The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1018

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the podcast of the lotus eaters for wednesday the 9th of october 2024

00:00:13.460 i can't believe it's that late in the year but i am your host connor joined by harry hello and

00:00:17.880 finally after such a long time my friend good to see you charlie down yes great to be back

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00:01:32.000 to our friends across the pond and i'm sure liz agrees but without further ado we will be discussing

00:01:37.900 how they're hiding the immigration numbers from us how reform should learn lessons from europe

00:01:42.080 something we both certainly agree on and wikipedia's information war because a trans activist is trying

00:01:46.980 to bury the history of the grooming gangs very gross what a surprise yeah shock oh i wonder what

00:01:53.280 possible external motivation they could have for covering up instances of child grooming

00:01:58.040 oh peas in a pod and all curious anyway without further ado turns out the uk government are once

00:02:05.160 again burying information on both legal and illegal migration and because the data is so difficult to

00:02:10.800 get a hold of various outlets have tried to compile it but i will be showing you how they're not only

00:02:16.020 vast underestimations but also exactly what the motivation is to bury this information it's always used

00:02:22.840 to have this as one big resource that we can cite and that you can share to other people when they

00:02:27.600 accuse you of being a conspiracy theorist because you don't have these numbers given to you by central

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00:03:00.560 we begin with something that you were discussing actually today on the ones uh charlie which is

00:03:06.220 the statistics that show that mass immigration has been the leading fuel yet again of the only reason

00:03:12.480 the uk population is growing i'll just quickly read from this um net migration drove the fastest

00:03:17.320 population rise for 53 years with 68.2 million people now residents not legal or illegal there's

00:03:25.020 no distinction here by the way in the uk by the middle of 2023 the 662 400 person increase on 2022

00:03:32.780 was one percent of the whole population added and represented the largest annual percentage and

00:03:38.840 numerical increase since data began in 1971 the growth was driven entirely by net migration because

00:03:45.880 more people died than were born in britain for the first time in 50 years we can't use the r word

00:03:53.260 that is a synonym for substitution but it's obvious that this is what's happening here because if you

00:03:59.660 have a falling birth rate if you have more of the native population dying than are being born and then you

00:04:04.340 subsidize bring in mass imported foreign labor then you get one population being swamped out with the

00:04:13.040 other population and it's almost like the recreation of various conditions of failed states in various

00:04:19.200 towns and cities across britain were directly predictable consequence of this who could have

00:04:23.820 thought it this comes off the back obviously of uh the information coming out that britain is now the

00:04:28.280 illegal immigration capital of europe having about 750 000 illegal migrants in our country which is more

00:04:33.480 than any other european nation finally we're number one at something right indeed and obviously that's a drop

00:04:37.940 in the bucket when it comes when in comparison to legal migration um but the point is our country

00:04:43.420 is just being completely swamped with people with biomass from the third world primarily because

00:04:48.600 you can smell the gdp 80 to 90 percent of migrants to britain are from non-eea countries right so these

00:04:54.920 are countries that don't have an awful lot in common with britain to say the least um but what's not

00:04:59.380 included in this story uh this this uh story that says the population has grown by one percent in a year

00:05:04.220 which in and of itself is mental is that in the previous year the year to june 2022 the population

00:05:09.580 grew by 0.9 so in two years our population has grown by 1.28 million which works out if you uh divide

00:05:16.800 the uh land mass of the british isles by the number of people that have come in that's an average of 11

00:05:22.440 new people per square mile of land in the british isles that's staggering and these are just the people

00:05:28.840 that we know are here as well yes there is certainly people who've overstayed visas people who got in

00:05:33.700 through other means that we weren't keeping track of because even with the illegal migrants that we

00:05:37.780 know who did get in who knows how many got in that we didn't keep track of well this this is crucial

00:05:43.400 because in 2007 the supermarkets tesco sainsbury's etc were predicting that the population of britain

00:05:48.760 was about 80 million this is 2007 and this the statistics that have come out in the last couple

00:05:52.600 of days have britain's population in 2024 at 67 million so so the the 70 million from 2007 i mean

00:05:59.860 we don't the point is we don't know how many people are in britain we don't know and it's no

00:06:03.220 wonder therefore that our public services are grinding to a halt i i have seen some people

00:06:06.800 suggest given what you've said about 2007 that's you know 17 years ago at this point with the

00:06:11.860 population spike that's happened in the in the tory years we might even be looking at something like

00:06:16.660 100 million total people who are in the country right now well on that i know that at least the

00:06:21.740 population estimates are factually wrong we'll get onto that illegal migration number in a second i'm

00:06:25.940 just going to read a couple more statistics from there just to put it in scale because when you say

00:06:29.020 they're from non-eu nations the ons said that immigration to the uk was driven by work-related

00:06:34.020 arrivals from outside the eu which rose from 227 000 in 2022 to 423 000 in 2023 bear in mind before that

00:06:42.760 it was basically the equivalent number of non-eu students here so the moment they slashed student

00:06:47.560 visas and dependents the skilled workers we'll get onto that in a moment and nhs and social care workers

00:06:55.080 and all their dependents just substituted and made up the shortfall so we're getting the

00:06:58.740 exact same number of record net migrants if i may very quickly as well of the 1.2 million visas

00:07:03.420 handed out in the last two years almost half went to india pakistan china and nigeria so again these

00:07:09.660 are countries that apart from the empire where we ruled these countries culturally these are

00:07:14.580 the idea of cultural proximity these countries are very far away not just geographically but in terms of

00:07:19.660 their history and and their and their culture and they might even have active ethnic antagonisms towards

00:07:24.880 the british host population i mean one that certainly does which robert jenrich's pointed out

00:07:28.180 is that in the last year alone we gave out more family reunification visas to somali nationals because

00:07:34.240 of course we have to battery farm all the somalians and social housing than to chemists physicists and

00:07:40.520 engineers from all other nations combined thank goodness

00:07:44.560 of all of the ethnic groups that we've always looked into somalis have always been the ones who

00:07:53.100 add the least and that's that's a really really high bar to hit is adding the least to britain when you

00:08:00.520 come in here but in london it's still what only one in four london somalis don't live in social housing

00:08:06.700 and that they're the ones that we're trying to really we've got to cast the net out and bring all of the

00:08:11.760 rest of them in because god damn it there's social housing in london that isn't occupied yet maybe

00:08:16.740 yeah and also uh for anyone probably they need to fit 15 more people per unit for anyone who has

00:08:22.660 stumbled across this channel isn't familiar with us before and is using the tired old platitude of

00:08:26.080 that means you're a racist um check out what my friend ian hersi ali born in somalia thinks of

00:08:31.280 somalians and uh then accuses of the same thing anyway um moving on to the illegal migration figures

00:08:36.460 because this is something else that's being buried from us um they have estimated that britain is the

00:08:40.840 illegal migrant capital of europe because an oxford university study has said there are up to 745

00:08:47.500 000 illegal migrants in the uk that's double the 300 000 in france and ahead of the upper estimate

00:08:53.660 700 000 in germany now bear in mind two things one that is almost the same number of illegal migrants

00:09:01.480 as was let in legally last year in 2022 this was the revised figure up to 762 000 but it's by far and

00:09:10.340 most likely more this is something we've discussed before because in 2017 pew research said with this

00:09:14.680 little diagram here that because tony blair abolished exit checks in 1998 meaning those visa overstays you

00:09:19.600 mentioned were not policed there were between 800 000 and 1.2 million people illegally in the uk

00:09:26.780 you add on top of even that's almost certainly a massive underestimate add on top of that the

00:09:32.820 recorded because some people obviously weren't recorded on lorries and dinghies recorded number of

00:09:37.080 channel crosses since 2018 being now 140 000 people that's at least 1.3 million so where did they get

00:09:42.980 that half number from from the oxford university study i want to see their methodology and they're

00:09:47.880 currently saying that means one in 100 people is an illegal migrant well hang on a minute not only

00:09:52.380 have you added two percent of the entire population here in the last two years from legal migration

00:09:55.960 but that means that one in 50 people if we're using that number is an illegal migrant in the uk

00:10:00.380 so two percent of the population of the uk that we know of is here illegally and and the point on

00:10:05.780 this is that no mainstream party has expressed any real will to deal with these people because any

00:10:11.300 party that wants to stand as opposition to the kind of governing order that we've had since 1997

00:10:15.720 needs to commit to deporting every single illegal immigrant in britain because anything less

00:10:20.220 is is is weak and pathetic because the rule of law means nothing yeah because because these people

00:10:25.120 you know you hear talk of deporting foreign criminals when it's actually well by definition

00:10:28.760 every illegal immigrant who's in the country is a foreign criminal right i think a lot of people

00:10:34.260 are put off by the um more squeamish aspects of what that will entail because that would mean

00:10:39.480 actively hunting these people down which is absolutely a necessary step to getting rid of

00:10:44.840 them well the thing is you know people people imagine you know there's all sorts of images that

00:10:48.300 are sort of conjured into the mind when you talk about deportations um and you know let's be honest

00:10:52.860 it's not going to be a particularly pleasant thing to have to do but it's not you know there are times in

00:10:57.980 history where civilizations if they wish to survive and continue and to not descend into chaos murder

00:11:03.620 and and just anarchy they have to do things that make people uncomfortable and the point is we

00:11:08.240 haven't had leaders in this country for so long who have been prepared to do things that make people

00:11:12.360 uncomfortable now keir starmer to his credit which i say you know carefully has said that he wants to

00:11:18.720 do things uh that that aren't popular right and this would be one such example if he was prepared to

00:11:23.700 do this then hey you know it's just the native british population who he makes an enemy of

00:11:27.900 rather than and this this is one more thing that i will say mass deportations does not need to be

00:11:33.780 um mainly because the nazis didn't practice this loathing them on a train and shipping them to a very

00:11:38.800 cold concentration camp in poland nobody wants that instead you can just uphold the law like

00:11:44.020 knee bekele did arrest a bunch of criminals um deport them back to their countries of origin

00:11:48.740 um if the countries don't want to take them you do as trump and even robert jenrich has proposed

00:11:53.160 penalize them with visas and tariffs and sanctions um and just send them back yeah and you you can do

00:11:59.620 it all without needing to be cruel it's just upholding the law as you are obliged to do as the

00:12:05.640 government of the day and by the way harry this uh this study uh that has 1.2 as many as 1.2 million

00:12:10.780 illegal migrants in the country in 2017 of those 1.2 million half they say have been here for over

00:12:16.740 five years um and i said this on deprogrammed i said i don't you know even if they've been here

00:12:20.980 for 50 years even if they've been here even if they're you know in old age it doesn't matter this

00:12:25.380 shouldn't matter this is a matter of principle this was a big controversy that i saw the bbc and other

00:12:29.620 outlets moaning about a few years ago when some uh man who was part of the windrush generation had

00:12:35.240 been here illegally since the 60s or 70s and he was being deported they're saying this is terrible he's

00:12:40.920 basically british at this point well no he wasn't he wasn't he was here illegally and this is the law

00:12:45.600 being upheld yes quite um just a interesting stat for again anyone saying oh these are just poor

00:12:50.560 refugees fleeing war 52 in 2017 that were estimated to be here were from asian countries one in five

00:12:57.500 20 were from sub-saharan countries and one in 10 were from the middle east and north africa so they

00:13:01.980 crossed entire continents full of safe countries to arrive in britain presumably to exploit our general

00:13:07.100 benefits program so they probably go back home for holiday once a year anyway oh many of them go

00:13:11.840 back to afghanistan so the idea that as nigel faraj says we can't do that because what you're going to

00:13:15.400 send them back to the taliban um no they're going back to their own accord so yeah we can actually

00:13:19.080 um interesting now we've got a thousand crossing in a day so this was 973 migrants and 17 boats

00:13:25.300 came over the last weekend this was a record for 24 24 beating the 882 people on the 18th of june

00:13:32.060 um french authorities were saying isn't it tragic because four people died actually during the

00:13:36.420 process of this including one france why did you let that happen well including one two-year-old boy

00:13:41.320 who was trampled to death now that detail is included in there could obviously make you go

00:13:44.560 oh dear oh this is so tragic immediately we must let all these people in legally it makes me think

00:13:50.060 uh why would i want a bunch of child murderers let into my country and it is and it is tragic but the

00:13:53.760 fact of the matter is not only are the french not doing anything to prevent this but in britain we

00:13:57.680 we we we have an economy that encourages this kind of behavior it encourages people to come here

00:14:02.560 illegally and to enter this kind of black market economy i remember reading a statistic that had

00:14:06.180 something like 50 percent of deliveroo drivers as illegal immigrants right we have all of these

00:14:10.560 this these various areas of the economy that are not regularly regulated properly and therefore

00:14:15.000 enable um people who shouldn't be here who've come here illegally to get work and bring their entire

00:14:19.420 families with them yeah i noticed down some stats because i you know sometimes a bit of a snap nerd

00:14:24.400 like this it's been 140 000 around that recorded people coming since 2018 across the channel

00:14:30.100 the number of brits that participated in the d-day landings were less than that the number of total

00:14:36.480 allied soldiers at d-day landings was 156 000 so by this time next year we're going to get more

00:14:41.160 illegal migrants that have broken in via dover beaches than we stormed the beaches of normandy

00:14:46.380 during the second world war how does that not constitute an invasion is absolutely mad which is to

00:14:50.540 say nothing of the fact that the norman conquest was only about 10 000 men yeah quite well again we've had

00:14:55.580 more immigration between 1997 and now than came between 1066 and 1945 so mass demographic change

00:15:02.800 has not been exactly brilliant there's something else to consider which isn't always brought up with

00:15:07.600 this which is that one way or another these people are going to go back it's the circumstances in which

00:15:13.960 they're going to go back which we need to decide right now because it's acknowledged widely that we're

00:15:18.600 in a decline britain is in a massive decline we are not the world power that we once were in fact

00:15:23.060 uh we are becoming one of the poorer countries across all of europe and a global laughing stop

00:15:28.460 and a global laughing stop if a decline is not halted and sometimes it has to be halted through

00:15:33.520 harsh measures it leads to a collapse at the point of a collapse do you think all of these people who

00:15:38.840 are from much warmer climates in places that share their culture that they feel much more at home in

00:15:43.840 if they don't have a welfare state to keep everything nice and cozy for them are they going to stay we know

00:15:49.580 from history that when collapse comes the diverse population goes home rome by the collapse was

00:15:55.720 massively diverse in its population they all left after the collapse you could call the end of the

00:16:01.720 second world war a collapse and we know that at the end of the second world war there was a massive

00:16:06.860 remigration of different european ethnicities back to their home countries this is what happens

00:16:13.300 so i would like to halt things before we get to the collapse if that's at all possible if that's

00:16:19.220 something that there is a political will to do because i would rather that my children and my

00:16:23.280 grandchildren don't have to suffer through the hardships and terror that will happen very well

00:16:28.880 said unfortunately um as as proven by the popular response within the room at reform conference to us

00:16:33.960 saying we need mass deportations uh there is the support among certain political parties but not the

00:16:39.760 will to do so from the leadership yet uh also i don't think that welfare state will go before the

00:16:45.640 collapse because um as we've learned now as well the migrants are going to be stuck in hotels for now

00:16:50.640 three years because of the asylum backlog they're saying it costs 4.2 million a day but i've seen

00:16:55.700 figures that state that to be much higher damia andrea jenkins before the general election

00:17:00.100 she worked out that actually the asylum uh budget is costing us 14.4 billion a year and then

00:17:07.680 recently nick timothy a conservative mp on a parliamentary debate on the 10th of september

00:17:11.980 dug into the new plan by home secretary yvette cooper now there's a big asylum backlog right so

00:17:17.320 what you would do is you'd process the the claims um or you just say if you broke into the country

00:17:21.680 illegally you don't get to claim asylum because you're a criminal and you'd send them back and

00:17:24.560 save the british money instead yvette cooper with her throbbing brain has decided she's going to give

00:17:30.020 flat amnesty to 70 which is much higher than all of the other european nations doing so

00:17:36.180 it doesn't really matter about their claims she's going to rubber stamp it through and so that's

00:17:40.080 going to bring the overall cost up to 17.8 billion pounds and there was what the 22 billion pound

00:17:48.520 budgeting black hole magic that isn't it now the reason reason for that is um all of the asylum

00:17:54.900 costs are folded into our foreign aid budget so we spend most of our foreign aid budget within britain

00:17:58.540 on foreigners and that would take two years to pass as an act of parliament to cut and the obr works on

00:18:04.000 an annual cycle so they say well you can't cut that because you've got to make savings this year

00:18:07.080 so you can only cut the pensions which don't require an act of parliament well just on this

00:18:11.700 topic i mean i had this conversation with someone recently you know there will have been a meeting

00:18:14.740 where starmer and his spads and his advisors and so on sat down and said right we've got this big

00:18:19.660 black hole in the economy how are we going to fill it okay let's go down the list of all the things

00:18:23.060 we can cut a to ukraine and israel no can't cut that putting up illegal migrants in hotels feeding and

00:18:28.780 clothing them no can't cut that uh paying subsidizing the lives of legal migrants uh by the way only 29

00:18:35.520 of whom actually break even and contribute to the economy rather than taking from it according to

00:18:39.840 research done by the migration advisory committee can't cut that uh winter fuel allowance to pensioners

00:18:44.580 yeah let's go for that let's freeze the old people that's because they're all voting tory though

00:18:48.000 aren't they that and also that it's you know of those constituencies that that were just listed they

00:18:51.600 are the only ones that won't fight back yeah they're not they're not a client group and they're

00:18:55.360 incapable of mobilizing an actual threat to labor the only thing i will correct you on is um we

00:18:59.420 don't actually give aid to israel we give arm sales and they cut what about three percent of those in

00:19:04.480 a performative gesture by mistake militantly islamic uh voter base who are going to be abandoning them

00:19:09.720 for islamic candidates anyway um also if you think that this is only the last three years uh sorry to

00:19:14.540 break it to you it stretches back 17 years because we're only now processing asylum claims for people

00:19:18.900 from the blair years brilliant yeah thanks tone even even tony is horrified at this kind of news

00:19:25.680 though isn't he if only you hear him now and he he's with us on this right he's talking about how

00:19:30.380 after brexit you know mostly most immigration has come from non-eea countries that's a choice though

00:19:35.120 well sure what he's trying to do is reinstate freedom of movement basically atop infinity african

00:19:39.980 and he wants digital id as well that's yeah at the moment he does look like if only you knew how bad

00:19:44.020 things really were um it turns out the oldest case in the system is 17 years old 19 other cases

00:19:48.200 were between 10 and 16 years old so we're actually going to be paying this cost forever um legal or

00:19:53.680 illegal though again big distraction because legal is more turns out it costs us absolutely loads of

00:19:58.760 money um the obr half admitted the cost of mass illegal immigration and legal migration but the

00:20:06.840 telegraph again had to painstakingly put these details together because the government are hiding this

00:20:10.620 data from you so here's some interesting facts here a report for the long-term outlook of public

00:20:15.940 finances from the obr confirms what people have known for a long time mass low-skilled migration

00:20:21.120 is a financial disaster for britain the obr assumes net migration of around 400 000 a year for the next 50

00:20:26.860 years in this modeling it's at least double that so this is the low end estimate or even triple that

00:20:33.900 often the obr then models the fiscal profile of a low-wage migrant worker on less than 50 percent of the

00:20:40.200 uk average wage by the time they each reach 81 they'll have cost the taxpayer 465 000 pounds

00:20:48.000 bear in mind this is the vast majority of post-brexit migration this also doesn't account for second

00:20:53.720 generation migrants who are born here repeat the same economic and criminal patterns of their parents

00:20:58.700 and go through the school system at extra cost and it is compared against the native british citizen

00:21:04.180 who is still a net taxpaying contributor despite having been born here going through the education and

00:21:09.620 early years health care system and presumably costing more during those times so the numbers

00:21:15.860 are even fudged two two additional points very quickly there we did some research that had the

00:21:19.940 obr overstating the annual earnings of migrants since 2021 by about 14 billion pounds this is for

00:21:26.220 the center of migration control indeed bearing in mind the obr informs treasury policy as well as

00:21:30.720 immigration policy so if they're saying that mass migration is this tremendous benefit to the economy

00:21:34.300 well the government listens may i ask in those overestimates how were they finding this miraculous

00:21:39.920 extra 14 billion they were adding so they were assuming that the uh employment living uh lifestyle

00:21:46.020 uh profiles of migrants is exactly the same as native british uh people which of course it's not

00:21:51.360 um and so and so barber shops they really add a lot and they and they were they were forecasting on

00:21:56.620 the basis of things that were actually impossible for migra because migrants especially students are only

00:22:01.420 allowed to work a certain number of hours a week and they were assuming that students especially

00:22:05.400 were working the kind of average number of hours so like a 40 hour exactly which is it's illegal it's

00:22:11.400 illegal for them to do that would also be insane if you're actually a student well exactly as well

00:22:16.060 try and do that on top and and in addition uh recently the i forget the name of the bill it was

00:22:20.660 something like the budget responsibility bill was passed by the labor government uh in order to prevent

00:22:24.980 another liz trust mini budget type scenario from happening as is you know this kind of mythos

00:22:29.400 who would never want to cut taxes says the labor party i'll be going into that later as they

00:22:33.920 legislated but what what this has done is it ceded even more power to the office for budget

00:22:38.600 responsibility which is one of these i think it was set up and uh in the early years of the cameron

00:22:43.340 administration um it's just one of these quango you know it's and it's full of leftists and they

00:22:48.900 don't have the extension of the blairite project exactly they constantly get things wrong as well i mean

00:22:53.600 one example i was given was that they had said that non-doms were bringing in lots of revenue

00:23:00.680 under the um stewardship of hunt and sunak at the treasury and then immediately now that labor want

00:23:07.540 to cut it they've turned around said oh actually no non-doms are costing us loads of money so

00:23:11.080 convenient so a bunch of leftists can't calculate economics right imagine my shark yeah yes um so

00:23:18.720 the telegraph has done something here because they weren't given the original stats by the obr so

00:23:22.940 they've used robert jenrich and neil o'brien's paper that we've covered before on this show work in 2023

00:23:28.820 and they compared skilled worker visas to native british salary data and they found 72 percent of

00:23:36.220 skilled workers were earning less than the average uk salary and 54 percent were on less than half the

00:23:43.000 average salary equivalent to the obr's low wage migrant so half of the skilled workers brought

00:23:48.740 into this country which is the majority as we said at the start responsible for the population change

00:23:53.180 in the uk in the last year are on less than half of the average uk salary so that means 60 percent of

00:23:59.720 workers on skilled worker visas are net tax recipients this leaves five percent of all total visas going to

00:24:06.880 higher skilled migrants who are net contributors that's that's an optimistic estimate again by the age of 81

00:24:12.680 for every one pound contributed to the hmrc the treasury by high wage high wage migrants the larger

00:24:19.940 lower wage migrant groups will have costed one pound sixty so it's just a net outflow of what 60 percent

00:24:26.620 yeah and this is to say nothing of the 1.5 million totally economically inactive migrants

00:24:31.140 which they bring over in their droves in equivalent numbers to the number of skilled worker visas so in

00:24:36.100 the obr's baseline scenario because they don't outline this the telegraph had to put it together because they're

00:24:39.620 hiding the stats from you again of the average wage migration the uk's debt to gdp ratio even the most

00:24:45.500 optimistic is going to rise to 274 by 2074 it's currently 100 that's higher than japan who's currently going for a

00:24:52.440 debt crisis in the worst case scenario where they keep importing the same level of low wage migration it's 351

00:24:59.060 percent of gdp that is a failed state well that's collapse yeah so we're not going to avert the collapse

00:25:05.000 unfortunately um again notice how mps and telegraph had to compile this together um i'll just finish up

00:25:09.720 with as well we're bringing in lots of criminals isn't that fantastic uh martin dormy decided to go

00:25:13.260 through this um spewing some hate facts on on twitter uh great man actually one of the best people

00:25:18.540 on gb news he noted that muslims are 2.5 times more likely to be in jail and black people are three

00:25:23.500 times more likely to be in jail this doesn't break down between first and second generation though

00:25:26.820 those are basically the exact same stats that we got out of denmark who do do that and yet yet again

00:25:31.960 those are the populations that commit the most crime and we're now bringing them over en masse

00:25:36.460 as 80 percent of our record annual net migration and the driving force of population change and then

00:25:42.160 the telegraph decided to break this down according to a migrant league table again this was not brought

00:25:47.500 out by the government they had to compare ons data ministry of justice data and do some inferences so

00:25:52.780 it's likely a lot worse but one in 50 albanians in the uk is in prison that's a criminal state

00:25:59.500 that's that's just a giant mafia gang that's 1200 albanians have been sent to prison from a migrant

00:26:05.280 population of 53 000 they are the head of the table of 130 nationalities uh ranked on prison population

00:26:13.440 per 10 000 of the population in the uk uh they're followed by kosovans vietnamese algerians jamaicans

00:26:19.640 eritreans known for fighting with sticks on camberwell road iraqis and da da somalians who

00:26:25.140 are clearly busy contributing to the gdp um this is shows that foreign nationals are 27 higher than

00:26:31.240 british citizens to be imprisoned um there was also the recent thing was it center for migration

00:26:35.240 control that did that it was foi requests that found it's 34 percent higher that was us that was us

00:26:40.020 yeah good man good work so migrants are arrested much higher when it's only 14 per 10 000 according to

00:26:47.500 the uk um again government didn't release this this was a painstaking project pieced together by

00:26:52.680 the telegraph and the last one to annoy you because we're talking about albanians um an albanian criminal

00:26:57.000 who's already deported then broke back into the uk and got given uh the right to leave the right to

00:27:03.740 stay sorry under article 8 of the echar um because he had a baby with his lithuanian girlfriend and then

00:27:11.180 got married so everyone involved in this is a foreign criminal because she's basically handling stolen

00:27:15.580 goods right so she's aiding and abetting that's a way of putting it yeah oh she is she's she's a

00:27:20.940 she's an assistant to burglary because he got done for burglary so she's she knows he broke in

00:27:24.740 illegally they then have a child so basically anchor them into the country they then get married

00:27:28.360 they then appeal to an international foreign court which was set up to protect jewish refugees

00:27:32.180 not migrant criminals and then they just have to live here forever and we're paying for them

00:27:37.280 great so in summary um don't expect transparency from the government because the purpose of a system

00:27:42.460 was what it does and the system keeps importing foreign criminals that you have to pay the bed

00:27:46.640 and board for at our expense so it'd be great if a dissident political party picked up on this um

00:27:52.820 still waiting we've got some rumble super chats before we dive into yours okay uh so twenty dollars

00:27:59.160 thank you very much very generous from sad wings raging outworking and listening good man um you're

00:28:04.100 not somalian can't wait to grasp the health of my black sword chain it to my wrist and await the god

00:28:07.900 emperor trump to declare exterminatus in minecraft of course in minecraft that was an

00:28:12.000 incredibly high class fed post right there thanks yes um yeah we do not allow any violence of any

00:28:18.160 any form um spiritual crusade talking about 40k obviously yeah of course go cross the tyranids

00:28:23.280 or whatever um that's a random name for one dollar um a lot of bulgarians i know here in canada hate

00:28:28.180 the west and are only here for the money they then plan to retire back to bulgaria now imagine what

00:28:32.460 non-european non-christians think the west shake my head yeah did anyone read the blog post from

00:28:36.500 kemi badenok in 2010 you know our base black woman candidate that even this podcast spent time promoting

00:28:40.580 that says she's going to make it easier for nigerians to send money home we are literally

00:28:45.720 just an economic extraction zone that's something people don't talk about by the way is like remittance

00:28:49.000 payments is a huge problem it's just money flowing out of the country and it incentivizes

00:28:53.160 migration yep ban the lot anyway charlie take it away so as you may or may not be aware uh the far

00:28:59.280 right are sweeping across europe winning victories in many different countries and this is terrifying

00:29:04.100 and evil and i disavow okay but i thought it might be interesting for us to take a look

00:29:08.620 at what's happening in europe uh have a look at where uh certain parties are being successful and

00:29:13.600 why they're being successful and what we in britain can learn from their examples so first of all in

00:29:18.600 austria recently the freedom party led by herbert kickel very good man uh came first in the general

00:29:23.620 election on the 19th of september winning just shy of 30 percent of the vote uh in and in germany the

00:29:29.860 afd of course as i'm sure you've covered a lot um andreas uh kalbitz here in the brandenburg state

00:29:36.100 won uh 23 seats 38 in saxony and 22 in thuringian um france the national rally led by jordan bardella

00:29:44.360 and marine le pen won the european parliament elections in a landslide with 31.4 percent of

00:29:49.380 the votes causing macron to announce a staff election uh to try and garner more support for

00:29:53.660 him and his party uh later that month an nr-led coalition topped the first round of the election

00:29:58.640 with a record of 33.2 percent of the votes and on the 7th of july the national rally won the popular

00:30:04.560 vote in the second round of the snap election with the third highest number of seats at 37.06 percent

00:30:10.400 of the votes a lot of these votes as well are led by people of our demographic oh we'll be getting to

00:30:14.660 that don't you worry about that good man next up the netherlands uh obviously this is not quite so

00:30:18.780 recent but get wilders party for freedom uh came first in the 2023 election winning 23.49 percent of

00:30:24.900 the votes and hungary again not a recent thing but more of an ongoing uh force in european politics led by

00:30:31.460 the fidesz party uh with headed by victor orban um is essentially acting as a model for right-wing

00:30:37.620 parties across europe um and and what they should be doing and the interesting thing about hungary i'm

00:30:42.480 going to speak a little bit more about hungary here is that they have we were in hungary earlier

00:30:45.920 this year together um and we were romantic oh it was yeah very very it was a nice little getaway

00:30:51.340 we walked along the uh the the danube holding you walked along the border wall together yeah pushing

00:30:57.000 out migrants yeah and we looked into the sunset and we thought if only people knew how could how

00:31:01.480 good things could be don't worry we burned a pride flag to make sure it's not gay indeed yes um but

00:31:05.680 we we were we were an event called mcc fest uh which was put on by an organization called the

00:31:11.000 matthias covinus collegium which is yeah styles itself as a kind of it's almost like a university

00:31:15.920 a think tank um but the point is mcc is woven into the government they receive funding from the

00:31:21.280 government they're deeply embedded with the government and so what you know what you should sort of take

00:31:25.700 from that is essentially in hungary what they have is what we have in britain but in britain it's

00:31:30.740 left-wing where we have this vast network of ngos think tanks um media outlets entertainment all of

00:31:38.500 which are are interlinked um so i can blade runner interlinked um and and form this kind of absolutely

00:31:45.720 towering incomprehensibly complex uh system um that seems to exist to act against the interests of the

00:31:52.340 british people but in hungary it's the inverse they have this vast incomprehensibly complex network

00:31:57.240 of based right-wing organizations like mcc who are acting in the interest of the hungarian people

00:32:02.080 um and this i think is again as i say a model to follow well there were a lot of young people in

00:32:06.760 the crowd as well oh yeah oh yeah the main the main message of fidesz and mcc and that is be proud to

00:32:12.340 be hungarian have more children uh be wholesome and so it's it's an explicitly right-wing pro-family

00:32:20.260 message and it's attracting lots of young people not just to go to concerts and socialize but

00:32:25.760 because they're actually interested in upholding the the values and the heritage and the history

00:32:30.000 of their country so it's possible and the great thing about mcc fest was by day it was a three-day

00:32:34.240 event by day it was a politics culture philosophy kind of conference with various different panels

00:32:40.320 talking about various different issues you spoke on one matt goodwin spoke on one uh various others

00:32:44.800 um and then by night it turned into this which was basically like a music festival and it was great

00:32:49.520 like the music was fantastic the vibes were good all the rest of it um again if only we knew how

00:32:54.560 good things could possibly be which brings us on to the patriots for europe group which is a right-wing

00:32:59.100 group in the european parliament um led by victor orban uh and it it uh involved in it is uh herbert

00:33:06.160 kickle of the freedom party of austria uh georgia maloney's brothers of uh italy um various others

00:33:11.420 there's there's a bunch of parties involved the nr uh the afd actually no the afd are not involved that

00:33:16.000 was a mistake but anyway the point is they are the based right-wing organization in you know why

00:33:19.880 the afd aren't involved in that um i think if i recall correctly it's because of tensions between

00:33:23.820 the afd and fidesz so the hungarian party but don't quote me on that you'll have to look into it

00:33:28.060 um but i just wanted to read out the patriots for europe uh manifesto uh if you'll if you'll just

00:33:33.920 indulge me so they say the nations of europe are at an historic juncture the european union wants a

00:33:39.100 dream project rooted in a desire for reconciliation after the destruction caused by two world wars

00:33:43.900 and decades of division has turned against europeans and now pursues interests contrary

00:33:48.340 to the will of the nations regions and small communities that constitute our european home

00:33:53.160 institutions largely unknown to and removed from european citizens along with strong globalist

00:33:58.040 forces unelected bureaucrats lobbies and interest groups with contempt for the voice of the majority

00:34:03.100 and of popular democracy are planning to replace the nations with what a european central state

00:34:08.540 we believe in a europe of strong proud and independent nations free in their determination

00:34:13.620 to live and cooperate in concord with each other united through institutions with legitimacy rooted

00:34:18.660 in nations mandated by and held accountable to the peoples of europe sovereign and unwavering in

00:34:23.880 the pursuit of its interests free from dependencies that obstruct the fulfillment at home and abroad

00:34:28.680 of the will of its national communities committed to peace and dialogue while ready to defend

00:34:33.600 itself against any threat that safeguards and celebrates its european identity traditions and

00:34:38.580 customs the fruits of its greco-roman and judeo-christian heritage that cherishes the inherent diversity

00:34:44.100 among its nations their history and the way of life while resisting ultimatums to change according to the

00:34:49.260 fashion of the day that champions real freedoms fundamental rights and human dignity while fiercely

00:34:54.260 resisting attempts to limit or redefine these freedoms competitive productive efficient and proud of its

00:34:59.600 intellectual scientific and economic feats as a continent of innovation excellence and progress

00:35:04.420 determined to protect its borders to stop illegal migration and to preserve its cultural identity

00:35:09.640 following the will of the vast majority of european citizens of nations ready to protect their people

00:35:14.960 against any and all potential threats coming from the political economic religious and cultural spheres

00:35:20.380 that respects its own mandate and rules does not act beyond its competencies

00:35:24.200 abides by the principle of subsidiarity and proportionality and ceases to justify its attacks

00:35:29.420 on national sovereignty by applying pressure through the european budget you get the idea there's a

00:35:34.020 couple more bullet points but these are our guys it's very important to note as well that when people

00:35:37.820 hear diversity obviously we have a pavlovian response to that they don't mean capital d diversity

00:35:41.920 which just means non-white they're not rewriting sub-saharans into roaming through the german forests at the

00:35:46.580 times of the angles and saxons instead what they're describing is a alliance of patriotic

00:35:53.460 perennialist nations that recognize one another have distinct traditions that they're not necessarily

00:36:00.120 incompatible in allying against a european super state project that seeks to homogenize and control

00:36:05.840 them all but will essentially leave each other alone to police their own internal border

00:36:10.620 appreciating the grand tapestry of europe and for all its beauty and then you know that does in part

00:36:16.380 come from the diversity of cultures that are there as you say this is not the kind of

00:36:20.720 globo homo version of diversity which views you know different sexualities and different skin

00:36:25.700 colors as constituting uh something you know inherently positive um but anyway i thought it

00:36:32.640 would be interesting for us to look at what all of these parties and organizations have in common

00:36:36.180 so that we can perhaps draw out some principles for winning for victory in britain so first of all

00:36:41.780 is just a cutting-edge digital game for all of them right and this this is actually part of my day job

00:36:48.100 so this is something that i personally am very interested in uh digital strategy jordan bardella

00:36:52.400 the president of the national rally in france is an absolute master at this this is his tiktok page

00:36:57.240 and you might look at that and think oh tiktok cringe but actually tiktok is a hugely important

00:37:01.780 force in modern politics one in four tiktok users are under 20 tiktok has more gen z users than instagram

00:37:07.760 the majority of tiktok creators are aged 18 to 24 and 53.4 percent of tiktok users are female

00:37:13.880 right so this is a a an excellent uh kind of uh demographic uh to tap into i wonder why bardella

00:37:20.180 is doing so well with young well if you look at this example video uh that i've got here um here

00:37:26.580 we go uh if we just play this it's nice we'll only play a bit of it but you can just get

00:37:30.420 the philippine with 19 years old described as a douche discreta and boss

00:37:35.040 so she was in the third year of economics at the university of paris dauphine she was also a

00:37:40.720 young catholic invested in the scouts while she was going to find her family in the iveling

00:37:45.600 we can leave that there you get the idea the point is what bardella is doing is it's a combination i'll

00:37:50.900 show you the next video as well um really high quality videos saying things that are just true

00:37:55.060 so the caption of this video in french translated to english was philippine this is referring to the

00:37:59.220 parisian student who was murdered by uh i think it was a moroccan immigrant uh possibly algerian

00:38:03.720 um her life was stolen from her by a predator who should not have even been on our soil how many

00:38:08.980 tragedies will france have to endure before prompting a reaction from our leaders so he is genuinely

00:38:13.640 speaking truth to power in a well-presented charismatic uh and attractive way because he

00:38:18.680 looked you look at him and he looks like an aspirational figure you know he's a young guy

00:38:22.120 he's only 28 years old bardella young guy well dressed good shape well groomed and i know these

00:38:26.780 things sound so superficial but they really do matter when winning votes because vibes do matter especially

00:38:31.400 in a very video heavy oh yes context this is you took the words right out of my mouth and i've made

00:38:37.020 this point before which is that i would say something like 85 of voters aren't sitting there on their

00:38:42.280 laptop reading through the manifestos of all the various different parties on offer they're

00:38:45.980 voting based on vibes and so when you have a guy like jordan bardella saying things that

00:38:51.480 even 10 years ago would be quite spicy and ultimately beyond the pale for a mainstream party

00:38:57.040 that's incredibly powerful if you move on to the next video um this is uh one that was picked up

00:39:03.000 my politico

00:39:05.540 being exceptionally french yeah very much so

00:39:14.680 you can leave it there and you i mean you see what he's trying to do he's got the combination

00:39:19.460 of high quality well-researched political content and also per sort of um personalizing you know it

00:39:25.720 makes him more personable this is what fraz was trying to do when he kept going to weather spoons

00:39:29.160 yeah did silly things like playing the the slot machines down at yeah clacton yeah and the

00:39:34.180 interesting thing as you've already pointed out is if you look through the comments of this video

00:39:37.000 uh he is particularly uh popular among young women which is hey look lads are on lotus eaters has a

00:39:44.300 large female viewing demographic so it does work jen thought it was about five women there's quite a

00:39:50.140 few okay okay more than i asked this proportionate for right-wing politics as well well i suppose so i

00:39:54.720 suppose so in britain at least i mean in france they seem to have it nailed that's because they've made

00:39:59.020 immigration women's safety issue which needs to be done and the brilliant thing about bardella by

00:40:03.060 the way this isn't in my notes but it's just a point of interest for me on him is his two main

00:40:07.580 issues if you listen to him speak and read his speeches the two issues that he focuses on primarily

00:40:12.420 are immigration and environment okay so environment if you speak to your average young person someone

00:40:17.900 under 30 who is broadly apolitical speak to them and say you know what are your political beliefs

00:40:23.020 eight times out of ten they will say climate change or environment or something like that

00:40:28.640 so bardella and the national rally jumping on the issue of environment and and capturing it and

00:40:32.580 making it a conservative issue is just a brilliant strategy this is what i tried to do in my prior

00:40:36.720 career at the british conservation alliance and my friend chris over in the states has had great

00:40:41.180 success with that with the american version to the point of where he's essentially ingratiated into

00:40:45.080 the republican party platform yeah what you need to do is rather than make it

00:40:48.340 a proto-communist death cult saying that we need to collapse all of civilization to worship the sun

00:40:54.240 god just say don't you like this green and pleasant land wouldn't you rather not build

00:40:57.960 somalian battery farms atop it the ugly concrete monoliths to gdp um yeah vote vote national rally

00:41:04.460 yeah there we go so this was picked up by the mainstream press this uh article here is in

00:41:09.040 particular is from politico um should i grab that it's all right i don't know um i need to remember how

00:41:14.140 this thing works um so europe's far right uses tiktok to win the youth vote and if we uh if we

00:41:18.980 just scroll down oh yeah okay um this article is basically just about how uh you know the quote

00:41:25.400 unquote far right and we all know what that means um has uh embraced uh digital campaigning on

00:41:31.760 platforms like tiktok because it's effective and there is this allergy uh in certainly in sort of

00:41:36.660 respectable political circles to digital campaigning in general but the fact of the matter is we exist in

00:41:41.600 a moment now where most people get their information from uh platforms like x like tiktok facebook etc

00:41:47.020 and if we're unwilling to engage with those um with those tools their tools in the toolbox ultimately

00:41:52.440 if we're unwilling to engage with them then we're going to lose this is what i was talking to dan

00:41:55.680 about yesterday on his show it's that why would you as an insurgent political force like reform

00:42:00.100 schedule at your conference interviews with bbc and sky but not have booths for and i understand

00:42:05.280 there's tensions with some of the folks at lotus eaters but new culture forum or us or invite dan

00:42:10.620 walking along to do a live broadcast because they're not off com regulated they're going to

00:42:13.700 be sympathetic they will be critical but they will be friends and the amount of even boomers that are

00:42:18.760 now cancelling their license fee and not watching terrestrial tv you only stand to gain from this yes

00:42:22.780 they don't want the nigel farage steven edgington treatment indeed perhaps so uh this then brings me

00:42:28.400 on to the next point which is so crucial to understand which is youth engagement uh and this is

00:42:33.360 something that all of these parties understand really really well so this is uh the young alternative

00:42:37.420 which is the afd's youth wing if we go on these pictures and just take a look at the kind of optics

00:42:41.500 that they're putting out here it's young people it's young women in particular um with their you know

00:42:46.660 their messaging um showing that the the these parties um who are of the right which is ordinarily

00:42:52.280 typically uh thought of as being a kind of uh well the politics of old people ultimately right

00:42:58.620 in politics they're showing that it's cool and and and and kind of punk and rebellious to be right

00:43:05.480 wing but also patriotic something's worth noting is the let's think of the republican party for

00:43:10.160 example it's very masculine coded this is why there is a 51 point gap between young women and young men

00:43:15.260 mainly driven by young women i think it's 38 points to 13 um swinging towards harris or trump yeah and

00:43:22.520 while we have to be very careful about which young women you select to make your spokespeople because

00:43:28.080 there are let's be fair a lot of grifting e-girls around that have gotten far too far um it is very

00:43:33.920 beneficial to have attractive competent well-researched young women as part of your

00:43:38.040 movement who can again make immigration women safety issue and this is what again the european

00:43:43.040 parties have just nailed this because you look also at the freedom party of austria's uh youth wing

00:43:47.900 again it's just respectable young people well-dressed normal relatable uh and so on uh and this brings us

00:43:54.080 finally to the national rallies youth wing which for my money have it the best maybe it's a function of

00:43:57.940 them being french and uh just having i don't know just different tastes um but this is how we win

00:44:03.840 right and i cannot stress this enough if you have attractive young people who are relatable who are

00:44:08.380 fit who are aspirational saying your words then that makes your politics cool and to again for my money

00:44:15.320 85 of people if you can make your politics cool especially in the eyes of young people and i get that

00:44:19.380 sounds really cheesy and cringe but it's true then you will win especially you know in a democratic

00:44:23.380 democratic situation like the ones we have and in a demographic situation where the average age of a

00:44:27.560 tory voter at the last election was 63 yes they are if you want to be an insurgent right-wing party

00:44:31.680 yep the tories don't pose any threat at the moment and so they're probably not winning the young

00:44:35.840 people they're up for grabs just engage with them on the terms they understand you might not understand

00:44:39.400 it yet get some of them who do yes now you'll note that the two strategic kind of elements that

00:44:43.760 i've highlighted so far digital strategy and youth engagement neither of those are about ideas

00:44:48.260 right neither of them are about our principles and our manifesto and all that sort of thing

00:44:51.680 so long the right across europe and in britain in particular has behaved as if all that matters

00:44:57.480 is having the best ideas and that it's a kind of darwinian thing where the best ideas will always

00:45:01.260 win out in the end and that is just total nonsense and we should we need to get over this idea because

00:45:05.760 there's more to politics than just debates right there is there is practical practical strategy that

00:45:11.320 needs to be implemented and effective but that does bring me on to the final point which is actually

00:45:15.940 the the various manifestos of these parties which tend to kind of go in lockstep they represent the

00:45:20.880 same political phenomenon which is emerging across europe and god willing britain and in the u.s trump's

00:45:26.060 used that phrase indeed one is a policy of remigration right and this is a phrase that has that is getting

00:45:32.220 more and more popular by the day you're seeing it in more and more mainstream uh kind of uh circles

00:45:36.800 this is the afd uh advertising their remigration policy uh the austrian freedom party who just won

00:45:42.580 uh in austria have also called for a remigration commissioner in the eu and they will be uh having

00:45:49.200 a uh re remigration minister in the austrian parliament sweden democrats have played with it

00:45:53.760 trump even used it in a recent true social post it's gaining ground and that's because you know

00:45:58.100 the spirit of the age is inevitably uh trending towards this feeling the feeling that the policy

00:46:02.780 of mass migration which has become an article of faith for our ruling class has utterly failed and

00:46:07.120 it's stealing the future of the youth destroying our countries destroying our societies destroying

00:46:11.680 our communities to use some starmerite language um but especially again among the youth the youth of

00:46:18.400 europe uh they recognize that things could be so much better um if not for these these disastrous

00:46:23.440 policies so that brings us on to the lessons that we should take uh from europe from these parties from

00:46:28.660 these successful parties the first is that britain needs its version of the national rally or the afd or the

00:46:34.380 freedom party because in order for us to win we need to have this well organized well presented

00:46:39.100 slick organization that can actually take our politics into the halls of power because you know

00:46:44.040 again we can have our ideas but if we have no leadership if we have no power then the ideas mean

00:46:48.340 nothing right and in order to win right-wing politics must become cool and again i get that that's that

00:46:55.020 sounds really cheesy but it's true um and moreover our movement must be not merely political it needs to go

00:47:01.080 out into the culture more generally and hungary again is the prime example of this combining as

00:47:05.360 they do cultural events philosophical ideas uh music art all of these things it all forms a movement

00:47:12.660 right and that's why hungary is doing so well because hungary i mean it's a vision of what could be

00:47:16.300 it's an absolutely beautiful country clean streets beautiful buildings uh strong economy and all the rest

00:47:21.540 of it we were depressed when we were leaving it my god flying back into luton

00:47:24.700 in britain after being in budapest for five days was um quite the eye-opening experience really put

00:47:31.380 things in perspective and this was all the while the riots were happening as well in britain so it

00:47:34.660 was a real contrast i stepped back through gatwick and felt showered in british values i don't know

00:47:37.920 indeed yes this is my experience coming about from italy earlier on this year as well coming back

00:47:42.300 through manchester airport and the line back through customs was a sea of foreign faces yeah no doubt

00:47:49.260 we also need to embrace digital politics and again there's there's a real kind of aversion to this

00:47:54.340 especially among the older generations which i think is probably as a result of not understanding

00:47:57.640 it but actually this is where the future is if we're not prepared to use platforms like tiktok

00:48:01.560 um and i know you guys understand this very well if we're not prepared to engage in these kinds of

00:48:05.840 strategies then we're going to get left behind and we're going to lose um and so this then brings

00:48:10.620 us to the question of reform and whether reform will step up to the plate and be afd uk uk be you

00:48:17.280 know national rally uk i think they have the potential to be um as you know i ran a campaign during

00:48:21.760 the general election uh pushing reform to start a youth wing which i still firmly believe they should

00:48:25.840 do if they really wish to have any longevity is to embrace because we were at the conference you

00:48:29.780 know there were a hell of a lot of young people there especially our panel event yeah we had spillover

00:48:33.540 so we had a few old people sitting down yeah when there were no seats left there were lots of people

00:48:38.000 that were either just at reform conference or were viewers of this show hello i know some of you put

00:48:42.520 like premium comments as well so nice to see you who were just there to ask questions and listen to

00:48:46.140 what we had to say and we got frankly as good a response as some of the main stage speech yeah and

00:48:51.320 i mean our fringe event was by far the best attended of all of them i know because i was sitting next to

00:48:54.880 the fringe event stage for the entire day um but the point is if reform are unwilling to embrace and

00:49:00.020 harness that kind of youthful energy that is around their party one in one in 10 under 30s voted for

00:49:04.780 reform at the election if they're unwilling to do that then i don't know how they're going to have the

00:49:08.720 kind of longevity that they clearly want um and so i would get again i would encourage them to uh

00:49:13.860 to embrace that and to do it in the right way because if you put the wrong people in place sure

00:49:17.620 it's going to be a disaster hey it doesn't have to be that way are you implying that someone in

00:49:21.460 reform is paying someone to be the respectable face of young reform but they couldn't fill a room if

00:49:27.840 they'd actually literally paid all the attendants to be there don't know what you mean don't know who

00:49:31.500 you could possibly be i'm just saying it's a disastrous strategy though anyway um so that's really

00:49:36.160 where we are as i see it that's that's the kind of place we're in in britain where we there isn't

00:49:40.900 really a mainstream understanding of exactly what we should be doing as a movement as a political

00:49:45.120 movement to win and ultimately victory is the ultimate goal because without power our ideas

00:49:50.260 mean nothing so with that i'm going to leave you with some words from the great orator jonathan

00:49:55.260 bowden who apparently the link to which i have not put in the show notes so shall i just stick that

00:50:00.680 in there now can i guess what these words might end up being actually you're probably wrong can we

00:50:05.760 oh all right okay it's in the document can we pull that up it's happening here we are here we go if

00:50:12.940 we can get the audio up on this and full screen it yeah it should be fine you know you've turned the

00:50:17.760 thing around and the right will only defeat the left in the center if it's more creative more energetic

00:50:23.540 more radical more intelligent more sassy cooler that's the only way it will win and the trouble with

00:50:32.580 right wing people on the whole is they're sort of pessimistic and they you know it's slightly

00:50:37.040 unimaginative and they're people they're deeply conservative people they're very decent people

00:50:41.320 but they're conservative you've got to be more radical than that and i'm you know i'm very

00:50:47.480 conservative person but i'm also a revolutionary and you need the two combined you see

00:50:53.520 that's why i call myself a revolutionary conservative

00:50:57.640 i perhaps wouldn't take balden's particular advice on aesthetics there but i understand

00:51:02.220 the point you're getting at indeed so he was he was certainly a radical and creative person

00:51:07.040 i would say that um imperium press on one of their sub stack essays also had a good way of putting it

00:51:12.720 using jonathan height's moral foundations which is that the uh the radical right however you want to

00:51:19.120 describe it is made up of people who are both high openness to experience and therefore more creative

00:51:25.080 but also high disgust response so they they have a knowledge of what they like and what needs to

00:51:31.780 happen within society while also being more open to experiences open to solutions and open to

00:51:38.320 creativity they're intellectually curious but also loyal and have standards yeah so so i think that that

00:51:43.500 really just sums up because i mean you know one thing i will say is i'm endlessly heartened by the

00:51:48.600 network that is clearly emerging of young people in britain who are all of these things that we've just

00:51:52.740 been talking about who are competent who are driven who are uh they have their head screwed on right

00:51:56.660 when it comes to things like just taking care of themselves the idea of where this country needs to go

00:52:00.380 what needs to be done so yeah i mean anybody who is who is duma posting or blackpilling uh i would

00:52:06.020 say you know where's your spine you know because because things will get better the people are out

00:52:09.680 there we just need to come together and and get it done excellent i'll read the quick to rumble

00:52:14.620 rants and then uh it's both from that's a random name for for one dollar hey you know if you're

00:52:19.580 gonna send as many in we appreciate one dollar but you know you could could do a little bit more

00:52:22.980 um i disagree about bardella's good appearance being superficial it's perfectly reasonable to

00:52:26.860 judge a book by its cover he gives off the whole vibe of a strong man with purpose unlike someone

00:52:30.260 like farad yeah this is what i was saying yeah we weren't we weren't saying it's purely superficial

00:52:33.300 or an act we're saying that i said it to a lot of people it seems superficial but it's not he's an

00:52:37.160 avatar of what he what he speaks for and they say speaking of this i think the millennial gen z

00:52:41.040 politicians will be way more intense than the current boomers in charge because unlike them we want

00:52:44.960 what's best for our children in our nations and also as we've both said for ages for our entire

00:52:49.140 lifetime everything's been called racist yes it's meaningless milk kew gardens the countryside you

00:52:54.900 cried wolf too many times so we're not actually susceptible to this charge so we can just get on

00:52:58.940 with doing what we want to do without worrying what the chattering media class thinks harry yeah

00:53:03.000 drinking milk and going to the gym means that you're a white supremacist well then everybody on

00:53:08.200 this panel right now it can do be average white is guilty exactly exactly ridiculous standards anyway

00:53:15.520 so um we all know that as part of the generational conflicts that are going on right now within our

00:53:21.400 own nations a huge part of that is the information war because he who controls what information is

00:53:27.320 spread to the masses has an immense amount of societal control especially within the democratic

00:53:32.200 system when really the currency is information more than anything else that's why large

00:53:37.780 interest groups most of the time they take over financial institutions and also media and

00:53:42.780 entertainment institutions because that way you have the two main vectors of societal control

00:53:47.300 under your thumb wikipedia is despite the fact that everybody was taught in school that you

00:53:54.020 shouldn't trust wikipedia or use it as a reliable source it is used by most people as at least a basic

00:54:00.520 way to get a cursory understanding of any information that you're looking for it maybe shouldn't

00:54:07.640 be but i would say wikipedia pages are about as good as the editors who've edited those pages are so

00:54:14.440 if you've found a page where maybe there's one really dedicated autist who cares about the subject

00:54:19.640 that not many people know about you're liable to actually get some good information and at the very

00:54:24.020 least you'll get some good sources from it if you have a wikipedia page that is subject to mass edits

00:54:29.400 from a bunch of insane leftists well then you're liable to be being fed misinformation and active

00:54:34.880 disinformation and that is what has happened recently to the wikipedia page that was available

00:54:40.440 for the grooming gangs crisis within the uk two years ago we also covered when the page for grooming

00:54:46.840 was created and it was the grooming conspiracy theory the lgbt grooming conspiracy theory we went

00:54:53.120 through the notes and it was a bunch of leftists saying that these obviously predatory practices in

00:54:58.800 schools to sexualize children's education were just made up even though they were readily available

00:55:04.000 to read the materials and they had been widely reported and cited in actual government reports

00:55:07.840 yeah so what will happen with something like that and the grooming gangs page has had very very similar

00:55:13.300 treatment is that they will completely eschew all of the more reliable reports and sources that you

00:55:18.660 can take and take the one or two sources that match the narrative that they want to spread

00:55:23.020 and solely rely on those oftentimes if you go into the editing history you'll find that there's

00:55:27.720 essentially been a war going on but inevitably with these sorts of things because

00:55:32.400 right-wingers as a whole tend not to be as switched on to these mainly because they have families and

00:55:37.320 jobs and actual responsibilities you'll find that the leftists tend to swarm and get the upper hand

00:55:42.880 and the wikipedia page becomes basically unusable for reliable information which is a shame because

00:55:49.000 it is a website that is one of the most visited on the internet and this does come back to what i was

00:55:53.980 saying in my segment which is the right needs to get to grips with with the digital world you know so

00:55:58.760 many of us are just completely out of touch on that front we need to understand that even something as

00:56:03.680 mundane as wikipedia is a battleground it's a castle that we need to capture it absolutely is but what

00:56:09.580 you can do if you're looking for reliable and interesting information is you can buy a copy of

00:56:13.940 issue two of islander which is still available for the time being but by the end of this week i'm

00:56:18.760 speaking now on wednesday the 9th of october by the end of this week it will no longer be for sale

00:56:24.480 very limited run so get it while you still can same with the rest of the merchandise that we

00:56:30.040 have available on the website so to go into the information of what's happened here so wikipedia

00:56:34.640 as i've mentioned has the grooming gangs page that was previously titled muslim grooming gangs in the

00:56:40.320 united kingdom on the 7th of october interestingly enough this was renamed to grooming gang moral panic

00:56:47.160 in the united kingdom oh that's morally despicable yes so moral panic i actually uh found the

00:56:54.420 wikipedia page for it interestingly enough um was a term developed by a man called stanley cohen

00:57:00.320 that states who stated that moral panic happens when a condition obviously i think the phrase

00:57:05.020 itself existed before then but he popularized it in his modern understanding moral panic happens when

00:57:10.380 a condition episode person or group of persons emerges to become defined as a threat to societal

00:57:15.240 values and interests while the issues identified may be real the claims exaggerate the seriousness

00:57:20.220 extent typicality and or inevitability of harm it is often considered academically by academics to be

00:57:27.400 irrational so it's clearly a way to try and smear the very very well-known factual documented cases of

00:57:35.700 um asian and by that i mean middle eastern pakistani primarily ethnic grooming gangs who specifically

00:57:43.120 went out of their way to target white british girls and groom them is using that as a way to try and

00:57:49.180 smear it by applying this term which people have been taught in schools well moral panic was when

00:57:55.920 mary whitehouse thought the rock and roll was for satanist but moral panic is when we were burning

00:58:01.560 witches at the stake a great example it's already associated in people's minds with something that

00:58:06.420 is untrue yeah i love as well by the way that it says like yeah it might be real it's like yeah yeah

00:58:10.480 you know girls might be being raped up and down the country by immigrants but don't panic about it

00:58:14.680 don't worry about it yeah exaggerated i mean if it's only one or two why should you care is the

00:58:19.340 if it's only a million if it's only if it's only thousands then you know well it literally is

00:58:23.760 thousands because um asian-led british government by rishi sunak and suella braveman set up a grooming

00:58:29.580 gangs task force after the gb news expose done by the excellent charlie peters and they found so far

00:58:34.460 1500 perpetrators and at least 4 000 victims so is that a moral panic and another great example of the

00:58:40.600 moral panic that's been embedded in in schools is the fact that arthur miller's the crucible is a set

00:58:45.560 text for gc i learned about it during gcse english exactly i had to perform it during drama because

00:58:50.860 everyone in right-wing politics is a failed theater kid exactly um but in that that set the idea that

00:58:56.620 not only was the salem witch trials completely made up which of course it was but as an allegory

00:59:01.680 all of the house on un-american activities committees hearings the the mccarthy era even though

00:59:07.840 mccarthy didn't chair those searching for communists embedded in the u.s government were purely fictitious

00:59:12.480 and made up and it's like no there were there were actually lots of them it wasn't a moral panic it

00:59:16.040 was another charge yeah they were they were running cartoonist unions and things like that so this is

00:59:20.780 you're right completely fdr's administration was made of quite a few communist infiltrators

00:59:26.260 one of whom uh organized the breton woods agreement on behalf of the u.s and screwed over britain yeah so

00:59:33.040 this is completely embedded in let's say the default liberal psyche that as soon as they hear moral panic

00:59:37.300 they can just write it off it's been rendered radioactive so this is what this is trying to do

00:59:40.780 it's absolutely trying to give people an excuse to dismiss it and if you ask why well they can

00:59:44.900 either point to the wikipedia page or they can point to the source that the wikipedia page is using

00:59:49.800 which i'll refer to in a moment first uh they point out in this unheard article that every wikipedia

00:59:55.200 article has a talk function which allows users to request and debate edits the change was confirmed by a

00:59:59.940 user named scepter who wrote there is a consensus that consensus if the article is to be kept and for

01:00:07.200 the meanwhile it is to be kept so they might actually just delete the page off of the website

01:00:11.320 altogether that moral panic should be included in the article to reflect how the subject is dealt

01:00:16.940 with in reliable sources so apologetic press for the establishment that imported all of these

01:00:22.940 groomers yes leftist media and leftist infiltrators within government departments writing reports which

01:00:28.680 is the main one they'll be referring to as they say in here um the wikipedia article states that right

01:00:33.600 wing and far-right activists popularized the term muslim grooming gangs despite the majority of the

01:00:37.360 offenders being of pakistani heritage the article also refers to a 2020 home office report which found

01:00:43.240 no links between ethnicity and child sexual abuse that's a total lie that's an actual lie that's

01:00:47.760 well well i i've got it i've got it in the next link so we can go through that in a moment

01:00:51.940 in the announcement of the article's title change the question of ethnicity is addressed

01:00:55.900 quote there was a late discussion about the possible title of ethnicity and but i cannot find a

01:01:02.040 consensus for the inclusion yet writes the same user scepter nor can i find a consensus for the

01:01:07.640 inclusion of the word muslim however if after informal and possible formal discussion such a

01:01:12.900 consensus emerges that can easily be revisited so complete appeal to popularity appeal to this

01:01:18.200 imaginary consensus well i've not been able to find anything that suggests that lots of people agree

01:01:24.860 with me so therefore uh well that agrees with the idea that it should be ethnicity therefore i'm going

01:01:32.140 to leave it out altogether i don't mean to be uh cliched but i think there was a mid-century english

01:01:37.140 socialist who might have written a book about this kind of thing happening you know by the name it was

01:01:41.200 like 90 was it 1987 1945 something like that i don't know anyway i don't know what you could be on

01:01:46.720 about interesting yeah but it's just it's just fascinating how we do now live in this time where

01:01:50.380 information is because this might as well be saying when the party says then then we will

01:01:55.460 change it to oh you know these various different times ironically prevent put that on its watch list

01:01:59.940 of texts frequented by the far right the exact kind of people they say that are spreading this moral

01:02:04.980 panic without a hint of irony 1984 was on remember how what what was prevent started to prevent as

01:02:10.420 well why was it preventing what was it preventing was it british people standing up for their own

01:02:15.740 interest no it was supposed to be against islamic terrorists well you say that i mean look at my

01:02:21.700 expose on the website it was ostensibly about islamic terror it has since under raikou become an

01:02:27.620 exercise in propaganding the british propagandizing the british people anytime there is a muslim terror

01:02:31.300 attack to quote don't look back in anger because remember the response to manchester arena was

01:02:34.940 centrally planned by the government using our tax money yes so the whole um the whole reason that

01:02:39.460 prevent was started in the first place was a lie so the government lied big surprise while the title

01:02:44.140 change request was granted it wasn't unanimously supported one user wrote it seems to me that

01:02:48.220 i don't like it or or it's too offensive to me slash others are at play here and i ask the

01:02:53.840 community to be wary of changing the article's title on that ground if sources say muslim asian

01:02:59.140 grooming gangs then we should leave it as is it is irrelevant what the far right groups say or how it

01:03:04.080 may or might not play into their narrative so this person i assume is probably also a leftist if

01:03:08.280 they're saying far right groups but at least there's somebody with a bit of honesty and integrity to

01:03:11.920 them so fair play for speaking up let's not change the wikipedia page from being changed because as

01:03:16.720 you can see here this is what it looks like at the moment moral panic about groups referred to yada

01:03:22.960 yada right wing and far right activists as well as more mainstream individuals that's a nice vague

01:03:28.240 term there or bbc news night yeah helped popularize the terminology in 2010s here is the paper that they

01:03:34.980 are referring to group-based child sexual exploitation characteristics of offending from the home

01:03:41.000 office in 2020 this was a large report that was done under preety patel though it was commissioned

01:03:46.080 by sajid javid himself pakistan heritage yes i believe i saw that preety patel had when she was

01:03:51.540 home secretary had said that this report was very very disappointing but if you look um i looked through

01:03:56.880 this you can search for the terms not once is there a use of the word religion or religious so

01:04:03.220 they're not even looking into that as a factor the word muslim only appears once in the whole document

01:04:08.720 and that's in a reference note quoting the muslim women's network i believe but they do have a bit

01:04:14.720 here about ethnicity because the key findings are basically that ethnicity doesn't really play into

01:04:20.320 anything and even if you do really consider ethnicity well the majority of these cases are

01:04:25.880 done by white people anyway and ignores the disproportionate nature of some of the cases but

01:04:32.140 there is some quality information that you can find under the subheading of ethnicity would you like

01:04:36.640 to say what you're looking to say pakistani perpetrators according to this data are three

01:04:40.720 times more likely per capita than the white british to commit this many of the actual acts that have

01:04:45.760 been put through the courts and resulted in far too lenient prosecutions have involved the girls

01:04:50.640 saying they made me stand in a corner and look at the floor called me a white slag they made me read

01:04:54.380 quranic verses they direct they deliberately plied me with drugs and alcohol because they knew that

01:04:58.940 i was a non-believer and so they and the families of the grooming gang perpetrators who in the recent

01:05:04.880 trial in rotherham um had the daughters who knew what their dad had done say i love you dad as he

01:05:09.820 was sent to prison have covered this up as a community and the community is pakistani and muslim

01:05:14.760 and thanks to again charlie peters if you dig into the statistics it's something like one in every

01:05:20.000 1 000 muslim men in rotherham and one in every 700 in telford were guilty of this so this was actually

01:05:27.720 for rotherham it was one in 73 rotherham muslims one in 73 yes blimey okay can i just say i mean this

01:05:38.100 is a point that i like to make because i think that it's a really interesting and useful perspective

01:05:41.440 to take but thinking about how this period of history through which we're living will be reported

01:05:45.660 and taught to our descendants in say 200 years time this story in particular i think will be viewed as

01:05:52.960 being one of the most insane and evil things to have ever taken place on this on this country's

01:05:58.640 soil because you know you think about how it will be reported oh yeah well in the early part of the

01:06:02.460 21st century there was this thing that happened where the government made a policy to bring in

01:06:07.000 millions of foreigners from the middle east and uh thousands of them set about raping the indigenous

01:06:12.100 population uh primarily young girls because they were white and because they were english

01:06:16.960 and then at every level of the state from the actual police officers at the bottom level right the

01:06:22.420 way up to mps in parliament they covered it up because they were scared of being called racist

01:06:26.880 mps and lords were actually involved in this yeah it's absolutely unbelievable i mean words don't

01:06:32.000 words can't put into i just i can't put into words how angry this story makes me and it's difficult to

01:06:37.740 not get worked up about it yes well i'll i'll go through a little bit of the information that's in

01:06:42.880 here because a lot of the reporting from outlets like the guardian speaking about this really

01:06:48.180 harped on the editorial writing that was included in this to try to dismiss the information that they

01:06:55.400 do include because there is a lot of good hard data that you can find in this report that mainly comes

01:07:01.060 from previous studies it's kind of a collation of different studies but they add a lot of editorializing

01:07:07.360 around it to try and dismiss it by saying things like research on offender ethnicity is limited and

01:07:12.400 tends to rely on poor quality data therefore difficult to draw conclusions about differences in

01:07:16.900 ethnicity of offenders but it's likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed

01:07:21.800 to offending so women like ella cockbane who wrote for the guardian when this report came out

01:07:28.100 saying that oh it's more to do with power dynamics and the attempts of patriarchal men to submit and

01:07:34.600 oppress women which i would say yes definitely was a factor in it but mainly it was an ethnic factor

01:07:40.320 on top of that um they use these bits of editorializing to dismiss all of the rest of the information

01:07:47.980 because really let's be honest that's all that most people were reading for when they were trying to

01:07:53.220 look at this report and what it said so that they could just find anything possible like the wikipedia

01:07:58.480 page has done to exclude the idea that ethnicity had anything to do with it they also say a number of

01:08:04.920 studies have indicated an over-representation of asian and black offenders in group-based child sexual

01:08:09.800 exploitation most of the same studies show that the majority of offenders are white yeah but it's not

01:08:14.300 about majority because obviously in a majority white country the majority of the offenders of any crime

01:08:20.980 you would expect to be the native ethnicity yes per capita yeah per capita but not just that over

01:08:26.620 representation is the problem that we're pointing every single crime committed by a foreign national was

01:08:32.620 optional yes it has been brought here by the government so it is their fault so none of these

01:08:37.360 crimes needed to happen if you have a british-born rapist i agree given the the harshest possible

01:08:43.660 penalty or the death penalty because that is our problem to deal with it doesn't mean because they

01:08:47.920 exist import more rapists but it doesn't it doesn't follow well this is a conversation that is

01:08:52.360 tasty recipes though oh that's a great point so so many people find this so difficult to understand

01:08:56.800 though because i've had conversations with people where i've said we didn't we you know the manchester

01:09:00.540 arena bombing for example didn't need to happen didn't need to happen it was part it was a result

01:09:05.100 of a government policy and they'll say to me well we we had bombings in this country in the 90s and

01:09:09.780 and and before we had bombings because of the ira and it's like yeah but that is fundamentally

01:09:13.860 different because those people are native to these isles it was a homegrown problem we didn't need

01:09:18.480 therefore then the additional problem of foreign terrorists in the country we had enough of our own

01:09:23.220 to deal with and so it's this is the key point is it's part of a government policy and this is

01:09:26.760 this is so crucial whenever we talk about uh issues around immigration it always has to come

01:09:31.540 back to yeah there are problematic individual immigrants but the actual culprits the actual

01:09:35.640 people who have to be brought to justice in our lifetimes for this for these problems are the

01:09:40.480 elites are are the governments that we've had for the last however many decades civil servants that

01:09:45.200 have stayed there and deliberately obstructed the data getting out they've obstructed the will of

01:09:50.520 ministers that try to reduce it and any time when these terror attacks happens they give money to

01:09:54.300 raikou and tell us don't look back in anger yeah yes there certainly does need to be punishments

01:09:58.460 for uh for what's happened but this page of this report is actually quite interesting because it

01:10:03.040 does include a lot of the information from large-scale studies that have been conducted

01:10:06.900 looking into this phenomenon and again if you ignore the editorializing around it the information

01:10:12.940 that they give here is very telling so ceop in 2011 undertook a data collection with police forces

01:10:18.920 children's services and specialist providers from the voluntary sector looking at these those

01:10:22.920 allegedly involved in street grooming and child sexual exploitation data was returned on approximately

01:10:28.080 2 300 possible offenders approximately 1 100 were excluded from the analysis but in the remaining

01:10:34.120 1 200 cases ethnicity data was unknown for 38 percent of the available data that we do have

01:10:41.040 30 percent of the offenders were white while 28 percent were asian due to the amount of missing data

01:10:48.160 blah blah blah blah in 2013 ceop undertook a second piece of work in this space data was requested from

01:10:54.280 all police forces in england and wales on contacts child sexual exploitation assault and responses were

01:11:00.760 received from 31 of the 52 groups where data provided was usable half of the groups consisted of all

01:11:07.620 asian offenders half of them 26 groups 11 were all white four were all black and two were exclusively arab

01:11:16.500 so they say here looking at the offenders across all groups of the 306 offenders 75 percent were asian

01:11:24.700 however as with the 2011 study these figures should be treated with caution due to the amount of missing data so

01:11:30.540 they do say that despite the fact that we have the the we do have some substantial data and of that data

01:11:37.740 that we do have it seems to point very clearly to a massive over-representation of middle eastern asian

01:11:45.700 ethnicities committing these sorts of crimes we still can't draw any conclusions right we can't draw any

01:11:50.780 conclusions from it and that's what the guardian runs with but then just a few paragraphs later they come

01:11:56.580 out with this line which does suggest that even without the information available we can draw some

01:12:02.000 conclusions though based on the existing evidence and our understanding of the flaws and the existing

01:12:06.220 data it seems most likely that the ethnicity of group-based child sexual exploitation offenders is

01:12:11.520 in line with csa more generally and with general population with the majority of offenders being white so

01:12:17.020 three things on that number one we're investigating the grooming gangs which is an ethnically and religiously

01:12:21.680 motivated crime particular towns and cities so the perpetrators are of a particular ethnicity

01:12:26.160 so just saying but all child exploitation no no that's not the point if you're trying to quash a

01:12:30.180 problem you get specific so they're just hiding this they know it's the problem and they're lying

01:12:33.660 secondly it's not asians it's not the japanese doing this it's not the sea well yeah it's an

01:12:39.040 incredibly broad term yeah it's deliberately vague it's pakistanis and it's muslims and it's every

01:12:44.160 single time which means but again they didn't even look into any religious element that went into this

01:12:49.240 when they did this report which means it's an insufficient report but it does mean we know the group that are

01:12:53.380 doing it we shouldn't import more of them we should import all of them and and the the final thing

01:12:57.680 um about this is that okay we don't have enough data to get a conclusive number all right so then

01:13:03.780 why do you assume one way because i could quite happily assume if you don't have enough data then

01:13:07.560 it means it's probably more it's probably absolute and you have an ideological motivation to not suppose

01:13:12.440 it's more so it probably is well this this is a really important point right so being in the kind of

01:13:16.200 think tanky circles that i occasionally move in there's a real consensus um that the uk is what gets

01:13:21.480 called a data desert we just don't have so much data especially on issues like this which is an

01:13:26.640 enormous failing because there's plenty of countries again looking to europe for examples who collect

01:13:31.380 data in in the most granular detail when it comes down to things like ethnicity and so on

01:13:35.440 um and we just don't do it in this country because if we did there would be outrage at the findings

01:13:41.540 because it would show the entire project that the elites have been undertaking for the better part of

01:13:46.500 30 years is a total failure and the entire apparatus and infrastructure of the state exists

01:13:51.140 to justify its failure can i be difficult and correct you on that we do actually collect it

01:13:54.740 they don't publish it because anytime internal civil servants have asked this stephen edgington did a

01:13:59.320 did an expose recently ryecroft and our old friend jess phillips are completely shtum

01:14:03.760 patrick christus and the show over at gb news tried paying because they put in a freedom of

01:14:08.480 information request they tried paying the home office the full fees to compile and publish the data

01:14:14.100 because the home office said and the military of justice said too expensive can't afford the

01:14:17.200 manpower when they offered them all the money for it they still said no they just don't want it out

01:14:20.840 there well there is a certain scale that means that i can understand from from the the from the

01:14:26.040 perspective if i think of myself i'm an evil civil servant let's think putting myself in that

01:14:30.960 perspective uh there's a there's a measure of scale that means that even raikou wouldn't be able to

01:14:37.360 put a lid on what happened because if you actually had that information out there judging by some of the

01:14:42.900 reactions that happened to situations earlier this year it would be southport by a factor of a hundred

01:14:47.740 yes and i don't think there would be any amount of propaganda once you release that information

01:14:53.700 and honestly when people like us and gb news and other outlets began to make that more well known

01:15:00.700 among the public there's nothing that could put that back on yeah and of course none of us encourage

01:15:05.160 violence um but the only thing that stops those riots um weren't even the raikou efforts that had

01:15:11.380 which you publicized uh all of the newspapers simultaneously showing stand-up to racism

01:15:16.140 demonstrations as a purely organic thing in response to the hundreds of far-right protests

01:15:20.260 which nick lolz admitted were hoaxes it was just keir starmer getting even more draconian in applying

01:15:25.620 two-tier justice standards and giving two-year sentences for facebook posts while letting out the

01:15:31.260 exact kind of perpetrators of these sexual crimes they realize their propaganda efforts aren't even

01:15:35.300 working anymore so they need to get even more punitive uh in terms of the justice but even then we're such a

01:15:40.540 country in in such decline we're so useless and incompetent on a national level that they won't

01:15:46.800 even really be able to practically enforce that past a certain point because of the lack of

01:15:51.180 infrastructure we have to house criminals we covered this on a round table that if you have a membership

01:15:55.760 on the website which you should do you can watch i think we all included some really good information

01:16:00.440 in that but anyway back to the wikipedia article would it surprise anybody to find out that this was the

01:16:05.940 person who edited it grooming gang page change was made by at sarah licity who self-describes as

01:16:13.320 trans feminist atheist and progressive minded student who also in their twitter bio calls themselves

01:16:18.660 calls i'm assuming it's a he really so i'm going to go with a he he calls himself a non-binary dyke

01:16:25.200 so x e they she and a european flag in there and a muxtress of mathematics and wrestling fangirl

01:16:32.940 wrestling that incredibly feminine pastime that girls across the country love um interestingly

01:16:38.960 enough i wanted to make sure that i have verified it myself this is the right person because i didn't

01:16:44.680 see a much verification going on on wikipedia you can find the page the user page of the person who

01:16:50.340 edited it scepter and i went on it and there is a twitter link linking to that account so this is

01:16:54.960 correct information unsurprisingly he locked it what a big surprise but somebody in in the replies

01:17:02.140 to this linked something very interesting which is a 2015 breitbart uh breitbart article about this

01:17:09.240 person oh because uh mr sarah mr sarah noble has been quite notorious sorry you sound like a nigerian

01:17:17.060 scammer yeah but he's been quite notorious for a good few years at this point because back in 2015 he

01:17:23.580 was a lib dem activist who almost got kicked out of the party i think did get kicked out of the party

01:17:28.560 because he was sharing on his twitter page kill all men f men die cisgendered scum now this was a man

01:17:36.200 who was sitting on two national party committees and he was suspended from this he was sat on the

01:17:41.860 lgbt liberal democrats and the secular and humanist liberal democrats he'd also been elected to the

01:17:47.760 executive committee of the national union of students lgbt wing so a usual suspect the former

01:17:54.600 lib dem i can see their uh leader then equalities minister joe swinson who herself didn't know what

01:18:00.320 a woman was has even come out and condemned noble's comments personally so yes this is a high profile

01:18:06.940 nutcase but because of how wikipedia operates with its kind of decentralized and democratic mode

01:18:12.760 mode of working it means that this person has an outsized amount of control over the information

01:18:19.700 that is available to people on the wikipedia pages including the grooming gang one this is the kind

01:18:25.880 of person who is editing those pages and trying to make you convinced that it's just a moral panic

01:18:30.860 that you should dismiss and not think about further there was a time when we had asylums in this country

01:18:35.360 yeah this is the thing with this time these sorts of people right you know you can look at them

01:18:39.460 either oh they're you know they're a political enemy and they're very you know they're sort of

01:18:42.220 scheming on so this person is deeply deeply mentally ill or mental or he's just a porn addict who's got

01:18:48.700 a job as a discord mod or a twitch but you repeat yourself and does this on the yeah does this on the

01:18:52.720 either way mental not to be trusted and to go back over some of the information that proves that it's

01:18:58.500 not just a moral panic it is something that people should be deeply concerned about and outraged about

01:19:03.160 again jack anderson was the one who shared that information one in 73 muslim men who live in

01:19:09.080 have been prosecuted for grooming gang related crimes in the past two decades keith woods who

01:19:14.880 i'm not always in agreement with but sadly has had his youtube channel taken down recently without

01:19:21.560 any reason given other than hate speech even though his channel was actually very mild for the most part

01:19:26.760 compared to his other platforms so that was completely unfair he shared this and he shared of

01:19:31.240 course the headlines over almost 19 000 children identified as sexual exploitation victims in england

01:19:37.620 interestingly enough um peter mclaughlin who is the man who's recently written the manifesto with

01:19:43.380 tommy robinson has previously done a study and and book about the grooming gangs called easy meat and

01:19:49.760 he estimated it might actually be closer to over a hundred thousand in total probably more than that

01:19:55.860 i wouldn't be surprised if it goes up to a million well i i think that the cornerstone no matter what the

01:20:00.560 numbers are because we've got different numbers the cornerstone should be that charlene downs's name

01:20:04.260 should be as well known as george floyd charlene downs was the young girl more well known yeah

01:20:09.000 quite charlene downs was the young girl in blackpool who was sexually exploited by a grooming gang

01:20:14.100 and who whose body was ground up into kebab meat and sold and used as tile grouting for the kebab shop

01:20:20.060 and her abusers laughed about this and boasted about it and they got off on a technicality because of

01:20:25.080 improper evidence gathering methods never had justice i learned about that story when i was probably

01:20:30.660 i don't know i was young when i learned about that story because she had the same name as me

01:20:34.780 and as you do i was googling my own name and i was like oh there's a wikipedia page on a charlie

01:20:38.860 downs let's read that and then i became aware of the kind of stuff that goes on in this country

01:20:43.280 and if you want to be more aware of what goes on in the country we've actually it's so well documented

01:20:48.720 and so not a moral panic that you should throw away that we actually have a premium video on the

01:20:54.320 website giving a breakdown of the timeline of the grooming gangs that's how well documented it is

01:20:59.400 you can go date by date and draw this out in a very straight line it's very very clear and very

01:21:07.080 very well shot there as well yes and 100 diverse and there has been some justice for this there was

01:21:14.120 a recent segment that you did the silence is deafening about the grooming gangs trials there

01:21:18.000 has been some justice on this but nowhere near enough and with that we'll uh move on to the video

01:21:24.480 comments as they're getting loaded up i'll read the two rumble rants from that's a random name um

01:21:28.600 quote moral panic grips the shire as orcs are accused of eating hobbit children this has been

01:21:33.140 debunked by saruman the wise as orcophobia in other news more refugees to come from mordor fleeing

01:21:37.260 persecution yeah i'm sure we'll be paying to house um uruks in osgiliath and that's a random name for

01:21:42.200 two dollars says connor i'm trying to save dollars because i'm trying to stop my own business while

01:21:45.880 paying a mortgage in trudeau's canada poor you but since you are so nice here's another dollar and

01:21:50.020 thanks for reading them yeah i was just winding you up don't worry we appreciate your support

01:21:53.220 everyone i did not know that you were undergoing a literal sisyphean trial so good luck to you

01:21:58.540 friend it's like pushing the black woman pushing her throbbing brain up the hill trying to understand

01:22:02.440 that's wholesome

01:22:08.760 yeah we saw we saw deer on our we did train right down that was nice

01:22:16.440 please do more wholesome content i agree this is this is what i do on weekends because i don't really

01:22:25.220 like people and i don't drink anymore so i just go to parks and like the ducks

01:22:31.500 did a haitian write that left hand captain yeah they took the alex jones move a bit too seriously

01:22:43.400 um i i was recently in turkey for a week sorry sorry study us and uh we we we stopped off at some

01:22:48.800 terrible little restaurant while other people were going in a mud bath on an excursion and we found a

01:22:52.580 little colony of five ducks who were really inquisitive so we just stood there for an hour

01:22:55.360 taking photos and saying hello oh that's very sweet

01:22:58.540 this would be lovely without the trap beat

01:23:09.320 if rory edit this one

01:23:11.080 bit of a clash

01:23:12.720 very nice landscape though

01:23:17.320 we're getting some good wholesome comics

01:23:18.840 yeah that's what i yeah you're right

01:23:22.540 i'm recognizing that guitar line have you have you seen next week

01:23:25.660 is there is there something new to do with oh is it my first two episodes are out of double

01:23:30.740 exposure three dude we've got to do it

01:23:33.040 you're such a big girl with this i mean look at you

01:23:37.140 look look i i think if they're releasing the first two episodes i think they're going to leave

01:23:41.700 on a big cliffhanger and they're going to bring chloe back and it's going to be good

01:23:44.700 okay i believe it don't shake your head samson i believe

01:23:47.500 as a straight man i don't know what you're talking about

01:23:50.460 this is the purest form of cope i've ever seen firsthand

01:23:55.700 the first game was accidentally right wing maybe they'll do it again

01:23:58.580 maybe admittedly the other ones suck let's not go there but but all right all right

01:24:03.900 i want to believe dude i want to do it

01:24:05.360 if they just do it just do an adaptation of twin peaks and leave it as as it was originally in the show

01:24:11.560 and uh then maybe i'm interested because they ripped up ripped off enough from twin peaks to begin with

01:24:16.580 can we just do a full game of like david madsen nonce hunter

01:24:18.920 because that's basically what his role was in the first game

01:24:21.800 yeah that'd be you know what you'd win me over with them

01:24:24.520 anyway on the next one

01:24:25.800 john carrey are moronic entitled former secretary of state

01:24:32.460 recently stated that the first amendment is a quote-unquote problem for good governance

01:24:37.640 and every republican should play this for every campaign ad and as elon said the democrats are the

01:24:44.440 biggest danger to democracy and in another lamentation david lammy is like an ass hamster

01:24:50.860 you know it has to be removed but explaining how it got there is really embarrassing

01:24:56.060 i like a lamentation very very clever you should do more of those um as for explaining how the first

01:25:05.980 amendment gets in the way of democracy i did a really good essay for ian hersey ali's sub stack

01:25:10.160 and the tomlinson talks on this which is basically they think that everyone's a blank slate they think

01:25:14.820 that populists are in imposing division upon society that's like a false consciousness so if they

01:25:20.200 just censor people like trump or us then everyone will come to the same progressive egalitarian conclusion

01:25:24.640 information control yeah exactly exactly anyway on to some of the written comments before we wrap

01:25:29.600 up probably got that five minutes um the letter m supports the native red squirrels reconquering

01:25:34.020 england another podcast another brilliant thumbnail how do they keep doing this thank you samson

01:25:38.160 genuinely um not to kiss his ass samson's been fantastic since he's joined uh it's been a

01:25:43.780 wonderful breath of fresh air of professionalism and he really does do a really good job i'd compliment

01:25:47.860 him but i don't want him to get too big for his boots yeah uh sneeder chuck the guy making the

01:25:52.740 thumbnails is like stone toss he doesn't miss um theme emerging here yeah lady dragonhawk there

01:25:57.180 are dozens of us female lotusus fans harry quick trying to erase us i'm glad that it's dozens

01:26:02.120 josh's mom does he's making accounts 444 000 subscribers and at least 24 women uh you get

01:26:12.640 disproportionate number behind the paywall because youtube's a very male dominated one but in our

01:26:16.480 comments you get a lot of female it just happens anytime a lot of thirsty women many such cases um

01:26:23.460 rob bayless on fire today gents good work yeah i thought this was a great show good fun always

01:26:27.740 back man it's been too long uh thomas howell tax the remittances to countries that won't take their

01:26:32.800 criminal class back or police migration through the land and watch how quickly they deal with it

01:26:35.900 well if you just ban remittances they'll stop coming yeah do that rescind the welfare state

01:26:40.060 ban cousin marriage which sweden's just done have they really sweden's just banned cousin marriage

01:26:43.920 good taxing isn't even a tarot if you tax it at 50 percent you know that's money going to the

01:26:48.540 government which is always good yeah but if they're going to spend it on like gay race

01:26:52.200 this is in a world where we where we are the government yeah but when we're the government i

01:26:56.700 will actually remove the majority of taxes for most things because let's be honest the the patriotic

01:27:01.300 british public will probably just pay a voluntary protection fee to the military because they'd like

01:27:05.840 it yeah like i i don't need to be taxed to you know pay most most taxes are completely

01:27:11.560 unnecessary when we consider what the money is going for 100 yeah world wutai jesus i see what

01:27:16.740 you've done for the hungarians and i want that for us exactly i can't wait to go back out there

01:27:20.200 it's gonna be so good uh faux pas can hungary get away with their anti-diversity pro-family rhetoric

01:27:24.580 because they're merely a stepping stone on the way to more desirable lands for diverse hordes to loot

01:27:28.380 uh no i think hungary can do this because there are still a homogenous population yeah so they

01:27:35.080 survive decades of cultural erasure under soviet communism but you as a culture can rebound if you

01:27:39.880 still have a people if you replace the people because we're behind the paywall now so we can

01:27:43.080 talk about the great replacement which isn't an anti-semitic conspiracy theory by the way

01:27:46.080 if you just replace the people then the culture can never recover so this is the problem we've

01:27:50.140 got at the moment about this is i mean there's i i bowed and spoke about this i don't remember who

01:27:53.740 said it originally but he says that liberalism uh communism rots the body but liberalism rots the

01:27:58.340 soul and this is what you see in the eastern european countries you see these countries that were

01:28:02.280 under the boot heel of communism but in the aftermath still retain their spirit you feel it in places

01:28:07.460 that hungry liberalism is an autoimmune disorder because it can't exert a preference for the

01:28:12.640 personal the particular and the national yeah and so it attacks the host while allowing foreign

01:28:17.040 pathogens to come in and corrupt you and take you over liberalism is aids i agree uh sven britain

01:28:22.300 is a laughing stock i had a guy on the phone yesterday tell me that his bank in switzerland

01:28:25.860 had laughed and described the uk as a third world country when he called them yes they're laughing

01:28:29.440 at us yeah again i've just been to turkey they've got you know some tourist areas are quite well

01:28:33.800 built up and they're an aspirational second world country some areas are still third world they're

01:28:37.980 rural there's rubbish everywhere things don't work cars break down i came back to the uk and went

01:28:42.420 through some of the suburbs in london which 10 years ago really quite nice we're a second world

01:28:46.560 country now yeah for sure without doubt because we've imported third world people and that's what

01:28:49.520 you get uh bleach steven if the option is being cool while winning elections and saving a nation or

01:28:54.400 being erudite whilst being pushed out the homeland and ground under the boot of stormtroopers

01:28:57.880 why call victory cheesy it's because cool is a cheesy word yeah we haven't got a better word

01:29:03.620 yet what about exciting yeah just return sexy sexy sexy exciting uh things like things like that i i

01:29:11.120 think um cool is essentially how do i put this it's been co-opted by cool britannia it's an american

01:29:17.500 it's american import from jazz lingo yeah it's like it's black american language basically and i want to

01:29:24.980 try and remove as much of that from my vocabulary as possible so i'd rather use a word like exciting

01:29:29.720 exuberant or vital yeah vital is good yeah um colin p why are there people wanting to take us

01:29:35.680 back into the eu if europe in general and france in particular is such a hellhole that people are

01:29:39.540 risking and losing their lives into the channel to escape it um because they don't conceive of

01:29:43.520 france as a hellhole they just conceive of every single country as an area in which

01:29:47.060 values and material prosperity can be showered upon blank slates yeah can i just say on this topic this

01:29:53.420 was actually something i meant to bring up in my segment but i didn't get around to it um

01:29:56.620 i actually i'm interested i know we've only got a couple of minutes left but i am actually quite

01:30:00.520 in principle in favor of a european union i think this is harrison's line as well yeah i think the

01:30:05.760 notion of a united europe um as a bulwark against the dark forces from the east and the west is a good

01:30:12.680 and desirable thing just the current incarnation of the eu is rubbish and and acts against at every turn

01:30:17.640 the interests of the european people but actually and i'm not talking about like a european nation

01:30:21.660 type vision but i am but i'm talking about and not not even a federalized europe just an idea that

01:30:26.140 it is it's desirable for the european peoples to be united and to be pointing in the same direction

01:30:30.280 i'd quite like the european peoples being essentially an extended family unit yeah coming with a shared

01:30:35.500 history with a shared history yes we've had lots of conflicts in the past but i think at this point

01:30:40.300 of modernity we can recognize uh that we have to band together to survive in the modern and this is the

01:30:45.380 point moreover we have more we have more in common than we have that separates us and and we're all in

01:30:50.260 this together there is a an ongoing attack a war against europe and against european peoples uh and

01:30:56.160 and division between you know petty infighting petty nationalism is only helping the cause of the

01:31:01.900 people who want to see europe literally raised to the ground i'd quite like a five eyes which isn't

01:31:07.060 just a spying agency on their native populations but as a sort of you know what i would actually be

01:31:12.200 happy as long as it was just the native populations of those countries i would almost be happy with a free

01:31:16.700 movement scheme with canada america australia pan angloism i'd be happy with that but at the

01:31:22.860 moment we're not going to get that and instead it just inflicts globo homo on us harry do you want

01:31:27.640 to do a few of yours before we wrap up uh yeah sure derrick power says make encyclopedia britannica

01:31:32.840 again encyclopedia britannica is still a decent source of information some of the pages are really

01:31:39.100 excellent some of them are like the one on yasuke the main character of the new assassin's creed

01:31:45.000 is edited by literally the guy who is right who uh wrote the book on him which is bollocks that was

01:31:51.340 a bullshit book jimmy mack the societal level of rage over the rape gangs is woefully inadequate it

01:31:56.300 makes my blood boil whenever it's discussed just as will be done one day one way or another i agree

01:32:00.380 ewan baker i was always told whilst at college 2006 to 2009 never to cite wikipedia as my source in my

01:32:06.140 work i always roll my eyes when some lefty gives it to me as their source as a gotcha moment can i go back

01:32:11.820 to the prior one i this is going to be very contentious that we clips out of context but

01:32:15.960 in the same way that october the 7th has become a redefinition of the israeli political paradigm

01:32:22.640 for jews both living in israel and abroad it's become never again again exactly the grooming gangs

01:32:27.780 should be that for us agreed it it should be if if we were allowed to as as a uniting political

01:32:34.200 formula we need our own never again yeah and i think that's the grooming gangs yeah and the final one

01:32:39.620 that we've got on the document here arizona desert rats the parents and families of these girls

01:32:43.760 being groomed or raped are panicking their daughter slash sister is being abused you can't ignore the

01:32:48.740 cost of individuals in order to protect what you believe is the best for society which really isn't

01:32:53.200 best for society the sad thing is lots of them didn't even have parents lots of them for care

01:32:57.520 homes so they preyed on the most vulnerable in government institutions in the government let

01:33:00.400 them get away with it anyway be back on that cherry note yeah in 25 minutes i'll be doing thompson

01:33:04.680 talks uh on an equally cherry note um some practical advice on how to avoid your government

01:33:08.500 being taken down after liz trusses was dispensed with charlie thank you very much for being back

01:33:13.580 great to be back where can people find you these days uh you can follow me everywhere at cf downs

01:33:18.580 d-o-w-n-e-s with an underscore on the end and i've got some quite interesting and exciting content

01:33:23.480 coming out in the next few weeks so uh stay tuned fantastic and also look at the center for migration

01:33:27.420 control for some excellent stats harry thank you as ever my friend thank you we will be back

01:33:31.160 tomorrow at one o'clock till then take care and goodbye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 10, 2024

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