00:00:00.680Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1069. Nice. And it's today the 23rd of December 2024 and today is the last live podcast of the year. How are we all feeling gentlemen?
00:00:17.980Well I'm getting over a gastric flu so I am feeling considerably slimmer than I was about a week ago. But don't worry it's all physics more out than in.
00:04:31.420And again I think it's important to highlight here yes Islamophobic views, ex-Muslim, wearing a fedora, what many would like to claim to be integrated but whether or not integrated is an accurate term here.
00:04:49.040Well I don't want to go too hard on that angle because we...
00:04:53.240That's certainly how I see it because the first thing he does is like oh well I need to immediately start a foundation to get more people like me here.
00:05:00.380Because I've moved to a foreign country that's allowed me in, given me refuge, what's the first thing I'm going to do to pay them back?
00:05:07.420Well I need to make sure that I'm surrounded by as many people like myself as possible.
00:05:12.000And that is definitely a valid angle as well.
00:05:21.920Like he's definitely got sympathies for his, you know, people like him, you know, other Arabs who are presumably, assuming he is honest in his anti-Islamic stance.
00:05:35.260Now I just want to be clear, there are lots of people saying well this isn't really true.
00:05:38.260But the thing is he did this for a decade.
00:05:40.560And he's got, he had a long Twitter history of being integrated into the kind of ex-Muslim or anti-religion community.
00:05:48.220I don't know if the Takiyah thing is right or not, but the point is, is that he found a system that worked, which is claim that I've got an ex-Muslim, therefore they're an apostate in Saudi Arabia, therefore you have to let them in.
00:06:02.780And the thing is, I'm not saying that there aren't, there isn't a sort of, from the liberal perspective, a morally legitimate cause there, right?
00:06:11.180There are lots of people who are ex-Muslims in Muslim countries who want to leave, who do actually like the West, and who do actually think well of it.
00:06:19.920The sort of Ayaan Hirsi Ali types, right?
00:06:22.140Who do think well of the West and don't want us to destroy ourselves, and who are, I guess, as the German Interior Minister would describe them, Islamophobic.
00:06:30.260But who aren't necessarily saying we have to bring in as many people.
00:06:33.500I mean, that's what he did with his foundation.
00:06:35.760The issue, I think, is the, that I take most objection to, is the instrumentalization of Germany and the German people in this guy's worldview.
00:06:47.260Because it was clear that he viewed being in Germany and what he could get out of Germany as a means to an end, rather than as an end in itself, which I think is really the problem.
00:06:58.020But the thing is, this then opens up questions of, well, how could you ever know whether that's someone's plan or not?
00:07:05.280And this leads us down various other rabbit holes that we'll get to in a bit.
00:07:09.300So anyway, it became apparent that because he was an ex-Muslim Islamophobe, he was a big fan of the AFD.
00:07:20.540They do, in this political article, point out that he supports the AFD, and he was a supporter of Tommy Robinson, he's a supporter of Gert Wilders, he's a supporter of Elon Musk.
00:07:35.240He is essentially what we would describe as centre-right in the classical liberal mould, as far as we can tell.
00:07:43.140And the left seemed to have really embraced this angle of it, which is an odd line to take, to say that because he supported an anti-immigration party, therefore, when an immigrant commits mass murder, that invalidates the argument against mass immigration.
00:07:58.900Yeah. And also, OK, he's so Islamic, he's so anti-Islamic, but he attacks a Christian Christmas market.
00:08:06.000It's a strange thing to do. And that's why there's been a cloud of mystery around his motivations.
00:08:13.020With this whole supporting of the AFD, it says, allegedly, I've not seen any, because I know he's got a very well-documented Twitter account that people have been combing through.
00:08:21.540I've seen his responses to Gert Wilders, I've seen some of the other things. What is the evidence that he supported the AFD?
00:26:43.700He's like, they're all, they've been on his back for the past two days, or since it was done, whatever it was, saying, look, you've got to disavow the AFD, basically.
00:26:51.840He's like, no, only the AFD can save Germany.
00:26:59.600And again, it's just all foreigners doing it.
00:27:03.120Anyway, so like I said, it's a very confused mix of things at the moment, and there's no good answer to any of it.
00:27:10.280But there are simple answers, and like you say, people are going to come to those simple answers, and especially if the liberals can't do anything about it, which I don't think they can, they're going to come to them sooner rather than later.
00:27:24.100All right, we've got some rumble rants, if you'd like to go through them.
00:27:27.360Peter says, how convenient this terrorist supports everything that Germany is trying to ban.
00:27:31.640Smells like planned intelligence services operation.
00:27:34.020Maybe, but it was a long time in the making, and the, I don't, I don't buy it.
00:27:39.400Because he was tweeting and involved in these things for over a decade.
00:27:43.260Whether or not it was a planned intelligence services operation, I think part of the demoralization campaign is the knowledge that if you just let enough of these people in, this will happen pretty regularly.
00:27:55.040So I do think this is all part and parcel of what the elites plan.
00:27:59.860At the very minimum, you can say on the intelligence point, is that, you know, the point I made earlier,
00:28:06.000if they applied the same focus on Islam as they do to write, they would have caught him, because the intelligence...
00:28:11.860He was literally posting, oh, I'm probably going to end up killing people.
00:28:14.820The German intelligence services take out people with mildly right-wing views all the time.
00:28:20.340Oh yeah, and they're crazy as well, like raiding people's houses.
00:29:19.020Like, there's no sentimental attachment to Germany as Germany in and of itself, you know, because, like, if I went, like, you know, I love Greece, man.
00:29:31.640And if I went to Greece and for some reason the Greek state was giving me jib and I wasn't getting what I wanted from the Greek state, I would never think, right, I need to take this out on the Greek people, right?
00:46:46.800And the only question is making the elites want it.
00:46:49.660And that's a combination of either some circulation of the elites, but actually the existing elites will also do it the moment it's in their interest.
00:47:39.300And every argument you can put against it, I'm just saying, if you change the incentive structures, like the one that I always hear is the human rights lawyers.
00:47:46.700If you change the incentives for how it operates, the human rights lawyers will fall in line.
00:47:52.160So what you could do is you could just put in place a framework for doing remigration fairly.
00:52:49.640And I tell you, man, like, everyone says this about Germans, but, like, it is genuinely true that, like, the Germans, this, this, everything that is pro-German is Nazi, is so close to the surface in the German mind.
00:53:07.120It's very difficult for them to get past it.
00:53:09.140Like, as soon as the Second World War ended, the Allied governments basically just went, okay, we've got to brainwash you into not being Nazis.
00:53:16.240And this is the long-lasting effects of that.
00:53:18.680And then they went, hmm, this actually, this really works.
00:53:21.940I wonder if the rest of Europe can get this treatment as well.
00:53:24.600I spent some time in Germany in my early 20s.
00:53:27.380And every time I met a German, within, like, the first 10 minutes of knowing them, they would engineer into the conversation that they thought Nazis were bad.
01:12:46.900Yeah, so this is another case where, like in the first segment, while we have a better idea in the first segment of the Magdeburg Killer's motives, with this, you really, when you have strangers amongst you who are not of your culture, of your people, you really just don't understand them.
01:13:09.660And you can't predict what they're going to do, and oftentimes, you just won't be safe around them.
01:13:16.020And sadly, in New York, that seems to be how it operates now.
01:13:20.040This is part and parcel of living in a modern, diverse, multicultural city.
01:13:24.040And the incentives that have been put in place by public spectacles, like the Daniel Penney trial, are that if you do see something, don't do anything.
01:13:33.900Because you might get charged, you might get in trouble, your face is going to be the one plastered across all of the newspapers, your name is going to be dragged through the mud.
01:13:42.440So are you saying that he was arrested because afterwards he tried to put her out?