The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Last Stand of the Epstein Network

00:00:00.000 Hi folks, welcome to another one of our political chats in which Dan and I are going to be discussing

00:00:04.580 whatever it is that's happening in the Labour Party, because something very interesting is

00:00:09.440 happening in the Labour Party, and it's been very public, but there's a kind of opacity to events

00:00:17.960 that I think a lot of people aren't really seeing the underlying motions and realising what these

00:00:23.400 things actually mean. Well, I think a lot of it's quite obvious, even though they refuse to expand

00:00:29.700 on any of it we just have no starmer has consistently failed to offer his motives for

00:00:36.600 doing almost anything that he's done yes which is getting him to trouble at the moment now because

00:00:41.480 he's talking about rules and procedures but he's not talking about is why i did any of these things

00:00:45.060 in the first place yeah and the thing is there's a lot of circumstantial evidence yes around starmer

00:00:53.300 and the networks of which he is a part

00:00:56.280 that suggests there may have been motives

00:01:00.100 behind it all after all,

00:01:03.200 he just can't really say it in public.

00:01:05.280 No.

00:01:06.180 Well, definitely some of the stuff.

00:01:07.400 I mean, I can only imagine

00:01:09.340 where you were going to go with this,

00:01:10.440 but if you've included everything

00:01:11.640 that I'm thinking of,

00:01:12.860 no, he definitely can't talk about all of it.

00:01:15.160 Well, we'll see.

00:01:15.920 And we'll see how the factions in Labour

00:01:19.960 are dealing with this.

00:01:21.320 Yes.

00:01:21.420 i think it's very very interesting actually so you remember that last week summer had to address

00:01:26.380 parliament over the vetting decision surrounding peter mandelson and he looks kind of terrified

00:01:32.980 frankly and look at his body language there well i i i heard about it i haven't watched this yet

00:01:37.100 are we going to watch much of this we're not going to watch it um i'm just going to talk about it but

00:01:40.220 you you can see the faces on rachel reeves and david lammy there stummer's body language is quite

00:01:45.640 small and defensive and he he looked frankly terrified throughout this whole thing well

00:01:50.680 Rachel Reeves is sitting there like an aged King Charles Spaniel

00:01:53.500 waiting to die.

00:01:56.320 Lammy looks like he's just miserable.

00:01:58.180 Yeah, Lammy looks like he's sat outside the headmistress's office

00:02:00.760 after having done something very naughty.

00:02:03.200 And Starmer, yeah, he's just...

00:02:05.420 I'm now going to argue my case, even though I know I'm in the wrong.

00:02:08.920 Yes.

00:02:09.420 Yeah, that's basically what's happening.

00:02:10.840 And he spends this whole time hiding behind proceduralism.

00:02:14.180 It's like the procedures were followed.

00:02:15.900 There was an error with the procedure, but I had it changed.

00:02:18.620 and badenock had him at one point bang to rights on a minor technicality as it and it's it's really

00:02:25.160 petty for you and i we'd be like what are you talking about who cares but for him so the the

00:02:31.680 question that badenock got him on was when he told parliament about uh when he found out the

00:02:38.100 mandelson had failed his vetting and he didn't tell parliament that previous wednesday even though

00:02:44.520 because that was the earliest opportunity he'd done it on like the thursday or something right

00:02:48.320 so it's like it's really really petty oh yeah but that goes to the core of who starborough is

00:02:55.200 and actually i'll tell you the reason why that's so important is because his whole attack line

00:03:00.600 against boris johnson back in the covid days was that yeah that well specifically that you did not

00:03:06.120 uh that you misled parliament and you didn't update them at the earliest possible convenience

00:03:09.680 so he had so even though it's a day and it sounds like nothing to him that is i mean that's his

00:03:14.460 origin story yeah no absolutely it's and and don't get me wrong bedrock was it was good to get him on

00:03:19.660 that point because that is something that affects him but it is also somewhat petty fogging and kind

00:03:25.920 of irrelevant to the larger point that we're seeing being played out in the labor party in

00:03:29.980 public at the moment uh anyway yeah like i said starmer changed the process so appointments can't

00:03:34.380 be made until security vetting is passed as if that was anything to do with mandelson like but

00:03:40.920 we'll get to that but again again why why did you not do the security vetting yeah we'll get to it

00:03:46.740 there's a lot here right um and starmer of course claimed that he was kept ignorant by the civil

00:03:52.180 service he wasn't told about the the security vetting uh he didn't ask them any questions

00:03:57.420 about mandelson so as in you the allegation that we'll get to in a minute is just starmer demanded

00:04:03.660 it be mandelson and asked nothing further uh and that's that's the point because he knows full well

00:04:08.360 that if he doesn't ask,

00:04:10.680 he can't say that he knew later

00:04:13.500 when he didn't know.

00:04:15.180 But, you know,

00:04:16.720 he didn't even meet with Mandelson

00:04:18.020 before appointing him as US ambassador.

00:04:20.660 It's really weird, isn't it?

00:04:21.720 Yeah.

00:04:22.320 Why was Peter Mandelson so important?

00:04:24.740 And the most damning charge

00:04:25.900 I think he made against the civil service

00:04:27.420 was there was a decision made by them

00:04:29.980 to hide information from him,

00:04:31.900 which again is something

00:04:32.600 we'll come back to in a bit.

00:04:34.240 So anyway, Emily Thornberry

00:04:35.660 chaired a select committee meeting with ollie robbins the fired civil servant who has been

00:04:42.260 taking the fall for this uh and ollie just came out swinging at starmer now this is all quite

00:04:49.180 surprising because i mean starmer is the the probably the one politician you'd expect maximal

00:04:55.560 compliance from the civil service from he's their kind of man he's got their kind of agenda he

00:05:01.540 believes their kind of things and he loves their kind of procedures so why is he at war with his

00:05:06.860 own civil service well because he'd rather throw them under the bus than go under the bus himself

00:05:11.260 well that's the point isn't it that's a great point throwing people under the bus is exactly

00:05:16.780 what starmer does and everyone's noticed this yes why is he throwing people under the bus

00:05:20.880 which is something we'll come to so anyway sorry in fact ollie robbins did did say that he didn't

00:05:28.080 he didn't use a term for under the bus he said something like one of these things he was asked

00:05:33.480 to give a specific on an on another civil servant who um is connected with this and he said he said

00:05:41.300 some version of oh i'm not gonna i'm not gonna you know put throw this person under the bus or

00:05:45.520 something like that he said yeah but he said it in such a way as to be clear that he thought that

00:05:50.500 was exactly what was happening to him so that is the perception percolating through the civil

00:05:55.380 service very much so um so anyway ollie robbins uh in this in this meeting uh said that the cabinet

00:06:03.520 office as an under starmer and mcstweeney had suggested there was no need to vet mandelson

00:06:07.820 at all they'd applied constant pressure uh to approve mandelson's appointment and took a

00:06:13.340 dismissive attitude to vetting which i honestly quite believe uh mandelson was given uh access

00:06:19.880 to the FCDO building to low-classification IT

00:06:23.600 and to higher-classification briefings

00:06:25.240 before he was granted security clearance.

00:06:27.980 And remember, in advance of this,

00:06:29.160 he had been essentially controlling the Labour Party

00:06:31.700 with Morgan McSweeney on the spreadsheet

00:06:33.440 of who can become MP or not.

00:06:35.860 Actually, I think it's even worse than that.

00:06:38.140 So, like you say, he got access to the building.

00:06:40.500 Now, that little pass that he wore around his neck

00:06:42.320 that got him into the building

00:06:43.320 and got him into all the secure rooms inside the building,

00:06:46.200 the date on that was something like the 6th of January.

00:06:49.500 Really?

00:06:49.880 Yeah. Then the, I forget the exact specific, but something like the 6th of January and the vetting process began on the 8th of January.

00:06:58.500 Very interesting.

00:06:59.100 So the vetting process began after he had full access to the highest classified level.

00:07:04.000 Really strange, isn't it?

00:07:05.080 Yes.

00:07:06.960 Just almost in comparison, how could anyone have this level of access?

00:07:11.740 Well, because he's one of the original dark lords of the Labour Party.

00:07:14.280 exactly and i think that what this is showing us is how the the dark lords in the labor party

00:07:20.280 operate and i don't doubt this very conservative as well so anyway uh number 10 showed no interest

00:07:24.600 in the actual vetting the entire focus was just getting mandelson to washington as quickly as

00:07:28.360 possible uh so yeah like you say sama had appointed him before the checks no need to check the claim

00:07:32.860 and the argument that they made was mandelson was a lord and on the privy council and therefore we

00:07:37.440 don't need to do any checks it's like okay but he's also peter mandelson and he's only been fired

00:07:41.340 what three times now for misconduct so i mean why would you why would you suspect

00:07:44.980 for the man who keeps getting binned from government why would you suspect anything

00:07:49.800 a bit iffy about the prince of darkness yes um yeah anyway so there's you know lots of these

00:07:55.380 updates but um the same thing uh was applied to matthew doyle who was again uh suspended from

00:08:03.140 labor over his links to a pedophile because he was campaigning for a convicted pedophile

00:08:06.820 for some reason.

00:08:07.900 Or a different one to Epstein.

00:08:09.040 Yeah.

00:08:10.120 Crops up a lot.

00:08:10.960 Well, he was made a lord as well.

00:08:12.340 Yes, of course.

00:08:12.920 And so that's very interesting, isn't it?

00:08:14.320 It's like lords in the Labour Party

00:08:16.360 who have direct links to pedophiles,

00:08:18.300 convicted pedophiles, literally.

00:08:19.680 In Mandelson's case, Epstein.

00:08:20.960 In Doyle's case,

00:08:21.660 I can't remember the name of the chap

00:08:22.820 who is campaigning for now.

00:08:24.700 It's weird that at the higher levels of government

00:08:26.860 it's such an occupational hazard

00:08:28.280 that you run into pedos all the time.

00:08:30.540 Well, I don't know if I'd call it weird.

00:08:33.780 Structural?

00:08:34.140 that's more the point yes right and i think that's what's behind mandelson being accelerated up the

00:08:41.320 ranks by starmer uh anyway so yeah the um ollie robbins uh testified uh in complete defense of

00:08:49.280 the civil service yeah obviously you know and so you can see this this rift has occurred between

00:08:54.780 starmer who expected a clean interface into the civil service and the civil service who wanted to

00:09:01.140 interface with Starmer but are being asked to do something they know at some point is going to come

00:09:05.260 back to haunt them right with the Mandelson stuff then there was constant pressure applied we didn't

00:09:08.960 really understand it's like yeah I think you probably did understand why I think they understood

00:09:13.700 exactly what was going on and that's why they didn't press very hard to give Starmer an update

00:09:18.440 because they knew that Starmer knew that he didn't want to ask questions and therefore could cover

00:09:22.780 himself later by saying that I didn't know I remember none of this would be happening if Trump

00:09:28.120 hadn't dropped the Epstein files

00:09:29.500 and it had implicated Mandelson

00:09:31.060 because we saw all of his...

00:09:32.860 Oh yeah, Mandelson was still being posted today.

00:09:34.620 Absolutely.

00:09:35.220 Yeah, with the highest level of security clearance.

00:09:36.880 So all of these people who are currently like,

00:09:38.980 yeah, I mean, Keir Starmer forced us to do it.

00:09:41.700 Well, you stayed quiet and were completely complicit

00:09:44.560 until it got blown up through events beyond your control

00:09:47.840 that has now ruined you.

00:09:49.500 This has caused all this issue.

00:09:51.480 So the distance they're trying to create

00:09:53.780 between Starmer's administration and the civil service

00:09:56.060 just doesn't really exist.

00:09:57.160 it's only accidentally that we happen to know all of these things and that this event is even

00:10:01.880 blowing up in the in their face in the first place i mean ollie robbins was like yeah i uh

00:10:06.440 i regret all of this i regret everything he claims that he had done the process as starmer had laid

00:10:12.060 it out uh and starmer to be to his credit does seem to be in the wrong here but again you were

00:10:18.200 completely complicit in everything and the only reason this is happening is because of events

00:10:23.100 beyond your control. Anyway, 10 Downing Street responded to this, denying the constant pressure,

00:10:28.560 saying, well, we were just asking about the appointment process for the vetting. We were

00:10:33.600 not needing any vetting. They say, well, we were discussing it with the cabinet office,

00:10:41.140 foreign office officials, and security clearance. But these talks concluded there would need to be

00:10:45.180 vetting. They denied that they were... Yeah, they had already appointed him. That's a really weak

00:10:49.240 point exactly it was in the building yeah they they denied they were only leaning against clearance

00:10:54.640 for madison uh saying the vetting body clearly recommended against and this should have been

00:10:57.960 communicated to the pm and they refused uh refused to deny robin's claim that he was told

00:11:02.840 found find an ambassadorship for then comms director matthew doyle lord doyle who was

00:11:07.720 uh kicked out for being associated with the pedophile do you know what he failed the vetting

00:11:12.780 actually on yes it was uh business links to china and russia yeah russian a russian and chinese firm

00:11:18.100 it was actually nothing to do with the epstein stuff at all nothing at all and that's why they

00:11:21.900 got him through because because the the advice came back and they said well and actually the

00:11:26.140 advice it wasn't advice at that stage it was he's got these links to this russian and chinese firm

00:11:30.860 um and so they're leaning towards not and ollie robinson who was under pressure said well can we

00:11:37.640 put in place mitigation such as if he ever has any dealings with those two firms then it can be

00:11:42.960 disclosed and someone else can sit in the meeting and something like that and because of those

00:11:46.640 mitigations that was how you how he's able to sort of squeak through clearance it's got weird

00:11:52.800 sort of echoes of hunter biden being on the board of burisma taking money from chinese firms and

00:11:57.640 things yeah it's a bit like that like it feels that what's happening is actually there's a network

00:12:01.480 of um compromised people who become loyal through the compromise that they have on one another

00:12:07.300 and then foreign money is funneled through these networks and then they run the western world and

00:12:12.000 they happen to be yeah then they accelerate oh he's our man in that network and therefore

00:12:16.400 and i'm just going to call this the epstein network because epstein was clearly a core part

00:12:21.760 of this yes and it genuinely seems like um pedophile compromise i'm sure there's other

00:12:26.400 important nodes but he was clearly one of them yeah yeah i'm sure there are other important

00:12:30.060 nodes but he was also quite a public facing uh feature of it um so an interesting thing is uh

00:12:37.220 emily thornberry has been doing another select committee today and this came out today of uh

00:12:43.400 uh philip barton uh admitting the permanent private secretary is not unheard of for them

00:12:49.040 to withhold information from their bosses uh emily thornbury as artemis for now points out

00:12:53.900 is stunned um but yeah i mean this is the kind of thing that they do like the the permanent civil

00:12:59.720 service have their own interests to protect and they are very ideologically aligned with labor

00:13:05.600 they obviously want to work with the epstein network but they do have to look out for themselves

00:13:10.880 So if it's a sensible decision not to give certain kind of information

00:13:16.620 to the prime minister, well, then, yeah,

00:13:18.560 it's not unheard of that they'll withhold it.

00:13:19.780 Yeah, I mean, on a broader point, that's absolutely true,

00:13:23.540 and I'm sure that happens all the time.

00:13:25.260 Yeah, absolutely.

00:13:25.640 But in this particular case, it was made incredibly easy

00:13:29.420 by Starmer being so remarkably uncurious.

00:13:32.480 Yes, but also so belligerent.

00:13:34.380 No, I want it done.

00:13:36.480 Yeah, so he was belligerent before, and the moment it happened,

00:13:38.960 he then didn't engage at all he didn't ask any questions he didn't say how did it go he didn't

00:13:43.640 ask he didn't even meet mandelson he didn't do it he did no follow-up whatsoever and this is a

00:13:47.700 consistent theme actually with starmer that everybody reports he's just remarkably uncurious

00:13:53.380 so so often there'd be a space of an hour or two a day where he takes himself off to a room and he

00:13:58.660 reads a whole load of papers that have been given to him and it is normal for prime minister to come

00:14:04.140 out of there with scribblings or points. We must do this, that. I didn't agree with that. This is

00:14:09.520 fine. And people get a sense of what's going on. Starmer apparently walks out of those every time

00:14:13.860 and says nothing to anybody. You don't know if he's got an opinion, if he has an opinion,

00:14:18.340 what he wants you to do. And so everybody's kind of running on rails because Starmer is just kind

00:14:23.620 of this blank void of not only charisma, but purpose. Yes. And the purpose is one of those

00:14:30.540 interesting things um that we need to get to but the way that i would characterize this so far is

00:14:37.220 i think what's happening is starmer as the representative of the epstein network

00:14:41.660 in the british government is actually struggling with the deep state of britain

00:14:45.760 about uh this accidental bomb that trump has dropped on them and who's going to be holding

00:14:52.340 the fallout from it and the question that is continually ducked which you have brought up is

00:14:58.000 why did Starmer want Mandelson?

00:15:01.000 Because this is where it starts to become very evident

00:15:03.180 that actually it is part of the network,

00:15:05.720 and it is one of those things,

00:15:07.400 because otherwise there is no motive.

00:15:09.460 If Starmer isn't acting as an agent

00:15:11.180 of this foreign influence network,

00:15:13.560 then why is he doing any of the things that he does?

00:15:16.960 Well, I could expand.

00:15:21.120 Well, there's more.

00:15:23.260 So today, I mean, literally like an hour ago,

00:15:25.820 morgan mcsweeney was testifying at the same select committee with emily thornbury chairing

00:15:30.860 uh and the fact that it's emily thornbury chairing is quite important as well because

00:15:34.860 emily thornbury isn't part of the epstein network nor is she part of the primary enemies of the

00:15:41.120 epstein network she's a labor grandee but she's the other part of it she's the soft left yeah

00:15:47.360 soft left she's the sort of person who posts the pictures of england flags on the guy's house and

00:15:51.840 go see look at this england flags it's like yeah but emily you that's normal that you know that's

00:15:57.360 there's nothing wrong with that so anyway she uh she's been uh i mean i would say grilling but it's

00:16:02.500 really just lightly interviewing morgan mcsweeney can we play a little bit i've never heard it speak

00:16:08.320 uh irish accent very few of these people are english by the way and i mean one of the other

00:16:13.340 problems was that kia didn't like him i mean the again for the new statesman kia doesn't even like

00:16:19.000 him and never really has he's not Keir's sort of person um and the foreign office definitely didn't

00:16:24.840 like him um as far as we can tell and then of course there's all the red flags so all of these

00:16:29.560 things are problems you know getting in the way of Peter Mandelson becoming ambassador but you

00:16:34.060 still wanted him to be ambassador right at the time in Downing Street um there was conversations

00:16:41.340 about who could be the best candidate

00:16:43.860 and names that were considered

00:16:48.300 and most people were making pros and cons arguments.

00:16:51.200 I have to say, I know that a lot of people now say

00:16:53.940 they told the Prime Minister they were against it at the time.

00:16:57.360 Everything I know about how the Prime Minister works

00:16:59.620 is he will consult widely, he will take a lot of views on

00:17:02.780 and if everybody else was opposed to this appointment but me,

00:17:06.640 he would not have made an appointment such as that.

00:17:10.680 He does like to try to build consensus within his team

00:17:13.820 and to get a wide range of views.

00:17:16.820 Right.

00:17:18.060 Now, this is really interesting.

00:17:21.680 Thornberry is pointing out, well, look,

00:17:23.300 everyone knows Starmer actually doesn't like Mandelson.

00:17:27.320 Right?

00:17:27.680 Starmer is not the kind of guy who would willingly hang out with Mandelson.

00:17:31.460 Starmer is the kind of guy who hangs out with Lord Hermit,

00:17:34.020 who's his one, like, long-term friend.

00:17:37.120 Right?

00:17:37.620 Mandelson, you know, he's a party animal.

00:17:40.200 He loves socializing.

00:17:41.640 He loves making connections.

00:17:42.980 He loves getting dirt on people.

00:17:45.380 Starmer is not.

00:17:45.980 So why is Starmer insistent on Mandelson?

00:17:48.540 Well, it's because it seems like he's the servant of some higher power.

00:17:51.660 And what I found really interesting about McSweeney here,

00:17:54.540 that, look how quickly, like, he thinks he's about to be attacked.

00:18:00.780 Right?

00:18:01.540 Watch it.

00:18:02.060 Watch it.

00:18:03.280 There was conversations about who could be.

00:18:06.900 Look at that.

00:18:07.320 Sorry, do you think there's an assassin coming, Morgan?

00:18:12.140 That is prey-animal behaviour, isn't it?

00:18:14.800 That is a man who thinks he's in imminent physical danger.

00:18:18.920 He probably feels that all the time.

00:18:20.360 I think most leftists feel this all the time.

00:18:22.740 I think this is about being a part of a particular kind of network. 0.54

00:18:29.000 Well, it could be that, but leftists are very low-T individuals.

00:18:32.600 Maybe.

00:18:33.300 They're just constantly scared.

00:18:34.980 That's why they're so spiteful.

00:18:36.200 Maybe.

00:18:36.480 but um out out of this i think is quite an important uh point which is there's no natural

00:18:43.560 reason that starma would want mandelson yeah i can get i mean i can give a little bit of background

00:18:48.640 on on this sort of origin story of this chap here as it comes in so basically as we know the early

00:18:55.580 days of the new labor movement was the great darkness himself tony blair and then his two

00:19:01.300 of his arch uncleans which was alistair campbell and peter mandelson and the three of them kind of

00:19:05.600 did new labor and there were loads of other people around like jack straw yeah but those were the big

00:19:09.720 three yeah those are the dry when when um tony blair sat down in his office and closed the doors

00:19:15.580 those were the three people in the room and they decided the real direction of what was going to

00:19:18.740 happen anyway early on in the tony blair government um mandelson did whatever however you do the dark

00:19:25.680 arts of how you do his job presumably pentagrams were drawn orphan children arrived candles were

00:19:30.540 it and he unfurled a wing and out of the wing pit a spore plopped Morgan McSweeney so he he in the

00:19:38.420 in the Blair government he was a young 20 year old brought on by Mandelson now of course Mandelson

00:19:43.920 does his thing and gets involved in scandals gets brought back scandal uh buggers off again scandal

00:19:49.420 off he goes but he continued to gestate in the body of of the of the new Labour party and continue

00:19:56.320 to climb up the rank and now he's whatever he is mid-40s or something and he's achieved a

00:20:00.260 position of power so a lot of people think that he is he or he was Keir Starmer's chief of staff

00:20:06.960 a far more accurate way to look at it is that Keir Starmer was his prime minister so he was

00:20:13.720 there first and he was casting around at the end of the Corbyn era and it's like okay well I'm I'm

00:20:19.340 the functionary for the Blair right wing of this party Corbyn can't last who do we go to and he

00:20:28.640 identified Starmer he was brought into parliament he was then fast-tracked through the process

00:20:32.840 really quickly and when it came to be who was leader the the most powerful labor faction which

00:20:38.760 was functionally led by him picked Keir Starmer so so Starmer is his creation not the other way

00:20:45.360 around right correct and he is Mandelson's creation he's Mandelson and he's Mandelson's

00:20:49.420 creation right he was advocating so hard yes and throughout this thing he says well look

00:20:54.720 i i didn't know i didn't know it's like i don't believe that right oh yeah for a second i mean

00:21:01.520 like he he's got a very strange history as well when he was 17 he spent like six months in an

00:21:05.280 israeli kibbutz and things like that and then he went straight out of uh university into the

00:21:10.920 labor party in the in the sort of um that's the summoning i was referring to yeah it's it's very

00:21:16.180 brought on by manelson yes you know for an irish lad you know how how this is his like life

00:21:22.700 trajectory is very peculiar and i can't explain it i wish i knew how you had to be compromised

00:21:27.040 because because you know i could have achieved high political office if i just offered myself

00:21:30.780 up to whatever process it is yeah so anyway uh in going back to the previous uh 1.00

00:21:37.720 parliamentary appearance where uh we started uh diane abbott absolutely destroys keir starmer 1.00

00:21:44.640 here and we'll watch a bit of it because it's funny. The Prime Minister has gone on at considerable

00:21:53.460 length about process and procedure but ordinary people don't really care about process and

00:22:02.740 procedure. They want transparency and they want to know that they can have confidence

00:22:09.420 in the words of elected politicians like all of us in this chamber on the question of Peter

00:22:17.720 Mandelson it was in the 90s that Peter Mandelson had to resign for the cabinet for the first time

00:22:26.080 because of his dealings with the millionaire Jeffrey Robinson it was a few years later he had

00:22:35.260 to resign for the cabinet for the second time because of his relationships with the billionaire

00:22:41.520 hinduja family peter mandelton has a history

00:22:48.180 based down how it gets exactly it's not like peter mandelton wasn't some known property

00:22:55.400 you there isn't just there's nowhere to hide here there's absolutely nowhere to hide and in fact

00:23:00.440 it was john mcdonald who really drove the nail home on this right and isn't the reality this

00:23:07.360 that when he sought to realize his ambition to become leader of the labor party

00:23:12.780 with very little base within the party he became dependent on max sweeney and mandelson

00:23:20.320 and labor together to organize fund his election and that when he became prime minister the reward

00:23:27.440 for Max Sweeney was control of number 10 and for Mandelson the highest diplomatic office

00:23:34.440 and the message the unspoken message to civil servants was what Mandelson wants Mandelson gets

00:23:41.560 this has damaged the party that I've been a member of for 50 years I urge him I urge him

00:23:49.620 i urge him to take steps to clear this toxic culture out of our party and take the first

00:23:57.780 step by having an independent inquiry yeah now it's important to note that mcdonald and abbott

00:24:06.200 are not a part of the epstein faction in fact they were one of the primary opponents of the

00:24:11.780 epstein faction yeah they're hard left yeah they're hard left right uh and so is jeremy corbyn

00:24:17.920 and the epstein faction used allegations of anti-semitism to crush them yes drive corbyn

00:24:24.160 out of the party you notice that he made reference to labor working together so that is basically the

00:24:30.060 labor party's officio assassinorum yes that that is how they they they basically take people out

00:24:36.420 with what you said i mean they they will use the anti-semitism because that normally works but they

00:24:41.800 use anything else that they need to as well anything they can get their hands on um but this

00:24:46.260 what he said there, we need to get rid of that toxic

00:24:49.180 culture. He's speaking specifically

00:24:50.860 about the Epstein network, named the people

00:24:53.260 at the top of it who are in control of

00:24:55.220 the actual infrastructure and the executive

00:24:57.220 function of the party, and he's saying

00:24:59.240 look, you've got to get rid of these. Now

00:25:01.140 Starmer's never going to do that, but he denies

00:25:03.480 this obviously, because he's never going to do that

00:25:05.220 because he is a creature

00:25:07.140 of this network, because I think this network does

00:25:09.220 work on compromise, which is why it's the Epstein

00:25:11.220 network, and not some other

00:25:13.240 network, but it's all coming out

00:25:15.280 and Starmer's being left holding this hot potato.

00:25:18.260 And I think John McDonnell's right.

00:25:20.360 The Epstein Network is the patron of Starmer in the Labour Party.

00:25:24.900 It's how he got his position, as McDonnell told him.

00:25:27.520 He didn't have an organic base,

00:25:29.200 but he had the backing of these people

00:25:31.700 who have deep pockets and strong grips.

00:25:34.820 And you can understand why John McDonnell in particular

00:25:37.340 is upset about this,

00:25:38.240 because, of course, he was the number two for Jeremy Corbyn.

00:25:40.880 Oh, yeah.

00:25:41.760 And Abbott the number three.

00:25:42.980 Well, yes.

00:25:43.640 and and this was an old battle that tony blair had previously won which was expunging the hard

00:25:49.060 left and bringing in the the blair right the compromise fraction as you might might think of

00:25:52.960 it and then the the hard left was basically pushed aside and then they had that brief moment of

00:25:57.800 revival when when corbin unexpectedly became leader because ed meliband foolishly changed

00:26:02.220 the rules so that anyone could sign up for five pounds i signed up under like 10 different names

00:26:06.460 um yeah and and anyway so then and then he lost to therese may yes and then um he he had got sort

00:26:14.100 of pushed out of it so for him this this is an entirely sort of personal um bit of a personal

00:26:19.200 vendetta as well what was it therese may or boris johnson who crushed corbyn actually no it would

00:26:23.760 have been i'm sure it was may it was 20 no it was may may won very very narrowly that's right because

00:26:29.200 she had a majority and then it was a lot shakier well so so she called an early election and then

00:26:34.580 And Corbyn lost, but he lost on far more votes and a higher vote share than Keir Starmer won on.

00:26:42.060 And they kept coping about it, saying, look, we won that election.

00:26:44.440 It's like, no, no, you did lose.

00:26:45.520 It's like, yeah, okay, we didn't lose as badly as we thought we were going to.

00:26:47.300 Yeah, but they lost well.

00:26:48.660 Which is a victory for us.

00:26:49.980 But the reason why he's so offended by this is because during that Corbyn process,

00:26:56.060 Starmer had himself suitably oiled and attached to Corbyn.

00:26:59.760 Yes, Starmer was awful.

00:27:01.320 he basically lied to the Labour Party membership

00:27:03.940 saying no no no I'm one of you

00:27:06.020 I'm one of you

00:27:06.600 and then the second he gains power

00:27:08.000 Corbyn's out

00:27:09.280 he nearly kicked Diane Abbott out

00:27:10.480 he nearly kicked John McDonough

00:27:11.360 he tried to on both of them

00:27:13.560 in fact on Diane Abbott he got overturned

00:27:16.560 but it was quite a fight

00:27:18.660 but she's so well entrenched in Tower Hamilets 0.98

00:27:21.820 or wherever it is that she is 0.97

00:27:22.980 Hackney

00:27:23.300 Hackney that's it

00:27:24.220 but this entire time where he was shadow chancellor

00:27:28.620 yeah Starmer was there

00:27:30.800 oiled and attached and being a spokesman and what he and what he was doing is he because he was a

00:27:36.300 fresh mp at that point he was building his power levels with the network being run by mcsweeney

00:27:41.860 so the moment the labor uh was it labor friends working together or something like that he

00:27:46.620 mentioned i think it's just called labor together labor together yeah so as soon as the officio

00:27:50.640 assassinorum of the labor party could remove corbyn the moment that he lost an election

00:27:55.600 suddenly um starmer flipped it was like ah i've never i never actually was your guy even though

00:28:02.380 i spent the last five years telling you i was a guy anti-semitism is unacceptable and now i'm

00:28:07.300 going to use the um the labor friends together thing to have you taken out yes and this and

00:28:13.220 this is the starmer mcsweeney sort of control and the mandelson control of the the sort of

00:28:18.960 core infrastructure of the labor party but it's all dark hearts it's it's none of it is front

00:28:23.260 facing it's all behind the scenes and all of this was in facing perfectly well with the civil service

00:28:27.600 until trump's dropped the bomb on them yes right and this is the thing we've got to remember it's

00:28:31.540 like no these people are not being wrenched apart because they want to be they were very happy doing

00:28:37.080 everything behind the scenes because somebody's going to sink into the oil and starmer's damned

00:28:40.620 if it's him but the but none of this was happening until trump wrenches open this this ray of light

00:28:47.120 onto it you know they were completely happy to go along with it uh anyway so going back to the

00:28:53.180 mcsweeney thing um i'm just going to summarize a bunch of things i was watching it i watched it

00:28:57.200 before we came on to record this uh morgan's basically confessing everything um he says

00:29:02.360 that peter mandelson would not have got the job of kamala harris had been elected u.s president

00:29:05.700 so peter mandelson was chosen specifically by keir starmer even though keir starmer doesn't

00:29:13.280 like peter mandelson and i think it's because peter mandelson is best buddies with jeffrey

00:29:17.720 epstein sends him all the information and all this stuff and the epstein network is embedded

00:29:23.780 in the trumpet i mean there was there was a yeah there was a dark interpretation of that which is

00:29:27.840 what you just said which is having if somebody from the network gets in yep on the u.s side

00:29:34.640 we need our best man in the network to go and interface with their network men and if kamala

00:29:41.680 harris had won well i guess they would have chosen someone else yeah i mean the the two people they

00:29:46.640 would have found somebody that lines up with her network the the two people who were up for the

00:29:50.200 ambassador job were mandelson and george osborne i'm not saying anything about george osborne i

00:29:55.340 don't know anything about george osborne really i mean he was the chancellor but like you know in

00:29:58.340 this when it comes to the dark arts and the mysteries surrounding the the back end of

00:30:02.660 politics i don't know if he's involved but the question becomes raised well okay it was mandelson

00:30:08.760 for trump but if kamala had won would it been osborne i don't know why was he even up for the

00:30:15.380 job like what why i mean it's not like osborne is completely divorced from that network i mean

00:30:25.180 bear in mind that him and mandelson were you know it was a minor scandal at the time but a scandal

00:30:31.060 none the less they were both on the same billionaire's yacht um private party so it's

00:30:37.980 is not like osborne is completely out of that world so he's not as ingratiated as mandelson

00:30:42.480 but he's not out of it either yeah and like i said i'm not casting any aspersions on osborne

00:30:46.160 i don't know anything about osborne's personal life behind the scenes but the question is just

00:30:51.120 why was he the other guy and it kind of implies okay i've got two people seems to be dependent

00:30:56.340 on who wins the election that's what it sounds like to me anyway he carries on and says um that

00:31:02.020 mandelson was picked uh because donald trump and as i said kirstarmer did not have enough

00:31:06.160 information because mandel mandelson did not share the necessary information yes everyone

00:31:10.240 knows and also because he didn't ask you didn't ask but also like dan abbott pointed out it's

00:31:14.580 mandelson yes everyone knows he's you know oh mandelson claims i'm not jeffrey epstein's friend

00:31:19.940 anymore it's like there are pictures of him giving epstein birthday cakes and things like this like

00:31:24.940 look no one no one thinks this um and and that was known at the time yeah yeah this none of this

00:31:31.380 was a secret at all yeah long-term knowledge uh and morgan mcsweeney says he thought manderson

00:31:37.080 cared about his party and country and at least be honest with his prime minister which no but

00:31:42.320 none of you expected to have to go through this process because none of you none of you thought

00:31:45.560 the epstein files had dropped and also starmer didn't speak to him so so you know even if

00:31:50.780 manderson was was a you know even if he's got the worst poker face of the world and he would

00:31:55.340 have gushed all out on light examination yeah starmer didn't ask him any of it he didn't even

00:31:59.660 meet with him. But he doesn't want to, right? Because as Emily Thoroughby pointed out, they

00:32:03.420 don't like each other. He doesn't like Mandelson. Like, he's not Starmer's kind of guy. They

00:32:07.320 wouldn't actually hang out. Anyway, another point that was made is that Keir Starmer held a meeting

00:32:14.660 in mid-December where a decision was made to appoint Lord Mandelson as US ambassador. There's

00:32:18.340 no record of this meeting. There's no minutes of discussions or the reason at the time. The

00:32:22.500 cabinet office simply can't find it. It doesn't appear to exist. So it really is a significant

00:32:26.420 meeting on the appointment of the u.s ambassador one which had huge ramifications for starmer's

00:32:29.760 premiership it only appears to exist in the memory of those who are present as in this was done off

00:32:34.440 the record right so we were trying to keep as much as we can off the record because nobody really

00:32:40.880 wants it because i mean you don't think that the epstein files are going to drop but maybe they do

00:32:46.400 and anyway and then you've got manderson giving the highest level of security clearance which

00:32:53.080 again is really weird and i think it does tie into the fact that uh mandelson was the person

00:32:58.600 who drove out the corbinites because of course they're not a part of the epstein network

00:33:02.840 mcsweeney ends up claiming that he didn't know anything about this it was a knife through my

00:33:08.040 soul when i discovered mandelson's at the extent of mandelson's links to jeffrey epstein well yeah

00:33:12.980 because that's his mollocks well that's because no what he's wounded there of is that mandelson

00:33:18.860 is his sire and and and now that his dark sire is being you know splash with holy water or however

00:33:24.520 it works and you know criminal justice system um yeah he's affected by that it's a key node in his

00:33:30.820 network he's being damaged that's what that's why he's upset yeah uh anyway so what we're what we're

00:33:35.960 seeing is the two warring factions in labor the corbinites and the epstein network and they're

00:33:39.420 not the only factions but the two that are currently at war and the corbinites uh have

00:33:43.860 really struck hard here because the epstein files have exposed the epstein network um

00:33:49.840 another thing that robbie ollie robbins pointed out with it is that they were pressuring him to

00:33:56.800 give matthew doyle some ambassadorship again the guy disgraced because he was campaigning for a

00:34:01.520 pedophile for anyone doesn't know this is baron doyle um but he was still giving the peerage

00:34:06.040 despite the links to it he's still lord doyle he hasn't even been forced to resign as well

00:34:10.660 mandelson was at least forced to leave the house of lords but not uh lord doyle for some reason i

00:34:16.780 mean this must have been quite difficult for ollie robbins because he is a career civil service and

00:34:20.500 at the time of this there were cuts to the foreign and commonwealth office meaning that he was having

00:34:25.980 to fire a great number of very senior very experienced diplomats and then two of the

00:34:32.520 plushest jobs go to two labor apparatchiks with no diplomatic experience whatsoever but people

00:34:40.000 who seem to be connected to the same network well there was that which appears to involve

00:34:44.380 compromise yes um and the long-running question about epstein and the political influence network

00:34:53.640 that he was peddling was how do they maintain loyalty and control over their network and it

00:34:59.620 seems to be through this kind of dark compromise and on that note a fifth rent boy has hit the

00:35:09.140 white that hit the twin towers a second a fifth one has been arrested over arson attacks on

00:35:16.080 properties linked to kia starmer yeah now you remind me of this i'm changing my mind i'm glad

00:35:21.580 that in my younger years nobody explained to me how to get into this network because yeah yeah

00:35:26.180 because it's it's it seems to be quite dark and now we can only make inferences on the evidence

00:35:32.420 that the the data points that present themselves this this this fifth arrest is he like just out

00:35:41.060 of interest i haven't seen the fifth arrest is he out of interest just like all the other ones which

00:35:45.200 which is to say i don't know young boyish good-looking in a sort of boy i haven't seen

00:35:51.120 a picture of way i mean and they haven't released his name right this was a 19 year old who was

00:35:56.880 arrested so hang on he's 19 now yes he's as of today he's 19 yes and keir starmer lived at those

00:36:07.460 addresses like four or five years ago something like that a fifth man these were properties

00:36:12.300 linked to keir starmer but in fact we've got the fact sorry but what why yes the trial has begun

00:36:19.180 it began yesterday right right so we're from uh labor heartlands left-wing news views and opinion

00:36:25.940 uh we are we are informed and by the way there's no reporting restriction on the rent boy trial

00:36:31.900 and we know because a few of our friends are down there reporting on it nothing in nothing

00:36:37.260 very interesting nothing will happen early on yeah but but the point is there's no reporting

00:36:41.160 restrictions but none of the press are there oh thank goodness we got people there then

00:36:45.660 well exactly anyway uh the alleged incidents unfolded five days in north london in may 2025

00:36:50.580 the first occurred on the 8th of may when a car was satellite in a residential street in kentish

00:36:54.740 town three days later on the 11th of may a fire broke out the front door of a house converted

00:36:58.620 into flats in islington a further fire occurred in the early hours of 12th of may at a property

00:37:02.720 at the same kentish town street the kentish town property was the home where kia starman lived

00:37:06.860 before he became prime minister and moved into downing street he no longer lives at any of the

00:37:10.740 properties at the time of the fires no injuries reported either so hang on i'm just i'm just when

00:37:17.060 did kia starman become prime minister was oh that was only two years ago so yeah okay so technically

00:37:22.900 that latest one

00:37:24.500 he could have been

00:37:25.240 over 16 at least

00:37:26.740 when

00:37:27.140 when he had

00:37:28.320 caused to be upset

00:37:29.460 with

00:37:29.720 Keir Starmer's

00:37:31.380 back door

00:37:31.880 it implies

00:37:33.020 that

00:37:33.760 the events

00:37:35.000 that these young men

00:37:36.140 are angry at Keir Starmer for

00:37:37.500 yes whatever they may be

00:37:38.860 happens

00:37:39.260 yes who knows

00:37:40.120 what they could be

00:37:40.780 yes

00:37:41.220 happened

00:37:41.760 several if not many

00:37:43.620 years ago

00:37:44.300 well

00:37:45.740 hopefully it was the day

00:37:47.400 before he became

00:37:48.320 Prime Minister

00:37:48.880 whatever the event was

00:37:49.900 because at least

00:37:50.660 that way they would be

00:37:51.620 over 16

00:37:52.260 which isn't saying

00:37:53.200 I mean

00:37:53.420 some of them

00:37:54.380 would have been

00:37:54.640 under 18

00:37:55.380 but they would

00:37:56.520 have at least

00:37:57.020 but yeah

00:37:57.640 actually he lived

00:37:58.440 there for a number

00:37:58.840 of years

00:37:59.040 and it could

00:37:59.560 well be

00:38:00.640 for five years

00:38:02.700 ago

00:38:03.180 would line up

00:38:03.900 quite well

00:38:04.860 with the sort

00:38:05.340 of thing

00:38:05.540 we got out

00:38:06.240 of the Epstein

00:38:06.740 files

00:38:07.240 I mean

00:38:07.500 here's

00:38:07.880 Mandelson

00:38:08.240 and Epstein

00:38:08.840 we're praying

00:38:10.460 for a hung

00:38:10.900 parliament

00:38:11.280 in 2010

00:38:11.880 alternatively

00:38:12.880 a well hung

00:38:13.600 young man

00:38:14.240 I mean

00:38:15.140 yeah

00:38:16.320 Matt Mandelson

00:38:17.620 himself is gay

00:38:18.500 and not

00:38:20.040 great surprise

00:38:20.700 but the point

00:38:21.120 is this is

00:38:22.260 i don't know yeah who knows and that's from the top one is from oh no that's from peter mandelton

00:38:30.140 the top one yeah because yeah because epstein likes girls but it seems like anderson it would

00:38:35.380 seem like boys okay fine yeah yeah yeah and because a lot of these young men they were on

00:38:41.240 these apps weren't they on these apps where if you may i think they're male modeling that's how

00:38:46.560 they describe themselves male modeling app so that if you know it's i don't know three o'clock

00:38:50.420 on Saturday morning, and you just need a bit of modelling done,

00:38:54.840 you can get one of these very young, boyish men to turn up

00:38:59.960 and do a spot of modelling for you, because, I don't know,

00:39:02.580 maybe you just need that for whatever reason.

00:39:05.440 And so that's all quite weird and inexplicable stuff.

00:39:08.620 And then you remember where Starmer became the first Prime Minister

00:39:12.000 to take a HIV test, which was bloody weird and inexplicable, isn't it?

00:39:17.240 i mean if he were to just quietly go and have an hiv test being quite famous that's the sort of

00:39:27.180 thing that would leak so you probably can't do that but what you can do is you can do it in your

00:39:33.280 charisma vacuum way on tv or what yeah while being boring while claiming to raise awareness

00:39:41.480 and you get the same outcome you get your hiv test while committing to end new hiv cases in

00:39:47.300 england by 2030 is keir starmer doing his bit to make sure that hiv isn't spread i don't know it

00:39:54.160 was negative for him so that's good news well yeah that is encouraging and then this also ties

00:39:59.500 into rumors swirling around now i can't confirm or deny any of this but uh dan wootton uh who is

00:40:07.020 himself quite plugged into these things uh you'll see here that starmer says his wife victoria is

00:40:12.740 encouraging him to stay on as prime minister i can find her all the time that's the best advice

00:40:16.060 just thankful i got her every day and dan witten uh rebuts this saying no this is a complete lie

00:40:20.780 lady victoria starmer no longer resides in downing street with the children she's more miserable than 1.00

00:40:24.680 she's ever been and wants them out asap uh she's being used as a political tool based on fantasy 1.00

00:40:28.540 now i i don't know what the state of kia starmer's marriage lady i don't know uh but i didn't realize 1.00

00:40:34.780 she was nobility well i mean maybe she was given a peerage or something as well i don't know

00:40:38.900 i didn't look into it to be honest but the point here is it sounds like there's something in kia

00:40:45.720 starmer's personal life that we're not being told about now i mean there are rumors and

00:40:49.240 allegations of him and look like a bastard child and things like this now like i said i don't know

00:40:54.360 any of this if the wife isn't in the house she wouldn't be there while the male modeling jobs 1.00

00:41:00.200 are going on i guess not she but she might have some sort of creative insight on on how to model

00:41:05.580 effectively you you might think but the point is it's not it looks like that i mean there's very

00:41:12.340 rarely smoke without fire right yes especially literally your front door being set on fire by 0.61

00:41:18.140 strangely attractive ukrainian young men like why was it his front door that was burning or was it

00:41:23.300 his back door that i think it was actually the front door front door um but the point is

00:41:29.900 it may be that keir starmer is in private exactly the kind of man who would be compromised by the

00:41:38.700 epstein network no comment i can't i'm not saying this is definitely true i don't know

00:41:48.420 but these are all again data points that are being made very publicly i can understand why

00:41:54.140 some people might start to ask questions here i mean personally i'm i'm completely satisfied

00:41:59.360 and i'm not sure i want the answer yeah i mean i i don't want to be arrested myself so i i draw no

00:42:05.840 further inference however i can understand that one or two people watching this may yeah possibly

00:42:12.020 draw some conclusions yeah you're connected to the epstein network via mandelson you have

00:42:18.760 ukrainian young men attacking where you used to live yeah and you've taken a hiv test and and

00:42:26.640 your wife has moved out and is miserable i mean i i'm just saying i feel like there's more of a

00:42:33.340 story there that we're not being told but any possible isn't it yeah so is starmer the kind

00:42:37.940 a person who is who could be compromised by the epc network well maybe i don't know right now so

00:42:44.880 let's move on to what starma is going to do so how do the public think starma is doing well across

00:42:49.880 basically every way that there are stay hated uh does he stand up for britain abroad now that's his

00:42:54.860 best uh characteristic actually oh the fact that he is minus 20 approval rating on that um minus

00:43:01.840 20 is as good as it gets that's literally the best one on this list yeah uh because he didn't

00:43:06.800 get involved in the iran war oh yeah yeah i mean obviously not good on chagos that's lord hermer's

00:43:12.900 fault so yeah you know but he agrees with that he's the prime minister um but you can see acting

00:43:17.640 in the nation's best interest not really competent my god you know nearly minus 40 sticks to

00:43:22.780 principles no i've never heard him articulate a principle oh apart apart from all the the wanky

00:43:28.920 twaddle about diversity is our strength and that's the only principle i've ever heard

00:43:32.620 anti-semitism and islamophobia his primary principle is keeping the native english people

00:43:38.260 down in their place actually that's true that's true those are the principles yeah he yes yeah

00:43:43.340 so so actually he does stick to his principles why is that just evil well yeah but he sticks to

00:43:48.240 them uh yeah yeah but you know decisive now this this decisive one's a bit unfair he's bloody

00:43:53.720 decisive he kicked out corbyn he's he's literally like starling in the way that he has operated

00:44:00.440 Labour Party. So he is actually

00:44:02.400 decisive. It's just, it's evil

00:44:04.700 and in a way that is not

00:44:06.220 wanted. The public is just wrong in those

00:44:08.360 last two, because you're right, he does stick to his 1.00

00:44:10.380 principles for sticking it to the native British, and

00:44:12.340 he is decisive about it. And so what was the other one you said?

00:44:14.660 Getting things done? Yeah, he does that as well.

00:44:16.920 He's getting a lot done. I mean, abolishing

00:44:18.380 jury trials is a decisive,

00:44:21.280 effective, executive

00:44:22.440 action. Yes. That's getting, I mean, it's

00:44:24.360 just people don't like the things that he's doing.

00:44:26.400 Like, he's doing evil, and it's like, yeah, okay,

00:44:28.480 well. Yeah, but he's doing it competently.

00:44:30.060 he actually is you know trustworthy well not for you but for someone else's network he is pretty

00:44:38.920 trustworthy actually you know he's getting the job done he's he's brave he's being trusted with

00:44:43.580 big decisions sorry for someone else they are all gonna say yes no kia sam is our man of course you

00:44:50.620 being on the raw end of the cutting edge you're gonna be like no i don't like this and so of

00:44:55.160 course you can see likable there right at the bottom uh strong leader shares my views is really

00:45:00.200 bad in touch with ordinary people and represent most people's views no he represents the epstein

00:45:04.860 network very very effectively uh but the point is nobody likes him but the problem that labor have

00:45:13.240 is that nobody really likes anyone else either uh here's you gov asking well i mean you know who

00:45:19.160 who would do a better job and andy burnham kind of oh he's this clear standout choice but

00:45:24.660 36% of the public

00:45:26.140 don't know enough

00:45:26.880 about it anyway

00:45:27.560 so like

00:45:28.680 almost half of people

00:45:29.680 like I don't know

00:45:30.460 or I don't like him

00:45:31.380 so what's his net

00:45:32.700 approval there

00:45:33.600 is it

00:45:33.920 is it the left

00:45:34.960 34

00:45:35.640 34

00:45:37.040 much better

00:45:37.700 or somewhat better

00:45:38.560 34

00:45:39.220 okay a third of people

00:45:40.780 think you'll be better

00:45:41.540 than the most hated

00:45:42.160 prime minister ever

00:45:43.020 that's terrible

00:45:44.900 good god man

00:45:46.900 like you'd think

00:45:48.080 just putting up

00:45:48.800 a literal

00:45:49.720 empty suit

00:45:50.940 would at least

00:45:51.700 put you on zero

00:45:52.500 like

00:45:53.360 but you're not even

00:45:54.420 you don't even have half of the people being like

00:45:56.940 that is a ridiculously low bar

00:45:58.340 if anybody can do a better job than

00:46:00.740 Keir Starmer

00:46:01.440 and I can literally finish the sentence there

00:46:04.540 anybody can do a better job than Keir Starmer

00:46:06.740 and Andy Burnham but don't get me wrong

00:46:08.840 about the same, somewhat better

00:46:10.780 much better job, it's about 50%

00:46:12.960 you know just over 50%

00:46:14.020 yeah okay, you know yeah

00:46:16.760 but he's not in parliament

00:46:18.440 but yeah because Keir Starmer blocked him

00:46:20.980 because he is actually effective

00:46:22.240 at these sort of machina...

00:46:24.680 Keir Starmer did save his political career by doing so,

00:46:27.780 because otherwise he would have lost a by-election.

00:46:30.480 But then look at Angela Rayner. 0.99

00:46:32.160 I mean, much better job or somewhat better job. 0.89

00:46:34.040 What's that, about 20% if that?

00:46:36.340 I don't know, 17%, something like that.

00:46:38.400 Too small to even see the number.

00:46:40.660 So she would be my choice if I was in Labour,

00:46:44.160 because she's the only one who has a sort of personality

00:46:46.460 that isn't set to repel. 0.98

00:46:48.980 Sure, but 37% of people think she's just doing a worse job, 1.00

00:46:51.580 because she's a moron. 1.00

00:46:53.300 Oh, yeah, she is a moron. 0.91

00:46:55.380 And she doesn't understand any of what's going on behind the scenes.

00:46:58.240 Very doubtful.

00:46:59.200 But again, why did Keir Starmer surround himself with these people?

00:47:02.480 We'll come on to that in a minute, actually.

00:47:04.220 Ed Miliband, again, about the same number of people.

00:47:07.680 Okay, he's actually a competent minister.

00:47:10.120 He's not doing good.

00:47:11.480 Sure.

00:47:12.160 But he is impoverishing us and making us poorer

00:47:16.580 and giving us less energy in a competent way.

00:47:18.680 But about 15% of people think he'll do a better job.

00:47:21.580 than Keir Starmer.

00:47:22.820 That's not exactly a vote of confidence, is it?

00:47:24.640 Wes Streeting, same.

00:47:25.940 Yvette Cooper, even less.

00:47:27.020 Shabana Mahmood, even less.

00:47:28.020 David Lammy, the past two,

00:47:30.120 show a number on it.

00:47:34.580 No, 5%.

00:47:36.600 Actually, it has to be David Lammy for the memes,

00:47:39.720 doesn't it?

00:47:40.000 It'd just be hilarious.

00:47:40.700 Yeah, and that is just the general public.

00:47:44.080 Now you've got 2024 Labour voters,

00:47:45.800 but those numbers aren't even that much better.

00:47:48.680 This is not a great vote of confidence.

00:47:50.300 for about the same or don't know enough

00:47:52.300 is most people on each one of these.

00:47:54.980 So this is not an endorsement.

00:47:57.140 Like, the Epstein Network might be evil

00:47:59.020 and they might have complete control of the Labour Party

00:48:00.660 and they might have the worst and most hated man

00:48:03.100 in the world in it.

00:48:04.420 You don't have a strong alternative.

00:48:07.820 So Burnham is Blairite.

00:48:11.420 Yvette Cooper is very Blairite.

00:48:12.700 We're Streeting is Blairite.

00:48:14.360 Yeah, but a lot of them are...

00:48:15.980 We're Streeting, yeah, correct.

00:48:17.380 But a lot of them are quite close to the soft left

00:48:19.200 Because these are categories with permeable borders. 0.83

00:48:22.540 So Angela Rayner is soft left.

00:48:24.360 David Lammy is soft left. 0.92

00:48:26.620 Shabana Mahmood. 0.97

00:48:27.680 She's right wing. 1.00

00:48:28.520 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:29.060 She's right of the Reform Party.

00:48:32.440 So the point is, nobody is really very persuaded

00:48:35.940 that Labour has any good options, actually.

00:48:38.240 No.

00:48:38.760 And again, more polling on this.

00:48:42.320 Well, who would you prefer?

00:48:43.420 Well, a quarter of Labour voters in 2024 would prefer Andy Burnham.

00:48:48.240 10% want Angela Rayner

00:48:49.820 but none of them is 12%

00:48:52.180 and don't know is 23%

00:48:53.580 so the none of the above

00:48:55.600 if we just add those two together

00:48:56.960 are storming ahead

00:48:57.960 but then if it's just among all voters

00:48:59.980 none of them at 28%

00:49:01.660 Andy Burnham's only on 17%

00:49:04.020 with all voters

00:49:04.940 like 28% are just like

00:49:07.020 no I don't want any of these people

00:49:08.880 and 27% like don't know

00:49:10.660 like half the voters just like

00:49:13.340 check it

00:49:15.340 nothing

00:49:16.420 but look at the point of view of a labor um mp right current polling suggests you're on track

00:49:24.100 for four seats so it's well it's not entirely that i mean like some polling has them on about

00:49:29.660 70 seats some polling oh yeah okay so let's say 35 seats so so the probability of you losing your

00:49:36.680 seat is somewhere between 75 and 99 my point is that's pretty rough my point is yeah 1.00

00:49:45.180 you might as well just roll the dice andy burnham is an option um angela rayner is too stupid to 0.97

00:49:52.360 even have a faction just doesn't understand what's going on she doesn't get she doesn't 1.00

00:49:56.000 get the depths of the political nuances at all right but she she has a personality and she's a

00:50:02.120 bit bubbly and some people like her when they first see her so just leave with her or something 0.96

00:50:07.300 we're in charge of the country which is what literally five percent of people want in the 1.00

00:50:11.260 country five percent would prefer her to be yeah she she could be you know she's great for a night 1.00

00:50:16.140 cool teacher at the kindergarten around the corner or something i could go for a beer with

00:50:20.900 angela totally fine but come on but this this is really interesting though isn't it because not

00:50:26.480 only have labor never been less popular yeah but essentially their entire careers now depend on

00:50:31.880 starmer not backstabbing them all because if they think oh we're going to take him out and we'll

00:50:37.700 come into what this what's going on underneath this in a minute salman can just call a general

00:50:42.440 election oh yeah he wants right yeah he literally holds the the sword of damocles above their heads

00:50:47.840 and anyway let's let's carry on and we'll get we'll follow that line of thought we'll come back

00:50:53.180 on that because yeah absolutely yeah uh so this is a party lever favored uh by most by most by

00:50:58.820 region right zach polanski is at three plus three percent in scotland in wales it's farage

00:51:04.740 In the Midlands, it's Farage.

00:51:06.220 And in the North, it's Farage.

00:51:07.660 In the South, it's Baden-Ock, weirdly enough.

00:51:10.480 And only in London, plus two is it Starmer.

00:51:14.520 So you can see, actually, what does Starmer represent?

00:51:17.800 He represents the civil service and the blob

00:51:20.820 that he's currently at war with, 0.95

00:51:22.840 and he has no natural constituency outside of that.

00:51:26.080 No, he doesn't, does he?

00:51:26.900 This is where he exists as an entity, 0.58

00:51:30.500 and the connection to the larger Epstein network 0.66

00:51:33.660 is literally just at the you know it's sort of occupying the brain of the country and the body

00:51:40.420 of the country is like no anything anything but this this is starting to look like i don't know

00:51:44.700 medieval france where paris is just this like fortress city that kind of rules the country

00:51:51.820 but not really it just sends out raids into the rest of the country and issues forth devastation

00:51:57.000 takes the plunder and lays down the law and then clears back off to paris again isn't isn't that

00:52:02.140 interesting yeah right where so you you've got this issue here and then you've got the issue that

00:52:08.500 nobody actually wants the labor party as we've just covered so that means that starmer is

00:52:13.620 projected to lose his seat to the greens but also corbyn is projected to lose his seat to the greens

00:52:19.600 so these two warring factions who have spent ages taking chunks out of each other are both going to

00:52:24.580 be kicked out of government and get kicked out of parliament but the labor party is going to come

00:52:29.100 I mean, look, in Islander North,

00:52:32.600 the Labour Party's third in Corbyn's high seat.

00:52:37.300 But even then, it's second in Holborn and St. Pancras,

00:52:41.540 which is Starmus' seat.

00:52:43.060 Again, these were just Labour heartlands.

00:52:45.740 Labour aren't going to completely lose London,

00:52:48.260 but they're going to lose a lot of London in the May 7th elections.

00:52:53.220 And so these, again, the public is like,

00:52:57.600 look, we don't care about the Epstein Network's argument

00:53:00.260 with the communists.

00:53:01.760 You know, we don't care.

00:53:02.600 Yes.

00:53:02.900 We're not up for it.

00:53:03.700 We don't care.

00:53:04.700 We don't want that.

00:53:05.980 But they are lowering each other's HP 0.85

00:53:07.480 while the Greens come storming in like the final boss of communism. 0.86

00:53:10.940 And, you know, you can say whatever you like about Zach Polanski, 0.77

00:53:14.960 but he's an inveterate enemy of the Epstein Network.

00:53:18.100 He's obviously, he hates Israel,

00:53:19.920 and he's surrounded by people who just religiously couldn't qualify 0.88

00:53:24.000 for the Epstein Network.

00:53:25.000 so um you know like he he's he's not part of that he's something else that's evil but he's not part

00:53:32.500 of the epstein network and so uh the the labor party like hang on a second the things we're doing

00:53:39.620 seem kind of mad now right in light of all of this happening like are we sure we want to give

00:53:44.980 under 16s votes they haven't voted for us anymore they're voting for oh no the people who are going

00:53:50.800 to do that backfires i mean that that is the biggest backfire since giving u.s police body

00:53:55.080 cams as a as a black lives matter demand because yeah all of those 16 to 18 years like 90 percent

00:54:01.020 of them are going to vote for the greens they've lost the argument on that because what they don't

00:54:04.640 want to vote for the epstein network yeah and they literally call it the epstein network themselves

00:54:08.940 the green well i'm lifting this terminology from the greens because i think they are right to call

00:54:13.500 it the epstein network so i think that's literally people connected to jeffrey epstein through

00:54:17.640 various means because of various reasons but starmer isn't isn't going to let this happen

00:54:24.200 he's going to go down fighting right he's going to plot to get out of the sleaze inquiry by whipping

00:54:30.100 the labor mps to vote down any attempt to have the parliamentary sleaze inquiry as in basically

00:54:36.940 he's going to kick them out of the labor party if they even think about opposing him who are not

00:54:41.440 supposed to use a free line whip for that that but you're not supposed to do anything that starmer's

00:54:47.180 doing well yeah scandal after scandal after scandal after scandal and literally yeah like

00:54:51.520 i'm sick of hearing jacob rees mob going well he's finished now he's going to have to resign now it's

00:54:56.420 like no jacob you don't understand what's happening bro like you're thinking in like again the terms

00:55:01.380 of a conservative in normal times where a scandal would be like boris johnson and chris pincher

00:55:07.460 was enough to make him resign not now like well you played a brilliant clip on on this show maybe

00:55:13.980 five or six episodes ago it was a while ago now and the clip was david lammy walking down downing

00:55:18.900 street and somebody shouted out are you going to resign and he's and he replied back i've been

00:55:22.540 waiting 14 years to get here i'm not going now yes exactly the same with so this this guy has 0.82

00:55:28.820 been a soulless fabian since that weird passport photo that keeps getting shown in the press when 0.94

00:55:34.860 he was 90s yeah like when he went to czechoslovakia and and yeah like probably the 80s actually he's 0.97

00:55:40.120 he's been waiting his whole life for this moment he will do whatever it takes to cling on yeah and

00:55:47.280 so and and this is why it's important to think about this in terms of factions starmer mandelson

00:55:53.360 mcsweeney epstein faction at the top of the lay party got complete control his front bench 0.80

00:55:59.600 soft left retards right literally puppeteering these morons right as in i don't care 0.94

00:56:10.060 about you at all i will throw the civil service under the bus yes i will throw all of you guys 0.99

00:56:15.940 under the bus and like the the epstein network has been using the soft left yes idiots as like 0.92

00:56:22.240 cannon fodder were they useful idiots they literally are useful idiots yeah because and

00:56:27.360 that's the danger of having i mean i know aa keeps talking about you know unified elite but 0.51

00:56:34.880 the problem is this this particular elite is so hard to get into that it is by definition very

00:56:41.600 narrow and it's not it's not even broad enough to encompass an entire government front bench

00:56:47.560 and but it's it's well prepared to wield power very viciously and corbyn out you know abbott and

00:56:55.220 um donald nearly out like the skin of the teeth you know this is again starma is literally like

00:57:02.200 Stalin when it comes to this kind of bureaucratic exercise of power and Starmer thinks he's gonna

00:57:07.960 win uh oh sorry we'll get to that uh so yeah Starmer thinks he's gonna win he thinks he can

00:57:12.220 win the next election right and it's like okay but that sounds mad I mean given that he's so

00:57:20.220 soulless that it's difficult to know if he actually believes I don't think he believes I think that he

00:57:25.260 wants people to think that he believes that so that he's given the benefit of the doubt until

00:57:31.080 the next election actually holding power until the next election is the real prize here but but

00:57:36.480 of course who's giving him support well lord hermer i'm optimistic to win the next election

00:57:40.880 under sir kia well this is this is the epstein network of human rights lawyers the rule and like

00:57:47.460 hermer is starmer's oldest friend isn't he the chap who's embroiled in a fresh news scandal

00:57:53.900 because he was backing bogus claims against british troops in iraq and afghanistan correct

00:58:00.160 which has caused many troops to be well some have committed suicide they've been dragged through the

00:58:05.800 courts have been absolutely persecuted and it turns out most of it if not all of it was entirely

00:58:11.040 made up to win fees and that he was profiting from these malicious charges against troops

00:58:17.860 yeah he also um he got a 1.5 million pound house without having to pay tax on it recently i only

00:58:24.340 saw the headline going past i haven't looked into it but the point is like typical epstein network

00:58:28.920 nonsense right a proper rotter this one yeah absolutely hermer is an inveterate anti-british

00:58:34.660 enemy and under every circumstance yes he was arguing for shaman begum to come across he wants

00:58:39.400 chagos deal sent away and all the everything it's all coming from the attorney general

00:58:43.840 richard hermer right gear starmer's one and only true friend one and only true friend which puts

00:58:48.960 him smashed into the epstein network right so we've got the backing of the epstein network we've

00:58:54.040 got the backing of his human rights lawyers compatriots like you can see who wants starmer

00:58:59.220 to remain in their position and labor list have come out and uh put out this propaganda now i'm

00:59:05.700 not i'm not saying that there's anything to this but the point is this is one of those cases where

00:59:11.560 the polls are designed to lead opinion rather than report opinion should kia starmer resign

00:59:16.620 over the scandal 61 of labor members say he shouldn't oh really okay even though 83 he's

00:59:22.860 handled it badly 61 think 61 think he should not resign so there we go label party members who read

00:59:28.660 label list again you can see this is part of the network and its functions in the party essentially

00:59:35.520 saying no no we're not going anywhere yes right that's the thing they're not going anywhere they

00:59:42.240 they think they can win i think kirstama can win i think i can win i mean i don't know why you would

00:59:49.480 think that because everyone hates you you are literally the most hated prime minister

00:59:54.240 labor's current approval rating is about 15 against 68 negative like it's like it's almost

01:00:02.020 impossible to find someone who does like the labor party at this point i don't even know where i would

01:00:06.840 go i mean i guess you go to central london which is where he's got the only approval rating that

01:00:12.440 he's ever he has in the entire country but if he can if he can keep the reins of power for three

01:00:16.980 years he can do a lot in three years exactly and so he has to fend off the soft left now he has

01:00:23.140 been making noises about patriotic values he intends to fight i mean maybe customer is literally

01:00:27.960 so delusional he thinks he could be nigel farage on this subject i mean you know nigel farage's

01:00:32.700 popularity is going down but if if he turns it into a referendum on who is the patriotic party

01:00:37.220 labor or reform he can't win that so like you know nigel farage's got many many flaws but being

01:00:43.180 an anti-british traitor is not one of them actually yeah but it won't it will it will be

01:00:48.940 a battle between um some mix-up between restore and reform versus the greens the labor are not

01:00:56.760 going to feature in this of course but he either doesn't know or doesn't care about this right

01:01:01.740 because like you yeah i can't bet i think i think he just wants power three more years to do as much

01:01:06.380 damage as he possibly can until he's kicked out exactly and so the soft left don't know what to do

01:01:12.800 right so we've got um you know people like yvette cooper oh i'm extremely concerned about all this

01:01:18.460 i can't believe like it's it's something that they know is wrong but they don't know what to do

01:01:24.860 ed milliband can't even defend starmer on this this is hilarious let's watch this quickly

01:01:29.320 um that whole due diligence report saying lord mandelson was a walking red flag

01:01:36.600 Keir Starmer reads it, decides to appoint a walking red flag

01:01:41.040 to be the US ambassador, and nobody thinks that's a problem at the time. 0.72

01:01:48.460 Well, I think, you know, look, it was a very risky appointment

01:01:51.020 and it turns out to have been extremely risky for all the reasons that we now know.

01:01:56.660 If I'm watching you, I'm not sure what else anyone needed to tell

01:02:01.580 the person at the top of government about this individual

01:02:04.900 that would have made it clear

01:02:07.760 it wasn't just risky, it was wrong.

01:02:11.520 What else did you need to know at that moment?

01:02:14.640 Look, it's a fair point.

01:02:19.400 That's not how you're supposed to do political interviews.

01:02:23.760 Well, what could you say?

01:02:26.600 What could you say?

01:02:27.220 The Epstein Network and Starmer have stitched up

01:02:30.080 the soft left so comprehensively.

01:02:32.640 They've got to go out there

01:02:33.700 and get grilled like this and be like yeah well you're supposed to turn up with like three or

01:02:38.060 four talking points and just repeat them endlessly and pad them with filler you're not supposed to

01:02:42.080 actually stop and think about the question because because there's no bloody answer to it yeah i

01:02:46.600 mean like you know i disagree with miliband profoundly politically and on his you know

01:02:51.720 policies and politics and whatnot but i don't think he's an evil man no he's just a weak man

01:02:57.340 he's exactly yeah hell yeah i'm tough enough to stand up to putin i cared you know do you remember

01:03:03.200 I've seen him

01:03:04.480 trying to get into

01:03:05.060 a London club

01:03:05.680 he's not tough enough

01:03:06.520 to stand up to the

01:03:07.340 concierge

01:03:07.880 do you not remember

01:03:08.360 back in like

01:03:08.900 2011 or something

01:03:10.840 like that

01:03:11.220 where he was being

01:03:11.820 in feud

01:03:12.220 and he was like

01:03:12.920 heck yes I'm tough

01:03:13.880 enough

01:03:14.100 it's like look

01:03:14.520 Ned Flanders

01:03:15.140 I'm sure you're

01:03:16.840 a lovely guy

01:03:17.400 and everyone

01:03:18.020 says Ed Miliband

01:03:19.720 is a lovely guy

01:03:20.480 but he

01:03:22.900 is not weak

01:03:24.040 he's just weak

01:03:24.900 the definition

01:03:25.540 of

01:03:25.880 I keep making

01:03:27.420 the reason the

01:03:28.540 left are the

01:03:29.700 left is because

01:03:30.340 they're low T

01:03:31.240 weak men

01:03:31.720 that's what they are

01:03:32.960 But like I said, he's not a part of the Epstein Network.

01:03:35.640 No.

01:03:35.800 He's very clearly not.

01:03:36.920 He's very clearly being used as a meat shield 0.83

01:03:39.500 while the Epstein Network is on manoeuvres behind the scenes, 0.95

01:03:43.060 trying to essentially shore up their own position

01:03:45.340 because Trump dropped this giant bomb on them by accident.

01:03:48.280 And so the soft left are like, right, okay,

01:03:49.820 are we just going to stand for this?

01:03:50.940 And the answer is, yes, you are.

01:03:52.500 You're just going to stand for it

01:03:53.840 because every single one of you is going to lose your seat.

01:03:55.880 That's why.

01:03:56.400 Yeah, because you're threatening a man with the election button.

01:04:00.260 Exactly.

01:04:00.620 And if you turf him out, he'll just turf all you out.

01:04:03.740 And also, Keir Starmer, not a career politician,

01:04:06.920 Keir Starmer, does he have a network of patronage

01:04:09.400 that he can lean into after his job is done?

01:04:11.840 Absolutely he does.

01:04:12.900 He'll just go back to campaigning to get child murders released

01:04:15.760 like it was beforehand.

01:04:16.740 If he doesn't just retire and do the speech circuit

01:04:19.600 where he gets Boris Johnson paying half a million a bloody speech.

01:04:23.100 Well, I mean, his prime minister's pension alone will cover him.

01:04:26.500 Exactly.

01:04:27.300 Starmer's going to be fine.

01:04:28.400 you are the guys who are going to all get it in the neck and so um go away daily mail all your

01:04:34.600 notifications uh dan hodges points out here like everyone loathes kiss armor like dan hodges goes 0.51

01:04:40.260 around speaks to all the mps behind the scenes they all loathe him and they've all come to the

01:04:45.900 conclusion that actually this avatar of the epstein network doesn't have our best interest

01:04:50.180 at heart doesn't have the best interest of the labor party at heart and it's actually thrown so

01:04:54.420 many of us under the bus that maybe yes maybe he's the problem but when like oh well if we if

01:05:00.880 we don't do it now it's only a matter of time to when he's ousted not if it's like okay yeah but

01:05:07.180 you have no good time i mean you don't want to do it for may the 7th because someone's going to be

01:05:11.280 the gods of olympus have got together and decided that maybe chronos isn't acting in their interest

01:05:16.380 yeah but yeah but i mean like at least the gods of olympus were capable because they had a zeus

01:05:21.100 to overthrow croons right they don't have a zeus that their zeus is angela rayner it's like god

01:05:26.160 right but it's a certain amount of time of when he's ousted it's like okay but now should be the

01:05:31.560 time even but you know that they're thinking well the may 7th election is coming up we're going to

01:05:35.080 get creamed we can't do it before then i don't think that should hold you if if you've got right

01:05:39.860 option to become prime minister you just play it off say yeah that's starmer's fault you you just

01:05:45.240 do it you don't try and you don't then try and mass because you don't then try and massage your

01:05:49.460 timing getting to be prime minister of this country is bloody hard enough without trying to

01:05:53.760 then massage the timing as well but also nobody's going to blame you like if you're like you know i 0.95

01:05:58.460 had to throw kirsten around because of the epstein network and everything they've done and they're

01:06:02.020 ruining the party i had to come along and save it oh yeah we got creamed in the may 7th elections 0.67

01:06:06.440 yeah everyone knows because you were there for like two weeks the only thing it's not you the

01:06:10.920 only thing is maybe they think it would just be easier to get rid of him after that they do think

01:06:15.480 so but what this also does is give starmer time he needs time to keep shoring up his position and

01:06:22.320 it's like because the thing is the dramatic shock of the may 7th elections has already happened

01:06:27.480 everyone knows you know tomorrow the day after like yep you got you got screwed did you well

01:06:33.460 we knew that was going to happen anyway moving on and so okay if not now then when right and so we

01:06:39.180 are told by the telegraph here they are plotting a coup as they say backbench labor mps have told

01:06:45.000 the telegraph the game is already up for the prime minister over his disastrous handling of the

01:06:48.160 manderson vetting scandal a senior labor mp said i think there's going to be a process for replacing

01:06:52.740 the prime minister it needs to be as quick as it can be tick tock like what are you doing like you

01:06:58.940 say these things but starmer and hermer and the rest of the like his close confidence it's like

01:07:05.220 no chest out we're gonna fight the next election and we're gonna win it and so the soft left can

01:07:10.020 like oh no we we're all now gonna have our vote with no confidence or something no because starmer

01:07:14.740 is just going to be like no you're not election bam you're all done i'm buggering off to some 0.51

01:07:20.240 think tank or whatever i'm going to do yeah and i'm just going to literally nuke the lot of you

01:07:24.720 right uh another senior mp said we can't be having months and months of speculation and leadership

01:07:29.700 contests that just creates a lot of uncertainty for the country there's going to be change and

01:07:33.580 labor party needs to work out how that would happen quickly so they want a coup they want to

01:07:37.460 have a coup within this structure but the soft left are the useful idiots and they don't have

01:07:41.980 any leadership. They want Andy Burnham,

01:07:44.180 but Steinberg blocked Andy Burnham. 0.98

01:07:46.160 Angela Rayner has got her tax problems

01:07:47.980 and honestly, I don't think 0.91

01:07:50.120 she's doing this. Yeah, and by the way,

01:07:51.780 that tax inquiry,

01:07:53.720 that seems to be getting slow walked.

01:07:56.020 Yeah, right. Why is that taking so long?

01:07:57.960 Because the whole time that that's

01:07:59.720 ongoing, it kind of blocks her from

01:08:01.960 being leader. Right. Then you have to

01:08:03.980 go down to the real tertiary tier

01:08:06.100 of idiots. Yeah, David Lammy.

01:08:08.500 Yeah.

01:08:08.720 but the and that whole thing it was over 40 grand a 40 grand stamp duty on a house i mean

01:08:16.320 don't get me wrong that's a lot of money yeah you know but it's also stamp duty on a house

01:08:20.580 it's not that she was she wasn't like mandelson taking money from the russians and the chinese

01:08:24.620 or connected the network it's not the sort of thing that gets your back door burning no exactly

01:08:29.680 it's totally trivial and yet like you say that's being walked out for a long time why can't you

01:08:35.520 just pay that money and get on with it yes like come on what you know what's that what's the hold

01:08:39.740 up here and also apparently uh starmer is just going to throw them under the bus right starmer

01:08:46.420 doesn't get he's he's he's if the if the local elections are a bloodbath that's right rachel 1.00

01:08:51.060 reeves again another soft left moron under the bus everything to protect the primacy of the epstein

01:08:58.000 network in the prime minister's chair no not a civil servant not a not a soft left um member of

01:09:05.140 the government yeah not morgan mcsweeney none of them will be spared starmer chucking them straight

01:09:12.480 under the bus and and weirdly i mean okay we've now got to the position where uk bond yields are

01:09:18.580 five percent which is higher than they were under the peak of the liz trust moment they're higher

01:09:22.580 than they're constantly going about liz trust ruining it it's like well we're way past that

01:09:25.620 so bonds are at five percent this we are in the you know the the alarm bell the smoke alarm is

01:09:32.420 pinging at this point but weirdly the bond market actually quite like rachel reeves and that's not

01:09:37.840 because they think that she's competent but they think that everyone else would be more

01:09:42.480 incompetent than she is so if you appoint somebody else things could get lively on the on the

01:09:49.620 financial front yeah and we're already at the point where the debt expenditure is rivaling

01:09:54.760 the nhs spend yeah yeah it's mad it's mad the the country's on the edge of a meltdown oh yeah

01:10:00.940 So anyway, I think what we've seen here is that there is a faction

01:10:05.880 in the Labour Party called the Epsi Network.

01:10:07.520 It's got rock-solid control of the administration of the country.

01:10:10.420 It has the nuclear button in the general election.

01:10:14.160 And the spite to use it.

01:10:15.220 And the will to use it.

01:10:17.180 And again, the soft left, the Rainerites,

01:10:19.940 who are limping along thinking, well, we have to do something. 0.98

01:10:22.240 But none of them are brave.

01:10:23.400 None of them have a personal sort of magnetism or constituency.

01:10:27.260 And any that might have done, Starmer has destroyed already.

01:10:30.060 right so uh and kept out of the party and they're being used as useful idiots being chucked under

01:10:35.920 the bus for this the corbynistas have been mostly expelled and sent to the green party or to your

01:10:41.320 party which is and the hard left are the only the only faction that has the rival mental faculty

01:10:46.720 will to power to fight yeah the will to power the soft left don't have a will to power corbynistas

01:10:51.960 have the will to power but they've been expelled so they've gone to the green party uh and so what

01:10:56.600 have you got left what the trade unions well farage has actually been flirting with them yeah

01:11:00.560 they're off as well yeah they're off and i i watched an interview with the trade union boss

01:11:04.920 the other day and farage was talking about how well you know we accept the trade unions are a

01:11:08.760 fact of life and we're prepared to work with them it's like that's dangerous territory if you're

01:11:12.240 labor isn't it we're going to use lose the unions and then i guess the last thing you've got is like

01:11:16.440 blue labor under morris glassman who does nothing but go on tv and say starmer's terrible yeah that's

01:11:21.980 not a real thing that's not a real thing that has no traction those any anyone who is like blue

01:11:25.820 labor voter again they're already voting for the conservatives or reform they're already they're

01:11:30.260 already voting reform so basically there's not a lot there's not much left in the labor party

01:11:35.400 to actually resist and the coup of the soft left is never going to happen the lack of world's power

01:11:41.180 core beliefs is now have no access to that because starma destroyed them and so it's like look i

01:11:46.580 think that the epstein network is going to destroy the labor party forever and so three more years i

01:11:54.320 say yeah and that's the end of labor forever well and it'd be useful for our thing because 0.94

01:11:59.200 restore could actually do with those three years so absolutely so a bit of a shame for the country

01:12:03.240 and bond yields and it's yeah but yeah but it's yeah like none of the other people would make

01:12:08.280 things better no and it would just be like limping on for another election cycle oh god another five

01:12:14.680 years of us not addressing the problems blah blah blah so so honestly i i think for the actual right

01:12:20.240 this is good thing i think for the actual country just destroying the labor party because it's long

01:12:24.380 past this prime and needs to go here is good anyway and i just think this is basically what's

01:12:29.720 happening and i mean it's it's a quite exciting little game of thrones episode really shame it

01:12:35.440 has an effect on real life

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - April 29, 2026

The Last Stand of the Epstein Network

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