The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1102

00:00:00.020 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for the 17th of February 2025.

00:00:05.780 I am joined by Beau and I have the pleasure to introduce Henry Bolton and now I have quite an extensive number of things to say here.

00:00:15.020 So you've had an extensive political career including becoming leader of UKIP and you recently became a member of the SDP.

00:00:24.440 You had a long career in the army, didn't you?

00:00:29.500 You were a former police officer, you were an author and you've also been appointed an officer of the Order of the British Empire.

00:00:37.780 And I probably missed out some things there as well.

00:00:41.720 We'll be going through the entire podcast schedule listing off all the things but it's very nice to have you here today.

00:00:47.880 Thank you very much, it's a pleasure to be here.

00:00:49.680 And today we're going to be talking about how Britain has become a tyranny beyond parody.

00:00:55.620 Beau's going to be giving us a bit of light relief talking about the real identity of Jacques the Ripper,

00:01:01.580 which as we were saying just before we went on air is a condemnation of the state of politics that this is the relief talking about serial killer.

00:01:09.440 And then we're going to be going on to how the aesthetic of the UK with a Y and two O's is that of a dystopia.

00:01:21.900 And this is of course looking at how multicultural phenomenon has influenced the aesthetic of Britain

00:01:30.140 and changed it to something other than the Britain that we know and love.

00:01:34.020 And so I may as well get on with it.

00:01:37.220 So I'm going to be talking today about what it amounts to a large degree of judicial activism I feel

00:01:46.560 as well as some general things that I see as a form of tyranny from other branches of the state.

00:01:54.060 And I'm going to start off right away with this one.

00:01:57.800 And this I thought was just beyond parody.

00:02:03.200 It's a form of satire in a different age and a better time that a failed asylum seeker can stay in the UK 1.00

00:02:09.580 because she joined a terror group rather than, you know, she has her asylum claim rejected because of this.

00:02:17.600 Does that make any sense?

00:02:18.680 So I'll tell you all about it.

00:02:20.240 So she's a Nigerian migrant who had a case thrown out eight times before succeeding with a claim that even the judge himself admitted was not honest,

00:02:31.600 which one has to wonder why he allowed it in the first place then.

00:02:35.960 She had become involved with the indigenous people of Biafra pretty much seemingly only in order to create a claim for asylum.

00:02:45.220 And she came to the UK in 2011 and has been here applying for asylum ever since.

00:02:51.580 And she joined this group in 2017.

00:02:54.040 And the group itself is a separatist group that has been blamed for acts of violence against the Nigerian state,

00:03:00.040 which shouldn't necessarily be Britain's problem.

00:03:02.920 But they're classed as a terrorist organization in Nigeria, but they're not prescribed in the UK.

00:03:08.040 And it's a bit of a loophole whereby she can now be protected because if we deport her back to her home country,

00:03:15.220 then she will face persecution according to human rights lawyers.

00:03:20.160 However, she's willingly done this to get this asylum claim in the first place.

00:03:24.720 Cynical, isn't it? 0.93

00:03:25.340 Well, it's not just cynical, is it?

00:03:26.940 It's fraud.

00:03:28.840 If it's not, you know, she's not, she's doing this for that purpose.

00:03:32.260 It's a form of fraud here in the UK even.

00:03:35.180 And one could, I suspect, criminally perhaps even argue that case, trying to gain some sort of,

00:03:44.080 particularly if she was able to access as a result benefits or any sort of material benefit,

00:03:49.660 then you've got pecuniary advantage through fraud.

00:03:52.600 Well, so perhaps there's even a case there.

00:03:54.820 But I think that the point here is that there are also people behind this who have clearly advised her,

00:04:03.600 who clearly directed her as to how to avoid the deportation.

00:04:08.480 So we've got people who are actively working against the spirit of the law.

00:04:14.100 There are loopholes in just about every piece of legislation.

00:04:18.000 No piece of legislation, no matter what it's about, can foresee every single set of circumstances.

00:04:25.260 And that's one of the things about common law, really.

00:04:27.320 I mean, you look at the circumstances, you know, just accordingly.

00:04:30.620 Come back to that.

00:04:31.560 But in this particular case, we have got people who do not want to look, lawyers and others,

00:04:37.460 activists who are not looking at what the purpose of the law is,

00:04:41.200 but the actual letter of the law in a rather, as though it's codified law.

00:04:46.960 Now, we've been exposed, without talking about Brexit,

00:04:50.440 to sort of 40 years thereabouts of European Union codified law.

00:04:56.060 So, which is very much, you know, the letter of the law.

00:04:59.660 They don't have the same judicial system as us.

00:05:01.740 They don't have the common law system.

00:05:03.920 And as a result, I think a lot of our lawyers, a lot of our judges, 40 years, that's a career, pretty much, you know.

00:05:11.260 So, people have entered the legal profession being exposed to European legislation, which is a very different beast.

00:05:19.180 So, it's not about the spirit of the law and what it's there to do.

00:05:23.060 It's about the letter of the law, whereas our tradition is somewhat different.

00:05:26.780 Now, I'm not a lawyer, but that's how I see things as a former police officer and having dealt with the European Union,

00:05:31.700 worked for the European Union for three years.

00:05:33.320 And so, I think, you know, there is all of that that we've got to unpack as a nation.

00:05:39.480 Do we want law that has a purpose and we respect the aims of that law?

00:05:46.180 Or do we want to simply apply the literal letter of the law?

00:05:52.420 Now, that's what a judge is for.

00:05:54.620 A judge makes a judgment as to whether or not this is right or wrong, ultimately, in our tradition.

00:06:04.160 You go to, I don't know, Austria.

00:06:06.060 You can be an Austrian judge.

00:06:09.320 You go through your training and then you become a judge.

00:06:12.640 You don't have to have the experience because all you've got to be able to do is look it up.

00:06:17.540 Now, that's what we're doing here now, I think.

00:06:19.100 And it's being exploited because, as I say, no law can predict every single set of circumstances.

00:06:24.780 Like, this is a unique set of circumstances.

00:06:27.060 And we see it over and over again, that same application.

00:06:30.960 Plus, of course, we've got the problem here in the UK of the Human Rights Act,

00:06:35.380 which really, you know, linked to the European Convention on Human Rights.

00:06:40.000 And so, we've got all of that to unpack as well.

00:06:42.340 And when people say to me, well, why can't we just do what the Americans do

00:06:46.780 and, you know, just make a decree that we're going to do X, Y, and Z?

00:06:50.680 Well, the United States never tied itself to these sort of things.

00:06:56.260 It never tied itself to a sort of extra national or sort of higher multilateral form of legislation

00:07:05.700 like the European Convention on Human Rights.

00:07:07.580 So, we've got to untangle ourselves from that if we're going to solve these sort of problems.

00:07:11.320 And they are prolific, as I think you're going to maybe touch on some others.

00:07:16.000 It certainly will, yeah.

00:07:17.220 So, anyway, that's, you know, not really in a nutshell.

00:07:20.000 But I think there's a lot to this.

00:07:22.960 And there's no simple answer.

00:07:24.880 It's not simply activist judges.

00:07:27.560 That's part of the problem.

00:07:29.720 Yes, because there's this sort of intellectual sort of urban elite kind of attitude

00:07:35.160 regarding multiculturalism, regarding how society should look in the modern era, you know,

00:07:42.480 and into the globalist sort of agenda.

00:07:44.480 But all of that is there as well.

00:07:46.080 So, we've got a lot of work to do if we want to safeguard the British public.

00:07:49.800 I think there is this giant edifice, just this individual Nigerian woman. 1.00

00:07:53.300 It's obviously not in our interest to have her in this country.

00:07:57.820 But she's just the tiny pinnacle of the problem, as you say.

00:08:02.520 So, do you think it's too radical or too authoritarian to say,

00:08:09.080 let's look at this giant monster of the NGOs, the activists, the lawyers,

00:08:15.200 the nature of the judiciary itself, the questions of actual jurisprudence.

00:08:19.520 What should law be, and what do we need to do to actually prevent us

00:08:24.440 being exploited in this cynical way?

00:08:28.180 It should all sit with Parliament, right?

00:08:30.760 It should.

00:08:31.340 So, get rid of the Supreme Court, get rid of the ECHR,

00:08:35.180 anything that stands in the way from preventing this sort of thing

00:08:38.140 from happening to us over and over again.

00:08:40.420 It all should be looked at, and if needs be, got rid of.

00:08:44.140 I agree.

00:08:44.800 And this is a matter for our politicians.

00:08:46.820 And we, I mean, you know, without the Conservative Party in no way,

00:08:52.300 no how, let's get this clear, deserved anybody's votes at the last general election.

00:08:56.920 I mean, they made negligence, incompetence, have run this country right into the ground.

00:09:02.300 However, as I was warning before the general election,

00:09:05.740 be careful, because if Labour get in, particularly if they get a stonking majority,

00:09:11.940 we are going to have an even greater problem.

00:09:14.320 And people were telling me, no, Labour can't be as bad as the Conservatives,

00:09:17.180 no way, no how. 0.99

00:09:18.200 Well, we've got Labour, and they are a damn sight worse. 0.98

00:09:20.860 And that's part of the problem. 0.69

00:09:21.860 We're not going to be able to tackle any of these problems

00:09:23.680 as long as we've got a Labour government.

00:09:26.520 And, yeah, the Conservatives dug us deeper into the hole, I agree,

00:09:30.920 but through negligence and incompetence, as I say,

00:09:32.840 not through deliberate ideological policy, I think.

00:09:36.520 But that's maybe another slightly different discussion.

00:09:39.840 I agree with you that we've got to address all of those things.

00:09:43.020 I agree with you, effectively, what you're saying,

00:09:46.180 that Parliament is the authority.

00:09:49.560 The people are sovereign, but Parliament is the representatives of the people,

00:09:53.120 and therefore it is up to them to do democratic bidding.

00:09:57.220 The country is downright angry at this sort of thing.

00:10:02.400 It is not the democratic will of the British people, as exercised in elections

00:10:07.080 or on the streets or in any other way, that this should happen.

00:10:12.320 What they want is this sort of thing like this Nigerian woman, 1.00

00:10:15.960 they want that stopped and ended.

00:10:19.080 First problem, Parliament, elected representatives need to listen to the people.

00:10:25.600 I think we might touch on that later.

00:10:27.760 The second thing, though, is, as I say, it can't happen overnight.

00:10:33.060 Some politicians would have you believe that just having the determination,

00:10:37.780 the will, the courage to say,

00:10:39.800 no, get rid of these people and get rid of the Supreme Court 1.00

00:10:43.060 and cancel the Human Rights Act,

00:10:45.140 it can just be driven by personality.

00:10:48.540 Wrong.

00:10:49.100 Because we are, we have tied ourselves into these sort of various mechanisms and systems.

00:10:57.820 We have to untangle all of that.

00:10:59.920 And pieces of legislation very rarely stand alone,

00:11:03.400 like the Human Rights Act relates to the ECHR.

00:11:06.660 So you've got to untangle yourself from all of this.

00:11:09.260 We're tied in this net.

00:11:11.280 It's doable, though, right?

00:11:12.560 It's doable.

00:11:13.260 It's not a Gordian knot.

00:11:14.460 It's not beyond the wit of man.

00:11:17.280 No, but it's a very complicated knot.

00:11:19.020 Right, OK.

00:11:19.640 And we have to, we do have to untangle it.

00:11:22.360 I mean, you get a bit of fishing line.

00:11:23.940 You can untangle it, but by God, by the end of it,

00:11:25.940 you're going to be exhausted.

00:11:27.180 Oh, yeah.

00:11:28.400 But, so it's a bit like that.

00:11:30.080 It can be done, but it can only be done

00:11:32.960 if you've got the vision, the courage, the will,

00:11:36.700 the determination and the political support to do it.

00:11:40.140 And what we've done in the last general election

00:11:42.160 is not just hand Labour power,

00:11:44.960 but a massive majority.

00:11:47.280 And they are unassailable.

00:11:49.200 There are people who say, well, you know,

00:11:50.560 give it a year, 18 months, they'll be out or whatever.

00:11:53.680 They won't because they are not going to vote themselves out.

00:11:56.260 There's no way of getting rid of them at the moment.

00:11:59.040 And we're in a hole.

00:12:00.360 So this situation is going to get worse

00:12:02.040 and become more embedded.

00:12:03.480 That's my fear.

00:12:04.140 And no political party, really,

00:12:08.260 I won't go, I won't play party politics,

00:12:11.920 but I don't think really any political party is yet effective

00:12:14.680 in proposing how we untangle this.

00:12:19.600 There is, I will, we must.

00:12:23.020 They've got it wrong.

00:12:23.980 This is a problem.

00:12:24.680 But there's no solution out there.

00:12:27.700 There's no credible solution being put over

00:12:30.280 in a way that the people on the street

00:12:32.020 can either access or understand.

00:12:36.060 And that's a problem as well,

00:12:37.140 because then people follow.

00:12:38.600 We were talking before we came on air

00:12:40.200 about, you know, psychology of people

00:12:42.320 sort of following the group type of thing.

00:12:44.520 That's because they're not well informed,

00:12:47.000 because no politician is putting out there the real facts,

00:12:50.820 nor is the mainstream media, really.

00:12:52.520 So anyway, so you asked a fairly straightforward question

00:12:56.180 and I went off on one, sorry.

00:12:58.440 It's all very interesting.

00:12:59.880 That's just my opinion.

00:13:01.080 It's great.

00:13:01.520 It's why you're here.

00:13:02.620 Great stuff.

00:13:03.400 So I've got lots of other examples

00:13:04.860 that are probably rather infuriating,

00:13:07.080 but I'm going to go over them nonetheless.

00:13:08.600 Criminal avoids deportation to Portugal.

00:13:10.880 Remember, Portugal is supposedly a safe country,

00:13:13.620 a European country.

00:13:15.520 You know, people in Britain go on holiday there,

00:13:17.520 so it can't be that bad.

00:13:19.740 Because he has a child with special needs.

00:13:22.520 I imagine Portugal has the ability,

00:13:25.300 this child with special needs, I believe, has autism.

00:13:28.440 I don't think Portugal is so bad

00:13:30.300 as you could argue that it is completely uninhabitable

00:13:34.300 for people with autism.

00:13:35.900 I think that's a very tough case to argue.

00:13:38.920 Of course it is.

00:13:39.560 I mean, I...

00:13:41.020 But again, we go back to the letter of the law.

00:13:43.940 You know, judges aren't really, you know,

00:13:47.060 and some of these tribunals

00:13:48.640 are not looking at what is reasonable

00:13:52.180 or what is in the interests of society.

00:13:54.980 They are looking at the letter of the law.

00:13:57.140 And if you find some little, you know,

00:14:00.180 sort of...

00:14:00.840 some sort of gap in it, you know,

00:14:03.120 then you can exploit it.

00:14:04.720 That's the reality of where we are.

00:14:06.540 And then you get parliamentary time

00:14:08.460 taken up if they want to

00:14:10.080 and trying to close that little hole

00:14:12.080 rather than the judicial system doing its job

00:14:15.460 and the tribunal system doing its job

00:14:17.580 to make sure that the purpose of the law,

00:14:20.260 the spirit of the law,

00:14:21.220 is imposed on the case.

00:14:23.420 Now, I mean, you know, when you look at this,

00:14:25.380 I mean, I know people

00:14:26.220 who have emigrated to Portugal from the UK

00:14:28.760 because they think the conditions over in Portugal

00:14:31.380 are a great deal better

00:14:32.080 in all sorts of respects than here.

00:14:34.400 I don't know.

00:14:35.020 I've never been to Portugal.

00:14:36.820 So it's not a recommendation.

00:14:38.460 But, you know...

00:14:39.260 So it's not about safety and so on.

00:14:42.300 It is about...

00:14:44.300 It's about what's in the interest of the British people.

00:14:46.840 And the laws of this land

00:14:47.980 are the laws of this land.

00:14:50.960 And they are for the people

00:14:52.820 who live in this country,

00:14:54.460 not the people who would do it harm,

00:14:57.760 not the people who don't have a right to be here.

00:15:01.180 There's a...

00:15:02.200 You know, we've got to put the British people first. 0.97

00:15:04.360 And I have still yet, again, to hear...

00:15:07.960 I mean, yes, Nigel Farage and William Clauston,

00:15:10.920 they put, you know, the British people first. 0.79

00:15:14.240 But I have yet to sort of feel

00:15:16.500 that there is a movement in this country,

00:15:19.640 a political movement back into the House of Commons,

00:15:21.440 back into Parliament,

00:15:22.300 where our role is to enhance the confidence,

00:15:25.720 the optimism, prosperity and security

00:15:27.440 of every man, woman and child

00:15:29.080 living in the United Kingdom.

00:15:31.120 British citizens first amongst those.

00:15:33.660 I don't see that.

00:15:35.140 And I don't think that's rocket science.

00:15:38.060 But it seems to evade politicians of all sorts.

00:15:42.200 I very much agree.

00:15:44.780 And I'm going to bring up another example,

00:15:47.160 and they're going to get even more frustrating.

00:15:50.160 Zimbabwean paedophile allowed to stay in UK

00:15:52.460 because he would face hostility back home.

00:15:55.140 And I don't think we've exactly got a, you know,

00:15:58.380 a positive reception here either.

00:16:00.240 So I don't know how one can make that argument.

00:16:03.480 But I imagine it's the same sort of thing

00:16:05.200 that you were alluding to before.

00:16:06.460 And we're seeing even more sort of twisted, dark irony here.

00:16:13.040 Here's another one, again from The Telegraph.

00:16:15.140 They've been very good recently.

00:16:16.540 Pakistani paedophile escaped deportation

00:16:18.460 because it would harm his children,

00:16:21.040 which, you know, where do you even start with that? 0.89

00:16:24.540 It's just ludicrous, isn't it? 0.74

00:16:27.100 And look, to my basic way of thinking, 0.63

00:16:31.540 and I think probably a good 90% of the British population,

00:16:35.700 if a foreign national comes to this country 1.00

00:16:38.220 and commits a crime such as paedophilia, 0.99

00:16:42.580 then they damn well need to go home, 0.97

00:16:44.400 and I don't care what the consequences for them are. 0.95

00:16:46.540 They face the consequences.

00:16:48.720 He knows the law.

00:16:49.620 One of the problems we've got in this country

00:16:51.280 is a lot of people come to this country,

00:16:52.540 they don't want to integrate.

00:16:53.320 They want to bring with them their own culture, 0.99

00:16:55.220 their own...

00:16:55.740 And sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't.

00:16:57.760 But I think sometimes it creates tensions,

00:17:00.020 and again, we might talk about that, I don't know.

00:17:01.540 But if somebody comes to this country 1.00

00:17:04.580 not integrating,

00:17:07.520 wanting to live the way they do back in their home society,

00:17:11.160 back here in the UK,

00:17:13.720 and they commit a criminal offence,

00:17:16.860 they're doing so with that grounding

00:17:20.180 in their own legal system,

00:17:21.820 and their own social norms,

00:17:23.080 their own cultural norms,

00:17:24.240 back in the country that they've come from, 1.00

00:17:25.860 Pakistan or wherever.

00:17:27.920 So don't come here 0.94

00:17:29.860 and commit a sex crime,

00:17:33.100 particularly paedophilia,

00:17:34.720 and then expect to get away with it. 0.99

00:17:36.780 Damn well, 1.00

00:17:38.200 F off back to the place you came from, 1.00

00:17:40.740 and if you don't like the consequences,

00:17:42.520 well, you shouldn't have bloody well done it,

00:17:44.220 should you?

00:17:44.780 And that's how I see it.

00:17:46.240 You know,

00:17:46.420 we've got to look after the interests of the British people,

00:17:48.900 not foreign nationals.

00:17:50.240 It's for those countries to look after 0.79

00:17:52.680 and deal with the justice issues

00:17:54.220 and the criminal issues of those people,

00:17:56.680 not us.

00:17:57.140 What a state we're in

00:17:58.060 that even really needs to be stated,

00:17:59.940 or that that opinion

00:18:02.080 or your voice

00:18:03.380 has to be on some sort of alternative media platform.

00:18:07.640 I agree.

00:18:08.360 What a terrible thing.

00:18:08.820 It should be just de rigueur,

00:18:10.260 that yeah,

00:18:10.620 I don't care

00:18:12.060 that your country of origin

00:18:15.200 has got human rights abuses.

00:18:17.240 That's on you.

00:18:18.020 Again,

00:18:18.260 don't do the crime then.

00:18:19.540 Do you know what this almost implies?

00:18:22.440 Almost.

00:18:22.840 And probably some lawyer

00:18:25.760 who's not got the interest

00:18:26.880 of the United Kingdom at heart

00:18:28.120 but actually can make some money out of this

00:18:29.840 might one day argue,

00:18:32.100 and I hope no such person

00:18:33.500 is listening to us now.

00:18:34.980 I don't want to give them ideas.

00:18:36.700 But it almost says

00:18:37.800 if you are,

00:18:40.220 if you've committed paedophilia

00:18:41.600 in Pakistan,

00:18:44.260 then you can claim asylum

00:18:45.900 in the United Kingdom.

00:18:48.260 Now that's almost what this says.

00:18:50.420 You know,

00:18:51.080 if you're in the United Kingdom

00:18:52.220 and you do something like that,

00:18:54.420 then you can stay here

00:18:55.820 to avoid the consequences

00:18:58.500 back in your own country. 0.65

00:19:00.000 Well,

00:19:00.140 if you're already in that country,

00:19:02.620 the next step is to say,

00:19:05.280 come here

00:19:05.900 to avoid prosecution there.

00:19:09.840 It's a slippery slope

00:19:11.080 and I cannot grasp

00:19:14.000 how any politician

00:19:15.720 in Parliament

00:19:17.260 or anywhere else

00:19:18.620 can fail to stand up

00:19:20.380 and say this.

00:19:21.020 because by not saying it,

00:19:24.120 they're saying,

00:19:24.580 well,

00:19:24.620 it is,

00:19:25.220 it is

00:19:25.580 because it's back to that

00:19:26.660 confidence,

00:19:27.300 optimism,

00:19:27.720 prosperity and security.

00:19:29.020 You're neglecting confidence,

00:19:31.520 optimism,

00:19:32.080 prosperity,

00:19:32.600 well,

00:19:32.760 not the prosperity so much

00:19:33.820 but the security

00:19:34.520 most certainly.

00:19:35.500 And security isn't just about

00:19:36.640 guns and bullets,

00:19:37.820 it's also about this sort of thing.

00:19:39.100 Of course,

00:19:39.440 it's not just Pakistan and Nigeria,

00:19:40.800 it's any country

00:19:41.560 that's sort of

00:19:41.980 internationally recognised

00:19:43.100 as being guilty

00:19:44.280 of human rights abuses

00:19:45.700 where you might face

00:19:46.900 torture or an unfair trial

00:19:49.060 or something in the country

00:19:50.000 of origin.

00:19:50.420 So that's vast swathes

00:19:51.960 of the world.

00:19:52.780 Of course it is.

00:19:53.660 I mean,

00:19:53.900 we are very,

00:19:54.700 very lucky in this country

00:19:55.740 and sometimes we forget it.

00:19:56.960 I'm constantly moaning

00:19:58.280 and grumbling

00:19:59.220 about the state of the country.

00:20:00.380 We all are probably.

00:20:00.940 But actually we forget

00:20:03.520 that most of the world

00:20:06.720 is in a pretty poor state

00:20:08.680 and if we're going to say

00:20:10.240 that anybody who can receive

00:20:12.700 better health care in the UK

00:20:14.040 or is less likely to be

00:20:17.080 or more likely in the UK

00:20:18.820 to get a fair hearing

00:20:20.060 on something

00:20:20.680 or whatever it might be,

00:20:22.480 then we are opening the doors

00:20:25.220 in principle

00:20:26.200 to the majority

00:20:29.280 of the world's population.

00:20:30.940 Now then we come on

00:20:32.160 to the practical impact

00:20:33.440 as well as the cultural impact

00:20:35.340 and the tensions,

00:20:37.580 the social tensions

00:20:38.180 that brings. 0.90

00:20:38.920 But it's just ridiculous. 0.74

00:20:42.460 You can't do that 0.95

00:20:43.540 and survive.

00:20:44.960 What happens

00:20:45.680 is you don't level up

00:20:47.500 the rest of the world,

00:20:48.680 you level down

00:20:49.480 the United Kingdom

00:20:50.220 and the United Kingdom

00:20:51.340 can never be,

00:20:52.560 again,

00:20:52.980 if you do that,

00:20:53.960 what it was held up to be

00:20:55.080 for centuries really

00:20:56.740 as being the sort of bastion

00:20:59.100 of fairness,

00:21:01.720 of democracy,

00:21:02.540 of human rights,

00:21:03.440 of justice.

00:21:05.480 We're losing that

00:21:06.720 not because we don't still

00:21:09.300 try to build it

00:21:11.000 but because we are letting in

00:21:12.320 so many people

00:21:13.400 that compromise those

00:21:14.600 privileges.

00:21:15.260 There's also another dimension

00:21:16.820 to this

00:21:17.360 in that

00:21:17.940 people outside of Britain

00:21:20.700 are now aware

00:21:21.500 that we're a soft touch

00:21:22.840 on these sorts of things

00:21:23.820 and I'm reminded of

00:21:25.480 what one of my former colleagues,

00:21:27.160 Callum,

00:21:27.760 said.

00:21:28.100 He went out to Afghanistan

00:21:29.280 and spoke to the Taliban there

00:21:30.880 which,

00:21:32.280 you know,

00:21:32.700 hats off to him.

00:21:33.740 And they were saying

00:21:35.360 that,

00:21:35.820 well,

00:21:36.260 loads of our worst people,

00:21:39.440 you know,

00:21:39.660 the worst people in Afghanistan 1.00

00:21:40.820 have fled to Europe

00:21:42.080 because they've realised

00:21:43.080 that they can basically

00:21:44.040 get away with their crimes

00:21:45.480 more easily

00:21:46.360 in European countries

00:21:47.820 than they can in Afghanistan

00:21:49.320 and I think that we're seeing

00:21:51.100 that to a large extent.

00:21:52.300 Lots of other countries,

00:21:54.080 particularly those in North Africa

00:21:55.240 and the Middle East,

00:21:56.340 are pretty candid

00:21:57.740 about the fact

00:21:58.340 that the people

00:21:59.240 who are coming here

00:22:00.120 are their worst

00:22:01.480 and they're all too happy

00:22:04.020 to get rid of them as well

00:22:05.040 and of course

00:22:06.060 they're going to go to

00:22:07.480 a place where they can

00:22:09.400 do whatever they want

00:22:11.000 and this fact

00:22:14.040 is not only frustrating

00:22:15.260 from the point of view

00:22:16.780 that it's an injustice

00:22:17.760 in and of itself

00:22:18.660 but also that it promotes

00:22:20.360 further injustice

00:22:21.240 by advertising the fact

00:22:22.800 that this is going on

00:22:24.020 to other people

00:22:24.720 and there was a trend

00:22:26.100 that I managed to identify

00:22:27.360 actually

00:22:27.780 in who was actually looking,

00:22:30.580 what international outlets

00:22:32.560 were reporting on

00:22:33.640 the number of illegal

00:22:35.740 boat crossings

00:22:36.560 into Britain

00:22:37.180 and it was all of the countries

00:22:39.120 in which the majority

00:22:40.560 of the so-called

00:22:41.880 asylum seekers

00:22:42.540 were coming from

00:22:43.080 in the first place

00:22:43.820 and so what these media

00:22:44.980 organisations were

00:22:46.040 actually doing

00:22:47.140 is creating an advert

00:22:49.140 for these people

00:22:50.540 so I was confused

00:22:52.240 why the Afghani press

00:22:53.500 was concerned

00:22:54.440 about our border security

00:22:55.680 or some North African countries

00:22:58.760 and it's because

00:22:59.500 there's interest in it

00:23:01.020 because they want

00:23:01.780 to do the same

00:23:02.500 it's not that they look

00:23:04.340 upon us with sympathy

00:23:05.920 it's that they're looking

00:23:06.940 at us to exploit

00:23:08.160 our good nature

00:23:09.460 Indeed

00:23:09.900 and I for some time

00:23:13.320 was advisor

00:23:14.120 to the Albanian

00:23:14.800 Prime Minister

00:23:15.400 years ago

00:23:16.880 and I also headed up

00:23:18.460 the UK's efforts

00:23:19.400 to counter

00:23:20.160 transnational organised crime

00:23:21.580 coming from that area

00:23:22.820 of the Balkans

00:23:23.540 what's now the Republic

00:23:24.660 of Northern Macedonia

00:23:25.740 Southern Serbia

00:23:26.980 parts of Greece

00:23:28.440 Kosovo

00:23:29.260 and Albania

00:23:30.940 and

00:23:31.740 when

00:23:34.640 and I was also

00:23:35.720 in Kosovo

00:23:37.080 before the NATO bombing

00:23:38.180 You know a thing

00:23:38.700 or two about Afghanistan

00:23:39.480 I do

00:23:40.420 27 months in Helmand

00:23:42.580 yeah

00:23:42.800 but

00:23:43.960 he's not the only one

00:23:45.880 who's spoken to the Taliban

00:23:46.860 but

00:23:47.480 different

00:23:48.960 different topics perhaps

00:23:50.060 but

00:23:51.280 the

00:23:51.900 but

00:23:52.620 in Albania

00:23:53.860 when Tony Blair

00:23:55.460 opened

00:23:57.040 Britain

00:23:58.520 to

00:23:59.040 Kosovar

00:24:00.340 refugees

00:24:01.460 Sweden did 0.80

00:24:03.760 likewise

00:24:04.520 particularly Sweden

00:24:05.440 there were

00:24:07.180 a handful of us

00:24:08.600 because there were only

00:24:09.240 a handful of us

00:24:10.020 in the region at the time

00:24:11.120 who were saying

00:24:12.100 for God's sake

00:24:13.080 don't do this

00:24:13.920 because part of the war

00:24:15.060 in Kosovo

00:24:15.660 unknown

00:24:16.200 because this never

00:24:16.940 hit the mainstream media

00:24:18.260 everybody

00:24:18.600 had the idea

00:24:19.620 I mean

00:24:19.980 you know

00:24:20.280 I'm not backing any side

00:24:21.600 in this at all

00:24:22.200 but the Serbs 0.99

00:24:23.500 were the evil 1.00

00:24:24.320 nasty ones 1.00

00:24:25.080 and the Albanians 0.98

00:24:25.880 were the victims

00:24:26.540 because that was

00:24:27.040 against the backdrop

00:24:27.800 of the Balkan Wars

00:24:28.700 where the Serbs

00:24:29.340 had been

00:24:29.760 you know

00:24:30.140 but

00:24:30.680 but we were saying

00:24:32.380 actually

00:24:33.120 both are a problem

00:24:35.500 part of the problem

00:24:36.960 in Kosovo

00:24:37.500 and part of the trigger

00:24:38.320 for the war

00:24:38.900 in Kosovo

00:24:39.620 was Albanian

00:24:40.740 organised crime

00:24:41.720 and the Serbs

00:24:42.780 not having the

00:24:43.500 sophistication

00:24:44.360 if you like

00:24:44.800 law enforcement

00:24:45.480 or security

00:24:46.040 sophistication

00:24:46.840 to address it

00:24:47.860 you know

00:24:48.640 with minimum force

00:24:50.460 and in the appropriate

00:24:51.100 manner

00:24:51.460 so there were

00:24:52.200 two sides to that

00:24:52.960 but we were saying

00:24:54.380 to London

00:24:55.120 and to Washington

00:24:56.280 do not do this

00:24:57.740 do not bring these

00:24:58.580 people in

00:24:58.960 because if you do

00:24:59.800 you are just going

00:25:01.140 to have a flood

00:25:01.980 of organised crime

00:25:03.240 because organised crime

00:25:04.960 in that part of the world

00:25:05.900 was absolutely

00:25:07.500 prolific

00:25:09.040 particularly Albanian

00:25:10.520 I think we're seeing

00:25:10.740 the consequences of this

00:25:11.700 because I was actually

00:25:13.060 able to calculate

00:25:13.780 with the government statistics

00:25:14.780 that Albanians

00:25:16.220 relative to their

00:25:17.100 population

00:25:17.740 are 32 times

00:25:19.640 over represented

00:25:20.500 in our prisons

00:25:21.300 indeed

00:25:21.580 and that's actually

00:25:22.760 the highest

00:25:23.360 of any nationality

00:25:24.840 I think one in four

00:25:25.700 Albanians

00:25:26.400 in this country

00:25:27.100 if I understand this

00:25:27.940 correctly

00:25:28.280 has at some point

00:25:29.680 been imprisoned

00:25:30.560 in this country

00:25:31.360 now

00:25:32.040 with the Albanians

00:25:34.460 came human trafficking 0.76

00:25:35.660 sex trade 0.90

00:25:36.560 came a lot of

00:25:39.080 opiate

00:25:39.580 trafficking

00:25:41.040 a lot of

00:25:41.800 firearms trafficking

00:25:42.760 and when we talk

00:25:43.520 about borders

00:25:44.040 we talk about

00:25:44.520 the immigrants 0.70

00:25:44.980 and the boats

00:25:45.400 coming across the channel

00:25:46.800 but all of the cocaine

00:25:48.260 all of the heroin

00:25:49.440 about 97%

00:25:50.580 of the firearms

00:25:51.240 used in crime

00:25:51.820 in this country

00:25:52.180 come across our borders 1.00

00:25:53.280 illegally

00:25:53.700 okay

00:25:54.480 a lot of that

00:25:55.860 is down to Albanians 1.00

00:25:56.980 now we opened

00:25:58.340 all of that

00:25:59.240 now

00:25:59.500 what

00:26:00.600 surely

00:26:02.100 when you've got

00:26:03.140 one in four

00:26:04.380 of an immigrant 0.66

00:26:05.900 group

00:26:07.080 living in the UK

00:26:08.800 having served a prison

00:26:10.200 sentence in the UK

00:26:11.380 give or take a little bit

00:26:14.560 surely

00:26:15.820 if your interests

00:26:17.260 are protecting

00:26:18.260 the UK

00:26:19.320 and

00:26:20.200 enforcing the rule of law

00:26:22.520 it's time to say

00:26:23.760 no more Albanians 1.00

00:26:24.860 come into the United Kingdom

00:26:25.760 until

00:26:26.620 this is sorted out

00:26:27.720 Albania

00:26:28.460 point the finger

00:26:30.320 at Albania

00:26:30.840 but we don't

00:26:32.660 and I don't

00:26:33.920 understand it

00:26:34.540 I get so upset

00:26:36.660 because I see

00:26:37.880 this threat

00:26:38.520 everybody sees

00:26:40.000 this threat

00:26:40.480 and it is a threat

00:26:41.500 if you've got

00:26:42.940 four people in front of you

00:26:44.080 and you know

00:26:44.900 that one is an

00:26:45.780 international

00:26:46.280 heroin smuggler

00:26:48.280 then you've got a concern

00:26:50.360 you've got to

00:26:51.360 you know

00:26:51.860 you can't just

00:26:52.620 ignore that

00:26:53.380 but we are

00:26:54.520 it's back to

00:26:54.980 parliament again

00:26:55.780 and the government

00:26:56.180 so I think

00:26:57.880 you know

00:26:58.520 yes

00:26:58.980 they themselves

00:27:01.320 the Albanians

00:27:02.340 have been

00:27:02.820 incredibly engaged

00:27:04.560 on social media

00:27:05.860 in terms of

00:27:07.640 moving across here

00:27:08.460 but it's not just

00:27:09.040 social media

00:27:09.600 it's about the networks

00:27:10.920 of transnational

00:27:12.380 organised crime

00:27:13.020 and our police

00:27:14.020 are way behind the loop

00:27:15.440 the police

00:27:17.440 look at

00:27:18.180 what they call

00:27:18.780 cross county lines

00:27:19.920 it's not cross county lines

00:27:21.680 at all

00:27:22.000 that's an American

00:27:22.720 phraseology

00:27:23.560 it's actually

00:27:24.360 that terminology

00:27:25.200 in itself

00:27:26.060 kind of creates

00:27:27.100 layers of criminality

00:27:28.580 in the UK

00:27:29.000 which is inappropriate

00:27:30.020 in the UK

00:27:30.580 it's just a buzzword

00:27:31.960 that makes you sound good

00:27:32.920 if you're a senior police officer

00:27:34.040 the fact is

00:27:34.980 we've got transnational

00:27:35.920 organised crime

00:27:36.840 bringing all these

00:27:38.020 illegal commodities

00:27:39.020 into the United Kingdom

00:27:40.280 and we're doing

00:27:40.780 very very little

00:27:41.600 about it

00:27:42.220 very little

00:27:43.200 and when

00:27:44.620 because

00:27:45.160 we fail

00:27:46.420 one of the

00:27:46.940 I know

00:27:48.140 I'm talking a lot

00:27:49.420 forgive me

00:27:50.000 but in Russian

00:27:51.000 Bolton means

00:27:51.960 chatterbox

00:27:52.560 but

00:27:52.820 if you

00:27:53.900 if you

00:27:55.700 refuse

00:27:57.600 for whatever reason

00:27:59.180 to acknowledge

00:28:00.220 that a particular

00:28:01.400 part of

00:28:02.500 the British community

00:28:04.080 has a propensity

00:28:05.760 towards certain

00:28:06.600 criminality

00:28:07.420 then you are

00:28:09.800 failing

00:28:10.320 to

00:28:11.140 acknowledge

00:28:12.300 that

00:28:13.260 the problem

00:28:15.040 no put it

00:28:16.460 in a medical

00:28:17.140 analogy

00:28:17.620 if you

00:28:18.400 don't diagnose

00:28:20.960 the disease

00:28:22.440 correctly

00:28:22.900 either

00:28:24.820 you'll think

00:28:25.500 there's no disease

00:28:26.280 and you don't have

00:28:26.840 to treat it

00:28:27.340 or you'll apply

00:28:28.240 the wrong

00:28:28.520 there's a good chance

00:28:29.140 you'll apply the wrong

00:28:29.840 treatment

00:28:30.260 and possibly even 0.98

00:28:31.060 kill the patient

00:28:31.680 we're not diagnosing 1.00

00:28:34.020 this because we

00:28:34.580 can't talk about it

00:28:35.540 when I was a police

00:28:36.180 officer in Reading

00:28:37.140 at that time

00:28:37.960 the Pakistani

00:28:38.840 community

00:28:39.440 had a particular

00:28:40.220 propensity

00:28:40.780 young Pakistani

00:28:42.200 lads

00:28:42.600 towards

00:28:43.600 theft of

00:28:46.480 and from

00:28:46.940 motor vehicles

00:28:47.660 fine

00:28:48.980 you know

00:28:49.740 more so than

00:28:50.620 any other part

00:28:51.200 of the community

00:28:51.720 in Reading

00:28:52.140 we couldn't talk

00:28:53.920 about that

00:28:54.480 but then

00:28:55.960 so what

00:28:56.820 you have to apply

00:28:57.420 the same policing

00:28:58.140 methodology

00:28:58.600 to everybody

00:28:59.400 because you

00:29:01.300 can't say

00:29:01.760 well it's just

00:29:02.260 those people

00:29:02.940 in that part

00:29:03.480 of the town

00:29:03.940 it's wasting

00:29:04.660 resources

00:29:05.320 it is

00:29:05.640 so you see

00:29:06.260 my point

00:29:06.780 here

00:29:07.080 and we

00:29:07.580 don't talk

00:29:08.580 about

00:29:09.120 the fact

00:29:10.020 that most

00:29:10.540 a lot

00:29:11.380 of these

00:29:11.640 predatory

00:29:12.200 sex crimes

00:29:13.880 are committed

00:29:14.820 by people

00:29:15.520 from particular

00:29:16.420 societies

00:29:17.100 I'm not

00:29:18.060 going to say

00:29:18.600 Muslim

00:29:19.040 because there

00:29:19.560 are a lot

00:29:19.760 of places

00:29:20.120 Muslims

00:29:21.140 in the country

00:29:21.620 that absolutely

00:29:22.660 find this

00:29:24.280 abhorrent

00:29:24.880 but there are

00:29:25.940 other societies

00:29:26.960 other communities

00:29:27.820 in the world

00:29:28.800 from which

00:29:29.840 we've received

00:29:30.700 immigrants

00:29:31.120 asylum seekers

00:29:32.580 where it's not

00:29:34.540 where it's

00:29:35.020 acceptable behaviour

00:29:35.960 going back to

00:29:36.760 Afghanistan

00:29:37.200 the British

00:29:38.200 military were

00:29:38.880 very well aware

00:29:40.200 and had a bit

00:29:40.800 of an issue

00:29:41.300 with how to

00:29:42.600 manage the fact

00:29:43.360 that adult

00:29:45.020 men

00:29:45.460 would

00:29:46.120 particularly

00:29:46.960 district governors

00:29:47.860 would employ

00:29:48.720 T-boys 0.99

00:29:49.320 now these T-boys 0.90

00:29:50.640 they would

00:29:51.700 once a year

00:29:52.720 the district

00:29:53.200 governor would

00:29:53.740 gather

00:29:54.080 families would

00:29:55.380 come into the

00:29:55.920 compound

00:29:56.320 bring their

00:29:56.840 11-12 year old

00:29:58.360 boys in

00:30:00.300 to be

00:30:01.080 interviewed

00:30:01.960 and looked

00:30:03.020 at by

00:30:03.700 the district

00:30:04.420 governor

00:30:04.780 and then

00:30:06.520 employed

00:30:07.540 by the

00:30:09.760 district

00:30:10.020 governor

00:30:10.300 as the

00:30:10.660 T-boy

00:30:10.980 well the

00:30:12.020 T-boy

00:30:12.380 would be

00:30:12.720 sleeping

00:30:13.120 with the

00:30:13.460 district

00:30:13.700 governor

00:30:14.040 that's

00:30:15.560 the reality

00:30:16.460 and

00:30:17.100 if you want

00:30:18.340 details

00:30:18.780 that's not

00:30:21.400 something I

00:30:21.800 suppose

00:30:23.140 or I've

00:30:23.660 heard

00:30:24.000 it's

00:30:24.360 something I

00:30:24.680 know

00:30:25.020 and

00:30:25.820 then

00:30:26.420 those

00:30:26.660 families

00:30:27.120 would

00:30:27.660 gain

00:30:28.040 privileges

00:30:29.580 as a result

00:30:30.760 of this lad

00:30:31.740 being with

00:30:32.720 the governor

00:30:33.040 for a year

00:30:33.540 or so

00:30:33.940 that family

00:30:34.660 would get

00:30:35.060 the patronage

00:30:38.600 of the

00:30:39.020 district governor

00:30:39.580 so this is

00:30:41.120 normal

00:30:41.680 there's nothing

00:30:43.140 involuntary

00:30:43.960 about this

00:30:44.700 this is

00:30:45.360 normal social

00:30:46.660 behaviour

00:30:47.020 so when you

00:30:47.520 bring people

00:30:48.060 in from

00:30:48.400 those

00:30:48.660 societies

00:30:49.360 without

00:30:50.400 acknowledging

00:30:51.100 that

00:30:51.700 and you

00:30:53.740 don't

00:30:54.120 require

00:30:54.820 integration

00:30:55.660 which we

00:30:56.780 don't

00:30:57.200 you don't

00:30:57.940 make any

00:30:58.260 effort

00:30:58.640 there's 17

00:30:59.720 different

00:31:00.140 categories of

00:31:00.900 people who

00:31:01.580 come into

00:31:01.840 this country

00:31:02.220 who don't

00:31:02.960 have to

00:31:03.320 meet the

00:31:04.260 English

00:31:04.540 language

00:31:04.860 tests

00:31:05.220 so when

00:31:06.940 you do

00:31:07.280 that

00:31:07.640 then

00:31:08.340 you've

00:31:09.700 got to

00:31:10.120 expect 1.00

00:31:10.800 you're stupid 1.00

00:31:12.760 if you 1.00

00:31:13.060 don't expect

00:31:13.940 that sort

00:31:14.760 of behaviour

00:31:15.280 to be

00:31:16.240 transferred

00:31:17.040 and transplanted

00:31:17.880 into the

00:31:18.380 United Kingdom

00:31:18.940 by those

00:31:19.340 people

00:31:19.640 it will

00:31:20.500 be

00:31:20.720 it's

00:31:21.040 normal

00:31:21.380 for

00:31:21.640 them

00:31:21.920 they're

00:31:22.320 used

00:31:22.560 to

00:31:22.740 it

00:31:23.040 now

00:31:23.660 let's

00:31:24.660 not

00:31:24.820 even

00:31:25.040 judge

00:31:25.380 it

00:31:25.640 but it

00:31:26.540 brings

00:31:26.900 their behaviour

00:31:28.260 into conflict

00:31:29.060 with our

00:31:29.900 values

00:31:30.400 there we

00:31:31.740 have a

00:31:31.940 problem

00:31:32.160 I'll judge

00:31:33.140 it

00:31:33.260 it's

00:31:33.400 disgusting

00:31:34.000 completely 1.00

00:31:34.420 obscene

00:31:34.840 I know

00:31:35.460 I thought

00:31:35.980 you might

00:31:36.240 I do

00:31:38.380 as well

00:31:38.720 my point

00:31:39.760 is you

00:31:40.040 don't

00:31:40.320 even have

00:31:40.820 to judge

00:31:41.260 it

00:31:41.480 to know

00:31:42.160 that these

00:31:42.560 two

00:31:43.160 cultural

00:31:43.840 norms

00:31:44.640 if you

00:31:44.940 like

00:31:45.140 and values

00:31:46.140 and principles

00:31:46.980 are so

00:31:47.480 vastly

00:31:48.600 far apart

00:31:49.700 there's

00:31:51.280 no bridge

00:31:51.840 across

00:31:52.240 them

00:31:52.560 and that's

00:31:53.560 my point

00:31:53.940 even if

00:31:54.740 you don't

00:31:55.180 even judge

00:31:55.820 it

00:31:56.080 that's a

00:31:57.580 huge gulf

00:31:58.280 that is

00:31:58.780 going to

00:31:58.960 create

00:31:59.220 problems

00:31:59.680 in society

00:32:00.360 and if

00:32:01.960 you haven't

00:32:02.240 got a

00:32:02.420 united

00:32:02.700 society

00:32:03.200 you haven't

00:32:03.480 got a

00:32:03.680 society

00:32:04.040 you've got

00:32:04.680 friction

00:32:05.040 and then

00:32:06.600 if you go

00:32:06.980 down to

00:32:07.260 the

00:32:07.400 judgmental

00:32:08.200 route

00:32:08.420 absolutely

00:32:09.100 right

00:32:09.620 then it

00:32:10.600 how much

00:32:11.620 does that

00:32:11.960 multiply

00:32:12.340 that

00:32:12.580 effect

00:32:12.900 so

00:32:14.420 you have to

00:32:15.180 whip through

00:32:15.520 a few

00:32:15.860 links

00:32:16.660 yeah no no

00:32:17.620 I think

00:32:18.620 we've made

00:32:19.440 the point

00:32:19.860 but yes

00:32:20.460 there are

00:32:20.780 some other

00:32:21.060 ones

00:32:21.280 a drug

00:32:21.540 dealer

00:32:21.740 was allowed

00:32:22.100 to stay

00:32:22.380 in Britain

00:32:22.680 after promising

00:32:23.340 to only smoke

00:32:24.400 cannabis

00:32:24.780 which is still

00:32:25.500 against the law

00:32:26.160 it is like a

00:32:27.960 parody

00:32:28.260 it is

00:32:28.920 it's like a

00:32:29.440 sketch

00:32:29.580 and then

00:32:30.080 Starmer has

00:32:31.800 actually backed

00:32:32.300 the deportation

00:32:32.920 of one person

00:32:33.720 apparently an

00:32:35.680 Albanian

00:32:36.360 relating to

00:32:37.920 a previous

00:32:38.220 conversation

00:32:38.800 has tried to

00:32:40.620 resist his

00:32:41.120 deportation

00:32:41.960 because his

00:32:43.340 son only

00:32:44.600 likes chicken

00:32:45.680 nuggets in

00:32:46.240 Britain

00:32:46.520 he doesn't

00:32:47.040 like foreign 0.93

00:32:47.540 chicken nuggets

00:32:48.000 to be fair

00:32:48.480 when I was in

00:32:49.100 Albania

00:32:49.560 there was no

00:32:50.200 McDonald's

00:32:50.900 there probably

00:32:52.200 is now

00:32:52.620 so I mean

00:32:53.340 you know

00:32:53.580 you get the

00:32:55.860 point right

00:32:56.340 there's another

00:32:57.100 one here

00:32:57.620 Caribbean woman 0.82

00:32:59.020 staying in the

00:32:59.540 UK legally

00:33:00.160 claims she

00:33:00.700 can't be

00:33:01.200 deported to

00:33:01.800 Granada

00:33:02.180 as her

00:33:02.640 Latvian

00:33:03.060 husband

00:33:03.440 won't be

00:33:03.800 able to

00:33:04.020 cope with

00:33:04.340 the spicy

00:33:04.700 food

00:33:05.140 boo hoo 0.99

00:33:06.180 I don't

00:33:07.520 care

00:33:07.840 we can

00:33:08.540 deport them 0.98

00:33:08.920 both 1.00

00:33:09.200 why not

00:33:09.640 this is

00:33:11.640 an important

00:33:12.080 point

00:33:12.500 I think

00:33:15.140 when somebody

00:33:15.780 comes into

00:33:16.280 the United

00:33:16.640 Kingdom

00:33:16.940 if we give

00:33:18.940 them the

00:33:19.220 right to

00:33:19.640 remain here

00:33:20.660 leave to

00:33:21.080 remain here

00:33:21.660 under whatever

00:33:22.400 whether they're

00:33:22.940 a student

00:33:23.280 or whoever

00:33:24.520 they are

00:33:24.840 anyone who

00:33:26.220 is allowed

00:33:26.920 in

00:33:27.320 because of

00:33:29.320 their

00:33:29.580 association

00:33:30.200 with that

00:33:30.800 person

00:33:31.300 spouses

00:33:32.740 children

00:33:33.160 whatever

00:33:33.400 they are

00:33:35.440 there

00:33:35.920 on the

00:33:37.440 basis

00:33:37.900 that the

00:33:38.600 principal

00:33:39.580 immigrant

00:33:40.640 is here

00:33:41.320 if that

00:33:42.300 principal

00:33:42.880 immigrant

00:33:43.420 and I

00:33:44.080 think they

00:33:44.380 should be

00:33:44.720 required to

00:33:45.640 sign a

00:33:46.660 document to

00:33:47.260 this effect

00:33:47.780 if that

00:33:49.860 principal

00:33:50.180 immigrant

00:33:50.640 commits

00:33:52.340 an

00:33:53.240 offence

00:33:53.660 let's say

00:33:54.320 something that

00:33:55.160 carries a

00:33:56.180 six month

00:33:56.580 or longer

00:33:57.300 sentence

00:33:57.880 not necessarily

00:33:58.700 that is awarded

00:34:00.280 six months

00:34:00.780 because in this

00:34:01.380 country you can

00:34:02.160 commit all sorts

00:34:03.120 of crimes

00:34:03.460 and you

00:34:05.400 should be

00:34:06.080 sentenced to

00:34:06.680 incarceration

00:34:07.480 but you're

00:34:07.920 not

00:34:08.080 but anyway

00:34:08.480 so potentially

00:34:09.620 carries a

00:34:10.960 six month

00:34:11.400 or more

00:34:12.400 prison sentence

00:34:13.920 then not

00:34:15.960 only do they

00:34:16.640 become

00:34:17.060 deportable

00:34:18.220 but so

00:34:21.860 does anyone

00:34:22.620 who is here

00:34:23.420 on their

00:34:23.740 ticket

00:34:24.080 it is not

00:34:24.940 you can

00:34:25.380 stay because

00:34:26.080 they're here

00:34:26.700 so if you've

00:34:27.860 come in with

00:34:28.300 your wife

00:34:28.760 and two

00:34:29.100 kids

00:34:29.540 and now

00:34:30.580 you do

00:34:31.340 something

00:34:31.680 and we

00:34:32.120 can't

00:34:32.400 deport

00:34:32.700 you

00:34:32.960 at the

00:34:35.180 moment

00:34:35.340 we can't

00:34:35.800 deport

00:34:36.060 you

00:34:36.200 because

00:34:36.560 one of

00:34:37.100 your

00:34:37.200 children

00:34:37.800 likes

00:34:39.040 chicken

00:34:39.340 nuggets

00:34:39.680 or

00:34:39.880 something 1.00

00:34:40.120 stupid 1.00

00:34:40.520 like 1.00

00:34:40.740 this

00:34:40.920 or

00:34:42.120 you don't

00:34:42.860 like

00:34:43.060 spicy

00:34:43.480 food

00:34:43.780 well

00:34:44.240 forget that

00:34:46.020 they go

00:34:46.640 with you

00:34:47.160 because

00:34:47.940 you've

00:34:48.940 got no

00:34:49.280 right to

00:34:49.620 be here

00:34:50.040 so nor

00:34:50.920 have they

00:34:51.300 by association

00:34:52.160 they go

00:34:52.860 too

00:34:53.160 and if

00:34:54.240 your wife

00:34:54.840 and kids

00:34:55.360 don't like

00:34:55.780 that

00:34:56.020 best they

00:34:57.540 have a

00:34:57.800 word with

00:34:58.180 you then

00:34:58.580 you know

00:34:59.320 rather than

00:35:00.160 you know

00:35:00.480 you got them

00:35:01.460 into this

00:35:01.800 mess

00:35:02.240 that's a

00:35:03.000 perfectly

00:35:03.340 reasonable

00:35:04.000 thing to

00:35:04.380 say

00:35:04.620 and yes

00:35:05.940 it's to

00:35:06.960 the point

00:35:07.240 now where

00:35:07.700 reading the

00:35:08.200 news is like

00:35:09.000 reading the

00:35:10.020 satire of

00:35:10.700 20 years

00:35:11.280 ago and

00:35:11.720 it's in a

00:35:12.500 very unfortunate

00:35:13.160 place but

00:35:13.940 I'm gonna

00:35:14.380 have to

00:35:14.720 leave it

00:35:15.060 there

00:35:15.420 but we've

00:35:17.080 got a

00:35:17.300 bunch of

00:35:17.920 comments

00:35:18.260 through

00:35:18.520 I'm gonna

00:35:19.780 read a

00:35:20.140 couple of

00:35:20.400 those

00:35:20.680 Josh

00:35:22.780 please look

00:35:23.260 into

00:35:23.600 Lillian 0.60

00:35:24.100 Sinoy

00:35:24.800 Bar

00:35:25.200 asylum

00:35:25.940 seeker in

00:35:26.520 Northern

00:35:26.720 Ireland

00:35:27.020 first black

00:35:27.560 mayor

00:35:27.840 her asylum

00:35:28.460 case is

00:35:29.140 very fishy

00:35:29.680 she fled

00:35:30.220 the UK

00:35:30.560 from Kenya

00:35:31.080 despite having

00:35:31.740 family members

00:35:32.680 in the

00:35:32.920 government

00:35:33.240 that sounds

00:35:34.460 very familiar

00:35:35.100 that sounds

00:35:36.180 like the

00:35:36.840 Rudikabana

00:35:37.620 family doesn't

00:35:38.260 so UK

00:35:40.180 government

00:35:40.520 sees

00:35:40.900 Iqbal

00:35:43.240 I'm trying

00:35:45.420 to read

00:35:45.860 these before

00:35:46.340 I actually

00:35:46.620 read them

00:35:46.900 out

00:35:47.100 if you want

00:35:48.380 to keep

00:35:48.580 yourself safe

00:35:49.060 you need

00:35:49.340 to look

00:35:49.540 beyond the

00:35:49.880 state

00:35:50.120 I can't

00:35:52.100 agree with

00:35:52.560 that one

00:35:52.780 I'm afraid

00:35:53.180 can I

00:35:57.100 bring up

00:35:57.380 one of

00:35:57.560 these

00:35:57.720 of course

00:35:58.860 just you

00:36:00.040 know I

00:36:00.620 won't say

00:36:01.140 the name

00:36:02.900 of the

00:36:03.100 person on

00:36:03.700 it but

00:36:04.120 anyway Mr

00:36:05.040 Bolton seems

00:36:05.540 to think that

00:36:06.000 everyone with

00:36:06.440 a British

00:36:06.740 passport is

00:36:07.460 British and

00:36:07.920 will get

00:36:08.360 to stay

00:36:09.140 once we

00:36:09.800 once we

00:36:10.400 take back

00:36:10.800 our country

00:36:11.340 passports

00:36:12.060 are handed

00:36:12.360 out to

00:36:12.680 every child 1.00

00:36:14.420 rapist that 1.00

00:36:15.040 demands one 0.98

00:36:15.740 whatever

00:36:16.840 anyway the

00:36:17.780 point is

00:36:18.300 we give

00:36:19.720 out our

00:36:20.260 passports

00:36:20.920 far far

00:36:22.400 too easily

00:36:23.140 we give

00:36:24.560 leave to

00:36:25.380 remain in

00:36:26.180 the United

00:36:26.560 Kingdom

00:36:26.960 far far

00:36:28.360 too easily

00:36:28.940 if you are

00:36:29.960 here for

00:36:30.540 five six

00:36:30.980 years or so

00:36:31.560 and you want

00:36:32.040 to stay

00:36:32.380 here then

00:36:33.360 the chances

00:36:33.720 are nobody's

00:36:34.440 going to ask

00:36:34.760 you to leave

00:36:35.300 maybe you

00:36:36.620 came here

00:36:37.060 with a job

00:36:38.040 you've got a

00:36:38.800 job you've

00:36:39.220 been working

00:36:39.740 you lose the

00:36:40.320 job well you

00:36:41.060 lose the right

00:36:41.780 to remain

00:36:42.200 because your

00:36:42.720 right to remain

00:36:43.800 was based on

00:36:44.360 that job so

00:36:45.100 no that's not

00:36:46.060 what I think

00:36:46.520 at all I

00:36:47.000 don't you

00:36:47.500 know once you

00:36:48.820 get a British 0.92

00:36:49.280 passport then

00:36:51.080 there are

00:36:51.540 privileges that

00:36:52.260 come with that

00:36:52.680 passport

00:36:53.060 but my

00:36:53.700 concern is

00:36:54.340 that we

00:36:55.760 give out

00:36:56.840 British

00:36:57.080 passports

00:36:57.780 far too

00:36:58.700 easily

00:36:59.040 we give

00:37:00.020 out the

00:37:00.380 right to

00:37:01.160 remain

00:37:01.580 far too

00:37:02.580 easily

00:37:02.840 and we

00:37:03.440 never

00:37:03.680 withdraw it

00:37:04.320 that's the

00:37:05.240 point if

00:37:05.840 you come

00:37:06.140 here as a

00:37:06.720 student you

00:37:07.160 finish your

00:37:07.620 course as a

00:37:08.340 student then

00:37:09.260 your reason for

00:37:10.360 being here has

00:37:11.100 ended you

00:37:11.760 leave you

00:37:12.680 came here to

00:37:13.160 do a job

00:37:13.780 you're no

00:37:15.500 longer doing

00:37:16.760 that job your

00:37:17.600 reason for being

00:37:18.140 here has ended

00:37:18.840 you leave and

00:37:20.180 your family

00:37:20.600 leaves anybody

00:37:21.240 you brought with

00:37:21.960 you they

00:37:22.520 leave and if

00:37:23.300 you've got

00:37:23.560 married in the

00:37:24.140 meantime let's

00:37:24.900 say you're a

00:37:25.240 Nigerian you've 0.99

00:37:25.820 got married to

00:37:26.420 somebody who's

00:37:27.300 you know 50th

00:37:28.880 generation sort of

00:37:29.880 born and bred in

00:37:30.520 the UK fine you've

00:37:32.140 married that person

00:37:32.980 you still leave I 0.96

00:37:34.600 don't give a damn

00:37:35.640 whether you've

00:37:36.220 married somebody

00:37:36.620 here or not

00:37:37.260 because you were

00:37:39.980 here on the

00:37:40.700 basis you can

00:37:41.900 you can leave and

00:37:42.780 then reapply on the

00:37:43.940 basis that you've

00:37:44.740 got you know go

00:37:45.640 through whatever

00:37:46.280 procedure but no I

00:37:47.720 mean the point here

00:37:48.320 is not that

00:37:49.680 everybody with a

00:37:50.300 British passport I

00:37:51.100 think that's the

00:37:51.520 wrong approach is

00:37:53.040 British and so on

00:37:54.300 it's that that

00:37:56.200 should be the way 0.96

00:37:57.080 we just give out

00:37:59.760 all of the these

00:38:00.840 things as though

00:38:02.300 they're confetti and

00:38:03.220 we shouldn't be

00:38:03.680 so the final

00:38:04.700 countries in the

00:38:05.280 world it's very

00:38:06.100 very very very

00:38:06.840 difficult to become

00:38:08.140 a citizen legally

00:38:09.220 that should be us

00:38:10.460 and I believe the

00:38:11.780 home office or

00:38:12.560 whatever department

00:38:13.300 deals with it

00:38:13.980 should be revoking

00:38:16.060 people's citizenship

00:38:17.020 on a mass scale

00:38:18.080 do you remember

00:38:18.920 how hard it was

00:38:19.580 with the Shamina 0.92

00:38:20.440 Begum case

00:38:21.300 the mainstream

00:38:22.900 media was in

00:38:23.400 uproar that we

00:38:24.200 stripped her of

00:38:24.880 our citizenship

00:38:25.360 no that should be

00:38:26.160 completely normal

00:38:27.140 yeah

00:38:27.760 it should be

00:38:28.020 completely normal

00:38:28.640 someone comes here

00:38:29.820 gets citizenship

00:38:30.380 and then commits a

00:38:31.180 terrible crime

00:38:31.660 well back to your

00:38:32.420 country of origin

00:38:33.020 and you're stripped

00:38:33.940 of your citizenship

00:38:34.380 yeah if they're

00:38:34.760 foreign if they've

00:38:35.300 got foreign 0.96

00:38:36.080 citizenship as well

00:38:37.360 if the thing is

00:38:38.660 that perhaps we

00:38:40.700 shouldn't be giving

00:38:41.340 them citizenship so 0.85

00:38:42.460 easily if you give

00:38:43.680 somebody citizenship

00:38:44.540 you give them a

00:38:45.300 passport then you're

00:38:46.160 giving them that

00:38:46.800 protection of the

00:38:47.540 crown

00:38:47.800 and I still

00:38:50.280 believe in the

00:38:51.200 meaning of that

00:38:51.900 but when you

00:38:54.440 give them out

00:38:55.500 like confetti

00:38:56.180 that's a slight

00:38:56.920 exaggeration but

00:38:57.620 you get the

00:38:58.700 meaning then I

00:38:59.240 think you bear

00:39:00.640 some responsibility

00:39:01.540 the British

00:39:02.560 government that

00:39:04.060 has been doing

00:39:04.840 this whether it's

00:39:05.800 Labour or

00:39:06.220 Conservative

00:39:06.660 bears the

00:39:07.680 responsibility for

00:39:08.820 this and I

00:39:10.740 think if we

00:39:11.520 just if you

00:39:12.500 if you've got a

00:39:13.340 passport and you

00:39:13.860 just it can be

00:39:14.680 just taken off

00:39:15.360 you if you if

00:39:16.480 you don't have

00:39:17.000 dual

00:39:17.800 nationality

00:39:18.660 then if you do

00:39:21.060 then yes absolutely

00:39:22.020 agree with you

00:39:22.560 there's still a

00:39:23.040 foreign national

00:39:23.540 offender like

00:39:24.420 Begum but if 0.99

00:39:27.140 you're going to

00:39:27.440 give some if

00:39:27.900 they've only got

00:39:28.360 British nationality

00:39:29.280 now they've

00:39:29.920 revoked their

00:39:30.360 previous nationality

00:39:31.160 you have given

00:39:32.040 them rightly or

00:39:33.620 wrongly you have

00:39:34.840 given them that

00:39:36.280 protection you have

00:39:37.500 said you're now

00:39:38.060 British and if that

00:39:39.060 passport is really

00:39:40.000 going to mean

00:39:40.440 something in

00:39:41.960 future not now

00:39:43.220 because it doesn't

00:39:44.000 mean a great deal

00:39:44.980 now but in

00:39:46.060 future if it's

00:39:47.100 going to mean

00:39:47.460 something we

00:39:48.700 need to give it

00:39:49.240 to those who are

00:39:49.960 truly deserving of

00:39:51.100 it rather than

00:39:52.280 give it out to

00:39:52.920 any Tomzik and

00:39:53.560 Harry who's been

00:39:54.800 here for five or

00:39:55.380 six years and

00:39:56.300 then we've then

00:39:56.940 we get rid of

00:39:57.400 that problem

00:39:57.840 so I think we

00:40:00.260 may as well go

00:40:00.760 on to the

00:40:01.460 identity of Jack

00:40:02.140 the Ripper

00:40:02.500 okay

00:40:03.440 all right

00:40:05.320 seamless segue

00:40:06.200 then

00:40:06.500 so there's been a

00:40:08.720 big get a

00:40:09.100 passport

00:40:09.400 there's been a

00:40:12.000 big breakthrough

00:40:12.720 in the White

00:40:13.580 Chapel murders

00:40:14.380 oh yeah

00:40:16.060 it happened in

00:40:16.940 White Chapel

00:40:17.400 didn't they

00:40:17.760 I'm happy to

00:40:18.200 say ladies and

00:40:18.800 gentlemen we got

00:40:19.440 him

00:40:19.940 probably almost

00:40:22.360 certainly it seems

00:40:23.180 I hope this is up

00:40:24.640 your Ali Henry

00:40:25.840 being an ex-policeman

00:40:26.980 I've always been

00:40:28.940 fascinated by the

00:40:29.760 Ripper murders

00:40:30.440 ever since I was a

00:40:32.080 small child in fact

00:40:32.940 well there's just a

00:40:33.560 bunch of headlines

00:40:34.280 there in the

00:40:34.840 mainstream media so

00:40:35.980 you can see that

00:40:36.500 it's been in the

00:40:37.100 news cycle recently

00:40:38.020 I've always been

00:40:39.900 fascinated ever since

00:40:40.680 I was a child I

00:40:41.240 mentioned before one

00:40:41.960 time there was I

00:40:42.820 got a book when I

00:40:43.500 was a small child

00:40:44.100 just called mysteries

00:40:44.920 the small kiddies

00:40:45.920 book a double page

00:40:46.740 spread on things

00:40:47.340 like the Mary

00:40:48.060 Celeste and and

00:40:49.640 JFK killing and

00:40:51.220 one was on the

00:40:52.020 Ripper murders and

00:40:53.240 so ever since then

00:40:54.000 I've read a half a

00:40:54.720 dozen books couple

00:40:55.520 of novels loads and

00:40:56.940 loads of documentaries

00:40:57.660 and so I'm always

00:40:59.220 been absolutely

00:40:59.680 fascinated by it

00:41:00.540 it's not that far

00:41:01.720 from where I was

00:41:02.220 born and raised I

00:41:03.020 grew up in London

00:41:04.280 borough of Havering

00:41:05.100 which is only 15

00:41:06.340 20 odd miles from

00:41:07.180 White Chapel

00:41:07.640 so just east of

00:41:09.220 East London

00:41:09.700 White Chapel is in

00:41:10.440 East London if

00:41:11.000 anyone doesn't

00:41:11.400 know

00:41:11.600 so okay it was

00:41:15.100 one of the most

00:41:15.740 famous serial killers

00:41:16.940 one of the most

00:41:17.360 famous cold cases

00:41:18.240 of all time

00:41:18.960 and it looks like

00:41:21.060 now DNA evidence

00:41:22.120 has shown who it

00:41:23.420 was and it turns

00:41:24.160 out it was one of

00:41:25.040 the main killers

00:41:25.940 one of the main

00:41:26.940 suspects rather

00:41:28.380 and in fact I'm

00:41:30.000 pretty sure I've

00:41:30.960 mentioned that I

00:41:32.400 thought it was him

00:41:33.060 somewhere in the

00:41:33.480 past I tried to

00:41:34.240 for the life of

00:41:34.700 me I can't remember

00:41:35.240 but maybe on a

00:41:36.320 Mr H Reviews

00:41:37.360 stream or maybe

00:41:38.100 one of my

00:41:38.440 conversations with

00:41:39.300 the great Devon

00:41:40.240 Tracy atheism is

00:41:41.340 unstoppable at

00:41:41.880 some point somewhere

00:41:43.020 or other I've

00:41:44.000 mentioned this guy

00:41:45.160 that I thought it

00:41:45.640 was him and

00:41:46.300 you can find lots

00:41:47.200 of videos and

00:41:47.740 documentaries where

00:41:48.440 they say it's

00:41:49.300 probably this guy

00:41:50.240 it's like the

00:41:51.660 Zodiac killer if

00:41:52.860 anyone knows that

00:41:53.420 case and they

00:41:54.400 kind of know who

00:41:55.100 the Zodiac killer

00:41:55.700 was but it

00:41:56.900 was only ever got

00:41:57.860 circumstantial

00:41:58.660 evidence really

00:41:59.440 it was net they

00:42:00.620 never had enough to

00:42:01.440 get it to court let

00:42:02.240 alone a conviction

00:42:02.960 but they sort of

00:42:04.140 know who the

00:42:05.000 Zodiac killer was

00:42:05.660 it's the same

00:42:06.480 with Jack the

00:42:08.440 Ripper there's a

00:42:09.540 fair few documentaries

00:42:10.720 where they say it's

00:42:12.040 almost certainly this

00:42:12.960 guy okay but now it

00:42:15.500 looks like there has

00:42:16.260 been a real breakthrough

00:42:17.720 with DNA and we

00:42:20.340 know really who it

00:42:21.740 was so if I could

00:42:24.500 just scroll down on

00:42:25.440 my document Samson

00:42:26.480 can you scroll down on

00:42:27.200 my document on my

00:42:27.940 screen there you go

00:42:29.280 okay so I always

00:42:31.500 think that because

00:42:32.420 it was a mystery

00:42:33.300 because we didn't

00:42:34.000 know it's much more

00:42:34.760 scary much more

00:42:36.340 mysterious and

00:42:36.960 interesting than it

00:42:37.960 really is like

00:42:39.160 you know oh there's

00:42:39.840 a picture from that

00:42:40.520 child that childhood

00:42:41.520 book I had and it

00:42:42.740 terrified me I

00:42:43.380 remember having

00:42:43.800 nightmares literally

00:42:44.600 about that when I

00:42:45.780 was like eight or

00:42:46.460 whatever I'm not

00:42:47.200 surprised it's

00:42:47.920 horrible isn't it

00:42:48.620 because it's much

00:42:49.640 more scary when you

00:42:50.520 don't know

00:42:51.080 that's the thing

00:42:52.780 with fear isn't

00:42:54.180 it a way to

00:42:55.440 mind killer

00:42:56.520 where you maximize 0.51

00:42:57.600 fear and

00:42:58.940 I'm pretty sure

00:42:59.940 the COVID response

00:43:01.020 unit in the

00:43:02.480 government knows

00:43:02.960 this one is you

00:43:04.720 appeal to people's

00:43:05.840 anxiety and

00:43:06.540 uncertainty about

00:43:07.280 the future and

00:43:08.380 uncertainty is the

00:43:09.640 way to maximize

00:43:10.240 fear yeah yeah

00:43:11.660 as Frank Herbert

00:43:12.720 says fear is the

00:43:13.500 mind killer and

00:43:14.260 then but the real

00:43:14.780 reality is it's just

00:43:15.560 a bloke so for

00:43:16.820 example that's the

00:43:17.740 Green River killer

00:43:18.480 one of the most

00:43:19.280 terrible serial killers

00:43:20.560 of all time it's

00:43:20.980 just that dude

00:43:21.640 with a moustache

00:43:23.680 right and a pair of

00:43:24.680 sunglasses on

00:43:25.600 next one BTK

00:43:27.260 again one of the 0.84

00:43:28.260 most disgusting 1.00

00:43:29.300 serial killers of 0.98

00:43:31.220 all time it's

00:43:31.880 just just him

00:43:32.860 starting to

00:43:34.440 recognize a theme

00:43:35.540 if they wear glasses

00:43:36.360 and have a moustache

00:43:37.260 well no

00:43:38.360 Dr. Shipman

00:43:39.860 oh again there is

00:43:41.280 a bit of a

00:43:41.720 physiognomy thing

00:43:42.620 going on there's

00:43:43.460 not all serial

00:43:44.600 killers look like

00:43:45.220 that some

00:43:45.600 I think it's just

00:43:46.460 the era of that

00:43:47.600 you're pulling them

00:43:48.260 from right a

00:43:49.320 moustache was

00:43:49.860 fashionable

00:43:50.140 Dr. Death's

00:43:52.140 Harold Shipman

00:43:53.140 there okay so a

00:43:55.200 little bit about the

00:43:55.980 Whitechapel killings

00:43:57.060 if anyone doesn't

00:43:57.740 know I'll assume

00:43:58.220 people don't know

00:43:59.020 it's back in the

00:43:59.560 late 19th century

00:44:01.240 in the late

00:44:01.800 Victorian period

00:44:02.380 1888 in Whitechapel

00:44:04.100 in East London

00:44:04.540 there was five

00:44:05.160 murders they saw

00:44:05.940 the sort of call

00:44:06.680 them the canonical

00:44:07.740 five he may have

00:44:09.340 killed more some

00:44:10.600 say that there's a

00:44:11.180 few other killings

00:44:12.260 around that time

00:44:12.840 which may have been

00:44:13.760 Jack the Ripper

00:44:14.640 but there's there's

00:44:15.960 five that they're

00:44:16.660 with certain now

00:44:18.260 there's lots and

00:44:18.860 lots of there's

00:44:19.500 been so much written

00:44:20.300 about this over the

00:44:21.440 years there's even

00:44:22.780 sort of the Ripper

00:44:24.540 ology people that

00:44:25.860 it's almost like

00:44:26.700 their whole career

00:44:27.460 a terrible name

00:44:28.820 for it right yeah

00:44:29.820 yeah and there

00:44:31.980 were loads and

00:44:33.900 loads of suspects

00:44:35.440 I mean loads at

00:44:36.460 the time the police

00:44:37.500 had sort of three

00:44:38.900 main suspects one

00:44:40.960 is the guy I'm

00:44:42.120 going to reveal

00:44:42.680 shortly another one

00:44:44.600 was a guy called

00:44:45.480 what was his name

00:44:48.340 Cutbush was his 0.85

00:44:50.440 name

00:44:50.740 and he yeah

00:44:54.500 sorry Thomas

00:44:55.100 Cutbush and he

00:44:56.200 found himself in

00:44:57.340 Broadmoor Asylum

00:44:58.240 so he was sort of

00:44:59.900 clinically insane

00:45:00.900 one of the main 0.74

00:45:01.620 ones was Montague

00:45:02.880 Druitt or MJ

00:45:03.820 Druitt and there's

00:45:04.580 a picture of him

00:45:05.220 one of the lead

00:45:06.240 investigators at the

00:45:06.980 time was convinced

00:45:07.700 until his death

00:45:08.480 that it was this

00:45:09.440 guy it seems now

00:45:11.180 it almost certainly

00:45:12.100 wasn't but there's

00:45:13.120 been a bunch of 0.73

00:45:14.040 names over the

00:45:15.060 years I'll run

00:45:15.780 through a few

00:45:16.320 Suing Koloski

00:45:20.080 Michael Ostrog

00:45:22.160 John Piazza

00:45:23.480 James Thomas

00:45:24.820 Sadler

00:45:25.280 Francis Tumblety

00:45:26.580 he was he was

00:45:27.720 one that is

00:45:28.500 actually it's if

00:45:29.820 you look at the

00:45:30.260 details it's like

00:45:30.820 it could have

00:45:31.160 been him it it

00:45:32.820 just wasn't

00:45:33.480 because they

00:45:35.200 well the evidence

00:45:36.920 at that time was

00:45:37.720 different obviously

00:45:38.620 no CCTV and no

00:45:40.740 DNA so I often

00:45:42.800 think that in the

00:45:43.560 in the sort of

00:45:44.480 19th century or

00:45:45.280 earlier it would

00:45:45.720 have been quite

00:45:46.040 easy to commit

00:45:46.580 crimes if you

00:45:47.200 weren't sort of

00:45:47.540 caught red-handed

00:45:48.280 it would have

00:45:49.900 been a lot

00:45:50.300 easier to get

00:45:51.020 away with it

00:45:52.080 William Henry

00:45:53.040 Burry Thomas

00:45:54.240 Neil Cream

00:45:54.940 Frederick Deeming

00:45:56.180 Cole Fingenbaum

00:45:57.800 Robert Stevenson

00:45:59.380 James Maybrick a

00:46:00.400 lot of people

00:46:00.780 thought it was

00:46:01.160 James Maybrick a

00:46:02.480 lot of the

00:46:03.160 evidence did seem

00:46:03.860 to point to him

00:46:04.540 in some ways like

00:46:05.320 the circumstantial

00:46:06.240 evidence Walter

00:46:07.880 Sickett George

00:46:09.480 Chapman some people

00:46:10.640 even thought it was

00:46:11.180 Lewis Carroll the

00:46:12.740 author he wrote

00:46:14.020 Alice in Wonderland

00:46:14.860 and Alice through the

00:46:15.500 looking glass it

00:46:16.500 wasn't that's

00:46:16.940 nonsense they're

00:46:17.640 reading some sort

00:46:18.260 of veiled confession

00:46:19.080 in that book

00:46:19.720 somehow yeah

00:46:20.920 what people are

00:46:21.600 like some said it

00:46:22.520 was Prince Albert

00:46:23.800 Victor the Duke of

00:46:24.980 Clarence who was

00:46:25.660 the oldest son of

00:46:26.520 Dirty Bertie went 1.00

00:46:27.640 on to be Edward

00:46:28.280 the seventh the

00:46:29.040 king he would have

00:46:29.840 been would have

00:46:30.840 been the Prince of

00:46:31.380 Wales and King

00:46:31.920 himself he died

00:46:33.180 before that ever

00:46:33.800 happened almost

00:46:35.100 certainly of syphilis

00:46:35.840 but some said it

00:46:36.520 was him again

00:46:37.200 nonsense he wasn't

00:46:37.880 even in the country

00:46:38.480 for some of the

00:46:38.940 killings so but

00:46:40.000 anyway the point is

00:46:41.040 that there's been

00:46:41.820 many many many names

00:46:43.160 put forward over the

00:46:44.220 years and all sorts of

00:46:45.060 crazy or perhaps even

00:46:46.700 not that crazy theories

00:46:48.420 about who it was

00:46:49.380 turns out it was a

00:46:51.900 guy called Aaron

00:46:53.000 Kosminski well there's

00:46:56.120 a picture drawing one

00:46:57.780 of the one of the

00:46:58.520 murders in fact that

00:46:59.840 is the murder where

00:47:01.820 he's been caught with

00:47:02.880 DNA that was the poor

00:47:04.680 Catherine Eddowes so

00:47:06.760 the five the canonical

00:47:07.620 five are Mary Jane

00:47:09.160 Nichols Annie

00:47:10.160 Chapman Elizabeth

00:47:11.580 Stride Catherine Eddowes

00:47:13.420 and Mary Jane Kelly

00:47:14.620 now one of the things

00:47:16.180 that makes it interesting

00:47:17.940 is that he seems to

00:47:19.160 have a bit like that

00:47:20.000 ghost type apparition

00:47:21.260 picture we saw earlier

00:47:22.380 that phantom

00:47:23.040 he seemed to have been

00:47:25.460 able to sort of

00:47:26.120 disappear into the

00:47:27.700 streets and back

00:47:28.480 alleys of Whitechapel

00:47:29.620 now even today it's

00:47:31.240 like a rabbit warren

00:47:32.200 it's like a little

00:47:33.060 labyrinth if you know

00:47:34.420 where you're going

00:47:35.260 on the little alleys

00:47:37.160 and muses and

00:47:38.940 courtyards that lead 1.00

00:47:39.840 on to each other

00:47:40.600 back in the late

00:47:41.540 19th century it's

00:47:42.400 even more of a

00:47:43.220 rabbit warren so if

00:47:44.340 you knew it like the

00:47:44.940 back of your hand

00:47:45.640 it'd be perfect place

00:47:47.360 to just to do some

00:47:48.620 sort of violent crime

00:47:49.440 and disappear but

00:47:52.240 some of the early

00:47:53.040 ones for example

00:47:53.760 you happen just

00:47:54.380 below someone's

00:47:54.980 window and they

00:47:56.600 claim they never

00:47:57.360 heard anything so

00:47:58.500 it seems like he's

00:47:59.400 like this master of

00:48:00.720 of crime in some

00:48:02.160 way but he was

00:48:03.600 called the ripper

00:48:04.120 because he'd

00:48:04.960 he ripped these

00:48:06.760 women they're all 1.00

00:48:07.280 prostitutes rip 1.00

00:48:08.560 these women's women 1.00

00:48:09.880 into ribbons

00:48:10.560 now Catherine

00:48:12.620 Eddowes there 0.67

00:48:15.140 was a shawl she

00:48:16.500 was wearing a

00:48:17.020 shawl at the

00:48:17.980 time well there

00:48:20.420 you go that's a

00:48:21.400 picture of

00:48:22.140 Kosminski when

00:48:23.820 he that's a

00:48:24.300 picture taken when

00:48:24.800 he was about 16

00:48:25.500 when he first came

00:48:26.140 over from Poland

00:48:26.820 he was a Polish

00:48:27.680 Jewish immigrant

00:48:28.780 who came to

00:48:29.340 London and he 0.67

00:48:31.120 did the murders

00:48:31.620 when he was about

00:48:32.120 23 24 so there's

00:48:34.760 a picture of him

00:48:35.360 when he was about

00:48:35.860 16 so again

00:48:36.920 that's the face of

00:48:37.660 evil that is the

00:48:38.440 face of Jack the

00:48:39.100 Ripper it's

00:48:39.840 just sort of a

00:48:40.220 normal person

00:48:41.220 right on the

00:48:41.760 surface you

00:48:42.260 wouldn't think

00:48:42.800 twice look at

00:48:43.520 him would you

00:48:44.020 did you find

00:48:45.680 that during your

00:48:46.160 time in the

00:48:46.660 police that quite

00:48:47.220 often you've got

00:48:48.440 this monster that's

00:48:49.440 out there and it

00:48:49.920 turns out it's just

00:48:50.560 just a guy yeah

00:48:52.020 yeah very definitely

00:48:53.140 there's one particular

00:48:54.220 case that I was

00:48:55.080 involved with on

00:48:56.540 the periphery of

00:48:57.200 it and a guy had

00:48:58.760 cut his mother's 0.94

00:48:59.520 heart out and I

00:49:02.240 was just on cell

00:49:03.520 watch with the guy

00:49:05.480 clearly had issues

00:49:07.240 issues but when

00:49:07.860 you looked at

00:49:08.660 him you know you

00:49:11.040 wouldn't think that

00:49:12.320 there was anything

00:49:12.900 different in him at

00:49:15.100 all you know if

00:49:15.860 you passed him

00:49:16.640 walking down the

00:49:17.180 street you wouldn't

00:49:17.580 go looks like a

00:49:18.920 dodgy character

00:49:19.560 there wouldn't be 0.96

00:49:20.780 anything of that

00:49:21.360 sort you know

00:49:22.180 interesting

00:49:22.500 banality of evil

00:49:24.500 yeah I mean it's

00:49:25.860 you know it's an

00:49:27.120 you know it's an

00:49:27.980 interesting psychology

00:49:30.480 isn't it why do

00:49:31.300 what leads people to

00:49:32.340 do these things and

00:49:33.460 and how does it work

00:49:34.540 I mean you know I

00:49:35.260 guess that's something

00:49:35.960 that's always puzzled

00:49:36.820 minds ever since you

00:49:38.080 know I'm a memorial

00:49:39.700 really

00:49:40.200 there are two main

00:49:41.380 things the main

00:49:43.580 predictor is childhood

00:49:44.840 abuse shortly

00:49:46.480 followed up by what

00:49:48.200 has now been coined

00:49:49.160 the dark triad which

00:49:50.760 is encompassing lots of

00:49:52.180 traits but it's

00:49:53.540 basically the notion

00:49:55.100 of someone being a

00:49:55.860 psychopath in that

00:49:56.760 they don't actually

00:49:57.500 have the ability to

00:49:58.700 feel any empathy or

00:50:00.820 sympathy for their

00:50:01.640 victims and their

00:50:02.660 I think that's very

00:50:03.380 yes that I'd agree

00:50:04.580 with but you can't

00:50:05.320 tell that from

00:50:06.000 looking at someone

00:50:06.640 of course you can't

00:50:07.380 no

00:50:07.620 so who was this

00:50:09.000 well he was 0.97

00:50:09.880 clinically insane 0.95

00:50:10.800 he was a 0.94

00:50:11.820 schizophrenic not that

00:50:12.740 all schizophrenics are 1.00

00:50:13.560 violent or anything

00:50:14.140 but he was sort of

00:50:16.020 clinically insane

00:50:17.220 and we know this

00:50:19.120 because shortly after

00:50:20.680 the Ripper murders

00:50:21.460 he was committed to

00:50:22.560 an asylum where he

00:50:23.820 stayed for the next

00:50:24.500 30 years until he

00:50:25.240 died of natural

00:50:25.920 causes in his mid

00:50:26.600 50s

00:50:26.660 but it'd be fair

00:50:27.160 Beau I mean you

00:50:28.020 know you know

00:50:29.080 again society moves

00:50:30.600 on medical advances

00:50:32.400 and so on

00:50:32.920 you know what now

00:50:35.100 what then was

00:50:36.880 classified as

00:50:37.580 insane

00:50:38.640 you know now

00:50:41.300 might be something

00:50:42.380 entirely different

00:50:43.180 it might be you

00:50:44.220 know far better

00:50:44.940 diagnosed and so on

00:50:46.300 and treatable

00:50:47.080 in those days

00:50:48.460 of course they

00:50:49.000 had far less

00:50:49.680 understatement

00:50:50.080 your background

00:50:51.980 you'll know about

00:50:52.960 this but

00:50:53.320 but now of course

00:50:55.000 so yes clinically

00:50:56.480 insane but we

00:50:57.920 don't again maybe

00:50:59.100 we should I don't

00:50:59.680 know but I don't

00:51:00.840 think we should but

00:51:01.520 we we don't refer to

00:51:03.200 people now as

00:51:03.840 clinically insane do

00:51:05.160 we we're a little

00:51:06.260 bit more

00:51:06.720 I'm happy to

00:51:08.680 you sometimes

00:51:09.200 maybe three of us

00:51:09.960 when you're a serial 0.99

00:51:10.900 killer like this 1.00

00:51:11.700 ripping women to 1.00

00:51:12.680 shreds 1.00

00:51:13.180 true true but

00:51:14.200 now we wouldn't

00:51:14.700 call it clinically

00:51:15.240 insane we'd call

00:51:16.040 it you know

00:51:16.600 there's something

00:51:17.320 else we'd be

00:51:17.920 mental health

00:51:18.500 condition

00:51:18.900 sanity impaired

00:51:20.500 no no I'm not

00:51:21.620 I don't misunderstand

00:51:23.060 me I'm not trying

00:51:23.960 to say that it's a

00:51:24.880 normal ordinary guy

00:51:25.720 and we should be

00:51:26.400 sympathetic I'm not

00:51:27.340 saying that at all

00:51:28.520 but it's just

00:51:30.060 interesting how you

00:51:31.100 know then it was

00:51:31.680 clinically saying now

00:51:32.760 it would be something

00:51:33.540 else well now the

00:51:34.540 times have changed a

00:51:35.280 little bit a lot of

00:51:36.720 the people that would

00:51:37.440 have been in asylums

00:51:38.600 in past times are

00:51:40.720 now seen as best

00:51:42.540 served being in the

00:51:43.920 community there's

00:51:44.960 sort of there are

00:51:45.720 very very few people

00:51:46.960 actually sectioned

00:51:48.320 anymore and you've

00:51:49.960 got to do something

00:51:50.660 particularly egregious

00:51:51.560 or be seen as

00:51:52.360 particularly violent

00:51:53.300 to get to that

00:51:53.880 position I think my

00:51:55.740 professional opinion

00:51:56.440 is that quite often

00:51:57.820 the standard is a

00:51:58.740 little bit too

00:52:00.220 narrow and I think

00:52:01.240 that there are lots

00:52:01.700 of people out on

00:52:02.280 the streets that

00:52:02.880 have obvious mental

00:52:04.060 health problems that

00:52:05.680 perhaps shouldn't be

00:52:07.180 and a need not you

00:52:08.760 know not only for the

00:52:09.560 safety of the

00:52:10.580 population at large

00:52:11.300 but also their own

00:52:12.380 safety as well but

00:52:13.280 sorry Bo

00:52:13.660 so Kozminski

00:52:14.300 regardless of the

00:52:15.360 Whitechapel killings

00:52:17.020 was institutionalised

00:52:18.760 for the rest of his

00:52:19.260 life there's things

00:52:20.760 like he wouldn't

00:52:22.280 accept food from

00:52:23.220 anyone if anyone

00:52:23.780 else had touched

00:52:24.400 the food in any way

00:52:25.240 he wouldn't accept

00:52:25.760 it from but he'd eat

00:52:26.740 bread out of a gutter

00:52:27.840 there's accounts of

00:52:28.520 things like that

00:52:29.140 so one time he

00:52:31.160 threatened to kill 0.95

00:52:32.040 his own sister with 0.88

00:52:32.980 a knife because the

00:52:33.960 pathology of it

00:52:34.820 people have looked

00:52:35.360 very closely at this

00:52:36.340 Aaron Kozminski

00:52:37.260 over the years

00:52:38.100 Kozminski and the 0.89

00:52:39.900 pathology is all

00:52:41.080 there there was

00:52:42.380 just no proper

00:52:43.420 very very strong

00:52:44.500 evidence that he

00:52:45.080 actually did these

00:52:45.720 killings but the

00:52:47.000 police said at the

00:52:47.740 time that he was

00:52:48.860 prone to solitary

00:52:49.880 vices and

00:52:51.160 experienced auditory

00:52:52.300 hallucinations

00:52:53.400 that's one of the

00:52:55.600 main symptoms of

00:52:56.560 schizophrenia

00:52:57.040 the police also

00:52:59.980 described him at the

00:53:00.740 time as a Polish

00:53:02.400 Jew and resident in

00:53:03.280 Whitechapel this man 0.98

00:53:04.420 became insane owing

00:53:05.480 to many years of

00:53:06.240 indulgence in solitary

00:53:07.400 vices which is a

00:53:09.820 failed way of saying

00:53:10.800 something else he

00:53:11.820 had a great hatred

00:53:12.580 of women especially 1.00

00:53:13.540 of the prostitute 0.54

00:53:14.380 class and had strong 0.94

00:53:15.820 homicidal tendencies

00:53:16.940 he was removed to a

00:53:18.880 lunatic asylum in

00:53:20.220 March 1889 and the

00:53:22.560 killing stopped

00:53:23.140 because that's one of

00:53:25.160 the things that a lot

00:53:25.920 of you know modern day

00:53:27.040 sort of FBI profilers

00:53:29.000 and or even Scotland

00:53:30.400 Yard profilers they say

00:53:31.880 when you get a killer

00:53:32.740 like the Ripper you've

00:53:35.000 got increasingly more

00:53:36.700 violent like the last

00:53:39.060 murder the very last

00:53:40.580 murder of Mary Jane

00:53:42.780 Kelly is unbelievable

00:53:44.340 he dismembered her 0.98

00:53:45.360 ripped off her face 1.00

00:53:47.420 put bits of her in a 0.95

00:53:48.520 fire maybe ate them 0.97

00:53:49.600 just as mad and 0.94

00:53:51.440 depraved as it gets 0.98

00:53:52.780 usually that person

00:53:54.100 won't stop cannot

00:53:55.500 stop so the idea that

00:53:57.920 they did just stop

00:53:58.800 means that either he

00:54:00.600 died or he was put in

00:54:01.680 prison or a mental

00:54:02.360 asylum or something

00:54:03.140 usually the pathology of

00:54:04.880 these people is that

00:54:05.720 when they get that far

00:54:06.540 down the line you

00:54:08.520 don't just suddenly

00:54:09.620 think oh that's enough

00:54:10.500 I've filled my boots

00:54:11.900 I'm happy now I'll go

00:54:13.440 back to being normal

00:54:14.240 it doesn't it doesn't

00:54:15.300 really work like that

00:54:16.260 so it speaks of a

00:54:17.020 worsening condition

00:54:17.760 doesn't it right it's

00:54:19.320 on a slippery slope

00:54:20.100 into into hell so

00:54:22.420 what's the the new

00:54:23.560 evidence okay sorry

00:54:24.820 yes so her shawl

00:54:26.040 there we are there's a

00:54:26.900 drawing of him a bit

00:54:27.640 in later life so there

00:54:28.720 was this shawl and it

00:54:32.320 was said that it

00:54:33.300 belonged to her

00:54:35.260 to Eccles

00:54:37.080 Eddowes sorry

00:54:38.880 Catherine Eddowes

00:54:39.640 it said that it

00:54:40.140 belonged to her and

00:54:41.400 through through DNA of

00:54:43.660 their descendants it

00:54:45.040 was shown that it had

00:54:45.860 his DNA on it but what

00:54:47.560 cast doubt on it was the

00:54:49.740 provenance of it was it

00:54:50.720 certainly her shawl and

00:54:53.620 so in recent time very

00:54:54.700 recently through surviving

00:54:57.320 members of her family

00:54:58.260 they were able to show

00:54:59.080 that it was her shawl

00:55:00.540 certainly so it came up

00:55:02.200 for auction in like 2007

00:55:03.340 or something as it was

00:55:05.020 said that it was her

00:55:05.960 shawl and it was said 0.89

00:55:06.860 that it was found at the

00:55:07.820 scene of the murder but

00:55:09.600 you know the chain of

00:55:11.360 custody can we be sure

00:55:12.740 of that or not turns out

00:55:13.960 DNA shows it was so it

00:55:15.540 links him to the scene

00:55:16.820 as sort of a slam dunk at

00:55:18.580 that point right is that

00:55:20.320 fair to say

00:55:20.980 probably I mean you know

00:55:23.820 just on that I mean now

00:55:26.640 you would ask the question

00:55:27.960 was that shown to him in

00:55:31.100 interview for example did

00:55:32.720 he have an opportunity to

00:55:33.800 touch it was the police

00:55:35.220 officer who took custody of

00:55:36.620 or who interviewed or had

00:55:39.020 any contact with this

00:55:40.040 individual also did that

00:55:42.440 police officer have contact

00:55:43.740 with this piece of evidence

00:55:45.000 in which case was the was

00:55:46.660 the contamination of the

00:55:47.780 evidence I mean you would

00:55:48.820 look at that sort of thing

00:55:49.700 now but nonetheless this

00:55:51.940 you know it's a it's an

00:55:53.460 interesting piece of

00:55:54.240 evidence I would you

00:55:55.600 know nowadays you

00:55:56.320 wouldn't say that was

00:55:56.980 conclusive and a court

00:55:57.980 wouldn't you know without

00:55:58.960 understanding whether or

00:56:00.440 not contamination could

00:56:01.520 have taken place or not

00:56:02.940 a court wouldn't necessarily

00:56:04.900 it would it would be

00:56:06.360 weaker than it back then

00:56:08.600 it would yeah that's why

00:56:09.980 it's great to have you on

00:56:10.700 that was the really the

00:56:12.000 question I wanted to ask

00:56:13.100 you I feel that for me I'm

00:56:15.800 happy to say now that it

00:56:17.600 was Aaron Kosminski but I

00:56:19.680 feel like if it was to if

00:56:20.860 he'd somehow lived to be

00:56:21.600 180 years old and was

00:56:22.640 still alive and could be

00:56:24.160 put on trial I suspect it

00:56:26.840 would be a difficult trial

00:56:28.080 because a clever defending

00:56:29.420 barrister would say you know

00:56:31.640 the chain of custody of the

00:56:32.780 shawl of the evidence has

00:56:34.420 been broken and all the

00:56:36.120 things you just said like did

00:56:37.340 the police officers do X Y

00:56:38.620 said I suspect a very very

00:56:39.960 clever barrister might be able

00:56:42.380 to cast doubt nevertheless it

00:56:45.260 was almost certainly him that

00:56:46.640 said these are the sort of

00:56:47.660 things that now police will

00:56:49.580 consider and there are very

00:56:51.060 strict protocols with

00:56:53.680 regards to handling of

00:56:54.520 evidence and the interview

00:56:56.020 you know and the potential

00:56:58.680 for cross-contamination because

00:57:00.440 some very serious cases have

00:57:01.640 been lost because not

00:57:03.660 necessarily that cross-

00:57:04.900 contamination has taken place

00:57:06.280 but because there was a

00:57:07.480 possibility that it may have

00:57:08.840 done right right and so this

00:57:11.780 shawl was you know hasn't been

00:57:14.540 kept in a police evidence room

00:57:17.040 ever since 1888 so right it

00:57:20.700 could be it could be a very

00:57:21.780 very clever and sort of cynical

00:57:24.900 attempt by someone along the

00:57:26.300 line to mix DNA it almost

00:57:28.320 certainly isn't I don't think

00:57:29.280 that is the case but but also

00:57:30.580 possible isn't it also it's

00:57:31.860 also you know what that DNA

00:57:33.660 comes from as well so you know

00:57:38.060 was the injury was it his blood

00:57:40.480 was it semen was it or whatever

00:57:42.860 you know because that also

00:57:45.160 would be indicative because the

00:57:46.580 chances of you know for example

00:57:48.740 without getting too graphic a

00:57:50.680 semen cross-contamination would 0.99

00:57:53.260 be unlikely in a police

00:57:55.060 interview room you know for

00:57:57.260 example one would hope it makes

00:57:59.920 the point yeah but anyway so no

00:58:03.940 absolutely so I mean I think now

00:58:06.260 it is sort of kind of case closed

00:58:08.880 it was Kuzminski and he was you

00:58:11.920 know massively suspected at the

00:58:13.560 time massively well that the guy

00:58:16.360 sitting down there is his brother

00:58:17.520 there's no real photographs of him

00:58:19.180 in sort of later or middle age but

00:58:21.720 he apparently looked very much like

00:58:23.240 his brother there Isaac the guy

00:58:24.500 sitting down so again that's very

00:58:25.640 close to the face of Jack the

00:58:27.740 Ripper there so there are all sorts

00:58:32.500 of other elements that we can

00:58:34.240 mention but I will sort of I just

00:58:35.940 think it's very interesting

00:58:36.720 because it's been in the news

00:58:37.540 recently and we've got an ex

00:58:38.620 policeman on and I'm fascinated by

00:58:40.400 it I thought it was interesting to

00:58:42.360 mention that it's probably case

00:58:45.140 closed at this point yeah I mean one

00:58:47.320 of the interesting things just as a

00:58:48.780 slight aside to this is Thames Valley

00:58:52.180 police have a museum at Sol

00:58:54.340 Hampstead and there's some of the

00:58:57.220 evidence from some of the sort of the

00:58:58.900 evidence or some of the crimes that

00:59:00.840 were committed sort of you know in the

00:59:02.240 1880s or whatever it might be and I

00:59:05.720 you know some of these older but you

00:59:07.840 know most police forces I think it was

00:59:10.620 the Berkshire Constabulary in those

00:59:12.380 days or something but a lot of these

00:59:13.880 these police forces maintain museums

00:59:16.180 and some of that they're restricted

00:59:18.780 opening hours and so on they're not

00:59:20.260 sort of open you know every day but if

00:59:23.600 you can get access to them some of the

00:59:25.160 things that you've you know find in

00:59:26.840 there it's a real sort of grizzly so

00:59:29.380 then kind of display that's on there

00:59:33.580 but very very interesting to think

00:59:35.880 about how talk about medical science

00:59:39.520 and so on but how policing has moved on

00:59:41.680 so much and the sophistication of it

00:59:44.320 because as you alluded to you know the

00:59:46.880 gathering of evidence you didn't have

00:59:48.240 the forensics you didn't have the the

00:59:50.160 police databases you didn't have the

00:59:52.120 same access to documentary records if

00:59:54.700 you committed crime in London the

00:59:56.240 chances of of cross-referencing sort

00:59:58.620 of something to do with that with what

01:00:00.640 happened I don't know in North Wales

01:00:02.200 would have been you know almost

01:00:04.080 impossible so you do it's very

01:00:06.900 interesting how that you do the very

01:00:08.440 basic approach to policing it was just

01:00:11.120 people scratching their heads

01:00:12.560 basically and just trying to figure it

01:00:14.700 out

01:00:15.140 because they had the Met Police by the

01:00:18.300 late 19th century but the idea of a

01:00:21.120 London police force a standing London

01:00:22.780 police force wasn't all that old I

01:00:24.440 mean goes back to sort of Robert Peel the

01:00:25.960 Peelers in the early 19th century I

01:00:28.140 mean that's not that long ago is it

01:00:29.620 detective sort of you know specialist

01:00:32.560 detectives were what really came from

01:00:35.860 the Met from Scotland Yard and often

01:00:38.660 would be sort of seconded out to help

01:00:40.820 with cases if there was a request from a

01:00:42.640 prevention provincial force but there is

01:00:44.600 this idea that the Met is sort of all

01:00:46.240 singing all dancing and so on well as a

01:00:48.240 former provincial police officer I would

01:00:50.500 say although one of the biggest busiest

01:00:53.020 divisions in the United Kingdom at the

01:00:55.200 time I you know I'd say that's a little

01:00:58.300 bit false you know sometimes specialists

01:01:01.740 come in small groups you know and the

01:01:04.100 Met has its strengths but but sometimes

01:01:06.980 it's overblown a lot of the expertise is

01:01:09.640 out in the provincial areas but we do you

01:01:11.440 know it has me the point is it's moved on

01:01:13.400 everything's moved on a great deal and

01:01:15.340 it's fascinating with modern eyes to look

01:01:18.640 back at these sort of cases as it is you

01:01:21.920 know with politics you can think you

01:01:23.920 know Howard Disraeli or Gladstone or

01:01:27.360 whoever have dealt with the situation in

01:01:30.040 Ukraine or Lloyd George or whoever you

01:01:33.200 know yeah I wonder how Palmerston would

01:01:35.200 have dealt with Putin well yeah I mean you

01:01:38.920 know we never know the answers to these

01:01:40.400 things but if you've got idle moments and

01:01:43.320 some sad people like myself think about

01:01:45.820 well one last angle I'll just talk about

01:01:49.240 briefly before we move on is the idea that

01:01:54.720 it's not right or it's unfair to pick on a

01:01:59.920 Polish or Polish Jewish immigrant but

01:02:02.460 there's people on Twitter saying of course

01:02:05.080 you know they're picking on immigrants I

01:02:08.080 think that's such an insane take it's like

01:02:11.260 no the evidence no I'm not interested in

01:02:13.440 any of that nonsense I'm interested in

01:02:15.880 fact and the truth the guy happens to be a

01:02:19.760 Polish immigrant then so be it I don't 1.00

01:02:22.760 it's got nothing to do with anything no I

01:02:25.060 agree I mean but I do I would in this

01:02:28.480 case no but I would sort of go back to my

01:02:31.020 my earlier comment that it is a reality of

01:02:35.680 criminality and policing the rule of law

01:02:39.500 that certain communities have a propensity

01:02:42.820 towards certain types of crime and that

01:02:44.560 can give you some idea as to what's going

01:02:47.720 on so if you have a car theft in the east

01:02:49.680 of the east of Reading the east end of

01:02:51.860 Reading in in the mid-1990s the chances

01:02:55.580 are that it's a young Pakistani lad now

01:02:58.620 that's not you know that's that's not

01:03:00.920 saying it is it is just that that community

01:03:04.220 at that time had a propensity towards

01:03:06.500 that sort of crime likewise Albanians in 1.00

01:03:09.100 the UK you you know we know what sort of

01:03:11.620 organized crime the Albanians are involved 1.00

01:03:13.500 with we know what sort of organized crime

01:03:16.080 Kurds are involved in that's not saying

01:03:17.820 that all Albanians all Kurds are involved

01:03:19.760 in it but there's a propensity in those

01:03:21.640 communities to towards certain types of

01:03:23.420 crimes where other communities in the UK

01:03:25.500 won't have that so there is that element

01:03:28.320 if you like of profiling and if we if we rule

01:03:32.220 that out of our of our discussion then a we

01:03:36.140 absolve those communities of responsibility

01:03:38.060 for dealing with it and b we ourselves are

01:03:41.840 denying ourselves the the opportunity to

01:03:44.400 address it in a bespoke manner and therefore

01:03:47.660 we're not keeping we're neglecting our duty to

01:03:50.240 keep the public safe so okay there's a million

01:03:52.760 and one other things I could say about the

01:03:55.140 ripper murders but I'll leave it up to other

01:03:56.820 people to do if they're interested in that if

01:03:59.460 they've not heard of it before I can't

01:04:00.980 imagine there'll be many people but there's

01:04:02.780 lots and lots of documentaries and books

01:04:04.700 there's so many bits of evidence and

01:04:07.260 interesting threads to pull on there but

01:04:09.620 it looks like case closed we've got a few

01:04:14.940 comments to fire away with but we're a bit

01:04:16.940 pressed for time so I'm just going to read

01:04:18.900 them out so will they make Jack the Ripper

01:04:23.840 black in the Netflix documentary I would be

01:04:27.980 surprised and a woman maybe yeah 0.73

01:04:29.440 they do like doing that but I know you

01:04:31.940 like space science have you looked at the

01:04:34.080 magnetic pole reversal in progress

01:04:36.140 follow at Sun Weatherman on X so there you

01:04:39.980 go yeah that is a very interesting

01:04:41.380 phenomenon and I still think it was the

01:04:45.800 butler in the billiard room with the knife

01:04:47.880 nice Cluedo reference there and if

01:04:53.060 diversity built Britain why would none of 1.00

01:04:54.620 Jack's victims women of color well there 1.00

01:04:57.860 we go Jack was seen praying five times a

01:05:01.300 day well I don't get it but anyway I

01:05:05.560 wanted to talk a little bit about a new

01:05:08.900 phrase that has been coined to describe a

01:05:12.100 new identity for modern Britain and that is

01:05:16.260 that of the UK with Y and two O's and it's a

01:05:21.660 sort of play to my mind at least to my

01:05:24.220 understanding of the sort of multi ethnic

01:05:28.660 lingua I don't know what they call it

01:05:31.760 necessarily the name escapes me but it's

01:05:33.700 that sort of multicultural London English

01:05:35.760 isn't it I think that's the acronym that

01:05:37.540 they use and it's a good phrase that I think 1.00

01:05:42.340 people have already started adopting

01:05:43.800 because it makes a distinction between

01:05:45.580 historic Britain of course you think of

01:05:47.700 Britain you think of the British Empire you

01:05:49.280 think of our long and storied history

01:05:51.640 something to be proud of and then you

01:05:54.460 think of the UK which has become sort of

01:05:59.480 synonymous in many right-wing circles as

01:06:02.560 being simply referred to as an economic

01:06:05.540 zone a place whereby its citizenry are

01:06:08.340 interchangeable and they're only valued

01:06:10.500 in so much as they contribute to the

01:06:12.700 economy and this sort of term for it is

01:06:16.660 it's trying to suggest that it's

01:06:19.480 something distinct from the Britain of 0.77

01:06:21.640 the past and I think it is I think that

01:06:23.420 much of the imagery of modern Britain

01:06:26.020 suggests that we are something very

01:06:28.080 different than the Britain that we once

01:06:30.980 knew and I I personally like to see more

01:06:34.120 of once more and to summarize this very

01:06:36.920 long post explaining it from the person

01:06:38.800 who I believe coined the term they're

01:06:40.820 basically describing it as a

01:06:42.280 transformation of Britain due to mass

01:06:43.800 migration and this is got cultural

01:06:46.140 demographic and linguistic transformations

01:06:48.720 and this creates something entirely

01:06:50.720 distinct from historic Britain and it

01:06:53.000 first started appearing in major cities

01:06:54.800 and then spread out from them and then

01:06:57.940 over time these new cultural identities

01:06:59.560 become established facts rather than

01:07:01.660 tested changes and then the idea of

01:07:05.040 reversing such changes is presented as

01:07:07.260 increasingly unlikely over time and

01:07:09.800 they make the analogy of how pre-Saxon

01:07:12.320 Britonic identity is now largely historic

01:07:14.920 as it has been entirely subsumed into

01:07:16.860 the Anglo-Saxon or English identity as a

01:07:20.100 sort of historic president for this and

01:07:22.740 you can see this and lots of people have

01:07:25.200 been sharing just images from modern

01:07:28.180 Britain that encapsulate this without 0.78

01:07:30.880 any commentary because the pictures speak

01:07:33.600 for themselves about the state of the

01:07:35.440 country this is a good one because I like

01:07:39.120 the juxtaposition between 200 nationalities

01:07:41.680 and a national health service of course

01:07:44.500 you can't have a national health service if

01:07:46.860 it serves 200 nationalities it becomes an

01:07:49.460 international health service and so not

01:07:52.020 only is it a strange bit of multicultural 0.62

01:07:54.760 fetishism it's also an impossibility you

01:07:59.060 can't have a national health service that

01:08:01.120 serves pretty much the whole world it's

01:08:04.960 interesting isn't it I and there's another

01:08:06.720 reason I quite like that I think one of the

01:08:09.660 problems that we've got and I'm you

01:08:12.900 introduced me this to this term today so

01:08:15.460 I'm new to it so I have to get my head

01:08:17.540 around it a little bit but the idea the

01:08:21.900 reason I quite like that picture or not

01:08:24.200 like it but why it's relevant is because we

01:08:28.040 don't have one multicultural society here we 1.00

01:08:32.720 have a population that is divided by by the

01:08:39.920 fact that it was divided into different

01:08:42.060 cultures and the only time and you could

01:08:47.000 say that for Britain throughout the

01:08:48.380 history it's the sort of you know the

01:08:50.100 East Saxons first the West Saxons the you 0.99

01:08:52.880 know whoever the Mercians I don't know you

01:08:55.640 know divided but but actually you know I

01:08:59.980 you're the historian Bo but you know King

01:09:02.740 Alfred and all the rest of it and bringing

01:09:04.360 the country together what you can be

01:09:07.820 different British Army regiments there's

01:09:10.600 competition there's there's you know there's a

01:09:13.220 healthy competition between them and

01:09:14.720 rivalry but you share something in common

01:09:19.000 and that's the interesting thing about 200

01:09:22.080 nationalities one NHS wouldn't it the only

01:09:25.660 way that you can have different cultures

01:09:28.960 working alongside each other to mutual

01:09:32.500 benefit is if you share a common cause a

01:09:37.080 common vision a common identity and that's

01:09:42.900 not the case here multiculturalism is more 0.93

01:09:46.580 about highlighting the differences between

01:09:50.080 cultures rather than what we have in

01:09:53.360 common and ever since you know for the last

01:09:57.360 probably 30 40 decade 30 40 years we have

01:10:02.000 been living in a country where it has been

01:10:03.680 unfashionable to fly the Union flag condemned

01:10:07.280 in certain cases the English flag the St George's

01:10:09.880 flag certainly condemned on on many in many

01:10:13.280 cases we've been instead flying from public

01:10:17.180 buildings the LGBT you plus plus plus God knows 0.92

01:10:22.320 what flag which is not everyone's flag it is the

01:10:27.280 flag of a particular group in society we've been

01:10:30.100 highlighting the differences rather than the

01:10:33.060 things we have in common that common identity

01:10:34.800 now so we've got that problem regarding the NHS

01:10:38.960 there's another so so there's no unity we don't

01:10:41.600 have a multicultural Britain we have a Britain that

01:10:44.060 is comprised of a patchwork of often very disparate

01:10:50.060 cultures and communities and societies and that's

01:10:55.900 not a good thing that's not healthy and there are

01:10:58.220 people who make their political careers and I say

01:11:00.800 political even at a sort of very very local

01:11:03.940 parochial level who sort of gain local status in

01:11:07.840 their sort of little in their street or in their you

01:11:09.760 know in their in their local council or whatever by

01:11:13.900 feeding off this and and again highlighting the

01:11:18.900 differences and we're being treated badly we're

01:11:20.900 doing they're not thinking about the broader real

01:11:24.080 community and the thing about the NHS is the the other

01:11:28.940 aspect of all of this is that we are overwhelmed and the

01:11:33.440 NHS is a good example there are too many people living in

01:11:38.000 this country and we have not we a we haven't got the space I

01:11:43.280 believe without concreting over this green and pleasant land

01:11:46.500 but but secondly we have not and we cannot afford to invest in

01:11:52.220 all of the infrastructure in the NHS in policing in schools in

01:11:55.800 hospitals in in roads in every in sewerage we can't have we

01:12:01.320 can't sustain it and that again builds tension between those

01:12:05.560 communities because you know we blame the influx we blame the foreigners we 1.00

01:12:09.680 blame the immigrants now that's not our fault it is

01:12:13.280 pressure and we all suffer as a result it is the fault back again to our

01:12:18.160 politicians who don't want to listen to people and and we have I don't

01:12:23.080 know whether we're going to talk about tyranny but on that I think the

01:12:29.380 biggest threat to in terms of tyrannical power in the United Kingdom is the

01:12:36.900 failure the refusal of politicians those in power at the moment the Labour

01:12:43.420 government particularly to show the slightest bit of respect for democratic

01:12:48.940 expression of views they don't care in fact they lie to you to win you over

01:12:54.040 before the election and then when they're in power they do something totally

01:12:57.560 different that shows total disrespect for the British people and I don't care 1.00

01:13:01.160 whether you're a Labour supporter or a Conservative supporter or Reform supporter

01:13:04.220 I don't care it shows total disregard and for you your views and a total

01:13:10.040 disrespect for you if they were listening they would have been doing things

01:13:13.620 very differently and I think that the NHS is is an example of that overwhelming

01:13:17.720 you know we have been overwhelmed it's also very badly run I mean it's not you

01:13:22.780 know but so the police and so the schools and so everything again it's been

01:13:26.640 neglected and we brought in people who bring in cultural values from elsewhere

01:13:31.380 that and JD Vance was absolutely on the money with this we have abandoned our

01:13:37.640 fundamental principles of expression of idea and views and and therefore

01:13:43.620 democracy and if you can't have these discussions you will never improve if you

01:13:48.600 only are speaking to people that you want to whose views you want to hear then you

01:13:53.360 will never address these problems and so we've got to break that model now how we

01:13:57.520 do that is really through conversations like this I think and people actually

01:14:01.620 getting out of the pubs and out of the cafes and out of their living rooms they

01:14:06.540 all listening out there and actually saying no I want the detail I don't want just

01:14:12.660 the headline pledges I don't want the promises I don't want all this these

01:14:16.920 sound bites I want to know how you're going to do this what it's going to cost and when

01:14:21.960 it's going to be delivered who buy what are you going to reorganize and how you're

01:14:25.000 going to do it because otherwise you're just like the conservatives you promise

01:14:28.120 to stop things you promise to do things and you never do because you've never

01:14:31.440 figured out how to do it and that's the that's the difference here and I think

01:14:35.920 we we as people need to we're very I mean you get the French and then they'll 1.00

01:14:40.380 they'll get really upset they'll you know they'll be dropping manure

01:14:44.080 everywhere and all the rest of it and you know but here in the UK we're kind of

01:14:47.960 we're quietly British I like that but sometimes we need to get passionate I'd

01:14:52.880 say um one step further than that the government ignores the people in fact

01:14:57.240 they they demonize them and try to prosecute them

01:15:00.820 absolutely right so we've got so it's in fact sorry sorry Bo but yes we you're

01:15:06.000 absolutely right well we've gone through the stage that I just talked about we are

01:15:09.560 at that stage but now because there are those of us who are standing up and saying

01:15:14.100 these things calling them out um now the government the authorities the elite in

01:15:19.480 Whitehall whatever they are pushing back and this is where the

01:15:23.720 authoritarianism is coming in and and again JD Vance thank you very much

01:15:28.580 Mr Vice President for for saying what needs to be said but why on earth does it

01:15:33.900 take the Vice President of the United States to say these things and to be

01:15:37.500 listened to the rest Keir Starmer all of you sitting in the House of Commons you

01:15:43.040 need to be listening to what the British public are concerned about

01:15:46.200 yeah I'll say I know you've got a bunch of these but I'll just say this

01:15:50.240 particular image speaks a thousand words doesn't it I mean it uh it's almost it's 0.73

01:15:55.380 sort of double think isn't it it's sort of obviously nonsense and a liar right in 0.82

01:15:59.960 your face it could be straight from the Ministry of Truth it could be straight 0.94

01:16:03.840 from MiniTrue uh because everybody knows the NHS the budgets are insane and

01:16:08.760 completely unsustainable can I just sorry you're right I'm sorry forgive me for

01:16:13.720 sort of for jumping in but something that I think is important and is left out

01:16:18.220 you know do we want being a little bit SDP here because it's one of the

01:16:24.220 attractions for me of that party is do we want positive democratically driven

01:16:30.940 um government regulation of the NHS do we think it's inefficient does it require

01:16:37.760 more and more sort of um you know the sort of delegation of power to local NHS or

01:16:44.020 does it need the government to actually grip it and drive efficiency rather like

01:16:47.940 we're seeing Elon Musk being tasked to do in the US I think that's it requires

01:16:52.900 government involvement do we think that the government an efficient effective

01:16:57.560 government would actually drive an improvement in education in policing in

01:17:03.640 public transport what I'm trying to say here is the government is surely got a

01:17:09.060 role in ensuring that things like the NHS policing public transport the energy

01:17:14.640 companies and the infrastructure the strategic infrastructure of the country

01:17:17.780 is delivering as an empowerment or delivering an empowerment empowerment to

01:17:23.900 society and if you like the capitalist element of the economy um do we think that

01:17:30.860 having EDF a French state owned company running part of our energy infrastructure

01:17:37.520 is appropriate why why have the French do it and not us it's run by the French

01:17:43.720 state EDF is a French state company um so you know we we need I think to reassert

01:17:50.860 our our influence as a state over that infrastructure not because it's a socialist

01:17:59.080 program but because if your railways don't work if your buses don't work if your doctor

01:18:05.480 surgeries don't work if your policing doesn't work if you if your power doesn't work if your

01:18:10.060 sewerage is overwhelmed then it's then society is struggling and and it's becoming more and more

01:18:17.800 difficult for the economy the small businessman to actually make money to get traction make money

01:18:25.980 and provide services to the local community and I think it's crucial but what we've been doing is

01:18:31.660 selling it all off and we have been we're you know we've bit with we're the we've got a company

01:18:37.580 just as an example very briefly this I'll finish on this point because I can see but um we've got a

01:18:42.900 company that was um the world's leader as I understand in hypersonic engines okay this is

01:18:49.160 something that takes something more than 3.5 times the speed of sound small company I think it was in

01:18:54.320 the West Midlands okay waiting for a contract from British Aerospace um but was you know needed a loan

01:19:01.600 of 20 million 20 million to tie itself over until that that contract well the government refused to give

01:19:09.100 them that loan so we've got the world leading technological advantage here you know the Americans

01:19:15.520 are interested everybody's interested um but they're not quite there yet to put the contracts in place

01:19:21.080 and the government refused to give them that 20 million loan and so the thing went into administration

01:19:26.140 well why what about our steel industry now you know are we saying no the market decides everything

01:19:33.840 no these are these are strategic assets strategic advantages and they are strategic infrastructure

01:19:40.720 off which everything else hangs in the economy and society and we're neglecting it sorry very broad

01:19:45.900 point I'll just quickly say it's very broad interesting point about the name the very nature of

01:19:50.220 government what should we everything you said I'm sure there's lots of libertarians out there

01:19:54.340 screaming about statism and things but it's a very good point because I mean I'm I don't like a large

01:20:00.500 state however when you're faced with the decision of either the British state controls it or the

01:20:07.680 Chinese are going to buy it yeah or the French a French corporation is going to buy it then well

01:20:12.200 suddenly I abandon sort of some of my libertarian leanings and it's not because I'm a socialist

01:20:17.660 everyone knows I'm the furthest thing from a socialist it's not because I want a big government or a big

01:20:23.260 state but if you've got a binary choice between the the our state comes in and control something or

01:20:30.480 a foreign some sort of foreign entity buys it but we've got to create surely that's not we've got

01:20:37.080 to create create the framework that engenders encourages and facilitates the growth of small

01:20:42.980 businesses in the way that they want to grow you've got to create those sort of that infrastructure

01:20:48.060 they're rather like the skeleton and and blood vessels and so on of the body you know it empowers

01:20:53.780 everything else and then everything else can can build off that and that's how I feel about it

01:21:00.000 um you can go too far though and yeah I can see that yeah you're itching here so I am yeah my personal

01:21:08.380 opinion is that um the state should only be involved um unless it's a case of civic um service in in in

01:21:15.660 terms of the justice system on policing or a matter of national defense and so I also would lump in energy

01:21:22.060 and food security into that and I think that anything beyond that and usually the government

01:21:27.320 tends to interfere and interrupt that but that's sort of my Austrian economics leanings there you're

01:21:33.160 but you say that Austrian but who who owns the railways in Austria um Österreichs Bundesbahn the state owns it

01:21:40.660 they accept a massive loss on the railways because they understand that the railways empower

01:21:48.160 rural communities so you get small businesses small factories and so on growing up in villages

01:21:53.180 out in the out in the mountains out in the hills that don't have to relocate to the to the cities

01:21:57.740 and overwhelm the infrastructure of the cities they can stay there they can employ local people out

01:22:02.040 there they keep local communities alive and they make a loss but we make a loss on our railways here as

01:22:07.420 well okay because we're subsidizing the shareholders we're you know so which do you prefer

01:22:13.260 so if it empowers local economy and business and the economy you know that kind of thing then and a

01:22:20.180 vibrant society then it's a good thing if you look at steel for example the state steps back

01:22:25.960 increasingly to the point where and that's another national like an indian corporation buys it all

01:22:30.820 and runs it into the ground yeah it's like well and was that the best thing to do you need you need

01:22:36.680 steel to make arms don't you say it's one of those industries that I would classify as but anyway

01:22:41.540 we've barely got started yeah another thing here the sort of dystopian messaging England doesn't win

01:22:48.680 without immigration this is subversion yeah a board in the back of a bar don't know why you need 1.00

01:22:54.140 political messaging or going for a drink surely that should be an escape this is my personal

01:22:58.640 favorite one here um you know lend your vote to Gaza with the dilapidated building in the background 0.53

01:23:04.420 this has got to be Birmingham hasn't oh yeah West Midlands I think it's clever but the main message

01:23:09.180 for me there and we haven't touched on this and we haven't got time to but um is the rise of

01:23:15.860 sectarian religiously sectarian politics the balkanization of Britain well it's it is but 0.96

01:23:22.180 it's it's worse it is it is the movement towards politics driven by religious ideology well that's

01:23:29.680 part of this new that is exclusive yeah it is it is and it is it is I think incredibly dangerous

01:23:36.260 uh here's another one here so I didn't know what pan was until I looked it up I don't know

01:23:42.800 and apparently it is uh an Indian uh that's what that's doing thing um yeah yeah apparently it's to

01:23:50.420 to refresh the mouth but there's another sign here this is a different council saying no to

01:23:55.740 this is of course not a problem in Britain before multiculturalism uh another problem here that we've 1.00

01:24:01.340 got to have our signs in Urdu of course uh language of Pakistan here's another um not a photoshop no

01:24:07.820 it's not this is uh of course uh uh a man walking his pet dog um oh wait no it's not it's uh of course

01:24:15.200 a man leading a goat uh past a British roundabout which uh we didn't do uh until recently uh here

01:24:22.880 we have the average Welsh woman um this is apparently what uh Welsh people look like uh

01:24:30.780 another one here is a partnership between Somaliland and Wales because of course everyone knows people

01:24:37.420 in Somaliland can point to Wales on a map and uh here's another one University of Bradford um has now

01:24:43.840 become dry and as you can imagine as I'm going to show you there is a specific reason for this

01:24:50.420 if I can find Bradford on a map I'm from Devon so this is surprisingly more difficult um oh

01:24:57.500 thanks for accepting the cookies there Samson um now we're going to get tracked by the government

01:25:03.200 but here it is um I've got the the the darker blue the more um British Asian there are oh look at that 1.00

01:25:10.900 Bradford uh 70 percent 86 percent okay so it's because there's a very large number of Muslims who don't 1.00

01:25:18.800 believe in drinking alcohol that's why that's happened what we're seeing here is not not

01:25:23.260 multiculturalism it's but monoculturalism and it's it excludes our culture it is yes it's it's 0.99

01:25:31.120 replacing our culture it is it is it's cultural displacement the foreign enclave it is exactly 1.00

01:25:36.640 here we're seeing someone advertising their services for protection against magic the evil eye

01:25:41.900 and jinn which of course it means a genie uh I've covered uh the growth of um government funding

01:25:48.740 to investigate islamic witchcraft before it's not a joke by the way uh we actually put money in the

01:25:54.340 nhs towards um dealing with beliefs in genies um this is a real thing and uh here we have a hadith

01:26:02.360 of the day uh along with a bunch of trains that are late ironically along the side there I think you

01:26:08.680 had a personal experience of that today I did thanks great I've certainly had that as well I

01:26:14.060 said um I haven't had hadiths read out to me recently um thankfully here's another one here is

01:26:20.220 the queen herself along with uh lots of islamic women presumably saying end the patriarchy say no

01:26:27.320 to gender discrimination and empowering women and empowering humanity which is a bit of a juxtaposition

01:26:32.200 between both their dress and the messages obviously they've been put up to this but this is

01:26:36.540 of course the ideology of the british state these days and double think isn't it it is yeah um perfect

01:26:43.080 there's a real juxtaposition isn't there here's another one we we did not come to britain britain

01:26:48.500 came to us and uh this is obviously trying to push the the notion that because we had a

01:26:55.180 a colonial empire we must have multiculturalism which of course is a non-sequitur the cape colony

01:27:01.300 exists therefore infinite somalis yes apparently so england now now this is something i've seen

01:27:07.440 myself in twindon uh an interesting cultural practice i mean i shouldn't laugh i mean it it is

01:27:13.320 pretty useful i imagine uh to be able to go hands-free um i mean she's able to look at her 0.86

01:27:17.720 phone carrier bag and something on her head i couldn't do that i couldn't either uh but it's just

01:27:22.020 a sign that the times are changing um as bob dylan sang in 1962 i think it was um london park named

01:27:30.100 after four-time prime minister william gladstone could be renamed uh after the political titan that

01:27:35.000 is diane abbott um i don't understand how this has come to be that we're renaming you know famous

01:27:43.160 victorian politicians like he's victorian right yeah yeah yeah four-time pm and then you're seeing

01:27:49.500 adverts send money to nigeria instantly why would british people want to do that we send 23 by 2022

01:27:56.760 22 figures i think world bank we spend 23 send 23.6 billion pounds to other countries through

01:28:04.820 remittances so people who are foreign people who are working in this country and sending money back

01:28:10.140 so that's 23.6 million a billion that goes out every year of the country but of course we need them here

01:28:15.180 to uh grow the economy don't we that's true uh here's another one here japa apparently means like a

01:28:20.560 middle class person who's left for work in nigeria it's actually a slang term thanks for translating

01:28:26.040 that advert um of course this is targeted advertising to nigerians in britain for some reason send as much 0.91

01:28:32.560 money home yes uh here's another one it's saying basically don't forget your relatives and then here's

01:28:38.520 another one um this is for people to send money to india apparently um for whatever reason uh that's on

01:28:46.280 the um that's on the uh the entrance to a train i think i don't oh it's the tube isn't it um here's

01:28:54.700 another one i don't even understand this one when good times mean gold gappers and gupshup this is just

01:29:01.320 another targeted advert towards i presume people from the the indian subcontinent i don't even know what

01:29:07.640 this means but it's again sending money um it's just open the here's the way to extract wealth

01:29:14.580 from britain this is now being openly advertised um there are signs on toilet saying please do not

01:29:20.520 wash your feet in the sink i don't think british people necessarily need to be told this i sort of

01:29:25.260 knew this um even as a very young child not to do that nor could i reach again we go back to those

01:29:31.680 cultural sort of practices which are normal in other countries so from if you're practicing muslim in

01:29:36.860 other countries you will often you will go to a communal sort of washing area outside the mosque

01:29:42.900 before you pray and before you pray you're supposed to wash uh wash certain parts of your body and you 0.94

01:29:48.940 know if it's that time of day uh you need to wash before you pray that's that that's the practice

01:29:54.520 now you know you've got this cultural sort of now the the point for us if you like as

01:30:00.660 as indigenous brits if i can use that that phrase but to differentiate um but um is that who's going

01:30:08.500 to be using that sink next i know you know it's a public race you know it is gross and i by our 0.95

01:30:13.720 standards now they will say well you know you're being you know but no you know this is where we

01:30:19.720 have cultural norms that are in conflict with each other if if they want to practice their culture as

01:30:27.000 they wish they can they have a home to return to we only have one britain and so we we should live

01:30:33.940 by our own terms if you don't walk around barefoot or in flip-flops you shouldn't need to wash your

01:30:38.620 feet in the middle of the day anyway it's about the englishman wear socks and shoes thank you it's

01:30:42.380 about the procedure of praying so we need to understand why they do it but that doesn't make

01:30:46.160 it acceptable another example here um offensive weapons act being just advertised in front of a

01:30:53.400 cutlery set i don't i don't remember that ever happening before but now apparently in multicultural

01:30:59.480 britain that is the case um this one is um not so much related to multiculturalism as uh

01:31:06.960 just well i suppose it is actually i thought this was a covid one but it's not it's um actually to do

01:31:12.700 with the tube isn't it it's to do with people staring at people and uh from the crime reports we

01:31:18.760 know the kinds of people that are doing this and they're not necessarily your average uh london

01:31:23.540 commuter of 100 years ago say um and this problem of staring um is actually uh a problem pretty much

01:31:32.300 centered of those from the middle east and north africa are normally staring at young women and it's

01:31:39.500 not something that we had a problem with previously and it didn't need to be said staring at people is

01:31:44.900 rude we have commuted for 20 plus years from essex through london through east london the number

01:31:51.100 of times there's even a remotely pretty woman on the train going through places like white chapel 1.00

01:31:56.980 actually and bow and and the east end essentially um the amount of leering and staring is unbelievable

01:32:05.200 it's unbelievable you wouldn't understand it until you've seen it it's mad we we end up with a

01:32:10.860 certain sort of um center of gravity if you like beyond which it's very difficult to turn it back

01:32:16.660 because you know if if you go back i'm 61 coming on for 62 you go back 40 years okay you you know

01:32:25.700 there was a bit of a bit of banter and a bit of leeriness and of course there always has been

01:32:30.720 um and i don't necessarily excuse it but um if somebody was stepped out of line then you know let's

01:32:37.840 say they didn't wash properly or they're washing their feet in the sink or they were rude to

01:32:41.780 somebody or they were then you'd call it out you'd say don't be rude you know whatever you'd you know

01:32:47.160 somebody would do that but now but because they were the minority that was one in 50 people who

01:32:53.260 would behave in that way um or would litter or would do graffiti now the majority of people in

01:33:00.960 some of these communities this is normal behavior well we don't have the critical mass to enforce

01:33:06.760 our cultural standards that's what i mean and so unless government steps in some of these communities

01:33:13.400 are lost i mean i to to the values and again jd vance was right the the fundamental principles and

01:33:20.000 values that we stand for and actually that made the uk its society and its economy and so on attractive

01:33:27.960 to all of these people in the first place it is that we're not we're not leveling up the world as

01:33:32.460 i said we we are lowering our own level by this because we're refusing to enforce those standards

01:33:39.500 absolutely so here's another one uh just some pretty woke road names i imagine this is probably in

01:33:46.820 london and overseen by sadiq khan but i don't know uh but it seems like the kind of thing he would like

01:33:51.940 his renaming of the overground lines sort of indicated this sort of thing uh here's another one

01:33:57.040 somali road um that's in camden in london uh and what kind of shops might you find on these sorts

01:34:03.380 of streets well um these are all shops that are in service not to the british people they're clearly

01:34:09.100 oriented towards um foreign enclaves here you know i don't know what a goxon is or an izzy barber

01:34:16.440 i don't know what they are just another observation of course um when i was i referred to kosovo

01:34:22.540 before after the war the war in kosovo there was most of the serbs had left because it was a very 0.97

01:34:29.000 hostile environment but there were serbs who remained a very small minority in kosovo after

01:34:34.960 the war and um it was a united nations governed province for a year i was a district governor there

01:34:42.960 and the um the there was this process by which the albanians would move into an area occupy empty

01:34:53.720 flats this was all orchestrated by the what was the kosovo liberation army it was all organized it

01:35:01.860 was all planned you know and started to happen even before the united nations really and nato deployed

01:35:06.580 um and um they would move into to town centers and so on and they would establish themselves they

01:35:14.040 would the cafes and so on now the serbs would not want to venture into those areas because it was

01:35:20.360 different culture different language different forms of behavior um and the serbs who'd remained had

01:35:26.900 nothing to do with the fighting though mostly elderly people because and they'd got nowhere else to go

01:35:32.400 but there was this process that we recognized that nato recognized that the united nations

01:35:38.660 recognized that the european union recognized and something called the organization of security

01:35:42.340 and cooperation in europe recognized those people who were if you like governing kosovo at the time

01:35:46.720 and it was called officially it was called passive passive ethnic cleansing now it sounds appalling

01:35:54.980 to say that that's what's happening here but it is and i'm going to give you if i may a quick

01:36:00.600 example sure well in the district where i was governor i had there was a the small enclave of

01:36:07.080 serbs remaining um they had nowhere else to go they were all very passive quiet stayed kept to

01:36:14.140 themselves serbs they weren't the sort of nationalists that you think of and if you think back to those

01:36:19.220 times and they had remained because they had no concern they thought they'd got no concern and they'd

01:36:24.700 stayed around the area of a 12th century orthodox church uh which had a graveyard around it and i

01:36:33.560 one day came back ironically from chairing the regional security meeting with nato and everybody

01:36:40.320 else came back to to my my office and to find that i'd got a whole bunch of the muslim clergy in my office

01:36:49.300 my secretary said well you know they want to talk to you i've given them all tea fine they've got all

01:36:54.760 these maps what they wanted was to build a mosque in the town in this particular town and i in principle

01:37:02.000 i had no problem with it because there wasn't one and 63 percent of the pre-war population was

01:37:08.160 albanian muslim fine and thankfully i'd already identified a site for such an eventuality but when i you 0.63

01:37:15.760 know i said look you've got the the maps here the cadastro maps the local planning maps um you know

01:37:20.840 you it looks like you've got an idea of where you want to build it where do you want to build this

01:37:23.880 mosque here in the graveyard of the 12th century orthodox church in the middle of the serbian enclave

01:37:30.720 the serbs are the baddies and i yeah and i said why do you want to build it there well we want to

01:37:36.640 demonstrate that we can live in peace and harmony with our serbian brothers and i said well do you think

01:37:42.360 that they might have a different view if they do it proves that they don't want to live with us

01:37:47.600 and i said but you want to build it on their graveyard not just next to the church but on the

01:37:54.320 graveyard and they said well yeah now bear in mind you've got prayers five times a day so you've got

01:38:00.160 you've got muslims going through then that serbian enclave in demonstrable or in a demonstration

01:38:09.380 of a different culture demonstrating if you like that that culture is not only in the ascendancy

01:38:15.860 but is dominant now and and i they do them very clever and they put me they thought in a situation

01:38:23.180 whereby if i said no then i was siding with serbs and then and the albanian media would put it that

01:38:29.900 way if i said yes then it's even the united nations governor is is siding with the albanians putting

01:38:36.120 more pressure on the serbs luckily as i said i'd identified a separate area in in the district

01:38:41.280 or in the town which was in the albanian area um public land i was able to with the authority vested

01:38:49.880 in me by the security council i was able to give them a 999 year lease um which i did um that mosque 0.96

01:38:58.680 the first stone was laid 17 years later it wasn't about a mosque it was about that passive ethnic 1.00

01:39:07.900 cleansing and when you you know you see that you know people say well what's wrong it's that church

01:39:13.080 is empty yes that church is empty but it's a church and it's it's symbolic of a culture even if

01:39:19.180 it's a culture that's on the wane or whatever but you know and i i it's a very difficult even for me

01:39:26.620 it's a very difficult situation you know you've got an empty church you want to use it but

01:39:30.020 you know you can't use it as a mosque you know you you you're being put in a situation quite

01:39:35.140 deliberately of of creating a conflict now our politicians at local level and national level

01:39:44.200 will not have that conflict they will not enter that discussion um they will not prepare for it they

01:39:50.700 will not plan for it they allow this this thing this you know it's like having the the trocadero

01:39:57.120 in leicester square being a great example of this here where there's a a foreign vape shop uh in a

01:40:05.240 nice tudor building here which if the local council had been doing its job would not have been allowed

01:40:10.180 because it undermines the preservation of the historic buildings here in a significant way and

01:40:16.040 in fact it's a an eyesore and uh it's it's just a symptom of that uh ethnic replacement that you're 0.99

01:40:22.180 on about it is ethnic cleansing passive passive ethnic cleansing in your example if the serbs dare

01:40:28.620 to object lest not even fight back if they dare to object then they're the evil ones they're the baddies

01:40:36.660 in this narrative yeah well we could talk about i think we could talk about that particular sort of

01:40:43.960 the series of incidents that that occurred which provide context to what i've said um but this was

01:40:49.560 a district in which six six farmers just down the road serbian farmers had been collecting the crop

01:40:54.200 and albania a bunch of albanians had turned up and shot them all dead in the field they're just 0.95

01:40:58.840 collecting their crops they're trying to you know subsistence farming um we'd got the nato was having to

01:41:05.000 build new roads between serbian communities because the albanians were putting landmines 1.00

01:41:10.380 between now this is after the war and this is not because they wanted to kill people but because

01:41:15.080 they wanted to make life so difficult for serbs that they would leave so it was it was not you know so

01:41:22.060 and and yeah it's funny i thought only serbians committed war crimes that's what i said at the

01:41:28.100 beginning there's two sides to every story and you know we we focused on one and we still

01:41:33.780 you know we we're still appeasing this attempt at cultural dominance and when you've got the mayor

01:41:40.500 of london sadiq khan sitting in that position of power and authority and those people who may have

01:41:45.400 seen some of the the the mayor's question and answer sessions with the the assembly members it is

01:41:50.600 shocking that a democratically elected politician chooses not to be held democratically accountable

01:41:59.220 which he very if you watch those into those those question and answer sessions he very clearly

01:42:04.480 doesn't refuses he just doesn't see why he should and that again is cultural it's again cultural you

01:42:12.540 try to hold we've got to bring things to a close now we've we've already overrun a fair amount but

01:42:17.320 thankfully we can but um the the wonderful irony here is that this this term that's been coined is

01:42:23.680 also being used by shops flying things like bangladeshi and palestinian flags here in london

01:42:30.200 obviously a symptom of the decline here and obviously um the replacement of the british people

01:42:36.880 has created this new aesthetic it's it's becoming this multicultural uk rather than the britain of old

01:42:44.820 and you can see the skeleton of what was once britain but if this is allowed to continue we will see

01:42:50.220 more of this there will be a new culture to replace british culture and i don't think that that should 0.93

01:42:54.920 happen the only way of dealing with it i think i've always said is every day that goes past when

01:43:01.600 this is not addressed makes the ultimate sort of policy sort of reply to it more and more necessarily

01:43:09.880 more and more dramatic and i actually think that we really need to put um a virtually a moratorium on

01:43:17.020 on immigration at the moment we've got to get ahead of this we've got to rebuild our infrastructure

01:43:21.740 we've got to start integrating communities um we've got to those and we've got to start

01:43:26.780 deporting foreign national offenders no ifs no buts we've got to leave the echr and and get rid of the 1.00

01:43:32.900 human rights act to do that um and you know i it's not that i am anti any of these people because

01:43:39.360 lived all over the world in various countries and i mean properly lived you know um and i i'm not

01:43:46.560 you know they live the way that they want over there i have no problem with that go ahead crack

01:43:51.460 on i might not agree with i might but i don't have to live there it's not my country you do it as you

01:43:55.280 as you wish but don't bring that here and i very much agree with that i think that this is the view

01:44:00.480 that most people have adopted here so i'm going to fire through some comments we've already overran by

01:44:05.500 15 minutes i'm going to be very quick i'm just going to read them and uh so apparently the historian

01:44:10.580 leo lucassen says migration will lead to 100 years of violence but it's okay um because we'll have a 0.77

01:44:16.340 fusion of culture he ignores the two often don't come to fuse but to inflict violence um someone

01:44:23.180 says good morning from minnesota usa um where it is balmy negative 18 degrees this morning or negative

01:44:28.440 25 for you brits um thank you very much and uh if the reason you were here is because britain came to

01:44:37.220 you then why are you in ireland switzerland austria finland etc that's a fair point uh and there are some

01:44:44.920 positive comments here for um saying uh annie moss says henry bolton is a wonderful guest i hope

01:44:51.960 you just have him uh on more often and uh that gentleman whose name you didn't want to read out

01:44:58.500 because it sounds incriminating also said um best guest in a long time please have him back on so

01:45:03.560 well received there you go very much i'm gonna read um just a single comment from each section because

01:45:08.540 we have overran quite a bit omar awad says um for the first segment um message received their kids

01:45:14.600 being harmed is enough for them to stay our kids being harmed isn't enough for them to go which is

01:45:19.260 very succinctly put as always you want me to read yours for uh please um federal agent um i don't

01:45:28.260 think they're actually a federal agent uh says did jack the ripper get his knife from amazon

01:45:32.060 it's entirely possible uh maybe uh yvette cooper will tell us

01:45:38.540 so for the segment just gone uh luzak brozek says uh the eye from do not stare looks exactly like

01:45:45.640 the one from my copy of 1984 funny coincidence i thought that exact same thing actually i have

01:45:50.740 that copy of 1984 as well the big like the all-seeing eye of imber so just uh definitely not a masonic

01:45:58.360 reference and uh finally um what shall i end on oh they're quite long comments never mind but

01:46:06.280 thank you very much for coming in thank you for having me i'm sorry i talked so much that's all

01:46:10.920 right over time it's better than not talking at all um that's possibly true and uh it's been a lot

01:46:14.840 of fun and uh hope you enjoyed it at home as well and make sure to tune in same time one o'clock

01:46:19.980 for our podcast tomorrow and uh thank you for watching and goodbye

01:46:24.060 you

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - February 17, 2025

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