The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

00:00:00.320 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the Lotus Eaters for the 11th of

00:00:04.080 February it is a Tuesday i'm joined by Bo and Dr Charles Cornish Dale otherwise known as Roaring

00:00:09.120 Nationalist and we are going to be talking about why young people hate Britain why doxing the

00:00:14.560 annons isn't really working as well as it used to and the best Gaza deal no one's seen a Gaza 1.00

00:00:21.200 deal like it everyone agrees uh what what Trump's doing with Gaza basically and uh the effect we

00:00:28.000 expect that to have so without further ado uh it's recently been released announced informed

00:00:34.640 on the internet that uh young people hate Britain and you can't really blame them can you Britain's

00:00:40.960 a bit of a statement what is there to love i mean everyone knows the country's going downhill

00:00:52.240 everyone can see it it's it's i i've noticed just normal people now just saying much the same thing

00:00:58.000 that we've been saying for the past like you know five years or so but look this country's going

00:01:01.680 downhill and nothing is being done to stop it and a lot of people still haven't connected that to

00:01:06.960 our say open borders policy or our wealth redistribution policies the fact the NHS is

00:01:14.160 massive albatross around our necks or anything like this um but they they are starting to realize wow

00:01:19.680 this wasn't as bad as it is now when i was growing up it's difficult if not impossible to notice

00:01:25.280 yes and this is sad for people of sort of our age who remember the before time when Britain actually

00:01:34.480 was quite nice and wasn't terrible or overrun or collapsing under the weight of its own age

00:01:41.840 uh but a lot of young people don't remember that because of course for people of about 25 years old

00:01:48.240 the only memories you really have are of a dilapidated country that is overrun by people from foreign 1.00

00:01:55.840 lands will you ever remember just the problem with that and i don't mean to take a pop at all young

00:02:00.880 people it's not there no it's fine i'm about to do that okay but the one of the classic 101 leftoid

00:02:07.520 things to do is to divorce people from their history um so obviously being a history nerd um you know i

00:02:16.080 look back at a thousand years of glorious tradition and all those cliches um and realize that it's

00:02:22.240 it's not over i think so we've got a very very deep well to draw upon uh but where we've very

00:02:29.040 deliberately been divorced from that younger people not really encouraged or certainly in school it's

00:02:34.800 not really on the curriculum be reminded of all these things but when i was when i was driving uh so

00:02:40.240 i went to oxford yesterday social engagement first time i've been back there not a high table

00:02:47.120 no it wasn't high table it was in very in many respects it was quite a low affair but um uh anyway

00:02:53.200 i was driving driving up to oxford and about once every six to eight months i listen to stairway to

00:02:58.000 heaven one way or another i can only handle it about one great month but it always comes on and at some

00:03:04.880 kind of sort of pivotal moment like there's something about the song it always just comes on so i was

00:03:09.200 listening to how the west was one which is the the live led zeppelin album that was released in the

00:03:14.880 90s i think and anyways driving past south cadbury which is an iron age hillfort somerset and um was

00:03:23.200 repurposed into a burr by alfred the great and um the song reached the fanfare just before the solo you

00:03:30.400 know the good this this really sort of um this climactic moment uh as i came past this beautiful hill

00:03:37.120 fort in the mist and i could just see fluttering on the highest point a union flag i thought wow wow

00:03:43.920 that's uh you know that's a vibe that's a feeling i i felt i felt connected i think to the history i

00:03:50.480 felt very kind of melancholy but also also some hope um so yeah like you say i mean we have a deep

00:03:56.640 tradition i hope it's not a glimpse of our future that uh native white british enclaves are reduced to 0.84

00:04:02.560 basically hill faults well again zeppelin yeah remembering the glorious past so let's let's get

00:04:09.120 into the numbers uh so this is i i went through the 2021 census this morning weirdly there weren't any

00:04:14.480 graphs on it so i had an excel spreadsheet that these out of um but these are the numbers of young people

00:04:20.640 from the ages of 0 to 29 in britain at the moment because it seems that things are worse than they

00:04:27.840 actually are and one of the common refrains is well uh young people in britain hate britain so much

00:04:34.560 because so many of them are not british and that there is some truth i said i said i said that the

00:04:39.120 other day actually on twitter well there is some truth to that that's the thing but there's also

00:04:43.760 a large number of young people who are native who have just been propagandized to hate their own

00:04:47.840 country they hate their own history uh and this is worth uh talking about so as you can see by this

00:04:52.640 graph uh 75 of the young people in britain identify as white now that's not just white british i couldn't

00:05:00.800 actually find that individual number but if you look at the same census uh 48.7 million of the residents

00:05:07.360 of england and wales identify as white and they call it the high level category but if you drill down

00:05:12.080 into that the white uh british ethnic group so welsh scottish northern irish or english uh is 74 so 44

00:05:20.960 million so about 3.3 million europeans living here so that probably goes down to roughly about 70

00:05:28.400 which okay well that's could be worse not great it could be worse and so out of that we've got so

00:05:37.280 we've got probably around 14 million probably somewhere between 14 and 15 million white british

00:05:44.800 people in britain well in england and wales so white english um but we also have uh two point two and a

00:05:52.480 half million asians over a million blacks over a million mixed and then half a million others so

00:05:58.880 it's not that there aren't large numbers of people and this is people who are going to be like the average

00:06:05.360 age is going to be around 16 of these as well so this is not well weighted uh for example new new births

00:06:15.600 are disproportionately of minority background is in something like 40 percent newborns of minority

00:06:21.120 background and things like this so it's not perfect and of course what this doesn't do is show you

00:06:26.320 geographic location uh the ethnic minorities are of course more heavily concentrated in the cities

00:06:31.920 the shires are of course more almost entirely uh white english uh so but anyway like i said it's

00:06:39.520 bad but it's not as bad as it could be could be worse and so while there is going to be a lot of

00:06:46.880 young people who are either first or second generation immigrants who have never been taught

00:06:52.000 that this is a good country and they should like it here and why not why wouldn't you embrace the

00:06:55.840 country in which you live uh a lot of it is going to be english kids who have just been told that

00:07:01.040 they live in a bad country and their country is evil and in fact racist uh anyway so stained with

00:07:07.760 the original guilt of your ancestors stained with the original sin so this is eric kaufman's uh report

00:07:15.360 in uh the the political culture of young britain for policy exchange in which he um interviewed a

00:07:21.200 thousand five hundred and something uh young people under 29 and he came to a bunch of conclusions

00:07:27.600 um so we can go down to page 10 just get some graphs up for you then you'll find that uh young

00:07:36.160 people and this is not going to be terribly surprising uh skew very much to the left now this

00:07:42.960 reports of the zoomers going right wing uh no not really there's no evidence to suggest that at all

00:07:49.840 in fact two-thirds of zoomers are very left wing as far as they identify and only a third of zoomers

00:07:56.320 as you can see here by this graph uh are right wing so there's there's no reason to think we've got a

00:08:03.200 right-wing zoomer revolution on our hands no where would that have come from why would they think that

00:08:09.680 like if these people have been in tony blair's education system their entire lives is it any

00:08:15.120 wonder they're basically communists it's i don't know though you know i mean i think that reason at least

00:08:21.040 to be hoped i mean a third plus i mean that's a decent number it's not bad yeah it could could be

00:08:26.880 much worse i mean remember the american revolution it was what three percent point you know 33 i think

00:08:35.200 you can do you can do something with that okay i like that i like that position that's interesting

00:08:39.600 i was going to make almost the exact same point that um i wonder if it would probably be a lot worse

00:08:43.840 if you looked at the same figures in the 60s or 70s it'd be like much less than the third and yeah

00:08:50.000 historically only takes a small number of movers to uh change the world but you're right it's it's

00:08:56.880 not like it's not like it's the other way around but and in fact actually the growth of left-wing

00:09:02.400 identification the massive growth let's say of left identification that is true is a sign that

00:09:07.680 actually people are um people's opinions are plastic you know so actually you know what it would

00:09:15.440 probably take actually as a right-wing system with uh right-wing indoctrination and then maybe you would

00:09:20.000 have oh you a reversal you absolutely could and i think you are exactly right the one of the main

00:09:26.880 concerns that the zuma youth have that britain is racist now they only think that because they have

00:09:33.120 been taught to think that they didn't come to these conclusions on their own because of course if you

00:09:37.520 were looking around what would be the evidence of that and what would like it would fly directly in the

00:09:43.280 face of your own personal experience that you see uh non-ethnically indigenous people advancing in 0.97

00:09:49.280 every sphere of life to the point where now the conservative party has a yoruba woman in charge 0.99

00:09:54.240 you'd be like okay but where's the racism if you are objectively empirically looking for racism

00:09:59.440 it'd be difficult to find the anglosphere is the least racist place on the entire globe

00:10:03.840 yeah by a long way i mean it's enshrined in now britain and united states and australia got

00:10:09.360 total versions of the race relation act exactly and culturally it's not been something that people

00:10:13.520 have been in favor of which is why uh openly nativist and ethno-nationalist parties have never

00:10:19.040 really had any major uh political success so there's if if you were looking for racism you'd have

00:10:24.960 trouble finding it but if you've been propagandized and this shows us the the power of the propaganda

00:10:30.640 um but anyway so 67 identified with some sort of left-wing party so greens labor conservative no

00:10:37.840 conservatives are treated as a right-wing party in this so yeah probably about 15 percent really

00:10:45.440 uh anyway so what's interesting is the split on this is actually more among the white british youth

00:10:53.760 themselves so as you can see there's a massive drift in ideology so most of them consider themselves

00:11:01.120 to be some flavor of left 17 center but only 22 percent consider themselves some sort of right

00:11:10.640 so when asked directly about their personal ideology they even the tory voting ones think of themselves

00:11:17.520 probably mostly as center or that so not great um but then you see ideology by race and this is

00:11:24.400 interesting so as you can see the the blue bars are the white population and the orange bars are the

00:11:30.560 non-white population and the blue bars are way more left than the other ones not by that much

00:11:36.800 but the uh the non-white population tends to cluster actually more around the center

00:11:42.000 which is strange things so it shows you that the and you're going to be surprised to learn that it's

00:11:48.160 mostly left-wing women as well uh young white women do they break it down then by gender there there 1.00

00:11:54.000 is uh breakdown by gender let me find it um because that's i mean that's a gen that general point

00:12:01.040 about leftward drift isn't it across it is women and it's probably the concept that's built probably 1.00

00:12:09.120 art as well sorry there is a breakdown some of what might what what might explain that is that a lot of

00:12:17.360 uh what might traditional communities or communities from the third world or other places in the world

00:12:22.960 um are what we might consider um conservative with the small c strongly conservative so

00:12:30.720 they bring that here with them oh yeah here we go sorry it's on this one so uh as you can see um

00:12:37.280 people in favor of political correctness which is another barometer of whether someone is left-wing

00:12:42.080 or not well 56 of uh women are in favor 44 of men are in favor uh 39 of men are opposed and only 15 of

00:12:53.440 women are opposed um in all metrics non-white people are twice as likely as white women to be opposed to

00:13:02.480 political correct a quite some margin yeah by a by a large margin um and so interesting how this is the

00:13:13.440 case um in every space basically if we get to page 18 uh you can see that people are young people are

00:13:21.760 ideologically very left-wing so students at university 57 knowingly left-wing uh taking a year out before

00:13:29.440 attending university 57 working plans to attend university 53 student further education in college

00:13:36.000 50 even if you get down to working with no plans to attend university 34 even if they're paying taxes

00:13:44.560 and they haven't been indoctrinated by the woke university system it shows you the power of the

00:13:49.040 left-wing culture in which we live they still a third of them think of themselves as doctrine and leftists

00:13:57.280 and this is something that is embedded in their minds so we've got a bit of an uphill struggle with

00:14:02.960 the the youth as it were um one thing that i found particularly strange if i get to page 23 here we go

00:14:12.320 um the rise in lgbt identification so this is essentially a metric of how debauched they have been by 0.99

00:14:19.920 left-wing activists in our schools and universities uh how perverted they have been only 60 and i mean

00:14:27.680 like this is a thing that has been done to them right i don't think they began perverse and wanting

00:14:33.360 to be strange and not normal i think that this has been done to them so only 60 of zoomers say

00:14:39.600 they're heterosexual 40 of them identify in some other way now 16 of that is bisexual which

00:14:46.640 probably just a way of getting out of the presser category for a lot of people but the the point

00:14:53.760 being this is left-wing teachers meddling with their minds meddling with their preferences making them

00:15:00.880 think that actually it is better to be not normal than it is to be normal which of course in any other

00:15:08.240 time or context would be horrific thing to do to anybody um historically speaking it does speak of

00:15:16.000 a decline in civilization look at the late ptolemaic period or the late byzantine period the massive

00:15:23.280 growth in um androgyny or homosexuality uh it speaks of decline on a civilizational level but what i

00:15:32.400 think it more directly speaks to is that there was a cultural revolution that took place in britain under

00:15:37.440 the blair years and this is its fruit uh to literally propagandize people against their better

00:15:43.440 interests and i can tell you i can say confidently this is against their better interest because of

00:15:48.960 course these people have atrocious mental health absolutely atrocious um so one of the uh most damning 0.84

00:15:58.160 uh graphs is this one so are you sad or anxious most of the time well only 25 of zoomer men 0.76

00:16:04.000 said they are of course we can see from the graphs that cover they're the most right wing

00:16:08.720 not by a huge amount but they are at least more right wing than their female cohort uh the lgbt 0.96

00:16:14.240 nearly half of them are sad or anxious most of the time so is it good to have the lifestyle that you have

00:16:22.080 or is it good to have a normal lifestyle well three quarters of the men would say probably better

00:16:28.320 i'm not sad or anxious most of the time half of the lgbt say yes no i am sad or anxious most of the time

00:16:35.040 so i'm just saying i don't think that what's been done to them is good and you can see 43 of women

00:16:39.520 there as well and of course most of the the slightly left very left and centrist ones huge numbers only

00:16:46.880 24 of the slightly right and 24 of the very right people feel sad or anxious most of the time

00:16:52.400 i feel like there's a wider trend as well just like the the infantilization of people i mean

00:16:59.920 i remember what we're old enough to remember sort of we were kids in the 80s right and teenagers in

00:17:04.560 the 90s formative years in the 80s and 90s and even then i not very long ago um you just weren't really

00:17:10.800 asked if you were sad or anxious ever really it was just get on with it and if you go back generations

00:17:16.000 before that i think of maybe like the the boomer generation not having a pop at boomers for once

00:17:20.880 uh just just the greatest generation and the generation after that you wouldn't you weren't

00:17:25.200 asked you weren't sort of polled about how anxious you are right and i mean i remember a couple of

00:17:31.920 couple of little points um i remember in the 1990 world cup when gaza cried when he got a yellow card

00:17:37.600 in the semi-final and would miss the fight and he cried and everyone was like what a man crying in

00:17:42.880 public well there was still there was the famous walkers advert as well right where uh gary linick has his

00:17:47.920 crisp packets in the stand and gaza puts his hand in to steal some and gary linicka crushes it and

00:17:52.640 gaza starts pouring tears i mean it was yeah it was ridiculous even then like in the early 90s you

00:17:58.400 just you didn't you weren't encouraged to be that emotional no there's a really early simpsons episode

00:18:04.320 when homer uh marge buggers up the washing and homer ends up with a pink shirt and he's he's gonna

00:18:10.480 he's gonna be ostracized and humiliated for going to work wearing a pink shirt um and again that was

00:18:15.840 like what the late 80s or early 90s uh sort of i don't want to get all nester about it old man nester

00:18:21.920 but men were men a bit more back then and now you're encouraged to there's nothing wrong with

00:18:26.560 wearing pink or having a little crier or being anxious all the time and admitting to it um i

00:18:31.680 think there might be actually but anyway i just i don't know people should get on with their lives a

00:18:37.120 bit more i made a kind of glib comment about uh birth control making women more left-wing but i mean

00:18:43.520 you have to talk about medication antidepressants antidepressants so i wrote an article fairly

00:18:49.600 recently or a kind of opinion piece for depot times recently about the fact that a quarter of

00:18:54.240 all adults in scotland are on antidepressants one million out of four and then and then i think

00:19:00.880 another maybe another million are on benzodiazepines and anti-anxiety drugs and uh zopaclone and all of

00:19:07.600 these kind of pain relief medication i mean we're very close actually to the kind of brave world the

00:19:14.080 brave new world scenario of total medication uh and it's worse for young people it's worth a quarter of

00:19:20.960 adults more than that the the reason the reason i'm hammering the point so hard that this is a product

00:19:28.320 of ideological indoctrination is you can see that the the right-wing heterosexuals are by far the most

00:19:35.840 normal happy well-adjusted people the the people with the problems are young women who have been i 0.99

00:19:42.320 think particularly susceptible to this through literally a generation of feminist indoctrination 0.68

00:19:47.200 and lgbt people which is apparently now 40 percent of the zuma cohort compared to the 28 of the

00:19:53.120 heterosexuals but you know but you know so there was a study that i wrote about as well a new study of

00:19:58.800 the contraceptive pill that shows that it um that use during teenage years shrinks a region of the female 0.99

00:20:04.880 brain associated with fear process and uh emotional control i forget the name

00:20:13.200 the point is it negatively affects them yeah it actually it actually you you can do mri scans and

00:20:18.080 you see that the the thickness of the brain reduces and then if you start taking the pill when you're a

00:20:24.560 teenager uh it doesn't it doesn't come back the brain doesn't doesn't return to normal or end up being

00:20:31.120 normal volume um so it's shrinking the regions of of women's brains that are associated with proper 1.00

00:20:38.560 fear processing and control of their emotions you know i mean it's it's a normal thing for girls to 1.00

00:20:44.240 go on birth control in their teenage years it's treatment for acne um uh you know it's uh it's a

00:20:50.880 normal thing millions of girls who know what the results who knows what the results are very interesting 1.00

00:20:55.920 point you made just real quick about brave new world in that i re-listened to the audio book just

00:21:00.480 a couple of weekends ago uh if there's if you ever feel any kind of discomfort or unhappiness at all

00:21:05.600 you just take soma you just go on quote unquote holiday until you get better just zonk yourself out

00:21:11.760 yeah we are very close to that if something like one in four scots or just a massive chunk of the whole

00:21:17.200 population are on antidepressants i mean it's and it's a harsh indictment a terrible indictment of where we

00:21:22.400 are and it's not just scotland's weather either it's not just sure it's grim off the border it's

00:21:27.840 because it's the rest of the western world as well it's america completely cultural yeah it is

00:21:32.240 completely cultural and ideological it's it's it's considered to be a that's a way of being which

00:21:39.920 and look actually at the debate over um rfk juniors confirmation well look at the way that um

00:21:46.720 um bernie sanders grilled rfk juniors you know he was saying to him look i oh i agree with make

00:21:52.480 america healthy again but what we need is we need universal health care so it's not it's not that

00:21:58.800 actually what you need to do is you need to reform the fundamental structures of health care in the

00:22:04.400 u.s because it's those structures are making people unwell it's actually that the the totalizing

00:22:12.160 kind of control of the medical industry isn't enough more people need pills uh and that's that's 0.98

00:22:18.480 that's that is basically the leftist um standpoint across the western world well remember rfk's

00:22:24.960 position is fundamentally you have to change something about your life is making you unhealthy

00:22:29.440 it's making you sad it's making you depressed therefore you must change and bernie comes at it

00:22:32.960 from the complete other position of the brave new world no we can get a pill for that you can take

00:22:37.200 your summer and actually you don't need to change the thing that's making you depressed or unhealthy or

00:22:41.440 well well bernie is bernie is also i mean he sat on i think a subcommittee about uh a zempic provision

00:22:48.000 and they were modeling different scenarios for a zempic uptake and you know how much it would cost for 50

00:22:53.760 percent of the of the u.s population to go on a zempic and stuff you know because 70 of american adult

00:22:59.920 overweight or obese uh and that that is their answer to the problem of obesity is okay well we just need to

00:23:07.680 make sure that novo nordisk isn't charging too much for a zempic and that we can get it for everybody

00:23:12.240 there's always a price to be paid and apparently 10 people were made blind by a zempic yeah and up this 0.98

00:23:17.120 morning um but uh but this is the problem isn't it rfk uh wants to make the food better and the

00:23:23.600 institutions are going to say no we've got another money-making venture in this pill and don't worry

00:23:28.480 trust us but anyway getting back to this so generation z of course think that the uk is racist now

00:23:34.320 i actually kind of don't care what they think about what is and what is not racist um because

00:23:41.680 honestly i don't think a single one of them would be able to actually define the word racist uh in any

00:23:48.240 meaningful way and also again like you're saying this has been pumped into their soft heads

00:23:55.440 ziri bezmanov would say as a way of demoralizing because ultimately what do they think the uk ought to be

00:24:04.320 and if the answer is well it ought to be essentially an empty geographic space in which no one people

00:24:11.200 on earth have a claim to it well i i don't think i should finish that sentence um 0.99

00:24:21.200 point being i don't care if they think it's racist and they're stupid to care about the issue themselves 0.95

00:24:25.440 uh but anyway so this is apparently an authoritative study that was done by you gov and public first 0.96

00:24:29.920 uh which showed uh that basically i'll go through this we've got a bunch of graphs as well they

00:24:35.120 basically uh young people just hate britain because they've been taught to hate britain

00:24:38.960 so if you go uh from the study on 2004 to 2024 so in one generation you can see that 80 percent of

00:24:46.560 people in britain young people in britain in 20 2004 were proud to be british only 13 said the opposite

00:24:54.080 and in 2024 it's only 41 so in one generation of communist subversion they've halved the national

00:25:01.840 pride of the young people that is stark isn't it staggering the thing about fighting for britain

00:25:08.960 is quite an interesting question i think historically well can we get to that in a minute okay sure because

00:25:13.440 it does come down uh on it a bit um so the this this is a a level of demoralization that is hard to

00:25:20.960 fathom and you would think that if there was a generally positive narrative of britain was

00:25:28.080 promoted in schools or history classes um that this even if they take into account the general

00:25:36.320 degradation of the country you would think it would still be over half of people at least

00:25:40.240 they might not be happy with the state of britain but they might be proud of what they had inherited

00:25:44.640 culturally or socially or historically or something like this but no that more than half of people

00:25:49.440 are either don't know or untrue third of them think it's untrue which is not good and so the the

00:25:56.080 next one is racism would you say it's true or untrue that britain is a racist country well back in

00:26:02.000 2004 only 34 percent in 2024 48 and so racism really is just used as a word that means bad or guilty or historically

00:26:12.720 sinned stained stained with blood um well i feel like the definitions and the overton window and

00:26:20.160 what racism means has just been completely blown out of all proportions in the last generation so now

00:26:25.280 the word racism just means uh if you don't well any sort of in-group preference is racist among whites

00:26:32.000 at least sure sure just among among whites yeah so if you don't show um just uh well if you if you do

00:26:39.360 show any in-group preference yeah then you're racist if you are partial to british the britain

00:26:45.760 and the british people then that is a form of racism as in you have what you know is broadly

00:26:52.400 termed a race and a preference but what you also see as well actually you know you see those infuriating

00:26:57.280 clips on twitter where people are out and about with the microphone asking you know what's what's good

00:27:02.800 about british culture and then you get all these people saying there isn't a british culture so there's a

00:27:07.440 there's a kind of deeper there's a deeper thing going on where actually there's a denial that

00:27:11.280 there even is such a thing as britain that britain has any kind of stable identity that there's anything

00:27:17.440 to be proud of in the first place yep that's absolutely true and it was all built by diversity

00:27:22.560 though at the same time yeah we'll get on slaves slaves in this country and so the question of

00:27:28.480 immigration how do young people feel about immigration and this to me is where it really goes

00:27:32.960 off the rails right this is this is how you can see that there is such a thing as false consciousness

00:27:37.600 this is a long debated philosophical question is there such a thing as a false yes obviously so the

00:27:42.800 statement is immigration into britain is good for our economy and society now in 2004 52 percent of

00:27:49.440 people thought because 52 percent of people had no idea what the consequences of diversity be in 2004

00:27:56.320 76 at 2024 76 of young people agree with that statement diversity is our strength it's good for

00:28:04.800 the economy good for society yesterday in where was it lewisham there was an african man with a knife 0.82

00:28:10.720 waving at a window makes no impact as far as they're concerned well it's amazing isn't it because you

00:28:16.000 think okay 2004 that's seven years after tony blair came about so okay so mass immigration is starting

00:28:22.480 definitely definitely starting to bite there are stories in the news whatever 2024 we're talking

00:28:29.360 27 years after uh and it's it's a different country and this and and actually support for immigration

00:28:37.280 has increased i mean it but by by a massive amount by by a factor of 25 like uh sorry 50 so i mean like

00:28:46.000 oh britain is more racist and also immigration is good for britain and is what's making britain

00:28:52.320 better socially and economically it's like but there's just no evidence for this again if you

00:28:57.760 were to conduct some kind of an empirical study but okay well uh wages gone up has life expectancy

00:29:03.920 gone has access to services gone up has social cohesion gone up you would be no on all of these

00:29:09.920 factors so you would have to say no immigration has been nothing but a net negative to this country 1.00

00:29:14.800 on any empirical metric and yet the propagandized zoomer on average is just like oh yeah immigration is

00:29:21.200 good for our country diversity is our strength like these these like it's not just plastic these

00:29:25.600 people essentially have just been empty vessels they've been pressed out of a mold on the conveyor belt

00:29:31.120 of our public education system yeah has terrorist attacks gone through the roof yeah yeah i mean again

00:29:36.000 you could be 20 years old at this point and um you were born like one um you know in the 77 was 2005.

00:29:43.520 so again if you're about 20 years old now you won't have known anything other than like sort of a

00:29:50.480 parcel of living in a big city in london do you get your phone out when you're on the street no of course

00:29:55.840 not because someone will steal it but this this happens to like you know left-wing commentators

00:30:00.000 like matthew stadlin you know there's no evidence and then they get their phone nick like crime crime is

00:30:05.600 not going down like that nothing is getting better because of immigration and yet three quarters of 1.00

00:30:11.520 zoomers are like yes this is good for britain at this point though that one's so stark that i what

00:30:15.760 does this come from you gov uh it's a large one but it's you gov and uh someone else i can't remember

00:30:22.160 i would even start to question uh it was the source for this because that's so remarkable first as well

00:30:29.360 are they well the the chances are they've polled tens of thousands of people with this i haven't

00:30:33.840 actually looked into the back end um and i mean if you wanted to do a a very quick kind of straw poll of

00:30:39.920 your own then go on a dating app and look at the look at the political preferences of the young

00:30:45.200 set set your um uh looking for you know the age bracket that you're looking for i would never set

00:30:50.960 it to 18 29 but um uh set it if that's if you're being sarcastic i really could i mean judging by what

00:31:00.560 they think why would you well but um yeah set it to 18 to 29 and see the proportion of of um users who

00:31:08.960 are liberal and say something shit libby in their profile and how many even say moderate um i think 0.52

00:31:15.600 you would i think you'd probably find it's even starker than that i think you'd find it's like 85 0.96

00:31:20.320 then certainly among women anyway that's the excuse i'm going to use to my wife when she finds my tinder 1.00

00:31:24.480 um anyway so uh yeah going on going to war now um this isn't as bad as people thought it was uh

00:31:33.680 back in 2004 you had uh 79 percent said that they would if they agree with it and they just would

00:31:41.040 otherwise only 19 would in 2024 that's 41 but you've still got 49 who would if they agreed with

00:31:48.960 reasons which isn't as bad as the headlines are making out and frankly i think the other issue the

00:31:54.480 other parts of the polling are worse frankly i think it's the 76 thinking that immigration is great

00:32:02.320 bonkers absolutely what's interesting about that as well of course is 2004 i mean we're talking about

00:32:07.520 the height of the global war on terror you've got millions of people marching in london i mean

00:32:12.400 so i mean that would skew it but i was going to make a historical point actually so i i read um

00:32:17.760 this book by richard holmes called redcoat a little while ago about the history of the british

00:32:22.320 soldiers right from the kind of tudor period onwards and he makes the the interesting point

00:32:28.160 that actually you know being a soldier in this country there's always been a there's a very deep

00:32:33.360 stigma there's a very kind of um used to get spat on in the street yeah it's never been something that

00:32:38.880 the parents have been particularly proud of or that the general public even has been very proud of

00:32:43.360 either you know it's interesting i i read a book about the death penalty recently

00:32:47.920 and uh the death penalty ebbs and flows depending on uh whether we're at war or not historically

00:32:54.560 and so if say for example during the napoleonic wars the death penalty plummeted 0.97

00:32:58.720 uh because um old nosy was right that we do kind of send our scum to war

00:33:04.160 uh which is all more remarkable they keep winning them in the 18th century particularly um

00:33:09.120 there's a there's a big distinction to be made between the officer class and the enlisted men so

00:33:13.200 in the 18th century quite often if he was a criminal you had the option of being deported

00:33:17.520 to australia uh or or take the king's shilling join the army one of those is safer than the other

00:33:26.400 right um but anyway so that's the the point being is uh generation z are not right wing really they're

00:33:34.720 very very left wing they believe all of the standard leftist narratives and they believe them to a level

00:33:39.840 that arrives at kind of soviet commissar i imagine if you polled the average soviet commissar you

00:33:45.040 wouldn't get a 76 yes you know socialism is great out of them but this is what the average gen z 1.00

00:33:51.120 person in the uk i was going to say would there be something in in the argument of that there's

00:33:57.040 more of a polarization rather than simply two camps left or right wing it's rather the lefties

00:34:02.080 have got more left and because there is certainly a tranche of zoomers who are completely based and 0.81

00:34:08.880 right wing yeah they are they're in the minority but perhaps they're more based than they were 20

00:34:13.360 years ago though i mean those ones they probably are more based but um there was actually a thing in

00:34:19.200 here that showed you that the the actual people who are by our stands very far right are again like

00:34:26.640 fairly center two two percent you know fairly right um six percent slightly right twelve percent

00:34:34.080 like the the the base zuma cohort is actually very small it's just allowed it's able to organize on

00:34:39.200 twitter well there's a i mean there's there are quite a few studies i think that suggests that the

00:34:44.240 the growth this that there's a split basically between the sexes that we've been talking about but

00:34:48.400 it is women who are just pushing further and further left and men are kind of just staying in the same place 0.95

00:34:52.960 states well not not entirely i mean maybe not in this country but i think that there's that's

00:34:57.840 yeah quite large-scale studies i think about probably in america and france yes yeah and

00:35:03.360 probably germany now as well but in britain no our young people are generally just very left-wing

00:35:09.840 um which is embarrassing uh anyway uh on to the comments uh hi charles just want to say i love man's

00:35:15.760 world are there any more fiction contests coming up yeah we're gonna have another pulp fiction contest

00:35:21.040 because the first one was so good uh i'm about to announce actually the results of the gonzo

00:35:26.000 journalism contest as well uh this week maybe i think on friday but yeah we will be having more

00:35:31.840 contests in the future because they work nicely and they produce absolutely great material incredible

00:35:36.400 uh and hirani i can't pronounce that uh says this segment is proof that women's suffrage was a mistake

00:35:42.560 to be honest with you i think it's education uh allowing something something two-thirds of teachers

00:35:46.800 are women now i don't agree with that i think that's a terrible terrible thing women shouldn't be 1.00

00:35:52.160 teaching boys uh anyway let's move on uh yeah no no no

00:36:03.840 else yeah scroll up and down there so a new era for annons uh so just before christmas i wrote

00:36:14.000 my first uh article for the spectator how do i open in fact actually maybe would you i'll do it i'll do

00:36:23.520 i'll do me the honor scrolling right hand man so yeah so i wrote my first article for the spectator

00:36:32.240 before christmas and it wasn't quite what i thought it was going to be so i thought i was going to be

00:36:36.720 writing you know some hard-hitting uh article but it ended up actually on it's funny being an article about

00:36:43.120 how to uh make a special superfood eggnog oh okay which was published in the christmas i'm glad you're

00:36:50.480 here because i don't know what eggnog is it's custard basically boozy custard is okay what eggnog is it's

00:36:57.360 something that yeah it's good and uh it's a superfood if you make it in the right way you've got eggs

00:37:03.600 uh i add kefir to it uh cream a little bit of milk uh booze or not uh some cinnamon bit of sugar it's

00:37:12.640 a complete food it's like ice cream so there's a nutritional scientists were baffled recently to

00:37:18.640 discover that actually people who eat more ice cream are healthier than people who don't but

00:37:22.640 actually if you know anything about ice cream if you know about the kind of superior nutrition that

00:37:27.440 you actually get in ice cream from milk and fats and sugar it's actually it's a complete food it's a

00:37:34.560 complete food mike mentzer the uh 1980s bodybuilder he used to consume huge quantities of ice cream

00:37:43.120 and yeah so i so anyway so i wrote this didn't need an excuse but now i have one yeah so it's a superfood

00:37:48.080 but anyway so this was my first article for the spectator but actually uh i had written two others

00:37:55.920 before and they both got canned and the first one interestingly enough was about my doc oh really

00:38:02.080 yeah it was about my docs and the spate of doxings that's taken place uh among right-wing anons doxing

00:38:08.800 of jonathan keeperman lomez my good friend the man who runs passage press and i was basically saying look

00:38:15.520 you know uh it's kind of illegal to be right-wing in in the western world uh not in the sense that there

00:38:22.560 are laws against it but in the sense that actually governments collude with activists and ngos to

00:38:29.200 make the lives of anybody who is genuinely right-wing very difficult so that actually you know there's

00:38:33.600 this whole sort of massive unofficial incentive system that prevents people actually expressing

00:38:38.400 themselves from doing anything from organizing from publishing books from writing essays etc

00:38:43.680 advancing in the top years of society yes yeah

00:38:47.680 yeah exactly so i um yeah so they were those articles were canned and it was quite interesting

00:38:54.000 actually that i heard from a senior editor at spectator or second hand uh who shall remain

00:39:00.240 nameless that it was tinfoil hat conspiracism for me to suggest that the british government might be

00:39:05.600 involved in such behavior including my own doxing so uh i laid out the circumstances of my doxing in my

00:39:14.160 first appearance on this show i remember back in july actually yeah how time flies uh and i wrote a big

00:39:22.080 piece about it for american mind uh where i talk this is it yes disrupting the right where i opened by

00:39:30.160 talking about something very strange that happened to me uh two weeks before i actually was doxed so i was 0.96

00:39:36.800 doxed by hope not hate this uh disgusting uh gay race communist activist group in britain that that 0.99

00:39:44.720 likes to try and ruin right-wingers lives because they don't have anything else better to do um but 0.99

00:39:50.080 imagine they're funded explicitly to do that yeah yeah yeah by the british government yeah but boris

00:39:55.440 johnson it was by boris johnson yeah and others but um uh two weeks before i was doxed then uh a business

00:40:02.640 insider journalist uh sent an email to my local farm shop and uh asked my ask the chap who runs the

00:40:11.280 farm shop to to give her my identity basically which is a strange thing to do it's a strange thing for

00:40:16.560 a journalist at business insider in the us uh transatlantic you know business publication to be looking to

00:40:23.840 reveal there's a guy on twitter who just really gets my goat i need to dox him yeah strange super

00:40:30.000 weird and creepy it is yeah and she broke the law she broke multiple laws doing that trying to solicit 1.00

00:40:36.480 uh you know farm shop owner to reveal customer data you know that's in breach of data protection 0.97

00:40:42.880 regulations etc um uh so this has been thrown into quite interesting uh relief with the big balls with

00:40:53.920 the events concerning big balls in uh the us so uh what a difference a few months makes so it was kind

00:41:02.560 of speculative what i had said maybe we've gone to the next one that was just to show actually that the

00:41:08.720 uh that the home office funds hope not hate uh to the tune of a lot of money much more money than

00:41:15.040 that that's just one yeah it was 230 or thousand yeah that's in that's in oris's tenure that's in

00:41:21.120 their um uh like charitable commission tax tax filings that kind of stuff but yeah they've been

00:41:26.880 paying hope not hate for a long time they've been advising the home uh hope not hate have been advising

00:41:31.840 the home office providing them with uh details for their counter extremism strategy and so they can

00:41:36.880 understand what's going on online understand sort of uh right-wing networks all that kind of stuff

00:41:42.560 understand these dangerous people who are encouraging you know british uh men to consume raw eggs raw

00:41:48.560 milk other other dangerous stuff like that the seed oils the british government will come for you

00:41:54.320 exactly so um but what a difference a few months has made because you know a lot of the stuff i said in

00:42:00.160 in that piece for the american mind it wasn't speculative it was informed by the data or by as much

00:42:05.440 evidence as i had at the time well it turns out that the woman who sent the email to the farm shop

00:42:13.200 back in july's also the woman who did the dirty on marco elez the doge which whiz kid who was exposed 0.62

00:42:21.440 as having an anonymous account where he said very very naughty things like um i wouldn't marry somebody

00:42:29.680 of a different ethnicity and i was racist before it was cool um uh but anyway so uh we naughty in-group

00:42:38.640 preference yeah it's just not allowed it's not allowed i know i just just a quick side isn't

00:42:43.440 it interesting how they keep doxing people's out who have you docs well phd bodybuilder who docs

00:42:47.920 one of the most intelligent new young people in the group yeah docs handsome married chad like what what

00:42:54.480 is going on why are these people why do these people have to live underground online you know

00:43:00.960 yeah this is the question it's it's a good it's a good question it's a very good question but um so

00:43:07.040 with this so this is her this is katherine long uh who i i mean it doesn't actually say that much about

00:43:13.040 what she did before she was a business insider but that's a big thing in the piece i wrote for american

00:43:18.640 mind she uh she went to a um uh ivy league university she did her ba in middle eastern

00:43:26.800 studies about iran she did a state department uh internship in turkey tracking weapon shipments

00:43:34.080 from iran she worked for us aid in central asia in tajikistan usa that's the important connection

00:43:41.920 uh she's fluent in farsi and tajik uh and i said in the the american mind piece look this woman

00:43:49.040 glows you know she's here in the dark i'm just gonna say it sounds like the fingerprints of

00:43:53.600 intelligence exactly and that's exactly that's exactly what i said but then you know i wrote this

00:43:58.160 piece for the spectator and i was told no it's tim for hack conspiracism of course yes the government

00:44:02.800 might be doing this anyway fast forward to last week and we have the big balls expose this is actually

00:44:10.960 the uh this is actually the uh letter that she or the email that she sent to the farm shop i don't

00:44:16.720 think that i need to read it out no it was yeah it's up there on my twitter account you can read it

00:44:22.000 and there's also a picture of it as well so you can see that actually it is real i didn't just make

00:44:26.640 that up um but this is the piece so she published a piece in the wall street journal this was her first

00:44:33.680 piece in the wall street journal sorry just as a quick thing my first piece in the wall street

00:44:37.440 journal is an expose on big balls yeah yeah yeah start as you mean to go on yeah what next what next

00:44:45.280 very prestigious so gravitas the sheer gravitas yeah yeah yeah it's yeah i mean it's what we live in

00:44:52.640 strange times yes we do time so anyway so this saga started off in a depressingly familiar fashion

00:45:00.560 you know oh here we go here's the first big test of whether cancel culture still works

00:45:05.520 right the american right has just been enthroned you've got donald trump with massive massive

00:45:11.840 popular mandate you know they're doing polling and 60 percent of people support his immigration

00:45:16.720 policies on both sides i mean there's a lot of support for him he's got the his first ever net

00:45:22.080 positive um favorability rating you know he spent the whole time his whole first term in a net negative

00:45:29.520 a significant margin yeah so i mean things are very different here and and so it you know we

00:45:34.880 were all thinking well you know it's just not gonna it's not gonna fly anymore it's not gonna fly

00:45:38.480 anymore anyway well it looked like it was going to fly because uh big balls had to resign he was forced

00:45:46.800 out very very quickly and we thought oh no here we go here we go we thought we were in a new era 0.87

00:45:52.800 where the trump regime was not going to give the left scouts yeah we did we did uh but no big balls

00:45:59.200 went but then there was a big backlash of course there was a big backlash uh elon musk ended up

00:46:05.760 commissioning a poll and when elon musk commissions a poll actually it's worth saying it changed his name

00:46:11.440 to hairy balls but uh you know when elon musk commissions a poll he's made up his mind already he

00:46:20.160 knows knows what yeah so he said should i reinstate marco ls bring back doge staffer who made 0.96

00:46:28.560 dude and him he knew what was going to happen they were going to say yes and they did in overwhelming

00:46:34.000 fashion and then you also had jd vance which was which was great uh chiming in and saying look it's

00:46:40.800 it's christian basically you know it's a good thing to do we shouldn't be ruining people's lives over

00:46:46.880 callow callow remarks they've made on social media at some point in the past and the i like vance's

00:46:54.560 position at the end there if he's a bad dude or a terrible member of the team fire him from that

00:46:58.720 yeah because it just historically the way that men have always validated themselves is by their work

00:47:04.400 yeah and i i kind of ran into this in the sort of you know mid 2000s 2009 when culture was becoming

00:47:13.440 more and more feminized because up until that point i was always obviously in the hard work of my jobs

00:47:18.160 and i was always one of the most productive people on the teams that i worked on and that mattered less

00:47:23.920 and less uh as we moved into a sort of more politically correct era and i found myself just

00:47:28.320 running up to i mean there was one particular example where i was working on migrating a database

00:47:33.120 and it was an important thing there was a deadline and so i was pulling over time i was just cracking on

00:47:37.040 with it and i had some woman coming over and trying to get some information off me or something like 1.00

00:47:43.360 that and i was like look i don't have it i don't have time to go look for it because i'm in the

00:47:46.160 middle of this thing and then i got called up with to hr because i basically told look you've got to go

00:47:50.720 away and leave me alone uh to get on with this mission critical work and this woman had reported 0.96

00:47:56.720 me to hr and i was called up in front of hr for quote-unquote harassing and i was like and they

00:48:02.240 they looked at they at least had the decency to look ridiculous uh you know it's like look i told

00:48:06.560 her to go away it's like yeah that's a form of harassment it's like no it's not she kept coming 1.00

00:48:10.720 over to me exactly she was harassing me if anything it's it's literally the opposite but the point being

00:48:14.880 by that stage by like 2012 or something whenever this was a man was no longer validated by the work

00:48:20.560 now it was about the political correctness and this ideological conformity exactly yeah and in fact

00:48:25.440 i think many jobs actually just function uh straight jackets for insurance absolutely they have an

00:48:32.400 they have an educational or indoctrination indoctrinatory function rather than uh a

00:48:37.920 function that could be measured using traditional metrics of success uh it's interesting interesting

00:48:43.680 quick question because i haven't followed this the big bull story at all um who fired mr balls in the

00:48:49.440 first place he resigned i mean he was obviously put under pressure to resign so um i don't know whether

00:48:55.280 elon musk spoke to him or what whether someone else but yeah he was he he resigned he was the big

00:49:01.520 bulls or wall street jones have to do the decent thing um and then we had donald trump of course uh

00:49:11.040 i think that donald trump did uh i did see the yeah so donald trump was asked at a press conference

00:49:17.920 and he said yeah give give give the kid his job back and that was it that was it you know that's

00:49:24.640 the end of it and that's how that's how um that's how simple it should be but um the point being though

00:49:32.240 don't give credence to the left oh we don't like this person who's a member of the team okay but we

00:49:36.400 do like him and he's doing a good job and the reason you hate him is because he's doing a good job

00:49:40.400 you wouldn't have spent all this time and effort finding out who he was in order to try and get him

00:49:44.400 fired if he wasn't presenting you with an active threat so the point being and this is what i think

00:49:49.920 is brilliant elon trump and vance all are like no we're not giving you the scalp you're not getting

00:49:54.720 the scalp the game has changed we're not bowing to this well so that's so that's one uh issue that

00:50:00.640 maybe we'll come back to in just a moment about this this whole affair about the is cancel culture

00:50:06.080 dead well i think it's on life definitely um the the issue really is just who controls the levers of

00:50:12.560 power um if elon musk is in the deciding seat well yes it seems it's pretty much dead however trust me

00:50:19.440 youtube is very much still alive yeah so the wall street journal you know giving this this ms long

00:50:25.760 more column space um it's obviously alive and kicking there yes it is and what's what's interesting

00:50:32.560 is further stuff has been dug up about katherine long stuff that i wasn't able to find uh including

00:50:40.800 links to this chap called travis brown who is a very very important kind of node actually in um a lot

00:50:49.520 of the kind of uh doxing and cancelling that goes on you know so he worked at twitter i think between

00:50:56.160 2015 and 2018 and there are suggestions that he was given a back door to people

00:51:01.840 private data and and you know had access to dms and stuff like that considering there are 75

00:51:10.480 something like that feds working at twitter it wouldn't be surprising if there was some kind

00:51:14.720 of network and if she does glow well it's not unreasonable to think she may be connected well so

00:51:20.640 it turns out that actually he is the only person who follows katherine long on github which and he uses

00:51:27.040 github to uh distribute so he does network analysis you know they love network analysis they map who's

00:51:33.440 interacting with with whom uh where etc in in what kind of way and they sell it to ngos and they sell

00:51:40.960 it to the kind of think tanks and government bodies as as some kind of detailed analysis i mean it but

00:51:47.120 works basically on the principle of tarring by association right it's like these accounts interact

00:51:51.680 with one another so they're all really evil they're part of some kind of far-right network yeah it's the

00:51:56.480 cooties theory of politics works the cooties theory of yeah i mean do you remember there was

00:52:02.240 one done on youtube in like 2018 or something that had richard spencer and ben shapiro directly

00:52:07.120 connected it's like sorry what are you suggesting the overlap between richard spencer and ben shapiro

00:52:11.840 why ridiculous absolutely anyway let's carry on time's sake but this but this guy yeah travis brown

00:52:17.840 you know he's been funded by the german government he works with ngos there's an ngo called hate aid

00:52:23.280 which is which is very very close to a to a meme that i created in um hate a hate aid which i called

00:52:30.640 i know which potentially could be an ngo that actually aids yeah yeah in propagating i mean that's

00:52:36.320 that's an idea for anybody who's got a you know funding from them but no that's quite close to a

00:52:40.960 meme that i did for uh manswell free i did i did a meme i did a meme called um hater aid for manswell

00:52:47.280 um uh but um uh and of course hope not hate you know he's i mean his the resources that he produces

00:52:54.240 these network maps that he produces which are very extensive i mean it's what he does full time

00:52:58.960 uh are used by all of these people so great work right yeah good guy wonderful wonderful stuff really hard

00:53:05.440 pat on the back in the interest of time though yeah should we carry on yeah sure and so um really

00:53:10.640 what this suggests to me is that i wasn't wrong to think that there might be a direct i mean so

00:53:17.520 travis brown's american as well so i think there's a transatlantic obviously a transatlantic link between

00:53:24.480 the email that was sent to the farm shop and this hope not hate docs i'm increasingly thinking that

00:53:29.680 actually maybe what was going to happen was that the there was going to be a big thing in business

00:53:35.360 inside a time to coincide with the hope not hate docs so that awareness of who i am was was uh sort of

00:53:42.640 maximum on both sides of the atlantic at the same time but because the farm shop owner noble noble

00:53:48.800 yeoman that he is of the you know uh he didn't he didn't didn't you know tell them but it goes way

00:53:56.800 beyond you though doesn't it he does what what this is is you're just one of the victims of this

00:54:02.320 honestly very secretive network whose jobs are to ruin people yes and they think that we're in an

00:54:08.160 era where if we can just reveal your name that's your life ruined and actually i've been following

00:54:13.200 the uh non-doxes and people haven't been no you've done fairly well yeah yeah so long as you've got a

00:54:22.880 phd and you're handsome and in good shape then you know you've got you've got nothing to worry

00:54:28.480 well they've yet to dock someone who doesn't so exactly it's almost like a badge of honor i mean

00:54:33.200 everyone at this table has been specifically mentioned by hope not hate for example just them

00:54:38.480 um and there's the striazan effect the only negative that happened for me luckily i'm lucky enough to be

00:54:43.280 employed by mr benjamin and get my uh wages from the like the generous lotus eater subscribers so the

00:54:49.360 only impact it had on me was i got more twitter followers the striazan effect it was literally

00:54:54.960 yeah the there wasn't anything bad it was positive actually so you know do another do another piece

00:55:00.400 of anything that's why institutions like this are important so we can weather the impact and uh just

00:55:06.640 come back stronger from it it's the entire point and so uh yeah i was just gonna end up i suppose by

00:55:12.400 talking about whether cancel culture is dead um i mean so i wrote a piece about uh it for info wars i

00:55:19.760 write the opinion opinion pieces for info wars now each week and um i just contrasted what happened to

00:55:26.720 marco elez with what happened to darren beatty so darren beatty uh was uh he's an academic and he's

00:55:34.240 like a philosophy phd did a did a phd on philosophy duke on heidegger i think and uh he was a big up and

00:55:41.200 comer in the first trump administration he was appointed to speak i mean he's a smart really

00:55:44.560 smart guy and he's very pragmatic as well you know he he actually understands how things work you

00:55:49.520 know he's not he's not just a theorist but he was employed as a speech writer uh and then lo and

00:55:55.920 behold not long after um somebody dug up some embarrassing material about him he spoke at a

00:56:01.200 conference where there were supposedly white national he didn't speak about anything on the topic

00:56:06.560 of white nationalism or any kind of controversial topic he spoke about i think the topic of his

00:56:11.280 paper was intellectuals and the right and so he just talked about like the modern right

00:56:16.800 tradition anyway he was he was just thrown to the world basically he was kicked out that was 2018 and

00:56:22.720 he spent seven years on the outside really but he's now back at the state department so he was he was

00:56:27.680 given a senior position at the state department he runs revolver.news which is you know news aggregated

00:56:32.880 website and he's done a lot of uh research uh into you know what happened on january 6th and and done

00:56:40.400 his best to look into the pipe bombing um basically hope the story that went away yeah funnily funnily

00:56:47.680 enough that went away but so i was just saying you know like actually uh looks like things are things

00:56:54.000 changing and maybe even what's happening in the us will have a salientary effect here so the other uh

00:57:01.040 the last link was just this trump's tariff threat prompt starmer to mile over water down social media

00:57:06.480 laws backlash so uh i mean it's not gonna make this country uh much better but i think it could have

00:57:16.720 some kind of some kind of salary any kind of slowing down of the censorship yes would be would be good

00:57:23.760 a little bit of breathing space would be nice i'll tell you that even the slowing down of the trend

00:57:28.480 is welcome yes yeah uh yeah sure you would yeah um right so uh sigil stone says they're sending big

00:57:39.440 balls on the mission to space he's about to hit uranus repeatedly uh not just string says can we have

00:57:45.200 a lotus eaters brit expat segment we nice to go somewhere a couple of years to have a pint then

00:57:50.560 safely away from starmer and uh let the blood pressure drop um probably not because i don't

00:57:55.360 think they'll care if we do something outside of the country just get us when we come back like

00:57:59.200 they do with callum so um don't risk it anyway let's moving on rent a boat and go just just three

00:58:06.000 miles out to international heroes in international waters and then we can talk about starmer and

00:58:11.440 yeah they'll just get us the second the rnli take us arrest us okay all right so i don't think on

00:58:19.920 loads we've talked about sort of the recent movements in u.s foreign policy um i am one of

00:58:26.320 the ones who talks about um ukraine and israel um so i thought maybe we could just talk about a few

00:58:32.400 foreign policy things that have happened in the last week or so the big one is probably on the israeli

00:58:38.080 front yeah israeli palestinian thing so trump came out with uh well neti came over to the white

00:58:44.720 house didn't he for a visit see trump tucking him in quite literally tucking him in at the table yeah

00:58:51.440 um yeah um well one of the first things i'll say is that uh is to because we're accused probably

00:58:57.680 rightly of being pro-trump partisans um well yeah absolutely yeah we're definitely pro-trump

00:59:03.600 parts yeah i've won i wore the maga hat like exactly um but no to make it clear personally for me as an

00:59:11.920 englishman i'm neither quranic nor talmudic i'm sort of pro um england yeah yeah right yeah you know so

00:59:20.560 um so i don't i haven't got a dog on either side of the fight but so but trump and the trump

00:59:26.080 administration are clearly um on the israeli side i mean if you even look at um that hegseth chap he's

00:59:33.280 like one that type of christian that's very pro-zionist um i mean um even angelic right yeah

00:59:40.160 if you look at um that mike huckabee you know there's footage of him literally putting symbolically

00:59:44.960 putting a brick in a west bank settlement building for example you know trump's into the wailing wall

00:59:51.440 and all that sort of thing right so okay so his for big foreign policy move is to sort of double triple

00:59:59.920 quadruple down on sort of the israeli side of the ledger yeah effectively um so well so the big thing

01:00:06.480 was that he said basically said we'll take over the gaza strip the us this is we the us will take over

01:00:13.680 the gaza strip and take control of it um was basically exile the gazans to jordan in egypt

01:00:20.880 and redevelop it with no right of return for the gazans right i mean that's

01:00:25.920 that's a move that's certainly not something anyone was expecting well oh god so i mean

01:00:32.640 i wasn't expecting that i think it's been so i wrote a piece in november 2023 well didn't jared

01:00:38.000 kushner say yes uh no it's no it's so these the israelis were saying look so this piece called gaza

01:00:45.120 in germany and it was about the fact that germans were making preparations to receive gaza migrants in 0.56

01:00:52.960 egypt there were these rumors they were preparing the german embassy in cairo in the grounds they

01:00:58.400 were building great big tents and stuff where they were going to process people before they went off

01:01:02.320 on like planes to germany but um uh senior members of the israeli cabinet were saying right from the

01:01:11.040 beginning the end goal of this is to displace the palestinians so belal smotrich who is a real he's like 0.84

01:01:18.880 hardliner of hardliners uh he said the gaza nakbar has about has begun then so nakbar is the uh

01:01:29.280 palestinian word for uh disaster and that's the word that's used to describe the events of israel's

01:01:36.480 establishment 1948 so you know so it's that was the nakbar when they were displaced from their

01:01:42.000 ancestral homelands and pushed into these enclaves and so what belal smotrich was saying was look like

01:01:47.520 we're completing that process now we we're going to get the ghazans out of the territories of israel 1.00

01:01:54.480 uh and netanyahu i mean that was a pretty incendiary thing to say right netanyahu just said

01:02:02.480 people should be careful about what they disclose those that was based those are basically his words

01:02:08.320 like don't don't say too much basically is what he said but anyway then we had um op-eds in i think

01:02:15.520 the wall street journal uh possibly the new york times written by cabinet members uh former mossad

01:02:22.160 chief among them i think or or certainly members of the nessit i think one of them might have been a

01:02:27.120 cabinet member but members of the nessit saying look actually yeah this is this is the only way that

01:02:31.840 this is going to get resolved european nations western nations need to take the ghazans we need to

01:02:37.680 get the ghazans out of here because uh we can't live side by side you know each european nation 1.00

01:02:43.920 could take 10 000 of them and then you know they're they're all gone problem solved yeah why

01:02:49.600 can't the arab nations problem solved well right so but this is so they've been arabs they've been 1.00

01:02:54.560 saying this since november 2023 it hasn't got that much publicity and i mean i wrote that article was i

01:03:00.080 thought like look this is actually what's going to happen this is actually what's going to happen

01:03:03.760 this is going to drag on and they're going to say look this is intractable we've destroyed so much

01:03:09.120 of gaza they can't live here uh and we can't live with them anyway so okay they're going to have to 1.00

01:03:14.240 go somewhere else egypt and jordan egypt and jordan will say no and even if they did go to egypt and

01:03:20.000 jordan they'd go to europe anyway because who wants to live in a refugee camp in the in the desert when 1.00

01:03:24.320 you can try your luck in europe and do what syrians and kurds and turks and all these other people have

01:03:31.040 done so it's been it has been on the it has been on the cards it definitely has been on the card since

01:03:36.720 the beginning i would say well that was one of the worries i was going to leave to the end but i'll

01:03:40.880 just say now um that yeah i've seen in recent times uh recent days weeks um talking about places to send

01:03:48.000 them ideal locations would be places like ireland and spain um again that would be the end of the

01:03:55.200 problem then i imagine they'll just become spanish and irish people yeah um but yeah i mean there was i

01:04:00.640 got a bunch of links here but there was one particular one which i was uh interested it was from

01:04:04.800 chatham house which is you know a foreign policy sort of think tanky type type place and of course

01:04:12.400 um right near the end i think uh anyway i've got some quotes for me an article written there by

01:04:18.240 someone called ahmed abuda anyway it's funny you should mention the neckbar because he says

01:04:25.280 he says um about trump's plan nobody could be blamed for black for branding this plan a

01:04:31.040 second balfour declaration or perhaps a second neckbar um besides the indifference uh the plan

01:04:38.160 shows to palestinians identity and dignity trump seemed to ignore uh his guest uh ignore that his

01:04:45.520 guest at the unveiling of the plan benjamin netanyahu is responsible for turning gaza into a demolition

01:04:50.880 site in president trump's mind gaza is is perhaps a prime mediterranean location for real for a real

01:04:56.960 estate bonanza as the 80s businessman that he is i believe it right it's no surprise uh that this

01:05:03.520 is how a former property developer thinks um that there's one of even though it's obviously a completely

01:05:08.880 biased piece um it's that all some of that uh analysis is not wrong no that's fair um that's who trump

01:05:17.520 is um that's why i have i'm skeptical about this plan okay it removes the direct threat from the

01:05:25.440 gaza strip bouncing across into israel proper whatever um it just removes that to somewhere

01:05:32.400 else it doesn't actually fix the actual issue and if if anything it makes the palestinians

01:05:38.400 more radicalized right by displacing them i mean you know it's the the refugee camps the palestinian 0.99

01:05:45.520 refugee camps are where the terrorists are are bred you know i mean you grow you're a young man growing 0.99

01:05:51.120 up in that kind of environment being told that you've been displaced from your home i mean what

01:05:55.680 do you feel apart from hatred for the west hatred for israel um it's happened again and again and again

01:06:02.560 that people that are uh interred or imprisoned for being islamic extremists it just makes them they're 0.78

01:06:08.960 more hard line once they finally get their liberty it's it's concentrating them in a single area

01:06:14.000 yeah leaving them with infinite amount of time to continue stewing on their it's like what prison

01:06:19.360 does to hardened criminals it's the same thing but um it it pushes it makes the palestinians 1.00

01:06:27.360 someone else's problem someone else's problem within the middle east of course and egypt and

01:06:32.960 jordan know this they know you know if we take these people in uh it's going to be a disaster for us

01:06:38.400 it's going to you know jordan is a monarchy and and monarchs abhor instability and that's exactly

01:06:45.280 what you get when you have a foreign population coming in which is why they've been completely 1.00

01:06:49.200 unsympathetic to them yeah it's just smearing the problem from amman to dublin all over the place

01:06:56.800 in my in my opinion i mean this guy goes on to say for chatham house but for neighboring countries this

01:07:02.240 is a life or death matter egypt and jordan face existential threats from trump's proposal

01:07:06.880 displacing palestinians into their countries would destabilize their regimes i wonder why 1.00

01:07:11.200 fuel extremism and turn their territories into launch pads for palestinian attacks on israel 0.99

01:07:16.560 their peace treaties with israel would effectively be thrown into the abyss egypt has already signaled 0.94

01:07:21.280 that israeli moves to push for palestinians uh would amount to at the end of their peace treaty

01:07:27.440 in jordan the muslim brotherhood is a significant power in the parliament after the september elections

01:07:34.160 and the majority of populations of the palace are of palestinian origin uh where palestinians were to

01:07:39.760 were palestinians to be expelled from gaza the government in amman would be in danger of total 0.98

01:07:44.320 collapse i'm not sure how that follows but anyway a us tech us takeover of palestinian land would renew

01:07:49.840 the legitimacy of iran's proxies across the region if not trigger a regional war that might be a bit

01:07:54.480 extremist but maybe not far from the truth who knows we'll see but it is so it would be destabilizing

01:08:00.640 i get the idea that you turn the gaza strip into some sort of a prime real estate we'll turn it into

01:08:04.960 like a macau of the near east or a monaco of the near east and there'll just be hotels and casinos

01:08:10.000 there and it'll all be fun and games and it'll be great but i feel like it's actually as i say sort

01:08:16.000 of just smearing the problem further abroad doesn't actually do they will claim that it's a second nekpa

01:08:22.240 what sort of would be of course some level what's what's interesting about this as well of course is

01:08:26.880 that you know i mean trump is presented as the antithesis of neocon right i mean he was opposed

01:08:31.920 to iraq and he spoke up about you know his opposition to iraq and to america's wars in

01:08:36.960 the middle east i mean he's been very consistent about that in recent decades uh and it was a central

01:08:42.480 pillar of his uh foreign policy and his america first it is a central pillar of the american first

01:08:48.000 agenda right just stop getting involved in these blood baths in the middle east and yet here we have a 0.92

01:08:53.680 policy that could very well destabilize the entire region not just pockets of the region or

01:08:59.280 or regions of the region but actually the whole thing from egypt you know right through to the to

01:09:04.320 the borders of turkey and the borders of central asia i mean it's or mentioned there even iran's

01:09:10.320 proxies i mean you can imagine the mullahs of tehran just pointing to that and saying look the great

01:09:15.280 devil is doing it all over again um so i'm i don't know how to feel about this because i i watched

01:09:24.560 trump's uh initial speech where he said uh what was it there was some interview actually where he was

01:09:29.360 saying look if we don't do this then it's just going to be the same problem for 100 years true

01:09:33.600 which is obviously true and so there's something of the kind of gordian knots about this solution

01:09:38.720 which yeah it there are going to be probably unforeseeable consequences come from this um but

01:09:46.080 it does solve a problem not to the liking of the people of gaza obviously um but 1.8 million people

01:09:54.640 is a large number but it's not an insurmountable right so if you were to be trump and essentially

01:10:02.160 bully other nations say look you can take 20 000 gazans and you know across the arab world or something

01:10:07.520 uh we're gonna we're gonna give you loads of aid we're gonna need a town for them or something

01:10:12.320 like this or maybe if it was done i mean the way i personally would do it would be like the assyrians

01:10:17.360 just split them all up so the ethnic group in a generation or two just stops existing this is what 0.99

01:10:22.720 happened with the 12 tribes of israel the assyrians solution which is just deport them and then spread 0.99

01:10:27.680 them around the necker rib style yeah yeah i mean like if if this is the policy i mean this is a

01:10:34.880 standard imperial policy that trump has followed he's kind of formalizing the empire here saying

01:10:39.200 that we're just going to take that territory i'm going to deport this population and they're going 1.00

01:10:42.160 to go live somewhere else um i'm not like the one thing this does is break up networks right you can

01:10:48.160 break up the sort of hamas networks in the palestinian population and essentially make it unfeasible for 1.00

01:10:55.360 them to coordinate if some of them are in turkey some of them in syria some of them are in man then you have

01:11:02.720 resolved this issue and like i said it's kind of a gordian knot now i'm i'm not saying that this is

01:11:06.640 all you know this is a good idea or that we should do this or anything like that um but like like he

01:11:13.040 said it does resolve a problem so i'm not and yeah well which is also by proxy for america the question

01:11:21.600 is containment i think the question is containment because like i say you send them to egypt and jordan

01:11:27.360 can you keep them in egypt and that's the question you know because you will have people who will

01:11:32.000 willingly take them across the mediterranean to italy wherever um and what you're also going to have

01:11:38.320 as well what we also have to would have to reckon with i mean we're talking hypothetically

01:11:42.160 here of course is what will the european response be to this will olaf schultz say like

01:11:48.560 angela merkel via schaff and that you know these people don't want to go to egypt and jordan

01:11:53.840 come here instead come to germany and said we can take you because we need to prop up our

01:11:58.720 our pension scheme iris government is entirely like yeah so actually um they will be given and

01:12:06.480 trump can't control germany and ireland uh and so it just i mean to me it just looks like okay this is

01:12:14.160 going to get knocked even or kicked further down the line and it's just going to be a european problem

01:12:18.960 once again and i feel like it is an intractable it's sort of a political impasse ultimately i mean

01:12:26.880 that i'm trying to make sort of a value free judgment on that um it just seems to be that

01:12:32.080 just seems to be the case i mean if you look historically at egypt and jordan particularly

01:12:35.840 jordan they don't want them if you go back to sort of the 60s 70s 80s even into the 90s when

01:12:42.640 the yasser arafat years and the the plo in the end jordan had to just expel them all and say that 0.95

01:12:48.160 we're just cutting ties with you guys you're you're too crazy sort of thing they and nothing essentially

01:12:54.000 has changed i imagine the king of jordan just doesn't want to take loads and loads of guards

01:12:59.520 gazans it's not in his interest to do so and i've heard other people say well if these palestinians are so 1.00

01:13:06.480 fervently pro arab think of themselves as arab first and foremost even though the actual reality is

01:13:12.400 quite different than that anyway why not why can't saudi arabia take them saudi arabia don't

01:13:17.360 want them absolutely don't want them in the in the final bit i'll quote from this chatham house

01:13:22.320 fella he says um that talking about this trump plan this explains saudi arabia confirming its

01:13:28.400 unwavering opposition a position on palestinian statehood after the announcement yeah uh five arab

01:13:35.440 foreign ministers including from saudi arabia the uae and qatar refused to displace uh refused to

01:13:40.720 displace palestinians in a letter to the trump administration so they don't they don't want 0.97

01:13:46.160 them either you know maybe not every single person palestinian that lives in uh gaza but but hamas

01:13:53.440 politically hamas are a headache for anybody for absolutely anybody because of course their 1.00

01:13:59.360 political position is a very very difficult one to ever come to terms with they don't really want to

01:14:06.160 come to the table so the thing about trump's plan is you know the idea that is it just saber rattling

01:14:11.920 is it just the opening gambit in trying to make a deal or is it it spells the end of any sort of two

01:14:18.240 state solution but my opinion was that that was never on the cards anyway that was sort of a fiction

01:14:24.080 from birth yeah fantasy from birth so but now that seems to be truly dead in the water like to have a

01:14:29.440 palestinian state i guess all that is over with now well the part but the well the thing is that

01:14:35.280 you'll have a palestinian state and they'll elect hammer and so israel will be unhappy about that 0.91

01:14:40.160 we're back to step one but um i mean i don't i don't care about israel no i don't i just don't i just

01:14:48.320 don't i don't i couldn't care less so long as it's not europe's problem and all i see here is that it's

01:14:55.200 going to be europe right but um you know i mean you've got people saying okay well what trump is

01:15:00.240 doing actually is you know this is the art of the deal this is trump coming in it's like when trump

01:15:04.720 took over woolman rink in new york you know and was doing up the ice rink and you know playing off the

01:15:10.320 city authorities against all these different contractors and all this kind of stuff uh this

01:15:14.800 is just trump coming in and being unpredictable and scaring people and and maybe making them think that

01:15:22.400 he's so unpredictable he's so gung-ho that he's actually just going to kick the gazans out of

01:15:27.280 gaza and then they've got to they've got among themselves they've got to come up with a slightly

01:15:31.040 more realistic solution sometimes i think maybe that's the case but i think he's serious about this

01:15:36.320 yeah more and more and more i think that actually this fits with what the israelis were saying from

01:15:40.640 the beginning people like bel al smock rich etc netanyahu obviously wants it i mean why wouldn't

01:15:46.320 netanyahu want it this is perfect and netanyahu's support is growing in israel i mean it's more popular

01:15:52.320 than that because i would imagine that if this happens netanyahu will be elected for life i mean

01:15:58.400 you know this is the i won't say uh the two words that i shouldn't say one of which is solution to the

01:16:05.440 um but it is a but it is a long-term solution yeah it's uh yeah it's an it's an it's an ultimate

01:16:11.760 um end to the problem and the left aren't wrong when they say well this would be a cleansing yes it would

01:16:16.160 um i mean i think it's sort of both it's both sort of bluster and saber rattling and um a

01:16:25.440 particular gambit in a process of making a deal and deadly serious and he means it at the end of

01:16:31.040 it all there'll be an aircraft carrier off the coast and marine sent in sort of it's sort of both

01:16:36.480 that's what american foreign policy has been for a long time whether since the war i suppose um is

01:16:41.200 that there's lots and lots of talk big talk and sometimes when it comes down to it uh the marines

01:16:47.680 get sent in and and that is a realistic possibility i think it's both i think it's both those things

01:16:54.080 well i think the one factor actually that we need to consider is uh domestic support so in the us this

01:17:01.200 is not popular they've done polling about this nobody wants trump to do this i wrote i think i wrote

01:17:06.800 about this for info wars at the weekend you know like people are really happy about trump's

01:17:11.600 immigration policies they're really they're really happy about him in general but they're not happy

01:17:17.440 about this a small minority 15 i think people polled say they agree and and then the rest either

01:17:26.000 either sort of mildly disagree or vehemently disagree so i i think he will

01:17:30.320 he will he will have to pay attention i think probably will pay attention to what people think

01:17:37.040 but how much i don't know the question is is there anyone who can stop him from doing this

01:17:42.160 and no one's acting like they can everyone's sort of sat back and gone oh trump's going to move the

01:17:48.880 entire population of gaza and no one's jumped up and said well we're not going to let that happen 1.00

01:17:53.680 uh everyone's just what does that mean for the rest of us so it seems that everyone can sense that

01:17:58.880 trump is able to do this and so the question is well if there's no one no one standing in his way

01:18:03.600 and he's never going to stand for re-election again how i mean i suppose the midterms are the

01:18:07.600 only real concern right but how much of a deal breaker is this for those voters because it's a

01:18:12.880 long way away and it's kind of abstract for a lot of people so yeah they might on paper say you know

01:18:18.640 i don't agree with that but i'm definitely voting for the closed borders and as far as far as an

01:18:23.760 intervention in the middle east you know this isn't the same as war in iraq or afghanistan

01:18:27.600 this will you could get this done in in a period of months yeah six months and then it would and

01:18:33.600 then it would go away rather than being a link i mean it would be a i think a disastrous intervention

01:18:37.920 in the middle east but it wouldn't be it wouldn't be as you couldn't track it in the same way that

01:18:42.560 you could track a war that is ongoing we've got american soldiers dying all the time huge expenditures

01:18:49.040 massive negative media publicity the whole time yeah i mean i think he could do it yeah he could do it

01:18:55.840 very quickly i mean gaza is not a big area it's just basically one large city in a bit of hinterland

01:19:02.080 so it's not like it's iraq or afghanistan so this is a different kettle of fish and one step further

01:19:07.840 than you saying where there's there's no real voices standing against him in fact around the cabinet table

01:19:12.640 some of the big voice yeah like that exit guy at the head of the pentagon now a defense so he's i

01:19:19.120 imagine i haven't actually heard him explicitly say but i can only imagine he's completely on board with

01:19:23.840 some project like this um and the thing is if they took a kind of a syrian solution to and just

01:19:28.080 dispersed them in small numbers around all of the arab states and trump basically gave him huge amounts

01:19:31.920 of money to shut up uh then in a generation it's entirely possible the palestinian identity disappeared

01:19:38.800 right and so in 20 years time it could be one of those things where it's like well that actually did

01:19:43.920 just solve the issue not to everyone's liking but the fact that this doesn't come up anymore and it's

01:19:49.360 not you know there's no terrorism coming out of gaza i'm not saying that won't happen but i think

01:19:54.160 that's quite optimistic i'm not i'm not saying i'm not saying will happen i'm saying sure it could

01:19:59.120 happen a possible future looks like that i'm not saying that's what's going to happen the narrative

01:20:03.680 of the neck but so far has only seemed to grown over the decades but that's because they're

01:20:08.320 concentrated in a particular place with us with a shared identity in history right if they are scattered

01:20:13.840 that goes away there's still the west bank though is it there's still the west bank but also i think

01:20:18.400 different fish really of a different political stripe anyway i was just gonna say i think you

01:20:23.760 also have to reckon with the fact that actually there are people abroad like leftist activists

01:20:29.280 across the western world and ethnic minorities across the western world who over identify with

01:20:33.600 the palestinians i mean the palestinians are like this sort of floating signifier for western

01:20:38.000 oppression right so maybe even if you know the the palestinians in who remain in the

01:20:43.680 middle east stop being palestinian there will still be people in the west they remember the 0.99

01:20:48.560 palestinians yeah there will be we remember what was done to the palestinians i i think i think it's

01:20:53.840 a question of incentives right because you're obviously going to have the sort of hardline

01:20:57.520 network of hamas if that's broken up and that weakens okay well and good but like i i you know i

01:21:03.520 saw like an interview with a you know palestinian grandmother and she's like oh no i'm sick of all 0.99

01:21:07.680 this i'm just gonna go to turkey it's like okay great i mean

01:21:13.680 that works for a lot of people right like so like i i don't know like how much of this

01:21:19.360 is the sort of hyper narrative of leftists being like oh no blood and soil national nationalism for

01:21:24.000 the palestinians how much of it is actually we would just like it if we got israel off our neck 1.00

01:21:30.240 you know and we just like to get on with our lives you know so i i don't know i'm not saying i feel 0.82

01:21:34.400 like it's just a many-headed hydra you could get rid of kill all with the hamas leadership

01:21:39.840 they'll just be another organization there will just be the alex and martin brigade or something

01:21:45.360 it's like the plo um they'll just be it will just give itself another name but anyway while we're

01:21:50.640 talking about uh foreign policy just a couple of and finally points are we talking about trump's

01:21:55.520 foreign policy uh the next link they said if uh if iran try and assassinate him they're just gonna

01:22:01.360 obliterate iran okay that's well that clearly seems like saber rattling but well but the interesting

01:22:08.080 thing about that backed up by reality perhaps but the interesting thing about that of course is that

01:22:13.440 uh throughout the election campaign then there were threats against donald trump's life

01:22:18.400 from iran or at least it was you know the many of the threats against his life were presented as being

01:22:24.080 from iran so i wrote at the weekend about um this story that apparently the secret service shot down a

01:22:29.440 drone over trump's motorcade in pennsylvania with an electromagnetic weapon of some kind and um

01:22:37.440 i mean when i was there for the inauguration and they were terrified of grown

01:22:41.040 hell uh all the humvees that were that were deployed had these kind of special radar domes

01:22:45.840 and there was funny stuff going on at the airport as well where i think they were clearing the airspace

01:22:50.480 uh and i think they had the inauguration indoors they really were worried actually because it wasn't

01:22:55.680 it wasn't that cold i mean it was it was it was chilly old but it's chilly but it wasn't that cold and um

01:23:01.280 it was cold during biden's inauguration and they were all out for that so yeah so i think i mean i

01:23:06.720 think that this is actually this is actually a a nod to that as well i think and uh and to the kind of

01:23:16.960 threats that occurred during the election campaign as well as the ongoing threats you know about

01:23:20.320 solomany where they're just going to mention yeah reprisals for that one um so okay next uh last

01:23:26.800 thing to say then just trump on ukraine make it starting to make some noises uh he wants ukraine

01:23:34.000 to give america 500 billion dollars back or at least it's not going to happen or at least make some sort

01:23:39.280 of deal for resources and materials i think a resource deal will happen yeah absolutely i reckon

01:23:47.360 because the zelenski was doing a um like a sort of photo op about it there was a picture of him where

01:23:53.920 he was sort of standing over a map pointing at you like silver deposit stuff there's no doubt they'll get

01:24:01.520 rare earth minerals stuff i mean what why would so anyway right let's uh let's go to some comments

01:24:08.240 since we've got five minutes left um we'll do the video comments another day just because uh we're

01:24:13.200 like lack of time frankly um uh bleach demon says i solidly believe that one of the root causes of

01:24:19.360 this internalized destruction of the zuma patriotism is the lack of nationalism brackets not the orwellian

01:24:25.200 tripe definition there's no feeling of pride and duty to preserve culture and national identity and

01:24:29.840 that's true and we're going to move on to another comment that i think uh sort of buttresses this from

01:24:34.640 raw leg nationalist uh who says many zoomers hate britain for many uh all they have known is decline

01:24:41.920 apathy bureaucracy and the undermining of their own culture for some like myself i feel a sense of

01:24:46.720 identity with britain and see myself as part of cultural and ethnic continuum but for those not

01:24:51.040 as educated or conscious of the events around them i can absolutely understand why they think differently

01:24:56.560 i think that's exactly true like the if the term nationalism is being used to

01:25:00.480 mean a personal attachment to the country and people around you in a very deep and abiding

01:25:07.760 sentimental way then why would you as a zoomer have that like you've been deliberately dispossessed 0.87

01:25:12.880 from government policy from almost everything that we of our age inherited without thinking about it

01:25:20.000 like especially i was in a military family like it was a very patriotic environment i grew up in

01:25:24.240 because i was on military camp so you didn't even think about it it's like yeah there's there's flags you

01:25:28.480 know of course there's flags you know of course we're going to make sure the argentinians don't 1.00

01:25:31.840 take the fault of course we are you know it was a natural assumption that we we were you know we

01:25:36.880 were living in the uh the infrastructure of the armed forces of britain obviously we're pro-britain you

01:25:41.360 know there's no leftist subversion that i saw when i was growing up but i can't even imagine what it's

01:25:46.480 like as a young person now it must be uh atrocious someone like emily thornberry trying to force

01:25:52.480 scorn on you merely for owning a saint george's flag or something oh yeah um henry says uh oh it

01:26:00.160 sounds like the time to buy an ice cream maker uh are they any good uh yeah they are they are there's

01:26:08.160 there's a a model called the ninja creamy which is very which is very good but my wife was asking

01:26:13.840 about getting one i was like why would you need that well you don't so i mean two two recipes i'll

01:26:18.480 post them again today uh i've done two recipes for no churn ice cream and it's very very simple

01:26:23.360 there's one uh with condensed milk that's delicious and it's so easy it's uh cream which you which you

01:26:30.880 whip uh condensed milk and then flavoring and that's it you mix it up together with flavoring and put it

01:26:38.160 in the freezer and then you freeze it and it's and it's it's as good as restaurant quality ice cream

01:26:42.800 without five minutes no uh theodore says trump's proposal for gaza as it's been presented

01:26:50.080 supporting palestinians with no right of return would constitute ethnic cleansing a form of genocide

01:26:54.400 one can only hope it is simply his big ass strategy um i don't think this is a big ask that's the thing 0.72

01:26:59.040 it is he absolutely is discussing ethnically cleansing i'm gonna have a bloodless ethnic cleansing right 0.90

01:27:05.360 just re-migrating people it doesn't mean massacre yeah yeah right but the the thing is the as you said

01:27:11.040 the two state solutions obviously never the table really and so the question is which side ethnically

01:27:17.440 cleanses the other they're both demanding and so and also we're actually we are still very much in

01:27:22.960 an era of ethnic cleansing so nothing was said about the um uh azerbaijani cleansing of of armenian

01:27:31.360 enclaves right pakistanis removing all of their afghans but you know but you know american christians

01:27:36.960 evangelical christians had nothing to say about armenian christians being hundreds of thousands

01:27:43.280 and like 300 000 yeah being driven off their off their homelands by azerbaijani 1.00

01:27:51.040 no one and so and so it happened it happened and it's and it's just the state of affairs now you

01:27:55.760 know that's the reality i mean there are so many examples in the 20th century after world war ii

01:28:00.640 as well i mean when were the greeks essentially kicked out of turkey uh and cyprus and west well

01:28:06.960 in cyprus in the 70s that was afterwards because there was a kind of mass exchange of populations

01:28:12.160 that was the 20th it was in the 20th century yeah it was in the 20th century it was in the 20s i think

01:28:16.880 right it was in the 20s and 30s and then of course you've got post-world war ii the end of

01:28:20.720 prussia basically and yeah germans being kicked out of eastern europe and then you've got turks uh

01:28:26.000 colonizing half of cyprus and various other things so it's it's not like within living memory this has

01:28:31.760 been happening and israel the creation of israel is another example of this and like you say literally

01:28:37.760 last year hundreds of thousands of armenian christians kicked out of the homes in azerbaijan

01:28:42.640 so it's okay well we we agree that these sort of things still happen and they are valid and no one

01:28:48.400 cares unless it's their personal interest group that's affected yeah it's not the legality no one

01:28:53.680 question recognition of the of the status of the de facto state of affairs yeah and trump is just

01:29:01.120 being very unsubtle about this as he is in everything he does but again that's kind of why

01:29:06.320 i like trump but um yeah anyway so we'll we'll have to leave there uh charlie where can people find more

01:29:11.680 from you uh you can of course follow me on twitter baby gravy nine is my is my uh now legendary handle

01:29:18.560 uh i've got a substack roegstack.com uh mansworldmag.online is mansworld magazine i've got a new

01:29:25.520 book coming out uh with passage press soon that's passage.press uh the last men liberalism and the

01:29:32.160 death of masculinity so right well thanks no it does it's exactly the sort of thing that concerns me

01:29:39.280 uh right thanks for joining us folks and we'll see you tomorrow

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1098

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