The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Collapse of the Centre

00:00:00.000 Hi folks, welcome back to another one of these current events political chats that Dan and I

00:00:05.700 have decided to start having because there's a lot that's going on in British politics at the

00:00:10.680 moment but it's going on under the surface and so I don't think as much attention to it is being

00:00:15.440 called upon as is warranted because a lot of things have happened but they're small things

00:00:20.660 but they're indicative of trends that are I think at some point going to kind of erupt out of the

00:00:26.720 political environment and someone to talk about them so let's talk about some of the council

00:00:30.740 by election results that come in recently as you can see here this is in Exmouth Halston in East Devon

00:00:38.440 where the Labour vote just completely collapsed. So when you say things are under the surface are

00:00:43.720 you talking about the Tories and Labour's prospect of ever forming a government again? Well yeah

00:00:48.040 actually that's I actually do think we might be looking at the last Labour government and I was

00:00:54.880 tweeting about this the other day because it seems that the coalition that made up the Labour Party

00:01:00.640 is just completely fractured at this point. The Labour right as they call it made up of you know

00:01:08.840 managerial Blairite types were able to corral the working class and the radical student politics types

00:01:16.500 into the same coalition but that seems to have just completely been a blister. Well that's an interesting

00:01:20.660 question I mean who are the extant Labour managerialist Blairites I mean I can think of Andy Burnham but

00:01:30.420 after that I kind of come up short and he's not actually even in the Parliamentary Labour Party at this point.

00:01:35.000 Well we'll talk about the Parliamentary Labour Party in a minute but the question really is who is

00:01:38.420 their constituency and the answer is civil servants and NHS workers. Well and immigrants and well but they're losing them.

00:01:44.660 Well exactly it's it's not even the immigrants right and it seems that basically Labour were trying to pull in

00:01:51.360 too many various parties into the coalition that were too contradictory. So it's one thing having the

00:01:57.620 working class base and then the sort of student politics and the managerial elites all in the same

00:02:03.480 party that's quite a rough coalition and you can see how the you know liberal managerial elites are in

00:02:10.320 direct opposition to the working class base who are themselves deeply parochial whereas the elite

00:02:15.480 elites are international and frankly oikophobic. And then having the radical woke sort of student

00:02:23.040 politics crammed in on that well you're going to have to make a choice do you want the radical woke

00:02:27.360 stuff that wants infinite open borders and immigrants or do you want the working class base

00:02:31.480 and the liberal elite chose the ones that they felt most comfortable with which are the radical students.

00:02:36.520 And in addition to that they thought okay we're also going to be the party of Islam

00:02:39.280 reform and immigrants which I think really sealed the deal for the working class base and it turns

00:02:45.060 out the working class base was millions of votes. Yeah. Turns out that was huge. I mean to be fair

00:02:49.220 they did win the last election but I mean how did they do that they they did it then by having the

00:02:53.460 immigrant vote. Well they did it by luck because reform came in and smacked the Tories. I mean they

00:02:57.960 still did get enough votes to form a government and and that would have been the immigrant vote which

00:03:03.440 as we're I'm sure we're going to talk about is is peeling away from them because they've got a more

00:03:07.340 pure form alternative. It was the old left because I mean there was a certain age of which people just

00:03:12.440 never changed their vote. Yeah. Old lefties but then there's also the sort of student lefties as

00:03:17.060 well but I mean they're a fairly unstable coalition. I mean one because they're zoomers and they don't

00:03:21.540 care about the shibboleths of the past. There are a lot of millennials in that as well. Yeah a fair number

00:03:25.880 but they're in the process of growing up as well. They are. But also these people tend to at some point

00:03:30.760 you know these these university lefties they want to grow up and they want to get a job and eventually they start

00:03:35.260 looking at their pay packet they start looking at their children and they're thinking what's my

00:03:39.700 future here? What are my kids future? You know what I I actually I actually think that a lot of them

00:03:45.740 are actually going more left-wing because yeah but I and I I have experience of this in uh in people

00:03:52.420 I know personally who are diagonal leftists always voted Labour but now going up to the Greens just

00:03:58.100 because Labour are too right way. Right. Labour have admitted that they're committed to reality

00:04:04.020 right. The dream is off the table for Labour and so they're like oh I'll go to the other party that

00:04:10.100 sells me the dream then and that's why the Greens are doing. Well I guess they're peeling away in both

00:04:13.460 directions then because I mean I was thinking of somebody like Aaron Bastani who's um may you know

00:04:18.380 maybe our age maybe a little bit younger um but I mean he's an example of somebody who's who's on the

00:04:23.160 left very committed built a brand as being on the left but started paying taxes and having children

00:04:27.660 and looking around and thinking what the hell is this is giving to them so you get that natural

00:04:31.920 peel away as people start to experience life they start to leave the left but you're talking about

00:04:37.040 the true believers. I'm talking about the sort of Ash Sarkar types who otherwise would have been

00:04:41.240 committed to the Labour Party but have decided the Labour Party far too right wing is now peeling off to

00:04:45.140 the Greens right so it's the the Labour coalition is just completely collapsing everywhere and these

00:04:51.600 these by-election results were a great example where reformers have just eaten the entire Labour

00:04:55.720 votes in East Devon there. The Conservatives are like you say the the people who'd never changed

00:05:02.500 their vote well that's 25 percent boomers and the Lib Dems being Middle England who are struggling a

00:05:08.000 little bit there you'll notice that they've lost a bit too they're losing ground because reality is

00:05:12.840 slowly but surely catching up even to East Devon one of again one of the most homogenous parts of the

00:05:18.240 country and a true sort of English Arcadia still. I mean at first blush I'm kind of confused that the

00:05:25.420 Conservatives are holding up as well but then I suppose this is against the last election which

00:05:29.500 was an absolutely crippling year for the Conservatives. Yeah but also Devon is still an

00:05:35.100 edil you know where nothing ever happens. It's the Shire. It is genuinely it's like it's going to be the last

00:05:40.380 Shire as well probably because it's so far to the west. But then you have Middlesbrough which is another

00:05:47.160 interesting result in which reform gained from the Lib Dems which is very interesting. Yeah.

00:05:54.840 So obviously the majority for non-US viewers this is this is more northern this is more working class

00:05:59.520 much more so than the last one. It is but it was still a Lib Dem council seat and as you can see

00:06:05.820 reform have eaten the Conservative and Labour votes but also a bit into the Lib Dem vote because like I

00:06:11.340 said like we talked about in the last episode of this the Lib Dems and reform are actually the same

00:06:16.780 constituency just differentiated on the size of their gardens. Yes. They're both Englishmen they're

00:06:23.200 both English voters it's just how prosperous are they and the fact the Lib Dems are going down

00:06:27.940 indicates their prosperity is going down also. So this is another interesting move and then in

00:06:35.840 Labour heartland such as Liverpool well the Greens are chewing them up. Very northern very working class

00:06:41.740 I mean this is. Liverpool's kind of its own thing I wouldn't even call it northern you know it's

00:06:45.840 like Liverpool's got its own personal identity but it's always been just Labour stronghold for decades

00:06:51.880 decades. Grievance culture. Oh yeah. Funny accents all that sort of thing. Yeah we're not English we're

00:06:57.340 Scouse. Yeah. But even there reform are on 18 percent and the Conservatives dying out Lib Dems no hold

00:07:04.240 because they're not really an English city. And the Labour Party getting absolutely crushed by the

00:07:10.400 Greens. So the Greens are interesting to me because I don't know you're lumping reform and the Lib Dems

00:07:17.020 in together because they're the same type of person to look at. Yeah. Grant you that. But ideologically

00:07:22.820 I'd say the Greens and the Liberal Democrats are probably closer because both of them are parties which

00:07:28.340 are basically just fundamentally unreality. So not really right. So the Liberal Democrats for them

00:07:37.640 they believe in the how to describe it the radical traditionalism of England right. They assume all of

00:07:49.160 that in the same way that the reform voters want all of that. But the Greens hate all of that right. So

00:07:54.400 the Greens would if Ed Davey and a Green were sat there and the argument was should there be loud

00:08:00.440 noises on the train the Green would say sure it's part of their culture. It's what immigrants are

00:08:04.200 like. Ed Davey would put on a swastika and start goose stepping around the stage. Right. I think

00:08:08.840 that's an interesting way of framing it. The Lib Dems just assume everything that reform want. And that

00:08:14.440 strikes me because I live in an area which is very very Lib Dem. Yeah. And you know these people are

00:08:20.740 living in this sort of fantasy land that perhaps once existed but they assume it's 1950s and they

00:08:26.140 haven't mentally progressed on from that. So that's what I mean by they're living in unreality. Yeah.

00:08:31.660 Which strikes me for the Greens as well. But yeah there's some interesting parallels there.

00:08:35.580 And so for the Liberal Democrats they can adopt a kind of progressive liberal worldview that isn't

00:08:41.200 insane and radical. It is dinner party peacocking politics. But for the Greens they truly believe

00:08:50.780 in this radical agenda. Yeah. I mean as we talked about last time you know back in the back in the

00:08:57.320 early 90s when you saw an immigrant they were generally quite high value though your local GP or

00:09:02.760 something like that. There was very few of them. And if you if your neuroplasticity died it's

00:09:08.660 somewhere in the 1990s and you've been unable to absorb any further information. Yes. I can

00:09:15.100 understand why you might feel that immigrants are just necessarily a good thing because they

00:09:20.620 fit into the community and they add value and all that kind of stuff. And yeah that's a Lib Dem for

00:09:24.740 me. That makes sense. You're thinking of Mr. Omar who runs the corner shop or the local Indian and

00:09:29.340 he's an absolute dream. He's completely polite. His family are all polite. His children are well

00:09:33.260 adjusted and they fit into the local school because they're the only Indian family or Pakistani

00:09:37.660 family or whatever in the in the village. And you don't think any further about it. And that's

00:09:42.020 fine. That's fine. I'm glad that you're happy and he's happy and he fits in and everyone's good.

00:09:46.700 But that's just not the story elsewhere. And the Greens represent that radical fringe of the student

00:09:52.600 left and the immigrant coalition which we have seen already breaking down in your party.

00:09:59.420 So it's it's interesting how the Greens are basically just an insurgent force to destroy the

00:10:03.960 Labour Party, destroy the Labour Party coalition. They can't last on their own. Like how many Muslims

00:10:10.640 are really going to be happy to be led by Zach Polanski in the long run? And this is already

00:10:15.760 we'll get to your party in a bit actually. They polled at 1% in the national poll the other day which

00:10:20.600 I thought was... The other thing I said about these numbers is thinking back to when we did our election

00:10:26.200 coverage. One of the striking things about that was yes Labour won and they won you know their

00:10:32.220 their large majority, their super majority and all the rest of it. Yeah.

00:10:34.900 But the striking thing for me was just how thin all of those majorities were.

00:10:38.340 Completely.

00:10:38.900 And it used to be the case when I when I first got involved in politics in the 1990s,

00:10:43.580 if you had less than maybe 20,000 maybe even 25,000 votes you were considered a marginal.

00:10:49.660 Yes.

00:10:50.220 Whereas these days you can't apply that standard because nobody has a majority greater than about

00:10:55.340 4,000. You're considered to have a safe seat if you've got 4,000.

00:10:58.860 I mean, there are Labour politicians currently sitting who have literally hundreds in votes

00:11:05.980 above their opponent. Well, famously, was it Jess Phillips who had to...

00:11:10.020 400 or 600, something like that. Yeah. And she had to don the headscarf, she had to wear

00:11:13.880 the long skirt and go to the Muslim community and basically beg them to continue supporting

00:11:18.520 her. Exactly. And so this is another, again, remarkable that the insurgent parties are doing

00:11:24.620 so well, frankly. And so this is an aggregate of the local by-elections since the 2025 election.

00:11:32.300 And one thing that we notice is actually that for all the sound and fury, the Green Party is not doing

00:11:38.940 that well. Interesting.

00:11:41.340 You would think that the Green Party would have had dozens and dozens of these. They've only gained two.

00:11:47.260 Yeah. I mean, to be fair, I mean, it is a feature of our political system that you can be making strong

00:11:53.980 gains and it doesn't actually show up in the results for quite a long time. So Farage had this for a long

00:11:59.020 time with UKIP and then, well, whatever it was, the Brexit Party and their reform.

00:12:03.740 Four million votes, one seat.

00:12:05.980 Yeah. Considerable increases in vote share.

00:12:08.940 Yeah.

00:12:09.080 Considerable increases in votes. But there's like a tipping point and then you just break through.

00:12:15.000 Yeah. And that's what's happened with reform here, as you can see. But again, what are we seeing here?

00:12:21.240 The reform party has gained over 50 seats. The Liberal Democrats have gained 20 seats.

00:12:28.360 Labour and Conservatives, of course, lost considerably. Huge numbers, in fact, you know,

00:12:33.880 literally like they're down to a sort of quarter of their seats. There have been a few independents,

00:12:37.960 but not that many. This goes back to my thoughts on the map, which we'll come to in a minute,

00:12:44.280 which is this is the consolidation of English thought. It is the English consolidating into

00:12:49.880 their classes, the Liberal Democrats being the affluent middle class, reform being the angry

00:12:55.320 working class, and then picking their champions to lead them into the future, into the uncertain

00:13:01.160 future of foreign coalitions or the previous Blairite paradigm.

00:13:05.080 I'll give Ed Dutton credit for this, because again, going back to the last election stream,

00:13:09.240 one of the first things he said when he saw the results was this represents the,

00:13:13.320 oh, I forget the word, the ethnalization or whatever it was of English politics.

00:13:18.040 Yes.

00:13:18.440 The moment that you've got, because that was the moment when we got openly Islamic

00:13:26.760 members of parliament.

00:13:27.400 The Gaza MPs.

00:13:28.200 Yes. And he said, the moment that happens, you have to, you have to become a secretarian

00:13:32.520 society. You have to become Northern Ireland.

00:13:34.680 Yes. And I think that's what these things represent. The Liberal Democrats representing

00:13:38.440 the upper class or well-to-do middle class. And like I said, reform representing the angry working

00:13:44.440 class. So I think that is what is happening, a subconscious ethnic alignment in politics.

00:13:49.640 Very interesting.

00:13:50.360 Yeah. Which I think the mainstream is blind to because they always speak in terms of policy

00:13:55.080 and ideology. And again, this holds up perfectly with what I see in my area. Lots of Lib Dems,

00:14:01.080 but they're all older. Every Lib Dem activist I see is...

00:14:04.360 Older Gen X.

00:14:05.720 Yeah. At least 75.

00:14:06.920 Oh, really? That old?

00:14:08.040 Yeah. Blimey.

00:14:09.000 They're very old.

00:14:09.960 All of the Lib Dems I see around, and I do see quite a lot, because I live on the outskirts

00:14:13.960 of Swindon. And so there are a lot of, like, I'm not actually in the Swindon constituency,

00:14:18.840 I'm right on the border. And so I get Lib Dem leaflets all the time. And every Lib Dem

00:14:22.680 activist or counsellor is someone about my age, frankly.

00:14:26.520 Okay, they're quite young where you are then.

00:14:28.040 Well, Gen X.

00:14:29.640 Yeah.

00:14:30.040 And they're people who have lived in the Shires their whole lives.

00:14:32.680 And they're like, yeah, but I know what the true liberal values are.

00:14:35.160 Yeah.

00:14:35.560 But I mean, but conversely, every time I speak to a young person, they're all about reform.

00:14:39.640 Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. So anyway, this is the devastating poll that was released

00:14:47.720 the other day. And you've got to enjoy it, really. You've just got to take it in for a moment.

00:14:57.000 So for anyone who's just listening, reform are on 31%, which has been a pretty damn consistent

00:15:02.200 rough share of the poll. But what's really interesting is that actually does align quite

00:15:06.520 well with the percentage of the country which is working class English. About 30% of the country

00:15:12.600 is working class English. The Conservatives, 20%, well, that roughly represents the Boomers,

00:15:18.760 actually, because they are about a fifth of the population and they just don't change their votes.

00:15:25.960 But the interesting thing is how the Green Party is on 18% and the Labour Party is on 14%.

00:15:31.560 Now, I mean, I don't ever recall seeing a poll with the Labour Party on 14% before.

00:15:35.880 Not in my lifetime that I can think of.

00:15:39.800 In fact, probably not since they were founded, frankly.

00:15:42.600 Yeah, it's not since 1924.

00:15:44.440 Yeah, it's really, really difficult to imagine. And what I love about this is this is the dying

00:15:50.920 days of the managerial regime that stole the Labour Party from the working class.

00:15:55.000 Because again, we've talked about the natural constituency of the Labour Party has just moved

00:15:58.920 to reform. They've just thought, OK, I don't like this. And so now, and the student politicians

00:16:02.840 are moving to the Green Party and the immigrants are moving to the Green Party. And so the Labour

00:16:06.680 Party literally just represents the international managerial order. And that's the percentage of

00:16:11.480 the population that's basically committed to that. The thing is, I'm expecting that to go lower.

00:16:15.160 Well, yes. And it's bringing back for me, back in the Tony Blair years, Labour used to be having

00:16:21.560 this debate all the time. You have the old-fashioned lefties and the new Blairite era managerialists.

00:16:26.760 Yeah.

00:16:27.160 And the old-fashioned lefties would be raging at them saying,

00:16:30.360 you know, you're taking over my party, you're turning it into a managerialist party.

00:16:35.080 And they were right.

00:16:37.000 Yeah. And they were right, yeah. And I also remember going to, because I was working in

00:16:41.240 the city back then, I would go along to the annual May Day protest, because I used to find that quite

00:16:46.040 interesting. And I would always try and find, because you'd have these sort of sad, lonely,

00:16:50.840 old left-wingers.

00:16:51.960 For anyone who's not aware, May Day is basically some communist holiday where they celebrate unions and

00:16:56.920 you know, communism. So it was very parochial to the Labour left.

00:17:01.640 Well, they would go into the city and they would make a lot of noise and fury and protest

00:17:07.240 against capitalism. And my boss would hang out the window and flick 50-pound notes at them to

00:17:11.400 watch them scrabble around to get the money.

00:17:14.680 Right. But anyway, I would always go out and find the sad, old, lonely, old leftist and have a word

00:17:23.560 with him. And this was in the Blair years. And universally, I mean, they turned up because they'd

00:17:28.920 been doing it the whole life, turning up to the May Day protest.

00:17:31.160 It's literally a tradition.

00:17:32.120 Absolutely. And I would say, how do you feel about Blair? How do you feel about the Labour

00:17:36.680 government? And they were just despondent.

00:17:38.280 They hate.

00:17:38.760 Yeah.

00:17:39.720 Because they knew these guys were in the ascendancy. They were clever. They had an ideology that they

00:17:45.880 could use to advance themselves through the Labour Party. And the old left types, well,

00:17:51.160 they were yesterday's men. Like the Soviet Union had collapsed.

00:17:54.520 That they were taken for granted in the same way that the Tories and perhaps not so far down the

00:18:01.240 line reform will start doing is they take their core audience for granted.

00:18:05.960 Correct. And the Lib Dems, of course, are consistent in almost every poll because about 11% of the

00:18:11.080 country are well-to-do middle-class people.

00:18:13.800 Who don't think.

00:18:15.080 And they're focused in the Southwest. So that's just, I mean, that is a devastating poll.

00:18:20.920 I mean, this is the poll and this is the numbers. But as we were alluding to just a moment ago,

00:18:25.240 there are certain tipping points with these numbers in our system that have a devastating outcome

00:18:30.520 on the seat. So I'm one of you.

00:18:32.040 I do happen to have this mapped out.

00:18:35.240 You do?

00:18:35.800 Yeah, I do. This is a seat estimate of Labour down to four seats.

00:18:43.000 Four seats. I'm just going to, so, I mean, what do you make of that?

00:18:48.520 I mean, just, I mean, I've been watching politics for a long time, but I've never seen anything like

00:18:55.880 this. Labour, four seats down 407 seats.

00:19:01.720 Just to be clear, in the history of the Labour Party, the worst result they ever got was in the

00:19:06.360 1931 election at 52 seats.

00:19:09.080 Right. So shortly after they were formed,

00:19:11.160 they got above where the Liberal Democrats usually are and then stayed there and have been consistently

00:19:18.440 either the party of government or opposition.

00:19:20.600 Yeah. I mean, in the first national election, they got two seats, but ignoring that, since 1945,

00:19:26.840 this has been like a proper modern party.

00:19:29.560 This is absolutely astonishing. I mean, you've got to hand it to the Conservatives. They made themselves

00:19:36.440 absolutely hated by their own votes. They're widely regarded as traitors. But it did take them

00:19:43.080 years to do that.

00:19:44.680 Yeah. And some serious betrayal as well.

00:19:47.880 Yeah.

00:19:48.440 Like, the Labour Party hasn't really done anything. Like, I mean, obviously, it has, but like,

00:19:54.760 with the Conservatives, you've got the Boris Waver, which is a very clear and unquestionable betrayal.

00:20:01.400 But the Labour Party have always been able to frame everything they're doing in terms of benefit for

00:20:05.320 the country. And the Conservatives just were not able to do that with the Boris wave.

00:20:08.920 Well, I think Labour have done something. They've very clearly signalled that they're

00:20:12.840 against the country. They're against the people of the country.

00:20:16.120 Yeah.

00:20:16.520 Unless they're the new Britons.

00:20:18.760 Well, yeah, absolutely. And even then, those people don't believe the Labour Party.

00:20:22.840 No.

00:20:23.160 Because you've got like Shibana Mamou going,

00:20:24.920 yeah, I'm just going to start deporting people.

00:20:26.360 It's entirely insincere.

00:20:27.640 Exactly. The Labour Party are committed to these structures.

00:20:31.640 So the Labour Party are the party of the system.

00:20:35.560 And everyone knows that they're the party of the system.

00:20:38.280 And everyone hates the system.

00:20:40.360 And so the Labour Party, I mean, losing...

00:20:41.880 I mean, I thought the Tory wipeout of the last election was bad, which it was.

00:20:45.240 But 407 seats predicted to go down. And the thing is,

00:20:48.360 Keir Starmer is acting like he doesn't care.

00:20:51.560 Yeah.

00:20:53.400 The Labour Party are acting like a party that is blind to this.

00:20:57.320 Yes. I mean, they're speed running of abandonment of...

00:21:02.520 Any constituency.

00:21:03.320 Any constituency. I mean, it is genuinely impressive. I mean, if you put you and I in charge of the Labour Party...

00:21:10.440 Oh, we can turn it around.

00:21:10.840 ...and told us to destroy it as comprehensively and quickly as possible, we wouldn't be able to get close to this.

00:21:15.880 I mean, I could turn this around, but it'd get really racist really quickly.

00:21:19.720 Well, no, no, no, I'm saying...

00:21:21.720 I'm saying if we were deliberately trying to destroy the Labour Party, we couldn't have done anything like as well as this.

00:21:28.840 Yeah. No, absolutely. And this is a long time coming as well, because you could feel in the early 2000s, I'm sure you felt it, the discontent that the working class had with the Labour Party, right?

00:21:41.400 Like, Tony Blair, he won his first election quite handily, but he barely scraped through on the second election. And he had his own line phrase, like, well, people are happy and so they don't turn out for the election.

00:21:50.440 It's like, no, that means people aren't actually that happy. And you just kind of scraped that through. You didn't increase your share.

00:21:56.360 The difference between then and now is that you didn't encounter the opposite view, because the media class, the BBC, the press...

00:22:05.200 They had it sewn up.

00:22:06.060 They were all in love with Labour. They all endorsed Labour, even the BBC.

00:22:10.040 Even the Conservative Party.

00:22:11.060 Even the Conservative Party endorsed Labour.

00:22:12.840 Yeah, exactly. And so you had this sense inside of you that something isn't right, but you couldn't find any voices. I mean, you didn't start until whatever it was, 2013, maybe, something like that.

00:22:24.180 And even then I wasn't talking about this.

00:22:25.360 Yeah, exactly. And so you just simply didn't encounter somebody articulating the opinion. So you thought that this is just...

00:22:34.480 Well, I didn't think it, but a lot of people just thought, oh, this is just a naggling doubt inside of me, but it's just me.

00:22:42.140 Yeah.

00:22:42.680 And 20 years on, complete collapse. And so, I mean, I genuinely don't see how Labour are going to come back from a result like this.

00:22:51.880 Well, you've already said, but they're not going to do that.

00:22:53.680 I don't think they are. And yeah, exactly. I don't think they can. Right. I think the people who currently constitute Labour are the, you know, the true believers in the NHS.

00:23:02.920 You know, the people who would die for the NHS, would literally fight wars for the NHS.

00:23:06.500 I mean, they literally will because it's an appalling service.

00:23:09.900 They literally will. They'll be put to death by the NHS if the end of life bill passes.

00:23:17.440 But the point is, I think this is basically the end of the Labour Party. I don't see why anyone would want to go back to it.

00:23:24.000 But what does it have that can attract its own constituency back? And there's not really anything.

00:23:28.560 Well, I mean, let's say, I mean, let's say they do double this and they get eight seats.

00:23:34.320 I mean, let's say.

00:23:35.420 Let's concede that. I mean, or even 10 times it, they get 40 seats.

00:23:39.440 Yeah, that's still a devastating defeat. But the thing is, that's probably more likely, right?

00:23:43.840 Yeah.

00:23:44.020 It's probably more likely they'll get about 80 seats.

00:23:46.020 But I mean, I mean, who is going to be interested in them? They're just a spent force. There's no energy behind them. Nobody's enthusiastic about them.

00:23:55.240 Yeah.

00:23:55.440 I mean, as we heard from the last Labour conference, one of the MPs was overheard saying, I hate going out on the doorstep.

00:24:03.220 They just scream at us, tell us to F off and slam the door in our face.

00:24:06.800 Yeah. And it's been like that since the days of Corbyn.

00:24:09.720 Well, I mean, I think it's got a lot worse since basically Southport.

00:24:14.060 Corbyn was way more popular than Starmer.

00:24:16.020 Yeah. I mean, was it Corbyn lost the election by getting more votes than Labour won with this last time?

00:24:23.860 Correct. Corbyn got more votes than Starmer.

00:24:26.000 The only difference is that he didn't, is that Theresa May didn't have reform splitting the vote.

00:24:30.720 Exactly. And Nigel Farage was basically standing down during that period of time.

00:24:35.200 One of the many times he likes to stand down in favour of the establishment.

00:24:38.720 And you know what? I can understand the argument that, look, we need to get Brexit done.

00:24:43.940 So Nigel Farage does step down and then for Boris's big win.

00:24:48.120 But of course, the Conservatives betrayed him.

00:24:50.700 In fact, let's, Conservatives at 48, that's atrocious.

00:24:54.540 Again, if you think about 380 and Boris on 50% approval when he comes into office,

00:25:00.120 the Conservatives, again, complete collapse.

00:25:03.080 Down to 48 seats. That's atrocious. What are you doing?

00:25:05.980 Like, your party is done?

00:25:08.840 And the oldest political party in the world.

00:25:11.760 And it's on its way out.

00:25:13.780 Normally famed for its survival instinct.

00:25:16.320 Yes.

00:25:16.680 But because they've adopted the Blair mindset so completely,

00:25:20.860 they can't do what is obviously the right thing to do.

00:25:24.480 I mean, for a start, in an era where immigration is the top issue,

00:25:28.940 don't have a Nigerian first-generation immigrant as your leader.

00:25:31.480 She's based, though.

00:25:34.980 Yeah, she is.

00:25:35.720 Because under the Tory selection process,

00:25:39.940 only at a minimum women, but normally women plus ethnics,

00:25:45.840 are allowed to be based in order to get through selection.

00:25:48.520 Because they only hire Lib Dems these days.

00:25:50.340 So I went to Parliament the other day to talk to a Tory grandee

00:25:56.180 about what could be done about the Conservative Party.

00:26:00.460 So he wanted some advice,

00:26:02.280 because I guess he finds me an interesting person.

00:26:04.920 Did you tell him resignation, suicide, and maybe a written apology?

00:26:08.820 I didn't. He was a really nice chap.

00:26:11.380 I'm not going to name him, obviously.

00:26:12.460 Yes.

00:26:13.320 But we were talking about the current political environment,

00:26:16.460 and I was just asking him,

00:26:18.980 okay, look, how is it that, like, from the outside,

00:26:21.880 it's difficult to perceive how power actually flows

00:26:24.620 in the Conservative government.

00:26:26.180 But this guy has been in government.

00:26:27.480 He's been the Tory whip as well.

00:26:29.860 And so if anyone should know, he should know.

00:26:31.840 And he was like, look,

00:26:32.760 basically all power is concentrated in the leader,

00:26:35.640 and it's about momentum.

00:26:37.480 If the party believes, in aggregate,

00:26:40.820 that something ought to happen,

00:26:42.120 then it tends to just happen,

00:26:43.680 regardless of any of the sort of bureaucratic processes

00:26:46.180 that are supposed to underpin it.

00:26:47.520 Unlike in the Labour Party,

00:26:48.540 where you have a very complex and rigid structure

00:26:51.600 of, you know, committees and whatnot,

00:26:53.960 you know, not crangos,

00:26:56.620 like, cabinets or chairs or whatever they call them,

00:26:59.060 you know, that the students can infiltrate and begin...

00:27:02.240 They're voting blocs.

00:27:04.040 Yeah.

00:27:04.520 Unions being a big one and...

00:27:06.300 Exactly, yeah.

00:27:07.180 Like, they've got a much more formalised structure

00:27:09.220 in the Labour Party.

00:27:10.060 So he didn't talk about the 1922 committee at all?

00:27:12.520 No.

00:27:13.040 Interesting.

00:27:13.360 He didn't.

00:27:13.840 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:14.700 I thought he would.

00:27:15.980 But he said, not really.

00:27:16.960 Most of it is about momentum, right?

00:27:19.220 So you have to have...

00:27:20.020 You have to be on the cusp of a sort of cultural wave

00:27:23.000 in order to just capture the Conservative Party,

00:27:25.840 which explains how Cameron and Blairism

00:27:28.860 took over the Tories.

00:27:30.400 Well, but I mean...

00:27:31.080 They didn't infiltrate it.

00:27:32.420 They just had cultural momentum.

00:27:33.920 And the Tories were like,

00:27:34.500 oh, okay, we'll follow what's cool.

00:27:35.820 Oh, no, look, I know lots of Tory MPs back then,

00:27:38.360 and they all worshipped Blair.

00:27:39.920 Yeah.

00:27:40.220 And they all wanted to emulate his success.

00:27:42.500 They all wanted to copy him.

00:27:43.740 And what's interesting is

00:27:45.220 the way he was describing the Conservative Party,

00:27:48.840 it's kind of like herding cats, frankly.

00:27:51.920 As in, they're all a lot more independent

00:27:54.860 than they look, right?

00:27:58.680 And so, like, it's not like you have a...

00:28:01.260 In the Labour Party,

00:28:02.300 you have lots of joined-up coalitions,

00:28:04.460 like the unions, like the feminists,

00:28:06.380 like the immigrants, like...

00:28:07.900 And they've all essentially

00:28:09.400 a little constituency to themselves.

00:28:11.480 Well, the Conservatives are a lot more

00:28:12.740 independent-minded,

00:28:14.160 and so they're a lot more sort of bourgeois

00:28:16.360 and looking around,

00:28:17.380 so what is everyone else doing, you know?

00:28:19.420 And how can I become part of the

00:28:21.420 in crowd and gain the cultural momentum

00:28:23.560 to lead the wave, right?

00:28:25.380 So it...

00:28:27.020 And this is just one chap's opinion,

00:28:28.640 but he'd been in the Conservative Party

00:28:29.660 for a long time.

00:28:30.480 I once read a thread

00:28:31.780 about how fish navigate as a shoal.

00:28:34.500 Yes, yes.

00:28:35.160 And it's quite interesting.

00:28:36.260 And basically, the rule,

00:28:37.680 it depends on the species of fish,

00:28:38.820 but it's something like they all keep

00:28:40.500 three inches to the left of...

00:28:44.740 And the same speed as the one on the left.

00:28:45.940 It's all relational to the other fish around them.

00:28:47.640 Yeah, and there's one fish at the front

00:28:49.600 that gets spooked by something,

00:28:51.420 and turns,

00:28:52.520 and then the whole bloody shoal follows.

00:28:54.520 And it's essentially what you're describing here

00:28:56.480 with the Conservative Party.

00:28:57.380 That's what he was describing.

00:28:58.760 And I just came away from that very interested,

00:29:02.060 because obviously I was there

00:29:03.240 to talk about the relationship

00:29:06.940 between the Conservative Party and Rupert Lowe,

00:29:08.640 but we'll get onto that in a little bit.

00:29:10.500 So anyway, getting back to this,

00:29:12.360 this is a more granular map.

00:29:13.900 So the estimate of Reform 352,

00:29:17.460 that would be a majority,

00:29:18.440 but a very, very slim one.

00:29:20.760 But as you can see,

00:29:22.860 London, just going green.

00:29:25.240 Like, everywhere that was Labour

00:29:27.040 is just going green.

00:29:28.680 They're just being completely eaten up Bristol,

00:29:30.400 completely.

00:29:31.500 Like, you know,

00:29:32.160 any of the sort of city heartlands

00:29:34.400 where they were previously,

00:29:35.620 Labour, these all green.

00:29:36.460 I can't see the four red seats.

00:29:38.420 I think one, two,

00:29:42.180 three.

00:29:43.720 Okay.

00:29:44.160 Well, they're very small, though.

00:29:45.900 Yeah.

00:29:46.320 I don't know where the fourth one is.

00:29:49.420 Might not be shown very well.

00:29:51.640 It'd be like,

00:29:51.940 where's Wally trying to find the...

00:29:53.480 But everywhere green on this map

00:29:54.900 was previously red.

00:29:56.240 Yeah.

00:29:57.060 And everywhere teal on this map

00:29:58.640 was previously blue.

00:30:00.480 And so, right, okay,

00:30:01.640 or in the north, sorry,

00:30:02.940 everywhere teal around here

00:30:03.900 was previously red.

00:30:04.820 So, you can see

00:30:06.760 the just complete collapse

00:30:08.380 of the centre.

00:30:10.080 And what's interesting

00:30:11.060 is this doesn't seem

00:30:12.840 to have pierced the bubble

00:30:15.280 in centrist politics.

00:30:17.820 Now, on the conservative side,

00:30:20.220 they are aware

00:30:21.100 that they're on the downswing

00:30:23.160 and there's no coming back.

00:30:25.240 Well, that's very astute to them then.

00:30:26.720 Oh, yeah.

00:30:28.840 They're basically preternaturally

00:30:30.640 they're omniscience then, aren't they?

00:30:32.800 Compared to the Labour Party,

00:30:34.140 they are.

00:30:34.820 Because Keir Starmer

00:30:35.900 thinks he's the last chance

00:30:37.020 for centrist politics.

00:30:39.500 I mean,

00:30:40.780 he probably is

00:30:41.800 the last of centuries politics.

00:30:43.940 Exactly.

00:30:44.700 He probably is.

00:30:46.360 And the thing is,

00:30:47.600 if Labour die

00:30:48.620 with the term centrism

00:30:51.040 attached to them...

00:30:51.980 Ooh.

00:30:53.300 I like this.

00:30:54.880 It kills the centre in Britain.

00:30:57.480 It kills the Blairite status quo

00:30:59.560 going back to the 1990s.

00:31:01.160 Yes, I like this.

00:31:04.040 Right.

00:31:04.440 I guess the additional problem

00:31:05.620 that Labour have

00:31:06.340 that perhaps Tories

00:31:07.580 dodged to an extent

00:31:08.780 is that there is

00:31:10.380 an understanding

00:31:11.160 that the mechanisms

00:31:13.040 of state

00:31:13.660 at every level

00:31:14.560 of Blairite.

00:31:15.440 Yes.

00:31:15.700 I mean,

00:31:15.920 that was the great genius

00:31:17.300 of Blair.

00:31:17.680 He came in on day one

00:31:18.720 and he took

00:31:19.880 every bit of power

00:31:21.700 that he could strip out

00:31:22.500 of Parliament

00:31:22.920 and handed it

00:31:23.460 to a quango

00:31:23.980 and then made

00:31:25.080 those quangos

00:31:25.800 self-selecting

00:31:28.820 to make sure

00:31:29.520 that only Blairites

00:31:30.420 ever held power

00:31:31.340 forever.

00:31:32.280 So at least the Tories

00:31:33.080 could say,

00:31:33.800 oh, you know,

00:31:34.360 we've got this problem

00:31:35.160 with the judges

00:31:35.800 and we've got the problem

00:31:36.540 with this

00:31:37.100 and we've got the problem

00:31:37.740 with, you know,

00:31:38.340 this committee

00:31:38.840 and the human rights lawyers

00:31:39.900 and stuff.

00:31:40.860 Labour cannot disown

00:31:42.120 any of it.

00:31:43.540 They are completely

00:31:46.620 of the system.

00:31:48.660 Exactly.

00:31:49.240 And if we just go back

00:31:50.000 to the big map second,

00:31:52.640 now,

00:31:52.960 what does that system

00:31:53.960 look like

00:31:54.420 ruling this country?

00:31:56.260 This is a far-right country.

00:31:59.040 That's what the map

00:31:59.940 is telling us.

00:32:00.800 That is a far-right country

00:32:02.180 in almost every corner

00:32:03.360 of it.

00:32:03.940 In the southwest,

00:32:04.820 apart from the Lib Dem areas,

00:32:05.900 in the southeast,

00:32:06.920 in East Anglia,

00:32:08.820 in Wales,

00:32:10.020 in the Midlands,

00:32:10.860 in the north.

00:32:12.300 England is a far-right country

00:32:14.240 and we are going

00:32:15.640 to be saddled

00:32:16.380 with a legacy

00:32:17.820 Blairite system

00:32:19.260 that hates

00:32:20.360 the people.

00:32:21.900 And the people,

00:32:22.600 like I've said before,

00:32:23.360 are just in revolt

00:32:24.140 against the system

00:32:24.760 whether they realise it

00:32:25.560 or not.

00:32:26.640 But this is a fascinating article.

00:32:28.940 I'm just going to read

00:32:29.280 a couple of quotes from it.

00:32:30.480 Asked whether he saw himself

00:32:31.520 as the last chance

00:32:32.160 for the centre,

00:32:32.720 Sakhir said yes.

00:32:33.940 I think this is the real test

00:32:35.180 of centrist politics.

00:32:36.600 I don't mean Labour

00:32:37.300 versus Tories.

00:32:38.120 Of course not,

00:32:38.740 because the Tories

00:32:39.320 are also part of the centre.

00:32:41.040 Yeah.

00:32:41.520 Because to some extent,

00:32:42.480 that's what we've had.

00:32:43.280 It's a different proposition

00:32:44.220 and we have to show

00:32:45.360 that politics can deliver.

00:32:46.500 We also have to expose

00:32:48.200 the right for what it is

00:32:49.300 because the propositions

00:32:50.160 of reform

00:32:50.720 would tear our country apart.

00:32:52.620 It's fascinating

00:32:53.420 that we got to this point

00:32:54.560 because for the last

00:32:56.460 whatever it was,

00:32:57.320 since the post-war era,

00:32:58.940 there has been this

00:33:00.040 pantomime put on

00:33:02.500 that frames Labour

00:33:04.560 over here

00:33:05.160 and Conservatives

00:33:05.940 over here

00:33:06.520 and they've always maintained

00:33:08.160 that there are opposite

00:33:08.960 ends of the spectrum.

00:33:10.240 Yeah.

00:33:10.480 And I've always maintained

00:33:11.620 and people looked at me

00:33:12.560 like I was absolutely mental

00:33:14.160 in my sort of teens

00:33:15.220 and twenties

00:33:15.740 when I was saying this,

00:33:16.880 but they're the same thing

00:33:18.200 and the spectrum

00:33:19.020 is actually much,

00:33:20.120 much wider.

00:33:21.460 At this point,

00:33:22.280 he's not even bothering

00:33:23.300 to protest otherwise.

00:33:24.320 He's just saying,

00:33:24.840 yeah, the Tories are us.

00:33:25.620 If it helps,

00:33:26.580 he says exactly this, right?

00:33:28.300 So not only does he say,

00:33:29.580 I'm not talking about the Tories

00:33:30.500 because obviously

00:33:30.980 they're our twin brother

00:33:33.040 that we're very familiar with.

00:33:34.520 He says,

00:33:35.040 in Britain,

00:33:35.660 the centre-right

00:33:36.260 has sort of fallen away

00:33:37.640 as in the Conservatives

00:33:39.500 have crumbled

00:33:40.160 and now he's looking

00:33:42.000 at the looming specter

00:33:42.800 of Nigel Farage

00:33:43.420 who, just to be clear,

00:33:44.700 is not some radical right-winger.

00:33:46.660 But to the Blairite system,

00:33:48.760 he appears to be

00:33:49.500 a radical right-winger

00:33:50.220 because he's not

00:33:51.220 for infinite managerialism,

00:33:53.380 which is what his,

00:33:54.200 really,

00:33:54.740 the underlying opposition

00:33:55.820 to the EU was initially.

00:33:57.680 I mean,

00:33:57.960 Farage,

00:33:58.480 for all his faults,

00:33:59.160 has got the instincts

00:34:00.580 of an Englishman

00:34:01.400 and so he's just like,

00:34:03.260 well,

00:34:03.360 I don't like this.

00:34:04.260 And it's like,

00:34:04.540 no, you don't, Nigel.

00:34:05.560 Neither do we.

00:34:06.420 Neither do the rest of us.

00:34:07.380 Let's do something about it.

00:34:08.880 And so they're seeing,

00:34:10.420 essentially,

00:34:10.980 Mr. Brexit

00:34:11.520 coming to tear down

00:34:13.380 the EU-fication

00:34:14.820 of Britain.

00:34:15.740 But I mean,

00:34:16.020 also his point about

00:34:16.960 the centre-right

00:34:18.480 has fallen away

00:34:19.620 to reform.

00:34:21.420 But of course,

00:34:21.860 as you've already demonstrated...

00:34:22.680 Well, no,

00:34:22.940 he's not even saying

00:34:23.580 to reform

00:34:24.040 because he sees

00:34:25.320 reform as a right.

00:34:25.980 He is the centre-right.

00:34:28.380 Ah, right.

00:34:29.520 Okay, I missed that.

00:34:30.560 Well, no, no.

00:34:31.040 I don't even think

00:34:31.860 he realised this.

00:34:32.820 But think of the way

00:34:33.540 the Labour Party's operating.

00:34:34.700 Shabana Mahmood

00:34:35.340 becoming, you know,

00:34:36.520 a fascist

00:34:38.100 about the borders

00:34:38.780 and stuff like this,

00:34:39.560 according to the Green Party.

00:34:41.080 Like,

00:34:41.400 the Labour Party

00:34:42.760 has just adopted

00:34:43.900 everything in the centre now.

00:34:46.120 Right?

00:34:46.360 The central,

00:34:47.020 the centrist consensus

00:34:48.040 is represented

00:34:49.500 in Keir Starmer

00:34:50.260 and he's like,

00:34:51.260 yeah,

00:34:51.420 this is the real test

00:34:52.320 of centrist politics.

00:34:53.520 I embody it.

00:34:55.440 We have to show

00:34:56.280 that we can win.

00:34:57.560 That is the challenge,

00:34:58.680 he says.

00:34:59.080 It's like,

00:34:59.340 okay,

00:34:59.520 well,

00:34:59.700 you're at 14% now.

00:35:02.000 I'm not sure

00:35:02.840 you're the man

00:35:03.460 for the challenge

00:35:04.340 and like I said

00:35:06.560 a minute ago,

00:35:07.300 I would love to see

00:35:08.440 the Labour ship

00:35:09.300 go down

00:35:09.840 with this centrist

00:35:10.600 politics attached to it.

00:35:12.120 Yeah.

00:35:12.580 That would be incredible.

00:35:13.820 I mean,

00:35:14.100 his great challenge

00:35:15.320 is getting to 2029.

00:35:17.600 Yes.

00:35:17.860 Because there's no

00:35:18.260 constitutional method

00:35:19.260 to get Labour Party out.

00:35:21.140 The only one

00:35:21.820 that I can see

00:35:22.460 is if the bond market

00:35:23.520 revolts to the point

00:35:24.480 where they have to do cuts,

00:35:26.460 the Labour backbenchers

00:35:27.860 can vote down a budget

00:35:29.000 and, you know,

00:35:30.500 effectively,

00:35:30.980 that triggers

00:35:31.680 a general election

00:35:33.060 with a few steps

00:35:33.720 in between.

00:35:36.080 Yeah.

00:35:36.960 But so far,

00:35:37.920 Rachel Reeves

00:35:38.340 hasn't really had

00:35:39.020 that much opposition

00:35:39.740 internally to her budgets,

00:35:41.380 even though they're

00:35:42.180 ruining the reputation

00:35:42.980 of the party.

00:35:44.340 Yeah,

00:35:44.800 I mean,

00:35:45.120 because they're designed

00:35:45.860 to appeal to

00:35:46.760 the minimal extent

00:35:48.400 they need to appeal

00:35:49.340 to the bond market,

00:35:50.400 but then it's 80%

00:35:51.680 appealing to Labour backbenchers.

00:35:52.540 Like your triangle,

00:35:53.280 you've got the backbenchers,

00:35:54.180 the bond market,

00:35:54.760 and the public.

00:35:55.460 Which ones is she satisfying?

00:35:56.660 The backbenchers

00:35:57.280 and the bond market.

00:35:58.620 But mainly the backbenchers.

00:36:00.000 Sure.

00:36:00.300 Yeah.

00:36:00.800 Okay.

00:36:01.960 Again,

00:36:02.660 going back to your 14,

00:36:04.500 sorry,

00:36:05.260 14% of the polls

00:36:06.020 on four seats,

00:36:07.780 you know,

00:36:08.500 you can say

00:36:09.360 the public don't matter

00:36:10.520 for a certain period

00:36:11.920 of time

00:36:12.360 until it matters

00:36:13.660 all at once.

00:36:14.480 And you have to wonder

00:36:16.080 at some point

00:36:16.800 is this going to register

00:36:18.680 with Labour MPs?

00:36:19.560 Because presumably

00:36:20.240 none of these people

00:36:21.120 have useful skills.

00:36:22.080 I mean,

00:36:22.220 none that I've been able

00:36:22.880 to determine.

00:36:24.120 Is Rachel Reeves

00:36:25.000 really wanting to,

00:36:26.640 I mean,

00:36:27.040 not just Rachel Reeves,

00:36:28.140 but all of it.

00:36:28.600 So she was a complaints manager

00:36:31.480 at HSBC Bank

00:36:33.520 before she was doing this

00:36:34.640 and she wasn't very good at it

00:36:36.000 and she would have been fired

00:36:36.980 if it wasn't one of the higher-ups

00:36:38.320 thinking that she might be

00:36:39.300 a big wig in Labour one day.

00:36:39.980 She didn't keep failing upwards.

00:36:41.240 Yeah.

00:36:42.540 And she's one of the best

00:36:45.620 that Labour have.

00:36:46.740 Are these people

00:36:47.360 really going to want to give up

00:36:48.680 90 grand a year salaries

00:36:50.280 to go back to being cashiers

00:36:53.080 or teachers

00:36:54.040 or whatever the hell

00:36:54.740 they were before

00:36:55.600 to get their

00:36:57.240 three to four years

00:36:59.100 of basically

00:37:01.060 socialist red meat?

00:37:03.720 Or are they going to want to pivot

00:37:05.060 at some point?

00:37:05.820 Because they seem remarkably

00:37:07.380 obstinate.

00:37:08.860 I think it's purely ideology.

00:37:11.500 I think it's Blairite's

00:37:12.620 managerial ideology

00:37:13.840 where they are committed

00:37:15.060 to the system

00:37:16.380 and I think they truly believe

00:37:18.820 in the rules-based order.

00:37:20.820 Yeah, but what about self-interest?

00:37:22.560 I mean, that's got to kick in

00:37:23.460 at some point.

00:37:24.020 I genuinely think

00:37:24.880 they're not flexible enough

00:37:26.100 in their own thinking.

00:37:27.180 And so you are right.

00:37:28.380 I think we're looking

00:37:28.980 at a zombie parliament, right?

00:37:30.260 This is a dead man walking.

00:37:32.060 This is a condemned parliament

00:37:33.100 where 400 Labour MPs

00:37:35.600 and another 73 Conservatives

00:37:37.780 are just...

00:37:38.900 I mean, nearly 500 MPs

00:37:40.680 are going to get slaughtered

00:37:42.540 in the next election.

00:37:44.520 I don't think that's ever happened.

00:37:46.860 We ran the last election

00:37:48.760 on the campaign

00:37:49.420 of zero seats

00:37:50.180 for the Tories

00:37:51.800 and what we really meant

00:37:52.920 by zero seats

00:37:54.320 was not literally zero seats

00:37:55.460 because you can't get that

00:37:56.180 in our system.

00:37:56.800 It was basically below 50.

00:37:58.300 Yeah.

00:37:58.940 It's fascinating.

00:37:59.800 And we're going to get it.

00:38:00.380 We're now going to get it

00:38:01.040 double barrel.

00:38:02.020 We're going to get zero seats

00:38:03.120 for the Conservatives

00:38:03.720 and for Labour.

00:38:04.660 I know.

00:38:05.640 It's so good.

00:38:06.400 It's so good.

00:38:07.480 It's so good.

00:38:10.440 I try not to smile about it

00:38:12.460 but it's so good.

00:38:14.200 If only reform was a bit more worthy

00:38:15.820 we could get really excited

00:38:17.100 but still there's enough

00:38:18.040 to be happy about.

00:38:18.920 Yeah.

00:38:19.720 I'm just glad that reform

00:38:21.340 are not Blairites, right?

00:38:23.620 You can say whatever you like

00:38:24.600 about them

00:38:25.020 and they are, you know,

00:38:26.100 soft on a bunch of issues

00:38:27.220 but at least Nigel Farage

00:38:29.600 can never be accused

00:38:30.500 of being a Eurocrat.

00:38:32.040 No.

00:38:32.320 Whereas Keir Starmer

00:38:33.480 and the Tories

00:38:33.980 absolutely can be accused

00:38:35.260 of that.

00:38:36.100 So for all his faults

00:38:37.380 he's not that

00:38:38.300 and he's always been

00:38:39.240 an outrider on that issue

00:38:40.420 the sort of parochial

00:38:41.740 Englishness, frankly

00:38:42.860 of the dislike

00:38:44.380 of the continental system

00:38:45.500 and so fine

00:38:46.740 I'm fine

00:38:47.580 I'm okay

00:38:48.180 with Nigel Farage

00:38:48.940 being our representative here

00:38:50.260 not a huge fan

00:38:51.280 but I'm okay with it

00:38:52.320 and the results

00:38:53.820 if we get anything

00:38:55.660 even half of this

00:38:57.060 right

00:38:57.300 even if

00:38:57.640 even if only 35

00:38:59.100 Conservative MPs go

00:39:00.900 and 200 Labour MPs go

00:39:02.680 that would be a superb

00:39:04.300 superb result

00:39:05.920 that will probably put

00:39:07.300 a reformed government

00:39:07.960 in place

00:39:08.420 so anyway

00:39:09.280 moving on

00:39:10.840 as you pointed out

00:39:13.740 the Labour Party

00:39:14.660 this is from the Times

00:39:15.580 but it's just summarised

00:39:16.540 from Patrick McGuire here

00:39:17.660 as you pointed out

00:39:19.140 the Labour Party

00:39:21.440 are dead men walking

00:39:22.720 and almost

00:39:24.120 in the entire

00:39:24.860 in fact it is

00:39:25.680 the entire Labour front bench

00:39:26.840 basically

00:39:27.300 that's starting to lose

00:39:28.460 their seats

00:39:28.920 so all of

00:39:30.000 and that's an unusual

00:39:31.280 thing to happen

00:39:32.140 right

00:39:32.540 even if you don't

00:39:33.580 get elected

00:39:34.000 to the next government

00:39:34.860 very rarely

00:39:35.800 does the front bench

00:39:36.740 just lose all of their seats

00:39:38.000 yeah

00:39:38.480 just very rarely

00:39:40.140 I mean there's only

00:39:40.660 four remaining

00:39:41.280 so I mean

00:39:41.920 which ones stay

00:39:43.200 I mean

00:39:43.740 yeah exactly

00:39:44.880 it'd be

00:39:46.040 does Keir Starmer

00:39:47.840 keep his seat

00:39:48.320 is he one of the four

00:39:49.060 no

00:39:49.500 no okay

00:39:50.360 no the entire Labour

00:39:51.380 front bench

00:39:51.760 loses their seats

00:39:52.180 the entire Labour

00:39:52.640 front bench go

00:39:53.280 yes

00:39:54.200 it's 407

00:39:55.540 oh I'm gonna enjoy

00:39:56.860 this when it happens

00:39:57.820 I know right

00:39:58.620 it's gonna be so good

00:40:00.060 and so the Labour Party

00:40:01.300 is currently struggling

00:40:02.080 so okay

00:40:02.440 what are we gonna do

00:40:03.900 actually

00:40:04.280 because the front

00:40:05.240 that they put up

00:40:05.980 is like no

00:40:06.640 we're in control

00:40:07.300 the system works

00:40:08.300 the system is everything

00:40:09.280 the system is infallible

00:40:10.640 the rules are being followed

00:40:11.980 the rules

00:40:12.620 exactly

00:40:13.120 the rules are being followed

00:40:14.340 right

00:40:14.660 but everyone can see

00:40:16.000 they're literally

00:40:16.480 following them off a cliff

00:40:17.680 and so

00:40:19.040 they're all

00:40:20.440 again

00:40:20.980 it's very Soviet

00:40:22.500 right

00:40:22.860 it's like

00:40:23.260 oh Stalin's

00:40:24.420 like not come out of his office

00:40:25.640 for three days

00:40:26.180 are you gonna go in and check

00:40:27.060 hell no

00:40:27.660 I'm not gonna go in and check

00:40:28.740 it's like

00:40:29.360 well someone's gonna have to

00:40:30.300 aren't they

00:40:30.620 yeah but I might be

00:40:31.440 the guy who gets shot

00:40:32.200 it's like

00:40:32.880 okay

00:40:33.380 that's great

00:40:34.280 but we're gonna end up

00:40:35.600 going off the cliff

00:40:36.480 if someone doesn't check

00:40:37.680 if the driver's dead yet

00:40:38.780 you know

00:40:39.360 and so

00:40:40.820 this

00:40:41.600 is

00:40:42.620 one of those things

00:40:43.720 where it's like

00:40:44.060 right okay

00:40:44.540 do we have

00:40:46.260 anyone else

00:40:47.640 and as you can see

00:40:48.900 according to the

00:40:49.700 Labour membership

00:40:50.740 well the best they seem to have

00:40:52.860 is Ed Miliband

00:40:54.120 followed by Wes Streeting

00:40:56.240 and then Lucy Powell

00:40:57.440 Shabana Mahmood

00:40:58.320 and Rachel Reeves

00:40:59.240 um

00:41:00.420 the Wallace and Gormit puppet

00:41:02.780 himself

00:41:03.220 just genuinely

00:41:04.140 if

00:41:05.720 and he's

00:41:06.940 he's coming a bit

00:41:07.900 bellicose like that

00:41:08.740 I've actually met him

00:41:09.460 in real life once

00:41:10.220 oh he's incredibly soft

00:41:11.180 oh yeah

00:41:11.780 unbelievably

00:41:13.540 beta male

00:41:14.460 in fact

00:41:14.760 is there a category

00:41:15.560 below beta male

00:41:16.480 do you not remember

00:41:17.580 the

00:41:17.860 was he with Andrew

00:41:18.780 Neil or something

00:41:19.320 are you tough enough

00:41:20.180 to fight Putin

00:41:20.860 he's like hell yeah

00:41:21.900 I'm tough enough

00:41:22.660 and it's like

00:41:23.180 so when I met him

00:41:25.340 it was

00:41:26.160 I was

00:41:26.660 I was leaving the London club

00:41:28.180 that he was trying to get into

00:41:29.460 but it was a bit exclusive

00:41:30.760 and he was obviously

00:41:31.800 having some difficulty

00:41:32.640 and he was with two women

00:41:34.500 and the women were arguing

00:41:36.060 trying to argue their way in

00:41:37.560 and he was just sort of

00:41:38.400 stood to the side

00:41:39.640 looking as meek

00:41:40.780 and pathetic as possible

00:41:41.920 so I thought

00:41:42.620 oh this would be fun

00:41:43.460 so I marched over

00:41:44.700 and shake his hand

00:41:45.720 obviously he's got

00:41:46.640 the limpest

00:41:47.420 handshake

00:41:48.300 of all time

00:41:49.400 and I congratulated him

00:41:50.660 on making me so much money

00:41:51.660 with his green subsidies

00:41:52.560 and

00:41:54.940 and

00:41:55.240 and

00:41:56.220 you have never been

00:41:57.900 in the presence

00:41:58.600 of a more emasculated

00:42:00.360 beta male

00:42:01.100 in your life

00:42:01.940 I mean he

00:42:02.440 he's

00:42:02.840 he's just the

00:42:03.560 I mean

00:42:04.180 most women

00:42:06.080 genuinely have more

00:42:07.080 testosterone than he does

00:42:08.080 I mean I've seen

00:42:08.660 Keir Starmer

00:42:09.080 punching a punch bag

00:42:09.960 so

00:42:10.220 I know the kind of

00:42:11.320 person who

00:42:11.640 I think it's below

00:42:12.760 even that

00:42:13.260 it's worse that

00:42:13.580 I think it's worse

00:42:14.460 well the

00:42:15.380 the point is

00:42:16.100 Ed Miliband

00:42:16.740 he's not anyone's

00:42:18.600 first choice

00:42:19.140 right

00:42:20.060 well he's

00:42:21.240 no

00:42:21.620 you say that

00:42:22.640 no he's

00:42:23.360 he is people's

00:42:24.360 first

00:42:24.500 he's

00:42:24.800 he's Labour

00:42:25.260 backbenchers

00:42:25.880 first choice

00:42:26.400 because

00:42:27.300 well he wasn't

00:42:28.400 Starmer was

00:42:29.020 it's just

00:42:29.680 Starmer has

00:42:30.140 mishandled it

00:42:30.780 so poorly

00:42:31.380 no I

00:42:31.960 I think

00:42:32.920 I think

00:42:33.420 I think he was

00:42:34.120 really

00:42:34.420 but Labour

00:42:35.020 backbenchers

00:42:35.640 genuinely love

00:42:36.220 this guy

00:42:36.520 the unions

00:42:37.620 love this guy

00:42:38.720 I was going to

00:42:39.200 get to that

00:42:39.520 he is a

00:42:40.260 popular man

00:42:40.980 right

00:42:41.440 yes

00:42:41.740 so they

00:42:42.400 I'm sure

00:42:43.280 he's very

00:42:43.860 you know

00:42:44.360 lovable

00:42:44.760 and likeable

00:42:45.740 and nice

00:42:46.400 you know

00:42:47.040 you'd like

00:42:47.320 you know

00:42:47.800 going for a

00:42:48.460 dinner with him

00:42:48.960 I'm sure

00:42:49.340 he's

00:42:49.580 you know

00:42:50.080 very nice

00:42:50.580 company

00:42:51.040 you know

00:42:51.460 he's scoffing

00:42:51.980 his bacon

00:42:52.340 sandwich

00:42:52.700 I'm sure

00:42:53.180 he's

00:42:53.380 I'm sure

00:42:53.980 he's a lovely

00:42:54.480 chap

00:42:54.880 he's actually

00:42:56.660 supposed to be

00:42:57.060 Jewish by the way

00:42:57.780 which is what

00:42:58.660 made that bacon

00:42:59.320 sandwich

00:42:59.840 farce

00:43:00.680 and people say

00:43:01.380 integration

00:43:01.820 doesn't happen

00:43:02.500 like honestly

00:43:03.560 I'm not saying

00:43:04.620 they're right on that

00:43:05.300 anyway

00:43:05.620 the point being

00:43:06.920 he I'm sure

00:43:07.580 he's a lovely

00:43:07.920 guy

00:43:08.200 but he's

00:43:08.980 he's also

00:43:09.600 too familiar

00:43:12.080 as in

00:43:13.420 he's just a part

00:43:14.340 of the system

00:43:14.780 everyone knows

00:43:15.380 he's a part

00:43:15.680 of the system

00:43:16.100 he came up

00:43:16.600 during the

00:43:16.960 Blair years

00:43:17.400 this is where

00:43:18.680 he made his

00:43:19.080 bones

00:43:19.380 and he's

00:43:20.880 like over

00:43:22.200 time

00:43:22.720 there's an

00:43:24.660 ecological phenomenon

00:43:25.520 where you get

00:43:27.660 you know

00:43:28.480 a hundred million

00:43:29.100 years ago

00:43:29.500 a volcano erupts

00:43:30.640 and then over

00:43:32.240 the center of

00:43:33.060 millennia

00:43:33.940 the sort of

00:43:34.940 the weak rock

00:43:36.540 around sloughs

00:43:37.520 away so you get

00:43:38.120 this pillar of

00:43:39.100 basalt

00:43:39.640 right and you get

00:43:40.840 these a lot in

00:43:41.360 South America

00:43:42.000 right and they

00:43:42.600 look weird

00:43:43.140 because it's

00:43:43.420 just this shelf

00:43:44.360 of rock

00:43:44.720 that comes out

00:43:45.260 so where did

00:43:45.740 that come from

00:43:46.320 well that's

00:43:47.120 kind of what's

00:43:47.660 left in the

00:43:48.080 Labour Party

00:43:48.560 now right

00:43:49.220 you've got

00:43:50.060 anyone with

00:43:50.780 any competence

00:43:51.380 has fallen

00:43:52.260 away from

00:43:53.140 the Labour

00:43:53.440 Party

00:43:53.780 and so this

00:43:54.700 is the best

00:43:55.260 that they have

00:43:55.640 this is their

00:43:56.140 front bench

00:43:56.660 Ed Miliband

00:43:57.820 Wes Streeting

00:43:58.640 Lucy Powell

00:43:59.300 Shibana Mahmood

00:44:00.140 and Rachel

00:44:00.540 Reeves

00:44:00.940 if you were

00:44:02.180 playing like a

00:44:03.440 strategy game

00:44:04.160 and you had to

00:44:04.720 choose one of

00:44:05.180 these as a

00:44:05.680 general

00:44:06.080 it would be

00:44:06.780 Shibana

00:44:07.140 yeah it would

00:44:09.600 but you'd be

00:44:10.140 like okay this

00:44:10.640 is not a good

00:44:11.140 selection

00:44:11.600 no

00:44:12.420 like this is

00:44:13.060 not ideal

00:44:13.920 Shibana is the

00:44:15.040 only one who's

00:44:15.660 vaguely competent

00:44:16.500 in that entire

00:44:17.240 list

00:44:17.620 correct

00:44:18.100 but again

00:44:18.780 the Labour

00:44:19.740 Party aren't so

00:44:20.440 stupid as to

00:44:21.000 make the Tories

00:44:21.480 mistake as

00:44:22.020 putting an

00:44:22.900 immigrant in

00:44:23.860 as head of

00:44:24.360 their party

00:44:24.820 correct

00:44:25.600 so it looks

00:44:28.280 like it's down

00:44:28.660 to Ed Miliband

00:44:29.380 and Wes

00:44:29.640 Streeting

00:44:30.020 obviously

00:44:30.620 neither one

00:44:31.940 are particularly

00:44:32.460 brilliant

00:44:32.780 although

00:44:33.100 apparently

00:44:33.720 according to

00:44:34.100 The Guardian

00:44:34.620 Angela Rayner

00:44:36.160 is making

00:44:36.760 moves behind

00:44:37.420 the scenes

00:44:38.520 well she's the

00:44:39.700 only one with

00:44:40.060 any personality

00:44:40.840 yeah Big Ange

00:44:42.300 she does have

00:44:44.380 some personality

00:44:44.860 I mean actually

00:44:45.380 of the ones we

00:44:46.080 talked about

00:44:46.700 if I was a

00:44:47.560 Labour backbencher

00:44:48.520 Ange is the

00:44:50.020 one that I'd

00:44:50.440 want to follow

00:44:50.820 into the next

00:44:51.740 election

00:44:52.140 she could actually

00:44:54.440 hold her own

00:44:55.140 in debates

00:44:55.880 and stuff

00:44:56.380 I mean she

00:44:56.720 wouldn't know

00:44:57.100 anything

00:44:57.440 but she's got

00:44:58.720 that sort of

00:44:59.440 sort of bubbly

00:45:00.480 working class

00:45:01.580 it's not that

00:45:02.640 she's not likeable

00:45:03.420 I'll concede

00:45:04.400 that

00:45:04.800 however do you

00:45:06.660 see her as being

00:45:07.680 Prime Minister of the

00:45:08.600 country

00:45:09.000 what happens

00:45:10.120 if Vladimir Putin

00:45:11.060 declares war

00:45:11.420 that would be a

00:45:11.960 farce

00:45:12.240 but if I was a

00:45:13.140 Labour backbencher

00:45:13.860 I'd be gunning

00:45:15.020 for official

00:45:15.480 opposition

00:45:15.900 and I would

00:45:17.560 conclude that

00:45:18.520 Ange is the

00:45:19.500 only one who

00:45:19.840 can get me

00:45:20.200 there

00:45:20.420 because people

00:45:21.120 would say

00:45:21.460 well she's

00:45:22.120 not going to

00:45:22.420 be Prime

00:45:22.820 Minister

00:45:23.140 but you know

00:45:24.520 she's a

00:45:25.120 funny gobbly

00:45:25.700 northerner

00:45:26.180 woman

00:45:26.440 maybe we can

00:45:27.180 win the

00:45:27.420 working class

00:45:27.920 back with

00:45:28.260 yeah

00:45:28.480 apparently

00:45:30.060 she's been

00:45:30.580 on manoeuvres

00:45:31.080 behind the

00:45:31.500 scenes

00:45:31.860 good luck

00:45:33.220 to her

00:45:33.500 yeah

00:45:33.780 Wes

00:45:34.100 Streeting

00:45:34.540 has defied

00:45:35.020 expectations

00:45:35.640 and he's

00:45:37.360 kind of set

00:45:37.840 himself up

00:45:38.520 in an

00:45:39.240 unofficial

00:45:39.720 leadership

00:45:40.180 bid

00:45:40.560 because part

00:45:41.480 of the

00:45:41.820 part of

00:45:42.340 this

00:45:42.580 Stalin-esque

00:45:43.840 sort of

00:45:45.280 cabinet of

00:45:46.820 Labour

00:45:47.420 members

00:45:47.880 Labour

00:45:48.540 ministers

00:45:49.680 is

00:45:50.560 they all

00:45:51.900 can see

00:45:52.280 the writing

00:45:52.660 on the

00:45:52.900 wall

00:45:53.140 but they

00:45:54.000 know that

00:45:54.320 if they

00:45:54.560 start breaking

00:45:55.060 ranks

00:45:55.420 then the

00:45:55.660 entire

00:45:55.880 government

00:45:56.140 falls apart

00:45:56.640 and the

00:45:56.820 pressure

00:45:57.040 goes on

00:45:57.500 to call

00:45:57.780 a general

00:45:58.080 election

00:45:58.360 and also

00:45:58.900 he's a

00:45:59.240 white male

00:45:59.720 which

00:46:00.160 Labour

00:46:00.680 only

00:46:02.860 have

00:46:03.060 white males

00:46:03.860 that is

00:46:04.600 true

00:46:04.980 but he

00:46:05.320 is a

00:46:05.620 eunuch

00:46:05.980 no I'm

00:46:06.580 joking

00:46:06.800 I don't

00:46:07.100 know if

00:46:07.280 he's an

00:46:07.480 actual

00:46:07.700 eunuch

00:46:08.000 he just

00:46:09.120 looks like

00:46:09.500 one

00:46:09.660 just plays

00:46:10.460 one on

00:46:10.740 TV

00:46:10.960 so the

00:46:13.540 point is

00:46:14.880 the Labour

00:46:15.200 Party are

00:46:15.600 currently in

00:46:15.980 some sort

00:46:16.360 of devil's

00:46:17.860 pact

00:46:18.200 where they

00:46:19.720 know that

00:46:20.200 there's a

00:46:20.440 problem

00:46:20.720 they know

00:46:21.460 that they

00:46:21.760 should be

00:46:22.340 having some

00:46:23.260 kind of

00:46:23.520 internal

00:46:23.780 leadership

00:46:24.140 election

00:46:24.520 but they

00:46:25.120 also know

00:46:25.580 that all

00:46:26.080 the sharks

00:46:26.560 are surrounding

00:46:27.820 them

00:46:28.140 and if they

00:46:28.760 start drawing

00:46:29.240 blood on

00:46:29.620 one another

00:46:30.040 then their

00:46:31.080 party gets

00:46:32.140 torn apart

00:46:32.620 is it

00:46:34.120 the May

00:46:34.600 the big

00:46:35.220 lot of

00:46:35.520 local

00:46:35.780 elections

00:46:36.180 it is

00:46:36.540 yeah

00:46:36.700 there's

00:46:37.420 I mean

00:46:37.720 as you've

00:46:38.980 already shown

00:46:39.520 earlier on

00:46:40.100 there's

00:46:40.320 enough

00:46:40.780 by elections

00:46:41.460 and council

00:46:42.680 elections

00:46:43.240 that they

00:46:44.560 should be

00:46:44.980 doing it

00:46:45.380 now if they

00:46:45.800 had any

00:46:46.160 sense

00:46:46.520 yes

00:46:46.940 but there's

00:46:47.700 no way

00:46:48.280 they get

00:46:48.640 past May

00:46:49.220 with

00:46:49.780 Nokia

00:46:50.200 Starmer

00:46:50.640 in post

00:46:51.080 and then

00:46:51.460 and then

00:46:51.820 this blood

00:46:52.220 is going

00:46:52.540 to have

00:46:52.740 to be

00:46:52.960 in the

00:46:53.160 water

00:46:53.440 but then

00:46:53.980 the entire

00:46:54.560 like the

00:46:55.640 way that

00:46:56.620 the Westminster

00:46:57.040 structure works

00:46:57.680 as you said

00:46:58.080 there's no

00:46:58.440 formal mechanism

00:46:59.380 for removing

00:47:00.220 a government

00:47:00.640 but there is

00:47:01.480 a pressure

00:47:02.100 mechanism

00:47:02.900 that the

00:47:04.160 Conservatives

00:47:04.900 are particularly

00:47:05.400 weak to

00:47:05.880 which is why

00:47:06.320 they've had

00:47:06.620 so many

00:47:07.000 prime ministers

00:47:07.500 in so many

00:47:08.000 years

00:47:08.320 where the

00:47:09.380 party itself

00:47:10.100 will trigger

00:47:10.660 the leadership

00:47:11.640 election

00:47:12.020 or a general

00:47:12.600 election

00:47:13.020 repeatedly

00:47:13.940 to try and

00:47:14.980 gain a

00:47:15.500 foothold

00:47:16.320 that they can

00:47:16.940 say no I'm

00:47:17.440 legitimate on

00:47:18.060 and like you

00:47:19.200 say if

00:47:19.660 it genuinely

00:47:21.400 could well be

00:47:23.200 that although

00:47:24.020 there's no

00:47:24.360 formal mechanism

00:47:25.100 the public

00:47:26.360 pressure just

00:47:27.020 gets too

00:47:27.420 much

00:47:27.740 but even

00:47:28.780 even the

00:47:29.380 people in

00:47:29.720 the Labour

00:47:29.940 Party like

00:47:30.420 here we've

00:47:31.280 just lost

00:47:31.760 however many

00:47:32.280 hundreds of

00:47:32.780 seats at

00:47:33.060 these local

00:47:33.460 elections in

00:47:33.980 May we're

00:47:35.240 on you know

00:47:36.120 could go down

00:47:36.580 to like 10%

00:47:37.320 in the polls

00:47:37.900 like you just

00:47:39.220 have to go

00:47:39.880 right this is

00:47:40.640 all of our

00:47:41.260 lives it's the

00:47:41.920 entire Labour

00:47:42.560 Party you're

00:47:43.200 putting in

00:47:43.580 peril and so

00:47:44.840 a leadership

00:47:45.200 election or a

00:47:46.060 general election

00:47:46.520 may be

00:47:46.920 triggered so

00:47:47.800 it could well

00:47:49.000 be that we're

00:47:50.240 looking at

00:47:50.760 Rainer

00:47:51.160 Miliband

00:47:52.760 Streeting and

00:47:54.640 of course

00:47:54.880 Shabana Mahmood

00:47:55.600 who her

00:47:56.800 allies think

00:47:57.380 she's much

00:47:58.020 more close to

00:47:58.560 the centre of

00:47:59.060 political gravity

00:47:59.700 in the UK

00:48:00.180 which is true

00:48:00.980 well she's the

00:48:01.580 only one who's

00:48:01.960 vaguely competent

00:48:02.580 but she's

00:48:03.340 an immigrant

00:48:03.760 and prepared to

00:48:04.280 do right wing

00:48:04.740 things

00:48:05.000 yeah so Labour

00:48:06.240 aren't going to

00:48:06.800 select her

00:48:07.940 and I would

00:48:09.560 like to think

00:48:10.340 because it would

00:48:11.380 just be so

00:48:11.840 funny

00:48:12.280 but it's probably

00:48:14.160 going to be

00:48:14.460 Ed Miliband

00:48:14.860 I don't put

00:48:16.140 much stock

00:48:16.960 on West

00:48:17.620 Streeting

00:48:18.040 I kind of

00:48:18.720 hope it's

00:48:19.080 Ed Miliband

00:48:19.580 because he's

00:48:20.220 kind of like

00:48:20.580 the Liberal

00:48:20.940 Democrat

00:48:21.320 in the party

00:48:22.880 which serves

00:48:23.580 no one

00:48:24.220 right the Liberal

00:48:24.720 Democrats already

00:48:25.400 have the Ed

00:48:25.940 Davey

00:48:26.300 they love

00:48:26.820 their Ed

00:48:27.180 Davey

00:48:27.880 and you

00:48:28.160 notice that

00:48:28.620 Miliband's

00:48:29.860 campaigning is

00:48:30.560 very similar

00:48:31.040 to Ed

00:48:31.380 Davey's

00:48:31.840 it's quite

00:48:32.620 frivolous

00:48:33.260 it's quite

00:48:33.640 jolly

00:48:34.080 it's quite

00:48:34.540 I'm fun at

00:48:35.620 parties

00:48:36.040 kind of

00:48:36.360 guy

00:48:36.660 right

00:48:37.260 so he

00:48:37.760 doesn't

00:48:37.980 Ed Miliband

00:48:38.500 doesn't have

00:48:39.200 a big garden

00:48:39.840 so he's

00:48:40.180 not a Lib Dem

00:48:40.780 but he does

00:48:41.240 have two

00:48:41.640 kitchens

00:48:42.120 he does

00:48:42.940 because he

00:48:43.240 lives in

00:48:43.500 a London

00:48:43.840 townhouse

00:48:44.440 yes

00:48:44.880 an 8 million

00:48:47.320 pound London

00:48:48.040 townhouse

00:48:48.560 with two

00:48:49.220 kitchens

00:48:49.640 again

00:48:49.940 small garden

00:48:50.700 but it's

00:48:51.000 very tall

00:48:51.540 anyway

00:48:52.400 I would like

00:48:54.060 it to be

00:48:54.320 Ed Miliband

00:48:54.680 just to finally

00:48:55.380 seal off the

00:48:56.000 Labour Party

00:48:56.480 because

00:48:56.960 Ed Miliband

00:48:59.460 will never

00:49:00.040 bring back

00:49:00.580 their old

00:49:00.940 coalitions

00:49:01.480 Angela Rayner

00:49:02.720 might win back

00:49:03.340 some working

00:49:03.680 class

00:49:04.100 you know

00:49:04.980 Shibana Mahmood

00:49:06.620 might bring back

00:49:07.280 some immigrants

00:49:07.860 but Ed Miliband

00:49:11.320 is bringing back

00:49:12.080 nobody

00:49:12.700 well and

00:49:13.640 he's already

00:49:14.380 had a run

00:49:14.800 at leader

00:49:15.140 yes

00:49:15.660 and he

00:49:16.100 failed

00:49:16.620 yes

00:49:17.240 so you know

00:49:18.060 good for them

00:49:18.900 anyway

00:49:19.380 so just on the

00:49:20.320 other side

00:49:20.860 quickly

00:49:21.460 Nigel Farage

00:49:22.480 is of course

00:49:22.940 deeply mired

00:49:24.540 in some scandal

00:49:25.420 that he was a

00:49:26.040 racist teenager

00:49:26.820 it has affected

00:49:28.600 his polling

00:49:29.000 in no way

00:49:29.620 whatsoever

00:49:30.140 it has not

00:49:31.880 in any way

00:49:32.760 bothered his

00:49:33.980 core supporters

00:49:34.820 it bothered him

00:49:35.840 more than it

00:49:36.260 bothered his

00:49:36.660 supporters

00:49:37.000 absolutely

00:49:37.920 he was the

00:49:39.180 one who took

00:49:39.540 more offence

00:49:40.040 at this

00:49:40.340 than anyone

00:49:40.860 else

00:49:41.140 there's such

00:49:41.540 a ham

00:49:42.100 fisted

00:49:42.800 series of

00:49:43.580 weird

00:49:44.120 denials

00:49:44.700 yeah

00:49:45.400 I mean

00:49:45.880 if you're

00:49:46.740 going to

00:49:47.120 advise

00:49:47.520 conservative

00:49:48.460 MPs

00:49:48.940 maybe

00:49:49.240 Nigel Farage

00:49:50.000 and Nick

00:49:50.440 Fuentes

00:49:50.760 over to

00:49:51.460 give them

00:49:52.020 coaching

00:49:52.440 on what

00:49:52.720 you say

00:49:52.980 when somebody

00:49:53.500 accuses

00:49:53.900 you of

00:49:54.120 racism

00:49:54.480 exactly

00:49:55.320 just

00:49:55.700 literally

00:49:56.140 stop

00:49:56.460 taking it

00:49:56.920 seriously

00:49:57.280 Nigel

00:49:57.700 but the

00:49:58.200 point being

00:49:59.180 this

00:49:59.580 has been

00:50:00.480 and I'm

00:50:00.840 just using

00:50:01.220 this article

00:50:03.060 as an

00:50:03.340 example

00:50:03.680 but as

00:50:04.620 you'll be

00:50:04.900 aware

00:50:05.180 there's been

00:50:05.900 a massive

00:50:07.100 massive

00:50:08.080 attempt

00:50:08.380 something like

00:50:09.040 30 people

00:50:09.920 have accused

00:50:10.840 him of

00:50:11.160 racism

00:50:11.560 when he was

00:50:11.980 a teenager

00:50:12.420 at Dolbrich

00:50:12.880 College

00:50:13.300 this has been

00:50:14.880 enormous

00:50:15.420 and it

00:50:16.220 feels genuinely

00:50:17.640 like the

00:50:18.220 last

00:50:18.760 Sally

00:50:19.660 from the

00:50:20.240 old guard

00:50:20.860 it's like

00:50:21.380 we're all

00:50:21.780 going to get

00:50:22.060 together

00:50:22.340 lads

00:50:22.680 50 years

00:50:23.640 ago

00:50:23.980 Nigel Farage

00:50:25.320 was racist

00:50:26.620 to me

00:50:27.140 and it's

00:50:27.700 like

00:50:27.860 yeah

00:50:28.680 okay

00:50:29.320 so what

00:50:30.960 who cares

00:50:32.440 and really

00:50:33.480 you're in

00:50:33.960 your 60s

00:50:34.540 and you're

00:50:34.740 crying about

00:50:35.260 Nigel Farage

00:50:35.780 being mean

00:50:36.240 to you at

00:50:36.500 school

00:50:36.740 it reminds

00:50:38.100 me of that

00:50:38.620 thing where

00:50:39.300 when Trump

00:50:40.760 or a Supreme

00:50:41.560 Court justice

00:50:42.120 was getting

00:50:42.580 put up for

00:50:42.960 nomination

00:50:43.400 and all of a

00:50:44.060 sudden

00:50:44.280 all these

00:50:46.420 80 year old

00:50:46.960 rapists

00:50:47.440 rape victims

00:50:48.380 would come

00:50:48.720 out of the

00:50:49.060 cupboard

00:50:49.600 yeah

00:50:49.760 Brett Kavanaugh

00:50:50.740 yeah

00:50:50.980 40 years ago

00:50:52.340 he raped me

00:50:52.860 in a college

00:50:53.240 dorm

00:50:53.480 and he happens

00:50:54.360 to have

00:50:54.800 his exact

00:50:55.920 schedule

00:50:57.060 it's like

00:50:57.540 what kind

00:50:57.960 of autist

00:50:58.680 are you

00:50:59.300 I was there

00:51:01.500 on that day

00:51:02.060 and if you

00:51:03.940 ever see a

00:51:04.860 14 year old

00:51:05.560 keeping a

00:51:06.000 meticulous diary

00:51:06.840 just think

00:51:07.320 yeah

00:51:07.560 possible Supreme

00:51:08.460 Court justice

00:51:08.980 right there

00:51:09.520 right

00:51:09.880 exactly

00:51:10.460 so anyway

00:51:11.620 none of this

00:51:12.640 has had any

00:51:13.060 effect on

00:51:13.740 people's

00:51:14.300 support of

00:51:14.600 reform

00:51:14.840 and it's

00:51:17.140 really vain

00:51:17.720 to think

00:51:18.140 that it

00:51:18.400 would

00:51:18.700 right

00:51:19.240 because the

00:51:20.200 average

00:51:20.440 reform voter

00:51:21.180 is probably

00:51:22.500 really voting

00:51:23.280 against immigration

00:51:24.100 they're voting

00:51:25.300 against foreigners

00:51:26.100 that's what

00:51:27.260 they're doing

00:51:27.760 well I

00:51:28.600 I think

00:51:29.160 that the

00:51:29.460 electorate

00:51:29.820 have been

00:51:30.080 doing that

00:51:30.540 for 20

00:51:30.960 years

00:51:31.400 yeah

00:51:31.640 but this

00:51:32.060 is a more

00:51:33.160 consolidated

00:51:33.860 yeah

00:51:34.460 like no no

00:51:35.080 we're the

00:51:35.700 English now

00:51:36.180 and we're

00:51:36.420 picking reform

00:51:37.060 they don't say

00:51:37.660 it in their

00:51:37.900 own heads

00:51:38.540 but this is

00:51:39.080 the feeling

00:51:39.680 that leads

00:51:40.460 them to it

00:51:40.880 and so

00:51:41.380 calling them

00:51:41.800 racist

00:51:42.160 calling Nigel

00:51:43.120 Farage racist

00:51:43.660 is just

00:51:44.100 calling his

00:51:44.460 voters racist

00:51:45.100 and they've

00:51:45.500 been called

00:51:45.780 racist

00:51:46.080 their whole

00:51:46.400 lives

00:51:46.720 and I

00:51:47.660 think

00:51:47.760 well and

00:51:48.100 also they

00:51:48.520 might think

00:51:49.040 well maybe

00:51:49.420 we need

00:51:49.720 a bit of

00:51:50.000 that these

00:51:50.320 days

00:51:50.580 because we

00:51:51.180 we've

00:51:51.580 had the

00:51:52.200 liberal

00:51:53.920 boomer

00:51:55.240 post-war

00:51:56.160 philosophy

00:51:56.660 and it

00:51:57.220 is ruining

00:51:57.940 us

00:51:58.340 so they're

00:51:59.340 basically

00:51:59.780 endorsing

00:52:00.500 him

00:52:00.720 yeah

00:52:01.140 so will

00:52:01.660 they defer

00:52:02.060 to voters

00:52:02.700 well they

00:52:03.100 haven't so

00:52:03.700 far

00:52:04.080 and I've

00:52:05.240 got no

00:52:05.680 reason to

00:52:06.120 think they

00:52:06.460 will

00:52:06.660 just a quick

00:52:07.860 thing on

00:52:08.260 the your

00:52:08.980 party

00:52:09.420 it pulled

00:52:10.560 at 1%

00:52:11.120 the other

00:52:11.460 day

00:52:12.160 Zara Sultana

00:52:13.180 has sufficiently

00:52:13.840 torpedoed it

00:52:14.740 the independent

00:52:16.060 Gaza MPs

00:52:16.840 were making

00:52:17.120 up a

00:52:17.460 leaving

00:52:18.160 because the

00:52:19.340 left are

00:52:19.640 finding out

00:52:20.000 in real

00:52:20.380 time that

00:52:21.000 actually

00:52:21.460 Muslims

00:52:22.140 are really

00:52:22.720 socially

00:52:23.100 conservative

00:52:23.620 yeah

00:52:24.820 well for

00:52:25.960 themselves

00:52:26.400 for themselves

00:52:27.240 but that's

00:52:27.720 one of their

00:52:28.140 strengths

00:52:28.560 you know

00:52:28.960 it's like

00:52:29.500 you know

00:52:29.800 I'm not a

00:52:30.460 big fan

00:52:30.760 of Islam

00:52:31.200 but I can

00:52:31.960 respect that

00:52:32.620 and the

00:52:33.620 left are

00:52:33.960 finding out

00:52:34.240 what you're

00:52:34.580 not for

00:52:34.840 trans rights

00:52:35.740 and Iqbal

00:52:36.940 Mohammed

00:52:37.160 is like

00:52:37.440 no

00:52:38.060 why did

00:52:40.360 you think

00:52:40.760 I was

00:52:41.460 imagine

00:52:43.020 operating in

00:52:43.900 a world

00:52:44.200 philosophy

00:52:44.800 where you

00:52:45.400 assumed

00:52:46.080 Muslims

00:52:46.680 would be

00:52:47.120 for trans

00:52:47.820 rights

00:52:48.280 and that's

00:52:49.060 why the

00:52:49.480 Green Party

00:52:49.980 will eventually

00:52:50.520 have this

00:52:51.140 problem of

00:52:51.640 their own

00:52:52.020 right

00:52:52.400 yes

00:52:52.860 eventually

00:52:53.460 the Green

00:52:54.520 Party

00:52:54.800 is currently

00:52:55.180 eating up

00:52:55.560 the student

00:52:55.980 politics

00:52:56.400 vote

00:52:56.600 and the

00:52:56.820 immigrant

00:52:57.040 vote

00:52:57.340 and the

00:52:58.240 Green Party

00:52:58.700 will come

00:52:59.100 to this

00:52:59.520 same

00:52:59.900 juncture

00:53:00.540 at some

00:53:00.960 point

00:53:01.300 Zach Polanski

00:53:02.300 has been

00:53:02.640 very firm

00:53:03.080 no we're

00:53:03.400 a pro

00:53:03.720 trans

00:53:04.040 rights

00:53:04.260 party

00:53:04.780 well

00:53:05.720 what happens

00:53:06.480 when Moffat

00:53:06.980 Ali stood

00:53:07.500 behind him

00:53:08.020 is frowning

00:53:08.800 at him

00:53:09.180 and what

00:53:09.580 happens

00:53:09.860 when you're

00:53:10.140 three quarters

00:53:10.720 Muslim

00:53:11.120 does the

00:53:12.500 rest of your

00:53:12.860 party agree

00:53:13.440 is it a

00:53:14.120 democratic

00:53:14.560 party

00:53:15.060 do you get

00:53:15.560 voted out

00:53:16.080 by an

00:53:17.060 anti-trans

00:53:17.700 person

00:53:19.000 and then the

00:53:19.420 Green Party

00:53:19.780 just becomes

00:53:20.380 literally the

00:53:20.940 Islamic

00:53:21.300 party

00:53:21.660 I think

00:53:22.860 Islamists

00:53:23.400 in the

00:53:23.840 Green Party

00:53:24.340 can tolerate

00:53:24.880 it because

00:53:25.260 they know

00:53:25.580 it's not

00:53:25.900 their kids

00:53:26.420 getting trans

00:53:27.080 and quite

00:53:27.520 frankly they

00:53:27.980 couldn't give

00:53:28.420 a who

00:53:28.740 if the

00:53:29.220 white kids

00:53:29.620 get trans

00:53:30.140 and they

00:53:30.420 know who

00:53:31.060 is the

00:53:31.660 increasing

00:53:32.080 constituency

00:53:32.620 in the

00:53:33.000 party

00:53:33.240 and who

00:53:33.460 isn't

00:53:33.960 right yes

00:53:35.180 no we're

00:53:35.860 going to

00:53:36.420 continue to

00:53:37.020 grow until

00:53:38.160 we're three

00:53:38.620 quarters of

00:53:39.120 the party

00:53:39.500 and then who

00:53:39.940 cares what

00:53:40.320 you say

00:53:40.800 because we've

00:53:41.700 got the

00:53:42.040 demographic

00:53:42.480 power here

00:53:43.500 and then

00:53:44.540 finally I

00:53:45.140 thought we'd

00:53:45.420 come to

00:53:46.040 Rupert Lowe

00:53:46.900 because he

00:53:48.260 recently launched

00:53:49.020 his Great

00:53:49.520 Yarmouth

00:53:49.880 First Party

00:53:50.620 how did that

00:53:51.020 happen

00:53:51.700 how did that

00:53:52.760 happen

00:53:53.140 how did that

00:53:53.920 do

00:53:54.160 oh well it's

00:53:55.040 currently at

00:53:55.420 44% in

00:53:56.500 Great Yarmouth

00:53:57.040 up 44%

00:53:58.520 I mean that is

00:53:59.080 the strongest

00:53:59.500 result we've

00:54:00.060 seen so far

00:54:00.840 of any party

00:54:01.720 it's kind of

00:54:03.160 remarkable if you

00:54:03.840 offer people a

00:54:04.620 genuinely right

00:54:06.020 wing party

00:54:06.520 rather than a

00:54:07.100 sort of milk

00:54:07.600 toast right

00:54:09.320 wing party

00:54:09.820 which reform is

00:54:10.840 44% flock to

00:54:14.400 it on day one

00:54:15.280 yes we're going to

00:54:16.080 put the native

00:54:16.820 constituents of this

00:54:17.920 constituency first

00:54:18.980 then half of

00:54:19.600 them are like

00:54:19.980 oh finally

00:54:20.960 thank god

00:54:21.700 yes

00:54:22.000 bang 44%

00:54:24.380 and this

00:54:24.880 literally is out

00:54:26.020 of the gate

00:54:26.600 out of the gate

00:54:28.440 launches it and

00:54:30.200 on day one he's

00:54:31.000 already polling

00:54:31.640 nearly half the

00:54:32.380 electorate in

00:54:33.340 Great Yarmouth

00:54:33.940 I mean in our

00:54:35.620 system

00:54:36.120 that's amazing

00:54:37.120 if that was

00:54:37.620 replicated at the

00:54:38.460 national level

00:54:39.180 I mean it would

00:54:40.040 I mean you'd be

00:54:41.500 past super

00:54:42.480 majority level

00:54:43.320 oh god yeah

00:54:44.040 yeah you'd be on

00:54:45.640 450 seats

00:54:46.540 it'd be incredible

00:54:47.020 so anyways you

00:54:48.700 can see he's

00:54:49.280 just chewed up

00:54:50.140 the Labour

00:54:50.860 reform and

00:54:51.540 Conservative

00:54:51.940 vote so

00:54:52.320 reform on

00:54:54.240 which Rupert

00:54:55.120 Lowe got

00:54:55.500 elected in

00:54:57.320 Great Yarmouth

00:54:57.980 is not

00:54:59.320 unassailable

00:54:59.940 no it is not

00:55:02.640 insurmountable

00:55:03.360 it's interesting

00:55:05.280 they still held

00:55:05.860 up 16% they

00:55:06.940 left basically

00:55:07.440 half their

00:55:08.060 vote and he

00:55:09.180 got so did

00:55:10.200 everyone else

00:55:10.800 yeah but he

00:55:12.100 basically got

00:55:12.860 yeah half of

00:55:13.460 everybody yeah

00:55:14.320 apart from the

00:55:14.920 Lib Dems

00:55:15.880 but I mean

00:55:16.660 they're in

00:55:17.160 their own

00:55:17.740 bubble I mean

00:55:18.240 like I say

00:55:18.740 they've got

00:55:19.000 no neuroplasticity

00:55:20.560 I mean good

00:55:21.060 to know that

00:55:21.460 5% of

00:55:22.220 Great Yarmouth

00:55:22.780 are people

00:55:23.240 with large

00:55:23.600 gardens

00:55:24.000 yes

00:55:24.700 that's just

00:55:26.360 what that

00:55:26.700 represents

00:55:27.200 but fascinating

00:55:27.640 Labour reform

00:55:28.500 and Conservatives

00:55:29.500 all halved

00:55:30.600 in favour

00:55:31.300 of Rupert Lowe

00:55:32.400 yeah

00:55:32.780 that is a

00:55:34.100 broad appeal

00:55:35.200 that is a

00:55:36.060 broad appeal

00:55:36.520 right and

00:55:37.520 that shows

00:55:38.180 that that's

00:55:38.620 genuinely

00:55:39.180 outside of

00:55:40.220 the consensus

00:55:40.800 no no no

00:55:42.180 we're just

00:55:42.740 going to put

00:55:43.060 us first

00:55:43.820 don't care

00:55:44.740 about yeah

00:55:45.380 don't care

00:55:46.240 about your

00:55:46.460 coalitions

00:55:46.940 don't care

00:55:47.360 about your

00:55:47.660 ideology

00:55:48.120 it's going

00:55:50.260 to be

00:55:50.440 Great Yarmouth

00:55:51.060 first and

00:55:51.880 half people

00:55:52.480 are saying

00:55:52.700 what a novel

00:55:53.500 political formula

00:55:54.620 we're going to

00:55:55.360 put the people

00:55:57.020 of Britain

00:55:57.500 first

00:55:58.200 instant electoral

00:56:00.440 success

00:56:01.100 and not only

00:56:02.020 that because

00:56:02.660 Rupert Lowe is

00:56:03.620 their MP who's

00:56:04.320 doing this

00:56:05.020 yeah he's

00:56:05.600 already got the

00:56:06.140 bully pulpit

00:56:06.880 but he also

00:56:07.480 has a very

00:56:08.680 good track record

00:56:09.600 of being a

00:56:10.460 man of his

00:56:10.840 word

00:56:11.260 Rupert Lowe is

00:56:12.340 by far the

00:56:12.980 most radical

00:56:13.480 right-wing

00:56:14.040 nativist MP

00:56:14.960 in the entire

00:56:15.700 country

00:56:16.220 who is the

00:56:16.600 only radical

00:56:17.620 nativist

00:56:18.120 by a long

00:56:18.680 long way

00:56:19.320 right by a

00:56:20.060 long way

00:56:20.620 and so it's

00:56:22.280 not like the

00:56:22.720 people of

00:56:23.040 Great Yarmouth

00:56:23.380 like well I'm

00:56:23.880 not sure

00:56:24.400 oh no you

00:56:24.920 can be

00:56:25.200 absolutely sure

00:56:25.920 yeah

00:56:26.260 that Rupert

00:56:26.820 Lowe is

00:56:27.660 going to be

00:56:28.060 the right-wing

00:56:28.980 outrider on

00:56:29.560 all this and

00:56:30.120 almost half of

00:56:31.020 them are like

00:56:31.280 yeah I love

00:56:31.760 it you know

00:56:32.820 that's what I

00:56:33.580 want I want

00:56:34.000 Great Yarmouth

00:56:34.720 put first

00:56:35.500 it feels like

00:56:36.040 there's some

00:56:36.280 sort of lesson

00:56:36.800 in this

00:56:37.300 it genuinely

00:56:38.520 does doesn't

00:56:39.180 it because I

00:56:39.720 mean like Rupert

00:56:40.160 Lowe every month

00:56:42.980 like that is

00:56:43.620 just such a

00:56:44.460 good example

00:56:45.200 of how an

00:56:46.300 MP could really

00:56:46.980 show no no

00:56:48.000 I'm for this

00:56:48.620 constituency I'm

00:56:49.420 for us here

00:56:50.440 and that's

00:56:51.920 going to be

00:56:52.260 it and so if

00:56:53.100 I launch the

00:56:53.520 Great Yarmouth

00:56:53.900 first party

00:56:54.560 absolute just

00:56:57.240 smashing the

00:56:58.640 opponents

00:56:59.080 I mean there

00:56:59.440 is a good

00:56:59.740 argument we

00:57:00.260 should go back

00:57:00.640 to how

00:57:00.880 parliament used

00:57:01.400 to be which

00:57:01.840 was zero

00:57:02.240 salary

00:57:02.680 yeah and

00:57:03.740 the argument

00:57:04.400 against that

00:57:04.960 in the 90s

00:57:05.620 was you don't

00:57:06.080 want to go

00:57:06.320 back to that

00:57:06.760 because it

00:57:07.080 would mean

00:57:07.500 only landed

00:57:08.260 aristocracy

00:57:08.900 yeah and

00:57:09.760 unions would

00:57:10.620 ever put up

00:57:11.080 candidates

00:57:11.520 and now I'm

00:57:12.640 thinking yeah

00:57:13.600 that is a

00:57:13.940 good reason

00:57:14.400 that is

00:57:15.340 exactly what

00:57:15.840 we should

00:57:16.100 have

00:57:16.300 people who

00:57:16.820 have a

00:57:17.120 direct

00:57:17.380 investment

00:57:17.860 in where

00:57:18.240 they live

00:57:18.700 yes

00:57:19.120 are the

00:57:20.160 ones who

00:57:20.460 actually

00:57:20.740 but I

00:57:21.180 mean and

00:57:21.620 it doesn't

00:57:21.960 necessarily

00:57:22.400 limit it to

00:57:23.540 that it

00:57:23.800 could be

00:57:24.020 anybody who

00:57:24.620 could say

00:57:25.080 who can do

00:57:25.880 a fundraiser

00:57:26.780 and say

00:57:27.100 look I'm

00:57:27.400 going to

00:57:27.560 launch a

00:57:27.920 patreon to

00:57:28.500 become an

00:57:28.860 MP if

00:57:29.940 enough people

00:57:30.340 follow me I'll

00:57:30.900 stand as an

00:57:31.400 MP and you can

00:57:32.400 pay my salary

00:57:33.000 and crowd

00:57:33.920 sourcing it

00:57:34.520 now isn't

00:57:35.340 that a much

00:57:35.780 better thing

00:57:36.480 than having

00:57:37.400 them paid by

00:57:38.160 central government

00:57:38.900 and terrified

00:57:40.400 of losing their

00:57:41.060 job

00:57:41.320 exactly

00:57:41.980 because now

00:57:42.440 you can't

00:57:42.960 just drop

00:57:43.580 in MPs

00:57:45.100 into random

00:57:45.620 constituencies

00:57:46.420 because that

00:57:47.440 constituency always

00:57:48.340 votes red or

00:57:48.880 blue

00:57:49.080 suddenly you

00:57:50.140 actually have

00:57:50.640 to have some

00:57:51.120 sort of tie to

00:57:51.920 the place

00:57:52.360 and some kind

00:57:53.220 of independence

00:57:53.820 so you can

00:57:54.260 actually serve

00:57:54.880 those people

00:57:55.380 rather than be

00:57:55.980 a creature of

00:57:56.840 the system

00:57:57.280 and people love

00:57:58.960 it as well

00:57:59.340 they were

00:58:00.420 interviewing people

00:58:01.220 the BBC was

00:58:02.140 interviewing people

00:58:02.740 about this

00:58:03.580 and I'm just

00:58:03.940 going to get

00:58:04.220 to about

00:58:05.140 here

00:58:05.760 because they

00:58:07.100 were interviewing

00:58:07.420 them and they're

00:58:07.740 like yeah

00:58:08.000 Great Yarmouth

00:58:08.520 needs help

00:58:09.060 it needs to be

00:58:09.660 thought of

00:58:11.320 oh we can't

00:58:13.540 hear it

00:58:13.860 for some reason

00:58:14.380 but this lady

00:58:15.600 here had already

00:58:16.840 joined the Great

00:58:17.540 Yarmouth First

00:58:18.180 Party

00:58:18.600 and she was

00:58:20.060 like yeah no I

00:58:20.540 think that's a

00:58:20.840 brilliant idea

00:58:21.320 I love it

00:58:21.920 I think it's a

00:58:22.340 great idea

00:58:22.640 and I think

00:58:23.060 this actually

00:58:23.840 is indicative

00:58:25.280 of where the

00:58:26.140 future of British

00:58:26.900 politics might go

00:58:27.960 so the independent

00:58:29.560 Gaza MPs were

00:58:30.600 basically already

00:58:31.540 doing this

00:58:32.460 and that's what

00:58:33.940 you know what

00:58:34.460 your party is

00:58:35.180 supposed to have

00:58:35.720 been is an

00:58:36.100 alliance between

00:58:36.940 the independent

00:58:37.500 MPs

00:58:38.240 but okay

00:58:39.260 Great Yarmouth

00:58:40.640 first

00:58:41.080 clearly a

00:58:41.960 winner from

00:58:43.980 the gate

00:58:44.340 well what about

00:58:45.500 any other

00:58:46.300 constituency first

00:58:47.300 what about

00:58:48.540 you know

00:58:49.140 Swindon first

00:58:50.940 what about

00:58:51.620 Bristol first

00:58:52.660 what about

00:58:53.160 Leeds first

00:58:54.680 it almost

00:58:55.260 sounds like

00:58:56.280 you're describing

00:58:56.800 what parliament

00:58:57.460 was set up to

00:58:58.060 do in the

00:58:58.400 first place

00:58:59.080 yes

00:58:59.740 and the

00:59:01.980 events of the

00:59:02.880 20th century

00:59:03.740 assumed a

00:59:05.280 level of

00:59:06.040 stability and

00:59:07.060 homogeneity

00:59:08.360 that wasn't

00:59:10.220 present prior to

00:59:11.840 the like

00:59:12.540 20th century

00:59:14.280 and isn't

00:59:15.040 present now

00:59:15.680 I mean I

00:59:16.200 hardly dare

00:59:17.340 dream

00:59:17.960 but if in

00:59:20.300 20 years

00:59:21.400 the standard

00:59:22.100 is independent

00:59:23.640 MPs who

00:59:24.680 represent their

00:59:25.440 area first

00:59:26.440 good god

00:59:28.240 that would be

00:59:28.600 remarkable

00:59:29.140 wouldn't it

00:59:29.740 and then you

00:59:30.720 could get very

00:59:31.420 flexible

00:59:32.000 coalitions

00:59:32.720 if literally

00:59:33.880 every

00:59:34.300 constituency

00:59:36.000 or every

00:59:37.020 region

00:59:37.540 was like

00:59:38.340 you know

00:59:38.720 local party

00:59:39.460 first

00:59:39.940 okay we're

00:59:40.700 here to look

00:59:41.020 out for the

00:59:41.340 interests of

00:59:41.660 the region

00:59:42.040 and so we

00:59:42.740 negotiate with

00:59:43.540 other you know

00:59:44.120 if Swindon first

00:59:45.240 end up negotiating

00:59:46.100 with Great Yarmouth

00:59:46.800 first great

00:59:47.360 I don't doubt we

00:59:48.220 could find a

00:59:48.680 coalition there

00:59:49.280 you know we

00:59:49.900 might not get a

00:59:50.540 coalition with

00:59:51.080 Luton first

00:59:52.080 but then they'll

00:59:53.320 be part of the

00:59:53.760 Green Party

00:59:54.420 you know what I

00:59:54.860 mean like you

00:59:55.360 know the

00:59:55.780 Islamic Gaza

00:59:56.760 MPs from

00:59:57.300 Luton

00:59:57.720 yeah okay we

00:59:58.660 might be in

00:59:59.020 opposition to

00:59:59.580 them but that's

01:00:00.580 fine because there

01:00:01.200 are going to be

01:00:01.480 way more of the

01:00:02.220 English parties

01:00:03.780 first than there

01:00:05.000 will be the

01:00:05.340 Gaza parties

01:00:06.020 first and so

01:00:07.200 we will be able

01:00:07.760 to actually

01:00:08.300 control our

01:00:09.640 country as we

01:00:10.180 want so anyway

01:00:11.460 all I'm saying

01:00:12.200 is this might

01:00:12.680 represent a

01:00:13.500 proper realignment

01:00:14.920 in British politics

01:00:16.580 the death of the

01:00:17.320 old style of

01:00:18.240 party and the

01:00:19.740 emergence of

01:00:20.240 something new

01:00:20.840 that's very early

01:00:22.080 days yet but

01:00:23.020 again like you

01:00:24.060 said don't dare

01:00:24.880 to hope right

01:00:25.980 but actually

01:00:27.280 things in

01:00:28.640 Britain in

01:00:29.340 particularly in

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01:00:31.080 slowly but

01:00:33.300 already the

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01:00:34.680 spring are

01:00:35.220 starting to

01:00:35.740 emerge

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - December 09, 2025

The Collapse of the Centre

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