The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1096
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Summary
The Lotus Eaters are joined by Stelios and Rafe Manku to talk about the growing support for nuclear power in the polls, and whether or not Britain is ready to get nuclear power back on the agenda. Plus, the difference between governments that want to get rid of nuclear power and those that don't.
Transcript
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Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Friday, the 7th of February, 2025.
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It's Friday, so the best day of the week. I'm joined by Stelios and Rafe Manku.
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Rafe Hadel Manku. I'm really sorry. I'm terrible with names. I can barely speak English.
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Anyway, today we're going to be talking about how reform are looking inevitable
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and the difference between governments that will do something and won't do something
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and how finally Britain might actually start taking nuclear power seriously.
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But honestly, I'm just so frustrated by the radical activism that surrounds energy production
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that it's just one of those things that finally we're going to get the Gordian knot cut.
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look, Nigel Farage may well end up as Prime Minister of this country.
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Whether you like him or loathe him, it looks like there is a lot of energy behind him
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and he is playing a wise game, actually, in what he's doing,
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And the more time passes, the more it looks like the prediction in this video...
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I try not to make predictions, but I can't help it sometimes.
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The prediction in this video is going to come to pass
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because only a few weeks ago, the end of January,
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Labour were barely in the lead in various polls in the UK.
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Coming ahead in polls that are not polls done by right-wing friendly pollsters.
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Stats for Lefties has posted a YouGov poll here.
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YouGov being famously slanted in One Direction because it's an online poller.
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It happens to get a lot of left-wing people signing up for it.
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But even in that, reform are ahead of the Labour Party
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and significantly ahead of the Conservative Party.
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So this, again, was about the beginning of this week, actually.
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And so that's going to result in a hung parliament.
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Labour has a stonking majority of 440-odd seats.
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They have two-thirds of the seats in parliament,
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despite only having one-third of the vote share, 33% they've got.
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no government has been elected with the majority of the votes.
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You only need to have around a third under first-past-the-post.
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I mean, the amount by which support for reform has increased in just a few months,
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well over 35% or so by the time we get to the next election.
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60% of this country still votes for left-wing parties.
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The only reason we've had a number of Conservative governments
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is because there's only been one party on the right.
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The left-wing votes split between SNP, Lib Dem, Greens, Labour, Plaid Cymru and so forth.
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And we always thought we couldn't have two parties on the right
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because you would never have a Conservative government
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because reform is actually taking votes not just from the Tories,
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three million people who didn't vote at all in 2024 have come over.
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It also puts a lie to those wet Tories who said,
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oh, no, no, during the Prime Ministerial campaign,
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oh, we need to, you know, we forget about reform,
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we need to lean more to the Lib Dems and get those votes.
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Well, we know only 180,000 people who left the Tory party
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It is actually reform that's now setting the agenda.
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and giving us at least one policy on immigration.
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You know, Rupert Lowe I spoke with in November,
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Oh, I just wanted to say that a lot of Labour defenders and advocates,
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they forget that the Labour vote was a vote of,
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It wasn't a vote for love for Starmer's agenda.
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Well, you know, I'm not even persuaded by that, to be honest.
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but I don't think that Conservative voters tend to go over to Labour.
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And we can see this through the paucity of votes
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I mean, out of all of the voters who could have voted,
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we saw that 40% of the entire potential voter base
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and cut the legs out from underneath the Conservative Party,
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puts Labour, with their third of the vote share
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And the Conservatives are very clearly losing that.
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possibly the biggest betrayal of the British electorate
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given what Tony Blair ushered into this country.
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for years when we discussed the plight of mass immigration,
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as being the most dangerous Prime Minister we've ever had.
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Well, I'm sorry, what he did pales in comparison
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And there can be no greater crime, I would think,
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remember Peter Mandelson sent out search parties
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these are essentially becoming one-party states, right?
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because the Tories were beholden to big business
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and negate the need for that costly investment,
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for the Reform Party and the Conservative Party,
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not parties you would normally have associated with them.
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And I think a lot of people's love of Donald Trump
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but just because they don't see themselves in her.
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And I think that is their sort of strategy here
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on the native population it's mostly composed of
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unelected bureaucrats who are essentially saying
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in Germany in Sweden and elsewhere and of course
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it's being covered up because the the our elites
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of the Atlantic as well well what's interesting
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the scope and the compass of left-wing activism
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parliament at this point well yeah I would love
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with you I don't I don't think it's Charles but
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is there a saying we'll cross the bridge when we get
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there yes just okay we're saying we could get to
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can see here from only a couple of days ago from
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wind turbines and we're gonna have solar energy
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it's like oh are we oh well it's re-industrializing
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charge of our energy uh needs in the future here's
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their path their plan green pills oh my god he's
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they say green energy and they say oh we need uh
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they're saying is we want communism right that's
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what they're asking for is what they're saying is
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help our society grow and flourish we are going
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to marginalize and put in the that's evil camp and
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we're going to take everything that is actually
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force it on you and try and get you to accept a
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government's central role in steering the creation
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of this new energy system setting expectations for
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the 2030 capacities of key technologies at national
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why 27 to 29 gigawatts of onshore wind oh brilliant
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you are I'm going to go through this exactly the
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and so they're doing this to significantly reduce our fossil
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fuel dependency because Ed Miliband is going to save
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the world from total destruction in a cataclysmic
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firestorm of global warming it's Ed Miliband he's going
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to be the guy so you're not the guy Ed you're a moron
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right and so they're going to spend 40 billion on
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average per year between 2025 and 2030 because we're
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just so flush for cash at the moment you see money
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falling out of our pockets and so why not just say oh
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there's a 20 billion black hole yes and that's why
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we're going to spend 40 billion on this alone a year
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for the next five years and so I mean why would we even glance
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at solar power why would we this is the number of annual
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sunshine hours a year obviously annual because this is
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that Britain gets I can't open notes that Russia gets more
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sunshine hours than we do right it is sunnier in Russia than
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it is in England why would you ever mention solar power in
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this country and the answer is of course because you're
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ideologically captured right because someone in California
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as you can see lots of sunshine hours in California
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someone in California was like hey it's going to be a very
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progressive thing to have solar power and that will be very good
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for the environment and it will be progressive and friendly and
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and blah blah blah blah and so Ed Miliband who's obviously been
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programmed by Twitter has gone yeah good point we'll do the
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same not thinking about how ideologies are any relevant in the time and
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places where they emerge because they are actually concretely attached to
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the circumstances the physical circumstances of the people who come
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up with them and so if you're in Britain and someone says solar panel
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power you know you are speaking to a retard to someone who has no brains
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and doesn't know what they're talking about because I mean it's not it's
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not even close it's just not even close this is from the American
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energy departments uh thing and they've uh they've just got a nice
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little graph here so what's the most productive form of energy oh it turns
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out that it's nuclear by a mile it's five four times more productive than
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solar it's three times more productive than wind because believe it or not at
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some points the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow but at all
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times the nuclear turbine is constantly producing energy and producing
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steam to run a turbine it's all heated water okay everything all energy
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production is just heated water um but the the point being it's just not
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there's no discussion to be had it's completely unscientific to say
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oh we need solar and wind no you're an ideologue you are someone who has been
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programmed via twitter with a californian ideology that is
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fundamentally anti-human because the real reason they don't go for nuclear and
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is that nuclear power would mean that the concerns about radical restructuring of
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our society will go away there's no revolution in nuclear power how can they
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tear down capitalism with nuclear power nuclear power is going to keep
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capitalism going until the sun burns out i think that's really their problem any
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thoughts at this junction before i continue ranting and raving i think
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nuclear power is the way that's no no contest and the the only danger is that
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someone will get uh be a di higher inside it that's the only issue i have with
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nuclear power and that's entirely our own fault if that happens yeah it's not
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exactly that it hasn't happened widely i mean your point about capitalism
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interesting because of course france is arguably more left-wing than we are
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though and they've managed to actually ensure that they that they are the most
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independent energy independent nation in in europe and you know i think there are
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56 nuclear reactors in france there are only nine in great britain and we are and
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just as we invented the railways we are home to the world's first nuclear uh power
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station or cardwell hall was it or whatever it was called and it just shows you how
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we've lost that ambition we've lost all of that i often used to say you know when
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did the greek stop being greek and now we can say when did the british stop being
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british that great industrious nation and you just have to look at the short termism here
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also because it was what it was over a decade ago that nick clegg famously said
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we're not going to build any nuclear power plants it'll take 10 years take 10 years well that would
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have avoided the entire energy spike that we've seen and that just goes to show you the thinking
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that actually is in the minds of our leaders the irony the again i intended to be here 10 years
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later i was here 10 years later nick you know and you know what and even if it wasn't for me even
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if i somehow died i'd like my children and future generations to have it too like again it it's it's
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not even a conversation that needs to be had the fact that we have ever entertained the solar and
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wind lobbies is just preposterous and so the the only thing they have to fall back on is well it
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sounds scary well the craziest one of all was angela merkel you'll remember in 2016 after the
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fukushima tsunami she said well because of the tsunami we're going to close on everything that
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remains in germany which is well known for its plague of tsunamis that descend on it every summer
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constant constant problem but then they had to go back to coal power plants which would become
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dependent on russia which both worked out just perfectly both from an environmental perspective
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if you're really concerned about the global warming of the earth well you've gone back to your coal power
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plants and you've made yourself dependent on russia who now you you allowed to essentially cripple you
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when they invaded ukraine so brilliant and do you remember uh trump getting laughed at as well
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they they laughed in his face when he said why are you making yourselves energy dependent on russia
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stupid trump yeah who gets the last laugh anyway so let's talk about safety then because the last
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and most honestly the weakest argument that they come to is well it's it's not safe it's not safe
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no actually it is it is the the nearly the most safe so every uh every death from accidents and
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pollution that have come from say coal is 24 deaths per 100 150 000 people with nuclear energy it's 0.03
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deaths and with solar it's 0.02 deaths so not exactly dangerous and as you can see nuclear energy
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produces less greenhouse gas emissions so look there's just no argument anyone who mentions solar
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or wind just wrong on everything they've got no argument and they're trying to fear monger you
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and there's just no reason not to do it how does one die from solar power is that one of the panels
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hits you on the head manufacturing i assume or something like that yeah um but again it's it's one of
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those persistent things that essentially nuclear power deniers have been saying and so the the question is
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well do we have a good example of a country that actually decided to take up the nuclear baton
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as rafe has already foreshadowed yes it's france france is doing amazingly with nuclear power and
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it's genuinely and i'm kind of annoyed they're mogging us on this right they get to lord it over
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us and say no you stupid anglos are doing the stupid german thing and we the the the brilliant and
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incredibly lazy french get to indulge our laziness because of our cheap energy generation no i'm pro
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nuclear for xenophobic reasons okay we need to get one over the french like france gets 70 percent of
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its energy from nuclear energy right because they've had this long-standing thing and in 2014 when the
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sort of uh green wave was coming france got it too and they planned to reduce it to only 50 percent
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and that got scrapped because everyone's okay that's obviously stupid why are we doing that
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and that worked out really really well for them and so they are a net exporter of electricity at this
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point and that they export their energy they make three billion euros a year exporting their energy
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because their energy costs are so abundant and their energy is so their energy costs so low that
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they can sell it to the germans who are so stupid and block-headed about this subject they have
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arrived at the point where they're now dependent on the french rather than the russians like what are
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you doing what are you doing no one needs to be energy dependent on anyone actually at this point
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and whilst france was building some of its new uh power stations remember gordon brown was
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closing down our gas storage facilities as well making our energy security even worse
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it's pure left-wing ideology that is against nuclear power right from a from a normal person's
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perspective from a scientific perspective it is only nuclear that is the only game in town right
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and if you think where are we going to get the uranium australia actually australia has
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i think some of the second or third largest reserves of uranium so and canada does as well
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there's massive reserves so we don't need to rely on russia for this we're completely dependent on
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other anglosphere countries nations we can be guaranteed that are going to have a safe and
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prosperous and welcoming relationship with us we will enrich them they will enrich us we all prosper
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foreign powers who hate us fail and everyone wins like literally everyone wins there's no argument
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against this i'm sick of hearing and so as you said britain only has nine nuclear power stations
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france has yeah 56 and they're building a bunch more or they were building six more just because why
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not if they're making you money why not you know again like it's actually a growth industry for the
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french and they've got the most advanced technology these are that and what this does is produce only
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15 of our nuclear of our energy production which is 6.5 gigawatts so for some reason we're going to
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spend 40 billion a year producing ineffective inefficient like unreliable solar and wind or
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we could spend only and in fact spoiler alert to build new power plants would cost between two and
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three billion so we could literally build 20 new nuclear power plants a year the money they're going
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to spend it's important to note that the new the new small nuclear reactors are much less expensive
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much larger indeed uh so they're much easier to create and build yep the the um excuse me the
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rolls-royce modular nuclear reactors again innovation taking place in britain for some reason this wasn't
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all over the news and the governments weren't all banging the drum on this uh yeah each one costs
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between two to three billion to make i'm going to spend 40 billion a year on it anyway why not spend
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40 billion a year on this the only uh objection i have is the shape of the building that they're
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proposing uh gothic please let's have it in gothic style um but yeah this is a completely feasible
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thing to do there's absolutely no reason to do it uh not to do it and finally absolutely finally
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keir starmer has been forced essentially to come out and go yeah look things in britain are so bad
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even the labor government are like yeah we're gonna we're gonna start building some nuclear
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nuclear energy uh we hate to do it because that means that the revolution isn't coming
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obviously keir starmer lifelong leftist doesn't want this to happen but he has to make it happen
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one thing that i find quite interesting as well this this became a bit mimetic so i don't know
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whether you can see here these two cans represent all of the waste that all of the nuclear reactors
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in britain have ever produced so not much really that's amazing and a lot of people like most of
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the waste standing either side of the can yes as opposed to those two uh and a lot of people like
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hmm do i drink the forbidden can um probably not it will literally rot your jaw off um but yeah so
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anyway uh yeah oddly tempted to know what it tastes like can't can't be good can't be good but so
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anyway yeah so as we found out recently uh keir starmer has actually finally capitulated on this
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he's like yeah okay we'll we'll build nuclear if people have to live in britain then we will do it
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um basically they're going to remove regulations and any uh objections that people have legally
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and again it's more reason to loathe the tories because they were in power for 14 years they had
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you know tories are notoriously nimbyist always thinking about it we can't have any power stations here or
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there we've got the world's most expensive electricity or europe's expensive electricity
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clear plan here we're giving 18 billion to the chagos islands how many of these smrs could we build
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without you know uh well literally nine of them we actually have the numbers we could and i forgot to
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bring up for this but um in in 2022 i think it was the tories commissioned a study to find out well
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how many would we have to build and it turns out we would have to build six full-size nuclear reactors
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to power every home in the country right and that would cost about 45 billion something like that
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is that okay but that that would be worth it like if they were like okay no we're going to build just
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you know one in each region of the country then essentially i mean you could literally you could
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have you could run over labor saying look these are going to be government owned so they'll be
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taxpayer funded and that means you'll never pay an energy bill again in your life right imagine the
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god that would be incredible could have done it they could have done anything and it's left to
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essentially being forced into this position because of how bad things are getting in this
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country to say okay yeah look we're gonna have to go nuclear because loony bloody ed's plan on solar
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and wind that's not going to last so we're gonna have to do something else otherwise we're all going
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to go hungry and cold um so yeah basically finally finally some positive news in britain right
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actually we might not be impoverished just paying for the heating bill during the winter
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my god how long does it take to build one of these uh not that long either actually um i don't think i
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have it to hand um but not that long so it could be within a couple of years and we actually see
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dividends being paid on this um who knows god only knows let's please look because these aren't going
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to be the full-size ones that the conservatives when they were like oh it'll take 10 years
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yeah the rolls royce's modular nuclear ones are basically i think i can't remember off the top of my head
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but it's not 10 years so it could be within a few years we actually get some bonuses and benefits and
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something good happens in britain for once even under a labor government
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matt says uh gen 4 nuclear plants can run on nuclear waste of old plants and take half-life from
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centuries to decades yeah one one thing i didn't point out is that um nearly a fifth of france's
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nuclear energy is from recycled nuclear waste actually so and that's a process that's getting better and
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better and better as the iterations of the technology continue so again it's just there's no
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downside to this uh weirdly they're not going to be run by soviet bureaucrats probably um sigil stone
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says uh it's been openly admitted multiple times by the left themselves they hate nuclear because it
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will provide cheap clean energy and won't bring about the global communist revolution yeah that's
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exactly what it is um do we have video comments today
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right okay uh charles says oh good rafe he's a jolly fellow and a bmx champ not many people know
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that you're a bmx champ are you apparently so what is that oh uh the bmx is uh bikes and
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you know the dirt bikes my last time on a bicycle was when i was 16 years old so perhaps not
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uh charles i don't appreciate that fake news thank you very much about our guest
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uh nick taylor says reform looked like containment also unfortunately yes well this is unfortunately one
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of the downsides to reform is that it is entirely possible uh what people call containment which
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is essentially uh keeping the blairite project on its rails what do you think about that well
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maybe yeah better than the tories and labor though isn't it uh henry says uh the vote uh labor vote
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was a vote of apathy uh the right wing disappeared or flipped reform and the centrist tory wets like
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roy stewart started to tilt lib dem well no we don't know they didn't vote green uh lib have you seen
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rory stewart making a public prat of himself recently recently every single time he tweets yeah yeah
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getting demolished by jd vance and then giving a 110 iq response to this
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i don't know why anyone listens to the guys and it's not just calling you know kamala harris the
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winner you remember during when he was running to become prime minister he was very confident he was
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very confident she was going to win but it's not just that when he was running to become prime
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minister he's he said famously the eu will never reopen the withdrawal agreement three weeks later the
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eu opened the withdrawal agreement for boris you know has he ever made a prediction that did come
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true he's going to be like the uh the guy who predicts the stock markets that now people just run
01:08:45.640
an anti-him tracker uh the anti-kramer tracker or something you know it just goes to show you what
01:08:51.040
an euteronian education can do for self-confidence you know yeah yeah yeah yeah it's it certainly
01:08:56.180
it certainly does do that george says the government is the most powerful institution in most countries
01:09:01.260
they can do whatever they want because they have a monopoly of violence what governments are lacking is
01:09:05.240
will and care for the citizens uh yes but on the plus side the power of selection is still in our
01:09:12.380
hands so we don't have to choose labor or the conservatives we could i mean like you can say
01:09:17.640
a lot of things about nigel farage but one thing that i think is to his credit is that he obviously
01:09:21.360
doesn't hate britain right he's obviously not a hater of britain obviously likes the mythology of
01:09:26.480
britain and loves the country so as wet as he might end up being he's at least not hostile
01:09:32.840
which is a step up but you say we have the right of selection but the fact is you know only 20 percent
01:09:39.620
of the nation actually has for example a twitter account an x account and most of those don't
01:09:44.220
actually look at politics most people still consume the legacy media and until we smash that
01:09:49.320
people actually will continue to believe that he's far right and that there are no underlying causes
01:09:54.900
behind the rise of reform immigration or whatever it is we need to sort of break through that if we're
01:09:59.000
going to have any hope of really having a power to select the next government that is true that is
01:10:03.700
true so basically make sure that all of your friends and family use alternative media send them this
01:10:07.340
podcast uh peter says uh it's more likely that germany keir starmer will attempt to simply ban the
01:10:14.020
reform party now they're not they're not going to do that um the the precedent would be too outrageous
01:10:20.400
nigel farage is too much of a mainstream figure everyone knows who he is uh and i mean banning like
01:10:26.140
even quite radical parties is a bit contentious i don't really like the idea of the current ruling party
01:10:31.480
being able to tell me that that party's out of bounds even if that party is a nutty party i've never
01:10:37.020
vote for uh i don't i don't like the option not impossible to see some reform mps getting
01:10:42.380
non-crime hate incidents though i imagine a lot of pressure being put on them by on the police by
01:10:47.820
the labor government if they're getting worried you know yeah i don't doubt the rupert lowe's got a
01:10:52.100
list of non-crime hate incidents on his record um but that's why he's my favorite reform mp uh russian
01:10:58.420
says uh fantastic first segment i'll do my best to uh up the network of reform folks i'm friends with
01:11:03.660
so it reaches the right people well thank you very much uh henry says uh for me the tory party
01:11:07.880
has a very upper middle class attitude to issues whereas reform strikes me as more every man lower
01:11:13.000
to working middle class version of the world i wonder if that's why the southwest hasn't gone for
01:11:17.280
reform because it's seen as grubby somehow tories don't live in rough communities full of knife
01:11:21.640
crime nor do they get letters from the children's schools saying don't travel alone everything like
01:11:25.960
that is an abstract issue to the tory mp whereas it's daily life for a reform voter yeah there's
01:11:30.400
definitely um i don't want to say stigma because it's not quite the right um well that there's an
01:11:38.760
idea that the the platforms that appeal to reform voters are low status issues and there's a huge
01:11:46.240
amount of snobbery there uh but of course the reality is actually if you look at the reform leader i mean
01:11:51.440
it's an accurate view to make about the reform voters maybe but if you look at the reform leadership
01:11:57.060
they all look like old tories right and they're all they're all millionaire businessmen you know
01:12:01.940
alan bastard's from the new statesman if you remember that old comedy with rick mail uh and i think
01:12:06.560
actually that's part of a problem actually for a lot of people can't relate to the leadership of
01:12:10.420
their own party um even ben habib who was much more in tune with the voters he understood their cause
01:12:15.720
also another pride public school educated millionaire but the this this is the um the interesting thing
01:12:22.100
about the the southwestern the lib dems in the southwest because the southwest isn't anti-capitalist
01:12:27.400
as it were you know i can understand why in the north you would have this kind of sneaking suspicion
01:12:32.680
about the southern capitalist and understandably so but in the southwest we're not like that um and
01:12:38.560
in fact i think that that could be leveraged if it can be done in a genteel enough way um we are
01:12:44.800
quite snobby unfortunately and sensitive um very disappointing frankly uh i'm not going to read
01:12:52.800
out that name but uh it's entirely possible that labor the lib dems the greens and the smp form a
01:12:57.160
coalition together they're already very ideologically close the threat of a reform government could be
01:13:01.360
enough to get them together well i mean that is a potential danger on the horizon but i actually
01:13:07.540
think the zia yusuf is right i think they're going to form a majority i think they could get 350 400
01:13:12.260
seats it's really not beyond the realms possibility and they're they again we're only six months into
01:13:18.480
the labor government i mean imagine when two years in of kia starmer screwing the country relentlessly
01:13:24.020
every goddamn day and then coming out every time there's a terror attack essentially saying shut up
01:13:28.700
far right like sorry kia we all hate you already um good to see rafe back in swindon was nice to see
01:13:36.100
you at the united kingdom rally in the sweltering heat last year cheers for walking the crowd after it was a
01:13:41.000
pleasure it was great i didn't realize you were there yes no no i was that that was the day that
01:13:45.580
tommy robinson played his videos of the crowd you were on stage that day but i walked around i thought
01:13:51.020
it was important you know to engage with people there well one thing that uh david starkey made
01:13:55.780
a great observation about it was like um when when it's mostly men it's the football lads out doing
01:14:02.140
something trivial it's not very important but when their wives come out with them then you can tell
01:14:06.840
there's a real issue brewing and that was one of the things that really struck me is
01:14:11.320
the crowd was about half women it was very very gender balanced and so it was like okay
01:14:17.100
i think starkey's dictum there is correct there's a real problem that these people are responding to
01:14:21.880
which is why i take part in them you know i i agree it is a real problem everything's a real problem
01:14:27.000
um hector says love having rafe on the show his levity and wit is always welcome
01:14:31.560
thank you uh fuzzy toaster says the political class is unfit for purpose they need to learn to code
01:14:37.180
warlord wu tutai says rafe's point about japan unfortunately they have recently caved on
01:14:41.500
immigration and started to allow it it's only a matter of time until the first truck of peace
01:14:45.600
now i often hear this and also people in poland tell me well we're also going the same way
01:14:49.860
i mean this is all about scale yes they do have more immigration but we're talking about a very
01:14:54.800
different uh factor compared to what we've experienced in the west i mean as i said to you for example just
01:14:59.440
looking at the polish thing by 2050 20 percent of this country will be muslim 30 percent of sweden
01:15:04.880
in poland's will be 0.2 percent well the the the concern though is that the foot's in the door now
01:15:11.820
right and so a left-wing politician will say look we already do this i'm just going to double it and
01:15:16.500
double it japan is so homogenous they've got such a strong sense of their own culture and identity and
01:15:20.880
as i say once ai and robotics the main thing in japan as in here is who's going to look after our
01:15:26.060
elderly health care social care increasingly now that can be done by robots and automation
01:15:31.060
and with ai so i think that the uh you know it's a 20 30 year project to change a nation demographically
01:15:37.620
by that point i think the solutions will be there i do hope so but again like everything you're saying
01:15:42.720
could have been said about britain 50 years ago yeah but japan has a very different notion of self
01:15:47.740
and it is it is based it's it's a it's a racial concept of the nation well fingers crossed that
01:15:53.880
they they don't go down the road that we've gone down uh kevin says kemi is the tory's version of
01:15:58.920
kamala if they seriously wanted to win they'd choose someone who'd ruffle the feathers amongst the old
01:16:02.840
tory sweats uh to be honest with you i thought they should have gone for gemrick um obviously uh but
01:16:08.300
mostly gemrick the thing is though gemrick isn't charismatic and one one one thing that um
01:16:17.060
you realize after covering politics for long enough it's really just about likability
01:16:21.800
kemi is not likable if she was a very charming person who people just liked being around it
01:16:28.020
wouldn't matter that she was african that wouldn't matter at all and i suppose you could say that
01:16:32.060
actually maybe it's better to have kemi there because it just shortens the period of pain before
01:16:35.940
we only have one right-wing party yes if gemrick was there maybe we've probably prolonged for a
01:16:39.960
decade or so this might hasten the tory's death yeah no absolutely i mean gemrick went quite far
01:16:45.840
out of bounds in some ways as well saying we need to talk about english identity and things like that
01:16:49.980
i mean these are genuine things that need to be spoken about absolutely i think it's a yeah i mean
01:16:53.820
it's a pity he didn't say it years ago but i'm always inclined to believe people can have
01:16:57.820
damascene conversion some people think it's an act but i think it's genuine on his part
01:17:01.340
yeah i agree i think it was genuine as well um but i totally agree with you uh i'd rather he lost
01:17:07.600
and the tories just die off uh jimbo says the bbc are currently running a puff piece about how scared
01:17:13.120
sweden swedish immigrants are in light of that horrific shooting ah yes the real victims of
01:17:18.240
immigrant violence maybe they should stop shooting each other then the immigrants yes uh next time
01:17:22.980
there's an islamic atrocity i'm sure they'll be platforming the natives expressing concern about
01:17:26.320
muslims decimating europe uh well they could have done that for years now couldn't they
01:17:30.340
lord nerevar says i work in a libtardy environment and even my colleagues admit that trump is seriously
01:17:36.600
impressive in the way he conducts his government they hate his guts but they know what he is yeah
01:17:41.840
just as with thatcher you know admire her without loving her yeah you have to respect this
01:17:47.940
yeah and uh this was the main otherwise yeah you're just a tiktok activist yeah but this this is the
01:17:54.580
main concern that people had during his first tenure we didn't do anything okay well he's doing
01:17:58.260
it all now so uh kevin says uh how to improve the british police all dei hires hand in their hats
01:18:04.540
and batons and clear off you kevin you're showing your age there you think they've got hats and
01:18:09.760
batons they don't have high vis vests my friend uh no degree required to join the police and gain
01:18:15.940
promotion only male officers over six foot female officers over five for eight allowed such a wet um
01:18:22.180
all officers must pass the rigs at rigorous physical and medical examination application
01:18:26.220
and annually thereafter offer service in the police as an option for ex-military personnel
01:18:30.040
as a form of reserve service i mean that would definitely go a long way to to improving the
01:18:34.000
situation yeah but there should no women in uh frontline roles there should no women patrolling
01:18:38.520
the streets also no no one that looks like me should be patrolling the streets either you know do
01:18:43.260
admin roles report when someone's child has died or whatever but too many scenes of people
01:18:48.000
trying to apprehend a criminal who just laughs at them and runs off you know bring back the
01:18:52.660
constabulary uh omar says i absolutely do not trust faraj while he remains net zero level
01:18:58.620
soft on soft soft on immigration but the real politique of the situation is that you can say
01:19:03.560
nothing four years and coast to victory in a uni party fatigue alone being funded by zia yusuf
01:19:08.120
doesn't bode well for our chances you'll disenfranchise let alone oust foreign voting blocs
01:19:12.980
um yeah like i don't think reform represent uh the sort of um radical change that people are
01:19:20.120
looking for on the right but i do think there's better than nothing so better than having another
01:19:26.700
four or five years of labor and tories right so and who knows you know maybe trump will put a bit
01:19:32.060
pressure on him and say look just get on with it you know sort things out get on with it yeah
01:19:38.160
exactly um apparently yeah yeah yeah yeah again like i can't believe how kia starmer is constantly
01:19:46.780
dropping the ball like trump came out and said yeah i'm going to tariff you up i'm not going to
01:19:49.800
tariff britain though i like britain what are you doing kia get on the blur be like donald can i take
01:19:55.000
you up for a mcdonald's you know and he'll he'll go for it like chum again i kiss time it looks like a
01:20:01.200
shark doesn't he he's got the dead eyes of shark like he's got no emotive nature to him he's got
01:20:08.300
no personality it's hard to know what his wife loves about him right like normally you can identify
01:20:13.940
why a woman would be into a guy like that but you're like he's like a robot um anyway michael
01:20:19.500
says i spent 30 years working with emergency management around nuclear power plants uh the
01:20:23.560
output on these small uh footprint plants is just astronomical literally two gigawatts of
01:20:29.060
electricity from one reactor now we're discussing micro reactors small modular reactors that could
01:20:33.520
literally power entire towns off one reactor creating home grids in small town cities yeah
01:20:37.780
that's uh something i didn't get into is that the um the the modular reactors are something like 500
01:20:42.260
gigawatts of energy which is enough i mean literally it's one large town would just get one
01:20:47.200
plant and then you've got a network of plants that are kind of independent from one another so if
01:20:53.020
one goes out well then it's only one town that loses energy and you just replace it quickly
01:20:57.240
uh it's again what you would do if you wanted the country to succeed but of course the green
01:21:01.780
lobby hates us they want us to die so that's why they're against it uh jimbo says nothing has
01:21:07.640
hurt the perception of nuclear power more than the simpsons um yes and no i feel the simpsons
01:21:13.860
kind of domesticated the idea of nuclear power plants i think it's the three-eyed fish he's talking about
01:21:18.580
yeah so yeah yes and no but um yeah the the again this is uh it's a long-running bugbear of mine that
01:21:28.640
we even have this conversation about power generation the answer's been solved uh baron
01:21:32.680
from warhawk says i heard something similar from leftists on my college campus they were saying
01:21:36.520
mining on the moon and mars is immoral because it would just destroy the environment and ruin
01:21:41.180
these places natural beauty the natural beauty of mars i mean it is beautiful but there's enough space
01:21:50.860
you know i i i think this is overhyped i think mars is ugly it's it's just a desert a waste i disagree
01:21:58.240
yeah i know yeah there's there's nothing there there's no it's just rock and dust go to the grand canyon
01:22:04.900
if you want yeah uh henry says energies is one of the area energy is one of the areas of science i
01:22:12.220
find most infuriating it has been polluted by the political concept of the science as if it is some
01:22:18.220
fixed eternal outcome that can never be questioned never be reinterpreted and never invalidated someone
01:22:23.400
decided that the green solutions were best but metrics like cost per kilowatt hour the initial carbon
01:22:28.760
overhead of manufacturing and maintaining the infrastructure or how things are decommissioned at
01:22:32.700
the end of their life plus for things like vehicles battery tech is unfit for use in a lot of sectors
01:22:36.480
you can't replace 747 with an electric plane or way too much for example solar panels take up a lot of
01:22:41.420
space and use rare materials that are required to pay a tithe to china and basically end up in a landfill
01:22:46.000
when we're done with them onshore wind turbines kill a lot of wildlife for the yeah have you seen those
01:22:50.580
like birds with their wings chopped off and it's it's like oh this was an eagle i hate it it just really
01:22:58.800
annoys me but yeah and again the fact that a lot of these are just non-recyclable as well so they go
01:23:03.520
in landfills so this whole thing was again in in 50 years time we're going to look back on this and
01:23:08.940
think what are we doing why are we doing any of this um nuclear tidal and a lot of other technologies
01:23:15.300
like synthetic fuels have a lot of legs but for political reasons they're dismissed entirely entirely
01:23:21.180
political annoys me um alpha the beta says if climate change was an imminent political threat
01:23:26.520
we would commit to a crash program of carbon nuclear and carbon neutral nuclear power and figure
01:23:32.320
out the problem of nuclear waste later well there isn't really a problem because it's such a small
01:23:36.800
amount that like we've got uninhabited scottish islands we'd be able to fill up for like a million
01:23:41.860
years if we wanted to in these containers so it's not a problem i mean they can't use the the this as an
01:23:49.460
excuse for not doing anything yeah that's the world is constantly ending yeah constantly just yeah
01:23:56.300
i mean that's entirely the problem but uh but anyway we'll leave the whining about nuclear power
01:24:00.860
there i i'm it's again it's a personal bugbear of mine i just it makes me seethe that i have to pay
01:24:06.740
the electric bill every week every month um but right right so rafe um what is it you're doing at
01:24:12.140
the moment and where can people can people find more from you um well you can watch me every saturday
01:24:16.760
morning on the new culture forum youtube channel uh otherwise i have my own youtube channel where all my
01:24:21.960
other media appearances are posted and of course on x which i still call twitter at raf hm so what
01:24:29.560
what is it that you're um focusing on most at the moment intellectually uh well i'm uh in the process
01:24:35.220
of writing a book which should be the first of a series of books on uh essentially uh giving the
01:24:41.220
correcting the myths on history so uh my first one is essentially 10 myths about churchill which i know
01:24:47.740
a lot of your viewers and some of your team perhaps will disagree with me on you know but
01:24:51.480
correcting a lot of the prevailing myths uh on the left and right on on that uh and then doing my
01:24:58.100
usual stuff that i'm doing on immigration and islam and everything else so can you give me one of the
01:25:02.640
most prominent myths is i've i'm very tired of the discourse surrounding churchill world war ii and
01:25:08.720
adolf hitler because it boils down to well churchill was on the winning side of world war ii
01:25:13.840
hitler would have prevented woke ideology and mass immigration therefore hitler is responsible for
01:25:20.220
d uh churchill is responsible for dei and would essentially be a communist which is of course not
01:25:25.000
what is representative of churchill yeah well of course it's it's ridiculous to blame the policies
01:25:29.740
of tony blair and subsequent governments on you know a man who died in 1965 and who left office in the
01:25:36.160
1950s there's no possible way you can connect the two of those you have well you know every policy
01:25:41.500
is a is a creature of its own time you know it's up to other generations to change policies or
01:25:46.580
whatever he never had any vision of how britain was going to end up or turn out the idea that
01:25:52.580
churchill dragged america into the into the uh second world war he tried his best to get them in but it
01:25:58.000
was actually the japanese people may remember december the 7th who actually uh brought uh and then
01:26:04.120
germany declared war on america churchill had no responsibility for any of that also the idea that you
01:26:09.820
know of daryl cooper it was interviewed by tucker carlson that churchill was the villain of the
01:26:14.200
second war i can see myself losing a lot of people every time i talk about this about one third of my
01:26:19.440
normal normal supporters turn against me but uh this is the reason i brought it up just at the end
01:26:25.280
here is because it's something i see all the time and like i'm i'm as conversant with churchill as
01:26:30.660
anyone who's done british history in school which is not very um but uh by by modern standards
01:26:37.660
churchill would have been as far right and reactionary as it comes but there's no way he'd
01:26:42.100
agree with it well you know the the left are accusing accusing of racism and killing off all
01:26:47.320
these people in the bengal famine and then someone on the right and now saying well just thanks to him
01:26:51.020
you've got massive immigration you can't have it both ways either he's one or the other and the idea
01:26:56.080
that you could have sued for peace with hitler is a complete nonsense this is the other argument put
01:27:00.160
forward that churchill should never have allied with with the soviet union and this was a huge mistake
01:27:04.560
churchill you know from the moment of the revolution said we should strangle the baby
01:27:09.260
bolshevism in its cradle and in 1945 he wanted the americans and the british and the canadians and the
01:27:15.920
poles to carry on the war against the red army push the red army out of berlin out of germany out of
01:27:21.860
poland you know he saw the threat from from the soviet union more than anybody else did 1946 fulton
01:27:27.600
missouri from stetson in the baltic to trieste in the adriatic and iron curtain has descended nobody was a
01:27:33.200
bigger foe of of communism but the reality was as khrushchev and stalin both admitted had it not been
01:27:39.840
for for for russia for american and british aid russia would have collapsed and fallen and uh the fact is
01:27:47.060
if russia had collapsed then the axis powers would have controlled europe middle east oil fields africa
01:27:53.280
asia and australia australasia and then britain would have been a vassal state and eventually you know
01:27:58.500
because hitler had napoleonic uh and alexander the great and julius caesar uh delusions and he would
01:28:03.920
he wanted to achieve what napoleon never did conquer russia and conquer britain the the point
01:28:09.200
being though is that if uh churchill was brought to here and now uh he would be a radical far rightist by
01:28:16.740
any modern standards he would be completely against mass immigration as he was in his own time he'd be
01:28:22.560
completely against communism as he was in his own time and i'm not in any way suggesting that
01:28:27.480
churchill was perfect i don't think he was a great far from perfect and i'm not even talking
01:28:31.300
on a personal level i think he was a terrible strategist uh i i think he's he made a series
01:28:35.720
of military blunders but so what a lot of people did the point being i don't think he you can draw a
01:28:41.460
direct line between him and woke dei stuff and lay it at his feet again let i'm happy to oppose the
01:28:48.080
women's suffrage for example like churchill was kind of our reactionary in a lot of ways actually so i i am
01:28:56.140
kind of annoyed to see him getting thrown so hard under the bus especially when there are much more
01:29:00.440
germane people to the actual problem tony blair boris johnson anyway i'm not going to go on but the
01:29:06.640
the point being churchill was not nearly as bad as people on the internet are making him out to be
01:29:10.320
and he has a lot more in common with what we believe the way the world should be than what the
01:29:15.340
left believe yeah look there are many legitimate reasons to criticize him on his policy on india his
01:29:20.020
abdication crisis tying britain to the gold standard all of these the gallipoli the dardanelles
01:29:25.460
lots of issues but those are fine these ones and on from the left the bengal famine and all of this
01:29:31.560
there's no legs to that whatsoever yeah i agree i looked into that because i was thinking oh that's
01:29:35.440
a bit weird and then it turns out no it's nonsense uh unsurprisingly but anyway so uh on that note go
01:29:40.440
follow rafe on his various socials uh thanks for joining us and we'll be back in half an hour for
01:29:44.340
lads hour where i believe we are rating english kings uh so that should be fun see you then