The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1077

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for the

00:00:13.680 13th of January 2025. It is unfortunately Monday, but I am fortunately joined by Kelly

00:00:19.460 J. Keene, otherwise known as Posey Parker, who has come to talk with me about Labour's

00:00:24.260 nonce problem, how we are literally living under a clownocracy, and how things are going

00:00:30.280 quite badly in the Starmer bunker. It's literally only a matter of time until one of them retires

00:00:34.980 into a drawing room with a glass of brandy and a pistol. So, you know, it's not all bad

00:00:39.460 news. But right, so I mean, before we begin, how are you doing? You all right? Yeah, great.

00:00:44.800 What a great, fantastic 2025 we're all having. Wonderful. I know, 13 days in, it's actually

00:00:49.960 going great. For people who aren't part of the Labour government or supporters of them,

00:00:55.600 of course. Anyway, okay, well, let's begin, because speaking of the Labour government,

00:01:01.560 there are some genuine heroes still living in England, right? And what they do is they

00:01:07.120 catfish paedophiles online. Yes. And then meet up with them and film it and put it on

00:01:11.140 the internet. So everyone gets to see who's trying to meet up with a child to have sex

00:01:15.860 with them. And it turns out that one of them was a former Labour defence minister called

00:01:20.040 Ivor Kaplan, who was arrested after staying by these paedophile hunters. And he is quite

00:01:26.700 a remarkable person, because everyone started then going, okay, well, let me check out his

00:01:32.520 online profile. And his Twitter profile is a weird cross between a sort of Labour Party

00:01:40.120 political broadcast platform and Pornhub for gay people. Yes. And really pro. He's very

00:01:46.500 much an ally to the whole LGBT, very much T community. He's clearly part of the LGB part.

00:01:54.960 Yeah.

00:01:55.760 But yeah, he's, he's, what a great man. What a great representative of Labour, I feel.

00:02:00.680 He's in fact, one of the perfect representative of Labour. And so like everyone else, I went to

00:02:05.440 the BBC to find out more about this. And man, I got to hear about a man. Yeah. 66 year old

00:02:12.080 man. Oh, just a man. Right. Is he involved in any political activities? Does he have a name?

00:02:21.460 It's very interesting.

00:02:22.480 Just, just a man.

00:02:24.520 Imagine if he was a victim of, say, a mugging.

00:02:27.940 Yes.

00:02:28.620 We would know exactly who he was. It's very, I think Ipso's been going through like something

00:02:34.460 quite traumatic called misinformation for a really, really long time, ever since it was

00:02:40.960 deemed discriminatory to sort of give otherwise irrelevant or unnecessary details. And I think

00:02:47.080 we've, I mean, this is a prime example. I think it's quite relevant, actually, who he is.

00:02:51.920 I think, yeah, the fact that he was a former Labour MP for Hove from 1997 into 2005, and is,

00:02:59.680 of course, still a member of the Labour Party and a strong support from Keir Starmer's government.

00:03:03.060 I think that actually is relevant. And I think that if this was a Conservative or Reform Party

00:03:07.720 member, we would know about it.

00:03:10.420 Yeah, you would.

00:03:11.220 But it is the BBC. And yet again, they're covering up for a paedophile. Anyway, moving on.

00:03:17.820 This is his Twitter bio. I'm not going to show you.

00:03:20.760 Why?

00:03:21.560 Yeah, I'm not going to show you his feed, because frankly, they break the terms of service.

00:03:26.500 But as you see, he, him, first thing. Pride events, patron LGBT. Okay, yeah. Precisely

00:03:33.880 what I expected. And of course, he's been a guest speaker at Pride and various other things.

00:03:40.560 And what's weird, though, is that he was married for 20 years during the 80s and 90s. He's got

00:03:45.040 three children. And now he's in his 60s. He, well, spends his time gay posting on Twitter.

00:03:52.800 But it's very...

00:03:55.020 Shamelessly.

00:03:56.020 Yeah. And he's, you know, he's followed by, he's followed by some people who've probably

00:04:00.680 seen his feed. I think Angela Rayner is one of the people named as someone that follows

00:04:05.820 him. And it's just very odd that anybody would think it was appropriate. Do you know what

00:04:11.040 I'm going to do? My personal sexual fetishes and, you know, things I like alongside, oh,

00:04:18.660 I think we should cut the winter fuel allowance. It's...

00:04:22.220 Yes, I'm retweeting Keir Starmer and soliciting people for sex in concurrent tweets.

00:04:27.520 Yeah, which tells me of the state that we're in as a country, really, that actually, the

00:04:32.500 personal is very much now not private. And I really want to go back to the time where,

00:04:39.160 you know, whatever you want to do...

00:04:40.820 Bring back shaming.

00:04:41.980 I want to bring back shame in a big way.

00:04:43.760 It's actually for it.

00:04:44.540 I mean, I think we did something where we shamed women who were left holding the baby,

00:04:48.760 right? So we shamed single mothers. And I'm not saying that there weren't some people that

00:04:52.460 deserve shame, but mostly we sort of said, oh, your husband's run off and left you holding

00:04:57.300 the baby. Let's shame you. And then we were like, that's a terrible thing. And then we've

00:05:01.480 gone to, do you know what? Wear your pyjamas. Just wear your pyjamas. Give your kids some

00:05:04.940 frazzles. Don't potty train them. Post exactly what you want to do in bed online.

00:05:09.160 And there's no shame whatsoever. Brilliant.

00:05:11.880 And just, again, I can't show you this guy's Twitter feed, but it is genuinely atrocious.

00:05:18.180 It's the most shameless soliciting I have ever seen.

00:05:22.620 Yeah.

00:05:23.340 I mean, honestly, though, and the thing that annoys me, one aspect of this annoys me, is

00:05:28.040 the... It's so embarrassing, right? It's such an embarrassing thing to see a 66-year-old

00:05:33.960 man first posting after 20-something men on Twitter. It's just like, don't you have any

00:05:41.080 dignity?

00:05:41.880 No. I mean, all of it. Like, it's almost irrespective whether it's male or female that he's posting,

00:05:48.220 but it's just this... Yeah, we know that you probably do lust after young men, but just

00:05:54.080 do it in your own head.

00:05:55.220 Yeah, do you have...

00:05:55.700 You don't need to share it.

00:05:56.620 Yeah, you've got however many 100,000 Twitter followers.

00:05:59.780 The world can see you do this.

00:06:01.800 Yeah, gross.

00:06:02.800 Have a good dignity.

00:06:03.760 But anyway, this isn't the only paedophile outed from the Labour Party this week.

00:06:08.600 Oh.

00:06:10.260 There's a list?

00:06:12.460 This week?

00:06:13.960 Yeah, there is a list, actually.

00:06:17.000 Where is it?

00:06:17.840 There we go.

00:06:18.280 Here's another one.

00:06:19.440 So, an ex-Labour Party chairman of a local branch was also, well, pled guilty to abusing

00:06:28.140 a child of 15 allegations of it.

00:06:31.580 So, lots of people are, you can imagine, pointing out, being like, hang on, does Labour have a

00:06:35.980 bit of a paedophile problem?

00:06:37.260 You know, why did they put Lord Mandelson as their ambassador to the United States when

00:06:42.220 he was a known close associate of Jeffrey Epstein?

00:06:44.720 And I've heard, in private, lots of things about Lord Mandelson that, I mean...

00:06:50.900 He seems so savoury, though.

00:06:52.340 So, I'm so...

00:06:53.180 Yeah, he's a very wholesome character.

00:06:55.140 Really?

00:06:55.780 Yeah.

00:06:56.940 Of all the people, why him?

00:06:58.860 Why would you put him as the US ambassador?

00:07:01.040 It's like, well, I mean, those guys were friends with Epstein, too.

00:07:03.500 Oh, there we go.

00:07:04.080 I guess that's...

00:07:05.000 He was great in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, I thought.

00:07:08.020 I don't even get the reference of what you're talking about.

00:07:10.520 He was a child catcher.

00:07:11.940 Oh, right.

00:07:12.500 I watched that when I was about 12.

00:07:15.700 Yeah, I don't think I've seen it.

00:07:16.540 I don't think it's a great film, but it was a good reference that you missed.

00:07:20.860 You ruined the whole time.

00:07:21.500 I know, I know.

00:07:23.080 It's been 40-odd years since I've watched that film.

00:07:25.420 Give me a break.

00:07:27.420 Right, okay.

00:07:28.100 So, yeah.

00:07:29.240 So, there's this 50-person list of Labour paedophiles going around.

00:07:34.000 And one thing you'll notice is these are all, well, British names.

00:07:38.820 So, we are not even talking about the grooming gang scandal.

00:07:43.320 We are just talking about, well, members of the Labour Party.

00:07:47.080 Now, I'm always a bit suspicious of these kinds of lists because, of course, these are just words, right?

00:07:52.580 Just names on page with an allegation.

00:07:54.900 But I don't know.

00:07:56.100 And so, I did end up having a look around the internet and I found a person who actually has provided links.

00:08:04.420 So, there's at least 25.

00:08:06.980 Some of the links have been poorly formatted.

00:08:10.000 Yeah.

00:08:10.500 But other ones have them.

00:08:12.160 And so, this does seem to be a perennial problem that exists in the Labour Party.

00:08:17.320 Now, I just want to, I know everyone's thinking, oh, those disgusting Labour Party.

00:08:22.080 The Conservative Party will be just as bad.

00:08:24.180 They're just better at covering this up.

00:08:26.060 They're just better at keeping their perversions under the hood.

00:08:30.200 Again, you can, you can, there are lots of, I guess you say, grapevine rumours.

00:08:37.120 Yes.

00:08:37.440 About lots of members of the Conservative Party.

00:08:39.320 And so, I don't want anyone coming away from this thinking.

00:08:41.820 I'm saying, oh, well, then the Conservative Party are okay.

00:08:44.440 No, they're both disgusting, weird pedo parties.

00:08:47.920 Anyway, one thing I found that was really, really entertaining to come out of this

00:08:52.500 was that Owen Jones arrived on the right side of an issue.

00:08:56.860 No.

00:08:57.820 I know that's hard to believe.

00:08:58.940 He's probably got you blocked, hasn't he?

00:09:00.620 Oh, how do I say that?

00:09:01.820 Yeah.

00:09:02.240 He's got me blocked too.

00:09:03.300 So, I had to find this, like, second or third hand.

00:09:05.380 Yeah.

00:09:06.000 But this was just a remarkable interaction yesterday, right?

00:09:09.500 So, Owen posts, the big questions about Ivor Kaplan are,

00:09:12.940 who knew what, when, and what action did they take?

00:09:15.560 That's correct, Owen.

00:09:17.060 Yes.

00:09:17.280 That's exactly correct.

00:09:18.420 You are not in any way trying to obfuscate in defence of the Labour Party

00:09:21.460 because you're a communist and they essentially kicked you out.

00:09:25.100 But a chap called Bill Kirkbride says,

00:09:27.360 who knew what?

00:09:28.160 He's a horny gay man who wanted a sexual encounter

00:09:30.520 and age did not concern him, it seems.

00:09:32.480 Is he a monster?

00:09:34.060 And, of course, the community note has got them.

00:09:36.820 Yes.

00:09:37.280 The man posting this is a comedophile.

00:09:39.820 Owen Jones himself found this out.

00:09:42.940 God.

00:09:43.720 He's, of course, next Labour councillor.

00:09:46.540 And literally, like, he couldn't make it up.

00:09:50.260 And so Owen Jones, somehow on the right side of the issue,

00:09:52.800 was, like, bloody hell.

00:09:54.240 And he replies, let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

00:09:57.820 I'll cast it.

00:09:58.680 I'm going to cast this stone.

00:10:00.760 I've got rocks.

00:10:01.640 Yeah, exactly.

00:10:02.340 I've got, yeah.

00:10:03.500 Like, what a response.

00:10:07.440 And everyone is just like, Jesus,

00:10:09.680 is the Labour Party, like, institutionally nonce or something?

00:10:13.560 Well, it is being covered up by the BBC,

00:10:15.840 which is institutionally nonce.

00:10:17.400 And it seems that actually it's doing everything it can

00:10:20.300 to make sure that nonces are actually kept safe.

00:10:24.980 It's really, I think I read a long time ago that if you're a convicted child rapist,

00:10:32.740 actually, can I say the R word on your channel without it?

00:10:35.620 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:36.520 If you're convicted for that, when you come out,

00:10:39.620 you go to the top of the housing register,

00:10:42.240 because the police, which kind of makes sense.

00:10:44.120 What?

00:10:44.380 Yeah, because the police need to know where you are.

00:10:46.160 Oh, yeah, good point.

00:10:46.640 So you get, but often you'll then get housed near schools and parks.

00:10:51.680 And not that if you're a paedophile,

00:10:54.040 you won't walk a little way to go and kind of find prey.

00:10:58.740 But why would you be overlooking a school playground?

00:11:02.260 And I just, it's so unsavoury.

00:11:05.300 But I think that there's a history of, where do they come from, the Labour Party?

00:11:11.060 They come from, begins with F, I can't remember,

00:11:15.160 but on that side of sort of politics.

00:11:19.160 I met someone a long time ago whose parents were involved

00:11:22.000 in the very conception of the Labour Party.

00:11:24.360 And he claimed it was absolutely rife.

00:11:27.480 But then I think, you know, people in power, ex-public school boys,

00:11:32.780 is it going to just be rife?

00:11:34.140 Is that sort of community, is that section of society

00:11:37.100 any worse or better or just the same?

00:11:40.120 I think it's also, I think for the Conservatives, it's habitual, right?

00:11:45.100 As in, they all get a bit abused when they're in school.

00:11:48.440 And so it kind of becomes a normal part of their life.

00:11:51.140 But I think for the Labour Party, it's ideological,

00:11:53.680 which is why people like Harriet Harman

00:11:55.420 were involved with the Paedophile Information Exchange

00:11:57.520 back in the 60s and 70s.

00:11:59.780 And the BBC.

00:12:00.680 Well, yeah.

00:12:01.380 Go and have a chat.

00:12:02.640 Yeah, and the BBC just being institutional,

00:12:04.820 literally an institutional paedophile network.

00:12:06.700 Yes.

00:12:07.820 Again, just literally, how many BBC presenters now?

00:12:11.340 It's got to be knocking on a dozen.

00:12:12.920 Is it about 98% now?

00:12:14.580 Yeah.

00:12:15.320 That's the thing.

00:12:16.120 It's just safer to assume that if you're watching someone on the BBC,

00:12:18.900 they're more likely to be involved than not, right?

00:12:20.700 Yeah, well, I think it's unfettered access.

00:12:22.340 I always talk about this with regard to any boundaries and safeguarding

00:12:25.920 that I talk about with the issue that I'm most focused on.

00:12:29.380 And it's just simply about, if you allow someone the opportunity,

00:12:34.540 if you give them a kind of a slightly open door,

00:12:37.680 then they're going to exploit it.

00:12:39.100 So the BBC, what open doors have you got?

00:12:40.860 Well, A, you've got a network.

00:12:42.200 And B, you're disguised in this sort of super celebrity thing.

00:12:48.320 And the same as if you're in the Labour Party

00:12:51.200 or if you sort of move in those sort of circles

00:12:53.220 or the Liberty Movement, which is all about,

00:12:55.900 I think it was Liberty, wasn't it, that Harriet Harman was part of

00:12:58.560 that sort of supported the paedophile information exchange

00:13:01.620 because you didn't want to be mean to anyone.

00:13:04.260 Well, it's oppression, isn't it?

00:13:05.960 You know, it's a sexuality.

00:13:07.700 They didn't choose it.

00:13:09.160 And it's a form of oppression to the Labour Party.

00:13:12.000 And they are trying to bring that back, aren't they?

00:13:13.700 The whole kind of, but think of the paedophiles.

00:13:17.020 Yeah, I am.

00:13:17.640 I am, and that's why I'm in favour of discrimination.

00:13:21.100 Yeah, me too.

00:13:22.040 Murderous.

00:13:22.940 Murderous discrimination.

00:13:24.980 You don't even know what I'm in favour of with these people.

00:13:29.500 And I'm probably legally not allowed to say.

00:13:31.640 So anyway, getting back to this.

00:13:35.080 Yeah, it's weird that for some reason,

00:13:37.580 it's really easy for sex offenders to get themselves removed

00:13:40.600 from the sex offender registry.

00:13:42.320 I don't really understand why.

00:13:43.900 Apparently 75% success rate.

00:13:46.500 If you apply to be removed,

00:13:48.180 then three quarters of them are like,

00:13:49.720 yeah, yeah, yeah, go on.

00:13:51.080 What are the basis of removal?

00:13:53.000 Well, just, I don't even know.

00:13:54.600 Just please, will you remove me?

00:13:55.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:56.760 Just, I guess.

00:13:57.680 I mean, I haven't had time to look into this.

00:13:59.780 I only discovered this just before the podcast.

00:14:01.940 But what a remarkable headline.

00:14:04.240 And I am going to be looking into that in more depth

00:14:05.780 because I actually do want to know more on this.

00:14:07.480 So anyway, going to the other tremendous nonce scandal

00:14:11.860 that is plaguing the Labour Party,

00:14:14.080 if it's not their own internal native nonces,

00:14:16.780 it is external foreign nonces that they have decided to defend.

00:14:20.900 And the BBC put up an article going,

00:14:23.860 what's Starmer's record on the grooming gangs?

00:14:26.360 And even they had to admit, it's like,

00:14:27.500 yeah, it's not great.

00:14:29.720 It's not great, actually.

00:14:30.820 But it does say BBC verifies, so it's...

00:14:33.320 It might be done through.

00:14:34.440 However, because it's not in favour of Starmer,

00:14:37.880 I'm going to guess that it's more accurate than not.

00:14:40.140 Yeah, I mean, yeah.

00:14:41.740 But he was, of course,

00:14:43.280 appointed the head of the Crown Prosecution Service in 2008,

00:14:46.540 and it was regularly criticised during this period

00:14:50.140 for not proceeding with prosecution on Rochdale,

00:14:54.280 in the Rochdale Groom Gang,

00:14:55.840 on the basis that the main victim was unreliable.

00:14:58.900 It's like, right.

00:15:00.060 Oh.

00:15:00.760 Really?

00:15:01.500 What were we expecting?

00:15:02.600 Was she supposed to come out with a very fine accent and very composed

00:15:05.640 and say, well, listen, these are the things that happened to me?

00:15:08.020 Or was she a drug-addled child who was raped by dozens of men?

00:15:11.760 And maybe that should have been taken into account.

00:15:14.220 God, that's nuts, isn't it?

00:15:15.540 I keep saying this about the victims of these horrific

00:15:19.440 Pakistani Muslim paedophile rape and torture gangs.

00:15:24.740 That's not even an exaggeration on the description

00:15:27.080 or the kind of gang they are, right?

00:15:28.720 Yeah.

00:15:29.000 Well, I just promised myself that I'm not going to shy away

00:15:32.360 from the facts of what they are.

00:15:34.640 But if you're too eloquent, are you really traumatised enough?

00:15:38.000 Did it really happen?

00:15:39.180 If you're a little bit sketchy, then, oh, well, I'm sure she was asking for it.

00:15:43.580 If you're really traumatised, how can you believe a word of what they say?

00:15:46.600 So it's a really, it's so disgusting, the whole thing, which is, I went to, where did I go?

00:15:53.100 Oldham on Saturday and did a Let Women Speak.

00:15:55.940 Oh, yes.

00:15:56.860 It was great.

00:15:57.760 Well, we had, you know, it's the first one that we're focused,

00:16:00.380 we're not really focusing specifically on Pakistani Muslim paedophile rape and torture gangs,

00:16:07.940 but we are going to the places where they've operated

00:16:10.080 in order to facilitate those women that have been ignored, routinely ignored,

00:16:15.260 and felt that they haven't been able to speak.

00:16:17.720 I want to give them a voice.

00:16:20.320 And so we're starting to go to those places because, as you well know,

00:16:26.520 anybody who tries to talk about this is a far-right racist.

00:16:30.260 Yes.

00:16:30.500 So I'm using that label and I'm going everywhere that I can to give these women a voice.

00:16:37.180 Because I just don't want it to be, I want those,

00:16:40.300 I want every woman to always think that whatever she wants to say

00:16:43.440 about whatever experience she has, she's had, is enough.

00:16:48.180 And she doesn't need someone to sanitise it or to invite her onto a panel

00:16:51.700 or tell her she's, you know, that's okay, you have permission.

00:16:54.460 I just want her to be able to speak.

00:16:56.240 So I think that might, I'm not saying it will crack that particular nut,

00:16:59.560 but I think it will help alongside all the other work that everybody is doing.

00:17:04.320 Yeah, I think so.

00:17:05.140 To break it.

00:17:06.240 Well, one of the main problems that we've had in this country

00:17:08.880 and people who are not from this country,

00:17:11.640 they find it very difficult to believe that the word racist has such power here.

00:17:17.120 But it is, I can't overstate how terrified the polite society of Britain

00:17:22.780 is at the stigmatisation of the word racist.

00:17:25.880 It is enough to allow this to carry on for decades.

00:17:32.460 It really is.

00:17:33.880 And again, people in foreign countries are like, well, why would that be the case?

00:17:37.120 It's like, okay, I can't, it's a long thing to explain and I can't do it.

00:17:40.060 Well, they'd rather, I always say they'd rather protect a rapist.

00:17:43.060 They'd rather protect a rapist than be accused of being a racist.

00:17:46.760 Yeah, they think being a racist is worse than being a racist.

00:17:48.820 Yeah, they absolutely do.

00:17:50.040 Yeah, 100%.

00:17:51.060 And that's mental, obviously.

00:17:53.540 Yeah.

00:17:54.940 Anyway, they carry on and say the 2014 Professor Jay report regarding Rotherham

00:17:59.600 said the police would often cite the CPS as being unwilling to prosecute alleged perpetrators.

00:18:05.640 But they became more helpful after this kind of exploded into the public consciousness.

00:18:09.800 And everyone was like, well, hang on a second.

00:18:11.400 It's actually worse to be a rapist, by the way.

00:18:13.660 And this is a repeated thing.

00:18:15.880 So not good is the record of Starmer's track on the grooming gangs.

00:18:21.440 Anyway, so you had a bunch of institutions that were coming out in defense of the grooming gangs,

00:18:26.140 which I thought was weird.

00:18:27.140 Women's Aid was a weird one.

00:18:28.780 Because, of course, Jess Phillips threw herself on the grenade and said,

00:18:31.920 no, I'm the real victim of this, which is probably, oh, look, the first reply.

00:18:36.320 Did you see all of her interviews where, wouldn't you have just said, if that was you,

00:18:40.540 I don't want to make this about me, let's keep the focus on the victims of these horrific crimes?

00:18:45.440 I retweeted it when you said it.

00:18:46.840 So I was just like, yeah.

00:18:47.920 I mean, Jess, now's just not the time, love.

00:18:50.120 No.

00:18:50.540 It's not the time.

00:18:51.400 You know, I appreciate you are the real victim, just not right now.

00:18:54.120 Okay.

00:18:54.560 You can't even buy a Tesla now.

00:18:56.940 Jesus.

00:18:57.820 God, look at what it's come to.

00:18:59.940 And so there was Women's Aid.

00:19:02.180 But then you had the NHS as well, which was very interesting.

00:19:05.080 So you had this chap saying, look, I'm a qualified clinician.

00:19:06.920 And basically for the mental health services, we would do nothing for this.

00:19:11.680 We would do nothing to help these people because, of course, we're a politically correct institution too.

00:19:19.320 And then you have the local councils who have decided that you're a racist for calling them Pakistani grooming or rape gangs.

00:19:26.020 Ah, that's a shame.

00:19:27.100 Yeah, I know.

00:19:27.860 I know.

00:19:28.280 That's it.

00:19:28.900 But the local councils, of course, were the ones complicit with the cover-up.

00:19:32.700 But often they would be directly involved, if not involved in a secondary way.

00:19:38.200 So this, and again, this really speaks to Jess Phillips going, no, we're going to have local, the councils can do the investigations themselves.

00:19:44.060 It's like, I don't really want them checking their own homework on this, actually.

00:19:47.520 No, no.

00:19:48.420 And why not both?

00:19:49.660 Why not national and regional?

00:19:51.980 And then join them all up and see who's lying.

00:19:55.260 But also, why not do both?

00:19:57.340 Why not do as much as possible?

00:19:58.480 Because the Labour Party is complicit and they're like, we're not going to incriminate ourselves, are we?

00:20:04.780 So bad.

00:20:05.720 It's terrible.

00:20:06.760 And I realise that we're kind of making light of it, but that's only because of how ridiculous our country is.

00:20:11.540 Like, an institutionally nonce-y party is in government defending the rights of immigrants to nonce our kids.

00:20:19.040 And it's like, okay, and by the way, I mean, the Met Police Chief will always come out and say this.

00:20:22.860 It's like, by the way, it's wrong to say that that's the case.

00:20:25.480 It's not incorrect.

00:20:26.680 No.

00:20:27.120 Obviously.

00:20:27.480 Well, all rapists matter.

00:20:29.380 I just want to have my position there.

00:20:31.380 I believe this is literally what he says.

00:20:32.780 All the threats from all the races and ethnicities.

00:20:36.180 All rapists matter is literally the Met Police's position on this.

00:20:39.760 Because we are actually run by a clownocracy.

00:20:43.460 And in fact, let's move on to talking about the clownocracy in a minute.

00:20:47.280 Because this, I mean, any final thoughts on this, by the way?

00:20:50.740 Well, look, I think, I use the words cannon fodder.

00:20:56.880 Like, it's the, you obviously, I listen to people all the time saying, oh, he's a yob, or that person just using it for their own end.

00:21:05.280 And I'm like, these men that you castigate and you sort of think they don't really care.

00:21:12.460 Like, why wouldn't they care?

00:21:14.300 Like, why wouldn't any decent person care about girls being raped?

00:21:19.420 But it just, I just don't get it.

00:21:21.800 And I think those men that we, like, oh, they're so impolite and they use bad language.

00:21:26.440 And they're cannon fodder.

00:21:28.300 They're the guys that go out and on the front line that we're quite happy to die for this country.

00:21:32.620 And the girls that are being systematically raped up and down the country, they're the female equivalent.

00:21:39.020 You know, they're just, nobody cares about them.

00:21:41.860 Nobody cares about them.

00:21:43.340 And so that's why I think it's in all of our, it should be an absolute priority for all of us who speak about it

00:21:49.620 to continue to keep revisiting it and speaking about it and keep it in the public consciousness.

00:21:54.400 And I know your good friend does that, but it just has to, it has to be all different voices.

00:22:00.740 So people don't have the excuse of saying, I don't want to align with that person or I don't want to align with that person.

00:22:06.080 So sick of it.

00:22:06.800 Yeah, I don't care about that stuff, but I know other people do.

00:22:09.440 Yeah, they do, but they really have to get over it.

00:22:11.360 Because I mean, like, one of the things that bothers me in the case of Mr. Robinson is that it's not like he needed to do this for money.

00:22:19.060 He was a successful property developer, right?

00:22:21.440 So this, this, and the thing is he's a father of daughters.

00:22:24.860 I'm a father of daughters.

00:22:25.980 A lot of these men who are concerned about this are fathers of daughters and they don't want this to happen to theirs.

00:22:31.860 Well, I read a Julie Bindle article where she basically attributed any man looking after his daughter as if it was property.

00:22:37.420 And I'm like, you're just telling on yourself because my husband loves his children and he would come and do something because he loves his daughter.

00:22:49.320 You know what, Julie?

00:22:49.680 Not because he thinks that's mine.

00:22:51.360 Yeah, no, you know what?

00:22:52.140 No, I'm fine.

00:22:53.220 No, yeah, yeah.

00:22:54.000 She is my daughter.

00:22:55.760 She belongs to me.

00:22:56.860 I'm not having some immigrant noncer.

00:22:59.180 I'm not, I'm not having it, you know.

00:23:01.000 Even, you know, I don't care if Julie Bindle's like, well, you just look at it like an object.

00:23:04.340 Okay, fine, Julie.

00:23:05.740 It's just still, that's not going to happen under my watch.

00:23:08.500 I'm not having it, you know.

00:23:09.920 I can't tell you the violent imagery in my head when I think about someone hurting one of my kids.

00:23:14.520 No, no.

00:23:14.820 But I would enjoy it.

00:23:16.120 I would make it last and it would be so terribly violent.

00:23:19.700 But it would be justice.

00:23:21.260 A hundred percent, yeah.

00:23:22.540 It would be completely justified.

00:23:24.520 It would be rebalancing the cosmic scales of right and wrong.

00:23:27.820 Yes.

00:23:28.240 You know what I mean?

00:23:28.620 That's how I look at this.

00:23:29.720 And this is, honestly, this is kind of an old English view of justice that I think is correct.

00:23:34.160 This is why, even now, most people in England are in favour of the death penalty.

00:23:38.660 And that's just if you ask them just off the bat.

00:23:40.480 If you then go, okay, but what about child murderers?

00:23:42.940 That's like 65% of people in England.

00:23:44.820 Oh, yeah, hang them, you know, obviously.

00:23:46.780 And zero percent of those people are in government.

00:23:49.560 Like, zero MPs.

00:23:51.360 Oh, actually, Rupert Lowe's probably in favour of it, to be fair.

00:23:54.600 But the MPs are all to the left of the general public on the death penalty.

00:23:58.780 Yes.

00:23:59.100 And various other issues like that.

00:24:01.260 And it's like, but I completely agree with you.

00:24:02.880 As I know, it would be absolutely morally correct to revisit this on these people.

00:24:07.120 Yeah, good.

00:24:08.480 Anyway, and this is something my wife has been banging on about for years.

00:24:11.980 Because I used to be a lot more liberal than I am now, right?

00:24:14.600 And I was always like, oh, no, no, no, you know, death penalty, maybe a mistake or something like that.

00:24:18.880 My wife was just like, hang them, I don't care, hang them.

00:24:21.100 And over the years, I've aligned with her position.

00:24:24.300 And now she's like, see, I was right, wasn't I?

00:24:25.640 I'm like, damn it.

00:24:26.900 She was right.

00:24:27.660 Yeah.

00:24:27.960 I have to admit it.

00:24:28.520 Well, I kind of feel like I'm a character in a Guy Ritchie movie.

00:24:34.100 And I feel like Vinnie Jones when there's someone in the car and he's threatening his son.

00:24:38.600 And then he just repeatedly slams the car door on this person's head.

00:24:41.740 And I'm like, I'm with you.

00:24:43.480 I can empathise.

00:24:45.980 Yeah.

00:24:46.180 And you know what really annoys me, though, is that the very nature of the concern for the criminal is to isolate the event and make it seem like the criminal is the focus of what is happening here.

00:24:58.840 Because, I mean, we go, OK, well, the criminal's within our power and therefore, well, we don't want them to suffer.

00:25:03.940 And that's literally the Keir Starmer position on it.

00:25:06.060 I'm like, no, because 10 minutes ago, they had someone vulnerable in their power and showed no mercy.

00:25:14.300 Yes.

00:25:14.360 And that continuum of events is important.

00:25:18.040 You can't just isolate this moment in time and say, well, look, he can't hurt anyone right now.

00:25:22.460 It's like, well, that's because we stopped him from hurting someone right then.

00:25:25.800 And so I'm much more on the continuum view of justice, which is, no, you pay for the things you did in the past.

00:25:31.560 Yeah.

00:25:32.060 I'm kind of at the, if you totally go against somebody else's human rights, so you rape, torture, kill, whatever, then you've foregone your own.

00:25:41.660 Like, you don't get to then say, what about my human rights?

00:25:44.840 Because you've lost yours.

00:25:45.980 Yeah, what about them?

00:25:46.280 That's the bargain.

00:25:47.080 What about them?

00:25:47.840 Yeah.

00:25:48.160 Don't recall asking about them, actually.

00:25:49.700 No.

00:25:50.320 You know, and, you know, if we're going to talk about human rights, we'll use you as the standard for human rights, shall we?

00:25:56.340 You know, what do you think about human rights, really?

00:25:58.140 You know, yeah, I'm totally, I'm so sick of the idea of justice as rehabilitation.

00:26:05.340 No, justice is vengeance.

00:26:06.740 Okay.

00:26:07.060 Justice is vengeance of the good society against the criminal, the evil doer, the wrong doer, the person who would like to completely upend the just order of things.

00:26:15.300 That's what justice is about.

00:26:16.600 It's, you know, I'm totally off of that now.

00:26:19.080 Anyway, we'll go through some of the comments at the end, just because I don't want to interrupt the role we're on.

00:26:25.200 Anyway, so let's go to the clownocracy, right?

00:26:27.200 So it's not bad enough that the Labour Party is intrinsically an evil organization run by total midwits.

00:26:34.720 The problem is that they're in government, right?

00:26:37.360 Yeah.

00:26:37.540 I'm okay with evil organizations run by midwits as long as they come nowhere near power.

00:26:42.280 And unfortunately, they do.

00:26:43.820 So this is the Chagos Islands.

00:26:46.380 I'd never heard of them.

00:26:48.080 No?

00:26:48.560 No one had ever heard of them.

00:26:50.040 And then one day, Keir Starmer's like, yes, we're going to give these away.

00:26:52.920 It's like, oh, why?

00:26:55.260 Well, no reason.

00:26:56.460 I mean, it's not like Mauritius is putting diplomatic pressure on the British government to give away this remote island chain that we're using.

00:27:08.380 And so in October, Keir Starmer was just like, hey, we're going to give this Indian Ocean territory back to Mauritius.

00:27:14.080 Mauritius is not really a sovereign country.

00:27:16.140 It's a tiny island.

00:27:17.860 But also...

00:27:18.460 I've been to Mauritius.

00:27:19.960 It's very lovely.

00:27:20.860 I'm sure it's lovely.

00:27:21.720 But it's not like a military power.

00:27:24.660 And it's never had Mauritius, of course.

00:27:27.660 It's never had the Chagos Islands because, of course, we were the imperial power ruling over all of this, which is why we have the islands and a base on the islands anyway.

00:27:35.980 This is a little diagram of the military base.

00:27:37.940 And you see, it's just a little American military base.

00:27:41.240 And so Keir Starmer just came out and said, right, we're going to give this away.

00:27:44.560 And everyone was like, why?

00:27:46.380 And he's like, because.

00:27:48.660 And so everyone was like, oh, well, wait, does that mean we're going to get other islands back?

00:27:51.760 And, of course, this is a big deal because, of course, the Argentinians were like, oh, we'd like the Falklands back.

00:27:57.160 And they're like, no, no, no, we're never going to give the Falklands back.

00:27:59.300 I said, but why not?

00:28:00.740 If we're going to give one island, why not the rest of them?

00:28:03.400 And they said, no, no, don't worry.

00:28:04.720 It's unwavering commitment, despite the Chagos stuff.

00:28:07.860 And so this is where it starts getting really stupid.

00:28:09.740 It's kind of weird to start dismembering your own territory anyway.

00:28:12.540 It's really weird.

00:28:13.180 You get into government.

00:28:13.920 I'm going to start just giving away territory.

00:28:16.200 It's a really weird thing to do.

00:28:17.880 But then it's like, OK, we are going to pay them to take the migrants that are on the island from them.

00:28:23.920 And we're going to send them to another remote island that we have.

00:28:28.060 Like, St. Helena is a remote island in the middle of the Atlantic, off the coast of Africa.

00:28:31.480 Like, I say off the coast.

00:28:32.960 We're halfway between Africa and South America.

00:28:35.620 It's like, why would they want the Chagos Island migrants, who are like illegal immigrants,

00:28:41.000 who have got to the Chagos Islands, who are being held in a little camp on the Chagos Islands.

00:28:44.800 So we're going to pay six and a half million to go send them to St. Helena.

00:28:48.540 What are we doing?

00:28:49.460 What are you doing this for, right?

00:28:50.760 And so this was bizarre.

00:28:53.440 It's going to cost us loads of money.

00:28:54.860 And we're doing it completely unprompted.

00:28:57.300 And then the Americans were like, hang on a second.

00:28:59.900 There's an American military base on that.

00:29:02.100 We want you to keep that.

00:29:03.920 It's like, OK, so now the Labour government has decided to try and negotiate with Mauritius

00:29:09.540 to give them nine billion pounds for us to keep the base on the island we still own,

00:29:17.880 because this deal hasn't been finalized.

00:29:20.100 So Mauritius must be like, well, this is brilliant.

00:29:22.840 We're going to get a free island.

00:29:24.000 Are you going to give us nine billion for a 99-year lease on the base on this island?

00:29:30.600 Are you getting to a point where you're going to tell me what this is, like, why?

00:29:36.100 Do you know why?

00:29:36.700 No one knows why.

00:29:37.460 No one knows.

00:29:38.040 Well, there's clearly down the line, we're all going to find out why, aren't we?

00:29:42.460 It's going to be something absolutely dreadful.

00:29:45.000 But there's not no reason, is it?

00:29:47.180 I don't even think it's going to be dreadful.

00:29:48.380 I think it's going to be stupid.

00:29:50.080 I think it's going to be really, really stupid.

00:29:52.860 Because there's just...

00:29:53.660 It's anti-American.

00:29:54.460 Is it about that military base?

00:29:56.740 And you know what?

00:29:57.520 It looks like it is.

00:29:58.420 Because, of course, Trump's coming in in like a week now.

00:30:01.960 And it seems they've been trying to fast track this, to get this given away before Trump gets in.

00:30:07.960 So it seems like just a way of harming Trump.

00:30:10.200 But it's a really weird and tangential way.

00:30:12.460 But the point is, no one can understand why.

00:30:15.080 Why are we going to give away an island that we own, and that no one's about to take from us?

00:30:19.720 An empty island.

00:30:20.940 Like, it's just an outline of an island.

00:30:24.120 Basically an empty island, yes.

00:30:26.200 And then we're going to pay £9 billion to the people we give it to, to keep the base.

00:30:31.400 And we're going to pay £6.5 million to move people who shouldn't even be on the island

00:30:36.460 to a different island where they don't belong either.

00:30:39.240 It's like, okay, clowns.

00:30:41.220 Absolute clowns.

00:30:42.020 And, you know, the £9 billion we're going to give them, well, we are going to have to

00:30:47.040 raise another £9 billion to avoid public service cuts.

00:30:49.940 It's weird how these numbers keep aligning.

00:30:52.700 Like, you know, when they said, oh, there's a £22 billion black hole in the finances.

00:30:56.200 Oh, yeah.

00:30:56.440 We're also going to give £22 billion for carbon capture or something.

00:30:59.220 So why would you literally spend a black hole's worth of money on carbon capture?

00:31:03.680 It's mental, right?

00:31:04.880 Absolutely mental.

00:31:05.920 Rachel from Accounts.

00:31:06.920 Yeah, we'll get on to Rachel from Accounts in a bit, actually, because she's having a

00:31:10.680 rough time of it.

00:31:11.280 She's dynamic, isn't she?

00:31:12.440 She's brilliant.

00:31:13.140 We'll carry on.

00:31:14.220 Honestly, I feel like the country is being ruled by the office.

00:31:18.920 You know?

00:31:20.180 Yeah.

00:31:20.740 Keir Starmer is...

00:31:21.520 He's going to do...

00:31:22.440 Any minute.

00:31:24.240 Thankfully, he's not that embarrassing.

00:31:25.380 But he is that dumb and totally tone-deaf, and so is Rachel Reeves.

00:31:30.140 But anyway, so even the BBC is like, well, hang on a second.

00:31:32.420 Where's the growth in the budget?

00:31:34.000 You bring out a budget.

00:31:35.200 You're like, yep, we're £22 billion in the hole.

00:31:37.400 I need to raise £44 billion in taxes.

00:31:39.500 It's like, Rachel, those numbers are not the same, actually.

00:31:43.060 They don't add up.

00:31:44.080 That's actually twice as much as you needed.

00:31:46.500 And they've already lied, haven't they?

00:31:47.760 So they said, oh, we're going to raise, I think it was, I don't know, £1.6 billion from

00:31:51.520 this VAT on private schools, and that's going to go straight into...

00:31:55.240 And I just said to people, you have to understand the way money works, and it isn't...

00:31:59.560 You can't go, oh, we've now got that bit of money, so we're going to put that...

00:32:03.120 That isn't how many works, that isn't how many of us work, that isn't how GDP works.

00:32:07.420 And you have to not believe it when they say, we're going to do this because we need

00:32:10.820 to pay for this.

00:32:11.600 It's nonsense and lies.

00:32:13.500 Yes.

00:32:14.660 I mean, that's literally just, it's nonsense and lies.

00:32:17.280 And you remember Keir Starmer was very much, look, this is going to be a government of

00:32:22.220 growth.

00:32:22.640 And it's like, look, I'm not an economist, but even I realise that if you are raising

00:32:28.100 taxes, you are inhibiting growth.

00:32:30.680 Yes.

00:32:31.080 Because the money that you're stealing from me, and this business is a good example,

00:32:36.220 we've got to pay a 25% corporation tax.

00:32:38.180 Well, that's 25% fewer employees I can have, right?

00:32:41.420 The more you take from me, the fewer people I can employ and the worse the economy gets

00:32:46.860 in a small fraction.

00:32:48.720 And if you apply that to the entire civilisation, well, then you can see how someone like Millay

00:32:54.120 would say, this is a parasitical entity that's sucking the life out of our country.

00:32:59.240 Because I don't think people realise how much tax they pay.

00:33:01.940 So if someone buys something from me for like a tenner on my website, I have to pay VAT

00:33:06.600 on that sale, and I might have, and I claim my VAT back, right, so on the, when I purchase

00:33:13.860 it.

00:33:14.400 But then I have to pay PAYE on every employee, and I have to pay PAYE on my own income, and

00:33:20.240 I have to pay corporation tax, and I have to pay all these other things.

00:33:24.260 So out of that one pound or ten pounds or whatever, such a significant portion of that

00:33:29.240 is just given back to the government.

00:33:31.240 And for less and less, so I have no A&E in my town.

00:33:36.600 I'm actually banned from my doctors.

00:33:38.980 But that's because I challenged someone on a pronoun badge.

00:33:41.620 But you couldn't get a doctor's appointment anyway, unless you go and stand outside of

00:33:45.620 the doctors at eight o'clock in the morning, like in the 1950s.

00:33:49.940 Well, I don't know.

00:33:50.880 I mean, in the 1950s, they probably would have had fewer people waiting.

00:33:56.160 I mean, in this...

00:33:56.960 Yeah, we were healthier, I think.

00:33:58.280 Yeah.

00:33:58.780 Or dead.

00:33:59.420 In the 70s and 80s, the doctors would come to your house.

00:34:02.400 I know.

00:34:03.040 People don't believe me when I tell them.

00:34:04.660 I remember going to a doctor's house, so Dr. Forth.

00:34:07.560 I can't remember.

00:34:07.940 I might have had an ear infection or something when I was eight.

00:34:10.360 And it was out of hours.

00:34:11.920 And so you'd phone, and then they'd give you an out of hours doctor.

00:34:15.720 Yeah.

00:34:16.400 It wasn't called an out...

00:34:17.520 It was just called a doctor.

00:34:18.960 And you'd go along, but they were full-time.

00:34:21.360 I think my mother's surgery in Glastonbury in Somerset, most of the people working are part-time

00:34:27.680 GPs, so you can never get an appointment.

00:34:31.540 And then it's...

00:34:32.340 Oh, it's so terrible.

00:34:33.620 But anyway, I went to Dr. Forth's house at like eight o'clock in the evening for him

00:34:38.660 to see me.

00:34:39.560 Like, can you imagine?

00:34:41.160 Not now.

00:34:41.920 I can't know.

00:34:42.560 But I remember that things used to be better because I'm old.

00:34:47.320 Anyway, so obviously this has caused a complete economic flatline.

00:34:52.120 The business leaders around the world said the UK is just the worst of all worlds at

00:34:56.120 the moment.

00:34:56.560 Yeah.

00:34:57.100 Yeah, it's true.

00:34:58.140 It's absolutely true.

00:34:59.120 We have a giant parasitic government run by communists who thinks they can literally tax

00:35:03.720 their way to prosperity.

00:35:05.740 Except themselves, obviously.

00:35:07.080 They probably will avoid some of that.

00:35:09.900 Of course.

00:35:10.340 And so this has created conditions worse than when Liz Truss was in charge for the bond

00:35:15.300 market.

00:35:15.680 Now, like I said, I'm not an economist.

00:35:18.200 I don't understand the bond market.

00:35:20.180 But the point is, if you look at these graphs, you can see where it spikes under Liz Truss,

00:35:23.900 but then it's higher now under Rachel Reeves.

00:35:26.760 Is the world coming to an end?

00:35:29.060 No.

00:35:29.340 Is the sky falling?

00:35:30.100 No.

00:35:30.680 Is Rachel Reeves being forced out of her job?

00:35:32.620 Is Keir Starmer being forced out of his job?

00:35:34.160 No.

00:35:35.060 This is all a big stitch up, basically.

00:35:37.760 And so, okay, Rachel Reeves is worse for the economy than Liz Truss.

00:35:41.720 And the thing is, Liz Truss was making unpleasant decisions that would be good in the future.

00:35:46.740 Yeah, that's what I, I mean, my understanding is that it was all good to take the mickey

00:35:51.360 out of, but nobody really dealt with the substance of what her policies would have done.

00:35:55.320 No.

00:35:55.520 They all were a bit like, oh, it's rubbish.

00:35:57.800 Oh, she lasted less time than a lettuce.

00:35:59.680 And nobody's actually thought, well, you know, economics-wise, would that have been good,

00:36:04.860 what she was intending on doing?

00:36:06.800 So, Liz Truss's big crime was that they would have had to have been borrowing

00:36:11.020 to maintain the level of public services that we have.

00:36:15.080 And not just public services, but just benefits, redistribution, all this sort of stuff.

00:36:19.120 But what she would have done is reduce the taxes on businesses and individuals, so the

00:36:24.580 economy would have, six months down the line, been bigger than it was.

00:36:28.920 Because we would have employed more people.

00:36:30.120 And so the tax revenue from each person being employed, and each person, and it's not just

00:36:33.680 being employed, it's spending.

00:36:34.640 I mean, like, the amount of money you spend on, you know, a chocolate bar from the shop,

00:36:40.900 like, 20% of that goes to the government.

00:36:43.020 And so, okay, well, if more people have more money, more things can get bought, more revenue

00:36:47.980 can be raised by the state, and this would have caught up.

00:36:51.560 And so it would have been a justified period of borrowing, because you are actually allowing

00:36:56.000 the economy to grow.

00:36:56.760 Well, Rachel Reeves has done the opposite, and arrived in a worse place than Liz Truss,

00:37:01.300 economically.

00:37:02.640 And so Liz Truss has actually signed, her tenure is aging better than it would.

00:37:07.700 And basically, it's essentially just kind of Thatcherism-lite, where it's fine.

00:37:12.320 I'm up for it.

00:37:13.300 Well, they've done this thing, there used to be this, like, meme-y thing, where you'd say

00:37:16.840 you have a packet of biscuits, and what the rich people are doing is they're taking all

00:37:20.060 the biscuits and giving you one biscuit, and then saying, oh, look, they're trying to steal

00:37:23.200 your biscuit.

00:37:24.100 And I feel like the Labour Party are basically saying, oh, my God, those people got to eat,

00:37:30.400 and they ate a little bit more than you, therefore, nobody should eat.

00:37:33.820 Yes.

00:37:34.080 It's just, it's this proper politics of envy.

00:37:37.080 Like, the VAT on the private schools thing is so nuts.

00:37:39.840 I was about to bring that.

00:37:40.400 That is the worst.

00:37:40.840 That is the worst.

00:37:41.480 It's so, and how on earth does that work?

00:37:44.520 Because if you're a big school, if you're like Bristol Grammar School, for example, you're

00:37:48.520 probably redistributing that, all that, and you're very clever, and you can do it.

00:37:52.560 If you're a smaller private school that exists solely because the schools around are shockingly

00:37:57.780 bad, and the discipline is really bad, really bad, and maybe your child goes to a school,

00:38:03.300 I don't know, that has not so many girls as boys, and most of the boys' toilets are permanently

00:38:08.020 our order, or their heating completely breaks down.

00:38:11.620 The state of public schools in Britain.

00:38:13.660 It's her, and you've got Catherine Burblesy, right?

00:38:17.020 Amazing.

00:38:17.760 Sure.

00:38:17.900 Got this school, got the same people, and I argued with someone about it the other day,

00:38:21.800 and I was like, but it's such a great school, it's such a great school, and it's her.

00:38:25.560 She's put this back in, like, it's her belief that these kids can behave, and so on.

00:38:29.900 And so I was like, oh, no, I think it's her parents.

00:38:31.480 I was like, no, it's, it's, but if you had that school, why wouldn't you replicate that

00:38:35.460 everywhere? Why wouldn't you just say, let's have that everywhere?

00:38:38.340 Well, because you would, you would be essentially returning to kind of like Victorian standards

00:38:42.780 of propriety in schools. Yeah, now, I'm, I'm in 100% in favor of this, and I'm totally

00:38:50.260 unsympathetic to, oh, but what about the poor kids, and what about the poor kids? They'll

00:38:53.880 be all right.

00:38:54.720 Yeah, no, they need it.

00:38:55.820 Absolutely.

00:38:56.380 If your home life, home life is chaos, and I know I'm just, I'm going down a tangent here,

00:39:01.540 so I'll, I'll bring myself back in a minute. No, no, it's totally fine. But if your, if

00:39:04.340 your home life is chaos, and there's no discipline, and there's no expectation that you can behave

00:39:09.180 or achieve, then you need some sanctity and safety, that at nine o'clock, you actually

00:39:15.320 have seven hours, or whatever it is, that you're at school. You have those hours in that

00:39:19.480 day, where you are treated like someone who can do something. And that's what used to

00:39:26.360 happen in my school. We had naughty kids from bad families, but they came in, and they

00:39:30.100 behaved all day. And I bet they're much better off than if we're like, oh, well, little

00:39:34.340 Johnny, he can't really sit still. And, and you can't expect him not to swear at teachers.

00:39:39.020 And I can, I can expect all of these things, and I can make him do it, and he will be punished

00:39:42.500 until he does it. Like, I'm so sick of this permissiveness. And like, the whole thing is

00:39:48.500 predicated on the idea that the children kind of deserve to be at the very bottom level that

00:39:54.420 they're at, as if they, no, no, no, that you can't, like you say, you can't expect them

00:39:58.220 to, no, I can, and I will make them do it. And actually, that's for their good, because

00:40:03.180 what children actually need to become healthy, normal, well-adjusted adults is predictability.

00:40:08.780 They need to know that tomorrow is going to be like yesterday. And they need to know where

00:40:12.640 the boundaries are, and what happens if they cross the boundaries. And they will learn

00:40:16.460 themselves, they will start to control themselves to live within them. And then there'll be a

00:40:21.020 person who can be relied upon not to be a congenital criminal their entire lives.

00:40:25.800 Yeah, and they need to be scared witless of at least one person in that school.

00:40:29.380 Absolutely.

00:40:30.160 At least one.

00:40:30.940 There has to be a fear of the authority above them. And this is another, and it's a real sort

00:40:36.080 of like millennial problem. So, oh, I want to be my child's friend. You are not their friend.

00:40:40.520 You know, I remember years ago, like my dad once tried to call me mate. And I was like,

00:40:44.940 dad, I'm not your mate. I'm your son. You know, and he was like, oh, okay. And ever since

00:40:51.300 that, I don't know why I did that either. I was just like, no, I'm not your mate. You know,

00:40:54.840 I don't like hearing that. But I've, you know, like explored this train of thought and I've

00:41:00.120 realized, no, no, no, it's absolutely imperative that for the child's entire life, they understand

00:41:04.300 there is a hierarchy here and you are beneath your parents. And this is why you owe deference

00:41:08.960 to your parents. And this is why your parents are a source of guidance to you that you respect.

00:41:14.840 And this whole like, oh, we'll just equal that. No, it's atrocious. I hate it.

00:41:18.920 I agree. But anyway, getting, getting back to the economy. But on the, on the schools

00:41:25.120 thing, a bunch of these private schools have now closed, by the way, as well. A couple

00:41:29.520 of dozen, I think. It's like, okay, yeah, that's great, isn't it? You know, continual

00:41:33.080 shrinkage. The race to the bottom. Yeah, it's the race to the bottom. Degradation. And I send

00:41:38.160 my kids to a small private school. It's expensive for me, but it's not like expensive in the grand

00:41:44.240 scheme of things. And they're like, yeah, well, we're really worried about it. But I send

00:41:47.580 them there because it's a nice school. You know, my dad couldn't afford to send me to

00:41:51.000 a private school, but I can afford to send them to a private school. And it's, it's not

00:41:54.180 Eton. You know what I mean? I see loads of these labor activists being like, yeah, great,

00:41:57.220 another private school gone. It's like, a lot of this is well-meaning middle class parents

00:42:01.400 who just wants to give their children the start that they didn't have. Yes. This is not

00:42:05.980 like, you know, Eton billionaire school. And what does it, I mean, you have to really ask

00:42:11.200 what were they hoping to achieve? Because if it's only 1.6 billion. Yeah. Like, and I doubt

00:42:17.320 if it is even that much, but if it's only that, what is that going to do to a country's

00:42:21.600 budget? Because that's only once they, they get it, right? That's over. And then they

00:42:26.300 give it to the Chagos Islands. It's just, it's a, it's a signal to their membership, isn't

00:42:33.020 it? Like, oh, we're going to punish those people because they've got a little bit more

00:42:36.580 than you. Yeah. Well, yeah. Thanks. I worked really hard for what I have actually. But

00:42:42.320 anyway, so this is just a list of repeated bad decisions. This is an article by Adam

00:42:46.480 Brooks. We just go through, there's just so many. Just, you know, how Keir Starmer handled

00:42:50.120 the riots, how he handled the winter fuel allowance, the farmer's inheritance tax, national

00:42:55.140 insurance hikes, the waspy women betrayal, the grooming gangs inquiry refusal. And so this

00:43:00.100 is just this absolute cavalcade. And this is just, the Chagos Islands one is just the most

00:43:05.440 inexplicable one. I mean, at least on the other, like, problems, they can make kind

00:43:11.380 of a half reasonable argument that kind of defends themselves on it. But on the Chagos

00:43:15.420 one, this is, this is stupid and you're morons and it's costing us billions.

00:43:18.940 Yeah, but I just don't believe that it's for nothing. I think that we'll find out what

00:43:23.420 the reason is. Could well be. A couple of years down the line, if not sooner. And it will

00:43:27.880 still be equally as demented, but we will at least understand it. Yeah, it could be. And

00:43:34.120 again, it's, it's not like an important issue really, but it's just emblematic.

00:43:37.980 Well, we don't know, do we? Well, that's the thing. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It could

00:43:41.520 be that Labour has got their bloody child trafficking operation operating from it or

00:43:45.220 something like that. Oh, that'd be nice. I don't know. I think that's Ukraine, isn't

00:43:49.060 it? Well, that's the thing. It could be so many places, but it's definitely happening,

00:43:53.180 isn't it? But anyway, so the, the effect of all of this, let's go to the next one,

00:43:57.880 Samson, is that the, the Labour headquarters, what I've affectionately called the

00:44:03.280 Starmer bunker must be, there must be just sweat dripping off the walls at this point.

00:44:08.900 Just absolutely stressed. Can you imagine what Labour's WhatsApp groups look like on a

00:44:12.500 daily basis? Well, maybe it looked like that Kaplan guy's Twitter feed. Well, I'm sure

00:44:18.340 that he's coming up in the WhatsApp groups a lot recently. It's like, sorry, what, what's

00:44:21.960 this? Why? Another scandal? Oh, brilliant. Add it to the pile. And the, the wheels are

00:44:28.940 coming off the clown car, basically. Yes. And it's very clear. So the Treasury has turned

00:44:33.800 around to, um, Rachel from accounts, which I've been told that's a very sexist thing to

00:44:38.220 call. I don't care. Yeah, I don't care. I couldn't care less. She seems, she seems, she

00:44:43.940 seems unqualified for that job. But also, why does she dress for the job that she had,

00:44:50.480 right? Like, she's not, she, like, she looks like a middle manager accountant. That's just

00:44:56.940 exactly what she looks like. A lot of women in government, though, I've noticed as well,

00:45:00.700 and on the TV, are beginning to look like they're going out, like they're going out for a night,

00:45:06.660 they're going out for a nice dinner or like evening, whereas she doesn't, she just looks

00:45:10.140 like she needs a stylist. She looks like she's in a Halifax advert. Yeah. I've got some great

00:45:14.720 mortgage deals. I mean, but that's literally what I think she's saying in that speech. Oh,

00:45:18.860 I mean, no, I don't, I don't know. I've no idea. But that's what she looks like, she's

00:45:22.880 saying, right? Yeah. Like, it's, but you are right. There is a kind of weird, like Angela

00:45:27.740 Rainer, it's like, I don't know, she's always wearing red dresses. Yeah, no, look, I, maybe

00:45:33.420 I'm, it's just because I'm 50, but I kind of think, if you're reading the news, I don't

00:45:38.080 want to see your shoulders. Yeah. I just don't want to, I just want you in business attire.

00:45:41.800 If you're teaching. Yeah. I remember going to one of my kids' private, um, private schools,

00:45:45.960 um, uh, parent evenings, not private schools, I don't know where they came from. And the

00:45:50.340 teacher turned up in really high, barely could walk in stilettos, skin tight leggings and

00:45:56.740 a vest stop and loads of makeup. And I just sat there thinking, do you know you're a teacher?

00:46:02.160 Like, do you know you're a teacher? And I feel the same with some of these women in sort

00:46:06.700 of positions of power, you know, just, just be, be whatever you're supposed to be. Wear

00:46:12.100 really smart business attire. Like, you look like you know what you're doing.

00:46:16.360 Yeah. Don't dress like you're in a Halifax advert. Um, but anyway, the, the treasury has,

00:46:21.180 uh, basically been forced to address, uh, Rachel Reeves by saying, look, you are going to have

00:46:26.940 to be ruthless in identifying public spending cuts. Uh, the, so this internal letter that,

00:46:32.480 uh, the times has seen, uh, sorry, the telegraph has seen, uh, admits that quote, difficult decisions

00:46:37.400 on budgets will be needed. As in, you raised twice as much as you needed. That doesn't cover

00:46:43.040 everything that you're spending. The country cannot afford the weight of what you are trying

00:46:47.740 to do. So you are going to have to cut down because of course, this is why the bond market

00:46:52.440 is in uproar at the moment. Things aren't going well. And so Rachel Reeves is reportedly struggling.

00:46:58.840 So this is from, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, surprise, shock, who could have imagined? Um, but, uh,

00:47:05.760 sources close to the treasury say the chancellor is quote, very depressed and that her reputation

00:47:10.760 for prudence would have been so quickly destroyed in the claim that she can't see a way out.

00:47:15.000 She's got choices to make. She knows they're all, I don't want to swear, but bad. Um, and,

00:47:20.840 uh, she appeared pale and drawn at a prime minister's question time, which I mean, Jesus. Yeah.

00:47:26.820 That's not flattering. No. The thing is, I don't know, like where I live, not very far from

00:47:32.940 where I live. You could walk through an estate and you've got people living next to each other.

00:47:37.880 And some of those people are two people working in the household full time. And the other thing

00:47:43.100 might be like, uh, uh, either a single parent or a couple of people who don't really work

00:47:48.260 living in identical houses, living with identical cars, or maybe sometimes, you know, and going

00:47:55.240 on holiday and you're like something we have to make work pay. I remember everyone taking

00:48:00.880 the mickey out of that Ian Duncan Smith when he was sort of upset about someone not working

00:48:05.380 and, and how terrible, and I, and I was on the left and I probably, yeah, I was a terrible

00:48:09.760 person. I remember this. And I remember making a video in like 2014 against Ian Duncan Smith.

00:48:15.280 Yes. And now that I'm 10 years older, I'm like, no, he, he did have a point there.

00:48:19.000 Yeah, absolutely. We, we have to, you, you have to have purpose. You just have to have a purpose.

00:48:24.140 You have to get up and do something for your day and feel like you, you've achieved something,

00:48:28.400 which is the same as the kids in school, right? Yeah. You just need to, you just need to have

00:48:33.180 something about you that, that makes you feel good about yourself. I, I, maybe she doesn't

00:48:38.140 anymore. But also there's, there's, I'm so tired of the obvious injustice of I get up, I go to work

00:48:48.500 and I see, I mean, not where I live, but you know, you know, that there are people who are getting up

00:48:53.000 and going to work and then watching like, you know, their neighbor who's been on benefits for 20 years.

00:48:58.400 Just come and put the rubbish out or something in his pajamas and then go back in and start

00:49:03.020 cracking up a beer and watching daytime TV. It's like that guy shouldn't have a house.

00:49:07.720 I'm sorry. If you don't work, you know, I hate to invoke the sort of Lenin perspective,

00:49:12.220 but he who does not work should not eat. It's like, yeah, that's actually a kind of reasonable

00:49:17.220 position to be honest.

00:49:19.500 I'd like to also like people that can't work.

00:49:23.100 Sure.

00:49:23.320 So people that can't work, I'd like them not to have such a terrible subsistence where

00:49:28.560 they can't afford stuff. And I'm not saying that you kind of make people rich, but it's,

00:49:34.000 you know, when, when you know that people are fighting for their cars and stuff.

00:49:37.140 Make sure they're not starving and they're not homeless.

00:49:38.180 It's just, it's not that much.

00:49:39.500 It's, yeah, it's, I, it's all a little bit backwards in this country where you're sort

00:49:44.840 of, the less you do, the more you're rewarded.

00:49:46.880 Yes.

00:49:47.300 And that, that can't be right. It can't be right. And I guess it's an extension of those

00:49:51.780 working class girls and the working class boys we don't care about. The working class

00:49:55.660 adults that do all the work that we clapped for. We were so happy.

00:49:59.400 Well, we were being lost.

00:50:00.520 And we clapped for all of them.

00:50:02.580 But the people that we clapped for, we now, we, we have utter disdain for really. We don't

00:50:08.340 want to pay them any better. We kind of think it's bad if they, you know, if they, if they

00:50:13.200 earn anything and we want to make their lives difficult, but then we also want to, so we

00:50:16.960 don't really want to speak to them. We want to speak for them when they're useful. But

00:50:20.840 then the rest of the time we want to make everyone as poor as them. You know, it's very

00:50:25.140 odd.

00:50:25.460 We've got, I mean, the, the threshold for benefits is really high. And it was actually

00:50:32.760 the conservatives who capped, um, for example, child benefits, um, 26 grand a year or something.

00:50:38.920 I mean, it took me a lot, you know, I must've been in my late twenties before I was earning

00:50:43.340 26 grand. You know, I wasn't like a high earner when I was young. And so it, I, I, there have

00:50:49.420 been periods in my life where it just hasn't been worth getting a job because of the amount

00:50:53.040 of benefits you could have got. Right. And I was a man, I was a single man. It's not like

00:50:56.880 I was getting loads of benefits. I can't even imagine if I had been a single mother with

00:51:00.800 two kids or something, then you're, you're bringing in way more than you could personally

00:51:05.900 ever actually earn on the job market.

00:51:07.640 Yeah. And then if you combine that with the fact that the labor and conservative parties

00:51:11.760 have been so, have been sabotaging the earning potential of British workers by bringing in

00:51:18.260 millions of foreign workers to compete with them, then the labor market becomes a buyer's

00:51:23.160 market rather than a seller's market. Yeah. It's like, okay, great. But I'm the seller

00:51:26.420 of labor, you know, I'm not. Yeah. And you can't work more than 16 hours a week or something

00:51:30.540 if you're a single mom, because then you lose everything. Exactly. You lose all your benefits

00:51:34.480 and they've got various, so many regulations and it's just like, right. Okay. So they've

00:51:39.500 done everything they can to kind of keep everyone down at the lowest point. And then they're like,

00:51:44.560 okay, but if this guy or this woman or whatever, they just want to claim benefits, then we'll

00:51:49.360 give them a house. We'll give them this money. We'll give them spending money. And it's just

00:51:52.540 like, sorry, I know I'm being taken advantage of. Right. I know. And that's, and that's just

00:51:57.980 for like native Brits. And then if you look at like half of social housing in London is

00:52:01.940 going to people who are born overseas, it's like, how are people who are born overseas

00:52:05.300 able to claim any benefits in this country? Yeah. It's just be off the table, you know?

00:52:09.720 Well, it's all about GDP, isn't it? Well, apparently. I'm sure you know. Yeah. But, but is, is that

00:52:13.720 contributing to the GDP? Is that, is the Deliveroo economy really what this country is going

00:52:18.000 to be based on? Yes. Because let's say. Yes, says the labor government. Well, no, if your GDP

00:52:24.320 is here, it doesn't really matter whether every person in the country has got six quid or

00:52:28.120 one pound. That's correct. And that's, I think that's the next thing that we have, people

00:52:33.540 have to understand that that's what's really happening because then that stops you going,

00:52:38.080 but why? But that's exactly why. No, no, no. Because they don't care if we're all dirt

00:52:42.300 poor. It literally does not matter how the money is distributed. And so bringing in a million

00:52:47.080 more people each year, well, that's a million more one pounds. Yes. You had. Yes. And you,

00:52:52.640 you are completely correct on that. And so this, but this, this system that we're in

00:52:57.380 is why Rachel from accounts is at the point where she's like, well, look, she's got choices

00:53:03.100 to make and they're all bad. Well, actually, I'm not sure they are all bad. Because I mean,

00:53:06.560 like if you said, right, every one of these fake asylum seekers that we're spending five

00:53:11.940 billion a year on, we just kick them out. Yes. We just literally kick them out. Well,

00:53:16.560 that's five billion in savings you've made right there. But the thing is, there are also

00:53:19.300 going to be another series of like extraneous costs that this has put on the economy. For

00:53:24.640 example, I mean, the hotels that they're in, well, they're not actually doing business,

00:53:28.940 are they? No, I bet they get paid a lot, don't they? They do from us. Yes. So that's taxes

00:53:34.340 you can reduce. So that's more money that would go into the economy that would actually start

00:53:37.660 producing growth. Yes. Rather than being sucked up on these people. And that's just the

00:53:42.260 180,000 illegals who have managed to break into the country. But if you've got loads of other

00:53:46.840 things like, for example, when you go into the NHS, there are loads of people in there

00:53:51.780 every single time, when you're in the waiting room, who just don't speak English.

00:53:55.320 No. But it's fine, because we can get an interpreter, they're free. And then you can

00:53:59.820 interpret. They work for free. Yeah, they will work for free. They're just such nice people.

00:54:03.960 Yeah. But yeah, you're right. And even things like school places or walking home, you know,

00:54:11.800 do you still go out and get yourself a little Chinese on the high street if there's a load

00:54:16.520 of men hanging around? No, you probably don't. You're probably not going to do that. So it just

00:54:20.340 has such a dramatic impact. And also, dual citizenship. If you've got dual citizenship or

00:54:26.140 a passport to another country, and you do any slight infringement of our laws, bye. It's

00:54:32.180 really nice. I don't care if you're going to get killed when you get home. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

00:54:36.240 Honestly, again, it's one of those things where it's like any normal country would have that

00:54:41.660 as a basic standard. Yes. It's just why? Why would you like the grooming gang? Perpetrators

00:54:47.940 are the best examples. Like, yeah, so the victims now get to five years later, bump into them

00:54:51.880 in Asda. It's like, sorry, what? Why? Why have we left him in the country? How is he an asset

00:54:56.760 to this country? He's a danger. And why is it always Asda? I don't want to cast shade

00:55:02.920 on Asda. They haven't done anything wrong. But the point being, like, these people cost

00:55:08.040 us loads of money. They're not good for the economy. They're not good for the society.

00:55:12.380 No. And we don't need them here. And yet, they're still here. And so Rachel actually has

00:55:17.420 a bunch of really easy decisions. But those decisions wouldn't be, like, woke, liberal,

00:55:22.860 lefty decisions. No. Because she'd be like, oh, we can't, we can't. Can we even make those

00:55:26.800 decisions? Do we have the sovereignty and power to do it? Because if not, then I think we need

00:55:31.660 to come out of any human rights or any European court of human rights, all of it. Just leave

00:55:35.580 it all. Yeah. I mean, technically, yes, because the government could, I mean, they've got a

00:55:39.840 massive majority. And Keir Starmer is not afraid to use the whip. So he can come out

00:55:43.180 and say, look, we are going to do this, we're going to do that, we're going to do the other

00:55:46.220 so we can just get rid of all these people because they shouldn't be here. And they could

00:55:49.020 absolutely do it. But morally, ideologically, they're in a framework where they can't do that.

00:55:54.180 Winning over the country, my God, wouldn't it? Well, yeah. If they did that, I think

00:55:58.100 they could make cock-ups until they leave office. But if they did that one thing...

00:56:02.100 Yeah, but you've got to remember, if they did that one thing, there would be a far-right

00:56:05.640 government. Oh, that would be... Okay. And we can't have that. We can't have a far-right

00:56:10.540 government that actually makes the country better. No, no. Exactly. It would be a label

00:56:15.180 and there'd be... Imagine the response on the Westminster dinner party circuit when Rachel

00:56:20.720 Reeves goes to someone and they're like, sorry, did you kick out a few migrants? Like, yeah,

00:56:23.860 the one we had to because we're all going bankrupt. They were rapists. They were child

00:56:28.320 rapists. And we were paying for them to live here. We were literally battery farming child

00:56:33.220 rapists. I don't know why. Well, I've heard people sort of say, yeah, but you know, when

00:56:36.940 they go home, what will happen? Sorry, why do we care? Yeah, don't care. Why do we care?

00:56:41.740 Not my problem. No, I don't care. And I don't care if that person's got a cat and they've

00:56:45.900 got a family life and all this stuff about they have a right to family life. No, they don't.

00:56:50.700 And even if they do, I still don't care. Sorry, why would I worry? Like, I think the

00:56:54.640 right to not being raped by their dad is more important. Let's worry about the kids' right

00:56:58.380 to not have a rapist in the house. And the women. I mean, you know, in these

00:57:02.780 communities, we're not... I've talked about this before, but you've got the men going

00:57:07.820 out and doing that to white girls, white vulnerable girls who they obviously thought

00:57:12.540 just deserved it. And also it was about white men and how we can punish white men by punishing

00:57:17.280 the white girls. But are we honestly thinking they're nice blokes when they get home? Are

00:57:21.220 we thinking they're treating their wives and their daughters and their kids well?

00:57:23.860 Did you see the tweet by, what was her name, Bushra Shike or something the other day?

00:57:28.140 Oh, is that... No.

00:57:29.360 Right, so she's normally a complete defender of this community. And someone had tweeted at

00:57:35.760 her something like, well, isn't it just a coincidence? You know, how... Sarcastically, it's not a coincidence

00:57:40.480 that it's always the white girls, you know, and they don't groom their own. And she's

00:57:44.140 like, well, you're not ready for that conversation. And I'm like, oh, that's a bit dark, isn't

00:57:48.060 it? You know, but the point is, shouldn't be our problem. We're not the masters of the

00:57:51.880 world anymore. We gave that up in the middle of the 20th century, because everyone was

00:57:55.000 like, we want our independence. And I agree, you want your independence over there. Goodbye.

00:57:59.240 Yes.

00:58:00.040 Why are we paying for this? Why, again, why are we paying untold billions? I mean, there

00:58:04.340 are so many, so many studies that have just got like horrific swings in numbers when it

00:58:09.720 comes to immigration costs. And it's like, but most of them agree, yeah, this is costing

00:58:14.060 this billions, right?

00:58:15.100 Well, we don't have spare money if we can't fund end of life care. Like, as a country,

00:58:20.840 if we don't have the moral decency and the budget to make sure that someone dying of cancer

00:58:25.660 in a hospice, that that hospice doesn't have to raise any money, like through charitable

00:58:30.520 kind of fundraising, then we don't have any money to look after rapists. We just don't,

00:58:36.460 we just don't have it.

00:58:37.640 I mean, we, I don't think we need the conditional. We don't have any money to look after foreign

00:58:42.820 rapists.

00:58:43.320 Yeah, that'll be fine.

00:58:44.480 Yeah, that's fine. That's totally fine. Anyway, so anyway, the rest of the Labour Party is

00:58:49.320 obviously rallying to Reeves' defence, even though everyone is like, she's failing because

00:58:53.640 there's no winning in the system. We're streeting the health secretary, Mr. I-know-about-the-economy,

00:58:59.120 has come out and go, well, you know, I mean, this is, this is tough. And, but there have

00:59:03.260 been some people who have been quite good on this. Nigel has come out and made some

00:59:07.380 noise about things like this. Rupert Lowe has been giving them absolute hell, particularly

00:59:12.740 over the grooming gang, or the Pakistani rape gang issue. But encouraging people, look,

00:59:17.740 if you're unhappy and you would like a national inquiry into the mass rape of white girls by

00:59:22.080 Pakistani gangs, you know, MP disagrees, email them politely and robustly, and then leaves

00:59:27.200 a link for people to do. So you can imagine what the inboxes look like at the moment, which

00:59:31.560 can't be good. Interestingly, they did announce today that they are AI automating their own

00:59:36.720 inboxes. Oh my gosh. Well, I was just looking at that graphic on the MPs and Lords. I thought

00:59:41.540 it was quite interesting. Very representative, isn't it? Yeah. How inclusive. No wheelchairs,

00:59:45.820 so obviously disabled. Although I do believe that a woman is trans, so. Sorry, ableist, let

00:59:53.340 me just correct myself. Ableist, you're supposed to say not disabled. But yes, quite crazy.

00:59:57.200 The point being that the wheels are very clearly coming off the clown car because the pressure

01:00:01.280 is getting to them. I did a podcast last week going, look, just keep up the pressure. They

01:00:04.440 can't last forever. They can circle the wagons on this and just say no, no, no, no, no. But

01:00:08.700 it's clear that this is really getting in their heads. Yeah. Because, I mean, everyone around

01:00:14.060 them is like, wow, are you actually in defense of the child rapists? Like, yes. Yes, you

01:00:17.860 are. Yes. And Keir was whipping his party firmly into line on this. But Andy Burnham, mayor

01:00:24.460 of Manchester, was like, no, we need an inquiry. And now an MP, Dan Carden, who is the MP for

01:00:29.080 Liverpool Walton, said, no, actually, we do need this. Says, the public compassion for

01:00:34.660 the victims, thousands of young British working class girls and children is real. The public

01:00:38.840 call for justice must be heeded. It is shocking that people in positions of power, people, people,

01:00:45.500 Labour Party members, people, but okay, fine, in positions of power could have covered up

01:00:51.460 or refused to have acted to avoid confronting racial or cultural issues, or because the

01:00:55.820 victims were poor and working class. We must question and challenge the orthodoxy of progressive

01:00:59.180 liberal multiculturalism that led to the authorities, Labour authorities, failing to act. Because

01:01:05.040 again, this is all in Labour areas. This is all in Labour-controlled cities. Yes. Everywhere.

01:01:09.380 Yes. Everywhere this time, this is Labour. Apart from maybe Oxford, because conservatives are

01:01:13.100 terrible, but mostly in Labour areas. And so, good. Yeah, good. Absolutely. And now what's

01:01:18.380 Keir Starmer going to do? Is he going to employ the whip? Is he going to kick this guy out? Is

01:01:22.560 he going to admit that there is a problem that he was part of? Who knows? But the point is,

01:01:27.980 the cracks are showing. Rosie Duffield voted against it as well. Did she? Yeah. I mean,

01:01:34.160 she's a big disappointment, I think, generally speaking. I personally have issues with her.

01:01:39.980 Well, go on. What are the issues with Rosie Duffield? Oh, no. Well, Rosie Duffield contacted

01:01:42.920 me many, many years ago before I was banned from Twitter for like four and a half years. That's

01:01:46.900 how many years ago? 2018, 2017. And she was, you know, she felt isolated and she was having

01:01:53.580 issues with the unions and misogyny and like, David address. This sort of time is the height

01:02:01.580 of woke politics in Britain. Yes. And so, she reached out to me and then when she got in the

01:02:07.040 WhatsApp sourdough starter anointed group, she sort of dropped me like a stone and pretended

01:02:13.820 that she'd never had anything to do with me. Yeah. And I just said, this is, it's really

01:02:19.880 apparent throughout the whole of the left that they would rather say things like, well, you

01:02:26.760 know, it's not just Pakistani Muslim grooming. Or rapes matter. Yeah. Yeah. And, or, well,

01:02:33.420 I've been looking at this myself, but then the BNP took over and then, so we didn't do this.

01:02:39.180 And I'm just thinking, just focus on the victims and the rapes. I don't care if the BNP, I don't,

01:02:45.320 I don't care who tried to take advantage or whatever you want to say. And, and I still

01:02:49.960 don't know if I, if I buy that particular line, but I'm just stop trying to, to evoke kind

01:02:57.060 of, look, I'm not a racist. I'm not a racist. Just speak, just speak about it and stop trying

01:03:02.380 to second guess that if you say something bad about the far right, that suddenly people

01:03:06.740 will go, well, she's definitely not far and right because she said something terrible

01:03:09.540 about the BNP. Just let it go. Don't give it any power. Just speak about these girls

01:03:14.860 and speak about what's happened and speak about who is doing it to these girls, who

01:03:18.960 turned a blind eye and who maybe has made a little bit of cash on the side and backhanders

01:03:23.240 and so on. Because I think we'll find drugs, just general corruption, as well as maybe police

01:03:29.940 councillors and so on involved in the actual raping of these girls.

01:03:32.960 Well, we know they were. Several councillors and two police officers who've been sent to

01:03:37.480 jail for being part of the grooming gangs themselves. So, but I, I think you're exactly

01:03:42.380 right on this. Like, just do the right thing.

01:03:44.380 Yes.

01:03:44.720 The labels they will tie you with are actually not nearly as important as having done the

01:03:50.000 right thing. And that will, you will be redeemed by getting the correct result out of what you're

01:03:55.000 doing. And again, I feel like this is the most rudimentary thing to have to say. Like, come

01:04:00.460 on. Like, this is what I would say to my kids, right? They were worried. What will people

01:04:04.060 at school think? I'm like, well, did you do the right thing, son? Yeah. And I'd be

01:04:06.760 like, yeah, he, you know, yeah, I did. I did. It's like, well, then it doesn't matter

01:04:09.620 what they think, does it?

01:04:10.320 I mean, yeah. I just want everybody to remember before they try and shield themselves with

01:04:14.120 I'm not a racist. Little girls were picked up, groomed by sort of young Asian, young

01:04:22.100 Pakistani Muslim men who were instructed by older Pakistani Muslim men to go and make these

01:04:28.180 girls fall in love. You know, people are talking about Tate at the moment and I, and I, he's not

01:04:34.040 too far away from this for me. But I'm not his biggest fan or anything. Oh, I loathe him so much. And

01:04:40.260 I think it's the absolute, it's so embarrassing when someone with a huge platform on the right

01:04:45.040 and the conservatives start going, well, I think we should all just listen to his own words,

01:04:50.800 people. That's what I'm going to say about Tate. Just listen to the things he says that he's done

01:04:54.160 himself. So then you've got, um, these girls were then in rooms with 10 adult males who were all

01:05:02.300 raping them at the set and torturing them at the same time and putting cigarettes out on them. If

01:05:06.320 you, if you're at all worried about the accusation of far right, as opposed to getting justice for

01:05:11.300 that victim, there is something seriously wrong with you.

01:05:14.180 Yes. And then when you listen to the court transcripts of why these men did it, they will

01:05:19.400 say things like we are the master race, not the whites. And it's like, right. So you've actually

01:05:25.100 brought a community of insane racial supremacists over, given them license and cover to victimize

01:05:32.440 the most vulnerable people in our society. And then when it comes out, the people who are against

01:05:38.380 that, you call far right racist.

01:05:41.340 Yeah. You could actually say the rapists were the far right, right? With their authoritarian

01:05:44.580 rights. But then that's, that's still giving like the far right label power and credence.

01:05:49.680 Right. I don't want to do that. It's like, you know, okay, no, if, if being far right is

01:05:53.160 being against that, that's fine. I'm totally fine with it. Because what you're saying is

01:05:56.520 being far right is the moral thing to be in this circumstance and being a leftist who is

01:06:00.340 enabling this is the immoral position. That's how I feel about that. So it's like, okay,

01:06:05.640 whatever you say, but like, you know, stop them doing this.

01:06:09.200 Yes. Anyway, so things are going badly for Keir Starmer and the public can see it. And so people

01:06:16.320 getting polled. How long do you reckon that people think Keir Starmer will last for?

01:06:21.920 But who would replace him? This is the thing.

01:06:25.300 Rachel Reeves, I don't know.

01:06:28.160 West Street, maybe. I mean, he's been playing a good game.

01:06:31.380 Hang on. No, I think it is time. It is time that the Labour Party have their first female

01:06:37.980 Prime Minister. Jess Phillips.

01:06:40.700 Oh my God. Oh my God.

01:06:43.480 Can you imagine?

01:06:44.480 I mean, I just think they're all so bad. Well,

01:06:47.460 They're terrible.

01:06:48.640 I mean, Jess Phillips better than Angela Rayner, because Angela Rayner thinks trans women are

01:06:53.480 women.

01:06:54.120 Hang on, hang on.

01:06:54.580 Doesn't she?

01:06:55.000 Hang on. Obviously. But then Jess Phillips probably does too. Angela Rayner, I don't think she's

01:07:01.620 that evil, right? I think Jess Phillips is more evil than Angela Rayner.

01:07:05.320 Well, Jess Phillips is more of a facade, isn't she? She's created this character about who

01:07:12.380 she really is, whereas Angela Rayner, I think, is genuinely probably doing her best.

01:07:17.700 Yeah, I think so.

01:07:18.180 And I think she comes, I think it's a shame she's gone down the woke route, because I think

01:07:21.980 her, where she came from, I think she was, it might have been a teenage mum, and I think

01:07:27.040 she probably did see the brunt of bad policies. Like, she lived that. Jess Phillips, I think,

01:07:32.960 was brought up in a middle class household bab, me bab. And I think she's, she's a, she's

01:07:40.160 a character. I don't think she is who she claims to be at all. So, you know, maybe Angela

01:07:46.180 Rayner, but, you know, Keir Starmer, he's just, he's such a boring, he's so, he's too

01:07:53.420 boring to be so evil.

01:07:55.020 Well, no, he really does embody the banality of evil, doesn't he?

01:07:57.580 Yeah, he does.

01:07:58.580 He's literally the most banal man who, like, if you were going to craft a more, you couldn't

01:08:03.840 craft a more boring character in a book.

01:08:06.140 Yeah.

01:08:06.720 It would be like, okay, but he, like, when Keir Starmer was like, I don't have a favourite

01:08:10.380 movie or novel. It's like, everyone's got a favourite movie or novel. So you couldn't

01:08:15.560 write a character that doesn't enjoy literature or movies or arts in any way, shape or form,

01:08:20.240 because it wouldn't be believable. And yet that guy is in charge of the country.

01:08:23.120 He's more boring than Major, isn't he? He's more boring than John Major.

01:08:27.120 Way more boring. Like, John Major had a kind of charm about him. If you look back, like,

01:08:32.160 he's very dull, don't get me wrong, but there's a kind of, like, normalcy in John Major, right?

01:08:39.120 You know, where it's like, what's Englishness? Oh, he's playing cricket on the green. I can't

01:08:42.320 do his accent or anything, but, like, he's playing cricket on the green. It's like, yeah,

01:08:45.240 okay, that's very boring, and he's very easy to mock on spitting image, but, like, he's

01:08:49.760 not evil.

01:08:50.180 I wonder what he would be on spitting image. I wonder what they would accentuate about

01:08:55.100 him. Maybe just like, yeah, there's nothing, is there? Maybe that's the point of him.

01:09:02.740 Maybe, maybe. But, again, just evil bureaucrat. But the point is, the question, sorry, is how

01:09:08.540 long do you think Kiyosama is going to last in the public's estimation?

01:09:12.960 Well, I think people hate him already. I don't know. I think he'll stay with it.

01:09:19.080 Really? Yeah, because I think he's, I mean, he's obviously

01:09:24.000 Mr. Davos, isn't he? Yeah. And he's definitely WDF. WD40. He's definitely, although far less.

01:09:32.520 WD40 is useful.

01:09:33.320 Yeah, that's sort of just, yeah, he's WD40.

01:09:35.980 No need to say WD40.

01:09:37.800 He's definitely WD40. He's definitely WDF, and, yeah, very frightening, I think, actually,

01:09:43.240 because maybe he's not going to do anything. He's going to do lots of things that are sort

01:09:49.000 sort of apathetic and not action. So he's not going to go out and do something. He's

01:09:55.540 going to take something away.

01:09:56.520 He's going to get a committee together.

01:09:57.900 Yeah, I think so. So I think he'll last.

01:10:01.640 You think? Right, okay. Well, the 68% of the people surveyed in this particular survey

01:10:06.540 think that he'll be out within a year.

01:10:10.360 Well, maybe.

01:10:11.000 Which is possible. I mean, like, it's very, I've never, I can't think of a government that's

01:10:17.100 lost all of the goodwill that they enter into. So remember, you know, six months ago, he

01:10:21.940 was on, like, 54% in the polls.

01:10:24.760 Yeah.

01:10:25.280 You know.

01:10:25.880 Making Rishi look amazing, isn't he?

01:10:27.740 Oh, yeah. You know, he's making Rishi look really likeable.

01:10:32.100 And also, I'll tell you what was a real shocker for me, was Ed Miliband doing this, like,

01:10:38.080 happy post about, we've, you know, it's the last coal furnace to close. And it was like

01:10:43.440 this celebration of, and I'm like, you are the Labour, do you know you're the Labour Party?

01:10:48.400 You know, the opposition to closing the coal mines, where, you know, I think in 500 years

01:10:55.020 time, we'll look back and go, I can't believe we ever sent anyone down into coal mines to

01:10:59.120 get, like, lung disease and what a terrible thing to do. But actually, when Thatcher was

01:11:05.320 doing it, it was, it wasn't she evil for closing down that industry. And then, you know, within

01:11:11.100 my lifetime, you've got a Labour MP going, oh, isn't this great? We just shut down this

01:11:16.000 furnace. And I'm like, for what? For, for, for fuel that doesn't make any sense. I don't

01:11:22.820 see any sun.

01:11:23.180 For the highest energy prices in the developed world. That's what we pay.

01:11:25.960 Mine are, I've, I've lived in my house since 2015. I've paid to my gas and electricity

01:11:32.180 company. 37,000. 37,000 pounds. I, you know, I should ask my, my wife deals with the bills

01:11:40.780 in our house, but she is constantly going on about how they're so expensive. That is

01:11:43.920 unbelievable.

01:11:44.820 Well, I phoned them because they billed me. They found, like, 7,000 pounds in 24 hours.

01:11:49.540 And I was like, there's something up.

01:11:50.860 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:51.240 So we looked through it. And I said, aside from the fairground that we've got in the

01:11:55.040 garden, I just can't. And the, the small estate of, like, 25 houses. I just can't think

01:12:00.700 what it is, but yeah, it's just.

01:12:02.500 The Tesla cars that you charge every day. Yeah. Apart from that.

01:12:05.660 Apart from that. But just, I can't imagine what it's like. I mean, my house isn't that

01:12:11.120 big either, but I can't imagine what it's like to be absolutely up to the, the wire with

01:12:18.700 heating bills. But it's, it's terrible.

01:12:21.180 But I mean, neither can Ed Miliband, which is why he's interested in shutting down the last

01:12:24.740 coal plant and making sure that it's wind powered, which is way more expensive than

01:12:28.940 every other form of electricity. Like, it's, again, genuine clown country. And like, who

01:12:35.440 is it? I was watching. Oh yeah, Liz Truss. I was watching an interview with Liz Truss on

01:12:38.540 some podcast the other day. And she's like, why aren't homeowners out in the streets going,

01:12:42.960 why are my bills so goddamn high? You know, why is it farmers that are, you know, okay,

01:12:47.420 don't get me wrong. I totally support the farmers and that's important. But like the average

01:12:50.360 person who's just got bills to pay, it's surely like, okay, can this go on forever?

01:12:53.940 Because this is ridiculous.

01:12:56.560 I wonder how they are paying them as well. You know, people that already kind of, when

01:13:01.140 people say, oh, I'm heating or eating and, you know, I've never really understood, I've

01:13:06.060 never been in that position. But just our government saying things like, oh, we'll have solar panel

01:13:12.340 and you're like, I've looked at the sky. I don't think we can do it.

01:13:16.920 There's, there is a, you can find maps of sunlight hours per year, right? We are the lowest in

01:13:24.140 the world, right? England and Scotland literally get less sunlight than Russia and Alaska.

01:13:30.020 It's all those misty days, those weird misty days.

01:13:31.700 You know, it really is, right? It's because we don't get really hot or really cold. But

01:13:36.400 the point is, anywhere on Earth else would be better for solar panels, right? And obviously

01:13:40.940 it should just be nuclear, right? There's literally no...

01:13:43.820 Like little nuclear plants. Little local ones, yeah.

01:13:46.920 Rolls-Royce literally have a line of modular nuclear plants. I calculated it using the

01:13:50.780 government's own stats the other day. All you need is six nuclear plants to power every home

01:13:56.060 in the UK, right? And so, okay, well, let's assume I'm suddenly in charge of the Labour Party.

01:14:00.920 I'd be like, okay, well, we will have government-owned nuclear plants and we will provide that

01:14:05.440 electricity to your house for free, right? So no one has to pay an energy bill. Now that will cost

01:14:10.200 about 130 billion pounds, right? Yes. So about 10 minutes of NHS spending, right?

01:14:14.680 It'll be like Libya. But it would be like Libya and it'd be like, okay, so suddenly you don't

01:14:18.660 have electricity bills. Well, that'd be a lovely thing, like 37 grand off your plate.

01:14:22.520 Well, what would we spend it on? We'd all go and spend it.

01:14:24.620 Yeah, exactly. I'd buy things. I'd go and spend it on other stuff.

01:14:26.240 You know, I'd buy electric heaters, electric cooker.

01:14:29.120 Yeah. And that, okay, if that's working, we'll extend that to the businesses then.

01:14:34.420 Yes. You know? Okay, well then, great. Now they don't have energy bills to pay either.

01:14:38.220 Can you imagine? We'd be like Norway, like somewhere like Norway, wouldn't we?

01:14:40.920 We would. And it's all completely technologically possible. It's all right there. And yet Ed

01:14:46.880 Miliband's like with his stupid Wallace and Gromit face being like, hey guys, I built a bloody

01:14:51.780 wind plant. It's like...

01:14:52.960 And it's all a lie, right? Because basically all they're doing is they're funneling money

01:14:56.720 into their own interests.

01:14:58.320 Yeah, probably.

01:14:58.640 Because it's, I don't think, it's a bit like the Al Gore documentary that was like, oh,

01:15:02.740 why don't we switch this? What do you own, Al? What is it that you've got investments in?

01:15:07.080 Oh, I see.

01:15:08.140 Oh, God. I tell you what, man, it's just making me, like, what I love is when they start talking

01:15:12.840 about climate change and global warming in the winter. I'm like, no, I'm totally for it

01:15:15.880 at this point. No, I'm not. Don't put that on YouTube. YouTube literally has a regular,

01:15:21.620 you can't.

01:15:23.020 Someone was saying, oh, it was an Australian and it was such a great little video. And

01:15:28.260 he's like, oh, so now they're saying that there's some, it's hotter than it's ever been.

01:15:33.140 It's not, it's Australian summer. It's like this every year.

01:15:37.100 You've seen the maps, right? Where it's like a map from 10 years ago, where it's like 33

01:15:40.560 degrees around and it's just in green because I see, you know, and now it's like 29 degrees,

01:15:44.780 but it's blood red like hell itself has opened up. It's like, look, I'm old enough to remember

01:15:50.200 that this is not warm.

01:15:51.740 Climate change, global warming. I mean, we've had many incarnations of new technologies and

01:15:59.020 I won't go through any of the conspiracy stuff that I might talk to you about off air, but

01:16:02.980 it's very, it's just proper, it's proper dodgy. And you can never believe somebody who stands

01:16:09.480 to make a fortune out of the things that they're telling you. You just can't.

01:16:12.840 No, but not only that, it's not just the money either. It's the one-sided nature of a narrative.

01:16:20.660 Whether, whenever anyone gives me a one-sided narrative, I'm just like, okay, but there are

01:16:25.120 downsides to everything. And if you can't admit that there are some downsides, and I'm not saying

01:16:30.500 it's going to be an entirely mitigating factor, you know, you might be right about a certain

01:16:33.680 thing, but why did Barack Obama buy beachfront property? Like, if he believes in all of this,

01:16:39.680 like, you know, sorry, I don't, I think you're just lying to me. But anyway, so the point on

01:16:45.780 this, again, this won't be on YouTube because we can't say any of those things, but the point

01:16:50.720 being, two-thirds of people think that Keir Starmer's going to be out within a year.

01:16:55.300 So we did our 2025 bingo card on Lads Hour the other day, and one of mine was Keir Starmer

01:17:01.400 out, Nigel Farage in. Now that's, I'm not saying that it's going to happen, but it's got to go

01:17:06.700 on the bingo card, so when it does happen, I can cross it off, right?

01:17:09.180 Okay.

01:17:09.880 So, like I said, it's not a prediction, it's just a possibility that, you know, there is a

01:17:14.720 possible future in which Keir Starmer's government does essentially collapse because...

01:17:19.860 Well, they are cancelling elections, aren't they?

01:17:22.460 They are.

01:17:22.860 Which is very dangerous.

01:17:24.360 They are, but I think there's something more to the common narrative to that that's been

01:17:28.200 going around. I haven't looked into it, though. Although I don't think it's entirely cynical

01:17:31.860 on stuff.

01:17:32.140 No, they're merging councils and stuff, which is going to be crap for everybody.

01:17:35.560 Yes, that's going to be...

01:17:36.240 Because we're just going to get dire... There's fewer people...

01:17:38.980 If you thought your council was bad now...

01:17:40.540 Oh, God. Ours is so bad. Ours is so bad.

01:17:43.840 Ours isn't too bad, but it's not great.

01:17:47.040 We spent about $4 million on widening a pavement that nobody walks on.

01:17:52.660 Yeah.

01:17:53.240 There's lots of that. Wastage.

01:17:55.240 Yeah, a huge amount. So, in Arwen, there's a bike track that I used to ride on to get

01:17:59.920 to work every day. And they needed to do something to it, to put a pipe underneath it. But for

01:18:08.240 some reason, they couldn't actually just re-tarmack the whole thing or just put tarmac on it.

01:18:12.180 Because of a regulation. Because 10 years ago, someone had been, like, siphoning money

01:18:16.460 out or something like that. And so, now it could only be on new bike tracks that this

01:18:20.440 money could be used. So, they couldn't just redo the old one. It's like, okay, but that's

01:18:23.880 your own stupid regulation.

01:18:25.560 Yes.

01:18:25.860 Just flout it.

01:18:26.960 Yes.

01:18:27.140 Just take it away.

01:18:28.160 Yes.

01:18:28.620 But they were like, no. So, basically, we have to widen the path or something. It's just

01:18:32.640 like, oh, God, the local councils are terrible. So, imagine a local council that's even less

01:18:37.360 accountable to you. And that's the future of the United Kingdom.

01:18:41.580 Ah, that's great.

01:18:42.700 Yeah, it's brilliant. Which is, it's just amazing. Which is why Nigel Farage is neck and

01:18:49.040 neck with the Labour Party and is trouncing the Conservatives. Because, I mean, you know,

01:18:56.500 lots of people have got their problems with Farage, and of course, I do too. But he's at

01:19:01.060 least not the rest of them.

01:19:02.040 But if Conservatives get it together, then, pardon?

01:19:07.600 God forbid.

01:19:08.420 Well, if they do, then they'll, that's the reform vote, isn't it? I mean, I know they're

01:19:12.760 taking from Labour as well, because I think a lot of working class, like, proper, if you

01:19:16.940 are a working class person voting for Labour because they're for the working, you can't

01:19:21.380 vote for Labour anymore. That's not why you're voting for Labour.

01:19:23.380 They're a bourgeois party.

01:19:24.560 Yes.

01:19:24.740 They're not a working class party.

01:19:25.460 But I do think if the Conservatives get it together, and Kemi Badenow, I quite like her,

01:19:30.160 but I feel she's a bit WEF. But if she can, if she can, or WTF, I'm one of the two, if

01:19:37.960 she can get it together, then I think, you know, the Conservatives could come back in

01:19:44.000 fashion. But it will take a couple of years.

01:19:46.720 There's a bit of a... I don't mind Kemi Badenow. She seems fine, right? On a personal

01:19:51.620 level, she seems fine. And, like, policy-wise, she seems all right. But there's something really

01:19:57.120 jarring about a woman being put in charge of the Conservative Party, getting up a parliament

01:20:02.660 going, we need less immigration. It's like, you are an immigrant.

01:20:07.520 Yeah, I wonder about it as well. Like, in America, you can't become president if you're

01:20:12.220 not born in America. There's a little bit of me that thinks, you know, and I really like

01:20:19.820 her, and I wish she had been born here so she could still lead the Conservative Party.

01:20:24.040 But there's a little bit of me that's like... I think she actually was born here, but

01:20:27.420 then she... Oh, well, then that's fine. Then I make no comment.

01:20:30.240 The point is, she grew up in Nigeria, she thinks of herself as a Nigerian, and now she

01:20:34.000 immigrated to Britain after, you know, when she was, like, 20 or whatever. And now she's

01:20:37.800 in charge of the Conservative Party, giving up, we need fewer immigrants. It's like...

01:20:40.380 Yeah, but I wonder, is an educated Nigerian woman more conservative than many

01:20:44.560 conservatives? And if she is, then wait.

01:20:46.040 Oh, yeah. Well, I'm not saying she's not, but, like, why do we have to outsource our

01:20:51.760 nativism to foreigners? I don't... Well, we do, though, don't we? Because they're the

01:20:56.500 only people who may be allowed to talk about it without being accused of being far-right.

01:21:00.300 But that's the point, isn't it? Yes. You know, the reason we don't have half-decent

01:21:03.820 native nativists is because we're all like, oh, well, don't call me a name. No.

01:21:09.080 And so there's something a bit inauthentic about it, right? There's something that... And

01:21:12.580 Keir Starmer actually has been thrashing Kemi Bade knock on the immigration issue because

01:21:16.440 it is her party that let in millions more immigrants than Labour ever actually let in.

01:21:21.440 And they put one in charge of the bloody party. It's like...

01:21:23.800 Do you think it's Cameron? Do you think his legacy... Like, Cameron and Blair were very

01:21:27.420 close, weren't they? Definitely.

01:21:28.860 And I just... It's very interesting. Like, I'm definitely on the side of... I would call

01:21:36.380 myself a nationalist now, as opposed to a globalist.

01:21:39.600 If that's the dichotomy, we're all nationalists now.

01:21:42.060 Yeah. Because otherwise, you have no access to democracy. And I don't think... People are

01:21:47.160 like, oh, democratic. And I was like, look, I would have voted to... I would have voted

01:21:50.460 to remain. I would have. I did, rather. And then within about three months, when I saw

01:21:55.280 democracy was being tested, I was like, oh, no, well, I'll vote to leave then.

01:22:00.040 Yeah.

01:22:00.580 Like, no, I believe in democracy above everything.

01:22:03.520 I've always been a kind of autistic person when it comes to Brexit. It's like, it doesn't...

01:22:08.900 I don't... I would rather live in a cave and not have the rules made by some bureaucrat

01:22:12.820 in Brussels. I'd rather live in a cave, at least walk over to the other cave and go to

01:22:16.640 my local cave councillor and say, why aren't you fixing the bike track? You know, rather

01:22:21.420 than have to then email the EU or something. You know, I'm... And it's always been...

01:22:26.000 I watched... Weirdly, I watched a podcast with Paul Mason, who was actually, you know, the

01:22:29.680 communist. And he was like, look, you've got... He was talking about Brexit. He's like,

01:22:32.940 you've got to understand English radicalism. It's always been about sovereignty.

01:22:35.700 It's like, well, we have been a sovereign island for a thousand years. Why wouldn't

01:22:39.140 it be? You know?

01:22:40.400 Yeah.

01:22:41.420 Yeah.

01:22:42.040 Why wouldn't we have that in our heads? You know? I mean, like, most other countries...

01:22:46.040 You can find, like, maps of Europe that are animated over a thousand years. And the borders

01:22:51.760 of England just don't change.

01:22:53.200 No.

01:22:53.400 They just don't change. We've been the same for a long time. Whereas all over the continent,

01:22:57.160 you see the borders flipping around. It's like, yeah...

01:22:59.260 That's the beauty of being an island, right?

01:23:00.820 It is, yeah. It is exactly the beauty of being an island. And you can see why we would think

01:23:05.420 differently about our country than they think about theirs.

01:23:08.180 Yes.

01:23:08.420 Their countries change. Our country doesn't change.

01:23:10.380 Yeah. We don't bleed our language either. So, you know, it's not like we've, for the

01:23:14.940 last however many years, it's not like our... You know, if you're on the border of many

01:23:19.560 countries, there's, like, hybrid languages. Oh, yeah.

01:23:21.840 People speak multiple languages. We're, like, very single language.

01:23:26.500 Well, the English language as well, like, it's been fairly stable, to be honest.

01:23:30.900 Yes.

01:23:31.100 Like, you can read Shakespeare. Like, that's 500 years that there's been a direct linguistic

01:23:37.480 consistency and continuance there. Like, it's... Like you say, there's... Anyway, the point

01:23:44.740 being, I'm, yeah, I'm quite a nativist at this point. I'm just tired of everything. Because

01:23:50.400 I just feel taken advantage of. We are being totally taken advantage of. Anyway, let's go to

01:23:55.180 some comments. Sorry to leave these to the end, guys. Normally, we do the comments as

01:23:58.600 we're going through, but there's too much going on. No, it's all right. Acrell says, back in

01:24:03.460 the first segment, work behavior at work, home behavior at home, closet behavior in the closet,

01:24:07.700 jail behavior in jail. You know, I agree with that.

01:24:10.120 Yes, me too.

01:24:10.940 What would you even disagree with there? Well, I mean, I suppose you'd be a Labour Party

01:24:14.500 member. And you would say jail behavior in the party. OPH UK says, demand an international

01:24:21.600 US-led investigation. Now, the thing... I really appreciate Elon Musk drawing attention

01:24:26.640 to this, obviously, and just raining down fire on the Labour Party. You know, that's

01:24:31.160 been amazing. But if we... Again, outsourcing the ability to solve the problems is entirely

01:24:39.020 the problem that the British right has. Is that we're prepared to go, oh, yeah, but this

01:24:42.960 person from overseas can do it because I don't want to be called far right. It's like, no,

01:24:47.240 we're going to have to step through the fire of being called far right and go, okay, fine,

01:24:50.900 we're the far right now.

01:24:51.940 Yeah.

01:24:52.800 It's now or never, right?

01:24:54.260 Yeah.

01:24:54.520 And I kind of think, okay, this has been bubbling on for, what, 60, 70 years, some people argue.

01:25:00.780 And we've known about it. I've known about it for 20 years. Most people know about it.

01:25:07.080 And he's raised the issue. I don't care whether he lost a bet or whether he thinks it's the

01:25:10.520 most pressing issue on the earth. I don't really care. I just want us to now say, right,

01:25:15.280 it ends now. Yes.

01:25:17.440 We just stop it now.

01:25:18.340 And it's still going on.

01:25:19.760 Yes.

01:25:20.180 And this is, and the Conservative Party knows it. In 2023, it was actually Suella Braveman

01:25:24.820 under Rishi Sunak who put in a series of, like, a task force to essentially go to the police

01:25:30.780 forces and be like, you actually have to arrest the paedophiles. You actually have to. And

01:25:35.780 the police were like, yeah, but they are brown. It's like, that doesn't matter, actually.

01:25:40.200 You might get two weeks of suspended sentence or something. I mean, something terrible.

01:25:43.500 Exactly. Yeah. We need to make sure they get those suspended sentences. So, yeah. So I

01:25:50.320 appreciate Musk's intervention here. And I'm glad that he did. And it's been a wonderful

01:25:55.480 way to start the year. In fact, just, again, raining fire down on Labour. But it has to

01:26:00.080 be something internal. It's our fault. And it's our thing to fix. Dragon Lady says, the Labour

01:26:06.800 government seems awfully Nazi. I mean, Nancy. Slip of the tongue. It's like, well, it's kind

01:26:11.660 of a bit of both, to be honest. OPH UK again says, when reform get into power, they should

01:26:17.120 ask Trump if they can borrow Tom Homan once he's sorted a thing out in the US. Do you know

01:26:20.820 who he is? No. So he's the border side. Oh, yes. I see. He's so great. I know. It's

01:26:25.900 great. How are you going to prevent family separation or deport the whole family? That'll

01:26:32.080 do, I suppose. But yeah, he's uncompromising, which is nice. And if only we could have some energy

01:26:37.720 like that here. Well, he feels very American, right? When

01:26:41.140 he speaks, he feels like a gun-toting, kind of true American man. Which is like, I went

01:26:47.600 to Oklahoma. It looks like he's made of clay. He's so good. Yes. I love him. Yeah, yeah,

01:26:53.840 I do as well. Bally Saka says, we need to reframe the mass immigration of third world men

01:26:58.300 into the UK as a women's rights issue. This has been a successful tactic in Europe, particularly

01:27:02.320 among the younger generation. Well, it's completely true that it's a women's rights issue.

01:27:05.940 Yeah, which is why most large so-called feminist platforms, organizations, women, single kind

01:27:17.080 of women who are paid well to be feminists say nothing about it at all. And if they do

01:27:24.880 even slightly mention it, as we discussed earlier, they will say, oh, but the BMP or this person

01:27:30.980 or that person, I'm no fan of this. They use caveats because the raping of women and girls

01:27:36.920 is not enough. It's actually secondary to their own perception of their own reputation.

01:27:42.260 Yeah. I mean, I've been beaten over the head repeatedly. I made comments on one of the riots

01:27:49.140 and I was like, you know, if people listen to, they don't get frustrated enough to want

01:27:55.280 to cause criminality. And there's bad people always. I mean, obviously not in BLM. That

01:27:59.580 was totally, they were just peaceful. Nothing ever happened. They were wonderful. But yeah,

01:28:05.000 so we've just got to focus on those victims.

01:28:09.080 Yeah, no, I totally agree. I totally agree. And the first thing that Keir Starmer did with

01:28:12.260 the Southport riots, instantly politicized, far right, right. It's like, okay, now it's

01:28:16.420 a political position. And what you've done is you've rendered it out of bounds as well.

01:28:21.260 Which is recruitment, right? Like, let's say there is a far right. I don't actually,

01:28:26.300 I think if there is a far right, it's very small. But if there is, and I wanted to recruit,

01:28:33.440 if I decided I was the matriarch of the far right, then I would tell everyone, they won't

01:28:39.300 listen to you. They won't listen to you. They're calling you names anyway. You might

01:28:42.260 as well come and join me.

01:28:43.620 Yeah. I think you'd probably get some recruits.

01:28:48.300 I'm not the matriarch of the far right. Let me just say, I'm not.

01:28:53.080 They will absolutely say you are. But that's the point though. We've just got to ignore

01:28:57.600 the labels. The labels are irrelevant. Again, we're for the right thing. And that's just as

01:29:01.880 far as it goes.

01:29:02.580 Yes.

01:29:04.100 Scott says, this episode is a morning chat show vibe, but really based. Kelly is the best,

01:29:09.040 always be your unapologetic self.

01:29:10.840 Thanks so much.

01:29:12.420 That's, that's good. I'm kind of annoyed that I prepared so much because I would have

01:29:15.660 just enjoyed just...

01:29:17.000 Oh, I'm so sorry.

01:29:18.240 No, no, it's my fault. It's my fault. Not just string says, if Starmer is kicked out,

01:29:22.080 then it's probably because the government is going bankrupt, which presumably is a general

01:29:26.300 election territory. Zero seats meets zero pounds. Well, it would have to be essentially

01:29:30.960 the Labour Party itself would have to remove Starmer in the same way that conservatives

01:29:35.740 we trust. And it's unlikely that they will, but it could be that things, I mean, things

01:29:42.640 are really bad after six months.

01:29:45.060 Yeah, but if they, if they know what they want to do, and if they, if they understand

01:29:48.440 that his vision is their vision, and therefore he can do all the bad stuff, take all the flack,

01:29:55.320 wear it, and then they can get rid of him when all the crap is done. And then they can,

01:29:59.920 somebody else comes in, I'm sure there will be some nasty little coup somewhere, and someone

01:30:05.260 else can come in and go, now I'm going to do the great thing. I think that's likely.

01:30:10.000 So maybe prepare for quite a lot more crap.

01:30:13.580 It is, yeah, no, it's entirely possible. I worry, or I don't worry, I hope, that there's

01:30:21.580 only so much reputational damage a party can take, though. And if Starmer drives them down

01:30:27.820 to, like, 15% in the polls or something, it's like, are you even a major party at that point?

01:30:32.740 But they've got four, at least four more years.

01:30:35.400 Well, that, yeah, legally, but morally, I mean, like, the conservatives didn't have to

01:30:42.540 remove those trusts, but they did, because they were worried about the effect downstream.

01:30:47.440 Because, I mean, okay, yeah, we could sit for four years with this insanely unpopular

01:30:52.660 Labour government that everyone wants to go, but, like, that's going to ruin the reputation

01:30:57.800 and future of the Labour Party itself. And so if Keir Starmer cares about that, which

01:31:02.560 there's no evidence to suggest he does, if he cares about that, then he would do the

01:31:06.960 honourable thing and resign, right? But, again, we don't know. I mean, we don't know how bad

01:31:11.300 the crises are going to get.

01:31:12.780 And we don't know how they're going to do it. Like, if they do well in local council

01:31:15.800 elections, if they get absolutely mullered, which I'm hoping they will, then that's a different

01:31:23.280 message, isn't it? But even if they retain, like, half their seats or whatever,

01:31:27.780 or half the councils, then I think they might take that as a message of support.

01:31:32.780 So maybe he won't go quite so early.

01:31:35.720 Yeah, no. Entirely possible. I mean, like I said, there's nothing that's going to physically

01:31:38.940 force him. But the circumstances could get so dire that even his own advisers are like,

01:31:43.540 look, Matt, you know, I intended to be here for 20 years, not three. You know, so just

01:31:48.220 F on.

01:31:48.780 I wonder how they will go, like, at the next elections. Because Conservatives might not

01:31:53.980 still feel very... I wonder if reform is really going to wipe...

01:31:59.000 Well, I mean, if...

01:32:00.980 Wipe everyone out.

01:32:01.960 Like, there... I don't know if the map's on this one. But there... I don't know. There are

01:32:06.720 people who have been posting, like, what this would look like on a map. And, I mean, this

01:32:11.280 is literally a quarter of the country going reform. So, who knows?

01:32:15.600 Gosh, who knows?

01:32:16.500 They're already the second party in the North. So...

01:32:20.280 Well, I did say Trump would get elected and save the world. I'm... I'm getting to be proven

01:32:25.260 wrong.

01:32:26.020 Well, and I know loads of people have got problems with Farage, but I don't mind him. He's fine.

01:32:29.680 He's the best we've got. You know, it's fine.

01:32:32.420 He's come from nothing. Like, I'm not his... I'm not necessarily his biggest fan. I'm a bit

01:32:38.520 50-50. But he decided, by hook or by crook, we were going to come out of the European Union.

01:32:44.660 He started that and he did that YouTube channel. And, you know, I'm sure that you might have

01:32:48.940 been doing stuff back then as well, like real early adopters. And he's... He made us

01:32:54.240 come out. And I don't know whether he's a sincere man. I think he probably is. I think

01:32:59.520 he's been routinely attacked. And I think he sounds more like, when he speaks, that he's

01:33:05.120 saying something he believes over most anybody else.

01:33:08.940 Yeah. And I mean, the thing is, people who don't do the sort of thing we do have got to

01:33:14.900 remember that the incentives are all against you.

01:33:18.400 Yeah.

01:33:18.740 You're going to get deplatformed. You're going to get demonetized. You are going to get

01:33:21.940 possibly prosecuted. You are going to find that everywhere you go, there is a cabal of

01:33:28.340 communist agitators who will physically attack you. The media will smear your good name.

01:33:33.560 So that anytime anyone looks you up, there is horrific series of articles calling you

01:33:39.320 whatever. You know, all of the incentives are against it. If you are going to grift

01:33:45.220 something, this is the wrong thing to grift.

01:33:48.160 100%.

01:33:48.560 100%.

01:33:49.460 Go and grift anything else. Your life will be a lot easier. To do this on a long-term

01:33:54.260 basis, you have to truly believe.

01:33:55.920 Yeah. You'd be better doing Avon.

01:33:57.660 Yeah. You'd be more money.

01:33:58.640 You'd be easier.

01:33:59.740 Anything. Anything else would probably be more profitable and easier to do.

01:34:04.440 So, like, I mean, it might be different in America or something like that where they've

01:34:07.740 got a much bigger ecosphere. But in Britain, this is not something you grift into because

01:34:12.120 it's way too much work.

01:34:13.420 No. Yeah.

01:34:14.000 Yeah. So, yeah. I suspect Farage is sincere. And I don't really think there's any reason

01:34:19.520 to doubt that. The question, you know, like, he's guilty. Oh, I'm not far right. It's like,

01:34:24.480 Nigel, you are the far right, mate. All right. You know, from their perspective, you are the

01:34:28.880 far right. It's fine. Just step through it.

01:34:31.040 Yeah.

01:34:31.280 Just step through it.

01:34:31.980 I mean, I was on with Piers Morgan. He was like, are you proud to be transphobic? I was

01:34:35.140 like, well, yeah. All right. Then if I meet my women's rights, yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'll be

01:34:39.380 transphobic.

01:34:40.000 And then they don't know what to say. And then he's like, well, you know, well, transphobia

01:34:45.680 means, I was like, well, you just got called transphobic. So what does it mean? But I think,

01:34:50.940 yeah, when, with Farage and like some of the other stuff that he's been asked about and

01:34:57.100 he keeps denying, I just think, just say that's a ridiculous question or, okay, whatever you

01:35:03.320 want to call me, that's fine. But I want to talk about this. Just move past it.

01:35:06.760 I hate to say it, but we are out of time.

01:35:08.180 Okay. Sorry.

01:35:08.660 No, no. It's my fault. Not yours. Not yours. But right. Kelly, where can people find more?

01:35:14.020 Well, you can go to letwomenspeak.org and you can come to one of our events and buy some merch.

01:35:20.740 I'm a man. Am I allowed to go to these events?

01:35:23.080 Yes.

01:35:23.540 Oh, okay. Just checking.

01:35:24.440 Well, look, we say if you have a vagina, you might speak first, but men are more than welcome.

01:35:30.100 More than, this is our, it's all of our problem, right? Everything that I talk about, whether it's

01:35:35.340 men like giant Dave's in your changing rooms or whether it's the grooming gang stuff, whatever

01:35:40.380 it is. It's all of our issue. It's just often in movements, women sort of just get pushed

01:35:47.600 aside a little bit. So I just, I'm a bit unapologetic in centering them, but I quite

01:35:52.560 like men. It's weird.

01:35:54.380 Because a lot of the men I know are dads and are really concerned about this.

01:35:58.280 Yeah, of course.

01:35:59.360 So, you know, but right. Okay. Well, go to letwomenspeak.org, was it?

01:36:03.700 .org and at Posie Parker on Twitter are my most frequent places.

01:36:09.920 Great. Well, thank you so much for joining us and we'll see you tomorrow, folks.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - January 13, 2025

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