The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1013

00:00:00.000 hello everyone welcome to the podcast of the lotus seaters today is the 2nd of october 2024

00:00:16.340 and this is podcast number 1013 that's quite a lot and today i'm joined by bo and by lewis

00:00:24.680 hello so we are going to discuss how europe is at a crossroads they've lost their mind the debate

00:00:32.140 between jade events and tim waltz and why people don't want to fight for their country anymore

00:00:37.180 but before we say more about this at 3 p.m we have a new tomlinson talks and connor is talking about

00:00:45.220 the reform party conference and he's talking with matt goodwin charlie downs and more people so

00:00:50.900 definitely watch this and find out what he has to say about it now lewis do you want to tell us a

00:00:57.980 bit where people can find you yeah sure so i'm on x the famous x formerly known as twitter you can

00:01:05.980 find me lewis underscore brackpool i usually just post yeah i post quite a lot actually i gotta get

00:01:11.700 off of it a bit too much but um yeah i post usually on there i'm on youtube under the name lewis

00:01:16.860 brackpool telegram and instagram i'm very active on as well and i think that one of the good things

00:01:23.820 i see is that you don't have a hundred or two hundred thousand posts no some some accounts have

00:01:29.860 and you just lose complete no i'm not an engagement farmer what is what is happening so yeah and you've

00:01:35.740 been with us many times and always always good stuff oh thanks dude thank you right so europe is at

00:01:42.840 crossroads and it's better if we understand it very soon and even better if our leaders understand

00:01:49.200 it very very soon because multiculturalism is failing us the not the idea of humanitarianism in

00:01:55.280 europe and the focus on human rights seems to be only geared to focus on the human rights of criminals

00:02:02.940 and anyone else but europeans we are going to talk about several countries and what is going on and

00:02:11.780 also how the european leadership is completely giving us mixed signals and is completely at a loss with

00:02:19.040 the issue of illegal migration we had some very unfortunate uh tragedies in france these last few

00:02:29.180 days we have a 17 year old french boxing boxing champion that was stabbed to death outside a nightclub

00:02:36.140 and uh people are saying that most probably it was an algerian migrant who did it there were

00:02:43.920 two groups of people exiting the club and they had a fight and that led to this stabbing to death

00:02:51.100 of the 70 year old french boxing champion it's i mean people fighting clubs but fighting to the degree

00:03:01.280 where they stab each other to death i don't know it's just something's not going wrong it's getting

00:03:06.500 out of control it's weird though because matthew wright said that uh a migrant chased after him to give

00:03:12.500 him a tenner back that he dropped out of his pocket oh i did so yeah there's nothing to worry about

00:03:17.060 maybe so let's open the borders unshakable logic there yeah but there was another tragic thing

00:03:24.140 there was the death of 19 year old philippine who was raped and murdered by an illegal moroccan migrant

00:03:31.280 who was already convicted for for for rape and was released only five years ago so he raped someone

00:03:40.300 back on the streets within five years yes so we have here just uh moroccan illegal migrant there was a

00:03:46.420 deportation order for him but it expired and as you'll see deportation orders now have the habit of

00:03:52.440 functioning like milk or yogurt they have an expiry date and when they expired it's no biggie no one

00:03:57.720 does anything about it so it's a way of not doing anything legally speaking about problems

00:04:04.020 here we have this article it says about the moroccan man who was arrested over the alleged murder of a

00:04:11.660 19 year old university student in paris and was ordered to leave france after serving a sentence for

00:04:17.300 rape but wasn't didn't leave and they said that for instance

00:04:21.620 what happened was that in 2019 he raped and he was convicted in 2021 he was released in early september

00:04:34.200 about a month ago on the condition that he was going to report to the authorities

00:04:40.120 i think that these are tremendously relaxed measures but he couldn't live up to even those

00:04:48.640 measures so he didn't do this and they didn't do anything about it and this has caused caused massive

00:04:55.660 outrage and sorrow in france and we see the usual cycle of statements about the incidents and we have

00:05:04.180 here even people from from both left and right expressing their sorrow about it so we have here

00:05:10.600 living alongside human bombs philippines life was stolen from her by a moroccan migrant who was under

00:05:16.560 a removal order jordan bardella the leader of the uh the front of the national front the largest single

00:05:24.380 party in parliament wrote on x on tuesday and he said our sister a justice system is lax our state is

00:05:31.000 dysfunctional and our leaders are letting the french live alongside human bombs it's time for the

00:05:36.960 government to act our compatriots are angry and will not mince word but we also have francois

00:05:41.960 who was from the socialist and the former president who said that he expressed frustration and said that

00:05:48.900 deportation orders have to be enforced quickly oh he's frustrated yeah he's frustrated holand has got

00:05:56.460 the ump now is he yeah oh dearie me bit late mate yeah yeah i didn't do anything when it was his watch

00:06:04.680 his watch but we allowed france to be flooded by moroccans and algerians and stuff on his watch but now

00:06:10.820 but now he's annoyed an even more infuriating statement we have marie laure basilian who says

00:06:18.840 who's an expert in public law and told afp that french authorities were issuing too many oqtf we are

00:06:26.800 seeing an increase in the number of removal orders issued against people who we know from the start

00:06:32.360 cannot return to their country of origin of transit i think that this is stunning hypocrisy and people

00:06:39.840 need to wake up to with respect to what this means this is one of the issues that you can't send people

00:06:46.920 back because the regime there is got human rights issues that i think is one argument one hurdle

00:06:53.080 we need to absolutely get over that no you can send them back no that's on them they're responsible

00:06:58.820 for their crime if you if you have to send them back to a country which may then imprison them again

00:07:03.280 or even torture them or something that's on that regime and that person that's not our responsibility

00:07:08.780 though like the moroccan government might do something very draconian to him don't care

00:07:15.280 yeah yeah i don't care that's not france's problem i think to add as well i think i read recently

00:07:21.040 there's this sentiment of deportation is just so inhumane so what about the victim yeah hang on a

00:07:29.420 minute the victim has been through helen back and you're thinking about just removing a person from

00:07:35.140 the nation that he committed the crime in like what i don't understand the mentality of that victims as

00:07:41.100 well that there will definitely be what about their human rights what about the right to public

00:07:46.780 safety yeah which is a basic duty of government and they're not i feel like i feel like we just go

00:07:52.060 around in circle every time we see a story like this we just go around in circles and circles and

00:07:57.000 circles it's just the same pattern every single time with coming out condemning it forgetting about it

00:08:04.000 something horrible happens coming out condemning it forgetting about it and it's just over and over again

00:08:09.180 and it's like i'm going mental but also there is something even more sinister here there is the

00:08:14.080 idea that western governments express that they own us because they're saying well we can't deport that

00:08:19.920 person because that person is running a high risk of uh be of being somehow abused well if that person

00:08:31.000 remains a lot of citizens run the risks of being abused so they are happy to take that risk with us

00:08:38.520 but not with them not with the criminal yeah so sorry you don't own us it's the most perverse thing

00:08:43.940 isn't it it's you don't own us it's not your risk to take our lives are not your risk to take

00:08:48.600 any criminal in the west that comes from a country that's got human rights issues

00:08:53.400 um they they should know they should know that if they do a crime here yeah they might have to pay for

00:09:00.520 it in our justice system but then also in their country of origin because they will be deported

00:09:05.580 and then they'll have to answer to the pakistani authorities or whatever it is there was a

00:09:10.380 massive vigil here for philippine and if you would believe that this would happen there were far

00:09:17.900 leftists that showed up no disturb a gathering are you serious shouting against uh against fascism and

00:09:25.180 against are you kidding me yeah really yeah there was a vigil people gathered in vienna and then there

00:09:31.800 were leftists that went and disrupted that sorry that uh display i didn't know that sorrow

00:09:36.600 in order to make their statement i mean how low have you be do you have to be how low of a person

00:09:43.800 to push your politics oh my days yes i don't i don't even yeah i'm sorry i agree with you scum

00:09:51.160 complete scum i shouldn't be saying that but i i'm acting with emotion now because it's just

00:09:56.640 such things are beyond good manners yeah the what do you do with people i know this right

00:10:03.540 what do you do with them i don't know but i know one thing that uh we are funded by our subscribers

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00:10:36.780 right let's move on let's move on to germany because it seems like the afd is doing so well

00:10:44.440 that a lot of people are beginning to find problem with migration we have here the leader of the

00:10:52.060 the the agricultural minister of the german green party uh sam ozdemir i think that's a turkish name

00:11:00.380 that he writes that his daughter is being sexually harassed by migrants and he says when she's out and

00:11:06.540 about in the city she or her friends are often unpleasantly stared at or sexualized by men with a

00:11:12.420 migrant background what has been the consistent policy of the german green party with respect to

00:11:20.240 open borders i guess it's just been pro open borders i imagine what is the green party's

00:11:26.020 policy with respect to the economy and the net zero policies which presumably you know if you have a good

00:11:33.640 economy a lot of people from your country are going to be able to find jobs and there's going to be

00:11:38.820 growth what's their position in that something like the nz doctrine not new zealand something like net

00:11:46.540 zero zero yeah yeah oh but now it's touched his life now it's affecting his daughter it's a problem

00:11:52.400 right and uh people are pointing out the hypocrisy there because the the green party has expressed some

00:12:02.080 of these views also about a year ago where they were advocating for a more moderate course on migration

00:12:08.440 and someone says johnny hossen says so let me get this straight germany's point i made sorry what so

00:12:15.340 yeah no that guy i haven't seen this tweet but he's saying exactly what i just said basically yeah

00:12:19.000 the storefront of the pro-migration ngos that have been slandering greece with fake news and smear

00:12:24.860 campaigns and supposed dead little girls on evros now that the problem they caused effects them they want

00:12:31.900 to limit migration so they're happy to take risks with the standard of living of other people but

00:12:38.040 also the lives of other people but if it touches their own life then they suddenly see a problem

00:12:43.580 and we are going to discuss about what they're going to do with it because that also happens in the u.s

00:12:50.960 we see for instance many people in several communities in chicago in the in new york where

00:12:55.880 they're saying no our community is being destroyed by this the federal government needs to do something

00:13:00.300 and that always the the response is either silence or we're going to send them somewhere else to

00:13:07.560 destroy another community but not yours because you're going to vote for us remember when uh texas

00:13:12.240 maybe it was texas i think one of the southern states bust a lot of migrants to i think martha's

00:13:17.820 vineyard do you remember that's it yeah i remember that yeah they didn't like it and they didn't like

00:13:22.260 it they did not like it up them funny that especially with sanctuary cities let's go to england we had

00:13:28.180 an acid attack to teenagers and t and a teacher have been hospitalized after an acid attack at london

00:13:37.400 school girl for teen fear to have life-changing injuries this is this is just getting out of

00:13:43.720 control yeah this is not the type of you know high trust society people want to live in or that you

00:13:52.800 know western political philosophy has always or at least the last four centuries has been for

00:14:01.360 it's just something has to happen just having children being stabbed you know at a taylor swift

00:14:09.920 dancing class classroom or be going at a school and people throwing acid at their faces this this get

00:14:17.340 there seems to be an air of impunity and wherever there's impunity the people who are

00:14:23.620 anti-social get all the wrong messages because they interpret that impunity as weakness and to a degree

00:14:31.960 it is weakness when the law isn't enforced people stop fearing that they're they are going to be to be

00:14:39.600 punished for for crimes and they think they're going to get away with it it's life-changing stuff that is

00:14:46.020 as well like for the victim and you know life imprisonment for me for a crime like that for acid

00:14:53.580 attacking a child you're deforming someone for life yeah yeah they should never be allowed in the

00:14:59.700 general population of society ever again yeah without parole we don't we very very rare i think

00:15:04.440 we do do it but we very very rarely give sentences with no parole or her majesty's pleasure his majesty's

00:15:10.260 pleasure i.e you're never going to get out we very very rarely do it but yeah i think acid attacks

00:15:15.300 certainly on a minor yeah if we had the death sentence and i was a judge they'd definitely

00:15:20.560 swing for that definitely right we're going to go now to countries of first reception like spain and

00:15:26.980 greece but also we're going to talk about the eu policies and the the stuff the measures that a lot

00:15:33.500 of eu states are adopting when it comes to the issue we had around 500 moroccans who gathered by the

00:15:41.420 border fence in ceuta in spain and there was a viral campaign on social media that called for a joint

00:15:49.440 attempt to storm the border and illegally enter spain we also have here footage look at what is going on

00:15:59.600 here let's play this see there are people just storming in it's quite simply an invasion yeah just

00:16:08.220 there's no other word and it's also coordinated any bleeding heart libtard commie globalist that

00:16:19.820 get that gets uh gets tetchy about someone using the word invasion no no no no no no no no no no they

00:16:28.080 need to be shouted down they need to be told that they're wrong yeah on that they are horribly wrong

00:16:35.720 and the thing is that unless tough measures are implemented right now i really fear for the future

00:16:42.900 a really fear for the future now some people in germany they began the border control initiative

00:16:50.320 that was by olaf schultz a lot of people thought that this was him being scared at the afd but two

00:16:57.800 days afterwards he went to central asia in kazakhstan and uzbekistan and he started calling for

00:17:03.820 hundreds of thousands of skilled workers i think something the number was around a quarter of a million

00:17:09.620 madness not not just from these countries but also from africa madness right so he initiated a

00:17:16.620 border control program and that has caused some concerns over countries of first reception like

00:17:23.860 poland because what they're saying is that we're part of a union so if there are a lot of people from

00:17:29.980 countries of first reception a lot of migrants who try to go to the to the other to the rest of the

00:17:37.340 union and there are border controls it's going to be tougher to to check the population and a lot

00:17:43.840 of illegals are going to stay in the countries of first reception so now countries of first reception

00:17:48.380 are asking the union for some help to help them guard the borders of the union and as you will see

00:17:55.420 the result is that there has to there have to be there have to be

00:18:01.920 intelligent measures adopted that intelligent measures have to be adopted and somehow borders

00:18:11.540 aren't intelligent for them and fences aren't intelligent for them right we see here poland

00:18:17.680 considers they mean then sorry what so what do they you'll see you okay all right sorry you'll see

00:18:21.980 right now poland considers germany's decision to introduce borders control unacceptable they've

00:18:27.160 criticized germany's decision to introduce border controls and austria's interior minister gerhard

00:18:32.660 karner said that vienna would not take any rejected asylum seekers or migrants from germany fast forward

00:18:40.060 here we have donald tusk polish pm now poland is in a way a country of first reception because they border

00:18:49.780 with belarus and with belarus there can be the belarus isn't in the eu and a lot of migrants can enter into

00:18:58.200 the eu from belarus you know at hudens and lukashenko's disposal so hangry also was fined with about

00:19:09.820 200 million for not conforming with a migration pact that wants to disseminate all the population of

00:19:17.120 of migrants and this is not something that hungary and most of the countries of the eu have have

00:19:25.380 supported so the union comes along and says you have to implement this otherwise it's going to be

00:19:31.480 you're going to get fined and they find found they find hangry for 200 million euros and hungary said

00:19:38.400 instantly we're going to give them a free bass ride back to brussels

00:19:41.620 see that's the sort of thing where hungary should be well within their rights or it's all ban right

00:19:51.200 it's hungary yeah that's the sort of thing where you just be like well you're not getting your 200

00:19:55.800 million and we leave the eu like what that's what they deserve that's what the eu leadership deserve

00:20:02.780 i mean that's the correct response to them you're trying to flood our country with fifth colonists

00:20:07.800 with criminals with god knows who and when we refuse to do it you're going to steal 200 million from us

00:20:14.840 exactly and that's the cheek of it that shows the more than the cheek of it that shows the hypocrisy of

00:20:20.700 what is called the european solidarity which apparently it isn't towards europeans right yeah when

00:20:27.460 people want to have a degree to maintain a degree of national sovereignty and maintain their national

00:20:32.320 identity the eu has to come in they have to intervene they have to come on top of things and say no we

00:20:38.160 are going to find you we're going to instrumentalize the illegal migration in order to to weaken your

00:20:44.580 national sovereignty and here we have another clash between the eu and greece where greece as another

00:20:50.840 country first reception is saying that we need we are guarding europe's borders and we need eu funding

00:20:58.820 for for building a fence around our borders with turkey now a lot of people from outside greece will

00:21:06.360 say that well create your own border fence create your own wall and guard your own borders to a degree

00:21:14.060 that's fine but that implies also that the eu doesn't have to constantly undermine every such effort

00:21:22.500 as a violation of human rights so if on the one hand the message is guard your own borders yeah we

00:21:29.040 will guard our own borders but on the other hand stop constantly shouting that guarding your own borders

00:21:35.900 is a violation of human rights but the eu said that they have to insist for smarter solutions

00:21:43.240 that that means nothing it's just too vague yeah but now eu tells starma to accept tens of thousands

00:21:51.400 of migrants a year to secure pm's relations reset could that be a smarter thing could could the eu

00:21:58.320 say that we aren't gonna help the countries of first reception to guard their borders because we need

00:22:06.300 to find smarter solutions we need to utilize mass migration in order to get

00:22:12.800 things from other parties it doesn't mean anything no it's never ending as well it's just

00:22:20.160 yes and here we're going to end the segment with two statements here we have here eu rejects greece

00:22:27.220 border fence funding growing concern in greece of a migrant surge across turkish border

00:22:31.600 we started the fence in 2017 with internal funding eu opposed to border fencing prefers more intelligent

00:22:38.260 solutions i must say this because i follow greek news constantly the level of discussion over this

00:22:44.000 fence is ridiculous we have leftists constantly saying that this fence on its own is a violation of

00:22:51.240 human rights and the fence on its own is inhumane but they're not looking at the inhumanity of europe

00:22:57.980 right now they don't look at the disintegration of societies and the way things are going and the

00:23:04.580 violence that is getting out of hand they don't do this because they're they don't then they hate

00:23:10.760 national sentiment they must be mad literally mad yeah and we have here the municipalist

00:23:17.140 yes an account here says as the eu descends ever further into far-right dystopia germany's

00:23:23.380 center-right cdu has urged the european commission led by fellow member ursula von der leyen to fund

00:23:29.640 fences at the border of greece and poland open borders are uk rejoiner fake news so no this is this

00:23:38.380 isn't a far-right dystopia this is actually a multiculturalist dystopia yeah yeah just but these

00:23:45.580 people are so ideological that they they just don't care about facts whenever facts conflict with

00:23:51.540 their ideology always it's worse for the fact obviously diversity is a weakness multiculturalism

00:23:57.900 is a failed experiment a disaster actually a catastrophe but the thing is because mr hitler

00:24:06.160 in mein kampf railed against multiculturalism in his example the multiculturalism of the

00:24:11.900 austro-hungarian empire in the 20s but because that's a fact then any criticism multiculturalism is

00:24:19.800 de facto nazi and you just want to that reminds me hitler drank water as well yeah oh no that's

00:24:26.740 fascist and he likes dogs apparently yeah alsatians are fascist yeah yeah 100 so well that means

00:24:32.560 everything is hitler but also that's completely ridiculous that uh you know they're enforcing

00:24:37.440 that narrative because the people who were reacting even against hitler they weren't particularly

00:24:43.160 the rainbow brigades they didn't have rainbow flags and say we're fighting for tampons and

00:24:48.620 boys bathrooms they also cared about their nation and their countries patriotism was a thing right

00:24:55.220 yeah yeah anyway europe is at a crossroads the sooner we wake up the better tough measures need to be

00:25:01.280 taken now to prevent worse things in the future walls work right that's one of the canards that the

00:25:08.800 leftists like say that walls don't work they do work they have always worked for a long time what

00:25:13.000 about the walls of theodosius one perfect example in northern ireland the main reason why the troubles

00:25:20.740 stopped it wasn't because mr blair is some sort of brilliant diplomat was able to finally reason with

00:25:27.140 the ira or the real ira no there's loads and loads of walls in northern ireland keeping the the cathos and

00:25:33.060 the proddies away from each other physically walls work walls work really well

00:25:37.520 let's go to the rumble uh chat so when pill seeker compassion understanding intolerance of

00:25:45.440 the victimizers is oppression tyranny and cruelty to the victimized and those who mourn them

00:25:50.420 yes and there's the quote that you know mercy to the guilty is also cruelty to the innocent that

00:25:56.840 i'm reminded of this you said that that's a good quote i've heard it before it may be adam smith but

00:26:01.640 take that with a pinch of salt that that's a random name to follow on that i have noticed

00:26:06.060 that the way these barbarians are treated by their injustice system resembles how female teachers

00:26:12.340 punish the kid standing up to the bullish bullies rather than punish the bully and also by a random

00:26:19.760 name that's a random name i noticed that when someone publicly stands up to a wrongdoer a lot of

00:26:25.060 people would rather excuse the wrongdoers behaviors than support the person hold upholding justice any of

00:26:31.080 you guys notice this too yeah yeah loads remember the example of um some they'd put some convicted

00:26:38.360 rapist or a violent criminal on a plane and um some girl yes i remember raised havoc so the plane

00:26:46.540 couldn't take off thank you she'd done like the crying yeah thank you because everyone was clapping

00:26:51.420 and i think he was a convicted rapist yeah yeah he thought it after his sentence yeah it's cultural

00:26:57.700 relativism it's it's more i would say it's more narcissistic some people are narcissistic they want to

00:27:04.380 portray the image of the compassionate person that they don't care what about the context it's all about

00:27:10.860 them and them them like every single climate change activist that's ever lived yeah i did think

00:27:15.500 greta yeah right should we go to the second uh segment okay okay well so yesterday evening there

00:27:23.600 was a vice presidential debate between vance and walls is that you pronounce it walls i think tim

00:27:28.840 waltz waltz waltz waltz waltz uh timmy timmy oh timmy what do you call him what's what's the thing

00:27:35.320 in walls it's like the tampon oh yeah build the tampon i only learned of that this morning i only learned

00:27:40.940 yes he he campaigned for having uh tampons in boys bathrooms in several schools that's

00:27:47.320 that's insane yes a lot of them call him tampon tim i like the little names that sort of catch on

00:27:54.060 because of because of policy silly policies like that it's funny how they try and paint vance as a

00:28:00.160 weirdo that's weird tim governor waltz that's weird bro yeah uh all right we have to show quite

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00:29:10.480 cough up for thank you very very much we actually can't stress that enough i know whenever you go on

00:29:15.240 places and they say that you're just like yeah yeah but it's honestly really really true i mean

00:29:19.720 it's just a fact so anyway on to advance fee walls um um so i watched it so you don't have to

00:29:28.320 my takeaway is this don't bother yeah relatively boring there was no like massive head-to-head

00:29:34.800 heated moment where you're like oh drama oh there's no real drama i heard it was very polite

00:29:40.180 relatively relatively yeah i didn't watch all of it i saw only clips on twitter because that's kind

00:29:45.340 of what i watched it all on times two speed i couldn't be bothered with actually

00:29:48.460 just take it all in i i haven't watched all of it but i kind of liked it for me it was a breath of

00:29:57.160 fresh air yeah what way in that it wasn't just full of at hominem attacks all right yeah they were

00:30:02.020 quite pleasant to each other yeah i mean at hominem attacks they're funny yeah they are the bread and

00:30:07.060 circus in a bit but i think that was a breath of fresh air i really liked jd vance's performance

00:30:12.080 yeah i think i did really well yeah um no he did really well he came he came across as um personable

00:30:19.900 likable even charismatic can't go that far but he was all right i think he did really well because

00:30:26.300 i've seen him speak before but i've never really seen walls speak before i've seen a few tiny little

00:30:30.900 clips on twitter just a few second clips here and there so i've never seen him talk for any extended

00:30:35.560 period of time so i was prepared to give him uh the benefit of the doubt obviously his politics are

00:30:40.540 insane he's a senior democrat but as a as a person tampon tim he's on him he's obviously out of his

00:30:45.680 gourd um but i thought just as a person as a man i'll give him i'll give him um you know benefit of

00:30:52.200 the doubt and to be fair to him um he can actually speak you know like joe biden can't really speak

00:30:58.420 kamala harris is just an endless word salad of nonsense and just a pure cringe machine right at least

00:31:05.480 this guy could actually talk normally string together normal sentences with relatively normal cadence

00:31:10.380 and there was a bit of word salad but it wasn't too egregious you know even people like angela

00:31:15.820 rayner they can they sort of can't speak properly right or coherently coherently yeah it's uh there's

00:31:22.900 loads there's loads of senior politicians in all sorts of countries that like your job is supposed

00:31:27.640 to be as an orator you're supposed to speak for a living you're supposed to be a professional

00:31:31.440 speaker and you can't really do it well at least give him that at least yes because kamala harris

00:31:37.960 isn't particularly spontaneous she she's a good speaker especially they ask us stuff that she

00:31:44.920 doesn't expect she doesn't seem to be good with words she has said some insane stuff like everyone

00:31:51.360 takes the mick out of it online the random sort of diatribes that she goes on i can't even think of

00:31:57.260 them because they're so wacky but like that thing that was once there and then tomorrow and you know

00:32:03.280 like that kind of weird diatribe i'll tell you who was bad quite bad for that not as bad as her but

00:32:08.940 george bush jr if anyone remembers everyone anyone's old enough to remember george jr he would do a thing

00:32:14.080 where um it was it was semi-coherent it was sort of semi-coherent and um like malapropisms you know

00:32:22.040 trying to say a particular famous phrase turn a phrase and getting it wrong aoc does that oh yeah

00:32:28.340 um like aoc is your shoe though hey sorry what george bush jr he could dodge shoes oh yeah that

00:32:34.680 was a great dodge do you remember that you remember that yeah yeah he just slipped the shoulder it was

00:32:39.760 a really good little yeah little shimmy yeah it was in the room and zoned two shoes in fact wasn't it

00:32:45.160 it was two yeah first one didn't come close but the second one went through where his head was and

00:32:49.060 he yeah yeah like neo with shoes or something yeah yeah yeah um but no so this so vance um obviously

00:32:58.740 we're sort of team trump partisans here we make no bones about that uh but i did i still think if i'm

00:33:04.960 trying to be objective i still think vance won simply because he came across as okay came across as good

00:33:11.160 and where i i can't say if i'm honest that waltz came across terrible like it was a car crash like it

00:33:17.280 was a wreck it wasn't he stumbled a little bit i think he took a bit of time to warm up just bad

00:33:22.000 ideas his first yeah obviously the policy is yeah is uh dog crap um but though as a as a debater

00:33:32.080 as someone that you know it's your job to get up there and talk is not a complete car crash but i

00:33:37.100 still think vance won i mean i was watching one commentator it was ben shapiro actually i thought

00:33:42.960 i quickly see what ben shapiro had to say about it and i actually agreed with his take that it was

00:33:48.160 vance's job to come across as sort of non-scary non-aggressive that the trump ticket isn't this

00:33:54.080 dangerous thing right that he's not a weirdo and if that's the primary objective i felt like he

00:34:00.100 absolutely did it like i say he came across as personable yeah um as nice even i think he came

00:34:07.280 very very he was in control of the situation yeah right yeah he was very stable he didn't allow

00:34:14.300 calm cool and collected yeah yeah he didn't allow people to get under his skin and um i think he was

00:34:20.120 also very uni unifying he addressed americans he came off as humble as someone who is uh yeah as you

00:34:30.060 say personable he was likable compassionate but also he could speak and he could articulate

00:34:35.860 he could articulate thoughts and you can definitely see that he adds something to to trump it's pretty

00:34:43.540 lucid and fluid yeah yeah i i think there was two things that i saw i didn't watch the entire thing

00:34:48.480 i only saw a couple of clips one was um his take on the opposition waltz and harris wanting to

00:34:57.100 criminalize freedom of speech and misinformation and he used that and uh as the example and then i think

00:35:04.740 waltz said something around something to do with like shouting fire in a crowded theater as the

00:35:09.480 you can't do that and it was kind of like there's such a weak like position to take and it's so obvious

00:35:16.180 that they want to criminalize um misinformation expression um and i think the other one that was

00:35:23.680 really fascinating um oh gosh i think he used i think he used the term like whack-a-mole about policy

00:35:32.180 yes he was really good at reminding reminding people that's so important for the last four

00:35:39.020 years that's what i like when i watch debates with um politicians and of course people who are

00:35:46.360 looking to lead or be the next vp or whatever any country i want i like it when they're calm

00:35:53.820 for a start it's not all shouty shouty yes trump can be very very funny and you know ad hominem

00:36:00.340 sometimes when it's necessary and it's entertaining but i like i like a what you mentioned about the

00:36:06.940 relatable stuff but also reminding people of policy and what the opposition has done and um

00:36:14.560 to sort of find solutions because that's what people want right solutions we're kind of sick

00:36:20.400 of the talking i think i've said many a times that i've come here about conferences and stuff like that

00:36:24.780 i understand it's a morale boost but people want to see action what is it you're proposing what is

00:36:29.600 your solution and from what i saw i think it offered uh quite a few all right yeah so the actual

00:36:35.640 substance of what they talked about the thing you mentioned there about where they talked about

00:36:38.840 censorship or the the state of democracy that was right at the end that was like the last thing

00:36:43.860 but let's talk about that now because if there was anything that was actually for me anyway

00:36:47.920 genuinely interesting it was probably that because they can talk about housing policy

00:36:52.980 and things for a while and it's it's it's dull it's important but it's kind of dull but yeah right

00:36:58.900 at the end they talked about democracy and of course uh governor walls was talked all about trump's

00:37:04.620 assault on democracy with january 6th that's it and um yeah and the mass trespass event that took place

00:37:10.540 at the capitol um and so he's so that's his angle that democracy is under attack because of that

00:37:15.680 because of because trump shouted fire in a crowded theater effectively politically in some sense in

00:37:20.780 some ways and that lots of police officers were were wounded that day okay and then but um advance

00:37:26.900 shoots back with well one that's nonsense trump did just hand over power didn't he though yeah and also

00:37:32.560 the real attack on democracy is your guy's censorship in fact one quote i had the only actual quote i bothered

00:37:37.460 picking out was he said of of kamala specifically of kamala that um that she was engaged in quote

00:37:43.600 censorship on an industrial scale brilliant yeah that they that you know i suppose he was referencing

00:37:50.300 sort of the the zuckerberg stuff and but there's more than one thing you could he could probably have

00:37:56.420 pointed to but um yeah the the classic thing is that you accuse your enemies of doing exactly what

00:38:01.540 you're doing yeah if anyone's destroying freedom of speech and therefore the nature of democracy itself

00:38:06.660 in america it's coming from the left and their constitution yes and you see the the notion of

00:38:13.040 the argument so they're saying that okay if you don't have if you're not a free speech absolutist

00:38:18.560 therefore you have to be absolutely against free speech that was the implication which is actually

00:38:25.640 proving in what jd vance is talking about it's mad yeah because if he's saying you are you are a

00:38:33.940 problem for free speech and the answer is well there's one case where most people agree that free speech

00:38:39.360 isn't a good thing yeah okay i mean what about all the other cases yeah where it's a good thing

00:38:45.180 well i'm a personally a free speech advocate obviously anyone in the right mind would be

00:38:50.260 you know a free speech sort of um ultra but there's limits in any civilized society you do need

00:38:56.840 sort of libel laws for example yeah uh you can't just go around accusing anyone of being a rapist

00:39:03.080 say and expect to get away with that so there is a limit on complete and absolute truly absolute

00:39:08.620 freedom of speech but yeah that's no argument to say that well then we should be able to censor

00:39:14.300 whatever we want to censor it's just a non-sector it doesn't it doesn't make any sense it seems to me

00:39:18.460 that every every year every other year uh the democrats are addressing the lowest common denominator

00:39:25.040 year after year that's what i wanted to say now one thing uh samson i sent you something could we

00:39:30.600 load it please it's about the debate i i think that um what is uh i i have a different opinion

00:39:38.660 i i want to see what you think okay i'm not i'm not hijacking the segment that's fine but

00:39:43.780 please tell me if i wanted to point at this face that was constantly doing and i want to say that

00:39:51.240 if we take the the content of what was said apart and we just look at the performance it seemed to

00:39:58.140 me that it was a brilliant victory of jd vance and i i think that's objective because team walls came

00:40:05.520 completely came out across as completely nervous he was constantly doing this face he was constantly

00:40:11.220 looking at him as horrifying it was a bit rabbit in the headlights yeah on his face a fair bit quite a

00:40:16.840 bit actually yeah yeah no that's quite a lot no it's a fair point um yeah it wasn't like literally

00:40:22.440 sweat running down his face but um yeah that face he was doing that face a fair bit there's so many

00:40:28.460 memes going around now as well which is so funny but on the on the other things to mention uh what

00:40:34.520 they talked about the middle east they both agreed obviously sort of maybe not obviously but they both

00:40:38.540 agreed unconditional support for israel condemning iran um what else did they talk about they talked

00:40:45.620 about hurricanes and climate and and and climate change um yeah yeah obviously there was a bit of

00:40:53.360 a difference between them on whether climate change is real or not but in everything nearly everything

00:40:58.760 they talked about they talked about the economy they talked about abortion and guns and housing and

00:41:02.140 affordability and energy and health care and child care and all that sort of thing and on policy you can

00:41:07.040 usually imagine exactly what it is you know like the the the dem is sort of probe pro baby murder

00:41:15.160 and vance wasn't right so yeah you can imagine what it is you know that the old waltz says there's

00:41:22.600 nothing wrong with the economy and biodynamics kamala on it omics onomics it's fine and vance saying no

00:41:29.420 it isn't you've ruined the economy so there's no real problem on the border and vance saying there

00:41:33.080 is and you get it the one thing that i did that the one real sort of moment i thought that was sort

00:41:39.140 of a gotcha uh was for uh walls where apparently there was one little section where they sort of

00:41:47.160 asked them to defend themselves personally or things that they've said on twitter or things in their

00:41:52.100 personal lives that they uh use like a bit of a see if we can do a gotcha moment so for vance they said

00:41:58.240 do you remember that time you said i can't remember the exact words but he was quite critical of trump

00:42:02.640 in 2016 was vance i don't know if you remember that there was a case he said he was a bad man i

00:42:07.660 can't remember exactly what he said but he obviously walked that back not long after and

00:42:11.460 obviously him and trump have come to terms with it so they tried to do that with him they tried to do

00:42:16.100 that with vance and vance defended himself perfectly more or less but the walls one was quite bad

00:42:22.040 waltz had been to china yeah that's a bunch of times earlier in his life like in the 1980s sort of

00:42:28.000 thing uh well must have been the 80s had was involved in some sort of program where they take

00:42:33.300 people over their students and i don't know what exactly but something like that and apparently he'd

00:42:37.140 claimed that he was in tiananmen square oh yes when the chinese were rolling tanks over dissident

00:42:43.820 students and stuff do you remember when was that it was the early 80s wasn't it tiananmen square

00:42:48.320 i should know the exact that was it mid 80s yeah something like that early to mid 80s sometimes

00:42:52.580 anyway apparently he'd claimed he was there and he simply wasn't simply wasn't

00:42:57.860 it's like when hillary claimed she came under fire when she visited yugoslavia one time it

00:43:01.600 just it just didn't happen uh 1989 tiananmen square right yeah so late 80s then um and so

00:43:07.580 when they grilled him on it he he just sort of prevarigated and just like um um and then

00:43:12.520 it was like i didn't speak for a minute and then i said yeah but were you there or not though

00:43:15.980 yeah and he said i'm i misspoke i misspoke what was there so it's like i was there in spirit

00:43:22.940 but so you totally lied about that the thing is it's funny because he says oh i misspoke but

00:43:28.540 then didn't later on in the in the debate he said something like i'm i'm friends with school

00:43:33.180 shooters or something something insane didn't catch that did you not catch that because i was listening

00:43:38.380 if i got that wrong i'm so sorry no no no if i was listening to it on time to speed and a couple of

00:43:42.240 times i sort of zoned out because it was boring but uh i didn't actually catch that bit but maybe

00:43:46.660 there was a whole bit about guns and school shootings and stuff yeah he said he was friends

00:43:51.760 with it was i don't know something around that i have seen a couple of memes where they've people

00:43:57.400 have um sort of photoshopped him into the columbine an image of columbine so i think he must have

00:44:04.920 said something like that yeah he became friends with the school with a school yeah odd weird maybe he

00:44:12.500 misspoke yeah that's a knowledge are we able to listen it's one of those things that you listen

00:44:16.720 to and say that can't be true yeah what did he actually say play it senator thank you governor

00:44:21.900 you previously opposed an assault weapons ban but it's only later in your political career

00:44:26.200 did you change your position why yeah i sat in that office with those sandy hook parents i've become

00:44:30.520 friends with school shooters i've seen it look the nra i was the nra guy for a long time yeah

00:44:35.280 that's a doozy i guess that's what he must have meant yeah that's a doozy i became friends with the

00:44:41.600 victims of school shootings the parents of at least that must have been what he meant there

00:44:46.320 anyway because the thing is right we all speak for a living yeah yeah yeah i've done hundreds

00:44:51.340 maybe a few thousand hours of content now in my time and misspeaking is a thing yeah of course right

00:44:56.820 it's totally a thing because your brain is moving at such a vast pace and you want to get it all out

00:45:01.700 quite often you're thinking ahead of what your mouth is actually saying yes so like for example a

00:45:05.900 number of times you think of hostages and you speak of sausages it does happen if you speak for long

00:45:10.900 enough if you speak for long enough right but that's different you use an auto cue but what

00:45:14.640 my point was going to be is that that's different to just lying that you were in gentleman square

00:45:18.580 that's not misspeaking that's not misspeaking like the number of times i've gone to say queen

00:45:24.300 elizabeth and i've just said victoria yeah yeah or the other way around yeah yeah and you don't often

00:45:28.500 you don't even hear it yourself because if i hear myself misspeaking i'll correct myself

00:45:32.260 in real time immediately yeah you can't misspeak if you claim you're at a particular location

00:45:37.680 and you say it and then go hang on a minute no sorry that was wrong uh i wasn't there i was

00:45:43.240 actually here yeah like you don't just carry that on yeah yeah yeah it's weird and then never mention

00:45:49.220 about it again like like getting names wrong like i did some content about cicero a few weeks back and

00:45:55.420 i and kato and i was talking about cicero and kato loads and like within the space of an hour like

00:46:00.740 four times i said cicero when i'm meant to say kato and for something it happens it happens and

00:46:06.440 as i say often you don't even hear it yourself because your brain's two steps ahead already so

00:46:11.100 that's misspeaking yeah and it's not like biden where it's like that's that's just a medical

00:46:17.860 condition yeah when you don't even really it's just yeah depression yeah yeah do you know what i mean

00:46:24.520 but i mean a lot of these debates they just end up with with a question you know do you trust this

00:46:30.880 person and if you just look at any random tim wall's uh face of those you know just surprised faces he

00:46:38.000 does every time he's a stolen valor guy something is weird our producer just brought up a a web page

00:46:44.020 a list of tim wall's liars apparently interesting um well so anyway yeah i wanted to say that the

00:46:52.000 he doesn't exude trust he he looks like a person who is never in control of situation

00:46:58.280 yeah a bit a bit certainly way more than vance put it that way definitely way more not a leader

00:47:03.660 vance does seem like a competent pair of hands right um a safe pair of hands um but yeah like because

00:47:12.800 little white lies to prevent someone feeling uncomfortable that's one thing like don't you

00:47:19.720 think my baby's cute and they're not and you say yeah of course they are right that sort of liar okay

00:47:24.440 right that's a lie you didn't misspoke is this this creme brulee i spent ages making did you enjoy it

00:47:32.340 yeah yeah yeah oh sorry i meant to say that's those sorts of liars okay that's one thing but to just make

00:47:39.600 up that you came under fire when you didn't or you was in tiananaman square in 1989 when you weren't

00:47:45.100 for me anyway yeah it's sort of inexcusable it's sort of a proper proper sort of black mark on your

00:47:50.340 character sorry i just saw there was one for me what was that if you go down i think it was number

00:47:54.920 seven or something white guy tacos what was that what was that yeah what is this i've never seen this

00:48:01.620 before waltz appeared to have even misled the american people about his uh is it palate palate um in an

00:48:08.780 online video he apparently stated that black pepper is the spiciest food he eats although waltz

00:48:13.820 has a taste for spicy food in the video waltz gestures towards a table and tells kamala harris

00:48:19.240 i have white guy tacos what are you not spicy i guess that's what he means i i like non-spicy

00:48:26.420 tacos i mean okay i don't know if that's i don't know i don't know if that's anything to do with lie i

00:48:33.220 don't so anyway my takeaway from this is that um it's probably not worth anyone watching although

00:48:39.480 these guys are one of them is going to be one heartbeat away from being the leader of the free

00:48:44.460 world right gotta be able to speak because the thing about being a vice president famously the

00:48:49.540 cliche is is that it's a nothing office it's really boring you want sort of a non-entity person

00:48:56.160 like dan quail to do it or al gore and um yeah you're one heartbeat away from the the big chair

00:49:04.100 but you'll probably never get there and it's all it's all a bit of a nothing right but there is quite

00:49:09.800 a lot of examples in history of vps becoming the president for whatever reason i mean the 304

00:49:14.660 presidents have been assassinated while died whilst in office so it's not that crazy and obviously

00:49:18.860 plenty of people want trump dead so um vance could be the big man one day uh but no so i mean it is

00:49:28.060 it is the cliche that it doesn't matter but it actually does right it still does really matter

00:49:32.760 i think it does and on all of that despite being we you know we're much more pro trump than we are pro

00:49:39.700 harris but i feel like vance sort of easily won it yeah he came across well i think if i if i can even

00:49:48.740 come close to being objective about it seemed to me he came across well and uh governor waltz

00:49:54.320 seemed he wasn't too bad but he did lie he had lied and he was a bit of a rabbit in the headlights

00:50:01.020 and um obviously the policies are insane so there you go cool we have several

00:50:09.580 several chats so access the eternal i wasn't expecting a good debate

00:50:17.820 but vance actually crushed it i liked him after reading his book but now i think he's great and

00:50:23.180 such a smart debater plus it was civil see i like civil i quite like civil that is a random name i am

00:50:30.040 a free speech terror all the white all the white commies in my uni program would lose their minds when i

00:50:40.220 would call them the n-word law yeah there is a random name it is time for us to do what we have

00:50:46.160 been doing and that time is every day kamala harris who's genuinely below average iq she almost names

00:50:53.320 old joe seem coherent how she passed the bar well seriously right how was she a prosecutor

00:51:02.920 i don't know the habsification brandenburg versus ohio does allow people to yell fire in a crowded

00:51:11.960 theater and win pill seeker to seem stereotypical and bland tim said he didn't like spices but he

00:51:18.920 actually won a spicy chili recipe if you lie about the little things what about oh so he lied about

00:51:24.580 liking spot why like why it's again the spicy vote weird is spicy vote yeah yeah it's accused people

00:51:33.460 of being what they are yeah and that's such a weird lie isn't it yeah it's so strange and again in

00:51:39.720 their weird democrat like rich uh georgetown democrat world that makes sense what's this we have one for

00:51:46.480 you bo kamala passed the bar on her knees obviously oh oh um yeah no um um you remember hillary said

00:51:57.220 oh i keep a bottle of hot sauce in my purse in my handbag yes i remember yeah it's just like that's

00:52:02.800 almost certainly not true and even if it was both ways that's weird it is weird that's weird you

00:52:07.480 pretending you really love hot sauce what for the mexican vote because you think they all love

00:52:11.800 hot sauce or something weird completely out of touch freak the fun thing i don't know his wife

00:52:19.520 said that during the blm riots and they were in minnesota i think she opened the windows so she

00:52:26.200 could inhale the smoke you said that sorry his wife his wife tim wals's wife yeah she wants to

00:52:33.100 breathe anarchy yeah yeah yeah she wants to imbibe anarchy it was like an offering to her whoa weird

00:52:40.860 right so lewis let's go to what you have to offer okay so the question of this segment is why should

00:52:47.680 we fight now we've been seeing in the news very recently or uh over the past year the idea of

00:52:54.800 conscription now i'm sure you guys have done segments on the uh the topic of conscription but

00:53:00.600 it's come up again uh last week um but before we start the segment i will hand you over to stella

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00:53:40.440 josh firm and luca johnson islander space magazine yes very elegantly give it a shot

00:53:48.460 but um so recent headlines suggest that britain is close to participating in a full-blown war with

00:53:56.420 boots on the ground meanwhile the regime is concerned uh that there isn't enough people

00:54:03.280 volunteering for the military service uh the telegraph posted this civilians must be ready to

00:54:09.260 fight because britain's military is so small warns peers boots on the ground in lebanon or in donbass

00:54:16.820 we don't know it could be either or both or anywhere so in this article it says according to the report

00:54:28.580 by the lord's international relations and defense committee found that the armed forces quote

00:54:34.760 lack the mass resilience and internal coherence necessary to maintain a deterrent effect

00:54:41.320 and respond effectively to prolonged and high intensity warfare and questioned whether the

00:54:48.580 british army is prepared to meet the growing threat posed by russia to european is russia they're talking

00:54:56.160 about so they're talking about russia specifically um so in so we i guess we can open up the floor um

00:55:02.540 so i i i my sentiment is quite clear actually i wouldn't fight uh if i was called up i'd actually

00:55:12.120 rather go to prison if i'm totally honest um the reason being uh is quite simple really why would i

00:55:19.300 want to fight for this regime so the regime for me um a lot of the previous wars i'm sure bo you've got

00:55:28.820 extensive knowledge on this the previous wars that the uk or britain has been part of since world war ii

00:55:35.000 um could have been avoided a lot of them um and some of them i think weren't necessary if i'm totally

00:55:44.960 honest um so i'm citing examples i was against the afghan afghanistan war and iraq war as well

00:55:53.900 uh it's caused a lot of issues with let's say power vacuums from other political entities

00:56:00.020 that we're continuing to fight now um because of this those are just a few examples but yeah i think

00:56:08.380 also the narrative surrounding the ukraine and russia conflict as well now spoiler alert i'm not a

00:56:15.660 putin sympathizer nor a russian propagandist i don't like russia i don't like ukraine i don't like

00:56:21.360 either actually that's my own opinion but i wanted to open the floor to the question to you guys

00:56:27.340 about whether well why should we for me at all times any conscription or draft is a terrible terrible

00:56:36.560 terrible thing yes it's a type of enslavement yes um britain we we did it in world war one

00:56:43.660 and world war two of course but world war one and that was one of the first times we'd ever done it

00:56:48.180 it's not really in our tradition if you look on the scale of centuries it's not really a british

00:56:53.400 tradition to have conscription i think there's two different fundamentally two different types of

00:56:59.620 war there's one like an existential threat we can talk about we can talk about uh world war two and

00:57:05.700 who was ultimately responsible and who who goaded who into what when but nonetheless when you find

00:57:13.540 yourself in the summer of 1940 and possibly uh a foreign army is going to come to the shores of

00:57:19.080 england yes then maybe the draft and conscription make some sense to me then morally sure at that

00:57:25.600 point uh but yeah to go and fight a foreign war for someone else under conscription no no no no no

00:57:31.760 no no on principle no luckily i'm in my early 40s i'll probably be a bit too old so just oh you're

00:57:38.760 lucky for a purely personal point of view they probably don't want me i'm too old and knackered

00:57:43.760 i've got terrible cardio uh dear ministry of defense my cardio is terrible you don't want me you don't

00:57:49.880 want me i'll be a wheezing mess straight away um i'm a smoker um so but i do think unless it's an

00:57:59.140 actual existential threat that you're at these islands are being invaded by and putin's not

00:58:03.520 going to invade kent right so no no conscription no draft it's it's crazy um oh yeah well yeah i put

00:58:14.140 my life on the line to defend devices against what russian yeah paratroops they they they drop a

00:58:21.320 parachute regiment on devices i think i think there's of course a difference between defending

00:58:27.340 your community yeah defending your family and friends within your constituents for example

00:58:32.120 um you know defending your home area then to be drafted up and be sent to other borders other

00:58:41.160 people's wars proxy wars that the establishment have either goaded or purposely getting involved with

00:58:48.260 um with regards to uh not necessarily protecting freedom and democracy we hear that a lot about wars

00:58:55.060 we're here to instill and protect freedom and democracy no you're after minerals most of the

00:58:59.640 time let's be honest yeah so there's one so the first point is the principle of the thing of

00:59:04.160 conscription so that's that uh then the second thing is as you mentioned talking about the regime who am

00:59:09.040 i fighting for i'm fighting okay i'm fighting the british army for the british government but yeah but

00:59:14.000 though but on behalf of whom exactly on behalf of what trilateral commission some ultimate power

00:59:19.660 yeah ie well washington probably yeah probably yeah or or on behalf of the zelensky government no

00:59:26.760 no not only will i not give my blood for the zelensky government i don't want any other englishman

00:59:31.900 or brit yeah or any other northwestern europe anyone really actually yeah even ukrainian men shouldn't be

00:59:37.380 shedding their blood on behalf of that government one of the most corrupt things of all time absolutely

00:59:42.600 um again that doesn't make me in the pay of putin no in any way no um and then finally i suppose the

00:59:50.020 last point i would make about it is um yeah just making the distinction between fighting in a foreign

00:59:56.920 field okay sometimes that might be that might actually be necessary or something like it's very

01:00:04.240 difficult to find truly just wars but if you look at the falklands for example yeah i think that was

01:00:08.460 like going halfway around the world to defend those people of the falkland islands who wanted

01:00:13.780 absolutely wanted to remain part of um britain the commonwealth rather than under argentinian rule

01:00:21.000 in buenos aires okay but yeah going off going to fight and die in the donbass for ukraine against

01:00:27.440 russia and here's the ultimate point i was going to make is you know we could it was it was possible to

01:00:35.400 beat the rges in the early 80s no one's beating russia's army in the donbass they have got

01:00:44.100 effectively endless men effectively endless armor effectively endless shells right don't go and fight

01:00:52.000 a war you know i said this the other day sun tzu talks about this machiavelli talks about this

01:00:57.380 von clauswitz talks about this don't get involved in a hot war with someone you can't beat don't do it

01:01:04.440 like we won't beat them on the battlefield even if they conscripted 200 000 guys and we sent the

01:01:11.320 whole british army over there if putin decided he still would wants to win he's going to win

01:01:15.540 if he decides he wants to use tactical nukes he can like it's an old cliche it's in the princess bride

01:01:21.140 never get involved in the land war in uh in russia like that's a classic blunder right never trust a

01:01:27.560 sicilian and never get involved in a land war in with russia yeah no hitler couldn't do it napoleon

01:01:33.100 couldn't do it the only people have ever done it was the golden hall um it was the mongols the only

01:01:37.740 people ever really to have attempted that successfully was the mongols and that was more or less pre-gun

01:01:42.760 powder or right on the cusp of gunpowder so nowadays with russia with loads and loads of armor and

01:01:48.340 endless shells and nukes yeah it's not happening yeah so no stelios well i i agree with beau on the

01:01:57.720 distinction there are wars that are defensive and even existential and wars that are not and it seems

01:02:04.980 to me that when you're asking this question i want to ask you know what is it now obviously yes i mean

01:02:11.360 i i haven't gone there to fight so i'm asking with my i have already answered yeah so but you know i mean

01:02:22.460 yeah so i want to understand more what it is yeah sure um so so before i think there has only been

01:02:30.380 two periods in history with conscription in in britain and that was world war one world war two

01:02:35.820 i don't think there's been any other call up so the idea of fighting for your nation was almost a given

01:02:41.700 before then you would do it because it was a high trust society you wanted to protect that

01:02:46.520 you had you know it was very much uh it was just different everything was just different

01:02:53.120 so you were living in penury and they could give you uh food and clothing food and clothing and yeah

01:02:58.420 yeah there is something that i i hope if i'm wrong beau you you can correct me that it seems to me that

01:03:05.240 we're talking now about conscription and conscription in the context that we are talking about it it

01:03:10.560 requires a no a strong notion of individual rights because the idea that individuals have rights

01:03:17.960 against the collective be that a nation be that an ethnicity or whatever is relatively new that seems

01:03:25.400 to me early enlightenment before there was there was never the idea whether you know you had the

01:03:31.140 individual right to not get conscripted and to fight a war like that it was just you you are a member

01:03:38.680 of this society you have to fight for it no question i'm talking pre-enlightenment yes it seems to me

01:03:44.820 do you think i'm vastly wrong about this because there are several implications when it comes to

01:03:50.100 this because we're talking about conscription in countries that have a strong tradition of respect

01:03:56.160 for individual rights and there are other cultures that don't respect individual rights to such an extent

01:04:01.400 so i think that the practice across history is that people weren't asked if they want to fight wars

01:04:07.980 genghis khan didn't ask the mongols do you want to do you want to join it was you know if you don't

01:04:13.820 join you you're going to get into trouble i think the real answer to that is it just vastly depends

01:04:19.600 when and where you're talking about right classic thing that sprung to mind is the difference between

01:04:24.280 the classical athenians and the classical spartans right one society is yeah all men

01:04:29.520 all uh healthy grown men are warriors in sparta it's not the case in athens right if you skip ahead

01:04:38.380 maybe to sort of the higher middle ages you know you would have men at arms where there'll be sort

01:04:44.620 of a knightly class but your average peasant would would never be asked to fight necessarily unless

01:04:50.020 there was a giant war or some sort of existential some sort of existential threat then maybe but there

01:04:55.680 wouldn't be just a national draft yeah still wouldn't be a national draft then if you skip

01:05:00.580 ahead maybe the napoleonic era wars again there was no national draft quite often there'd be criminals

01:05:07.060 your average man uh take the king's shilling um uh you quite often might be a criminal and you're

01:05:13.360 given the option either join the army join the redcoats or we deport you to australia

01:05:17.260 which one do you want or prison or clink which one is up to you people take the army or just also

01:05:23.760 lots of people that genuinely just there was a big enough genuine want to join the army as a career

01:05:29.660 exactly and that's that's and that's changed drastically so i guess that moves on to um the

01:05:37.020 next part of this because this is specifically addressing uh a war with russia or boots on the

01:05:43.100 ground from the threat of russia and i think in the social media age um or the internet age or whatever

01:05:49.880 you want to call it people can now figure out narratives you know we have hindsight bias now

01:05:56.160 with all the previous wars you can go back see what went wrong what decisions were made that led

01:06:01.320 up to that could it have been avoided and the narrative surrounding this particular war ukraine

01:06:07.780 russia um is is so blatant for for people to see for example um oh gosh how do i go to the next move

01:06:18.900 the mouse across to that screen there we go so the current reluctance i believe that's part of the

01:06:27.980 reluctance anyway uh to not join the military ranks i think is largely to do with the narrative

01:06:34.280 um for example here is the uk has committed 12.8 billion pounds to ukraine that's 7.8 billion

01:06:43.200 pounds in military support and 5 billion pounds in non-military support according to this

01:06:49.100 government fact sheet and when you put that into context and you give given the domestic policies as

01:06:57.240 well within the uk recently the first thing that comes to mind is the winter fuel allowance it's the

01:07:03.700 first thing for me that comes into mind all these this billions and billions of pounds being pushed

01:07:09.160 into ukraine yet the government won't even heat like provide heating for our own elderly population

01:07:17.820 right there and that's kind of that's going to upset people and that's going to make people say

01:07:23.660 well hang on a minute like that's that's not fair like you've got enough money to send that amount

01:07:29.560 of money to send over to another country for wars but yet you can't afford to heat homes for our

01:07:37.280 elderly some may have even fought for this country so there's that there's that narrative there's that

01:07:44.260 hypocrisy or discontent um you know potholes our roads filled with potholes yes which would cost

01:07:51.240 a few hundred quid or whatever a couple of grand at most but oh but we can give the border we can

01:07:56.780 give zelinski yeah endless money our border the same thing exactly the same we're paying i think it was

01:08:04.840 i think i've got it here at some point which we'll go through but yeah over 8 million a day for illegal

01:08:12.080 migrants in hotels and you see that and we're paying into that and you're seeing the discontent

01:08:19.620 just sort of unravel and people are going hang on a minute well what about our own what about us

01:08:25.180 as well yeah you know i say this sometimes quite often maybe too often but um when the when billions

01:08:31.460 get thrown about yeah to put it into perspective because you hear you know twitter cost elon 44

01:08:37.600 billion yeah sure you know um elon's got over 200 billion and bill gates has got 150 billion or

01:08:43.580 ever you hear these numbers but 12.8 billion is a giant number it's huge the jamesworth

01:08:49.360 space telescope telescope cost 10 billion yeah most people don't have the money elon and bill gates

01:08:55.420 have yeah yeah the fact elon's got 220 plus billion that's insane yeah it's absolutely insane i can't

01:09:01.080 even like fathom he's got that's a big number it's like a graham number he's got to be approaching

01:09:05.500 one of the richest people ever to have lived actually now elon but um yeah no these numbers

01:09:10.800 it's a silly amount it's a silly amount it's truly a silly amount um and there's of course other

01:09:16.320 agendas but the narrative surrounding could this have been prevented now you can use hindsight bias

01:09:23.740 but this is from uh this next one's from the european conservative and this was published

01:09:28.620 last year in 2023 um and it says johnson forced kiev to refuse russian peace deal now i think you

01:09:36.440 might have remembered the russians invaded ukraine and then offered neutrality um a deal of some sort

01:09:44.580 and where the western allies rallied with obviously ukraine and boris johnson was part of that deal

01:09:52.420 and um and basically said no and influenced that that refusal essentially um now that's considered

01:10:02.260 russian propaganda apparently even though it did actually happen and there's of course receipts there

01:10:07.760 that you can go and have a look for yourself is all sourced by ukrainian sources as well so that makes

01:10:15.060 me that makes you think well if it could have been presented and hundreds of thousands of men from both

01:10:20.360 sides could have not lost their lives there is a possibility now it's difficult it's hindsight of

01:10:28.380 course it's easy for me to sit in a warm studio and say something like that so i understand and i'm sure

01:10:33.780 you guys might have different opinions on that um but there's an option right there's an option there

01:10:40.780 yeah yeah no i mean if you look at since the conflict began how many billions uh most it's mostly the

01:10:48.280 united states isn't it but also lots of other european countries have given the zelensky government

01:10:53.380 it's got it must be up and around 100 billion or more all in all right it's it's sort of crazy money

01:11:01.520 and last summer there was a uh there was meant to be a big push wasn't there a big ukrainian

01:11:06.800 offensive which came to absolutely nothing essentially on the battlefield anyway didn't

01:11:12.380 retake hardly anything or if they did the russians retook it back quite quickly yeah so it does beg the

01:11:17.820 question where has all that money gone i mean zelensky now apparently it seems to be a very very wealthy

01:11:22.540 person which is odd because i didn't think he he was all that wealthy before he got into office and i

01:11:27.220 didn't think the office of president of ukraine pays that much but now apparently he's an extremely

01:11:31.640 wealthy person anyway the point is it's obviously an embezzlement thing yes it's obviously untold

01:11:38.780 corruption is going on so no i'm not going to i'm not going to go and fight for that no no and people

01:11:45.320 say people say things like the argument like um you know like the poor ukrainians that they've had

01:11:51.720 bits of their country ripped away from them well if we're going to get down to brass tacks

01:11:57.000 really get down to it get brutally brutally honest i don't care no i don't care if russia's taken a bit

01:12:04.780 of ukraine off of ukraine no i don't care no so that bit of donbass is now controlled by the

01:12:10.720 administration from moscow rather than kiev so

01:12:13.700 no i'm not going to apologize for that no i don't want hundreds of thousands of anyone to die

01:12:20.520 for that yeah that's that's the moral point right you don't want hundreds of thousands of people to

01:12:25.620 to perish or putin's a new hitler this aggression cannot stand well he's not that's not exactly what's

01:12:30.780 going on here he's been goaded by nato for decades so no i don't buy that either no if that's what it

01:12:37.500 means if that bit of donbass a bit of uh eastern ukraine has to be bitten off by russia then so

01:12:44.540 be it no i don't care and the map gets redrawn all the time throughout history in the vast sweep of

01:12:49.440 history this stuff goes on all the time in a vast sweep of history that sort of stuff it's it's small

01:12:55.140 change so no no brits should go and fight and die for that no we shouldn't be sending them billions

01:13:00.240 no i don't support the zelensky government sorry not sorry there you go stelios no it's just

01:13:07.440 i think that for some reason we are constantly asked whether we side with one or another

01:13:15.240 side of foreign conflicts and i mean people have their opinions about you know who should win or

01:13:23.740 who shouldn't but at the end of the day you you can't ask people to go and give their lives for a

01:13:29.760 war that isn't theirs and i think that what is also particularly bound to generate resentment and

01:13:39.080 it did generate resentment is to if you just make the decision for your own people as a politician

01:13:46.660 without even asking them whether they want to fund the forever wars sure how many men ukrainian men

01:13:54.680 is going to is zelensky going to throw into that meat grinder how no how many and like a whole

01:14:01.020 generation ruined yeah and that's not enough will a million deaths be enough for zelensky now we'll

01:14:06.580 need boots from other countries now to throw into that endless meat grinder that he cannot win i mean

01:14:12.860 yeah if i've got any sympathy and of course i've got some sympathy it's with the people that have died

01:14:17.380 needless yeah both ukrainian and russian soldiers not to mention ukrainian civilians yeah of course i care

01:14:23.100 about that but but where the line on the map is who administers what politically yeah i'm an englishman

01:14:31.000 i don't care about that they've they've wasted lives zelensky and the western government someone

01:14:38.200 like boris someone like biden the chiefs of staff in the pentagon people like victoria newland in the

01:14:44.260 state department and putin and putin yeah they've got the blood of hundreds of thousands of men on their

01:14:51.140 lives and and not just men women and children as well civilians it's so that is obviously a tragedy

01:14:55.660 don't get me wrong of course uh of course that's a tragedy yeah but where the lion is on the map

01:15:00.440 it wasn't worth those deaths it can never be worth those deaths it's not worth one more death

01:15:05.420 i think i mean i don't like talking about the war and everyone who has watched me in segments about

01:15:12.060 about this may have already seen this but because to me i mean there are so many things to talk

01:15:18.140 about the war and so many assumptions that you require hours to sit down and actually

01:15:22.580 figure have a good conversation with people about it because for instance i think we have a tendency

01:15:28.600 of looking at it as entirely top down and i mean i know several ukrainians who who aren't particularly

01:15:36.220 thinking that it's zelensky who made us do it they want to fight the war but you know i don't know

01:15:42.720 what kind of sample is this but honestly i think that we we don't know this and because we don't

01:15:49.780 know so many things about it it's really weird that we are being asked to just instantly take an

01:15:56.260 existential choice about it i mean it's there was that's not something i know that much about there

01:16:03.380 was that very long interview that tucker did with putin right where putin started his narrative

01:16:08.500 in the 10th century right and that's not ridiculous right at all to start the narrative

01:16:15.360 there not 2014 and i did an interesting bit of content with apostolic majesty whose uh historical

01:16:22.080 knowledge is absolutely vast we did a two hour plus conversation breaking down tucker and putin's

01:16:28.160 conversation and again we started in about the 10th century and that's really honestly where it

01:16:33.960 probably should begin the relationship between kiev and moscow and novogrod and the nature of

01:16:40.900 russia and and ukraine um you know even if you go from the soviet era to the present day even that is

01:16:49.060 quite low resolution right so to say that russia should not cannot on principle control the donbass

01:16:58.000 no no no i'm not but no i'm not buying that there's there's nothing there's nothing um set in stone for

01:17:05.300 all time that ukraine's borders have to be where they were in 2014

01:17:09.820 it's different um well in regards to agendas because because i think the the point of this was

01:17:21.060 the narrative behind this specific war it's not it's not just about ukraine specifically and i know i

01:17:29.600 spoke a little bit earlier about minerals well lindsey graham being one from america um has said

01:17:37.340 that ukraine has trillions of dollars worth of critical minerals in their country and that he doesn't

01:17:43.060 want to give that over um to putin and china that's his call is it yeah and i think people are starting

01:17:52.280 to see through that that it's a lot more than just borders i think lindsey graham is a disgusting person

01:18:00.100 a mad warhawk mad warhawk again it's a million lives enough for mr graham how many men need to die

01:18:09.860 lindsey yeah right just so you can keep the the line on a map what's interesting he says in this

01:18:18.840 specific clip um i don't know if we can play just this clip if that's possible uh what did trump do to

01:18:26.880 get the weapon slowing he created a loan system they're sitting on 10 to 12 trillion dollars of

01:18:33.780 critical minerals in in ukraine they could be the richest country in all of europe i don't want

01:18:39.840 to give that money and those assets to putin to share with china if we help ukraine now they can

01:18:46.000 become the best business partner we ever dreamed of that 10 to 12 trillion dollars of critical mineral

01:18:51.440 assets could be used by ukraine and the west not given to putin and china this is a very big deal how

01:18:58.800 ukraine ends let's help them win a war we can't afford to lose let's find a solution to this war but

01:19:05.360 they're sitting on a gold mine to give putin 10 or 12 trillion dollars of critical minerals that he

01:19:11.520 will share with uh china is ridiculous i want so he's just playing a game of risk yeah it's just a

01:19:19.200 game that's that's literally how i see him viewing that yeah and it's and like you said hundreds of

01:19:26.160 thousands so many men have of perished it's so sad and i feel really really like i don't know

01:19:35.200 just the ukrainians being like slaughtered basically as well as russians generation ruined yeah

01:19:43.040 over minerals he doesn't he doesn't there's another argument i've heard about this and it's

01:19:50.080 it isn't about minerals it's about food because a lot of food for europe is yes the grain grain

01:19:56.160 yeah the argument goes like this that if putin controls ukraine he can have his power over europe

01:20:03.760 is going to rise exponentially because he can also utilize his power as a energy giant but also someone

01:20:11.680 who who could potentially cause a food crisis but yeah lindsey graham is talking about the minerals

01:20:18.480 here but i'm just saying yeah there's another argument yeah um in terms of like i'm talking

01:20:23.760 mostly about the narrative surrounding um the conflict i mean the narrative kind of going the

01:20:28.320 narrative it was just imposed top down no one was ever asked exactly and that's why a lot of people

01:20:33.440 are being very upset no one was asked no one was said anything about it no one had the right to to

01:20:40.640 criticize anything so and we are conflating a lot of things because it's one thing to ask whether

01:20:46.800 ukrainians have the right to you know it's right for them to defend themselves and quite another thing

01:20:52.320 to ask whether people should without being asked being forced to fund a foreign war i think it's because

01:21:01.600 a lot of people are have resentment over the ladder of the government's reaction it's an elite ladder

01:21:08.000 they yeah that that's all they see and it's it's sex to be expected that what would what these

01:21:15.760 politicians expect if they force people to fund a war that isn't theirs yeah they would feel resentment

01:21:21.600 transcription in the draft is is obviously would be massively massively unpopular if you look at

01:21:26.480 united states in vietnam yeah when they eventually brought in the draft for that

01:21:31.120 well it that sort of really really damaged america in all sorts of ways it was under nixon and the

01:21:38.880 nixon white house was quite literally under siege for weeks on end not a sort of a medieval siege

01:21:43.840 but like students just surrounded and and draft protesters surrounded the white house for weeks and

01:21:49.360 weeks on end they got in loads of old buses and barricaded the roads for weeks on end

01:21:54.640 um it ripped apart american society to a degree yeah the draft uh because it was such a

01:22:03.120 effect it was a fairly unjust war well don't get into that with vietnam because yeah anyway that's

01:22:08.320 a whole different story the draft is unpopular very and this will be of course as well the massively

01:22:14.480 massively unpopular no one's gonna be no one's chomping at the bit to go and fight and die for

01:22:18.880 zelensky and i think to end the segment on that note i think it's almost like a test testing the

01:22:27.280 waters that's why you're seeing a lot of these headlines about conscription and everything it's

01:22:32.320 almost like testing the public's reaction and the vast majority are saying i don't want to fight for

01:22:38.080 the trilateral commission or the tony blair institute or uh the i don't know people even

01:22:44.320 saying the wef people like that um no because this is an elite problem this is the establishment

01:22:51.120 problem and we're all pawns in this game and it's so sad it's genuinely just sad and people

01:22:57.520 have are fatigued from from wars we don't we just don't want it just don't want it ground

01:23:03.600 go and fight and die in the donbass four on behalf of some faceless nameless war planners

01:23:11.040 at the state department in dc and pentagon i don't know these people i don't know what's

01:23:16.880 what's in their heart and soul and in their mind what their motivations are who pulls their strings

01:23:22.000 but we've got to be conscripted to go and fight and die in eastern europe yeah no thanks no pass

01:23:26.800 that's a hard pass cheers yeah that's it right let's go to the comments here bold eagle 1787 says i'm

01:23:36.480 waiting to see if poland and romania jump on ukraine in its weakened state to reclaim their land their

01:23:42.160 land they lost the thread note says never get involved in a land war in asia and never mess with

01:23:47.760 a sicilian when death is on the line quotation marks bow before dying of iocaine poisoning

01:23:56.240 iocaine poisoning yeah it's a reference to the princess bride yeah and you've seen princess

01:24:01.200 surprise no i've not seen that all right it's not as lame as it sounds and all right yeah i was

01:24:05.920 gonna say it's actually a really really good film it was a romantic comedy it's a cult it's a cult

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01:24:20.960 lotus eaters.com right cheers buddy let's go to the video comments i appreciate that

01:24:25.360 are there any uh samson are you there do we have any video comments yeah i think he's clicking on him

01:24:39.440 right now there we go yep steve h another of my heroes is raymond lowey progenitor of industrial

01:24:49.840 design he came to new york a french immigrant and made his living doing commercial illustrations he had

01:24:54.080 his eye on the pennsylvania railroad and after petitioning them endlessly they finally relented

01:24:58.400 and gave him a project to design a garbage can he did so so successfully eventually was the head

01:25:02.880 designer for the railroad this culminated in the legendary duplex locomotives the fastest most

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01:25:12.560 his prestigious design firm designed many things we'd find familiar today here's a man who set out to

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01:25:34.080 we'll unlock the ninth chakra with this excellent thanks through the day let's go the next one

01:26:04.080 mr friday's show due to some helene induced technical difficulties look out for each other out there

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01:26:25.040 good luck hope you're all right yeah good luck best right so let's go to the we have another one

01:26:32.160 keith kaiser i will not fight and die for other countries if the uk was under threat i'd defend

01:26:37.120 my homeland but russia ukraine israel palestine f no it's no britain's right okay let's go to the

01:26:44.800 comments rue the day podcast of the sexy lads always a joy to see lewis on oh that's nice and

01:26:52.320 that texas gal always nice to have lewis on so you you won the female vote i've won the female vote have

01:26:58.960 i right so that's awesome thank you europe is at a crossroads oh i see the regime was punishing that

01:27:04.560 guy because he's a violent rapey asshole lancelot the far left are indeed scum they're having rallies

01:27:11.840 in support of hezbollah here public support for a terrorist group is not only legal under australian

01:27:17.280 law but also treason but they won't get arrested and you know why well there seems to be generalized

01:27:22.560 impunity and whenever whenever there are numbers there is a sort of reluctance of the state and

01:27:28.960 the government to enforce the law based ape that clip of left is chanting at those of grieving people

01:27:34.640 makes me violently angry how dare you be sad your daughter was murdered she was sacrificed to the

01:27:39.840 gods of immigration on the altar of progress you should be grateful you heathen non-believer

01:27:46.320 peter harvey migration will always be but it should be limited the migrant may not be ethnically

01:27:52.080 part of the country they migrate too but they have to at a minimum become culturally part of the

01:27:57.280 country if they can't be if they can't they should leave then they're saying when in rome be like the

01:28:03.120 romans now let's go to the do you want bo do you want to read some of your comments yeah if i can see

01:28:11.120 i can read them for you yeah when okay yeah if you would please yeah okay arizona desert rat you can

01:28:16.640 tell the tampon tim has never worked at a middle school or high school he thinks that the tampons in the

01:28:21.840 boys bathroom will be used by trans boys why they will actually be used for is pranks around the

01:28:27.520 school campus yeah i did a segment about it and yeah that was just it's a no-brainer that's what

01:28:34.240 that's bound to happen bleach demon says the most bizarre accidental moments from the knucklehead tampon

01:28:39.760 tim said was i've become friends with school shooters let the conspiracy theories begin yeah he

01:28:46.080 called himself a knucklehead at one point yeah knucklehead tampon tim that they've got to be his

01:28:52.080 his epithets his monikers that's what he's known goes down in history as that's knucklehead tampon tim

01:28:58.400 that sounds a bit mad maxi you know if you have lyrics on the one hand big enemy on man

01:29:03.680 knucklehead temple tampon tim the letter m isn't friends with shooters

01:29:09.120 this was the first time i really had listened to senator vance watching this debate it was amazing

01:29:15.600 he did so well perfect pick for the former president i think i think he adds stuff to trump

01:29:21.760 they they fit together yeah and a normal human being basically right right which is really what

01:29:28.800 you don't get with a lot of the and omar awad said speaking of china i had heard vance pointed at

01:29:34.320 the hypocrisy in pushing green policy while offloading manufacturing to as he says quotation marks dirty

01:29:41.520 china should i do yeah let's so chris reece says the only time i would conscript is if i go in the space

01:29:49.120 of my son uh as he's coming to the age of 18 otherwise why would i fight for a country that hates me

01:29:55.440 um derek can i say one thing about this it seems to me that a lot of people are conflating country with

01:30:00.640 government sure exactly oh we did some we did say that though yeah it's always the establishment the

01:30:06.880 elite it's an elite establishment problem it's never ever the people at the bottom because they're not

01:30:12.000 dying absolutely absolutely um derek power says dying for another nation is no different than

01:30:18.080 subscribing to only fans uh cryptic you know very correctly i feel like it's slightly different yeah a

01:30:25.760 little bit different uh i guess at the point they make it yeah um that's the vessel terracism

01:30:32.320 bleach demon says bow makes an interesting point there is a strange notion in the halls of power that

01:30:37.120 borders are static since 45 or maybe 92 um omar says if we truly enter the work if we truly enter the

01:30:45.840 worst timeline it would be interesting to see how they implement their two-tier draft colin p says fight for

01:30:52.560 my country probably fight for the regime nope um and michael brooks says couldn't agree more with bow

01:30:59.040 all wars are a human tragedy however we have no business fighting there and we have uh two more

01:31:05.200 uh one is by win pill seeker says clarification he lied about fearing spices he has spice prizes for

01:31:11.840 his spicy chili but he told everyone he isn't spicy to appeal to white people yeah and by threat note more

01:31:19.600 people would buy islander if stellio sang his advertisement section also if colin's promotion

01:31:25.680 had him dressed as the guy on his mug yes thank you very much and on that note we have run out of time

01:31:32.560 i hope you enjoyed it i really enjoyed our conversation today i hope you did as well and

01:31:38.080 we are going to be here tomorrow at 1 p.m and hope to see you all there goodbye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 02, 2024

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1013

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