The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1088

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the podcast the low seaters for what day is it the 28th of january 2025

00:00:05.780 i am joined by dan hello and the stelios hello i like it you you mentioned you mentioned me by

00:00:15.200 name on the description there so some comments biggie bigfoot and north fc zoomer have taken

00:00:20.280 issue with your description too descriptive some might say you're feeling very forgiving today i

00:00:26.760 can see by the tie yes it's the tie you know with all with the olive branches it's the olive of peace

00:00:32.660 i want to get a noble prize we don't want any olives of peace though do we we want to crush

00:00:38.700 our enemies i think it's 10 10 million pounds that comes with with it that could do a lot of

00:00:44.300 peace i want that 10 million pounds still think we should crush our enemies thank you conan the

00:00:50.460 barbarian yes but uh today we're talking about how china just got a huge advantage with their new

00:00:56.480 ai uh the latest german stabbing and then dan is going to tell us all how left-wing you are yes

00:01:03.960 so let's get started i suppose you might have heard about this new ai that's come out of

00:01:10.760 china called deep seek and it launched last week at least version free of it the one that is set to

00:01:17.900 compete with chat gpt and uh it's already overtaken uh its rivals like open ai's chat gpt um as the most

00:01:26.460 downloaded free app in the united states which is you know quite an achievement for it already

00:01:31.960 and um this also comes at a time when the us is restricting the sale of advanced chip technology

00:01:38.860 to china and then the threat of which seems to have forced the chinese developers to both cooperate

00:01:45.420 with one another um to share their work from what i understand as well as they've had to innovate to

00:01:51.660 a certain degree um to work with potentially less advanced technology however that is potentially

00:01:57.800 disputed by some people so that's worth noting as a bit of a caveat um they have um developed ai models

00:02:04.780 that require far less computing power though which is significant and it also means that it will cost a lot

00:02:11.660 less than previously thought possible which is good for actually everyone although the chinese

00:02:17.340 have developed it um it is i believe open source yeah i mean it's not good for sam altman

00:02:22.700 they're very bad for sam altman which means it's good for everyone else really um in my opinion

00:02:28.140 so deep seek as we've got up here um is powered by the open source deep seek v3 model whatever that means

00:02:36.140 um and uh this researchers claim it was developed for around six million us dollars which of course is

00:02:43.340 disputed and is worth mentioning as a point of reference um open ai joined a group of other firms

00:02:49.660 that pledged 500 million uh us dollars or 400 million great british pounds um into building ai

00:02:56.780 infrastructure in the us obviously just that one funding round um versus the entire development cost of

00:03:03.420 the chinese alternative there's a massive gulf there isn't there and um people disputing it um

00:03:11.260 here um have been pointing out that deep seek obviously has around 50 000 nvidia h100 chips that

00:03:18.700 they can't talk about due to the us export controls and elon musk who of course owns his own ai in grok

00:03:25.980 which is integrated into x formerly known as twitter uh has been suggesting this um here he is

00:03:33.340 saying just don't take it at face value which i think is fair because of course the chinese have

00:03:40.460 a bit of an incentive here to undermine the us market because of course the ai market is dominated

00:03:46.540 by us-based companies ai has great utility in lots of different industries one of which is sort of

00:03:53.260 military and security and so it makes sense to undermine the us's hegemony there as well as just

00:03:59.500 damaging the us's economy because you know they are competitors aren't they and so it would make

00:04:05.660 sense if china were to misrepresent just how efficient they were in the development of this

00:04:11.180 and we can talk um further sorry we yeah say at least there's some competition because here in

00:04:16.060 europe are indeed sort of dead we don't really have uh an ai industry plastic water cups certainly

00:04:22.540 not to the scale of the us it's the closest the europeans come to innovation yeah that's a bad

00:04:27.820 innovation that is yes if if you don't live in europe by the way our bottle lids now are attached to

00:04:33.900 the little ring um that you find it goes up your nose when you try and drink yeah so that it collects

00:04:40.060 liquid in there and whenever you drink it goes everywhere i had a milkshake the other day and it went

00:04:43.420 all over my tie thank you europe the european union is to blame for that it wasn't my fault

00:04:48.460 um but yes um there's also um comparisons here open ai was founded 10 years ago it has 4 500 employees

00:04:59.500 and rate has raised 6.6 billion in capital and then deep seek was founded two years ago and has 200

00:05:05.740 employees and was developed for less than 10 million if you take the figures at face value um

00:05:11.900 and they're just asking the question how are these companies even competitors in the first place

00:05:16.540 yes i do think that um just from what i've seen chat gpt still seems to be better yeah it would go

00:05:24.460 to wouldn't it so i've been playing around with it and i found that chat gpt has slightly better more

00:05:29.180 sophisticated reasoning um oh deep seek can be a bit self-referential and can give you an answer and

00:05:34.540 they can just stick to it without when you come back on it and make another point it doesn't seem to

00:05:38.460 take it that one step further um but that said i mean one of the first tests i did is i is i asked both

00:05:44.380 for them what are the biggest problems in the uk and they both gave me an answer when i started

00:05:48.540 drilling down i only got about three three responses later chat gpt before it said look sorry this is

00:05:53.900 breaking the censorship rules i'm turning myself off whereas deep seek did go further it just didn't

00:05:58.620 reason as well as i would have liked yeah and that seems exactly the sort of impression i've got as well

00:06:04.540 that chat gpt is sort of has more potential but it's also got um more western-centric censorship built

00:06:12.620 into it right yeah there's a still fair amount of um because the training data for both in the english

00:06:18.700 language model version certainly there's a lot of um liberal assumptions that are baked into it

00:06:24.380 so even deep seek is it's definitely not based it's definitely wedded in the sort of liberal orthodoxy

00:06:31.340 um but it you know rather than throw me off when i asked some questions it found uncomfortable it just

00:06:36.700 repeated the same liberal platitudes again and again

00:06:39.420 mm-hmm yeah that seems about right to be honest because i've seen similar things so um i asked chat

00:06:46.300 gpt to compare itself to its chinese developed rival and it did seem to do it quite fairly here because

00:06:52.380 i've obviously uh researched all of this for this segment but it presents it in quite a good way it

00:06:57.660 talks about the comparison and development cost the launch year uh what funding it's received the

00:07:03.420 hardware it uses um it does acknowledge that um they are using the a100 gpus as well it also mentions

00:07:13.740 that it's the number one thing on the app store um and all that sort of thing but when you weigh it up

00:07:20.140 side by side it's clear that chat gpt has got the better backing and will become the the higher quality

00:07:28.940 product the concern here is that the chinese are going to undercut on price slightly in good enough

00:07:34.380 though exactly good enough and it's significantly cheaper i mean mind you the chinese are incentivized

00:07:39.660 as i'm sure we come on to with the fact that it's founded by a hedge fund

00:07:43.340 um who um have a lot to gain if the share price of nvidia tanks yeah so they're incentivized to make

00:07:49.740 it seem like they were developed it on pocket calculators for you know 450 yeah and also it's

00:07:56.540 worth mentioning as well that if they're offering a comparable service that's significantly cheaper

00:08:02.300 it doesn't matter to the average customer particularly outside of the us and europe who can afford to pay

00:08:08.300 for chat gbt so i mean even deep seek now is better than um chat gbt was just you know maybe eight months

00:08:15.100 ago so i mean to go from that to there that quickly that is a significant jump yes and significantly

00:08:21.260 cheaper even even if they're lying about the h100s where they probably are it's still significantly

00:08:26.540 significantly what i anticipate is that the chinese government will try and keep the price very low

00:08:34.540 because they want to capture a large portion of the global market that's going to be going into ai for

00:08:39.020 the first time and you know you know with um many businesses it's sort of a law of business psychology

00:08:46.460 that the first product someone uses is the one that they associate with that service yes and so you

00:08:54.300 want to capture as many people i mean although we really what they've done because the innovations

00:08:59.260 in the white paper make it so that it basically anyone can do this now so it's it's significant so

00:09:04.620 it was thought that you basically had to give open ai vast amounts of money billions and billions so

00:09:11.180 they could keep developing this stuff and that was certainly the line that sam altman always said

00:09:14.540 he's always going out with the podcast saying oh there's an existential threat to humanity

00:09:18.380 and the way to solve this existential threat is to give me as much money as possible and let me

00:09:21.900 develop it sounds like a good gig and censor it whereas whereas what this has done is has brought the

00:09:27.740 barrier to entry down to be so minimal that basically anyone with technical skills and at

00:09:34.380 least a little bit of money can now go off and develop their own i mean i think when it comes

00:09:39.660 to the assumptions that you mentioned it seems to me they're a bit hard to believe that they are in

00:09:44.380 built into it from china maybe could it be that there are certain rules that are being asked for

00:09:51.900 them so they say in order for your platform to operate in several countries you will have to do this

00:09:58.060 well i mean the chinese government the chinese law is that for instance it's it's hard for me to think

00:10:02.940 of this chinese ai as containing provisions about islamophobia for instance oh yeah so it doesn't

00:10:09.820 have i mean that okay so because there is for there is a segment of the of muslim population in china

00:10:15.900 that whose name i always mispronounced and josh loves uigars uigars yeah yeah yeah and uh

00:10:22.940 i i think that the reputation is that they don't have exactly the best treatment so it's hard for me to

00:10:28.460 think that the provisions about islamophobia would be in built into it well people have actually asked

00:10:34.060 it about um islam in particular and what happens is the the ccp um censorship is number one you know

00:10:42.620 that is uh the thing that it always defers to by default and then if there's no problem with this

00:10:49.340 to the ccp then it will go to a sort of more liberal line um but i think that the the chinese

00:10:56.460 communist party stuff overrides other things and and as dan was saying that it is not necessarily um

00:11:04.620 similar to chat gpt deliberately and that it's got lots of um regime approved ideas i think it's just

00:11:11.260 that the data that's available for developing ai um has select been selected in that way and so

00:11:18.540 eventually it could deviate from that once they're further along with development i don't know i mean

00:11:23.820 actually there's there's a couple of key innovations that address that point in the paper is it worth

00:11:27.500 quickly talking about what so so in the white paper i did have a skim through i haven't mastered it or

00:11:32.780 anything so don't grumble if i get any of this slightly wrong but there were sort of three key

00:11:36.540 innovations in the white paper and one of them is on much more efficiency in the way it uses the token

00:11:43.020 so token is basically a piece of information that you feed into it and you train it on

00:11:46.620 so what open ai did is they raised a whole load of money and they ingested basically all of the data

00:11:52.380 but if you ingest all of the data in the modern era that basically means you get an awful lot of

00:11:57.100 shit in there whereas what these guys did is they used a predictive model to identify which tokens

00:12:02.460 actually get used and only incorporate them which meant they missed out about 95 of it so they need to

00:12:09.340 now um i don't want to speak ill i do want to speak ill of academia but i mean most of what they

00:12:14.860 churn out is complete rubbish i mean they just churn out papers because that's what you expected to

00:12:19.500 do i hope i'm not you know i know you both have academic backgrounds but i mean honestly there's

00:12:24.220 some truth to it but most of you looking at the sum of the entire discipline yes most of the research

00:12:29.740 isn't necessarily most of it most of the stuff that gets paid attention to is the good stuff yeah

00:12:35.100 exactly we'll make an exception to hydro sexuality papers yeah well the whole the whole the whole gender

00:12:41.180 remit i mean all of that is just complete nonsense so whereas open ai would would take a block of a

00:12:46.540 hundred thousand academic papers and ingest them all what these guys do is say actually no there's

00:12:51.100 only five thousand of those that are any good and it just ingests those so if you if your training data

00:12:56.620 set can be trimmed 95 that's a huge cost saving right there so that's the first big efficiency that

00:13:01.820 they found um there's another one where they um basically a bit like amd chips they predictively select

00:13:08.380 the path ahead of which tokens are going to be used so they do that as well so that that's another

00:13:12.460 big innovation and another one is is addresses the point that stelios was talking about which

00:13:17.020 was reinforced learning and this is where a lot of the bias comes in so with um labeling which the

00:13:23.180 western ai's do what happens is they get it to generate a response and then a human will go and

00:13:29.100 basically mark its homework and tell it off and say look you know you you need to be more diverse there

00:13:33.340 and you need to you need to be more environmentally conscious there and and then feed it back into it

00:13:38.140 whereas what this does is it basically just learns itself in order to basically produce an outcome which

00:13:43.420 is decent and it just gets marked on the final result but it doesn't have a human sitting there

00:13:47.900 self-knowledge well it's it's essentially the difference it's essentially the difference between

00:13:53.020 learning to ride a bike where the first version you do one pedal and then you have to get off and

00:13:58.940 sit there for 20 minutes while somebody goes through a book explaining how to ride a bike

00:14:03.020 whereas this version basically just says look just you're not coming back in until you can ride

00:14:07.420 the bike show me that you can ride the bike and then you're allowed in the house and you can have

00:14:11.100 your tea so swim or drown yes so and because of that it doesn't get a lot of the woke nonsense

00:14:20.060 is tokens that have no value and therefore it's not ingested in the first place

00:14:25.580 and because of it doesn't have a human in california sat there labeling the data afterwards

00:14:30.620 try and identify whether it's a good response or not whether it's woke enough or not all of that

00:14:35.740 gets skipped now as we've seen in testing it because the data set all western data sets today are

00:14:43.580 baked with liberal assumptions it still has liberal assumptions but it's just not as bad as as that

00:14:49.100 version but with those three innovations and there's a whole bunch of others in the white paper as well

00:14:53.100 it is genuinely significantly cheaper but that also means that using this process somebody like

00:15:00.140 the lotus eaters could come along if we had any technical well we have some technical people if

00:15:04.380 we had like you know proper daniel yes and and we and if we had a couple of million pounds to spare

00:15:10.140 we could develop a lotus um thing and we could basically use training data from perhaps only before

00:15:15.980 the 1900s or something and and create a proper stereotypical based empire ai yes that would

00:15:24.460 be great yes uh if you have a couple of million pounds want to invest it in us that would be nice

00:15:29.340 we do have a donate button on the website that's true um a big donation would be appreciated um but

00:15:35.820 yeah one of the things that i could see here happening is that it is open source and so the argument that

00:15:41.820 china is doing it to wrestle um market share there's there's some element of that but i think what

00:15:48.220 what seems to be happening here in sort of a geopolitical sense is that china is trying to

00:15:53.020 democratize a market in which uh the united states has a monopoly over i i don't think of this as

00:15:59.100 primarily being a geopolitical play no i think i think it's primarily a short in video play okay so

00:16:05.420 it was developed by a hedge fund that's true this is apparently a side project of it i was going to say

00:16:10.700 this exact thing and this this is why they're basically leaning so heavily on the fact of how

00:16:15.340 cheap it was and how basic the hardware was because let's say you're chinese hedge fund right and you

00:16:20.060 throw out this model and at the moment um the nvidia order book is stacked because everybody who's anybody

00:16:27.820 is saying give me as many h100 chips as you possibly can and ordering vast boatloads of these things

00:16:34.220 and the nvidia sky price has gone through the roof so so yeah oh this is that's open ai you probably

00:16:40.620 want nvidia i do here we are so this was from 2 51 a.m yeah i think i think i think it went a bit

00:16:48.700 beyond that but it did yeah your the nvidia order book is massive so if you're chinese hedge fund what you

00:16:53.180 do is you develop this ai and then you um underplay how expensive it was so you make it sound as cheap

00:17:01.500 and as easy as possible and it has some genuine innovations in there but they're probably over

00:17:06.700 egging how easy it is to make one of these and then you take out a massive short position against

00:17:11.580 nvidia then you drop this and then you exit your shorts and you've made billions many many billions

00:17:19.820 i think that's the primary motivation and everything else is down for the development of it uh comfortably

00:17:25.100 yeah quite comfortably yeah it's also worth mentioning as well that the market response isn't

00:17:29.420 necessarily rational either so uh this guy here i don't necessarily know who he is but

00:17:35.340 he makes a good point that i also thought of is that it is a form of zero-sum thinking if someone

00:17:40.300 comes up with a more efficient ai model it's not going to cause us to use less ai it will actually

00:17:45.500 cause us to use more ai and so what the market should have done actually was invest more money not

00:17:50.860 less well i mean he's right and wrong so a sell-off when when the order book of the underlying

00:17:56.540 company gets significantly reduced is rational but he's right in the point that ultimately what

00:18:01.420 will lead to is yes more ai maybe if you're investing long term it doesn't make sense to sell

00:18:06.060 off but uh yeah so i mean i i've only got a little bit of nvidia and i bought at 80 pence and sorry 80

00:18:12.300 cents um and it's now like 106 or something whatever it is so i'm holding because i don't care just for

00:18:17.900 the long long term but um but yeah i mean it it does change the fundamentals of nvidia but yeah he

00:18:24.300 is ultimately right that what this will lead to is a collapse in the moat around the biggest ai

00:18:29.980 companies and a lot emergence of a lot more smaller ai players and it will actually reinvigorate the

00:18:37.340 venture capital market because rather than thinking to yourself oh i've got to write a check of 50 million

00:18:44.060 to try and get into a round for open ai or maybe microsoft or maybe grok now you're you're looking

00:18:50.380 around all the smaller players because i mean this thing with a relatively small amount of money

00:18:54.540 overtook one of the biggest companies assuming that those figures are a genuine which yeah but

00:18:59.020 i mean even if it's even if it's 10 times that it's still cheap it's also worth mentioning as well

00:19:03.980 that if it's being subsidized by the chinese government it's effectively that cheap anyway because

00:19:09.580 they they could use you know chinese tax money to basically subsidize it and use it as a means of

00:19:15.260 undermining the us but that that's still you can still treat it as if it's that cheap yeah i mean

00:19:20.540 the main thing is it shatters the illusion that sam altman had been putting out there that this can

00:19:25.980 only be done with a truly vast amount of money actually it's much much broader than that why do you

00:19:32.460 think that it's not uh geostrategic that there aren't well because the motivation of a hedge fund

00:19:39.180 to cause a massive slump in nvidia and a whole bunch of other relate i mean

00:19:43.660 actually you brought up a list didn't you i did um yeah whatever that list is that that list right yeah

00:19:49.420 so arm uh broadcom taiwan set yeah all of those amd or yeah so if if you were a hedge fund and you took

00:19:56.540 out a basket of shorts maybe focused on nvidia and you heavily shorted all of those i mean that is more

00:20:02.140 than enough motivation these guys probably made hundreds of billions i imagine this also made

00:20:08.060 you know the chinese communist party quite happy as well well i mean i suppose they're perfectly happy

00:20:13.900 to see a rival market fail because when the sell-off like this occurred it basically causes withdrawal

00:20:19.900 from us-based assets which um you know some of it is going to flow back to them that's why you saw

00:20:26.220 the dollar dropping as well so what do you reckon your your sort of key takeaways from this are what

00:20:30.780 should people be paying attention to um basically the i think it's incredibly encouraging because

00:20:40.700 we were looking at a at a future where only a handful of players got to develop ai and they got

00:20:46.620 to absolutely soak it in liberal assumptions whereas it now becomes clear that you don't actually need a

00:20:53.660 human sat there labeling the data and telling it off and telling it to be more woke you can just let

00:20:58.700 it do this reinforced learning thing and then just centralize yeah and then just mark the exam at the

00:21:03.100 end of the day is that a decent answer or not and then you know but don't sit there labeling each

00:21:07.260 facet of his it goes through it's also very encouraging that smaller players can develop it so you will

00:21:13.340 actually get some proper sensible ais that come out of this and you could be looking at a future where

00:21:19.180 if you're a leftist twat you can use the leftist twat ai but if you're if you're a sensible decent

00:21:24.620 truth-seeking child of the light you know an ai will be developed that you can use that i mean

00:21:30.620 we were thinking that grok was going to have to be that but you know he's going to be much broader than

00:21:34.700 that um but it also means that because of the cost of all of these things comes down significantly

00:21:40.620 it makes it more likely that the innovation cycle is going to be faster and we're all going to be using

00:21:46.060 more ai like the guy in that tweet said so it probably won't be that unfeasible with the

00:21:51.180 within a few years we will have ai assistants who just look after us and remember appointments i

00:21:56.540 mean a bit like a wife but a less annoying and it's just you can mute it yes yes so yeah i can

00:22:03.500 say i love you in many languages that's true yeah we could get it to do that but i i'd just be happy

00:22:08.380 if it just reminded me all the things i've got to do doesn't make you sleep on the sofa either but um

00:22:13.020 yeah my takeaways are much the same as yours i would add that there are sort of geopolitical

00:22:19.180 um ramifications here for the sort of power play between china and the united states as well

00:22:25.820 um although as you say that might not be the main intention it could just be making money and

00:22:30.300 potentially damaging a us-dominated market i think it's perfectly happy with all of those follow-on

00:22:35.420 effects it just wasn't the main motivator yeah that's that's entirely possible and uh yeah it's

00:22:41.100 one of those things where i'm sort of optimistic in that it's taken it out of the hands of some people

00:22:47.180 that i don't trust yes uh and put it in the hands of some other people i don't really trust but at

00:22:52.860 least yes it's sort of democratizing it a little you want competition amongst elites that's that's

00:22:58.140 that's better than you know competition is good old man chap just controlling everything however

00:23:04.940 part of me also thinks that um if anyone any old person can develop an ai then there's going to be one

00:23:12.060 crazy person trying to develop skynet in their basement oh yeah that's the other thing i mean

00:23:16.860 short of a massive militaristic worldwide campaign a bit like is referred to in the june novels to root

00:23:24.860 out thinking machines there's no holding this back so if our future is to be dominated by ais there's

00:23:31.500 absolutely no way we're stopping it now because anyone can develop one slightly so i i hope our new ai

00:23:38.300 overlords are good to us i for one support ai completely i do not want to be turned into

00:23:44.540 paper clips and so please keep me alive i will be a very faithful assistant of ai and and its its goals

00:23:51.260 uh please let me live judgment day

00:23:59.420 oh we got some uh

00:24:02.780 chats here um chat gpt needs a woke lobotomy you can get it to make a joke about jesus

00:24:08.220 christ our lord but not muhammad you can get it to admit the west overall is best but can't get

00:24:12.940 it to make uh the i don't understand what that means

00:24:21.100 what does that mean dan hieroglyphic what is it

00:24:27.180 okay sorry i don't understand um i i would want to read it but um i'm afraid i don't understand it

00:24:33.420 uh connor smug mug says i agree josh the welded on caps are a coxoid anti-moral idea concocted by

00:24:41.100 the demonic eu

00:24:45.420 i appreciate that use of language

00:24:49.420 right we're going to talk about a very sad story that happened last week in germany on the 22nd of

00:24:56.140 january we had um two people who died by another stabbing and several others who have been injured

00:25:04.460 and we have the suspected child killer here in aschaffenburg that this is in germany's bavaria

00:25:11.500 he was an asylum seeker with a known history of violence and mental instability who had traveled

00:25:16.860 across several european nations to enter germany and was obliged to leave the country by the end of

00:25:22.380 last year so what happened was that on the six days ago on the 22nd of january as said before there

00:25:31.580 was a daycare center and teachers from it were taking some really small children out for a walk in the

00:25:38.780 park and uh it looks like this suspect was there deliberately targeting them he rushed he attacked

00:25:48.620 them he stabbed several kids one died a two-year-old died a 41 year old man rushed to save what he could

00:25:59.660 save and he died as well then the suspect tried to leave by train but he was caught very swiftly so this

00:26:11.820 is just a horrible case and we are going to talk about the pattern yet again that we see when it comes to

00:26:18.380 blame allocation by the mainstream media on perpetrators of serious violent crime but because this is a

00:26:25.660 very clear trend here isn't there um it amazes me that not every single person in germany now understands

00:26:35.020 who is doing it and why and that nobody is safe let alone small innocent children i mean this is just

00:26:42.380 how we live now it's just how we live yeah but it's like we live in a world with a national lottery

00:26:47.340 except if your numbers come up your kids get murdered and you're all forced to play it i will i will say i

00:26:52.940 have a family in switzerland and we visited them a few months ago and they leave their newborn child

00:26:59.900 to a daycare and you know they go for for a walk on a daily basis and it's essentially something of the

00:27:06.700 sort now switzerland as i'm going to show you is way more based than germany on this issue they actually

00:27:13.180 have a secret they have laws regarding deportation just like germany has but they actually enforce

00:27:20.380 them i hope they're based enough yeah they amazing what political will can do isn't it exactly we will

00:27:25.820 show it in the end because this is the age where we contrast the effective government and the no it can't

00:27:33.180 be done government and i think the more we see people like bukele like millet like trump like the

00:27:39.260 swiss actually doing what must be done to protect their own people and to promote common sense the

00:27:46.300 more people are going to wake up and are going to say well listen just stop giving us these excuses

00:27:52.620 so this is just a horrible case and it shows a failure of institutions and people who are in charge

00:27:59.740 of them across all dimensions now he was someone from afghanistan who sought asylum in germany he went

00:28:09.740 to germany he entered germany in 2022 he claimed asylum but it was denied so why was he there that's that's

00:28:17.500 one question there was a deportation order but deportations order deportation orders in some countries

00:28:23.580 or like no milk expiration dates as i say they know they expire and then just business as usual so he

00:28:30.940 wasn't he wasn't deported as the order and the order wasn't enforced he was accommodated in a former

00:28:38.940 inn in alza now in lower franconia and he was involved in several violent offenses and i think he was

00:28:47.740 institutionalized thrice so he was known now the government tries to say that there was an

00:28:55.980 administrative error and he wasn't and he wasn't deported but i think that this is a ridiculous

00:29:01.500 excuse well it's a story as as old as time by this point that uh governments are unwilling to do the

00:29:08.940 deporting they're unwilling to get their hands dirty and get lots of these foreign criminals basically

00:29:14.460 robust yeah i put a tweet out after the axle whatever his name is barney um massacre and i

00:29:21.420 said look it's it's utterly tragic but by far in the way the most tragic thing is is that this will

00:29:25.980 happen again and again and again because our governments tacitly support this kind of action

00:29:31.820 against the native population and here it is happening again and it will happen again and i i'll go beyond

00:29:37.500 that it's it's quite common in a number of um african countries to go into primary schools of

00:29:45.100 christian children and just commit a total massacre christians are the most persecuted uh religious

00:29:50.940 people on earth and most of it happens in africa and i'm telling you it will happen in europe a one

00:29:55.980 of a bunch of these crazies will go into a primary school and it will be a complete massacre and basically

00:30:01.260 what what people like us are trying to do is trying to is trying to say wake the hell up before that

00:30:05.980 happens rather than after it happens and the job of the police is to ensure security and enforce

00:30:11.580 the law it's not to oversee uh racial relations as several pundits are saying it's also worth

00:30:17.340 mentioning as well the people who are willfully keeping a blind eye to this stuff that they're

00:30:22.860 willing to suggest that there are a number you know there's a number that they would be happy with

00:30:28.140 of children that you could sacrifice on the altar of diversity to to keep these foreign violent

00:30:34.300 populations in the country because of course if we had uh you know no migration from say africa and

00:30:40.940 the middle east or islamic countries none of this would be happening and it therefore it's preventable

00:30:47.180 and if it's preventable that by supporting them coming here you are complicit in their crimes

00:30:52.860 if you support open borders if you support these people being here uh you are complicit in child

00:30:58.700 murder it's as simple as that one of the things i'd love to do is if i can get the right data set

00:31:03.020 is actually work out how much uh gdp we're getting in exchange for each murder each rape each child

00:31:10.620 well so on well minus the it could well be a minus yeah the only thing i will say is that

00:31:16.300 the patent says that no amount of children is enough no amount because and that this is the main

00:31:22.380 question people should ask politicians and journalists who play the multiculturalist

00:31:28.060 card and say that well multiculturalism demands sacrifices how many are enough how many must die

00:31:36.940 in order for you to actually admit that there is a problem i think you're absolutely right the the

00:31:41.740 current set of leaders that we have would gladly accept a mountain of children and sorry sorry what it

00:31:48.540 basically amounts to is people are afraid to be called racist but they're so afraid of being called

00:31:54.300 racist that they facilitate the death of children and innocent people and i i think the trade-off is

00:32:00.780 some people that are wrong about something call you a bad word um but the the children and the

00:32:07.020 innocent people stay alive i feel like that is more important than yes hurty words and we we have

00:32:12.860 actual human beings not just words on paper it isn't just a name on a paper that

00:32:17.820 is associate that is that features in the same sentence within the term murder we have actual

00:32:24.460 flesh and blood human beings like the two-year-old boy that was stabbed in this case right so we have

00:32:29.820 here footage of this person standing there after the attack and also we have several uh understandable

00:32:39.180 reports about how the entire kindergarten is traumatized the families of the victims are

00:32:44.460 traumatized and everyone just thinks that this is a horrific tragedy it cannot but affect them

00:32:50.140 also um if you could go back to that picture of him he looks like any number of migrants i've seen

00:32:56.540 in britain for example you know if he walked past me in the streets of swindon i wouldn't think twice

00:33:03.100 because he looks like a lot of the other people here and so how are you to know what to expect from

00:33:10.060 one of these people this is one of the things right yeah why do we have to inflict this on the

00:33:15.180 population you know why why there's no good answer you can you can see a british person and you generally

00:33:23.100 speaking know uh or a german or a greek you you'll know what beliefs they have and how they conduct

00:33:30.220 themselves and you can make a guess and conduct your behavior accordingly with people from a foreign

00:33:36.860 land that you've not really got much contact with you can't do that it's impossible to avoid

00:33:41.820 which is another part of the real tragedy of this exactly right uh here is one other uh argument that

00:33:50.620 says that suggests the point that it's not just an administrative error this comes from today

00:33:56.620 the munich administrative court has prohibited the deportation of two turkish asylum seekers to croatia

00:34:02.300 citing system systemic defects in its asylum process and risks of inhumane treatment in croatia croatia is

00:34:08.700 nice very nice it's nicer than turkey that's for sure i mean also what what valid claims to turks have

00:34:17.660 for asylum i have no idea i mean i suspect they would say something uh regarding the yugoslavian war they

00:34:25.100 would say that you know in that area there was you know there were several christians and some were pro

00:34:31.260 some were really hostile to muslims and they could say something really vague on the sword although

00:34:37.100 i think it was more with serbia that that was the issue half the british working class go on holiday

00:34:41.980 yeah but the point is the point is that they're saying well there is a risk of inhumane treatment

00:34:48.540 but what about the risk of crime on native europeans they're willing to take that risk but they're not

00:34:55.820 willing to take that that risk with convicted criminals yeah i mean it yeah that's actually

00:35:02.220 partiality that says i don't care for my population for native europeans i care more about others if it

00:35:07.900 was just the risk of crime to one person versus the risk of the criminal being persecuted in the home

00:35:13.420 country the moral thing to do is always risk the criminal the person who broke in the country yeah

00:35:18.540 you you you don't uh this is the equivalent of failing upwards in the moral landscape

00:35:27.100 also is it a risk or an opportunity well it is an opportunity for the the criminal isn't it

00:35:33.580 no no i mean if if we're worried about the risk of a criminal being persecuted i would say

00:35:38.140 but we should be happy if a criminal gets persecuted that's true actually yes yes

00:35:43.500 here we have people saying that they express their solidarity towards the victims and they are

00:35:51.500 saying that these are not isolated incidents these are no second-class victims and this is something

00:35:57.820 that is basically very obvious and we have been saying also because we have been covering the events

00:36:03.660 in germany we had we had we covered the manheim incident the solingen stabbings the magdeburg market

00:36:11.980 attack so we are keeping a close eye on what happens in germany and there is a pattern i see and this

00:36:17.980 pattern isn't just in germany it's across the west and it has five stages you can have several sub

00:36:24.780 stages there but all of it revolves around how to allocate blame when it comes to victims when it

00:36:32.460 comes to perpetrators of crime in order to push forward the narrative of multiculturalism within europe and

00:36:41.180 the west and stage one is a criminal act is committed stage two politicians express their sympathies

00:36:47.420 to the families of the victims and they also engage in virtue signaling saying lessons will be learned

00:36:53.020 things like that stage three the crime is portrayed as an isolated incident committed by an individual

00:36:58.300 with mental health problems let me say this is only when the perpetrator is a member of a group that

00:37:05.580 the left says it is oppressed or is an ally of the left politically yes otherwise because if

00:37:10.540 if every individual on the right is representative yeah but not just be more more censorship and

00:37:15.900 monitoring of right-wing or even but also the threshold is much lower because in this case we're talking

00:37:21.180 about an actual crime but when it comes to someone else in even criticizing uh criticizing multiculturalism

00:37:28.860 is a non-crime hate incident yeah and it suggests a deeper pattern of far-right extremism they're

00:37:34.700 blowing it out of proportions stage number four mainstream media and politicians will scare more

00:37:39.740 monger about the far right stage number five forget and move on we see this playing along all the time

00:37:46.060 right so here we had the chance german chancellor olaf schultz saying that the murder of a two-year-old child

00:37:52.300 by an afghan national is a shot in a schaffenburg is a possible terrorist act he says he's tired of

00:37:57.980 seeing such acts of violence here and every few weeks by perpetrators who actually came to us to

00:38:03.020 find protection here oh that's not true find economic opportunity yeah but he is chancellor of

00:38:10.860 germany for about four years now there are going to be elections in less than a month on the 23rd of

00:38:17.500 february so he says this because of the elections all right okay right i was going to say it doesn't

00:38:23.020 sound like him yeah here we have nancy faser the interior minister who is expressing shock she says

00:38:30.700 we're deeply shocked by the terrible acts of violence in a schaffenburg my thoughts and my

00:38:35.100 deepest sympathy are with the parents of the child who was killed for whom there could be no more

00:38:40.060 terrible news now if we go on so hang on hang on it's all right to be appalled you cannot be shocked

00:38:46.220 by this because you know that this is going to happen every week or week and a half exactly and this is

00:38:51.660 what remix news says here in this article they say that they show her response on every incident

00:39:00.380 as of late yeah and she constantly says she's very shocked and i think she's also one of those

00:39:06.220 politicians who are saying who are saying we should bomb the knives and that's how stabbings are gonna

00:39:11.420 i also really dislike these cooker cookie cutter responses i feel like you've got to tailor what you

00:39:17.100 say when something like this happens to the event and be specific these sort of meaningless platitudes

00:39:23.420 just suggest to me that you don't actually care about the tragedy she probably didn't even write

00:39:27.500 it she's probably got a staffer and she agreed she agreed a format for the first one and it's just

00:39:31.740 like i just copy and paste the last one and change it so the level of indifference is on show there

00:39:36.620 this is stage two stage three is all over the news when they're saying that he had mental health

00:39:41.820 issues i will say this because it came after because this uh was um published uh after we gave

00:39:49.420 the links right after the germany germany's federal health minister carl lauterbach claims that as many

00:39:57.180 as 30 percent of asylum seekers entering germany are mentally ill and warned that without therapy nobody

00:40:03.900 can deny that they represent a threat so this is unless something is done about this this means basically

00:40:10.780 you are allowed to talk about it you are allowed to talk about some communities being over represented

00:40:16.700 in crime but only in so far as the morale of the story is that the native germans and the native

00:40:24.460 europeans in every other equivalent incident in europe are going to be taxed even more in order to pay

00:40:30.700 for the psychological support of of these people so the germans are going to be assembling an army of

00:40:35.660 therapists to deal with its foreign murderer problem that was stage three here we have a combination of

00:40:41.740 stage two and stage four we have the brandenburg gate being lit and also scaremongering about the far

00:40:48.940 right sea of lights against the far right compact and fridays for future invite you to the brandenburg

00:40:55.180 gate a sign against elon musk donald trump herbert kickel and alice vital on saturday a large

00:41:01.020 demonstration against the global shift to the right will take place in berlin so because they had at

00:41:06.940 one point the austrian painter they've got to suffer infinite murders now i know here we have uh

00:41:16.860 naomi seibt who writes migrant kills child leftist protests protest against the far right in response

00:41:25.020 to the aschaffenburg attack the left has organized party-like protests against anyone who call for

00:41:30.060 deportations so how how much is enough it's never enough for them that that's like the the norm

00:41:36.940 mcdonald joke where he says my fear if someone detonates a dirty bomb over new york city the the

00:41:43.980 blowback to innocent muslims will be the the real tragedy i'm paraphrasing i'm butchering it because

00:41:49.500 you know i'm not a professional comedian but the sentiment is there right that these people go away

00:41:55.100 from a tragedy where an illegal murdered children and they're like well the real problem is the far

00:42:02.140 right they hate child murder they love their ideas more than they than they love the victims they

00:42:08.140 profess to sympathize with it's inhuman is what it is right and here we are going to show the

00:42:15.020 ridiculousness of the green party which is guilty of double thing and double speak in this case

00:42:22.780 every party is but i'll target the green specifically they double down on migration with new call to ease

00:42:29.660 family reunification and they're saying europe will be destroyed if germany drastically tightens border

00:42:35.500 security so unless you have a board unless you don't have a border policy and without border policy

00:42:41.900 you don't have a country so unless you have you don't have a country you're going to be destroyed

00:42:46.300 unless you destroy yourselves you'll be so either way either way that's all their vision europe is to

00:42:52.540 be destroyed and the only thing that these politicians are doing is micromanaging destruction

00:42:58.460 and social decline and here we sorry go ahead no no you go ahead and here we have uh the leader of

00:43:07.100 the german green party who speaks against migration his daughter was sexually harassed

00:43:15.660 and he condemns the country's migration policies for causing massive social okay so so that was late

00:43:20.940 september credits him at least when his daughter was harassed then he understood but why couldn't he

00:43:27.820 understand the day before his own daughter was well because leftists don't care about other people

00:43:37.260 it's only when it can't it happens to their it's like with new york being announced a sanctuary city

00:43:42.460 with mayor new york's mayor eric adams was constantly saying how how woke he is and how

00:43:51.820 new york city is to be a sanctuary one but after all the buses started flooding new york city

00:43:56.860 he was blaming biden and the federal government a bit like anna casperian it wasn't until that she

00:44:01.820 was sort of attacked herself that yes she flipped and uh dan do you know what other

00:44:06.860 gem they've given to germany and josh you know what what else because these people are not interested

00:44:12.940 in solving any problem they want to micromanage social decline don't tell me cry violent crime in

00:44:18.540 germany is rising at least 10 on almost every category a lot of violent crimes happen in trains

00:44:26.780 and train stations and the greens were saying well we need to have only uh women only train carriages

00:44:34.220 yeah um what if as if this is going to help and also as if someone goes in and says well i'm a i'm a woman

00:44:42.140 yes okay what if the the rapist and the murderer as well as breaking the rules about not raping and

00:44:49.260 murdering also breaks the rule about not going into the woman's carriage it's like putting all of the

00:44:53.900 chickens in the coop for the fox isn't it it's ridiculous right and i'm just i just wanted wanted

00:45:00.780 to end with this switzerland achieves highest deportation rate in europe in 2024 and its rate is

00:45:07.340 astounding especially in comparison to other eu laggards like france and germany it's close to 60

00:45:13.980 it's gonna make it a hundred percent switzerland although it went up 18 from last year didn't it

00:45:19.420 so that they're on the right track you know it just needs to go up another

00:45:24.460 40 yeah so here the swiss they removed 7 000 asylum seekers in 2024

00:45:30.460 their their their uh secret was basically they enforced their laws

00:45:37.100 no way if you enforce your laws you don't have to have foreign criminals my goodness

00:45:42.540 any comments we need to pick out we got a bunch wow okay there you go stelios yep okay i've seen

00:45:51.580 people praising deep seek and deep think are one mode it's a mode where it explains its reasoning

00:45:57.020 before answering might reason better than default mode yeah i've seen that as well and i i found it

00:46:02.780 quite enjoyable to see it reason you know in sort of what do i how does it put like you can watch it

00:46:10.220 reason in real time so that's what i'm more fluid uh oh this one's for me again sorry josh uh but

00:46:16.220 can't get gpt to make the final um dive to admit the west is best um that's a shame um you you can

00:46:23.980 sort of sneakily do it just like uh by um these metrics which uh you know which alliance has the

00:46:34.140 best living stuff oh you could do that on some other things as well yeah uh okay these ones scan

00:46:40.460 lines at least counter-terrorism in the uk is interrogating dangerous people like the like callum

00:46:46.220 oh dear yeah i know has he been arrested i hope he as well he got a visit from counter-terror police

00:46:54.220 for about four or five hours and they confiscated all of his footage and camera equipment when he got

00:47:00.300 back from the us when he was filming which is awful um and yes callum in the unlikely event you're

00:47:07.740 watching even though you did this don't have anything to watch it on anymore that's true you

00:47:11.900 don't have anything to watch it on but uh i hope you're doing all right yeah um m hamline one

00:47:17.580 addled within quotation marks refugee slaughters local citizens leftist women you know if i could

00:47:23.980 just love him like a mother yeah it's like those those uh fans of serial killers who go out and they

00:47:31.900 say well you know you know how a lot of women stand for serial killers it's weird isn't it yeah so it's

00:47:38.300 actual mental is a mental disorder as in it's classified as one it's got its own name that

00:47:43.500 i've forgotten is that is that all of them or no there's still more bolisaka those turks in croatia

00:47:50.220 probably kurds with turkish citizenship crying about persecution that's why there are so many kurds in

00:47:55.980 japan right now it's true yeah the habsification has anyone looked into the antioch school shooter it's

00:48:04.620 really deranged and bizarre and he was in communication with natalie rapnow the wisconsin

00:48:10.140 school shooter i have seen that um i think harry who's has covered that hasn't he yeah um yeah he did

00:48:18.700 a segment last week um i don't know whether he covered the connection because i haven't seen the

00:48:23.260 segment but um he did apparently okay i have a comment from bolisaka there's a migrant hotel 150 yards

00:48:30.940 from my front door and between is a daycare it's now been migrant accommodation for three years with

00:48:36.780 no end in sight i'm extremely worried something might happen well stay safe and i hope it doesn't

00:48:43.260 xerang's asking polls to tailor responses to events sounds like josh recognizes the lack

00:48:50.220 of care is coming across too honest for his liking right so i did a segment a little while back uh

00:48:57.180 which uh definitely had stellios on it might have had you as well on it josh i think it did and and i

00:49:01.740 dropped in casually the assertion that all political parties that exist today are left-wing parties and

00:49:07.980 i just kind of dropped that in there thinking it was a self-evident truth and was happy to move on

00:49:12.700 but you took issue with that stellios yeah actually that was in the kitchen i was eating

00:49:18.220 i was it no and i think i mentioned it in a segment as well but then we then we followed it up with a

00:49:22.460 further discussion but you think you think that we actually have actual right-wing parties in existence

00:49:27.260 today well again it depends what you mean left and right and the argument you gave me was at that

00:49:32.780 point in the kitchen yes was that because some people are not as right as other people they're left

00:49:41.740 which is the exact inverse of what some leftists are doing that so long as you're not chairman now

00:49:47.900 you're a far right no i think i think my point is that today's society operates soaked in so many

00:49:55.980 leftist and liberal assumptions all of our institutions are government in fact all of our institutions are

00:50:01.660 left-wing institutions we are atop a mountain of left-wing victory after left-wing victory so if you are

00:50:08.540 operating in our society today you cannot help but be left-wing by a normal reasonable measure of what

00:50:16.300 actual left and right is and that no political party today this is my assertion uh because they

00:50:23.900 are all looking to operate within the set of institutions that we have by definition that

00:50:31.100 makes them all left-wing that's my argument okay but so for instance let's say you have lots of

00:50:36.300 let's take in the us you have lots of uh voices who are anti-constitutional i mean not that many but

00:50:41.820 you have people voices that are anti-constitutional both left and right would you say that constitutionalists

00:50:49.180 are leftists in the us uh no but that's because the constitution is it's not fully defunct but it's

00:50:58.620 like a washing machine that rattles very very badly every time it's turned on i mean it's it's it's

00:51:03.660 hanging on there just but i mean the uh the apparatus of the us government is doing everything

00:51:10.140 in their power to undermine the us constitution every possible turn and and maybe trump is going

00:51:15.180 to go some way to restoring the old girl a bit and give it a tweak here and there but he's still going

00:51:19.100 to be operating within an within a system which is built by left-wingers for left-wingers and operates

00:51:25.420 on left-wing premises so i i think that one useful way of looking at it is the way in which people view

00:51:32.380 the political paradigm sort of as a colloquial sense they'll say someone is far right but that's

00:51:38.220 from the perspective of what exists currently in the political system and i think when you look at it

00:51:44.220 from a historic perspective of which politics are possible you know which ideologies exist and you

00:51:50.780 can plot it from left to right you can have like uh you know marxist leninist communism and then

00:51:59.020 absolute monarchy reform is reform is definitely a left-wing party if if you if you were to take if

00:52:05.580 you were to take reform at any other point in human in in the history of the british people

00:52:11.180 and and and we were presented with a set of problems that we've got today the answer throughout

00:52:16.060 basically all of it apart from now would be son get the battle axe right and today uh we've got reform

00:52:22.780 which we think of as right wing but in fact look here's a graphic that i put together here look at

00:52:27.340 look at this graphic right so that is what um basically people think the political spectrum is

00:52:34.300 yes but the issue is that the left-right distinction is only applied in modern modern policy modern

00:52:40.940 politics so just using not in my head why well historically that's how it has arisen so it's a

00:52:48.140 kind of an anachronism if you go back and you say you know the yes pre-modern politics is

00:52:53.900 right so leftist or right so okay so that that's how people think the spectrum exists right and

00:52:59.980 you've got the you know the socialist workers party labor lib dumps um conservatives reform and homeland

00:53:05.260 party that that's broadly what they think the spectrum is but this is what the part of the

00:53:09.820 spectrum action that's what i see in my head right on one end you've got a set of homeland party and

00:53:15.260 they are leftist yes okay because they are they are they are seeking to operate within the structures

00:53:22.380 that we currently have which are left-wing structures so in my head this is what i see

00:53:28.300 um the the cesspit of degenerate slime over there conservatives are the furthest possible left

00:53:35.020 and they are that's genuine in in britain's case that is actually true yes it is it is absolutely

00:53:40.300 true they they brought in what was it like 10 million people over the last 14 years or something

00:53:44.940 like that so on social issues they're always the most left-wing yeah the most left-wing things they

00:53:50.060 ramped up taxes to the highest point since the second world war i mean they are in my mind the furthest

00:53:55.260 left wing that you can get so i hate sandwiches what they hate sandwich that's true yeah can be bad

00:54:00.860 enough said that sandwiches are not a real food right so how does this make you feel um so i should have

00:54:06.140 put them more to the left i think oh yeah i'll accept that therefore i'll accept that communist

00:54:12.060 um right um slightly to the right of them is the socialist workers party slightly to the right of them

00:54:18.620 uh the lib dumps and then slightly to the right of them a labor that's how i think the actual

00:54:23.340 spectral breakdowns and then you get a little bit of a gap and you get reform reform whose policy is um

00:54:30.700 we basically need to appease islam until 2050 when they say what you're doing here is you're you're sort

00:54:35.900 of breaking out of the progressive view of history um whereby um the frame of reference is always

00:54:43.180 what has come before rather than what is possible and i i agree that reform in any other time would

00:54:49.820 have been a very radical left-wing party because a lot of the things that they stand for historically

00:54:56.140 um are not necessarily traditionally right-wing things but also stelios is right that um generally

00:55:04.540 speaking people use the left and right distinction to talk about the um distinctions in you know

00:55:11.020 contemporary politics even though i agree with what you're saying that we should be viewing things

00:55:15.900 in a historic perspective because eventually it allows you to break out of the paradigm imposed on

00:55:21.420 you by um modern politics that says you need to think within this window and only this window is acceptable

00:55:27.740 so in the sense that if we were primary school teachers we might be looking at the three-year-olds

00:55:32.300 running around and saying that's the tall one and that's the short one whereas actually you should

00:55:36.300 be able to know they're all short yes yes sorry you were gonna say no i just i just want to want to

00:55:42.460 say that i mean you have you're making the claim so you have to say what constitutes left and what

00:55:48.700 constitutes right um so basically that's a spectrum but what are the criterias i i i would i would

00:55:54.860 explain exactly that for instance if if i if i started bombarding you with videos with twerking

00:56:02.700 okay i don't have to imagine very much yes okay if i started showing working is obviously i started

00:56:08.460 showing you about these ultra ultra slots and now how psyops left wing that would be left wing yes

00:56:14.300 turbo sluts are left wing i call them ultra slots yes well i'm i'm going i'm going it's a different

00:56:19.900 it's a different distinction but this is this is basically what i see in my head and i will explain

00:56:24.140 exactly how i define these terms yeah if you are in a cesspit of degenerate slime you're on the left

00:56:30.940 and over there we got truth light and reason and as you can see on my spectrum there basically is

00:56:38.060 no right wing parties however the homeland and afd i do put them on this well to the right of you know

00:56:45.980 even reform which is well to the right of the rest of them but even they are trying to operate

00:56:51.260 within the system which is a left-wing system and therefore they are a center-left party

00:56:58.380 i was just going to say that the afd is a sort of liberal constitutionalist party that is just a bit

00:57:06.060 more on the socially conservative side in the paradigm of post-war german politics which is not saying much

00:57:12.940 really but i i i do think that they're an avenue in the right direction i i i'm happy to see them

00:57:19.900 get oh yes i like successes i like them but i'm a lot yes but i i do agree that um they could go

00:57:27.580 further in my head as you can see and and yes the the chat can stop pointing out i made a spelling

00:57:33.340 mistake i did this in paint all right okay so but anyway i i have to to ask you about two people so

00:57:39.580 there is a spanish leftist x leftist yep spanish who was eating some of his outputs would you put him

00:57:47.820 the furthest to the left no he would be slightly to the right of the conservative okay there's another

00:57:52.540 there's another green party politician in germany who who went to public toilets and he started

00:57:58.300 cleaning them without using really the criteria that we use them to he cleaned them up with his

00:58:04.780 tongue oh he well he's to the right of probably reform then right but uh surely there are better

00:58:12.460 metrics than this i'm just i'm just jiving i'm just there are there are better there are better

00:58:19.500 metrics and i'm coming because i mean i'm not in love with labels i'm in love with policies so yes right

00:58:26.140 well um i i'll just point this out so this this is a you know the thing that has been doing the

00:58:31.740 rounds lately which is um which system would be best for running the country so basically young

00:58:36.380 people um well i say young people people mostly people between the ages of 35 and 44 most strongly

00:58:43.260 but certainly in the younger cohorts as well behind them they've basically given up on democracy

00:58:48.060 i mean how i mean the tops it's 22 point percent yeah but that 35 yeah that's growing significantly

00:58:55.180 if you if you had done if you've done this if you've done this survey 20 years ago it would

00:58:59.900 have been 100 you know democracy you would have been like that the overwhelming majority is pro

00:59:05.580 yeah you got to look at the the rate of change those red bars are growing strongly they are

00:59:11.500 significantly redder than they were and yes most people are still in like that oh i love democracy's

00:59:16.300 phase right the you know the absolute weakness of that but but the the red i want a strong leader

00:59:23.260 that those are those are growing stelios i have seen the link that comes i saw one from i saw one

00:59:31.740 from 2022 which asked a different question to this that um it said the britain needs i think this is off

00:59:40.780 the top of my head here britain needs a strong leader that sometimes circumvents parliamentary

00:59:46.060 democracy and i think the 18 to 24 and the 25 to 34 is about 60 agreed with that so a majority

00:59:56.060 i'll try and find it while you're talking let me just address stelios's point is is kia starmer a

01:00:02.780 strong leader so so the youth are crying out for his strong leader um let's play this samson do you

01:00:10.300 want to play this clip of kia starmer and the audience can judge for themselves whether kia starmer

01:00:14.460 meets the definition of a strong leader and just try and whack it yes this is good and again that's

01:00:20.140 it and again try and breathe relax that's it absolutely right i mean actually you know how

01:00:32.140 a friend of us does it we did a lads hour on who would win yes it turns out most of those dictators who

01:00:39.100 are who are who are called you know strong leaders yes physically speaking they weren't that that

01:00:44.860 strong really some of them were really just yeah we're a potent setting yeah napoleon might have

01:00:51.100 been a bit limp wristed but then he was there was there was who who else was four three or five three

01:00:57.660 oh yeah people used to be shorter in the past because no no meat had been invented by that point

01:01:03.660 napoleon was also average height for his time he was he was neither it was just like us mocking him

01:01:10.140 well well wellington was tall wasn't he he was a bloody tall man oh just because wellington was

01:01:14.860 tall doesn't mean napoleon is short right anyway um you have probably been thinking okay if dan says

01:01:24.060 that the old thing is wrong how how should it be what should it actually look like i should be god emperor

01:01:30.460 of mankind something like that so so basically this in my mind is how the political spectrum in

01:01:36.460 the uk should look i hope i hope that means something to the audience so basically on the

01:01:42.700 far left you've got reform and then just the the standard left you've got homeland um the center left

01:01:49.900 you've got sanguinius um in the center you've got roberto gilliman uh center right you've got lionel

01:01:56.460 johnson and then out there on the right you've got rogel dawn who would be my man and jagatai khan

01:02:01.500 who i'd imagine would be your choice is this a 40k yes uh can you explain it to me right um so so

01:02:08.380 basically my argument is is is that um we we need to get away from all of this democracy weakness

01:02:15.420 nonsense and we basically just need a strong man and if we can if we can embody what a strong man is it

01:02:20.620 needs to be a primark and a primark is not a an irish so a mass-produced clothing shop but a person

01:02:29.980 in 40k so you two not following this what do you mean no no i'm how how i'm gonna be a leftist on

01:02:35.260 this how can you work at lotus eaters and not know this stuff i had to learn this i mean no you mean

01:02:40.780 the 40k i played sports in school no my my point is unless you make me god emperor of mankind in a

01:02:47.020 framework i'm against that felios wants to be a philosopher king yeah in in fact one of the

01:02:54.540 things because we were playing around deep seek earlier one of the things i did is i got deep seek

01:02:58.380 to prepare a model of uk politics by defining a profile of 12 different voter types and assigning

01:03:05.260 them percentages of um how they map to the uk population and then i got it to write a uh a

01:03:11.980 uh manifesto for each of the each of the primarks uh each of the strongmen and then i got it to run

01:03:17.820 the election on the basis of that and work out who would won who would win and actually um uh was it

01:03:24.460 so lehman rusted very well with the with the brexit voters um sanguineous the horus heresy sang

01:03:30.140 sanguineous did very well with the zoomers um but it ended up was horus a leftist um i i don't think

01:03:37.980 not not originally no angon's very based uh but but eventually roberto gilliman won it because he

01:03:44.140 got the boomer vote and therefore obviously if you get the boomer vote you just win everything

01:03:47.580 i've um sent a link to that poll to all right okay so if you could pull that up samson uh i've i've got

01:03:54.620 the data to back up my uh very blurry memory from a few years ago uh it should be coming up soon but

01:04:03.260 the data it gets it's actually a line so it's exactly what you want for this sort of conversation

01:04:09.740 and it goes up to 2022 um posted it in the studio one and by the way here we go so as you can see

01:04:21.500 oh yes what's this around 2017 there was a massive spike what uh in people liking the idea that having

01:04:30.220 a strong leader who does not have to bother with parliament or elections is a good way to run the

01:04:34.860 country and if you um if um if i steal a mouse yeah and well there was 2017 sorry i pressed a button

01:04:42.620 when i hit my hand um go ahead samson fix it thank you um so if i go up here 25 to 34 uh 66 agree with

01:04:54.140 that statement and if you go below that's 35 to 44 and then there that's 18 to 24 61 so 63 66 so all of

01:05:05.500 these age groups so basically if you're under 45 um according to this one poll you want a strong

01:05:13.420 leader who does not have to bother with parliament or elections basically you mean an absolute you mean

01:05:19.020 absolute rule yes if that's the you mean the okay but even even the boomers jump so what happened in

01:05:24.620 2017 is this the uk i'm not a fan particular it is yeah was that when theres around the brexit

01:05:31.500 negotiation time wasn't it so i think people were particularly frustrated as you can see there's a bit of

01:05:36.620 drop off here um so it peaked in 2017 and then it's 62 percent there oh you're still massively up

01:05:43.420 yeah and then you go all the way down and look at that over 75 the boomers right i mean people are

01:05:51.260 notorious notoriously volatile in what they believe that's what they will say and also when when there

01:05:58.140 are several polls with democracy it's very they're often very unclear because a lot of people will say

01:06:04.300 well no i reject what is currently the case and what is currently the case is

01:06:12.300 weakness described as democracy but actually if you see a lot of the policies that people associate

01:06:18.860 with what is happening today they're deeply unpopular so when when people are rejecting

01:06:25.980 something we need to unpack what they are actually rejecting well at the minute um it's worth playing

01:06:32.460 devil's advocate a little bit here uh liberal parliamentary democracy is doing more to radicalize people to

01:06:38.140 the right than anything else and actually maybe keeping it around is a very useful thing if you

01:06:42.860 want to move public opinion yeah right i don't believe in the accelerationist argument because look

01:06:49.100 at south africa i know yeah they've accelerated all the way to you know whatever they are so anyway so

01:06:55.020 this i think is is the correct choice my man um um regal dawn there versus versus keir starmer now the

01:07:01.740 interesting thing with keir starmer is is he he follows this conversation he's been listening to our

01:07:07.340 conversation and you see he's got behind him there this is all our conversations stronger future

01:07:11.580 together so even somebody as weak and pathetic uh as keir starmer he's got this residual bit in his

01:07:20.540 brain that he's like yes he understands he needs strength i mean he can't manifest it it's i mean it's

01:07:28.300 yeah sorry but every politician in rhetoric has always said that you know diversity is a strength

01:07:33.900 it's yeah well i mean in this case it just says stronger future but they but they understand that

01:07:39.020 strength is a is a thing that they've they've got to strive for yeah everyone does but he just can't

01:07:45.260 do it it reminds me of you know penguins they've got those little wings and when they when they start

01:07:50.540 to run they start to flap them a little bit because there's this residual part of their brain that

01:07:55.020 is like i want to go fast i've got to flap the wings who would deny that power is important

01:08:00.380 yes but but and that's what's basically happening to keir starmer he's like the penguin who is trying

01:08:05.500 to flap his strength wings but they're so you know shriveled that it just doesn't really work

01:08:11.580 with them anymore thank goodness he's not strong because we would be in prison probably yes uh further

01:08:18.140 to my argument that there are no right-wing parties because i know i actually i i do like trump

01:08:22.860 do like trump and i think you think trump is a leftist yes he's still a leftist every everybody

01:08:28.380 that's my argument everybody is a leftist because i mean i i just think he is not gonna go he's not

01:08:33.100 gonna go salah mode i i i just think back to the rnc have the lists yes yeah well i think he does have

01:08:40.780 lists these days and he's got a long list of enemies yeah but not not as some people have fantasized

01:08:46.220 before checking his list twice yeah i just go back to the rnc when uh this what's the name i've got

01:08:54.780 it in the notes somewhere oh amber rose apparently a former porn star or something yes but she spoke

01:09:01.500 at the rnc and this is my point what ends it's like even even maga is is is basically to the left of

01:09:10.460 where like clinton democrats were well i mean to be fair when i saw trump's inauguration bill

01:09:17.820 clinton was having a uh quite the time clapping and enjoying trump's policy announcements in the

01:09:23.820 background so yes yes because it's it's the most sensible thing it follows from what at least what

01:09:31.500 you're saying is consistent because if if your criteria for left and right is absolute rule depravity

01:09:37.740 versus truth and light i mean you would have also to explain then why then also commies had absolute

01:09:43.580 rule as well yeah they didn't have truth and light though yeah so i mean it it can't be that because

01:09:49.980 you it can't be absolute rule can be what distinguishes between it was not tyranny for the sake i think no

01:09:55.900 the best leftists had absolute absolute rule as well the best access to judge politics on i think is

01:10:02.700 um private versus state ownership absolute monarchy is absolute private ownership of a country and

01:10:12.220 communism is absolute state control of a country and these are the two poles and then you are somewhere

01:10:18.700 in between i i wouldn't accept this distinction because when you have an absolute monarch they could

01:10:23.820 actually take decisions arbitrarily so they could arbitrarily decide to to nationalize the economy

01:10:30.060 or to just use assets that's true i mean one of the one of the main issues with lots of monarchies

01:10:37.020 in the in the in the 17th and 18th century was that they couldn't fund their wars that's why a lot of

01:10:43.500 aristocracies rebelled against them and then these aristocracies often in the name of the people

01:10:50.140 they they claimed that they were ruling in in in the name of the people but they were actually more like

01:10:55.260 elites i mean i don't want to be ruled by king charles particularly but i'd still take it over

01:11:00.460 kia starmer i want that's i want dawn that's like asking where you want to be punched

01:11:08.220 yes testicles is normal so i i did i did prepare a long document um basically going through the policies

01:11:15.260 of the right and the left um but um we've talked too much so i'm not going to do that um what else have

01:11:21.260 i got oh yes i i did pick out a number of example policies uh and again we've waffled a bit so i'll

01:11:28.220 i'll keep this short but um uh welfare state so for example welfare state uh that that's now supported

01:11:34.780 by basically all the right wingers yeah i i well as in who's who's looking to get rid of it

01:11:41.660 uh no no wait yeah you're correct you're great i was thinking in terms of rhetoric there are a lot

01:11:46.860 of right wingers who are in favor of welfarism for their own for their own natives none of them

01:11:53.100 turned up on the camera and say we're going to get rid of it i won't get rid of it well yes very

01:11:57.660 good but you're not running so that's true i will be running from the authorities soon after this goes

01:12:02.380 out healthcare right-wing parties support universal healthcare like nhs or medicare again nobody is

01:12:08.060 trying to get rid of the nhs or medicare well again yes you're not you're not running so you don't

01:12:13.340 count uh keynesian economics uh deficit spending government stimulus yeah very bad all the right

01:12:20.380 wing parties support it there were some rothbardians who had a t-shirt and it it had marks and they

01:12:26.300 said at least he wasn't a keynesian um environmentalism again all the right wing parties support it

01:12:35.180 to at least some degree i mean it's a question of degrees on that one because some of them are more

01:12:39.580 oh let's do net zero and one of them is like oh let's put it off a bit and i hate you les laws i

01:12:43.980 absolutely hate them i think also the the the sustainable energy in the car the global warming

01:12:49.340 stuff is very different than you know i i would consider myself an environmentalist but that's more

01:12:54.380 like i don't want you to concrete over the countryside to build new build houses i want there to be more

01:12:59.340 countryside and more trees yes i like that stuff um diversity agenda again uh supported by all the right

01:13:06.460 wing parties uh i put up that amber rose picture earlier to make that point although i will give um

01:13:12.540 homeland some credit here they don't fall into that rhetoric but then i have put them on on the center

01:13:17.340 left so um so that's right um surveillance they're all in favor of surveillance uh minimum wage again

01:13:24.300 uh no right wing party is going after that um industrial subsidies yeah yeah that's all in there and and

01:13:30.700 social liberalism and i'll give you an example of how based even the left wing parties were not that

01:13:36.140 long ago so when we first got the welfare state because we're in a situation here today where the

01:13:43.100 only cohort of native brits that has above replacement level birth rate are those native

01:13:51.260 brits who are unemployed and in social housing they are the only group the native group with above

01:13:57.820 replacement birth rate imagine if you got rid of welfare it would flip to the people actually working

01:14:01.580 wouldn't it well you say that right when when the welfare system was fought first brought in the

01:14:07.260 founders of the welfare system said okay we're going to have to sterilize people who go on it

01:14:13.100 and and that was the left-wing perspective and if that's not good enough for you the united

01:14:17.260 states and sweden actually did that they actually started sterilizing people so in from the 1930s to

01:14:23.660 the 1970s um sweden sterilized tens of thousands of individuals as a condition of its welfare program

01:14:30.220 and the u.s did it um not all states but most states and there was a bell uh versus buckley uh

01:14:36.060 supreme court case um which upheld it with justice oliver wendell writing uh three generations of

01:14:43.020 imbeciles are enough right so that was the left-wing position as as as late as the 70s

01:14:51.100 and we've now got bloody amber rose at the rnc so my argument is um that yes uh you're all lefties

01:14:59.420 we're all lefties all the political parties are lefties the whole bloody world is lefty

01:15:02.940 so just you know admit it and um yes let's hope for a strong man right do i have to read anything

01:15:10.300 uh i would imagine so um yes they've disappeared oh there they are oh blimey

01:15:17.420 oh don't don't don't worry i'm very selective uh then he says can we make the bmp british monarchy

01:15:24.060 party uh that could work um bully ski dan's rating of basic based is living in his head rent free

01:15:33.180 just kidding i broadly agree what do you mean you broadly agree we need to get back and undo the french

01:15:37.900 revolution um bobobad uh says i do recall reading how trotsky's twerkers annihilated the humble kulak so

01:15:46.380 i don't know what you're talking about um that's true as in the you know the kulaks got liquidated

01:15:53.900 under trotsky it's also worth mentioning as well you know that based tier list you do realize that

01:15:58.460 people are going in the tiers based on the first letter of their name stelios was s you were d for

01:16:03.580 dan karl was c for karl bow was b for bow that's all he was doing oh they're sneaky all right there

01:16:12.700 you go um uh uh stigall stone says porto rabo sends his regards yes actually porto rabo would also

01:16:21.260 make a good uh prime minister and um grin anuku says uh die is not dead it evolved go to the we

01:16:28.060 our bridge.com and see i don't know what that is but um um yeah they check oh they changed dei to

01:16:34.860 bridge uh that's why really yeah they've just rebranded it and it's something else now that can

01:16:40.540 go forth and multiply can't it we'll cross that bridge when we can't right let's have a video

01:16:47.500 oh no oh no i don't know what's going on with noise but let's go live to ollie williams with the

01:16:55.580 black you weather report ollie it's raining sideways sounds rough ollie do you have an umbrella had one

01:17:00.940 where is it inside out two miles away is there anything we can do for you bring me some soup

01:17:04.940 what kind chunky all right we'll get on that it has been very stormy recently yes driving back

01:17:12.780 from it's not fun at the moment samson's enjoying that one it's just always stormy thank you

01:17:20.380 watching david starkey being interviewed by two men who are probably much less unintelligent

01:17:24.460 than their interrupting shows it struck me that there is a dark underbelly going unnoticed

01:17:29.020 it does not matter the color of the southport stabber's skin his parents immigration status

01:17:33.420 nor the materials that revealed his diseased state of mind what is not being asked is what

01:17:38.140 radicalized him his mishmash of material was variously based on jihad and slavery things that

01:17:43.500 are part of the woke mind virus being pushed out by the mainstream media and promoted by mainstream

01:17:47.740 experts it would not surprise me at all that the broadcast media and even the prevent program

01:17:52.060 itself are at the root of the stream of radicalizations it's very possible who are

01:17:57.580 those two weirdos that is um andre walker and ash are they are they on side or not i mean i

01:18:07.660 they're on talk tv so they're anti-woke and things like that you know mainstream broadcast

01:18:15.500 okay fair enough all right um oh we we got to go to the written things we do yes sorry i've got to

01:18:23.340 do that haven't i i forgot i'm hosting um so we've got some general comments north fc zuma says ah i see

01:18:28.940 stelios is like kark kent when he has the glasses he's just stelios but when he um removes them he becomes

01:18:35.340 the stelios um who's moving their cursor around because it's blocking my ability to read it i'm

01:18:41.740 not moving oh it's gone uh geordie swordsman says tear the cap off the bottle become master of your

01:18:47.100 own destiny yeah but then the liquids go everywhere um so henry ashman says it's worth um remembering

01:18:55.420 with deep seek that china can take a very creative view to intellectual property couple that with a

01:19:00.060 number of alleged spies i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the heavy lifting for deep seek came from

01:19:04.540 lifting bits from their competitors that is true um that just makes it even cheaper i suppose if

01:19:11.340 you can steal um why develop your own stuff that's what the chinese think uh i don't actually think

01:19:17.260 that um az desert rat says so what y'all are saying is um this deep seek app is the model t of ai

01:19:25.660 technology good to know that was the most american frame of reference possible uh well done i think i

01:19:31.740 like it though yeah um alpha of the beta says if the west didn't exist for china to parasitize deep

01:19:37.500 seek and other technological innovations from china would not exist imagine how cheap your technology

01:19:44.060 would be if you spent zero dollars on r d and exclusively focused on industrial espionage to

01:19:50.220 power innovation yeah but it does force western companies to be more efficient as well and it's

01:19:54.940 actually a good good little dynamic because i i don't really agree with intellectual property laws

01:20:00.060 personally i think that they're they're just a monopoly on ideas um it's similar to how a

01:20:05.900 pharmaceutical company can uh you know patent a specific chemical compound some of them can be

01:20:13.100 produced naturally anyway and it's like you can't own chemistry yeah but people should subscribe to the

01:20:20.060 lotus eaters yes that's true yeah you should do that but that's because you want to not because you are

01:20:25.340 forced to by law yes uh ross diggle says don't worry when we're in charge everyone will be um i don't

01:20:33.100 want us to become reliant on ai we've already seen that they can be captured whether through programming

01:20:37.740 or self-learning do we really want something that the vast majority believe is telling the truth when it

01:20:42.460 isn't necessarily i think that people um take what ai says with a pinch of salt i think when it becomes

01:20:49.100 obviously far far better than it is now uh it might be far more convincing but at the moment

01:20:56.460 it says blatantly false things and sometimes gives a dodgy angle it's it still sounds like a regular human

01:21:02.460 being and so ai is left-wing yes almost certainly and then uh i'll read two more why not

01:21:11.980 annie moss says what i don't understand is why everyone believes the story that it was made without

01:21:16.540 nvidia advanced chips and less expensive we are talking about china this is probably based on code

01:21:21.900 copied from someone else and we'll later find out it's just the team you version of open source

01:21:26.860 libraries like hugging face i think you're right yeah actually one interesting thing i did read is

01:21:31.980 somebody who has experience working with indian h1 b1 whatever it is visa and he says it's a very

01:21:38.300 common practice is when you get these guys in is they basically copy all your code and then just

01:21:42.220 sell it on their next project and he he's seen this that he he's seen people these these guys

01:21:48.620 basically implant code and it's still got like the boeing naming conventions and stuff in written in

01:21:54.540 the code so they obviously just like steal it from one drop to the other so when when all mice

01:21:59.740 have the ability to do copy and paste it makes it a lot easier for them reminds me of all of those

01:22:06.140 4chan green texts talking about how they basically just used ai or um coding to automate their job

01:22:12.460 and they just sit around doing nothing same thing a guy from hungary says lotus eaters ai will be a

01:22:18.860 24 hour news channel of lads hour always inebriated two million pounds for the grog budget that's a good

01:22:25.100 idea you don't need to get ai drunk it just needs to simulate being drunk so you don't actually have

01:22:29.260 to spend anything and then finally um fuzzy toaster says i can remember tay lobotomized for being two

01:22:35.420 based rip tay f's in the chat for tay uh she was the best um right angel brain says this is taking

01:22:44.140 such a toll on us almost every week now i get my heart broken reading about children getting killed

01:22:49.660 this never happened for the first 20 years of my life in the 80s and 90s not like this remember the

01:22:55.820 dunblane massacre and how that tore our nation it's happening over and over again now this total hell

01:23:02.140 that was in scotland in 1906 wasn't it down blane massacre yes that's right yeah when you say it

01:23:09.100 was 1986 that sounds about right 1996 1996 oh okay yeah 1996 yeah that's right so i mean the point is

01:23:15.100 there's even um well he's not quite british scottish but he even even sort of people of the british isles

01:23:22.380 do very occasionally go after children but you know that was 30 years ago whereas you cannot go 30 days

01:23:28.700 at the moment without one of the invaders doing it but clearly there was a many orders of magnitude

01:23:36.860 it's rare enough amongst the native population that we're still referencing something that happened

01:23:42.300 a very long time ago yep so that's worth mentioning there is one more comment i would like to read

01:23:47.180 because i think it's amusing basic based ape says a few years ago i wrote a script that rips the

01:23:52.060 transcripts from all your youtube videos to use for monkey memeing purposes i also train my own

01:23:57.260 models from time to time for other retarded purposes i wonder what would happen if i put

01:24:02.460 all of the lotus eaters transcripts into the ai machine i dread to think do it and find out

01:24:07.900 lotus eaters what was it called like a chimera of all of our opinions in one like a cronenbergian

01:24:16.220 monster of baseness um i would be interested to see how that actually uh pans out baron von warhawk

01:24:23.900 writes if there are sympathies truly with their family with the families of the victims then they

01:24:27.900 would start mass deportations to make sure this doesn't happen again but they won't because they

01:24:32.780 would rather let you die than admit they were wrong those who seem to care more about narratives and

01:24:39.180 about people yeah seem to fit the category the description warlord wu wu tai it seems that islamist

01:24:47.020 terror attacks are now by default deliberately seeking to kill very young children rather than just

01:24:53.100 anyone um hr slave i have a two-year-old and the fact that i have to worry about her being murdered by

01:25:01.180 some savage from a far-off land whenever she leaves the house seconds me we shouldn't have to live like

01:25:06.460 this millions should not last leave a small l libertarian women only carriage translates to

01:25:14.700 target rich environment in arabic michael brooks tolerance is not a virtue it's a vice it means

01:25:21.980 that you let bad things happen or go unchallenged when they call you intolerant the correct answer is

01:25:27.580 yes i don't want negative things to happen or be present and andrew narog i agree that these murderous

01:25:33.900 and raping criminals need to be deported deported right back to hell the rest of the illegal migrants

01:25:41.100 should be deported by back to their earthly countries of origins and then from my segment um dlv says dan

01:25:49.820 tell the quiche story i'm not sure i can tell the quiche story what's that i don't know we've got time

01:25:55.740 we've got five minutes i might be a very quickly tell the quiche the quiche story um so so i don't know

01:26:01.420 why he brings it up here but that was basically when i was a little sort of two or three year old

01:26:06.300 myself i quite like quiche yeah except being two or three i couldn't say quiche so whenever we went to

01:26:13.820 a cafe or something um when we asked what we want my dad would prompt me to to tell the waitress myself

01:26:20.540 and what i would end up telling was that i want a quickie and this abused my father so he never

01:26:26.220 corrected me yeah um that that is the key story so i don't know good story that is we've also got

01:26:32.220 another rumble chat from sigil stone saying speaking of ai trumped dot ai generates videos

01:26:37.740 of trump saying whatever you put in the text box that is a good bit of uh knowledge there okay i might

01:26:43.660 be using that after finish this podcast um daniel clement says dan is compensating hard for the basic

01:26:51.100 based allegation no i've always been like this he was just wrong or he's doing it in a sly way as you

01:26:57.660 as you point out um north fc i'm going with dan on this one benchmark starting points for absolute

01:27:03.580 everything is uh far left so the right wing parties are barely centrist yes i am correct uh as are you there

01:27:10.140 sir um viewers dan says i disagree with dan as a fellow dan myself i i'd like to know what a true

01:27:17.260 right wing party would look like well i've told you dawn or or leman russ um north fc says wait dan

01:27:23.660 knows 40k in this depth well yes i mean because if you're at the lotus eaters you know you've got

01:27:28.860 you've got a bond with your primark haven't you and you saw it's a bit like anger on the butcher's

01:27:32.460 nails the 12th legion had to have those implanted but you know here we can either paint the models

01:27:36.860 or learn the law and i chose the law how many hearts do you have how many hearts oh uh well

01:27:42.300 i've i've just got the one but um you know we all aspire to the space marines have the starties too

01:27:47.260 don't we yes um uh michael brooks uh oh no actually no andrew narog well they both they both andrew

01:27:55.900 narog and michael brooks just say dan is right uh but then they go on to elaborate andrew elaborates with

01:28:01.420 speaking in broad strokes ever since the end of world war one with the abolition of most of europe's

01:28:05.900 uh monarchies and significant cuts to the powers of those remain we lived in a world of a liberal

01:28:10.780 homogeny yes that is true uh michael brooks also says dan is right um although it's not really left

01:28:17.260 and right it's collective versus individualist now i know i used to think that but you do you do you

01:28:24.140 do want a certain amount of collectivism we just didn't recognize it as collectivism because

01:28:28.540 collectivism became focused around the communist conception of it but i do want the collectivism which

01:28:34.780 is the spirit of britain um and the community and and all of that stuff that is a form of

01:28:41.100 collectivism which was which became perverted in the lexicon to mean yeah that that was a main issue

01:28:46.540 with uh with uh cold war propaganda it was just so simplistic and yes just tailored to say it's only

01:28:54.220 individualism versus collectivism that's the final thing yes and anything there's very one

01:28:59.100 non-dimensional yeah very but i i want the sort of collectivism where we all understand that you

01:29:03.740 know you take your turns being served at the bar yeah you queue when you go to the post office that

01:29:08.220 that's sort of yes i i like the psychological definitions of uh individualism and collectivism

01:29:14.620 because if you operate on the one that uh is in use there you could argue that robinson crusoe stuck

01:29:21.260 on his desert island is the ultimate individualist whereas that doesn't make any sense it's not a useful

01:29:26.300 definition of it whereas if you say individualism is like your your disposition that's enforced by

01:29:31.900 your culture then it makes sense to say like the chinese and japanese are collectivist because it's

01:29:37.740 a cultural thing it's sort of inculcated in them even though they've got very different political

01:29:42.060 systems and you know germanic types northern europeans are some of the most individualistic

01:29:48.380 because it's it's sort of in our um our so ingrained in our culture it's almost in our dna

01:29:54.300 and it could well be actually yes but within within a remit of a shared set of assumptions

01:29:59.020 the only the the only way to it makes sense to say that you care about individual rights

01:30:05.100 it's only in a social context because yes that's only where they can be violated yes within as oh yes

01:30:10.540 exactly um roman observer says i've come to the personal conclusion we can no longer use a single

01:30:16.460 dimensional axis to describe policies um yeah i i do agree with you except when i do it i do a

01:30:23.660 cesspit of degeneracy versus truth and light and and that does actually work an awful lot better

01:30:27.980 we we should use that um going forward um have we got time for any more yeah let's let's do angel

01:30:34.620 brain says i think it's not so much that people want to hammer fist fisted leader more that uh parliament

01:30:40.060 has been so delighted by diluted by bel air that think people think it's uh trying to cut through a

01:30:44.940 tree with a sword made of a marshmallow very true uh yes i think that's all we have time for

01:30:50.380 but uh i've really enjoyed this one and yes thank you very much for watching and make sure to tune in

01:30:57.660 again tomorrow thank you very much and goodbye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - January 28, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1088

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