The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1111

00:00:00.000 good afternoon folks welcome to the podcast the lotus eaters for friday the 28th of february 2025

00:00:04.880 i'm joined by stelios and harry and today we're going to be talking about how the epstein files

00:00:10.720 have been released or phase one yeah yeah very strange that they have to be released in phases

00:00:18.000 aren't they yeah very sus uh how agitate is actually not a conservative icon and we have

00:00:23.280 spoken about this before but it keeps coming up and how we are and ending with some good news this

00:00:28.640 week uh how we're winning the battle for english identity and how the the libs are in disarray

00:00:34.800 and routed owens jones welsh confirmed it's gonna be he's never gonna recover from this one his name

00:00:41.800 is owen jones yeah tiny gay welshman no recovery anyway uh so without further ado let's let's get

00:00:49.260 into it yeah so the epstein files are being released in phases uh i believe that the reason for the

00:00:57.260 phases outside of pure publicity reasons might be because of the fact that they're taking time to

00:01:02.520 gather all of them from the fbi and then release them as they have hold of them a lot of people have

00:01:07.980 been very suspicious as to why they can't just all be gathered at once and then released to the public

00:01:12.920 at once but honestly the whole thing is a circus show thus far and a disaster and i think that it's

00:01:19.700 being done for a very intentional reason which i will get into in a moment but first we have the

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00:02:04.040 right now is that phase one has released a load of these jeffrey epstein files and you can go onto

00:02:10.220 the american government website and see the press report that they've put here they've said that

00:02:15.220 attorney general pamela bondy in conjunction with the fbi declassified and publicly released files

00:02:21.580 related to convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein and his exploitation over 250 girls they do add a

00:02:27.420 nice disclaimer here the first phase of declassified files largely contains documents that have been

00:02:31.880 previously leaked but never released in a formal capacity by the u.s government so they said it was

00:02:36.700 phase one but it looks more like phase zero yeah this is nothing this is nothing whatsoever so what

00:02:43.440 you have here is an itemized evidence list which is of no use to many people uh a flight uh all of

00:02:51.560 the flight logs that we already had a redacted contact book which we already have unredacted yeah

00:02:57.220 the unredacted one was leaked to like wherever yeah and a redacted masseuse list which is 250 names

00:03:04.160 completely redacted for the purposes of the fact that these masseuses were the victims yeah so that's

00:03:09.380 completely understandable but we have got absolutely nothing of any value right now and one of the

00:03:16.160 most bizarre things to come out of this is this right so the gop house judiciary committee led by

00:03:22.700 jim gordon uh jordan posted a link to the epstein files a tiny url and when you clicked on it you got

00:03:29.600 this okay why is that funny is it is that funny is this something that the uh the gop house judiciary

00:03:47.300 committee should be doing in something like the epstein files something that not only is a serious

00:03:52.120 crime in and of itself but has ridiculously far-ranging implications to the intelligence agencies who jeffrey

00:03:59.300 epstein was working for what purpose he was using it for who is he trafficking the goddamn girls to

00:04:04.880 who was he trafficking the girls to what influence was he trying to buy through having this blackmail

00:04:10.100 material on these people and again very very important who was he doing it all for because

00:04:15.960 looking into jeffrey epstein himself i know i've been i've been listening to a little bit of the

00:04:20.280 marta made podcast because he's got a five and a half hour series on jeffrey epstein i wasn't able to

00:04:25.220 listen to all of it but from the information that i know jeffrey epstein and his origins are

00:04:31.380 incredibly mysterious he's just a college dropout a maths teacher and then all of a sudden he manages

00:04:38.040 to wrangle himself into being a financial advisor and manager of funds for les wexner yep over the

00:04:46.280 course of one or two meetings after which he's given the entire control of this man's finances

00:04:51.940 and five years later is given some kind of contractual agreement that means he can sign

00:04:55.820 anything on behalf of this man at any times it's it's it's absurd that this man comes out of nowhere

00:05:03.460 has all of this influence is able to do all of these terrible things is repeatedly brought up for it and

00:05:09.640 then in 2013 i think it was when he was originally brought to court over this is given a very very easy

00:05:16.940 deal where he only serves 15 months where did this man come from how did he amass this influence

00:05:22.580 why did he amass this influence for whom was he given this influence these are all questions that

00:05:28.600 we want answered but the new story because of how much of a disaster this entire rollout has been

00:05:34.920 will be revolving around purely the struggle to get the files released and then i imagine we'll get the

00:05:41.000 files released eventually they will be incredibly heavily redacted and give us nothing that we don't

00:05:45.320 already have i don't think that we're gonna find out anything no and the whole thing was a circus

00:05:51.620 especially what what they did here because they treated a really important scandal like gossip

00:05:56.200 this is literally low-level gossip i'm phoning you i'm telling you harry i have news for you i'm gonna

00:06:02.720 tell you so i'm trying to create i'm trying to make you wait for it and i'm not i'm not

00:06:07.180 build anticipation exactly and never actually lead anywhere and i think i joke without a punchline yes

00:06:13.280 and i'm really happy that there was backlash regarding this and i think they may have deleted

00:06:19.520 it i quote tweeted the house judiciary now they have deleted it yeah yes because it's obvious that's

00:06:24.800 at least a good thing why would you treat this like a joke yes we want people arrested i can only assume

00:06:30.340 and this is speculation on my part that a lot of the people who might be tied up in all of this

00:06:34.600 are the same people who are now being tasked with looking into it and releasing it obviously not

00:06:39.020 necessarily trump's immediate appointees i would hope so but i mean we don't know yeah that's the

00:06:46.420 problem is that we don't know and the fact and it's going to stay that way it kind of implicates

00:06:50.720 the lots of them right it's an elite paedophile network who was trafficking girls to be abused

00:06:56.620 in order to get compromise on people at the highest positions of power right this means our civilization

00:07:03.280 tactics that's what the mafia used to do to work and what did what did the mafia get out of it

00:07:08.760 where they got bad stuff on j edgar hoover who then went around saying oh no there's no organized

00:07:13.220 crime in america because that's why you get it so that they'll leave you alone yeah and it we don't

00:07:19.160 want a civilization run that way and it's not just in america it's going to be everywhere that these

00:07:23.600 people were operating so this is really important this definitely spans international boundaries

00:07:29.340 absolutely and aside from the fact that you know what we're doing is allowing a bunch of child

00:07:34.200 abusers to control our civilizations like we don't want these people getting off either and so this

00:07:39.720 being so flippant is just disgusting and something else that came across very flippant was the strange

00:07:44.780 decision to allow a load of social media influencers like libs of tiktok here and mike chernovich to have

00:07:51.260 a nice little dc drano i think that gentleman is to have a nice little photo up holding these binders

00:07:57.300 that say epstein files phase one on the front of it as if it's something important as if they were going to

00:08:03.000 do the same thing with this that they did with the twitter files where elon musk was going to just

00:08:07.980 give it to a load of well i mean to be fair the people the files were revelatory yeah the people

00:08:12.260 actually interested and he gave it to journalists rather than social media influencers and in in these

00:08:19.740 files themselves are again nothing that we didn't already have and as far as as far as i know these

00:08:27.000 guys didn't even know what was in there in the first place so these guys were brought along to act as

00:08:32.840 part of the media circus purely to be what publicly humiliated because they look like fools i don't

00:08:39.300 know like very strange this is a very peculiar thing because there's no reason that they i mean

00:08:45.040 it's fine to give them to social media influencers right that's okay but why aren't there arrests like

00:08:52.140 we want names of the people who are involved in the child sex trafficking rings who have been using

00:08:57.640 the abuse of children for political influence like ghislaine maxwell is the only person who's

00:09:03.220 actually properly charged for this and she's currently in jail for trafficking children to no

00:09:07.560 one like we know these people are out there we know there's a network why aren't you just tearing

00:09:12.880 maul up and putting maul in jail it's a good question it's a really bizarre thing and again the

00:09:19.460 people who got these files they're just going on the social media like oh look at me i've got these

00:09:23.120 files we're going to get it soon we're going to get the information out to you that you already know

00:09:26.780 that's going to be redacted that you already had that was unredacted because the fbi and other

00:09:30.920 other various people leaked a lot of this information ages ago so what these people are just gonna

00:09:36.280 get a few likes off of it yeah get their get their twitter up dudes engagement farming yeah very very

00:09:44.100 strange and again of the information that we have so this this account swig is the only one who

00:09:48.760 seems to have actually released any photos of what they were able to find in these files in the

00:09:55.020 first place and then you've got people just going well here's what you've posted here's what we

00:10:01.180 already had yeah because his entire book was leaked yeah i covered this in a video six years ago you

00:10:09.520 know we we know all of this stuff none of this is new yeah it's just a bunch of court transcripts

00:10:13.780 that we already had it's bizarre and apparently the story is that these influencers were all just

00:10:18.860 invited to the white house for an unrelated purpose about two hours into the meeting that they

00:10:23.940 attended they received binders and then were summoned to the oval office to meet trump they left the

00:10:28.580 binders behind but grabbed them before heading out and as they got out a swarm of cameras greeted them

00:10:34.200 which is where we get these press photos from now i don't know how true this story is but if if it is

00:10:40.080 true then these people have all been fooled and made to look a bit like fools and if this is untrue i

00:10:47.040 mean it doesn't matter what the truth of the matter is the whole thing is stupid and slapdash

00:10:51.960 and a pure distraction and uh of the other information that people are saying you know

00:10:56.840 like ian miles chong revealing the amazing revelation oh he was an fbi informant in ian's

00:11:04.160 defense he's not saying this is an amazing revelation he's at least just saying that this

00:11:07.280 is what happened yeah you know and you we know you know yeah we we we know but i mean yeah it's one

00:11:13.120 of many many connections to intelligence agencies domestic and international that he has that means

00:11:18.980 of course the people giving us this information aren't going to want us to actually have the

00:11:23.620 information that they've got because cash patel was just going to go in like a wrecking ball and

00:11:27.600 destroy them all but pam bondi was like yeah it's on my desk we're getting out why why are you doing

00:11:32.520 this and if you are interested in learning about the jeffrey epstein stuff the fbi has already

00:11:37.600 through freedom of information acts that you can find on their vault web page um released lots and

00:11:43.560 lots of documents about jeffrey epstein again heavily redacted there's nothing interesting

00:11:49.140 in them there's not that much interesting in them but we already have loads of redacted information

00:11:53.920 about jeffrey epstein which has led to no arrests yeah so this is just another part of the cycle of

00:12:02.860 the jeffrey epstein story where it's basically turned into a gigantic conspiracy theory where nobody

00:12:09.440 can say anything specific or anything that is confirmed because well we're all just left in

00:12:15.500 the dark and the news cycle just carries on with the will they be able to get the information out

00:12:20.520 there will they be able to get the files whereas the people who are actually criminals who have done

00:12:25.700 wrong get to carry on they just get to carry on this is what they're gonna do they're gonna constantly

00:12:33.440 say the battle to drain the swamp is gonna be an everlasting battle and it's a battle that is never

00:12:38.740 won entirely yeah i i think this has been a really very very very badly handled and also from a from

00:12:46.440 a media perspective it doesn't communicate any kind of strength or will to actually solve everything

00:12:51.380 it's it's a disaster wasn't the fbi just summoned into existence via executive order i believe so i

00:12:58.300 think was it under fdr that the fbi was summoned into existence it was probably part of some kind of

00:13:03.680 new deal scheme to steal all of the gold from americans because they did actually they they did

00:13:08.520 nick all of your gold in the 1930s america yeah so i mean i would i guess i i've not got any fear

00:13:16.480 about being in these books so i would just dissolve the fbi and take it or publish it but what do i

00:13:21.540 know you know well you don't have a loaded gun to your head no i don't yeah also unlike many of

00:13:26.760 these people you probably don't have any compromising files on you held by these people so of course you're

00:13:31.440 going to say well just dissolve the whole thing so the the latest information now is that uh pam bondi

00:13:37.140 has accused the fbi of withholding thousands of pages of jeffrey epstein documents as the u.s

00:13:41.920 attorney general has she's now demanded that all of the documents are turned over by friday morning

00:13:46.420 in a public letter she asked the newly confirmed fbi director cash patel to also investigate why

00:13:52.280 after repeated requests for their release thousands of documents related to the epstein probe

00:13:57.020 had already been withheld because remember cash patel's been on podcasts saying yeah i've seen

00:14:02.080 the unredacted jeffrey epstein files they're brutal it's like okay now you're in charge you're the guy

00:14:08.380 who can pull the trigger on it yep what are we what are we waiting for here so the fbi according to this

00:14:14.840 latest update on this page now has just one hour just one hour to hand over thousands of pages if

00:14:21.160 they've not already potentially destroyed some of them or what yeah or what happens

00:14:26.840 i don't know exactly why is there a deadline yeah and and lots of people are uh so are also

00:14:35.560 are also annoyed yeah you get this you get entire you're going to get entire pages of just blacked out

00:14:41.300 well the guy who sleeps with chinese spies is dunking on you yeah again this does not make you seem like

00:14:48.360 a serious administration if this is what is going on but it it was completely unsurprising to me

00:14:54.320 and to many people that this is what was going to happen because of the vested interests behind

00:15:00.560 epstein in the first place who he was working for who he was doing it with and now this is going to be

00:15:05.240 a lot of conspiratorial talk for just a moment and a lot of it is going to be circumstantial but the fact

00:15:11.540 is this is the best idea we have as to why epstein was able to get into the position of power that he

00:15:18.240 was in the first place and that is that he was an intelligence asset i mean look at this back in

00:15:24.400 yeah it was 2007 not 2013 apologies so back in 2007 alexander acosta who was the former u.s attorney

00:15:32.060 in miami uh cut jeffrey epstein a 15 month plea deal for child sex offenses and he said after the fact

00:15:40.320 that he was told that epstein belonged to intelligence i recall correctly epstein was only

00:15:46.440 in uh he was in jail i think he was under house arrest so i'll double check me on that but i'm pretty

00:15:53.420 sure hardly a punishment i'm pretty sure he was confined to his florida mansion with his swimming pool

00:15:58.540 i know completely terrible and uh the question then is which intelligence but that's a very big

00:16:05.800 question and in all likelihood most of them yeah because they all work together but one of the

00:16:12.460 ones that people think is most likely for being maybe the top of the hierarchy of the ones that

00:16:17.100 he was answering to was potentially israel's intelligence service mossad and that's because

00:16:23.540 of many connections he had for instance gillane gislaine maxwell is it yeah was the daughter of robert

00:16:29.520 maxwell and if i scroll down and this is just his wikipedia page so this is very very public

00:16:34.220 information which has been confirmed many times there are books written on this stuff that you

00:16:39.080 can read about him it's completely uncontroversial saying he was he was a mossad he was a mossad agent

00:16:44.020 he had link known links to the british secret intelligence service the mi6 to the soviet kgb and to

00:16:49.940 the israel intelligence service mossad six serving and former heads of israeli intelligence services

00:16:55.660 attended his funeral in israel while israeli prime minister yitzhak shamir eulogized him and stated he

00:17:02.800 has done more for israel than can today be told and his death itself is deeply suspicious oh he just

00:17:08.760 fell off his boat one day yeah just fell off his boat bro don't worry about it so i think when people

00:17:14.200 are talking about him as just an intelligence asset or an informant it's really downplaying it yeah well

00:17:20.280 he was an agent we are not we're not talking about someone who is in a low profile position and who is

00:17:26.520 being asked by an intelligence service you know what do you think about the guy who works next to you

00:17:30.760 we're talking about someone who regularly met very high profile people yes very very powerful people

00:17:37.100 some of the most powerful people in the world and then there's also the fact that obviously this is

00:17:41.460 you could say hearsay but there's the fact that uh i mean apparently there's direct apparently he said he

00:17:49.220 was a mossad agent himself now of course he might have been picking himself up he might because this is

00:17:55.100 from the word of a former girlfriend who was in a lawsuit and referred only to as jane doe 200 she

00:18:02.860 stated that uh he and gillaine maxwell hinted that he was an agent for mossad the israeli intelligence

00:18:10.560 agency just like maxwell's father robert for her part gillaine allegedly warned doe that it was not

00:18:16.000 good to be epstein's enemy now this was a woman who uh was sadly raped by jeffrey epstein and uh

00:18:23.540 intimidated and you could say that well maybe he was trying to big himself up so that it sounded as

00:18:28.760 though but the the fact is that there are direct connections between maxwell and him and a lot of

00:18:34.620 other information and of course this does not in any way mean that the other intelligence agencies

00:18:39.720 the cia the mi6 anyone that you can think of are innocent of this because they all trade information

00:18:45.400 they all know what's going on with all of the other ones and in all likelihood if this does go to

00:18:50.220 the intelligence agencies which is what it sounds like it is it sounds like they would have all been

00:18:54.780 in on this because if you're an intelligence agency why wouldn't you want incredible blackmail material

00:19:00.300 on the president why wouldn't you want blackmail material on every influential businessman in america

00:19:06.600 or internationally why wouldn't you want blackmail material on all of hollywood why wouldn't you want

00:19:11.780 all of this that's amazing for you because you can do whatever you want yeah no nothing to disagree

00:19:18.440 with there yeah and so that's where we stand at the moment i can imagine that barring the

00:19:24.800 circumstantial and uh and uh other evidence that we have right now there's not going to be much coming

00:19:30.700 much else coming out of this until maybe phase two if i want to just inhale some nice copium right now

00:19:36.860 maybe phase two will actually unearth some interesting information that hasn't been destroyed

00:19:41.360 or redacted yet but with where it's going right now the story is going to be around the circus show

00:19:47.520 of getting a load of random influencers to wave about some binders for um to be just another part

00:19:54.660 of the news cycle that then moves on whereas we should all be very aware that this is more than

00:19:59.560 just the news cycle these are the people who control your life in many ways until people are

00:20:04.040 being arrested then none of it means anything yeah exactly so if there's some arrests made then you

00:20:09.100 know i'll uh i'll i'll take the uh bitter pill and say that i was wrong but until then i have no

00:20:15.000 reason to believe that i will i will be i'd love oh yeah i'd love for it to be oh well you know we

00:20:21.120 thought nothing was going to happen but here's a bunch of people who are on the logs and who got

00:20:24.520 arrested great you know wonderful we already knew this anyway so there's some good news to start the

00:20:29.880 day off with eh neo unrealist says this is the best thing that's happened in a decade fbi nyc is the

00:20:35.520 heart of the deep state resistance adic james dennehy is in charge james comey daughter is in nyc

00:20:43.000 patel should raid the ny office yeah but why isn't it happening yeah well hopefully he does

00:20:48.020 yeah we've got we've got slightly less than an hour now until the 8 a.m deadline is up for them

00:20:53.300 handing over the information excuse me if patel is as much of a pit bull as he's been sold to us as

00:20:58.780 being yeah hopefully he will do something to raid the ny office and then hopefully he'll do something

00:21:03.920 to actually give us the unredacted information that will lead to arrests until then i am not holding

00:21:11.000 out much hope i don't even need the information i just want you to arrest the people just you know

00:21:16.420 can't be released after the fact i don't care just arrest the people for christ's sake um matt

00:21:21.080 says trump needed a pit bull as attorney general he seems to have got a golden retriever who came

00:21:25.220 from florida and expects everyone to row in the same direction well the thing is cash patel was

00:21:28.500 supposed to be a pit bull but they were supposed to all be on the same side and getting this done

00:21:33.240 so what's the hold up and uh trelly says a complete effort they should all be fired

00:21:38.100 if it was about the fbi corruption then a press conference and a raid on the office

00:21:41.540 should have been conducted not this disrespectful fast agreed can i pinch the mouse please of course

00:21:45.720 right um god that is just insufferable isn't it uh right okay well let's uh let's move on to the

00:21:52.260 next insufferable topic we have to talk about before we get something fun uh the andrew tate question

00:21:57.340 right so there are several new developments with uh respect to the tate brothers and they have

00:22:04.200 sparked a conversation with respect to whether people's stance towards andrew tate and his

00:22:11.040 whatever he represents should be a litmus test for conservatives long story short my view is it's

00:22:17.820 absolutely the case that it should be a litmus test and i'm going to be particularly harsh but i think

00:22:23.740 fair right but before we say more about this we have islander number three uh people should

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00:22:43.560 by all means right so let's go back to the tate brothers where when people talk about the tate

00:22:49.120 brothers we need to make a distinction between the legal and the moral case yes and the moral case

00:22:54.780 has to do also with a with several questions about cultural influence i'll say right from the

00:23:00.880 beginning i am no judge and i i'm not going to participate to the kind of influencer culture

00:23:06.920 that says that likes on and clout on on internet platforms are determining whether someone is legally

00:23:14.460 guilty or innocent i'm not going to do that and i'm going to suspend judgment with respect to whether

00:23:22.220 the allegations against the tates are correct or not from a legal standpoint so i'll just a quick

00:23:28.520 thing as i understand it romania is no longer charging them with anything no no they they are

00:23:33.340 charging them oh no i i saw a thing this morning that the apparently an appeals judge found that the

00:23:37.860 charges weren't sufficient to bring to court so they're just well it's an ongoing case maybe that's

00:23:42.820 the case i i read other yeah yeah when when when's this article from is this right so this is just

00:23:48.960 for people to freshen up their memory uh with respect to the accusations uh and rotate it's from

00:23:54.980 i can't see yeah it's from yesterday from sky news who is andrew tate the self-styled king of toxic

00:24:01.440 masculinity awaiting trial in romania you can read it if you want to freshen up your memory with respect to

00:24:07.040 the uh the trafficking charges and the rape charges right so let's move on so what happened was that

00:24:15.400 they were in romania and there were travel restrictions and there have been reports that

00:24:21.400 people from within the trump administration pressured the romanian government to allow them to exit the

00:24:27.800 country right and uh trump denied this if you see here he says i don't know anything about it we'll check

00:24:35.800 it out we'll let you know i mean trump personally probably it's probably going to be in the same

00:24:41.300 way that biden's administration was run by staffers uh trump's is also going to be run by staffers so

00:24:46.740 it's probably something they've done on their own merits yes and it's something that personally i don't

00:24:51.020 think uh helps trump's image no i don't from within his administration right so let's move forward we

00:24:58.540 have i want to talk about a kind of psyops that is being run or i think is being run which tries to

00:25:05.140 portray uh andrew tater's sort of a conservative icon or someone who is within the mega camp and i

00:25:12.000 think if any anyone who is who considers themselves to be within the mega camp should be really

00:25:18.660 frustrated with it because it's treating the mega people as idiots oh just just just to confirm what

00:25:26.960 carl said as well this tweet that is being responded to here saying andrew and tristan take a return home

00:25:31.800 to america romania uh decided didn't have the evidence needed to hold them any longer so yeah

00:25:35.860 that was the report i'd seen yes but i think that there there have been contrary reports that say

00:25:41.200 that the investigation is ongoing yeah i it's hard to know because there's such a well contradictory

00:25:46.760 information right and my angle here is not going to be about the legal case my angle is going to be

00:25:51.540 about the reaction of conservatives to andrew tate and how it should be handled right so i think that

00:25:57.440 there is a kind of psyops that is being addressed towards uh conservative american conservatives

00:26:02.940 especially that tries to link to link andrew tate with trump as an image that's why they're trying to

00:26:11.100 say the people who go after trump are the same people who go after tate the the anti the globalists

00:26:17.900 of the soros foundation are the the real culprits behind it and they try to portray andrew tate as

00:26:27.080 a trump-like figure well in in some ways he is because they've both got the same enemies right

00:26:32.020 they're both opposed to the sort of progressive globalist world order like yeah okay but you don't

00:26:37.120 have to be the same person or the same kind of person that is too thin though personally i don't see

00:26:41.600 andrew tate as a figure of anti-globalization anyway because of the fact that he has been an

00:26:46.200 outspoken supporter of islam becoming the dominant religion in the uk well there is always that yeah

00:26:52.260 so that to me that's reason enough to not support him we have here valentina gomez says i like andrew

00:26:58.540 and tristan tate nobody's perfect the most powerful men get bs allegations just like trump hexath and

00:27:04.240 conor mcgregor they're trying to link andrew tate with trump in the conservative in in the american

00:27:11.820 conservative mind and here we have candace owen saying that for those of us who actually read

00:27:17.460 through their case the restrictions that were placed on the tate brothers in romania were always

00:27:22.020 an act of intergovernmental corruption and she's trying to and i've not read through the case so

00:27:28.420 that could be true yeah i couldn't completely believe it yes right so we have here the tampa bay

00:27:34.020 young republicans who are trying to portray this as a case of free speech absolutism

00:27:39.160 and i really don't see it as a case of this kind but they're saying here that as free speech

00:27:46.460 absolutists the tates haven't been formally convicted of any crimes and are welcome to speak to a group

00:27:51.760 we're old enough to remember when a convicted felon won the presidency so this is actually working

00:27:57.480 to a segment of maga i think it's worth remembering that uh lots of young men uh their only exposure to

00:28:04.960 anything that's pro-masculine has been andrew tate yes we we are going to talk about that

00:28:10.120 especially towards the end of the segment right so we have here governor ron de santis who says florida

00:28:15.180 is does not welcome andrew and tristan tate after they're flying back from romania and he said that

00:28:22.080 his attorney general james at at maya is looking into what the state hooks and jurisdictions we have to

00:28:28.820 deal with this so basically he said they're no welcome in florida and he got lots of uh he got lots

00:28:35.520 of uh negative reaction towards it by people who were saying they're innocent until proven guilty and

00:28:42.540 they're american citizens and they use the government the governor shouldn't speak against them in such a

00:28:49.720 way right so we have here the attorney general saying earlier this morning i directed my office to work

00:28:56.200 with our state law enforcement partners to conduct a preliminary inquiry into these individuals florida

00:29:02.160 has zero tolerance for human trafficking and violence against women if any of these alleged crimes trigger

00:29:07.940 florida jurisdiction we will hold them accountable see i obviously there's the moral argument which is

00:29:14.860 i don't like how andrew tate makes his money and the things that he's done right sure but i'm also

00:29:20.040 bothered by this he hasn't been convicted of the crime and yet everyone keeps saying it

00:29:24.540 well i'm also bothered by that yes i'm i'm bothered bothered as well because we need to remember that

00:29:30.660 accusations are necessarily true accusations yes anyone can make an accusation about anything

00:29:35.480 people people should remember this but i think this plays into directly what i want to say that

00:29:42.120 this is something that people who have access to evidence should decide and we can't judge in advance

00:29:50.360 we can't judge from from let's say just writing on x it's it doesn't mean that i have a following

00:29:55.780 and i can just be a judge and declare who is guilty and who is innocent whether in favor or whether

00:30:01.600 against it's against a person i think this kind of influencer culture in both camps is not good

00:30:08.760 it's filed by social media right so candace owen says utterly deranged thing for a governor of any state

00:30:15.140 to say american citizens will not be allowed back on america soil pair pair governor on the centers

00:30:21.720 and she says good thing he he is not president right so here is where i want us to focus on because

00:30:29.900 there's a particular discussion on whether one stands towards andrew tate should be a litmus test

00:30:36.660 for conservatives my view is yes i can give you arguments for it i'm i really want to hear what

00:30:42.420 you think but i'll just show you two three people and what they've said and uh say here jerry boring

00:30:50.880 says the way conservatives and conservative organizations respond to andrew tate arriving

00:30:56.360 on u.s soil will tell you everything you need to know about them any organization or host who embraces

00:31:02.060 him is engaged in far worse than simple grift though it is that and andrew tate is the enemy of any

00:31:07.400 traditional american conservatism so that's one view i think it's important to bear in mind that

00:31:15.320 again the moral and the legal case are distinct when we're talking about the legal case i i can't

00:31:22.080 pronounce judgment but i think that when it comes to the moral case i tend to i tend to agree with this

00:31:27.360 view sure i think i think we need to we need to lay out beyond all of the allegations of what happened

00:31:33.200 in romania yes um why exactly yes uh what what of his behavior what of his past what of what how he

00:31:40.640 made his money is it that means that he should not be a conservative icon or influencer for people now

00:31:46.900 for me from what i know because there are lots of videos of him saying as much he made his money

00:31:51.960 primarily through tricking young girls into thinking that they would be his girlfriends and then through

00:31:58.340 series of manipulations would convince them to act as cam girls for for him and he would make money

00:32:05.260 from the cam girl business and sometimes message these men that they were entertaining himself

00:32:11.280 to try and extract more money from them so he was both exploiting uh women in a very very sleazy way

00:32:18.560 and also lonely men and now he has tried to rebrand himself as some kind of right-wing counterculture icon

00:32:26.980 rebel um and the fact that um that he's not called out more for that is pretty bad if you ask me

00:32:35.760 because again whether or not what he did was legal whether or not there's any truth to the allegations

00:32:39.820 from romania there are videos of him and his brother explaining that that is exactly what they did

00:32:45.140 and that's a really bad way to make a business also when when you're a sorry when you're a conservative

00:32:51.920 one of the things that are first in your mind is resistance to moral decay the behavior harry described

00:32:58.900 for me is just the epitome of moral corruption scummy it's scummy yes and it shows it doesn't show

00:33:07.020 any kind of reaction to to hedonistic materialistic culture that you can't say you can make a good

00:33:14.760 argument so the the way the way that i've always looked and you take the source of decay he's the kind of

00:33:19.740 the the the

00:33:21.920 the epitome of the paradigm we're in right yeah so yeah we be as loose as you can be as immoral as you

00:33:29.040 can make as much money as you can and that's the neoliberal liberated sexually free world order we live

00:33:36.260 in and so i view and you take as a kind of inevitability if you if you're like no it's totally

00:33:41.300 fine to be as sexual and whatever as possible and to make as much money as possible someone's going to

00:33:46.960 marry these things together and do this like i the fact that we allow this is it makes an andrew tate

00:33:55.100 inevitable so obviously i'm not saying he's conservative or anything like that but it's just

00:33:59.900 like this is the kind of man you create in an order like that that's what success looks like

00:34:04.580 in that kind of order that's where wealth and fame and status go in this kind of world and it's like

00:34:10.840 okay well you know is there any reason to get angry at tate for that i mean i don't get me wrong like

00:34:15.960 i said like i haven't got any personal like or dislike for him but like you know this is what

00:34:21.820 happens when you have liberalism and rampant well i i don't know if i'd put it in that way but one of

00:34:26.980 the things that he is doing regularly with his rhetoric is that he's objectifying people sure and

00:34:33.140 i think that this is just fundamentally unethical so it's it's not i'm not saying just a litmus test

00:34:40.780 for being a conservative i'd say it's just a litmus test for common human decency sure the way i see

00:34:46.100 it but the hang on now but the thing is we know that there are people in the world who don't care

00:34:51.120 about common human decency yeah just interested in getting ahead the the question i have is why do we

00:34:55.700 make it so accessible for them well that's definitely on like everywhere all the time you know why is it in

00:35:02.020 all the music videos why is it everywhere like we've created a culture that completely endorses

00:35:06.080 everything tate has done and then we stand around and go well i mean he shouldn't have done that it's

00:35:09.480 like but we're all parties maybe this is just me for me the worst part of it is the oversaturation of

00:35:16.540 all of that culture that you've just said has just made it all so boring yeah it's it's made it all so

00:35:21.080 dull that's that's the worst way of escaping it it's also it's also normal now just imagine how many

00:35:28.620 young men and women have been perverted by modern culture and essentially it feels like andrew takes

00:35:33.700 like they want to use them as a bit of a scapegoat for this so how could you have done this in this

00:35:38.180 culture that we all live in and completely endorsed by our actions all day well so would you would you

00:35:42.680 say that in this case people who hide between behind legalisms are evading the the really important

00:35:49.000 question here well it depends on what you mean the important question no okay so my view here is that

00:35:54.720 a lot of the people who are trying to stress the legal case and say innocent but i'm not stressing

00:35:59.860 the no no i'm not i'm not saying you you're doing but i'm just i just want to say that a lot of people

00:36:04.000 who are trying to sell him to a conservative audience they're trying to sell him to the mega base

00:36:08.560 they are evading this fundamental moral moral issue here they're trying to it goes deep in that so look

00:36:14.600 the young republicans in florida aren't conservatives right this is the thing they don't in in your

00:36:22.020 conservative jeremy boring is a conservative because they look at the things andrew tate has

00:36:26.660 done and say well i don't think that's moral the young conservative the young republicans don't do

00:36:30.860 that so they're not conservatives right they are something that has been made that is downstream of

00:36:35.620 the excessive liberal culture in which we live and so like like you were saying oh porn's boring okay

00:36:41.260 great you know but porn shouldn't be boring porn should be forbidden no no no no i no no no i i mean

00:36:47.100 i mean i mean it makes the pervasive sexuality of culture makes sex in and of itself boring and

00:36:52.320 dull and normal yeah yeah and i know as it should be you know exciting and thrilling and mysterious i

00:36:58.380 agree right but you should see the ankle and get a little bit of a heart race i i agree but this is

00:37:04.000 the point so the the young republicans are on the other side of this compared to like you know

00:37:08.940 people who have not spent their entire childhood saturated in what's just a pornographic culture right

00:37:15.060 so they don't see andrew tate as being someone who has violated a bunch of moral boundaries because

00:37:21.320 they are the product of a pervasive pornographic culture they're just like well he's just done

00:37:26.040 normal things he hasn't broken any laws therefore why would i morally condemn him

00:37:30.120 and so it's it's not really about andrew tate it's really a commentary on everyone else well frankly

00:37:36.020 uh and this is not to say anything to condone anything that he has done or said especially if it

00:37:41.380 does turn out that yeah he has committed the crimes he's accused of um as far as our prevailing

00:37:46.960 culture goes and from a leftist perspective in terms of promoting hedonism and overt sexuality his

00:37:54.640 real crime is having done so while being rude boorish and and a gross man about it if he'd been an

00:38:02.360 affirming ally while running his cam girl business the left would have taken him on with open arms

00:38:08.480 and i think it's the overwhelmingly masculine way that he presents himself and his businesses

00:38:13.020 which makes it so that he is appealing to young men who see an entire culture that hates them and just

00:38:18.940 a quick thing as well like like the cardi b wap thing is just such a good example to this because okay

00:38:26.320 yeah andrew tate like essentially lied and coerced maybe uh or you know manipulated a bunch of young

00:38:32.480 women to objectify themselves to make money out of men okay but that's literally all of the music industry

00:38:38.480 that's literally all of it that's diddy oh yeah that's that's diddy that's that's a wap that's

00:38:43.640 that entire like it's it's taking young women and young men and sexualizing them in ways that i don't

00:38:50.520 think they fully understand to millions of people to make money off of them it's exactly the same thing

00:38:55.220 and i think you're exactly right the only thing andrew tate has done wrong from the paradigms point of

00:39:00.060 view is that he's done in a misogynistic way rather than a way that an empowering girl hides behind

00:39:06.640 the the rhetoric of feminism yeah but yeah that's straightforward hypocrisy right so it's not even

00:39:12.620 about the hypocrisy it's it's it's it's kind of just revealing how disgusting our culture is

00:39:18.460 right so i want to share something oran mcintyre uh wrote who i had the pleasure of conversing with

00:39:24.060 on his show he says andrew tate is terrible but turning him into some form of litmus test is a mistake

00:39:30.100 and placed directly into his hands tate only exists because american conservatives have failed

00:39:35.300 so thoroughly at speaking to young men and portraying masculinity in a positive light so i did a daily

00:39:41.340 video today and i said exactly that i didn't see aaron's tweet but i said exactly that but the

00:39:45.760 fact that andrew tate exists as a symbol for men is a failure of modern culture right so i want to say

00:39:51.820 that i fundamentally agree with a with a latter point but i don't think that this implies that there is a

00:39:58.780 kind of dilemma it can you can say i can condemn but also try to understand why it's the same thing

00:40:05.260 with let's say evil in general you can try to understand the temptations of evil while also

00:40:10.460 condemning condemning evil and treating it as a litmus test so i i agree that a lot of people

00:40:16.860 hide behind a sort of rejection of the message of andrew tate and say no no it's disgusting

00:40:23.440 full stop and they don't do the extra work of trying to understand why why it appeals to people

00:40:29.900 and essentially i think that it's it's not particularly difficult to understand why it appeals

00:40:34.460 to people it's first of all young people always being sort of attracted to views that are a bit more

00:40:41.500 you could say appeal more focused on appearance and appear more energetic but also it's just reaction

00:40:48.240 to a feminized culture sure young men are constantly told to be are constantly emasculated yes

00:40:54.780 but this is the this is the problem i think aaron is right that it's playing into his hands here right

00:40:59.240 you if you make andrew take the totem the the the thing that upon which the entire thing pivots

00:41:05.900 well not only do you center him in the discourse about what is actually a much wider issue about society

00:41:10.380 generally um but you essentially scapegoat him hang on by what what we're saying is look at how bad

00:41:18.160 andrew tate is if we condemn him we need to do no further moral introspection which is the entire

00:41:23.380 purpose of the scapegoat and actually no i i don't i i don't feel the need to morally judge andrew tate

00:41:29.580 because from what ground would wider society have that i can say personally i think that's disgusting

00:41:35.640 to do sure but i've still you know i still listen to the radio which has wap playing 24 7 or some

00:41:43.320 equipment you listen to the radio or when you're in the car it's like you know like it's you know

00:41:48.420 when i walk into a shop i can hear that song exercise your authority in the car more well but

00:41:53.240 when i'm walking to a shop i can hear that song playing on the speakers and stuff like this and

00:41:56.600 it's just like insane and it's been this way for my entire adult life well like so it's it like it's

00:42:02.840 going oh andrew tate andrew tate is that andrew tate is not actually the subject of the conversation

00:42:07.280 here yes but i would say that the common denominator here is a culture which in various manifestations

00:42:14.340 it objectifies people and tate is one manifestation in right now the songs you mentioned everyone is

00:42:22.240 n's and b's yeah it's it's also as well listen i so i think aaron's right about like look you're

00:42:27.400 making him too important and to to put my own perspective on what he's saying at the end there

00:42:32.760 portraying masculinity in a positive light uh if i were a younger man uh where culture basically

00:42:39.280 just wants man i'm i'm an old man now i'm an old zoomer uh where basically society has been telling

00:42:45.880 you for your entire life that what you really your ideal figure is the gay best friend yeah no that's

00:42:51.440 that's what you need to be you need to be the gay best friend what does what does andrew tate despite

00:42:55.900 all of his flaws present himself as being a cool doesn't give an f guy who has fast cars and has

00:43:04.180 muscles and does whatever he wants and is rich what what are you going to want to be you want to be the

00:43:09.640 gay best friend or you want to be that you're going to go well any day give me cars give me muscles give

00:43:14.800 me women if being degenerate is the way to get that they'll do it but the point the point is that

00:43:19.660 you don't it's not an either or and i know it's it's an issue of finding good role models for young

00:43:25.740 people and fundamentally i think it's not an issue of just finding one role model and say okay look at

00:43:30.960 it's not tate it's just another one it has to be all exactly the problem is all over the place is

00:43:37.380 hyper feminized hyper sexualized utterly degenerate culture well yeah and i think we should we should

00:43:43.940 point it out and if we're if we we care about it we should say that i know i'll say it i'll say it

00:43:49.900 yeah but like pointing out like everyone everyone can see it they don't need it pointed out to them

00:43:55.100 well yeah but the point is that these people who are saying don't give oxygen and don't

00:43:59.300 they don't seem to be doing anything about it but it's everywhere it's promoted it's

00:44:03.400 it's it's something that would have to have like essentially state intervention against

00:44:08.520 which obviously is something we can't do so you know right and i'll just end with uh with a final

00:44:15.600 point that um there are some people who say that there shouldn't be litmus tests but there are always

00:44:20.700 litmus tests there are always people who are trying to judge um and discern between let's say the actual

00:44:27.900 and the apparent people within a within a particular camp and i think that this is this is how it always

00:44:34.320 has been and to a degree it's good and there are a lot of people who it's not an issue of whether

00:44:40.040 litmus tests are going to be used but which litmus tests are going to be used some people are saying

00:44:44.820 for instance if you disagree with the trump administration you're no true conservative i

00:44:48.480 think that's a wrong litmus that's silly that's silly yeah okay um scott uh says this is something

00:44:56.360 that drives me nuts as pointed out by harry you can literally find videos of him describing what he did

00:45:00.340 and what he's and what he's accused of and to top it off he just ran a crypto scam on his fans

00:45:04.220 and they're all running crypto scams on their fans recently also yeah it's not just that they're

00:45:08.560 videos let's see to bitcoin i don't know how he had a he had like an online course to teach you to do

00:45:15.680 it as well oh yeah he was like oh do you want to do you want to manipulate women who think that

00:45:20.520 they're your girlfriend into being a porn star for you uh sign up for my course literally be a

00:45:26.880 that's gonna get clipped now yeah literally just become someone who produces music videos and then

00:45:34.140 you're doing the same job like this is pretty much this is the thing i like i'm so tired of andrew

00:45:39.780 tate being like the very center of the discourse it's actually not really about him but anyway let's

00:45:43.940 let's move on something a bit more jolly because it's nice to have some wins right um so recently in

00:45:49.840 england there has been a giant battle over the concept of english identity and this uh manifested

00:45:56.180 recently because constantin kissin and fraser nelson of the spectator uh had a discussion about

00:46:01.980 rishi sunak is he an englishman and you got posts like this i don't think i've ever seen a politician

00:46:08.280 looking more english than this to be quite honest now in a way there is something about that that i

00:46:14.680 can understand where he said what he's saying right so he's dressed as an englishman in the

00:46:18.620 traditional english garb of a suit and he's standing in the rain getting wet and this was when he was

00:46:23.100 announcing his resignation from the position of prime minister that no one voted him for and yeah

00:46:28.860 there is a kind of englishness about this that's true but it is an aesthetic i i hate this i hate i

00:46:36.420 hate this attitude i hate this image i hate this idea that rishi sunak somehow looks english there was a

00:46:42.800 like last year a push to try and get people to say that his face was a bit english and the way he held

00:46:48.700 himself was english i mean he's right that doesn't that doesn't matter exactly it doesn't matter that

00:46:54.020 doesn't matter i could put a dress and makeup on i'm not a woman even if i learn to hold myself in

00:46:59.480 like a feminine way or something hosie parker screeching across the room well no she would agree

00:47:04.800 with me it wouldn't make me a woman right so the idea that it's a skin suit identity that you can just

00:47:09.960 take on by affecting the mannerisms and besides i don't think this is what englishness is about

00:47:14.820 right and if it is that's sad yeah englishness is not about just being in the rain and looking a bit

00:47:21.080 sad okay that's an insult common feature of that's an insult to our national identity englishness is

00:47:28.620 innovation it's restlessness it's looking at the edges of the map and saying what goes beyond those

00:47:34.740 it's going into foreign cultures and seducing the women that's what englishness is about all right

00:47:41.800 it's nothing different it's action and adventure we've got culture we're not just sad twats in

00:47:46.640 suits all right it's it's except for right now it's very it's very similar to when justin trudeau

00:47:52.020 goes over to india and he dresses up as an indian you can say oh i've never seen anyone looking more

00:47:55.720 indian than this well yeah they're wearing the trappings of the culture so yeah they look like

00:48:00.160 they're from the culture but there's a reason for example that india was thrilled with rishi

00:48:05.800 sannak being the prime minister and this is just like you just got these i mean this is the sort of

00:48:11.140 ex-india company set to run britain oh really why were they so bothered that an englishman was

00:48:16.720 becoming the prime minister of britain why were they so excited celebrating why were there so many

00:48:21.020 clips from indians saying our empire strikes back yeah no it's literally this entire article is just

00:48:26.400 them talking about like how indian press were going wild because an englishman took over as prime

00:48:32.660 minister in england and the answer is of course no because they know he's an indian they recognize him

00:48:37.560 as an indian he knows he's indian he knows he's indian that's why he celebrates dil wali in number

00:48:41.880 10 his name is sunak like it's it's fine for us to say look rishi sunak is an indian man who was born

00:48:49.240 and raised in england which is why he is wearing the trappings of english culture but he personally

00:48:54.380 identifies himself as an indian and he knows he's an indian indians know he's an indian we know he's an

00:48:58.840 indian that's fine yeah well there's the controversy in that except except for liberals and globalists

00:49:05.580 who want to deracinate people by separating them from their cultural identity and heritage every

00:49:10.860 people yeah not not every no no i find palestinians are certainly palestinian and you're not one mr

00:49:17.660 israeli yeah there's very very hard boundary there i find all this discussion ridiculous i'm sure you

00:49:25.260 do okay i'll let you do yours unfortunately uh we are having a massive identity crisis in england

00:49:33.180 yeah i don't imagine the greeks have much of an identity crisis do they i wouldn't say so

00:49:37.380 doesn't mean you've got the turks right there we're desperately trying to it's not just that i mean it's

00:49:42.060 it's so easy to it's so easy to think about it yeah there's the ethnic dimension there's the cultural

00:49:47.680 dimension there's the civic dimension historical inheritance dimension i mean yeah so where's the

00:49:53.360 problem and we should we should be exactly in the same position as the greeks actually you know

00:49:57.000 we've got like a long and impressive heritage why are we even having this conversation well the answer

00:50:01.820 is of course shit libs um so this is the new statesman i just want to i just want to read a

00:50:09.500 quick quote from this i mean look at the title of course rishi sunak is english in his comments just

00:50:14.060 look at all his anglo-saxan heritage and ancestry oh wait just look at how india was celebrating

00:50:18.900 uh his comment in his comments on english identity constant kissin was giving a voice to a racial

00:50:23.280 essentialism which is dangerously prominent on the right so f nat constantin kissing has entered

00:50:28.460 the chat as as but he's not wrong right he's like you know constant was like he's a brown hindu which

00:50:35.500 is a totally true statement and this is pointing out the obvious yes and this kind of biological or

00:50:41.080 as they put it racial essentialism well unfortunately and i hate to tell you this but we are corporeal

00:50:46.100 beings who reproduce through literally relationships that produce children so through heredity right so

00:50:53.720 that means that we exist in the real world first before we are our identities well it's so it's so

00:51:01.780 weird because they they treat the the libdo you mentioned they they treat the the character of

00:51:08.940 englishness as just a card that you give to people so they feel included that's exactly that in doing so

00:51:15.060 they're for instance offending the the other identities so what's the problem with saying

00:51:20.040 that for instance rishi suna comes from india can i become a greek man depends what you mean

00:51:27.200 well can i become a greek man let's discuss neither of my parents neither of my parents gonna give me a

00:51:33.740 raise what you want is that all i need is it like he has a few trials and they just involve giving him

00:51:40.400 a lot of money well i mean this is a very meditative you can't become ethnically greek of course i can't

00:51:48.780 become ethnically english of course not and it's it's a matter of fact we could be we could talk about

00:51:53.680 cultural continuities yeah sure i mean if i were to move to greece i'd be very happy to endorse and

00:51:59.520 throw myself into greek culture but i wouldn't love it you'd like slovakia i love slovakia i love

00:52:04.200 i could never do it i'm sorry i'm terrible with seafood cultures no no greek's not seafood culture

00:52:09.620 is it the sea i definitely wouldn't you do have seafood but greek has a lot of just pork and chicken

00:52:15.800 and lamb come on you can't see fish and chips come on anyway anyway i have i have cheese and gravy

00:52:22.940 getting off topic so uh as you can see this this embodies and embifies the uh the entire sort of

00:52:31.700 lib perspective on this which is how dare you suggest that people exist in the world people are

00:52:39.340 just floating consciousnesses and if they happen to coincidentally connect to the same ethnic heritage

00:52:45.520 as their parents which they all do all the time and have since the dawn of time that is just a

00:52:51.480 coincidence and you can take nothing from it and it was just accidental in every single case and so

00:52:57.320 they say this right say nationhoods have always changed or else they become redundant and all

00:53:02.700 identities have some notion of exclusivity okay what does redundant mean in that sense okay you've been

00:53:08.120 you've been english but you've been english for a bit too long a bit redundant now yeah something new

00:53:12.500 yeah exactly right is you can feel the language of modernism in this right uh that is the mechanism

00:53:17.880 through which they distinguish one group from another the notion of exclusivity but if we're

00:53:21.640 at the stage that despite being born and raised and socialized in england all his life speaking english

00:53:26.440 as his native native tongue with a cheerfully uh wiker wikamist accent rishi sunak isn't english then we

00:53:34.780 have left even a civic form of nationalism behind and this is an impoverishment of englishness and a

00:53:41.240 betrayal of the mechanisms by which this country has grown up and grown old like the civic conception of

00:53:47.880 englishness is about 20 minutes old right can i can i can i be a citizen for all of these kinds of

00:53:55.120 arguments about nationhood changing and the fact all of these different things while you're born and

00:53:59.820 raised in this particular place may i always just present yugoslavia yeah yugoslavia guess what you

00:54:06.060 could have been born and raised in yugoslavia but you still belong to a very specific ethnic group

00:54:10.880 and the second that the borders fell holding that whole place together it erupted into ethnic conflict

00:54:17.700 and that's not necessarily what happens over in the west that's a very very balkan approach to

00:54:23.080 conflict resolution but rishi sunak wouldn't lord his indian heritage if he didn't have it we know and

00:54:29.360 it's fine to say he's an anglicized indian man because he's grown up in england but he knows he's

00:54:34.360 not english we know he's not english and this is the essentially the the linchpin upon which all of the

00:54:41.420 left-wing libby like globalist lib thinking hinges and you can see that they've got well if we're

00:54:47.120 leaving even that behind them we're being impoverished well then you'd be impoverished

00:54:50.100 because we're leaving that behind us it's not what it is to be english i think that this is

00:54:53.660 fundamentally an americanism and i don't say it pejoratively because also in the u.s in the u.s

00:54:59.800 there's a different historical setting that led to the american identity but european identity is

00:55:07.160 different let me get to that in a minute you still have hyphenated americans the irish americans still

00:55:11.680 see themselves as very very irish in a minute if that's all right um so anyway the point being this

00:55:16.640 is this is the um the flimsy sort of thread by which the globalist conception of identity is hanging

00:55:24.440 it's just an aesthetic that is born out of nothing for some reason who knows why the english are those

00:55:29.040 they are but anyone can be english for any reason at any time and you can just identify english not

00:55:33.380 english english not english just flip between if you want right that's as far

00:55:37.140 as they're concerned how it works now we've spoken about this on lads hour last week and this was

00:55:42.200 revelatory this absolutely revelatory so we were looking at the politics joe podcast which again

00:55:47.800 another shitload podcast talking about this and they have this in the top of their mind and of course

00:55:54.020 the first thing they want to do is call you a racist but once that's been done they realize oh no we are

00:55:59.680 english we are the inheritors of a long and ancient and noble tradition and actually where's our

00:56:03.900 parliament and things like this right so actually even even the these people are well aware no this

00:56:10.320 is an inheritance this is something physical this is in you it is something that you carry with you

00:56:14.720 and it is as you said a fact and it's not something you can just change uh go and watch that by the way

00:56:20.420 it was really really fun and really again really eye-opening once you get past their innate ideological

00:56:25.780 defenses you get to see what they really think and it's it's actually really good anyway so swell a braveman

00:56:30.960 then uh chimed in recently and it's what it's nice to see that like the westminster bubble is

00:56:35.340 downstream of us on this conversation conversation we've been talking about this for well probably a

00:56:40.200 year or two now uh and this is this has been important because we've been well aware that actually

00:56:45.520 in england the question of who is english is the most important one and we seem to be winning this

00:56:49.600 battle and so swallow it came on on the right side of the issue she says i'm a proud british asian and

00:56:55.800 of course i'm not english i never thought that was contentious but then i saw this exchange between

00:57:00.380 phrasing phrasing and constant kissing and realized too many people are nervous about

00:57:04.140 asserting english identity for what it is ethnic racial and based on ancestry if we can't even

00:57:09.560 agree who the english are how on earth are we ever going to defend the culture and values of this

00:57:13.440 country great question surprisingly based for a conservative you don't think harry uh i i did a

00:57:22.340 daily video talking about this but i'm still going to say my defense uh first and foremost is uh the

00:57:28.180 people of this country from whom the culture and values are down uh originate um and also for me

00:57:35.940 british i understand because of the empire that we expanded out because that's what empires do they

00:57:40.740 expand our identities to be more inclusive to the people that they end up colonizing but still to me

00:57:45.240 british means welsh scottish english so that's just quibbles on my part it's fine but to be clear

00:57:52.820 british has two dimensions a civic and a kind of cultural yeah um because it's not ethnic um but

00:58:01.880 it has a civic and cultural dimension the civic dimension is what she's appealing to here obviously

00:58:05.980 yes saying you know civically and she's probably bought uh brought up in britain as well so maybe

00:58:11.820 even culturally but the the point is you are right i mean you can you can look back at the sort of spread

00:58:16.300 of the roman identity which is really interesting so initially it's literally rome then it's latium

00:58:20.960 then it's italy then it's you know i think it was caracalla who extend extended it to every free

00:58:26.360 man in the empire which means everyone in the mediterranean is a roman now and so it's just like

00:58:31.120 you can and the same thing happened when the empire collapses yeah and then the then what a surprise

00:58:36.300 and then you end up with a country called romania right and it's like nowhere near italy but it's

00:58:42.200 we're the real romans swear exactly right and the same thing is happening with the british identity

00:58:47.580 uh where yeah okay begins in like you know britain expands outwards and now there are lots of people

00:58:54.180 who don't have an ancestral connection to the country who are like i'm british right because

00:58:59.100 it's the way that civic identities work uh but she's completely right say look i'm not english

00:59:03.760 obviously and uh she goes she expands on this in the article uh and it goes pretty hard right on

00:59:12.940 fraser nelson actually which is uh pretty good actually i think um she says in fraser's world

00:59:19.260 all it takes to join the tribe is a plane ticket and a birth certificate this reduction of identity

00:59:23.640 to mere geography explains why we see clashes on our streets between hindus and muslims over

00:59:28.020 conflicts thousands of miles away and it's true and she's like look i don't feel english because i

00:59:32.380 have no generational ties to english soil no ancestral stories tied to the villages and towns on this land

00:59:36.400 my heritage with its rich cultural racial identity is something distinct i'm a british asian

00:59:41.280 but i feel a deep love and gratitude and i and i feel a deep love and gratitude in order to the

00:59:45.400 country but i cannot claim to be english nor should i this is not exclusionary it's honest and it's what

00:59:50.580 living in a multi-ethnic society entails and that's a great start to get us on the road to actually

00:59:55.700 understanding the problem because i think as you were saying uh stelios this is essentially the

01:00:02.480 americanization of europe because i posted this because this is essentially what it boils down to

01:00:09.220 the americans are named after a geographic land mass the someone called amaringo or something like

01:00:16.100 that discovered america and was it america vespucci or oh i can't remember who knows right who cares

01:00:21.640 right but the point is at some point in the 17th century or 15th century 16th century uh some you

01:00:27.300 know spanish explorer discovered a piece of land west of europe and it got his name attached to it and

01:00:34.980 then people moved there and then they they adopted that landmass's name as their own that's not how

01:00:40.660 it works in europe that's not how it works in the old world england is named after the english as in

01:00:46.300 the people preceded the land and gave their name to the land not the other way around and so we do not

01:00:53.000 need to say stupid things like iran jones is saying for example oh if you were born in england or grew up in

01:00:59.340 england you're an you're an englishman it's like no that's not how that works actually because being

01:01:04.380 english was about the people and not the place for example um if we if we move to you know papua new

01:01:11.340 guinea or something then we will make that england because we are the english and we will not be papua

01:01:16.700 new guineans because we're not papua new guineans and the same with the greeks i mean the athenians did

01:01:21.200 this actually when they the the persians invaded they had to ex um evacuate all of athens uh to

01:01:28.600 what was the salamis salamis that's right uh they didn't stop being athenians because they're on

01:01:34.040 the run they were still the athenians and they will be the athenians wherever they go and it's

01:01:38.520 the same for us it's not the other round and so anyway yeah you got uh amazing responses which

01:01:44.200 i mean this was so great swell braveman i'm i'm an indian and owen jones is just like don't be

01:01:49.820 ridiculous you're english owen you don't get to do that from the from the team that bought you you can

01:01:57.500 identify as a woman if you want uh is you are definitely this because you were born here and

01:02:02.440 this is the same point that fraser nelson has been making and various other people like christopher

01:02:06.520 snowden it's like no if if you the are you saying these footballers who play for england aren't

01:02:11.800 english what like jarell quansar yeah i'm saying he's not english are you saying that economic migrants

01:02:20.020 uh who are going to come over and play for a team that will pay them the most don't immediately become

01:02:25.160 the nationality that they're playing for yeah yeah it's pretty simple why would i think this

01:02:30.500 guy's english do you think he thinks he's english like what about angel gomez does he think he's

01:02:36.880 english gomez is a particularly english surname just as english as you and me looks english sounds

01:02:42.780 english nonny wears his hair in a traditional english style sorry this guy isn't english and nobody

01:02:49.000 thinks he's english they're mercenaries who play for our football teams we pay them money

01:02:52.720 that's just how this works dominic solanke so the average englishman is it come on you guys are

01:02:59.000 preposterous and the thing is you are losing the argument and so then we start getting the what are

01:03:04.660 now customary traditional attempts to destroy the nature of what the english identity is so yeah one

01:03:11.240 thing that people don't pick up on is that when ethnicities are combined in in the in describing

01:03:19.980 someone so for instance sometimes they say it's a an indian english person or indian british

01:03:27.880 they're not explicit with respect to what they're combining because they could mean for instance that

01:03:34.240 different parents one english parent and one indian parent or they could mean for instance an english

01:03:39.980 citizen from india and that's something fundamental it's fundamentally ambiguous and it's just ripe for

01:03:47.460 misunderstanding but it's something people could just point out and say that you know yeah they

01:03:54.360 need to they need to actually qualify what they mean by it because uh the post-modern conceptions of

01:03:58.880 these things thrive off of very ambiguous definitions that can be molded into anything it's not just that

01:04:05.600 it's that in previous eras we never needed a hard definition of these things either right there's no

01:04:10.760 englishman still recognized himself as an englishman no no i know but you you didn't have to spend a huge

01:04:15.940 amount of time thinking about this because there wasn't like you know lots of foreign people in

01:04:20.540 england who were i i think i think more i'm thinking more when we went abroad and you had you had

01:04:26.180 cecil rhodes for instance he damn well knew what an englishman was he did anyway so let's uh let's

01:04:31.800 carry on so owen jones was someone's like why is england called england owen and owen jones explains

01:04:37.200 why england is called england because the angleson which is an old english word for the anglo-saxon

01:04:44.720 tribes got like over the the long process of more than a thousand years just the the language developed

01:04:52.300 to to sound the word english rather than angleson and so that's literally yes we we agree we are a

01:05:00.420 collection of germanic tribes because i love that i'm a single ethnicity you're not going to like the

01:05:04.420 answer oh and i already knew this yeah but that's what's wrong with that answer i already knew that

01:05:08.660 well i suggested that he was doing the thing why the thing they always do which is the well your

01:05:16.680 ancestors were immigrants who were of european tribes that were basically indistinguishable from

01:05:21.500 the other tribes that were around them therefore open your doors to syria he's trying to unbake the

01:05:26.740 cake it's like what what cake is that oh it's not a chocolate cake why well the flour came from this

01:05:31.360 cupboard there's some eggs in there eggs came from the fridge you know this is not a chocolate cake

01:05:36.680 and it's like oh okay then i guess i won't enjoy it you know what are you doing owen there's nothing

01:05:41.220 wrong with this answer i really can't imagine owen jones reading tacitus no of course be fair though

01:05:46.900 he is as he revealed in the replies a subversive welshman so we can't expect any left owen jones yeah

01:05:54.360 we could have guessed that but anyway so then he's like well so swallowing claiming to be english here

01:05:59.740 no she wasn't claiming to be english here right what she was being is a a representative a

01:06:04.640 substantive representative in the hannah pitkin sense of what this is so he's just flailing he's

01:06:10.240 just desperate like no no you have to be english it's like why does she have to be english

01:06:14.280 where does she where does she say that she's english she doesn't right he's trying to make

01:06:19.060 it that she says but she doesn't right but why does she have to be you know it's okay we don't

01:06:23.660 hate swell a brave man because she's not english owen we're not going to kick her out of the country

01:06:27.500 because she's not english which is the thing that you seem to think that everyone's thinking right

01:06:31.920 and so the thing carried on with humza yusuf humza yusuf because and everyone's like hang on a second

01:06:37.420 is humza yusuf scottish and phrasing nelson's like no no one yes sorry no one would seriously

01:06:43.500 say humza yusuf is not really scottish it's an inclusive identity there are two definitions

01:06:48.620 according to whom according to phrasing nelson right there are two definitions ethnic and civic

01:06:52.980 the same is true for englishness now let's stop there there is no civic identity of englishness

01:06:56.740 englishness england english is an ethnic identity there's no there's nothing you can get on a piece

01:07:02.660 of paper that gives you like a little certificate you have english civic identity well if it's if it's

01:07:07.880 both ethnic which is based on uh heritage and ancestry and civic which is based on

01:07:13.420 legal status legal norms uh well then it can't be both at the same time so it's nothing again as

01:07:22.720 as with as with all of these kinds of definitional discussions the end point is to reduce it to

01:07:29.240 nothing which is what he does in the second sentence where he says oh it's a free country

01:07:34.360 no one's obliged to call themselves why do you even care bro why are we even having this conversation

01:07:38.800 nothing means he literally says not sure why the battle's still raging no one nothing means

01:07:43.640 anything so why do we care but interestingly there's no mention of the cultural yeah no

01:07:49.200 maybe he conflates it with civic which maybe there's a lot yeah it does but then he he follows up and

01:07:56.600 goes oh hang on a second i should have said that no one using their real name would say humza yusuf is

01:08:01.080 not really scottish and for good reason they'd be embarrassed to defend that position in front of

01:08:05.340 their friends ethno nationalism sits ill with the culture of this country let's have a look at the

01:08:09.820 replies to this shall we everybody everybody oh the first one is bo bo dade his real name

01:08:18.240 humza yusuf is not really scottish fraser he is a pakistani man but the thing is right

01:08:22.320 both profile is perfect for this kind of response as well as picture it is and this kind of ratio as

01:08:27.340 well like i threw one out as well josh threw one in there everyone just there's josh just shut up

01:08:34.780 fraser you know like like we are quite happy to tell you that obviously humza yusuf is not scottish

01:08:41.720 and the reason i know so i have defended this kind of position in front of friends before and most

01:08:46.980 most of the time after about five minutes it's really really easy to make them go yeah you know

01:08:51.660 what that's fair enough you're right the thing is though the person i would go to to identify whether

01:08:57.400 humza yusuf is scottish or not is humza yusuf i'm very proud of being the first scottish pakistani

01:09:03.100 to become first minister of scottland so i am a son of the soil there in pakistan

01:09:07.640 the son of the soil of pakistan he's a blood and soil nationalist for pakistan exactly exactly

01:09:15.020 fraser so this is that evil ethno-nationalism you were talking about just coming out of the mouth

01:09:18.700 of humza yusuf and uh this is just your position totally destroyed it's funny again because you can

01:09:26.080 see how they uh they switch their rhetoric they switch work because last year when the protests

01:09:32.800 and riots were happening all of a sudden humza yusuf was saying on camera you know i might move

01:09:40.200 but also i'm as scottish as they come cut me and i bleed scottish blood and i suggested you know well

01:09:45.680 you don't need to that that would be barbaric that would be awful you can just take a 23 and me test

01:09:51.080 and we'll find out just how scottish you are humza but he knows he's not and that's fine it's okay

01:09:56.160 well he knows he's not but he's willing to say it if it means that he thinks he can get something

01:10:00.860 out of it but this is the point i don't want to live a lie i know scott humza yusuf is a pakistan

01:10:04.260 man he knows this why is fraser nelson committed to this because they're liars because fraser nelson's

01:10:10.640 an idiot and also because a lot of these establishment journalists and voices whatever the the role

01:10:17.240 is they only have a problem with european ethnicity yeah that's a good point but they never they're

01:10:24.080 never trying to deconstruct indian identity or anything like that but then you get like again

01:10:27.940 just people like dan hodgers here he's like right okay i seem to have worked it out what the the right

01:10:33.120 is saying if you're born in england live in england identify as english but are black or brown you're not

01:10:38.200 english but if you're born outside of england have never set foot in england but identify as english

01:10:42.680 and are white you are and it's like dan it's about your heritage you inherit your ethnic identity

01:10:49.580 you can't disinherit it and you can't choose someone else's it is an immutable fact about you

01:10:55.520 and that's your problem with this isn't it the problem that you have is that it doesn't get to

01:11:00.680 be changed yes dan we are physical beings who have things happen to us before we're even born

01:11:06.780 and we are given these things and we don't get to change them that's what this is on this point that

01:11:12.140 he's got here elon musk is english but rishi sunak isn't if elon musk is honest in saying that the

01:11:17.480 vast majority of his ancestry is english yeah that's correct yeah and i love dan i'm not entirely sure

01:11:24.400 how to process this stuff anymore and so i just replied but why do dogs give birth to puppies not

01:11:28.260 kittens you know like it's literally you inherit this from your parents dan you you know that you're

01:11:34.940 lying you know that you've lost this argument and they've just retreated to i can't even possibly

01:11:39.660 begin to understand what anyone is saying well nonsense and we can actually appeal to stupidity

01:11:46.280 the last resort of the shit lib yeah dan hodges well i'm just too retarded to understand i can't

01:11:51.000 understand because i've got brain damage actually well if you want to understand go and get the

01:11:54.980 latest copy of islander because in this i'm discussing exactly that right so my uh this my essay

01:12:02.900 is an essay about the earth stepper the wanderer the old anglo-saxon poem beautifully rendered isn't it

01:12:08.360 about the dispossession of the english during the viking invasions and i got a new translation of

01:12:13.440 it and i've got a nice long essay next to it describing and explaining what i think is the

01:12:18.560 important thing in it uh because this is the question of our time and i've been having this for

01:12:22.680 ages it matters right this matters we have to be able to self-identify in opposition to other

01:12:28.600 peoples and so yeah go and get this it's only gonna be around for like three more weeks or something

01:12:32.560 uh it won't be reprinted again and i promise you you'll miss it if you don't get it so let's go to

01:12:38.640 the video comments in the meantime mason says genuine question how long did the vikings or normans

01:12:48.440 take to become english roughly four generations of interbreeding possibly need to remove any direct

01:12:53.500 memories of an ethnic relative uh hundreds of years actually yeah um henry v was the first english

01:13:00.040 speaking king from after the norman conquest so 400 years so it takes a long time yeah i mean in

01:13:06.340 in the defense of the normans they were the ruling class of a conquered people so whereas the the

01:13:12.220 vikings were just invaders yeah and we conquered them so they were forced to assimilate but uh anyway

01:13:17.640 let's let's go to the video comments

01:13:19.120 i love going back over old tv shows adapting crime novels the adaptations of the 1980s had people

01:13:29.900 who still remembered the times involved and so they were more reliable making this scene from

01:13:34.460 miss marple's a murder is announced particularly poignant

01:13:37.520 you see in the old days everyone knew each other and if someone new came to the village

01:13:46.080 then they brought letters of introduction they'd either been in the same regiment or the same ship

01:13:51.440 that does look very cozy yeah this is literally a country that no longer exists

01:13:58.880 let's go to the next one

01:14:01.040 it's the same one or is that the we only have one

01:14:08.720 i assume i only had one uh omar says uh whatever trump is doing he's not one state idol i can only

01:14:16.480 hope any nothing burgers are a smoke screen to get more of what he wants for the american people

01:14:20.620 he has four years to seek justice so allow him like little extra rope to hang his enemies

01:14:23.940 i guess we'll see but i'm genuinely bothered this is uh being so mishandled

01:14:30.740 someone online says the fbi has long since destroyed the files so this has always been

01:14:35.400 something i've been uh curious about is like why wouldn't the fbi just get rid of them

01:14:40.720 like who's gonna say yeah you know again of the files that i expect that we get i expected them to be

01:14:47.220 as people are saying just entire pages of completely redacted information just black line after black line

01:14:53.440 after black line yeah it may as well not exist yeah and if no use and if patel has seen the

01:14:59.180 unredacted files okay then get them out there just just get them out there or find some way of

01:15:05.380 getting the information out there give do a press conference where you just say here are all the

01:15:09.940 most important parts from it who he was working for why he was working for them how he made his

01:15:15.740 money how he made his connections here are the people that he had on his lists that we are going to be

01:15:20.400 putting federal charges against that's all we're looking for from this really the main details

01:15:26.940 and actual justice to come from it yeah i'm not looking for another clown show to take six months

01:15:34.700 of the media cycles time and to be forgotten about and it's really not we're not asking for anything

01:15:39.880 that's even vaguely complex morally either no obviously the right thing to do so yeah i'm not

01:15:46.560 particularly optimistic i don't think we're gonna ever learn and maybe if there is too much pressure

01:15:51.860 maybe they will just speak about one or two people that's what i think yeah that's i'm worried

01:15:59.680 about that as well there'll be like the symbolic oh this one guy is going to jail and then literally

01:16:04.120 there'll be hundreds of others we got him guys and it's just kevin yeah well just just kevin

01:16:10.040 spacey by himself remember he got acquitted so i know i know he managed to get acquitted on the

01:16:14.940 charges that were brought against him yeah and then the other you know and then tucker carlson was

01:16:19.520 like come on my show bro which was very strange i like tucker but that was that was a weird decision

01:16:25.040 weird number of unexpected deaths of the accusers okay yeah i turns out it was all roman polanski all

01:16:33.920 along but we already knew he was a nonce yeah exactly that's not new anyway maria says regarding

01:16:39.280 the epstein files it's going to take some time to separate the wheat from the chaff not everyone on

01:16:43.000 his guest list is going to have been uh wrongans that is said it will act as an indicator and provide

01:16:48.040 evidence to those in the deep state particularly those who are shredding and delaying file release

01:16:51.820 to both patel and bondi in uh this case may this may in some cases be more more useful than the actual

01:16:58.680 files not to mention any of the wrongans will be running scared and turning on each other

01:17:01.480 i mean that that that optimistically yes but that i can agree with if it was just that if the only

01:17:08.160 news was to do with all of this going on was that uh certain branches of the fbi are refusing to give

01:17:13.900 over details and information well of course i would expect that but then it's also getting the social

01:17:19.360 media influencer photo op the rick rolling as well giving them nothing substantive yeah it's some

01:17:26.540 unredacted stuff if you want like but like we know if you cash patel has implied that he knows the

01:17:32.360 names of the people involved name them let's get the name if you're gonna if you the whole point is

01:17:37.400 to release the information in the first place what's the point in waiting yeah just tweet yeah this guy

01:17:43.320 this guy this guy this guy and this guy they're all friends with him they will traffic kids to each

01:17:46.920 other like and says one thing is interesting about the epstein files that pan bondi was the

01:17:52.240 attorney general of florida when jeffrey epstein was originally convicted and now she's screwing up

01:17:56.240 the release of the files coincidence um well potentially maybe not because i mean it's been

01:18:03.520 years since then and is it necessarily her screwing up the release of the files or is it just in

01:18:08.600 other insiders and the fbi trying to block her yeah i mean it's all too opaque for us we can't say

01:18:14.220 but um but it's just atrocious i agree with andrew narog here saying jim jordan should be

01:18:19.780 officially reprimanded for belittling the serious matter yeah what the hell was that what was going

01:18:26.420 on there oh i know what people want out of the epstein stuff rick rolled because the whole thing

01:18:31.640 because epstein didn't kill himself was a meme to begin with so let's keep it meme-y bros

01:18:36.220 now we do we do have some more rumble rants oh sorry if you want to go through oh yeah yeah so uh

01:18:43.360 amandine 512 i'm born and raised in the united states and i'm more british than a lot of

01:18:47.140 politicians in the uk my direct ancestors are the hoits and maddox oh interesting engaged few well

01:18:52.660 since the topmost part of the appalachian mountain range is the scottish highlands does that make me

01:18:56.480 scottish all the way here in west virginia well i mean uh i mean depends on your ancestry doesn't it

01:19:02.780 hapsification the new civic identity should be called ukadian that's good yeah that's not bad but

01:19:08.200 also i'm not going to submit to die uk uh bobo bad when i saw sunak squatting next to big ben

01:19:15.740 holding his curry chips and buttered fish i knew i saw a paragon of a proper englishman uh someone's

01:19:22.400 asked me a question uh would you say metalcore counts as metal uh yes uh i mean there's two

01:19:29.260 there's two types if it's more converged then it's more like hardcore if it's more melodic like

01:19:33.480 trivium then yeah it's metal bobobad uh says i think one of the reasons tate became a muslim is

01:19:39.080 it adds to the dominance narrative it's a conquering culture that has morals even if twisted i think he

01:19:46.140 did it because he's brown and smoky bongo says harry you forgot nothing ever happens that's a good

01:19:52.340 point yeah russian garbage human says i don't like tate but i enjoy the way he makes secondary schools

01:19:56.700 panic over his popularity and go into massive damage control to defame him yeah now i i'm i quite like

01:20:02.060 this aspect of andrew tate as well um the fact that they are so worried about his influence

01:20:07.240 uh means that i mean you would think they would have some sort of conversation with a conservative

01:20:13.560 who is not actually a pornographer or a pimp right you'd think they would get some i mean there must be

01:20:18.560 someone on the right who embodies masculinity without being degenerate well yeah but the point is you name

01:20:27.140 anyone i don't follow these these you know the bodybuilding influencers and all that i don't

01:20:33.120 follow any of that and i'm not yet a bodybuilding influencer right right so there we go i'll get

01:20:37.760 there eventually so the answer is actually no right okay stelios you're gonna have to take up the mantle

01:20:41.740 i'm afraid so you're gonna have to show off your rippling abs jennavi says uh stelios i really

01:20:48.320 appreciate you condemning the tates and calling it conservatives that are platforming and supporting

01:20:51.580 him coughed tucker carlson candace owens i i agree that extreme liberalism and feminism contributed to

01:20:57.480 the rise of the tates young men gravitated towards them because they were constantly told they were

01:21:01.080 toxic but that doesn't mean the stuff they get from the tates is any good uh in fact it's more

01:21:05.080 important than ever and we condemn tate and and direct young voice towards people like jordan

01:21:09.060 peace and chris williamson the thing is chris williamson he's actually i don't know why he didn't

01:21:13.120 come to my mind sorry chris yeah um it's it's the thing is that you can't direct them to these

01:21:19.660 things like people find these things attractive because of the situations that they're in yes but

01:21:25.240 i i i'm just a simple man in my thinking i think conservatives should care about moral decay yeah

01:21:32.380 and when people express moral degeneracy they should be condemned but the thing is and a lot of people

01:21:38.280 don't want to condemn them because they they just want to have the the their audience by their side

01:21:43.780 sure the thing is like andrew tate is not the author of the moral degeneracy of our culture no

01:21:50.640 he's not right he's downstream of the moral degeneracy and so actually we'd have to be like

01:21:54.600 oh hollywood you're the problem oh the music industry you're the problem i have no problem

01:21:58.800 with condemning yeah but we're not we don't we don't spend any time talking about these things

01:22:02.420 we're leftists all the time yeah but we're no we're here talking about andrew tate we're not

01:22:06.500 talking about in this segment yeah but like we don't spend that much time talking about

01:22:09.940 you know the hollywood degeneracy or the music industry harry did really good segments on diddy

01:22:14.880 thank you thank you very much i've done like three or four okay well done right that's good

01:22:19.880 that's good i just wasn't aware of it uh david says uh the pornographer tate is self-proclaimed

01:22:25.260 mohammedian yeah this is my like not my main problem but this is definitely a problem to take

01:22:30.920 uh who cares uh what he what he he's also done a number of things where he's like our birth rates

01:22:37.980 are down you're gonna need to take on a lot of muslim men to get the birth rates back up it's

01:22:42.220 like stay away from my women stay away from my women andrew my birth rates aren't down so i'm not

01:22:47.660 worried about you yeah um omar says uh libshits love frittering away heritage they have no no right

01:22:53.820 to give away putting lips the kind of pig doesn't turn it into a woman just ask david cameron

01:22:57.240 um kevin says two things the leftist libtards cannot define what is a woman what is an englishman

01:23:02.880 uh and the thing is what i like about this is they've been they've just lost the argument really

01:23:08.300 really quickly like it's been a week and we've got swella braveman being like well essentially fnab

01:23:14.340 posting right like so this pretty positive perspective from the right isn't it i don't i don't see it as

01:23:22.480 anything other than pointing out the obvious it's it's it's sad that we have to have these conversations

01:23:27.040 the only appeal i see in them is the is the uh i don't know ancestral and historical discussion that

01:23:32.680 you can have about the uh the the english and uh descending from anglo-saxons and such outside of

01:23:37.980 that it's all incredibly obvious yes but the what is obvious to a normal right-thinking person

01:23:45.480 is heresy to the liberal establishment and yet the liberal establishments claims oh you know it's

01:23:51.740 actually just civic identity where anyone could take it on as an aesthetic these these are just

01:23:56.320 falling flat on deaf ears these are not resonating with people and everyone even constantin kissing

01:24:01.820 is like but he's a brown hindu like so i mean that's that i think that's a good advancement to

01:24:07.480 for the forces of truth reason and fact uh so i'm i'm finding it uh quite heartening to be honest

01:24:14.780 i think it's a good thing um charlie says uh regarding owen jones isn't the fact that he's demanding

01:24:20.320 that sweller is english uh because he says so because he says so uh not cultural erasure i if

01:24:27.500 i remember correctly it's something he was against uh yes and it's just ironic that you know oh if a

01:24:32.880 man says he's a woman then he's a woman but sweller braveman has to be english she doesn't get a choice

01:24:37.060 even though there's no reason to say that she's english she also can self-identify yeah she's not

01:24:41.480 i don't know he will tell you i was a straight white man he's not straight uh nicholas says in

01:24:47.060 regards to identity it is so jarving for the liberal mind here the right wing is coming back

01:24:51.120 to blood and soil as the basis of identity well it's not just the right wing it's also hamza yusuf

01:24:55.080 right like there are also plenty of leftists who will come to that position

01:24:58.480 that's how they really feel and frankly as well in a competitive now multi-ethnic society there are any

01:25:06.560 number of uh evolutionary psychologists who could have told you that when all of a sudden you

01:25:12.240 whether or not you thought of yourself as belonging to a particular group come up another

01:25:16.140 organized group who identify you as such and go against your interest it's very very natural

01:25:21.800 psychological response for you to go hold up this thing i've never considered about in my entire life

01:25:26.700 is actually a defining part of me whether i recognized it or not and i'm going to stand up to

01:25:31.660 defend my rights as part of that this is actually kind of textbook psychology in a lot of ways

01:25:36.940 dynamics this is what happened to me what happened to me yeah i just had to think about it i was like

01:25:41.980 well no i'm an englishman why do i even have to discuss this and suddenly it was like oh right the

01:25:45.560 left have been destroying it's because they random people i don't know hate me for it and want to

01:25:49.800 disenfranchise me for it oh okay oh all right well i don't love i don't want that so i guess i'm

01:25:54.380 going to oppose it yeah and lord narevi here it's i like this comment because i've i've been thinking

01:25:59.240 about doing the same thing myself uh he says time for my stunning and brave moment chaps i wear an

01:26:04.120 english flag pin wherever i go proudly displayed on my lapel for everyone's seen you know what this

01:26:08.140 far nobody's even cared positively or negatively regardless i display it because i am english and

01:26:12.700 proud of that fact you can trace my ancestry further back than the viking invasions and my

01:26:16.580 family have all been born lived and died here the pinners are reminded this is my land my people

01:26:20.300 are never to be taken away that's i honestly that like i remember in like 2018 or something getting

01:26:26.620 in the neck from a bunch of leftists i was like no i'm going to order an england flag off of amazon

01:26:29.760 so i at least have one and i'm getting further and further the points yeah i'm probably just going

01:26:33.560 to end up getting the pin the more i get shit libs going yeah anyone's no no no no no no no this is

01:26:38.660 ours and we get to keep it uh david says uh humza is a pakistani mohammedan who was sadly given a

01:26:44.540 british passport um it's not just him who was given the british passport i think he was raised born and

01:26:49.700 raised in britain actually i will double check that i'm pretty sure he was but but isn't that interesting

01:26:54.560 how second generation immigrant literally says i'm a son of the soil of pakistan yeah he was born

01:26:59.540 in glasgow yeah there we go right so even being born in glasgow is not enough you know he's still

01:27:06.080 drink as much book fast you can take as much heroin as you want yeah you will never be glaswegian

01:27:11.180 but that's the thing even then like i mean you know what age was he when he first went to pakistan

01:27:17.480 you know what i mean good question actually yeah anyway yeah so uh and uh did i say that kevin says

01:27:25.160 no i think i did say that sorry um right okay well we'll end it there then because uh i don't want to

01:27:30.760 keep repeating things i've already read so thanks for joining us folks go and get islander it's really

01:27:34.920 good i'm very proud of it i'll probably do a video talking about it at some point because there's

01:27:39.940 something in there i want to talk about but uh anyway uh we will see you in the gold zoom call in half

01:27:46.160 an hour if you're a gold tier subscriber or just failing that have a great weekend and we'll see

01:27:50.820 you on monday

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - February 28, 2025

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