Reid says she's
00:20:12.920 not going to tax working people, well, working people are a function of the people who employ them.
00:20:18.500 Yes. So if you overtax the people who employ them, you are going to damage the interests of
00:20:24.900 the working people. And I think a lot of people who work for family businesses and, you know,
00:20:31.400 I think they're the lifeblood of Britain. I don't like these corporates. They're, they're as almost
00:20:36.420 as rotten as the, as the state now. They're arms of the state. But people who run the companies
00:20:42.920 don't own them anymore. They have a tiny shareholding. It's owned by faceless pension
00:20:49.440 money. So there's no heart to those companies. So you get lots of injustice happening. Whereas
00:20:55.660 in family businesses, like, you know, we have family businesses, they all know who owns the
00:21:01.220 business. And if you behave badly, they're able to judge you. And quite rightly. And, you know,
00:21:07.180 those businesses lie at the heart of the community. If the businesses flourish, everybody else
00:21:12.480 flourishes. Yeah. If the businesses don't flourish, they don't employ people. And you're seeing,
00:21:18.260 I think, a government that doesn't understand how this country has been built. It's not been
00:21:25.380 built by central planners. It's been built by family businesses.
00:21:29.780 Nation of shopkeepers.
00:21:31.480 Who are, you know, they actually, they identify trends, they risk their own capital. And in
00:21:37.880 the end, they lubricate the growth of the economy. And through the growing economy, you end up
00:21:44.060 with effectively a better society. You end up with more money for the arts you end up with.
00:21:49.600 So the whole basis of it is to generate the wealth. And the Victorians, we owe a huge vote of
00:21:55.740 thanks to the Victorians, because they built up probably the greatest concentration of wealth
00:22:00.900 that the world's ever seen. Because they were diligent, they worked hard, they were clever,
00:22:07.940 they thought things through.
00:22:09.280 They were moral.
00:22:10.060 And I think a lot of the problems nowadays, and this is why Restore Britain, we're trying to do
00:22:13.620 proper research on subjects that actually go into more depth than just a 20-minute conversation
00:22:21.940 and a press conference the following day. These are proper documents that look at the
00:22:26.500 genesis of the issue. They look at how that can be solved, and then how you can actually
00:22:31.120 practically solve the sort of downstream effects of what's gone wrong.
00:22:36.700 So.
00:22:37.920 Well, can I pick you up on that? Because I think that you're, I mean, obviously, as an Englishman,
00:22:43.960 what you're describing just sounds like heaven to me, right? Yeah, I want, you know,
00:22:48.200 family-run businesses that, you know, dot the land and make everyone's lives better,
00:22:54.060 completely on board. But I wonder if the language of free markets is masking that.
00:23:01.240 Because I think that what a lot of people hear when they hear sort of Reaganite or Thatcherite
00:23:06.460 talking points on free markets, is they're thinking about like BlackRock or International
00:23:11.860 Capital, which is able to buy up tracts of land and buy up businesses and
00:23:17.560 shift them around the world and actually dislodge the local businesses from their own context.
00:23:26.860 But BlackRock and people are not the essence of capitalism. 0.97
00:23:30.080 They're almost monopolistic.
00:23:32.080 I agree. I agree.
00:23:33.280 And they are actually dangerous because the people at the top of those organizations,
00:23:37.220 I don't think their interests are entirely aligned with the British people.
00:23:41.000 Oh, I completely agree. But I think that's what people hear when they're hearing free market
00:23:45.400 rhetoric now. And it's not that I disagree with free market rhetoric. It's just if I think a lot
00:23:51.320 of these people perceive it as essentially having a country with no security against predatory
00:23:57.180 international capital. And so is there a better way of communicating what you're saying that
00:24:04.460 excludes what they are? Because I think that the free market rhetoric...
00:24:08.060 I think we've had capitalism for a very long time. So I think you've got to appreciate the fact that
00:24:13.500 we've had... And I saw it when I was in the city when I was young. You had an establishment that was
00:24:20.680 frightened of what they called systemic risk. So they bailed the banks out when the banks made a
00:24:28.140 mistake. Then we had long term capital management in America got bailed out. Then we had the 2000
00:24:35.020 glitch got bailed out. Then we had 08 bailed out. And in 1987, Greenspan, actually, who was the biggest
00:24:43.660 free marketeer, broke all of his own rules. And he closed the markets and intervened and saved Wall
00:24:52.520 Street at the time from collapse. It was literally... I mean, I was in the dealing room. And so I don't
00:24:58.800 think... I think this has been going on really post-war. So I don't think we've had true capitalism
00:25:03.560 for a very long time. And I think people have to accept that to come off the state's teat,
00:25:12.400 as I call it, is not going to be a very comfortable time. Because when you come off this delusional...
00:25:20.520 Any kind of... This delusional, what I call, economics, it takes a long time for real investment
00:25:28.100 to take effect. It takes a long time for the able people to appear and to feel confident
00:25:35.380 enough that they're going to risk their capital and to reposition the economy in a way that is
00:25:41.860 sustainable. So I don't promise a sort of an instant fix, because there isn't one. But what
00:25:49.080 I don't want to be is part of a road to serfdom, which is where I think we're going at the moment.
00:25:55.740 And I don't want my digital ID used. I don't want facial recognition cameras. I don't want the banks
00:26:04.000 telling me how I should live my life. I want to be free to make decisions that I think, in the
00:26:10.360 interest of myself, my family, my community, I don't want the state telling me what to do and
00:26:15.700 oppressing me, which is where I think we've got to now.
00:26:18.940 Oh, I mean, I completely agree. But the... So the issue I have is I don't want you to think
00:26:29.280 that I disagree with any of this, because I don't disagree with any of this. My thoughts
00:26:34.500 are more as a strategist, and it's like, right, okay, how do you sell this to people? How do
00:26:38.920 you make people understand that what you're actually offering is an ennobling of society
00:26:44.860 rather than a degradation of society that we're getting at the moment? And I think a lot of people
00:26:49.980 will hear this, and I think they'll be afraid, because a lot of people aren't... There's a large
00:26:57.660 number of people who are not as personally confident as someone like you or I. And so they will
00:27:04.720 withdraw into themselves. And if on the other side, you have a Labour government or Zach Polanski
00:27:11.180 offering them comfortable serfdom with no risks, no harms, no dangers, I think it's actually incumbent
00:27:21.600 on us to be able to make an argument that meets them on the level that they're at, to bring them
00:27:26.760 over to our side.
00:27:27.660 Well, I think people have got a choice to make, Carl, that they're either free and they're not
00:27:31.900 equal. Well, they're equal and they're not free.
00:27:34.840 I agree.
00:27:35.800 So it's that simple. I mean, if you want freedom, you have to accept meritocracy.
00:27:43.100 I agree. But the issue I'm trying to drive at is, how do you persuade people that actually
00:27:48.560 abandoning the chains is a good thing?
00:27:50.780 Well, this is the problem, and that's why it's difficult when you've got a lot of people
00:27:55.240 who are sucking off the teeth of the state, which we now have. 0.64
00:27:57.700 Because, I mean, approaching them saying, I offer you hardship. Now, to me, that sounds good,
00:28:04.620 actually. I like the sound of that.
00:28:06.560 A hair shirt for a bit.
00:28:08.200 And I completely agree with you. We need a government that is brave enough to admit all
00:28:14.840 the faults and just say, look, we're just going to power through this. It's going to be difficult
00:28:18.860 for the first few years, but we're going to make sure that, you know, your taxes are lower,
00:28:22.440 you have the opportunity, like Germany after World War II, actually. You know, you will 0.94
00:28:28.080 just have to just knuckle down and work for it.
00:28:30.320 It's not a difficult formula. You have to just slash the size of the state.
00:28:33.340 I agree.
00:28:34.220 And you have to then empower the people.
00:28:36.980 Of course.
00:28:37.440 You then hope that, and I believe that Britain's got the best people historically.
00:28:42.800 No question.
00:28:43.860 We've had people fleeing prosecution, whether they were the Jews, whether it was the Protestants,
00:28:48.820 that, you know, what happened in Europe.
00:28:50.780 Just look at the accomplishments of England and the history.
00:28:52.860 A lot of them came here.
00:28:53.180 We know we've got the best people.
00:28:54.020 Look at what we've achieved.
00:28:54.840 So I've got great belief in the rich people.
00:28:57.600 I'm worried at the moment that a lot of people are leaving.
00:29:00.320 And I raised that in Parliament last week.
00:29:02.380 I mean, I don't think Labour have any idea how much money is now in the hands of the baby
00:29:09.900 boomers and how many of them can quietly slip out of the country and take their money 1.00
00:29:15.720 with them.
00:29:16.140 And that's not going to be good for any of us.
00:29:20.000 So we don't want that.
00:29:21.780 No.
00:29:22.260 And the young people as well.
00:29:24.080 A lot of young people are going.
00:29:25.460 Upwardly mobile people are going to Australia and America.
00:29:29.480 Well, they're going to.
00:29:30.740 I don't think Australia is far behind us in terms of getting it wrong.
00:29:37.760 And you look at Albanese yesterday. 0.95
00:29:42.020 I mean, you know, these people come up with utter rubbish, don't they, when these tragedies 0.99
00:29:47.960 happen. 0.99
00:29:48.580 Oh, yeah.
00:29:48.920 And you hear all sorts of sort of what I call crocodile tears.
00:29:53.660 But, you know, they've played their part in creating an environment where this can happen.
00:29:59.120 They're weak people.
00:30:00.320 And they then come out with all these platitudinous sort of nonsens.
00:30:05.240 But the problem is a lot of our people are going.
00:30:08.280 One of my chaps recently went to Australia and he came back and he said, there's a large
00:30:12.520 expat community out there of Brits who just find it more pleasant and less intrusive.
00:30:20.120 And we should be following that model, which is, of course, I think we should.
00:30:24.300 I mean, look, Perth.
00:30:25.600 I used to do business in Perth in Western Australia.
00:30:28.760 I love it.
00:30:31.180 I mean, I've often thought, I mean, from a personal comfort and safety point of view,
00:30:38.060 Perth is in the middle of nowhere.
00:30:40.680 It's got the oldest rocks in the world.
00:30:43.180 You have a fantastic risk-taking appetite because that's where you go.
00:30:48.480 Well, the front is money.
00:30:49.680 To buy gold mining stocks and uranium mining stocks and rare earth stocks.
00:30:55.700 I mean, it's fantastic.
00:30:56.400 I love it.
00:30:57.080 It's my, you know, I love that sort of thing.
00:30:59.960 And it's got virtually no population.
00:31:03.100 So Western Australia, I think it's eight times the size of the UK or something.
00:31:07.640 And it's got a population of, what, three, four million tiny, maybe even less, something
00:31:15.040 like that.
00:31:16.300 So you've got space.
00:31:17.940 You've got great weather.
00:31:19.620 You've got safety.
00:31:21.260 You've got, as I say, mining.
00:31:25.120 I mean, if people haven't been to Kalgoorlie, Kalgoorlie is just a cultural experience everybody
00:31:30.300 should have, where, you know, it was a prospecting frontiers town.
00:31:36.320 Boom and bust.
00:31:37.360 You know, people went out.
00:31:39.920 They worked hard.
00:31:41.780 They played hard.
00:31:43.640 I mean, that's the sort of society I think I like.
00:31:48.300 So I can see myself living in Perth.
00:31:50.440 But do I think Australia's got it right?
00:31:53.680 Politically, definitely not.
00:31:54.860 Well, I'm not saying that they're on the right trajectory.
00:31:57.920 But I think that we're far further along the path of statism than they are at the moment.
00:32:03.600 But we're leading them.
00:32:04.640 We are, unfortunately.
00:32:05.660 And the point being, how do we persuade young people that actually – because, I mean,
00:32:14.580 young people overwhelmingly vote left-wing, even though they're the ones who would be 1.00
00:32:18.280 standing to gain the most out of a more libertarian free market society.
00:32:24.160 Because, of course, they're the ones who work hard and have, you know, developed new skills
00:32:28.880 in new areas.
00:32:30.340 So, you know, it's not the old men like us who are developing the new technology.
00:32:33.900 But I'm encouraged by the Gen Z, Kal. 0.99
00:32:36.380 They're a huge part of our support base.
00:32:38.580 Oh, yeah.
00:32:39.300 And they are – in a way, they've been let down by, as you say, these old lags above 0.99
00:32:45.120 them who have, if you like, taken opportunity away from them.
00:32:49.100 I think they can see that.
00:32:50.980 So they want opportunity.
00:32:53.240 They want a life.
00:32:54.500 They want to build.
00:32:55.940 You know, and I'm with them.
00:32:57.040 I understand their anger.
00:33:00.900 And they're far more right-wing than I am.
00:33:02.880 I know.
00:33:03.500 I mean, I'm just a common-sense operator.
00:33:07.180 I like things to add up.
00:33:08.560 Yeah.
00:33:08.840 These people want their country back.
00:33:11.140 And I don't blame them.
00:33:13.000 So that is a ray of light shining in at the bottom of the pile.
00:33:20.860 And who would have believed it?
00:33:22.200 They've been brought up in these woke schools with the most appalling ideologies, and yet
00:33:29.780 they've rejected all that.
00:33:31.480 And these are now rampantly, arguably capitalistic, logical people who want to fight for something,
00:33:40.940 which is good.
00:33:41.400 So what do you see happening between now and, I mean, do you even see the election coming
00:33:48.440 in 2029?
00:33:50.620 Obviously, look, Labour, to your point, I think they're going to get eviscerated at the next
00:33:55.700 election, whatever happens now.
00:33:57.200 So I think they'll hang on for as long as they can, doing as much damage as they can, driving
00:34:03.940 these ridiculous, you know, ideological agendas, like getting rid of the jury trial, which I
00:34:08.680 think is terrible. 1.00
00:34:10.080 You know, all the stuff they've done, God, you just can't believe how idiotic they are. 1.00
00:34:15.740 Well, it seems very desperate, right? 1.00
00:34:17.200 It's ideological.
00:34:18.220 It has to be.
00:34:18.740 But it also feels desperate, as in, you know, this feels like they know that this is going
00:34:25.540 to be the last opportunity they'll ever get to do anything like this.
00:34:28.600 Well, breaking the backbone of Britain for what?
00:34:30.760 So you can fund an indolent, bloated state, you know, taxing family businesses, which I've
00:34:37.280 just been talking about, which are the key, the backbone of Britain.
00:34:40.700 Taxing family farms, backbone of Britain.
00:34:43.320 These are the policies we've had in the past have held Britain together.
00:34:48.740 Held communities together, held the country together.
00:34:51.660 It's not London.
00:34:52.900 It's the country that matters.
00:34:54.420 That's the body of Britain that's still intact.
00:34:57.180 And what they're doing is now attacking that.
00:34:59.680 And people can see it.
00:35:01.220 So I think they're going to get mullered in the regions, in the agricultural constituencies.
00:35:08.280 They're going to get mullered by people who basically care about their community and
00:35:12.880 their family business.
00:35:13.740 They're going to get mullered by anyone who basically is suffering as a result of what
00:35:20.540 Labour are doing.
00:35:21.980 So in answer to your question, though, could we have an early election?
00:35:27.380 Well, we could.
00:35:28.240 And I think the thing that will potentially bring on an early election will make things
00:35:33.500 even worse for Labour, which is going to be a collapsing economy.
00:35:37.680 So I think our economy, I don't understand economically how sterling is holding up.
00:35:45.940 I just don't get it.
00:35:47.520 So something very odd going on there, whether the central banks are manipulating the currency.
00:35:53.220 I think we've got to stage now where you've got this schism between the consuming nations,
00:36:00.820 which are us, and the producing nations, which are largely Asia and China.
00:36:08.260 And while those countries that are doing all the work are happy to accept our paper,
00:36:14.480 everything works fine.
00:36:16.160 But the minute they say, well, hang on a sec, why are we accepting this piece of bog roll 1.00
00:36:22.300 for all of this enterprise that we've done?
00:36:26.020 Then you've got a problem.
00:36:26.800 And you are beginning to see signs of it.
00:36:29.220 So I was reading an article the other day.
00:36:30.640 China is backing the yuan with gold.
00:36:34.240 Oh, really?
00:36:35.080 Yeah.
00:36:35.680 And you are starting to see, I think, a shift from what I call the consuming currencies to
00:36:46.320 the producing currencies.
00:36:48.020 And you've got, obviously, the emergence of the BRICs.
00:36:52.480 You've got the Russia, the India, the China.
00:36:54.960 So you've got these countries that are, I think, beginning to see.
00:37:00.080 So I've always said credit is suspicion of sleep.
00:37:04.220 Tucker Carlson liked that.
00:37:06.380 I think the suspicion is growing.
00:37:08.860 So I think the suspicion between the consumers and the producers is actually getting to the
00:37:16.880 stage where you could see some form of currency carnage.
00:37:21.660 I think that's what we're heading for.
00:37:23.300 So when that happens, countries like us who are relying on strong currency, even though
00:37:30.480 we haven't got a strong economy, then you suffer.
00:37:33.860 And you think that might happen before 2029.
00:37:35.340 But naturally, then, if you believe in floating currencies, which I do, that's why I didn't
00:37:39.760 like the euro, sterling will come down.
00:37:43.080 And then you start to get capital formation because our economy starts to become competitive
00:37:47.720 again.
00:37:48.460 Right.
00:37:48.980 And Jimmy Goldsmith talked about this in 94.5.
00:37:52.120 He was absolutely spot on.
00:37:53.860 He said, what are we doing?
00:37:55.480 We're outsourcing all of our knowledge, all of our skill sets, all of our investment.
00:38:01.900 We're outsourcing it to different countries.
00:38:05.200 And what we're doing is laying the seeds of our own destruction.
00:38:09.080 Correct.
00:38:09.320 And that's what's happened.
00:38:10.960 So at the moment, gold's going up.
00:38:15.080 That tells you something.
00:38:16.540 Precious metals are flying.
00:38:19.140 Suspicion is growing.
00:38:20.780 And that could destroy the British economy.
00:38:25.760 And then Labour are finished because they will not be able to keep this going.
00:38:29.940 They've taxed the private sector into oblivion.
00:38:32.880 They're funding a bloated state that's dishonest now.
00:38:35.940 As I've just said to you, they don't bother with audited accounts.
00:38:39.000 If you or I don't bother with audited accounts, we end up being banned from being a director
00:38:43.220 or even worse, in prison.
00:38:45.600 And if you don't pay your taxes, you know, I was talking at the committee last week and
00:38:50.860 I said, so can you define, they were talking about missing data.
00:38:54.300 I said, so what do you mean by missing data?
00:38:58.340 Oh, well, this is data that hasn't been made available.
00:39:01.620 I said, well, if I tell HMRC that I'm terribly sorry, I've got a lot of missing data.
00:39:09.460 And I therefore don't know how much money I've made.
00:39:11.840 They say to me, well, I'm terribly sorry.
00:39:13.220 We think you've made this much.
00:39:14.400 Therefore, you must pay this much.
00:39:15.940 Yes.
00:39:16.500 That doesn't happen to the state.
00:39:18.480 So people need to understand the state is their enemy.
00:39:21.940 It's working against us all.
00:39:24.000 What, what, how long would people like Keir Starmer, Rachel Reeves, Angela Rayner, you
00:39:31.580 know, Bridget Phillips and Powell, how long would these people all survive in a real capitalist
00:39:37.780 society?
00:39:38.600 Well, the answer is no time at all, which is why they don't want it.
00:39:41.700 They'd be cleaning people's shoes, Carl.
00:39:43.200 Yes.
00:39:44.160 Because they are not able people.
00:39:45.900 No.
00:39:47.060 So, but, so do you think this is going to happen before 2029?
00:39:51.680 Is that what you're saying?
00:39:52.540 I think it could happen at any time.
00:39:54.420 I, I, I don't know.
00:39:57.400 I mean, I am amazed because I've, you know, we've laid people off.
00:40:02.120 Other people are laying people off.
00:40:03.320 Look at the unemployment figures they're going up.
00:40:05.720 And with what she's done with national insurance, she's put a tax on employment.
00:40:09.440 Oh, it's insane.
00:40:10.020 So it's going to affect working people.
00:40:12.100 Yes.
00:40:12.780 And it's going to affect the growth in the economy, already seeing that the economy is
00:40:16.520 beginning to actually slow down quite fast.
00:40:20.300 Well, there was a recession.
00:40:22.420 We're, we're, we're, we're technically about to enter a recession.
00:40:25.780 So I think Christmas is here.
00:40:29.360 So everybody concentrates on Christmas, but they spend the December, they get paid early
00:40:35.100 in December.
00:40:35.940 Yeah.
00:40:36.140 And then suddenly they don't have any money to see themselves through January to get to
00:40:41.060 the pay, to paycheck.
00:40:42.840 So I, I think we're in a, we're in a, we're in a, we're in a vicious circle downwards.
00:40:48.740 And I think that, so in answer to your question, they won't go to the country unless they have 0.99
00:40:53.940 to.
00:40:54.400 The one thing I think could force them to the country is if we do get an economic collapse. 0.80
00:41:00.220 And, and I, I can't see how we can call ourselves a functioning, growing economy when we spend
00:41:09.120 all our money on welfare.
00:41:10.300 Well, we're not.
00:41:11.300 Bizarre.
00:41:11.980 I mean, the, the, the, the, the, the way the Labour government taxes.
00:41:15.960 Welfare and state pensions.
00:41:17.360 It's just predatory though.
00:41:18.840 It's just a predatory government.
00:41:20.360 It's genuinely, I remember reading a book about fascist economics years ago called Vampire
00:41:26.660 Economy.
00:41:27.760 And the, it was done by a German communist economist in the forties who'd lived through
00:41:33.700 Nazi Germany.
00:41:34.780 And he said, look, the, the, the fascist government just becomes like a vampire on the state, on
00:41:39.500 the, on the country, draining as much out of it as it can for its own purposes.
00:41:44.920 Isn't that what we're seeing now here?
00:41:46.140 That, that's exactly what I was going to say.
00:41:48.480 Like this, the, the.
00:41:50.420 The book I always liked was, I think we've talked about this, is, is, is the Protestant
00:41:53.860 Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism by Max Weber.
00:41:56.640 Right.
00:41:57.240 Where I think you need, you need honesty to build, it's like building a bank, you know,
00:42:04.000 bankers took a generation to build their bank and it took a week to destroy the bank.
00:42:09.140 A week of recklessness or dishonesty.
00:42:12.320 Yeah.
00:42:12.400 So I think, you know, a Protestant ethic, and if you look at a lot of the success of
00:42:17.300 the, you know, those, those businesses that, you know, in, in, in Norfolk in particular,
00:42:23.580 where, where, where you had the Quakers and, you know, the honest people who, who actually 1.00
00:42:27.980 trusted each other and could trust each other, their businesses flourished.
00:42:31.960 The Cadbury's, the Roundtree's, you know, all, all, all those sort of, uh, the Barclays
00:42:37.120 Bank was all based on a lot of landowners from Norfolk and Essex.
00:42:41.200 So I, I think our countries become dishonest and in, in a dishonest society, you need to 0.73
00:42:49.380 be a good liar, a bit like the communists. 0.65
00:42:51.320 Yeah. 0.94
00:42:51.600 So I don't, I don't like that.
00:42:53.360 I like people who are upfront and honest and say what they think, even if you don't agree
00:42:57.620 with them.
00:42:58.120 And that way you get at the truth.
00:42:59.960 So I, I think we're in dangerous times.
00:43:02.700 I think we're in dishonest times.
00:43:04.880 I think we're in times where the state is acting in its own interests, not in the interests
00:43:08.860 of the people it's supposed to be serving.
00:43:11.320 And the British people need to stand up to it because if they don't, they're going to
00:43:14.320 lose their freedom.
00:43:15.500 So let's, uh, finish with what's next for Restore Britain.
00:43:18.880 Um, so I understand that you're, uh, engaging the, the rape gang inquiry is ongoing.
00:43:24.100 You've just, the rape gang inquiry, we are going to continue with that.
00:43:27.400 So when the government six months ago announced the statutory inquiry, which I think was in
00:43:32.360 response to what we were doing.
00:43:33.500 It absolutely was.
00:43:35.000 Uh, they, I was told, oh, I could stand down.
00:43:38.560 We're not standing down because we, we know that this is not something that any of the organs
00:43:45.340 of the establishment want to come out.
00:43:47.200 And we, and the more we've been doing our work, the more vile and the more in systemically
00:43:52.760 embedded it is in our, in our, across the country.
00:43:55.060 And they're not just a few little places.
00:43:57.120 The thing is, we know that they don't want it because they all voted against it.
00:44:00.240 Right.
00:44:00.600 So we start sending out, uh, invitations to people to our hearing, which is going to be
00:44:05.140 in the first two weeks of February.
00:44:06.500 Great.
00:44:07.080 What happens?
00:44:08.260 They appoint a labor peer to be the chairman of their, of their inquiry.
00:44:14.620 Right.
00:44:15.140 And they tell us the timetable for their inquiry means that nothing, no truth will come out
00:44:21.100 till 28.
00:44:23.540 So all you need is a little slip in the timetable.
00:44:26.180 And guess what?
00:44:27.520 Won't come out before the next election.
00:44:30.240 So I, you know, I offered our help in the house, uh, and I got told if you've got any
00:44:35.880 information, we are the statutory inquiry, give it to us.
00:44:40.080 So we're going to carry on.
00:44:41.680 I've got, we've got two weeks of hearings.
00:44:43.620 We've got a very able barrister who's going to hear it all.
00:44:48.380 He's then going to produce a report hopefully by April, uh, end of March, April, depending
00:44:54.640 on how long it takes him.
00:44:55.580 And it's going to be really hard hitting.
00:44:58.580 So we're going to, we are going to be fulfilling what 20,000 people donated to.
00:45:06.760 Yeah.
00:45:06.800 We're going to deliver them.
00:45:08.360 A report that shows how widespread this vileness was.
00:45:14.800 And we are going to then look at the people who failed to look after those people they're
00:45:21.680 supposed to be looking after.
00:45:22.780 I think, I think...
00:45:23.560 We may well then, Carl, indulge in some private prosecutions because the state won't do it.
00:45:29.740 So somebody's got to do it.
00:45:31.300 And if we don't have enough money left, bearing in mind, we only raised 600,000, the J report
00:45:35.760 costs 186 million of taxpayers money.
00:45:38.340 Yeah.
00:45:38.920 But we, I think 20,000 people cared about this.
00:45:43.320 We had some tiny donations from people who probably couldn't afford it, but they care.
00:45:47.300 They care more than the Labour government who should be dealing with this.
00:45:54.200 Well, I think the...
00:45:55.280 Jess Phillips smirks in Parliament when we talk about this. 1.00
00:45:58.720 It's a joke.
00:45:59.520 I know.
00:45:59.980 I think a lot of people are interested in seeing the connections between the Labour government,
00:46:06.520 the councils, the police, and the gangs.
00:46:09.280 Because I think that there probably is a lot of connective tissue between them, which is,
00:46:13.880 I think, why the Labour government has been so reticent to do anything about it.
00:46:18.360 I think they know they're complicit.
00:46:20.420 I've just got to give credit to my entire team, particularly led by Sammy Woodhouse, who
00:46:24.820 was herself a victim.
00:46:27.400 And I think, you know, she is driven to bring this out.
00:46:33.000 And we can tell you it's still happening in London.
00:46:35.540 Oh, yeah.
00:46:35.960 Sadiq Khan can bob and weave, but the fact of the matter is, this is still going on today.
00:46:41.500 Yeah.
00:46:41.660 It's slightly changed in the way in which it's perpetrated, but it's still happening.
00:46:47.500 And I don't think this country can move on to...
00:46:50.080 We've exposed this to, as I call, the sanity of sunlight.
00:46:55.500 And we have effectively allowed people to understand why it happened, how it happened,
00:47:03.160 and how so many people failed in their duty to actually bring those people who were doing it to book.
00:47:09.100 Meanwhile, they're happy to send Lucy Conley to prison for a social media post, which is a joke.
00:47:15.020 Yeah.
00:47:15.620 What else is Restore Britain?
00:47:16.880 So Restore...
00:47:18.380 Look, we've got a great young team.
00:47:20.160 I know.
00:47:20.480 And you know a lot of them.
00:47:22.600 I do.
00:47:23.240 They are, I think, entirely...
00:47:26.820 I like to devolve power to them, and they do a great job in getting on with it.
00:47:33.680 So we are driving our membership.
00:47:35.240 That's growing.
00:47:35.920 We've had some big donations.
00:47:38.740 We are producing research like we did on mass deportation.
00:47:45.040 And we've got another one that's about to come through.
00:47:48.680 So this is proper research.
00:47:50.520 And I think what we're trying to do is unify common sense thought.
00:47:54.780 And the reason I set up a movement, because I didn't want to set up another party and be divisive.
00:48:02.240 And so far, it's worked.
00:48:03.360 The Tories have put me on the Public Accounts Committee credit to them.
00:48:07.140 I get on very well with all the Tories.
00:48:08.920 I think there's some very good young Tories.
00:48:10.300 I talked to Ben Habib, who I think shares a lot of what we want to achieve, although his view was he wanted a party.
00:48:20.840 In fact, he called it Advance UK, which, as I've told you before, I think sounds like a toothpaste brand rather than a party.
00:48:27.340 That's up to him.
00:48:28.280 But I like Ben very much, and I talked to him.
00:48:32.320 I think he's a good man.
00:48:33.200 He shares our broad sentiments, and I think we should all be supporting each other.
00:48:37.880 I agree.
00:48:38.160 So I think the reform membership are good people.
00:48:44.020 I don't think the reform leadership are good people, because they're trying to put me in prison, for whatever reason.
00:48:49.540 And notice how they've never walked that back at all.
00:48:52.480 You know, Rupert Lowe, he tried to murder me, and he has dementia, and nothing came right. 0.98
00:48:57.180 Well, people who were with me know that's powerful rubbish. 0.98
00:48:59.300 Well, I know, I know. 0.99
00:49:00.420 But the point is, it's powerful rubbish. 0.67
00:49:02.280 Nigel even said he had meetings with me the other day, apparently, which would be in a Spectator article, where I, you know, he couldn't be in the room with me for more than three minutes, and I lost my temper. 0.83
00:49:12.020 I mean, I have never lost my temper in front of Nigel.
00:49:15.100 And it is quite extraordinary. 1.00
00:49:17.440 He peddles such rubbish. 0.79
00:49:19.280 I can only conclude that he's worried about the fact that we are growing the common sense thought and trying to unite rather than divide. 0.99
00:49:31.920 And I, you know, I don't want to see a divided right or divided common sense wing of Britain let in a Polanski, you know, Lib Dem Labour coalition, because that really would be time to up stumps and move on and leave this place to fester in its own rotting sewage.
00:50:00.320 So, look, I, we've got to fight for it now.
00:50:05.080 I've always said publicly, we must achieve this by 29.
00:50:10.020 We have to start the process now, which I think we've already done.
00:50:14.020 And we have to be active until then.
00:50:16.800 And then I don't know how the cards are going to fall.
00:50:19.320 Right.
00:50:19.540 So there isn't a particular plan to enter into a particular party or anything like that?
00:50:25.340 I, we have to have a, a body which understands what needs to be done and doesn't have any legacy issues which are going to hold us back.
00:50:38.140 Okay.
00:50:38.480 So whichever entity offers us that opportunity is the entity to restore Britain with.
00:50:46.720 Okay.
00:50:47.160 Finally, let me ask you about Great Yarmouth First.
00:50:50.100 Yes.
00:50:50.900 Because that was a surprising success.
00:50:54.080 Well, Great Yarmouth First, the genesis of that, Carl, was I have a business forum in Great Yarmouth every three months where we have about 80 or 90 people come to talk to us.
00:51:05.980 And I like to understand from the local community what they want to see change.
00:51:11.860 So at each of these meetings, we talk about, you know, what's happening with the local council, what's happening really across Great Yarmouth.
00:51:20.460 And a lot of them have got much, much better intelligence than I've got because they're all working within the community.
00:51:27.240 And it's encouraging a lot of Great Yarmouth businesses do work together to try and support each other, which I like very much.
00:51:32.780 So at the meeting, I said, we've got three opportunities with regard to the upcoming county council elections, which, again, Labour could try and cancel them still.
00:51:46.080 They've canceled the mayoral elections, which I think is a disgrace, and they're going to try.
00:51:49.460 And I think they're probably going to – they could try.
00:51:52.440 But I think there'd be an outcry now.
00:51:54.760 I mean, I spoke strongly in Parliament against it.
00:51:57.280 It would be completely undemocratic, and I don't think the British people would like it. 0.95
00:52:01.520 So I hope they don't try.
00:52:02.320 Well, it'd be the third time, wouldn't it, that there'd cancel elections?
00:52:05.540 I said we can do three things.
00:52:08.480 We can either sit it out.
00:52:09.900 We can support the Tories, or we can set up Great Yarmouth first.
00:52:16.900 What do you want to do?
00:52:19.460 Unanimous vote to set up Great Yarmouth first.
00:52:22.560 So I said, well, look, I haven't got a lot of bandwidth to do this stuff.
00:52:27.860 I'm the chairman.
00:52:29.220 Yeah.
00:52:29.900 I said, I'll seed it with my first – with a month's salary, which I did.
00:52:33.780 And – but then it's up to you, because you've got to fight for your own local community.
00:52:43.040 And if you believe in your local community and you fight for it,
00:52:46.820 you're probably going to win all the seats there.
00:52:49.020 And then when they do set up this homunculus of what I call a unitary sort of authority, 0.99
00:52:56.160 which is going to amalgamate lots of bits of shit together, 0.99
00:53:01.000 and you end up with one big bit of shit, in my view, which doesn't reflect local democracy, 0.99
00:53:07.360 I actually quite like the Borough Council and the County Council. 0.99
00:53:11.320 I think it brings a sort of local flavour to it.
00:53:14.700 So Great Yarmouth will have nine seats on the County Council if the elections go ahead next May.
00:53:21.440 And then when this unitary nonsense, which I think is Angela Rayner's sort of –
00:53:27.000 Centralisation bid.
00:53:28.260 More centralisation, more central planning, less accountability, more oppression,
00:53:35.000 you know, more sort of serfdom for the people.
00:53:37.140 More remote governance.
00:53:38.600 That's it.
00:53:39.120 That's it.
00:53:39.660 So it's terrible.
00:53:40.440 But at least Great Yarmouth will then have nine seats on whatever comes out of the sausage machine.
00:53:49.940 We don't know what that's going to be yet.
00:53:51.160 But I've found it very interesting.
00:53:53.620 And it could be the model across the country.
00:53:55.540 If other people decide to take back their control, their destiny, I like that.
00:54:00.320 That's what they should do.
00:54:01.320 That's what I was thinking, because the fact that instantly it was polling at 44% in the constituency.
00:54:06.320 We polled 44%, yeah.
00:54:08.220 That's pretty incredible.
00:54:09.900 It's their party.
00:54:10.400 Why wouldn't they vote for it?
00:54:12.740 Exactly.
00:54:13.400 Why wouldn't you vote for it?
00:54:14.680 And it does suggest a model for the future where you actually have a coalition of independent
00:54:19.780 parties that are interested in actually representing their own constituency.
00:54:25.260 So you can have Oxford first, Swindon first, Great Yarmouth first, Clacton first.
00:54:29.640 You know, you can have all of these rather than the sort of monolithic national parties.
00:54:33.740 Well, isn't it nice to think the Great Yarmouth, the Hanseatic League port, which it is, could
00:54:39.240 lead the way in re-democratizing Britain?
00:54:42.480 I think it's rather good, don't you?
00:54:44.140 I think it's spectacular.
00:54:45.360 The bedrock of British people on the coastal communities have been let down by all parties
00:54:50.680 post-war, leading the charge to get their democracy back.
00:54:55.220 That would be rich irony, wouldn't it?
00:54:58.020 I think it would be good.
00:54:58.760 It would be wonderful.
00:54:59.500 But this is the thing.
00:55:00.840 It's actually quite inspirational how so many people in Great Yarmouth have recognized,
00:55:06.200 oh, this is a good idea for us.
00:55:08.220 And if they are leading the charge and set an example to the rest of us.
00:55:11.900 All I can tell you, Carl, is that they are, we've had some leaflets printed and they are
00:55:16.100 fired up.
00:55:17.360 Really?
00:55:18.360 And I think, you know, when local people are fired up about local things, that's how you
00:55:24.360 get change.
00:55:25.040 Very interesting.
00:55:26.260 Well, thank you very much for joining me.
00:55:27.840 Pleasure.
00:55:28.520 The voice just about held out.
00:55:29.940 Yeah, just about.
00:55:30.880 And good luck with Great Yarmouth first.
00:55:32.800 I think it's genuinely the most exciting thing that's happened in British politics in a long
00:55:35.980 time, actually.
00:55:37.380 Hopefully other people will.
00:55:38.300 Do you think they'll follow?
00:55:39.080 Hopefully they will.
00:55:39.660 Hopefully.
00:55:40.520 I mean, what are they going to lose?
00:55:42.820 And what do they stand to lose?
00:55:44.000 It's so boring, all this inter-Nissan warfare between Labour, the Lib Dems.
00:55:49.000 I'm just tired of it.
00:55:49.840 The Tories and the Greens.
00:55:52.040 And I don't care about any of them.
00:55:53.520 And I don't think any of them are here to help anyone.
00:55:55.940 And, I mean, ultimately, none of them are going to get the drains unclogged.
00:55:59.940 None of them are going to get the potholes filled.
00:56:01.740 No.
00:56:02.140 None of them are going to get my taxes down.
00:56:05.000 You know, what do you stand to lose?
00:56:06.660 No.
00:56:07.140 Absolutely nothing.
00:56:08.120 Some passion.
00:56:08.920 I think it'll bring some passion into local politics.
00:56:11.080 Yeah, I agree.
00:56:11.380 What we want.
00:56:12.160 Thanks so much for joining me.
00:56:13.180 Pleasure.
00:56:13.400 Pleasure.
00:56:25.300 Pleasure.
00:56:26.060 Pleasure.
00:56:27.900 Pleasure.
00:56:28.740 Pleasure.
00:56:51.040 Pleasure.