The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1075

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Loadseaters. Today is Thursday the 9th of January and this is

00:00:06.240 episode 1075. I'm your host Elios and I'm joined by Josh. Hello! And we're gonna discuss Zuckerberg

00:00:15.580 announcing the end of censorship, Trump's obsession with Canada and Greenland and Andrew Tate running

00:00:22.080 for president. A lot of people talk about the fires. We are gonna talk about them tomorrow.

00:00:26.880 The fires in Los Angeles, what I mean. And without further ado, should we begin? We may as well,

00:00:33.500 why not? A little foray into the news, shall we? So, Mark Zuckerberg recently made an announcement

00:00:40.160 that his two companies, Facebook and Instagram, are going to be taking greater measures to protect,

00:00:46.080 and I quote here, free expression. I'll believe it when I see it personally, but the video is

00:00:52.620 actually very interesting. And I think that there's a lot of information in this five-minute

00:00:57.540 video that we can unpack that is quite rich because, of course, there are lots of different

00:01:02.200 factors here. One of the explicit reasons he actually says he's doing this is the recent election,

00:01:08.740 and that is, of course, the election of Donald Trump. And it's interesting that he just openly

00:01:12.620 says, well, Trump's been elected, so we're changing our policies, because that seems like something that

00:01:17.840 you wouldn't necessarily choose to do if you wanted to save face, because it makes it sound like you've

00:01:22.160 been made to do it. However, I'm going to break down why he might be saying that, and I'm going to,

00:01:27.440 you know, play the video a little bit in sections, and we're going to talk about the implications of

00:01:31.880 each thing he's saying, because there's a lot of important things there. And, of course, it's worth

00:01:36.380 mentioning as well. As of November of 2024, Facebook had just over 3 billion monthly active users,

00:01:43.840 and Instagram had 2 billion as of April of 2024. And, of course, assuming that he is being genuine

00:01:51.180 about what they are going to do, and isn't misrepresenting what is actually going to happen,

00:01:57.180 which is possible, that is going to be a huge thing, and a very large section of the internet

00:02:02.520 that is going to go a very similar way to Elon Musk's ex-formally Twitter. There's going to be

00:02:08.500 more avenues of potential free speech platforms. Is it going to be to the same degree as

00:02:13.660 Elon Musk owning Twitter? I don't know. I don't think there's the same appetite. And there's

00:02:20.600 also the fact, of course, that Elon Musk did suspend some accounts that disagreed with him,

00:02:24.760 which I don't agree with. But why is it happening now? And one of the things I've done here is

00:02:31.820 included a tweet, merely because I would forget how I put it previously, not to be, you know,

00:02:38.040 patting myself on the back, just like that was a good one, because it wasn't really. But it's,

00:02:41.820 social media firms have a strong incentive to cozy up to Trump, facing large-scale regulations and

00:02:46.940 hefty fines from Europe. Also, Zuckerberg explicitly mentions this, as well as countries like China

00:02:54.140 outright banning them. And we'll talk about this in a bit more detail. Trump might help them avoid

00:02:58.360 these penalties, but my worry is how much influence they'll have on his administration in return.

00:03:03.520 And that's something that I want to sort of continue to identify, because the allegiance of

00:03:09.600 the tech bros, as people call them, I think it's a bit of a lame name, don't give them that level of

00:03:15.140 credibility. The tech nerds is probably better. They've all aligned with Trump now. And why has

00:03:22.840 it come now, rather than over the past eight years, when Trump was potentially running for office,

00:03:27.940 right? Well, I don't think they've suddenly all changed their mind about Donald Trump's character.

00:03:33.520 I think it's just that he can offer them something that the Democrats couldn't. And we'll be getting

00:03:39.680 on to that soon enough. So here is the video of a newly human Mark Zuckerberg, you know, all of that

00:03:48.300 working out. He's been doing martial arts. He did that really cool photo op where he was on like a,

00:03:53.420 was it like a wakeboard being dragged around and he had the American flag or something like that.

00:03:58.220 I haven't seen it. He's in like in a tuxedo holding the American flag with sunglasses on.

00:04:03.560 It's just like, okay, that's kind of cool. I'll give you that. Probably been deliberately helping

00:04:09.220 repair his image because people speculating on the one hand, whether you're a robot on the other,

00:04:14.780 whether you're a reptile, isn't the best PR I've heard. No, it's not. But I'm going to play the first

00:04:21.360 40 seconds here. And of course, tell me what you make of it in the comments as well. But we'll be

00:04:28.060 breaking it down too. So here we are. Hey, everyone. I want to talk about something important

00:04:33.900 today because it's time to get back to our roots around free expression on Facebook and Instagram.

00:04:39.380 I started building social media to give people a voice. I gave a speech at Georgetown five years ago

00:04:44.940 about the importance of protecting free expression. And I still believe this today. But a lot has

00:04:50.180 happened over the last several years. There's been widespread debate about potential harms from

00:04:55.000 online content. Governments and legacy media have pushed to censor more and more. A lot of this is

00:05:01.180 clearly political. But there's also a lot of legitimately bad stuff out there. Drugs, terrorism,

00:05:06.800 child exploitation. These are things that we take very seriously. And I want to make sure that we

00:05:11.240 handle responsibly. Okay, so there are a few things I picked out here. The first of which is get back to

00:05:18.020 our roots. And of course, this is a tacit admission that they have strayed from the path of free

00:05:22.720 expression, because he introduces that as being their roots. And so in so doing, he's sort of in

00:05:28.340 a more polite way to himself, saying that, listen, we went a bit too far. Please forgive us, isn't he?

00:05:35.140 And of course, it's worth mentioning as well, that as a practical example of this, on January 6,

00:05:42.280 they removed the video of Donald Trump saying go home and be peaceful. Which, of course, allowed

00:05:48.660 politicians later on down the line to say it was encouraged by him, even though what he did do was

00:05:54.280 release statements on all of the platforms he had access to, telling them to be peaceful and to go home.

00:06:02.260 Right. So I think there are several things to unpack here. And the whole video is very rich for

00:06:06.820 interpretation. One thing is to say that what he says is an admission that free expression was curtailed.

00:06:15.040 He admits it. But he also says, I wanted to give people a voice without saying a voice about what,

00:06:21.620 in order to give the impression that he, his principles were pro free speech.

00:06:26.560 I also interpreted that as to say that he's not necessarily the one calling the shots 100%,

00:06:31.760 which I can definitely believe that, you know, I don't think it's Mark Zuckerberg looking at some

00:06:37.940 small account saying, you know what, shut them down.

00:06:40.420 Well, I think he's got a big team around him and, you know, they might be doing stuff that he doesn't

00:06:45.940 want them to. And also, does he really have 100% control over his own company?

00:06:51.620 I don't know to what extent he controls his company or not, but he is trying to give the idea,

00:06:57.040 the impression that he was against it, but it happened against his will.

00:07:01.080 Personally, I'm not, I'm a bit suspicious when I hear people saying this.

00:07:05.040 And also, I think that one of the reasons why a lot of the people, you know, within quotation marks

00:07:10.160 were called tech bros, are making statements of the sort is because they want to somehow

00:07:15.160 give the impression that as a lobby, they don't have the amount of power that they actually have.

00:07:21.820 And also, of course, if they cozy themselves up to Trump, a lot of them rely on selling people's

00:07:28.360 data to advertisers, particularly Facebook. That's how it makes its money. And so there are lots of

00:07:33.380 privacy concerns around that kind of business model. And if they're like, well, we're for free

00:07:37.520 speech, it sort of sanitizes this practice in a way.

00:07:40.720 Yeah, exactly. And let me just add something about the tech industry. The tech industry requires

00:07:46.520 a lot of raw minerals. A lot of them come from Ukraine, and others come from the, from me,

00:07:53.740 come from Greenland, as we're going to talk about in the next segment.

00:07:56.440 A bit of foreshadowing. But it is worth mentioning as well, that he uses the term explicitly

00:08:02.860 online harms. And in the UK, we have an online harms bill. And this is also the language of

00:08:09.200 the European Union. And so by using that word, he's sort of implying that he is on board with

00:08:18.320 what Europe is trying to do. He's like, listen, I understand there's some bad stuff, and we're

00:08:22.260 trying our best to remove it. So what he's trying to do is basically play both sides. He's saying,

00:08:26.320 I'm for free expression, but I recognize there are online harms. So he's trying to navigate this

00:08:30.900 tightrope between placating America and placating Europe. And by that, he means the political

00:08:38.440 establishments, not necessarily the people in the countries, right? Because I don't think people

00:08:42.740 in Europe are clamoring for online censorship. It's mainly politicians, so it can give them an

00:08:47.920 ability to exert control.

00:08:49.240 And the same applied for politicians in the US before.

00:08:53.320 Exactly. And, you know, it also gives them a lot of power, these European countries, because

00:09:01.600 and he states it's political. And he says, if you can threaten, no, I say, if you can threaten a

00:09:08.040 company with large fines, or a refusal to do business in that country, it basically allows

00:09:13.480 you to have negotiation power over what they can show. And so if they can punish the company

00:09:18.940 financially for, you know, platforming people that they disagree with, then they will do

00:09:24.980 so. And that's what's going on here. I think it's exerting power over this company by trying

00:09:31.580 to get them to do what they want politically, is what's going on with Europe in particular.

00:09:36.440 And if we quickly go to this before coming back here, Brussels, of course, which is where

00:09:42.140 the EU is based, fines Facebook parent company, 800 million euros, which is a lot of money.

00:09:48.440 And I imagine that is a point of concern for Mark Zuckerberg. And he's obviously also right

00:09:54.780 about the, there is some bad stuff out there that the vast majority of people don't want

00:09:59.900 to see. And I think him talking about child exploitation and terrorism, and I imagine what

00:10:06.140 he means by terrorism isn't necessarily, you know, we want to cover up that it happens more

00:10:10.360 so some of the videos you see sometimes, unfortunately, doing the rounds of the gruesome ways in which

00:10:15.700 people have died. And I think that it's important for people who are journalists to be able to see

00:10:21.440 that sort of thing. However, I don't think it should just pop up on people's feeds when they don't

00:10:26.540 want to see it. I think that that's a reasonable balance between the two.

00:10:30.860 Here, we are not talking about just someone expressing a critical view of the establishment

00:10:34.960 that being we're talking about the real thing. Exactly. And so let's carry on with this. And

00:10:41.040 this is a little bit of a shorter bit. But there's also a lot to so we built a lot of complex systems

00:10:47.240 to moderate content. But the problem with complex systems is they make mistakes. Even if they

00:10:52.940 accidentally censor just 1% of posts, that's millions of people. And we've reached a point where

00:10:58.920 it's just too many mistakes and too much censorship. The recent elections also feel like a cultural

00:11:04.880 tipping point towards once again prioritizing speech. So we're going to get back to our roots

00:11:09.620 and focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies, and restoring free expression

00:11:15.180 on our platforms. More specifically, here's what we're going to do.

00:11:19.800 So one thing that is the most important to point out here

00:11:22.920 is he describes censoring people's opinions as mistakes. But the people within Meta, within

00:11:31.300 Facebook and Instagram, knew what they were doing and did it willingly. It wasn't a mistake.

00:11:36.960 I think that this is very clever reframing. Because he can say, well, in hindsight, they were mistakes.

00:11:43.440 I didn't want to do this necessarily. But it happened. So Zuckerberg can save face whilst

00:11:49.740 also suggesting that these things weren't deliberate choices. Of course, we know with the Twitter

00:11:55.900 files that the FBI was requesting people censor very small accounts that were critical of certain

00:12:04.620 aspects of the Biden administration. And that's very insidious. Of course, we don't know whether

00:12:11.580 that's going on with Facebook because they've not said. But I'd be very surprised if it hadn't.

00:12:17.800 Yeah. And that they weren't censoring people on behalf of governments.

00:12:21.900 Well, he's trying to just minimize it.

00:12:23.880 Mm-hmm. Yeah. And he also says, we built a lot of complex systems, that specific phrase,

00:12:30.000 which makes it sound very computational. But there is, of course, a human element to this. A lot of

00:12:34.320 these choices were made by human beings. But it makes it sound like it's just our, you know,

00:12:39.440 our algorithm made a mistake. That's not how it works.

00:12:42.200 Yeah. And yeah. Skynet.

00:12:45.700 He does at least admit they have made mistakes. And I think it's also interesting, again, that he

00:12:52.920 mentions the US election. I know I said that at the start. But if you're trying to be really

00:12:57.160 corporate and uncontroversial and try and please both sides to make money, you wouldn't necessarily

00:13:01.680 say that. And so what it makes me think is that he's signaling to the Trump administration that they

00:13:06.600 wish to have some sort of working relationship.

00:13:08.660 And imagine that this onus comes from the fact that there's going to be a vacancy where the

00:13:13.940 Biden administration was basically telling them what to do. And what Zuckerberg probably wants to

00:13:18.680 do here by cozying up to Trump is saying, listen, if we do what you want in terms of keeping our

00:13:24.900 platform relatively pro-free speech, then you can help us fight China censoring Facebook and Instagram

00:13:33.140 and also Europe coming after us with big fines. And, you know, I think Trump is probably the guy to do

00:13:39.740 that for him as well.

00:13:41.520 Yeah. I mean, they're exchanging extra influence for them, for the tech bros, in exchange for the

00:13:48.040 image of Trump as liberating the society of America.

00:13:51.860 Exactly.

00:13:52.360 As creating that wave of liberation and maximizing civil liberties.

00:13:57.420 Right. I've been doing a lot of talking. I need to do more video.

00:14:00.420 First, we're going to get rid of fact checkers and replace them with community notes similar to X,

00:14:05.920 starting in the US. After Trump first got elected in 2016, the legacy media wrote nonstop about how

00:14:13.320 misinformation was a threat to democracy. We tried in good faith to address those concerns without

00:14:18.660 becoming the arbiters of truth. But the fact checkers have just been too politically biased

00:14:23.860 and have destroyed more trust than they've created, especially in the US. So over the next couple

00:14:29.120 of months, we're going to phase in a more comprehensive community notes system.

00:14:33.240 So there are a few things here that I wanted to pick up on. His use of the term legacy media

00:14:39.120 is interesting because this is a sort of dog whistle to right wing spheres, isn't it?

00:14:43.980 Yeah.

00:14:44.220 As a way of denigrating the mainstream media. It's a way to appeal to Trump supporters, basically.

00:14:48.960 And I find it interesting that he says,

00:14:50.680 we tried in good faith to address concerns about misinformation, right? That about misinformation

00:14:56.180 wasn't the direct quote, but that's what he's talking about. And of course, Twitter was censoring

00:15:00.580 people on behalf of the intelligence agencies and the Biden administration. But he talks

00:15:07.280 about the media wanting to censor people, which, you know, insulting the media with their popularity

00:15:13.440 as it is, is not something that's necessarily going to have much pushback in the same way

00:15:18.420 as him saying, actually, we're told to censor it by the government. And so he's pointed to something

00:15:24.840 that's more socially acceptable whilst avoiding something that would be more useful to society,

00:15:31.760 which sort of suggests that he's going along with this for self-interested reasons rather

00:15:37.300 than out of principle.

00:15:39.200 It's not exactly like Facebook wasn't a mainstream platform.

00:15:44.260 I know, yeah.

00:15:44.740 At least the way it was operating.

00:15:46.380 He also admits that fact checkers are too politically biased and have destroyed more

00:15:51.220 trust than they have created, which is true. And he also mentions the X style of community

00:15:55.600 notes, which is actually quite a significant thing because it's a huge admission that they

00:16:00.340 work. And that's good because I think the community notes aspect of Elon Musk's X is the

00:16:06.460 best aspect of it. And I think the community notes easily, I don't know whether this is your

00:16:10.300 experience, is the best improvement other than the sort of democratization of the platform

00:16:15.180 more generally, removing the censorship.

00:16:17.220 Yeah, I think they're helping, especially on X. Community notes are good. Occasionally,

00:16:22.900 sometimes they're horribly bad. But it's better than nothing.

00:16:26.700 Exactly.

00:16:27.740 Second, we're going to simplify our content policies and get rid of a bunch of restrictions

00:16:32.440 on topics like immigration and gender that are just out of touch with mainstream discourse.

00:16:38.060 What started as a movement to be more inclusive has increasingly been used to shut down opinions

00:16:43.600 and shut out people with different ideas. And it's gone too far. So I want to make sure

00:16:48.580 that people can share their beliefs and experiences on our platforms.

00:16:52.060 So I think that it's interesting here that he says the content policies on immigration and

00:16:58.720 gender are out of touch with mainstream discourse. That's an admission that discourse has moved

00:17:03.500 rightward, really, isn't it? Because those topics weren't forbidden on the right. In fact,

00:17:08.500 they were our avenues of attack towards the left. So the fact that they're saying they're out of

00:17:13.920 touch is simply that we're no longer enforcing... That was a nice voice crack, wasn't it?

00:17:17.600 Yeah. We're no longer enforcing the hegemonic will of the left because we recognize we've got

00:17:23.060 new masters, basically. And one thing I did find interesting is that he's sort of twisting the knife

00:17:30.680 on woke a bit there by saying what started out as a movement to be more inclusive has increasingly

00:17:35.940 been used to shut down discourse and shut out people. And it has gone too far. And the it has gone

00:17:41.000 too far is the most forceful thing that he says in the whole speech. And although it sounds a little

00:17:47.500 bit manufactured, I think that it's interesting that he's placing a lot of emphasis on this. This

00:17:55.360 might be courting the right again.

00:17:57.660 I think it is. And it's important in a way. I'll believe the changes when I see them, just like you

00:18:03.540 said in the beginning. But it's quite a thing when someone like Zuckerberg, who owns Facebook

00:18:09.780 and administrates it, if I'm not mistaken, when he makes out an admission of the sort.

00:18:15.840 Yeah, well, he's one of the most powerful people in the world, isn't he?

00:18:18.760 It is sort of a paradigm shift.

00:18:22.040 It is, yeah. And so let's carry on.

00:18:25.800 Third, we're changing how we enforce our policies to reduce the mistakes that account for the vast

00:18:31.440 majority of censorship on our platforms. We used to have filters that scanned for any policy

00:18:36.840 violation. Now we're going to focus those filters on tackling illegal and high severity violations.

00:18:43.300 And for lower severity violations, we're going to rely on someone reporting an issue before we take

00:18:48.360 action. The problem is that the filters make mistakes, and they take down a lot of content that

00:18:53.480 they shouldn't. So by dialing them back, we're going to dramatically reduce the amount of censorship

00:18:58.300 on our platforms. We're also going to tune our content filters to require much higher confidence

00:19:05.060 before taking down content. The reality is that this is a trade-off. It means we're going to catch

00:19:10.740 less bad stuff, but we'll also reduce the number of innocent people's posts and accounts that we

00:19:16.060 accidentally take down.

00:19:18.880 So, I think that what he's doing here in this part is sort of going along that tightrope between

00:19:26.300 America and Europe. He's doing two things by focusing on illegal and more severe violations.

00:19:31.720 He reassures European regulators that more resources will be directed to enforcing the law on their

00:19:37.040 platform, which is how they're framing the money grab and the grab for control over his companies.

00:19:44.020 And without sounding like he'll censor things in a way that would annoy Trump supporters.

00:19:49.320 And so it's quite clever, really. I mean, although it's relatively obvious if you follow politics,

00:19:53.760 that this is the thing to do with your company to navigate that difficult path between either side

00:20:00.380 of the Atlantic.

00:20:01.340 He made two different statements there. On the one hand, he phrased it as bad and good stuff.

00:20:06.920 But on the other, he said about less severe violations and less severe violations.

00:20:12.000 When we focus on the violations bit, it means that the content policies won't change.

00:20:17.580 They are going to be there. It's just that they are going to go after the severe violations,

00:20:22.620 which is a reason for skepticism as far as I'm concerned.

00:20:26.360 Yeah. And it's also worth mentioning as well that he discusses the fact that reporting someone

00:20:30.840 could still lead to the post removal and to suspensions. It's just not automatic anymore.

00:20:36.820 Someone has to report you and then something happens and therefore it could be the case

00:20:42.300 that people will cotton on to the fact that, oh, if I report stuff I don't like, it might

00:20:46.300 be removed automatically, which creates the same situation more or less that existed in

00:20:52.140 the first place and could reverse everything.

00:20:54.140 So the sort of devil is in the detail here, even though he does say the threshold will

00:20:58.160 be higher for things being removed, which, you know, if you make that claim publicly, you've

00:21:04.020 got to back it up with something. If it's the same, then it's going to be embarrassing.

00:21:09.720 But anyway.

00:21:10.620 We're bringing back civic content. For a while, the community asked to see less politics because

00:21:15.880 it was making people stressed. So we stopped recommending these posts. But it feels like

00:21:20.680 we're in a new era now, and we're starting to get feedback that people want to see this

00:21:24.640 content again. So we're going to start phasing this back into Facebook, Instagram, and threads

00:21:29.620 while working to keep the communities friendly and positive. Fifth, we're going to move our

00:21:35.660 trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California. And our U.S.-based content

00:21:41.340 review is going to be based in Texas. As we work to promote free expression, I think that

00:21:46.540 will help us build trust to do this work in places where there is less concern about the bias of our

00:21:51.860 teams.

00:21:53.200 So there are lots of interesting things here that I wanted to break down. I know I'm going a little

00:21:56.720 bit over time, but I'm going to keep it quick. So the reintroduction of political content to his

00:22:02.600 platforms could either be a good or bad thing, depending on how they do it. And he hasn't really

00:22:06.420 given much information about how it's going to go about. So you kind of need to see more

00:22:11.480 information. You might have some opinions about just generally, do people want to see, is it

00:22:16.820 appealing to the right kinds of people to see this sort of content? But it's just difficult

00:22:21.260 to say now because we don't know what's going to happen. And I think moving their team out

00:22:25.740 of California to Texas is the funniest aspect of this, because the intention is, without explicitly

00:22:33.180 saying, that a Texas-based team will be less censorious than a California-based team, right?

00:22:37.720 Note that he also states that they're moving there because people will be less concerned

00:22:42.640 about the team-based there, not because they'll be better. So that's a little bit of a slip-up

00:22:49.840 on whoever wrote his speech for him, because if you've got the right set of ears, you can

00:22:55.240 hear that he's saying, I'm more concerned about perception than I am actual results, which

00:23:00.340 is important. And also, of course, Texas is more pro-business, and lots of Californians

00:23:06.040 are fleeing there anyway. So if you wanted your Californians with Texas laws, you can

00:23:11.260 do that. And so it doesn't necessarily mean that anything is going to change. So this is

00:23:16.520 the final part now. So you're almost free from having to look at Mark Zuckerberg. I'm

00:23:20.520 sorry. Finally. Sorry. Yeah, go ahead.

00:23:23.160 No, no. I just wanted to add that this is, I would say, a blow to the image of Gavin

00:23:29.560 Newsom as someone who is good, economically speaking, for California. Because in our circles,

00:23:35.960 if you say anything positive about Gavin Newsom in California, everyone say you're mad.

00:23:43.060 And you are.

00:23:43.840 And you are. But a lot of Democrats think that for some reason that he has been exceptionally

00:23:49.700 good for California economy. Well, it's because California's got, you know, they've got a lot

00:23:55.420 of business there. But it's not because Gavin Newsom has made it so. It's that he inherited

00:24:00.120 a good situation. Yeah. But this is a blow in the public image. And as you said, images

00:24:05.720 of paramount importance here.

00:24:08.100 We're going to work with President Trump to push back on governments around the world

00:24:12.540 that are going after American companies and pushing to censor more. The U.S. has the strongest

00:24:18.200 constitutional protections for free expression in the world. Europe has an ever increasing

00:24:23.300 number of laws institutionalizing censorship and making it difficult to build anything

00:24:27.700 innovative there. Latin American countries have secret courts that can order companies

00:24:32.960 to quietly take things down. China has censored our apps from even working in the country.

00:24:39.040 The only way that we can push back on this global trend is with the support of the U.S.

00:24:43.640 government. And that's why it's been so difficult over the past four years

00:24:48.080 when even the U.S. government has pushed for censorship. By going after us and other American

00:24:53.300 companies, it has emboldened other governments to go even further. But now we have the opportunity

00:24:59.100 to restore free expression. And I am excited to take it. It'll take time to get this right.

00:25:05.340 And these are complex systems. They're never going to be perfect. There's also a lot of illegal

00:25:09.980 stuff that we still need to work very hard to remove. But the bottom line is that after years

00:25:16.180 of having our content moderation work focus primarily on removing content, it is time to focus on

00:25:22.000 reducing the stakes, simplifying our systems, and getting back to our roots about giving people voice.

00:25:28.320 I'm looking forward to this next chapter. Stay good out there, and more to come soon.

00:25:32.440 Okay, so there's less to object to here, I think, but the questions are more about his intentions.

00:25:41.020 Do I think that Mark Zuckerberg is doing all of this purely for the preservation of free expression

00:25:47.780 for the American people and the other users of his websites and apps? No. I think it's that

00:25:55.960 these other countries are limiting their potential to make profit, and that's what's driving it.

00:26:02.120 Maybe I'm cynical. I mean, Zuckerberg has said some things publicly that were controversial.

00:26:08.660 Like, he talked about how he personally didn't object to people denying the Holocaust on Facebook,

00:26:17.160 which is a very bold thing to say publicly. But it at least suggests some degree of understanding

00:26:25.240 of the problem, whether he was saying this to try and placate people in the past, I don't know.

00:26:29.820 But maybe there is some belief there. I don't want to be unfair, necessarily.

00:26:35.280 But yes, it seems like the ragging on Europe for being censorious and Latin America for being corrupt,

00:26:42.580 and China for blocking them entirely, that's fair. I don't think I can object to that much.

00:26:47.420 And I also think it's interesting that he did refer explicitly then to the Biden regime censoring,

00:26:51.740 which at the very end is good, but a lot of the meat and potatoes is out of the way,

00:26:56.960 and it's sort of like sweeping it under the rug a little bit by mentioning it right at the end.

00:27:00.920 And two final things I wanted to mention before I finish up is that Meta says fact-checkers were the problem,

00:27:09.620 and then fact-checkers rule it false, and that fact-checking groups have fact-checked Mark Zuckerberg's claim about fact-checkers,

00:27:17.660 and they found him false, because they want to have a job, and he disagrees.

00:27:23.120 And then it's also worth mentioning as well, I don't know how true this is,

00:27:25.880 the International Fact-Checking Network, which I didn't even know existed,

00:27:29.380 has convened an emergency meeting of its members tomorrow following Meta's announcement

00:27:33.380 that it will end third-party fact-checking partnerships in the US.

00:27:36.880 And they were basically propping up the industry, and so this means that a lot of fact-checkers are going to go out of business,

00:27:42.220 which is music to my ears, if this is true, because I hate fact-checkers.

00:27:49.080 It's basically saying my version of reality is true and yours is wrong, even though they're no more valid.

00:27:55.040 And I hate that one.

00:27:56.640 Yes, exactly.

00:27:58.340 And so if everything Zuckerberg says is as it seems, this is a very positive development,

00:28:04.820 however, we're obviously both very cynical about his intentions,

00:28:09.500 and the legitimacy of the pursuit of these things, I think it might well be motivated by money.

00:28:14.740 Doesn't mean it won't necessarily get better, but that's what seems to be happening.

00:28:20.480 We have some rumble comments.

00:28:23.160 Hang on, my monitor is turned off.

00:28:25.160 Mine as well.

00:28:25.900 Sorry, that segment went on a bit longer than I intended.

00:28:28.640 I thought it'd be quicker, but...

00:28:29.740 I really liked it, so...

00:28:31.300 Well, thank you.

00:28:34.100 So Dragon Lady Chris says,

00:28:35.560 I'm so sorry you cannot aspire to the fog life, Josh.

00:28:38.120 I know you can handle it, but when we have your bark, just watch out, dude,

00:28:43.600 you're going to be put on a list.

00:28:45.860 Are these all references to my daily video where I talked about playing classical music to criminals?

00:28:53.080 If so, that was well done, and I appreciate the puns there.

00:28:57.220 Dad joke worthy there.

00:28:58.340 Mum joke, perhaps.

00:29:01.520 Cranky Texan says,

00:29:02.960 There is a censorship industrial complex.

00:29:05.100 Mike Benz has been fighting it for years.

00:29:07.420 See his appearance on Joe Rogan for a great summary of his work.

00:29:09.920 I've actually seen it.

00:29:11.060 But thank you for the suggestion.

00:29:13.820 Hero San Shaban says,

00:29:16.400 Mark Zuckerberg colluded with the FBI and government.

00:29:18.860 Isn't that fascism?

00:29:20.680 Jail for life is up, and all the FBI agents and assets.

00:29:23.680 That would be nice, wouldn't it?

00:29:24.940 Hey, but unfortunately, we don't live in a world where justice exists.

00:29:30.020 Johnny Logo says,

00:29:31.500 It's good that Meta has partly changed its stance due to Trump's presidency.

00:29:34.500 It's a small win for freedom for the individual and public discourse.

00:29:37.640 Now it's just the issue we have at home and the EU.

00:29:41.180 That's a very nice summary.

00:29:42.200 Thank you.

00:29:42.580 Right, to my European friends, wherever they are,

00:29:48.120 MAGA is not going to save Europe.

00:29:50.720 Europe requires MAGA.

00:29:52.880 Right, we're going to talk about Trump's obsession with Canada and Greenland,

00:29:57.000 and whether we are going to talk about whether his rhetoric has gone too far.

00:30:00.780 And also whether what lies behind some of his statements and his aspirations.

00:30:06.600 He published a map here where Canada appears to be one of the states of the U.S.

00:30:15.440 And other people also include Greenland here.

00:30:19.000 They're saying that it's a manifest destiny 2.0.

00:30:22.340 They say it's the Greater America Project.

00:30:24.420 And there's a lot of discourse regarding this.

00:30:28.640 And as you can understand, Twitter is full of discussion about this,

00:30:32.720 and a lot of people like it.

00:30:34.460 And let us talk a bit about Canada first, and then go to Greenland.

00:30:39.060 So there were several people who were focusing on Justin Trudeau's answer.

00:30:45.420 Justin Trudeau said that we are not going to talk about this merger.

00:30:51.060 Elon Musk went there and says,

00:30:52.780 Girl, you're not the governor of Canada anymore, so it doesn't matter what you say.

00:30:57.100 So he's repeating Trump, calling him the governor of Canada.

00:31:00.760 Yes.

00:31:02.140 Then we had some people from Canada saying that,

00:31:12.580 well, it's our weakness that makes Trump and Elon Musk and other people talk to us like that.

00:31:18.340 And here we have a really good answer by Pierre Pauliever,

00:31:22.480 who says Canada will never be the 51st state, period.

00:31:25.420 We're a great and independent country.

00:31:27.380 And he says essentially that our weak and pathetic liberal government

00:31:31.060 has failed to make these points obvious.

00:31:33.700 And says when he is prime minister,

00:31:35.660 he is going to rebuild the military and take back control of the border

00:31:38.800 to secure both Canada and the U.S.

00:31:41.000 So he is talking in a different tone than Trudeau is.

00:31:44.860 But he says that, you know, I'm not going to talk about it.

00:31:48.200 Well, Trudeau's failure is his victory, really.

00:31:51.340 And whether he will actually achieve those things in any satisfactory way

00:31:55.240 to the Canadian patriots, I suppose, remains to be seen.

00:32:01.000 I'm personally not convinced.

00:32:03.520 I think that he's a little bit too centre-right to be able to do the things to an agreeable degree.

00:32:13.260 So basically you think that maybe he is going to be a light Trudeau on issues like immigration, is that?

00:32:19.180 Perhaps, yeah.

00:32:20.260 Let's see.

00:32:21.260 We'll have to see.

00:32:22.160 I think I prefer him to Trudeau and I hear a lot of people...

00:32:27.140 It's like, do you prefer a sandwich or a punch in the face?

00:32:30.280 Right, let's see.

00:32:31.300 But I do appreciate concerns with regard to his policies.

00:32:34.960 Now we go to the issue of Trump's rhetoric.

00:32:37.860 Because I think that when it comes to X, it's fun sometimes.

00:32:43.700 But I think that when you're a leader of a country, you have to be a bit more responsible.

00:32:50.860 And then you have the response, well, this is the negotiation of power.

00:32:55.200 This is the real estate manager speaking.

00:32:58.820 But when you care about nations, and a lot of nationalists should care about nations,

00:33:04.720 one of the main arguments is that nations aren't just businesses or economic zones.

00:33:09.200 So when you're talking to nationals and when you're talking with foreign nations,

00:33:14.580 I think you need to respect them a bit more.

00:33:17.260 That's my view.

00:33:18.120 Well, yeah.

00:33:19.260 It's like being a guest in someone else's country in a similar sort of way, isn't it?

00:33:23.240 Where you sort of follow their rules and behave yourself a bit more because you're not on your home turf anymore.

00:33:28.500 And I think Billboard Chris here is right to point out that this is how Trump negotiates.

00:33:33.420 He asks for something big to get something smaller because that's how you negotiate well.

00:33:39.400 But I'm very hesitant to believe that whatever he's negotiating for is worth saying these sorts of things.

00:33:47.860 But do carry on.

00:33:48.460 No, I think that on a Twitter level, on X level, it's fun to – it's occasionally fun.

00:33:55.460 But when we're talking about, you know, leadership level,

00:33:59.340 I think we need to have a much more responsible leadership and demand for more responsible leadership.

00:34:04.760 Because reality is not X, what's going on in X.

00:34:08.020 Now, let's go to Greenland.

00:34:09.140 We had Donald Trump Jr. visiting Greenland, landing on Greenland with a Trump airplane.

00:34:17.780 And he says Greenland is beautiful.

00:34:20.080 There were many videos regarding his visit.

00:34:23.700 And that wasn't the issue.

00:34:26.340 Trump refused to rule out the possibility of using military or economic coercion against Greenland,

00:34:34.700 the Panama Canal, and if I'm not mistaken, Canada.

00:34:38.240 Now, I think that, again, this is hyperbolic.

00:34:41.260 Very few people think that this is going to be – this is going to happen.

00:34:46.320 But let's play the clip.

00:34:50.020 Greenland and the Panama Canal, so what – can you assure the world that as you try to get control of these areas,

00:35:00.360 you are not going to use military or economic coercion?

00:35:03.840 No.

00:35:04.080 And can you tell us a little bit about what you're –

00:35:06.300 So I think that that's just Trump, you know, keeping all of his cards close to his chest.

00:35:11.820 You know, you don't rule out anything, particularly if you're trying to negotiate with someone

00:35:15.960 and you say, oh, yeah, by the way, we're not going to use military action.

00:35:21.360 We're not going to invade you.

00:35:22.400 Then all of a sudden the temperature comes down and it makes negotiation for, you know, what you want a little bit more difficult.

00:35:30.980 And Trump's a savvy businessman.

00:35:32.920 He, you know, out of the deal and all that.

00:35:35.600 And so that makes sense to him.

00:35:38.900 And I think that that's what's going on there.

00:35:40.380 I don't actually think he's going to use the American military to invade Greenland or Canada because it would be political suicide for a start,

00:35:50.200 as well as the fact that I think he's more interested in doing business than this sort of thing.

00:35:56.640 So I will give you a response after we play this short clip as well because I think that they're connected.

00:36:04.640 Well, we need Greenland for national security purposes.

00:36:08.280 I've been told that for a long time, long before I even ran.

00:36:11.680 I mean, people have been talking about it for a long time.

00:36:14.220 You have approximately 45,000 people there.

00:36:17.680 People really don't even know if Denmark has any legal right to it.

00:36:22.480 But if they do, they should give it up because we need it for national security.

00:36:26.240 That's for the free world.

00:36:27.340 I'm talking about protecting the free world.

00:36:29.520 You look at you don't even need binoculars.

00:36:32.520 You look outside, you have China ships all over the place.

00:36:36.880 You have Russian ships all over the place.

00:36:39.660 We're not letting that happen.

00:36:41.720 We're not letting it happen.

00:36:43.260 And if Denmark wants to get to a conclusion, but nobody knows if they even have any right title or interest.

00:36:50.480 The people are going to probably vote for independence or to come into the United States.

00:36:54.880 But if they did do that, then I would tariff Denmark at a very high level.

00:37:02.380 So he's using tariffs here as a sort of punishment because obviously a high tariff is going to be really damaging to Denmark's trade.

00:37:12.460 And the U.S. trades a lot with Europe.

00:37:14.060 And I think saying it's for national security purposes is a little bit of a red herring from Trump.

00:37:20.960 I don't actually believe what he's saying there.

00:37:23.400 Because, of course, the United States has military bases in lots of European countries.

00:37:27.700 They have plenty in the U.K.

00:37:29.280 They've got plenty in Germany.

00:37:31.220 I imagine they could come to some agreement with Denmark.

00:37:33.840 It's not like these military bases have caused any problems really in a lot of the host nations, maybe one or two.

00:37:39.000 But not to a degree to be concerned.

00:37:41.620 And so if they're worried about national security, surely they could just come to some sort of security agreement.

00:37:46.280 Because it's not like Denmark is aligned with China or Russia.

00:37:49.880 And so if there are security concerns in those respects for the United States, they're also concerns of Denmark.

00:37:57.160 They're shared.

00:37:57.600 And so I think what's probably going on here isn't that he needs the entirety of Greenland for national security.

00:38:05.760 What he actually wants is perhaps more influence in the region to be able to make more bases or have a better deal in that respect.

00:38:14.540 Because there is some use to it.

00:38:17.440 However, he's being a bit hyperbolic for, again, negotiation.

00:38:22.300 Now, I think you're correct.

00:38:25.140 And it's important to remember he talked about Russian ships and Chinese ships.

00:38:32.300 Now, we are going to talk about the new Arctic Silk Road in a bit.

00:38:36.220 But I want to say that when he's simultaneously talking about the national security purposes, which is, it's a lie, number one.

00:38:47.000 And you can use the national security rhetoric for a lot of...

00:38:52.080 I mean, Britain needs to invade France to secure its own borders.

00:38:57.420 I mean, you can make a very good argument for that.

00:38:59.360 But it doesn't mean that we should conquer all of France.

00:39:01.520 I know, I know.

00:39:02.700 There are a few people picking up the longbows.

00:39:04.660 But, you know, now is not the time, lads.

00:39:07.220 But also, I want to say, when you're talking about being the leader of the free world and you want to liaise with the free world,

00:39:13.600 it's better if you try to liaise on terms that respect your opponents rather than terms that generate resentment.

00:39:21.620 Now, I know to a lot of people this sounds wet.

00:39:23.620 I don't care.

00:39:24.520 This is how I think people think should be.

00:39:27.120 Well, I don't think it is in many ways.

00:39:28.820 If you are the United States and you alienate Europe by strong-arming territory out of them,

00:39:36.180 then all of a sudden Europe starts to see America as a potential political enemy.

00:39:41.040 Because you only need to look at how strongly Europe has reacted.

00:39:45.040 You know, we've put a lot of money and resources, despite what Trump said, into the Ukraine effort.

00:39:51.060 And I have my thoughts about that.

00:39:52.720 I think we've spent way too much on that.

00:39:54.840 And we have no allegiance to Ukraine.

00:39:57.980 It's just that our establishment really hates Russia.

00:40:01.280 And there's lots of financial interest for elites there.

00:40:04.240 But I think that if you start taking territory, Europe will turn against you.

00:40:12.640 Yes, and this is actually splitting the Western camp into...

00:40:16.900 It's fragmenting the Western camp.

00:40:18.980 You're not leading it.

00:40:20.080 You're basically just saying, I want more for my own.

00:40:22.900 And I'm just leaving the free world for...

00:40:25.720 So it's not the idea of the leadership of the free world that a lot of people have tried to capitalize on.

00:40:32.980 I would make the argument that having control over Greenland isn't worth alienating Europe

00:40:37.900 and Europe going its own way, so to speak.

00:40:41.280 And I think part of the reason is that if there was a strong Europe that was economically successful,

00:40:47.880 it could rival the United States.

00:40:49.460 In the same way that the United States is scared of China, was scared of Japan.

00:40:54.440 Scared of competition, basically.

00:40:56.180 And, you know, if you have a monopolistic power over countries, you do have advantages.

00:41:00.980 If you have the world's reserve currency, you have advantages.

00:41:04.800 And they don't want to lose these advantages.

00:41:06.980 And so by keeping potential competitors, that's why the United States played such a role in the destruction of the British Empire.

00:41:13.480 We were a competitor.

00:41:14.580 We were in the way of the United States hegemony of the world.

00:41:18.060 And so they stabbed us in the back.

00:41:20.180 And it isn't the American people that did that.

00:41:22.540 It was a select few people in the American government that did it.

00:41:25.620 But for that reason, and I think it's this same reason again.

00:41:31.100 But please go ahead.

00:41:32.640 Now, there were several European politicians who made statements.

00:41:37.200 And Emmanuel Macron is one of them.

00:41:39.480 I think also Olaf Scholz from Germany.

00:41:41.100 A lot of them said that we are going to defend Greenland if there is any kind of military action.

00:41:49.080 Now, personally, I don't think that there is going to be.

00:41:51.340 Just saying.

00:41:52.300 But still, I think...

00:41:53.060 So I'm not going to fight Americans for the sake of Greenland.

00:41:56.040 I don't want to fight Americans for any reason.

00:41:58.860 Let alone a country I don't care about.

00:42:01.000 Right.

00:42:02.700 So it's important to talk...

00:42:04.960 There is here a profile of Greenland that we have from the BBC.

00:42:10.120 You can find also other ones.

00:42:11.980 So there seems to be a claim that Denmark has.

00:42:16.520 It's not like Trump says that there isn't.

00:42:18.480 And they say that...

00:42:20.880 I've seen a lot of claims about the Inuit discovering Greenland in the BC.

00:42:29.380 2500 BC, I think, the figure that is banded around.

00:42:32.860 Yes.

00:42:33.500 But also they're saying that Denmark is from...

00:42:37.440 In 1982, Greenland is discovered by the Norwegian Eric the Red.

00:42:41.560 That's true, yeah.

00:42:42.480 Who calls his discovery Greenland to make it more attractive.

00:42:45.320 In 1986, he returns with settlers.

00:42:50.440 I mean, the names of Greenland and Iceland need to swap around, by the way.

00:42:54.880 Whoever named them got them around the wrong way.

00:42:57.640 Like, Iceland's got lots of green moss everywhere.

00:43:01.140 Obviously, it still gets icy and cold, but still.

00:43:03.540 Well, it says that there was a little ice age there

00:43:06.660 and temperatures fell significantly and the Norse settlements disappeared.

00:43:10.240 And then in 1721, there was an expedition led by the Danish-Norwegian missionary, Hans Egedessi,

00:43:17.660 that created a new Danish colony.

00:43:21.480 They established a new colony in the capital called Newark.

00:43:25.760 In 1940, Denmark is occupied by Germany during World War II.

00:43:29.880 Then in 1941 to 1945, the U.S. occupies Greenland to defend it against a possible invasion by Germany.

00:43:40.820 So, the defense of Greenland has been a huge issue for Denmark, we need to say this.

00:43:47.040 In 1950, Denmark agrees to allow the U.S. to regain the use of the Thule Air Base,

00:43:52.740 which is greatly expanded between 1951 and 1953 as part of a NATO Cold War defense strategy.

00:43:59.620 So, there are bases there. It's not that there aren't.

00:44:02.100 Yeah, and I don't see why Denmark and the U.S. won't cooperate on a lot of these things.

00:44:07.880 I think they both have something to gain by doing so.

00:44:11.380 And I think that there must be something that Trump's not telling us to make this all come together.

00:44:16.760 Because he's not stupid, I don't think.

00:44:18.400 I think that people might react more strongly than he might expect to this sort of thing.

00:44:25.720 And he might miscalculate that.

00:44:27.800 But he's obviously working towards something big here, isn't he, to do this.

00:44:31.660 So, in 1979, there was a referendum in Greenland.

00:44:36.520 And they voted for a kind of administrative independence.

00:44:41.500 And then they left the European Economic Community because they disagreed with the regulations over fishing and seal skin products.

00:44:51.060 And then the Greenlanders in 2008 vote in a referendum for more autonomy and greater control over energy resources.

00:45:00.500 And as you see, it goes like that.

00:45:03.200 So, there are some, Trump has offered to buy Greenland.

00:45:07.520 And it's not the only time in history that the U.S. has bought lands.

00:45:12.500 They bought, I think, the Louisiana from Napoleon, if I'm correct.

00:45:16.980 Also Manhattan, but also Alaska.

00:45:19.220 So, it's not the first time that talks about this occur.

00:45:23.460 Right, so, and in Greenland, there have been some people who are saying maybe we should go to the U.S., others who want to go to, who want to remain affiliated with Denmark.

00:45:34.740 I would say that they're quite a distinct country on their own, aren't they?

00:45:38.700 So, I could understand why they might want to be independent.

00:45:40.780 But then to go from, you know, Denmark to the U.S. seems unusual to my mind.

00:45:46.840 But then, you never know with these things.

00:45:48.780 I've never been to Greenland.

00:45:50.080 I don't know what they think.

00:45:51.200 Right, so, I have here a tweet by a friend of mine, Nagelos Koryanopoulos, who is talking a bit about Denmark.

00:45:58.460 And he's saying that, essentially, the rare minerals that Denmark, that Greenland has a very rich supply.

00:46:07.300 It always comes down to that, doesn't it?

00:46:08.620 Whenever there's any international contention about land, it's always over resources.

00:46:14.320 It's almost like all the politics is about resource acquisition or something.

00:46:17.400 And, for some reason, they're very much involved into the tech industry.

00:46:21.200 They're really needed into the tech industry.

00:46:24.620 So, we have here a map that was published in the Wall Street Journal that shows where, allegedly, there is a huge supply of iron, gold, uranium, zinc, copper, and other minerals.

00:46:38.080 I imagine the gold and uranium would be of interest, and potentially zinc.

00:46:44.300 But iron and copper, you know, are relatively common.

00:46:47.300 Gold is always useful.

00:46:48.640 Always useful, yeah.

00:46:50.340 I don't think anyone's going to turn down more gold mines.

00:46:52.280 Small parenthesis, just talk about Ukraine.

00:46:56.500 They're saying that Ukraine has also a really high supply of those minerals.

00:47:04.920 That's what it's all about, isn't it?

00:47:06.100 And one of the reasons why, we should remember that one of the reasons why the tech industry was so much involved into the narrative pro-Ukraine was also this.

00:47:14.340 Let us not forget Starlink's, Elon Musk's, Starlink's involvement into the defense of Ukrainians, weren't they?

00:47:24.060 Exactly, yes.

00:47:24.660 So, it's not exactly that, as some of our colleagues have said, that the U.S. was interested in gay rights for Ukraine.

00:47:33.900 Well, yeah, also Elon Musk, you know, runs Starlink.

00:47:37.460 He's part of the administration, and, you know, he was involved in protecting those Ukrainian resources that are going to be used by companies like Tesla.

00:47:46.020 Yeah, so, the thing is that we need to remember the reason why Trump is interested in this is primarily economical.

00:47:55.240 And it's economical for the U.S. because the tech industry is going to be the industry of the future.

00:48:03.500 It already is.

00:48:05.680 Right now, the vast majority of the resources for the minerals required for that industry are controlled by China and Russia.

00:48:15.380 We're getting a little bit better on that front, at least.

00:48:17.980 We're discovering lots of new resource deposits, and it's looking less likely, as well, that China's going to have hegemony over places like Central Africa

00:48:30.240 because they're finding working with Africans quite difficult, which is amusing.

00:48:34.660 And, yeah, I think it's not as set in stone as politicians might want to make it out to be.

00:48:41.040 We're not desperate for resources.

00:48:44.440 As far as I'm aware, maybe I'm missing something.

00:48:47.380 Yes, but still, there is a new trade route that is slowly but steadily opening up.

00:48:55.540 That's called the $240 billion Silk Road that a lot of people think is going to be the international trade route of the future.

00:49:05.700 Experts say the route could cut up to two weeks off the travel time for ships journeying from China to Europe.

00:49:13.080 That's going to be going north over Europe, I imagine, and past Russia.

00:49:17.760 Yes.

00:49:18.300 So the idea is that the ice in the Arctic Ocean is melting.

00:49:22.620 Here we have a really strong Russian icebreaker opening routes that can be used for extra, as trade routes as well.

00:49:33.980 I mean, it goes on across northern Canada as well, doesn't it?

00:49:37.560 Exactly.

00:49:38.140 So they're saying that this saves a lot of time for shipping companies.

00:49:46.880 And they say, for instance, that it could save up to 50% of the time to transport goods from China to the UK.

00:49:56.120 And that's a massive amount of economic efficiency.

00:49:58.780 That is, in economic terms, that is huge.

00:50:01.960 Exactly.

00:50:02.320 So they say the Arctic Silk Road is a £240 billion megaproject led by Russia and China, and it has been hailed as the future of international trade.

00:50:13.840 And the U.S. has to somehow respond to the opening of the trade routes, and they want increased presence in the region.

00:50:21.540 It's sort of area denial, isn't it?

00:50:23.320 If they're going to have this going over the north of Europe, then if the U.S. controls Greenland, and the U.K. has the other routes as well,

00:50:34.700 then they're basically a little bit stuck.

00:50:36.920 They have to be on our good side.

00:50:38.300 It gives us bargaining power over those countries, because we have the potential to damage their trade to a significant degree.

00:50:45.140 But also, if that trade route opens, and opens even more, and it's controlled by Russia and China, that will mean that, to a large degree,

00:50:56.740 the tech industry and the products in the tech industry that are rich in those minerals, that, to whatever degree, a lot of them are controlled by Russia and China,

00:51:07.760 that's going to give them more negotiational power over the tech industry of the U.S.

00:51:13.920 That's true, yeah.

00:51:14.860 So that's one of the reasons why they're involved into this.

00:51:17.880 And they say that the project also taps into the Arctic's immense natural resources,

00:51:23.340 which include oil and gas reserves estimated to be worth 28 trillion pounds.

00:51:28.540 Now, one thing to say is that I've heard a cynical, or not so cynical, geopolitical analyst who was saying that the only reason why the U.S. establishment was interested in promoting green energy and the net zero craze

00:51:50.680 was because there is a tremendous amount of resources underneath the ice.

00:51:55.900 So if the ice melts, that's going to give a tremendous amount of natural resources to Russia.

00:52:04.180 Or at least it's going to make them much more accessible to Russia.

00:52:07.980 I can believe it, actually, yeah.

00:52:09.360 They want to deny them potential wealth by making the Western countries less dependent on so-called fossil fuels.

00:52:16.320 Exactly.

00:52:16.820 And here we have clips to show you.

00:52:22.200 There's a Russian nuclear icebreaker fleet.

00:52:24.620 Russia has around 55, and the U.S. had two.

00:52:32.920 So it's worth mentioning...

00:52:34.400 These figures are from about a year ago.

00:52:36.180 It's worth mentioning as well that the Crimean War between Britain and Russia, part of the reason that that went on was that we wanted to deny the Russians a winter port,

00:52:51.240 because in the winter, obviously, Russia is cold, and a lot of the water freezes, and so it's difficult to get ships out.

00:52:57.060 And of course, in the past, that was more important.

00:52:59.480 Now they've got these icebreaking ships, and so they can manage it.

00:53:02.160 But it's still more useful to have a ship, you know, a port where it doesn't freeze over, militarily largely.

00:53:09.000 And so I think that that's certainly a part of it, isn't it?

00:53:14.160 Yeah.

00:53:14.580 And I'll end the segment with a tweet that infuriated me, a post that infuriated me by Guy for Hofstad.

00:53:22.520 He says Trump wants to...

00:53:24.560 He responded to Elon Musk's decision to host Alice Weidel from AFD on an ex-space.

00:53:33.500 And he says...

00:53:34.000 She the lesbian leader?

00:53:36.040 Yeah.

00:53:36.240 And he says Trump wants to buy Greenland.

00:53:41.140 Musk wants to decide who governs Germany and the UK.

00:53:44.020 Putin invades European countries.

00:53:45.820 Foreign billionaires looking at a map with dreams of carving up the world.

00:53:49.840 Europeans recognize imperialism and reject it.

00:53:52.380 Who will defend post-1945?

00:53:55.620 This infuriates me.

00:53:58.160 It absolutely infuriates me.

00:53:59.920 Because the main reason why Europe is weak is European bad leadership.

00:54:09.000 The reason why, for instance, the EU is behind in the tech industry is ridiculous socialist policies of the EU.

00:54:19.860 I very much agree, yeah.

00:54:21.220 There's no reason that we can't be successful.

00:54:25.720 It's all because of mismanagement, isn't it?

00:54:27.660 Yes.

00:54:28.200 And also, who is going to defend...

00:54:29.720 All of that is self-imposed.

00:54:32.240 The open border craze.

00:54:33.800 The benefit spending craze.

00:54:39.080 That is primarily to foreign nationals.

00:54:42.020 Who frequently don't show any will to integrate.

00:54:45.060 And they have an establishment that tells them, don't integrate.

00:54:48.000 And I shouldn't get very much started with that.

00:54:51.520 But let's just say also, who will defend post-1945 Europe?

00:54:55.980 Well, if it's a European, if it's a continent that is structured upon a union that completely demonizes national, any kind of national sovereignty,

00:55:07.360 well, yeah, people won't want to fight for it.

00:55:09.820 So, don't protest a lot against people from non-Europeans acting aggressively and having aggressive rhetoric.

00:55:20.300 Focus on setting your house in order first.

00:55:23.180 Right.

00:55:23.580 So, Trump isn't crazy to want Greenland and Canada.

00:55:28.980 We told you why we think he wants them.

00:55:33.920 Mm-hmm.

00:55:34.500 Right.

00:55:35.540 You have some comments.

00:55:37.200 A few, actually.

00:55:38.140 Yeah.

00:55:38.260 I see what you've done there.

00:55:51.300 Yeah.

00:55:51.700 Tefeno.

00:55:52.440 Unfortunate.

00:55:53.080 When you add the territory to the nation, it's not an international issue.

00:55:56.860 It's national if you add them to your nation.

00:55:59.940 Mad G. Hammond.

00:56:02.520 The U.S. is offering Denmark money for Greenland, who currently spends $600 million a year on it.

00:56:10.340 Britain chose their fate when they created the NHS and stopped funding their military.

00:56:15.400 Hey, our government chose that.

00:56:17.400 I don't want that.

00:56:18.480 I never consented.

00:56:19.580 Liam C.

00:56:20.180 Josh is correct to be pessimistic about the CPC.

00:56:24.060 Poiliever said he'll increase and decrease immigration.

00:56:27.740 Back in 2021, the CPC hired a firm to call anti-immigration racist, moving the Overton left.

00:56:34.240 Oh, yes.

00:56:37.360 So, we've had a highbrow conversation now.

00:56:40.580 Time to lower it a little bit.

00:56:42.800 It's not quite Friday, but I'm not on on Friday, so I'm treating this like a Friday segment.

00:56:47.240 So, Andrew Tate wants to be the Great British Prime Minister, which is not a sentence, I thought I'd say.

00:56:55.940 Whether you think he's serious or not, or whether you think he should be taken seriously,

00:57:00.220 some of the policies he suggested are clearly satire, but some are serious, I think.

00:57:05.400 And with his reach, you know, he was the most googled man in Britain, I think, for at least a couple of years,

00:57:12.080 and the most googled in the world, well, top ten at least.

00:57:17.280 So, he's a pretty significant figure, and we've been critical of him in the past before on this podcast,

00:57:23.420 but I wanted to look at his announcements, because it's come at an interesting time,

00:57:29.000 because obviously we've had Elon Musk putting a lot of pressure on the British government,

00:57:34.460 and now at the same time, we have Andrew Tate as well,

00:57:38.240 criticising how things are being run, and putting forward potential solutions to things,

00:57:44.440 and some of them are quite interesting, and I think it's interesting as well,

00:57:47.560 because he's very popular with people that are probably younger than us,

00:57:51.060 I think we're a little bit too old to fall for all of his flamboyant nonsense,

00:57:56.220 but, you know, particularly young men.

00:58:00.260 He's trying way too hard.

00:58:01.740 Oh yeah, of course.

00:58:02.360 Maybe we just don't go to the gym enough, Stelios, that's what it is.

00:58:08.340 If we went to the gym more, we'd be able to afford some Lambos.

00:58:12.260 But I actually do think some of the things he's put forward are quite good,

00:58:15.200 even if he's not being entirely serious.

00:58:17.520 Do I think he can win? Obviously not.

00:58:19.780 Do I think he should win? Also no.

00:58:22.440 I also don't think he's going to be that serious,

00:58:25.820 although I have seen public figures saying,

00:58:28.160 yeah, you go get him, Mr. Tate.

00:58:31.920 Ooh!

00:58:32.940 All sorts of people.

00:58:34.280 Don't get me started, or get me rambling, just like,

00:58:36.980 you idiots, what are you doing?

00:58:38.380 But anyway, it is worthwhile talking about what he's put forward,

00:58:42.360 because it is useful stuff to sort of shift things rightward,

00:58:48.560 because some of the things he suggested are quite radical,

00:58:51.360 and I think that that's interesting,

00:58:53.620 particularly if it's something that's going to be discussed publicly,

00:59:00.700 it's going to be things that he's going to put a lot of weight into,

00:59:03.740 because he feels a certain sense of belonging to Britain

00:59:07.920 and clearly wants to make it better.

00:59:10.660 I might question some of his decisions as to how he goes about fixing it,

00:59:14.660 but it does seem to be genuine.

00:59:17.620 He doesn't need to go out of his way to suggest how to fix it,

00:59:21.660 and any rightward shift in public discourse,

00:59:24.300 whoever it comes from, is welcome in my mind.

00:59:27.580 Can you think of Andrew Tate speaking about a budget?

00:59:32.420 Analyzing the budget?

00:59:36.120 Not really.

00:59:36.920 I couldn't see him doing anything other than coming out to the lectern of the Prime Minister

00:59:43.460 and treating it like a UFC weigh-in.

00:59:46.220 Yeah, replies, replies going,

00:59:48.740 yeah, we saw politicians who spoke about a budget.

00:59:51.720 We don't need a budget.

00:59:52.980 You challenge party leaders to fight him in the ring or something.

00:59:56.820 I mean, there are worse ideas.

00:59:59.980 How much worse can it get?

01:00:01.560 But here someone says the United Kingdom needs someone who is a warrior.

01:00:04.940 Yeah, politicians are not saving them at this rate.

01:00:07.840 This is a Fed post, basically.

01:00:09.840 They need someone as ready to go to war with the state as Trump,

01:00:12.660 and then Andrew Tate says,

01:00:13.900 I will do it.

01:00:14.840 This is the thing that started it all off.

01:00:16.820 And then he put out a poll.

01:00:18.100 Ultra-serious post,

01:00:19.640 which whenever people say that,

01:00:21.040 I don't believe they're being serious.

01:00:23.020 Should I enter politics and run for Prime Minister of the UK?

01:00:26.460 69% nice said,

01:00:29.020 yes, save Britain.

01:00:30.340 30% said no.

01:00:32.540 It's very reassuring that

01:00:34.720 31% of people who

01:00:38.420 saw this said no.

01:00:42.140 Even on X.

01:00:43.840 I know, yeah.

01:00:44.500 Because I think

01:00:45.180 really,

01:00:46.760 I think only he

01:00:47.700 and maybe his brother would think

01:00:50.760 that it would be a good idea.

01:00:52.320 I doubt it.

01:00:53.440 I imagine the numbers would be

01:00:54.560 a bit more in the yes camp

01:00:56.440 if it was someone like Jeremy Clarkson.

01:00:58.340 Yeah.

01:00:59.480 But that did have over 200,000 responses.

01:01:03.040 And he shared the poll and said,

01:01:05.340 Vox Populi, Vox Dei.

01:01:06.680 So it's basically saying,

01:01:07.900 I'll give you what you want.

01:01:09.820 And then he says,

01:01:11.900 the most googled man in the world

01:01:12.900 who is British,

01:01:13.560 becoming the PM

01:01:14.360 after that person you don't like

01:01:16.840 became a member of EU Parliament

01:01:18.320 from his YouTube channel

01:01:19.340 at the time of his great awakening

01:01:21.320 and distrust in the political class.

01:01:24.020 Stranger things have happened.

01:01:25.280 I'm 100% serious.

01:01:27.260 I am in the next election.

01:01:30.360 Until you've registered.

01:01:31.840 I don't think you are.

01:01:32.740 But I don't know.

01:01:34.160 Maybe you have done that.

01:01:35.380 Who knows?

01:01:36.780 But he started sort of making jokes

01:01:40.600 about this sort of thing,

01:01:41.620 which made me think,

01:01:42.420 hang on a minute.

01:01:43.020 He's not as serious.

01:01:44.460 Like top G,

01:01:45.460 the G stands for government.

01:01:48.140 That's funny.

01:01:49.100 It is funny.

01:01:49.820 And he did have some good laughs

01:01:52.200 with this stuff.

01:01:52.920 And I didn't realise he had

01:01:54.560 a sense of humour.

01:01:55.860 I thought he took himself

01:01:57.540 so seriously

01:01:58.360 that he wasn't capable of humour.

01:02:01.000 You know the people, right?

01:02:02.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:04.120 And things like this.

01:02:06.540 Boats will be leaving.

01:02:07.840 None will be arriving.

01:02:09.180 Prime Minister Tate.

01:02:11.080 All in caps, of course.

01:02:13.480 It would be hilarious

01:02:14.720 if actual politicians

01:02:16.720 started doing this,

01:02:17.660 just writing stuff.

01:02:18.640 That laconic in caps.

01:02:20.540 It'd be, you know,

01:02:23.980 it could be better.

01:02:24.780 So I'll be convened.

01:02:27.320 And he says,

01:02:28.020 once I'm Prime Minister,

01:02:29.180 with a typo,

01:02:30.560 Shmama Begum remains exiled

01:02:32.060 from the United Kingdom.

01:02:32.980 If you're not from the UK,

01:02:34.060 that's a girl who joined ISIS.

01:02:36.780 Why it's a matter of public debate.

01:02:39.060 Whether she should come back.

01:02:40.820 I mean,

01:02:41.140 I would have personally

01:02:42.240 preferred a debate

01:02:43.400 about which kind of missile

01:02:44.900 are we going to drop on our head.

01:02:46.500 But alas,

01:02:47.380 it wasn't up to me.

01:02:48.940 And it says,

01:02:49.740 however,

01:02:50.160 anyone who legally attempted

01:02:51.300 to return her

01:02:52.440 to our great nation

01:02:53.380 is instantly deported

01:02:54.500 and permanently banned

01:02:55.540 from entry.

01:02:56.640 No traitors.

01:02:58.000 And I like this.

01:02:59.360 It's also weird

01:03:00.240 that he's digging up this

01:03:01.240 because this is not

01:03:01.940 in the news cycle.

01:03:03.140 It's a random thing

01:03:04.780 that must be sort of

01:03:05.560 circulating in his mind.

01:03:07.040 But I mean,

01:03:07.440 if you had to pick a line.

01:03:09.660 It's fun also

01:03:10.280 because there were

01:03:11.320 lots of English people

01:03:13.460 who defended her.

01:03:15.300 I know, yeah.

01:03:16.380 Yeah.

01:03:16.640 I think Peter Hitchens said

01:03:18.160 that she should come back

01:03:20.800 and face justice.

01:03:22.540 And by that,

01:03:23.060 it means we'll pay

01:03:24.140 for her to be imprisoned.

01:03:25.560 The taxpayer

01:03:26.120 will pay money for it.

01:03:27.780 Great.

01:03:28.160 Thanks.

01:03:29.560 And then he said,

01:03:30.800 I have not slept

01:03:31.520 since announcing

01:03:32.060 my political ambitions.

01:03:33.840 Party announcement

01:03:34.700 and manifesto release shortly.

01:03:36.940 People of Great Britain,

01:03:37.940 help is coming.

01:03:38.920 Hold out for the cavalry.

01:03:39.940 Don't give up.

01:03:40.600 I will be the prime minister.

01:03:41.840 I actually,

01:03:43.760 the idea is beginning

01:03:46.200 to mature.

01:03:48.900 I may vote for him.

01:03:52.520 Stelios, no.

01:03:55.440 But no,

01:03:57.240 he is trying to sell

01:03:58.580 that he's being serious.

01:03:59.220 You say no.

01:04:00.100 Are you containment?

01:04:02.520 Are you trying to contain Tate?

01:04:04.740 I'm going to announce

01:04:05.440 I am now containment.

01:04:07.100 Yes.

01:04:09.360 Andrew Tate containment.

01:04:11.060 I can't contain him.

01:04:12.060 No one can.

01:04:13.960 So here is his party.

01:04:17.440 It starts off by saying,

01:04:18.720 yes, bruv.

01:04:19.680 The Britain Restoring

01:04:21.360 Underlying Values Party,

01:04:23.120 of course,

01:04:23.580 the acronym is BRUV,

01:04:25.320 will restore

01:04:26.160 the once great Britain.

01:04:27.600 As leader,

01:04:28.000 I'm held fully accountable.

01:04:29.680 If the plan

01:04:30.360 has not been actioned

01:04:31.540 within 45 days of power,

01:04:32.820 I will step down

01:04:33.480 from leadership.

01:04:34.220 No delays.

01:04:34.920 Charter below.

01:04:35.880 I mean,

01:04:36.160 I like the no-nonsense

01:04:37.160 aspect of it.

01:04:38.660 If actual politicians

01:04:40.100 were like this,

01:04:40.660 this would be good.

01:04:42.500 Usually,

01:04:43.080 that's a sign of someone

01:04:44.080 who doesn't want to

01:04:45.080 be a politician.

01:04:46.800 Yeah,

01:04:47.040 if you're saying

01:04:47.760 sensible things.

01:04:52.280 Obviously,

01:04:53.060 there's a sense of humor.

01:04:53.740 Britain Restoring

01:04:54.600 Underlying Values.

01:04:57.280 Obviously,

01:04:57.840 they tried to get it

01:04:58.480 to fit the BRUV acronym

01:04:59.520 because they thought

01:05:00.080 it'd be funny.

01:05:00.860 Because also,

01:05:01.360 underline isn't that good there.

01:05:03.100 No.

01:05:03.320 It's not catchy or something.

01:05:04.880 But they,

01:05:05.360 they have a website here

01:05:07.160 where they have a charter

01:05:08.280 and their core values.

01:05:09.520 You can't really see it

01:05:10.360 because we're in dark mode

01:05:11.500 at the minute.

01:05:14.040 But it was

01:05:15.240 eventually

01:05:16.100 removed from Twitter.

01:05:18.100 His new party,

01:05:19.200 it got 16,500 followers

01:05:20.920 and then

01:05:21.820 it got removed.

01:05:22.960 However,

01:05:24.000 Elon personally

01:05:24.880 came in

01:05:25.400 to see the success

01:05:26.180 of the party.

01:05:27.100 Saying,

01:05:27.420 not sure why it's suspended,

01:05:28.560 but it seems fixed now.

01:05:29.880 And this was

01:05:30.520 pretty quick.

01:05:31.460 So it was only

01:05:32.380 a little speed bump

01:05:33.680 in the skyrocketing

01:05:35.260 of the BRUV party

01:05:36.080 to become

01:05:37.100 the only true party

01:05:38.800 in the UK,

01:05:39.520 clearly.

01:05:40.520 And

01:05:40.740 here is the Twitter now.

01:05:43.460 It's going strong

01:05:44.320 at 106,700 followers,

01:05:47.220 which is a bit embarrassing

01:05:48.180 because I've been doing this

01:05:48.960 for four years

01:05:49.620 and my follow count

01:05:51.320 is not even close.

01:05:52.600 So,

01:05:52.700 yes.

01:05:53.700 Even Andrew Tate's

01:05:54.560 joke party

01:05:55.240 is doing better than me.

01:05:57.180 F's in the comments

01:05:58.420 for my career.

01:06:00.280 I don't know

01:06:00.900 why I'm saying this.

01:06:02.240 But

01:06:02.380 here he is again.

01:06:05.120 I could have sworn

01:06:05.980 there was

01:06:06.660 a charter

01:06:08.160 in the link,

01:06:08.860 Samson.

01:06:09.160 If you could pull that up,

01:06:10.240 that would be good.

01:06:11.360 But here he says,

01:06:12.200 as unofficial

01:06:13.060 Prime Minister

01:06:13.560 of the United Kingdom,

01:06:14.380 I wholeheartedly

01:06:15.280 support Greenland's

01:06:16.220 annexation

01:06:16.740 into the American Empire.

01:06:18.140 Bit of a reference

01:06:18.820 to our previous segment there.

01:06:20.420 I have sent

01:06:20.820 a diplomatic cable

01:06:22.180 to the Danish

01:06:22.800 stating,

01:06:23.720 fighting America

01:06:24.380 is insanity.

01:06:25.220 You're cooked,

01:06:25.760 brov.

01:06:26.180 Give it up.

01:06:27.900 Which is funny.

01:06:30.800 There's no way

01:06:31.600 that that's not funny.

01:06:32.640 And him looking

01:06:33.480 very serious

01:06:34.260 in front of the podium

01:06:35.160 as well

01:06:35.620 is funny.

01:06:37.900 I didn't realise

01:06:39.200 he had this in him.

01:06:40.200 Still,

01:06:40.600 I don't approve

01:06:41.520 of the guy necessarily.

01:06:44.080 Ah,

01:06:44.520 the reason

01:06:44.900 I went over

01:06:46.400 the link

01:06:46.740 for the charter

01:06:47.240 is because

01:06:47.680 it's below this,

01:06:48.860 isn't it?

01:06:49.620 Thanks, Samson.

01:06:50.280 It was my fault.

01:06:51.000 I forgot my own links.

01:06:52.340 But I'll come back

01:06:52.940 to it now.

01:06:54.740 Okay,

01:06:55.020 so here's a charter.

01:06:56.780 He's talking about

01:06:57.300 accountability.

01:06:58.060 He's got a very serious

01:06:58.820 picture of himself

01:06:59.680 looking like he's sat

01:07:00.540 in the old

01:07:00.900 Lotus Eater's

01:07:01.600 studio chairs

01:07:02.380 there as well.

01:07:03.720 And let's have a look

01:07:06.080 at things like this.

01:07:06.740 Harsh migrant control.

01:07:07.860 I like the AI

01:07:10.520 slop pictures.

01:07:13.080 Talks about the cost

01:07:14.020 of illegal migration

01:07:15.120 and the solution

01:07:16.360 is clear.

01:07:16.860 Not one more boat

01:07:17.840 lands on British soil.

01:07:19.000 Boats will be

01:07:19.640 leaving the UK

01:07:20.520 filled with illegal

01:07:21.200 migrants and not

01:07:21.880 a single one

01:07:22.560 will be arriving

01:07:23.220 on our shores.

01:07:24.240 So he's basically

01:07:24.740 saying mass deportations

01:07:25.940 here.

01:07:26.420 So well done,

01:07:27.420 Andrew.

01:07:28.600 This is a campaign

01:07:29.540 guarantee.

01:07:30.120 The Royal Navy

01:07:30.700 will patrol our waters.

01:07:32.000 Our message will be clear.

01:07:33.140 If you come here

01:07:33.700 illegally,

01:07:34.260 you will not set foot

01:07:35.300 on this land.

01:07:35.960 That's what I want

01:07:36.660 to see.

01:07:38.100 This is good.

01:07:39.060 I like that.

01:07:41.440 Do I think Andrew Tate

01:07:42.680 has the ability

01:07:43.220 to deliver this

01:07:43.940 politically?

01:07:44.680 I don't think so.

01:07:46.380 But best of luck

01:07:47.500 if this is your

01:07:48.200 and then he's got

01:07:48.880 a little thing here

01:07:50.620 talking about

01:07:51.540 British men dying

01:07:52.180 for British soil.

01:07:53.520 Foreigners aren't

01:07:54.000 allowed to break in.

01:07:55.840 It's inspirational

01:07:56.600 stuff really.

01:07:57.900 And here we go.

01:07:58.600 He's talking about

01:07:58.980 knife crime.

01:08:02.080 He's suggesting here

01:08:03.100 introducing BBC

01:08:04.160 Punishment,

01:08:04.980 a 24-7 live broadcast

01:08:06.560 of knife crime

01:08:07.820 offenders serving

01:08:08.600 solitary confinement.

01:08:10.440 No redemption arcs,

01:08:12.040 no second chances,

01:08:13.060 just the cold,

01:08:14.000 hard reality of life

01:08:15.000 wasted in a concrete cell.

01:08:17.480 Now that,

01:08:18.660 that's surprisingly clever,

01:08:20.860 if not a bit dystopian,

01:08:22.640 in that,

01:08:23.700 you know,

01:08:24.060 you get to watch

01:08:25.100 a live stream

01:08:25.780 of all of the

01:08:26.420 knife criminals

01:08:27.160 rot their life away

01:08:28.360 in solitary confinement.

01:08:32.120 And he says,

01:08:32.600 watch them do push-ups.

01:08:34.140 So I can't read that

01:08:35.680 because the camera

01:08:36.260 is in the way,

01:08:36.700 but can you read

01:08:37.160 that final paragraph?

01:08:38.020 Imagine a 50-year-old

01:08:41.200 boy tempted

01:08:42.200 to pick up a blade,

01:08:43.760 turning on the TV

01:08:44.720 and seeing a man

01:08:45.660 grow old and die alone.

01:08:47.720 That's not cruelty,

01:08:48.820 it's deterrence

01:08:49.640 and it will save lives.

01:08:53.080 So I'm not going to lie,

01:08:54.100 that's pretty good.

01:08:54.880 I can't see the policy

01:08:58.280 going down well,

01:08:59.400 but I like the spirit of it.

01:09:00.920 I also can see

01:09:02.020 how the boy is going,

01:09:03.380 the 15-year-old

01:09:04.600 is just going to

01:09:05.620 look at the whole life

01:09:07.320 of someone on a prison

01:09:08.500 in a matter of seconds

01:09:10.240 and say,

01:09:10.660 well,

01:09:10.960 maybe I shouldn't.

01:09:11.880 It's pre-recorded

01:09:12.540 and sped up.

01:09:13.480 It's like a time-lapse.

01:09:16.260 He talks about

01:09:17.380 the BBC being

01:09:19.320 a place of child exploitation

01:09:21.020 and he's trying

01:09:23.320 to return it

01:09:23.940 to factual reporting,

01:09:24.880 not propaganda,

01:09:25.780 which I think

01:09:26.460 just privatise it,

01:09:27.400 get rid of it.

01:09:29.340 This one's interesting.

01:09:31.400 Get rid of the

01:09:31.960 LGBTQ plus materials

01:09:33.640 in education,

01:09:34.440 it's indoctrination.

01:09:35.980 Ban it from schools,

01:09:37.200 that's a genuinely

01:09:38.280 good idea.

01:09:40.700 And teach traditional

01:09:41.960 family values

01:09:42.740 of respect,

01:09:43.540 responsibility

01:09:43.920 and the importance

01:09:45.200 of strong family bonds.

01:09:46.260 That's actually quite good.

01:09:47.460 I agree with that.

01:09:48.880 Andrew Tate,

01:09:49.520 you are right on that.

01:09:51.020 I liked this one

01:09:52.860 as well.

01:09:53.960 This one was probably

01:09:55.020 the strongest one

01:09:55.740 of them all.

01:09:56.560 Appoint a minister

01:09:57.140 for British culture

01:09:57.880 to celebrate

01:09:58.380 and preserve our history.

01:09:59.600 I mean,

01:09:59.900 we've got lots

01:10:00.700 of preservation already,

01:10:02.320 but preserving

01:10:03.180 our history

01:10:05.500 is a national pastime.

01:10:07.040 We've already got

01:10:07.480 things like the National Trust

01:10:08.620 and national parks

01:10:10.000 and things like that

01:10:11.180 and lots of

01:10:11.900 dedicated protection sites.

01:10:13.800 So expanding that's

01:10:14.460 a good idea,

01:10:15.040 I think.

01:10:15.840 I like this one.

01:10:17.100 I think it should be

01:10:18.100 a fewer percentage

01:10:20.940 but cap on non-British

01:10:22.200 residents at 10%

01:10:23.220 of the population

01:10:24.060 to maintain

01:10:25.320 cultural balance.

01:10:26.160 That would still mean

01:10:26.900 mass deportations now

01:10:28.180 because it's

01:10:29.120 less than that.

01:10:31.680 And also,

01:10:32.280 to keep it at that 10%,

01:10:33.580 you would gradually

01:10:34.460 have to deport people

01:10:35.640 as they had more children.

01:10:37.400 So that would get

01:10:37.860 a bit messy.

01:10:38.840 I personally think

01:10:39.720 there should be fewer

01:10:40.520 than 10% personally.

01:10:42.300 Okay, question, Josh.

01:10:43.440 Because, you know,

01:10:43.900 I'm a foreigner

01:10:44.700 in case you don't know.

01:10:46.200 You're honorarily British, okay?

01:10:48.140 You're allowed.

01:10:49.020 So when I look at him,

01:10:51.040 I don't think he...

01:10:54.200 English culture

01:10:55.480 isn't what comes to mind,

01:10:56.820 let's say.

01:10:57.360 In Andrew Tate?

01:10:58.320 Yeah.

01:10:58.760 Yeah.

01:10:59.400 I know what you mean.

01:11:01.180 Yeah, agree or disagree?

01:11:02.920 You don't necessarily

01:11:03.540 have to embody something

01:11:05.000 to appreciate it, you know.

01:11:06.540 I appreciate Japanese culture

01:11:09.680 but I don't necessarily

01:11:10.660 embody it in my life, do I?

01:11:12.320 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:12.460 So, you know,

01:11:13.620 give him the benefit

01:11:14.300 of the doubt here.

01:11:15.400 But no, I know

01:11:15.980 what you're saying.

01:11:17.020 And yeah, I think Europeans

01:11:20.100 I'm fine with.

01:11:21.920 Europeans can exist

01:11:22.760 in a civilization

01:11:23.400 and that's okay.

01:11:25.160 It's mainly other parts

01:11:27.180 of the world

01:11:27.580 that cause us problems.

01:11:29.500 He says,

01:11:29.920 replace modern art

01:11:31.060 in quotation marks

01:11:31.980 with statues and monuments

01:11:33.420 honoring British heroes.

01:11:34.940 I'm all for that.

01:11:35.960 I think we need more statues

01:11:37.020 of key people.

01:11:38.600 That's good.

01:11:39.560 That makes you feel

01:11:40.200 like you're part

01:11:40.660 of something great.

01:11:41.840 Every street in Britain

01:11:42.940 feels British

01:11:43.680 with English signage flags

01:11:45.160 and traditional architecture.

01:11:47.120 I imagine the Scots

01:11:47.940 would object to that

01:11:48.680 but I think he's okay

01:11:50.060 for Scotland being Scottish.

01:11:51.780 We're not going to put

01:11:52.680 an English flag up

01:11:53.780 in Scottish streets.

01:11:55.080 I wouldn't do that to them.

01:11:56.460 But I think that

01:11:58.820 that's important

01:11:59.840 because he's suggesting

01:12:00.820 that Britain doesn't

01:12:02.140 feel British

01:12:02.680 and there's something good

01:12:03.500 about feeling British

01:12:04.400 in Britain.

01:12:05.620 And if this is going out

01:12:06.760 to a Zoomer,

01:12:07.880 you know,

01:12:08.500 fan base of young

01:12:09.620 and impressionable kids,

01:12:10.900 telling them

01:12:12.580 that Britain feeling British

01:12:13.620 is a good thing,

01:12:15.160 even if it's,

01:12:16.440 you know,

01:12:16.700 him joking around,

01:12:18.260 that's not a bad thing.

01:12:19.500 That's good for politics

01:12:20.900 of our side, right?

01:12:23.260 And any...

01:12:24.220 I don't think it's what people

01:12:25.380 who are annoyed at him

01:12:27.120 are annoyed with.

01:12:28.140 Of course, yeah.

01:12:29.220 And any illegal migrants

01:12:30.420 which is identified

01:12:32.160 by a police officer

01:12:32.960 will be arrested

01:12:33.620 and deported

01:12:34.240 from the nation

01:12:34.880 within seven days.

01:12:36.120 No court case.

01:12:37.460 Very based.

01:12:38.220 No compromises.

01:12:40.940 Illegals will leave.

01:12:41.760 You have no right

01:12:42.400 to British soil.

01:12:43.640 That's the spirit.

01:12:44.860 You know,

01:12:45.260 there is some good stuff here.

01:12:48.000 You know,

01:12:48.400 we might have awoken

01:12:49.120 a patriot here

01:12:49.940 even though

01:12:50.480 the questions about

01:12:51.940 his views on Islam

01:12:52.800 and things like that.

01:12:54.920 He's talking about

01:12:56.000 outdated manufacturing.

01:12:59.640 You know,

01:12:59.840 forget about building

01:13:00.840 stuff in your country.

01:13:03.260 You need a nation

01:13:04.900 of businessmen

01:13:05.600 so his

01:13:06.340 Hustlers University

01:13:07.540 is going to be mandatory

01:13:08.580 in schools now.

01:13:10.820 Revolutionizing education

01:13:11.940 because education

01:13:12.920 is important.

01:13:14.760 So he's just like,

01:13:15.960 yes,

01:13:16.120 we need loads of

01:13:16.840 businessmen,

01:13:17.440 pioneers and tech stuff

01:13:18.920 which I disagree with.

01:13:21.000 I actually think you need

01:13:22.040 an industry

01:13:22.820 in your country.

01:13:25.240 But,

01:13:26.000 you know,

01:13:26.980 encouraging people

01:13:27.660 to start businesses,

01:13:28.920 there could be worse

01:13:29.580 things in the world.

01:13:31.300 He's talking about

01:13:32.160 abolishing foreign aid

01:13:33.280 and spending it at home.

01:13:35.380 No more foreign wars.

01:13:36.400 These are two good things

01:13:37.780 that I just unequivocally

01:13:38.880 agree with.

01:13:42.100 People who pay

01:13:43.220 taxes

01:13:44.680 get priority

01:13:45.440 in the NHS

01:13:46.120 so he's not saying

01:13:46.980 privatise it

01:13:47.700 like I would

01:13:48.300 but I would take

01:13:50.120 priority treatment.

01:13:51.180 I'd pay

01:13:51.680 a lot of money

01:13:53.380 into the system

01:13:53.980 and get nothing

01:13:55.020 in return.

01:13:55.900 Zero.

01:13:56.520 Like,

01:13:56.780 I don't use any

01:13:57.540 government services.

01:13:58.780 I am just a cash cow

01:14:00.040 for the state.

01:14:00.820 also MPs

01:14:04.000 that don't

01:14:04.620 over 30% of MPs

01:14:06.340 fail to meet

01:14:06.780 basic attendance standards.

01:14:08.640 Basically have

01:14:09.200 expectations

01:14:09.880 for MPs

01:14:10.820 to do their job.

01:14:12.380 You've got to turn up.

01:14:13.480 He's suggesting

01:14:13.960 weekly referendums

01:14:15.060 which is probably

01:14:15.580 too much.

01:14:17.920 Basically saying

01:14:18.600 if you don't show up

01:14:19.240 you're out.

01:14:19.940 Which is probably

01:14:20.480 a good approach

01:14:21.420 and not a bad thing.

01:14:24.060 Where are

01:14:25.480 people going to show up?

01:14:28.600 It's got to be

01:14:29.180 electronic.

01:14:29.640 There's going to be

01:14:31.260 lots of computer screens.

01:14:32.840 Zero tolerance for crime.

01:14:34.080 Lots of planes

01:14:34.560 close offices

01:14:35.320 in London.

01:14:35.940 That's just

01:14:36.380 dystopian.

01:14:37.460 You just have

01:14:37.960 police jumping

01:14:39.180 out of nowhere.

01:14:39.820 You've basically

01:14:40.440 created a secret

01:14:41.400 police force.

01:14:42.000 Not a good idea.

01:14:44.220 A more transparent

01:14:44.900 tax system.

01:14:45.760 That's actually

01:14:46.180 a good idea.

01:14:48.940 Basically stop

01:14:49.840 punishing people

01:14:50.520 for being ambitious.

01:14:51.920 So just reduce taxes

01:14:52.980 and stop making it

01:14:54.120 heavily weighted.

01:14:55.940 This was quite good

01:14:56.640 as well.

01:14:57.780 Encourage more

01:14:58.560 masculine pursuits.

01:14:59.960 I'm not surprised

01:15:00.460 he's saying this.

01:15:01.880 Boxing and wrestling

01:15:02.740 in schools.

01:15:03.440 I already did

01:15:04.060 boxing in school

01:15:04.900 so you've already

01:15:06.900 got your wish.

01:15:08.480 This one was weird.

01:15:10.460 He's saying that

01:15:11.500 he wants to make

01:15:13.520 it possible to

01:15:14.360 license armed

01:15:15.180 security in the

01:15:16.180 street to help

01:15:17.280 solve crime.

01:15:18.260 So basically I think

01:15:18.920 what he's trying to

01:15:19.420 say is if we have

01:15:20.160 more armed security

01:15:21.040 around things will

01:15:22.440 be safer.

01:15:23.740 And so it's a

01:15:25.720 temporary measure

01:15:26.840 maybe?

01:15:27.280 I don't know.

01:15:27.800 But it seems a bit

01:15:28.500 scary just to have

01:15:29.480 outside every shop

01:15:31.280 someone with a gun.

01:15:33.260 I mean I'd feel a lot

01:15:34.980 safer I suppose.

01:15:36.100 But still.

01:15:37.420 Talking about a

01:15:38.280 national bitcoin reserve

01:15:39.300 that's actually clever

01:15:40.180 and nuclear power for

01:15:42.120 energy independence.

01:15:43.040 Again another good

01:15:43.820 idea.

01:15:44.900 So it's not actually

01:15:45.780 all bad.

01:15:47.140 And there you go.

01:15:48.360 actually that shows

01:15:50.820 how ridiculous

01:15:51.780 western policy is

01:15:54.060 right now.

01:15:55.220 Yeah the Andrew

01:15:56.480 Tate whose background

01:15:57.600 is in kickboxing

01:15:58.700 and running a

01:16:00.320 an online pornography

01:16:02.480 business to make

01:16:04.540 his money.

01:16:05.480 If he can come up

01:16:06.800 with better policies

01:16:07.740 than a lot of the

01:16:08.940 mainstream politicians

01:16:10.140 and concerning.

01:16:11.980 It is concerning.

01:16:13.040 Yeah.

01:16:13.200 I mean I did

01:16:15.420 enjoy reading

01:16:16.900 them.

01:16:17.340 They were fun

01:16:17.980 some of them.

01:16:19.220 But I don't think

01:16:20.600 he should necessarily

01:16:21.980 be taken seriously.

01:16:23.060 I don't think he's

01:16:23.800 going to rescue

01:16:24.520 British politics.

01:16:25.460 But popularising

01:16:26.160 some of these ideas

01:16:27.000 is a good idea

01:16:28.320 because a lot of

01:16:29.240 those I actually

01:16:29.900 thought were quite

01:16:30.340 good.

01:16:31.120 I was pleasantly

01:16:31.740 surprised.

01:16:33.100 And he has been

01:16:34.340 saying funny things

01:16:36.440 as well.

01:16:37.580 Like more on

01:16:38.840 Greenland.

01:16:39.400 He's saying Greenland

01:16:40.020 will be conquered by

01:16:40.740 the USA and used as a

01:16:42.160 perma-refrigeration

01:16:43.280 for Bitcoin mining

01:16:44.260 operations.

01:16:45.640 One of the problems

01:16:46.360 with Bitcoin mining

01:16:47.120 is it generates a lot

01:16:48.120 of heat.

01:16:48.680 And he's thinking

01:16:49.540 well it's cold

01:16:50.900 so it's going to

01:16:51.900 make it cheaper

01:16:52.640 and therefore it's

01:16:53.220 more efficient to

01:16:53.860 have it in Greenland.

01:16:56.220 Which is kind of

01:16:57.140 funny in a sort of

01:16:58.580 clever way.

01:17:00.960 The final thing I

01:17:01.620 quite liked was this.

01:17:03.020 He stated that his

01:17:03.720 new political party

01:17:04.560 Bruv will not cater

01:17:05.600 to Zionists or

01:17:06.840 Islamists instead

01:17:07.560 seeking to restore

01:17:08.440 Christian Britain.

01:17:09.820 He's basically saying

01:17:10.520 I want to restore it

01:17:11.200 to this.

01:17:11.560 You're meant to be

01:17:12.600 Christian.

01:17:13.060 Even though I think

01:17:13.760 he identifies more

01:17:14.640 with Islam doesn't

01:17:15.460 he these days.

01:17:16.980 He's saying you know

01:17:17.560 Britain's not meant

01:17:18.340 to be Muslim.

01:17:19.960 Britain's meant to

01:17:20.540 be Christian so at

01:17:22.120 least he didn't throw

01:17:22.920 us under the bus on

01:17:23.780 that respect I suppose.

01:17:25.520 I also thought it was

01:17:26.160 funny that he threw in

01:17:26.860 Zionists there as well.

01:17:27.780 That's going to ruffle a

01:17:28.400 few feathers which is

01:17:29.600 always funny.

01:17:30.860 And yeah what do you

01:17:32.080 think Stelios?

01:17:33.220 Do you think he's in

01:17:34.980 for the running?

01:17:35.840 What do you make of

01:17:36.720 the policies?

01:17:37.120 I think he will run.

01:17:39.580 Maybe he doesn't think

01:17:41.940 he will run right now.

01:17:43.700 Maybe he thinks it's all

01:17:45.800 a joke but people will

01:17:47.720 push him to.

01:17:50.040 I wouldn't be surprised

01:17:51.380 actually.

01:17:51.840 I think this is probably

01:17:52.620 not the last we've heard

01:17:53.780 of Andrew Tate in British

01:17:55.720 politics this year.

01:17:56.640 Okay we've got some

01:17:59.080 comments here.

01:18:00.940 Okay we have

01:18:02.320 we've got we've read

01:18:05.720 those.

01:18:06.800 We've read these already.

01:18:09.080 So Andrew Tate would be

01:18:10.040 the first gay and first

01:18:11.280 Muslim Prime Minister.

01:18:14.520 Brutal.

01:18:15.580 Matt G. Hammond says

01:18:16.580 Andrew Tate walks out of

01:18:17.840 10 Downing Street with his

01:18:18.900 shirt off standing on a

01:18:20.360 scale for a weigh-in while

01:18:21.620 talking with the press.

01:18:23.340 Yeah this is quite the

01:18:24.380 image isn't it?

01:18:26.640 Yeah I thought it'd be

01:18:28.480 nice and light-hearted

01:18:29.380 whilst also sort of

01:18:30.760 talking about something

01:18:31.560 that is actually going to

01:18:32.600 affect British politics

01:18:33.460 in some small way.

01:18:35.460 We cover the same stuff

01:18:36.660 all the time.

01:18:37.160 You've got to do

01:18:37.460 something different

01:18:38.460 every now and then.

01:18:39.340 You poor people don't

01:18:40.280 want to just hear the

01:18:40.960 same stuff do you?

01:18:42.300 But anyway video

01:18:43.020 comments.

01:18:43.460 Right yeah let's

01:18:44.520 we are gonna watch

01:18:46.160 a video comment from

01:18:47.740 someone who tries

01:18:48.780 always to trick me

01:18:50.080 with her comments.

01:18:51.640 Let's watch Sophie

01:18:52.900 live.

01:18:54.700 Why are you guys

01:18:55.640 being so mean to

01:18:56.420 Beau?

01:18:57.500 I just watched

01:18:58.540 a cool movie

01:18:59.900 and for those

01:19:01.180 who want to watch

01:19:01.640 the movie remember

01:19:02.380 to watch these

01:19:03.240 as the companions.

01:19:04.580 They are actually

01:19:05.160 all of a really

01:19:05.760 great movie.

01:19:07.160 I'm Harry since

01:19:08.060 I'm trying to draw

01:19:10.100 at least one sketch

01:19:11.100 a day anyway.

01:19:13.660 Here you go.

01:19:14.480 Remember though

01:19:15.100 I've only been doing

01:19:15.880 this for a month

01:19:16.560 okay I'm coming back

01:19:17.700 in eight months

01:19:18.500 and make a comparison.

01:19:20.340 You're a much better

01:19:21.060 drawer than I am.

01:19:22.220 Harry's not got a beard

01:19:24.460 anymore though.

01:19:25.380 You've got to rub

01:19:26.760 that one out.

01:19:27.880 He looks like a

01:19:29.340 Victorian quartermaster

01:19:30.440 with a...

01:19:31.620 But no that's great.

01:19:33.140 Great.

01:19:33.620 Also you did

01:19:35.040 Beau dirty by

01:19:35.800 mentioning Nosferatu

01:19:36.880 there.

01:19:39.340 Poor Beau.

01:19:40.260 He's not very well

01:19:40.920 at the minute.

01:19:41.800 Next clip is by

01:19:43.660 Russian Garbage Human.

01:19:45.160 They agreed that

01:19:45.940 in some areas

01:19:47.000 largely rape is

01:19:48.140 committed by Muslims

01:19:49.000 because no I grew up

01:19:50.500 in Bradford alright.

01:19:51.740 Like I've had friends

01:19:52.700 who've been raped

01:19:53.340 and the police have

01:19:54.020 told them that

01:19:54.800 because it's an Asian

01:19:55.480 man that's done it

01:19:56.160 probably not going to

01:19:57.080 catch them.

01:19:57.820 The police are too scared

01:19:58.680 have been called

01:19:59.900 ratists to do anything.

01:20:01.560 What planet these

01:20:02.640 police are living on

01:20:03.500 if they're actually

01:20:04.640 saying to people

01:20:05.480 yeah you know

01:20:06.700 I'm just going to

01:20:07.400 put the phone down

01:20:08.000 now because it's

01:20:08.640 an Asian person

01:20:09.340 so don't put it.

01:20:10.320 That's what they do.

01:20:11.200 I don't think

01:20:12.200 they're doing

01:20:12.560 that.

01:20:12.960 I can't.

01:20:13.460 He has to say that.

01:20:14.760 Why is he dressed

01:20:15.720 like a watermelon?

01:20:18.920 Yeah that's true.

01:20:20.060 Good observation.

01:20:21.020 Yeah.

01:20:21.360 No it's the

01:20:21.960 it's the Palestine

01:20:22.800 colours.

01:20:24.800 Yeah.

01:20:25.880 Well he's got the

01:20:26.780 the green and red.

01:20:28.160 Where's the white?

01:20:29.160 It's brown.

01:20:32.840 Okay maybe I made

01:20:33.940 a mistake.

01:20:36.040 He is

01:20:36.780 virtue singling

01:20:37.560 Josh.

01:20:38.540 In some way.

01:20:39.620 Okay.

01:20:40.320 Right.

01:20:41.360 Is that all the

01:20:41.880 video comments?

01:20:42.960 Ha!

01:20:43.620 Okay.

01:20:44.040 Okay.

01:20:44.440 Let's go to the

01:20:45.360 comments.

01:20:46.100 Right.

01:20:46.680 Bigger Bigfoot.

01:20:47.960 Josh and Stelios

01:20:48.820 and the Stelios

01:20:49.820 are the best

01:20:50.900 presenter duo.

01:20:52.060 It's great to see

01:20:52.820 the dream team

01:20:53.560 back.

01:20:54.460 Thank you very much.

01:20:56.220 And thank you also

01:20:57.060 for honouring me

01:20:58.060 with the title.

01:20:59.540 Josh and

01:21:00.400 Stelios on one

01:21:01.840 Alex Ogle.

01:21:03.280 Josh and Stelios

01:21:04.340 on one podcast

01:21:05.160 without a moderator.

01:21:06.800 Let the degeneracy

01:21:07.860 commence.

01:21:08.320 We were on good

01:21:09.440 behaviour today

01:21:10.220 weren't we?

01:21:10.680 Yeah but that's

01:21:11.380 such a good comment.

01:21:12.580 I appreciate it.

01:21:13.820 Thank you Alex.

01:21:14.560 We are the

01:21:14.980 pervaders of degeneracy

01:21:16.080 what can we say

01:21:16.840 you know.

01:21:18.200 Russian garbage

01:21:18.920 human I see

01:21:20.100 the Stelios

01:21:21.140 theme continues.

01:21:22.620 Smile.

01:21:23.620 The Stelios

01:21:24.140 can't be stopped.

01:21:26.180 I saw some

01:21:27.000 comments in the chat

01:21:27.960 saying that it's

01:21:28.640 like a title

01:21:29.320 that you have to

01:21:30.220 earn it.

01:21:31.780 True.

01:21:32.140 Once you read

01:21:33.340 enough philosophy

01:21:34.040 you get the

01:21:35.340 prefix the

01:21:36.320 before your name

01:21:37.200 as a title

01:21:38.180 of respect.

01:21:39.100 Yes.

01:21:40.480 Right.

01:21:41.060 Do you want me

01:21:42.000 to read comments

01:21:42.660 of yours or

01:21:43.220 do you?

01:21:43.520 You can read mine

01:21:44.180 if you want.

01:21:44.620 Okay.

01:21:44.860 Right.

01:21:45.380 So Captain

01:21:46.020 Charlie the Beagle.

01:21:47.480 Funny how

01:21:48.120 it's now

01:21:49.080 Zuckerberg

01:21:49.840 who wants to

01:21:50.680 promote free

01:21:51.240 speech and not

01:21:52.020 when it was

01:21:53.020 being attacked.

01:21:54.960 I know.

01:21:55.320 Yeah.

01:21:55.740 When the wind

01:21:56.380 is blowing in

01:21:56.940 their direction

01:21:57.560 funnily enough

01:21:58.300 it's all of a

01:21:59.040 sudden a big

01:21:59.520 priority.

01:22:00.000 Um yeah

01:22:01.360 someone making

01:22:03.900 a Freddy on

01:22:04.720 Carl's desk.

01:22:06.220 It doesn't have

01:22:07.040 the Stelios in

01:22:07.960 front of it so

01:22:08.480 you're not

01:22:08.720 interested.

01:22:09.520 What kind of

01:22:10.240 a username is

01:22:11.520 Stelios why

01:22:12.820 did you do

01:22:13.280 that to Carl's

01:22:13.900 desk?

01:22:14.620 What is this?

01:22:16.240 What is this?

01:22:17.660 Don't radio

01:22:18.160 Genoa me.

01:22:19.380 I'll always

01:22:20.220 radio Genoa

01:22:20.980 you Josh.

01:22:22.120 Maybe I have

01:22:23.060 Cambodian origins.

01:22:25.060 Right.

01:22:25.740 Stelios's origin

01:22:26.440 story is coming

01:22:27.120 out now.

01:22:27.580 Um first

01:22:29.940 Jack Dorsey

01:22:30.680 and now

01:22:31.020 Mark Zuckerberg

01:22:31.820 it's interesting

01:22:32.780 how these men

01:22:33.700 who have held

01:22:34.420 power over

01:22:35.140 public discourse

01:22:36.020 have had their

01:22:37.060 own independent

01:22:37.840 character arcs

01:22:38.960 from naivety

01:22:40.080 to censorship

01:22:40.940 to support

01:22:41.820 of free speech.

01:22:43.360 I know.

01:22:43.860 Um I

01:22:44.900 mean

01:22:45.320 one positive

01:22:47.380 thing is that

01:22:48.500 even if

01:22:49.480 Zuckerberg

01:22:50.760 goes back on

01:22:51.720 everything he

01:22:52.280 said he said

01:22:53.040 it now

01:22:53.440 and the ability

01:22:55.360 to trust him

01:22:56.040 again

01:22:56.400 not that you

01:22:57.480 shouldn't

01:22:57.800 by default

01:22:58.340 anyway

01:22:58.760 will be

01:23:00.260 severely

01:23:00.600 diminished.

01:23:01.780 If he has

01:23:02.300 another redemption

01:23:03.260 arc people

01:23:03.820 just won't

01:23:04.160 believe him

01:23:04.660 and so

01:23:05.500 to a certain

01:23:06.020 extent he

01:23:06.500 has to

01:23:07.040 do some

01:23:07.940 of what

01:23:08.240 he says

01:23:08.780 to save

01:23:09.840 face

01:23:10.300 and keep

01:23:11.460 having

01:23:12.820 influence.

01:23:15.040 Supreme

01:23:15.560 Duck

01:23:15.940 the video

01:23:16.600 looks fake

01:23:17.240 because of

01:23:17.840 his face

01:23:18.400 and movement.

01:23:19.840 All videos

01:23:20.540 of Mark Zuckerberg

01:23:21.260 are fake.

01:23:21.980 Right.

01:23:22.260 Arizona

01:23:22.640 Desert

01:23:23.000 Rat

01:23:23.380 regarding

01:23:24.300 the gender

01:23:24.840 discussion

01:23:25.400 there were

01:23:25.840 many people

01:23:26.380 who regretted

01:23:27.140 their transitions

01:23:27.800 who were

01:23:28.260 getting censored

01:23:29.080 blocked

01:23:29.520 or entirely

01:23:30.600 removed from

01:23:31.320 social media

01:23:32.080 simply because

01:23:32.720 they didn't

01:23:33.340 toe the line.

01:23:34.760 If these

01:23:35.080 media platforms

01:23:35.860 actually cared

01:23:36.780 about people

01:23:37.360 with body

01:23:37.840 dysmorphia

01:23:38.520 they would

01:23:40.220 allow all

01:23:40.980 voices of

01:23:41.520 concern.

01:23:42.020 Yeah the

01:23:42.540 treatment of

01:23:43.340 detransitioners

01:23:44.220 has been just

01:23:44.980 to deny

01:23:46.100 their existence

01:23:46.760 or to

01:23:47.760 scream at

01:23:48.380 them far

01:23:48.820 right.

01:23:49.620 Or to

01:23:49.820 call them

01:23:50.100 transphobic

01:23:50.880 when in

01:23:51.600 many ways

01:23:52.720 they've done

01:23:53.040 more transitioning

01:23:53.820 than the

01:23:54.580 people who've

01:23:55.520 just transitioned

01:23:56.120 from one

01:23:56.760 sex to

01:23:57.580 another

01:23:57.860 because they've

01:23:58.400 gone to

01:23:58.720 one sex

01:23:59.260 and back

01:23:59.740 so they're

01:24:00.440 twice as

01:24:01.460 trans as

01:24:02.160 the other

01:24:02.880 people.

01:24:04.020 Far King

01:24:04.480 Al

01:24:04.840 Zuckerberg

01:24:05.440 Facebook

01:24:06.420 is competing

01:24:07.600 with X

01:24:08.320 and TikTok

01:24:08.780 and would

01:24:09.260 probably like

01:24:10.020 to see

01:24:10.340 TikTok

01:24:10.700 removed

01:24:11.180 from the

01:24:11.600 US

01:24:11.940 which would

01:24:12.680 essentially

01:24:13.180 would give

01:24:14.240 him more

01:24:14.900 eyes

01:24:15.320 and more

01:24:15.700 revenue.

01:24:16.840 Did you pick

01:24:17.120 up on the

01:24:17.760 name?

01:24:18.320 Far King

01:24:20.780 Al

01:24:21.160 Don't say

01:24:23.400 it too

01:24:23.620 quickly.

01:24:24.900 You might

01:24:25.400 sound rather

01:24:26.640 English

01:24:27.120 and like

01:24:27.900 you're

01:24:28.040 swearing.

01:24:30.820 Omar

01:24:31.060 Awad

01:24:31.380 The real

01:24:31.840 litmus test

01:24:32.540 for if

01:24:33.440 Facebook

01:24:33.780 has changed

01:24:34.380 for the

01:24:34.640 better

01:24:34.840 will be

01:24:35.200 when

01:24:35.540 lib

01:24:36.580 shits

01:24:36.980 make

01:24:37.500 performative

01:24:38.680 mass exodus

01:24:39.860 to a more

01:24:40.480 equal bubble

01:24:41.200 and they

01:24:41.720 announce it.

01:24:42.820 I like

01:24:43.400 the departure.

01:24:44.800 Joe Schmo

01:24:45.320 Facebook

01:24:46.100 introducing

01:24:46.720 community

01:24:47.240 notes

01:24:47.580 merely

01:24:47.880 proves

01:24:48.320 that

01:24:48.540 community

01:24:48.920 notes

01:24:49.280 are a

01:24:49.580 system

01:24:49.900 which

01:24:50.160 can

01:24:50.400 be

01:24:50.580 subverted

01:24:51.060 and

01:24:51.700 controlled

01:24:52.120 by the

01:24:52.520 parent

01:24:52.880 platform.

01:24:54.120 And

01:24:54.260 Afray

01:24:54.640 bent us

01:24:55.220 for every

01:24:55.700 Haitian.

01:24:56.680 Zuck

01:24:56.940 is putting

01:24:57.440 the walk

01:24:57.900 away.

01:24:58.340 He even

01:24:58.700 looks like

01:24:59.240 a 90s

01:24:59.800 skater

01:25:00.100 bro now.

01:25:01.100 I know.

01:25:01.500 He actually

01:25:01.840 looks like

01:25:02.300 you could

01:25:02.520 hang out

01:25:02.860 with him

01:25:03.200 and he

01:25:03.560 wouldn't

01:25:04.200 try and

01:25:04.720 lick your

01:25:05.040 eyeballs

01:25:05.380 or something.

01:25:06.280 But

01:25:06.420 personally

01:25:07.260 I think

01:25:07.740 they're not

01:25:08.100 going anywhere.

01:25:09.980 They're

01:25:10.460 going to

01:25:11.740 continue

01:25:12.200 being around.

01:25:14.260 Too big

01:25:14.680 to fail

01:25:15.100 some might

01:25:15.500 say.

01:25:15.840 We're going

01:25:16.340 to see

01:25:16.620 them again.

01:25:18.180 They'll be

01:25:18.500 back.

01:25:20.120 Right.

01:25:20.660 Sophie

01:25:20.940 live.

01:25:21.580 Greenland.

01:25:22.280 Something

01:25:22.520 where I

01:25:23.120 can lend

01:25:23.620 you my

01:25:24.000 insights.

01:25:24.740 Yeah.

01:25:25.700 Because it's

01:25:26.380 Sophie I'm

01:25:26.820 going to be

01:25:27.100 extra careful

01:25:27.740 with what I

01:25:28.420 read.

01:25:29.660 Yeah.

01:25:30.040 It would be

01:25:30.560 the best

01:25:31.000 thing for

01:25:31.340 Denmark if

01:25:32.020 America just

01:25:32.780 took it.

01:25:33.360 Greenland

01:25:33.660 cannot sustain

01:25:34.460 itself without

01:25:35.160 constant support

01:25:36.100 from Denmark.

01:25:36.980 It costs

01:25:37.720 us a lot of

01:25:38.420 money with

01:25:38.840 no real

01:25:39.280 gain.

01:25:40.120 Denmark

01:25:40.320 cannot defend

01:25:41.100 Greenland by

01:25:41.740 ourselves since

01:25:43.020 we're only well

01:25:44.060 six million

01:25:44.700 people only

01:25:45.900 because of

01:25:46.440 NATO is

01:25:46.920 Greenland

01:25:47.300 protected and

01:25:48.000 America pretty

01:25:49.060 much is

01:25:49.680 NATO.

01:25:50.260 We have

01:25:50.840 nothing to

01:25:51.280 gain by

01:25:51.640 keeping it

01:25:52.140 but a lot

01:25:52.760 to lose if

01:25:53.760 Greenland is

01:25:54.420 invaded by

01:25:55.040 China or

01:25:55.540 Russia and

01:25:55.940 we will have

01:25:56.460 to defend

01:25:56.920 it but

01:25:57.780 just don't

01:25:58.660 have the

01:25:58.980 power to

01:25:59.340 do so.

01:26:00.160 Well I

01:26:00.340 imagine

01:26:00.620 Europe and

01:26:01.620 North America

01:26:02.260 would help

01:26:03.120 Denmark if

01:26:04.960 their sovereign

01:26:06.260 territory is

01:26:07.020 invaded because

01:26:07.800 it would be

01:26:08.180 unprecedented and

01:26:09.220 if you didn't

01:26:09.760 do anything

01:26:10.340 be your

01:26:13.260 territory next

01:26:13.920 there's a

01:26:14.920 certain amount

01:26:15.240 of self

01:26:15.560 interest there

01:26:16.180 but from

01:26:17.800 what you've

01:26:18.140 said there

01:26:18.500 it just

01:26:18.780 sounds like

01:26:19.320 Denmark should

01:26:20.200 sell it to

01:26:20.960 the United

01:26:21.380 States.

01:26:22.560 Yeah.

01:26:23.280 Maybe hold a

01:26:24.140 referendum just

01:26:24.920 like do you

01:26:25.560 want to be

01:26:25.780 sold to the

01:26:26.260 Americans?

01:26:27.080 Promise you

01:26:27.680 they won't

01:26:28.220 enslave you

01:26:28.680 this time.

01:26:29.920 Supreme

01:26:30.360 Duck as a

01:26:31.060 Dane I wish

01:26:31.600 we could just

01:26:32.180 give it.

01:26:32.660 I want lower

01:26:33.160 taxes and

01:26:33.820 they're a net

01:26:34.320 negative.

01:26:35.700 I feel the

01:26:36.460 same way about

01:26:36.940 Scotland.

01:26:37.480 What?

01:26:37.880 I didn't say

01:26:38.540 that.

01:26:38.920 That was a

01:26:39.200 joke.

01:26:39.420 Grant Gibson

01:26:42.900 the thing that

01:26:43.640 drives me wild

01:26:44.380 about the

01:26:44.760 left in

01:26:45.120 Canada right

01:26:45.700 now is that

01:26:46.580 they spent

01:26:47.020 the last 10

01:26:47.700 years telling

01:26:48.220 us we were

01:26:48.740 genocidal

01:26:49.460 settler

01:26:49.860 colonialists

01:26:50.700 white devils

01:26:51.800 and that we

01:26:52.260 had no

01:26:52.760 culture of

01:26:53.320 our own.

01:26:53.780 Now that

01:26:54.040 Trump makes

01:26:54.560 a joke about

01:26:55.180 an ex in

01:26:55.660 Canada they're

01:26:56.620 trying to

01:26:57.060 rally some

01:26:57.560 sort of

01:26:57.960 patriotic

01:26:58.440 sentiment.

01:26:59.380 They see

01:26:59.700 none of

01:27:00.200 the irony.

01:27:01.140 Yeah and

01:27:01.420 suddenly everyone

01:27:02.400 discovered borders

01:27:03.280 again.

01:27:04.080 I know yeah

01:27:04.900 it's funny.

01:27:05.480 Protection of

01:27:05.640 borders yeah.

01:27:06.440 Wait a minute

01:27:06.840 there's someone

01:27:07.720 here who's got

01:27:08.600 the name

01:27:09.000 Josh Firm

01:27:09.580 farting hard

01:27:10.440 enough to

01:27:10.840 inflate a

01:27:11.420 car tire.

01:27:12.480 And this is a

01:27:13.180 reference to a

01:27:13.800 tweet I shared

01:27:14.400 on Twitter so

01:27:14.920 you've been

01:27:15.160 looking at my

01:27:15.640 Twitter from

01:27:17.220 Elon from

01:27:17.800 2023 where he

01:27:19.480 says I can

01:27:20.160 fart hard enough

01:27:21.280 to inflate a

01:27:21.920 car tire.

01:27:23.280 And then I

01:27:23.900 shared this just

01:27:24.600 like the richest

01:27:25.540 person in the

01:27:26.380 world ladies and

01:27:27.160 gentlemen and

01:27:27.580 everyone's just

01:27:28.020 like stop having

01:27:28.660 a go.

01:27:29.440 And I was just

01:27:29.700 like no this is

01:27:30.360 funny this is

01:27:31.060 great.

01:27:32.040 And people just

01:27:32.560 like you're an

01:27:33.260 idiot you don't

01:27:34.060 even get that you

01:27:35.460 know someone like

01:27:36.120 Elon could have a

01:27:36.880 sense of humor.

01:27:37.360 I'm just like no

01:27:37.860 I'm trying to say

01:27:38.880 it's funny.

01:27:39.800 And then it's

01:27:41.120 amazing how people

01:27:42.020 interpret what you

01:27:42.700 say on the

01:27:43.040 internet isn't

01:27:43.460 it.

01:27:44.080 All right.

01:27:44.440 Samson do we

01:27:45.100 have two more

01:27:45.580 minutes.

01:27:49.920 Okay.

01:27:50.780 Roman observer

01:27:51.520 pressure for

01:27:52.560 Greenland might go

01:27:53.420 in the direction of

01:27:54.240 forcing Denmark and

01:27:55.200 Europe to up their

01:27:56.120 defense posture in

01:27:57.320 the north which is

01:27:58.060 the real US

01:27:58.840 interest.

01:28:00.420 Well if that if

01:28:01.580 Europe apps its

01:28:03.280 defense and its

01:28:04.200 military I think

01:28:04.920 that's good.

01:28:05.960 Hector X oddly

01:28:06.800 enough Greenland is

01:28:07.720 not a fan of

01:28:08.340 Denmark and how

01:28:09.120 they treat them.

01:28:09.900 Sounds like an

01:28:10.380 opportune moment to

01:28:11.380 seize Greenland.

01:28:12.780 Okay.

01:28:13.140 Do you want to

01:28:13.620 read the or

01:28:16.560 yeah of course.

01:28:17.380 So Jimbo

01:28:22.780 G says can

01:28:23.880 Andrew Tate even

01:28:25.040 step foot in the

01:28:25.780 UK even if he was

01:28:26.860 innocent of the

01:28:27.360 crimes he's been

01:28:28.100 accused of they

01:28:29.100 wouldn't allow him

01:28:29.640 to run.

01:28:30.480 Imagine he was the

01:28:31.940 MP for Luton for

01:28:33.260 the Brov party.

01:28:34.580 I know.

01:28:35.500 First time a

01:28:36.260 Muslim MP would

01:28:37.100 actually do any

01:28:37.600 good in Luton.

01:28:39.920 Yeah I think that

01:28:41.200 actually once the

01:28:42.300 Romanian courts are

01:28:43.220 done with him we're

01:28:45.060 going to put him

01:28:45.640 through the sort of

01:28:47.200 what's the word

01:28:48.780 the legal assault

01:28:50.960 course I suppose

01:28:52.200 and make him have

01:28:53.800 to navigate that

01:28:54.700 and Arizona Desert

01:28:56.800 Rat also says is

01:28:57.700 Tate even British.

01:28:58.780 I think he he had

01:29:00.040 an English mother

01:29:00.820 and American father

01:29:02.060 and he's lived in

01:29:02.880 both America and

01:29:03.940 Britain which is why

01:29:05.220 he's got that accent

01:29:06.080 where it doesn't

01:29:06.920 quite sound like

01:29:07.660 English but it

01:29:08.220 doesn't quite sound

01:29:08.920 American either.

01:29:09.740 Okay.

01:29:11.240 And one more before

01:29:13.080 we end.

01:29:14.700 David Ward says

01:29:15.640 Tate just what we

01:29:17.180 need another

01:29:17.720 Mohammedan with a

01:29:18.820 Mohammedan attitude

01:29:19.600 to women.

01:29:20.980 I want a note to

01:29:21.660 end on.

01:29:22.280 There we go.

01:29:23.160 Right.

01:29:24.180 So on that note

01:29:26.180 we've run out of

01:29:27.140 time and this is

01:29:29.400 let's call it a

01:29:30.460 day.

01:29:31.320 If you want to

01:29:32.200 see us watch us

01:29:33.500 tomorrow.

01:29:35.460 Sorry that was the

01:29:36.480 worst way to end

01:29:37.760 it.

01:29:38.020 Please don't end

01:29:38.620 it.

01:29:39.500 Come back tomorrow

01:29:40.240 at 1 p.m.

01:29:41.100 On that note

01:29:42.420 we have to

01:30:01.160 stop it!

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - January 09, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1075

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