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00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the podcast of the low seaters episode 1051 for wednesday the 27th

00:00:14.040 of november 2024 i'm your host connor joined by harry and beau right gents and today we're

00:00:18.660 going to be discussing keir starmer's terrorist clients the hot new thing you can do for the

00:00:21.720 nhs and how trump's transition team is shaping up so we're going to go from bad to hopefully

00:00:27.800 some good news that'd be nice to end on and then obviously we'll get to your comments but before

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00:00:35.300 do at three o'clock because it's a wednesday i'll be back live it's my show tomlinson talks and i'll

00:00:39.560 be going over how the uk is descending into a soviet state not just looking at the policies

00:00:43.360 from the recent budget the liquidation of the kulaks and keir starmer's colorful communist past but also

00:00:48.680 comparing it to various parts of soviet history which should be quite interesting i hope fingers

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00:01:32.920 further ado so i did this segment a while ago and this was about sadiq khan's career history

00:01:39.320 of voluntarily representing a lot of terrorists because this is something that lee anderson got

00:01:44.780 in trouble with this is his pretext for being kicked out the conservative party and defecting to

00:01:48.400 reform and being reform's first mp before the general election he said that sadiq khan had given

00:01:53.480 over london to his islamist mates and it turns out he's got a lot of islamist mates because i went over

00:01:57.520 in this very popular segment fortunately lots of people now know about his career that he represented

00:02:01.840 nation of islam leader louis farrakhan who called white people devils and jews termites and hitler a

00:02:06.120 very great man uh consulting for the defense of zacharias muassi the only man convicted in the u.s for

00:02:11.300 9-11 and attending a conference for the release of terror suspects in guantanamo bay

00:02:15.180 organized by yasser al-siri who fled to britain after killing a 12-year-old girl in a car bomb in

00:02:20.740 1994 and was convicted in 2005 for planning the 1993 world trade senate bombing and just for good

00:02:26.380 measure as well he called muslims uncle toms on iranian state tv in 2005 now it turns out he's not

00:02:32.380 the only labor politician with a penchant for defending terrorists turns out keir starmer has a

00:02:38.400 lot of terrorist clients in his time as a human rights lawyer and i was set on to some basically his

00:02:43.520 career well yeah i was going to say i was set on to some of this because of this segment actually

00:02:46.740 from last week harry which turned out to be a sleeper hit it's up to about 350 000 views now

00:02:51.020 turns out keir starmer is such an unpopular man that people are digging through his history and

00:02:55.740 thinking what could have produced such a demented ideological socialist npc um turns out you went

00:03:02.780 through a lot of his legal cases well it was all compiled for a section of a trilogy of articles that

00:03:08.420 the times put together at the end of july or the end of june or the end of july so either right before

00:03:14.660 or right after the election and it was presented in a very neutral tone but reading through it was

00:03:21.360 quite remarkable how telling it was because up to his time as um dpp he his entire career was making

00:03:29.900 sure that murderers child murderers in particular in the caribbean did not face the noose and that

00:03:35.400 terrorists not only were not deported from this country but also were able to walk around freely

00:03:41.140 without control orders placed on them yes quite and i'm gonna go and he wrote the uh the human

00:03:45.180 rights textbook for britain literally he wrote the book on how to interpret the human rights act

00:03:49.640 that other lawyers use now yes and so i'm going to go through some of those cases where he thwarted

00:03:54.000 the deportations of terrorists and represented them in detail as kind of a sequel segment to this

00:03:58.520 because i just want to build a body of evidence that says all of the politicians currently in charge of

00:04:03.940 london and the uk more broadly are obsessed with defending foreign criminals and the worst kind of 1.00

00:04:09.820 islamic terrorists just in case you had any delusion they were still on your side anyway so here's one of 1.00

00:04:15.260 those articles in the the time series and i'm sourcing some of my stuff from there and some of my stuff

00:04:18.980 from my own research so starts with the september 11 mass terrorist attacks by al-qaeda on new york

00:04:24.980 obviously uh 9-11 and washington 2001 created a public emergency in britain but as labor home secretaries

00:04:31.100 wrestled with how to protect the public from the growing jihadi threat keir starmer by then one of

00:04:35.580 britain's leading human rights lawyers became a regular fixture in the law court seeking to persuade

00:04:40.080 judges to relax or free restrictions on terror suspects in february 2007 his doughty street chambers

00:04:46.180 made a public statement noting starmer's third high court victory in a row against the home secretary

00:04:50.840 john reid's control orders a form of house arrest that curtailed the movement and activities of

00:04:55.260 terrorist suspects lawyers point out that starmer and this is the neutral framing that you mentioned

00:04:59.420 was obliged to accept cases under the cab rank rule so the cab rank rule is basically the

00:05:04.280 hippocratic oath for barristers it ensures that even the worst kinds of criminals have legal

00:05:08.360 representation the idea is that if you're a cabbie and you're waiting at the rank you have to pull up

00:05:13.260 and accept the next feasible fare that someone asks you to do so if you're a barrister you've got no cases

00:05:19.060 you have to sit in the line and if someone gives you a case and you're not otherwise occupied you have

00:05:23.980 to take it very charitable interpretation one senior white horse source told the times that if starmer

00:05:30.380 was in a cab rank it was parked outside finsbury park mosque well this this is the point that i made

00:05:36.720 last week which was that keir starmer luckily happily always seemed to have space open in his diary to

00:05:43.160 take these cases when they came across his desk and similarly he became known as the guy to go to

00:05:49.160 if you were a terrorist suspect looking to get the best defense possible so i described him as

00:05:55.580 basically being like better call saul but for terrorist suspects yeah quite i wonder if his

00:06:00.760 membership of something called the haldane society he was the the secretary cited in their socialist

00:06:05.360 magazine is the haldane society of socialist lawyers right up until the time where he was the

00:06:10.000 director of the crown prosecution service and chief prosecutor has anything to do with his attempt to

00:06:14.640 subvert the natural moral order in britain and and again it's what it's worth bearing in mind that

00:06:19.300 leading up to the election keir starmer had been presented as a very safe blairite centrist of the

00:06:25.580 labor party if anything he was presented as to the right of the labor party within the party itself

00:06:30.900 and uh obviously he isn't clearly he is an insane radical radical even for the labor party radical

00:06:37.900 compared to blair radical compared to many people in that party but he was able to cultivate

00:06:43.180 that public image of himself through his time as director of public prosecutions and in 2008 which

00:06:49.800 is the year he took that post he was being introduced to other members of the labor party

00:06:54.760 uh by um i forget i forget his name um ed milliband i think it was where he was already telling members

00:07:01.180 of the labor party he's probably going to start a career in politics once he's done in this post

00:07:04.600 so it seems very clear and deliberate from what i can tell that he knew that he was a radical he knew

00:07:09.740 he had a bad public image and so he used his time as dpp to clean up that image for his career in

00:07:15.860 politics have you seen the clip of him sitting down with uh khan yes on on eid and they're just right

00:07:23.280 and they're just both agreeing that islamophobia must be tackled at every possible opportunity and

00:07:27.920 that they will have no truck with it in any stripe and uh does it on and on and on uh yeah it gives you

00:07:34.840 the measure of the man i mean it's obviously they talk about that they won't tolerate any hate of

00:07:40.540 any type but that's just not true is it it depends if there's hate against british people he doesn't

00:07:46.640 seem to care about that does he no he actively accelerates it by importing foreign fifth columnists 1.00

00:07:51.100 who seem to be at license to commit crimes against the native population but if you complain about on

00:07:55.620 social media you're a far-right racist and you'll go to prison for inciting racial hatred for two or

00:08:01.060 more years so who exactly did starmer defend let's let's go down the list of characters like those on

00:08:06.140 the right so starmer gave his services free of charge to a coalition of 14 organizations including

00:08:10.820 amnesty international liberty anti-torture group redress and the law society in a test case about

00:08:16.480 torture in the mid-2000s the u.s was taking terror suspects to foreign countries like guantanamo bay

00:08:21.360 for interrogation a practice known as extraordinary rendition extraordinary rendition the coalition

00:08:27.540 represented by starmer intervened in the case on principle asking judges to tie the hands of then

00:08:31.720 home secretary charles clark and his successors starmer won the case in the house of lords then

00:08:36.500 the highest court in the land before the 2010 constitutional reform act which decided that the

00:08:40.640 torture evidence was inadmissible in british courts a triumphant starmer hailed it as the leading

00:08:44.560 judgment in the world on torture the guardian ran the headline torture ruling leaves terror policy

00:08:48.800 in chaos since the government would now have to show that evidence used in cases where foreign terror

00:08:52.820 suspects were being held had not been obtained under torture right so that's the most charitable

00:08:57.320 reading right he accepted pro bono work to prevent the unjust torture of terror suspects who may or

00:09:03.820 may not have been guilty because he's just concerned about the government overreach of power never mind

00:09:08.680 the fact that he's currently overreaching in power by censoring and locking up all his critics but let's

00:09:12.400 say 20 odd years ago he did it in the best spirit of the law well in february this year starmer's office

00:09:19.660 claimed credit for the labor leader having overseen the deportation of countless terrorists when he was

00:09:23.840 director of public prosecutions from 2008 to 2013 but before that era terrorism suspects facing

00:09:28.780 deportation were among his clients a suspect known as why kept anonymous exposed by the times as a close

00:09:34.080 associate of abu hamza who ran the finsbury park mosque in london who had made copies and recipes for

00:09:40.260 explosives and toxins why was cleared at the old bailey of an alleged al-qaeda ricin plot

00:09:45.040 sounds familiar the pub but to the public but was ordered to be deported as a danger to british

00:09:51.940 security in his native algeria he was under a death sentence for organizing an armed group

00:09:56.160 i wonder why starmer didn't want him to be deported starmer operating under the cab rank rule plausible

00:10:01.560 deniability successfully argued in the court of appeal that deportation should be reconsidered to

00:10:05.900 ensure why was eligible for amnesty under a peace process to end algeria's civil war otherwise a return

00:10:11.380 to his home country might breach his human rights so he tried to poison the british public 0.94

00:10:14.860 and starmer decided he shouldn't be extradited to his country of origin to face the death penalty there

00:10:19.760 because of his human rights well again keir starmer fought pro bono again uh to abolish the death penalty

00:10:27.200 in the caribbean as well and he managed to do so in jamaica which now has the highest murder rate in the

00:10:32.680 entire world the case that got it abolished was one in which he was representing alongside two other lawyers

00:10:38.460 uh four people who'd been condemned to death row one of whom had murdered his own nine-month-old

00:10:44.060 uh baby yeah he did that in other african countries as well as i'll be mentioning in my show later but

00:10:49.180 he seems to have an obsession with just letting murderers and terrorists get away with it

00:10:53.380 what struck me there was the guy that before he even came here and had anything to do with racing

00:10:57.400 was what an armed militant in algeria he'd done something to earn the death penalty there

00:11:03.260 all right which of course immediately gets him keir starmer's sympathy weird that there are more

00:11:08.240 so this isn't just the isolated case when britain joined the american-led invasion of iraq under

00:11:12.380 tony blair starmer acted for britain suspected of trying to join the jihad against coalition forces

00:11:16.780 so he defended people who tried to leave this country to go and fight on behalf of islamic

00:11:23.060 militant forces against their own countrymen very good starmer's trio of successive victories all

00:11:27.400 instructed under the cab rank rule of course how convenient began when he challenged the first

00:11:31.600 control order imposed on a britain a kuwait-born student from sheffield who kept trying to board planes

00:11:36.860 the middle east with items such as knuckle dusters and a lock knife in his luggage mi5 feared he was

00:11:41.600 going to fight against coalition soldiers in iraq starmer persuaded a high court judge to declare

00:11:45.800 that the secrecy of the system which denied suspects access to evidence against them was

00:11:50.000 incompatible with the right to a fair hearing under the european convention on human rights

00:11:53.880 that old chestnut that stops us deporting everyone six asylum seekers suspected by mi5 of supporting

00:11:59.220 jihad in iraq were placed under control orders imposing 18-hour curfews and forbidding unauthorized

00:12:04.160 social contact starmer successfully challenged the restrictions as too strict under the convention

00:12:08.820 right to liberty the campaign group liberty hailed this as an example of freedoms being protected by

00:12:14.060 the human rights act which incorporates the echr into british law so starmer is now responsible for

00:12:18.340 case law which stops us from monitoring and deporting illegal migrants do you want to know something else

00:12:24.600 fun about that do you know who liberty are uh the ngo the yeah yes they were formerly known as the nccl

00:12:32.680 which were the ones that worked with pi in the 70s and 80s ah and makes sense then that he would

00:12:37.660 then make harriet harman the sort of mother of the house and one of the seniors of the labor party 0.95

00:12:41.300 infamous for working with pi if you're not familiar uh pi stands for the pedophile information exchange

00:12:47.100 they're the equivalent of nambler for britain i cannot comment on that anymore i'll leave you to

00:12:52.920 your own conclusions uh so so there's also another one mi5 assessed that a london-based suspect known

00:12:57.740 as e i'm glad that we get to hide all the names of known potential terrorists was an accomplice to

00:13:02.680 the bloody prelude to september 11 the assassination of the afghan anti-taliban leader ahmad sah masood on

00:13:08.280 the orders of bin laden one of the killers had been harbored in london by e at a trial a trial in

00:13:12.160 belgium was told starmer successfully argued in the high court that reed should have reviewed the

00:13:16.700 possibility of putting e on trial in britain once the home office received documents from the belgian

00:13:21.260 courts the judge quashed the control order because the home secretary had failed to consider the

00:13:24.800 alternative route of prosecuting the suspect one of starmer's early terrorism cases was representing

00:13:29.300 the al-qaeda terrorists known as khalid al-fawaz who was fighting his extradition from britain to

00:13:34.380 the u.s in 2000 for conspiring with osama bin laden to bomb american embassies starmer also represented

00:13:39.240 fawaz under the cab rank rule of course starmer was instructed by shayna's public interest lawyers

00:13:44.520 to seek the freedom of hilal al-jeda an iraqi living in britain who returned to his homeland

00:13:49.160 and was interned by british by the british on suspicion of plotting atrocities against coalition

00:13:53.680 fighters starmer also defended another iraqi suspect known as a h in the high court just a

00:13:58.400 consistent pattern here wonder why a h had transported muktar said ibrahim good british name

00:14:04.500 who had become ringleader of the failed july 21st london suicide bomb gang for a flight to pakistan for

00:14:10.060 what british intelligence assessed was a terrorism related purpose only the failure of the bombs to

00:14:14.560 detonate on july 21st 2005 saved londoners from a repeat of the carnage two weeks earlier when 52

00:14:20.440 innocents were killed on the transport system ibrahim tried to blow himself up on a bus in hackney

00:14:24.660 reed as home secretary banished a h into internal exile with a control order forcing him to stay in 1.00

00:14:31.100 norwich with a 14-hour curfew starmer represented a h as he fought against his control order on human

00:14:35.920 rights grounds including article 3 which guarantees freedom from torture or and inhuman or degrading

00:14:40.620 treatment mr justice mitting disagreed saying on the facts it is not remotely arguable that article

00:14:44.740 3 is engaged or breached the judge upheld the home office's restrictions as starmer as you mentioned

00:14:49.300 before was too much of a radical for successive even tony blair home secretaries and fought to allow

00:14:56.520 prisoners suspected of terrorism credibly um complete license to just roam the streets until they were

00:15:03.000 convicted after already being involved in numerous bomb plots well another one of the interesting things

00:15:08.080 about these set of articles is in the first one they have a quote from keir starmer when he was talking

00:15:12.680 about this was in reference to trying to abolish the death penalty in lots of different places but i think

00:15:17.460 it's indicative of his overall mentality which was that he wanted to find a way to systematically

00:15:23.320 change the process of law for an entire class of people which means criminals and so his entire career

00:15:31.360 and now he's in the perfect position to do so even more uh was to essentially guarantee fair treatment

00:15:39.200 for criminals which means having them on your streets making sure that their punishment is as lax as

00:15:44.980 possible and i've got to say as well i'd like to know how the times journalists were able to get all

00:15:51.140 of these cases that he handled because i don't know how to do that because i would love to go through

00:15:55.960 all of his old cases and see what other horrors are in there because these are just the ones

00:16:00.040 that times have picked out these journalists and have been gone through the editorial process

00:16:04.400 i know that there is probably guaranteed some even worse stuff in there lots of them are publicly

00:16:10.760 available i am sure that some of them have been sealed for public interest reasons i wonder if as

00:16:18.420 people continue to comb through or as certain restrictions are lifted over time if they go beyond

00:16:25.460 sort of the the number of years where you can't report on them as often happens um if people are

00:16:31.680 going to find some some real horrors in there i i wouldn't be shocked another real horror was that

00:16:37.160 uh of course a former government counter-extremism official said of these people placed under these

00:16:43.220 orders uh they were some seriously dangerous people um those include organization called his but to hear

00:16:48.940 now his but to hear if you guys remember was prescribed earlier this year as a terrorist

00:16:55.240 organization for their agitations on the streets of london in the aftermath of ox over the seventh

00:17:00.580 in israel they're very pro hamas group this reads and this was done under james cleverly the most

00:17:07.200 improperly named man in britain the organization his but to hear has been prescribed as a terrorist

00:17:11.540 organization today on the 19th of january after parliament approved a draft order laid on monday the 15th

00:17:16.160 of january this makes belonging to his but to hear or inviting support for the group a criminal

00:17:20.880 offense with a potential prison sentence of 14 years which can be handed down alongside or in place

00:17:26.060 of a fine now that's not retroactive of course and kirstarmer would be pretty worried if it was

00:17:32.860 because uh it turns out he was their lawyer now if you're wondering the sort of thing that his but

00:17:37.920 have done over the years have any of you read the surecross review of prevent it's uh long and

00:17:43.580 laborious but it's where we got the information that for example only 22 of prevent referrals in

00:17:49.040 2020 to 2021 were for islamic extremism despite in islamic extremism being 80 of counterterrorism's

00:17:55.700 open cases so for some reason prevent were just overlooking islamic terrorists like ali harby ali

00:18:02.200 which we mentioned before who killed sir david amos in 2021 who was meant to have consecutive follow-up

00:18:07.260 meetings with prevent but they dropped his case and then he went on to stab an mp for reasons of

00:18:12.060 foreign policy voting records in islamic countries let's just put the emphasis on that by the way

00:18:16.400 the the man who murdered david amos had spoken to prevent they'd arranged meetings with him and he

00:18:23.280 just didn't show up so they dropped the case that's how prevent works i wouldn't be surprised if that

00:18:29.500 has happened for other cases as well that we still have yet to know about it seems to be standard

00:18:33.400 operating procedure there yeah well it's like if you've got a therapy session and you don't show up

00:18:38.580 and the therapist destroys i guess you're all right then you probably get more follow-up from

00:18:43.280 a therapist an nhs therapist quite an interesting thing about his but to hear is i remember right

00:18:51.140 after 9 11 or during the next year when we were had invaded afghanistan and we're gearing up to invade

00:18:57.920 iraq so still in the blair years they talked about his but to hear they had a big following massive

00:19:03.600 following in manchester one of my good friends went to manchester uni said used to see him on the

00:19:07.480 streets all the time anyway they were i have a memory definite memory rolling around in my head

00:19:16.540 that blair was going to if not had already banned them i guess he just didn't in the end just at

00:19:21.780 some point was thwarted or decided not to again during the cameron years when theresa may was

00:19:26.860 home secretary pretty sure i've got a memory of them talking about it all in parliament she's saying

00:19:31.860 we're going to ban this we're going to prescribe them i think i it's crazy because memories can lie

00:19:37.440 to you but i distinctly remember being told that they were banned back then when theresa may obviously

00:19:42.700 not they weren't banned and it's only now like at the beginning of this year that they finally did it

00:19:47.520 there's part of the reason they weren't banned as william shorecross notes in here in 2008 his but

00:19:52.720 here published a report framing the prevent strategy as an attempt by the state to quote gain control over

00:19:58.020 the muslim community in britain to bring about a quote reformation of islam and to quote ban islamic

00:20:02.780 ideas all which sound great to me these lines of argument have set the tone for much of the

00:20:07.740 campaign against prevent ever since so his but to here has been responsible through outside lobbying

00:20:12.200 efforts and as stephen edgington revealed recently this year um at least in some way influencing the

00:20:18.320 700 strong muslim activist network working in the home office for polluting prevent to myopically 1.00

00:20:23.500 focus on far-right extremism which includes reading c.s lewis and watching michael portillo's great

00:20:28.940 western railway journeys that was actually on a list of monitor texts while completely neglecting

00:20:33.340 islamic extremists who then went on to kill mps now you know that his but here weren't banned all that 0.82

00:20:39.020 time i wonder who was working on their behalf yeah keir starmer was his but here's pro bono lawyer

00:20:47.840 back in 2008 because what happened was the conservators while in opposition in 2007

00:20:53.460 had put forward a motion to ban this group and keir starmer who was then director of public

00:20:58.260 prosecutions in 2008 took it upon himself to submit an application to the again european court of human

00:21:03.400 rights in june on his but to here's behalf because he said and i quote it is very important that everyone

00:21:09.360 is represented let's listen as of last year to who keir starmer thought it was important was

00:21:15.600 represented volume warning ladies and gentlemen

00:21:17.360 muslim armies rise up for jihad right excellent keir starmer thought that was very important to 0.94

00:21:38.320 continue to be represented in there's something even better about that as well which is i learned

00:21:42.920 about him defending these people uh from the henry jackson society report that was released last

00:21:49.200 year or the year before looking into all of this they point out that because of the fact that it was

00:21:54.120 a prescription from germany that he was trying to defend them against the cab rules didn't need to

00:22:00.220 apply actually because you can there's an exemption for foreign cases you don't actually have to do them

00:22:05.900 under cab rules but he chose to do it anyway maybe that explains why he was always able to have a

00:22:10.980 little bit of space free for these people whenever it pops up in his diary bear in mind these people

00:22:15.960 are sanctioned in saudi germany china but also a bunch of other countries i wrote them down uh pakistan

00:22:25.140 bangladesh egypt turkey kazakhstan kyrgyzstan but not britain until this year thanks to keir starmer

00:22:31.620 um i actually documented the the history of prevent and raiku in a new piece on ian hersi ali's website

00:22:38.460 it's about 8 000 words you can go over there and it's got a lot of sources but the reason i mention

00:22:42.700 raiku prevent in the home office is because something else has happened under keir starmer's

00:22:46.300 premiership and this is the last one i'll end on raiku the research information and communications

00:22:50.940 unit in the home office the same body which centrally planned don't look back in anger and buses imams

00:22:55.760 out to the site of terror attacks to gaslight the grieving families into not having hatred for any race

00:23:01.380 or religion after some islamist has just blown up their children um they put out a report this week

00:23:06.800 saying and i quote the grooming gangs are a grievance narrative run by right-wing extremists

00:23:11.800 this is what the home office are doing under keir starmer's jurisdiction jess phillips as well

00:23:16.860 friend of the lotus eaters matthew ryecroft head of the civil service this is what they're doing with

00:23:20.640 your money they are telling you that the well-documented prosecuted rape of thousands of

00:23:25.640 girls up and down britain by islamists is a grievance narrative more of these included in this paper

00:23:32.520 uh were that the extreme right-wing views included cultural nationalism with the main belief being

00:23:38.860 that western culture is under threat from mass immigration and it said right-wing extremist

00:23:42.660 narratives particularly around immigration policing are in some cases leaking into mainstream debates

00:23:47.180 claims of two-tier policing for example where groups are allegedly treated differently after similar

00:23:52.220 behavior is a recent example so what like the now prime minister former director of public prosecutions

00:23:57.320 taking pro bono cases for a bunch of islamist terrorists while locking up any of his critics would that

00:24:02.520 two-tier policing by any chance turns out the labor government have run screaming from this because

00:24:07.600 even they realizes it looks really bad a labor source have sold gb news this was a great work of stephen

00:24:13.020 edgington as per usual many of the points raikou makes are completely wrong and don't reflect the

00:24:16.860 views of the government in particular child sexual abuse and grooming are immensely serious crimes which

00:24:20.640 devastate the lives of victims and should always be discussed in the most serious terms and treated the

00:24:24.560 most serious way which is why we're planning to strengthen the law to go more after more of those who carry out

00:24:28.380 this appalling abuse blah blah blah you're still going to keep importing them point being 0.57

00:24:32.260 gents uh keir starmer has made a career history of appeasing and representing islamists just like 0.98

00:24:38.280 sadi khan uh so why is he going to break the habit of a lifetime it's just uh remarkable isn't it that

00:24:43.920 attitude of someone like james o'brien or someone like keir starmer it's james o'brien's a good friend

00:24:50.440 of mine it's uh where at every possible juncture you choose the path or the opinion which is most

00:24:59.240 destructive to british people and british society at every possible juncture under your own volition

00:25:06.720 apparently you choose the most subversive and disgusting thing and that's our prime minister

00:25:15.100 and i still won't accept any criticism from people say well you said zero seats for the tories so this

00:25:21.660 is what you get no i don't accept that argument we're never going to get rid of both labor and

00:25:27.840 tories this is what this is the price we have to pay for the tories being so terrible and inept for

00:25:32.860 the last 14 years that we were doomed to something someone like starmer yeah i'm sorry i don't want to

00:25:39.460 diminish our influence but as well if you think that a few people saying zero seats on twitter and online

00:25:45.840 had more of an effect than 14 cumulative years of tory failure then you're an idiot

00:25:51.940 quite and we only have one rumble rant so far and it's addressed to both of us uh the

00:25:59.340 hab-sification love comics corner guys thank you very much when are you guys going to do a part

00:26:04.680 three of berserk uh so two things on that one we filmed the comics corner that just went out

00:26:09.080 quite some time ago it's just due to editing pressures and backstage stuff that didn't come

00:26:13.560 out for a few months we're not sure when we're filming the next one yet we have some ideas harry

00:26:17.860 has all the berserk volumes so i'm reliant on him how much have we got left slash how much do you

00:26:22.460 actually have well i mean the series isn't done yet so uh that's kind of indefinite uh as to when

00:26:28.720 we'll be able to finish covering it it'll be whenever the series is finished especially now that

00:26:33.220 muir is dead um rest rest in peace to him um i need to read through the it's literally called

00:26:39.540 this bow so don't raise your brow too high the millennium of the falcon arc and then i can start

00:26:45.040 loaning them to you and when we've got that one read we'll probably cover that at some point but

00:26:50.600 i don't know exactly when that'll be so i can't give you a definitive date there will be comics corners

00:26:54.820 between now and then though uh we're maybe thinking of covering should we should we say or

00:26:58.920 i i hate watchmen so we might do watchmen yeah we might do watchmen because that'll be interesting

00:27:05.140 anyway i hope that's answered a few questions for you now i've got a question for you both

00:27:10.300 do you love the nhs and if the answer is yes which it better be how much do you love the nhs i i love

00:27:19.360 the nhs so much that i would stick my head in a plastic bag and save air for all of the brave nurses

00:27:25.460 that we've imported in the last years so that they can work in the nhs so you'd be willing to die

00:27:30.480 for the nhs like a true patriot jeremy hunt once told me that the nhs is the only thing that britain's

00:27:35.980 got to be proud of well i won't go that far but happily if you're willing to die for the nhs as a

00:27:43.500 form of sacrifice then i've got great news for you you soon might be able to do that because in the

00:27:50.320 uk we've got a bill passing through parliament at the moment which is the assisted dying bill known

00:27:57.260 as the terminally ill adults end of life bill which is so far only set to be uh allow people who are at

00:28:06.360 the end of their life within the last six months guaranteed terminally ill to end their life with

00:28:13.160 assisted dying but if the example that we've seen from canada with their similarly socialized

00:28:19.480 healthcare system has shown us anything is that these programs are inevitably and almost immediately

00:28:25.620 expanded far past their original remit and then used as more than anything a cost-saving measure i

00:28:31.720 have a quick question remember when we were under house arrest like four years ago yeah wasn't that

00:28:38.620 two years i think that was yeah well wasn't that to to save the nhs from all the old people dying 1.00

00:28:43.820 yeah so now we're paying the nhs to kill all the old people to save the nhs yeah all right no 1.00

00:28:50.860 contradictions connor um the fact of the matter is uh which is that this will be used eventually if it

00:28:57.620 passes which it looks like it might as a cost-saving measure for the nhs also as an excuse to not actually

00:29:05.080 improve the health services that the nhs already provides which are woeful which are terrible which

00:29:09.980 are already possibly the most expensive thing in the world that's a bit of hyperbole but if you go

00:29:15.520 on the other channel that we've got now lotus eaters daily if you could subscribe to it and watch the

00:29:19.400 videos on it you won't you will not be disappointed because we've got some great stuff carl just quickly

00:29:24.200 went through 10 minutes how much the nhs costs because it costs a lot did you know that it costs about

00:29:30.380 round about little over in fact uh the projected budget for next year 500 million pounds per day

00:29:36.600 yeah so that that entire farm tax raid that's going to completely desolate our food security

00:29:41.960 won't even fund the nhs for a single day at the most optimistic projections of the revenue it's going

00:29:47.300 to take it well it might it might the optimistic that i've seen is about 520 million pounds per year

00:29:53.000 raised through the inheritance tax so we destroy the british farming agricultural industry for the sake of

00:29:59.100 a day's worth of funding the nhs and we might get an extra rainbow cross walkout but 0.76

00:30:03.460 probably not probably not let's be honest here so that's how much the nhs costs so this bill and i

00:30:11.800 understand that there is a an ethical question to be answered about assisted dying whether somebody

00:30:17.940 is terminally ill has dementia is genuinely suffering in many different ways psychologically

00:30:23.220 physically etc etc but i've got a question for you do you trust keir starmer's government to

00:30:31.540 appropriately and sensitively manage such a system where they legalize the nhs assisting you in dying

00:30:40.120 basically they legalize the nhs killing you which it already does to enough not just that who's going

00:30:46.020 to be carrying out the assisted dying is it going to be all of the aforementioned nhs doctors and

00:30:51.220 nurses that were imported here in the last few years the priti patel is so proud of despite the 1.00

00:30:56.320 numbers being fairly infinitesimal who are getting done for qualifications fraud recently um and many

00:31:02.060 of those you know care workers on the similar visas working in nursing homes who can't speak english and

00:31:07.340 have led to elderly people in care homes falling downstairs and dying from their injuries because

00:31:12.960 they don't know the difference between breathing and bleeding do we trust those people to carry that

00:31:17.720 out too or is that sacrilegious against the nhs well hopefully it'll be painless so it's again it

00:31:22.560 wouldn't be someone from um i know that's not really what you're saying but it wouldn't be someone from

00:31:25.680 the starmer government that makes it it would be some nhs middle management person well probably not

00:31:30.000 even a doctor looking at spreadsheets saying well these number of people meet this criterion let's just

00:31:34.840 put them on the terminally ill end of life list free up beds free up it'll be some middle manager

00:31:41.460 person it will turn into a bureaucratic system in the bill as it stands right now there are safeguards

00:31:46.760 against such a thing so let's let's read through some of what they announce on the government

00:31:50.480 website and the commons library a funny note at first uh it has a trigger warning at the top of

00:31:56.080 the document here warning this briefing discusses issues around suicide which some readers may find

00:32:01.380 distressing and if you do find that distressing the nhs has a fantastic solution coming very soon

00:32:07.700 um but so what it says the bill was put forward it was a private members bill from

00:32:13.820 labor mp kim ledbeater who is i think the sister of joe cox infamously murdered in 2016

00:32:21.240 um she presented the terminally ill adults bill to parliament having been drawn highest in the private

00:32:26.940 members bill ballot for the 2024 to 25 season the bill's long title states it would allow adults who

00:32:33.720 are terminally ill subject to safeguards and protections to request and be provided with

00:32:37.580 assistance to end their own life the bill's second reading is scheduled for friday the 29th

00:32:42.240 of november so this friday in a letter to ministers the cabinet secretary simon case confirmed that the

00:32:48.280 prime minister has decided to set aside collective responsibility on the merits of the bill and that

00:32:53.380 the government would therefore remain neutral on the passage of the bill and on the matter of

00:32:58.200 assisted dying despite the fact that keir starmer himself has said he made a promise to what's

00:33:04.220 name arrester ranson ranson yes curiously who worked at the bbc for all those years but didn't blow the

00:33:09.720 whistle on jimmy savile well none of them did very very moral human being i want to just quickly

00:33:14.300 explain if i may yes of course i've had questions from friends about this this vote is not subject to

00:33:20.120 party whipping so basically the party can't instruct its members how to vote otherwise they're expelled

00:33:25.320 this happened during the withdrawal of the winter fuel allowance from pensioners a bunch of labor

00:33:30.120 mps didn't vote for it and were suspended from the party and are no longer labor mps it's just

00:33:33.880 independence this is a free vote and this usually happens on matters of what we were when used to

00:33:38.480 have an annual vote to reinstate the death penalty it got decommissioned because it never passed

00:33:43.360 despite the majority of the country wanting it back votes on abortion and now this so any vote which

00:33:48.560 basically pertains to the sanctity of life usually is a free vote so each mp can vote according to their

00:33:53.880 own conscience rather than be whipped into shape from a party directive one thing i would say is

00:34:00.060 i think i think esther ranson had an adult daughter who got cancer and died so she might have known

00:34:05.240 something about it because i mean the point is is that if it isn't uh subverted and perverted just to

00:34:12.800 kill people unnecessarily if it's just purely the ethical question i'm for it i don't want to i don't want

00:34:21.940 to spend my last few months draining away in a hospital bed um i've seen that firsthand and it's

00:34:30.380 a terrible terrible thing i would much rather put a bullet in my brain or let a doctor inject me 0.71

00:34:34.700 rather than go through that 100 so uh yeah i don't agree with the idea that some some religious people

00:34:42.320 say life is sacred and you could never ever take it away i don't agree with that i think it's a it's a

00:34:47.120 it's a nightmarish thing to watch someone ebb away in pain is a nightmarish thing so in those terms

00:34:54.920 i'll be for it but we all know that as you say it won't be that will it it's like the thing is i'm

00:35:00.640 not i think there should be a case when you can have an abortion if it's a rape for example or if

00:35:05.300 you know the child is going to be in terrible pain and die very very within hours of being born or

00:35:09.360 whatever yeah maybe maybe abort that baby yeah if it's a rape or something but it should be hardly 1.00

00:35:13.920 ever right hardly ever like tiny tiny number of cases ever but we just know that's not how it's

00:35:19.620 gonna it's just not how it's gonna go is it like canada they're just gonna they're just gonna to save

00:35:24.680 money and free up beds again the ethics are not what i'm questioning here i think that's a different

00:35:29.420 subject um on the subject of canada we've seen what happened over there they're looking at it as a

00:35:35.280 cost-saving measure and we have had reports from inside of the hospitals where some patients are

00:35:40.120 saying the doctors have been pressuring me into this because immediately the remit and those

00:35:44.640 safeguards that were meant to make it so that it was very similar to this bill were expanded

00:35:48.560 because all of a sudden you had ethical arguments being presented that well if we're allowing these

00:35:54.540 people to take this service why aren't we allowing this other subsection of people to take this service

00:36:00.540 and we'll see already later on as we go through this segment that people are already starting to

00:36:06.880 make those arguments even the next link i have but first i'll go through the safeguards as they're

00:36:11.440 presented here so first of all um under section two the law as it exists right now we have the suicide

00:36:17.740 act of 1961 and under section two of that it's illegal for a person to intentionally encourage or assist

00:36:24.340 the suicide of another person so this would remove that in these very strict cases the broad aim of

00:36:31.280 the terminally ill adults bill is to allow adults age 18 and over who have mental capacity are

00:36:36.920 terminally ill and are in the final six months of their life to request assistance from a doctor to

00:36:41.800 end their life the applicant must be a resident in either england or wales two doctors much each must

00:36:47.600 each assess the request at least seven days apart to ensure that the person meets the eligibility

00:36:54.140 criteria the eligibility criteria include that the person have a clear settled and informed wish to end

00:37:00.320 their own life and that they have reached this decision voluntarily without coercion or pressure

00:37:05.660 if both doctors state independently of one another that the eligibility criteria have been met the

00:37:11.040 person may apply to the high court for approval of that request so they need to get high court judge

00:37:15.700 to approve it as well if the high court decided that the applicant met the requirements of the bill

00:37:20.820 there would then be a 14 day reflection period after this time the applicant may make a second

00:37:26.820 declaration of request to assist for the assistance to end their life if the doctor continues to be

00:37:32.320 satisfied then a life-ending approved substance to be self-administered would be prescribed to be

00:37:40.100 self-administered is interesting there do they just give you a drug that you take and then you pass

00:37:46.380 away or would it be more something like what happens in uh switzerland i don't know a person who

00:37:51.340 provides assistance to another in accordance with the bill would not face any criminal liability and the

00:37:56.320 suicide act of 1961 would be amended accordingly so it does seem as the bill is set out right there

00:38:02.160 that there are safeguards in place but there are criticisms of those safeguards that are being made

00:38:08.100 already particularly regarding the involvement of a high court judge in the matter even if you get

00:38:13.560 two doctors involved and that will inevitably be knocked down to one just look at the gender issue 0.99

00:38:18.000 for example where annalise dodds now the women and equalities minister in the labor government tried to

00:38:22.440 knock down the agenda recognition certificate two doctors sign off down to just one those doctors

00:38:28.180 will be ideologically corrupted and as you said the the ineluctable logic of this bill once you

00:38:34.660 knock down the sanctity of life as an inviolable principle will be it's your consent to decide whether

00:38:40.860 or not you live or die this was the the argument the economists made in their front page splash so

00:38:45.900 if consent is the moral standard anything getting in the way of why you should consent whether or not

00:38:51.580 to live or die whether it's a physical or a mental health issue whether you're an adult or a child

00:38:55.940 and that has happened in the netherlands and the like whether it's one doctor or two the doctors

00:39:01.520 themselves will be on the side of well i should be liberal permissive about this because i can't get

00:39:07.580 in the way of someone freely choosing to exercise their consent whether or not to live or die so no

00:39:12.000 matter how many safeguards you put in place the logic and the people applying the logic and writing

00:39:16.480 the law are always going to push towards more permissiveness you're just going to end up killing

00:39:20.240 people shouldn't be killed but for instance this next article uh from the the conversation which

00:39:25.440 is from a legal expert that i don't know if they're named as part is up there oh is it is it named up

00:39:31.760 there on the right so down adam adam mccann associate professor of criminal law and criminal justice at

00:39:37.080 the university of reading he puts forward some of the criticisms of the bill and the safeguards that it

00:39:41.180 has right now but already very early on is saying that no no this isn't enough this this isn't enough

00:39:47.400 if it's six months before dying why can't you say well i've just been diagnosed with a terminal

00:39:52.900 illness that's going to kill me in a very horrible and painful way in five years time why can't i get

00:39:58.440 it done now he's already saying let's expand it but his main um criticisms that he has of this

00:40:03.620 are actually quite rational outside of his already wanting to expand it he says uh the rationale behind

00:40:09.940 of the 27 jurisdictions worldwide that have legalized some form of assistant dying not one

00:40:17.200 has opted for this approach of having a high court approval in place for it the rationale behind this

00:40:22.660 aspect of the bill is the doctors cannot be trusted on their own to assess the patient's capacity to

00:40:26.920 make this decision the court must do so however court approval is not considered necessary for other

00:40:31.900 end-of-life medical decisions for example patients have the right to refuse life-saving treatment such as

00:40:37.080 a ventilator or blood transfusion even if that refusal is irrational and will lead to their death

00:40:42.460 patient is assumed to have capacity and the doctor is trusted to assess this without any evidence of

00:40:48.040 coercion or pressure so there's there's a rational argument being made there which is this is a separate

00:40:53.320 set of standards for this thing which is essentially the same thing choosing to have assisted death is

00:40:58.860 very similar to choosing not to have your life saved if you need it so why don't you need the high

00:41:03.900 court judge there second problem with this in each case is the bureaucratic burden it would place on

00:41:09.020 patients some patients may end up seeking judicial approval earlier than they would have wished while

00:41:13.520 they're still strong enough to do so the other thing is that it might actually just swamp the high court

00:41:18.560 with applications so he puts it here to get a sense of what might happen considering consider the

00:41:24.500 two following places where assisted dying is legal in oregon in the u.s 0.6 percent of all deaths in

00:41:30.340 2022 involved the assisted suicide of a terminally ill patient in canada and this is a horrifying

00:41:36.680 statistic for the entire country 3.9 percent of deaths in 2022 were assisted dying cases involving

00:41:44.500 patients whose naturally deaths were quote reasonably foreseeable bit of a bit of a nebulous term yeah

00:41:53.000 floppy standard 44 percent that's a huge number then yeah and and all because it was reasonably

00:41:59.460 foreseeable which as you say very nebulous well they offered made to homeless veterans and a woman

00:42:05.160 who couldn't get a stair lift yeah so they're very rapid to they're very eager they're very eager

00:42:10.800 have you thought have you thought of just killing yourself it's okay says made we'll save tons on the

00:42:16.720 nationalized health care budget if you do so sorry i i could never imagine keir starmer who as we've

00:42:21.280 established over numerous segments now is a bastion of morality i mean he's a human rights lawyer for

00:42:25.980 god's sake his government would never do the same thing well except for his political opponents that

00:42:31.880 he then sends to prisons where like peter lynch they're likely to die well maybe maybe that's all

00:42:36.220 speculation uh but so for example he says if a similar proportion of assisted suicide cases had

00:42:40.760 occurred in england and wales in 22 22 that would have either resulted in 3 463 applications if it was

00:42:47.800 0.6 or 22 509 applications 3.9 of all deaths before the high court in that year alone so it

00:42:56.460 seems on a practical level this isn't doable so the bill seems to be i appreciate the safeguards

00:43:02.620 attempted to be put in place but it doesn't seem to be practical especially if you're talking about

00:43:06.980 people who are six months before the end of their life that sounds to me like it would just result in

00:43:12.060 stamp stamp stamp get them through oh god we've got 20 000 people applying for the stamp well the

00:43:18.080 safeguards as well by the people proposing the bill frankly as we said about the logic of the bill are

00:43:23.380 a token gesture to just get the people who are have more reservations about this like richard tice

00:43:29.460 to vote for it with the idea that oh don't worry there are safeguards in place it's up to snuff it's

00:43:34.440 all okay it's just going to be the people that meet the standard and actually need it the people

00:43:38.160 that want the bill through don't really care about the safeguards all that much because i think this

00:43:41.680 is right anyway well and the worrying thing about that is that it appears that if all of the people

00:43:46.940 who are backing it who form um i think a cross-party parliamentary group if they all attend this vote

00:43:54.040 on friday it will pass that's what it's looking like at the moment and let's cast our minds to the

00:44:00.520 future what will a britain in which state-sponsored assisted suicide look like well we've already got an

00:44:06.760 idea of that uh because we've got adverts for it already yeah these adverts were curious yeah i

00:44:12.820 noticed something about them they weren't nearly as diverse as other adverts i i've seen some that i

00:44:19.140 would disagree that there was there was one trap there's there's one i'm sure i saw at least one

00:44:25.500 other person in these adverts but yeah look at this look at this does this advert of this person look

00:44:31.320 like she's within six months of death and is in incredible pain or does it look like yay kill me

00:44:38.460 what's also curious is who was putting these billboards up it was global player now global

00:44:44.700 player run lbc yes they run the news agents they basically co-sponsor james o'brien and carol

00:44:51.040 vorderman's entire careers and james o'brien is definitely going to be in support of his listeners

00:44:56.080 are there any of them left the disconnect between this and what i have in mind exactly like i feel

00:45:05.160 like well it used to be the case years ago decades ago that it was illegal to attempt suicide if you

00:45:10.460 tried to kill yourself and failed the police would then come around and you might be prosecuted

00:45:15.100 wouldn't you be because you'd be committed to a mental institution and thrown in prison

00:45:18.360 well it would depend sometimes you'd get off and sometimes they would put you in at least

00:45:23.640 decided yeah you should have police decided yeah you should have actually you were right try again

00:45:29.540 but so there's there's one that end of the extreme where you feel that life is so sacred to the point

00:45:36.160 that even if you try to take it then you should the state needs to get involved with the punishment for

00:45:40.940 you the other end of the spectrum just kill yourself don't worry if you're even that ill or anything 0.75

00:45:46.820 yeah there you go whereas but for me i feel like um anyone should be able to kill themselves if you

00:45:53.280 really want to kill yourself right so for example it's incredibly nihilistic it's your life it's your

00:45:57.980 life it doesn't belong to the state it's your life so for example tony love you might matter

00:46:03.740 well so tony scott um got you know ridley scott's brother got diagnosed with cancer he was fine he

00:46:10.080 wasn't dying immediately but he got diagnosed with terminal cancer and he went straight to a bridge and

00:46:15.040 jumped off and killed himself that's how he chose to deal with it who's it's terrible for his family

00:46:20.880 and everything but who's that was his decision um i think like i will say i think that was a very bad

00:46:27.060 decision selfish uh there's a bit selfish there's a much better way of going about it but you are right

00:46:33.120 that there is a qualitative difference between him choosing to do that of his own volition and the

00:46:39.140 state sponsoring it right and there's certainly there's a difference in what that shows society

00:46:45.800 approves of and what that shows society is maybe encouraging you to do because the worst thing is

00:46:52.740 when there's someone they're essentially bedridden they're on morphine constantly and you've just got

00:46:58.300 to lay there for like six months three months for weeks and weeks and weeks until finally their heart

00:47:04.100 gives out like that is that is an unbelievable thing well there's nothing you can do about the

00:47:10.460 doctors have to keep the machines going and there are some uh they don't have to keep the machines

00:47:16.800 going we do have palliative care well yeah assuming the person didn't go for palliative care there are

00:47:21.740 some mps saying that it's um this will be taking away resources or at least taking away focus from

00:47:28.120 palliative care labor mps diane abbott yeah diane abbott must have put the right shoes on this morning and 1.00

00:47:33.860 came to a sensible conclusion she found the one pair she owns and put them on if i might as well

00:47:39.140 when you say uh tolerating and then to promoting have you read matthew paris's piece in the times

00:47:46.100 he said we cannot afford to have a taboo around assisted dying afford afford there it is and in it

00:47:52.340 he says he says this will basically create a pressure for older people to shuffle off this mortal coil faster

00:47:57.120 to save on pensions and that's a good thing and again the true face of this and again that is that

00:48:02.060 is horrible that is evil again after we shut down the country for two years to save those same people

00:48:07.580 so perhaps what we're learning here shock of all shocks is that the government will throw out any

00:48:14.900 shit to get what they want what they what they wanted at covid was not to save old people it was

00:48:21.500 to exercise an extreme form of power what they want now is not to prevent people from suffering it's to

00:48:28.100 exercise an extreme form of power what's the pretext for mass importing a million third worlders in 1.00

00:48:33.080 every year we've got to pay the pension bill so why is that going to continue if you kill off all

00:48:38.100 the pensioners i can't wait to see that excuse it doesn't make sense they literally just want you

00:48:41.720 dead well there you go and uh you get this in london unsurprisingly uh dignity and dying campaign

00:48:48.540 for dignity and dying they're a pressure group a lobby that have funded a lot of this uh here you can

00:48:54.160 see just down the tubes in london thank you to fleur for this video she works for right for right to

00:49:00.600 life uk actually so she actually cares about this but but the interesting thing that you learn here is

00:49:04.800 um a lot of these are being targeted at areas of the tube which mps will be going through very

00:49:10.480 frequently westminster it's just it's westminster and um so obviously this is a very very targeted

00:49:16.900 campaign for anybody who is as yet undecided before this vote they are putting a lot of money

00:49:23.100 into making sure they get it through similarly in bond street station uh which is a very wealthy

00:49:28.880 area of london there were last month lots of ads promoting divorce and all the couples were white

00:49:33.260 weird that surprise uh but as i mentioned uh oh yes they've already been defaced with samaritans good 0.71

00:49:41.140 uh which is a very good thing uh but also one of the interesting things here um if i click on this

00:49:46.800 link that again fleur has provided from the telegraph ac grayling who i believe is uh one of the patrons

00:49:54.360 for dignity and dying he is the worst yeah yeah he's one of the worst people yes absolutely he's already

00:50:02.260 said that the depressed should be allowed to kill themselves so he's already saying not only should 1.00

00:50:08.720 it be just be this one incredibly small group of people who there is an ethical argument to be made

00:50:15.580 that yeah they're suffering they're in pain perhaps it's more dignified for them no depressed people

00:50:21.180 which is exactly where the legislation started to push in canada immediately because really what

00:50:28.420 better solution again again if you're distressed at thinking about suicide because it's really

00:50:34.280 depressing to you nhs says why don't you kill yourself ac grayling supposedly a professor of ethics 1.00

00:50:40.940 and philosophy says yeah kill yourself why not shrug your shoulders what do you have to live for

00:50:47.180 anyway he says sitting at your bedside this is the philosophy that comes when you get rid of

00:50:52.860 the inviolable sanctity of innocent human life yeah and uh robert jenrich fair play to him has written

00:50:58.780 up again about it as well for the telegraph saying the poor and the lonely will feel societal pressure

00:51:03.120 to end their life early absolutely true as you were mentioning then again as uh as we've already

00:51:08.680 hinted at there is a bit of a lobby pressure group charlotte gill is great on this you should

00:51:14.000 be subscribing to our sub stack charlotte gill points out uh guido forks recently found the 0.92

00:51:18.320 campaign group backing kim led led beater's assisted dying bill are a dignity in dying as we've mentioned

00:51:23.760 they've been ramping up their advertising game online in the past 90 days alone they've splashed

00:51:28.400 181 122 pounds on facebook and instagram ads while since 2018 the total spend has topped 650 000

00:51:37.460 pounds uh she also points out that other parts for goodness sake sub stack other parts of the media 0.90

00:51:43.280 are very interested paul brand the uk editor of it he was the one who had right before the election

00:51:48.700 the down the phone interview with esther ranson and keir starmer he was in the room while they did it so

00:51:53.860 he seems to have a particular interest in this topic yes yes he does he's been just like look at all

00:51:58.080 this constantly posting about it on his twitter is his big thing and this is a man who's an editor

00:52:05.140 of the itv news and carol vorderman associator of him she's also been supporting this she's been

00:52:13.300 talking about it highlighted here from her book talking about dame esther ranson so there's an

00:52:18.520 associate association there again she points out about global as you were saying which runs lbc has

00:52:24.300 been pushing the issue on hard on it showed shows including the news agents uh moreover global owns

00:52:30.620 an enormous amount of outdoor advertising space in the uk which has been used for these dignity and

00:52:35.720 dying adverts in westminster of course as she points out the place where mps and lawmakers are

00:52:40.620 most likely to see them another coincidence relates to more in common the organization set up in joe cox's

00:52:47.080 name again led beater's sister uh which might explain the link to her which seemed uh to become

00:52:53.560 invested in the issue overnight brand publicized its latest research in assisted dying saying although

00:53:00.020 uh many might uh this was one where they were trying to say look it's a groundswell of support

00:53:05.100 same public love it the public want it same thing for lowering immigration why don't you listen to us on

00:53:09.700 that yeah although many might think of more in common as a polling firm it has quite lofty ambitions

00:53:14.360 it says working on quote uh both short and longer term initiatives to address the underlying drivers

00:53:20.020 of fracturing and polarization and build a more united resilient and inclusive societies unquote

00:53:25.720 it's become a major force in global democracies because of course polling is not to actually get

00:53:30.720 temperature of the public it's trying to try and shift the opinion of the public so if you are

00:53:35.880 undecided and you see here that oh only 13 opposed well social pressure peer pressure says i don't want

00:53:42.360 to be in the minority i want to be with the majority so i'll just go along with it and then there's the

00:53:48.400 other worrying implication of this whole thing which morgoth spelt out quite nicely which is uh you tired

00:53:53.760 of being taxed into poverty to pay for infimity bimalian seeing your kids trans are you depressed 0.99

00:53:59.240 let me tell you about assisted dying so yeah that's how it's going right now the vote for this bill will be

00:54:07.700 coming up on friday and we'll see what happens with that i know that there is an ethical argument again

00:54:12.400 for these very very special cases that is not where this is going to end we are already seeing

00:54:17.960 the narrative being pushed in a in a direction to expand all of this excellent so we've got some

00:54:24.100 rumble rants before we continue so we've got uh lothar trufer he has this in quotes so this is not me

00:54:30.420 whoever takes it out of context i'm not saying kill all the poor just run it through the computer and see

00:54:34.640 if it would work that awkward moment when the bean counters took 2012 mitchell and web too seriously

00:54:39.320 quite uh bob abad i would be curious to see what percentage of these euphemisia are immigrants and

00:54:45.220 also what percentage of the services are offered to native peoples versus migrants when both have

00:54:50.480 the same medical conditions i would think per capita um elderly english pensioners would take this up

00:54:56.500 far more frequently especially and also if they expand it to mental health conditions it will be

00:55:00.680 um young english teenagers who are hopelessly confused uh especially because of the mental health

00:55:06.100 crisis caused by lockdown but anyway one dollar that's a random name to be fair if i had to live

00:55:09.860 in london i would want to die too fair uh hot take life is sacred however some lives are more sacred

00:55:16.460 than others with that being said it is dangerous to go down this road because who gets to determine

00:55:19.680 whose life is more or less sacred um i think the principle of innocence applies i'm in agreement

00:55:23.880 with the vatican here you can kill criminals and save babies that's sensible we're doing the inverse 0.98

00:55:28.300 at the moment um five dollars in in xco not treating life as sacred as a dangerous rubicon to

00:55:33.760 cross and another five dollars we already have assisted dying in the name of palliative care

00:55:36.980 good point this is just promoting suicide from a morally baculous monolith and finally for ten

00:55:41.440 dollars davyverse i'm willing to accept this bill if we can make a compulsory alternative for life in

00:55:47.000 prison and pedophiles yeah you're not going to get that i'm afraid that's just called the death penalty

00:55:52.040 your terms are acceptable uh one final one that's just come in five dollars from j6681819

00:55:59.000 i hope that's not an adl hate number there goes my career it probably won't be it probably won't be

00:56:06.100 regarding the adverts for assisted dying perhaps we should look on the bright side at least white 1.00

00:56:10.280 actors will finally have employment opportunities that they don't have at present yeah i do wonder

00:56:14.200 if people think representation matters who thinks that white people should only be represented in

00:56:18.140 adverts for divorce and death anyway bo take it away good news it wasn't an adl hate number

00:56:23.340 they're not going to get you for that one connor they'll have to find something else

00:56:28.320 okay i just thought we could talk a little bit of check in with the trump train see what's going on

00:56:34.380 with his transition i haven't stopped smiling for weeks and his team uh so yeah we look about look at

00:56:39.940 who's going to be ruling the united states and by proxy a lot of the world in the next over the next

00:56:46.120 four years um so the first link i had there is before we talk about some of the actual personnel

00:56:51.160 um the the tariff stuff keeps coming up in the moment hasn't it the last week or so

00:56:55.680 uh that seems to be in the news a fair bit um i always seem to accuse i saw destiny but i've seen

00:57:02.280 a lot of people accuse trump of not understanding what a tariff is i don't think destiny what a

00:57:07.540 marriage is or sexual propriety judging by the discord leak so i'm not going to listen to him

00:57:11.620 yeah um and it seems to even just the threat of certain policy changes will like move the needle

00:57:18.040 on stuff right so um anyway i thought the just mention in passing the tariff stuff you're right

00:57:26.060 what's tickled you so much don't don't i do not want to talk about the destiny leaks no

00:57:32.660 sorry all right okay moving swiftly on sorry you caught me off guard with that yeah yeah i shouldn't

00:57:37.720 have mentioned destiny never mentioned destiny keep mentioning him who appear like candy man

00:57:42.360 yeah shit not like beetle juice because that would be kind of whimsical and fun no like the

00:57:48.080 like the murderer candy man um so yeah a lot of the leftists and globalists hate the idea of america

00:57:55.980 standing up for itself in economically in any real way and that everyone's a loser out of it well no not

00:58:01.720 at all well they don't obviously not they don't understand what tariffs are used for in the trump

00:58:05.800 doctrine because they can't assert a doctrine of national preference for any country in the western

00:58:10.280 hemisphere because it's full of successful straight white men but he uses them as a leveling mechanism 0.91

00:58:16.040 if they have been cheating you on intellectual property or on trade and leveling tariffs against

00:58:20.120 you trump will match you like for like or punish you if you're the chinese for sending fentanyl into 1.00

00:58:25.200 the country or the mexicans for allowing migrants to come into the country and so you will in order to 1.00

00:58:29.720 get the tariffs lifted meet his preferred policies which are in american interest is a perfectly sensible thing

00:58:33.980 i mean it's also uh sensible in the fact that it's trying to discourage all of the american businesses

00:58:39.900 from just offshoring everything bring industry back that makes a lot of sense to me because what

00:58:45.100 you're actually doing by handing a lot of industry over to china is you're empowering them on the global

00:58:49.340 scale which if they're a geopolitical rival that's a stupid thing to do yeah i mean it's just uh

00:58:56.620 uh it's just in the interest of america to promote people buying american built american made merchandise

00:59:06.940 what's wrong with that if you had america's interest at heart there's nothing wrong with that right why

00:59:11.820 buy a tat from china when you could buy american stuff for almost the same price very nearly the same price

00:59:18.700 anyway he just slaps loads of tariffs on their stuff and it highly incentivizes people to buy american

00:59:26.300 the argument is always and this is a very um sort of libertarian argument which of course is a case of

00:59:32.380 tactical libertarianism from leftists which is that it will raise prices it will it will raise prices

00:59:38.700 you're taking the bill and putting it on the public that is the short-term consequence but uh it doesn't

00:59:45.340 seem to be taking on the idea of the long-term consequences that yes if it does improve industry

00:59:50.940 domestically that eventually will also lead to the prices falling again and also it's a question of

00:59:56.380 quantity over quality yeah you could as you say buy a lot of chinese tat that's going to fall apart

01:00:01.900 and be very very low quality or if it's produced in america domestically where they've got higher

01:00:06.620 standards on things then yeah you're going to be getting a better quality of product as well also if you

01:00:11.020 deregulate businesses cut taxes and ensure plentiful and cheap energy supply the prices will themselves

01:00:16.540 fall in tandem with the tariffs so it should just cancel itself out okay so going on to trump's team

01:00:22.700 he has made a fair few picks whether you know a lot of the cabinet ones have to get actually okayed by

01:00:28.940 uh the senate and is it and congress i think it's just senate approval right so whether someone whether

01:00:35.740 trump picks someone or not doesn't necessarily mean they're definitely definitely going to get the

01:00:38.940 position but nonetheless um so a fair few we've got a fair few names on this stuff now i suppose

01:00:44.380 some of the biggest stuff is uh well elon first and foremost uh the department of government

01:00:49.820 efficiency apparently he's going to get put vivek in there as well so whether that will be a double

01:00:54.620 team i wonder whether who will be whose boss or whether they'll sort of formally be put on the same

01:01:01.660 pay grade i think they'll i think they'll just be a partnership and just be

01:01:06.220 attack dogs for the various places they want to go for i think elon will go for business and energy

01:01:11.260 and deregulation particularly around the tech sector and and vivek will go for the um the various

01:01:17.500 government departments that are clogging up the works like he's had it really in for the intelligence

01:01:22.140 agencies especially since january 6th so yeah i mean um i'm looking forward to that i am i'm looking

01:01:29.980 forward to see what they do um if it is an actual government uh sorry cabinet position then one of

01:01:36.460 them assuming it's one of those two guys is the secretary one of them will have to be at least

01:01:40.780 formally nominally above the other but anyway it doesn't really matter but i think vivek would

01:01:45.660 probably take the cabinet position because elon is far too busy being amazing at doter and sending

01:01:50.140 rockets to mars okay so that's one to keep your eye on when it happens i wonder how quickly they'll

01:01:56.700 they'll hit the ground running on that whether they'll do like within a few days like when elon

01:02:00.940 took over x within days wasn't it stuff happened and moved profoundly wonder whether i'm really

01:02:07.820 interested probably most thing i'm most interested to see is how quickly and what they do over at

01:02:13.900 government efficiency um okay one second there is one thing i worry about with vivek and elon

01:02:22.380 being involved in this we have the same concern uh which is that um vivek and elon as well might

01:02:31.420 have the temptation to get rid of a lot of inefficient people and clogging up the bureaucracy yes and

01:02:38.060 import elite human capital yes indians just put a very pro migration they're very pro elite human capital

01:02:46.300 my best case scenario would be just high iq europeans being brought in uh but that doesn't seem to be

01:02:53.020 how elon has treated uh twitter since he's come in and vivek i'm sad to say the indians are known for

01:02:59.500 being very nepotistic yeah that's just a fact well personally this won't probably uh garner me many

01:03:05.580 friends in our audience but i don't like vivek i don't like him i don't trust him something weird

01:03:10.140 about him i don't like him i don't don't buy any of his shtick very intelligent and uh i think he has

01:03:17.660 gone to bat for trump at let's say potential significant personal cost over the last couple

01:03:23.660 of years but would i want him as a successor presidential candidate which is obviously lining

01:03:29.260 himself up for no yeah i just i just don't i've never i've never bought that he's on the level i don't

01:03:35.580 know why it's difficult to put my finger on exactly why it's that time he wrapped eminem isn't it

01:03:40.620 he what do you not remember what now you know what was it lose yourself oh god when he was on the

01:03:47.740 campaign trail as a potential nominee for republican president he went up yeah did a um did a rap in

01:03:54.460 front of a big crowd of lose yourself and all of a sudden his campaign yeah i remember seeing that

01:03:59.580 on twitter i got through about four or five seconds of it it's like oh no no no i can't watch this i'm

01:04:03.340 cringe i'm sorry i reminded you of that yeah and that's when you decided not a guy not my guy i

01:04:08.620 just don't yeah i don't i don't don't like him anyway um susie wiles is going to be his chief of 0.98

01:04:15.180 staff that was one of the first ones to come out um i don't really know much about her do you guys

01:04:18.620 know much anything else about i've got a few of the details of that she worked with to work with

01:04:22.780 trump for a while and then to census for a while and then back with trump i've heard she's a very

01:04:26.140 very strong competent campaign organizer from the people that i know in washington that's about it so

01:04:30.620 apparently it's a good pick from the people that want trump to succeed because the chief of staff

01:04:34.300 role is absolutely pivotal thing it's like if the president's captain of the ship it's like he's your

01:04:40.300 first mate it's like your first gatekeeper or she it's like your first gatekeeper um it's um yeah

01:04:47.740 looking back through chiefs of staff historically for presidents it's sort of it couldn't be more

01:04:53.180 important if they're inept or bad or corrupt in any way that's terrible i'm not saying she is

01:04:58.780 i'd like to say i don't really know much about her at all but um just i suppose just fingers

01:05:02.540 crossed that she's going to be good at the job was it um what's his face was it kushner was chief of

01:05:08.300 staff last time who was it i don't think he was chief of staff i know he had a lot of involvement in

01:05:13.340 the white didn't trump go through more than one oh sorry i think he went through more than one but um

01:05:19.100 it is a pivotal pivotal thing um so at homeland security he's picked that christie know him yeah not great

01:05:28.780 she decided to the thing we call the headlines about her book was that she was bragging about 1.00

01:05:34.540 how she killed the family dog which is a lot of odd but then she also made up a mercy killing was it 1.00

01:05:39.660 what was the details it it had mauled i think the neighbor's chickens and so she decided to what was

01:05:46.300 it i think she shot it um the more concerning thing was in her book she made completely fabricated

01:05:51.900 a meeting with kim jong-un really yeah and then she had to go later on fox news and say

01:05:58.380 yeah i didn't actually do that it's like it was really it was really bizarre that's a really easy

01:06:03.100 thing to fact check as well kim jong-un it's it was it was strange yeah that's really i didn't know

01:06:09.660 that one that's really embarrassing it's really really embarrassing that well i just think you know

01:06:14.380 you could have picked if you want someone to go to to war with the the deep state i don't know like

01:06:21.180 pick someone like jim jordan or something who's the head of the weaponization of governance subcommittee

01:06:25.340 he'd be someone who probably doesn't lie about things uh bar low all right yeah you've got to

01:06:32.620 lower the bar for politicians the thing about the thing about homeland is that they're absolutely

01:06:38.060 gigantic like just the fbi comes under that uh loads and loads and loads of things come under

01:06:44.540 the umbrella of homeland it's a massive massively powerful position i would have had someone who

01:06:50.380 was in congress grilling christopher ray or something like that you would want so i would

01:06:53.820 want someone that was completely uh like as hard lying as you could be um really really um hard

01:07:02.620 bitten gnarled like it wouldn't would got completely their own mind i wouldn't want where anyone where

01:07:09.420 there's like a shred of of weakness in them not sure i mean she seems like a nice farm girl she's a farm

01:07:16.860 girl right that's her shtick right that she grew up on a farm and she's all american north carolina or 1.00

01:07:21.500 wherever it is i can't remember where something south dakota sorry south dakota even more farm girl

01:07:26.460 type stuff so that's well and good well and good at homeland though i want i want a badass who knows

01:07:33.340 the system inside out who's not going to let anyone stand on them for a moment i'm not sure if she's up to

01:07:38.620 it she's got to take on the fbi really christy gnome's going to take on the fbi at an institutional 1.00

01:07:47.500 level and win is she we're in the era of girl bosses who knows i hope so i've got my fingers crossed for

01:07:52.220 her well there's these two there's there's christy gnome at homeland and the director for national

01:07:56.380 intelligence is going to be tulsi gabbard i would have thought you might have inverted those roles

01:08:02.220 right that's not a bad that's a good point we're not even i would think tulsi gabbard for homeland

01:08:07.900 security and then someone you know very strong for not necessarily gnome but for director of national

01:08:14.300 intelligence because because national as far as i know um hope oh no no actually national intelligence

01:08:21.180 would be the the military wouldn't it yeah yeah okay no that's more that's more suitable then yeah

01:08:25.580 all sorts of the like the security state come under that so like the cia and all sorts of stuff so

01:08:31.740 anyway the point is if trump really wants to clean the swamp on his 10 point plan about cleaning the

01:08:36.220 swamp out and dealing with rogue or subversive elements within the intelligence services his

01:08:43.580 two point people are christy gnome and tulsi gabbard now they're two pretty hard individuals reasonably

01:08:52.860 and no pushover but have they really got the steel it's going to take to turn the nsa and the fbi and the

01:09:00.380 cia inside out and upside down and force them to become something new have they got that in a steel

01:09:08.060 in them i fear not i fear not it's going to it needs like those two positions i just want truly sort of

01:09:17.740 badass individuals i'm not sure if they're going to be up to it i fear i hope they are of course

01:09:22.460 absolutely hope they are wish them the best but they're up against it there's certain things when you

01:09:28.460 need a senior government minister um to grab a government department by the by the collar

01:09:38.860 and and dominate it dominate all the bureaucrats within it absolutely change it you that you are

01:09:44.780 the dominant force there and it will bend to your will right this all sounds very authoritarian but

01:09:51.500 like being a parent or something or if you're trying to control an aggressive dangerous dog or a horse that's

01:09:57.020 out of control now you need a grasp of steel and that you will brook we will brook no opposition

01:10:04.700 to what you're doing and saying none that's what that's what they would require if trump's going to

01:10:08.380 clean that swamp i just don't know if if gabbard didn't know him can do it so anyway i've labored

01:10:12.860 that point a bit best of luck to them best of luck to them uh marco rubio gets secretary of state

01:10:19.580 now it's interesting because rubio hasn't been the strongest rhetorician it was didn't he deliver the

01:10:30.060 rebuttal to an obama state of the union address during the 2016 election cycle and had to keep

01:10:36.940 leaning over and sipping water and being very awkward rubio is not known to be the toughest talker

01:10:43.980 um though i do know that he's got very good team around him i have a friend on rubio's team and he's

01:10:49.740 drafted some very strong bills trying to instantiate socially conservative policies within the military

01:10:54.540 trying to for example prevent them from becoming abortion stations within anti-abortion states

01:11:00.460 by restricting their funding so he is willing to crack the whip on legislation so that's that's

01:11:05.660 positive well one thing about being a bit softer that's not as bad at the state department because

01:11:10.540 you're essentially the most senior diplomat is what you are right at the state department it's

01:11:15.340 the equivalent of our foreign secretary i mean other than the president himself he's a type of

01:11:20.140 figurehead or diplomat in a sense isn't he going around the world but at the state department you

01:11:23.820 would want someone that can that isn't just sort of this hardline badass it's my way or the highway

01:11:29.100 that's not really necessarily what you want maybe you want someone to trump's bad cop maybe yeah

01:11:33.580 now i don't mind rubio i don't love him um but um yeah we'll see how that goes for him

01:11:39.500 uh i was i was surprised i thought that because one of the glaring uh omissions from this is

01:11:46.220 de santis he might get a job still we don't know it's still relatively early days but he is a glaring

01:11:51.500 out he doesn't look like trump's probably going to give him anything i sort of suspected rubio might

01:11:56.140 they might put rubio in the same camp but obviously not one thing that does spring to mind right away

01:12:01.260 is that looking down four years down the road uh vance is going to have uh i would have thought

01:12:08.300 going to have a leadership rival well in rubio rubio expected to be the vp well he expected to

01:12:15.340 get the call and didn't well if we just looked briefly quickly looked ahead for in the next four

01:12:19.820 years i was assuming these people during the next four years don't completely ruin themselves one way or

01:12:25.420 another with some sort of scandal or something i would have thought vance rubio probably gabard

01:12:30.140 again because you've got a track record they're gonna vivek probably as well um they're all gonna

01:12:37.260 i i don't think i don't think vance will just get a coronation i don't think i think he'll have to

01:12:42.300 fight for it uh but we'll see how that goes that's obviously in the future um so yeah good good day for

01:12:48.540 rubio i think uh rfk is health secretary sort of an amazing thing i think because obviously he's not

01:12:54.940 a republican so sort of a brilliant thing like an old school throwback that this guy on his own merits

01:13:03.340 merit merit's really important on his own merits has got as one a place in government with uh with the

01:13:09.580 opposition party quite remarkable um i've got my problems with rfk particularly in terms of uh economic

01:13:16.940 policies and some of his social policies he's he's quite a hard line lefty actually but on on the

01:13:21.900 environment guns and abortion he sucks on health it's pretty good right exactly and that's what 0.60

01:13:25.580 trump's gonna let him do exactly exactly so on the covid stuff and big pharma oh it's great it's great

01:13:31.500 just don't ask him about his reparations policy right yeah yeah yeah um just don't ask him how much

01:13:37.180 human growth hormone he's interested um yeah but i'd rather i'd i'd i'd i'd rather that than

01:13:44.220 than the gelatinous masses as dankler said on our election night that the witch of the waste from

01:13:49.020 how's moving castle that's seeming to be all the health secretaries across the us and europe

01:13:53.980 no i'd rather have someone that's got arms and shoulders in their 60s or however old he is than

01:13:57.980 some big fat gelatinous blob blob yeah no of course yeah yeah uh again good luck to him good luck to him

01:14:04.060 uh that that tom homan is the bull desire he's a beast he's i want guys like that at homeland 1.00

01:14:10.060 i would want a dude like that at homeland you know and breaking up scattering to the winds the

01:14:17.900 some of the foreign intelligence services just an act just a monster of a dude anyway um uh pete

01:14:25.020 pete hegseth his defense secretary um i mean he's he is a 20-year veteran of the military

01:14:32.700 graduated from two ivy league universities wrote the book on how to get rid of dei in the military

01:14:36.700 has deus fault on a giant cross tattooed on him absolute chad he does i mean yeah i mean he has

01:14:44.300 said lots and lots of of base things um but uh you know he's a hundred percent on board with with

01:14:50.860 the israeli project i mean if you scroll down a couple paragraphs on that you'll see i can't remember

01:14:56.620 what he says if you love america you should love israel sort of says it also that's a very strange

01:15:01.660 no real changing of the guard there given trump's own stated personal views i imagine that basically

01:15:07.740 all of his picks are going to echo that line but also okay no matter your feelings on israel i'm

01:15:13.260 indifferent i've never visited trump's going to wrap up the conflict so it shouldn't be in the headlines

01:15:17.980 really anyway well we'll see that's an interminable conflict well you know it's never it won't go away

01:15:26.140 in our lifetimes no but it won't be pressing for the next four years let's hope for the next four

01:15:30.620 years of the trump administration there won't be there won't be a full-blown war between lebanon

01:15:34.620 gaza and israel hopefully my primary concern is that hopefully he can force um people to the table to

01:15:42.060 wrap up ukraine that'd be nice hope that that's my one because obviously the regime as it exists right 0.93

01:15:48.940 now has been very all on board with that for a long time and i'm and he isn't so for me given that

01:15:55.020 that's in europe that's my most pressing concern yeah yeah no fair enough uh there's a few other

01:16:00.620 positions um but and this won't necessarily go through um the the gates debacle yes a little bit

01:16:07.420 about him he won he was up for uh attorney general wasn't it yes and um powers that be sort of scuppered

01:16:14.780 it and now he says he's not going to uh return to congress well because he resigned so he technically

01:16:19.980 can't unless he would be reinstated i believe he'd have to be reinstated by the rest of his

01:16:26.540 the rest of the congress if i remember correctly and he's ticked quite a few of them off um just being

01:16:31.820 very anti-establishment so i mean we remember when uh kevin mccarthy had a full-blown row with him on

01:16:37.420 the senate floor and barged into him and all that so i think what gates is probably going to get

01:16:43.180 he might be being lined up for rubio's seat in florida as a senator because obviously rubio's gonna have to

01:16:48.700 step down as senator but yeah i don't feel like it's the end of his career no um but so so did he

01:16:55.660 get re-elected at the beginning of this month we didn't even stand in that he did stand in that

01:16:59.100 yes one right and and what then since then uh he's resigned resigned from congress yes the the other

01:17:08.220 the other thing with gates and this is you know that the the justice department which is highly

01:17:13.100 partisan through the investigation out and didn't charge him running his appointment was done

01:17:18.540 under the dark cloud as they always do of essentially me too application allegations um

01:17:25.420 he's denied them his legal teams denied them no evidences have come to light to suggest that

01:17:29.660 but i think he did that to basically step away so that it didn't hold up the appointments process for

01:17:36.140 everyone else which if you know innocent man frustrating thing probably a noble thing to do yeah

01:17:43.900 maybe maybe who knows quite what's going on behind the scenes exactly um but we'll see so running

01:17:50.380 short on time so just another couple quick points to make the new the new education secretary

01:17:58.780 will be uh mrs vince mcmahon linda mcmahon has been picked to be the education secretary of of the

01:18:05.100 united states of america yeah she was head of the um america first policy think tank for quite a few years so

01:18:10.620 i think people are hoping that she's the shortest serving education secretary in history before he

01:18:14.460 dismantles it like a lego set right what do you what do you mean well he said he's going to abolish

01:18:19.180 the department of education right so she's probably a caretaker head of so you might just put her in 0.51

01:18:23.980 as a joke then no no not necessarily a joke but he's he's got a loyalist in there to help dismantle

01:18:28.380 it from the inside right okay want to be replaced by what just like the states in the state do yeah

01:18:33.500 before the 1970s they did that and they had actually better outcomes fair if you wanted to dismantle

01:18:37.100 it you'd need to be ruthless and the mcmahon's are nothing if not if anyone who doesn't might not

01:18:42.540 know linda mcmahon is the wife of vince mcmahon the owner of wwe formerly wwe now i'm just imagining

01:18:50.940 linda mcmahon going in and saying i want ruthless aggression people have said this is the first 0.97

01:18:58.060 department of education secretary that's been playable in like any no mercy from 90s she appoints uh 0.70

01:19:05.580 hulk hogan as her press secretary or something i think we all wanted that we all wanted america

01:19:12.380 embrace your true and final form donald trump as president hulk hogan as press secretary linda

01:19:19.260 mcmahon at education i know he's very controversial right now but really vince mcmahon is chief of staff

01:19:26.700 i know he's very controversial we've got to dismantle the federal education system brother

01:19:32.620 flexes on yeah yeah so anyway linda mcmahon who's done all sorts of funny things in the past 0.99

01:19:39.820 um has she been she had a stone cold stunner done on her or she did one to one you she did one on 1.00

01:19:46.220 someone harry um no she's not done a stone cold stunner she's taken one she's taken a stone cold

01:19:51.820 stunner did she sell it well no she's so it's happened again we're talking about wrestling oh yeah

01:19:56.220 sorry also there's an amazing clip of her pretending to be paralytic sat in a wheelchair

01:20:01.660 as vince mcmahon makes out with a much younger woman directly in front of her so she's the first

01:20:08.060 secretary of education that you can say that about it is yeah yeah i guarantee other ones have probably

01:20:15.020 done worse okay i went most certainly if anything at the sleaze level the mcmahon's are probably like 0.83

01:20:21.020 quite low down in washington and there's a bit of sleaze there and that's saying a lot yeah um

01:20:27.660 okay so the last point i just want to make um is just that uh trump's sentencing for all those felonies

01:20:33.580 he was found guilty of has been pushed back again for some reason don't really know exactly the legal

01:20:40.540 reasoning they get they're gonna go nowhere and get dropped that's that's what it looks like

01:20:45.660 uh but yeah so that was sort of well was steely as i suppose to some degree hanging over his head

01:20:53.260 uh but that's just something to mention on on the the the ongoing trump train

01:20:59.340 excellent onto the video comments

01:21:07.900 you can play and that now we are at our rock bottom and this is where we are at i feel like

01:21:14.460 i'm in a different world today this is so heartbreaking i am beyond i'm beyond words and feelings today

01:21:22.460 she made a video whining about not receiving equal rights and then says she's beyond words and feelings

01:21:32.700 dear god are these people just so lacking in self-awareness

01:21:37.340 yes yes don't telegraph your personal anguish and meltdowns on the internet for validation it's

01:21:45.260 embarrassing yeah just general good life advice also again i get one to the bank i have to keep

01:21:52.700 pointing this out i don't feel like the leftists actually care anywhere near as much as they used

01:21:57.100 to even in that clip that you played there sam she's kind of like oh i'm so depressed oh i hate

01:22:03.980 this so much whereas if it was 2016 she'd be like actually ripping chunks of her own skin out

01:22:09.420 because scratching her face punching the walls i think that this oh it was a bit performative to

01:22:15.660 begin with now it's completely performed well the best meltdowns from this election cycle were all of

01:22:19.980 the shit libs who thought they actually had a stranglehold on politics realizing that they don't 0.55

01:22:23.980 it's rory stewart it's chen yuga it's alistair campbell destiny screeching on his stream

01:22:29.340 why are they counting that he was this close to denying the election results yeah it's all the

01:22:33.980 people who thought they had much more influence than they did so felt personally aggrieved all of

01:22:37.740 the on the ground level meltdown to kind of just tame oh well i'm on the next one hey guys i wanted to

01:22:46.060 shout out a really awesome food youtube channel you should look into it's called john kirkwood he's a

01:22:53.020 retired chef and he does some really really lovely english and british cooking you you guys should

01:23:01.660 have him on the show and you should use him to do the lotus eaters cooking show seriously lotus

01:23:07.260 eaters cooking show guys do it we'll say in that thumbnail that steak and guinness pie looked fantastic

01:23:14.220 my missus is making mince pies this sunday the first of december so i'm very much very cute

01:23:18.860 very cute on the next one now a quick memo to queer stalin margaret thatcher the prime minister 0.79

01:23:25.820 with the biggest balls of any pm since churchill once called a general election a year early so

01:23:33.100 starma's tough shit reaction to the million signing a petition against him should remember that although

01:23:40.380 uk elections are every five years that isn't set in stone and if labor hopes to preserve its electoral

01:23:47.260 viability the starmer bot may want to be very careful well we had three elections within the

01:23:54.220 space of five years between 2015 and 2019 plus the brexit referendum so it's not impossible ben

01:23:59.900 habib's prediction i think he's quite good on economics is that there's going to be a sterling

01:24:03.500 crisis in a couple of years because rachel reeves is so incompetent she's mismanaged the budget nobody's 1.00

01:24:07.580 going to be investing the sterling is going to fall against the pound and i'll have to go cap in hand

01:24:10.540 to the imf like they did in the 70s therefore instigating a general election if he's so unpopular

01:24:15.260 already an economic crash might actually kill labor off i don't think they'll actually respond in any

01:24:20.620 way other than dismissing the petition but if it does get more signatures over a period of time

01:24:26.700 than they got in votes there will be excellent propaganda it builds momentum and discontent

01:24:32.540 it keeps up morale if it takes five years things like this are useful we've got a sorry it's that

01:24:37.740 thing that david cameron and nick clegg brought in if you remember that the there is a a certain amount

01:24:43.180 of time it used to be that it was at the pm's discretion within quite a large window of time

01:24:48.380 but now there's a certain point where you cannot keep parliaments going david cameron brought that

01:24:52.540 in in what 2010 or 12 or whatever it was um so of course the pm could call one early but yeah

01:24:59.500 my reading is that starmer he could have 20 million signatures and he'll just ignore it

01:25:05.580 because that's who he is he's the type of politician an old school lefty politician

01:25:09.020 will never give up power of his own accord uh we'll talk about where well be in the office

01:25:13.660 the other day we talked about where well be was under a little bit of pressure and he resigned

01:25:16.940 people saying i wonder if starmer will do anything like that no no no never in a million years you

01:25:21.180 don't understand the man remotely if you think he would no no you'll never walk away from the game

01:25:27.180 and he's been building up this for decades at this point uh he's had goals that he's wanted to

01:25:32.540 achieve and sadly it seems that he's been very successful over his career achieving them

01:25:36.940 um and i think there's a very old-fashioned term for what keir starmer is which is evil

01:25:42.540 and he's evil in a position of great power communist that's a synonym we've got a couple of rumble

01:25:47.980 rants and we'll do some website comments uh sober saint for five dollars and has a very strong 0.99

01:25:52.700 opinion on this any sort of assisted dying is cowardice you're afraid of pain losing your dignity

01:25:57.180 and want to take the easy way out to save face i wouldn't reduce it to that i don't

01:26:01.980 i mean i have strong objections to it i wouldn't uh dismiss people's emotional turmoil as just mere

01:26:08.460 cowardice and or even trying to preserve their reputation yeah that's that's bullshit that's 0.62

01:26:12.940 coming from someone who doesn't know about misery and suffering and death has never really stared

01:26:17.100 it in the face i don't think so i reject yeah i i think it i think it's difficult to say something

01:26:23.900 so strong unless you've been in that position or seen somebody else in that position you want to

01:26:28.140 save face and dignity and pain yeah yeah well also i don't think that's a particularly persuasive

01:26:34.300 line of argument against it um and i say that as someone who does argue against it so there you go

01:26:39.180 uh two dollars boba bad did you know if you type destiny three times into r slash cuckold a shirtless

01:26:44.220 mutant dwarf will appear in the corner of your room and just watch you while sitting lopsided 1.00

01:26:49.580 that is nightmarish that's a thing i just read out thanks he might also offer you his wife while

01:26:54.140 you sat there you never know uh jm denton for ten dollars thank you vivek is a biotech ceo a class

01:27:00.140 known for pump and dump i wish i hadn't read that out it's ridiculous to trust him as a politician he

01:27:06.060 made a bet on maga but just before he saw the way the winds were going he said he cried about january

01:27:10.700 6th i mean i didn't know about the january 6th statements understandable um lots of people made silly

01:27:16.460 statements about trump i mean do you remember jd vance in 2016 said he's going to be america's hitler

01:27:20.860 he's now his vp i'm not saying that vivek is a perfect candidate or sincere i don't know the guy

01:27:25.740 um i just think that's probably not worth writing off someone in trump's orbit for that reason because

01:27:30.540 pretty much everyone in the maga coalition who's now a successor or heir apparent has done the same

01:27:34.060 thing gabard and rubio both through quite a few barbs uh trump's way rfk yeah pretty much everyone in

01:27:41.180 his orbit now either ran against him for president or actively disparaged him it is a credit to trump's

01:27:45.580 character that is prepared to like say the rfk pick alone is quite a remarkable thing he doesn't

01:27:52.780 have the ego that people think yeah all right yeah can't be said for politicians over in the uk

01:27:57.660 unfortunately uh and one dollar from that's a random name not to be pessimistic but don't

01:28:01.260 forget the government passed a mass casualties bill and trump's entire team will be at the

01:28:04.540 inauguration perfect opportunity for something to happen i i don't think so that's very unlikely

01:28:09.580 yeah i i don't think so if they did something very very obvious and just came up and said right

01:28:13.740 we're in power now enough of the enough of the jokes enough of all of the shroud of uh democratic

01:28:19.820 legitimacy we're in power uh that i think that would actually be the one thing that might set the

01:28:24.380 americans off to use their guns that they're so proud of other than that no unless and and even 0.98

01:28:29.820 then if you think oh it might be like the shooter earlier on this year i mean that would have to be

01:28:34.540 a damn good shooter in an event like that yeah and obviously uh none of us hope that we don't

01:28:39.340 hope the intelligence services pull anything off wily not that they haven't before yeah i i think

01:28:45.020 it's more likely they're going to try and frustrate him economically i mean jerome powell has said he's

01:28:48.380 not going to resign as chairman of the fed so he's just going to use interest rates to attack tariffs

01:28:52.380 i reckon uh we'll do a couple more website comments and then we'll wrap up uh screw tape lasers bo the

01:28:57.500 reason you don't like vivek is because as with me you're burdened with the sight of middle age you

01:29:02.460 have met all types of people and vivek is obviously a plastic shape-shifting snake

01:29:06.060 um i would like to say that i've met some very tricky people especially considering i've

01:29:09.980 been in westminster politics um so i know how to spot them i'm maybe just being excessively

01:29:15.020 charitable but who knows for me he screams untrustworthy screams you're playing a character

01:29:24.220 i don't know it just for me what are you cackling at uh someone's name on this uh on the

01:29:30.940 comments right now is rory is a pikey 0.98

01:29:36.780 listen just because he looks like one sounds like one acts like one smells like one 0.86

01:29:42.540 i forgot where i was going with that a bit much for rory blimey even in the office today exactly 0.60

01:29:51.660 rory will be on the lads hour soon though and i can't wait for that oh yeah yeah he will

01:29:55.420 be so much fun that's gonna be a good one right baron von warhawk to compare kia starmer to saw

01:29:59.980 goodman harry is an unforgivable insult to saw since he came clean at the end of the series and

01:30:04.140 willingly went to jail for his evil as something kia would never do so also had a very charming 0.89

01:30:09.340 personality let's give him that yeah quite uh peter harvey there would only be two reasons kia

01:30:13.980 starmer always seemed to be free for defending terrorists either he was intentionally free

01:30:17.660 or it's a terrible lawyer that no one wanted which is not impossible i don't think that's true i

01:30:23.020 think but by the sounds of it i know it was a joke by the sounds of it he was an excellent lawyer

01:30:28.940 he purposefully vacated spaces for these clients it seems that's what it sounds like harry do you

01:30:33.980 want to do something from yours oh yeah i'll read a few uh chase ball oh so a doctor can tell me to

01:30:38.300 kill myself but when i do it to others on twitter i get banned we live in an absolute society that we

01:30:44.300 do my friend roman observer you don't need to grow food if you're dead and the nhs can help you with

01:30:49.420 that uh arizona desert rat last six months of life guaranteed when it comes to medical care and

01:30:53.980 living and dying there is no guarantee especially with the nhs and uh run snow run car snow pen

01:31:01.980 i don't know if i've been made to say something rude assistant dying is is such a semantic mess it's

01:31:09.020 euthanasia i hate how as a linguist and writer we see the destruction of meaning to fool the common man

01:31:14.300 quite i agree uh beau do you make any of the ones that you've got yours uh colin p says i have friends

01:31:20.780 in florida who would much rather ronda santis remain as governor there than join the federal government 0.89

01:31:25.660 i think he can't because he didn't he opt to not run for re-election because he's running for president

01:31:32.380 i might misremember that doesn't he only have a term up to 2028 anyway as uh as governor might well

01:31:41.100 be i'm gonna have to weren't his figures just in the presidential run aborted president run just

01:31:45.820 not good enough he's just not likes nationwide slipped down to third on a fair few he also he

01:31:52.060 also made some strange pr choices that seemed to slip under his nose

01:31:58.700 okay kevin fox says national intelligence james o'keith he'll root he'll root out the swamp things

01:32:04.300 who's james o'keith again uh former head of project veritas he does all the undercover recordings oh yeah

01:32:09.100 yeah the one who we presume dresses as women tricks redditors right i mean they don't understand the 0.98

01:32:15.260 difference i think unfortunately james o'keefe this is something that people have to understand

01:32:19.100 um certain people are suited for certain roles it's like you'd waste douglas murray as an mp i think

01:32:24.860 james o'keefe would be wasted in that department i think he's actually best used exposing our enemies

01:32:29.820 he's doing what he loves and he's good at he just looks too good in a dress

01:32:32.860 and kevin fox said homeland should go to don jr how on earth would don jr run don jr runs a great

01:32:41.740 podcast i don't think sorry just one of those things anyway look i'm in favor of american dynasties

01:32:47.980 but i don't think he's qualified but farron though no he's just caesar i believe bless you anyway we've

01:32:56.700 reached the end of our podcast thank you very much for joining us we'll be back tomorrow at one o'clock and

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01:33:05.580 until then take care and goodbye

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