The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1021

00:00:00.000 good afternoon folks welcome to the podcast the lotus eaters for the 14th of october 2024 it is

00:00:13.820 monday so bad news but good news i'm joined by stelios and beau hello everyone and we're going

00:00:19.140 to be talking about whether there was in fact a third assassination attempt on donald trump

00:00:23.080 why elon musk is making the bureaucratic class of the west look incompetent and like they could all

00:00:30.420 be fired and why the right keeps working with hope not hate because that's a perennial question

00:00:37.900 in british politics apparently no particular announcements today so let's crack on right so

00:00:44.520 throughout this weekend there have been several rumors about a third assassination attempt against

00:00:50.000 donald trump and uh there was something that happened in his somebody did something someone

00:00:59.380 did something so every everything is a matter of speculation now but in his rally in california's

00:01:06.700 coachella's valley there has been an arrest someone was arrested then posted a five thousand dollar bail

00:01:14.760 was was released but we have conflicting reports here some people say that this person was

00:01:24.240 about to assassinate donald trump or at least to try others say that this has been a terrible mistake

00:01:31.520 so throughout the weekend we had several accounts like dc drano and other people saying a third

00:01:38.260 assassination attempt against trump was stopped by cops in california the shooter had forged

00:01:43.760 forged vip passes so this was a sophisticated operation and they're talking about stochastic

00:01:49.980 terrorism and the democrats and i think it's just using trump just worth uh pointing out that this

00:01:55.600 is a very real concern that the democrats rhetoric about trump has been i mean extreme absolutely because

00:02:03.540 we would never be talking about it had it not been for that rhetoric yeah and it's it it's very

00:02:10.040 unlikely there would have been multiple attempts on trump's life yeah were the democrats to talk

00:02:15.020 about him like he was a normal politician so stuff like saying he must be stopped yeah saying that he's

00:02:21.100 hitler he's going to be a dictator he's going to be he's never going to leave office he's going to do all

00:02:26.960 sorts of various terrible things so it would be morally justified from within the american framework

00:02:32.360 to do what they're essentially inciting people to do saying whatever it takes he must be stopped

00:02:38.740 i always remember de niro saying yeah he will never leave he would never leave he's an old man now yeah

00:02:46.740 so unlike the previous attempts this is a case where no shot was fired right and the arrest took place

00:02:56.640 before even trump reached the place where he was going to give his speech right so we have here

00:03:04.060 sheriff chad bianco saying that he thinks he prevented the third assassination attempt okay we have here

00:03:11.380 our names chad yeah you see here american name sheriff chad bianco so this is a name that commands respect

00:03:18.120 so definitely don't know about bianco seems a bit hispanic you think they're canceling each other

00:03:24.120 feminine yeah chad's a good start but bianco's a bit of a girl i i think he definitely did his job

00:03:33.580 oh yeah i mean he seems to be doing a good job yeah right so we have here a new york post article

00:03:38.920 saying saying armed man van miller arrested outside trump's coachella rally as local sheriff insists

00:03:45.860 it was the third assassination attempt despite letting the perpetrator walk on meager 5k dollar

00:03:52.560 bail and we have here miller i'm sorry he is saying affirmatively that it's an assassination

00:03:59.380 attempt but for five grand he can just go free um not exactly because it's a bit complicated when it

00:04:07.100 comes to the legal issues of what he was charged with which was weapon charges where the jurisdiction of

00:04:14.840 the federal government and the federal agencies comes in so i don't know anything about this i'm

00:04:20.760 literally learning it right now but you don't know what's in someone's mind really do you you can never

00:04:25.400 know we can never know the intent exactly but i don't know the details so i'll let you can never

00:04:31.020 know the intent and that's why even he says it's all up for speculation but in cases of uncertainty

00:04:38.140 which are the cases where you know almost every one of us um are in we have to make some considered

00:04:44.620 judgments and calculate the probabilities so what he thinks is that the probabilities are that he and his

00:04:52.000 forces prevented the third assassination attempt this is his side so we're gonna just say what each

00:04:57.940 side says and not take a stance on this at least i won't take a stance we just want to show you

00:05:04.360 what happened and again as beau said it's all up to speculation but it lands for interesting

00:05:09.740 speculation because now because there were no shots fired everyone can just come forward and put all

00:05:15.620 the theories about what happened i'll let you get to it but i'll be interested to know what the weapon was

00:05:19.760 you'll see i'll let you get to it right so miller 49 was caught at a police checkpoint allegedly trying

00:05:28.220 to enter the rally with a phony press pass but when cops noticed his car wasn't registered

00:05:33.320 they searched the vehicle and discovered a number of fake passports and driver's licenses

00:05:38.640 along with a shotgun a loaded handgun and a high capacity magazine right but he wasn't trying to take

00:05:45.620 those into the rally was he um they were in his truck truck all right so that he was trying to take the

00:05:52.620 truck in his car so what happened was that he tried to enter with his car into that right so he was

00:05:59.680 trying to yeah so he passed the first yeah it's definitely suspicious oh yeah it's very suspicious

00:06:05.640 phony press pass so there were at least two stages of control he passed the first one and uh he went

00:06:13.020 into the second one where there is more intense control and the people there from the riverside

00:06:19.540 county sheriff's department they started looking at several suspicious signs so they said that the car

00:06:26.920 looked a bit suspicious the license plate seemed forged if you have the eye you know you can see

00:06:33.460 you know there's something wrong with these plates yeah they went in to check they said the car was in

00:06:37.880 total mess inside right that was suspicious always suspicious yeah you don't have many people whose

00:06:45.720 cars are messy anyway kfc buckets and empty mountain dew in the in the passenger side footwell

00:06:51.740 definitely a terrorist that prompted that prompted more checks and they started looking at stuff and

00:06:59.740 they saw that he had several passports and also several um driving licenses and they found the guns

00:07:09.120 and they said okay let's not take any shot with it any chance with it they arrested him and they could

00:07:16.680 arrest him just for the for the gun charges gun possession charges so we see here the sheriff we can

00:07:24.780 see what he says here that everything happened before donald trump arrived man approach i can let the

00:07:32.480 sheriff speak for himself but we have his name as vem v-e-m miller m-i-l-l-e-r and his birth date is

00:07:43.800 10 26 of 1974 and the reason why i gave it to you like that is i will explain later

00:07:52.920 he approached the outside perimeter gave all indications that he belonged there that he was

00:07:58.520 uh that he had that he was a participant that was allowed to get into vip and to uh and and a press corps

00:08:06.280 and so he was allowed through that outer perimeter as he got to the inside perimeter where deputies were

00:08:11.000 conducting obviously a more thorough uh evaluation of the vehicles that were coming in there were many

00:08:16.920 irregularities that popped up the deputy noticed that the interior of the vehicle was in quite disarray

00:08:23.960 the vehicle had a uh an obviously fake license plate and that prompted further investigation from our

00:08:32.680 deputy into why the person was where why the person was there and what he was doing during that

00:08:39.000 investigation the deputy eventually found multiple passports with multiple names multiple driver's

00:08:46.600 license with different names the vehicle was unregistered and the license plate was what we in law

00:08:54.520 enforcement would recognize as one that is homemade and indicative of a group of individuals that claim

00:09:03.160 to be sovereign citizens and uh we and assuming the deputy assumes that he would that he was part of of that

00:09:11.320 identifying group so i was bonkers yeah so and they say also that he's part of a group called sovereign

00:09:20.440 citizens that uh the van miller will denied afterwards and we'll see he denies all the allegations

00:09:29.480 right we have also the other bit here because essentially what goes on here is speculation

00:09:36.440 the sheriff didn't want to take any chances so it seems to me that that's the case so they said that

00:09:41.640 you know that's a suspicious vehicle they are prompted for more searching for a more intense search

00:09:47.720 and they found all these fake passports and all these these driving licenses and the loaded guns and the

00:09:54.200 sheriff said you know i saw many of you people here in previous rallies you didn't have guns so that

00:09:59.640 was suspicious and uh many people are saying that he was sort of panicked and that he is trying to make

00:10:08.520 a case for himself he tries to make a public image of his himself and catch the public eye and say that he did

00:10:15.320 prevent this i'll just also let him speak here about the stuff because he essentially says that

00:10:21.160 it's commonsensical to think that this person was going to yeah to try to do you turn up with fake

00:10:28.600 pass fake passports and a car with fake licenses full of guns yeah that's pretty suspicious i do think

00:10:35.800 it's suspicious although what we said about the weapons shotgun isn't your classic no but he had a

00:10:40.760 handgun as well yeah still they're both close range things really sure but so you're saying there's an

00:10:48.040 angle here that uh sheriff chad bianco himself is trying to get some spotlight is that what some

00:10:53.960 people are saying there are people who said that he overreacted okay and that apart from the overreaction

00:11:00.280 the statements are a bit you know they're trying he tried to make uh to boost his image okay i mean i

00:11:08.760 think the reaction seems to be justified there have been two prior attempts on trump some guy with a bunch of

00:11:15.480 fake uh ids turns up with a car with guns in it that's not an unreasonable help yourself yeah it's

00:11:21.880 not an unreasonable response at all and let's see what he says here so this is what i'm glad of this

00:11:27.160 is what i am very glad of i know that that the the presence that we had uh at the rally with deputies

00:11:35.960 with snipers with counter snipers and secret service snipers and counter snipers i am glad that we're not

00:11:43.480 talking about this after we shot him we get to talk about it before and no matter what it's all going

00:11:51.640 to be speculation about what his intentions were getting there what we do know is he showed up with

00:11:59.400 multiple passports with different names an unregistered vehicle with fake license plate

00:12:05.960 and loaded firearms i i if you're asking me right now i probably did have deputies that prevented the

00:12:14.600 third assassination attempt if if we are that politically 0.96

00:12:23.400 lost that we have lost sight of common sense and reality and reason that we can't say that holy crap 0.85

00:12:31.640 what did he show up with all of that stuff for and loaded guns and we're going to and we're and 0.69

00:12:36.360 i'm going to be accused of being dramatic we have a serious serious problem in this country

00:12:42.600 because this is common sense and reason i i i saw some of you there yesterday you didn't have guns and

00:12:49.800 fake ids i don't know i don't know how else to explain it i think it was a reasonable yeah fair point

00:12:56.120 yeah yeah i think it's a fair point and he did his job he did his job well no one died oh yeah so

00:13:02.760 i think that the thing is people be like oh well sovereign citizens aren't pro-democrats like no

00:13:08.200 but they're anti-dictator you know they're very much concerned with um the sort of hardline view of

00:13:14.440 classical liberal liberties and so if the media is just like dictator dictator hitler hitler it's entirely

00:13:19.800 possible that some bonkers guys come like right well i've got to go and do this to prevent

00:13:23.720 the you know the third the the future dictatorship whatever so now it's interesting to present the

00:13:29.720 other side yep to see the side of people who say that most probably he didn't want to assassinate

00:13:35.880 donald trump let's just so they say that this person vem miller is someone who is frequenting

00:13:43.160 republican rallies and he has taken photos with several people from the republican side i'll show you

00:13:48.760 pictures with vivek with jordan peterson and other people so let's see him here at the republican

00:13:56.760 national convention which was held in july the 15th to the 18th he was there essentially he was

00:14:05.080 so one thing i don't get is that everything at this convention at the republican national convention

00:14:12.760 is uh cashless this whole place is cashless so i don't know see that's a republican national convention

00:14:19.720 behind me wonderful people wonderful time just not happy that it's all cashless

00:14:32.120 so they're saying that this isn't a person who just happened to out of nowhere just attend

00:14:37.560 uh donald trump rally that he he has been he is going to several um of these rallies and he he's

00:14:45.400 also known to a lot of people so here we see him with dennis quaid i wanted to see that was dennis

00:14:51.480 quaid okay yeah who also played down the reagan film is that everything and uh there you see him also

00:14:58.520 you'll see if we play the video here he also has one thing photographs with let's go here with vivek and

00:15:06.920 other people it's not loading now we'll take you we'll take it yeah so and they're saying essentially

00:15:12.360 he is breaking his silence and he is saying that he is essentially a pro-tramp republican ever since

00:15:19.720 2018 and a friend of his and podcaster i'll show you i'll show her to you

00:15:28.120 yeah um right-wing documentarian mindy robinson said miller has been a maga activist for years had no

00:15:35.720 intention of killing the former president and said she has been to several pro-trump events with him

00:15:42.120 you see her here with it yeah right so we see here he says that it has been a misunderstanding

00:15:51.960 so he just happened to have these things in his car he happens to be a disorderly person

00:15:56.440 he happens to have got a bunch of false passports he happens to have fake license plates well happens to

00:16:01.640 a fake you'll see what he says with a passport okay he says he is from armenia and he had uh

00:16:08.360 he has documents with the original armenian name but also a name that he changed into in 2022 so it

00:16:17.480 gets a bit more complicated so we see here a friend and business partner of miller told daily mail he is

00:16:23.640 a full-blown trump supporter and slammed the police for not understanding his one of us i won't say that

00:16:29.880 whether he was trying to assassinate donald trump or not i think that this statement is completely

00:16:36.520 mistaken on behalf of the friend yeah i think it's totally fair for the police to be skeptical about

00:16:40.920 yes so seems odd they people are not mind readers so if people are acting suspiciously yeah the job of

00:16:49.080 the people who are entrusted with the protection of donald trump is to protect donald trump yeah right

00:16:55.000 yeah yeah we we don't have we're not in minority report when we have those three uh ancient glasses

00:17:00.920 who are reading minds i don't remember okay so he says that he has literally never shot a gun in his

00:17:08.600 life that he had these guns to protect himself in case he was attacked i think you might need to learn

00:17:14.760 how to use them then yeah he says he's an artist the last person that could cause any violence and harm to

00:17:22.280 anybody okay he says that the accusations were a complete bs he's a trump supporter ever since 2018

00:17:30.280 he he initially thought that he would support obama in the past but he then drifted rightward to

00:17:36.920 libertarianism sure he thinks that trump is the embodiment of freedom of speech at least in this case

00:17:45.800 he deeply admires him and he says now that's where the plot that's where it's interesting miller also

00:17:52.120 says that there are no falsified ids on his person so he denies the allegations that the ids were fake

00:17:59.720 what about the press pass and that there was confusion because he's armenian and some use

00:18:04.280 his full birth name and others don't to avoid potential anti-armenian sentiment around the world

00:18:10.920 and says his 2021 court documents because he was

00:18:14.280 in a feud with his wife then wife named him as van vim yanovkian also known as van miller yanovkian

00:18:23.960 miller filed in clark county nevada to change his name to van miller in 2022 the court appears to have

00:18:30.200 granted the request he further denied allegations made by sheriff chad bianco that he was part of an

00:18:36.440 anti-government sovereign citizens movement okay so he is denying the allegations and here we can

00:18:43.960 see the documents where he is named as van vim yanovkian right so i think that this doesn't address the

00:18:51.800 suspicious behavior so whether also maybe i've lost something that we haven't heard about the plates

00:18:59.160 just to be kind i mean he could be a kook right for me the thing is we've got to address the guns 0.88

00:19:07.480 yeah having multiple documents with not exactly the same name on all of them okay and if there's a

00:19:13.320 reason for it then absolutely okay um but now there's a little bit about american gun culture

00:19:19.240 and british gun culture now so the fake licenses and the fake uh pass press passes yeah that is suspicious

00:19:24.920 yeah and don't have fake plates on your car that's just not allowed i don't think so

00:19:28.920 don't falsify papers close to the president all those things are a bit weird and suspicious but

00:19:33.400 not really a big deal doesn't make you an assassin does it in any way shape or form the gun thing

00:19:37.160 though so lots of not just americans but all sorts of non-british people think that you can't have

00:19:41.960 guns in britain you can yeah there are millions of guns yeah you can totally get you can get like up to

00:19:48.360 uh you can get big rifles you can get hunting rifles yeah yeah yeah it's just handguns that are more

00:19:54.280 or less entirely banned but you you can get guns in britain they're not completely banned however

00:19:58.760 we do have a different culture to america now having said that um just don't take guns to a

00:20:06.120 political rally though that's what's suspicious to me um that that's why january the 6th didn't

00:20:11.640 seem very suspicious to me that's all really the republicans the gun lovers they're overthrowing the

00:20:16.920 republic and not one of them is armed i'm not sure that's the overthrow attempt you're uh right out to

00:20:22.200 be yeah it's like if you're um just a pro-gun person in america and you love your guy you live

00:20:28.600 in california and you've got guns um and you take them in your car for self-defense and all that sort

00:20:33.480 of thing fine okay i guess don't go to a trump rally with them though yeah yeah that it that's the one

00:20:39.480 point for me where it's like you've got shotgun and handguns with higher capacity mags in the vehicle

00:20:46.520 though like just leave those at home this day today yeah that's the that's the rule for me the

00:20:51.720 crux so far what i'm learning is uh that was a mistake i think may the the the counter response

00:20:59.320 would be that you know if there is someone who does try to assassinate trump and other people shoot

00:21:06.120 other people maybe you need to protect yourself against them but i don't i think that it's not

00:21:10.200 gonna be you let the service do that yeah yeah i think it it leads into chaos yeah why would you

00:21:16.520 and that's the issue that that i i want to address uh the people who are lashing out against the

00:21:22.520 sheriff that you lit you literally can't have it both ways because if something happened everyone

00:21:29.240 would say he didn't do his job now that he he was do you want to have a zealous yeah he should be

00:21:36.040 obviously protecting protecting donald trump he did his job now people again are i don't think in my

00:21:43.880 mind so far i'm not putting any blame or anything on on chad yeah none at all yeah he's acted perfectly

00:21:49.960 his job is to be overzealous at this point yeah the last thing any sheriff or would want is for

00:21:55.880 something to go down on their patch oh yeah at the end of his career oh yeah yeah so he he'd be

00:22:01.080 responsible i mean you know he's probably not a big democrat you know i mean i doubt he wants that

00:22:06.120 so what happened now to you know to come come to an end with the segment is that he was arrested

00:22:13.400 for gun charges he was let out on bail on five thousand dollar bail and uh sheriff chad bianco

00:22:21.880 says that he is in to contact with federal agencies about other the other stuff who are investigating the

00:22:29.800 other bits about with the passports and the the plates and and the overall state of his car messy

00:22:35.720 state of his car but uh the federal agencies are thinking that it's unlikely that he tried to

00:22:43.160 assassinate trump and here we have them say that it's unlikely that it happened and the fbi is not

00:22:49.480 investigating it as such sources told the post who noted miller is a member of an anti-government

00:22:54.680 for a right group and probably had the weapons for personal defense alone so they are essentially

00:22:59.640 saying something different now they are contradicting the miller who said that he isn't a part of any

00:23:05.160 kind of group the federal agencies seem to be saying that he is part of group but he didn't want to

00:23:10.760 assassinate donald trump it's all a bit of a mess but it it looks like it's just some kooky guy who

00:23:17.960 thought i could get in and get you know get a good seat or something i don't know if so really it's all

00:23:23.480 a matter of doesn't sound like he was trying to actually kill trump so you see it's all a matter of

00:23:27.400 speculation and at the point and you see if you just hear the one side on the on the one hand and

00:23:32.760 just form an opinion from that one side everyone will say no he definitely wanted to assassinate

00:23:37.960 donald trump if they hear other sides and other data maybe there is occasion for a different a

00:23:43.640 different uh judgment to be made but i think what i what seems to me very clear is that this sheriff did

00:23:50.440 his job yeah i mean yes if i had to put a bit of money on it everything i've learned in the last 25

00:23:55.320 minutes and i have come into this cold i didn't know anything about this until we start this

00:23:58.200 segment i will probably put money on that the guy's not an assassin but the chad bianchi bianco

00:24:04.760 did his job yeah i i don't know if he wanted to assassinate him or not but i think the sheriff did his job

00:24:13.320 all right moving on then all right can you scroll down on the document uh

00:24:17.080 uh that's all my bit super okay so i'm going to talk about uncle elon again um something i love it

00:24:26.680 with a space yeah yeah i love yeah yeah yeah elon's doing a great job yeah like everything it seems you

00:24:33.960 know my good executive manager my uh my never-ending campaign to get noticed and picked as ship's poet for

00:24:40.520 the mars mission uh no uh starship did the first uh landing with the mechazilla play it play the vt run vt

00:24:48.040 samson um so starship the sound the pure power

00:25:00.520 actually they call it mechazilla don't they the uh the stanchion crane thing catching it

00:25:06.520 the mechanic god i mean can we just briefly talk about how this doesn't look real right yeah

00:25:11.960 play the other two clips while we're talking yeah so this like it's almost unbelievable to the eye

00:25:16.600 isn't it in the era of ai i mean it's not just that it's it's the way the thing is designed

00:25:23.960 coming in fast as well doesn't it yeah yeah i've heard that about the shuttle it comes in fast yeah

00:25:28.040 but it's only got like one rocket at the bottom which makes it look like it's just flip over or

00:25:32.200 something right it doesn't look like it should be able to do this and so when it's coming down

00:25:36.680 very controlled it to actually be grabbed by this crane thing i mean genuinely spectacular feat of

00:25:43.560 engineering just saying i am doing a fedora tip here but it's like it's more like 36 rockets under

00:25:49.240 it i don't know but still i know what you're saying it doesn't have like side rockets right balance it

00:25:54.280 there are little ones but nonetheless i mean

00:25:57.400 it doesn't quite look real does it no no it's just an incredible feat of human engineering yeah

00:26:04.840 yeah yeah yeah one of the more impressive things we've ever done yeah yeah absolutely like

00:26:11.800 just turn the sound off so we'll talk over it but it's just

00:26:17.160 that level of precision again it just look at it that there are so many things that could go wrong

00:26:23.880 with this right so many things have to line up perfectly in order to make this happen it could

00:26:29.800 all just you know fly out of control things blow up and that's it you know okay that's hundreds of

00:26:36.120 billions of dollars down the drain uh and this was a boondoggle this didn't work but instead uh that

00:26:41.080 happened and the response wasn't exactly um spectacular from the powers that be was it oh well yeah among

00:26:47.640 other things i mean most normal people most reasonable people yeah um just look at something

00:26:51.640 like that and think wow what an incredible feat yeah because uh so here's just one thing before

00:26:57.080 we go on to it just um just one other bit of elon news oh yeah at the moment um that he he tweeted

00:27:03.720 something a bit spicy about the fact that no one's trying to kill karen harris yeah yeah just an

00:27:09.560 observation yeah yeah that yeah but if you were ill-intentioned you could read it as being an

00:27:17.160 an implicative statement i suppose you could um and i the thing is i don't think elon was looking

00:27:21.960 at it that way at all i think he was bringing his kind of autistic uh analysis to be like well you

00:27:27.000 can tell who's the threat to the system by the who's getting the assassination attempts um and he he

00:27:32.200 was completely correct in the chat with carlson about yeah i mean kamal harris is just a puppet

00:27:36.600 obviously true it just is an observation although a spicy one yeah but apparently the secret service are

00:27:42.680 uh wanted everyone to not only that they are aware but want everyone to know that they're aware

00:27:48.200 again it's just one more one more little dig at elon for sort of daring to say something right

00:27:55.160 um but okay if we move on so um yeah just just talk about how he's under attack from all different

00:28:01.400 angles for political reasons for uh yeah political reasons and people in california various bureaucrats in

00:28:08.200 california have been i think fairly open that it's just it's just for political reasons so

00:28:13.640 i was gonna say all right yeah no so um so elon with starlink they launch all sorts of stuff more

00:28:20.680 the falcon stuff sort of all the time yeah um elon is launching things into low earth orbit kind

00:28:27.640 of all the time or spacex rather not elon personally yeah lighting the fuse um and so yeah in california

00:28:34.440 because the big ones in texas isn't it the big spaceport and there's obviously cape canaveral in

00:28:41.000 florida um is it cape kennedy or cape canaveral they've changed it a few times anyway people in

00:28:47.160 the chat are going mad um and also launch stuff from california and yeah they're just trying to

00:28:54.360 thwart him on on multiple fronts i think there's a reason and uh symbolically elon musk in the in the

00:29:00.920 woke mind in the democrat mind is like have you watched the movie don't look up in uh on netflix

00:29:07.880 yeah they they had the equivalent of his character billionaire who walks into the white house talks

00:29:14.120 to meryl streep who was the president allegedly be being an allegory for trump and saying that you know

00:29:20.920 i'm gonna be the billionaire who's gonna assist you with a comet that's coming to destroy earth

00:29:25.320 and all his mechanics were just just more functioned and the world was destroyed right yeah

00:29:31.640 that seems to be working though all right that's why they hate it so just a quick thing did uh biden

00:29:37.560 or kamala congratulate elon on this great success no i'm aware of yeah i didn't say they might well

00:29:43.640 have done but not i saw yeah you'd think it would be front and center on their twitter accounts this

00:29:47.560 incredible achievement of american engineering yeah how our country is advancing the frontiers of human

00:29:53.400 knowledge and camp capabilities they don't want to increase his reach on twitter no they don't they

00:29:58.200 don't want to give him kudos no ironically i think that's impossible though he's like 200 million yeah

00:30:04.600 but they don't want people thinking well of him right that's the problem and it's political anyone

00:30:10.440 other than the most staunch democrats are gonna be the most indifferent if not just a fan right how is it

00:30:19.080 what's not impressive about what he's doing yeah um so um just while we're talking clear as well

00:30:24.840 when we say elon we mean elon at the apex of a giant institution and team who have all made this

00:30:31.320 happen obviously oh god yeah elon's not designing the the the specific the specifications like the

00:30:36.440 visionary in the yeah he's the executive oh another thing to add to to just expand on my elon

00:30:42.920 sycophancy is i'd like to express uh uh sycophancy towards the entire spacex team everyone that works

00:30:51.000 there brilliant stuff i wish i was younger and much more brilliant and i could join you in in that

00:30:58.280 journey i really wish i could but um it's not going to happen for me now um so samson just while we're

00:31:05.480 talking if you just click through the various links uh because they're all sort of the same uh based on the

00:31:10.920 same sort of headlines oh well actually one thing we was going to say one uh one angle he's going to

00:31:16.680 take is that elon is something like a great man of history probably will go down in the books for

00:31:22.520 decades perhaps even a few centuries to come as someone worthy of note in the early 21st century

00:31:27.880 yeah um certainly like it seems that way someone like um um john d rockefeller yeah type figure even

00:31:35.800 100 years later people will have will know the name and stuff yeah i'm i'm personally quite a fan of the

00:31:40.600 great man of history thomas carlisle's great man of history theory because it seems to actually

00:31:46.040 hold a lot of weight um the wig view of history is that history is a kind of inevitable uh upwards

00:31:52.280 progress which obviously isn't true and carlisle had a kind of cyclical view so things get better and

00:31:58.200 then things decline and then things get better and things decline and the great man makes things happen

00:32:03.880 based on his own executive power and ability and capacity and this is i think pretty borne out

00:32:09.880 rather than it against the the wig view um in that the fact that the great man is often struggling

00:32:17.560 against forces that don't want change and he makes the change anyway and in fact a lot of the time it's

00:32:25.320 everyone is against the great man and yet he ends up winning in the end so julius caesar is a great

00:32:29.800 example of this um but i mean like almost any great conqueror in history is against some titanic

00:32:36.360 forces and elon musk is against the entire deep state of american establishment he's against it all

00:32:42.600 same with trump and they seem to be accomplishing in the face of it and no one's going to remember

00:32:48.360 kamala harrison a hundred years right but they may well remember elon musk and so i again i'm much more

00:32:54.120 drawn to this uh with as a theory with explanatory power than oh things just happen bro like no you

00:33:02.120 can see the amount of effort and willpower and competency that is requiring to get over these

00:33:08.280 hurdles these aren't things that just happen on their own no this is a product of a particular

00:33:13.640 small cabal of people led in a particular way against various forces over which they to which they

00:33:20.120 overcome and so i think that's just far more sensible of you it seems to be true so we thought we'd do a

00:33:27.720 very quick show for my show behind the paywall um of epochs where we talk about great men yeah a few

00:33:34.520 times there's a lot uh caesar augustus uh nelson there uh the duke of wednesday arthur wellesley uh

00:33:44.600 frederick the great is a classic example of where it's the whole world against him basically

00:33:49.800 i said in the office earlier like a game of risk when everyone realizes one person's going to win

00:33:54.040 in the next turn so everyone just piles on them frederick great's classic example but like napoleon

00:33:59.560 you see this with the endorsements of kamala at the moment everyone like the media the deep state

00:34:03.960 all the democrats loads of um uh business owners loads of uh actors celebrities they're all lining up to

00:34:13.400 oppose the paradigm that elon is trying to usher in here and the question of whether he's a great

00:34:19.320 man or not is whether he wins right you become the great man by overcoming everyone else yes

00:34:25.880 everyone versus you and you still win that way maybe you can carve a a great man spot for yourself

00:34:32.360 in history yeah i think you're right you talked about carlisle also there's just the marxist view of

00:34:36.600 history where great men don't really matter it's all about trends economic trends class forces all

00:34:43.160 sorts of things like that um dan carlin put it well and i just completely agree it's both

00:34:47.960 yeah it's just both yeah at the same time yeah i mean a good example of this is alexander the great

00:34:54.600 if alexander the great didn't inherit philip of macedon's army there's no alexander conquering persia

00:35:00.840 like philip's army for anyone doesn't know uh was alexander's dad and he spent his life building

00:35:05.560 up an amazing military machine and if that wasn't in place for alexander to inherit when he was like

00:35:10.840 19 he's not invading the persian empire right he's not going to invade the persian empire with a ragtag 0.96

00:35:15.960 bunch of people and overthrow it it's so that there is a kind of material base upon which the great man's

00:35:22.840 will must operate uh it's definitely both i i think both though has a point that it's both yeah i'm

00:35:29.880 making the point yeah no no i'm not i'm not saying that i agree because there are people who will

00:35:33.960 just come and say well had it not been for for philip alexander wouldn't be what he made so he owed

00:35:40.920 all of it to philip i think he had an individual input yeah well that's that's the point it's it's

00:35:45.480 still the will of alexander to invade persia um but he did require a certain level of material

00:35:53.240 position history is absolutely littered with examples of where there's been a great man that moved history

00:35:58.200 made a world of difference changed all of subsequent history because one man made a

00:36:02.120 particular decision it was born out of just his mind a couple of examples spring to mind is um

00:36:06.520 clive of india just before the battle of plassi everyone said don't go in there it's eight to one

00:36:11.080 maybe twenty to one that's crazy and he ummed and i had thought about it for a moment and well for a

00:36:15.240 while and they said no we're doing it yeah we can do this and all of history certainly for the

00:36:19.400 subcontinent is different due to that one example of napoleon in spain when he decided at one point he

00:36:25.960 was sort of called back to central europe germany to fight he was in spain at the time and it's a

00:36:31.160 great great image in my mind anyway sort of takes himself off alone for a while pondering whether he

00:36:37.080 should stay in spain or not and decided not to he'd leave he'll leave it to his brother and his marshals

00:36:42.680 and he'll go off to germany um a lot of history could have been very very different on just that one

00:36:47.640 decision but as i say history is absolutely littered with it caesar deciding that he is going to in fact

00:36:51.720 to cross the rubicon right there's just there's sort of endless examples again in the face of

00:36:58.120 all of the incentives not to do so right like it wasn't a necessary choice for caesar to cross

00:37:03.880 for alexander to invade purge he actually didn't have to do that and his life probably would have

00:37:07.400 been a lot easier and longer had he not uh he would have just been like the emperor of greece

00:37:11.880 basically had a big kingdom in greece he would have been rich he would have been powerful but he

00:37:16.520 decided no i'm going to go for it hannibal deciding he's going to cross the alps with elephants in winter

00:37:20.680 yeah there's nothing necessary about that and then not besiege rome after canna it goes on and

00:37:25.400 on and on like when an individual man usually a man um makes a decision and okay and elon's at the

00:37:32.200 same point there's nothing necessary about getting this thing to dock in the the holder or whatever

00:37:38.280 it is but that's not that's not an inevitability that's a lot of work to make that come together

00:37:44.840 uh and again in the in the face of the government basically persecuting him okay yeah all right

00:37:51.800 whatever yeah he did say in that uh fairly recent interview with tucker that he does fear that if

00:37:59.000 go after him if kamala wins and the democrats win they'll try and sort of yeah leverage everything

00:38:04.520 they possibly can against him to ruin him um in the court of public opinion if nothing else

00:38:10.360 but no they'll go for i'm sure they will probably go for the jugular do anything they can sort of

00:38:15.560 ruin him uh because as as i mentioned yeah the starlink thing it's a sort of constant stream of

00:38:22.680 rockets so they're just trying to and there's other allegations that he's in bed with the russians in

00:38:27.880 some sort of nefarious way um yeah and again it's just deeply political for these people and what i love

00:38:34.840 about this as well this is a great headline california bureaucrats slapped down the air force and spacex over

00:38:40.120 politics yeah i bet they do right because not only does elon not share their politics when elon took

00:38:44.840 over twitter what did he do he fired two-thirds of the bureaucrats working there and nothing changed

00:38:51.640 and that is a terrible thing to watch if you're a bureaucrat who basically does busy work who occupies

00:38:57.160 a point and moves around spreadsheets and emails oh yeah the elon musk if donald trump wins and

00:39:03.160 elon musk does get put in charge of the department of government efficiency i'm getting fired and i saw

00:39:08.920 someone on twitter the other day going elon's just going to get in there and fire middle class

00:39:12.760 people for sport and i was like good i hope he i hope he live streams it i'll pay per view that okay

00:39:19.240 i want to watch elon firing civil servants all day every day cackling while he does it get a job

00:39:27.240 i've worked for some very big companies before giant ones where the whole building is that company

00:39:31.320 yeah yeah and yeah there's loads of waste yeah i've worked in teams with like 12 people and like

00:39:36.200 three people are doing 95 of the work yeah i've been one of those people that's not doing the work

00:39:41.640 even i've been one of those people yeah you're sort of watching the clock for most of the day

00:39:47.400 um it's yeah this is the way it is in a big organization and if yeah not only did twitter

00:39:52.280 not collapse after he did that it got better didn't it's actually it's actually like because

00:39:56.440 twitter was losing billions every year and so elon has sort of leveled it off

00:40:00.120 now yeah how are we going to be productive without having uh nine hours of meetings every

00:40:05.560 eight hour day yeah yeah so if you click through just the next few sort of the same sort of thing

00:40:12.680 the thing the thing that i think was surprising from these californian politicians state level

00:40:17.160 politicians is uh that they were just it just said yeah it was because it's because of his politics

00:40:21.880 yeah not even trying to make up some just openly say it some nonsense um there's no mask yeah that's gone

00:40:29.560 completely no no we hate him because he isn't woke if elon was woke and when back before he

00:40:35.160 was like overtly political he was a bit of a darling of theirs he's always producing electric

00:40:39.320 cars well you know why wouldn't we be thrilled with elon musk if you think about like 10 years

00:40:44.120 uh back he was he was not the left wing but like he wasn't overtly political and so

00:40:48.760 he was uh not a threat to their moral order right he was just he was just going yeah we we could save

00:40:55.240 the planet that's a good thing and then you know now he's full-on trump because they're full-on

00:40:59.880 insane leftist um but yeah so i think it would be amazing if uh trump wins and uh elon is in

00:41:08.200 government oh that'd be great i would very much like to see that how's the starmer regime going

00:41:13.880 to take it yeah so even in britain there's sort of the lefty bureaucratic let's be honest communist

00:41:20.600 uh traitor class uh that hate trump uh well yeah hate trump but hey elon uh just as much and um

00:41:29.080 actually trevor phillips gave uh this guy a bit of a should we watch it yeah let's watch it yeah 0.69

00:41:34.600 why didn't you invite elon musk you're desperate to get a company which sacked its employees by zoom but

00:41:43.720 you're stiffy about the biggest car maker in the world because he put something on social media

00:41:48.840 he didn't like okay i'm not going to comment on particular invitations for particular person

00:41:53.720 come on elon musk is not some some odd invitation it is elon musk biggest car maker in the world

00:41:59.400 richest man in the world why didn't you invite him look i'm not going to comment on the reasons for

00:42:03.800 any specific person but i can tell you we have 300 of the most significant investors business

00:42:10.280 people who can bring significant amounts of capital to the uk big names things that will make a big

00:42:16.280 difference to working people yeah and that's the criteria you're happy to talk to me about dp world

00:42:20.760 who sacks their workers you're happy to invite the saudis who uh authorize the murder of jamal khashoggi

00:42:28.520 and they get the red carpet why isn't musk being invited well this is you in opposition isn't it

00:42:34.840 again no not at all this is about who can bring the kind of investments that will make the biggest

00:42:40.280 difference to the uk to working people's lives which is man of the world don't worry about it i 0.99

00:42:43.800 think that's a little bubble too that he could put in a car in into britain well look the criteria

00:42:49.800 and the selection this is a summit i know that everyone wants to come i do understand that not

00:42:53.800 everyone can come and i'm not going to be right to go through the individual decisions for individual

00:42:58.840 people but this is about what will make the biggest difference you understand how weird this

00:43:05.480 sounds you want people to come and invest in britain you want people to bring their money yet

00:43:12.600 the one person who probably has got more money to burn and would probably like to invest in britain

00:43:18.760 in fact he says so publicly when he didn't get the invitation you're deciding he's not good enough for

00:43:25.560 what reason no look if people have an investment proposition for the uk he's got nothing just not

00:43:32.760 answering the question that's disgraceful and i i deeply disrespected as a stance because you know

00:43:37.640 you don't like him because you think he was not uh helping the situation after the south war riots

00:43:44.600 just come out and say yeah yeah yeah yeah come out and say at least be like the california democrat

00:43:48.520 that's exactly what i was gonna say just california democrat bureaucrat that situation and just say

00:43:53.080 we don't like the guy yeah he's too right wing for us we're left wing he might fire me yeah yeah but

00:43:58.920 that's the thing isn't it it's like he's not absolutely the squirmy politician yeah what

00:44:03.400 worthless say we don't like him just say own it yeah yeah worthless squirmy bureaucrat is like look

00:44:08.360 musk represents a completely different paradigm to management to me he wants to get things done

00:44:12.600 i want to just burn taxpayer money that's what it's just say it just say everyone knows that that's the

00:44:17.320 case you would get fired by elon musk if he were injured that's what you're saying and you feel that

00:44:22.760 he's a threat to you we know everyone can see it it's okay which is not but you know yeah

00:44:29.320 everyone can see it and you you know you shouldn't be where you are because you're a nobody who's got

00:44:32.760 no experience or talents okay understood yeah we get it you know you feel threatened by that

00:44:38.600 if you go to the next next couple of links then so uh even the hill noticed noticed yeah that

00:44:45.240 perhaps the left side of the aisle being a tad unreasonable liberals are losing their mind over

00:44:51.240 elon musk well yeah they have lost their mind a while ago yeah it's it's just the same thing with

00:44:56.680 trump is when they say i'm not a part of your sort of woke managerial paradigm they're like okay well

00:45:02.280 now this is just the new hitler this is the enemy we have to intransigently oppose him at every turn

00:45:06.920 no matter what he actually manages to achieve doesn't matter we disagree and uh yeah even newsweek

00:45:15.640 uh that's a bit more unhinged but uh i don't think joe it says for anyone's justice in how joe

00:45:21.240 biden drove elon musk into the arms of donald trump well not really though because i think

00:45:26.920 what i mean is well what i was going to say was my angle and my take on that was just going to be that

00:45:31.320 he was never elon musk was never joe biden's guy though no but he was he never was like stood on the

00:45:38.360 stump for biden did he no but he was never like a republican you know he's never like oh i'm hardcore

00:45:43.320 republican uh they they being a bunch of weird cultist lefty freaks were like elon musk unless

00:45:50.680 you agree to everything like including transing children and opening borders and things like that 0.98

00:45:55.080 then you're out of the club and elon was like okay i'm out of the club you guys are evil 0.70

00:45:59.160 okay well there we go you know so i guess they did drive him to donald trump but i also think having

00:46:03.880 said that to add to your point and to contradict what i just said i think there was back before 2016 or in

00:46:09.960 and around that time i think elon and trump had um crossed swords a bit a few a few one or two

00:46:17.000 crosswords with each other not much but just like not necessarily completely on the same page

00:46:22.360 uh but anyway one last thing i suppose um just a tiny little video i thought we could watch is just

00:46:27.800 one final sort of homage to space and you don't have to turn it down or just that how many failures

00:46:36.600 they've had yeah not just um um not just elon himself but the whole spacex thing see that you

00:46:44.360 don't give in you don't give in like look how unlikely it is that any of this came about it's

00:46:49.560 like no success is just the the final step of failure if you scroll up ever so slightly i think

00:46:54.760 even the quote on it is yeah and just i'll never give up um yeah and that's yet success that hasn't

00:47:01.800 come yet all right yeah yeah yeah and i think that's a good life a great life lesson perhaps

00:47:07.320 one of the most important life lessons of all is that you're almost certainly going to fail loads

00:47:12.120 of times before you succeed at most things nearly anything certainly anything that's hard yeah

00:47:18.040 anything is worth doing and also quite often when you try and do something that's very very hard you're

00:47:23.080 almost certainly going to fall on your ass attempting multiple times and when there's no guarantee that 0.86

00:47:27.880 you're ever going to be successful you keep going anyway yeah you've got to keep going anyway and i 0.91

00:47:34.360 think spacex is a great not just spacex but a lot of things elon has done but particularly spacex it

00:47:39.480 came close to having to just stop in the early days because you can't endlessly fail no no at some

00:47:45.480 point you have to be realistic at some point even elon's money will run out and so it came close it

00:47:50.440 was touch and go for a while i think in the early days of spacex but they kept going

00:47:54.360 and now it seems they're going from success to success he's built a great team there there's

00:47:59.640 some of the best hours during trump's second some of the best but yeah yeah i think well the artemis

00:48:05.240 three we are supposed to land on the moon next year i think they're going to do a manned mission around

00:48:11.240 the moon this year very soon like an apollo 8 apollo 9 type thing and then actually put boots back on

00:48:18.200 the moon next year i think that's the idea realistically it might be the year after or the year after but

00:48:23.000 not that long away yeah so um we'll see i've got my fingers crossed for all spacex endeavors myself

00:48:29.080 yeah so just go for some comments um uh oph uk says uh musk is currently tony stark his majesty's

00:48:35.800 most loyal opposition and trump's spare running mate all at the same time yeah that's true he

00:48:40.520 occupies all of these positions um his majesty's opposition yeah he sort of is yeah well at the

00:48:47.000 time the labor party is treating him like you know again any of these sort of strong personalities with

00:48:53.160 lots of charisma the left just looks at them and goes oh god that guy's evil it's like okay um the

00:48:58.360 the shadow ban says uh the main reason they hate elon is because he's enabling free speech yeah that's

00:49:02.440 one of them that's definitely one of them uh not even that he supports trump it's the idea that

00:49:06.280 alternative frameworks can be shared besides the ruling formula scares the regime yeah that's they they

00:49:11.160 do definitely agree that that's like the inception point of the ruination of their own project

00:49:15.800 when people are allowed to spread uh counter ideas which is why every leftist regime becomes

00:49:20.600 heavily censorious it's evidently and let's be honest youtube and x or twitter um are the dominant

00:49:30.040 platforms like kind of absolutely the political so it's not like elon just bought gab or something

00:49:36.280 yeah yeah and it's the biggest one that's why they hate him so much uh the last russian put

00:49:41.640 makes a good point though musk couldn't build here failing infrastructure brain drain

00:49:45.560 expensive energy expensive property endless legal impediments and an activist leftist judiciary

00:49:51.000 ruling class that actively hates him yeah and what what i think um that uh business secretary uh what

00:49:56.760 one of the things that they've avoided by not inviting elon musk is the giant embarrassment

00:50:01.080 of elon musk pointing all of this out the tax is too high you know you've got too few skills why is

00:50:06.280 everything so expensive why would i want to do this here you know what what possible actual incentive do i

00:50:11.720 have to invest in britain and the labor party would be like well none and we're not going to change it

00:50:17.160 so you built a spaceport in cornwall yeah i mean don't go wrong i want a cornish spaceport

00:50:23.240 oh yeah oh god i'm not yeah i'm not saying dismantle the cornish spaceport it's just

00:50:29.640 it's it there's no incentive for him to do it but maybe if taxes were lower and just immigration was

00:50:34.600 lower and targeted to specific skill sets maybe then all of these things would be different but the labor

00:50:40.280 party will change nothing anyway let's let's go on to the next because this ah this just

00:50:47.000 it's infuriating so the question is why is the right in britain working with hope not hate now

00:50:53.560 hope not hate if you're not aware is a communist organization they have members of the the the

00:50:59.400 organization who are literally members of the communist party of britain all they do is avow left-wing

00:51:05.000 politics all day every day everyone knows it i'm not even going to try and prove it because it's such

00:51:09.960 an established fact so why oh why are the uh the far right parties in britain working with them

00:51:18.440 now i'm obviously not talking about the conservative party because obviously they're a leftist party

00:51:22.760 um i'm talking about reform and the uh brexit party and ukip why have these parties historically

00:51:30.680 worked with hope not hate now we're going to get into it very briefly but if you want to support us

00:51:35.320 because of course we've been demonetized here so keep the lights on uh you can go and check out

00:51:39.720 thomas and talks connor's latest show talking about how to bring down a government now this

00:51:43.880 is actually really important because connor is going through as he says conducts an anatomy on uh

00:51:49.400 anatomy and probably a dissection on exactly how the conservative party the bank of england and the

00:51:55.720 office for budget responsibility and the mainstream media brought down liz trust's government and this

00:52:00.920 is just because you see this all the time liz trust destroyed the economy no she didn't the bank of

00:52:06.040 england sabotaged her prime ministership and this connor's going through this in in very great depth

00:52:12.040 definitely worth your time so hope not hey how do they feel about richard tyson reform well they've been

00:52:18.920 quite vocal about it for quite a long time they're cranks and bigots and that's about the nicest thing they

00:52:24.120 have to say about them right so that's hope not hate on tice that's hope not tice and reform right

00:52:30.840 so they they say in this that uh it was revealed that reform had to the reform candidates had to pay a

00:52:36.520 50 pound vetting fee did you have to pay that no essentially wasn't vetted well apparently they asked

00:52:43.560 me a couple of questions yeah which i was completely honest and that was it yeah do you think that we

00:52:48.280 should have illegal immigrants in the country like we've got our manifesto and you're like no 1.00

00:52:52.120 no right get out because that's literally what happened yeah um anyway so uh they they they give

00:52:59.000 a few examples of people who are uh not properly vetted using this 50 pound vetting fee uh padmini

00:53:04.760 nisanga who's a reform uk candidate for kent county council um she was previously elected as a ukip

00:53:11.080 councillor and best known for quote extreme social media posts calling for remainers to be executed

00:53:16.800 steady on that's a bit far that's further than that's more than anything i ever said

00:53:21.920 yeah way further than anything yeah i never called for violence in any way shape or form

00:53:26.400 no obviously no one should be executed even if they're a remainer um she was calling for migrant 1.00

00:53:31.360 boats to quote be destroyed in the english channel described enoch powell as quote a great man and uh

00:53:37.440 says quotes all of our political traitors must hang on the streets um and wanted remainers to also be 0.74

00:53:43.760 deported to saudi arabia um fair enough maybe a bit of vetting wouldn't have gone amiss with her now i'm not

00:53:50.560 saying that uh heart's not in the right place but a bit strong um i don't agree with her but i'll

00:53:56.880 fight for her right to say it yes i am the embodiment of voltaire at this point um so uh they they had

00:54:03.920 lots of other candidates who just posted things on social media right now most of it is not nearly as

00:54:09.440 extreme as uh miss uh nissanga's there mrs mardin actually no um uh there was another chap called

00:54:16.800 andrew peterson who described uh the police as quote stasi scum i i agree with that why wouldn't i agree

00:54:23.760 with that that's true in a few instances in a certain sense they're worse than the stasi yeah i mean 0.83

00:54:29.360 certainly the met i would describe as stasi scum i mean maybe they're like local gloucestershire police 0.96

00:54:34.640 not so much things like the woman praying in her head near an abortion yeah that's did the stasi 0.98

00:54:40.320 ever do things as bad as as ridiculous as that yeah as absurd as that i don't know i probably did

00:54:45.520 actually fall in love with the police well when they thought they had power when they gained control

00:54:51.280 and they also discovered candidates who quote claimed to have been born on the serious star system

00:54:57.280 and had a nazi vampire tribute act tribute act implies that there were nazi vampires

00:55:03.120 that sounds like clearly comical yeah satire stuff and an array of anti-semitic anti-muslim and

00:55:10.640 otherwise bigoted candidates right i always sorry real quick to say about the nazi vampire

00:55:15.760 tribute thing like you know there's the thing uh the film and i think a stage play of the producers

00:55:22.400 where you take the mickey out of nazis like it seems that even that isn't allowed even if you're

00:55:30.000 taking the mickey yeah out of national socialism the fact that you're talking about national

00:55:34.560 socialism in any way that that's beyond the pale about hope not hate we're like oh yeah mel brooks is 0.69

00:55:39.920 the most virulent racist right yeah yeah um mel brooks is a nazi yeah yeah so anyway um richard tice had 0.63

00:55:48.400 to of course respond to this and be like look don't post on social media after having a pint 0.91

00:55:51.920 uh but did that mollify hope no hey no of course no the dangerous people prop up richard tice and

00:55:59.440 nigel farage's brexit party is a bit of an old one but you can see there's been a general theme

00:56:03.840 they've never given them any slack they never will i mean like this we've found racism islamophobia and

00:56:11.280 anti-semitism of plenty along with dodgy homemade videos and extraterrestrial origin stories okay this is

00:56:16.320 going on for a while i'm actually more curious about 2019 so like ukip the brexit party and reform

00:56:22.320 have all in the eyes of hope not hate have always been an enemy yes always of course yes

00:56:28.080 ideologically so their standard as they say here they're displaying extreme islamophobia and racism

00:56:33.280 uh it's it's just i mean i'm surprised they've not got homophobia and misogyny in that it's it's just

00:56:38.560 the wokest left-wing standard applied to the political environment and anyone who is not a woke leftist

00:56:45.600 is a far-right nazi which is why sweller braveman was in there jacob riesmog was in there all of the

00:56:51.760 conservative leadership are in there and of course reform and nigel farage and everyone who is in the

00:56:56.560 reform party a bunch of us leo aaa anyone anyone literally everyone on the right everyone who's not

00:57:04.640 a wokest or susceptible to wokism is on there so in in response to the continued hate hope not hate

00:57:11.440 campaign against richard tice uh they they deselected a hundred general election candidates

00:57:17.440 it's like okay because of quote offensive and racist comments so what so what if hope not hate

00:57:24.560 think this i don't care that hope i think some of them were very very very minor indiscretions

00:57:29.680 yeah i mean i mean saying the police are a starzy the poor woman that was standing in uh swindon north

00:57:35.600 i think all she really did was sort of like a tommy post or something yeah it's very so it was

00:57:40.080 very very it was almost nothing at all basically nothing yeah and yet she gets deselected because 0.91

00:57:45.520 reform are very very sensitive let's hope not hate named her by name yeah and that was it that's all it

00:57:50.960 took oh sorry you gotta go why the communists have said so uh and so you know then tice was like okay

00:57:56.160 well i mean one of the reasons we put our candidate list out so early ahead of many of the other parties

00:58:01.040 is that we're so open to the scrutiny of various organizations and media and in a sense that's a

00:58:07.040 good thing they're helping us with the vetting process they also came out and said well we also

00:58:11.040 spent 100k on a vetting agency that didn't do its job uh and then apparently nigel's going to sue them 0.96

00:58:17.520 but who knows where that's going to go nothing's probably going to come of it but that's not really

00:58:21.200 the important part for this the important part for this is like why are you letting them peck you into

00:58:25.440 line yeah yeah exactly by them and the thing is it's not like hope not hate aren't bragging on

00:58:30.720 social media completely bragging again this is oh you spent 100 grand vetting oh well you didn't

00:58:36.720 did you oh you're you're a far-right party you are not fit for power so well of course they think that

00:58:42.640 of course they think that you know they they're literally evil communists who want to ruin everything

00:58:48.400 about our country and so they spend all the time gloating richard tice is having a nightmare it's like

00:58:53.120 sorry why are we why don't you just have these guys blocked like you don't have to listen to them

00:58:58.480 you don't have to care what they think and again it just continues on and then it got to gwayne

00:59:03.920 towler being deselected now gwayne towler was described as the last great amateur in british

00:59:08.400 politics uh he got fired from reform after two decades spinning for its previous iterations ukip

00:59:14.080 and brexit party as a spectator tell us uh towler is a long-standing veteran of the eurosceptic

00:59:19.200 movement it is a family of face to anyone who's attended one of nigel frage's colorful press

00:59:22.880 conferences over the years and yeah gwayne towler was a stal stalwart in ukip brexit party and reform

00:59:30.480 and so even he is just like right okay under the bus uh but who's replaced him well uh the person

00:59:38.320 who's replaced him uh has said naughty things that hope nor hate do not approve of um this uh ed sumner

00:59:46.640 has replaced gwayne tallow's the party's head of communications as part of their professionalization

00:59:50.880 drive now as far as i'm aware there's no allegation that gwayne towler has said something normal on

00:59:55.520 social media so why has this been done when you say normal you mean sort of like well i mean let's

01:00:03.280 yeah well ed sumner um was complaining about a firework display he says this firework display is

01:00:08.400 all about immigration diversity and gays all about what we have in common trying to force immigration 0.99

01:00:12.960 and multiculturalism upon us he posted in a whatsapp group sorry what sorry saying that's that's a good

01:00:18.320 thing or that's the bad no that's the controversial thing that he said all right yes they they are

01:00:22.480 absolutely trying to impose multiculturalism and immigration on us and diversity and lgbt that's

01:00:29.840 obviously all true there's nothing wrong with that it's not a controversial statement oh i see and

01:00:34.160 the leftists are calling him out for derrington yeah politics home are like yeah you're you're the

01:00:38.480 controversial person but gwayne gwayne as far as i'm aware hasn't said anything like that but um he got

01:00:42.800 deselected he got fired from his position anyway uh don't know what the deal with that is but once

01:00:49.120 he when he was kicked out he was just like yeah look don't leave reform there's so much to do it's

01:00:52.800 like man you can't buy that kind of loyalty like gwayne hasn't turned his back on any of this and yet

01:00:59.200 they're still acting in a very strange way but one thing gwayne did do is kind of spill the beans on how

01:01:05.520 hope not hate are involved behind the scenes now this is very interesting to me because he's having an

01:01:12.480 argument with steve law's a notable um online racist sorry steve but it is true um and uh he

01:01:22.320 well it's true

01:01:26.000 so anyway gwayne uh tweets that the reform party is rising which it is uh 21 not bad to be honest

01:01:32.800 with you should be doing better in my opinion but um labour and conservatives have sunk to 27

01:01:38.080 percent and steve law's replies you worked with hope not hate you're a traitor now you might be

01:01:43.520 like why would gwayne towler from ukip work with him mate well he says and this is a very strange

01:01:49.520 admission from gwayne quote in 2020 in about 2010 one of the staff would run names past hope not hate

01:01:57.520 staff member ukip was riddled with former national front and bmp fanatics we didn't want racist then or

01:02:03.280 now so yes we did and it was effective it's just strange thing to just come out question was it

01:02:11.680 supposed to be neutral was what hope not hate yes no obviously what it's not and it wasn't but in the

01:02:19.040 mind of gwayne towler it would hard be hard to believe that they would search like back then or

01:02:24.240 something but anyway it's not that's besides the point um yeah just either do your own vetting yeah

01:02:29.680 or don't do any vetting don't rely on the commies yeah why would you rely on why would you what

01:02:37.280 get a right winger to do it like why would you like you could get some sort of you know conservative

01:02:42.080 advisor who you know you'd be like look we want to just pay to get like normal mainstream right-wing 0.57

01:02:47.680 people make sure they're not like you know fringe national front bmp fanatics whatever whatever you're

01:02:54.080 looking for why pay a communist or a true yeah just get a truly independent body why are you going

01:03:00.400 with yeah why don't pay someone like gwayne himself to do it question so yeah did did he get uh played

01:03:08.160 over by hope not hate so he no he doesn't seem to have done okay okay okay so now haven't they been

01:03:14.720 gone against him gwayne towler no no i don't think they've gone against him but this was a very strange

01:03:19.520 admission that oh in 2010 ukip was in contact with hope not hate and giving them your names and

01:03:25.680 details and they were checking the the social media history of ukip's candidates like right okay

01:03:34.480 that didn't happen under jared batten why do you want to owe a favor to a communist

01:03:40.160 why are you paying them i'm assuming they didn't do this for free you know they paid another company

01:03:44.800 a hundred grand uh that did not do the job and of course this uh ethos seems to have carried on

01:03:50.400 with richard tyson reform because of course they've basically done the same thing with hope not hate

01:03:54.880 and reform so it's very very peculiar and i have real trouble understanding why we are being told any

01:04:01.840 of this really i mean like gwayne complete party loyalist to farage's cause coming and saying this

01:04:09.920 it's like oh yeah actually we've been working with the communists for decades almost you'd be like

01:04:15.520 why for 15 years why why would you make that public why would you admit to that in public is it like

01:04:23.280 that's just going to cause major headaches for reform and for us going down the line right because

01:04:28.160 everyone else on the right will see that and go oh why is yet another right-wing party working with

01:04:35.760 the communists because of course the conservatives are just as culpable for all of this so what it's

01:04:40.560 quite good that sleep sorry just a quick thing here the conservatives funded hope not hate

01:04:46.000 just in case anyone's wondering between 2020 and 2020 who i think it was the conservative government

01:04:51.040 gave them hundreds of thousands of pounds yeah so they didn't have to there was nothing forcing

01:04:56.240 the conservative government to give hope not hate money my money your money your money but they did

01:05:04.080 anyway so okay fine they're not a right-wing party they're a communist party because they're prepared

01:05:08.960 to pay communists and do what the communists want and ukip and reform are basically in that same boat

01:05:15.760 why would this is an omission they paid hope not hate i like that uh that steve laws

01:05:23.040 the great steve laws uh didn't let him off the hook yeah he's been a real attack dog on this and again

01:05:28.160 there are people like well steve laws a racist yeah probably but why are you working with communists you

01:05:32.960 know you don't have to agree with steve laws to be like why are you working with communists

01:05:38.160 actually you know let's let's assume that yeah we we agree that everything you say about

01:05:42.720 say about steve laws is bad and we'll never talk to him again we'll never look at him

01:05:46.720 we won't even say his name but why are you working with communists it's hard to think that back in 2010

01:05:52.400 there weren't capable people anyone capable of conducting research i mean it's literally just googling

01:05:58.640 someone's name and looking on social media it's not that hard like yeah i like the stuff i got

01:06:04.720 deselected for it was totally out there yeah yeah it was you're a public media person out there publishes

01:06:11.440 things every week yeah it wasn't hidden yeah not remotely i want you to explain me why have they

01:06:19.280 the prestige they have no because you know intelligence services isn't it okay because

01:06:25.360 when i saw what they did uh when they accused us and they also had an article where they accused um

01:06:34.320 connor harry and myself in a segment i did i just wanted to see you know what's the issue with them

01:06:40.560 and i haven't been there i haven't been at all impressed they don't seem to know anything about it and for

01:06:47.040 instance i saw they have one who is a communist a proud communist yeah yeah goes out and says it

01:06:53.680 well they're a small communist non-profit whose sole mandate is to write uh hit pieces about right

01:07:00.320 wingers for being insufficiently leftist and then feed them up yes but it's all entirely self-obsessed

01:07:06.240 nonsense yes he just said he was a fascist he was with fascists and at some point they were particularly

01:07:12.080 unpleasant maybe they hit some people in a library and he's felt really bad and said no i'm an

01:07:17.520 anti-fascist and he's a as if communists have never perpetrated any crime just it makes no sense

01:07:25.680 let's assume that hope no hate aren't going to commit crimes but politically and morally they want

01:07:31.600 communism i want the opposite of that i want a traditionalist britain that exists authentically as

01:07:37.760 britain with the british people going into the future like i inherited from my parents and

01:07:42.960 grandparents i want my children to inherit the same thing hope no hate want to level all of that

01:07:46.960 get rid of it turn it into a modern social contract nation that's pluralistic and diverse and not for 1.00

01:07:52.240 any particular people or anything like that okay so we don't want the same things in fact that what

01:07:55.760 they want is antithetical to what i want and therefore they are evil from my perspective and you'd think

01:08:01.040 from ukip's perspective again you don't have to be in the steve law's position you don't have to be a

01:08:06.240 part of the national front of the bmp the average conservative voter thinks hope not hate is evil

01:08:12.800 because they are they want they want to destroy what the conservatives are purportedly here to

01:08:17.520 conserve and yet every time a right-wing party is oh we're busy busy funneling money to the communists

01:08:24.800 who spend and then literally to pay them all day every day to call us nazis it's like sorry why

01:08:31.360 what are you doing again you don't have to agree with steve law's you don't have to be in his

01:08:35.360 position you can say yeah i don't want to be like that you're fine that's fine but why are we with

01:08:40.560 the communists then yeah so it's odd to see from gwayne towler that that they did that and that he

01:08:46.800 seems to be happy about it yes we did it was effective yeah we did again sort of a thing

01:08:51.280 effectively yeah um and yeah he's proud of it and it's like okay connor did a good breakdown of hope not

01:08:57.600 hate and various other there are other organizations very very similar to hope not hate quite a few of them

01:09:02.000 um and how they're in league essentially and openly with uh all sorts of wings of the establishment

01:09:10.320 the labor party the intelligence services was it i don't want to name names if i get it wrong but was

01:09:14.400 it louise mensch that was i can't remember i don't i don't want to get it wrong but um yeah obviously

01:09:20.000 working hand in hand with other shadowy organizations um so it's not just nick lowles

01:09:27.120 no it's a whole on his own sitting in sitting in great portland street twiddling his mustache with

01:09:33.200 one man band there's much much more to it than that isn't it it's a whole network and so what i'm

01:09:38.240 what i'm baffled about is the fact that gwayne would just come out and say this right because this

01:09:42.560 this wasn't information that i had access to prior and i've been in ukip you know i've i didn't even

01:09:49.360 know this and yet he's just tweeted this out and you think okay that's going to cause problems

01:09:53.520 someone i've seen nearly 200 000 people have seen this and uh it caused in fact the former general

01:09:59.040 manager of reform to come out and say well that's not what we did uh he is he says uh reform didn't

01:10:05.920 exist in 2010 of course and tice was not political at the time i became a senior ukip official in 2013

01:10:10.880 and i can categorically affirm that there was never any engagement with hope not hate since then via

01:10:15.440 farage's ukip uh brexit party or reform so it's like right i mean who am i believing here you know

01:10:23.200 or is it just a blip that in 2010 they just happened to pay hope not hate and they were

01:10:26.800 like oh yeah no i'm not gonna do that again but then come reform richard tice is like yeah we're

01:10:30.800 just gonna do whatever hope not hate says obviously so i mean maybe i like i said i don't have the

01:10:35.120 answers i do not know yeah we won't have staffers running back and forth we won't give you money but

01:10:38.960 we will just still do what you want yeah okay that's even worse we'll just still bow to your pressure

01:10:44.480 though yeah but there's there's some interconnection between what i quote unquote the far-right party

01:10:51.040 quoting from hope not hate there and hope not hate themselves and there's obviously been contact

01:10:55.600 money uh and like advice i don't know how you'd term it but why why why would any party on the right

01:11:03.120 not do i mean you should just have a policy hope not hate and communist parties will be prescribed

01:11:09.920 like communist like there was an advert on the london underground the other day are you a communist

01:11:14.320 join the revolutionary communist party of britain how is that possible how is it possible that an

01:11:19.040 openly revolutionary party can recruit in the united kingdom like you've got revolutionary in

01:11:25.120 the name that should be a prescribed term no you're not allowed to engage in a revolution

01:11:31.440 actually weirdly no no but you you can actually you can advertise on the tube for revolutionaries

01:11:36.400 well it was one of the things i had in my roadmap that the mallard very very briefly

01:11:40.880 digitally published uh which which hope not hate outed me for and got me deselected was that was one of

01:11:46.960 the things i said that yeah the communist party socialist workers party all these openly

01:11:51.360 revolutionary parties want to destroy the state should be prescribed yeah it's and it doesn't even

01:11:56.800 sound it's a no-brainer it doesn't sound radical does it i mean if you are protecting a social order

01:12:03.040 yes you want to prescribe those who want to disrupt to destroy it which is why nazi parties are prescribed

01:12:09.920 in this country and that's why she's fine that's why one of the reasons that the kamala harris campaign 1.00

01:12:16.240 is trying to demon to using the trump is a threat to our democracy yeah rhetoric and some people say

01:12:24.480 everyone understands that when you are defending a society you have to be against those who want to

01:12:30.720 destroy it yeah right yeah just 101 yeah right some people will say that what i just said there that

01:12:36.320 like various parties should be prescribed that that's very authoritarian no it's no not at all

01:12:41.280 no it's not really at all the revolutionary communist party is openly and obviously anti-democracy

01:12:46.640 that's why it's a revolutionary party yeah i mean what what are we even talking about it's

01:12:50.720 like when you hip throw someone in self-defense and saying oh you're being very violent no no i was

01:12:54.400 defending myself yeah no yeah and i don't remember i agree that we shouldn't have nazi parties and we

01:12:59.360 shouldn't have revolutionary communist parties like yeah but i'm an old seems reasonable

01:13:05.680 but like i said i don't have any um any particular conclusion to come to on this particular segment

01:13:10.640 actually i'm afraid uh because frankly this is all quite mystifying to me um i don't know why

01:13:16.320 they're working with them i don't i mean i suppose it's to just make sure they don't become racist or

01:13:20.480 something but uh you would think that you could do that without engaging the services communists so i

01:13:25.120 thought this was worth bringing to your attention you should probably know that there is a connection

01:13:30.240 here where there obviously should be no connection um with that let's uh let's just read some comments

01:13:35.760 quickly um so uh that's a random name uh says this is like a space marine chapter having chaos cultists

01:13:42.240 run background checks on their recruits like no no exactly like that's exactly what it is it's like

01:13:48.640 sorry why are you engaging with them you know it's it's just bonkers and that's a random name says uh 0.95

01:13:55.920 in this election we must choose between space colonization or gay race communism not much of a choice 0.99

01:14:00.800 well yeah but the thing is apparently it's about 50 50 at the moment so it's all up and go yeah it's touch

01:14:05.520 and go um but uh anyway let's go to the video comments

01:14:12.240 what western civilization has inculcated in its populations

01:14:15.920 is the idea of nobility's obligé that wealth strength intelligence and nobility obligates those

01:14:25.440 most blessed with these characteristics to raise up those who are lacking them the rest of the world

01:14:31.920 with few exceptions operates under the nobles ni obligé pas or nobility does not obligate the strong

01:14:40.400 best-armed rule and the rest exist only at the pleasure of the strong and now why do communists

01:14:46.720 avoid bathing so the deaf can hate them too 1.00

01:14:53.120 i really have much to add oh yeah it's a fair point the rest of the world if if anything it's the

01:14:57.440 other way isn't it it's the because you're noble everyone else has obligations to you it's like oh really

01:15:03.920 no there's a good comment i was caught entirely off guard well it wasn't russian russian yeah yeah

01:15:10.960 so we got the wrong name there sorry okay okay it's the hey guys i just had an idea for your usa

01:15:19.360 election night or nights coverage you should probably do a live calling show i think that'd be really

01:15:27.440 really cool to do you can even make it a live video call-in show also dan i sent you some contact

01:15:34.400 details for some pretty good people you should look into for another brokonomics episode i think they'll be

01:15:39.520 really helpful man i mean that's a good idea but the um the american election stream is going to be

01:15:46.400 pretty packed yeah uh we've got a lot lined up packed isn't it i know we're gonna have lots of uh

01:15:52.880 guests and zoom calls from notables so uh i don't think we're going to be able to fit it in but um

01:15:58.720 it will be good though trust me uh let's go to the next one the shire was full of simple white folk 1.00

01:16:04.080 not a row for hundreds and hundreds of miles stories of far off trees and homes were told to

01:16:09.760 scare the children of course this is russia close to these parts in a thousand years usury was a thing 0.99

01:16:15.440 of myth all right let's let's go to the next one russian nothing this spicy thank you

01:16:27.040 right good i probably shouldn't have got to see the dragnet to be quite honest yeah we should have

01:16:32.720 been more um careful with that uh maximum toast says speaking as american carrying loaded guns around

01:16:38.560 is not a big deal 95 of the time on the news it sounds like a huge red flag well again going to a trump

01:16:43.600 rally well yeah that's the thing yeah so i think in california or in loads of states in america you

01:16:49.200 are that's not illegal right yeah yeah there are loads or every different state's got different

01:16:54.400 things but don't take them to a trump rally and try and get inside the cordon with them yeah probably

01:17:00.560 so someone's just sent a glee sent a super chat saying the tories paying hope not hate is akin to

01:17:05.760 them giving the school bully your lunch money in advance just for them to still give you a wedgie yes

01:17:09.680 exactly i'm sorry i didn't mean to break still wedgie you anyway yeah exactly it's like yeah

01:17:15.120 why are you giving them money in advance uh garlic goblin says he was an artist the last person who

01:17:20.240 could hurt anyone where's an artist ever done anything wrong yeah um uh lord pridwin says good

01:17:27.200 work to the police officer i don't know u.s law but the fake mismatched id documents alone is enough to

01:17:31.120 get detained in most open-sized sales where uh yeah i mean i i don't think he did anything wrong at

01:17:36.000 all it just seems to have done exactly the right thing um andrew says fake ids multiple

01:17:41.040 guns etc are all okay but the messy car life imprisonment and solitary confinement arizona

01:17:45.760 desert rat says fake place fake licenses fake passport and guns in the car yeah that's not sus

01:17:49.760 yeah it is totally sus and again i just don't think that and if this was the first time that someone

01:17:57.280 had acted in a suspicious way towards trump okay maybe he's being overreactive but it's the third

01:18:02.480 potential attempt i also think there has been more in the year do you remember one time i think it was

01:18:08.160 but i think it was during his presidency of running up to 2016 where someone was in a rally and they

01:18:13.760 had a pistol and they were taken out by force yeah oh yeah yeah yeah and i would have thought i'd put

01:18:19.920 money on this that there's loads of others that we just never hear about because i think that's the

01:18:25.520 case with with any main policy i bet biden and kamala have had crackpots things happen that we

01:18:33.440 just never hear about um i saw somewhere years ago that the average president even someone like jimmy

01:18:38.320 carter there's like 20 odd plots uncovered against him well so you know so things in that ballpark i'm

01:18:42.880 making those numbers up but it's just if you're president or you're coming close to run for president

01:18:47.200 there will be things that happen i forgot about that 2016 guy leaping over the barrier

01:18:53.280 secret service grabbed him yeah he had a gun did he yeah i think so i think so yeah so this would be

01:18:58.720 the fourth attempt were an actual attempt umar says the only way labor would allow elon to expand

01:19:04.160 into britain is if he promised to use pensioners as rocket fuel good point um i mean maybe he should 0.99

01:19:10.800 no uh alex says uh i believe the artemis mission for landing on the moon is scheduled for 2026 using

01:19:15.520 the spacex starship oh i did a segment on it not too long ago i might be wrong i know that artemis

01:19:20.800 they've already done artemis 1 artemis 2 i think is later this year and i thought artemis 3 was

01:19:26.320 next year but i could well be wrong this person whoever said that could well be right uh but yeah

01:19:31.760 the overall point is not too long away yeah i mean andrew's got a great point here elon's last week

01:19:37.760 was actually spectacular right it was a really good so day one trump rally day four unveiling autonomous

01:19:43.440 future day seven catching it's a 70 meter tall booster with a tower that's like that's a hell

01:19:49.040 of a week yeah like and the labor got the labor government like yeah he's he's really gonna make

01:19:53.440 us look all he's all gonna look bad that's legitimately better than tony stark yeah right

01:19:58.720 that's actually it was amazing that's outperforming the real tony stark right

01:20:03.760 again and what i like about muskler is he seems quite personable

01:20:07.360 i i think i'd probably get on if i was having a game dabbler with him you know what i mean

01:20:10.640 yeah he seems just a regular dude no i'd love to just have a chat with him it'd be great yeah

01:20:15.520 i would have thought apache sideburn says bow trying to simp his way off the world

01:20:20.720 what's that trying to simp your way off the world oh right oh yeah well yeah he says well he says i

01:20:29.120 respect the attempt crazy to finally see some form of human advancement in interstellar travel next step

01:20:33.920 the imperium well that's the thing isn't it like nothing's happened for decades

01:20:39.200 decades yeah and suddenly elon's like yeah so i'm gonna make something happen and the democrats

01:20:43.040 like not on our watch sorry do i have to be oh yeah i mean what if we need to we need to expand

01:20:48.960 our colonies in space yeah i don't know i've seen leftists being like no that's imperialism

01:20:53.680 it's against who against the rocks yeah but like we need to preserve it as it is for who like for

01:20:59.920 whose benefit like the universe's own benefit earth is going to be jealous yeah no i'm i'm

01:21:06.000 totally totally in favor of choose her i'm totally in favor of elon setting up martian colonies i think

01:21:11.280 it's cool it's evil imperialism against the regolith of the moon yeah the poor oppressed regolith

01:21:19.760 i i don't particularly want to go to these places but i mean i guess if it got like normified so it's like

01:21:25.440 oh it's very you know it's a five hour space flight or something there's a you know big commercial

01:21:30.560 space thing and there's a long history of you know successful flights and stuff like that okay

01:21:35.520 fine i'll probably go on circumstances like that but i don't really want to be the first guy to try it

01:21:40.240 i like the idea that in the future because sitting on the moon now if you believe we went in the first

01:21:44.000 place which i do of course uh sitting on the moon now is still a couple of buggies or even three buggies

01:21:49.120 and um all sorts of the experiments that the first Apollo missions did it's all just still sitting in now

01:21:53.360 the um and because there's no atmosphere there's still a new Armstrong's boot print in the dust

01:21:59.280 and everything i think in the future there'll be a dome built over that and it'll be a museum piece

01:22:03.120 yeah yeah like in Futurama right yeah yeah they do that in Futurama don't they and i think in the

01:22:07.440 future you'll be able to just get um like some sort of space taxi to the moon yeah and go and visit

01:22:12.880 literally Futurama yeah yeah i mean it's probably true it probably will be i think yeah it's gonna have a

01:22:17.280 dome like the simpsons yeah yeah the dome thing yeah unironically but um but no that's good i mean

01:22:23.200 you know why not uh lancelot says elon is bringing back excitement for the future of mankind while

01:22:28.640 politicians want to hobble him for their own immediate and fleeting interest like gulliver tied

01:22:32.960 down by lesser men yeah it really is and this is why i brought the great man of history thing it's like

01:22:38.800 it's obvious that he is in the archetype of one whether he succeeds or not of course i think one of the main

01:22:45.680 points i didn't actually make during my segment was but i wanted to say or stress was um that the

01:22:51.120 democrats here even if they're only californian ones are holding back civilization they're not just

01:22:57.280 they're not just thwarting elon and spacex to be petty they are of course doing that but also

01:23:02.560 they're holding back human progress yeah the civilization of man yeah but they're

01:23:07.360 retarding deliberately but that's literally the byline of socialism right it is holding back 1.00

01:23:12.480 human progress i mean that's literally what they're for yeah i mean literally they're like

01:23:16.800 yeah no so we've established everything we want to establish now we need to redistribute it it's like

01:23:20.400 look can't we just build more um eric says hey guys i used to be an engineer for blue origin

01:23:26.240 each of their rocket engines on the bottom of these boosters has what looks called vector

01:23:29.600 thrust vectoring the capability actually moves the engine with respect to the capsule to adjust the

01:23:34.080 vector of the thrust uh this is what gives the rocket the capability to adjust its trajectory

01:23:39.120 that any kind of side thrusters look you could have just really saved me the time you said magic

01:23:44.160 i would have i i don't know i'm not a scientist but that is amazing don't get me wrong but as far

01:23:48.960 as i'm concerned it's all just magic i'm pretty sure they also has the starship also has very small

01:23:55.360 uh thruster things not thrusters very small things towards the top that sort of spur up

01:24:01.600 just to keep it just on stabilizing yeah yeah but yeah it's mainly as he says the vector of the

01:24:07.200 engine itself underneath keeping it perfect yes it is almost like magic yeah as far as i'm concerned

01:24:12.080 it's just magic uh arizona desert rat says nasa had many failures before finally reaching the moon

01:24:16.320 these failures are not discussed in history classes but they're extremely important um yeah i mean

01:24:22.080 apollo one three guys burnt burnt to a cinder on the pad yeah that's a horrible story yeah yeah yeah

01:24:29.760 again this is why i don't want to be the first yeah i i'm happy to be the five millionth person step on

01:24:35.680 mars when they've set up a mcdonald's and uh you know there's stuff there to do so i mean there's

01:24:41.440 nothing there so i you know i know you disagree but like wait till they've got a bowling alley and

01:24:45.520 yeah yeah and a laser quest what else am i doing a bar yeah fair okay it's basically a desert it's

01:24:52.560 full of rocks and dust yeah it's probably going to be quiet let's get some reading done yeah

01:24:57.440 apart from the howling wind i have you know like i just i just don't have any particular drive to be

01:25:04.160 like okay i'm on this rock like you know 500 million miles away how far it is i'm like okay

01:25:12.240 now what you know choose life but yeah but i don't know i just feel like oh god it's gonna be a long

01:25:19.040 journey home it must take a month to get there it's gonna take me months back god i could have

01:25:25.520 just stayed at home and that was the destination after all all along for me so i just like the idea

01:25:33.920 being counted in uh alongside the likes of magellan or drake or armstrong or something

01:25:39.840 but then but then that is narcissism that is vanity and i'm not going to deny it well i said

01:25:47.920 this the day they at least knew that there was going to be something out there you know okay we

01:25:51.600 arrive on an island yeah well at least there's plants and animals you know and other civilizations

01:25:56.240 it turns out you know there's nothing on mars well i do still think that when we get there and

01:26:01.840 humans do lots and lots of experiments we might find may well find microbial life or the evidence of

01:26:06.480 ancient microbial life or or the alien or in uh the the caves in the subterranean parts of mars actual

01:26:13.440 things martian bats or martian mollusks or something i may well be out of the radiation i love that we're

01:26:20.000 going there to find microbial life ancient microbial yeah even yeah yeah yeah microbial life has died

01:26:26.000 billions of years ago yeah brilliant brilliant you know i i'll let the robots do that the mars rover

01:26:31.600 can do that for me i'm gonna go have a bath okay a nice hot bath maybe i might have a cigar afterwards

01:26:38.560 you know maybe maybe some rum or something i don't know but i i'm not i'm not going all the way to mars

01:26:43.120 i'm i'm too much of a homebody just quote put that on my tombstone i'm not going to mars i like being

01:26:49.120 at home um colin says hope not hate finding a candidate problematic should be taken as an indication of

01:26:54.880 good a good candidate uh well certainly in the case of bo and dad i would have thought so like

01:27:00.640 but again i mean don't get me wrong the woman who's like yeah we need to execute the remainers 1.00

01:27:04.240 okay she's a bit far but to be fair if that's all over a social media feed you probably should

01:27:08.480 have been able to see that yourself there was there was a vast range i was actually somewhere in the

01:27:12.880 middle and that woman you mentioned it was when she is a bit beyond the power even for me i think you 0.88

01:27:18.320 can't obviously can't say that really then there's me it's pretty hard line but i also explicitly said

01:27:24.160 let's do it non-violent that's that i want it to be bloodless and nobody to be disgraced and then

01:27:29.760 there's there were people that hardly did anything really like that woman that kind of i think she 1.00

01:27:34.560 replied to to tommy once yeah she'd like to post all that uh it's like basically didn't do it

01:27:38.880 didn't do anything wrong she didn't do anything wrong i mean look at the uh the politics home

01:27:43.040 article where they're like oh this guy said this firework display was all about immigration diversity

01:27:48.160 and gays and they're trying to force multiculturalism on us that's that's not 1.00

01:27:51.840 controversial that's literally the government policy yeah right like you know it's exactly

01:27:58.080 what the running major trust want isn't it yeah it's literally like there's yeah there's actually

01:28:02.800 nothing controversial about that statement michael says oh look we've come back to this hope not

01:28:07.360 hate kowtowing and political cowardice that goes with it reform need to take of their own uh take a

01:28:13.040 dose of their own grow set and understand these people are not your friends they will not be 0.98

01:28:18.080 your friends and never see you as your side is correct anything correct stop being filthy weak 0.93

01:28:22.800 cowards and step up and take these people on better yet sue them take them to court for defamation and 0.94

01:28:27.920 slander these people need to face some very serious lawsuits and drive them into bankruptcy well they 0.80

01:28:31.840 probably get paid bailed out by the government so it's probably not possible to bankrupt them

01:28:36.400 of course i don't see republicans in the us taking on slimy groups at the southern poverty law center

01:28:40.080 either so for some reason we're completely henpecked by a bunch of leftists and the conservatives pay for it

01:28:46.800 apparently you're performing ukip were at least compliant with it if they weren't paying for it

01:28:51.120 but it's entirely possible you kept paid hope not hate to do this or someone working for a night

01:28:55.280 he is the cps the crown prosecution service probably wouldn't let it happen then if they did hope not

01:29:01.280 hate could probably afford to have all the best like a team of high-paid lawyers and then you may

01:29:05.680 get a magistrate that is on their side anyway yeah it would be quite difficult i imagine yeah i

01:29:12.320 wouldn't even bother trying it's not gonna work um but let the court of public opinion decide yeah

01:29:18.080 yeah that's the only option we've got really um but anyway with that we are out of time so thank

01:29:23.440 you everyone for joining us uh we will be back uh same time tomorrow and uh so have a great day

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 14, 2024

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1021

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