The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1019

00:00:00.100 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for the 10th of the 10th, 2024.

00:00:05.800 It's the 10th of October. That means it's almost Halloween, if that matters to you for whatever reason.

00:00:11.680 But I'm joined by Harry.

00:00:13.240 Hello.

00:00:13.780 And Beau.

00:00:14.580 And it's going to be a good show and I'm going to talk in rhymes the whole time.

00:00:18.200 Please don't. Please don't.

00:00:20.360 I'm not actually.

00:00:21.620 And today Beau's going to talk about the new Tory leaders.

00:00:25.180 Harry's going to talk about his newfound love of Che Guevara.

00:00:28.580 He's not actually.

00:00:29.540 For reasons that might surprise you.

00:00:32.020 Watch to the end.

00:00:34.580 And I'm going to be talking about why I think overpopulation is a serious problem.

00:00:40.340 So, yeah, I think it's an aspect of immigration that we don't touch on very much.

00:00:44.480 But I have some announcements.

00:00:46.020 It's still the last week for Islander 2.

00:00:48.460 So if you're one of the few people who haven't bought it yet, please do.

00:00:53.780 I'm not going to push it that much because I imagine most of the people watching on the website, you've already made up your mind.

00:00:58.800 But here it is.

00:00:59.860 Please buy it.

00:01:00.680 It would be very nice of you to do so.

00:01:02.360 Everybody on the website has bought it by now.

00:01:04.260 You're right.

00:01:05.120 Yeah, you have, haven't you?

00:01:07.220 That's right.

00:01:08.080 You better have.

00:01:09.120 You better have.

00:01:10.420 But I'm going to be nice about it.

00:01:11.860 I'm not going to pressure you.

00:01:14.440 Also...

00:01:14.980 I'm going to beat you up a little bit. 0.97

00:01:16.620 Oh, and mild beatings. 0.95

00:01:17.940 Good for everyone.

00:01:19.260 But anyway, Lads Hour this Friday.

00:01:22.900 The quiz.

00:01:24.300 Sending questions to quiz at lotuseaters.com.

00:01:27.360 Same as the last one.

00:01:28.820 And upload video comment questions with answers to the relevant page, which we have up on screen at the minute.

00:01:35.120 Lads Hour number 49, pub quiz.

00:01:36.980 So you can upload them there, and they will be played.

00:01:40.340 I think it's going to be me and Stelios versus Carl and...

00:01:43.700 Harrison Pitt.

00:01:44.860 Harrison Pitt, yeah.

00:01:46.760 Carl's relying on outsiders to take down the strength of the lotus eaters.

00:01:51.480 He's like a tyrannical ruler that way, isn't he?

00:01:53.800 He's hired mercenaries against his own population.

00:01:56.880 Carl's literally the weff.

00:01:58.240 Harrison Pitt's like a ringer, like he's secretly won University Challenge or something.

00:02:02.280 I don't know.

00:02:03.480 He might be clever.

00:02:04.020 I think he is clever, but...

00:02:05.340 He seems clever, yeah.

00:02:06.180 No, he definitely is, sorry.

00:02:06.980 He seems like a clever guy.

00:02:08.220 No, he definitely is.

00:02:09.160 Let's speculate on Harrison Pitt's IQ for a few minutes, lads.

00:02:12.960 It's probably higher than mine, to be honest.

00:02:14.900 No, Stelios was a phenom last time.

00:02:17.580 Stelios was really good.

00:02:18.360 He was better, but we've got to be careful of Samson's questions.

00:02:22.280 Yeah, that's true.

00:02:23.080 Tricky.

00:02:23.500 Deliberately misleading questions. 1.00

00:02:24.640 Bastard questions. 0.90

00:02:26.880 Also, Common Sense Crusade, three o'clock today. 0.72

00:02:30.940 Calvin is here.

00:02:31.840 He is in the office right now from America.

00:02:33.580 He's flown in especially for this show.

00:02:36.560 I don't know what he's actually doing, but he's here and he's going to do it in person

00:02:40.040 in the studio, which I imagine isn't going to happen a lot when he's living out in the

00:02:44.760 States.

00:02:45.600 Father Robinson is in the building.

00:02:47.520 He is, yes.

00:02:48.680 So make the most of it while you still can.

00:02:51.280 And with all of that out of the way, tell us about what the evil people are doing, Beau.

00:02:56.700 Okay, well, just because it's in the news cycle, I thought kind of obliged to be bigger stories

00:03:02.160 to cover, at least for British politics.

00:03:04.320 And so there is the Tory leadership race.

00:03:06.460 Obviously, after they did terribly at the last general election, the leader is obliged to

00:03:11.920 step down.

00:03:12.560 They don't always, do they?

00:03:13.380 But when you really get a shellacking at a general election, the leader has to step

00:03:17.560 aside.

00:03:18.040 So old Rishi, brilliant leader that he was, leader of men that he was, moral leader.

00:03:23.120 Inspiration.

00:03:23.720 And inspiration, dominating the political scene for a generation, Rishi Sunak.

00:03:28.560 Pocket PM.

00:03:29.140 Has had to step down.

00:03:31.660 And so there's been a leadership race.

00:03:33.180 And now, finally, it won't be completely finished until November, I believe.

00:03:37.560 But we're now down to the final two.

00:03:40.420 And there was a, I thought we'd better talk about it.

00:03:43.820 So, I mean, our position here at the Lotus Seaters was very much zero seats.

00:03:48.580 We want to see the Tories completely annihilated, destroyed as a movement in an organization.

00:03:53.880 I still feel that way.

00:03:54.740 I think everyone at Lotus Seaters does.

00:03:56.180 So, in one way, don't really care who becomes a leader.

00:04:00.500 I hope, if anything, whoever it is, sinks them quicker and faster. 0.61

00:04:05.260 But there's a couple of different angles you can take on this.

00:04:07.220 So, I thought we'd talk about it a bit.

00:04:08.920 So, the last four, I believe, was that Tuganhat Cretin, James Cleverley, Arch Trader James

00:04:15.740 Cleverley, and then Kemi Badenoch, Arch Trader Kemi Badenoch, and Robert Jenrick, who's

00:04:23.580 also been in the party for a long time.

00:04:26.060 So, it looked like, in fact, I did a tweet which was within hours, completely out of

00:04:30.380 date.

00:04:30.900 It looked like Cleverley was leading the pack.

00:04:33.440 Well, he was leading the pack.

00:04:34.800 And I said a tweet saying, oh, it looks like Cleverley's probably going to win this.

00:04:37.380 And then, when it was down to the last three, this is like 36 hours ago or so.

00:04:41.640 And then yesterday, there was a vote just among the Parliamentary Party, i.e. just among

00:04:47.060 Tory MPs.

00:04:48.300 And there's only, what, 120?

00:04:50.680 121?

00:04:51.200 There's only 120-odd of them.

00:04:53.500 So, there's actually quite a small number.

00:04:55.920 So, five votes here or there can completely swing this thing.

00:04:59.980 So, Tugendhat got booted out because he couldn't be more wet of a person. 0.99

00:05:05.720 He's a nothing person.

00:05:06.580 More loyal to Ukraine than he is to Britain.

00:05:08.580 He also couldn't be less notable.

00:05:10.800 Right, yeah.

00:05:11.180 What comes to mind when you think of Tom Tugendhat? 0.99

00:05:16.600 Traitor.

00:05:17.700 Other than traitor, all of the negative Tory words we associate with the entire party. 0.97

00:05:24.600 Wet.

00:05:24.940 What comes to mind?

00:05:26.000 Because I'm drawing a blank.

00:05:27.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:28.940 I only know of him because I do this job, right?

00:05:31.940 Your average person will almost certainly not have heard of him.

00:05:34.980 Your average American watching almost certainly won't have heard of him.

00:05:37.220 And they're better off for it.

00:05:38.300 Yeah, right, yeah.

00:05:38.740 People would assume he was a children's character.

00:05:41.480 Tom Tugendhat, yeah.

00:05:43.040 He's a man without trousers, a man without a chest. 0.93

00:05:45.180 He's a nothing.

00:05:46.020 So, anyway, but he got to the final four.

00:05:47.940 Tells you what you need to know about the Tory party, doesn't it?

00:05:50.080 And so, it looked like Cleverley was leading the pack.

00:05:51.800 But then, surprise, yesterday afternoon, to whittle it down to the last two,

00:05:56.880 Cleverley gets booted out because you know how it works.

00:05:59.400 Once one person's booted out, it goes down to three.

00:06:01.440 And so, his 20 or 30 odd MPs that were voting for Tugendhat

00:06:05.040 then split up amongst whoever.

00:06:06.340 And the whole balance gets redrawn.

00:06:09.500 And Cleverley lost.

00:06:11.180 So, well, he was the frontrunner.

00:06:13.940 From an actual political perspective, I do think, you know,

00:06:17.620 if the Tories want any sort of hope of electoral victory in the future,

00:06:21.380 Jenrick would be who you would go for.

00:06:22.900 He's the only real candidate that I would think of who could bring some votes back to them.

00:06:29.300 If you were pro-Tory and wanted them to succeed in going forward.

00:06:31.940 If you were pro-Tory, and if you were an undecided moderate who sees the problems in the country

00:06:36.180 and see that Jenrick's actually speaking about them, I can see that he would win people over.

00:06:40.240 I was not expecting the Tories to go for him though, if only because I imagine the sentiment,

00:06:45.640 I got this wrong, but I would have imagined the sentiment within the Tory party would have been, 0.75

00:06:50.760 look, both of our candidates are black.

00:06:53.560 Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't do that. 0.51

00:06:55.160 Yeah, there would have been the smugness coming from it.

00:06:58.000 They would have been trying to lord it over Labour. 0.99

00:07:00.520 But look at how stale, pale and male Labour are, and look at how diverse and forward-thinking we are.

00:07:06.760 To be fair, Labour's very stale, pale and female these days, isn't it? 1.00

00:07:10.080 It's Keir Starmer and his harem of incompetence.

00:07:13.920 So before we go on and talk about the various angles of it and how the rest of it will play out,

00:07:18.260 we do have to, in the middle of the actual YouTube segment,

00:07:21.360 Shul the Islander, our magazine, because people will actually see it then.

00:07:25.560 So buy this magazine.

00:07:27.680 Loads of work's gone into it.

00:07:28.720 There's loads of great people that have written in it,

00:07:31.480 like Roar Egg Nationalist, Morgoth, AA, that Carl Benjamin fella,

00:07:37.180 Dave Green, the distributor, Stefan Molyneux and others,

00:07:39.660 including that big Josh Firm off Lotus Eaters.

00:07:42.240 He's not that.

00:07:43.660 Look at you, little man.

00:07:44.940 You're also in there, aren't you, midget? 1.00

00:07:46.320 Would you like me to put my seat up full? 0.87

00:07:48.920 No.

00:07:49.100 If anyone doesn't know what they're talking about,

00:07:50.400 I'm a normal-sized human being.

00:07:52.080 I'm like 5'9", 5'10".

00:07:53.260 These two guys are giants. 1.00

00:07:55.420 What are you, 6'3", and you're 6'5", or something stupid? 1.00

00:07:58.760 Harry's actually eight foot tall. 1.00

00:08:01.020 He stands up.

00:08:02.180 Calvin's 6'5", I'm 6'3", Josh is, you know, 5'11", or something like that.

00:08:07.300 I am not.

00:08:08.220 They're both well over 6'. 1.00

00:08:09.440 Well, it's stupid. 1.00

00:08:10.160 It's unfair. 1.00

00:08:11.100 They're hogging all the height.

00:08:12.000 You're bogart in the height.

00:08:12.880 I stole it from you.

00:08:14.020 I come in and I absorb the height of others around me.

00:08:16.480 It's a zero-sum game, and you've stolen it from short men.

00:08:19.660 If you leave food, Harry will eat it.

00:08:21.740 He's like a cat.

00:08:23.100 No, I'm actually very fussy.

00:08:24.340 But Dubai Islander, because it's one of our revenue streams, despite what some people

00:08:28.060 say, like Dave Borgen or Jada Franson or Nick Cotton, we're not funded by either Tel

00:08:36.120 Aviv nor Moscow.

00:08:39.040 It's all from our...

00:08:39.740 Or Tehran, either.

00:08:40.320 Or Tehran.

00:08:40.920 It's all from our subscriber base, and things like the Islander magazine, and a little

00:08:44.740 bit of merch, and the few super chats we get.

00:08:48.100 Which is why I live in it.

00:08:48.900 It does make a big difference, so please do buy it.

00:08:50.720 That's why I live in a miserable flat in Swindon.

00:08:52.900 Right. 0.98

00:08:53.560 He lives in an Indian hovel. 0.99

00:08:55.060 I actually do.

00:08:56.800 Please help me.

00:08:58.280 Spent a lot of our money on this video screen.

00:09:00.660 It's worth more than me.

00:09:01.560 I think we should be talking about the Tories.

00:09:03.340 Yeah, right.

00:09:03.780 No, yeah, yeah.

00:09:04.520 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:04.880 The Tories.

00:09:05.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:06.620 Good save.

00:09:07.240 Good save, Harry.

00:09:08.120 All right.

00:09:08.480 So the Tories.

00:09:09.400 Here's the BBC.

00:09:10.440 So it's down to Badenoch and Jenrick.

00:09:14.780 Both of which I've got no love for, of course. 0.51

00:09:18.400 They're both sort of crazy people, as far as I'm concerned, who haven't got our best interests 0.55

00:09:22.500 at heart. 0.98

00:09:23.340 Never have.

00:09:24.220 They might pretend they do.

00:09:25.660 Sometimes say words to that effect, but I don't trust them.

00:09:29.020 Don't believe them.

00:09:29.460 So there's two main schools of thought.

00:09:31.280 One, that Kemi wins, and hopefully then at the ballot box, at the next general election,

00:09:38.160 the Tories stay annihilated, if not lose more.

00:09:41.960 So that's one angle.

00:09:43.180 So if you want that, then you'd probably want her to win, you know, if you really were all

00:09:47.040 in for complete Tory annihilation.

00:09:49.400 So I think on the strength of it, I'm in two minds about what I would prefer.

00:09:53.520 There's either that or the other one is Jenrick wins, and then he has some sort of

00:09:58.060 based arms race with Nigel over who can be more based.

00:10:02.420 Now, maybe, maybe that.

00:10:05.320 I wouldn't mind that either.

00:10:06.380 If it does actually draw reform to the right, because despite my long and storied relationship

00:10:11.980 with the right and how much shade I throw at them on Twitter, oh sorry, with reform,

00:10:16.160 how much shade I throw at reform on Twitter, it's not about me.

00:10:19.200 If they are in any way, shape or form drawn to the right and start talking about deportations

00:10:24.000 and remigration, then I'm happy with that.

00:10:25.780 I don't care what it takes to do that.

00:10:27.600 This isn't about me and my vanity.

00:10:29.300 It's about getting our country back.

00:10:30.980 So if Jenrick is able to act as a vehicle to do that, then great.

00:10:36.520 Well, then the question becomes, do you trust either a Jenrick-led Tory party or reform

00:10:42.800 in that situation to actually uphold their promises and not stab you in the back?

00:10:46.120 I think Farage, in the Stephen Edgington interview where he says that it's politically impossible,

00:10:52.720 I think that Farage is very much married to his very liberal ideas.

00:10:57.360 And I think that he is genuinely presenting his beliefs authentically there.

00:11:04.120 Just based on his political track record, he's been pretty consistent on these sorts of things.

00:11:09.960 It's kind of difficult to walk that back.

00:11:11.440 That was one of the things that was surprising about that Edgington-Farage interview,

00:11:14.700 was that Nigel seemed to give himself no real wiggle room, did he?

00:11:19.960 He said it two or three or even four times.

00:11:22.720 It is impossible.

00:11:25.460 So, I mean, politicians can, of course, do 180s and go back on what they've said previously

00:11:29.400 and do often, but I don't feel like that's one of them.

00:11:31.860 That's why I'm edging towards I would probably rather Kimi win, 0.99

00:11:34.900 Kimi, and completely destroy, not Kimi Räikkönen, Kimi.

00:11:40.860 And so just destroy the toys because I don't think, even if Jenrick wins 0.95

00:11:44.780 and he's saying all this based stuff about re-migration and everything,

00:11:50.380 I don't think that would move Nigel.

00:11:53.300 Still don't think Nigel really moved much.

00:11:55.080 Yeah, I agree.

00:11:55.720 So if that is true, if that take, that guess of what the future holds is correct,

00:12:01.760 then it's not worth it.

00:12:03.140 You may as well go with Kimi then.

00:12:04.780 There are likely factions within the reform party, the younger factions,

00:12:08.940 who would want to pull the party and probably already do want to pull the party that way.

00:12:13.980 Because, you know, of course we know people who are in reform themselves

00:12:17.560 and they do want to pull the party that way

00:12:19.860 and they might be able to point towards Jenrick's rhetoric as a reason to shift rightwards.

00:12:26.280 Reform is sort of a dictatorship of the boomers at the minute, isn't it? 1.00

00:12:29.640 And they haven't really cottoned on to the nature of electoral politics at the minute.

00:12:33.900 And they're going to have to have a wake-up call if they're going to remain relevant.

00:12:38.820 So the thing is, just as you say, exactly that.

00:12:41.140 I mean, we had that young Charlie Downs in, didn't we, just yesterday?

00:12:44.460 Yesterday, yes.

00:12:45.040 Talking about it.

00:12:45.720 So, yeah, that's absolutely true.

00:12:47.860 A lot of the youngers, a lot of the Zoomers want to go that way. 1.00

00:12:51.460 Charlie and Honour were specifically at the reform party conference

00:12:53.760 and they were speaking about remigration and the need for lots and lots of people,

00:12:58.760 illegal criminals, people who are in this country illegally in the first place, 1.00

00:13:01.920 to be removed from the country. 0.62

00:13:03.560 And supposedly what they told me, and I think I saw the clip as well,

00:13:06.540 they were in a room that were full of the younger reform members

00:13:09.340 who all gave them a very big cheer for it.

00:13:11.460 And it was the older elements of the party that winced when he said it.

00:13:15.660 And all that's well and good and I will cheer them on and I'm behind them

00:13:18.900 and I back them up in all their endeavours.

00:13:21.480 The reality is, though, the party leadership, particularly the party leader,

00:13:25.680 has basically got last say over policy.

00:13:28.400 Nigel's a very stubborn person.

00:13:30.840 Often, it's a good thing.

00:13:32.400 That's how he got the Brexit.

00:13:33.180 He was very stubborn about Brexit and that was great, right? 0.99

00:13:36.940 I don't see, I hope it's not the case,

00:13:39.900 but I don't really see him being swayed on something like mass remigration

00:13:43.920 by even many, many loud voices like those of Conor and Charlie.

00:13:49.580 I hope he does.

00:13:51.040 I say I'm behind them, 100%.

00:13:52.740 I'm one of their cheerleaders on that.

00:13:55.220 I don't see Nigel sort of folding under that kind of pressure.

00:13:58.240 And that's the way it is with the party politics is that the leadership

00:14:01.920 and particularly the leader, and particularly with reform,

00:14:06.880 what the leader wants, that is what the policy will be.

00:14:09.760 So you're actually genuinely changing Nigel's mind.

00:14:12.580 That's hard.

00:14:13.540 That would be hard.

00:14:14.500 I feel like regardless of all the pressure from the likes of us,

00:14:17.320 from the likes of the young reformers, from the likes of Jenrick,

00:14:20.100 I don't think any of it will sway Nigel, really.

00:14:22.380 He says it's impossible.

00:14:24.100 And I think, as you said, he really believes that.

00:14:26.220 He absolutely believes that.

00:14:27.200 I think Nigel thinks that it would be electoral suicide

00:14:30.360 to start talking about mass remigration.

00:14:33.420 When I say things like this on Twitter,

00:14:34.560 there's always a small 10% of people saying that.

00:14:36.840 No, that would be insane.

00:14:38.360 They'd lose the few MPs they've already got.

00:14:40.540 They'd lose millions of votes if they started talking about that.

00:14:42.700 I think the exact opposite.

00:14:44.240 I think they would gain millions more votes if they started talking about that.

00:14:46.460 But there you go.

00:14:47.280 I think that's the calculation in Nigel's mind.

00:14:49.020 Anyway, back to the Tory race.

00:14:50.640 So, now it's down to two.

00:14:53.360 It actually gets thrown open to the Tory party membership,

00:14:56.040 which is tens of thousands of people.

00:14:59.020 We're not sure exactly how many they are,

00:15:00.520 because I think whenever the Tories themselves release how many members they've got,

00:15:03.680 they always exaggerate the number.

00:15:06.060 It's certainly in the tens of thousands.

00:15:08.380 A few decades ago, it used to be a couple million.

00:15:10.980 But nowadays, it's probably something more like 50,000 or 90,000.

00:15:15.040 There was actually a massive problem whereby they lost a lot of funding

00:15:19.180 because they lost so many members recently.

00:15:22.000 And it would be interesting to see which sections of their membership had lost.

00:15:25.880 Because in the past, normally the Conservative base, the members,

00:15:29.900 would normally be on the right-hand side of the party,

00:15:33.400 sometimes a lot further right than the actual parliamentary party.

00:15:36.980 And so you would imagine that they'd probably go for generic.

00:15:39.640 However, it's difficult to say,

00:15:42.060 because I've not necessarily been looking into it in great detail,

00:15:45.000 whether that disposition has remained with the Conservatives

00:15:49.680 or whether they've jumped ship to reform or just left the party,

00:15:52.640 which is entirely possible.

00:15:54.140 It wouldn't be shocking if it's mainly the Wets remaining as members. 1.00

00:15:58.060 I would say so as well, yeah.

00:15:59.540 I think that's the worry.

00:16:01.020 So the exact number isn't clear.

00:16:02.560 I think they claim they've got 90,000 members,

00:16:05.100 something in that ballpark.

00:16:05.960 But if you actually look at their company's house stuff,

00:16:09.240 it can't be much more than 50,000.

00:16:10.880 Anyway, it doesn't really matter.

00:16:12.140 It's a few tens of thousands of Tory party members

00:16:14.840 get to actually vote on the final two.

00:16:16.960 And it is a real litmus test, isn't it?

00:16:19.340 Do you want first-generation Kemi Badenoch?

00:16:22.140 Or do you want generic, who at least pretends to be a bit-based?

00:16:26.440 Now, actually, Samson, can you go to the tab that is the YouGov tab?

00:16:29.500 I think it's three further on from there.

00:16:31.920 And on that page, if you scroll down a bit,

00:16:33.840 there's some data and it looks like maybe Kemi is,

00:16:40.340 you know, slightly edges it, which would mean,

00:16:43.760 if that is the case, if it turns out that that is true,

00:16:45.680 or you scroll down a bit more, I think there's another one

00:16:47.360 where it shows a bit closer, things like this.

00:16:51.560 Well, then it would be the Wets that are left, 1.00

00:16:55.320 the Boomers that are terrified, 0.57

00:16:56.740 not only terrified of being called a racist or anything like that,

00:16:58.820 but they're dying to have a woman of colour lead them.

00:17:02.720 Right. 0.99

00:17:03.080 Has there ever been a more worthless set of individuals 0.83

00:17:05.820 than current Tory party members? 0.74

00:17:07.480 I think Father Robinson...

00:17:09.160 They already like...

00:17:10.160 I don't include him in that, because I think he's still...

00:17:12.360 They already like...

00:17:13.240 He's a member of UKIP now.

00:17:14.360 Oh, yeah, sorry, that's right.

00:17:15.260 Yeah, he's a UKIP man now.

00:17:16.240 Sorry, that's right.

00:17:16.880 I was going to say,

00:17:17.680 the Tory's already like bragging about these things.

00:17:19.980 First Jewish Prime Minister with Disraeli,

00:17:23.120 first woman Prime Minister,

00:17:24.940 second woman Prime Minister,

00:17:26.940 third, very, very temporary woman Prime Minister, 1.00

00:17:30.340 and then also the first Prime Minister of colour with Rishi Sunak.

00:17:33.900 And look how that turned out for them.

00:17:35.940 So I would not be shocked if,

00:17:37.780 simply for the sake of social justice virtue signalling,

00:17:40.960 they desperately...

00:17:41.940 There's a massive portion of that party

00:17:43.700 that desperately want first black woman. 0.98

00:17:46.920 So that even skips over first black Prime Minister.

00:17:49.680 That's one notch above in their estimations.

00:17:52.740 Yeah, cleverly wasn't virtue signalling enough for them.

00:17:55.780 Yeah.

00:17:56.180 They need...

00:17:56.980 They were looking at him and going,

00:17:58.040 well, he's a bit pale, but Badenog,

00:18:00.260 she's like Nigerian black. 0.99

00:18:02.680 Plus he's a male, which means toxic, 0.99

00:18:04.720 so not him, please.

00:18:07.040 But if I had to put a tenner on it right now,

00:18:09.000 I'd probably put it on generic,

00:18:11.180 because I still feel like,

00:18:12.800 and I can totally be proved wrong in November,

00:18:14.520 I'll probably revisit it then,

00:18:15.900 but I feel like the average Tory member still

00:18:18.100 is sort of a little Englander,

00:18:20.480 sort of semi...

00:18:21.160 probably a rural person living in a village,

00:18:24.140 and they may be sort of a boomer,

00:18:26.700 virtue signaler,

00:18:27.400 but they'd probably...

00:18:28.620 their gut still probably wants

00:18:29.960 someone like Jenrick over Badenog.

00:18:32.100 But I don't know.

00:18:33.300 I imagine it'll be close.

00:18:33.880 I think all the data says it's going to be close,

00:18:35.760 right, yeah, that's what I was going to say.

00:18:37.160 I think it'll be really close.

00:18:39.220 And I don't, personally,

00:18:40.460 I don't really mind one way or another.

00:18:43.940 I suppose what I really had to say,

00:18:46.900 I'd probably rather Kemi, 0.92

00:18:48.800 because that is a truer path to annihilation

00:18:51.720 for the party, for them.

00:18:53.360 I think, I hope.

00:18:54.460 Now, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

00:18:56.420 We were talking about this yesterday, weren't we?

00:18:58.580 And I basically said exactly that,

00:19:00.680 that I want to see the party destroyed.

00:19:02.800 It doesn't matter if they rehabilitate themselves. 0.97

00:19:05.040 They're too tainted with treachery

00:19:06.760 to ever warrant any electoral success whatsoever,

00:19:11.800 in my opinion.

00:19:13.200 In Australia, I think it was,

00:19:14.760 they had the Conservative Party

00:19:16.800 that got trounced a while ago now,

00:19:19.360 10 years ago old or something.

00:19:20.920 And everyone said,

00:19:21.440 oh, well, you know, that's a low ebb.

00:19:24.020 But they'll come back.

00:19:24.920 Obviously, they're an institution.

00:19:26.080 They've sort of been around forever,

00:19:27.000 sort of thing.

00:19:27.280 They'll surely come back at some point.

00:19:28.680 And they haven't really.

00:19:29.600 They haven't ever really recovered from that.

00:19:31.320 I'm hoping that's what will happen here.

00:19:33.520 So would we very, very quickly like to explain

00:19:36.200 why it is that this podcast in particular

00:19:38.680 has had such a complete 180

00:19:40.720 from a few years ago

00:19:42.100 when Karl was cheerleading Kemi?

00:19:44.440 Because I think we should just make it

00:19:45.900 very, very clear to people who are watching,

00:19:48.640 who might be a bit confused.

00:19:49.800 Do you remember those years?

00:19:50.800 Is it simply that none of us agreed

00:19:52.520 with Karl at the time?

00:19:53.860 Well, yes, but still.

00:19:55.520 Well, yeah, so Kemi back in the day,

00:19:58.300 and I think she still does,

00:19:59.560 made a very, very strong front on the trans issues.

00:20:02.480 But the trans issues now are a much lower order of priority

00:20:05.820 in comparison to mass migration,

00:20:08.760 which is the thing that will destroy this country

00:20:10.920 if it's allowed to continue at the pace it is currently.

00:20:13.800 And second of all,

00:20:14.840 ah, you've got it.

00:20:16.640 Yeah, Kemi is not an opponent of mass migration

00:20:19.400 in the slightest and has in the past

00:20:21.840 made moves and actively supported measures

00:20:25.260 to open up visa routes for people to get into this country,

00:20:28.120 as we can see here.

00:20:29.100 Let's play this little clip.

00:20:31.200 The great Steve Edgington on Twitter.

00:20:33.400 Give him a follow, for sure.

00:20:35.120 Oh, Mr. Speaker,

00:20:36.500 as a first-generation immigrant,

00:20:38.340 can I welcome the Home Secretary statement,

00:20:40.640 which I feel this immigration white paper

00:20:42.940 is a move from the 20th century

00:20:44.600 to a much better future immigration system.

00:20:47.500 In particular, I'd like to thank the Home Secretary

00:20:49.080 for removing the annual limits on work visas

00:20:51.540 and also on international students,

00:20:53.320 both of which I lobbied for

00:20:54.460 on behalf of the Wellcome Sanger Institute

00:20:56.360 and Anglia Ruskin University,

00:20:58.160 which serve my constituency.

00:20:59.760 Could he elaborate on how removing the work visa cap in particular... 1.00

00:21:02.940 Shut up, shut up. 1.00

00:21:04.000 So this is the same perspective given 0.99

00:21:06.320 by that recent interview with Preeti Patel,

00:21:09.200 where she was saying,

00:21:10.060 when she was questioned about

00:21:10.940 why is it that record numbers of people came in

00:21:13.240 while you were Home Secretary?

00:21:14.140 And she went,

00:21:14.820 oh, well, the NHS needed it.

00:21:16.040 Don't you want people to get the care that they need?

00:21:18.000 Do you want to let old people starve? 1.00

00:21:19.820 Is that what you want?

00:21:20.560 Do you want to let them die in the hospitals?

00:21:23.280 That was essentially the sort of hand-wringing excuses

00:21:26.280 that she was giving.

00:21:27.780 I'd rather just lower the national levels

00:21:29.960 of sex crime and street crime

00:21:31.720 and organised crime.

00:21:33.080 Rather that, actually.

00:21:33.980 And fix the economy and make houses cheaper.

00:21:36.920 Loads and loads of things.

00:21:37.960 Roads easier to try.

00:21:38.800 Nearly all our social ills, yeah.

00:21:41.200 One thing to say, just to finish up,

00:21:42.760 on why Cole was, even not too long ago,

00:21:47.040 and Conor and a few others,

00:21:48.140 sort of still saying, you know,

00:21:49.660 we can take,

00:21:50.160 before they were thrown out of the party themselves,

00:21:52.260 unceremoniously dumped from the party,

00:21:54.200 we'd take them over from the inside and stuff,

00:21:55.760 and a lot of us didn't agree at the time.

00:21:57.580 Some people think, still,

00:21:58.740 even I had this on Twitter

00:21:59.600 from an old reform guy just the other day,

00:22:01.800 saying that, like,

00:22:03.620 Cole's like some sort of party leader

00:22:05.080 who sets policy,

00:22:05.860 and we all get in line with what he says.

00:22:07.340 It's the furthest thing from the truth.

00:22:09.860 Cole lets us completely have our own opinions.

00:22:12.100 We disagree about,

00:22:13.480 all of us disagree about all sorts of things constantly.

00:22:16.340 I've explained...

00:22:16.840 And he's never, ever told us,

00:22:18.200 this is the line,

00:22:18.900 this is the low-seated line

00:22:20.020 that you must follow.

00:22:21.420 Not at all.

00:22:22.100 I've explained to people outside

00:22:23.320 who are always really shocked

00:22:24.600 because of how other businesses like ours

00:22:26.700 or the media industry businesses operate,

00:22:28.940 we have a remarkable level of editorial freedom.

00:22:31.940 Massive credit to Cole.

00:22:32.960 Yeah, so thank Cole for that.

00:22:34.960 Yeah, yeah, thank you.

00:22:35.620 Yeah, yeah, it's great.

00:22:37.340 There's a few red lines

00:22:38.300 where we know we'll just get yeeted

00:22:39.780 if someone says something like that, right?

00:22:41.760 Beyond that,

00:22:43.360 we're free to say more or less

00:22:45.160 exactly what we want and feel.

00:22:46.380 Certainly, Cole never tries to put words in our mouths,

00:22:49.160 the furthest thing from it.

00:22:50.720 So he's very enlightened as a boss in that way.

00:22:54.360 Got to give it to him.

00:22:55.240 Got to give it to him.

00:22:55.820 So, okay.

00:22:56.460 I think that's all I'm going to say on this.

00:22:58.880 Let us know in the comments

00:22:59.880 if you'd rather Jenrick or Badenoch

00:23:02.100 or whether you don't really care.

00:23:05.800 All right.

00:23:06.280 Shall we go through some of the rumble rants

00:23:07.580 before we go to my segment?

00:23:08.760 And indeed.

00:23:10.060 And would you like to read them, Bo?

00:23:12.480 No, you go ahead, if you wouldn't mind.

00:23:14.820 That's the most awkward way of reaching for it.

00:23:17.240 I couldn't see it.

00:23:18.820 That's fair.

00:23:19.560 I thought it was closer than it was.

00:23:20.340 Do you want me to read the rumble rants?

00:23:22.720 Sure.

00:23:22.960 Or would you like to?

00:23:23.480 Go ahead.

00:23:24.220 Okay, I'll read them.

00:23:25.080 You can do the honor.

00:23:25.560 So, all three are from That's a Random Name

00:23:27.820 who sent $1 each for them.

00:23:29.640 So, thank you very much.

00:23:30.560 Thank you. 0.98

00:23:30.900 We're like sheep hookers here. 1.00

00:23:32.380 We've explained it. 0.97

00:23:34.300 We mentioned that yesterday

00:23:35.780 and then he donated an extra dollar on one.

00:23:37.900 So, he sent one $2 one.

00:23:39.620 Said that he's currently saving up for something

00:23:41.400 that I can't remember off the top of my head.

00:23:43.280 No, no.

00:23:43.660 We'll take it.

00:23:44.300 I think he's in Canada

00:23:45.200 and I think he's trying to save up for a business

00:23:47.240 or a house or something.

00:23:48.500 So, you know, he's doing that thing that we all do

00:23:51.500 when we, you know, go like,

00:23:52.640 oh, I can throw a pound here and there

00:23:54.640 but actually we are probably draining all of his money anyway.

00:23:57.460 We do appreciate it.

00:23:58.120 So, thank you for that.

00:23:59.220 We're not ungrateful.

00:23:59.940 So, the first one,

00:24:00.640 I haven't bought the magazine

00:24:01.460 because of my Sisyphean trial.

00:24:03.120 That was how I referred to it yesterday.

00:24:05.400 But I'm thinking of 3D printing a statue of Bo's head

00:24:07.960 which will probably be cheaper

00:24:08.960 and rubbing it for good luck.

00:24:10.920 Thoughts?

00:24:11.620 I do that all the time.

00:24:13.660 Before I go on the podcast,

00:24:15.020 I give Bo's head a rub for good luck.

00:24:17.960 Like the, I think, is it in India

00:24:20.580 or it's sort of the Far East

00:24:22.260 where if they see a dwarf,

00:24:24.120 they rub their head.

00:24:26.020 You're obviously not a dwarf.

00:24:26.940 Bo is the equivalent of a dwarf for Josh and I.

00:24:29.340 I'm a normal size. 0.93

00:24:30.360 These guys are freak giant men.

00:24:33.100 See, I've known other follically challenged people in the past

00:24:36.920 and I've rubbed their head as well for good luck sometimes

00:24:39.280 and they get really annoyed about it.

00:24:41.220 No, it's a compliment really.

00:24:43.660 I wouldn't mind.

00:24:45.120 Bo's are very open to it, actually.

00:24:47.360 Like a little boy again when an adult goes,

00:24:48.740 here you go.

00:24:50.980 Who's a good Bo? 0.91

00:24:51.880 If you see Bo in person,

00:24:53.220 then you know what to do.

00:24:54.240 Don't do that.

00:24:54.540 Well, I mean, yeah.

00:24:55.440 I'll start throwing hands if I don't know you.

00:24:58.820 If it's from a friend.

00:25:00.960 Oh, there you go.

00:25:01.600 It's a different thing.

00:25:02.760 The next one. 1.00

00:25:03.480 I want whichever leader, prostitute in a suit, 1.00

00:25:05.900 is worse for the Tories. 1.00

00:25:07.040 As far as I'm concerned,

00:25:07.960 both the Tories and Reform are containment.

00:25:09.960 None of them will help Josh escape his hovel.

00:25:13.560 That's true.

00:25:14.860 Vote for whichever is Josh's best bet.

00:25:17.600 Please.

00:25:18.220 Please help me.

00:25:18.860 Vote for Josh.

00:25:20.200 That's a random name again.

00:25:21.860 What about the first black-faced prime minister?

00:25:24.480 We had one here in Canada,

00:25:26.240 and although his third world of politics

00:25:27.920 have been disastrous,

00:25:28.920 the diversity was well worth it.

00:25:31.020 Alternatively,

00:25:31.780 I would accept a white-faced Kemi. 0.50

00:25:35.820 That'd be great.

00:25:37.500 Kemi doing whiteface.

00:25:38.820 She just breaks out the sun cream.

00:25:41.820 We've got the shoe polish.

00:25:43.000 She's got the sun cream.

00:25:44.380 Do you remember that film?

00:25:44.980 Was it called White Chicks? 0.94

00:25:46.260 Where the Wayans brothers

00:25:47.320 dress up as white girls? 0.98

00:25:52.380 Have you seen that?

00:25:53.200 Have you ever seen that?

00:25:53.980 It's a travesty of a film.

00:25:56.060 I've watched it

00:25:57.000 because my missus really likes it

00:25:58.880 and finds it very funny.

00:26:00.020 Okay.

00:26:01.220 I never watched it,

00:26:02.180 never watched it,

00:26:03.220 but I've seen clips somehow,

00:26:04.580 and it'd be funny to see Kemi do that. 0.98

00:26:06.360 But anyway,

00:26:07.420 that's probably one of those red lines

00:26:08.840 we shouldn't cross and talk about.

00:26:10.200 Wait, so would she,

00:26:11.260 instead of being like a white woman, 1.00

00:26:12.920 would she dress as a white man? 0.86

00:26:14.080 Really, really try and improve her chances?

00:26:17.320 Yeah, I guess so.

00:26:18.060 Actually, that would reduce her chances.

00:26:19.440 Anyway.

00:26:20.140 Hurry up.

00:26:20.600 Josh is telling me to hurry up.

00:26:22.020 So, the legacy of Che Guevara.

00:26:25.380 I wanted to talk about this

00:26:27.040 because it turns out that yesterday,

00:26:29.460 Glorious Day,

00:26:30.500 was the 57th anniversary of his death.

00:26:33.560 Hooray! 0.97

00:26:34.360 9th of October, 1967.

00:26:37.260 I celebrated with a glass of wine.

00:26:40.620 As you should,

00:26:41.280 I'm sure many did across the country

00:26:43.080 and across the world.

00:26:44.380 And I thought we'd look at the legacy of Che Guevara.

00:26:46.800 And I wanted to ask the question,

00:26:48.800 why is it exactly the left still really like him?

00:26:52.560 I know that he's been turned, 0.52

00:26:53.920 ironically enough,

00:26:54.880 into a bit of a capitalist system,

00:26:56.740 symbol,

00:26:58.260 because he is the face of a lot of products out there.

00:27:02.100 Caps,

00:27:03.040 t-shirts,

00:27:04.320 logos.

00:27:05.020 I believe his image has been used for advertising things.

00:27:08.480 It is ironic, isn't it?

00:27:09.280 Things like washing detergent.

00:27:11.100 So, you know.

00:27:12.040 Yes.

00:27:12.960 When I was looking into this.

00:27:14.480 Venezuela or something.

00:27:16.040 Possibly.

00:27:16.600 Maybe even in California.

00:27:18.520 You use that detergent

00:27:19.500 and it makes your clothes more dirty than what you've done.

00:27:22.300 It makes them smell terrible.

00:27:24.540 I bet.

00:27:25.280 Smell like a Bolivian jungle. 0.92

00:27:28.380 But, yeah,

00:27:29.620 because when you look into the guy,

00:27:31.120 it's remarkable,

00:27:32.600 one,

00:27:32.860 how much his social views,

00:27:35.040 outside of his virtue signaling to the UN,

00:27:38.500 were out of step with the today's left,

00:27:40.360 and two,

00:27:40.820 how remarkably bad at whatever he tried to do,

00:27:44.500 he was.

00:27:45.660 Because I was looking into it

00:27:46.560 and they all celebrate him

00:27:47.540 as this amazing guerrilla revolutionary.

00:27:49.680 He helped Castro brothers

00:27:51.160 to overthrow the Batista regime

00:27:53.380 with his amazing guerrilla warfare.

00:27:55.380 He wrote the book on guerrilla warfare.

00:27:57.680 I've read that.

00:27:58.520 Yeah, 0.99

00:27:58.780 but it's rubbish 0.99

00:27:59.580 and his advice seems terrible 0.99

00:28:01.940 and every other campaign

00:28:03.340 that he engaged in

00:28:04.440 went terribly

00:28:05.460 and eventually got him killed.

00:28:07.700 Yeah, well,

00:28:08.700 taking advice on guerrilla warfare

00:28:10.540 from someone who died

00:28:11.780 doing guerrilla warfare

00:28:12.800 is probably not the best thing you could do.

00:28:15.100 Well, also,

00:28:15.980 from everything that I know about the conflict,

00:28:17.940 it was mainly because Batista's army 1.00

00:28:19.700 was rubbish 1.00

00:28:20.300 and very easily bribable 1.00

00:28:21.840 that they won in the first place.

00:28:23.760 In such cases.

00:28:24.740 He did fight many guerrilla campaigns

00:28:26.020 and the only one

00:28:26.740 that met with any real success

00:28:28.460 was in Cuba.

00:28:29.720 The final one in Bolivia

00:28:30.920 was an abject,

00:28:32.320 abject failure.

00:28:33.180 I don't think they turned

00:28:34.000 one Bolivian Indian native

00:28:37.040 over to their cause.

00:28:38.300 Not one.

00:28:39.280 Well, no,

00:28:39.680 there are remarks he made

00:28:41.400 in his diaries

00:28:42.240 saying about how annoyed he was

00:28:43.860 that none of the peasants

00:28:45.000 are siding with him.

00:28:46.460 One of the things I would say,

00:28:47.320 I'm fascinated by Che Guevara

00:28:49.140 in the same way I'm fascinated

00:28:50.100 by Stalin or Pol Pot or something.

00:28:51.740 Not that I agree with the man

00:28:52.940 on anything,

00:28:53.520 but still fascinated by his life

00:28:55.340 and fascinated by the story

00:28:58.520 of it all.

00:29:00.040 Have been for a long, long time.

00:29:01.480 I did all of Central and Mesoamerica

00:29:04.120 in the 20th century,

00:29:05.200 late 19th, early 20th century.

00:29:06.680 I'm going to do some epochs

00:29:07.700 about Mexico.

00:29:08.180 And this is on your epochs series.

00:29:09.740 Available for premium subscribers

00:29:11.200 to the website.

00:29:12.560 I did a Brokonomics with Dan

00:29:14.040 not too long ago,

00:29:15.860 or six months,

00:29:16.480 a year ago or so,

00:29:17.580 talking about a book called

00:29:19.420 Confessions of an Economic Hitman.

00:29:21.780 Where it talks all about

00:29:22.420 the 50s, 60s,

00:29:23.400 more 60s and 70s

00:29:24.560 about America's involvement

00:29:26.580 and the CIA,

00:29:27.380 the intelligence services involvement

00:29:28.600 in Central and Southern America.

00:29:30.880 So, know all about that.

00:29:32.120 It's a great book.

00:29:32.720 A very, very interesting book.

00:29:34.020 Just to say,

00:29:34.640 before I go on,

00:29:35.460 there's no real goodies

00:29:36.300 in this story.

00:29:37.700 It's not like America 0.89

00:29:38.740 are the goodies.

00:29:40.040 Like 1950s CIA

00:29:42.100 under Alan Dulles

00:29:43.060 are the goodies.

00:29:43.720 No, no, no, no.

00:29:44.680 They were supporting

00:29:46.220 military dictatorships

00:29:47.720 who murdered a lot of people.

00:29:49.340 I think Che Guevara 0.91

00:29:50.900 is a monstrous figure.

00:29:53.220 But I think Alan Dulles

00:29:54.600 is similar,

00:29:55.860 for example.

00:29:56.940 Batista is a monstrous figure,

00:29:58.780 in my opinion. 0.82

00:29:59.940 As is,

00:30:00.760 there's no real goodies in this.

00:30:02.480 Right?

00:30:02.680 That's my opinion.

00:30:03.760 So, anyway.

00:30:04.980 We are,

00:30:05.540 I am a riotist,

00:30:07.080 so I'm not going to

00:30:07.940 be any sort of apologist

00:30:09.140 for Che Guevara.

00:30:10.680 But I would say,

00:30:12.060 I did a bit of content

00:30:13.380 with Connor,

00:30:14.260 one of my earlier reports,

00:30:15.600 all about Lucky Luciano.

00:30:17.720 There's the big connection

00:30:18.500 between the mob

00:30:19.280 and the second Batista

00:30:20.960 premiership.

00:30:22.100 So I know about this topic,

00:30:23.620 in and around this topic,

00:30:24.360 a fair bit,

00:30:25.120 hopefully.

00:30:26.440 Well, you probably know

00:30:27.080 more than I do.

00:30:28.560 I've done some very,

00:30:29.640 very cursory research

00:30:30.600 into it.

00:30:31.120 But again,

00:30:31.680 from the research

00:30:32.340 that I have done,

00:30:34.240 Guevara just seems 0.99

00:30:34.960 a bit rubbish. 0.99

00:30:35.980 Well, I think he, 0.99

00:30:36.660 I honestly do think

00:30:37.780 he was something 0.96

00:30:38.700 like a psychopath. 0.99

00:30:40.620 Oh, yeah. 0.95

00:30:41.340 Judging by some of the stuff

00:30:42.320 that I've found,

00:30:43.140 yes.

00:30:43.660 Apart from the details,

00:30:44.740 and we can get into

00:30:45.340 and argue about,

00:30:46.000 the exact details

00:30:46.660 of what he ordered,

00:30:48.400 you get some commie,

00:30:49.500 modern day commie

00:30:50.200 apologist saying,

00:30:50.900 oh, he didn't do all,

00:30:51.520 he only ever executed

00:30:52.460 guilty people of things.

00:30:54.280 Anyway, we can get into it.

00:30:55.220 But one example,

00:30:55.960 one example,

00:30:56.780 during the Cuba missile crisis

00:30:58.620 or just after,

00:30:59.740 he said openly,

00:31:01.260 if our government,

00:31:02.740 because he was in

00:31:03.360 the Cuban government,

00:31:04.860 if our government

00:31:05.460 controlled those

00:31:06.260 ballistic missiles, 0.98

00:31:06.840 I would fire them, 0.97

00:31:08.420 it was up to me, 1.00

00:31:09.000 I would fire them on America. 0.97

00:31:11.660 So that's insane. 1.00

00:31:13.360 That's insane.

00:31:14.520 The Soviets 0.92

00:31:15.320 were embarrassed

00:31:16.740 by his police state.

00:31:19.360 The Soviets 0.92

00:31:19.720 in the 60s.

00:31:21.220 I see him,

00:31:21.880 I do see him

00:31:22.440 as a barrier type figure,

00:31:24.520 a monstrous person.

00:31:27.660 But there you go, 0.62

00:31:28.460 people out there

00:31:28.880 might disagree with me

00:31:29.600 and you will get

00:31:30.080 modern day apologists,

00:31:31.000 bread tubers or whatever

00:31:31.800 who say,

00:31:32.640 didn't do nothing. 0.98

00:31:34.740 No, he's a terrible person.

00:31:36.460 We know how to, 0.91

00:31:37.780 how to qualify

00:31:39.480 their judgments though,

00:31:40.420 don't we?

00:31:41.240 Yeah,

00:31:41.460 and I think your judgment

00:31:42.360 is brought out

00:31:43.600 by the facts as well

00:31:45.040 that I've got

00:31:46.220 in front of me right now.

00:31:47.520 So we'll get into that

00:31:48.300 in a moment.

00:31:48.760 First though,

00:31:49.700 don't buy Shea Guevara's book.

00:31:51.620 What you can do

00:31:52.140 is spend your hard-earned money

00:31:53.460 on Islander instead,

00:31:55.020 which you still only have

00:31:55.980 a very, very limited time to buy.

00:31:57.680 By the time this goes out

00:31:58.520 on YouTube,

00:31:59.160 you will likely only have

00:32:00.480 about 24 hours or so

00:32:02.360 to buy it

00:32:03.080 because this is the last week

00:32:04.040 it will be on sale.

00:32:05.100 £14.99,

00:32:07.120 well spent

00:32:07.960 if you pick up a copy.

00:32:08.900 So do that right now

00:32:10.920 or you're going to La Cabana.

00:32:13.620 So yeah,

00:32:14.380 Jacobin put this out

00:32:15.880 which is what got me

00:32:16.560 thinking about this

00:32:17.240 in the first place.

00:32:18.040 It was the,

00:32:18.600 you know,

00:32:19.000 a very smiling picture

00:32:21.340 of Shea Guevara.

00:32:22.160 Look at how well made up

00:32:23.340 he was.

00:32:24.200 Look at how iconic he was.

00:32:25.760 I mean, yeah,

00:32:26.140 he looks like

00:32:27.120 a Reddit mod.

00:32:28.040 He looks like

00:32:28.640 a scruffy cleaner

00:32:30.260 for whatever TV studio

00:32:32.020 that he's in.

00:32:32.560 These look like

00:32:33.260 cleaners overalls

00:32:34.260 and he is vaguely

00:32:35.580 Mexican looking.

00:32:36.340 I know he was Argentine.

00:32:40.040 He was an Archie,

00:32:40.460 wasn't he?

00:32:40.780 Yeah, he was an Archie

00:32:41.940 but still.

00:32:42.840 Spanish of Spanish.

00:32:43.520 He looks like

00:32:44.620 he would be,

00:32:45.240 you know,

00:32:45.580 asleep leaning

00:32:46.320 against his broom.

00:32:47.420 Oh, I saw sleeping.

00:32:48.740 I'm so tired.

00:32:50.000 I can't believe

00:32:51.060 I'm on my break.

00:32:53.960 But they pointed out,

00:32:56.140 you know,

00:32:56.420 they were celebrating

00:32:57.300 his life.

00:32:58.440 Revolutionary Shea Guevara

00:32:59.620 was executed

00:33:00.380 on this day in 1967.

00:33:02.380 The life of a single 1.00

00:33:03.280 human being

00:33:03.920 is worth more

00:33:04.580 than all of the property

00:33:05.960 of the richest man

00:33:06.980 on earth.

00:33:08.140 I'm sure he lived by this.

00:33:09.660 Oh yes.

00:33:10.260 This was one of his

00:33:11.120 leading first principles

00:33:13.060 of the value

00:33:14.000 of a single human life.

00:33:15.660 He would never take

00:33:16.580 a single human life.

00:33:17.820 It always had to be

00:33:18.460 multiples at a time.

00:33:19.920 Right.

00:33:20.920 I was going to say,

00:33:21.300 unless you're a

00:33:21.720 counter-revolutionary

00:33:22.680 in a revolution

00:33:23.400 he was involved in,

00:33:24.340 in which case

00:33:24.860 he would all do 0.86

00:33:25.460 your execution

00:33:26.180 without a blink of an eye.

00:33:28.760 Oh, he was ruthless.

00:33:30.240 I mean,

00:33:30.540 even then,

00:33:31.560 counter-revolutionary,

00:33:32.340 that suggests

00:33:32.880 that he'd done

00:33:33.440 some form of process

00:33:34.680 of determining guilt

00:33:35.900 and judicial trial

00:33:37.060 or anything.

00:33:37.640 No, no,

00:33:38.020 if you just had

00:33:38.720 a gut feeling

00:33:39.280 this is a wrong gun.

00:33:41.560 He'd only very occasionally 0.98

00:33:42.840 shoot people himself.

00:33:44.840 Oh, like all brave. 0.97

00:33:45.660 Like all brave men.

00:33:47.220 He merely ordered

00:33:48.160 thousands, 0.99

00:33:49.860 thousands to be shot. 0.98

00:33:51.580 The families of people

00:33:52.520 they thought were

00:33:53.060 counter-revolutionary.

00:33:54.460 I mean,

00:33:54.720 it's a Robespierre-style

00:33:56.400 reign of terror

00:33:58.300 he oversaw there.

00:34:00.080 Well, it's hard-baked

00:34:00.680 into all communist

00:34:01.400 revolutions

00:34:01.860 that any counter-revolution

00:34:02.980 must be stamped

00:34:04.660 into oblivion.

00:34:05.940 Well, it's also

00:34:06.960 an ideology

00:34:07.780 overwhelmingly driven

00:34:09.040 by envy and resentment.

00:34:10.720 Yeah.

00:34:10.900 And so, of course,

00:34:11.780 when you get people

00:34:12.700 who are from

00:34:13.860 the worst bottom rungs

00:34:15.780 of society

00:34:16.500 where they don't

00:34:17.080 really have morals

00:34:18.020 and it's all just

00:34:19.800 a crab-bucket problem

00:34:21.080 where they'll all

00:34:21.600 just pull each other down.

00:34:22.980 Of course,

00:34:23.240 if you're out of the bucket

00:34:24.160 they'll just try

00:34:24.680 and pull you in

00:34:25.520 and if you refuse 1.00

00:34:26.460 they'll kill you. 1.00

00:34:27.500 Or bougie middle-class people 0.99

00:34:29.080 that never really

00:34:29.800 got over the guilt

00:34:30.880 of that.

00:34:31.940 He was born into a family

00:34:32.900 much richer than mine.

00:34:34.420 He was brought up

00:34:34.880 in much more affluence

00:34:35.640 than I was,

00:34:36.400 for example.

00:34:37.020 He was a doctor,

00:34:37.720 wasn't he?

00:34:37.980 He lived in a big house.

00:34:38.880 I think they had servants.

00:34:39.780 I'm pretty sure they had

00:34:40.360 a servant or two.

00:34:41.780 He went to a medical uni.

00:34:43.400 His father did quite well

00:34:44.340 for them.

00:34:44.680 He was bourgeois. 0.99

00:34:47.660 A psychopath bourgeois. 0.99

00:34:48.960 Yeah. 0.89

00:34:49.500 Yeah, so this got

00:34:50.900 this kind of response

00:34:51.780 that you would expect.

00:34:53.940 Memes of Che Guevara

00:34:55.440 sending people to camps.

00:34:57.060 Oh, you're so sweet.

00:34:57.900 But when Adolf Hitler 0.94

00:34:58.920 does it,

00:34:59.340 all of a sudden

00:34:59.860 there's a problem.

00:35:01.320 And it makes you think,

00:35:02.500 well, people still go out

00:35:03.740 of their way

00:35:04.180 to try and defend him.

00:35:05.180 People still go out

00:35:05.880 of their way

00:35:06.120 to try to praise

00:35:07.580 his legacy.

00:35:09.040 And so I thought,

00:35:09.620 okay, what is it people

00:35:10.680 are still saying about him?

00:35:11.820 So I go to the one place,

00:35:13.520 here's one of the more

00:35:14.740 iconic photos of him.

00:35:16.880 Basically dead.

00:35:17.620 There's brown bread

00:35:18.180 in that one, right?

00:35:19.140 That might be one

00:35:20.100 where he's dead.

00:35:20.680 Yeah, I think that's

00:35:21.980 after he'd been killed.

00:35:23.360 So YouTube,

00:35:24.240 please don't demonetize us

00:35:25.900 for that one.

00:35:26.620 This is a Guardian article.

00:35:28.280 Might have to pixelate that out.

00:35:29.360 Yeah, might have to

00:35:29.900 pixelate that.

00:35:31.780 So this is from 2017

00:35:33.140 and they're talking

00:35:33.820 about his legacy

00:35:35.040 and what it was all for.

00:35:37.060 What was all the death

00:35:38.120 for, Shay?

00:35:39.080 What did you kill

00:35:39.960 all of those people for?

00:35:41.100 What were the children,

00:35:41.980 what did they die for?

00:35:43.180 Freedom, of course.

00:35:44.260 Yeah, so they say,

00:35:45.500 you know,

00:35:45.740 he did things,

00:35:46.460 he toppled Cuba's 0.99

00:35:48.540 US-backed dictator,

00:35:50.000 Batista,

00:35:50.740 or helped.

00:35:51.980 He lectured the United States

00:35:53.640 from a UN lectern,

00:35:55.340 so he, you know,

00:35:56.080 virtue signalled

00:35:56.860 on the grandest scale

00:35:57.900 imaginable.

00:35:58.160 Can't do that 0.99

00:35:58.620 without killing people. 0.98

00:35:59.420 Just quickly to say,

00:36:00.500 Batista, again,

00:36:01.560 in his second premiership,

00:36:03.020 was, it was,

00:36:03.640 it was extremely corrupt 0.98

00:36:04.900 and murderous himself. 0.95

00:36:06.360 He was running

00:36:06.800 a type of police state.

00:36:08.320 10,000, 20,000 people

00:36:09.220 were executed or murdered

00:36:10.420 for political reasons

00:36:11.600 under Batista

00:36:12.120 and he's extremely,

00:36:13.080 extremely, 0.99

00:36:14.100 corrupt 0.95

00:36:14.580 and letting the mafia, 0.67

00:36:15.780 it was like,

00:36:16.020 almost government by gangsters

00:36:17.580 and letting the mobsters, 0.79

00:36:18.960 people like Meyer Lansky

00:36:19.920 and Lucky Luciano

00:36:21.880 run a lot of things,

00:36:23.560 gambling and all sorts of stuff.

00:36:25.240 So it's not like Batista

00:36:26.160 was a good guy.

00:36:27.900 Let's just be clear about that.

00:36:29.140 But again,

00:36:29.620 just because the guy,

00:36:30.760 the toppling is a good guy

00:36:31.700 doesn't automatically make you

00:36:33.280 Two wrongs don't make a right,

00:36:34.300 do they?

00:36:34.540 Either.

00:36:34.900 No, of course.

00:36:35.860 And the US should be,

00:36:37.300 should be criticised

00:36:38.800 for supporting a regime

00:36:40.180 like that,

00:36:41.280 of course.

00:36:42.060 But also he penned treaties

00:36:43.960 on Marxism

00:36:44.720 and guerrilla warfare

00:36:45.580 and sought to export

00:36:47.020 socialism worldwide.

00:36:48.300 So these are the things

00:36:48.980 they're praising him for.

00:36:50.240 I don't see anything

00:36:51.480 praiseworthy

00:36:52.440 in that.

00:36:54.660 Obviously you could say,

00:36:55.720 oh well,

00:36:55.900 he toppled a dictator,

00:36:56.860 helped topple a dictator,

00:36:57.800 but again,

00:36:58.700 the regime that it was replaced

00:36:59.820 with was no better.

00:37:01.220 Many would say much worse.

00:37:03.020 To give you the measure of the man,

00:37:04.040 in the 50s as a younger chap,

00:37:06.180 he put his hand on a picture

00:37:07.700 of Stalin

00:37:08.360 and swore

00:37:09.920 that he would be a revolutionary,

00:37:12.320 a lifelong revolutionary

00:37:13.200 from that point onwards.

00:37:14.140 Now,

00:37:14.700 anyone in the 1950s

00:37:16.280 that does such a thing 0.99

00:37:17.200 is crazy,

00:37:18.860 in my opinion.

00:37:19.900 Ever since the show trials

00:37:21.120 and the purges

00:37:21.800 of the 1930s,

00:37:23.640 anyone that tried to keep up

00:37:24.880 the pretense of Stalin

00:37:25.860 was anything other than 0.92

00:37:27.080 a terrible, terrible tyrant.

00:37:29.600 It's just not being honest 0.70

00:37:30.780 with themselves

00:37:31.340 or reality

00:37:31.940 or history and things.

00:37:33.420 So if you do something

00:37:34.080 like that in the 50s,

00:37:35.960 Well, yeah,

00:37:36.560 because during the Second World War

00:37:38.380 and the 1940s,

00:37:39.960 obviously there was

00:37:40.520 the whole Uncle Stalin

00:37:41.640 picture that the US

00:37:43.060 and Britain was trying

00:37:44.020 to promote of Stalin.

00:37:45.060 Oh yeah, well,

00:37:45.860 the Soviets were bad, 1.00

00:37:47.340 but now they're helping us

00:37:48.160 fight the Nazis.

00:37:48.980 They're great.

00:37:49.560 Uncle Stalin,

00:37:50.260 he's a good guy.

00:37:51.220 They're fighting for freedom.

00:37:52.280 I've seen pictures

00:37:53.220 literally of a Soviet

00:37:54.520 soldier

00:37:55.060 and this was

00:37:56.040 American propaganda

00:37:57.100 where it said

00:37:57.860 in big bold letters,

00:37:59.240 This man is your friend.

00:38:01.120 He fights for freedom.

00:38:03.120 That's not what

00:38:03.860 they were fighting for.

00:38:05.260 That's not,

00:38:05.960 they were just basically

00:38:06.820 fighting to repel,

00:38:08.100 to throw out Germans 1.00

00:38:09.700 who had tried

00:38:10.120 to invade them.

00:38:11.040 Remember that was

00:38:11.500 only a moment of time

00:38:12.280 during the war,

00:38:13.100 both before and after

00:38:14.220 that period

00:38:14.960 that the Soviets

00:38:15.820 were the enemy.

00:38:17.080 After,

00:38:17.500 as soon as the Cold War

00:38:18.820 becomes entrenched,

00:38:21.100 then all of a sudden

00:38:21.740 they go,

00:38:22.160 okay,

00:38:23.120 Stalin was,

00:38:23.800 maybe he was a good

00:38:25.140 guy a little bit

00:38:25.920 during that period

00:38:26.520 because he helped

00:38:26.960 us fight Hitler,

00:38:27.480 but now he's a bad

00:38:28.620 guy again.

00:38:29.180 Remember the show

00:38:29.740 trials of the 30s

00:38:30.560 were done openly,

00:38:31.600 effectively.

00:38:33.040 So there's just

00:38:34.060 no denying

00:38:34.640 what Stalin was.

00:38:36.600 Then by,

00:38:37.480 you know,

00:38:37.820 his death in 53,

00:38:38.880 you get,

00:38:39.260 what was it,

00:38:39.880 Khrushchev

00:38:40.440 with his,

00:38:41.020 yeah,

00:38:41.760 de-Stalinization

00:38:42.440 and the anti-Stalin

00:38:44.140 speech that was

00:38:44.860 supposedly secret

00:38:45.600 but got leaked

00:38:46.240 immediately.

00:38:47.100 So everybody knew

00:38:47.960 what a bad person

00:38:49.080 he was.

00:38:50.040 And overgrown,

00:38:52.220 emotionally bankrupt

00:38:53.400 children like

00:38:54.740 Che Guevara

00:38:55.380 see a mass-murdering 0.89

00:38:57.080 tyrant

00:38:57.520 who managed to

00:38:58.620 wield power

00:38:59.420 with an iron fist

00:39:00.480 who crushed all

00:39:01.100 of his enemies

00:39:01.500 and go,

00:39:01.880 well,

00:39:02.000 I want to be that.

00:39:02.800 Yeah.

00:39:03.400 That's what I want

00:39:04.040 to do.

00:39:04.800 Same with Mao.

00:39:06.000 Yeah.

00:39:06.520 I mean,

00:39:06.880 Che Guevara was a

00:39:07.540 cold warrior,

00:39:08.860 right?

00:39:09.100 That's what he was,

00:39:10.480 right?

00:39:10.680 As a man of his time

00:39:11.440 as everyone is doomed

00:39:12.760 to be.

00:39:13.260 He was a cold warrior

00:39:13.840 and did see lots and

00:39:15.140 lots of,

00:39:15.600 lots of poverty

00:39:16.540 but he just incorrectly

00:39:18.600 puts that down to

00:39:19.380 capitalism and that's

00:39:20.460 the fault of capitalism

00:39:21.500 entirely.

00:39:22.620 It's not how it works.

00:39:23.900 In fact,

00:39:24.820 you know,

00:39:25.380 the profit motive,

00:39:26.960 these people,

00:39:27.380 these places would have 0.75

00:39:27.940 been much worse off

00:39:29.460 if it wasn't for the

00:39:30.760 profit motive.

00:39:31.000 Well,

00:39:31.140 yeah,

00:39:31.300 the free exchange of

00:39:32.180 goods and services

00:39:33.040 was not the problem.

00:39:34.800 Right,

00:39:34.980 exactly,

00:39:35.520 exactly.

00:39:36.380 So,

00:39:36.780 well,

00:39:37.000 we just look at the

00:39:37.680 example of Cuba

00:39:38.600 itself,

00:39:40.080 how it stayed

00:39:41.140 backwards,

00:39:42.120 essentially,

00:39:42.600 economically speaking

00:39:43.280 in all sorts of

00:39:43.840 ways because they

00:39:45.660 don't have a free

00:39:46.240 economy.

00:39:46.580 There's no better

00:39:47.160 thing to raise

00:39:48.640 people out of

00:39:49.180 poverty than a

00:39:50.260 free market.

00:39:51.820 But they just

00:39:52.360 won't accept,

00:39:52.920 they just don't

00:39:53.340 accept that,

00:39:53.920 do they?

00:39:54.660 Well,

00:39:54.940 I mean,

00:39:55.360 some of the people

00:39:56.080 in the kinds of

00:39:56.820 countries that he

00:39:57.500 was attempting to

00:39:58.400 liberate now maybe

00:40:00.900 have changed their

00:40:01.500 tune a little bit

00:40:02.180 because amusingly

00:40:03.440 in this article

00:40:04.040 they include some

00:40:04.740 figures,

00:40:05.080 now these would

00:40:05.520 have been from

00:40:06.080 2017,

00:40:07.400 so we're talking

00:40:08.100 seven years old,

00:40:09.180 but at the time

00:40:10.100 Pew Research had

00:40:11.160 done some work

00:40:12.820 looking into the

00:40:13.720 opinions of Latin

00:40:14.520 Americans aged

00:40:15.360 18 to 29,

00:40:17.300 they were,

00:40:17.980 about 72% of them

00:40:19.680 viewed the US

00:40:20.680 favourably by

00:40:21.880 2017,

00:40:22.760 which is basically

00:40:23.240 the opposite of

00:40:24.500 what Che Guevara

00:40:25.240 wanted,

00:40:25.940 probably because the

00:40:26.660 sorts of policies

00:40:27.320 that he had

00:40:28.020 promoted for so long

00:40:29.140 and tried to

00:40:29.680 implement everywhere

00:40:30.360 are so obviously

00:40:31.620 disastrous and leave

00:40:33.000 you in poverty and

00:40:34.020 unable to feed or

00:40:35.060 clothe yourself and

00:40:35.960 you die too young.

00:40:37.680 No,

00:40:37.820 absolutely,

00:40:38.420 absolutely.

00:40:39.080 I mean,

00:40:39.300 if you look at

00:40:39.820 earlier in his life

00:40:40.500 before the Cuba

00:40:41.140 period,

00:40:42.020 he goes to

00:40:42.780 Guatemala and

00:40:44.280 again in the

00:40:45.080 Brokonomics I did 0.75

00:40:45.800 with Dan,

00:40:46.340 all about

00:40:46.760 confessions of an

00:40:47.640 economic hitman,

00:40:48.540 we talk all about

00:40:49.040 Arbenz,

00:40:49.900 Arbenz Guzman,

00:40:50.700 who is the leader of

00:40:51.620 a sort of a

00:40:52.360 populist leader

00:40:53.680 of Guatemala and

00:40:56.020 he threw out the

00:40:56.640 United Fruit Company,

00:40:57.460 which was a CIA front

00:40:59.420 company and

00:41:00.280 there was all sorts

00:41:01.420 of exploitation going

00:41:02.300 on,

00:41:03.260 right?

00:41:03.800 So,

00:41:04.380 it's not that

00:41:04.820 that's not the

00:41:05.360 case,

00:41:05.660 it's not that

00:41:06.640 quote unquote

00:41:08.380 capitalism was

00:41:09.420 completely pure in

00:41:10.980 Central and Southern

00:41:11.620 America in the

00:41:12.620 post-war period,

00:41:13.500 it wasn't.

00:41:14.280 The United Fruit

00:41:14.960 Company,

00:41:15.480 it was a pretty

00:41:16.220 terrible thing,

00:41:17.420 but it doesn't mean

00:41:17.980 let's bring in

00:41:18.680 Maoist style,

00:41:21.220 sort of having no

00:41:22.220 private property and

00:41:24.060 all that sort of

00:41:24.600 thing,

00:41:24.820 because one thing he

00:41:25.340 did in Cuba once

00:41:26.280 after they became the

00:41:27.000 government,

00:41:27.460 one thing is he

00:41:29.080 asked everyone to

00:41:31.040 hand in their

00:41:31.520 agricultural implements,

00:41:33.200 agricultural tools,

00:41:35.100 and they would smelt

00:41:36.320 them down into the

00:41:37.000 original materials and

00:41:38.020 make other things,

00:41:38.600 classic Maoist policy

00:41:40.340 that is,

00:41:40.680 that's straight out of

00:41:41.280 the Great Leap

00:41:41.700 Forward,

00:41:42.420 and completely mad,

00:41:45.060 completely mad,

00:41:46.260 it doesn't work,

00:41:47.120 it just simply doesn't

00:41:47.820 work.

00:41:48.180 Well,

00:41:48.340 the decision that

00:41:49.040 you're describing

00:41:49.820 that is the

00:41:50.360 decision to take all

00:41:51.320 of the tools that

00:41:52.040 you know works and

00:41:53.420 then reforge them

00:41:54.520 into something that

00:41:55.300 we hope works,

00:41:56.120 question mark,

00:41:56.940 or maybe just

00:41:57.700 re-appropriate them

00:41:58.560 for some other use

00:41:59.540 opposed to agriculture?

00:42:01.680 Well,

00:42:01.820 the materials you get

00:42:02.480 out of them,

00:42:03.040 the iron or steel you

00:42:04.300 might smelt down,

00:42:04.960 is going to be of a

00:42:05.540 really poor quality,

00:42:07.180 and now the people

00:42:07.920 just don't have the

00:42:08.760 tools to work the

00:42:09.280 land anymore,

00:42:10.560 so famine may well

00:42:12.920 ensue.

00:42:14.020 It's completely 0.52

00:42:14.860 bonkers.

00:42:15.400 People say, 0.98

00:42:15.860 lots of people say

00:42:16.420 about Che Guevara

00:42:17.060 that he was some

00:42:17.500 sort of political

00:42:18.060 genius,

00:42:18.940 not at all,

00:42:20.060 not at all,

00:42:20.620 he was some sort of

00:42:21.060 philosopher.

00:42:21.300 When he was in

00:42:21.900 the equivalent of

00:42:22.600 high school,

00:42:23.080 he was hanging

00:42:23.560 with undergrad

00:42:24.980 students and he

00:42:25.780 was more clever

00:42:26.300 than them.

00:42:27.060 Yeah,

00:42:27.240 well,

00:42:27.600 it couldn't have

00:42:28.420 been a very high

00:42:28.920 bar then because

00:42:29.840 this guy was a bit

00:42:31.360 generally people

00:42:32.620 like that that I've

00:42:33.660 found tend to just

00:42:34.660 be pretentious 0.98

00:42:35.840 arses. 0.98

00:42:36.840 They think they can

00:42:38.360 hang out with people

00:42:39.460 who are older and

00:42:40.520 cooler than them,

00:42:41.480 but really they're

00:42:42.380 just talking out of 1.00

00:42:43.180 their arse and have 1.00

00:42:43.780 no idea what they're 1.00

00:42:44.700 talking about.

00:42:45.720 What you said right

00:42:46.280 near the beginning,

00:42:46.740 other than the

00:42:47.340 Cuban campaigns,

00:42:48.740 everything he turned

00:42:50.240 his hand to,

00:42:50.900 it sort of was

00:42:51.640 either a very,

00:42:53.680 very big or if not

00:42:55.080 an abject failure.

00:42:56.740 So I don't think he

00:42:57.800 was very good in any

00:42:59.580 respect.

00:43:00.280 So that might be why

00:43:00.980 leftists like him so

00:43:02.220 much still.

00:43:02.940 You know,

00:43:03.520 oh my God,

00:43:03.920 he failed at

00:43:04.440 everything he ever

00:43:05.360 did,

00:43:05.640 just like me.

00:43:07.280 Maybe I can have my

00:43:08.400 face on a t-shirt

00:43:09.260 one day.

00:43:10.260 Like the one thing

00:43:11.120 he was successful at

00:43:12.000 was standing next to

00:43:13.620 Castro in a picture.

00:43:15.320 That's the thing he's

00:43:16.520 most remembered for,

00:43:17.600 really.

00:43:18.120 He also,

00:43:19.020 you know,

00:43:19.240 he gave a speech at

00:43:20.620 the UN by December

00:43:22.700 1964.

00:43:24.460 Wikipedia describes

00:43:26.320 him as a

00:43:26.740 revolutionary statesman

00:43:27.980 of world stature,

00:43:29.740 as, you know,

00:43:30.760 all of the communists

00:43:31.580 were in the 1960s

00:43:32.820 because for some

00:43:33.900 reason the

00:43:34.480 international community

00:43:35.500 seemed to hold

00:43:36.740 quite a few of them

00:43:37.460 aloft.

00:43:38.440 Interesting,

00:43:39.020 in an anti-communist

00:43:39.880 period.

00:43:40.660 On 11th December,

00:43:41.780 during his hour-long

00:43:43.160 impassioned address at

00:43:44.100 the UN,

00:43:44.560 he criticised the

00:43:45.260 United Nations

00:43:45.940 inability to confront

00:43:47.120 the brutal policy of

00:43:48.060 apartheid.

00:43:48.520 Again,

00:43:48.880 I've got to ask,

00:43:49.760 why are you letting

00:43:50.720 this man,

00:43:51.220 if the UN is supposed

00:43:52.140 to be a large

00:43:53.340 international bulwark

00:43:54.360 for peace in the

00:43:55.540 world,

00:43:55.840 why even let him

00:43:56.600 give a speech?

00:43:57.520 By this point,

00:43:58.080 everybody knows that

00:43:58.940 he's essentially a

00:43:59.680 mass murderer, 0.86

00:44:00.940 not a good person,

00:44:01.860 but the UN does

00:44:02.500 anyway,

00:44:03.200 probably because,

00:44:03.900 you know,

00:44:04.100 he gives voice to

00:44:05.080 all of these things

00:44:05.840 that the international

00:44:07.080 community already

00:44:08.260 supported,

00:44:09.100 which was anti-colonialism.

00:44:10.480 The British Empire

00:44:11.220 is dying,

00:44:11.780 the US needs more

00:44:13.240 rhetoric to support

00:44:14.200 the destruction of

00:44:14.880 the British Empire.

00:44:16.040 Well,

00:44:16.420 okay,

00:44:17.000 let's put this guy up

00:44:18.200 and he's going to

00:44:18.580 give a massive virtue

00:44:19.560 signal social justice

00:44:21.000 speech,

00:44:21.300 which he did,

00:44:22.060 and then he criticised

00:44:22.960 the US as well,

00:44:23.980 saying, 0.93

00:44:24.220 those who kill their 0.57

00:44:25.400 own children and 0.77

00:44:26.140 discriminate daily

00:44:26.940 against them because

00:44:27.640 of the colour of

00:44:28.280 their skin,

00:44:29.060 those who let the 1.00

00:44:29.760 murderers of blacks 1.00

00:44:30.660 remain free, 0.99

00:44:31.660 protecting them and

00:44:32.380 furthermore punishing 0.99

00:44:33.220 the black population, 0.99

00:44:34.420 because this is after

00:44:35.660 the Civil Rights Act

00:44:36.960 as well,

00:44:37.960 so this is all 0.99

00:44:38.580 rubbish. 0.99

00:44:39.660 This is all 1.00

00:44:40.680 outdated rubbish 0.97

00:44:42.120 by this time, 0.86

00:44:43.300 and there were

00:44:44.060 already massive riots

00:44:45.380 going on in the US

00:44:46.720 each year,

00:44:47.960 you had,

00:44:48.900 like,

00:44:49.280 the Summer of Love

00:44:49.960 in 2010 times 10

00:44:51.620 each year for most

00:44:53.220 of the 1960s

00:44:54.280 in a lot of

00:44:55.240 US cities.

00:44:56.340 Navarro was simply

00:44:57.280 an agent of chaos,

00:44:58.400 in my opinion.

00:44:59.360 He'd go from

00:44:59.780 Argentina to

00:45:00.920 Bolivia to

00:45:02.480 Peru to

00:45:03.580 Guatemala to

00:45:04.840 Cuba to

00:45:05.520 the Congo

00:45:06.120 trying to just

00:45:08.160 ferment chaos

00:45:09.340 and then talk

00:45:11.440 about apartheid

00:45:12.740 and then talk about

00:45:13.540 civil rights in

00:45:14.160 America,

00:45:14.740 just in any

00:45:15.560 possible way here

00:45:16.340 we can sow

00:45:16.900 division and chaos

00:45:17.820 and misery.

00:45:20.640 Well,

00:45:20.880 and his writing

00:45:21.920 since have been

00:45:22.540 used a lot for

00:45:23.140 that as well

00:45:23.660 because he did

00:45:24.120 write a lot,

00:45:24.740 he wrote a lot

00:45:25.160 of his diaries

00:45:25.800 and he wrote

00:45:26.260 a few books

00:45:27.580 as well,

00:45:28.180 mostly Marxist 0.73

00:45:30.020 nonsense about

00:45:30.880 the need to

00:45:31.740 divest humanity

00:45:32.800 of the necessity

00:45:34.260 of working for

00:45:35.660 profit motives.

00:45:36.840 Work,

00:45:37.240 I suppose,

00:45:37.880 in this will

00:45:39.160 just be done

00:45:39.720 because it's

00:45:40.840 done.

00:45:41.680 People will

00:45:42.120 just work

00:45:42.540 because they'll

00:45:43.020 work.

00:45:43.840 They won't need

00:45:44.480 any reason to

00:45:45.300 work,

00:45:45.600 they'll just do

00:45:46.100 it,

00:45:46.600 which is Marxist 0.67

00:45:47.540 fantasy nonsense. 0.61

00:45:48.740 You read the

00:45:49.160 guerrilla one,

00:45:49.700 didn't you?

00:45:50.140 Yeah,

00:45:50.320 of course.

00:45:51.240 Yeah,

00:45:51.600 it was obvious

00:45:53.560 just like if you

00:45:55.080 capture people's

00:45:56.120 communications you

00:45:57.160 can stop them

00:45:57.680 from communicating

00:45:58.500 or making sure

00:46:00.440 you have enough

00:46:01.080 food is very

00:46:02.420 important.

00:46:03.260 It was so common

00:46:05.580 sense as to be

00:46:06.680 a waste of time.

00:46:08.380 There wasn't

00:46:08.640 anything that I

00:46:09.180 read and thought

00:46:09.600 wow,

00:46:09.980 that's interesting

00:46:10.700 and it's also

00:46:11.560 very out of date

00:46:12.520 as well because

00:46:13.080 a lot of the

00:46:13.560 technology is

00:46:14.120 talking about

00:46:14.740 the importance

00:46:16.200 of having

00:46:16.760 certain kinds

00:46:18.120 of medicine

00:46:18.660 and things

00:46:19.040 like that

00:46:19.360 and it's just

00:46:19.620 like oh,

00:46:20.300 if you're

00:46:20.620 fighting in a

00:46:21.080 jungle you 0.99

00:46:21.480 need medicine.

00:46:23.460 Well done.

00:46:24.200 Slow hand clap

00:46:24.940 for Shay.

00:46:25.780 Yeah,

00:46:25.940 I did see some

00:46:26.540 excerpts that

00:46:27.220 some were posting

00:46:27.860 from it as well

00:46:28.420 where he was

00:46:28.900 advising don't

00:46:30.160 wait for the

00:46:30.700 conditions to be

00:46:31.460 right to attack.

00:46:32.760 If the weather's

00:46:33.520 not on your side

00:46:34.400 just do it anyway

00:46:35.120 because you feel

00:46:35.680 like it.

00:46:36.880 I think the idea

00:46:37.940 was that he made

00:46:38.780 it as simple

00:46:39.560 and basic as

00:46:40.200 possible to try

00:46:40.860 and get as many

00:46:41.360 people to read

00:46:42.200 it but in so

00:46:43.760 doing it made

00:46:44.420 it far less

00:46:44.860 valuable.

00:46:45.640 Perhaps he could

00:46:46.180 have written

00:46:46.480 something a bit

00:46:47.020 better but at

00:46:47.720 the same time

00:46:48.400 knowing that he

00:46:49.740 wasn't really

00:46:50.660 that adept at

00:46:52.140 what he did.

00:46:53.260 I don't think he

00:46:54.260 would have been

00:46:54.500 the best person

00:46:55.080 for this sort of

00:46:55.640 thing.

00:46:56.460 I read some of

00:46:57.420 the motorcycle

00:46:57.960 diaries.

00:46:58.480 It was dull.

00:47:00.220 Early on in his

00:47:00.700 life he went on

00:47:01.320 a long,

00:47:02.500 a couple of

00:47:03.120 long trips

00:47:05.820 on motorbike.

00:47:06.580 I've seen that

00:47:07.020 actually,

00:47:07.400 that film.

00:47:07.880 I've not.

00:47:08.780 The book,

00:47:09.300 isn't it,

00:47:10.320 dull as dishwater.

00:47:11.640 I'm imagining 0.81

00:47:12.380 the film is going

00:47:13.240 Del Toro,

00:47:13.900 isn't it,

00:47:14.280 playing him?

00:47:15.000 A long time

00:47:15.660 ago,

00:47:15.960 it's like 2007.

00:47:16.560 I suppose the

00:47:17.160 film is,

00:47:17.620 I would assume,

00:47:18.500 is idealising it

00:47:19.700 quite a lot.

00:47:20.580 Yeah,

00:47:20.700 yeah.

00:47:21.660 He's a good

00:47:22.020 guy,

00:47:22.320 just sees injustice

00:47:23.040 in the world,

00:47:23.920 wants to fight

00:47:24.500 against that.

00:47:25.340 Yeah,

00:47:25.660 he just hated 0.92

00:47:26.520 South African

00:47:27.200 apartheid and

00:47:28.080 what was happening

00:47:28.740 to his fellow

00:47:29.520 people,

00:47:30.080 his fellow

00:47:30.460 workers of the

00:47:31.280 world.

00:47:31.720 They needed to

00:47:32.280 unite to break

00:47:33.040 their chains.

00:47:34.060 Thank you,

00:47:34.500 Hollywood.

00:47:34.980 Very cool.

00:47:37.020 The left have

00:47:37.940 gone back,

00:47:38.400 since gone back

00:47:39.000 and assessed him

00:47:39.620 though,

00:47:39.840 like this Jacobin

00:47:40.600 article from

00:47:41.160 2016,

00:47:42.040 which I found very

00:47:42.840 interesting.

00:47:43.420 There's not really

00:47:43.880 much point reading

00:47:44.560 it because literally

00:47:45.340 his only point is

00:47:46.260 he wasn't socialist

00:47:47.540 enough.

00:47:49.140 They see the

00:47:49.920 guiding principle

00:47:51.540 of organisation,

00:47:53.660 meaning that you

00:47:54.300 have to have

00:47:54.840 leaders at the

00:47:55.460 top actually

00:47:55.980 organising the

00:47:56.620 people below,

00:47:57.760 which even for

00:47:59.160 somebody as 1.00

00:47:59.940 rubbish as 1.00

00:48:00.500 Guevara was 1.00

00:48:01.460 obvious because,

00:48:03.020 well,

00:48:03.180 yeah,

00:48:03.340 you need leaders.

00:48:04.180 It's too good.

00:48:04.980 That's not good

00:48:05.560 enough.

00:48:06.320 Not good enough

00:48:06.880 for Jacobin.

00:48:07.680 They say,

00:48:08.220 well,

00:48:08.400 you weren't

00:48:08.760 democratic enough.

00:48:09.740 People just,

00:48:10.520 in the same way

00:48:11.100 that Marxists

00:48:11.920 thinking is,

00:48:12.800 well,

00:48:12.900 people will

00:48:13.320 just work

00:48:13.740 because they'll

00:48:14.180 just work.

00:48:15.240 That's as far

00:48:16.320 as the principle

00:48:16.880 goes.

00:48:18.420 Organised movements

00:48:19.220 will just kind of

00:48:19.960 happen without

00:48:21.880 leadership.

00:48:23.180 So that's as far

00:48:24.120 as their criticism

00:48:24.880 goes,

00:48:25.860 that he was a

00:48:26.360 leader,

00:48:26.780 therefore bad,

00:48:27.880 because leader

00:48:28.560 is hierarchical,

00:48:30.160 therefore hierarchy

00:48:30.960 bad,

00:48:31.620 you know, 0.72

00:48:31.960 nonsense.

00:48:32.900 I would have

00:48:33.480 thought the fact

00:48:33.980 that he,

00:48:34.380 you know,

00:48:34.720 ordered the

00:48:35.200 execution of 0.99

00:48:35.900 12-year-olds 0.98

00:48:36.580 would be the

00:48:38.400 things that

00:48:38.920 you would

00:48:39.220 want to

00:48:39.880 criticise him

00:48:40.640 for,

00:48:41.480 or even

00:48:42.160 from a

00:48:42.520 modern

00:48:42.740 leftist

00:48:43.220 perspective,

00:48:44.600 like is

00:48:45.980 written about

00:48:46.540 in here,

00:48:47.420 the fact that

00:48:48.160 he was not

00:48:49.120 exactly socially

00:48:50.960 progressive in

00:48:52.000 some ways.

00:48:52.620 He worked

00:48:53.100 with a lot,

00:48:53.680 he worked in

00:48:54.060 the Congo,

00:48:54.780 and he worked

00:48:55.240 with black

00:48:56.180 revolutionaries. 0.98

00:48:56.820 They hated 0.99

00:48:57.160 gays, 0.99

00:48:57.640 didn't they? 0.95

00:48:58.420 They tried to

00:48:59.040 eradicate all 0.99

00:48:59.700 gays from Cuba 0.99

00:49:00.400 at one point.

00:49:01.120 Was that a thing?

00:49:01.760 They were

00:49:02.260 rounded up

00:49:02.780 and put into

00:49:03.240 concentration camps,

00:49:04.340 which Guevara

00:49:04.920 helped set up,

00:49:05.780 yes,

00:49:06.100 but they're not

00:49:07.400 going to mention

00:49:07.720 anything like that.

00:49:08.700 That's inconvenient.

00:49:10.280 But they don't

00:49:11.000 mention also,

00:49:11.700 you know,

00:49:12.020 he wrote about

00:49:12.660 when he was in

00:49:13.320 the blacks 0.97

00:49:15.000 living in

00:49:15.880 Caracas,

00:49:16.440 Venezuela,

00:49:17.240 he said

00:49:17.660 that they were

00:49:19.200 magnificent examples

00:49:20.320 of the African race

00:49:21.460 because they didn't

00:49:22.260 bathe at all.

00:49:24.100 And he praised

00:49:25.220 their racial superiority 0.96

00:49:26.480 because of that.

00:49:27.860 Very interesting.

00:49:28.800 That's the most

00:49:29.860 commie thing

00:49:31.340 I've ever heard.

00:49:32.160 He praised them

00:49:32.980 for not washing.

00:49:34.120 Yes.

00:49:34.800 I mean,

00:49:35.160 can you imagine

00:49:35.720 this guy

00:49:36.580 who spent most

00:49:38.060 of his adult life

00:49:39.080 smelly in the bushes

00:49:40.300 of a jungle somewhere

00:49:41.360 praising people

00:49:42.800 for not washing?

00:49:44.060 But the most

00:49:44.540 interesting stuff

00:49:45.120 comes from this article

00:49:46.260 which has a lot

00:49:46.780 of good information.

00:49:48.460 So I'll just read

00:49:49.460 some of this

00:49:49.980 and it'll talk

00:49:51.020 about some of the

00:49:51.460 stuff that you've

00:49:51.940 been talking about

00:49:52.660 there as well,

00:49:53.440 Bo,

00:49:53.640 and explain

00:49:54.360 kind of what he did

00:49:55.720 after the Cuban 0.57

00:49:57.240 revolution,

00:49:58.040 which really cements

00:49:58.920 his legacy

00:49:59.480 in leftist size.

00:50:00.580 Not because he was

00:50:01.200 any kind of

00:50:02.020 social progressive

00:50:03.180 or actually good

00:50:04.560 at what he did.

00:50:05.380 Mainly that he was 1.00

00:50:06.380 a childish psychopath 1.00

00:50:07.400 who did everything 1.00

00:50:08.420 he could to butcher

00:50:09.560 his enemies 0.93

00:50:10.140 at every opportunity.

00:50:11.600 Which, of course,

00:50:12.440 we know is the real

00:50:13.360 guiding principle

00:50:14.520 of the left.

00:50:15.220 He was a member

00:50:15.580 of the Jacobin Club.

00:50:17.280 That's why I say

00:50:17.700 I think of him

00:50:18.280 like a Robespierre.

00:50:19.700 At some point, 0.97

00:50:20.920 you have to murder 1.00

00:50:21.720 everyone that's 1.00

00:50:22.420 standing against you.

00:50:25.240 And he did.

00:50:26.200 Go ahead.

00:50:26.520 So, in April 1967,

00:50:28.760 speaking from experience,

00:50:29.820 he summed up his

00:50:30.640 idea of justice

00:50:31.560 in his message

00:50:32.360 to the Tri-Continental,

00:50:33.860 saying,

00:50:34.300 Hatred as an element

00:50:35.300 of struggle

00:50:35.840 and bending hatred

00:50:36.960 for the enemy

00:50:37.580 which pushes a human 0.94

00:50:38.580 being beyond

00:50:39.260 his natural limitations,

00:50:40.580 making him into

00:50:41.300 an effective,

00:50:42.020 violent,

00:50:42.380 selective,

00:50:42.780 and cold-blooded 0.72

00:50:43.400 killing machine. 0.88

00:50:45.740 That's pretty out there. 1.00

00:50:48.160 Pretty psychopathic. 0.72

00:50:49.960 And they give some

00:50:50.840 examples of him

00:50:51.740 being a cold-blooded 0.91

00:50:52.820 killing machine.

00:50:54.360 So, after the collapse

00:50:55.500 of the Batista regime,

00:50:56.920 Castro put him in charge

00:50:57.960 of La Cabana prison.

00:50:59.620 Guevara presided

00:51:00.420 during the first half

00:51:01.200 of 1959.

00:51:02.840 And there's some

00:51:03.520 examples given here.

00:51:04.500 So, Javier Azuega,

00:51:06.520 the Basque chaplain

00:51:07.680 who gave comfort

00:51:08.500 to those in the prison

00:51:09.400 who were sentenced

00:51:10.020 to die

00:51:10.760 and personally witnessed

00:51:11.780 dozens of executions,

00:51:13.420 spoke to the author

00:51:14.200 of this article recently

00:51:15.480 and he said that

00:51:17.960 there were about

00:51:18.520 800 prisoners

00:51:19.620 in a space

00:51:20.280 fit for no more

00:51:21.080 than 300.

00:51:21.880 Former Batista

00:51:22.520 military and police

00:51:23.360 personnel,

00:51:24.180 some journalists,

00:51:24.900 a few businessmen

00:51:25.520 and merchants.

00:51:26.340 The Revolutionary Tribunal

00:51:27.600 was made of militiamen.

00:51:29.000 Che Guevara presided

00:51:30.020 over the appellate court.

00:51:32.680 He never overturned

00:51:33.680 a sentence.

00:51:34.220 I would visit those 0.76

00:51:34.880 on death row.

00:51:35.880 A rumour went around

00:51:36.720 that I hypnotised prisoners

00:51:37.820 because so many

00:51:38.700 remained calm.

00:51:39.920 So, Che ordered

00:51:40.700 that I be sent

00:51:41.520 to be present

00:51:42.640 at all the executions.

00:51:44.320 After I left in May,

00:51:45.380 they executed many more

00:51:46.420 but I personally

00:51:46.960 witnessed 55.

00:51:48.380 There was an American,

00:51:49.380 Herman Monks,

00:51:49.920 apparently a former convict

00:51:51.180 who was called

00:51:51.720 The Butcher

00:51:52.420 because he enjoyed

00:51:53.640 giving the order

00:51:54.420 to shoot.

00:51:55.240 I pleaded many times 0.98

00:51:56.220 with Che on behalf

00:51:57.000 of prisoners.

00:51:57.840 I remember especially

00:51:58.620 the case of

00:51:59.200 Aria Lima,

00:52:00.000 a young boy.

00:52:01.520 Che did not budge

00:52:02.380 nor did Fidel

00:52:03.080 who I visited.

00:52:03.920 I became so traumatised

00:52:05.080 that at the end of May

00:52:05.880 I was ordered

00:52:06.720 to leave the parish

00:52:07.700 where La Cabana

00:52:08.740 was located

00:52:09.520 and where I had held

00:52:10.520 mass for three years.

00:52:11.560 I went to Mexico

00:52:12.320 for treatment.

00:52:13.280 The day I left,

00:52:14.000 Che told me

00:52:14.600 that we had both

00:52:16.460 tried to bring

00:52:16.980 one another

00:52:17.340 to each other's side

00:52:18.160 and failed.

00:52:19.240 His last words

00:52:19.900 to me were

00:52:20.380 when we take

00:52:21.120 our masks off

00:52:21.860 we will be enemies.

00:52:24.280 Pretty forceful.

00:52:26.280 And the first

00:52:26.780 forced labour camp,

00:52:28.120 Guanahacabibs,

00:52:30.000 don't know if I'm

00:52:30.640 pronouncing that right,

00:52:31.700 was set up in

00:52:32.340 western Cuba

00:52:32.980 at the end of 1960.

00:52:34.500 This is how

00:52:35.000 Che explained

00:52:35.780 its function.

00:52:36.800 We only send

00:52:37.460 to this camp

00:52:38.220 those doubtful cases

00:52:39.300 where we are not sure

00:52:40.220 people should go

00:52:41.060 to jail.

00:52:42.120 People who have

00:52:42.720 committed crimes

00:52:43.560 against revolutionary

00:52:44.560 morals,

00:52:45.520 so political thought

00:52:46.440 crimes,

00:52:47.240 to a greater

00:52:47.860 or lesser degree.

00:52:49.200 It is hard labour,

00:52:51.320 not brute labour,

00:52:52.660 rather the working

00:52:53.560 conditions there

00:52:54.360 are hard.

00:52:55.260 This camp was

00:52:55.840 the precursor

00:52:56.500 to the eventual

00:52:57.080 systematic confinement

00:52:58.300 starting in 1965

00:52:59.580 of dissidents,

00:53:01.480 homosexuals,

00:53:02.400 aid victims, 0.62

00:53:03.340 Catholics,

00:53:03.980 Jehovah's Witnesses,

00:53:05.200 Afro-Cuban priests

00:53:06.320 and other such peoples

00:53:07.640 under the banner

00:53:08.620 of the military units

00:53:10.160 to help production.

00:53:11.800 So just any

00:53:12.400 political dissident,

00:53:13.880 anybody they didn't like,

00:53:15.620 gets sent to

00:53:16.360 the gulags,

00:53:17.040 basically.

00:53:18.320 And the great

00:53:19.480 revolutionary,

00:53:20.320 it says as well,

00:53:21.040 when he's talking

00:53:21.560 about his economics,

00:53:22.900 Marxist economics

00:53:23.680 always end well,

00:53:24.520 as we know,

00:53:25.040 how did they end

00:53:25.560 in Cuba?

00:53:26.380 His idea of social

00:53:27.420 justice,

00:53:27.900 he was the head

00:53:28.580 of the National Bank

00:53:29.480 of Cuba

00:53:29.980 and the Department

00:53:30.620 of Industry

00:53:31.240 at the end of 1959

00:53:32.820 and starting in

00:53:33.880 early 1961

00:53:34.860 as Minister of Industry,

00:53:37.700 most of the Cuban

00:53:39.280 economy saw near

00:53:40.360 collapse of sugar

00:53:41.280 production,

00:53:42.080 the failure of

00:53:42.860 industrialisation

00:53:43.780 and the introduction

00:53:44.740 of rationing.

00:53:46.220 And this is at the

00:53:46.760 point, you know,

00:53:47.420 where just whatever

00:53:48.620 you want to criticise

00:53:49.340 Batista for,

00:53:50.760 it was one of

00:53:51.680 Latin America's

00:53:52.440 foremost economically

00:53:53.640 successful countries

00:53:54.860 since before the

00:53:55.860 dictatorship of

00:53:57.320 Batista.

00:53:58.200 And that's what,

00:53:58.940 you know,

00:53:59.200 his economic policies

00:54:00.160 reduced the country to.

00:54:01.180 So well done.

00:54:02.160 Well done.

00:54:02.620 So leftists love

00:54:04.100 Shea because he 1.00

00:54:05.140 was a useless, 1.00

00:54:07.840 petty, 1.00

00:54:08.800 childish, 0.99

00:54:10.020 cold-blooded 1.00

00:54:10.560 killing machine 0.98

00:54:11.580 murderer who 0.96

00:54:13.280 never achieved

00:54:14.400 anything good

00:54:16.080 in his life.

00:54:18.580 That's his legacy.

00:54:20.180 There we go.

00:54:22.120 Okay.

00:54:25.020 So obviously

00:54:26.580 we discuss

00:54:27.640 mass migration

00:54:28.740 and its negative

00:54:29.380 effects all of the

00:54:30.420 time and yes,

00:54:32.320 obviously we point

00:54:33.280 out the negative

00:54:33.920 effect it has on

00:54:34.840 the economy and

00:54:35.520 society constantly.

00:54:37.180 It's all we do.

00:54:38.260 And one of the

00:54:38.800 major factors I think

00:54:39.960 in this that we

00:54:40.960 don't address as

00:54:41.760 much is the effect

00:54:43.200 of overpopulating

00:54:44.360 certain areas and

00:54:45.740 specifically in Europe

00:54:47.460 because it is more

00:54:48.380 densely populated

00:54:49.260 than perhaps other

00:54:50.160 areas.

00:54:50.600 You can see some of

00:54:53.160 the overpopulation

00:54:54.020 effects in some

00:54:54.880 American cities,

00:54:56.100 for example,

00:54:56.660 countries like the

00:54:59.000 US, Canada,

00:54:59.760 Australia still have

00:55:00.620 a lot of

00:55:01.100 uninhabited land

00:55:02.160 and so perhaps

00:55:03.200 it's less of an

00:55:03.800 issue but that

00:55:04.320 doesn't mean that

00:55:05.400 I think you need

00:55:06.240 any immigration.

00:55:07.160 That's not what

00:55:07.520 I'm trying to say

00:55:08.200 but I think that

00:55:09.140 this sort of

00:55:09.840 discussion is

00:55:10.320 actually very

00:55:10.780 important and

00:55:11.520 I'm sort of

00:55:12.440 surprised it's

00:55:13.040 taken me this

00:55:13.660 long to do

00:55:14.120 this segment.

00:55:15.040 So what we're

00:55:15.380 going to do is

00:55:16.140 look at the

00:55:16.480 situation in the

00:55:17.160 UK as a bit 0.52

00:55:17.840 of an example

00:55:18.440 because it's

00:55:18.960 what we all

00:55:19.420 know best but

00:55:21.080 we'll be

00:55:21.420 identifying factors

00:55:22.700 that should apply

00:55:24.120 to any society

00:55:25.140 because I think

00:55:25.760 that there's

00:55:26.220 something common

00:55:27.280 in human nature

00:55:28.180 that we can

00:55:28.640 identify here

00:55:29.640 that is true

00:55:30.640 of all human

00:55:31.780 beings and some

00:55:32.680 of the questions

00:55:33.100 we'll be asking

00:55:33.700 and answering

00:55:34.380 is why is

00:55:36.040 continual population

00:55:36.920 growth undesirable

00:55:37.940 and also why

00:55:39.520 are native

00:55:40.160 populations either

00:55:41.020 remaining static

00:55:41.880 or declining and

00:55:42.900 we have some

00:55:43.340 pretty compelling

00:55:43.860 answers to some

00:55:44.560 of these but

00:55:45.340 what I do need

00:55:46.240 is that magazine

00:55:47.480 there.

00:55:49.180 This, speaking

00:55:50.560 of answers,

00:55:51.560 has a lot of

00:55:52.160 answers to a lot

00:55:52.860 of questions that

00:55:53.620 you want answering.

00:55:54.360 You don't know

00:55:54.820 you want them

00:55:55.200 answering yet

00:55:55.780 but they will

00:55:56.920 give you answers.

00:55:58.080 It's only on

00:55:59.300 sale for a very

00:56:00.100 short amount of

00:56:00.800 time now,

00:56:01.560 only perhaps even

00:56:02.660 a few days until

00:56:03.840 it goes off of

00:56:04.460 sale and then

00:56:05.060 it's gone.

00:56:05.700 You'll never be

00:56:06.140 able to buy it

00:56:06.580 again so make

00:56:07.560 sure to get it.

00:56:08.660 That's all.

00:56:12.180 Anyway, there

00:56:13.680 was this that was

00:56:14.800 doing the rounds

00:56:15.300 on Sky and Carl

00:56:17.080 shared this yesterday.

00:56:18.500 I want us to watch

00:56:19.440 it because I think

00:56:20.000 it's interesting and

00:56:20.880 it highlights the

00:56:21.480 point and it's

00:56:22.280 also surprising as

00:56:23.120 well that this was

00:56:24.180 played on the

00:56:25.260 mainstream news

00:56:26.080 because it's quite

00:56:26.700 important.

00:56:27.960 We've just had some

00:56:28.640 extraordinary population

00:56:30.320 figures that have

00:56:31.420 come through.

00:56:31.900 Some of it might be

00:56:33.140 unsurprising but some

00:56:34.060 of it is pretty

00:56:34.840 shocking.

00:56:35.660 This is showing you

00:56:36.420 the overall picture.

00:56:37.300 So this is the UK

00:56:37.920 population going back

00:56:39.040 the last 100 years or

00:56:40.040 so and the latest

00:56:41.240 number mid-2023,

00:56:42.540 68.3 million.

00:56:44.720 That increase,

00:56:45.760 actually, if we look

00:56:46.500 at this, okay, so

00:56:47.320 break it down.

00:56:47.960 Don't just look at the

00:56:48.660 level but look at the

00:56:49.700 changes, so anything

00:56:50.500 going up or down

00:56:51.380 year on year.

00:56:52.700 This particular bar

00:56:53.880 here, that is the

00:56:55.980 single biggest increase

00:56:57.100 that we've seen, just

00:56:58.380 under 1%.

00:56:59.340 The single biggest

00:57:00.360 increase in the

00:57:00.980 population that we've

00:57:01.660 seen going all the

00:57:02.460 way back to 1948.

00:57:05.080 Okay, so a massive

00:57:05.900 year in terms of the

00:57:06.680 increase in the

00:57:07.120 population.

00:57:07.920 Why did it increase?

00:57:08.940 Well, let's drill

00:57:09.800 down, okay?

00:57:10.340 So what we'll look at

00:57:11.060 is here's the bar for

00:57:12.300 2022.

00:57:13.240 We'll take this over

00:57:14.220 here and explain why

00:57:15.940 it is, what contributed

00:57:17.080 to it going up, okay?

00:57:18.860 So 2022, 67.6 million.

00:57:22.260 Usually, one of the

00:57:23.080 main things pushing up

00:57:23.940 the population is what's

00:57:25.040 happening with domestic

00:57:26.240 births and deaths, okay?

00:57:27.680 So you've got domestic

00:57:28.340 births, that was 664,000.

00:57:31.020 So that pushed it up, but

00:57:32.800 here's what's pretty much

00:57:33.740 unprecedented.

00:57:34.440 The number of deaths in

00:57:35.400 the UK over that period

00:57:36.600 was actually higher, so

00:57:38.200 680,000.

00:57:40.140 And so just look at that

00:57:41.240 bar.

00:57:41.760 It is below where it was

00:57:43.460 last year.

00:57:43.960 If you're just looking at

00:57:44.900 the UK, the natural

00:57:45.840 population.

00:57:47.080 It's the first time

00:57:47.680 we've seen that in a

00:57:48.700 serious sense, basically

00:57:50.480 ever, going back to

00:57:51.280 recorded history.

00:57:52.660 And the main thing that

00:57:53.980 in the end pushed this

00:57:55.140 number, this bar up, so

00:57:56.160 it got to that record

00:57:57.360 level, was net

00:57:59.280 migration.

00:58:00.080 So, you know, we knew

00:58:01.000 that net migration was

00:58:01.800 really high.

00:58:02.480 You get the idea, right?

00:58:03.360 He's saying it like he's

00:58:04.160 shocked.

00:58:04.700 Yeah.

00:58:05.360 Oh, we've just noticed.

00:58:06.860 Oh, the numbers are in.

00:58:08.380 Oh, no.

00:58:09.600 I'm shocked he even put it

00:58:11.020 down to, I'm shocked they

00:58:11.980 admitted it was net

00:58:13.220 migration.

00:58:13.720 Because I was half

00:58:15.440 expecting a Tom

00:58:16.680 Harwood, something

00:58:18.120 happened, explanation.

00:58:20.800 And of course that

00:58:21.480 number is not the real

00:58:22.460 number.

00:58:22.780 It's way higher than

00:58:23.440 that in reality if you

00:58:24.560 go to any town or city

00:58:25.740 in this country.

00:58:27.060 Of course.

00:58:28.180 But if we have a look

00:58:29.100 at the UK population

00:58:30.000 here, I don't know why

00:58:31.860 that's so zoomed in,

00:58:32.980 Samson.

00:58:34.800 Could you zoom out a

00:58:35.700 little bit?

00:58:36.320 Cheers.

00:58:37.440 To 100% if possible.

00:58:39.680 That should be fine

00:58:40.860 though.

00:58:41.600 So here we can see the

00:58:43.820 population going all the

00:58:45.980 way up.

00:58:46.360 Here's the current

00:58:47.040 population.

00:58:48.080 But we can just see it

00:58:49.100 sort of going up.

00:58:50.000 And what I want to

00:58:50.560 compare this to, because

00:58:52.560 obviously that was a

00:58:53.460 video, it was moving

00:58:54.020 around, this is easier to

00:58:55.160 compare, is the real net

00:58:57.080 domestic product per

00:58:58.360 capita, which is this.

00:59:01.400 So this measures the

00:59:04.680 value of all final

00:59:05.820 goods and services

00:59:06.720 produced within a

00:59:08.020 country, adjusted for

00:59:09.400 depreciation and

00:59:11.040 inflation, so fiscal

00:59:13.140 fluctuations, and

00:59:14.420 divided by the

00:59:15.200 population.

00:59:16.220 And why this is useful

00:59:17.140 is that it provides a

00:59:18.140 clearer picture of

00:59:18.980 economic health and

00:59:20.300 individual well-being

00:59:21.240 within an economy,

00:59:22.520 rather than, say, the

00:59:24.140 nominal GDP per

00:59:25.420 capita.

00:59:26.160 And what we can see

00:59:27.080 here is that despite

00:59:29.700 having a lot of

00:59:30.580 a massive spike in

00:59:31.400 population, the actual

00:59:33.140 benefit to individuals

00:59:35.420 economically, you know,

00:59:37.600 there's not been one.

00:59:38.840 There's no benefit, of

00:59:40.320 course.

00:59:40.640 This is old news, of

00:59:42.160 course.

00:59:42.960 But the UK's economy

00:59:44.460 has basically never

00:59:45.500 recovered to, you know,

00:59:47.620 on individual basis

00:59:48.600 since 2008, since the

00:59:51.080 2008 crash.

00:59:52.020 We've never returned to

00:59:53.240 that material level of

00:59:54.720 well-being for an

00:59:56.120 individual in this

00:59:57.120 country.

00:59:58.140 And in fact, if

00:59:59.160 anything, it might even

01:00:00.120 go down.

01:00:01.380 And if we look again

01:00:02.920 at this, and then at

01:00:04.740 this, I mean, yeah, it's

01:00:07.960 pretty stark, isn't it?

01:00:09.800 And you can also compare

01:00:10.860 this to graphs of other

01:00:12.680 countries that show

01:00:13.580 similar patterns as well.

01:00:14.640 This one's formatted

01:00:15.440 slightly differently, but

01:00:16.900 you can see, for example,

01:00:18.780 France, Germany, other

01:00:20.700 European countries

01:00:21.980 following a similar trend

01:00:24.560 to the UK here in green,

01:00:26.300 where they rise a little

01:00:27.680 bit and then drop here

01:00:28.760 and plateau or go up

01:00:30.460 a little bit.

01:00:31.140 But it's more or less

01:00:32.080 the same sort of trend

01:00:33.400 where it's not like the

01:00:35.420 US, which is a unique

01:00:36.460 case due to lots of

01:00:37.800 unique economic factors

01:00:39.100 that basically, being the

01:00:40.940 world hegemon provides

01:00:42.040 them having the world's

01:00:42.920 reserve currency,

01:00:43.840 although that's changing

01:00:44.840 somewhat, allows them

01:00:47.100 to avoid these problems.

01:00:48.440 And so I wanted to talk

01:00:51.360 about this purely from

01:00:53.540 the sense of, well,

01:00:55.040 clearly people's lives

01:00:56.000 are not getting any

01:00:56.620 better, and in fact, I

01:00:57.440 think they're tangibly

01:00:58.140 getting worse, because

01:00:59.640 of course, looking at the

01:01:02.480 GDP, that's the economic

01:01:04.440 health, the amount of

01:01:07.620 money people are earning

01:01:08.540 relative to the cost of

01:01:10.340 what they're doing, what

01:01:12.080 they have to buy, is

01:01:13.620 changing.

01:01:14.900 And it's obviously not

01:01:18.100 going well, I think

01:01:19.440 that's safe to say.

01:01:21.200 And if we can actually go

01:01:23.460 to the question of why is

01:01:25.360 continual population

01:01:26.260 growth undesirable, there

01:01:27.520 are lots of things.

01:01:28.980 Can you stop doing that?

01:01:30.560 Sorry, it's really

01:01:31.380 distracting.

01:01:34.200 We can go to having a

01:01:36.340 look at things like, why

01:01:38.540 would you accept the

01:01:39.620 framing of neocons and

01:01:41.320 neoliberals about why you

01:01:44.040 want population growth?

01:01:45.000 And I've seen people on

01:01:46.280 our side saying that we

01:01:50.200 need a replacement birth

01:01:51.740 rate, we need a birth 0.65

01:01:52.500 rate above, you know, 2.0

01:01:55.360 basically, to continue

01:01:57.040 things growing, whereas

01:01:58.440 this notion that we need

01:01:59.800 to grow the economy

01:02:00.900 constantly by continually

01:02:02.900 churning out people to

01:02:05.900 the point whereby we're

01:02:06.860 going to concrete over

01:02:07.820 everything, that just

01:02:08.700 doesn't make sense to me.

01:02:10.500 I think it's accepting the

01:02:11.780 framing and propping up a

01:02:13.760 broken system, and I

01:02:15.620 think that that is not a

01:02:18.160 clever idea at all.

01:02:19.420 And I think that if you

01:02:21.220 were to give me a hundred

01:02:22.300 industrialists over a

01:02:24.660 million Somalis, I could

01:02:26.580 build you a country, right?

01:02:28.120 And I think that it's not

01:02:29.700 about the quantity of the

01:02:31.460 people you have, you want

01:02:32.920 to foster quality, and I

01:02:34.040 think that's a really

01:02:34.700 important thing.

01:02:35.700 I think that the

01:02:36.640 economics of that are

01:02:38.760 pretty clear, that not

01:02:40.360 everyone is as equally

01:02:41.520 productive.

01:02:42.200 You want to maximise the

01:02:43.560 people who do the most.

01:02:45.820 And the reason I use

01:02:46.700 industrialists as an

01:02:47.700 example is that their

01:02:50.300 role in making the

01:02:52.040 economy far more

01:02:52.860 efficient is far, far

01:02:54.580 more significant than

01:02:56.520 even, say, tens of

01:02:58.180 thousands of people.

01:02:59.160 One person can have that

01:03:00.780 effect.

01:03:01.520 So we need to lean into

01:03:02.560 that because I think that

01:03:03.720 innovation and making

01:03:05.900 the economy more

01:03:06.400 efficient, which

01:03:06.960 ultimately generates

01:03:07.920 wealth, is done by a

01:03:10.520 very small section of

01:03:11.480 people, we should focus

01:03:12.700 on that because that

01:03:14.320 will increase the

01:03:15.200 material conditions of

01:03:16.080 most people.

01:03:17.380 And actually that, you

01:03:19.680 know, if we did stop

01:03:20.940 immigration entirely,

01:03:22.140 you know, our

01:03:22.540 population was gradually

01:03:23.640 declining, and focused

01:03:25.340 on that, people's

01:03:26.560 material conditions

01:03:27.420 would massively increase.

01:03:30.060 And of course, continually

01:03:31.920 growing the population

01:03:33.040 population, also, you

01:03:34.940 don't want the

01:03:35.680 idiocracy effect,

01:03:37.320 whereby if you have a

01:03:39.200 welfare state, it

01:03:40.420 allows people who are

01:03:42.540 on, you know, lower

01:03:44.540 incomes to have lots and

01:03:46.460 lots of children that

01:03:47.600 they wouldn't otherwise

01:03:48.480 be able to have, which

01:03:50.160 in turn creates more and

01:03:52.100 more dependence in a

01:03:53.160 sort of snowballing

01:03:53.960 effect.

01:03:54.680 And that, of course, is

01:03:55.440 in the, showcased in that

01:03:57.520 film.

01:03:57.800 And I think that it

01:03:58.460 doesn't quite work

01:03:59.360 exactly as shown in the

01:04:00.520 film, but it's something

01:04:01.800 that is important.

01:04:03.520 And of course, to

01:04:05.120 reiterate on the point

01:04:06.200 I was making earlier,

01:04:07.660 reducing well-being of

01:04:09.120 people already here, if

01:04:11.660 growth outpaces real net

01:04:12.940 domestic product per

01:04:13.840 capita, it just doesn't

01:04:18.100 work out, especially

01:04:19.700 when it comes to

01:04:20.360 increasing costs for

01:04:21.480 expanding infrastructure.

01:04:23.300 And of course, automation

01:04:24.260 and AI means there'll be

01:04:25.420 less need for human

01:04:26.420 oversight in lots and

01:04:28.480 lots of different

01:04:28.900 professions.

01:04:29.420 And therefore, we

01:04:30.240 actually, we don't need

01:04:31.780 as many people in the

01:04:32.960 workforce as things go

01:04:34.000 on because we have

01:04:35.100 increasing efficiency.

01:04:36.780 So this notion that we

01:04:37.560 need to grow the

01:04:38.460 population more and more

01:04:39.460 just doesn't make sense

01:04:40.560 to me.

01:04:41.180 It's not saying, I'm not

01:04:41.900 suggesting we should like 0.97

01:04:42.780 go around killing people 1.00

01:04:43.840 or anything like that.

01:04:44.800 So please don't take it

01:04:45.800 that way.

01:04:47.200 But what I think should be

01:04:50.400 done is we should let the

01:04:53.280 population correct itself

01:04:54.600 naturally.

01:04:55.100 naturally, it seems like

01:04:57.340 the healthiest thing to

01:04:58.640 do, this happens in

01:04:59.440 nature, whereby if a

01:05:00.940 population expands too

01:05:02.140 much, then it contracts

01:05:05.240 organically.

01:05:07.160 And I think that there may

01:05:08.140 be an element of this.

01:05:09.500 And one thing that is very

01:05:10.840 close to my heart is that

01:05:11.900 if we continue growing the

01:05:13.240 population, then we

01:05:15.260 destroy nature, we destroy

01:05:16.460 the world around us.

01:05:17.900 And, you know, I did a

01:05:18.940 thread about Wisman's

01:05:19.840 Wood, which is one of,

01:05:21.640 it's a tiny little sliver of

01:05:23.900 ancient woodland and it's

01:05:25.660 beautiful.

01:05:26.460 There's nothing else like

01:05:27.900 it in the surrounding

01:05:29.560 areas.

01:05:29.980 And this used to cover

01:05:31.000 miles and miles and it's

01:05:33.120 relegated to a small

01:05:34.060 valley, which you can see

01:05:35.300 it in its entirety.

01:05:36.320 And it's really quite

01:05:37.940 haunting all of the

01:05:40.580 barren area around this

01:05:42.040 beautiful woodland.

01:05:44.220 And it's one of those

01:05:45.360 things that I think we

01:05:46.160 should actually focus a

01:05:47.120 lot more on.

01:05:47.700 But what do you think?

01:05:50.180 Oh, sorry.

01:05:51.100 Go ahead.

01:05:51.360 I have thought for a

01:05:53.260 long time that the

01:05:55.960 argument that the

01:05:57.200 population must go up or

01:05:58.700 rather if it declines in

01:05:59.960 any way, that's

01:06:01.220 disastrous.

01:06:02.560 That just equates to a

01:06:05.320 backward step in

01:06:06.260 civilization or something.

01:06:07.920 Or that your country's

01:06:08.800 doomed if the population

01:06:09.940 shrinks a bit.

01:06:12.000 I've always thought that

01:06:13.220 sounds on the face of it

01:06:15.440 like nonsense.

01:06:16.020 Like, oh, you know, the

01:06:18.740 older population's dying 1.00

01:06:19.780 out and the child

01:06:20.880 replacement rate isn't

01:06:21.920 enough.

01:06:22.680 So, yeah, organically go

01:06:25.600 up and down a bit over the

01:06:26.660 centuries or millennia or

01:06:28.280 whatever.

01:06:28.680 Okay.

01:06:29.580 We certainly don't need

01:06:30.600 hundreds of thousands or

01:06:31.900 millions of strangers or

01:06:33.440 foreign people to prevent 1.00

01:06:34.960 the number from going down,

01:06:36.680 heaven forbid.

01:06:37.720 I've just never, I've just

01:06:38.640 never ever bought that.

01:06:40.240 Like, the birth rate is

01:06:41.340 below replacement rate, a

01:06:43.080 touch.

01:06:43.720 Well, there are more

01:06:44.200 people on planet Earth than

01:06:45.520 at any point in human

01:06:46.880 history.

01:06:47.560 The notion that all of

01:06:48.780 human civilization is going

01:06:49.960 to collapse because we

01:06:50.960 don't have enough people to

01:06:51.800 sustain it is absolutely

01:06:52.980 insane.

01:06:53.940 I hear people supposedly on

01:06:55.460 the side say this all the

01:06:56.420 time and it's utter nonsense.

01:06:58.460 And it's not like our

01:06:59.180 economy is based upon

01:07:00.480 labor.

01:07:01.800 Right?

01:07:02.360 So, if we did, if there

01:07:03.660 was actually some sort of

01:07:04.840 gross decrease in just the

01:07:06.280 number of laborers we got

01:07:07.700 access to, then in very

01:07:09.380 real sense, we're able to

01:07:11.140 manufacture less and

01:07:12.640 everyone's poorer.

01:07:14.040 We don't live in that

01:07:15.400 world.

01:07:16.460 So, I've just, it's never

01:07:18.780 made any sense to me that

01:07:19.960 if a birth rate is a little

01:07:22.340 bit below death rate, then

01:07:24.420 that panic must ensue or

01:07:27.160 that GDP is doomed to go

01:07:30.060 through the floor or

01:07:30.800 something like that.

01:07:31.460 I don't...

01:07:32.100 Keeping the population

01:07:33.380 growing just to generate

01:07:35.420 economic growth is keeping

01:07:36.660 an economic system on life

01:07:38.540 support that is meant to

01:07:39.600 die, as I see it.

01:07:41.380 Like, the system doesn't

01:07:42.500 work.

01:07:43.060 Quite possibly.

01:07:43.700 I mean...

01:07:44.100 It obviously doesn't work.

01:07:45.260 If you need to continue

01:07:46.340 importing in people, it's a

01:07:48.200 sort of pyramid scheme.

01:07:49.600 That's basically what it is,

01:07:50.740 is that you need to keep on

01:07:52.180 recruiting in people to keep

01:07:54.280 it going so the people at the

01:07:55.460 top can make money.

01:07:56.620 That's fundamentally it.

01:07:58.000 What do you reckon, Harry?

01:07:59.300 I dislike any economy that's

01:08:01.440 explicitly founded on keeping

01:08:03.700 Deliveroo in business.

01:08:04.900 Yeah, yeah.

01:08:06.560 Here, here.

01:08:07.960 But what about the sort of

01:08:11.660 projections that you need to

01:08:13.040 continue growing an economy and

01:08:14.960 things like that?

01:08:15.820 Do you reckon that...

01:08:17.140 Well, again, we can see from

01:08:18.660 the figures that you've

01:08:19.460 presented that growing the

01:08:20.840 economy in terms of sheer GDP

01:08:22.800 numbers is a form of a pyramid

01:08:25.120 scheme.

01:08:25.580 It's a complete scam because you

01:08:27.200 can just fold government

01:08:28.040 spending into GDP and you can

01:08:30.120 basically have infinite growth

01:08:31.360 forever by just having the

01:08:32.580 government print more and more

01:08:33.600 money and spend it on things

01:08:36.920 that it wants itself.

01:08:38.280 Of course, that will eventually

01:08:39.400 lead to some form of

01:08:40.300 hyperinflation and then a

01:08:41.620 collapse of the economic

01:08:42.560 system.

01:08:43.220 So that's not really a good

01:08:44.920 idea and we can see that it

01:08:46.960 doesn't actually make people

01:08:48.120 richer.

01:08:48.820 Just printing more and more

01:08:49.820 money and giving it to people

01:08:51.060 doesn't make people richer.

01:08:52.520 It just makes your money worth

01:08:54.640 less.

01:08:55.320 And then with the lack of

01:08:56.600 quality that we're importing

01:08:57.760 and the lack of quality that

01:08:59.320 we're creating within our own

01:09:00.820 country, the amount that you

01:09:02.840 can spend and get and get more

01:09:05.300 for is going down where you

01:09:07.140 spend more and you get less

01:09:08.200 these days and what you do get

01:09:09.860 for your money is typically of

01:09:11.200 lower quality anyway.

01:09:12.420 So, yeah, everything is getting

01:09:14.820 worse and importing people has 1.00

01:09:17.580 been the solution for at least

01:09:19.380 30 years now and it's not

01:09:21.180 worked.

01:09:22.120 Do you think that this is all

01:09:24.380 deliberate from a select few

01:09:26.420 elites that actually make a

01:09:27.540 significant amount of money from

01:09:28.860 this because I can certainly see

01:09:30.320 a compelling argument whereby

01:09:31.540 if you import lots and lots of

01:09:35.020 people into a country, not only

01:09:36.980 are you pushing down labour costs

01:09:38.640 and allowing yourself to

01:09:40.100 maximise profits, you're also

01:09:42.120 then sort of weighing down the

01:09:46.860 potential people that could

01:09:48.440 compete with you because then

01:09:50.600 they never get the capital to get

01:09:53.020 a snowball effect to build a

01:09:55.220 multinational corporation that

01:09:56.640 could rival one of the existing

01:09:58.820 ones.

01:09:59.280 There are a lot of different

01:10:00.060 factors that go into this.

01:10:01.280 I do think that that is one.

01:10:02.380 It's no coincidence that the

01:10:03.560 Tory party who oversaw an even

01:10:05.400 larger increase in the

01:10:06.400 population than the Labour

01:10:08.020 Party are mainly funded by a lot

01:10:11.460 of housing developers and

01:10:13.100 companies of that sort.

01:10:14.540 Companies that have a vested

01:10:15.900 interest in making sure that

01:10:17.220 there are more people in the

01:10:18.500 country because it means that

01:10:19.740 demand for their own products

01:10:20.940 goes up.

01:10:21.620 I think there are other aspects

01:10:23.040 that go into this as well.

01:10:24.080 I think there are non-economic

01:10:26.120 reasons for why some groups

01:10:27.840 want there to be more foreign 0.97

01:10:29.560 populations in European

01:10:30.740 countries, possibly as a form

01:10:32.900 of...

01:10:34.600 No, I'll leave it at that.

01:10:36.200 Well, no, you take like the

01:10:37.100 Rudder Mead Trust, for example.

01:10:38.600 One example, been around for

01:10:39.920 ages since the 50s or whatever.

01:10:41.540 Explicitly says, we want Britain

01:10:43.460 to be a different ethnicity,

01:10:45.960 multi-ethnic.

01:10:47.360 That's their raison d'etre.

01:10:48.780 There are reasons for this that

01:10:50.380 come down to a form of ethnic

01:10:51.720 revenge for people who feel

01:10:52.960 that they've been victimized

01:10:53.920 by Europeans for potentially

01:10:55.760 up to thousands of years.

01:10:57.020 There's also the fact that we

01:10:57.960 have imported in a lot of

01:10:59.520 people from countries that we

01:11:00.900 used to administer who have a

01:11:02.440 bit of a bone to pick with us

01:11:03.760 because we made their country

01:11:04.920 too good and they're very

01:11:05.880 resentful of that.

01:11:07.140 And so they have been put into

01:11:08.340 positions of power.

01:11:09.660 Woke policies have meant that

01:11:11.020 they have been onboarded into

01:11:12.880 large government programs and

01:11:14.480 large company schemes, which

01:11:15.860 means that they're in a

01:11:16.540 position of power to be able to

01:11:18.380 continually import more people.

01:11:19.660 Like, again, I mentioned it

01:11:20.720 earlier in this program.

01:11:23.180 Preeti Patel was our home

01:11:25.100 secretary for a while and

01:11:26.860 oversaw a massive importing of

01:11:28.780 third worlders into our country. 1.00

01:11:30.760 Now, she gave the reason as

01:11:33.360 being that we needed them for

01:11:34.600 the NHS because the NHS is the

01:11:37.640 perfect excuse for anything in

01:11:40.200 this country because if you need

01:11:41.460 to ban smoking, NHS, if you want

01:11:43.480 to import hundreds of thousands

01:11:44.940 of people, NHS, if you want to

01:11:47.220 shut the entire country down for

01:11:49.080 two years, it's the NHS.

01:11:50.400 It all comes down to that.

01:11:51.420 But the real reasons, I think,

01:11:52.780 are that these people are of a

01:11:54.020 different heritage, a different

01:11:55.980 culture to us.

01:11:57.100 They have no sentiment, no

01:11:58.840 positive feelings towards us and

01:12:00.560 don't care if they break it and

01:12:01.840 in fact get a bit of a sick

01:12:03.000 thrill from it.

01:12:03.620 Is that on LBC, that interview

01:12:05.400 with Preeti Patel, was it?

01:12:06.660 I think it was GB News because

01:12:08.640 they were trying to ask her,

01:12:10.920 why don't you feel ashamed?

01:12:13.020 Because LBC wouldn't do that.

01:12:14.300 James O'Brien would be, you know,

01:12:15.800 he'd be like, oh, you're a 0.59

01:12:16.680 horrible Tory, but I need to 0.89

01:12:18.140 applaud you for the diversity

01:12:19.620 that you brought into the

01:12:20.560 country.

01:12:20.900 She did a good acting job of

01:12:22.580 pretending to be annoyed of

01:12:24.280 even being asked about that.

01:12:25.900 Yeah.

01:12:27.140 What do you think of the idea

01:12:28.600 that a lot of the sort of

01:12:30.800 cultural or social

01:12:32.120 justifications, this notion of

01:12:33.620 it's ethnic revenge, is a sort

01:12:35.960 of face that is put on.

01:12:37.860 It's a sort of formal rationale

01:12:40.140 for, I feel like, a lot of

01:12:42.960 this is financially motivated.

01:12:45.580 I think that there's a lot of

01:12:47.200 economic motivations by the

01:12:48.520 people that are sort of

01:12:50.000 controlling the politicians

01:12:51.000 because, of course, the

01:12:51.860 politicians are not necessarily

01:12:53.760 the people who hold the most

01:12:57.440 power in our society because,

01:12:59.440 of course, they need to rely on

01:13:00.780 on capital to determine

01:13:03.040 whether they see electoral

01:13:04.220 success.

01:13:04.900 Well, it can be money.

01:13:05.940 It can also just be the

01:13:07.180 accumulation of power.

01:13:10.060 So, like, for instance,

01:13:11.740 inflation, printing more money,

01:13:14.120 is something that's dealt with

01:13:15.740 by central banks.

01:13:17.020 People in charge of the

01:13:17.820 central banks exercise an

01:13:20.020 enormous amount of power by

01:13:21.520 being able to control the

01:13:22.500 money supply of the country

01:13:23.500 and also through institutions

01:13:25.340 like the OBR and other

01:13:26.840 economic institutions that

01:13:28.140 have the ear of the

01:13:28.860 government.

01:13:29.140 government, they're able to

01:13:30.160 influence the government even

01:13:31.420 more by saying they tell the

01:13:33.640 they give projections to these

01:13:35.660 organizations saying, well, if

01:13:37.600 the government doesn't do this

01:13:38.720 that we think that they should,

01:13:39.780 the economy will collapse.

01:13:41.200 And then if the government

01:13:42.200 decides not to, they

01:13:43.440 manufacture the situation to

01:13:44.940 mean the economy looks like

01:13:46.000 it's going to collapse to make

01:13:46.920 the government do it.

01:13:47.500 So, there's a lot of power as

01:13:49.100 well as money that can be made

01:13:50.560 from it.

01:13:50.760 Absolutely.

01:13:51.300 I would say something similar.

01:13:52.520 The line between power and

01:13:55.080 money is often blurred.

01:13:56.160 But I think, unfortunately,

01:13:58.520 to say, because it's very dark,

01:14:00.160 but it does come down to a type

01:14:01.940 of resentment or a type of

01:14:03.260 revenge.

01:14:04.000 Sometimes they let the mask slip.

01:14:06.660 Famously, there's that Ash

01:14:07.940 Sarkar clip.

01:14:08.920 Oh, yeah.

01:14:09.300 Some figures come out that we

01:14:11.720 are, in fact, being replaced in

01:14:13.100 our own ancestral homeland.

01:14:14.220 And how did you put it?

01:14:15.020 And we will become a minority 0.99

01:14:16.660 in the land of our forefathers.

01:14:18.900 And she's saying, we're winning

01:14:19.640 lads, gloating about that.

01:14:21.360 Quite often you find lots of

01:14:22.860 clips, if you try, of various,

01:14:25.960 all sorts, I was going to say

01:14:26.900 Muslims, but all sorts of

01:14:28.040 foreign people saying explicitly,

01:14:30.780 this is our country now.

01:14:33.660 Absolutely.

01:14:34.340 Just straight up, this isn't

01:14:35.280 your country anymore.

01:14:36.240 This is our country.

01:14:37.100 Well, that's purely some sort

01:14:40.320 of intergenerational revenge

01:14:42.020 for some perceived slight

01:14:44.040 they've been told that their

01:14:45.900 ancestors took at the hands

01:14:48.300 of our ancestors.

01:14:49.860 It's completely, all of it is 0.92

01:14:51.040 obviously disgusting and insane. 0.92

01:14:53.340 Absolutely. 0.85

01:14:54.020 So the final question I wanted

01:14:55.280 to address is why are the native

01:14:56.700 population remaining static or

01:14:58.200 declining?

01:14:59.020 And I think one of the things

01:15:00.200 is just the sheer amount of

01:15:01.320 population density.

01:15:02.840 And we can see in most mammals,

01:15:05.740 for example, I did this with

01:15:08.260 Connor back in 2023, talking

01:15:10.900 about lots of rodent studies

01:15:12.700 looking at overpopulation, in

01:15:16.340 that once, even if you have all

01:15:19.880 of your resources provided for

01:15:22.220 you, so food, shelter, water,

01:15:25.020 you have, you know, a large

01:15:26.680 choice of mates in the sort of

01:15:29.180 mouse utopia, rat utopia, it

01:15:31.240 reached a critical point and then

01:15:32.960 the population decreased and then

01:15:34.980 it started decreasing quite

01:15:37.020 rapidly.

01:15:38.300 And this was entirely due to the

01:15:40.080 behaviour of the rodents.

01:15:41.400 This wasn't any, you know,

01:15:43.160 environmental condition.

01:15:44.080 They still had enough resources.

01:15:46.340 It was, it seems to my mind that

01:15:49.140 in all mammals there is something

01:15:51.120 hard-coded into us that once a

01:15:54.300 population gets too dense it

01:15:56.320 activates certain mental models, if

01:15:59.300 you will, and behaviour changes.

01:16:01.120 And I think that this, it could

01:16:03.240 well be a product of just how

01:16:05.720 dense some of our cities are.

01:16:07.220 And I've talked about this as

01:16:08.240 well before, about how cities

01:16:10.480 change how people think about

01:16:12.400 things, just the actual

01:16:13.340 environment itself.

01:16:15.180 And this is an example that I

01:16:16.800 think people might have anecdotal

01:16:18.200 examples of.

01:16:19.620 People are given so many options

01:16:21.460 with things to do that they take

01:16:23.320 far longer to, say, find someone,

01:16:25.720 settle down and start a family and

01:16:27.660 things like that than they might

01:16:29.400 otherwise, and I know people that

01:16:30.820 live in, say, London, that have

01:16:32.320 done exactly this and are sort of

01:16:33.680 missing the boat a little bit.

01:16:34.640 Well, in cities as well, there's

01:16:35.860 such a greater opportunity to,

01:16:38.580 one, be anonymous and to have an

01:16:41.720 exciting social life at all times.

01:16:44.540 You know, I lived in Manchester for

01:16:46.760 a little bit.

01:16:47.440 So many clubs, so many pubs, so

01:16:49.480 many places that you can go

01:16:50.640 constantly to just basically get a

01:16:53.040 nice thrill and enjoy yourself that

01:16:55.320 having a family can seem like,

01:16:57.800 well, it's just going to stop me from

01:16:58.960 being able to go out and enjoy

01:17:00.120 myself.

01:17:00.640 That's a very selfish reason, but

01:17:02.340 selfish reasons are the reason for

01:17:06.060 people doing a lot of things.

01:17:06.880 There are a lot of selfish reasons

01:17:08.860 for things in the world, aren't

01:17:09.840 there, unfortunately?

01:17:10.720 I think also...

01:17:11.480 It's the lonely cat lady who's 1.00

01:17:14.020 reached her 40s with no family

01:17:15.480 because, well, she was just too 0.98

01:17:16.740 busy enjoying herself up until

01:17:18.280 then.

01:17:18.460 That's definitely a very strong

01:17:19.920 aspect of it.

01:17:20.900 I think it's also glorified

01:17:22.180 culturally.

01:17:23.040 I think also there's an aspect of

01:17:24.300 choice paralysis as well.

01:17:25.920 This is a phenomenon that I know

01:17:27.120 from my sort of discipline in

01:17:28.920 behavioural decision-making,

01:17:30.920 whereby if you're presented with

01:17:32.780 too many choices, people are so

01:17:34.680 concerned with optimising their

01:17:36.340 choice that it sort of paralyses

01:17:38.160 them and makes them feel like they

01:17:39.180 can't actually make a decision.

01:17:41.160 And I think that this may well be

01:17:42.700 going on.

01:17:43.120 And if you're in somewhere like

01:17:44.020 London and you're trying to find a

01:17:45.580 partner for the rest of your life,

01:17:47.020 the stakes are so high about getting

01:17:48.560 it right that it paralyses people to

01:17:51.160 the point whereby sometimes they

01:17:52.420 might not even be able to do so

01:17:54.020 until it's too late.

01:17:56.280 And that might be part of the

01:17:58.440 reason and then people come up with

01:17:59.600 post-hoc rationalisation saying,

01:18:01.420 well, I actually chose this, you

01:18:02.920 know, I wanted to do this, which

01:18:04.860 might not necessarily be the case.

01:18:06.780 When you're in like small village

01:18:08.060 life or small town life, your options

01:18:11.040 for a woman around your age is going 1.00

01:18:12.960 to be a good match or a lot more

01:18:14.560 limited in terms of what you're

01:18:16.280 talking about there.

01:18:17.280 So you're almost forced earlier to

01:18:20.320 make a full decision because you know

01:18:23.060 that, you know, eligible young women 1.00

01:18:25.100 in a smaller population are going to

01:18:26.500 be snapped up a lot faster.

01:18:28.960 And I think that that is an

01:18:30.160 important thing.

01:18:30.880 And in fact, there have been

01:18:31.900 plenty of research papers looking

01:18:34.220 at population density and how it

01:18:35.920 affects people.

01:18:36.700 And there's such a phenomenon known

01:18:37.920 as a life strategy.

01:18:39.480 You know, the slow and fast life

01:18:41.740 strategies.

01:18:42.560 These are terms that people are

01:18:43.920 probably familiar with.

01:18:45.020 Martin talks about them quite a bit.

01:18:46.560 Yes.

01:18:47.080 And I'm going to read a little bit

01:18:48.480 from the abstract here because it's

01:18:49.640 very important.

01:18:50.640 They say, we find the dense

01:18:52.080 populations exhibit behaviours

01:18:53.940 corresponding to a slower life

01:18:55.400 history strategy, including greater

01:18:57.480 future orientation, greater investment

01:18:59.680 in education.

01:19:00.300 So it's not all bad necessarily.

01:19:02.380 More long term mating orientation,

01:19:04.460 another potentially good thing.

01:19:06.180 Later marriage age, which might not

01:19:07.860 be good.

01:19:08.540 Lower fertility and greater parental 0.62

01:19:10.600 investment.

01:19:11.720 So there are aspects of it that are

01:19:13.420 good.

01:19:13.820 And I think we're seeing some of this

01:19:15.500 in modern societies now in that

01:19:17.860 people have fewer kids, but they

01:19:19.500 invest more time in them, which I

01:19:20.980 actually think is a really good thing

01:19:22.200 that you're, you know, you're making

01:19:23.780 sure that they develop into better

01:19:25.540 human beings.

01:19:26.380 Well, great.

01:19:26.980 That's actually really good.

01:19:29.080 I think that if you can do that for

01:19:30.960 as, you know, as many of your

01:19:32.620 children as possible, fantastic.

01:19:35.240 But there is clearly something of

01:19:37.560 this going on.

01:19:38.280 And this seems to be caused by the

01:19:41.300 scale of population density,

01:19:43.160 particularly in, you know, Europe.

01:19:46.560 You can see lots of areas here that

01:19:48.260 have the lowest birth rates also

01:19:49.720 happen to have the highest

01:19:50.680 population density and other

01:19:53.700 things as well.

01:19:54.540 Just having a poorer economy is a

01:19:56.420 significant factor because less

01:19:58.320 responsible people have children.

01:20:00.900 And I think that this is a very

01:20:01.860 important one as well.

01:20:03.240 It's part of the reason I talked

01:20:04.280 about material well-being is that

01:20:06.560 the people who you want to have

01:20:08.060 children are the people who are

01:20:09.140 going to consider these sorts of

01:20:10.380 things.

01:20:11.080 If they if they're actually

01:20:11.880 considering, am I going to be able

01:20:13.160 to provide a good life for my

01:20:14.280 children, then that's going to 1.00

01:20:16.940 impact their decision as well as,

01:20:19.220 of course, one of the elephants in

01:20:20.900 the room is contraceptives.

01:20:22.620 However, I don't think this is as

01:20:24.260 big an issue as it is made out to

01:20:27.140 be by some people because it allows

01:20:29.780 people to still intentionally have

01:20:32.040 children if they want to.

01:20:33.500 It just stops people accidentally

01:20:35.220 having children.

01:20:36.820 And although, you know, there are

01:20:38.600 lots of questions about the ethics

01:20:40.340 and morals of them, that's how they

01:20:43.280 seem to function as well as the

01:20:45.800 people who are trying to have

01:20:46.760 children and can't have them are

01:20:48.180 increasing as a percentage of the

01:20:49.940 population.

01:20:51.060 And there are arguments that there's

01:20:52.240 hormonal interference here, things

01:20:53.940 like pesticides running off into

01:20:55.420 water supplies, microplastics and

01:20:58.380 also birth control runoff.

01:20:59.780 So birth control, about 90 percent of

01:21:02.080 it goes into the, you know, the

01:21:05.060 toilet, which then gets recycled into

01:21:07.520 the water supply.

01:21:08.380 And there are arguments to suggest

01:21:09.940 that it doesn't get filtered out and

01:21:11.720 therefore affects fertility. 0.96

01:21:12.900 I think all of these things are

01:21:15.240 having an effect.

01:21:16.480 What do you both think?

01:21:19.720 Yeah, I mean, all those things.

01:21:21.320 Yeah, I can't find anything to

01:21:22.860 disagree with.

01:21:23.440 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:24.160 OK, but what I want to do here is

01:21:27.100 just talk about something that's

01:21:28.160 worth considering.

01:21:28.900 I'm not necessarily saying we do

01:21:30.100 anything drastic here, but I'm

01:21:32.000 saying that perhaps a slightly

01:21:33.420 declining birth rate is just what

01:21:36.840 you get.

01:21:37.540 Of course, this is taking out the

01:21:39.340 question of mass immigration.

01:21:40.280 Obviously, I want mass deportations.

01:21:43.360 It's taking that sort of out of it

01:21:45.940 and just looking at why are these

01:21:48.180 native populations staying static or

01:21:50.640 slightly declining.

01:21:51.740 Well, it could well be a response to

01:21:53.860 lots of different environmental

01:21:55.120 conditions that are perfectly

01:21:56.680 natural.

01:21:57.900 And perhaps it is to our benefit to

01:22:00.660 if we eventually sort our countries

01:22:02.560 out to allow this to happen.

01:22:04.000 But it's just some food for thought

01:22:05.160 because I thought it was something

01:22:06.060 that we haven't addressed in great

01:22:08.800 detail, and I thought it was very

01:22:10.280 important.

01:22:12.600 OK, we've got a bunch of comments

01:22:15.120 here.

01:22:15.600 There's a few from my segments.

01:22:17.360 Oh, yeah, of course.

01:22:18.020 Go ahead.

01:22:18.380 Where's the mouse gone?

01:22:19.300 There it is.

01:22:20.100 I'll read mine first.

01:22:22.360 Vinny D95 for $2 says,

01:22:25.160 Gentlemen, good luck with your free

01:22:26.380 and fair parliament system, as we

01:22:28.380 will have luck with the presidency in

01:22:29.920 27 days or so.

01:22:31.600 God save the king.

01:22:33.180 There is something to be said that,

01:22:35.480 yeah, the way that the representatives

01:22:38.320 are elected within the party of the

01:22:39.980 Tories is probably or was probably

01:22:42.740 fair because Liz Truss actually managed 1.00

01:22:44.420 to get in, but then she got kicked out

01:22:46.500 as soon as possible, immediately

01:22:48.080 after, which Connor explains in his

01:22:49.920 latest Tomlinson talk, which he did

01:22:51.380 last night.

01:22:52.020 I mean, fair-ish.

01:22:53.340 They just make sure if they really

01:22:54.740 don't want you, they make sure you 1.00

01:22:55.920 never make it to the final two.

01:22:57.220 Well, of course.

01:22:58.140 But when it gets to there, you can

01:22:59.520 vote the person of the two that you

01:23:01.180 want in, but then the Bank of

01:23:02.520 England might decide to sabotage

01:23:03.900 your prime ministership.

01:23:06.100 So, Ryan Rumbles, 1993.

01:23:08.380 Rafe, Haydell, Mancou, is it Rafe

01:23:10.920 or Raph?

01:23:11.820 Rafe.

01:23:12.340 Rafe.

01:23:12.740 Okay, just wanted to make sure.

01:23:13.780 I thought it was.

01:23:15.280 Mancou said that on the Mike Graham

01:23:16.780 show that he thinks white Brits will 0.54

01:23:18.040 be a minority in 25 years.

01:23:20.800 If things continue and if we had the

01:23:24.100 real population figures and knew how

01:23:25.520 many illegals are actually in the

01:23:27.300 country, it might be much sooner.

01:23:29.060 Also, is Harry still reading James

01:23:31.220 O'Gammon's book?

01:23:32.040 I've already finished it.

01:23:33.040 Josh, Carl, and I have recorded a

01:23:34.600 book club on it, and that will be

01:23:35.740 coming out whenever it is out and

01:23:37.100 done by the editors.

01:23:38.440 That's a random name.

01:23:39.640 The value of human life is worth

01:23:41.220 more than any material possession,

01:23:42.860 A.

01:23:43.140 Then why are you murdering thousands

01:23:44.820 just so you can steal their

01:23:46.000 property?

01:23:46.660 Literally nothing of value was lost.

01:23:49.620 True.

01:23:50.300 Yes.

01:23:50.820 One of my great-grandpas as well had

01:23:52.880 to hide in a chimney for three days

01:23:54.440 because the Bulgarian commies were

01:23:56.040 looking for him.

01:23:56.700 Another one of my great-grandpas had

01:23:57.960 his mill and farmland redistributed

01:23:59.700 communism kills.

01:24:00.940 V has a lot of stories like that as

01:24:02.940 well.

01:24:03.780 V's Romanian, right? 0.92

01:24:05.040 Yeah.

01:24:05.320 That's why we guard our pockets

01:24:06.540 whenever he comes in.

01:24:08.380 But yeah, he's got a lot of stories

01:24:09.700 like that from when Romania was

01:24:10.840 under communist rule as well.

01:24:12.740 One of the facts you don't often

01:24:14.600 hear about World War II is that

01:24:15.700 Romania and Bulgaria both got it

01:24:17.920 terribly.

01:24:19.160 Well, Ceausescu was even worse than

01:24:21.120 Stalin. 0.56

01:24:21.640 Didn't he describe Stalin as like a

01:24:23.120 moderate?

01:24:23.440 Well, both during the war, the back

01:24:26.760 and forth of the front lines of the

01:24:28.000 war, and then in the Cold War as

01:24:29.920 well.

01:24:31.140 Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Hungary,

01:24:34.080 Romania, Bulgaria, all these places.

01:24:38.940 The amount of human misery generated

01:24:41.180 is incredible.

01:24:43.680 You don't really hear about it all that

01:24:45.200 much.

01:24:45.720 I know it was like Mengele-style human

01:24:48.120 experimentation going on in Romania,

01:24:50.460 wasn't there?

01:24:51.240 Well, yeah, right.

01:24:52.060 Yeah, all sorts of things.

01:24:52.980 Is it Romanian orphanages?

01:24:54.920 Is that what I'm thinking of as well?

01:24:56.260 That was a thing for a while in the

01:24:57.380 90s, yeah.

01:24:58.520 There's places that you don't really

01:24:59.780 hear about much like Burma,

01:25:01.680 Romania.

01:25:03.300 These are, in terms of per capita,

01:25:05.120 got it the hardest out of all of the

01:25:06.820 war.

01:25:07.960 Out of all of the war.

01:25:08.860 The millions and millions that the

01:25:10.320 Russians lost. 0.88

01:25:13.700 But it was obviously from a much

01:25:15.180 bigger pool.

01:25:15.640 So per capita, places like Bulgaria and

01:25:17.380 Romania.

01:25:18.760 Yeah, terrible. 0.99

01:25:19.560 Terrible.

01:25:19.780 But then again, you know, Germany was 0.88

01:25:21.800 giving orphans to paedophiles in the

01:25:25.580 name of anti-fascism in the 1960s.

01:25:28.140 And so, you know, we weren't that much

01:25:30.540 better.

01:25:31.100 The liberal democracy, very, very

01:25:33.320 liberal.

01:25:34.320 I keep looking at this map and trying to

01:25:35.900 work out what the black spots are.

01:25:37.780 That's London.

01:25:38.580 Berlin, London.

01:25:39.500 I think those three dots there, is that

01:25:41.000 Berlin, Munich and Vienna, would that be?

01:25:44.480 I see that one up there, is Moscow.

01:25:45.860 Is that the black dot?

01:25:47.020 Kiev, is that?

01:25:47.780 I don't know, a country, Germany is.

01:25:50.320 It's a lot more densely populated in a

01:25:52.440 lot of it than I was expecting it to be.

01:25:53.780 The Netherlands is the most dense

01:25:55.320 country in Europe, I believe.

01:25:57.120 It's only small.

01:25:58.040 It is, yeah.

01:25:58.680 And having gone there recently, I can't. 0.68

01:26:00.240 That black one down there must be 1.00

01:26:01.180 Constantin, I mean, Istanbul, I imagine. 0.80

01:26:03.180 I don't know what that black one up there, 1.00

01:26:04.960 maybe that, is that St. Petersburg?

01:26:06.220 I don't know.

01:26:07.000 I think so.

01:26:07.940 It must be.

01:26:08.880 But we've got some comments here.

01:26:11.140 The mentality of pop must go up is

01:26:12.640 midwittism, populations fluctuate.

01:26:14.700 By the end of this century, there will

01:26:16.120 probably be another baby boomer, if not 0.99

01:26:17.760 sooner.

01:26:18.400 You can see it in nature with every

01:26:19.680 species.

01:26:20.280 Thank you.

01:26:20.880 Who says that?

01:26:21.640 I agree with that.

01:26:22.400 Me.

01:26:22.880 And also, that's a random name.

01:26:25.000 Currently, conditions are difficult, so

01:26:26.360 just like all animals, people have fewer

01:26:27.700 offspring, but focus on their upbringing.

01:26:29.880 Yes.

01:26:30.820 When conditions ease, people will have more

01:26:32.460 kids.

01:26:32.780 Quality versus quantity.

01:26:36.420 Yes.

01:26:37.160 And OPH says, Harry is right.

01:26:40.080 I will only vote for a leader who won't

01:26:41.520 apologise for our ancestors trying to

01:26:43.200 improve their countries for them.

01:26:48.720 Thanks for that one there. 1.00

01:26:49.300 I think he meant shit. 0.99

01:26:50.420 Yes. 1.00

01:26:51.200 S-hole countries, right? 0.99

01:26:53.580 We have some video comments.

01:26:56.180 I recognise that screenshot.

01:26:58.540 I took that.

01:27:00.100 The left likes to throw around a lot of

01:27:02.100 Chamberlain accusations when people

01:27:04.040 propose a peace deal that might be

01:27:06.020 favourable to Russia because it will 1.00

01:27:07.600 encourage their expansionism.

01:27:09.640 Yet, they never seem to be all that

01:27:11.540 bothered with Chagos becoming a Chinese 1.00

01:27:13.920 puppet or, you know, the Azeris taking

01:27:16.400 over a bunch of Armenia when, you know,

01:27:18.780 you would assume that they would think

01:27:20.060 that would encourage their expansionism as

01:27:21.720 well.

01:27:22.160 Or is it only a problem when it's Russians 1.00

01:27:23.920 doing it?

01:27:26.320 Absolutely.

01:27:26.720 I've said a few times that about the idea

01:27:30.880 of Chamberlain and appeasement and all

01:27:33.500 that sort of thing that, no, the narrative

01:27:35.400 has to be, the boomer truth narrative has

01:27:37.240 to be that Chamberlain was utterly, utterly

01:27:39.460 wrong, morally wrong.

01:27:40.960 And that appeasement will never, appeasement

01:27:42.400 will never, ever work.

01:27:43.300 And he's just wrongheaded always.

01:27:45.280 Of course it isn't.

01:27:46.500 Wanting to avoid an enormous European war

01:27:50.100 only 20 years after the last one.

01:27:52.140 Terrible.

01:27:52.620 How could he?

01:27:53.660 Samson, do we have an extra five?

01:27:55.340 I know you've got Common Sense Crusade.

01:28:00.480 Okay.

01:28:01.480 No worries.

01:28:03.060 So with the encouragement of Connor and Harry,

01:28:06.100 I offer another of my lamentations.

01:28:09.380 This from the wisdom of Robert E. Howard's

01:28:12.140 Conan the Barbarian.

01:28:13.900 Barbarism is the natural state of mankind.

01:28:17.200 Civilization is unnatural.

01:28:18.860 It is a whim of circumstance.

01:28:20.620 And barbarism must always, ultimately, triumph.

01:28:24.160 Hmm, goodness.

01:28:24.840 What evidence might we have of this?

01:28:27.260 Oh, Haiti, Rhodesia. 0.87

01:28:29.240 I mean, uh, Zimbabwe, et cetera.

01:28:31.460 You know, the places where David's ancestors came from.

01:28:34.300 Hear, hear.

01:28:37.260 Isn't he Guy Arnon?

01:28:38.900 I think he might be.

01:28:39.640 I don't know.

01:28:40.840 God knows.

01:28:42.600 Find an IQ map of Africa.

01:28:44.480 Find the lowest place.

01:28:45.380 Hi, Lotus Eaters.

01:28:46.640 Sorry I haven't been able to send in a lot of video comments lately.

01:28:50.100 I came across this place quite recently, and I wanted to show you guys.

01:28:53.600 You never know what you find when you go out exploring.

01:28:57.420 It's getting colder out here, and the leaves don't really change color as much, but I think

01:29:03.120 they still look quite beautiful.

01:29:04.480 I love oak woodlands like that.

01:29:10.740 Yeah, it does look like a really nice spot.

01:29:12.120 And it's lovely.

01:29:14.020 I find that if you ever...

01:29:16.280 Oh, what was that?

01:29:17.220 Sorry?

01:29:17.420 That's it.

01:29:17.980 Oh, that's it?

01:29:18.480 Okay.

01:29:19.180 So we've got some regular comments as well.

01:29:22.880 Theodore Brewer says,

01:29:23.880 Here from Florida got hit by the eye wall and still here.

01:29:27.000 Oh, well, I'm very glad to hear that you're okay.

01:29:29.840 My parents, I think, are still on holiday in Florida right now.

01:29:32.900 I did get a message from them saying,

01:29:35.700 We're all right, but it's very windy.

01:29:37.880 So I really hope that they're okay.

01:29:39.960 I didn't know they were out there.

01:29:41.200 I told them over the weekend,

01:29:43.420 I heard that there's going to be a massive hurricane hit Florida.

01:29:46.480 Please get out of the state.

01:29:48.100 And they said, Oh, yeah, we will.

01:29:49.720 And now they're like, Oh, well, you know, it's just a bit windy.

01:29:52.040 Don't worry about it.

01:29:52.720 That's like the most northern thing ever.

01:29:54.440 It's just a bit of wind.

01:29:55.400 My dad's in his 70s.

01:29:56.660 He can't manage a hurricane.

01:30:00.260 He needs to get out.

01:30:00.720 Apparently he can.

01:30:02.620 Oh, yeah.

01:30:03.220 The Robinsons are made of stern stuff.

01:30:05.220 Yeah, I suppose so.

01:30:06.820 Simon Phoenix says,

01:30:07.900 Do you plan to offer a subscription for Islander?

01:30:10.080 It would simplify planning and logistics somewhat, I assume.

01:30:13.340 I don't know.

01:30:14.020 It's not for me to say I'm nothing to do with that.

01:30:16.680 I think it's been considered at the very least.

01:30:19.340 That's all I can say.

01:30:20.380 And on him, he says,

01:30:21.600 You say Carl never puts words in your mouth,

01:30:23.700 but we know one particular product that wasn't allowed in the building.

01:30:27.320 In fact, you guys were finally allowed to eat that product on stream when he was away.

01:30:31.700 Yes, bread.

01:30:34.200 That's a throwback, yeah.

01:30:35.660 He won't put words in your mouth.

01:30:36.980 He will steal bread from it, though.

01:30:39.680 The bread snatcher.

01:30:41.840 It's like the common term.

01:30:44.320 Anyway, new Tory leaders,

01:30:46.320 would you like me to read a couple of comments for you?

01:30:48.700 Sure, yeah.

01:30:49.540 Lord Neroval says,

01:30:50.460 No matter how based some of these new Tories may seem,

01:30:53.360 they're not,

01:30:54.060 and they hate you,

01:30:55.060 and you shouldn't trust them.

01:30:56.100 That is all.

01:30:57.200 Absolutely.

01:30:58.440 Afraid bentos for every Haitian. 1.00

01:31:00.980 Is that Carl?

01:31:02.340 Is that Carl's anon account on his own website?

01:31:04.780 Let's go, Kemi.

01:31:05.520 Zero seats 2.0.

01:31:08.040 Alpha of the beta says,

01:31:09.000 If Farage stops being a wet blanket and becomes a serious nationalist,

01:31:12.180 he has a real chance of betraying the electorate in 2029.

01:31:15.920 That's fine.

01:31:17.080 Yes.

01:31:18.640 And then,

01:31:19.360 final one from this section,

01:31:20.860 Captain Charlie the Beagle says,

01:31:22.320 I thought the reason,

01:31:23.940 sorry,

01:31:24.280 I got hiccups,

01:31:25.000 that Kemi was endorsed

01:31:26.500 was also because she was based on BLM and Woke. 0.85

01:31:29.820 That is true,

01:31:30.400 yes.

01:31:30.980 On the cultural stuff,

01:31:32.300 it is true,

01:31:32.940 but she is still pro-Infinity migrants,

01:31:35.220 which trumps all of that,

01:31:36.160 I think.

01:31:37.300 And for Che,

01:31:38.220 would you like to read the Che ones?

01:31:39.500 Yeah,

01:31:39.760 Neroval again, 0.99

01:31:40.460 what I find funny about Guevara

01:31:41.680 is that he is eminently hateable to every corner of the political compass.

01:31:45.160 Top right,

01:31:45.660 Kemi.

01:31:45.940 Bottom right,

01:31:46.380 also Kemi.

01:31:46.940 Top left,

01:31:47.440 rebel insurrectionists.

01:31:48.400 Bottom left,

01:31:48.900 well,

01:31:49.120 maybe they should Google La Cabana.

01:31:50.720 Well,

01:31:50.920 I already mentioned that.

01:31:51.980 That was the quickest reading out loud I've ever heard.

01:31:54.780 Thank you.

01:31:55.140 You should have been an auctioneer.

01:31:56.600 Baron von Warpenguin.

01:31:58.020 I should read sleazy adverts for the radio.

01:32:00.240 That's what I need to do.

01:32:01.640 You guys should do more history podcasts about Kemi history.

01:32:04.420 Personally,

01:32:04.740 I would like to see you cover the history of Shining Path

01:32:06.620 and how Western celebrities simp for them, 0.65

01:32:08.540 even though these Kemi terrorists like to boil babies 0.99

01:32:10.820 and target Native Americans for genocide. 0.89

01:32:13.540 We did the Spanish Civil War one time,

01:32:15.020 didn't we?

01:32:15.400 Yes, 0.99

01:32:15.780 where they were raping and murdering nuns. 0.95

01:32:18.020 Yeah, 0.99

01:32:18.440 digging up dead nuns.

01:32:20.980 Ugh.

01:32:21.720 Yeah.

01:32:22.040 Yeah.

01:32:22.600 What are you expecting?

01:32:24.040 They're Kemi's.

01:32:25.520 Like you say,

01:32:26.280 when they asked that Polish guy,

01:32:27.800 how does it feel having killed so many people?

01:32:29.400 He said,

01:32:29.620 I wouldn't know. 0.98

01:32:30.540 I only killed communists. 0.95

01:32:33.100 Omar Awad, 0.98

01:32:34.120 communism is like some kind of giant Dunning-Kruger experiment.

01:32:37.020 They think you can take the theory out of a book

01:32:38.520 and apply it to the real world as proficiently

01:32:40.080 as the experts of the practical experience.

01:32:41.680 The Chaz slash Chopped Garden comes to mind. 1.00

01:32:43.620 Yeah,

01:32:43.740 that's always a good reminder,

01:32:45.120 actually.

01:32:45.680 Classic example.

01:32:46.400 That was an amazing practical experiment.

01:32:48.700 It was.

01:32:49.160 The real world.

01:32:50.040 Hilarious.

01:32:50.760 Turns out, 0.96

01:32:51.360 these people suck at growing things, 0.99

01:32:53.700 can't feed themselves, 1.00

01:32:54.660 and will eventually start raping and murdering one another. 0.99

01:32:56.880 The first warlord comes along with a gun, 1.00

01:32:59.120 just gets to be king of it,

01:33:00.660 and then it immediately implodes.

01:33:02.320 And finally,

01:33:03.180 chase ball,

01:33:04.300 Shea Guevara on laundry detergents,

01:33:06.880 but communists don't shell it.

01:33:09.500 Good point.

01:33:10.660 I wish they did.

01:33:11.680 Let's read some of yours.

01:33:13.060 Sure.

01:33:14.780 Okay,

01:33:15.620 so Captain Charlie Beagle says,

01:33:17.080 I think another aspect of people having kids late

01:33:18.780 is a result of life being too good and easy.

01:33:20.840 It means people haven't had to grow up and mature faster.

01:33:23.020 And so the idea of a family is foreign and until,

01:33:26.840 or for gone until they're older.

01:33:28.460 That is true.

01:33:29.620 I very much agree.

01:33:31.920 And Sophie Liv says,

01:33:32.960 we should talk about how Europe was already overpopulated in the 19th century,

01:33:38.700 basically,

01:33:39.180 which is why so many migrated to America.

01:33:41.420 Already the land couldn't sustain that many people,

01:33:44.060 and we had so many resource wars against each other too,

01:33:47.420 until the technology for food importation was available.

01:33:50.660 They outright paid people to just go to Australia to get population numbers down.

01:33:54.400 Yeah,

01:33:54.940 I was going to mention,

01:33:55.920 people don't talk about how we,

01:33:57.460 even after the Second World War,

01:33:59.380 we were still a little bit overpopulated.

01:34:01.680 So we were going,

01:34:02.500 well,

01:34:02.620 there's not enough jobs,

01:34:03.920 go to Australia instead.

01:34:06.020 Which is remarkable to think about.

01:34:08.100 But no,

01:34:08.440 no,

01:34:08.620 of course,

01:34:09.220 even though we were doing that,

01:34:10.220 we needed to start bringing in as many Africans as the transport for London could handle. 1.00

01:34:15.420 Well,

01:34:15.860 I think that that's a good point to end on.

01:34:18.280 And I hope you have enjoyed this.

01:34:20.460 And don't forget to go and watch Common Sense Crusade,

01:34:23.300 because Father Robinson is indeed in the building,

01:34:26.640 and he is here.

01:34:27.880 He's in for a good show.

01:34:29.560 Thank you very much for watching.

01:34:31.080 Thank you to my co-hosts.

01:34:32.760 And goodbye.

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 10, 2024

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1019

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