The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1106

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the podcast of the lotus eaters episode 1106 i'm your host harry joined

00:00:16.480 today by carl hello and we're going to be talking about arc 2025 and all the fun it was uh some of

00:00:24.060 the kind of a roundup of what it looks like the ultimate cost of ukraine versus russia is going

00:00:31.140 to be now that we're leading up to the final final steps uh peace talks are on the table they've

00:00:35.980 started see what what the ultimate conclusion of it is what can we look back on and say was achieved

00:00:41.560 not much not not much good and also how you'd like it if a load of migrants were dropped into

00:00:47.660 your neighborhood yeah it's pretty awful and we're just following down a path that's already well

00:00:53.400 tread so we'll talk about it yes uh and before we go any further i don't think there's anything to

00:01:00.200 say actually so let's just get straight into it so i went to arc 2025 in london this week and i thought

00:01:07.880 i would tell you about my experience because it was actually really really positive um it was really

00:01:12.920 good and everyone there was really really friendly um very pleased to see me not just because they had

00:01:19.240 bulges in their pockets uh no i'm joking um you had to make it so incredibly vulgar straight out

00:01:26.680 the gate didn't you whenever you say oh i'm very pleased to see us oh no listen just because let's

00:01:31.320 just because the right over indexes and gays yeah yeah the left have got it doesn't mean they all

00:01:37.560 want to shag you yeah the left have got like massive campaigns to make people homosexual and yet all

00:01:42.200 the gays are on the right because we all stay in shape yeah uh anyway yeah so no it was really really

00:01:47.720 good and it was really nice to meet loads of really cool people and make loads of really great connections

00:01:51.880 with people who are really decent um and so we're gonna just get into sort of some of the detail of

00:01:57.000 it because i think there's a kind of misapprehension about arc because the the sort of the top

00:02:03.560 frontline layer doesn't really represent those people that you meet on the shop floor as it were

00:02:08.520 well yeah i was seeing that obviously i wasn't at the conference i was at the after party which

00:02:13.480 is why we'll talk about that i may have seemed a little bit out of sorts yesterday i was fine

00:02:18.280 i was fine um but i saw wren's coverage of it um and he was saying some of the speeches were very

00:02:26.440 disappointing because he was there and said that some of it felt like returning back to 2017 when

00:02:32.520 the concerns and discussions that people were having were not the same things that we're worried about

00:02:37.480 today but but again i saw wren at the after party i saw a lot of the people who'd been attending at

00:02:43.880 the after party and that was not reflected in the in those people yeah yeah no we'll get to um but

00:02:50.840 before we begin this is the last day i think it is of the islander 2 merch so if you wanted anything

00:02:56.200 grab it now because it'll be gone and it'll be gone forever and of course after this we've got lads

00:03:01.720 hour where we're going to be discussing discussing the english question uh we're going to be watching uh

00:03:06.360 some segments from this politics joe podcast because i i'm sure everyone has become well

00:03:10.840 aware that on twitter just the very question of english identity has been at the heart of a huge

00:03:17.000 amount of debate and this is a really really funny podcast but the thing is also really revealing as

00:03:22.360 well because uh ava and ollie there are english self-consciously so it'll be interesting but it

00:03:29.320 the whole discussion just reminds me of when leftists were trying to convince us that two plus two

00:03:33.240 doesn't equal four this is a fixed settled question yep and yet you guys are over complicating

00:03:40.360 it and you come across like morons it's got a lot of parallels to the trans debate as well which is

00:03:45.480 interesting uh but we'll we'll get into it on lads it's also really funny because they're they're

00:03:50.440 they're creatures of a bygone era it's really amusing anyway so let's begin so the the art conference began

00:03:56.760 with jordan peterson of course because his baby and uh his speech was fine but the thing is he's

00:04:03.560 sort of calculating it on the go to be very precise and while i actually enjoyed the content of the

00:04:10.120 speech i just thought it would have been better if he just had a pre-scripted thing that he'd written

00:04:13.720 out in advance and i i appreciate that part of it is the performance of him sort of like calculating

00:04:18.920 on the fly um but it did make it slightly difficult to follow whereas if he had had just a teleprompter

00:04:25.400 with a pre-written thing that he'd been like no this is what i'm trying to say that would make life

00:04:29.560 a lot easier just as a small sort of tonal uh thing but he's he's the the theme of the conference

00:04:36.760 and the theme of his speech is basically uh he starts what's the defining characteristic of this

00:04:41.560 civilizational moment because the point is that they're trying to recapture the story of the west

00:04:47.480 that we can be proud of that we can stand on in the face of the sort of post-modern deconstructionism

00:04:53.240 um and he's trying to create a kind of propositional ideology of western civilization i think i might

00:04:59.160 actually do a separate thing on this at some point because this is a minefield that he's stepping into

00:05:04.360 he's identified the right problem which is an ideology has been trying to destroy western

00:05:09.320 civilization and i'm not sure that the correct thing the correct response is well we have a

00:05:13.880 counter ideology for western civilization instead so is this thumbnail where it says what's wrong with

00:05:18.520 hedonism does that sum up the content of the speech itself or is that just one of the things

00:05:24.200 that he's addressing as part of this that's one of the themes that he's addressing because of course

00:05:27.880 we we do live in a much more hedonistic age than we ever have done before actually and he he does

00:05:34.600 he goes on a bit of a tangent in sort of the middle of the speech going you know well there's a

00:05:38.280 problem with hedonism because there's a lack of responsibility and various other things and that's

00:05:43.640 that's all and good but that's not the sort of main thrust of what the uh the speech is actually

00:05:47.720 about um but like i said i'll probably have to talk about that in more detail because it's an

00:05:52.520 absolute minefield he's stepping into um and i only know because i've done so much work on ideology

00:05:57.720 anyway so this is uh their youtube channel you can see the uh the speeches on there at in your own time

00:06:03.320 and it's quite interesting uh the sort of the breadth of people so as you can see there yeah i saw um

00:06:08.920 the thumbnail reminded me and i'd seen the clip come out that the singer guy oliver anthony yeah

00:06:14.520 oliver anthony was there gave a speech and he is not who i was expecting to see there no um so you

00:06:21.560 you've got like the normal subjects that these uh sort of conferences would have so well the woke's gone

00:06:28.200 too far this time uh and actually maybe we can use fossil fuels actually maybe that's okay all right

00:06:35.720 uh to do um kemi badenok gave a speech i actually haven't seen her speech i didn't get there until

00:06:41.560 after i got there about midday on the first day so i've been catching up online i haven't had time to

00:06:46.040 watch the quote given for it there the problem isn't liberalism the problem is weakness yeah okay

00:06:52.200 all right that's not correct i like i like the the overall tone of this just seems to be 2016 sargon

00:07:00.600 yeah a lot of one day they will catch up to you that's 10 years from now well peterson and douglas

00:07:07.320 murray gave a really good talk actually really good speech but the general tone is very much sort of

00:07:13.720 2016 sargon it's like that we just need to recommit to classical liberalism and that would be nice

00:07:18.440 except that doesn't solve the problems so it's it's not too narrow an issue a too narrow solution to a

00:07:23.880 broad issue um and honestly i spoke to loads of people about badenok speech and they were like

00:07:28.760 nah it was rubbish didn't like it and i haven't watched it yet so i'm gonna watch it after this

00:07:32.520 probably but um but there's you know like normal sort of things that we all consider to be real

00:07:39.400 real uh things like the most compelling argument against tech in schools is on that

00:07:43.800 as why socialism from big suz from peep show as well is it yeah that's big suz from peep show i had no

00:07:49.960 idea okay i know i didn't recognize her at all i mean she looks the same to me i just she was not

00:07:57.960 the kind of person i would expect to see at this kind of event but you know but that's fine right

00:08:01.960 that's that's totally fine no not that not that it's a problem yeah yeah and i agree with it you

00:08:06.120 know i agree yeah no we we really should be like worried you know what right i i got a bunch of that

00:08:11.960 they were giving out um just blank notebooks and pens so you can make notes i was like oh are they free

00:08:17.320 are they great so i took four right for my kids so you're the problem you're hedonistic nature carl

00:08:23.240 well it was self it was selfless it wasn't for me i was thinking oh yeah kids right and i i

00:08:27.480 literally handed one out to my son this morning and he was like oh thanks dad and i'm like it's

00:08:32.520 a blank notebook but i didn't say that but i was he was thrilled with it he was absolutely thrilled

00:08:35.880 with it and so he sat there just you know this is how deprived you you leave your kids no video

00:08:40.760 games except for two hours on the weekend you'll take your blank notebook and you'll enjoy it

00:08:45.720 yeah but do you know what he started doing he started making a banner lord formations all right

00:08:49.560 okay so he said okay look dad i gave him it like really early on i went and got dressed and i came

00:08:56.200 downstairs and he's like look dad right see i've got the infantry and a shield wall at the front i got

00:09:00.360 the archers spread up behind them the cavalry are going to go around the side and get their cavalry

00:09:03.640 before they can get me i'm like that's brilliant son i didn't realize i was raising hannibal um

00:09:09.480 again it's i've got a photo i'll show you something will be useful in the conflicts to come yeah

00:09:13.640 exactly yeah he's gonna he's he's ready he's he's gonna be prepared um but anyway sort of like you

00:09:17.960 know the whole foods ceo explains the history of capitalism why socialism never works blah blah blah

00:09:22.520 right oh you know fairly fairly stock sort of normal conservative things yeah oliver anthony being

00:09:28.920 that was interesting um and his is he does represent a kind of american class a working class right and

00:09:37.160 there was quite a nice sense from the people in this the top layer that they do have obligations

00:09:45.480 to those people at the bottom right and they weren't trying to be elitist actually which was quite

00:09:49.720 refreshing to see and different to the wef in tone in at least in that way you know having you know

00:09:55.880 we're gonna know we're gonna have a white working class man who you know who's gonna come and it

00:09:59.400 wasn't it wasn't bare-faced and embarrassing technical um technocrats no it wasn't it was it was a lot

00:10:05.080 more thoughtful than that actually um and it was you know just fairly center-right conservative which

00:10:12.360 was nice you know it was fine um and oliver anthony played rich men north of richmond obviously it was

00:10:17.480 a really good performance actually i've got to give him credit he is a good performer um and then you

00:10:22.200 know the ai apocalypse is bad but we're in a moral crisis so don't worry about that uh and uh you know

00:10:28.440 some emotional poem called sunflowers in babylon but i it was okay uh it was a bit

00:10:35.880 it was a bit heavy it was a bit you know because they had like you know violins playing with it and

00:10:40.200 stuff like that and it was it's fine what it's funny to me that it was fine it was all with all

00:10:49.880 the pro i wasn't crying with all of the problems in the world right now the sorts of things that

00:10:55.000 we're constantly talking about some guys like i've written this poem for you well i'm sure it was

00:11:00.680 great i'm sure it was great everyone loved it you got standing ovation i just didn't enjoy it that

00:11:05.000 much i'm not a poetry guy really though that's i think that's the problem but uh but anyway so the

00:11:10.840 the whole thing was really nice and you had like the top layer of people who are just you know it's

00:11:14.360 fairly mainstream conservatism right and they're that's fine it's totally fine but it was the people

00:11:19.560 on the sort of on the ground where you know actually the attendees of the conference a lot

00:11:24.600 more base than i was expecting right these a lot of people like one of the main things that wasn't

00:11:29.240 touched was immigration right that's the theme of thing and that was a surprise well it is a surprise

00:11:35.480 really because it is i think it's because it was so america focused right and you speak to lots of

00:11:41.160 americans and they speak about these sorts of things but all of the british people that i met there

00:11:45.880 and i met a lot the first thing that they were concerned about is immigration well that's the

00:11:49.960 thing i um i think obviously i wasn't there for this kind of thing the people i met on the ground

00:11:54.280 at the after party it was just englishmen for the most part so of course it was the thing that they're

00:11:59.160 concerned about other than maybe one or two i think constantine has touched on it a few times

00:12:04.920 um obviously farage should touch on such things douglas murray touched on and and douglas murray in

00:12:11.080 particular most of these speakers are either people who don't really talk about immigration

00:12:17.080 as a subject or perhaps like kemi would want to avoid it yeah for right now have been open advocates

00:12:24.360 of it yes uh neil ferguson i've never met the man but from what i've been told behind the scenes it's

00:12:29.080 not really something that he's concerned about yeah he's got his own and that's fine you know you don't

00:12:33.240 have to talk about everything all the time or anything like that but uh douglas murray was quite firm

00:12:37.080 on it he had a really nice um uh turn of phrase on it i can't remember who he was quoting from

00:12:41.480 someone else i can't remember who that was because i look we you know we act as if our culture is

00:12:46.040 vanilla and that vanilla isn't a flavor but actually vanilla is a very complex flavor and we should have

00:12:50.200 been you know it's difficult to construct and we should have thought about that it's not that other

00:12:53.800 flavors are added to vanilla ice cream and vanilla is the best flavor i agree and nobody can change my

00:13:00.680 mind on that uh because it's ours um but the but the point is he had it was a really good speech and

00:13:05.880 it it it was a good way of approaching the subject of a national culture ethnicity and identity right

00:13:12.520 and so douglas's was strong on the subject we care about but most of them weren't talking about it and

00:13:17.240 that's fine but everyone on the floor was absolutely talking about it and it was a real concern and i

00:13:25.000 and the the the question of english identity was very much on the the on the the front of mind of the

00:13:32.440 english people at the conference obviously didn't come up on the stage because again lots of americans

00:13:36.600 and whatnot but uh but it was something that a lot of people were definitely talking about and so that's

00:13:41.240 interesting and good there was also a strong undercurrent of christianity there now it wasn't

00:13:48.680 something necessarily overt from the as you can see from the top layer like there's nothing expressly

00:13:54.120 christian that's being from all of these atheists yeah but but there were lots of christians there

00:14:00.120 well i mean ian hersey at least well no no no of course yeah and uh she's right and we've gone too

00:14:05.960 far that's absolutely true um but there's there's a distinct undercurrent of christianity and i think

00:14:10.760 that is in part driven by jordan peterson himself because he's very concerned about the christian heritage

00:14:16.440 of the west and sort of the biblical origins of western morality and things like this uh which is all

00:14:21.080 all completely viable valid and needed to be spoken about um and so anyway let's carry on

00:14:27.480 because there's a lot of responses to this so uh you have uh i've never heard of de smog before but

00:14:32.120 apparently they were like oh we saw the list of attendees and there were oil executives and trump

00:14:38.040 allies there it's like yeah so the people who make sure that we can have the lights on

00:14:44.280 and people who like these the current president were these the weirdos who tried to shut down the

00:14:48.920 party no that's someone else we'll get to those okay all right um uh and yeah and so basically

00:14:53.560 like you know the guardians cited these guys because apparently they saw the list it's like

00:14:57.560 okay i don't care and that's fine uh and no one cared you know so this this sort of like fear mongering

00:15:03.720 by you know the the cooties theory of politics didn't work at all which is nice um and then you have uh

00:15:10.440 you know people like well why are conservative christians flocking to ark is that because ark is not

00:15:14.360 anti-christian it's one of those spaces that it's not necessarily pro-christian it's not overtly

00:15:19.560 pro-christian but it's not in any way anti-christian and it at least accepts the historic contribution

00:15:25.800 that christianity has made to western culture and so why wouldn't christians go to it there's

00:15:31.400 absolutely no reason not and so i met a lot of people who are very christian they're christian

00:15:35.240 activists you know calvin was there and it was totally fine totally wholesome totally normal and

00:15:41.800 it's good that this was a normal thing it's like yeah no it's it's completely fine to have

00:15:45.880 a christian undercurrent uh but anyway obviously the guardian oh us culture war show comes to london

00:15:52.200 and strikes a chord with european populists yeah why wouldn't it they're winning okay they're winning

00:15:57.160 they've got this massive amount of success and they're getting a lot done and they're doing a

00:16:00.440 great job by all accounts yeah i'd like it if someone would do a good job over here that's really

00:16:05.800 striking chord with me as a european populist assuming i can even call myself european uh i'm an englishman

00:16:11.400 obviously so i don't really like that term but anyway the point being yes yes yes and so nigel

00:16:16.440 farage's little talk of jordan peeson was pretty good as well um he was just uh nothing very

00:16:23.560 controversial actually which is probably why you haven't seen any headlines of anything he said

00:16:27.320 um but he just basically just came out and reaffirmed all of the things we already know nigel

00:16:32.280 farage says um but it's fine it's fine it wasn't bad it was good it was you know it was a

00:16:39.800 re-solidification of a position which is okay um but uh but yeah so the guardian is of course worried

00:16:46.600 that this is going to happen the only thing i saw that causing the controversy is kemi badnock

00:16:50.680 getting in trouble for saying things that are basically trivially true oh kemi badnock slammed

00:16:55.960 after labor and lib dems uh by the labor and lib dems after claiming immigrants bring values that

00:17:01.320 undermine the west so she did speak about it a little bit i spoke like i said i haven't watched

00:17:05.160 her speech yet actually um this is the only thing i've seen that anyone that caused any particular

00:17:10.120 controversy but i mean it's just trivially true yeah we brought in a bunch of islamists oh this

00:17:14.600 seems to be undermining the west valley and the labor party like no that's my constituency this is

00:17:18.680 nothing but a reaffirmation of uh the multiculturalism and integration discussion that's been going on

00:17:24.680 which is that well the multiculturalism doesn't work so you need to integrate them into your own

00:17:29.400 values because otherwise the values that they bring won't be able to fit with what we already

00:17:33.480 do here so it's it's that same old discussion really so yeah yeah i mean and it's the same old

00:17:39.400 reaction as well from labor and lib dems going no you need to accept their culture in fact integrate

00:17:45.080 into their culture it's better than ours because they're not evil racists yeah and so that there is

00:17:50.840 at least a kind of appreciable parochialism around arc and the uh the speakers on the top level uh and this

00:17:58.520 does filter down to a much more based uh sort of attendance attendees um so it was fine it's

00:18:05.080 you know it was good and i really had a good time there it was really nice to have been so well met

00:18:08.840 by everyone i was everyone was very kind to me uh and then uh then of course we went to the after

00:18:13.480 party yeah this was the only bit that i showed up for you know so lots of oh this was great yeah all

00:18:21.800 all of the major sort of um right-wing uh newspapers and even the spectator were there

00:18:27.640 uh had their own stalls and stuff like that so you know gb news unheard a few others uh had their

00:18:33.320 own stalls and they were doing interviews and stuff like that right and so you uh you have like write

00:18:38.520 ups that weirdly unheard have been surprisingly kind to me of late i feel which is nice they did that

00:18:45.080 article talking about how you were basically the catalyst for the online right as it is right now

00:18:50.440 the other day didn't they basically like the godfather of the right in britain or something

00:18:53.720 which is oh that's nice that's very very flattering and in this one again like i get a bit of a mention

00:18:58.840 so they they tell us that um uh hours before so basically there's there's this party at amigo or

00:19:05.240 something like that it was called and so i booked a hotel right next to it because i had to persuade my

00:19:09.320 wife to let me go to it which she very kindly did and so i booked a hotel right so long housed so long

00:19:16.520 housed it's not long housed no what you do carl is you say i'm going to this by the way deal with

00:19:21.400 it no way man that would be totally unfair as well because it's half term my wife has had all four

00:19:26.520 kids on her own for the entire week like i felt terrible honestly right i got i got home you know

00:19:33.640 what at the party you can see i could tell i could tell how terrible you felt man if you're watching this

00:19:40.440 darling it was awful i was he he was had a terrible time him and dank they were just arguing the

00:19:46.360 whole time the thing is i had to meet a bunch of people on thursday as well so i didn't get home

00:19:49.880 until about six o'clock thursday evening and literally my you know my kids come up to me my

00:19:53.960 wife just hands me the youngest like right i need some time on my own just yeah to be fair

00:19:59.000 this happens with me i've only got one right now still but when i get home after a long absence when

00:20:03.960 i'm here for instance uh and she's been playing up i just like open the door there you go yep i'm

00:20:09.880 going outside for a smoke yeah it's literally i just i just want it's i just some fresh air

00:20:14.840 you know any sensory reduction and i completely understand so it was you know it was very kind

00:20:19.560 of earth to do that so it's not being longhouse it's me being like oh my god you know my poor

00:20:23.800 wife being such a gentleman i am yeah but trying to be a good good man but uh but anyway yeah so

00:20:28.520 some group called fossil free london i'd never even heard of them right but the the the location of the

00:20:33.960 venue uh got leaked so they messaged the venue and like oh there are some evil right wingers at

00:20:39.240 your venue do they they might have a picture of the actual because they should i know they

00:20:42.760 shared the screenshot yeah i think they were putting it up on they put it up on twitter and

00:20:47.320 said we got it cancelled and then like 11 likes and then everybody from the party just posted

00:20:51.960 themselves pictured at the council yeah yeah uh so they managed to find another venue which is good

00:20:58.440 and uh so uh they say you know the the uh the organizer said it's amazing what you can do with

00:21:03.400 money after before name checking billionaire peter teal as a donor so uh we were being bankrolled by

00:21:09.240 peter teal apparently i didn't know this peter teal uh spoke not beating the allegations hey dude peter

00:21:14.920 like just you know call me i'm totally fine to be bankrolled by you because he spoke at arc actually

00:21:20.360 and he was really good by advising and it was a really good uh chair you know like he makes good

00:21:24.440 points about what's happening he's a smart guy and he switched on in fact peter teals like interventions

00:21:30.760 and things were some of the most relevant things and a lot of people around were like oh i don't i

00:21:35.720 don't really get what he was saying it's like that's because he's ahead of the curve than you

00:21:39.240 you know it's only us and peter teal who get it um but uh but anyway yeah so uh they they say in here

00:21:46.920 uh quote inside incongruent classical music blared uh in was a very strange atmosphere when you first got in

00:21:54.680 there it was but it was very eyes wide shut for about 20 minutes yeah until everyone got drunk

00:21:59.800 because of the free and then the and then the bangers started downstairs music music um but uh

00:22:05.640 incongruent classical music bled in the room of garrick decor with a life-size zebra as the

00:22:10.040 star of the show what was that yeah did you not see it is this picture right here oh that was on the

00:22:15.720 upstairs oh oh i didn't go to the upstairs too late oh wait no or was it downstairs no this was

00:22:20.040 upstairs i don't know you were sat upstairs like the whole night although i don't recall seeing it

00:22:24.200 it was it was very strange when i walked in there i said i turned to josh was there and lewis

00:22:30.760 brackpool was with me i turned to him said right when the when do they hand the masks out when does

00:22:34.600 the order start because it had that atmosphere this is just gonna show how perceptive i'm in fact

00:22:40.120 we'll carry on uh so a life-size zebra was a star show i didn't even notice that the attendees in

00:22:45.080 the room were somewhat perplexed with one telling me it was completely demonic

00:22:48.200 a little bit um downstairs uh see i was downstairs not upstairs that's why i didn't see it i saw you

00:22:55.160 upstairs the whole time well i i don't know i don't know just on the level that you walked in

00:22:59.720 that much merriment was yeah but uh reform uk's chairman zia yusuf rubbed shoulders with right-wing

00:23:05.400 youtubers like karl benjamin who held court at a table of rotating guests that that part is true

00:23:11.240 although i didn't see you interact with zaya yusuf at all i didn't know he was there i spotted i spotted

00:23:16.440 him sat by himself downstairs scrolling his phone right next to the dance floor and it was one of

00:23:22.120 those like i was heading to the bar i was like is that zaya yusuf anyway i didn't see him and the

00:23:28.360 thing the thing is like i i don't know what like for me i i you know you you saw it like i constantly

00:23:34.360 get people like coming up to talk to me right and it's fine it's really nice but it means that i don't

00:23:38.520 like get to scan for people because if i'd seen him i would have gone over and introduced myself and

00:23:42.600 talk to him right but i just didn't know he's there so like he wasn't rubbing shoulders with me

00:23:46.520 i didn't know it was very nice on that subject to put lots of uh faces to well to meet a lot of

00:23:53.000 people who before then had just been faces on my twitter or on youtube or something uh for everybody

00:23:58.280 who came up to say hello introduce themselves to me introduce all of their friends like all of their

00:24:04.200 friends all at once as well you are all lovely i don't remember any of your names yeah this is a

00:24:08.680 perennial problem is names faces are easy names are terrible but anyway the point is it it you know

00:24:13.960 it was all really nice and uh any right we got made us sound good and it was all really really

00:24:19.000 well put together the whole thing was very professional uh there were absolutely no problems

00:24:23.160 no hiccups i saw no trouble no personality conflicts everyone seemed to get on really really well

00:24:28.200 and uh i met james lindsay

00:24:32.680 unblock me coward do it well you'd already unblocked me oh yeah but he he was actually really well

00:24:38.040 he's not unblocked he's not blocked me in the first place right right he's not interacted with

00:24:41.640 him for wait was he at the party not at the party arc yeah because i saw ed dutton interview him at

00:24:47.240 the party i then saw ed dutton try and breakdance i didn't see that i wish i'd say that or at least

00:24:54.040 he was threatening to but the uh so i had a chat with james lindsay about his woke right uh term and

00:24:59.480 he was like yeah i think i need to be it was a bit harder than i intended it to be and he kind of

00:25:03.560 backed down from a lot of that which was quite nice he was a lot nicer in person than he is on twitter but i think

00:25:07.640 there's a lot of people who are like that frankly twitter's easy to believe me as well yeah probably

00:25:12.200 yeah um let's see if i can meet constantin next time

00:25:19.240 his speech was pretty good actually i've got to say i'm sure it was yeah well it was pretty good

00:25:23.320 um but yeah no everyone everyone there was really nice uh everything went really well and uh lots of

00:25:28.920 good connections were had it was a really great networking event and i would definitely recommend

00:25:32.680 people go to it uh next year assuming they have one next year i don't know how often they do these

00:25:37.240 things but i think it's been annual since it started so right okay well i definitely recommend

00:25:42.280 people go to it especially if you're involved in this world um it was worth it

00:25:49.880 there you go i just enjoyed the party well the party was good and and the and also getting an

00:25:56.600 opportunity to meet a lot of people is always a lovely thing especially because you're all so

00:26:00.760 wonderful you watching the podcast right now thinking to yourself would harry be my friend in real life

00:26:06.680 as long as you're buying the merch yes yes i would if you came up to me wearing an islander branded

00:26:15.240 lotus eaters t-shirt any of the variety that we have right here this beautiful metal one the islander

00:26:22.040 forestry co of calvin robinson t-shirt i'll look at you and go that's a man i can trust if you're not

00:26:28.680 we might have a problem the funniest thing is right harry is exactly the same on the podcast as

00:26:34.440 he's off the podcast so he's very friendly chat but he probably would be your friend even if you

00:26:42.120 weren't you should definitely go buy her merch that was a great sales pitch don't let them know

00:26:46.920 don't let them know they need to buy the shirts okay especially because this is the last day

00:26:52.040 yeah i think i've been told we'll see how that sticks to next week but i've been told that this

00:26:57.240 is the last day that was selling them so you only have one opportunity left to be my friend anyway

00:27:04.040 great sales i should i should be i should be using that i should be using it

00:27:09.000 sorry no no i was okay on to more serious news so we covered a little bit of this yesterday in

00:27:15.240 nate's segment when he was talking about the prospects of britain putting troops on the ground

00:27:20.200 in ukraine to guarantee any kind of peace deal that's made by the us and ukraine well sorry the

00:27:27.480 us and russia because ukraine is not really at the table right now which kind of shows the hand

00:27:33.240 doesn't it this has not been a ukraine russia conflict this has been another in a almost century

00:27:39.400 long series of conflicts between the us and russia with ukraine acting as somewhat of a proxy but it

00:27:45.560 looks like we're reaching the end of that now certainly the end of the us involvement in it

00:27:50.280 and they're going to want to make sure that you europe sticks to whatever deals are made so i think

00:27:55.720 it's worth going over and looking at what's going on what has the ultimate cost and results what's been

00:28:02.840 achieved in this conflict and i also wanted to just look as well a little bit of the historical

00:28:09.160 precedent and parallels that this has as well because um it seems to be an attempt to re-establish

00:28:16.520 um not even necessarily re-establish but establish the uh the world order going forwards where will the

00:28:23.640 us be where will russia be where will europe be because europe is currently scrambling under the

00:28:30.360 threat of no longer being able to rely on america as much and you know we have been relying on america for

00:28:37.640 a long time mainly due to america establishing establishing itself as global hegemon following

00:28:43.000 the second world war but because we've been so reliant on them we're weak yeah so what goes what

00:28:48.680 happens next yeah what happens next so obviously the peace talks are ongoing right now china is very

00:28:55.000 positive towards them saying that trump's doing a great job at the moment really one uh well i think

00:29:00.760 they're wanting to just get this over with yeah yeah like everybody wants to get this over with i think

00:29:05.960 everybody can see that the ukraine side of the conflict has been a disaster from the start they

00:29:10.680 were immediately swamped had a load of territory taken over they did some counter offenses and they

00:29:15.080 got some of the territory back they have managed to push and on maps it's literally like here's what

00:29:20.120 russia has and in some of the counter offenses and uh offenses that ukraine has done here's what ukraine

00:29:26.200 managed to take from them and ukraine has gone you know we'll we'll swap territory in these peace

00:29:30.920 deals but you've got this and they've got that so what leg do you have to stand on and trump has even

00:29:35.720 explicitly said as much he says well you they've got the cards it's true they've got the cards it can

00:29:40.680 be very upsetting to some people to hear this kind of thing some would argue that it's russian propaganda

00:29:46.600 but even among mainstream news sources that we've been seeing ukraine recently launched two major

00:29:52.360 counter-offensives that went nowhere yeah and you can go to the guardian you can go to the bbc

00:29:57.400 to read that and you can go to the bbc coverage where you can see all of the maps of territory

00:30:01.400 that's been captured by both sides and you can see that trump is not saying anything that is untrue

00:30:06.120 so one of the main problems with this is it's important to separate out the sort of morale

00:30:12.520 raising propaganda in favor of ukraine from the machiavellian political realist power politics layer

00:30:20.920 and on the morale raising layer yeah okay yes i mean i don't like russia i don't want them

00:30:27.240 to win loads of territory i don't want them to do all of these things but then in reality russia

00:30:33.560 controls far more of ukraine than not than it did before and like it has leverage using this

00:30:40.280 unless we are going to suggest total war with russia or something yes active nato involvement

00:30:45.800 boots on the ground it's escalating to a full hot war exactly unless we unless that that's the only

00:30:50.840 option from this point onwards then we have to concede that russia has defeated ukraine which

00:30:55.160 seemed kind of inevitable when you look at the scale of the two countries anyway uh and even with

00:30:59.880 western backing ukraine has got to this point where it wants to negotiate so okay fine this this is the

00:31:06.120 fact you know whether it's whether you whether you like it or not and whether you support it or not

00:31:10.600 unfortunately russia does have the upper hand in the negotiations so that's just true ukraine wants

00:31:16.680 to be at the table but again given that they've been acting as a proxy for the us for most of this

00:31:22.120 conflict so it is the us saying no we want to arrange this and on the regards the rhetoric uh

00:31:28.440 there obviously is a different approach being taken by the us and europe europe being in the direct line

00:31:33.720 of fire if russia for whatever reason did want to amount more offenses in the future against any

00:31:40.200 european countries they want to have a strong footing they want to present themselves as being a force to

00:31:45.560 be reckoned with so they're still keeping up the fierce wartime rhetoric whereas trump and america

00:31:51.880 who are very very far away from the conflict in practical terms and want to wind this whole thing

00:31:57.960 down have gone into the concession rhetoric right now not without sacrificing their strength of course

00:32:04.360 but just being a bit more honest about it by saying things like this just as a quick side as well

00:32:10.040 this is a tale as old as time yes where you have two great nations and when i say great i mean vast

00:32:17.240 uh fighting powerful yes powerful fighting over a contested country that is much smaller between

00:32:23.880 them right i mean you literally you can go back as far as you like like the the spartans and the

00:32:29.000 athenians fighting over mantinea or an argos or like the the roman eastern roman empire and the

00:32:35.240 sassanians fighting over iraq or what is iraq mesopotamia you know like the or the us and russia

00:32:42.600 fighting over afghanistan yeah back in the 70s and 80s yeah or you know the the the romans and the

00:32:47.960 carthaginians fighting over sicily yeah like this is it's such uh an an obvious and well-known piece

00:32:55.080 of warfare but unfortunately it's just true this still happens to this day because the world really

00:33:00.200 hasn't changed all that much it's just how these things work and ukraine is that area of land that

00:33:06.520 the two great powers are fighting over it's again it's not an endorsement it's just the way things

00:33:10.840 are yeah and ultimately uh it does seem that because of all of this ukraine as you might have expected

00:33:17.720 is going to be asked to foot a pretty hefty bill off the back of this because white house officials told

00:33:24.680 ukraine to stop bad-mouthing trump and sign a deal handing over 500 billion dollars worth of natural

00:33:31.160 resources which are half of the country's mineral wealth to the us to repay it for wartime aid us

00:33:37.240 national security advisor mike waltz has told reporters that trump was obviously very frustrated

00:33:41.800 with zielinski for not accepting the deal now this has a dual role i think obviously you want uh america

00:33:48.680 has said under the last administration we gave you basically a blank check for as much as you want

00:33:54.760 so we want to recoup some of that but at the same time with trump starting to put on sanctions in

00:34:00.120 south africa which has been a great place for natural resources as well they're looking for an

00:34:05.720 extra somewhere to get those natural resources from now that south africa won't be available

00:34:10.440 so ukraine no matter what the deal is i would imagine that there's going to be two major requirements of

00:34:17.480 them one zielinski will not last as leader two we need to continue our relationship with you in a way

00:34:25.160 that's going to be beneficial to american needs firsts yes so weirdly zielinski it seems to actually

00:34:33.720 be acting in ukraine's best interest here right now i'm not a fan of zielinski but it would have been

00:34:40.040 easier for him to just agree they probably would have just bought him out you know they're probably

00:34:43.800 oh yeah we'll make sure you're taken care of and you'll get loads of money we'll get ukraine's

00:34:49.560 resources not even necessarily from what i can tell saying that we need to extend the conflict

00:34:55.320 ad infinitum he's saying we want a place at the table so that we have a bit of a better negotiating

00:34:59.640 ground here yeah i you know i don't blame him for for wanting that it's a perfectly respectable thing

00:35:04.760 actually and you know this i imagine this has probably improved his profile in his own country

00:35:10.120 well i think um donald trump obviously put out the statement saying uh the other day saying that

00:35:15.240 zielinski's a dictator tricked the u.s into um he's being thrown under the bus completely completely

00:35:21.880 thrown under the bus if you want to call zielinski a dictator well in that case winston churchill was a

00:35:27.320 dictator for not holding war elections during the second world war as well this is just how war politics

00:35:33.400 goes you can't just have random governmental changes in the middle of a massive conflict that your country's

00:35:39.000 embroiled in unless you want to go with maybe the world war one solution uh which where that did

00:35:45.000 happen like russia yeah where that did happen a few times and you either have one of two things your

00:35:49.000 country immediately collapses or your country goes into defcon 4 we're going to fight this till the

00:35:53.880 bloody end yeah and you end up with a treaty of versailles situation yeah and like i said i'm not a fan

00:35:59.000 of zielinski and i did not support us being so involved in the ukraine war i think they should have

00:36:03.400 had a negotiated settlement a lot sooner but i don't actually begrudge him that much i mean like

00:36:08.120 he banned he banned like two opposition parties or three opposition parties who were openly pro-russia

00:36:12.120 and it's like yeah well you can't i can understand why he would do that because you're literally being

00:36:15.880 invaded by russia and the the you know the media yeah he did again during the second world war we did

00:36:21.880 the same thing i mean i i'm not and i'm not saying that this was a moral thing to do but without even

00:36:27.960 doing anything as far as saying that we should be supporting germany oswald mosley was just immediately

00:36:33.880 thrown in prison yeah for instance because he was potentially seen as a threat to the war effort

00:36:38.680 yeah and so i'm not saying it's right obviously what i'm saying is from on a power politics level

00:36:44.680 this is what happens when there's a major war that your country is involved in it's just the nature of

00:36:49.320 the beast like a little lump it so i do think calling zielinski a dictator has been a bit strong

00:36:55.320 um and when the war you know now the war's winding down and a peace deal can be made yeah

00:36:59.880 elections should definitely be held obviously yeah obviously but again there's the question

00:37:04.920 of whether europe or at least our european leaders because i think they think the war is

00:37:10.280 over whether they think that your war is over because they are still really scrambling for this

00:37:15.560 because it's not just the prospect of the war being over it's the war being over and america very

00:37:23.480 very explicitly and publicly on a global scale taking a step back from its role in europe ahead

00:37:29.800 had had as a peacekeeper and guarantor of particular european safeties not that i necessarily think

00:37:36.120 that american regimes have had an excellent cultural impact on europe which i'll get into

00:37:42.120 over the past 80 years but that they will not anymore have the same military influence so now

00:37:48.680 they're talking about things like conscription as the ukraine war enters third year there is some

00:37:53.400 disagreement on this but people especially like the latvians of course it's going to be the baltic

00:37:58.360 countries saying we need to reintroduce conscription there have been some within britain saying

00:38:04.280 conscription might be on the table but that's a bit of a different story of course keir starmer as

00:38:09.000 covered yesterday has said he would be happy to have boots on the ground in ukraine to guarantee

00:38:14.120 the peace deals now of course ukraine if there is a transitionary period going into peace will need some

00:38:20.920 kind of third party mediator for that and i would prefer europeans over as was suggested by i think

00:38:28.680 foreign policy magazine just send the third world to ukraine so that they can guarantee the peace

00:38:34.520 because that's what ukraine needs after all of this right a hefty dose of diversity sorry send the

00:38:39.800 third world as in conscript or script the global south i assume recruit the global yeah recruit the

00:38:46.040 global south to manage the peace transitionary period for ukraine so again if you if congalese

00:38:51.720 militants patrolling ukraine yeah that's what you need right what again there's there's the question

00:38:56.840 of like how well does this all what's what's the what's the receipt for ukraine for all of this well

00:39:04.200 millions dead economy in shambles potentially a massive footing bill for the us for all of the loans

00:39:11.080 that you got from them and then to top it all our foreign policies like nice diversity as well a nice

00:39:17.160 injection of diversity so really i feel old ukraine i feel bad for the ukrainians man is they've not come

00:39:23.000 out the other side of this um good at all and again it is not the fault of the ukrainians on the ground

00:39:29.400 and even the ukrainians who you know signed up and supported the war of course that's what you're going

00:39:34.040 to do yeah this this was a fight for for sovereignty as far as you guys were concerned but it's really not

00:39:40.120 worked out well and the rest of europe as well through giving so much giving so much support to

00:39:46.600 them all of this money all of this very very heated wartime rhetoric and now off the other end of it

00:39:53.480 america's like bye and you do have to hand it to the ukrainians they fought a heroic fight like i

00:39:59.560 wouldn't want to have to deal with that that's a terrible position to be in so it's you know the

00:40:03.560 average ukrainian's you know very brave person but of course any nato aligned country having boots on

00:40:08.840 the ground even in a transitionary period threatens conflict happening depending on just how things

00:40:14.920 work out on the ground uh the economist decided to post this one how europe must respond as trump

00:40:21.960 and putin smash the post-world order that's war order right yeah the post-war order yeah saying uh

00:40:29.480 mr trump appears to be ready to walk away from ukraine which he falsely blames for the war calling

00:40:33.960 its president a dictator he warned him that he'd better move fast or he's not going to have a

00:40:38.120 country left america may try to impose an unstable ceasefire on ukraine with only weak security

00:40:43.640 guarantees that limits its right to rearm let us spell out the uh reality that europe faces and this

00:40:49.800 is where i think it's uh true what they're saying here despite all of the hysterical rhetoric that they

00:40:55.160 engage with this kind of thing trying to make it look as though trump and putin are best friends and i

00:40:59.960 see this as an extension basically of the 2016 russian interference kind of rhetoric they still

00:41:06.840 can't get it out of their heads that trump is not just putin's stooge on the world stages they just

00:41:13.320 cannot get it out of their heads but still if this is what they want to go with it at least they put bits

00:41:16.920 in here like this that are true it is uh europe is an indebted aging continent that is barely growing

00:41:22.920 yeah and cannot defend itself or project hard power remember britain number two soft power in the

00:41:29.720 world that's what we've got global rules on trade borders defense and technology are being ripped up

00:41:35.240 if russia invades one of the baltic states or and this is where they go into the hysterics again but

00:41:40.040 you know i can understand there is always the concern or uses disinformation to sabotage and destabilize

00:41:45.320 eastern europe what precisely will europe do and this is both a fault send them a strongly worded letter

00:41:52.520 possibly yeah this is both a fault of europe relying so much on the us guarantees for so long

00:41:58.840 and europe just generally grinding itself into the ground and i do think in the long term if it's

00:42:04.840 managed properly and governed properly that america pulling away from europe can give the leaders room to

00:42:11.400 actually begin to fix some of these problems but with the technocratic globalists that we have in

00:42:16.600 charge of a lot of european countries right now i don't think that that would be possible with

00:42:22.120 macron still in charge of france people of his caliber no i don't think it's going to be possible

00:42:27.240 for europe to drag itself out of the mire even if i do think again having america out of the picture

00:42:33.320 at least is a catalyst for them trying to do something good the question is does anyone want to fight for

00:42:39.240 the rules-based international order no no what what is what is uh i mean to use our own examples what

00:42:45.800 is britain offering these people do you want to fight for a country that wants to erase your history

00:42:52.600 erase your culture um i've seen the recent thing on twitter going around where it's a english heritage

00:42:59.080 poster where it's a pair of diverse people saying we need to preserve our heritage it's their heritage

00:43:05.320 now so oh we're just giving it away yeah do you want to fight for that no so one of the good things

00:43:11.160 that might come out of this uh and this was an interesting take that i saw from it which was

00:43:15.640 just the headline here embrace of putin is a molotov ribbentrop crisis for europe just constantly

00:43:22.360 fighting nazis in their imagination as though as though europe will be split between two spheres of

00:43:29.320 influence american on the west your um russian on the on the east which is that's not some kind of

00:43:37.320 new crisis for europe that was the cold war yeah that that's just returning to the cold war but

00:43:43.400 during the cold war what did we get we got these new ideologies of uh of diversity start to get

00:43:50.520 sprinkled into the countries and we see things change into the international liberal world although

00:43:55.800 obviously i would say that comes after the cold war um it accelerates after the cold war certainly

00:44:01.880 the the the it is true that during the cold war the ideologies that we come to know as just woke

00:44:07.720 diversity di they they were created but they were a long way away from power and a long way away from

00:44:13.960 influence and it's not until the 90s where they actually start finding a proper foothold because i mean

00:44:19.880 cranshaw coined intersectionality in 1992 so it is after well during the cold war i can see

00:44:25.560 the uh the necessity of having it so that the countries that you have on your side are still

00:44:31.080 um homogenous and able to function properly it was just the way things were yeah and after that all

00:44:37.320 of a sudden you don't need them to be as stable um so so things ramp up on a purely machiavellian

00:44:43.800 perspective then it makes sense keep them stable when we need them for any potential hot war that may erupt

00:44:50.520 once the threat of that is gone well it's the end of history then it's the end it's the end of

00:44:55.160 history everybody's just an interchangeable economic unit we want them to indulge in hedonism they want

00:45:00.360 them to we want them to be disparate um disparate and separated from one another no communities because

00:45:05.800 it just means that they spend more well communities are part of history yeah exactly uh but they point out

00:45:13.160 that uh this is the telegraph being a bit worried about america's influence on england in particular

00:45:20.520 following the end of this conflict saying that uh mega america has a greater natural affinity for

00:45:25.560 putin's right-wing cultural weltenstang because of course they've got his nazis all over again putlers

00:45:32.040 hang on right so that that that is actually a philosophical term right true uh it's it's uh even long

00:45:38.520 before the nazis uh welten shung is just the german for world view basically they always have to put it

00:45:44.920 in german don't they because it pictures it gets people's minds racing but it's also in like the

00:45:49.560 philosophical literature that's the word they use inside can't we just use world view what's wrong

00:45:53.240 with world view i don't know why we have to use the german word for it i'm sure there's some german

00:45:56.840 philosopher coined it but like it's it yeah but you are the association in in this i mean we're calling it

00:46:02.360 the molotov ribbentrop crisis yeah no we're definitely oh yeah it's nazis and soviets all again no it's

00:46:07.240 not it's something completely different it's americans and russians you know as in american

00:46:12.440 the thing is right i was at a sort of little conference a while ago and i was saying look i

00:46:17.160 i think putin is actually representative of russia right i think the average russia is very popular

00:46:22.280 with russians that i've met i bet the average russian sees a lot of themselves in putin right

00:46:27.080 and i bet that you know they they see him as operating in the russian interest in a traditionally

00:46:32.200 russian manner and so it's not putin doesn't seem like a a rabid ideologue to me he just seems like

00:46:37.880 a russian nationalist or something a traditionalist like a czar almost right whereas trump's an american

00:46:43.960 traditionalist he's just an american being american and wanting to project american power on the world

00:46:49.320 stage so like this is not the the nazis and the soviets were highly ideological like they had giant

00:46:57.320 sev a priori instructions they were trying to bring into being you know they were like no i have to

00:47:01.880 mold the world into communism or nazism you know to make a better a new world these guys aren't

00:47:07.720 thinking anything like this these guys are thinking machiavellian oh how can america be strong how can

00:47:12.680 russia be strong it's totally so this this harking about they're always fighting the last war yeah this

00:47:16.760 is just nonsense it's a nonsense association yeah but uh the i agree with you there to carry on from

00:47:24.440 some of the bits of this article that i've highlighted here so uh they say some of us are

00:47:28.920 forced to conclude that britain and europe are now the real enemies for this new washington and

00:47:33.720 furthermore that the us is anything but isolationist under donald trump he will not let us carry on being

00:47:39.880 different he will force feed us his maga ideology his oil fracking energy secretary in london this week

00:47:47.240 described our renewables as sinister will we face sanctions for trying to do something about co2 emissions

00:47:53.400 perhaps yes particularly for that basically saying oh no he won't let us carry on being di

00:47:59.960 like ideologues and it's ironic that he's saying that this is being that we're different and he'll

00:48:06.840 force on maga ideology when lots of the progressive ideology that we've got is from is an import from

00:48:12.040 america in the first place civil rights ideology is not english or european at all 100 please god let it

00:48:19.880 be true that they're not going to let you carry on with the climate nonsense just please so it's

00:48:24.680 incredible to me that this guy is again this this type is like the real conservative now because he

00:48:30.760 wants to conserve 10 years ago's ideology no no we can't have this new american woke ideology not

00:48:37.400 american-based ideology yeah it's yeah it's ridiculous the the uh the kind of panicking that's going on here

00:48:44.360 i do not wish to dissect every post by trump on truth social or dwell on the speech by jd vance i

00:48:50.120 think britain should repeal all its hates legislation and stop using uh police resources on thought crimes

00:48:55.720 it should stop dividing us into categories and return to colorblind liberalism colorblind liberalism

00:49:01.080 is american yeah so i mean i mean it's better than what we've got right now it's a better america but

00:49:08.040 it's still american so if you're worried about all of this stuff to do with oh america's sphere of

00:49:12.440 influence we don't want to be under their thumb you still are whether you realize it or not and

00:49:18.120 we can return things to and also it's ironic because that that is if there's an ideology behind

00:49:24.200 maggot and trumpism in general that's it yeah so he's saying oh i'm worried about the influence taking

00:49:29.720 us back to the exact thing that i want it to i believe already yeah so there's very there's very

00:49:35.000 strange pitched hysterics that go on there's a lot of ideological confusion in our conservative class

00:49:40.680 yeah and of course again this kind of sphere of american influence is better than what it used

00:49:47.480 to be that led to one of the worst examples of european wokeness that being just germany

00:49:54.600 germany in general have you seen this that came out recently i have in the interest of time can we

00:49:59.800 summarize oh yeah basic basically uh germany is a big victim of the end of history post-war post-history

00:50:09.800 ideology and took their incredible love of bureaucratization and authoritarianism and

00:50:17.480 decided well we're going to do if if we think and this is an incredibly broad term now that nazism is

00:50:24.040 basically everything then we're going to criminalize all of it so uh there was this there was this great

00:50:29.720 one saying is posting an insult to crime yes is it a crime to repost an insult or a lie yes is it a crime to

00:50:37.320 insult somebody in public yes and these are german prosecutors oh yeah this is this is the german

00:50:43.480 attitude towards law yeah saying such things uh you know um schultz saying that freedom of speech is not

00:50:50.440 actually freedom of speech because it can't back the extreme right who are the afd and we've got the

00:50:57.880 elections for germany coming up on sunday i thought you were gonna bring up a nazi party or something no no

00:51:02.920 yeah yeah maybe i mean those guys sound pretty serious no it's afd no it's it's always the afd

00:51:08.280 because they say hey let's be let germany be a country and not an economic zone for everybody

00:51:13.000 maybe we've got problems with immigration they go that's just exactly what hitler thought

00:51:16.760 but we've got the elections coming up on sunday i had a little bit more to go over but we'll keep

00:51:21.960 a track of the german elections and see what happens but i think that's a little bit of a summation of

00:51:27.160 where we stand at the moment during these peace talks and where the new world order will be

00:51:33.480 going forwards if american influence is going to maintain in the west i would still rather it be

00:51:37.560 trump's influence than whatever kamala harris might have been pushing on us the the afd are just they're

00:51:44.200 liberal so just knock it off anyway bald eagle says uh five billion only for ukraine eh no it's 500

00:51:50.440 billion it was they want 500 billion out of ukraine yeah they want 500 out of them and it's for the natural

00:51:56.200 resources and it's multi-layered as to why they want those natural resources as well yeah so it's

00:52:00.680 uh it's worse but uh ryan says my islander 2 copy came last week without me having to contact you

00:52:06.040 uh man i'm really sorry it took so long uh we don't know why our distributors have done this to us

00:52:10.680 we've changed distributor for islander 3 this is not going to happen again you're going to get like

00:52:14.440 email updates about where the thing is and you'll have a thing you can contact if there's a problem

00:52:19.560 this is not happening twice uh and oh hock says and i'm just going to say i'm reading this verbatim

00:52:27.160 this is not what i personally believe okay um it's only sent us 20 dollars so yeah you got to do it

00:52:34.680 man yeah israel has had helped orchestrate the assassination of jfk because he was preventing

00:52:39.640 them from having nuclear weapons and trying to register apac under far ryan dawson and cory hughes

00:52:45.480 know much more right i don't know i i have heard that theory but i've not looked anywhere near enough

00:52:53.400 into it i know that there is some evidence behind it but there's also a lot of evidence behind the

00:52:57.240 kind of theories that beau has as well yeah jfk for me i'm a zoomer uh he does not have the same

00:53:04.200 emotional resonance that he did with the boomers for me yeah i'm gen x i don't care about so i'm just

00:53:08.920 like uh jfk uh his head might as well have just spontaneously combusted for all i think i'm sure

00:53:14.280 the cia or whoever it was did kill him i'm sure it's a conspiracy and you know that's what the

00:53:19.800 sort of thing they did back then hopefully they don't do it too much now i'm sure they still do

00:53:24.040 obviously but what are you gonna do anyway so uh one of the uh one of the foundational questions of

00:53:29.560 morality is how would you like it if this happened to you and this is the golden rule the golden rule

00:53:35.160 hypothetical conditional if this was being done to me would i like it and if the answer is no then maybe

00:53:41.160 i shouldn't do it someone else and that's just a basic simple rule of morality and i think it's

00:53:45.880 worth having a bit of a recap as to what has already happened when it comes to say dumping

00:53:51.880 hundreds of illegal immigrants in tiny villages and whether that would be something you would

00:53:56.680 appreciate and if that's not the case why are we doing it to the people of our own countries

00:54:02.040 and especially as this is a well-trodden path we know what the result will be so anyway before we

00:54:07.800 get into it this is the final day to get islander too much go and get it or else you'll never be able

00:54:13.320 to get it again and uh we will be vastly appreciative because of course we're still demonetized on this

00:54:18.920 channel thanks youtube and uh help us keep the lights on and make sure we've got jobs tomorrow

00:54:24.120 anyway so back in 2015 there was a huge influx of quote unquote refugees from syria quote unquote

00:54:34.600 now you're surprised to learn most of the refugees weren't from syria most of them weren't from war

00:54:40.520 zones most of them and like 90 plus percent were young men as in fighting age young men who if you're

00:54:46.600 in a war i mean this is the thing about ukraine ukraine like no we're conscripting all of the young

00:54:50.600 men to fight a war oh i believe there's a real war going on then what were the ukrainian refugees

00:54:54.840 women and children oh real refugees got you got you these were not refugees right the asylum seekers

00:55:00.520 so in place small places like sumter in germany uh this and this was probably the worst of it as a

00:55:06.440 village of 102 people and the german government say yeah have 750 young men from foreign parts

00:55:12.040 good luck you're on your own right and i mean the mayor it has a mayor who literally every single

00:55:18.920 person in the village knows personally uh was just like i thought this was a joke his wife the mayor

00:55:24.280 said assured him it must be a hoax it certainly can't be true she thought it was a joke but it was not

00:55:29.720 it became a showcase of the extreme pressures bearing down on germany's it scrambles to find

00:55:33.320 shelter for what by the end of the year could be well over a million people seeking refuge from

00:55:37.080 poverty or wars in africa syria iraq and afghanistan elsewhere so poverty and wars sorry refuge from

00:55:44.760 poverty this is the kind of yellow journalism we had to deal with this is disgusting you're not a

00:55:50.360 refugee from poverty ever ever you cannot be a refugee from poverty remember when they changed the

00:55:55.560 definition so you could also be a refugee from oppression if you were gay in some country that

00:56:00.680 has anti-gay laws well come straight over don't worry about it and then we we do that to this day

00:56:05.800 but in it was something like 1.3 million in total that came but imagine imagine being in this village

00:56:11.160 and all of a sudden a load of foreigners show up that outnumber you seven to one yeah can you call

00:56:16.600 that village german anymore in any practical way no it's like what was the island off the coast of

00:56:22.680 italy that had a lampadusa or something oh yeah yeah whereas yeah literally there's like

00:56:27.480 6 000 people on the island 20 000 africans turned up it's like oh great thanks very much you know this

00:56:33.160 is a horrific thing and as you can see like you know these these are like this is an older community

00:56:39.160 and this is this is 10 years ago as well and it's interesting how the tactics have just remained the

00:56:43.240 same we saw it with ohio springfield ohio last year where it's just we've got a load of foreigners

00:56:49.560 we won't tell the local population we'll just drop them there yeah and you can deal with it

00:56:55.080 and the reason they do this is there's fundamentally nothing these people can do right so if you so

00:57:01.000 oh you've got 100 people there well how much is 100 votes worth not that much these people aren't

00:57:06.360 going to be affecting national elections are they it's not their problem so what can they can they

00:57:10.520 physically drive out the refugees no they can't do that so what they can do nothing in fact what can

00:57:15.640 they do can they sell up a move no because the house prices plummet right so they can't even sell

00:57:19.640 up a move so they're kind of prisoners there with you know seven to one foreign men who are just

00:57:24.920 standing around wondering why they're even here because they've got nothing to do they've never

00:57:29.080 heard of salter there's there's no yeah there's no infrastructure there they don't have like you

00:57:33.320 know you know an arcade or something you know there's nothing there so it's like what are they doing

00:57:39.800 they're just existing you're just asking for trouble you are just asking for trouble and that's that's

00:57:44.520 the worst example where it's like you know seven to one but it's still there are other examples where

00:57:49.880 it's just ridiculous this is a one from 2016 uh a small village called uh close to hide which got

00:57:57.480 a population of 280 and so 88 asylum seekers are put again these are going to be older residents in

00:58:03.640 these towns anyway so if you put 90 nearly young men who are just knocking around with nothing to do

00:58:09.640 well they end up causing trouble right and just listen to the tone right everything about this

00:58:15.800 was just i hate it i remember it very clearly and it really annoyed me right so like 88 asylum seekers

00:58:21.240 moved there last december they moved there did they they just moved there did they no they got dumped

00:58:25.720 there on buses by the government all right uh but fewer than 60 remained so a bunch of just wandered off

00:58:32.200 where did they go who knows it's just a schengenzen bro but they spend nearly six hours a day

00:58:37.400 studying german in hopes that they could someday work in professional fields such as medicine and

00:58:41.880 pharmaceuticals and i'm sure that was a decision they came to independently and i'm sure now they're

00:58:46.520 all you know eight years later nine years later i'm sure they're all now doctors and engineers and

00:58:51.560 lawyers i mean even if they are i mean we saw what happened with some of the german doctors well yeah

00:58:56.680 couldn't speak english very well uh became a reddit atheist oh committed a terrorist attack yeah how many

00:59:02.840 hours a day and for how long do you have to study german to be able to speak german i feel like a

00:59:07.960 week you're six hours a day you're gonna have passable german right you'll be able to have a

00:59:12.520 two weeks maybe a month you know how many years does it take right but anyway the point being quote

00:59:18.200 the fears have been inflamed by the rise of a far-right islamophobic party is the afd

00:59:23.640 again like oh wow something's skating now it's the afd they've been boogeyman for so long it's insane

00:59:30.920 how the rhetoric and the methods has just sustained itself for this long exactly the same and it's

00:59:37.640 been nearly a decade although i think that's mainly on the left on the right i think we've adapted

00:59:42.360 somewhat to just shrug our shoulders and say don't care yeah well it's it you know if it was genuinely

00:59:46.840 like okay there's like goose stepping down the streets or something and they're like yeah we're

00:59:49.960 going to put them onto camps i'm like okay maybe not those guys but the afd are not like that they're

00:59:54.280 just normal they're just a normal party like in any other world in any other paradigm the afd would

00:59:59.000 just be the normal conservative party that's just it right so anyway uh the afd is like i don't think

01:00:04.680 islam is compatible with the german constitution no kidding a serious they say that and they also say

01:00:11.960 all the migrants are criminals a series of attacks last month including two by asylum seekers

01:00:16.760 there we go have also unnerved germans though polls show that most don't see a connection

01:00:21.000 between the attacks and refugees i'm sure they didn't back in 2016. uh but of course there are

01:00:25.960 loads of examples here's another one in uh boutsin where residents were battling with asylum

01:00:31.960 sorry why were the asylum seekers battling residents why were they doing this right it must have been

01:00:37.640 racism yeah an 18 year old moroccan showed report hey wait what yeah look at the way the bbc is

01:00:43.480 framing this not none of the germans who were probably attacked no look at the poor diversity

01:00:49.240 look at this young man who was only trying to flee from violence in his home country i'm sure

01:00:55.320 fleeing the war in morocco it's just a complete coincidence that when he got there suddenly it

01:00:59.960 was violent yeah yeah yeah it's he's a grifter he's a grifter that's what he's there for he's

01:01:04.440 there to get german money there's no war in morocco look at the chain around his neck look at him

01:01:08.840 look at his like he's so immoveraged yeah no shut up you're a grifter you've come to get some free

01:01:13.960 money understood i don't even blame you the problem the people i blame you know obviously

01:01:18.200 young men are going to go try and adventure someone to get free money the problem is why

01:01:21.560 are we giving them you know no they should have been kicked out but anyway yeah so moroccan asylum

01:01:26.920 seeker and then you get uh the reaction from people because of course you know if you've got a lot of

01:01:32.600 bored young men who don't respect your country laying around and obviously there's a massive spike in

01:01:37.880 crimes particularly rapes so people were pissed off right people were really pissed off was it

01:01:42.520 2015 2016 new years in cologne where the thousands of rapes took place but there was a tracker of just

01:01:49.800 like you know people put pins on a map of germany every time there had been a migrant rape oh my god

01:01:55.800 it was just just everywhere right uh and that's that's just one kind of crime like you know low level

01:02:01.480 crimes like robberies and beatings and stuff like that they all it's murders obviously and so people

01:02:07.560 are pissed off sorry why have you brought in a bunch of young men who are just dangerous and

01:02:10.520 foreign and weird and seem to be completely contemptuous of our culture why have you brought

01:02:14.840 them here to victimize us it's like well we've got to protect their human rights bro and so people

01:02:19.400 got angry right and so you uh you get people attacking the migrant facility so within a year

01:02:25.320 people just start a thousand attacks in 2015 on migrant facilities like what's happening in ireland now

01:02:31.800 right no we're not gonna have it we're gonna burn the things down obviously i'm not suggesting anyone

01:02:36.040 should do anything like this obviously and so in the southport riots when you know kia starmer

01:02:41.320 the the the few people they actually had a legitimate case legally against from the southport

01:02:47.080 rights those ones who were trying to set fire to the to the hotels with people in them yeah of course

01:02:51.160 you're not allowed to do that of course you can't do that you know saying i don't approve of this to

01:02:55.960 the police should not be enough to land you in jail however uh which goes show you just how uh how

01:03:00.280 much of a trigger finger kia starmer had when it came to all of this and the reason that i'm pointing this

01:03:04.920 out is because we know this is totally predictable right it's an evil thing to do to utterly swamp a

01:03:10.600 tiny ancient village with a bunch of foreign young men why are you doing this is a completely cruel

01:03:16.440 thing to do to those people and then once that starts to generate a kickback it's obvious that

01:03:23.560 these people you're going to get violence break out between these two different groups so you shouldn't

01:03:29.800 have done this right this this is a very obvious and well trodden path and it's particularly tragic

01:03:35.080 for germany in a sense because they've been taught so much to hate their own history and think that

01:03:41.320 they have been one of the great evils on the world stage and obviously you can be very very critical of

01:03:46.920 the german government for for the mid-century stuff and everything oh and uh for the modern german

01:03:52.920 oh yeah i'm critical as well but i do not subscribe to the um ajp taylor theory that the german character

01:04:00.840 is just inherently evil and must be suppressed at all costs they're inherently um hang on he doesn't

01:04:08.120 say that uh he says that militaristic and prussian yeah and and that's not evil and there i think there

01:04:15.000 is something to this that essentially napoleon is the bearer of liberalism and the defeat of napoleon

01:04:20.920 essentially validates prussianism which i think does account for a lot of the the modern german

01:04:27.880 mindset well no i won't disagree with you there but it's not that they're evil obviously it doesn't

01:04:33.080 have to be evil it doesn't have to be for uh negative consequences you could say uh so i do not

01:04:40.280 think that the germans as a people deserve this kind of thing but they've been taught in many ways that

01:04:45.960 they do deserve it yeah no part of the tragedy no obviously not like i said i lived in germany for

01:04:50.600 70 years germans are lovely people uh they just shouldn't be in charge of countries they should

01:04:54.600 be in charge of beer halls and and kitchens and things like this right they run that run run run

01:05:00.760 a restaurant with military car manufacturers yeah exactly yeah absolutely anyway the the point being

01:05:07.040 um where does this go right where does it go when you start dumping a bunch of well frankly

01:05:12.680 potentially violent foreign men in tiny villages where people have got nothing for them and they can do

01:05:18.240 nothing well you you end up arriving at this point so three months ago this is just a woman in the

01:05:24.120 guardian uh complaining that there's oh wait the liberal order in germany is dying and there's a

01:05:29.900 massive clamp down right she says i live in a small quaint old town in northwest germany okay but why are

01:05:35.340 you there bonita dawdel right she's an immigrant why are you there she says i attend because i'm an immigrant

01:05:43.300 uh she sorry she says every day i attend four hours of german and integration lessons i attend because

01:05:50.160 i'm an immigrant i'm south african and moved to germany three months ago along with my german

01:05:53.920 husband and our children fair enough so she's got a reason to be there she's married to a german right

01:05:57.780 in these classes which will take 700 hours to complete are a requirement of my staying here for

01:06:01.940 more than a year now that's interesting because we don't do anything to make people integrate right

01:06:06.240 like we don't do we make our do we you know a million people came here last year how many of them

01:06:10.320 have to attend english lessons and integration lessons like we are way less responsible than

01:06:15.820 the german government is here i mean yeah we can complain about prussianism all we like but at

01:06:19.600 least they've got a plan even if it's a horrible plan at least they're doing either way the result

01:06:24.380 is the same sure but like you at least they're like managing it ours is completely unmanaged like so

01:06:30.240 it's just like you know we're crazy but the point is anyway she carries on and says well look as of last

01:06:36.580 month however germany having been seen in recent years as a humanitarian beacon for its track record

01:06:41.720 in welcoming asylum seekers and refugees is tightening its borders there we go this is where

01:06:46.820 we get to we get to the point where no even germany even woke liberal germany is like look no we just

01:06:52.360 have to stop this right it comes against the massive backdrop as the of the gains of the afd in state

01:06:58.360 elections it's hard not to see the border clamp down as a part of a strategy by olaf schultz's uh spd

01:07:04.320 to stop the afd from taking over because this is just inevitable what happens it's completely

01:07:10.000 predictable like sorry if you're going to swamp the country with a bunch of foreign migrants you're

01:07:13.680 going to get a nativist party that comes up and says we will fix this because this is not how we

01:07:18.180 have to live and so so oh no the thing the migrants think of the liberal order i learn alongside

01:07:24.360 refugees mainly from syria and ukraine as well as as well as other regular migrants like me from

01:07:29.840 non-eu countries failure to pass the language test or complete the integration course can result in

01:07:33.960 difficulties difficulties in extending terror temporary residence permits obtaining permanent

01:07:38.400 residency or german citizenship and in some cases can have financial consequences such as fines or a

01:07:43.840 reduction in social benefits why don't we do any of this like germany has had it bad for ages and we

01:07:50.100 don't do anything like this so okay again well trodden path there is a there is something that can be

01:07:56.640 done right and so she starts i think i think the most recent example of how we treat foreign criminals in

01:08:02.300 this country that i've seen was that was the headline of a foreign drug dealer who we promised uh we

01:08:08.780 wouldn't deport him to his country of origin because he promised that i'm only going to smoke weed from

01:08:14.220 now on there we go i'll take it oh well all right then you know that fixes everything all the drugs you

01:08:19.940 dealt forgiven as long as you only smoke weed see that's the thing we don't ask anything of these

01:08:26.360 people we don't i know it's ridiculous i want pete hitchens input on that i mean when we refuse to

01:08:32.520 deport people who have raped people in this country well my son doesn't like the nuggets over there

01:08:37.240 uh well no it's just that uh you know well if we send them back and he's known as a rapist he might

01:08:42.280 get lynched or arrested or something and we wouldn't want to punish rapists that's not what we do in

01:08:47.440 britain anyway she says commitment to these principles of compassion inclusivity and solidarity

01:08:53.240 represents what is best about german identity

01:08:55.860 being german means being woke as far as she's concerned i mean west german yeah not east german

01:09:04.160 oh no the east germans are definitely not not woke uh yet the rise of racism and anti-immigrant rhetoric

01:09:09.500 puts these very ideals in jeopardy who signed up to them i didn't sign up to these ideals these are not

01:09:13.880 my ideals these are your ideals screw your ideals right our headmistress recently told our class

01:09:18.600 racism is everywhere and germans are racist too thanks for indoctrinating the

01:09:23.420 the immigrants into hating the natives if someone hears you've been here for nine years and you still

01:09:28.680 haven't learned the language you have no chance no no hang on wait wait nine years how have you

01:09:33.840 managed in germany without knowing the language for nine years exactly but it's like if you've been

01:09:38.180 there for nine years and you still can't speak german then yeah you're right you have no chance

01:09:41.900 you probably don't deserve a chance come on you're taking the piss i was there for like nine days and

01:09:47.420 hadn't picked up a single word of german i'd probably be like i should probably put in a bit more effort

01:09:51.420 and it's not that hard and they're actually ever whenever you go to foreign country you try and

01:09:54.980 speak the language it's always happy that you're trying you know it's not the french not yeah apart

01:09:59.320 from i was gonna say apart from the french but in like almost any other foreign country people are

01:10:02.680 happy that you at least made the attempt you know and as an english you would expect that i don't know

01:10:06.580 a language like german dutch those kinds of languages there's some crossover so a little

01:10:12.040 bit but it's not easy i i my i live in an english colony so my german's terrible um but you know i

01:10:18.480 have an excuse well at least it's probably more easy for an englishman to learn those kinds of

01:10:22.300 languages than probably and like if you try to learn arabic oh yeah probably um but they and then she

01:10:27.780 says policing all land borders will come with racial profiling and potential human rights violations god i hope

01:10:33.700 so how does this sit with german values and culture which includes a strong commitment to human rights

01:10:39.160 justice and solidarity can german governments truly not find more effective ways to harness the

01:10:44.360 country's collective knowledge and expertise to address the root causes of a regular migration what

01:10:48.760 are you asking for imperialism are we meant to go and take over their countries and tell them how to

01:10:53.480 live and make their governments like that's the only other alternative oh we're going to address the

01:10:57.200 root causes right so we've got to take them over and force them to live as we want them to live

01:11:00.340 right that's it how's afghanistan doing just out of interest anyway so the point being this is a very

01:11:06.040 well documented and predictable pattern right a bunch of young men come to your country illegally

01:11:11.920 lie to the people in charge and the people in charge of their stupid bleeding heart liberal beliefs

01:11:16.840 go yeah yeah come and live in these tiny villages and they cause a lot of trouble create massive amounts

01:11:21.800 of ethnic tensions and eventually the state has to start clamping down on the borders and deporting

01:11:26.380 people or else a far right party is going to get in charge we're all well aware this is a very very

01:11:32.040 well trodden thing so of course england being 10 years behind everything else we're going to do

01:11:36.460 exactly that exactly to the dot that goddamn thing and it is insufferable right it is insufferable it's

01:11:42.840 also totally predictable and yet here we are right so this is braintree in essex which is just a small

01:11:49.860 english village which has a population of 707 people and the home office is like yeah you know what

01:11:55.200 boom 800 migrants that's what you need don't worry about it everything's going to work out just fine

01:12:00.060 we don't have any infrastructure or any amenities there or anything like that because it's a tiny

01:12:04.680 little english village but i'm sure all of this is going to go just brilliantly right so they they

01:12:11.680 have a an ref defense base there now that's a decommissioned i assume and the residents are like

01:12:18.860 okay but now our houses have just plummeted in value so you've just destroyed the and this probably was

01:12:23.880 quite a nice place and probably had quite expensive houses and so now they can't even sell their houses

01:12:28.380 and move so now they feel trapped there and they feel trapped in their own homes because of course

01:12:32.440 these young men are just wandering the streets like lost souls or something they've nothing to do

01:12:37.580 nowhere to go and people like i don't want to go outside i don't want to go out there and just like

01:12:43.080 be surrounded by a bunch of weird foreign young men why would i want to be with who we know have

01:12:48.160 totally conflicting values to our own and a lot of these people are of course older melody and alan

01:12:53.500 templey both 77 have lived next to the base for three decades but say their spacious house has

01:12:59.640 been rendered worthless because of the of these inhabitants we're effectively trapped here and

01:13:04.460 no one is listening to us that's right there is only 700 of you you're not voting your way out of

01:13:07.980 that you know your vote is not enough for that to matter so essentially it would require

01:13:12.500 someone like rupert lowe or naja farage richard tyson reform to come out and say wait a minute

01:13:16.900 i'm championing this cause this could be any english village and it might be every english village

01:13:22.920 and i'm not having it they need to turn this into a national issue otherwise the poor residents of

01:13:29.120 braintree have got nothing they can't afford to leave they can't afford to grab their houses

01:13:34.400 and no and their vote is not enough for it to matter so that's why this is such a cruel thing to be

01:13:40.000 done to these poor people who again have done nothing wrong and have done nothing to deserve

01:13:43.440 any of this this is i hate this so much man like i wouldn't take my dog out on my own to the lanes

01:13:50.620 nearby because you're likely to meet groups of bored single young men hanging around and these people

01:13:55.820 feel and this is the thing i'm not the least bit racist i'd have the same reservations if they were

01:14:00.680 young englishmen but there's also another factor and that's the cultural attitude towards women

01:14:04.420 which prevails with some of them that cannot be ignored yes they are not the same we are different to

01:14:09.440 them and that is why okay yeah and i agree it would i'd be annoyed if there were like large groups of

01:14:14.340 young english boys and lads around like what are you doing you know go i don't know what what they

01:14:20.280 even do go get conscripted to fight for ukraine what are you doing here um but they are right that you

01:14:27.340 know that would be a concern of themselves but it's even worse when it's a bunch of foreign men that you

01:14:30.780 can't even communicate with who definitely have suspect attitudes um and so this is this is scary to

01:14:36.720 them so her three teenage great granddaughter uh granddaughters uh who are there with her have

01:14:43.680 meant the family have had to install cctv cameras keep out signs along their private lanes which

01:14:47.880 were never necessary before good luck with the signs uh it's difficult to see this place ever closing

01:14:51.940 and it's so frustrating because we warned of all the problems that it would bring when the idea was

01:14:55.660 floated two years ago those problems are not hard spot wandering around weather's field and talking

01:15:00.740 to its inhabitants so they get they're getting exactly the same treatment it's exactly the same issue

01:15:05.000 and we're going to get exactly the same response and it's like god damn it man it could easily have

01:15:10.600 just been avoided if they would just admit that this is the case

01:15:13.960 all right very frustrating do you want to do the comments yeah uh i'll go through the rumble rents

01:15:21.280 so bald eagle 1787 says this kind of thing is played out across small farm towns in the u.s the

01:15:26.360 locals got displaced from work and suddenly there was a massive influx of drugs and crime

01:15:30.140 yeah funny how that works ryan hennigan says when the base right-wing parties take the power in the

01:15:35.640 west we should carve out a propositional nation we oversee where we can send all of the world's

01:15:39.360 refugees and asylum seekers call it liberia too that's not a bad idea to be honest yeah yeah

01:15:44.400 there's uh plenty of territory just waiting to be seized xenothium carl yeah greenland there you go

01:15:51.120 uh if uh carl if you guys need any support with shipping i'd be happy to help i work specifically in

01:15:56.860 supply chain freight and logistics i'll be happy to lend my expertise uh it's fine we've we've got

01:16:01.560 a much more professional company apparently uh working on things everything should be fine i'm

01:16:06.800 absolutely convinced it will be fine and again just sorry that this company slipped up we didn't know

01:16:10.820 what they didn't do it the first time so it was just like it wasn't evident this was going to happen

01:16:14.840 on the second one you know but uh but i'm absolutely certain we've got it sorted thank you though

01:16:19.260 yes thank you and with that let's move on to the video comments

01:16:22.760 early the next morning

01:16:34.760 can you imagine being in texas and having everything iced over i thought that sort of thing didn't

01:16:48.980 happen there well i assume so i mean texas pretty damn south man yeah how is that happening in texas

01:16:55.300 i saw a map the other day that was put uh well a little video that's pointing out on the maps uh if

01:17:00.220 you look at it that like pretty much all of europe is north of uh of the usa yeah uh so i was just

01:17:06.700 thinking like how do you even get cold weather down there especially in texas yeah i saw a video

01:17:11.380 the other day i don't country makes no sense to me but i will visit yeah no no it is lovely and all

01:17:16.340 the people are really really nice it weirdly right southern blacks are a lot normaler than you

01:17:22.020 like than the northern ones right no no i mean it it's it's a weird thing to say right you don't

01:17:29.540 get none of them uppity ones like up north well no it's it they just seem a lot more normal like

01:17:34.960 in you know you see like lots of videos from like new york and california and stuff where like

01:17:38.660 there seems to be like a lot of people with emotional problems but like i went to i went to

01:17:44.580 texas and other a few other places and there are lots of black people around but they're just

01:17:48.420 totally normal and just like hey man how's it going you know i'm sure i'm absolutely sure yeah

01:17:52.200 and it's just like okay but where where's the racial tension that i've been told that the racist

01:17:56.440 south has they just like lift up their sleeves show you their confederate town i guess i don't

01:18:01.280 know you know it's just like i was expecting like tension but it's nothing like that well this was

01:18:05.720 something that i saw remarked on um even like while desegregation and such was going on which was

01:18:11.780 that uh you know the the north never really understood the relations that the south had with

01:18:18.960 its black citizens because they only had a very small black population in the north and the um

01:18:25.860 and the south was saturated with them so they just got used to them being around and eventually did

01:18:31.520 just treat them like people obviously there was a lot of discriminatory laws

01:18:35.180 but they understood who these people were and knew how to behave around them as well

01:18:39.240 uh whereas i think most especially outside of america most people's idea of what um the black south

01:18:47.200 relations are the black white relations are in the south come from hollywood and television which are

01:18:52.340 liberal and very very biased against the white southerners in particular didn't i didn't like

01:18:57.660 honestly everyone and i was looking specifically like what are the what are the people's interactions

01:19:02.980 like and it was everyone's just completely normal and lovely everyone was lovely like i got an uber

01:19:08.940 with this this one black lady and she was just really really friendly really chatty and i was just

01:19:13.480 like how is there grass all over the place here like how often does it rain she's like it never rains

01:19:18.040 here i'm like well how the hell is it and she's like you know what i don't know i've always wondered

01:19:20.960 that myself but anyway see like um i've i've not been to america my parents have been there a few

01:19:28.540 times over the past few years and last year right when the uh big storm was about to come through they

01:19:33.820 were in florida and my dad my mom and my dad told me that they were staying at some motel somewhere

01:19:39.720 and the fire alarm went off at three in the morning so that oh bloody hell what's going on here so they

01:19:45.620 went to the reception it was a false alarm and what had happened was some homeless drugged out

01:19:51.540 black guy had set off the fire alarm because the man at the counter who was also black was refusing

01:19:58.460 to give him a room because he was insane and drugged out and it was three in the morning and the place

01:20:03.700 was full anyway nobody else had come out because they were probably just like oh it's another drug

01:20:07.420 addict yeah yeah your parents fire alarm but apparently they were just like what on earth is going on

01:20:12.260 here and the the normal black guy at the counter was just gave them a look like this is not the

01:20:17.460 first time yes yeah yeah yeah it's a weekly occurrence of this guy uh anyway on the topic of

01:20:24.260 the trump wish list there is one thing i'd like to see happen in new york there once stood a building

01:20:27.860 called pennsylvania station the absolute zenith of public infrastructure and i needn't convince you

01:20:32.380 of its beauty just look at the damn thing unfortunately the big fad of the 60s was diversity

01:20:36.180 the business so the pennsylvania sold the air rights and bulldozed it to make room for the eyesore

01:20:40.560 of madison square garden however it all ended up in the hands of the state and that lease is now

01:20:44.260 due to expire thing is the underground parts can remain meaning could be rebuilt exactly as it was

01:20:49.380 and trump being a new yorker has made offhanded comments about wanting to restore the station

01:20:53.040 of the past to me that'll be the shining crown jewel on restored america well one can dream

01:20:58.320 i tell you what this is not something we should be uh like ignoring about no no i absolutely believe

01:21:05.640 that alongside uh cultural and demographic problems the first real duty of any right-wing government

01:21:13.720 should be to re-beautify architecture architecture yeah because there is something so fulfilling and

01:21:22.000 vital vital about being surrounded by architecture that's monumental glorious and beautiful it makes

01:21:29.840 you feel alive it makes you feel happy it makes you love the place that you're in yeah you know i can

01:21:34.660 actually love being where i am which you can't at the moment oh god in response to the cringe in

01:21:42.320 the last segment yesterday my robot will share an equally cringe joke why did the scare crew receive

01:21:47.860 an award he was outstanding in his field freaking me out man i i i i prefer if it was just just a box

01:21:59.980 with a little like with a little smiley face on it yeah yeah yeah yeah i wonder what that clip was

01:22:08.440 taken from that look like an anime we don't know who struck first us or them but we know that it was

01:22:15.940 it was us that scorch the sky operation dark storm initiated

01:22:24.600 uh somebody in the comments said that it was actually a clip taken from animatrix and i've never actually watched that right

01:22:33.940 i haven't seen it

01:22:47.940 intrigued though i was with the idea of a book on the mythology of the british isles i was not prepared for its style and will have to listen to the audio book again

01:22:55.600 jeffrey ashe picks key myths from the survivors of the homeric siege of troy journeying across the mediterranean before landing among the giants of cornwall with whom they interbred founding the race of the english to arthurian tales before branching into wales and picture scotland

01:23:09.180 each chapter gives a short retelling of each myth sets it in historic and geographic context and then explains its relevance to the pantheon

01:23:16.440 just as britain does not have a single constitution so our mythology is fractured and richer for it

01:23:21.820 i'll check that out yeah

01:23:24.920 while not a redwood california has another native tree the bristlecone pine which can grow very old

01:23:32.840 the world's oldest tree is here called methuselah and it's about 4 800 years old that's older than the pyramids

01:23:41.100 unlike hyperion though i have no images of the actual tree it seems this secret is well kept

01:23:46.600 if you want to see the world's oldest trees go to inyo national park these trees are really stunning looking

01:23:52.380 i hope to see them someday too

01:23:54.300 see what i'm thinking is man imagine being a kid like when like british trees are not the grass the greatest to

01:24:01.840 climb right no there's that would be great yeah that would be that'd be fantastic

01:24:07.380 well speaking of boots on the ground uh back in the 90s my unit was tasked with supplying medical

01:24:16.760 support for the newly opened u.s embassy in the newly formed nation of ukraine um and the this medical

01:24:26.100 support was not shall we say ordinary field medics these were guys that could do field surgery

01:24:31.680 if you take my meaning but shh the american troops on the ground there now are like the ones in

01:24:38.060 vietnam and laos and cambodia they were advisors

01:24:41.820 all right then shall we go through the written comments while we've got a few minutes i'll go for

01:24:51.160 a few um jimbo says that guardian article makes me just want to get to arc next year they made it sound

01:24:56.040 fun yeah it was good um ramble walk says why are conservative christians flocking on board the arc

01:25:03.920 because the main points of the left seem to be satanic while with its open borders for non-christian

01:25:09.320 peoples and promotion of abortions uh yeah there's definitely uh definitely something to be said for

01:25:14.200 that actually um lord nareva says as soon as a war is becomes entrenched like this it must end

01:25:21.780 the lines are no longer moving territories no longer changing hands it's just young men killing

01:25:25.740 each other senselessly until one side runs out get it sorted yeah i agree with that especially the

01:25:31.400 senselessly until one side runs out and that's why you want to get it done because russia has

01:25:36.140 lots and lots and lots of young men who it will send to you whereas ukraine has a much more

01:25:41.620 limited number yeah yeah like it's it's crazy uh michael says what has the ukraine war accomplished

01:25:48.320 practically annihilated an entire generation of ukrainians russia practically owns ukraine

01:25:52.480 billions of dollars pounds of euro spent at least europe now understands trump's warning was spot on

01:25:56.700 you euros need to boost your defense oh look they should have yeah when they were laughing him back

01:26:01.960 in like 2017 or 2018 or whatever it was like look you know you need to be worried about russia and they

01:26:06.800 just did just laughed in his face it's like what are you doing you know what are you doing he's

01:26:11.300 serious afraid bentos for every haitian says to be an enemy of america is dangerous to be a friend

01:26:17.520 is fatal so it's henry kissinger and there's definitely something to that yeah uh derek says

01:26:23.280 hot take most ukrainians are not capable of defining themselves as anything other than we are not russian

01:26:27.420 and maybe we have things well to be honest with you most identities are relational and oppositional

01:26:33.320 anyway as in the i am not that thing and therefore i'm different because people are not normally

01:26:38.800 forced to think about their identity all that hard so ukraine has been contested uh land for a very

01:26:45.940 long time as well and during the holiday more and uh the um de-kulakization one of the other things

01:26:52.060 that russia was doing at the time of the bolsheviks was de trying to russianize and de-ukranianize

01:26:57.780 a lot of the territory as well so if they've got conflicted identities then i can't find myself

01:27:03.900 blaming them very much yeah uh omar says most people agree that immigrants are supposed to

01:27:09.140 integrate by adopting or customs and traditions uh but leftists slyly imply that we have a duty to

01:27:14.040 facilitate a two-way cultural exchange that's a great point uh a mott and bailey where they can

01:27:19.380 pretend to hold the reasonable position while advancing their ideals yeah and also like subverting

01:27:24.440 the culture yeah i mean you're absolutely right the the natural implication with immigration is you are

01:27:29.520 going to become like them and therefore you are giving up what you had come from uh but you are

01:27:34.680 exactly right they don't do that uh jimbo says the woke germans have literally started having raves in

01:27:39.820 response to one of their own being stabbed by a new arrival if the afd afd don't win they're done

01:27:44.140 what i didn't see that oh sorry repeat that for me apparently woke germans had a rave or raves in

01:27:50.040 response to a woke german being killed by a migrant um i don't know about that no i didn't see that but

01:27:56.980 i saw some reports of um was was it in germany the the recent uh car attack where they ran over a

01:28:05.060 load of woke progressives who were celebrating migrants maybe it's not and uh they said in

01:28:10.860 response that well germans are basically racist anyway so it doesn't matter and that was from

01:28:16.140 the woke germans themselves i feel bad the germans in particular seem very very susceptible to top-down

01:28:22.360 ideologies being put on them because they're very very attentive to things and they have a deep deep

01:28:27.420 respect for bureaucratic authority so feeding them an ideology that makes them absolutely despise

01:28:33.820 themselves and think that everything that happens to them now is justified is one of the most evil

01:28:38.300 things done to them yeah and uh i guess we'll end with demonia woodsman saying i have witnessed

01:28:43.580 migrants roaming around and loitering on our country roads in cornwall cornwall luckily i was with my

01:28:49.280 wife on these occasions now i'm concerned for local women if they go walking running these lanes by

01:28:52.860 themselves is nowhere safe no no is safe and the government's going to make sure that nowhere in

01:28:56.980 this country is safe end of story that's what's going on Angela rayner said that they need to take

01:29:00.880 their fair share of migrants as well the rural countryside they're literally going to dump a bunch

01:29:05.060 of foreign fighting age men on your doorstep good luck all right so thanks very very much for

01:29:10.460 watching we've got lads hour in about 30 minutes where we're going to be asking do politics joe know what

01:29:16.440 being english is probably not probably not it's it's you know it's more interesting okay all right

01:29:22.460 well i thought we did it's quite funny but it's also interesting so if you're a member on the website

01:29:27.380 please make sure to tune in for that it should be good fun everybody else thank you very much for

01:29:32.020 watching we'll be back again next week take care

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - February 21, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1106

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