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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1003. What a mouthful we've

00:00:14.140 made it this far. It is the 18th of September 2024. I am your host Connor, joined by Carl

00:00:19.140 and Chris Williamson's ethnically ambiguous brother, Roar Egg Nationalist.

00:00:24.260 It's good to be here.

00:00:25.020 Yeah, excellent. Love the suit, man. It's very good. So today we're going to be discussing

00:00:27.860 how Nigel Farage is refusing to lead the right, the media's deafening silence around the recent

00:00:33.080 Rotherham grooming gang trial, and the disorderly nature of the state's power, according to

00:00:37.500 your article in Islander. It will all prove very interesting before we begin. It's a

00:00:42.140 Wednesday. I want to draw your attention to the fact that at 3 o'clock today I'll be

00:00:45.040 doing my show, Thompson Talks. I'll be speaking with head of Them Before Us, Katie Faust, about

00:00:49.320 Gen Z's gender-based political divide, looking at the data with that, and whether or not

00:00:53.940 the Trump administration has a family-friendly platform going ahead of November's election,

00:00:58.400 because he's getting a lot of hits from the right these days. And so, interesting to litigate

00:01:03.660 that out. Also, are we doing the other reading at the start of the segment, Samson?

00:01:09.940 Yes.

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00:01:46.500 But without further ado, Carl, take it away.

00:01:48.380 There are worse places.

00:01:50.060 So, Nigel Farage recently did an interview with Stephen Edgington, and this has been relatively

00:01:56.000 controversial among people on the right, because it wasn't very good. And it seemed that Stephen

00:02:04.020 Edgington is a very good chap gave him lots of open goals in order to score some really

00:02:08.760 solid political points. And Nigel Farage refused them at every turn. And the reason I think

00:02:14.160 this is important is because Nigel Farage is portrayed as the Donald Trump of Britain.

00:02:20.560 And one thing that Donald Trump did, as you saw with the recent Haitian controversy in America,

00:02:26.200 is he says things that are bombastic in order to puppeteer the media. They're eating the dogs,

00:02:33.500 they're eating the cats, and now that's all people know, that's all people remember from

00:02:36.660 the debate, that apparently he lost with Kamala Harris. And yet it's just Donald Trump that

00:02:41.480 everyone remembered because of the one bombastic line that everyone focused on. And essentially,

00:02:46.160 Edgington was giving Farage the opportunity to go, right, okay, you're going to get a bunch of

00:02:50.060 bombastic headlines out of this. So what do you want to say? And Farage refused to engage at every

00:02:56.560 point. Before we go on, though, the bulk of my analysis is going to actually be drawn from Dr.

00:03:02.720 Nima Parvini's article in Islander Issue 2. This is called Boomer Truth A Eulogy, because we can see

00:03:11.500 very much how Nigel Farage is within the 20th century paradigm when it comes to politics, and how

00:03:17.720 how the world has changed underneath that paradigm, to now what the things that Farage is saying just

00:03:24.040 don't feel sufficient to deal with our current political moment. So I've read it, I can tell

00:03:29.520 Nigel Farage hasn't read it, but you can read it by going onto the website shop.loses.com and purchasing

00:03:34.760 it now, because it won't be available for very long, and it won't be very long until you receive it

00:03:39.940 either, because we're going to be printing them in batches. So there was quite a distance between

00:03:43.860 ordering it and receiving it. That's shrunk now. So let's go to the first clip where Stephen was

00:03:50.820 just asking him directly about demographic change. Samson, do you mind taking the reins?

00:03:59.280 Do you think that immigration represents a major threat to Britain from a demographic perspective?

00:04:04.380 So in the last 20 years, the white British population has declined from 87% to 74%.

00:04:12.580 Is that a concern of yours? No. No, that's not a concern of mine. What is a concern? What is a

00:04:19.600 concern of mine is, in many cases, the lack of integration. We see that writ large by the new

00:04:27.560 kind of politics that's emerging, sectarian voting along religious lines. I never really thought I'd see

00:04:34.500 that in England in my lifetime. I mean, I grew up seeing what it did in Northern Ireland, and it's

00:04:39.040 not very welcome. So that's a fascinating answer to me, and I just want to pick this apart a little

00:04:44.500 bit, because the sectarian voting and conflict in Northern Ireland is purely based on ethnic

00:04:50.380 demographics. It's a very hard line. And I grew up with this looming over my head, because my dad was

00:04:56.920 in the Royal Air Force. So I grew up on military camps, and there was constantly the threat of IRA

00:05:00.680 bombing. So this is something that resonates with me. But that was obviously due to ethnic differences.

00:05:06.000 And so to say, well, I'm not concerned about the fact that there are other ethnicities being mass

00:05:11.640 imported into the United Kingdom, into England specifically, but I am concerned about the

00:05:16.200 sectarian conflict that comes out of it. It's like, well, these things are not separate. There's a

00:05:20.560 direct connection between the sectarianism and the ethnicities themselves.

00:05:26.080 I mean, Northern Ireland, that's not a problem of integration, is it? I mean, it's a false analogy,

00:05:30.740 totally.

00:05:31.000 It's a different problem, correct?

00:05:32.000 Yeah.

00:05:32.760 There's also a couple of false premises in there. The first being that there is such a

00:05:37.240 thing as non-sectarian politics. Because sectarian, in his mind, is religious conflicts. But religion

00:05:43.880 is a set of value judgments that are incommensurate with one another. And so the idea is there can

00:05:49.740 be a politics above value judgments, which is the exact paradigm that led to Blair's success,

00:05:55.420 putting things on rails and saying there are certain things outside of discussion. There are certain

00:05:59.760 things that can't be resolved for you. All things can be resolved for you, pure politics

00:06:03.580 and turning the managerial dials.

00:06:05.080 To push back on that, I think Nigel would say it's not that there isn't a set of values

00:06:09.600 at question. I think he would say, well, it used to be that it was more personal interest

00:06:15.460 that dictated politics, as in working class people voted Labour, and so the middle and upper

00:06:20.880 classes voted Conservative because they wanted to maintain a sort of balance of interests. Whereas

00:06:24.780 this has become religious, and I don't know why he won't say ethnic, because it's very

00:06:30.340 clearly an expression of ethnic groups, it's not even contestable. This has become something

00:06:37.200 that's now not about personal interests, about group interests between these conflicting groups.

00:06:42.160 And that's downstream of demographics, because in homogenous societies, ideas precede identity.

00:06:48.480 In heterogeneous societies, identity precedes ideas.

00:06:52.880 Well, the question of identity in homogenous society just doesn't have to come up.

00:06:56.460 Yeah.

00:06:56.700 There's no need for it to come up.

00:06:58.260 And then the other thing is as well, as you've said before, people are bearers of

00:07:02.260 civilisation. Culture is a story that certain people tell themselves about themselves over

00:07:06.500 time. So if you import people en masse into a country, they live among themselves, they

00:07:11.520 don't have a reverence for the culture and the country they're coming into. They see it as an

00:07:14.860 economic zone, and also that country is actively attacking its own history by saying it bears

00:07:20.080 the loadstone of unique white supremacist historical guilt, then one, they're not assimilating

00:07:24.160 into anything, but two, they are telling themselves a completely incommensurate cultural story because

00:07:30.000 the ethnicity factors into their likelihood of buying into another one. So even if he thinks

00:07:35.080 ethnicity doesn't matter and demography doesn't matter, it matters to the new arrivals who

00:07:39.340 are not going to buy in. So integration isn't possible.

00:07:41.440 I just want to say, there are lots of people on the right that say, oh, integration is

00:07:44.880 a falsehood. I don't agree with that. But I think integration is a difficult thing. And

00:07:50.440 it has to essentially be done by massive personal commitment. And usually that's intermarriage.

00:07:55.380 You have to marry someone in that community, and then your children are a natural part of

00:07:59.500 that community, and you're bonded to it. You've got nowhere to go now. So you have to

00:08:03.700 become, you know, the foreigner who goes to the bar, you know, and then you'll be brought

00:08:08.360 into the community. Everyone will be kind to you and all that sort of thing. That can

00:08:11.220 happen. But that can't happen if, of course, millions and millions and millions are being

00:08:15.420 dumped into an area that is already mostly ethnic minority. What are you integrating into?

00:08:21.420 And the demography of intermarriage is only ever about 7% to 11% of the population anyway.

00:08:26.420 Oh, yeah.

00:08:26.680 So you have to set expectations of integration according to the organic desires of the host

00:08:30.980 population. And so unless you try and mandate intermarriage overnight, again, integration

00:08:35.160 is very, very difficult, particularly with a culture that doesn't even believe in itself.

00:08:38.740 Yeah, that hasn't even been trying, but so are you.

00:08:40.340 No, I was just saying, I mean, integration has worked. Integration does work. I mean, nobody,

00:08:44.320 nobody, you know, talks badly of the Huguenots.

00:08:48.560 Yeah.

00:08:49.080 Who came over, 50,000 of them.

00:08:50.820 Roger's descended from Huguenots.

00:08:51.780 Yeah, I have some Huguenot blood somewhere in, you know, far back in my family as well.

00:08:57.480 Um, uh, yeah, they, they integrated, but it was 50,000 Northern French Protestants, you

00:09:04.400 know, I mean, it would, we're talking about degrees of separation as well. I think that's

00:09:08.280 another thing, you know, concentric circles working outwards, you know, the further outwards

00:09:12.760 you get, the harder it, just the harder it becomes. And so, um, but it's a non, it's a

00:09:18.060 nonsense, everything that he said.

00:09:19.540 But it can be done. But as you were saying, it's just, it's an effort of will. You know,

00:09:23.780 the, I mean, I, I know this cause my own grandfather came from St Helena, very different place to

00:09:29.080 England. Uh, but he just wanted, it was an effort of will. He wanted the thing and we're

00:09:34.740 not bringing in people who want the thing. So why are we even having a conversation?

00:09:38.060 And the host population has to want them as well. And the final thing I will say is that

00:09:41.880 I listened to this and I hear, right, you're not addressing my concerns. Cause I listened

00:09:46.000 to a trigonometry episode. He spent 10% of it on immigration and the majority on it on

00:09:50.060 supply side tax reforms. And the thing I will say is pretending,

00:09:53.780 that ethnicity and demography doesn't have any bearing on culture. Okay. That might

00:09:58.160 well be fine for you, Nigel, because you're well, he, he, he does, he does concede that

00:10:03.260 it has, excuse me, an impact on culture. It's just, it's not his concern because he differentiates

00:10:09.400 and separates the two things.

00:10:10.860 But you cut, this is the point, pretending you can differentiate and separate them. It

00:10:13.840 might be fine for Nigel because he's nearly 70 and wealthy. I'm a third of his age and

00:10:18.440 I'm going to be living with the consequences of pretending that it has nothing to do with it

00:10:22.220 for a very long time. So it is annoying to me.

00:10:25.180 Well, you know, it's interesting. Let's, uh, the, the way his, his mind works on this,

00:10:30.940 I find quite interesting. Let's go to the second clip.

00:10:33.820 No, I think the real problem is this, that the population explosion and remind ourselves

00:10:41.220 that it's 10 million increase since Blair came to power, 6 million increase since the conservatives

00:10:47.560 came to power in 2010 is having a negative effect on the lifestyles of pretty much everybody

00:10:54.240 in the country, whether it is access to public services, whether it is the complete unaffordability

00:11:01.440 or impossibility of young people to get on the housing ladder. I mean, just think about it.

00:11:06.600 We need to build a new home every two minutes just to cope with the last two years levels

00:11:12.560 of legal, let alone illegal, legal net migration, uh, the impact, the impact on, oh, I mean,

00:11:20.040 everything, traffic, you name it. I mean, I mean, you know, our lives have been devalued and

00:11:24.340 now we learn, now we learn that even the one big reason why we were all told we've got to

00:11:32.060 put up with this, we're beginning to learn that's not true either. Namely the economy.

00:11:36.860 So if I'm just, uh, like one, one thing that I find very frustrating about this is a very

00:11:42.860 typical boomer perspective. So, oh, material, our lives are being ruined. Our monetary, uh,

00:11:49.980 power is being devalued. Uh, if we can just go to the, um, the links I've got there, Samson,

00:11:55.260 just because he is correct about this, just to be clear. Um, get back on there. There we go. Yeah.

00:12:03.860 So, um, this is the, you know, this is the UK's latest, uh, GDP estimate and, uh, no growth in

00:12:11.500 June. Well, I mean, you know, there's been very, very little growth. Basically, the more immigration

00:12:15.560 goes up, the more the economy grinds to a halt. Obviously true. Uh, this is of course costing us

00:12:21.820 billions as everyone knows. Andrea Jenkins thinks it's 14 billion every year and, uh, Labour accept

00:12:29.460 this because, uh, Yvette Cooper said, yep, quote, we need to clear the backlog of asylum claims that

00:12:33.840 we have as inherited from the Conservatives because they're costing us billions of pounds. But this is

00:12:37.600 of course illegals. Uh, a recent study found that economically inactive legal immigrants costing

00:12:42.960 billion, uh, Britain about 23 billion pounds over the last four years. So it's not that

00:12:48.080 Farage is wrong, but was this the question that was being asked? The, the, the premise of this

00:12:54.840 is that if we could mobilize the private sector to build enough studio apartment battery farms to

00:13:03.000 house the entire third world tomorrow and all the trains still run on time, it would be okay.

00:13:06.860 Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, he's, he's perfectly happy with the vision of Britain as a giant factory

00:13:11.880 farm, right? I mean, no longer England's green and pleasant land. As long as the culture's

00:13:16.660 okay. As long as the, yeah. As long as they're all wearing their union jack hats. Yeah. And

00:13:21.060 this is the last night of the proms. Yeah. This is the thing that Eric Calfin talks about

00:13:24.480 in White Shift and he, he analyzes the Brexit referendum pretty well. And he said, actually

00:13:29.800 the majority of Brexit voters were concerned about sovereignty, immigration, and cultural

00:13:33.560 cohesion above economic matters. So they were willing to take an economic hit. And that's

00:13:37.120 why the side of those, I'm one of those. And so when politicians go out and they

00:13:41.600 think that making a purely economic or infrastructure based argument about immigration keeps them

00:13:46.380 from accusations of racism by the sphere, one, it won't, they'll still call you racist

00:13:50.020 anyway. Two, you're actually alienating your core voters because you're cloaking cultural

00:13:53.900 concerns in economic terms. They're concerned primarily about the cultural concerns because

00:13:58.220 even if all the trains were cheap and accessible, if I've got a hundred foreigners around me playing

00:14:03.740 TikToks aloud in random different languages, it's going to feel very uncomfortable. And that's

00:14:07.540 happening now. Just going to feel alienated even if they're all quiet.

00:14:10.780 See, what I don't understand is, I mean, I understand that Nigel Farage doesn't want

00:14:16.400 to talk about race. He just doesn't want to talk about race or ethnicity, whatever you

00:14:19.920 want to call it. But there are ways that he can, that he could have answered the first

00:14:24.840 question in particular, you know, that would actually have been, that would have satisfied

00:14:28.960 everybody basically. His entire sort of core constituency, he could just have said, you know,

00:14:35.300 Britain has been subject to an unprecedented social experiment since 1997. You know, mass

00:14:43.780 immigration was a policy that was instituted by the Labour Party specifically to change the

00:14:49.680 nature of Britain socially and politically, to rub the right's nose in diversity, as Andrew

00:14:55.440 Nether, the Labour advisor, said. I mean, he could just have said, look, this is a social experiment

00:15:01.360 that's gone terribly wrong. If he'd said something like that, then that would have been fine.

00:15:06.980 No one would have complained, because it would be true.

00:15:08.960 It's also not a race-based concern, because the Albanians are pretty white, and I wasn't

00:15:12.920 too keen when thousands of those are coming across the channel either.

00:15:15.880 Exactly. This is why I'm much more specific about it being ethnicity, because I think that

00:15:19.760 really is the core of the issue. I mean, at the moment, the East End is populated by

00:15:22.900 Frenchmen. I'm not happy about it, actually. That's where the Cockneys should live.

00:15:26.900 The French have got France, theoretically, and they should bloody well go back there.

00:15:31.600 But anyway, let's move on, because Stephen Edgington does do a good job of dragging him

00:15:35.700 back to the core point. Nigel, we want to talk about demographics specifically. Let's play this one.

00:15:44.000 You say you're not concerned about demographic changes in Britain, but we have seen the fastest

00:15:49.900 and most rapid decline of the white British population ever experienced in British history.

00:15:55.080 This has happened in such a tiny, short period of time. And I think some people, many, many

00:16:01.040 people in Britain are concerned about that. Majority cities that were once 90% white British

00:16:06.720 are now majority ethnic minority. London, Leicester, Birmingham. So why isn't that a concern of

00:16:11.860 yours?

00:16:12.500 Look, I'm very concerned that we have whole areas of our towns and cities that are unrecognisable

00:16:19.180 as being English. But they're not unrecognisable as being English because of skin colour.

00:16:24.480 They're unrecognisable because of culture.

00:16:28.360 Right. A few things there. First of all, English as an ethnicity is white. That has no moral

00:16:34.380 content. So yes, there is an element of it being recognisable. King John did not ascribe

00:16:40.760 to English values, which is why we needed Magna Carta to constrain him. There might be a wonderful

00:16:44.460 Nigerian chap who's lived in Lagos all of his life, who waves the Union Jack and is a Christian

00:16:48.540 and who would be a great neighbour. Does it not make him more English than King John?

00:16:51.820 But the issue is that culture is what people do. And so it's a product of those individual,

00:16:58.120 particular people. It's not something that is just floating in the ether that someone

00:17:03.320 right away across the world can say, you know what, I'm going to become English for a day.

00:17:06.560 It's just not an option. It is only produced by English people and those people who are,

00:17:12.440 I guess, married into or very much part of the tribe of Englishness.

00:17:16.160 Like Ben Habib.

00:17:16.920 Like Ben Habib. It doesn't exist outside of that. And so Nigel is committed to English cities being

00:17:24.880 mostly English if he wants English culture out of English cities. And so he says, well,

00:17:29.920 I'm concerned about this, but I'm only concerned on a cultural level. But you can't distinguish the

00:17:34.460 cultural level from the ethnic level because the culture is a product of the ethnicity,

00:17:37.980 which is why he can't describe it without naming the ethnicity it comes from. It's English culture.

00:17:45.340 There's not some other kind of, you know, abstract noun or something. It is the culture that comes

00:17:51.520 from the English ethnicity.

00:17:53.180 Do you know who was concerned about this a couple of years ago?

00:17:55.580 Nigel Farage.

00:17:56.640 That's true.

00:17:56.960 When the census came out and he did a down camera video saying it's essentially a problem that London

00:18:02.820 is now minority white English. And Sajid Javid responds to him saying,

00:18:07.400 so what? And now Nigel Farage has taken Sajid Javid's opinion.

00:18:11.580 Well, exactly. Like, this is the weird thing about reform becoming like a values party.

00:18:16.200 So weirdly enough, Labour aren't a values party. Labour are actually very specific about the

00:18:20.740 ethnic groups that they support and will pick out.

00:18:23.140 But this is precisely as well, this is precisely the line of reasoning that's being used in Springfield,

00:18:28.760 Ohio to justify the Haitian invasion of Springfield, Ohio. You know, you have people,

00:18:33.880 local businessmen, local community leaders saying things like, oh, they've, you know,

00:18:39.080 they've revitalized the factories. They've revitalized the Pentecostal churches and the,

00:18:43.940 you know, the Protestant churches and whatever. It's pure culture. It's interesting and very

00:18:50.160 strange and disappointing actually to hear Nigel Farage basically using replacementist kind of

00:18:57.000 arguments to justify how British cities could actually be made British again simply through

00:19:03.300 the, you know, through values rather than demographics.

00:19:08.220 But even then, he's still committed in a way that he's not admitting.

00:19:13.540 Sure.

00:19:13.900 That's the problem. By the very nature of the construct of, I want English culture and English

00:19:18.700 cities. He's committed to an ethnic argument. And the attempt to separate it out into a values

00:19:23.560 argument isn't true. It's a false argument.

00:19:26.440 It reminds me of Richard Dawkins saying, I'm a cultural Christian. I love all the hymns at

00:19:30.500 Christmas time. I love the churches, but I'm going to do literally everything I can to

00:19:34.120 discourage people from attending them in the first place and then wonder why they get turned

00:19:37.060 into mosques.

00:19:37.760 Now, Farage is not like that, obviously. He's not a warrior against English culture or anything,

00:19:41.780 you know, so I don't want to make it seem like that we're saying that.

00:19:44.840 No, but he's antithetical to the demographic change. Sorry, antithetical.

00:19:50.340 Apathetic.

00:19:50.740 But it's the boomer mindset. Again, if it wasn't for Neiman Parnovini's work on this,

00:19:57.560 I wouldn't be able to see this so clearly. But it's the boomer mindset as if there is

00:20:02.100 something that is different and detached. The culture is separate from the people. It's

00:20:06.860 like, no, the culture is a product of the people. And without the people, you don't get

00:20:09.580 the culture. And it's literally that simple. And it happens everywhere. And everyone knows

00:20:12.840 it happens everywhere, which is why John Cleese was like, wow, London isn't an English

00:20:15.780 city. Good point. On every single level, London isn't an English city. It's not

00:20:20.180 demographically English. It's not culturally English. It's not like spiritually English.

00:20:23.620 It's probably not legally English in most parts, you know, on every bloody level. And

00:20:28.900 Farage is, again, but it's the boomer mindset. They've got this, like, externalist view that

00:20:36.060 we'll, in fact, we'll get onto in a minute because, in fact, let's go to the next clip.

00:20:39.480 I mean, look, you know, the truth is, I genuinely think that the British are the most open-minded,

00:20:49.200 most accepting people, you know, that you'd frankly find, I think, from any Western country.

00:20:55.920 But it's the cultural impact of this. It is the societal impact of this. You know,

00:21:02.100 you look at our cities now, you know, people often don't even, don't even know the names

00:21:07.740 of their neighbours. It is the breakdown of communities. It's why, kind of, in the election

00:21:12.400 campaign, I said, family, community, country, these are the things that we're going to stand

00:21:17.240 for in reform. So, yes, of course, I'm deeply worried, but perhaps for different reasons

00:21:21.520 than your question.

00:21:22.100 I don't know why these things keep going off. But that particularly bothers me, because

00:21:27.580 what is he appealing to there? He's appealing to some sort of abstract metaphysical entity

00:21:33.820 called society. He's not appealing to the genuine, real human beings that are actually

00:21:39.700 having their lives affected. And so you've got this kind of external, institutional view

00:21:44.140 where it's like, okay, I could be concerned inside the frame of the family, the local community,

00:21:49.820 but instead I'm looking at it from outside as someone who's just like, oh, well, that

00:21:53.620 doesn't look very good as if it's gone out of wrong colour or something. You know, it's

00:21:57.120 like, no, no, sorry, no, we're really having real human problems here. And for some reason

00:22:03.120 you're not acknowledging that with these answers.

00:22:05.100 Well, whose family, whose community, whose country? Exactly. And if, this is why you said

00:22:11.080 boomer politics. Ever since the Second World War, it has been the case that if you stake

00:22:15.200 a claim in a given people, history, culture, country, you are indistinguishable

00:22:19.820 from Nazi Germany. That is a fiction, but it is something that I think has been wrote,

00:22:25.440 learned, and this is why, left to their own devices, the boomers will fall back on liberalism.

00:22:29.740 Because in all of those statements, Farad could have been talking about Muslims.

00:22:34.280 He could have been talking about any country anywhere.

00:22:36.500 Specifically, you value family, you value community, you value your country. Okay, well,

00:22:42.500 Mohammed bin Salman could have said that.

00:22:44.020 Who doesn't? Yeah. So let's go to the next one, because this is where Stephen starts getting

00:22:48.540 a bit edgy. If Britain is made up of a majority of immigrants and their descendants,

00:22:54.960 is it the same country? Well, it's not the same country, because you don't actually have

00:22:59.040 anything in common. That's the problem, isn't it? That part of who we are is shaped by our history,

00:23:08.060 is shaped by our family experiences, is shaped by the triumphs and tragedies that the country's

00:23:14.600 been through in the last 100, 150 years. It's part of who we are. And if you finish up with large

00:23:22.780 numbers of people with whom you have nothing in common, well, clearly, it's going to be a very

00:23:26.980 different place. And one that's going to struggle to have a proper collective sense of what matters.

00:23:38.220 Again, speaking from the outside, as in, oh, if you just had a collective sense, if you just knew

00:23:43.320 your neighbours, then actually English cities becoming minority English would be just fine,

00:23:47.820 and I wouldn't have a problem with that.

00:23:48.960 He's also described a large part of the constituent elements of ethnicity, and just omitted the fact

00:23:54.660 that genetic heritage plays a part in whether or not you're going to buy into a given culture.

00:23:59.100 So he's almost most of the way there, and then just sort of imposes a limit on himself because

00:24:04.620 he's worried about being called racist by the exact kind of people that are going to call him racist

00:24:07.720 anywhere. Have you got the clip in here as well, where he talks about the vast majority of British

00:24:11.940 Muslims, by any chance? No, I left that bit out.

00:24:14.040 It's, okay, that really annoyed me, though.

00:24:16.460 I know, I'm sure it did.

00:24:17.340 And I'm sure he's saying that because Ziya Yusuf is now chairman, but it's like,

00:24:19.900 Nigel, you had people on your GB News show a few weeks ago from the Henry Jackson Society that did

00:24:23.860 some pretty robust polling after October the 7th that said,

00:24:26.540 the majority of British Muslims have a positive opinion of Hamas. So no, the vast majority of

00:24:30.200 British Muslims are not concerned about radical Islam. I'm sorry to break it to you,

00:24:33.740 and you're not going to make inroads with them. Instead, the only inroads you can make are

00:24:36.820 the disenfranchised Indigenous English who do not feel they can vote for anyone at the moment

00:24:40.680 because they all sound the same. Sounding more like the establishment parties they won't vote

00:24:44.040 for won't win you voters.

00:24:45.980 Thoughts, Charlie?

00:24:47.820 Thoughts? I mean, first of all, you know, saying that history is just a part of who we are,

00:24:52.620 obviously. I mean, it's not a part of who we are. It is who we are. I mean, it is fundamental.

00:24:57.620 It's fundamental to who and what we are. I mean, I think I always find these appeals to

00:25:02.980 collectivity rather strange. You know, not only because they're so, I mean, they're so beige,

00:25:11.740 basically. It's a kind of beige sort of, this communitarian vision. But also, I mean, for starters,

00:25:18.540 you know, we've never, even the English, you know, we've never had a totally shared collective

00:25:23.520 vision. I mean, it's a falsification, actually, of what a nation is. I mean, nations are riven

00:25:28.420 by struggle. I mean, the class system in particular. But this sort of false vision that all we need is

00:25:37.220 some sort of unifying big society type vision, you know, that that'll be fine. That'll be fine.

00:25:42.900 I mean, it is boomerism at its worst. And, you know, I only saw the first clip before I came here.

00:25:49.780 And I had hoped that the rest of the interview wouldn't be as bad, but it's actually worse.

00:25:54.280 It actually gets a bit worse that we're going to go into. I'm going to make this a long segment

00:25:57.880 because I think it's important. But you are right. The idea that there was a shared mass culture

00:26:02.920 in which everyone bought into is a very post-World War II 20th century perspective because of mass

00:26:10.000 media. Before, what you had is lots of regional settlements, essentially, where different regions

00:26:17.080 got along with it. You can see this in Burke's lecture to the Bristol Electors, in fact, where he

00:26:22.740 talks about how regions of England rely upon one another and things like that. I don't actually agree

00:26:27.420 on that one. The eventual conclusion he came to out of that. But the description is what's

00:26:33.520 important there because, yeah, no, Devon is different to Northumbria, you know, but they

00:26:38.200 are still English and they do have connections, but they are distinct. And so it's not this...

00:26:43.620 But the connections are physical, biological connections. That's what cuts across...

00:26:47.620 Well, not just that. They're also sentimental and romantic. You know, you have a romantic

00:26:52.980 vision of parts of the country, but you are right. There is also a biological... It's a very, very deep

00:26:58.000 thing to describe an ethnicity. But you're, of course, correct. You know, it's partly biological,

00:27:02.340 it's partly this, it's partly that. And Nigel's like, okay, I want the very thin BBC culture view

00:27:07.400 that was produced in the 20th century. So everyone got, you know, there were three channels or whatever

00:27:12.300 when he was growing up, however many... And it's like, that just doesn't exist. But there are other

00:27:16.240 things that underpin it that do exist that we can talk about. But like I said, it does get worse.

00:27:22.460 So let's, let's go to the next one.

00:27:27.340 In Birmingham recently, we saw anti-white graffiti painted on a school. This was in an area which was

00:27:34.580 more than 90% non-white British, ethnically diverse, mostly kind of Asian population. We've also seen

00:27:41.460 examples of anti-white discrimination in the RAF and more recently in the police. These were court

00:27:47.100 cases, you know, found that these people were discriminated against because of the colour of

00:27:50.840 their skin. Is Britain becoming systemically racist against white people? I think some of the

00:27:55.700 institutions are, and the Royal Air Force perhaps is the best example of the lot. I mean, hey, surely

00:28:00.820 you've got to pick people who are physically and technically the best people to be in the Royal

00:28:05.700 Air Force. And I thought it was absolutely appalling what they've done. No, look,

00:28:10.440 the problem is we're living in a two-tier country. You know, two-tier attitudes towards employment,

00:28:17.020 two-tier attitudes towards policing. I mean, you know, Black Lives Matter, you know, police officers

00:28:22.600 taking the knee, dancing in the streets virtually. You get a, you know, a rough crowd at a football

00:28:29.580 game and the policing is very, very different. Fascinating response. Because Stephen began

00:28:35.680 with non-institutional racism. There was, someone had scrawled on a wall in Birmingham,

00:28:42.840 no whites. And Nigel immediately frames it, well, I think the institutions are. Yeah,

00:28:48.480 no, the institutions are as well. It's this depersonalised perspective on politics we

00:28:53.040 mentioned earlier. And this allows him to decouple it from a demographic perspective. Because

00:28:58.140 as we've discussed before, yes, there are brainwashed white female middle managers that

00:29:03.040 have fully signed up to the diversity initiative because of pathological compassion, sure. But I

00:29:07.440 don't think Hamza Youssef was making a nuanced point about anti-racist equality when he decried

00:29:12.520 all of Scotland for being white. I think that's ethnic and tribal antagonism. And those people being in

00:29:17.240 those institutions is a sort of unilateral inconsiderateness about merit because they want

00:29:24.100 to advantage their own personal in-group. But it's more than that. Because as Parvini points out,

00:29:28.940 it's an obsession with the institution. Nigel blinds himself to the real social racism against

00:29:37.000 English people that is being felt in the 90% non-white, non-English area of Birmingham. And so

00:29:44.480 when he says, like, yeah, no, there's definite anti-white racism in, you know, we live in a two-tier

00:29:53.180 society. So they've got a two-tier police, a two-tier thing. He's, again, looking at the institution

00:29:59.300 and their behavior, not the motive behind all of this two-tier nonsense. Because it's not that they

00:30:05.880 are being two-tier because they're like, yeah, we just like having inequality and we just want

00:30:10.020 one group to benefit. No, it's because they hate white people. It's because they hate the native

00:30:15.220 English. And Farage has kind of, again, just moved the mirror so very slightly that you can't see that

00:30:22.120 now. And so now it's the institution is not upholding an egalitarian liberal frame of one

00:30:27.300 rule for all, rather than focusing on the genuine hatred of the native population that is being

00:30:33.200 expressed through the nature of the two-tier policing and whatnot. And so, again, I just find

00:30:40.440 it very interesting how he's just almost on the point at every point, but he can never actually stand

00:30:46.200 on it. We're running a bit short time, but we've got a couple more clues. Let's go for the next one.

00:30:53.260 Go for the next. Here's a good one. In terms of the atmosphere in Britain, are you concerned that

00:30:57.920 there is a rising level of anti-white hatred? I'm just concerned about a deeply divided society.

00:31:06.060 I'm concerned about a society which they tell us that, they keep telling us the crime figures are

00:31:13.360 improving. I think that's because people just don't bother to report crime anymore. People feel far

00:31:18.700 less safe going out and about. And I know, I've spoken to a number of women who live in London who

00:31:27.000 just want to leave, who just genuinely don't feel safe on the tube at night. So, you know, all you

00:31:32.320 have to do is open your eyes to see that we are living through societal decline. It frankly is a

00:31:39.240 disaster. The question was about anti-white hatred, not societal decline. Who's committing the crime,

00:31:45.300 Nigel? Who is making women feel unsafe in London, Nigel? Please answer the question, Nigel.

00:31:51.960 But this appeal to Britain as a deeply divided society, again, you know, historically, we've always been a

00:31:57.580 deeply divided society. I mean, you know, go back to the 19th century. Go back to the Peasants' Revolt.

00:32:04.320 How far back do you want to go? I don't think the Scousers have much love for the South.

00:32:09.080 Yeah, it's just, it's fine. No, I mean, that's no real metric, is it? Division in itself. I mean,

00:32:17.700 you have, at the very least, you have to talk about specific kinds of division. But yeah, this is so,

00:32:24.460 this is so bad. The whole premise of populism is to take issues that have been put on rails outside

00:32:29.460 the boundary of public debate and put them back into public debate. But then this is demonized

00:32:33.840 by being divisive. Because the entire premise is that we are all equal. And so if decisions were

00:32:39.680 made in our rational self-interest, because we're all equal, then we'd all want to make the same

00:32:43.500 decision. So by saying things are divisive, you're playing into their rhetoric and rendering your own

00:32:47.800 populist revolt moot.

00:32:49.740 And moreover, again, you're appealing to something outside of people themselves. Oh,

00:32:55.540 the abstract entity of society. So I'm actually not worried about the abstract entity of society.

00:33:00.320 I'm worried about whether my daughter is going to be attacked when she's on the bus.

00:33:04.420 Yeah, I'm worried about that.

00:33:05.640 I'm not worried about people being unequal. In fact, that's something I support, hierarchy.

00:33:10.660 I mean, yeah, it's not that I don't want to live in a society where people are unequal. No,

00:33:15.840 it's that I actually, there's a very different kind of society that I don't want to live in.

00:33:20.100 I'd like to live in a society where people belong, instead of one, you know,

00:33:24.640 and then anyway, so we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll finish on this next clip.

00:33:31.300 In the US, when they had a period of mass migration in the late 19th century, early 20th century,

00:33:36.660 they closed their borders largely in the 1920s for, I think, almost three decades.

00:33:42.340 Do you think Britain should do the same?

00:33:44.220 Pretty much. I think we should aim for, let's give net zero a different meaning.

00:33:49.820 I mean, people are always going to come and go. And we are a country that's engaged in international

00:33:55.420 trade. And we have relationships around the world through the Commonwealth, etc.

00:34:01.780 But yeah, we have to aim at a balanced migration policy.

00:34:05.700 But net zero still means hundreds of thousands of people coming into Britain,

00:34:09.880 immigrants coming into Britain. Isn't that too many?

00:34:11.880 It may well be, but we have to start somewhere. We have to start somewhere. If we can get into

00:34:16.740 people's minds that we have to try and stop this relentless rise in the population that's having

00:34:21.960 that, that's having a negative impact. That's where you start.

00:34:25.380 It's not purely the rise in the population. It's the demographic churn by having a net outflow of

00:34:29.380 Brits and a net inflow of foreign nationals. That is the point. That's why Stephen's doing the

00:34:33.300 Lord's work with this question.

00:34:34.360 It's also interesting, the comparison with the US, with mass immigration into the US at the end of

00:34:40.820 the 19th, beginning of the 20th century. I mean, that was a huge thing. It was a huge thing, of course.

00:34:46.100 Enormous numbers of people, but all European.

00:34:50.860 And they closed the borders for 30 years.

00:34:52.800 Yes, exactly. They closed the borders for 30 years. But what they had done is they had

00:34:56.460 absorbed a huge number of assimilable people. And they did manage to assimilate them. And so,

00:35:02.760 you know, Italian-Americans and...

00:35:04.660 But even then, it led to rises in organised crime.

00:35:06.860 Yeah, and it still has problems.

00:35:08.100 I wouldn't even say that was perfect. The fact that there are Italian-Americans,

00:35:11.280 Irish-Americans, so, wow, how assimilated are they actually?

00:35:13.400 Well, also, like, it was only over 15% of the American population. That's a very high number.

00:35:18.300 London is currently 50% born abroad, not just second-generation immigrants. So...

00:35:23.640 But what I suppose what I mean is that, actually, the Americans could do something with the people who came.

00:35:29.660 It might have taken time, and it did create distinct hyphenated cultures.

00:35:34.620 But they actually contributed to the American project. And most people would say Italian-Americans,

00:35:40.300 they can stay. You know, they make good pizzas, good reality TV shows, and that sort of thing.

00:35:46.720 But actually, the difference here is that we've already got millions of people who actually aren't

00:35:52.840 going to assimilate, which is then, you know, you get onto the question of re-migration, for example.

00:35:57.800 Well, OK, well, we'll play this last clip, then, if we want to get onto the question of re-migration.

00:36:01.780 Go on.

00:36:02.640 Do you support mass deportations?

00:36:05.300 Well, if people come illegally, they should not be allowed to stay. Simple as. Simple as.

00:36:10.120 And the only way you're ever going to solve the channel. And, boy, have a look at the last three days.

00:36:15.100 Unless they know that, number one, they'll never be granted refugee status by coming via this route,

00:36:22.060 that, number two, they're not going to stay, they'll keep coming.

00:36:26.060 But just back to the issue of deportations specifically, do you support that mass deportations?

00:36:31.520 Trump says in America that he wants mass deportations.

00:36:33.980 We're talking about hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants are in Britain at the moment.

00:36:37.280 Some estimates say the number could even be in, you know, a million plus.

00:36:40.560 So do you support deporting all of those people?

00:36:43.120 It's impossible to do. Literally impossible to do.

00:36:47.160 But do we have to begin the process? Yes.

00:36:49.420 Look, we're told that we can't send people back to Afghanistan, right? That's impossible.

00:36:53.620 Well, Germany, two weeks ago, did.

00:36:56.760 Germany sent a plane load of people back to Afghanistan.

00:37:00.200 You know, if the Germans can do it, I'm certainly sure we can.

00:37:04.060 But if the Americans can do it, for example, you know, in America, they are able to deport a lot of people.

00:37:09.700 I know they haven't under this administration, but Trump was able to.

00:37:12.440 It's not totally impossible, is it? I mean, it should be an ambition, at least.

00:37:15.860 Is it your ambition?

00:37:17.060 For us, at the moment, it's a political impossibility.

00:37:20.640 But is it your ambition?

00:37:21.960 No.

00:37:23.400 It's not a political impossibility.

00:37:24.920 The parties that are doing better than you in Europe and the US have promised it as a policy point.

00:37:29.120 So you are alienating your voters by not promising it.

00:37:31.800 And I don't care if it's a logistic impossibility.

00:37:34.320 There are 1.5 to 2 million basically confirmed illegals here since 1998.

00:37:40.140 It's going to be way more than that.

00:37:41.380 Yeah, but we at least know that from the estimates provided by Pew Research, Oxford Migration Observatory, etc.

00:37:48.600 They all need to be sent home because those are the illegals that you've said you need to be sent.

00:37:52.780 So then don't renege on the commitment because of logistics.

00:37:55.340 That's the most defeatist possible attitude.

00:37:57.740 No, we didn't conquer half the world by saying, nah, too big can't be done.

00:38:01.420 Honestly, Wellington's campaigns in India, man.

00:38:08.800 You used to be like, nah, it can't be done because he was literally outnumbered like 50 to 1 or something like that.

00:38:13.420 You know, it's staggering, the decline in Britain.

00:38:16.960 But we'll leave that there.

00:38:18.180 Nigel's heart is, I think, basically in the right place.

00:38:23.100 But there's something about the way he frames everything that he's talking about that just kind of sours in the mouth, right?

00:38:31.000 It's like, no, Nigel, you're not on point for some reason.

00:38:34.160 And there's no reason why you can't be because I think you do generally agree.

00:38:38.120 Anyway.

00:38:39.300 Are we doing rumble rants between the sides?

00:38:40.980 Oh, yeah, God, sorry, I forgot about those.

00:38:45.220 Yeah, I'll do those while we reset.

00:38:46.680 I don't know what's happening with the video wall today.

00:38:49.040 Everything's going wrong.

00:38:51.120 Right, okay.

00:38:51.780 I do know it's certainly not our producer Samson's fault.

00:38:54.160 No, no, Samson's...

00:38:54.920 Excellent job.

00:38:57.600 Something to do with the voltage, apparently.

00:38:59.440 Ramshackalot says,

00:39:00.080 A fruit tree that has been unpruned for years cannot be pruned hard in one season.

00:39:03.640 If you do, the tree will go into wild growth, throwing unproductive shoots.

00:39:06.780 It takes years.

00:39:07.700 Farage is pruning.

00:39:08.620 He's not.

00:39:09.240 I'm sorry, he's not.

00:39:10.160 Behind the scenes, people at Reform are really frustrated.

00:39:12.160 He is softening.

00:39:13.380 He's not pruning.

00:39:14.260 He's not biding his time, as you can see by that last statement,

00:39:16.980 because he said, this isn't even our ambition,

00:39:19.000 and it is politically palatable,

00:39:20.180 because he just said, the left-wing German government are doing it.

00:39:22.500 So this is the perfect time to say it's safe.

00:39:24.000 All of the winners across the continent are doing this.

00:39:26.240 It's a shame, actually, that Stephen didn't mention what's going on in Sweden.

00:39:31.400 You know, paying settled migrants.

00:39:34.520 I hate the Dengeld, but I understand.

00:39:36.360 Paying settled migrants to go home,

00:39:39.120 because then you could talk about the lifetime costs of a migrant,

00:39:45.340 hundreds of thousands of pounds to the taxpayer,

00:39:48.660 give them £15,000 and say, go home.

00:39:50.860 I mean, from a practical position, there's definitely an argument there.

00:39:55.200 And, you know, if they started doing it, would I complain?

00:39:57.460 No.

00:39:57.880 I just, like, good.

00:39:58.860 I can see why Nigel Farage is, sort of, blinks at the idea of sticking people

00:40:06.740 on a plane and sending them.

00:40:08.060 I mean, you know, you're going to have the people who campaign for Just Stop Oil,

00:40:12.920 the sort of retired vicars and retired doctors,

00:40:15.360 are going to be at Heathrow and Gatwick.

00:40:17.440 The Dem voters who even prison them, too.

00:40:19.860 Yeah.

00:40:20.180 But, you know, I mean, it's the optics of sticking people on a plane

00:40:24.660 and just sending them back to the country they came from

00:40:26.700 is very different from saying, look, actually, you know what?

00:40:29.000 Maybe you'd be better off in your home country.

00:40:30.840 Here's a little golden handshake.

00:40:32.420 Bugger off.

00:40:33.100 I think you woefully underestimate the appetite for people

00:40:35.340 to just send these criminals home.

00:40:36.740 Well, sure, yeah.

00:40:38.420 No, I do think there is a massive appetite.

00:40:41.420 But I think that...

00:40:43.020 They'll never let it go.

00:40:44.200 They'll never let it go.

00:40:44.980 And I also think that it does, it clearly does make politicians uneasy.

00:40:50.040 And ultimately, they are the ones who have to do it.

00:40:54.060 And you can just see that he is, fundamentally, he's uneasy

00:40:59.560 about the whole topic, all of it.

00:41:02.960 So Keith says basically the same thing.

00:41:06.340 If he says anything against the BBC, they'll use it against him.

00:41:09.260 It's like, yeah, but they should.

00:41:10.100 They already do.

00:41:10.760 Yeah, but he should.

00:41:11.760 He should be puppeteering the BBC.

00:41:13.300 He should be saying, look, I want the BBC to tell everyone in the country

00:41:15.880 that I'm going to get rid of the illegal immigrants.

00:41:18.340 And he'd be like, yeah, I'm totally for mass deportation of illegals.

00:41:21.820 You know, make it very clear, very crisp.

00:41:23.220 And the BBC would be like, Farage is going to deport illegals.

00:41:25.720 It's like, yes, I am.

00:41:26.800 Thank you for the free campaign, ad.

00:41:27.920 Exactly.

00:41:28.240 And that's exactly how Trump got to where he is.

00:41:31.440 And Farage should be doing the same thing.

00:41:32.700 But for some reason, he's not moving into that frame.

00:41:35.340 Which is mad, because Trump has now had two assassination attempts,

00:41:38.780 one very near miss, incited against him by the media and his political opposition.

00:41:42.880 And so he knows they would rather see him dead than victorious.

00:41:45.740 Given he's very good friends with Trump, I don't get why Farage doesn't get this yet.

00:41:48.940 Well, I think maybe Farage actually does get this and is looking and going,

00:41:52.140 do I want that?

00:41:53.100 Maybe he's a bit afraid.

00:41:55.660 Again, Aofui, I can't pronounce that.

00:41:58.380 I lost all respect for Nigel when he did reality TV.

00:42:00.680 I think he'd want to work in the US and reform is a poor second choice for him.

00:42:03.540 Classic boomer politician.

00:42:04.760 It's just out for himself.

00:42:05.140 I actually think the jungle thing with the smart campaigning thing.

00:42:07.780 Yeah, I do.

00:42:08.400 I do too.

00:42:09.860 Binary Surf says, Farage is showing the limitations of the boomer mindset in real time.

00:42:13.700 I must not state my beliefs, lest people who hate me anyway call me a racist.

00:42:17.420 Yes, that's Dan Tubbs' position as well.

00:42:19.760 You can lead a boomer to water, but you can't make him drink.

00:42:22.640 Right, let's move on to the next segment.

00:42:24.220 Sorry that one ran over.

00:42:25.240 That's all right.

00:42:26.240 Yep, I'm just going to let Samson play with the tabs at the moment because there is.

00:42:30.680 Samson, do you mind moving the little list of clips off my notes, please, so I can read it?

00:42:35.440 Oh, wonderful.

00:42:36.200 Thank you very much.

00:42:36.920 Doing well today, aren't we?

00:42:37.980 Yeah, I know.

00:42:38.600 Welcome to the tech problems of the Lotus Sears.

00:42:40.240 Anyway.

00:42:40.840 Normally it's fine.

00:42:42.240 Eh.

00:42:44.060 Oh, yes.

00:42:44.580 There's been a complete silence around reporting on a recent trial to do with the Rotherham

00:42:50.900 Grooming Gangs, the moral stain on British institutions for the last couple of decades.

00:42:57.680 And I just wanted to contrast this briefly with the reporting about recent disgraced BBC

00:43:03.540 News host and noted nonce, Hugh Edwards.

00:43:07.320 But before I do, if you want to work with us where we're actually, you know, reputable

00:43:12.840 figures and we don't do that sort of thing, there is a career listing.

00:43:15.820 Slow bar, man.

00:43:17.560 We're not nonces.

00:43:18.720 No.

00:43:19.520 Simple as.

00:43:20.820 Not the BBC.

00:43:21.820 We have a career listing for a production administrator.

00:43:23.920 If you're watching this at the time it goes out, it's probably still open.

00:43:26.360 If you're watching it in the far future, missed your chance.

00:43:27.920 However, if you just go onto our website, the careers section, look at the listing and you

00:43:32.220 think you might be suitable for that position and you want to come and work in Swindon,

00:43:36.380 good to see you aboard.

00:43:38.340 Anyway, look.

00:43:38.880 Point B.

00:43:39.520 Hugh Edwards had his trial.

00:43:41.160 This was covered briefly by Stelios yesterday.

00:43:43.120 The other guy that provided him all of the images as well, both of them got a suspended

00:43:47.720 sentence.

00:43:48.060 So he had paid 1,500 quid to Alex Williams, the guy who sent him those 41 illegal images.

00:43:55.400 They were some of the absolute worst material you could possibly imagine with children as

00:44:00.440 young as seven and nine in them.

00:44:04.180 He got a suspended sentence for this, meaning he will never see prison.

00:44:09.380 On the plus side, he'll never be able to go into a pub again.

00:44:12.520 Can you imagine?

00:44:14.560 Yeah.

00:44:14.960 The downside is, of course, that we have seen a litany of examples recently, such as

00:44:21.800 Judy Sweeney, a 53-year-old care worker, who put a spicy post on Facebook and has been

00:44:26.700 jailed for 15 months.

00:44:27.960 There was a guy waving an England flag who got jailed.

00:44:30.520 Yeah, there was a guy shouting at a dog as well, got two years.

00:44:33.820 So it's pretty clear that the magistrates' courts are a political wing of the Labour Party

00:44:38.400 and they are persecuting the political opponents of Keir Starmer for ill-advised social media

00:44:43.340 posts while letting actual paedophiles off the hook.

00:44:46.800 A lot of coverage about this story, from all sorts, lots of sympathetic coverage to

00:44:51.480 Hugh Edwards about his mental health, because for some reason a bout of anxiety causes you

00:44:54.980 to go and abuse children, but alright.

00:44:58.180 Remember, he didn't go to Oxford or Cambridge, and so he felt like an outsider, and so that's

00:45:02.900 why he became a paedophile.

00:45:03.720 Yeah, I'd rather him be the insider of Belmarsh, personally.

00:45:07.740 But there's an interesting silence, a conspiracy of silence, one might say, around this trial.

00:45:13.260 Now, this trial was arguably worse than Edwards because of the industrial-scale grooming of

00:45:18.740 white working-class girls across decades in various towns and cities in the UK.

00:45:23.180 This was in Rotherham, and it was only covered by Charlie Peters at GB News.

00:45:26.080 There was not a single other journalist in the gallery for this, and you can probably

00:45:32.120 tell why as we get into the details.

00:45:33.440 There's some good news and some bad news here.

00:45:35.320 Just a quick thing.

00:45:36.120 Again, Stephen Edgington.

00:45:37.500 No one else would have asked the questions of Nigel that he was asking.

00:45:41.300 You know, Charlie Peters, none of the other journalists are interested in this.

00:45:44.140 You know, so I...

00:45:45.520 There are many criticisms of GB News, but come on, guys.

00:45:48.060 They're decent lads, and they're doing the good work.

00:45:49.680 They have got a few fantastic people on staff.

00:45:52.340 So, well done to you, gents.

00:45:53.900 So, seven men were convicted of child sex offences in Rotherham in a nine-week trial that concluded

00:45:59.580 last Thursday, 12th of September.

00:46:01.900 The defendants were, and I wonder if you can spot a pattern here as we look at the mugshots,

00:46:06.780 Muhammad Abar, 42, Yasser Ajabi, 39, Muhammad Zamir Sadiq, 49, Muhammad Sayyab, 49, popular

00:46:16.000 name around those parts, Abid Sadiq, 43, Tahir Yasin, 38, and Ramin Bari, 37.

00:46:22.460 So, all grown men from the subcontinent with a particular religious motive.

00:46:28.920 And there's a Christian YouTuber called David Wood, who covers this.

00:46:33.100 He's so good, and he's so funny, and he just...

00:46:36.060 There's this one line from him, he's like, what do all these Mohammeds have in common?

00:46:39.580 He's so good.

00:46:41.140 Sorry, God.

00:46:41.920 That's all right.

00:46:42.720 The defendants arrived individually, according to Charlie, waving to their families in the

00:46:46.840 public gallery.

00:46:47.340 Now, this is something you've spoken about before.

00:46:50.920 What?

00:46:51.820 There is an uncomfortable reality that these communities cover for one another.

00:46:56.720 Because if you had found out that your dad was guilty of molesting children, you would

00:47:03.260 never show up there again.

00:47:04.740 You would never speak.

00:47:05.360 If my wife had found out that I was doing that, I wouldn't be waving to her as I walked

00:47:10.720 into the court.

00:47:12.260 She would disown me.

00:47:14.580 The details get worse.

00:47:15.580 So, the men were investigated as part of the National Crime Agency's Operation Stovewood.

00:47:19.860 This was launched after 2014 with the Alexis J report.

00:47:23.380 The number of convictions by Stovewood, bear in mind that thousands of girls that have

00:47:28.060 been victimised by the grooming gangs, is only 33.

00:47:31.480 And they've identified 1,150 victims.

00:47:34.220 There is another task force set up by...

00:47:36.460 Sorry, say it again.

00:47:37.660 How many victims were there?

00:47:39.060 They have only identified, this investigation, 1,150.

00:47:42.860 They've identified 1,000 victims?

00:47:44.940 Yeah.

00:47:46.200 Gets worse, right?

00:47:47.200 Jesus Christ.

00:47:47.760 Because, no, last year, in April 2023, after Charlie Peters' documentary for GB News,

00:47:53.100 Grooming Gangs Britain Shame...

00:47:54.040 Again, it was amazing.

00:47:54.760 Yep.

00:47:55.040 Suella Bregman watched that.

00:47:55.980 Yep.

00:47:56.100 And so she set up as part of the Home Office, one of the only good reasons the Home Office

00:47:58.820 exists, which is a National Grooming Gangs Task Force.

00:48:01.080 This is something that, to Rishi Sionek's credit, failed on everything else.

00:48:04.200 He did promise to do this.

00:48:05.060 They have coordinated with 43 police forces in England and Wales, and they have identified

00:48:09.600 over 4,000 victims in less than a year, and arrested 550 suspects.

00:48:16.020 So, that is the scale of the industrial rape that has happened across England and Wales,

00:48:19.760 particularly by Pakistani Muslim men.

00:48:22.840 This was an ethnic and religious motivated crime.

00:48:24.840 This is not just general sex crimes.

00:48:26.500 Over 4,000 victims identified.

00:48:29.220 So, leading prosecutor Nicholas Lumley summarised the case, warning, some of this stuff is going

00:48:33.820 to be horrific, but necessary.

00:48:37.400 He says, it took place in the early 2000s with the girls, who were aged between 11 and

00:48:41.000 16 at the time, being groomed while they were in care.

00:48:44.020 So, they targeted care homes.

00:48:45.220 This is something that Hannah Barnes has actually detailed.

00:48:47.040 This is a repeated pattern.

00:48:48.780 Well, there was a woman that worked at the Tavistock Clinic that used to work at a Rotherham

00:48:51.660 care home, and she said that the same girls, sort of same profile of the girls that were

00:48:55.520 leaving care and going and getting gender transitions, were also being snuck out of the care

00:48:59.660 homes, and all the care home staff knew about it and didn't do anything.

00:49:02.460 So, there you go.

00:49:04.000 The abusers often collected the girls from children's homes in South Yorkshire.

00:49:07.360 They were abused across the town, including in a cemetery, a supermarket car park, and

00:49:11.480 behind a nursery.

00:49:13.680 Sheffield Crown Court heard how one of the girls was locked inside the abusers' homes,

00:49:16.820 with one girl escaping via a window after being assaulted.

00:49:20.680 The defendants denied the sexual acts against the girls, and some even denied knowing the

00:49:24.340 complainants, with the women having to be cross-examined at the trial.

00:49:28.720 So, the court heard the victims had to, time and time again, carry out identification

00:49:32.500 procedures, confronting each man one by one to confirm their identity.

00:49:36.760 So, sitting them in the room with their abusers many years on.

00:49:39.700 One of the survivors, there were two survivors that delivered a witness account.

00:49:42.380 One of them was in the court, and she delivered a witness statement.

00:49:44.400 Her abuse started when she was 11, in a primary school playground.

00:49:48.360 Her abuser made her undergo a virginity test.

00:49:50.840 She said,

00:49:51.120 You made me ashamed of being a virgin, at 11.

00:49:54.280 That same day, you sent me off and forced me to commit a sexual act.

00:49:57.080 I knew it was wrong, but I wanted to belong somewhere.

00:49:59.060 You monsters took advantage of my vulnerabilities.

00:50:01.080 You started to pass me around as if I was a fresh piece of meat, man-to-man, city-to-city.

00:50:05.040 So, this is a cross-country trafficking organisation.

00:50:08.140 All five, the men that she listed there, played a part in exploiting her.

00:50:12.020 She spoke directly to Yasser Ajib, and she said,

00:50:14.660 You didn't play a big part in what happened to me.

00:50:16.440 I didn't even class you as one of my main perpetrators, but you're still one of my abusers.

00:50:19.500 She said he abused her behind a nursery.

00:50:22.360 When she was 12, she was assaulted in a taxi until she was bleeding.

00:50:26.500 She was given alcohol, cigarettes, and drugs.

00:50:28.200 She became addicted throughout her adolescence and attempted suicide more than once.

00:50:31.420 Her phone was confiscated as she was trafficked around different towns in England.

00:50:34.680 And so, addressing the seven men, she said,

00:50:37.380 I don't want to give you too much of my time.

00:50:39.020 You've already had all of my childhood and the majority of my adulthood.

00:50:42.260 Was I groomed, or was I a slag like they said I was?

00:50:44.520 For years, I believed I was a slag.

00:50:46.620 I was just a child, not a slag, nor was I a problem child.

00:50:48.960 I was vulnerable and screaming for help.

00:50:50.780 For years, she suffered with flashbacks, and she gets a whiff of one of her abuser's smells sometimes,

00:50:54.940 or hears their laughs as they assaulted her.

00:50:57.260 She wakes up screaming from nightmares, even when highly medicated.

00:51:00.240 She, quote,

00:51:00.660 You took my childhood, my innocence, my freedom, my family.

00:51:02.920 I was forced into children's homes because of what you did to me.

00:51:04.880 Those homes didn't protect me as they should have.

00:51:06.620 In fact, they made it easier for you to take me.

00:51:09.000 By the time I was 16, I'd been abused by over 150 men.

00:51:12.220 Her education became non-existent.

00:51:13.560 She became violent and angry with the world.

00:51:15.740 Quote,

00:51:15.960 Again, very powerful.

00:51:34.140 Charlie Peters was the only one there that bothered to document this.

00:51:36.860 Round-the-clock coverage for other stories.

00:51:40.740 Well, I mean, she's an English girl.

00:51:43.800 Yeah, quite.

00:51:45.160 There was another girl who did a victim statement via a video link.

00:51:49.180 She said,

00:51:49.500 All of you came into my life when I was at my most vulnerable.

00:51:51.540 You all made me feel wanted, loved, and part of something, something I craved.

00:51:54.660 Life started to feel good, as if I belonged.

00:51:56.580 I was made to feel like I was pretty, that I was somebody.

00:51:59.060 What I did not realize as a vulnerable child was that you all had ulterior motives.

00:52:02.640 You all befriended me for reasons it would take years to understand.

00:52:04.900 In the coming years, I hope you feel as lonely, frightened, and isolated as I have felt.

00:52:08.420 You violated and humiliated me when I was a vulnerable child.

00:52:10.920 Now it's your turn to feel as I did.

00:52:12.700 Now, all of these men were convicted.

00:52:14.280 And I'm going to read out the sentences for you.

00:52:17.000 Because remember, again, Hugh Edwards got nothing.

00:52:20.620 These men involved in a countrywide operation that led to thousands of girls being raped.

00:52:29.460 Mohamed Amar, convicted of two counts of indecent assault,

00:52:32.660 16 years imprisonment with two years on extended license.

00:52:35.660 Yassar Ajib, one count of indecent assault,

00:52:38.580 six years imprisonment, 12 months on extended license.

00:52:40.780 Rahman Bari, four counts of rape, sentenced to nine years.

00:52:45.680 Mohamed Zemir, Sadiq, convicted of one count of rape

00:52:49.300 and one count of intercourse with a girl under 13.

00:52:51.700 How's that not rape?

00:52:55.920 I'm not a lawyer.

00:52:57.160 No.

00:52:58.300 Sentenced to 15 years imprisonment, 12 months on extended license.

00:53:01.160 Quote,

00:53:01.960 Some family members were seen shaking their heads and crying as a sentence was delivered.

00:53:07.560 They were upset.

00:53:08.920 Oh, yeah.

00:53:09.380 That he was going to prison for raping a girl under 13.

00:53:14.500 Yeah, I'm not upset about that.

00:53:16.640 Tamir Yassin, eight counts, 13 years imprisonment.

00:53:21.760 Again, this is a very weird statement from Justice Slater, who sentenced him.

00:53:25.780 Said Yassin was, quote,

00:53:27.040 a sexual opportunist rather than a predator.

00:53:30.560 How is anyone that abuses a child not a predator?

00:53:33.580 Why are we making that kind of distinction?

00:53:36.100 What?

00:53:36.960 Not just why is it necessary, how does it even make sense?

00:53:39.120 And the Mohammed Siab, two counts of rape, one count of sexual intercourse with a girl under 13 and one count of trafficking.

00:53:45.780 25 years, 12 months on license.

00:53:48.740 Justice Slater described Siab as a persistent and cruel sexual offender as he handed down the sentence.

00:53:53.500 Met with shock in the public gallery.

00:53:55.700 Siab, who heard his sentence through an Urdu interpreter...

00:53:58.120 I don't mean to laugh, but of course he did.

00:54:01.200 He's been here for 20-odd years.

00:54:03.880 Waved to his family as he was taken down.

00:54:05.640 One of his daughters shouted,

00:54:07.820 I love you, Dad, as he was led out of the dock.

00:54:09.920 So there's not just conspiracy science from the media here.

00:54:15.680 There's a reason these families have not dobbed in their own family members for doing this.

00:54:19.700 Failure of integration.

00:54:21.640 Yeah, quite.

00:54:23.420 I'm sure if we just...

00:54:23.920 We live in a hugely divided society.

00:54:27.460 Yeah, so the families don't care about victimised children because they're white English girls.

00:54:33.600 It's genuinely in-group, ethnic, religious, and familial preference,

00:54:38.280 which justifies the weaponisation of sexual assault against children because they're an out-group.

00:54:44.280 There's one more guy as well.

00:54:45.960 Abid Sadiq, 43, convicted of three counts of rape, one count of indecent assault,

00:54:50.940 sentenced to 24 years and 12 months license.

00:54:53.160 He was previously sentenced for rape and indecent assault convictions in 2019

00:54:57.460 by the same judge, who at the time described him as a cunning and determined sexual predator.

00:55:03.380 Slater found he had no reason to change his assessment and worsen the sentence.

00:55:07.780 Why are any of these men ever being allowed out of prison?

00:55:10.200 Why was he convicted of this in 2019 and yet somehow five years later he's still on the streets?

00:55:14.980 Well, why are none of these life sentences?

00:55:18.560 What?

00:55:19.340 Is there an idea that somehow they will be reformed?

00:55:23.160 Because of the industrial abuse of children?

00:55:26.500 Sorry, like two counts of rape.

00:55:28.940 Yeah, I'm sure that's the limit of what he did.

00:55:31.060 Yeah, quite.

00:55:32.240 So, yeah, it's interesting that they're not tried for things like human trafficking and...

00:55:37.260 Only one of them was.

00:55:38.200 Kidnapping.

00:55:38.740 Yeah, like, I mean, in the US, then it's typical to hit defendants with as many charges as possible.

00:55:45.720 I mean, especially if they want to get you, you know,

00:55:47.740 they will hit you with one after another after another,

00:55:50.200 and then you end up with a 400-year sentence, right?

00:55:52.400 I mean, you could absolutely throw the book at these people.

00:55:55.420 You could charge them with pretty much everything under the sun.

00:55:57.940 I mean, you could...

00:55:59.020 But they don't.

00:55:59.880 Yeah.

00:56:00.360 The judges have been advised to stretch the law every which way but loose

00:56:03.720 to convict people involved in the Southport protests.

00:56:06.020 Well, remember that the prisons are overcrowded.

00:56:09.980 You've got to think of the logistics of the thing.

00:56:11.880 Oh, yeah, we had to let people out like this in order to imprison grandmas for Facebook posts.

00:56:16.900 Now, I just wanted to draw attention to the very few politicians that actually spoke about this.

00:56:20.680 This trust responded to it, as did Suella Braverman,

00:56:23.300 because she actually cared about this issue and tried to do her best.

00:56:27.260 God bless her.

00:56:28.580 Charlie Peters also responded to Dan Hodges from The Mail on Sunday,

00:56:32.260 who just said,

00:56:33.580 I can't believe that no one else bothered to look into this.

00:56:36.460 Why don't we have an independent public inquiry into this?

00:56:39.180 And Charlie Peters said something rather interesting.

00:56:42.340 He said,

00:56:42.740 Charlie was the only reporter in court to hear one of the victims stand up and confront her abusers

00:57:06.940 20 years after they groomed and exploited her.

00:57:09.580 It was unbelievably powerful.

00:57:10.900 It will live with him forever.

00:57:11.700 But it was equally so depressing that no one else was sat in with me in the press gallery.

00:57:16.160 And I won't hold my breath for any change in this.

00:57:18.260 Neither will Charlie.

00:57:20.300 Because something was censored from that woman's address.

00:57:26.520 She had asked for some of the abusers to be deported.

00:57:30.560 Because two of the convicted rapists have Pakistani nationality,

00:57:34.860 and they could be removed from the country permanently.

00:57:38.000 So they wouldn't fill up our overcrowding prisons full of 10,000 foreign nationals.

00:57:43.660 She was forced to remove this request from her statement in court.

00:57:46.340 So Charlie's reporting here says,

00:57:47.400 Jimmy News has seen the original copy of the speech she intended to deliver,

00:57:50.620 which has several sections crossed out due to restrictions ordered by the judge,

00:57:53.860 who was granted sight of the statement before it was read out in court.

00:57:56.660 The censored conclusion reads,

00:57:58.620 I'd like to request that after sentencing and upon Rudy and Shoabe's release,

00:58:02.480 they should be deported back to Pakistan,

00:58:04.260 as this is where they originated from and came here to exploit children.

00:58:07.700 Thank you.

00:58:08.500 Rudy is Mohammed Ajar,

00:58:10.080 and Shoabe is Mohammed Saeed,

00:58:12.620 who got 14 and 25 years.

00:58:14.600 Respectively, Saeed was the one who needed the Urdu interpreter.

00:58:17.180 So, again, integration not high on his list.

00:58:20.440 I mean, she's been brave enough confronting her rapists and attackers and speaking in court,

00:58:27.320 but wouldn't it be amazing if she had left that in,

00:58:30.260 if she'd said it anyway,

00:58:32.100 and then the judge had been forced to, you know,

00:58:34.860 act against her for contempt of court, whatever.

00:58:37.160 Do you know what would have happened to the actual court,

00:58:39.100 the actual proceedings, though, you know?

00:58:40.980 Yes, that's...

00:58:41.660 Her testimony probably would have been thrown out for contempt of court,

00:58:44.720 meaning the evidence would have been withdrawn from them.

00:58:47.540 Which is madness,

00:58:48.840 because we don't have to have foreign rapists here,

00:58:51.040 and the judges are insistent on keeping the narrative

00:58:53.200 that for some reason they need to not only be allowed to stay in the country,

00:58:56.160 but eventually be let out to presumably do it again.

00:59:00.820 So, she says,

00:59:02.580 There's nothing to say they'll stop exploiting children.

00:59:05.340 We can deport them and let their own country deal with them.

00:59:07.620 The foreign office should absolutely give Pakistan full punishment

00:59:09.900 if they refuse to accept grooming gang rapists.

00:59:12.340 Those men need to be deported,

00:59:13.380 or Pakistan should have its visas restricted.

00:59:15.580 Barrister Matthew Bean was acting for the Crown,

00:59:17.840 and said,

00:59:18.460 Whether the abusers remain in this country or not

00:59:20.360 is up to the Home Office,

00:59:21.540 and that the decision should happen

00:59:22.740 regardless of what the victim should say one way or another.

00:59:25.620 Yeah, that's rather the problem, isn't it?

00:59:26.940 Yeah, I disagree with that entirely, actually.

00:59:28.500 I think the victim should have a say

00:59:29.500 in what happens to their persecutors.

00:59:31.160 Home Office spokesman said,

00:59:32.200 It would be inappropriate to comment on ongoing legal proceedings.

00:59:34.620 Yeah, because it looks really bad for you.

00:59:36.780 I'm just going to play one last little minute

00:59:38.480 of Charlie Peters summing up this story,

00:59:40.040 because he really puts in perspective

00:59:42.420 the legal mechanisms that render this entire situation

00:59:45.640 a choice by the government

00:59:47.820 to allow these people to languish here,

00:59:50.140 because they could just do it tomorrow if they wanted,

00:59:52.460 and they clearly don't.

00:59:53.540 The UK Borders Act,

00:59:59.640 any foreign national offender

01:00:01.000 serving a custodial sentence over 12 months

01:00:03.400 should be deported.

01:00:05.260 However, with the grooming gang scandal,

01:00:06.600 there have been several cases like this

01:00:07.880 where that has not happened.

01:00:09.820 The most notorious case is that of Kari Ralph in Rochdale.

01:00:13.760 He was sentenced to six years.

01:00:15.540 A decade later, he's still fighting deportation,

01:00:18.420 even though he's had his British nationality stripped

01:00:20.700 due to various ECHR and legal battles he's put on.

01:00:26.100 Now, I think this survivor fears the same

01:00:27.940 will happen again with her abusers.

01:00:30.000 That's why she wanted to say in court,

01:00:32.080 in open justice for everyone to hear,

01:00:34.760 thankfully we were there to hear it,

01:00:36.380 what she wanted to happen,

01:00:37.920 that she wanted those abusers to be out of the country.

01:00:41.140 She said that she had no confidence

01:00:42.660 that after those sentences are served,

01:00:44.920 and they'll serve half of them,

01:00:46.460 that they will be safe to be released into the community.

01:00:49.960 I should also add very quickly

01:00:51.640 that under the 2022 Nationality and Borders Act,

01:00:55.100 the government introduced a provision

01:00:56.560 that any country that refuses to accept

01:00:59.240 foreign national offenders being deported

01:01:00.980 should be and could be subject to visa penalties.

01:01:04.600 So the government could punish Pakistan and say,

01:01:06.960 if you don't accept these grooming gang abusers,

01:01:08.920 we won't let your workers come to this country.

01:01:11.220 Now, I understand, my sources tell me,

01:01:12.740 that the Foreign Office has consistently blocked

01:01:14.800 that power being used.

01:01:17.080 Suella Braverman last night told me

01:01:19.080 she wants that power to be used.

01:01:20.400 Lee Anderson has also told me

01:01:21.660 he wants that power to be used.

01:01:23.440 Laura Farris, the safeguarding minister,

01:01:25.140 told me in March she thought it would be sensible

01:01:26.920 for that power to be used.

01:01:28.660 The Home Office last night told me

01:01:30.000 it would not comment on individual cases.

01:01:32.940 That's just insanity.

01:01:34.580 Why would we deliberately choose to pay

01:01:36.420 for people, for child sexual abusers,

01:01:39.340 to be here when they don't have to be?

01:01:41.620 Well, under ECHR rulings,

01:01:43.680 they can claim a right to family life.

01:01:45.620 They can say that they'll be a threat

01:01:46.720 if they move back home.

01:01:47.920 These legal battles have succeeded,

01:01:49.340 but this survivor wanted to let it known

01:01:51.460 through sharing her statement with me

01:01:53.740 that she wants these abusers to be deported.

01:01:56.980 They're evil men, she said,

01:01:57.920 and they've got to be let out of the country.

01:01:59.940 So they can claim a right to family life

01:02:01.820 to stay in the country

01:02:02.940 while they destroy people's families

01:02:05.720 with their crimes.

01:02:07.080 And I just want to say,

01:02:08.020 well done to Charlie Peters for reporting on this.

01:02:09.760 Nobody else did.

01:02:13.260 Should we do a couple of the...

01:02:15.320 Yeah, well, we'll be quick.

01:02:18.100 Cassad Wen says,

01:02:19.460 grooming gangs are the epitome

01:02:20.340 of why the establishment are in too deep.

01:02:22.280 If the full truth of the English people's suffering

01:02:24.760 is ever acknowledged,

01:02:25.640 the ethnic outburst will be uncontrollable.

01:02:28.100 And I think that's the deep fear

01:02:30.140 that lurks in the back of their hearts,

01:02:31.960 in the back of their minds.

01:02:35.160 But it's also why they pay as little attention as possible.

01:02:38.640 Anyway, take it away, Charlie.

01:02:41.420 Thank you.

01:02:41.860 No, this is my first ever segment.

01:02:43.320 It's a real pleasure.

01:02:43.940 So I'm going to be talking about my essay

01:02:47.180 in Islander Issue 2,

01:02:50.640 The Headless Tyrant.

01:02:52.520 And basically, this is an essay

01:02:55.160 about the relationship between order

01:02:57.860 and power in modern society.

01:03:01.780 So there's a tradition in modern political philosophy

01:03:04.740 that sees the sovereign's main role

01:03:07.720 as being the guarantor of peace

01:03:09.900 and social order within his realm.

01:03:12.260 And this is best exemplified, I think,

01:03:15.960 in the English social contract edition

01:03:17.740 by Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan,

01:03:20.520 or the Matterform and Power of a Commonwealth

01:03:23.420 Ecclesiastical and Civil,

01:03:25.080 which Thomas Hobbes wrote and published in 1651.

01:03:27.940 Now, as Hobbes put it,

01:03:31.420 the agreement between sovereign and subjects

01:03:34.720 brings to an end the war of all against all,

01:03:38.900 the state of nature in which man exists by default,

01:03:41.900 a place where life is nasty, brutish, and short,

01:03:45.180 and any man can kill any other

01:03:47.320 if he chooses to do so.

01:03:50.000 So there's this tradition in political philosophy

01:03:53.720 that sovereignty rests on a monopoly over violence.

01:03:57.180 The state monopolises violence

01:03:58.940 and offers ordinary people peace and quiet

01:04:05.200 and the ability to go about their daily lives

01:04:07.420 without the threat of attack and murder, etc.

01:04:12.740 So Max Weber, for example,

01:04:15.300 in his famous definition of the state,

01:04:18.380 in his lecture,

01:04:20.220 Politics as a Vocation from 1919,

01:04:22.200 defines the state as

01:04:24.920 a human community that successfully claims

01:04:27.860 a monopoly of the legitimate use

01:04:29.780 of political force within a given territory.

01:04:32.340 So that's the classic sociological definition

01:04:34.700 of what the state is.

01:04:37.080 It is an organisation with a monopoly over force

01:04:40.100 within a given territory.

01:04:42.640 So I think broadly,

01:04:44.540 this is how we tend to think about the role of the state.

01:04:47.760 We've been thinking about the role of the state

01:04:49.380 for hundreds of years in these terms.

01:04:51.660 We think that it's something that exists

01:04:54.720 to ensure stability.

01:04:56.560 But actually, there's a much older tradition,

01:05:00.280 stretching right back to the ancient Greeks,

01:05:02.060 to Aristotle,

01:05:02.780 which sees the role of the sovereign,

01:05:06.280 of the ruler,

01:05:07.220 or of a particular kind of ruler,

01:05:09.780 as actually being ensuring disorder.

01:05:12.540 And really what the essay is about

01:05:15.040 is it's about the fact that actually,

01:05:17.940 I think this is a much more apposite way

01:05:20.920 to understand state power today

01:05:23.100 as a form of disorder,

01:05:26.120 as a form of ordered disorder,

01:05:27.640 I suppose, if you will.

01:05:29.480 So in Book 5, Chapter 11 of Aristotle's Politics,

01:05:33.900 which was written 2,300 years ago,

01:05:36.740 I think he provides really the most accurate definition

01:05:41.140 of what government and states are doing today

01:05:45.160 across the West, really.

01:05:48.260 He calls it tyranny.

01:05:50.580 And I think we probably should too.

01:05:53.080 I just want to add that that's not,

01:05:55.100 Aristotle wasn't in favour of this.

01:05:56.880 No.

01:05:57.500 No, this is, no, this is...

01:05:58.980 In Aristotle's well-run polis,

01:06:01.940 the state inculcated virtue into the citizens.

01:06:04.240 And so you didn't need a tyrant to control everything

01:06:06.980 because the people themselves would be good.

01:06:08.980 Of course, we live in the opposite of that now.

01:06:11.220 Exactly.

01:06:11.820 Exactly.

01:06:12.320 So, I mean, what Aristotle is doing with the politics is...

01:06:14.960 The politics is a descriptive project, really.

01:06:17.100 I mean, it's his lecture notes.

01:06:18.180 That's how we generally...

01:06:19.480 Well, you know what?

01:06:20.340 There is an argument that actually it's all normative,

01:06:22.720 but I won't get into it.

01:06:23.860 Yeah.

01:06:24.220 Yeah, no, there definitely are.

01:06:25.020 Find details of it.

01:06:25.920 But it's a...

01:06:28.080 So he's describing different kinds of government, basically.

01:06:30.900 And one of the forms of government is tyranny.

01:06:33.460 And he describes tyranny as the kind of counterpart

01:06:35.880 of a properly constituted monarchy.

01:06:38.080 So tyranny is that arbitrary power of an individual

01:06:41.020 who is responsible to no one,

01:06:43.060 governs all alike, whether equals or betters,

01:06:45.760 with a view to its own advantage,

01:06:47.480 not to that of its subjects,

01:06:48.880 and therefore against their will.

01:06:51.860 And Aristotle goes on to provide a long description

01:06:54.740 of the kind of things that tyrants do

01:06:58.420 in order to tyrannize their subjects,

01:07:02.320 to rule over their subjects unjustly

01:07:04.460 in order to maintain their own power.

01:07:06.600 So he says...

01:07:07.460 This is a fantastic description.

01:07:08.800 So I'll read this one at length.

01:07:10.600 So, again, this is just a description,

01:07:13.220 but it's actually framed in a kind of normative way

01:07:17.020 where Aristotle says,

01:07:17.900 look, if you're a tyrant,

01:07:18.820 this is what you should be doing,

01:07:20.080 because this is what good tyrants do.

01:07:22.160 The tyrant should lop off those who are too high.

01:07:25.740 He must put to death men of spirit.

01:07:27.700 He must not allow common meals, clubs, education, and the like.

01:07:31.820 He must be upon his guard against anything

01:07:33.720 which is likely to inspire either courage

01:07:35.740 or confidence among his subjects.

01:07:38.100 He must prohibit schools or other meetings for discussion.

01:07:40.960 And he must take every means to prevent people

01:07:43.120 from knowing one another,

01:07:44.380 for mutual acquaintance begets mutual confidence.

01:07:46.820 So Aristotle describes a variety of different ways

01:07:51.820 that tyrants maintain their power.

01:07:53.580 They prevent free association.

01:07:55.440 They surveil their subjects.

01:07:57.140 They keep an extensive network of informers.

01:08:00.180 This is sounding very relevant.

01:08:01.460 I know.

01:08:01.960 Very relevant.

01:08:02.960 It is.

01:08:03.240 Yeah, the kicker's coming.

01:08:04.360 Yeah.

01:08:04.660 They sow quarrels among their citizens.

01:08:06.620 They impoverish them with high taxes.

01:08:08.860 They make wars to distract them.

01:08:10.700 Aristotle also notes that tyrants prefer bad men

01:08:15.280 and like foreigners better than citizens

01:08:17.680 for the one are enemies,

01:08:19.080 but the others enter into no rivalry with him.

01:08:22.240 So I think, yeah,

01:08:24.140 I think we're starting to see perhaps

01:08:25.840 some of the similarities with the modern situation.

01:08:31.220 And you could easily be forgiven for thinking

01:08:33.680 that Western governments have been reading

01:08:36.160 Aristotle's politics and in particular this chapter.

01:08:38.780 Well, in particular, Keir Starmer

01:08:40.660 because he was guilty of,

01:08:41.840 I mean, within two months,

01:08:43.540 he's guilty of doing every single thing there.

01:08:46.180 It's actually kind of insane how he's speed running.

01:08:49.180 Yeah.

01:08:49.680 The persecution of every non-state school,

01:08:52.260 the collection of a patronage network of donors

01:08:56.020 that give him the sort of

01:08:57.140 car and harem syndrome of the Soviet Union.

01:08:59.280 The preferencing of foreign peoples.

01:09:01.460 The fact that he's currently trying to persuade Joe Biden

01:09:03.740 to launch missiles at Moscow.

01:09:05.460 The divide and conquer strategy

01:09:06.480 by calling anyone that is complaining

01:09:08.260 against your mass importing of foreigners far right.

01:09:11.180 The new budget that's going to come out

01:09:12.300 where your taxes are going up, I promise you.

01:09:13.920 The abolition of social circumstances

01:09:15.520 where you can sit outside the pub

01:09:16.600 and have a cigarette and a drink.

01:09:17.760 Exactly.

01:09:18.700 It's actually kind of crazy.

01:09:20.320 Yeah.

01:09:21.160 So, I mean, this ancient conception of tyranny

01:09:24.540 is obviously very relevant.

01:09:26.100 And there's a chap called Sam Francis

01:09:29.200 who gave the peculiar modern inflection of tyranny

01:09:34.260 a new name, anarcho-tyranny.

01:09:36.620 Now, he was writing in the 80s and 90s.

01:09:39.260 He was cancelled for speaking

01:09:41.240 at an American Renaissance conference,

01:09:43.700 I think, in the 90s.

01:09:45.940 And continued to write until his death

01:09:47.960 in about 2004, I think.

01:09:50.000 But he was generally held up

01:09:51.460 as a white nationalist and a racist

01:09:53.500 and all this sort of stuff.

01:09:54.600 But he wrote very, very persuasively

01:09:57.520 about the kinds of the little things

01:10:01.480 that America's rulers did and do, indeed,

01:10:05.060 to make the lives of ordinary law-abiding citizens

01:10:08.900 difficult and to allow criminals, basically,

01:10:11.740 unlimited license to do as they would.

01:10:15.380 And he called it anarcho-tyranny, as I say.

01:10:18.120 But actually, I'd quibble with calling it anarcho-tyranny.

01:10:20.780 I don't think you need to add anarcho-tyranny

01:10:23.000 to the name.

01:10:23.700 I think it's all there already

01:10:24.960 in the ancient definition of tyranny.

01:10:27.400 I think it's just tyranny.

01:10:28.940 Maybe.

01:10:29.620 But one could argue that a tyrannical society

01:10:33.460 doesn't necessarily have to have

01:10:35.000 an active criminal underclass.

01:10:36.700 No.

01:10:37.300 So I do think anarcho-tyranny

01:10:39.600 is a good distinguishing mechanism

01:10:41.400 to suggest that...

01:10:42.880 Sorry.

01:10:43.580 No, but that's what I was going to say, actually.

01:10:45.000 That is one of the things, I think,

01:10:46.920 that Aristotle doesn't really place emphasis on,

01:10:49.280 is crime in particular.

01:10:50.740 He describes so many recognisable things,

01:10:53.500 you know, as we've just noted.

01:10:54.200 He lives in quite homogenous states

01:10:55.680 that are actually quite well governed by standards.

01:10:58.840 Yes.

01:10:58.920 Yeah, exactly.

01:11:00.040 Exactly.

01:11:00.720 But, I mean, anarcho...

01:11:02.780 So here's Sam Francis describing

01:11:05.720 some of the new techniques

01:11:07.280 that he used to enforce anarcho-tyranny.

01:11:09.320 Exorbitant taxation,

01:11:11.180 bureaucratic regulation,

01:11:12.240 the invasion of privacy,

01:11:14.280 the engineering of social institutions

01:11:15.860 such as the family and local schools,

01:11:18.100 the imposition of thought control

01:11:19.480 through sensitivity training

01:11:20.720 and multiculturalist curricula,

01:11:23.020 hate crime laws,

01:11:23.980 gun control laws

01:11:24.800 that punish or disarm

01:11:25.760 otherwise law-abiding citizens

01:11:27.540 but have no impact

01:11:28.760 on violent criminals

01:11:29.560 who get guns illegally

01:11:30.580 and a vast labyrinth

01:11:32.340 of other measures.

01:11:33.600 Now, probably the most spectacular instance

01:11:36.820 of anarcho-tyranny,

01:11:38.680 I think, in modern America

01:11:39.800 of recent times

01:11:40.580 is, of course,

01:11:41.200 the summer of Floyd

01:11:42.280 and the mostly peaceful protests

01:11:45.080 of 2020.

01:11:46.860 So we need to remember

01:11:47.800 that these took place

01:11:50.080 during the COVID-19 pandemic

01:11:51.860 at a time when people

01:11:53.380 were confined to their homes,

01:11:54.640 were told, you know,

01:11:55.180 they couldn't go outside

01:11:56.120 because they would be spreading

01:11:57.140 a deadly virus.

01:11:58.840 And yet we had

01:11:59.660 the largest riots,

01:12:01.700 the largest social protests

01:12:02.960 in American history.

01:12:04.720 30 people died.

01:12:06.060 30 people died.

01:12:07.880 2 billion damage

01:12:08.760 as a modest estimate.

01:12:12.100 A modest estimate.

01:12:15.000 But really, I think

01:12:16.160 the key to understanding

01:12:17.520 these riots

01:12:19.160 is that they actually

01:12:20.020 benefited the regime.

01:12:21.040 Now, I know Donald Trump

01:12:21.860 was in power,

01:12:22.500 but actually...

01:12:23.500 Well, the regime...

01:12:25.260 Exactly.

01:12:26.480 Exists around...

01:12:27.800 Exactly.

01:12:28.320 The regime isn't

01:12:29.080 coextensive with the ruler

01:12:31.240 and certainly not

01:12:31.980 when someone like Donald Trump

01:12:33.060 is in power.

01:12:34.880 But they served the American

01:12:37.200 regime's purpose,

01:12:38.160 which was to demonise

01:12:39.120 Donald Trump

01:12:39.780 during an election year.

01:12:41.620 You know, you have a racist

01:12:42.460 president running for re-election.

01:12:44.280 And just create an instability

01:12:45.480 in his own governance.

01:12:47.180 Exactly.

01:12:48.080 Exactly.

01:12:49.000 And they also...

01:12:50.280 The other thing they did,

01:12:50.960 of course,

01:12:51.340 was they greased the skids

01:12:52.620 on the largest wealth transfer

01:12:55.600 in recent years,

01:12:57.100 as, you know,

01:12:59.020 this was Jim Cramer,

01:13:00.360 totally mainstream commentator

01:13:03.020 saying for CNBC,

01:13:04.580 you know,

01:13:04.760 this was one of the greatest

01:13:05.660 wealth transfers

01:13:06.520 in history.

01:13:08.280 And yeah,

01:13:09.240 it was...

01:13:09.840 People were kept inside.

01:13:11.100 Small businesses were shuttered

01:13:12.400 not only because of the pandemic,

01:13:13.660 but they were also

01:13:14.240 burned to the ground.

01:13:15.440 Who benefited?

01:13:16.700 Well, Amazon

01:13:17.520 and the big corporations

01:13:20.460 and their CEOs

01:13:21.760 who became...

01:13:22.720 Also like big supermarkets,

01:13:25.320 right?

01:13:25.720 You were forced to go

01:13:26.600 to Sainsbury's or Tesco's.

01:13:27.860 You couldn't go

01:13:28.240 to your local grocery store.

01:13:30.340 Things like that.

01:13:30.720 Yeah, exactly.

01:13:31.940 Exactly.

01:13:32.940 People forget just how crazy it was

01:13:34.800 and people don't...

01:13:35.440 People don't join the dots

01:13:37.560 and I think they should.

01:13:39.520 And this is a pattern

01:13:40.260 that we saw repeated

01:13:41.180 across the Western world.

01:13:42.480 So, you know,

01:13:43.760 our very own Keir Starmer,

01:13:45.440 our Prime Minister,

01:13:46.160 took the knee

01:13:46.820 in 2020 with...

01:13:49.620 God, he's such an NPC.

01:13:51.620 Just awful.

01:13:52.600 Dreadful.

01:13:52.780 He looks like the NPC meme

01:13:54.380 right there.

01:13:55.240 He does.

01:13:55.840 And we had

01:13:56.500 black activist groups

01:13:58.700 in paramilitary uniform

01:14:00.100 marching through London.

01:14:02.500 Which is illegal,

01:14:03.260 by the way.

01:14:03.800 Yeah.

01:14:04.100 You're not allowed to have...

01:14:04.720 In Britain,

01:14:05.060 you're not allowed

01:14:05.400 activist groups

01:14:05.980 with a uniform.

01:14:07.140 Yeah, since the 1930s

01:14:08.600 that was found,

01:14:09.200 wasn't it?

01:14:09.500 Unsurprisingly.

01:14:10.900 So,

01:14:11.460 we're starting to get

01:14:12.720 an idea then

01:14:13.420 about what anarcho-tyranny is,

01:14:15.060 this modern inflection

01:14:16.220 of tyranny.

01:14:17.540 But another way

01:14:18.520 to look at it,

01:14:19.100 actually, I think,

01:14:19.780 to understand its hold

01:14:21.340 on Western societies

01:14:22.580 is to look at a country

01:14:23.980 that actually punishes crime.

01:14:27.640 And that...

01:14:28.040 Yeah.

01:14:28.640 I can't even imagine

01:14:30.000 such a thing.

01:14:30.560 Imagine such a place.

01:14:31.680 Yeah, well,

01:14:32.700 such a place does exist.

01:14:34.020 It's called El Salvador

01:14:35.180 under its current president,

01:14:37.380 Nayib Bukele.

01:14:38.280 Maybe if we could just

01:14:39.100 scroll through the pictures

01:14:40.200 and show some of the...

01:14:41.460 some of the good work

01:14:42.840 that he's been doing.

01:14:43.720 That's CECOT,

01:14:44.480 the Centre for...

01:14:45.840 What's it?

01:14:46.920 Terrorist Confinement Centre,

01:14:48.300 which was built

01:14:49.160 to house tens of thousands

01:14:51.140 of gang members.

01:14:52.400 Yeah.

01:14:52.880 Bukele just said,

01:14:53.760 look, enough is enough.

01:14:55.220 We're going to declare

01:14:56.000 a national emergency.

01:14:57.280 We're going to arrest

01:14:58.300 all the gang members.

01:14:59.800 And the gang members

01:15:01.000 handily had tattoos

01:15:04.640 that allowed you

01:15:05.220 to identify them.

01:15:06.020 So anybody who has

01:15:06.760 MS-13 tattooed

01:15:07.980 on top of their head

01:15:08.860 is likely to be

01:15:10.340 a member of MS-13.

01:15:12.600 He's basically

01:15:13.020 constructed Arkham Asylum.

01:15:14.380 Yeah.

01:15:15.260 Yeah, he has.

01:15:16.120 Just to be clear as well,

01:15:17.360 I mean, El Salvador

01:15:18.320 was having thousands

01:15:19.380 of murders every year.

01:15:21.000 It was more dangerous

01:15:21.900 than a war zone.

01:15:22.700 Yes.

01:15:23.060 And to get into this gang,

01:15:25.680 you had to rape

01:15:26.240 or murder someone.

01:15:27.340 Yes.

01:15:27.960 Yeah, exactly.

01:15:28.640 So El Salvador

01:15:30.620 has gone from being

01:15:32.000 the most dangerous country,

01:15:33.900 or one of the most

01:15:34.520 dangerous countries

01:15:35.100 in the world,

01:15:35.580 to the least dangerous

01:15:36.900 country in the

01:15:37.420 Western Hemisphere.

01:15:38.480 Lower murder rate

01:15:39.400 than the US.

01:15:40.500 And that is the

01:15:41.580 love him or hate him.

01:15:43.380 That's a miracle.

01:15:44.680 It's a necessary thing.

01:15:46.420 This is the interesting

01:15:47.440 difference between

01:15:48.120 tyranny and anarcho-tyranny.

01:15:49.580 And I think it's interesting

01:15:50.440 that you rooted it in

01:15:51.640 the reference to

01:15:52.640 Thomas Hobbes at the start.

01:15:53.660 I think it's a very

01:15:54.340 Enlightenment philosophy.

01:15:55.800 And it's because

01:15:56.560 there's a tacit admission

01:15:57.760 by the ruling class

01:15:58.760 that weaponize foreigners

01:15:59.780 and criminals against

01:16:00.820 the law-abiding population

01:16:01.780 that actually the

01:16:02.980 blank slate anthropology

01:16:03.760 isn't necessarily true.

01:16:06.020 They're hoping that we

01:16:07.360 all get to a post-crime

01:16:08.520 multicultural utopia

01:16:09.360 where we all hold hands.

01:16:10.260 You have to recognize

01:16:11.100 there is a certain

01:16:11.740 criminal clientele class,

01:16:13.520 whether you bring it in

01:16:14.680 or allow it to

01:16:15.440 proliferate within the

01:16:16.260 borders,

01:16:16.700 that is distinct from

01:16:18.060 the way that the

01:16:18.760 majority of people live.

01:16:20.200 And so you let them

01:16:20.700 run free.

01:16:21.200 Whereas the K-Lay

01:16:22.540 who doesn't have those

01:16:23.700 priors baked in,

01:16:25.000 it's just like,

01:16:25.420 oh yeah,

01:16:25.980 I'll just lock up

01:16:26.460 all the criminals.

01:16:27.080 1% of the population

01:16:27.800 in prison?

01:16:28.420 Yeah,

01:16:28.700 cry harder as you

01:16:29.940 get more tattoos

01:16:30.780 but do no more

01:16:31.460 murders,

01:16:31.860 I guess.

01:16:32.320 And miraculously,

01:16:34.000 his civilization is

01:16:35.040 short on liberalism

01:16:36.120 but very good on

01:16:37.040 peace and prosperity.

01:16:38.880 And of course,

01:16:39.520 if you read something

01:16:40.220 like,

01:16:40.520 I mean,

01:16:40.660 I don't like

01:16:41.080 Steven Pinker,

01:16:42.100 but if you read

01:16:42.800 Steven Pinker's

01:16:43.600 The Better Angels

01:16:44.220 of Our Nature,

01:16:44.900 then he talks about

01:16:45.800 the fact that

01:16:46.220 actually Western

01:16:46.900 societies through

01:16:47.880 the Middle Ages,

01:16:49.520 every generation,

01:16:50.800 I think,

01:16:51.220 something like 1%

01:16:52.840 of the male population

01:16:53.900 was executed.

01:16:54.520 It might even have

01:16:55.040 been more than 1%

01:16:55.940 of the male population

01:16:56.700 was executed

01:16:57.820 in order to keep

01:16:59.880 the peace essentially.

01:17:00.960 And that's actually

01:17:02.460 the reason why.

01:17:03.520 I actually read

01:17:04.520 a couple of books

01:17:05.100 on the death penalty

01:17:05.840 because I found it

01:17:06.480 fascinating.

01:17:07.580 It wasn't that 1%

01:17:09.420 would be executed.

01:17:10.540 A lot of these

01:17:11.220 would be commuted.

01:17:13.080 The issue is actually war.

01:17:15.700 When we are at war,

01:17:17.780 murders go down

01:17:18.720 significantly.

01:17:19.680 And then when we're

01:17:20.160 not at war,

01:17:20.680 murders go up

01:17:21.220 significantly because

01:17:22.560 of course that sort

01:17:23.300 of, I guess,

01:17:23.960 warlike percentage

01:17:25.260 of the population

01:17:26.020 are shipped overseas

01:17:27.240 and possibly die

01:17:28.360 over there.

01:17:29.540 But it wasn't

01:17:30.440 quite what I'm saying.

01:17:30.900 It was actually

01:17:31.620 a lot of the time.

01:17:32.800 But it's still

01:17:32.980 a substantial...

01:17:33.800 It's not as substantial

01:17:35.840 as you would think,

01:17:36.740 actually.

01:17:37.300 I think it's more

01:17:37.840 the sort of...

01:17:39.120 Like Thomas Hobbes,

01:17:40.520 for him,

01:17:41.260 the Leviathan's

01:17:42.120 main function

01:17:42.860 was overroaring,

01:17:43.880 being the overroaring

01:17:44.600 power over society,

01:17:45.780 which would prevent

01:17:46.560 many things from

01:17:47.240 happening that otherwise

01:17:48.160 would have happened.

01:17:49.420 That seems to be

01:17:50.560 the same with

01:17:51.040 the death penalty.

01:17:52.600 But, I mean,

01:17:53.520 obviously,

01:17:54.160 it did also have

01:17:55.600 the effect of

01:17:56.200 taking out

01:17:56.940 the congenitally

01:17:58.420 violent laws.

01:18:01.020 Yeah, the ability

01:18:01.720 of the state

01:18:02.280 to wield

01:18:02.940 deadly power

01:18:04.280 against its citizens

01:18:05.240 did have

01:18:05.820 some effect,

01:18:06.900 at least.

01:18:07.200 Oh, yeah.

01:18:07.520 100%.

01:18:07.900 So what's

01:18:09.240 Bukele shown?

01:18:09.940 Well, Bukele has

01:18:10.620 shown that,

01:18:11.520 contrary to what

01:18:11.900 we're told in the West,

01:18:13.020 crime isn't simply

01:18:14.200 a fact of life.

01:18:15.060 It's not like rain.

01:18:16.460 It's not like the

01:18:17.040 weather and inconvenience

01:18:18.200 that nobody can really

01:18:19.000 do anything about.

01:18:19.880 You know, it's just

01:18:20.420 raining today.

01:18:21.880 Somebody got murdered.

01:18:22.760 Somebody got raped.

01:18:23.320 Crime is a choice.

01:18:24.360 Crime is a choice.

01:18:25.440 Yeah, it's a choice.

01:18:26.620 And the Western response

01:18:27.840 to Bukele is very,

01:18:28.980 very revealing indeed.

01:18:30.860 But he's making them

01:18:31.420 look bad.

01:18:32.080 He's making them

01:18:32.720 look very bad indeed.

01:18:33.760 And it's interesting

01:18:34.760 to note, you know,

01:18:35.520 these human rights

01:18:36.380 groups, newspapers,

01:18:38.160 media groups,

01:18:39.160 politicians who dare

01:18:40.340 to talk about Bukele

01:18:41.400 all emphasise, you know,

01:18:42.440 the human rights

01:18:43.200 of the gang members

01:18:45.060 being thrown

01:18:45.640 into this enormous prison.

01:18:47.400 But never the human rights

01:18:48.560 of their victims.

01:18:49.460 No, exactly never.

01:18:50.820 So it says, I mean,

01:18:51.980 that in itself as well

01:18:53.140 says something about

01:18:54.080 the concerns

01:18:54.880 of these groups

01:18:56.440 back home, you know,

01:18:58.980 with regard to their own

01:18:59.940 sort of native populations.

01:19:01.360 And it tells us,

01:19:02.080 of course, as well,

01:19:02.780 that it's not just

01:19:04.620 government

01:19:05.140 that is upholding

01:19:08.620 anarcho-tyranny

01:19:09.360 in the West.

01:19:09.860 It's also these institutions.

01:19:11.340 It's also newspapers.

01:19:12.160 It's the media complex,

01:19:14.340 you know, NGOs, etc.

01:19:16.380 You know, these are

01:19:16.840 essential organisations

01:19:18.240 for justifying

01:19:19.400 and upholding

01:19:20.520 anarcho-tyranny.

01:19:21.400 So I think we've established

01:19:23.960 that anarcho-tyranny exists.

01:19:27.240 But it does, as I say,

01:19:28.840 it has some unique inflections,

01:19:30.760 I think, from the ancient examples

01:19:33.160 that Aristotle gives,

01:19:35.000 some different emphases.

01:19:36.540 And in particular,

01:19:37.180 I think those emphases today

01:19:39.360 are crime and immigration.

01:19:40.560 So Aristotle does talk

01:19:43.620 about the fact, for instance,

01:19:44.780 that the tyrant

01:19:45.840 prefers foreigners.

01:19:47.820 But he could never

01:19:49.420 have conceived,

01:19:50.340 never have conceived

01:19:51.300 of a ruler

01:19:51.860 who would actively

01:19:52.840 go about replacing

01:19:53.860 his own,

01:19:54.500 the entirety of his own population.

01:19:56.380 No.

01:19:56.540 I mean, in Aristotle's conception,

01:19:58.020 it was assumed

01:19:58.440 that the tyrant

01:19:59.080 would have a bodyguard

01:20:00.040 of foreigners.

01:20:00.640 The tyrant would specifically

01:20:01.620 pay them to protect him

01:20:03.200 from his own native population

01:20:04.640 in order to keep him safe.

01:20:06.740 Yeah.

01:20:07.180 Like you say,

01:20:07.880 he would never have thought

01:20:09.120 that one of the

01:20:10.540 these tyrants would be like,

01:20:11.360 well, we can just

01:20:12.020 change the population.

01:20:14.500 Yeah.

01:20:15.260 Yeah.

01:20:15.560 It's crazy.

01:20:16.200 So there's obviously

01:20:17.980 something different

01:20:19.240 about anarcho-tyranny

01:20:20.360 from ancient tyranny.

01:20:23.040 And, you know,

01:20:24.060 so, I mean,

01:20:24.840 I think if you look

01:20:25.560 at the work

01:20:25.920 of Samuel Francis,

01:20:27.380 then he talks

01:20:28.460 about immigration,

01:20:29.280 but things weren't

01:20:30.240 quite as bad

01:20:30.820 in 1994

01:20:31.420 in the US

01:20:32.220 as they are in 2024,

01:20:33.340 and he died in 2005.

01:20:34.780 So, it needs

01:20:36.600 some updating.

01:20:38.000 But yes,

01:20:38.520 I mean,

01:20:38.700 if we want to see

01:20:39.520 this central axis

01:20:40.860 at work today,

01:20:42.800 then we need to look

01:20:43.800 no further

01:20:44.440 than the Southport

01:20:45.280 stabbings.

01:20:46.180 And Axel Rudipakana,

01:20:47.820 there he is,

01:20:48.400 looking angelic.

01:20:50.340 Still hasn't been

01:20:51.180 put on trial yet,

01:20:52.620 has he?

01:20:53.060 No, that's strange,

01:20:53.880 isn't it?

01:20:54.220 It's because it's

01:20:54.980 a Crown Court trial

01:20:56.380 rather than the

01:20:56.820 Magistrates Court,

01:20:58.420 so that's why

01:20:59.460 there's certain

01:20:59.740 restrictions around

01:21:00.420 the reporting.

01:21:01.720 I mean,

01:21:02.880 I don't think,

01:21:03.380 I don't really need

01:21:04.140 to rehearse

01:21:04.800 or re-rehearse

01:21:05.580 the circumstances

01:21:06.960 of the Southport

01:21:08.520 stabbings.

01:21:10.260 Needless to say,

01:21:11.000 I think it is a

01:21:11.660 very, very clear

01:21:12.500 example of the

01:21:13.560 way that,

01:21:14.280 well,

01:21:15.840 two-tier policing,

01:21:16.880 for example.

01:21:17.960 It's a civilisation.

01:21:18.820 It is weird,

01:21:19.940 though,

01:21:20.240 how we don't have

01:21:20.820 an updated photo.

01:21:22.140 Just weird

01:21:22.800 how they keep

01:21:23.700 using the one of him

01:21:24.340 as a small child

01:21:25.820 in primary school,

01:21:26.380 as if the system,

01:21:27.000 again,

01:21:27.220 let him down,

01:21:27.940 as if it's our fault

01:21:29.100 for incurring on

01:21:29.880 his human rights

01:21:30.640 that he goes

01:21:31.040 and murders

01:21:31.580 three girls

01:21:32.140 and stabs a bunch

01:21:32.700 more.

01:21:33.900 So we're getting

01:21:34.680 to the kind of

01:21:36.080 crux of what I say

01:21:37.880 in this essay,

01:21:38.580 which is that

01:21:39.620 actually,

01:21:40.880 who's in control?

01:21:41.980 That's the question

01:21:42.700 that I'm really asking.

01:21:43.980 That's why the essay

01:21:44.740 is called

01:21:45.140 The Headless Tyrant,

01:21:46.160 because tyranny

01:21:47.720 in the ancient sense

01:21:48.800 presupposes a tyrant,

01:21:50.440 a person,

01:21:51.140 a single person,

01:21:52.000 a periander of Corinth.

01:21:55.720 But anarcho-tyranny,

01:21:57.520 at least in modern

01:21:58.600 democracies,

01:21:59.300 isn't the product

01:22:00.360 of any single individual.

01:22:02.040 I think that's clear,

01:22:02.820 or even a single group.

01:22:04.580 So Sam Francis himself,

01:22:06.020 then he said

01:22:06.480 that anarcho-tyranny

01:22:07.360 is instead

01:22:08.200 the product

01:22:09.280 of the growth

01:22:09.780 of the managerial state,

01:22:11.240 bureaucracy,

01:22:12.080 legalism.

01:22:13.200 There's no plan

01:22:14.360 as such.

01:22:15.120 There are merely

01:22:15.520 incentives

01:22:16.140 within our power structures

01:22:17.500 that drive government

01:22:18.700 in the direction

01:22:19.880 of tyrannising

01:22:20.740 its own citizens,

01:22:22.400 including the kind

01:22:24.900 of levelling

01:22:25.560 and base

01:22:26.240 numerical tendencies

01:22:27.340 of democratic politics

01:22:28.460 itself,

01:22:29.240 you know,

01:22:29.480 where you just see,

01:22:31.200 you end up seeing

01:22:31.920 people as beans

01:22:32.760 to be moved on earth.

01:22:33.940 Oh yeah.

01:22:34.860 So, I mean,

01:22:36.020 this is,

01:22:36.460 I think this is in line

01:22:37.780 actually with

01:22:38.460 the more sophisticated

01:22:39.380 thinking about

01:22:40.500 the Great Replacement,

01:22:41.620 Renaud Camus,

01:22:42.680 for example,

01:22:43.280 you know,

01:22:43.560 contrary to what

01:22:44.540 a lot of people

01:22:45.620 say about him,

01:22:46.420 then he's never said

01:22:47.380 that the Great Replacement

01:22:48.300 is a conspiracy.

01:22:49.680 He's never said

01:22:50.360 that it's a conspiracy

01:22:51.180 by some particular group

01:22:52.620 against others.

01:22:53.320 What he's actually said

01:22:54.300 is just that

01:22:55.600 a particular mindset

01:22:57.520 has come to dominate

01:22:58.600 government in the West,

01:23:00.140 institutions in the West,

01:23:01.180 which he calls replacism.

01:23:03.520 And that's basically

01:23:05.140 just the belief

01:23:05.860 that human beings

01:23:06.980 are interchangeable.

01:23:08.000 You know,

01:23:08.120 the native population

01:23:08.960 of France is interchangeable.

01:23:10.480 It's the natural

01:23:11.140 core view of liberalism.

01:23:13.180 Yeah.

01:23:13.660 Yeah.

01:23:14.160 The more liberal we become,

01:23:15.660 the more this

01:23:16.480 becomes the doctrine.

01:23:17.960 Yeah.

01:23:18.200 And so actually,

01:23:20.000 really,

01:23:21.200 the Great Replacement

01:23:21.880 is a product

01:23:22.540 of the growth

01:23:23.380 of democracy,

01:23:24.740 industry,

01:23:25.420 mass education,

01:23:26.380 mass entertainment.

01:23:27.400 It's not some group

01:23:28.620 of shadowy figures

01:23:29.440 sitting in a room

01:23:31.320 conspiring to get rid

01:23:32.900 of the native French.

01:23:33.920 It's actually

01:23:34.380 a much more complicated

01:23:36.040 process than that.

01:23:37.700 So,

01:23:38.900 I mean,

01:23:39.380 I think it's

01:23:40.020 more important

01:23:41.520 to understand

01:23:42.360 modern tyranny

01:23:43.800 as a kind of system

01:23:45.580 that abides by it,

01:23:47.240 fulfills a certain

01:23:48.040 logic.

01:23:49.000 It's not a procession

01:23:50.380 of individual tyrants

01:23:51.620 satisfying their

01:23:52.520 personal whim.

01:23:53.360 It would be so much

01:23:54.260 easier to deal with

01:23:55.020 if it was.

01:23:55.800 Exactly.

01:23:56.420 And that is,

01:23:56.960 that is,

01:23:57.940 that is my fundamental

01:23:58.960 point,

01:23:59.800 I think,

01:24:00.160 with this essay.

01:24:01.680 And this helps us

01:24:02.600 to grasp,

01:24:03.200 I think,

01:24:03.600 some unsettling truths,

01:24:04.960 like,

01:24:05.320 for instance,

01:24:05.800 the ease with which

01:24:07.020 the Conservative Party

01:24:08.600 was able to pick up

01:24:09.760 the mass immigration

01:24:11.560 policies

01:24:12.640 of the new Labour

01:24:14.740 governments of

01:24:15.940 Tony Blair and

01:24:16.660 Gordon Brown

01:24:17.080 and just run with

01:24:17.760 them.

01:24:18.140 You know,

01:24:18.280 I mean,

01:24:18.620 that should not

01:24:19.440 have happened.

01:24:20.240 The Cameronite wing

01:24:21.500 won the Conservative

01:24:23.080 Leverage Party.

01:24:23.560 Yeah.

01:24:25.040 So,

01:24:25.780 you know,

01:24:26.220 opposite parties

01:24:26.940 replace each other

01:24:27.740 and continue the

01:24:28.740 same policies.

01:24:29.900 And that's what we

01:24:30.460 see in,

01:24:31.600 across the Western

01:24:32.600 world,

01:24:33.080 you know.

01:24:33.300 even the people

01:24:35.460 in charge

01:24:36.200 are interchangeable

01:24:37.520 and replaceable.

01:24:38.640 But what matters

01:24:39.340 is that they follow

01:24:40.020 the incentives

01:24:40.580 of the system

01:24:41.240 and meet its needs.

01:24:42.980 That's the fundamental

01:24:43.740 thing that matters.

01:24:44.800 So,

01:24:45.020 really,

01:24:45.340 what we're dealing

01:24:45.940 with is,

01:24:46.420 we're dealing

01:24:46.760 with,

01:24:47.000 I suppose,

01:24:47.360 an example

01:24:47.820 of the management

01:24:49.920 heuristic.

01:24:51.120 The purpose of a

01:24:52.020 system is what it

01:24:52.860 does.

01:24:53.260 You know,

01:24:53.380 it's better to look

01:24:54.180 at the way

01:24:56.060 that a system,

01:24:56.880 the outcomes of a

01:24:57.840 system rather than

01:24:58.800 the people involved

01:25:00.440 with it.

01:25:01.700 You know,

01:25:02.280 so it's not,

01:25:03.020 it's not about

01:25:03.720 whether the

01:25:04.180 conservatives are

01:25:05.360 in charge or

01:25:05.940 New Labour is in

01:25:06.780 charge or even

01:25:07.460 reform are in

01:25:08.180 charge.

01:25:08.720 The blob still

01:25:09.800 exists.

01:25:10.680 Yes,

01:25:11.020 it's a blob

01:25:12.060 and it's,

01:25:12.720 and it's,

01:25:13.980 and it has its

01:25:14.820 own,

01:25:15.900 the blob isn't a

01:25:16.700 person,

01:25:17.020 the blob isn't an

01:25:17.880 organism and yet

01:25:18.960 it has its own

01:25:19.840 intentions that are

01:25:21.100 nevertheless

01:25:21.720 separate and

01:25:23.280 distinct from

01:25:25.220 those of the

01:25:25.860 people who are

01:25:26.420 sort of caught up

01:25:27.260 inside it in its

01:25:28.060 guts.

01:25:30.000 Which isn't to say

01:25:31.020 that there aren't

01:25:31.500 odious people at

01:25:32.800 work in.

01:25:33.360 Oh,

01:25:33.540 I imagine it's

01:25:34.140 full of odious

01:25:34.800 people,

01:25:35.300 but it will be

01:25:36.180 full of odious

01:25:37.020 people the next

01:25:38.140 time there's any

01:25:38.880 kind of changing

01:25:39.400 of the guard and

01:25:40.240 whatnot.

01:25:40.820 So,

01:25:41.140 you know,

01:25:41.380 we,

01:25:41.620 I mean,

01:25:42.060 we talked,

01:25:42.860 we talked about

01:25:43.720 the origins of

01:25:45.800 the New Labour

01:25:46.220 policy of mass

01:25:47.240 immigration,

01:25:48.080 the admission by

01:25:48.760 Andrew Nether,

01:25:49.500 for example,

01:25:50.140 in 2009 that

01:25:51.520 mass immigration

01:25:52.780 policy was brought

01:25:54.300 in by New Labour

01:25:55.100 to rub the

01:25:56.000 rights nose in

01:25:56.640 diversity,

01:25:57.420 to change the

01:25:58.340 demographics of

01:25:59.140 the nation.

01:25:59.520 I mean,

01:25:59.880 that was a

01:26:01.420 deliberate policy

01:26:02.280 and,

01:26:03.020 you know,

01:26:03.180 the people who

01:26:03.740 deliberately chose

01:26:05.020 to do that are

01:26:06.640 odious.

01:26:07.160 They deserve our

01:26:08.120 scorn and they

01:26:10.980 deserve to be held

01:26:11.760 responsible.

01:26:14.080 But nevertheless,

01:26:15.680 you know,

01:26:18.120 people are waking

01:26:18.700 up to the fact

01:26:19.540 that government

01:26:21.220 is at war with

01:26:21.960 them now.

01:26:23.480 It's clear,

01:26:24.160 people are...

01:26:24.920 We're running

01:26:25.620 out of time,

01:26:25.940 so we're going

01:26:26.140 to have to end

01:26:26.460 it there,

01:26:26.700 but that is

01:26:27.060 precisely the

01:26:28.220 theme of the

01:26:28.920 entire issue.

01:26:31.700 We've clearly

01:26:32.340 passed the limit.

01:26:34.080 I mean,

01:26:34.620 don't get me wrong,

01:26:35.400 Charlie's essay is

01:26:36.300 amazing,

01:26:36.940 and you should

01:26:37.200 definitely get

01:26:37.620 Islander to read

01:26:38.460 it in its full.

01:26:39.720 But that exactly

01:26:40.700 hits on the point,

01:26:41.400 doesn't it?

01:26:41.680 We've passed the

01:26:42.380 threshold at this

01:26:43.000 point.

01:26:43.780 We're going into

01:26:44.800 new undiscovered

01:26:45.980 territory,

01:26:46.460 which again,

01:26:46.840 aesthetically just

01:26:47.660 is perfectly

01:26:48.280 represented by

01:26:49.020 Rory.

01:26:50.300 Superb.

01:26:50.740 Go and get it.

01:26:51.280 Honestly,

01:26:51.600 it's really good.

01:26:52.640 Right.

01:26:53.420 Do we have any

01:26:54.020 video comments to do?

01:26:54.920 Unfortunately,

01:26:55.400 I don't think

01:26:55.680 we can have

01:26:55.960 time for video

01:26:56.700 comments.

01:26:57.800 Okay,

01:26:58.220 alright,

01:26:58.520 I suppose we

01:26:58.860 can do a

01:26:59.100 couple written

01:26:59.800 ones for five

01:27:00.560 minutes.

01:27:00.740 Yeah,

01:27:00.920 we'll do a

01:27:01.440 couple of

01:27:01.760 comments.

01:27:03.900 George says,

01:27:04.800 no way,

01:27:05.280 I can't believe

01:27:05.760 Nigel would

01:27:06.140 abandon his

01:27:06.660 responsibilities.

01:27:07.360 Again,

01:27:07.640 he's only

01:27:07.960 abandoned Brexit

01:27:08.720 to the Tories,

01:27:09.420 UKIP,

01:27:09.680 the Brexit

01:27:09.940 Party reform,

01:27:10.880 and demonized

01:27:11.360 people on his

01:27:11.800 side.

01:27:12.020 He's certainly

01:27:12.340 not a pattern

01:27:12.800 of behavior.

01:27:13.600 Yeah,

01:27:13.800 it is a

01:27:14.360 persistent

01:27:14.920 problem that

01:27:15.980 people who

01:27:16.820 know Nigel

01:27:17.340 Farage

01:27:17.580 personally have

01:27:18.200 told me that

01:27:19.000 they're going

01:27:20.140 to keep coming

01:27:20.780 up against.

01:27:21.780 Afraid

01:27:24.920 I'm just,

01:27:26.400 like,

01:27:26.880 imperialism

01:27:27.520 would be good

01:27:27.940 for Haiti,

01:27:28.780 and if that

01:27:29.580 meant,

01:27:30.000 you know,

01:27:30.240 the British

01:27:30.520 state sends

01:27:31.460 a couple of

01:27:31.840 gunships over

01:27:32.480 and a shipment

01:27:33.820 of Frey

01:27:34.100 Bantos pies,

01:27:35.060 that would

01:27:35.340 make them

01:27:35.580 very happy,

01:27:36.420 and we

01:27:36.600 would have

01:27:36.780 done,

01:27:37.380 the net

01:27:37.900 good for

01:27:38.380 humanity

01:27:38.780 would have

01:27:39.140 risen in

01:27:40.140 the world.

01:27:40.880 You know,

01:27:41.120 the Joker

01:27:42.020 at the end

01:27:42.480 of Batman

01:27:42.800 89 is still

01:27:43.560 laughing because

01:27:44.060 he's got that

01:27:44.240 little talking

01:27:45.260 button in his

01:27:45.860 pocket,

01:27:46.740 yeah?

01:27:47.000 You're going

01:27:47.200 to have to

01:27:47.400 attach one

01:27:47.880 that's making

01:27:48.220 meowing sounds

01:27:48.940 for every tin

01:27:49.420 of Frey

01:27:49.780 Bantos to

01:27:50.180 convince them

01:27:50.500 to start eating

01:27:54.920 but they say

01:27:56.720 very disappointed

01:27:57.880 with Farage,

01:27:58.540 civ-nattery

01:27:59.120 cannot be

01:27:59.460 tolerated.

01:28:00.340 This is another

01:28:00.840 thing,

01:28:02.140 just like the

01:28:02.660 question of

01:28:03.320 values,

01:28:04.440 civic nationalism,

01:28:05.180 I think I might

01:28:05.940 write some of

01:28:06.320 this because,

01:28:06.720 again,

01:28:07.500 there is no

01:28:08.240 such thing,

01:28:09.420 all nationalism

01:28:10.200 is based on

01:28:10.820 the nation,

01:28:11.640 you are just

01:28:12.060 trying to

01:28:12.400 identify one

01:28:13.120 layer of it,

01:28:14.020 which is the

01:28:14.440 civic layer,

01:28:15.420 but,

01:28:15.680 okay,

01:28:15.920 well,

01:28:16.460 what is it

01:28:17.640 you want to

01:28:18.020 be,

01:28:18.280 oh,

01:28:18.440 I want to

01:28:18.660 be a

01:28:18.920 French civic

01:28:19.680 nationalist,

01:28:20.180 but why

01:28:20.420 did you have

01:28:20.820 to preface

01:28:21.700 it with

01:28:21.960 French?

01:28:22.840 Because you

01:28:23.540 have to appeal

01:28:24.660 to the

01:28:24.880 ethnic

01:28:25.060 group,

01:28:25.380 again,

01:28:26.100 you just

01:28:26.700 can't,

01:28:27.180 it's like

01:28:27.640 Bernard Williams

01:28:29.260 discussing the

01:28:29.920 soul,

01:28:30.280 it's like,

01:28:30.500 well,

01:28:30.600 who's soul?

01:28:31.260 Oh,

01:28:31.420 Mike's soul,

01:28:32.020 right,

01:28:32.240 so it comes

01:28:32.640 after the

01:28:33.060 person,

01:28:33.760 right,

01:28:34.060 you know,

01:28:34.660 you identify

01:28:35.540 the soul

01:28:35.980 by identifying

01:28:36.560 the corporeal

01:28:37.580 body,

01:28:38.320 so,

01:28:38.840 you know,

01:28:39.500 whatever,

01:28:40.440 I'm not

01:28:40.680 getting into

01:28:41.160 a theological

01:28:41.500 discussion,

01:28:42.000 what I mean

01:28:42.280 is,

01:28:42.840 we have to

01:28:43.920 conceive of

01:28:44.500 these things

01:28:44.960 as in some

01:28:45.520 way embodied,

01:28:46.600 and civic

01:28:47.020 nationalism

01:28:47.360 is very much

01:28:47.980 the same

01:28:48.320 thing.

01:28:48.700 Civic

01:28:49.080 nationalism

01:28:49.440 does have

01:28:49.920 a weird

01:28:50.220 sort of

01:28:50.480 gnostic

01:28:50.720 dualism

01:28:51.240 when it

01:28:51.480 comes to

01:28:51.820 ethnicity

01:28:52.180 and identity,

01:28:53.280 because it

01:28:53.760 wants to be

01:28:54.340 purely self-associative

01:28:55.460 to avoid the

01:28:56.200 trappings of

01:28:56.780 racial essentialism

01:28:57.600 from the Nazis,

01:28:58.920 but then it

01:28:59.720 doesn't acknowledge

01:29:00.580 how an

01:29:01.320 involuntary

01:29:01.880 element like

01:29:02.640 ethnicity and

01:29:03.140 heritage will

01:29:04.020 influence whether

01:29:04.620 or not you

01:29:04.960 buy into a

01:29:05.760 given culture,

01:29:06.720 which everyone

01:29:07.520 except basically

01:29:08.680 white Europeans

01:29:09.240 who are very

01:29:09.560 individualistic does

01:29:11.040 still have.

01:29:11.580 Well,

01:29:11.920 not even

01:29:12.180 northern Europeans

01:29:14.060 who are like

01:29:14.680 this,

01:29:15.040 most other

01:29:15.800 Europeans aren't

01:29:16.300 actually like

01:29:16.820 this,

01:29:17.300 but even then,

01:29:17.860 if you want to,

01:29:18.760 you just can't

01:29:19.480 refer to it

01:29:19.980 without the

01:29:20.400 ethnicity,

01:29:20.880 so you're

01:29:21.160 not a

01:29:22.020 civic

01:29:22.240 nationalist,

01:29:22.760 you are

01:29:22.980 still an

01:29:23.400 ethnic

01:29:23.640 nationalist

01:29:24.060 in the

01:29:25.140 very nature

01:29:25.580 of your

01:29:25.940 description

01:29:26.300 of the

01:29:26.540 thing.

01:29:27.140 So I

01:29:27.580 will write

01:29:28.100 something on

01:29:28.400 it at some

01:29:28.660 point.

01:29:29.400 Paul says,

01:29:30.060 Farage is

01:29:30.400 afraid to do

01:29:30.860 what needs

01:29:31.120 to be done,

01:29:31.520 we need

01:29:31.720 politicians

01:29:32.140 while running

01:29:32.600 scared of

01:29:32.980 the mainstream

01:29:33.360 consensus,

01:29:34.160 which is

01:29:34.740 precisely how

01:29:35.920 Farage got

01:29:36.500 anywhere in

01:29:37.340 his entire

01:29:37.740 career.

01:29:38.400 His entire

01:29:38.960 career has

01:29:39.500 been successfully

01:29:40.280 opposing the

01:29:41.080 mainstream

01:29:41.360 consensus,

01:29:42.360 and it's so

01:29:42.920 strange how

01:29:43.480 he's kind

01:29:44.080 of become

01:29:45.840 supine at

01:29:47.180 this point,

01:29:47.620 which is very

01:29:48.480 weird,

01:29:48.900 because,

01:29:49.060 again,

01:29:50.160 as a

01:29:50.480 character,

01:29:51.320 he's not

01:29:51.680 normally like

01:29:52.480 that.

01:29:54.900 God's Own

01:29:55.500 Prototype says,

01:29:56.360 Remember that a

01:29:56.880 liberal justice

01:29:57.420 system only

01:29:58.320 imposes half

01:29:59.100 the sentences

01:29:59.760 that they're

01:30:00.940 given on

01:30:01.240 paper,

01:30:02.260 which I do

01:30:03.440 find very

01:30:03.820 frustrating.

01:30:05.720 And Charles

01:30:06.680 says,

01:30:07.420 Doesn't

01:30:07.680 Machiavelli

01:30:08.160 observe that

01:30:08.640 the best way

01:30:09.020 to establish

01:30:09.420 tyranny is to

01:30:10.060 do what the

01:30:10.340 people want

01:30:10.780 until they get

01:30:11.300 used to your

01:30:11.720 exercising

01:30:12.160 arbitrary

01:30:12.600 power?

01:30:14.020 He might,

01:30:14.840 I'd have to

01:30:15.200 go and

01:30:15.400 recheck.

01:30:17.180 California

01:30:17.700 Refugee says,

01:30:19.060 The kind of

01:30:19.400 tyranny we have

01:30:19.920 now is interesting

01:30:20.560 because our

01:30:20.820 politicians allow

01:30:21.820 foreign forces to

01:30:22.720 literally invade and

01:30:23.400 take over whole

01:30:23.920 towns.

01:30:24.680 In fact,

01:30:25.040 they'll facilitate

01:30:25.680 that in the

01:30:26.500 case of

01:30:27.020 Springfield,

01:30:27.660 Ohio,

01:30:28.120 or various

01:30:28.780 places in

01:30:29.200 Britain.

01:30:29.840 This is

01:30:30.260 something that's

01:30:30.660 gone on in

01:30:31.040 California for

01:30:31.600 ages with

01:30:32.120 cartels.

01:30:33.060 Only recently,

01:30:33.700 like in

01:30:33.980 Colorado,

01:30:34.460 is anyone

01:30:34.740 feeling,

01:30:35.280 anyone else

01:30:35.720 feeling these

01:30:36.180 issues.

01:30:36.860 Same with the

01:30:37.240 UK and

01:30:37.640 caliphate towns

01:30:38.300 run by foreign

01:30:38.800 forces.

01:30:39.300 Also,

01:30:39.540 remember,

01:30:40.100 the summer of

01:30:40.540 lud that

01:30:40.860 radicals set up

01:30:41.760 the Chas and

01:30:42.360 became separatists,

01:30:43.640 but it's okay

01:30:44.120 when they do it,

01:30:45.040 just not when the

01:30:49.060 outro us.

01:30:49.980 Carrier Regan in

01:30:51.180 our audience has

01:30:52.200 said,

01:30:52.620 I'm struggling to

01:30:53.180 keep up with you

01:30:53.660 this week,

01:30:54.120 gents,

01:30:54.560 as I got married

01:30:55.120 on Saturday,

01:30:55.960 and offers to

01:30:56.900 send us some

01:30:57.600 gin,

01:30:58.060 as she has done

01:30:58.620 before.

01:30:59.020 I just wanted to

01:30:59.360 read that out and

01:30:59.760 say congratulations.

01:31:00.700 It's always good to

01:31:02.120 hear people starting

01:31:02.740 families and the

01:31:03.400 like.

01:31:03.580 That's the actual

01:31:03.920 practicals of this.

01:31:04.820 Politics is very

01:31:05.480 up in the air,

01:31:06.100 but as long as

01:31:06.540 you have a stable

01:31:07.300 home life and

01:31:07.800 you're practicing

01:31:08.140 your values,

01:31:08.700 it's fantastic.

01:31:09.680 Brilliant.

01:31:10.160 Anyway,

01:31:10.760 cheers for coming

01:31:11.080 back in,

01:31:11.560 Charlie.

01:31:11.680 It was a pleasure.

01:31:12.440 Thank you.

01:31:12.940 Follow him down in

01:31:14.040 the description.

01:31:14.820 There's also a

01:31:15.240 Man's World link

01:31:15.740 down there after

01:31:16.460 you pick up

01:31:16.780 Islander,

01:31:17.220 of course.

01:31:17.860 Keep your

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01:31:18.660 growing.

01:31:19.600 I will be back

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01:31:22.540 If you aren't

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01:31:28.580 Take care and

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