The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1113

00:00:00.000 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the lotus eaters for tuesday the 4th

00:00:12.600 of march 2025 i'm joined by dan and connor hello and today we're going to be unpicking what is

00:00:18.880 happening with ukraine because i don't know if anyone's noticed but there's a big quagmire of

00:00:23.680 diplomacy at the moment uh then we're going to discuss how europe has lost its mind over the

00:00:29.320 prospect of a ukraine and a war with russia and then we are going to talk about what is quite a

00:00:35.160 uh shocking but not surprising twist in the eleanor williams grooming gang hoax case which uh

00:00:43.800 i posted about this on twitter the other day i was like what were the odds um anyway let's uh let's

00:00:49.460 begin so the there is currently a massive um i can't describe what i want to say about it without

00:00:57.500 swearing um a continual series of fumbles when it comes to the diplomatic situation with ukraine and

00:01:05.600 i thought we were trying to unpick them because the past couple of days have been tense should we say

00:01:11.220 for the european political class and there's a great deal of contradictory statements being made

00:01:19.220 and what we can see from what has been revealed is the profound weakness of europe and their

00:01:27.180 continual reliance on the united states whether they want to admit it or not i think it's worth

00:01:31.460 uh going over that but before we do go and get islander issue three it has been out for one week and

00:01:38.040 we are already more than a third through the stock that we have of it so get it before it's gone just i

00:01:44.180 have a statement on what's happening with it which is we've sold more than a third of it now half the

00:01:48.780 copies that have been sold have already been sent i just before we went live apparently uh one or two

00:01:53.800 champs have already started receiving their copies because they were in the uk so they got a quicker

00:01:57.120 uh but the uh the other half are us and canadian orders which will be sent out later this week so

00:02:01.840 you should have them very very swiftly so begin with uh the big news that trump has suspended all

00:02:09.160 military aid to ukraine because of the massive public uh meltdown breakup argument i don't know

00:02:15.580 what we want to describe it that they had disrespect that's well that's one one way of putting it that

00:02:20.600 the uh trump vance and zelinski had in the oval office and uh trump has just said well we won't

00:02:27.100 give you any more money and that means weapons that means he's actually done it now he's he's pulled

00:02:32.200 the trigger it's stopped that appears to be the case doesn't it never pick a fight with a guy from

00:02:36.340 queens on camera yeah yeah exactly like in there he was like look i can be the hardest guy in the

00:02:41.600 world if you want but i'm trying to get this done and zelinski's like no i don't believe you're the

00:02:45.220 hardest guy in the world so okay but now you don't have any money charitably to trump he consistently

00:02:48.900 gave zelinski an out like vance vance went for the throat and i love him for that zelinski was insistent

00:02:55.280 that he wanted to pick the flight fight in front of the world's media perhaps in a tactical move to have

00:03:01.340 the eu break away from the u.s and over invest in its troops and its resources because he knew the

00:03:08.060 u.s weren't keen on doing so anymore i think what he was trying to do is just leverage the power of

00:03:12.360 public perception against trump yes and he miscalculated that and trump instead to his

00:03:17.880 credit said look we're going to give you a minerals deal it's going to be an economic and thereby

00:03:21.580 security deal you came in and you're not dealing with joe biden anymore because i i don't have

00:03:26.300 dementia or a son with illicit financial investments in ukraine and so take what i'm

00:03:31.860 giving you or i will walk away and well i'm pretty sure in that same press conference he did say we

00:03:37.640 will keep the um weapon supplies coming yeah he boasted about sending javelins when obama sent sheets

00:03:43.140 earlier in the press conference in the 15 minute clip that made headlines a ukrainian journalist had

00:03:48.940 asked zelinski do you think america or do you think president trump is standing with you and trump

00:03:53.440 says well i've brought him here and zelinski said this is very telling of the sort of great men

00:03:57.720 versus rules-based order dynamics zelinski said america has stood with us as if the country itself

00:04:03.080 has a as a duty to do so rather than just the leader or figurehead but trump for his point was

00:04:07.480 saying look i've brought him here i've consistently given them weapons i've consistently said you have a

00:04:11.940 moral case to defend your borders and therefore don't show me disrespect because i'm already on your

00:04:17.420 side as it were there was no need for him to pick that fight you'll notice that zinz zelinski failed to

00:04:21.800 distinguish between the the rulers of america he just viewed america as one homogenous whole

00:04:26.780 and trump made the point of saying no our previous stupid president did stupid things i'm not stupid

00:04:31.820 i'm not going to do those things anyway so this is uh bad news for zelinski and it's pretty much the

00:04:36.100 the trump card that trump has to play in fact with zelinski to get him to do what he wants

00:04:40.220 you want american money and weapons you have to play ball and so europe went into a little meltdown

00:04:46.780 about this i mean for example uh we kia starmer told the commons yesterday i didn't know that i

00:04:53.380 didn't know that was happening no you didn't know that was happening right because you're not actually

00:04:56.780 that important in this so kia starmer the rest of them headless chickens running around as if the

00:05:02.940 world's on fire the sky is falling they don't know what's happening trump appears to be completely

00:05:07.900 in control of this and so they all just doubled down they all just doubled down they're like no no

00:05:11.760 we're 100 behind zelinski and it's okay fine right i understand why you're doing this it's

00:05:16.920 your rules-based order that zelinski is going to be upholding by fending off the russians i understand

00:05:21.640 but you have to understand your position in the web of connections here and it's actually quite low at

00:05:29.180 the bottom is it as easy as europe is running on a lag because the way geopolitics with western europe

00:05:34.780 and america actually works is western europe just does whatever you uh us says it's always been that

00:05:40.520 way and for a long time now it's been it's been the narrative it's been the ideology-based

00:05:45.640 geopolitics the u.s has been advancing the globalist rules-based liberal order yeah and that's what i'm

00:05:50.980 saying maybe europe is just running on a lag kind of but you've got to remember that these are the

00:05:55.520 people the u.s has created right the u.s deliberately wanted the europeans to have the international rules

00:06:02.380 based order that the u.s was setting up for its own advantage and now someone who is not a part of

00:06:07.640 that consensus has taken control of the united states in its direction and policy well they

00:06:13.000 essentially feel betrayed they feel like the u.s has joined the other side yeah the u.s wanted a

00:06:17.820 version of justin trudeau in every prime minister and presidentship across the world yeah because

00:06:22.400 fundamentally every president going back to like the 40s has been part of the international rules

00:06:27.120 based order but trump is not one of their men and now the europeans don't know how to deal with it

00:06:30.800 and they are again it's not just it's for generations now the europeans have been sort of

00:06:35.880 domesticated into this frame of mind do we know what blair has said on this recently you know i

00:06:41.720 actually haven't seen i've been looking out for it yeah and it hasn't made big headlines and i think

00:06:46.460 that's quite telling because let's say that mandelson peter mandelson is a proxy of blair yeah who has

00:06:52.740 only been given the ambassador position because he gets diplomatic well hang on a second let's get

00:06:57.620 onto mandelson and blair in a bit yeah but but as for blair blair is a rule setter rather than rule

00:07:01.960 maker yeah and the fact that he hasn't said anything should communicate volumes whereas all

00:07:06.980 of the other leaders of europe are the sort of pale imitators of blair going along his going along

00:07:11.860 his trail tracks we'll get into it in a minute we'll get into it because you are exactly right on

00:07:15.760 this and uh it blair is nothing if not a political realist as well um anyway so the european

00:07:21.800 leaders decided to go in the face of their essentially their patron the united states and

00:07:27.580 say no we double down on all of this uh zielinski came to number 10 of course the first thing he

00:07:32.360 did after getting kicked out of the white house they canceled a subsequent press conference didn't

00:07:36.240 they because yes they did a public press conference because because trump expected to get the minerals

00:07:40.120 deal so he could say no no no of course you know good friends they're gonna do exactly what you want

00:07:43.820 and so zielinski decided to come starmer and starmer uh noshed him off under the table as you might

00:07:49.580 have expected um he starmer claims that everyone in the united kingdom supports zielinski and will die for

00:07:55.740 ukraine any man under 30 does not agree for two reasons one we've had it drummed into our heads

00:08:01.400 through the education system but also just the news media for the last 20 years that

00:08:05.440 foreign intervention isn't bad and fails or if you're not talking about the young british men

00:08:12.760 the increasingly shrinking share of young british men that make up the demographic cohort you want

00:08:17.140 to fight this war there's also a sizable cohort of the new diverse youth of the y-o-o-o-k-a-y-uk

00:08:22.200 who do not feel the uk is their country let alone ukraine and so would not fight for either i can't

00:08:26.260 believe they won't sign up i mean don't we have 200 000 men in hotels right now that we could be

00:08:31.320 deploying to ukraine as peacekeepers honestly kia what are you doing you're not thinking outside

00:08:35.760 the box well i mean also there's a there's an army recruitment office in swindon not too far from here

00:08:39.260 and i walked past it a bunch of times and it's quite clear every time i walked past it in the last

00:08:43.480 couple of years that it's not the white british that they're trying to recruit that's something i'm

00:08:47.640 going to do something on uh later on actually not not on this podcast um but uh but yeah anyway

00:08:52.600 kia starmer said no no no everyone in britain absolutely loves you and wants to bear your children

00:08:57.120 which is not true anyway so there was an interesting uh quote in here by um uh professor clark

00:09:04.760 uh but this is about the new the creation of a new coalition of the willing now connor do you

00:09:11.560 know where that phrase comes from i do not i remember yeah you remember because you're not old

00:09:16.180 enough right so the coalition of the willing is the name we used to uh describe the in the allies

00:09:22.220 who were in on board with the invasion of iraq that makes sense yes and so as you can see these

00:09:27.640 people are just living out the past they're not living in the present and that went so well didn't

00:09:33.400 it well actually the tone of this whole thing is very reminiscent of the iraq exactly the same

00:09:39.340 the only difference is we've got social media now yeah and the the the bizarre hive mind that

00:09:45.840 is created by this no we all have to do this okay well you can do that so uh a professor clark

00:09:51.460 they cite in here says well kia hasn't actually laid out who the coalition of the willing is going to be

00:09:56.320 uh and as they say it's being led by the uk and france rather than the united states and europe

00:10:02.140 um it's going to be pretty much who you can expect though right it's everyone that a lot of

00:10:07.560 mr lenski quote retweeted on his damage control tour on twitter saying thank you precisely um it's

00:10:12.880 yeah it's going to be canada it's going to be britain it's going to be france it's going to be

00:10:16.000 italy it's going to be you know germany blah blah blah right so um and so it's the the

00:10:22.180 europeans are thinking right we will commit we will be the ones who send the troops to guarantee

00:10:28.720 the security of ukraine because all of this hinges on zelinski wanting a long-term guarantee

00:10:34.000 that there will be nato forces in ukraine to prevent vladimir putin from re-invading at some

00:10:40.440 point down the line and that's not something that trump is prepared to commit to and that's not

00:10:45.100 something frankly i'm not sure that we can commit to because of course european militaries at this

00:10:49.220 point are withered and old emaciated lacking in material it's also not necessary so this is why i

00:10:58.520 think it's it's ideological because the the reason that europe sabotaged any leverage they had against

00:11:04.580 russia is because they actively dismantled their nuclear capacity pursued a net zero policy

00:11:09.200 ran into energy shortages and then started total de-industrialization of britain yes yeah and and

00:11:15.160 germany specifically yeah thanks thanks to merkel um other than france who still have nuclear capacities

00:11:19.660 and have net exporters and so they spent more on russian gas ex in exports than they did on aid to

00:11:25.740 ukraine but if they're doubling down on net zero they need the minerals that you would procure from

00:11:30.500 ukraine to build all your wind turbines and solar panels that don't bloody work anyway and this is a

00:11:36.740 net win for the trump administration because they can station um peacekeeping forces to protect american

00:11:42.000 economic interests while whilst not positioning it as we're putting american troops on the ground for

00:11:46.100 forever wars so ed miliband gets his minerals ukraine gets a peace guarantee other than the idea of total

00:11:52.440 victory for ukraine so defending their territorial integrity and protecting democracy so we're going

00:11:57.140 to sock it to put in an abstract way there is no advantage of doing this versus trump's mineral deal

00:12:02.460 so i think it's pure just ideology i i really think it is because trump is just not one of their guys

00:12:08.240 i really think it's coming down to that i mean that is an interesting point actually that we that

00:12:12.520 europe has spent more on russian gas than it has on aids to ukraine so it is the classic we're funding

00:12:17.320 both sides only we're funding russia more my taxes somehow also my taxes yeah just yes is that so

00:12:24.860 every single war so true yeah uh anyway so the the the concept of a new coalition of the willing is being

00:12:31.400 floated and i mean the only the only people who really could do it britain and france at this point

00:12:38.220 but if their populations are unwilling to go to war what now well i mean you have to understand the

00:12:44.120 the leaders of britain and france have just got such a strong mandate from their own citizenry

00:12:48.520 it'll be very easy for them to rhetorically persuade them that actually we need to send our

00:12:54.160 sons to die in a place that nobody could point to on a map um anyway so starmer uh explains how this

00:13:00.900 is going to work in here he says we've that they're going to uh agree that france the uk and others will

00:13:07.880 work with ukraine on a plan to stop the fighting oh that sounds specific uh then we'll discuss the plan

00:13:13.100 of the united states right you're going to ask for permission when you've agreed what you're going

00:13:16.440 to do and take it forward together right so you're not going to do anything right that's what he's

00:13:20.760 saying there there's nothing there no we're i'm going to sit down with macron and we're like should

00:13:25.120 we do this i'm like yeah that's a good idea right let's go and ask mr trump if he agrees then if he

00:13:29.520 agrees then we're going to do it because we literally are not the only hard action he's agreed to there

00:13:33.720 is is that he's going to have two conversations yes but i think this is actually quite clever from

00:13:40.320 starmer and the reason is he's record disapproval same with macron macron's forced into an alliance

00:13:46.860 with literal communist parties to keep le pen at bay but if they can look strong on an issue to the

00:13:52.140 segment of their population whose mind is still trapped in the second world and cold war more so

00:13:56.560 than the american population who are actually it's only two percent margin but more on board with

00:14:01.020 trump than they are with with zelensky and europe they can win back a bit of favorability and look

00:14:06.140 strong standing up to america even though they're still doing america's bidding and the greatest tell

00:14:10.440 of this and i don't think it's necessarily farad writing these tweets judging by the question he

00:14:16.220 asked in parliament the greatest tell in this is farad saying for example keir starmer can only look

00:14:21.580 strong on the world stage because of brexit now he's claiming credit for the brexit victory saying

00:14:25.480 the uk can chart his own course but even when keir starmer's opponents are saying he is looking strong

00:14:30.420 by standing up to putin and by proxy trump on this issue then he's pulled a bit of an optics blinder

00:14:36.600 because he doesn't actually need to commit to stationing any troops because america dictates

00:14:39.960 that but he can look like just willing to do so he's now the stronger party in all this and also he did

00:14:44.900 very well dealing with trump the other day uh he was bold-facedly lying to him but it was an optics win

00:14:50.960 and it was a diplomatic win for starmer and he pulled chagos off he did and so it like starmer has done

00:14:56.880 well recently which is kind of frustrating but anyway so what what is that what is the plan well

00:15:01.160 apparently uh there's going to be a one month ceasefire in ukraine proposed by the french

00:15:05.600 apparently signed off by the british uh this wouldn't be a proper truce apparently it'd be in

00:15:11.680 the air and at sea and on energy infrastructure so we're not going to send planes or boats and we are

00:15:17.500 going to keep getting russian energy uh but it's not going to cover ground fighting on the front line

00:15:22.300 on the east as which is where it matters who didn't agree to this no no this is the proposal

00:15:26.300 they're going to float right putin has not why should i care what macron and starmer have agreed

00:15:31.360 if if putin hasn't agreed that's a great question uh there's that's in fact the question that the

00:15:37.360 british kind of asked because we were like no we weren't oh okay but also why would he why would

00:15:42.640 he agree to allow europe and time to rearm ukraine well not just not just time to rearm but particularly

00:15:50.160 control of sea battles because isn't the majority of this conflict not just about the land territory

00:15:55.940 and donbass and that but it's access to the black sea and all of the trading routes because if if

00:16:00.760 russia loses that to nato in their mind they're going to be cut off from the rest of the world

00:16:05.320 so why would russia agree to terms saying hang on you get to dictate terms of what's going on on the

00:16:09.900 sea this is part of the entire reason i'm fighting this in the first place but they're going to be

00:16:13.480 annoyed by that theoretically it'd be a ceasefire so i mean just means no more conflict at sea

00:16:17.900 but yeah i mean i i'm just trying to steal man their position i don't think this is in putin's

00:16:23.360 mind he's going to get immediately suspicious of that i mean yeah there's not justification it's

00:16:27.000 just like that's not going to work there's no incentive for putin to agree to this talk it's

00:16:30.360 like why would i want to cease foreign war that i'm winning this is increasingly looking like that

00:16:33.860 monty python scene with the black knight kind of yeah yeah yeah no that's exactly it and it but the

00:16:38.460 point i'm making with this though is that there is uh no harmony on this ridiculous proposal

00:16:42.820 either uh britain's like no we don't agree to that um in fact luke luke pollard the minister for

00:16:49.020 the armed forces says there is no agreement on what a ceasefire could look like uh and okay so

00:16:54.700 we don't agree with the french so macron is just wrong on this there's already a split

00:16:59.680 one of this is um maloney has come out and said no it's the least rejected macron's proposal as well

00:17:05.160 so the coalition of the willing i mean they're willing to do something just not agree with one another

00:17:11.800 what that thing might be i think you'll say see a broader break with the italians on this given her

00:17:16.420 personal friendships with trump and mask yeah so she she has been insanely hard line about supporting

00:17:21.980 ukraine anyway so it's she's trapped between two worlds well that's a cost of entry if you want to

00:17:26.580 be a president or prime minister in europe no doubt but the point is she can't serve two masters she's

00:17:32.080 going to have to decide which one is uh the one she's going to commit to um but they she does say i mean

00:17:37.220 i believe that everything must be done together uh europe and the united states sitting at the table with

00:17:41.300 russia and ukraine to be fair to reach a fair and long-lasting peace says the uh foreign minister

00:17:45.440 of italy it's like okay that's great but what we're seeing now is any resistance to trump is in

00:17:50.400 completely disunited right britain on one side france on another it's the other none of them agree

00:17:56.360 and these are like most of the major powers of europe only germany is as far as i can tell been keeping

00:18:02.780 i'll quickly throw in how ceasefires actually work the side that is winning proposes and the side that

00:18:08.500 is losing either accepts it or they don't that that's how ceasefires work throughout history

00:18:12.660 it's not that the allies of the side that are losing argue amongst themselves about a ceasefire

00:18:17.840 and then and then just impose it on the winning side that that's not reality at all they believe

00:18:23.380 they're on the precipice of winning which is why they're doing this which is mental there's no

00:18:27.560 incentive from this perspective from this position for putin to go for the ceasefire at all do you think

00:18:33.700 they actually think that they're going to win i have no idea like like do they i mean i think

00:18:40.600 they've got no choice right because they're convinced that this is an existential threat to

00:18:44.940 the liberal order the rules-based order of europe ursula von der leyen just comes out and says

00:18:49.740 explicitly that but if we allow this to happen the rules-based order is over and these people are not

00:18:55.240 just supporters of the rules-based rules-based order they're born and marinated in it right for their

00:18:59.620 whole lives for their parents lives you know their grandparents set this thing up and they can't

00:19:04.280 imagine a world in any other way well yeah very true but it's already over because america doesn't

00:19:08.420 buy into it anymore i know but they can't accept that that's why they look like that that's why

00:19:11.880 they're they're squabbling and desperately trying to come to an agreement but i can't believe they

00:19:16.000 haven't got an agreement but the point yeah the point is moving on just to for the sake of time

00:19:20.240 uh starmer then came out and gave you know a very powerful speech in which he'll put boots on the

00:19:25.400 ground and plays in the air and everyone's like he meant it's like well only if america agrees to it

00:19:28.760 okay that's that's not very interesting um but i mean there there sorry there is something

00:19:37.720 interesting about this so uh at least kia starmer wants to walk the walk right he's talking the talk

00:19:42.460 he wants to walk walk he just needs trump's approval which is why he went over and lied to trump to

00:19:47.440 butter him up and make sure he could get trump on side again clever move as you pointed out uh this

00:19:52.680 how's the how's how's the rest of the coalition of the wheeling thinking of this uh no we're not

00:19:57.180 sending troops says macron so right so the coalition of the wheeling is half unwilling

00:20:00.780 doesn't agree on what to do like

00:20:04.020 far be it from me to defend kia starmer have you considered this is the french

00:20:10.360 sure and i'm actually genuinely shocked that starmer has played this with such finesse

00:20:15.180 um he's done really really well so far because he's actually made no commitments that we can't

00:20:23.020 we will be forced to uphold right so he said no no we'll do this as long as trump says so we'll do

00:20:27.580 this as long as trump says so so he has essentially offloaded the ultimate responsibility to someone

00:20:32.140 else but talks tough in the media so in the press they get sama is going to do something good but he

00:20:37.980 doesn't actually have to do anything that's because discourse is trapped entirely in the short seven

00:20:43.100 years between 1938 and 1945 of course yeah and so if you position yourself as winston churchill yes without

00:20:48.860 actually needing to make the substantial commitments to deploying troops then you look good to the

00:20:55.500 commentariat and so the perception is made that you're doing the right thing even if you don't have

00:20:59.560 to back it up so it actually doesn't require starmer to be that savvy of political actor he just needs to

00:21:04.380 play into the incentives set forth as you said that have been created by the u.s state department usa id

00:21:11.180 etc for how many years and so he looks like the good guy even though the chessboard has completely

00:21:18.600 changed from the american end yeah i mean a great example on how to recognize uh starmer as the

00:21:24.520 villain here is that when trump came back into office he brought back the boss of winston churchill

00:21:29.080 bridge hero quote unquote if you agree with that um starmer takes them down starmer replaces them with

00:21:35.980 pictures of yvette cooper vanity pictures of yvette cooper catfishing us um and so you can see that

00:21:42.360 starmer is just lying through his teeth to trump to play a plastic patriot but it's useful

00:21:47.960 for him to be able to get trump on side and he has done that and he said nothing here that's going

00:21:53.480 to upset donald trump in fact saying look if trump gives a sign off we'll put boots on the ground that's

00:21:57.820 what trump wants to hear yeah he's allowing he's giving trump the the power as the sort of feudal

00:22:03.180 liege lord saying look we'll do whatever you say my liege you know just say the word and he's not

00:22:07.600 directly insulting him but he is making it look like he's defying him exactly while saying we're going to

00:22:13.260 increase gdp exactly yes it's actually gdp to 2.5 we're going to do exactly as americans say when

00:22:18.500 they say it but i'm standing up to trump it's very clever optics it appeases the rah-rah boomers but

00:22:23.100 doesn't upset the hierarchy where america is the leader of the global global hegemony exactly trump

00:22:27.420 just hears the uk is willing to put troops if you say so oh okay great i'll move on then uh anyway

00:22:31.940 macron uh wants to send troops only after negotiations have been concluded which is uh not how ceasefires work

00:22:38.340 again anyway so getting to uh mandelson mandelson uh the the prince of darkness again you're probably

00:22:45.360 too young to remember no i remember this bit right um man i used to call him the queen of darkness

00:22:49.720 because which is probably more accurate um but uh for some reason uh probably this is blair's influence

00:22:55.720 um made the u.s ambassador from britain and this will undoubtedly mean he is basically tony's

00:23:02.580 like tony blair's man in the uh system here and he just came out and said look uh zelinski just has

00:23:08.800 to accept the minerals deal and accept that this is the way to get a ceasefire with russia you're not

00:23:13.920 going to get any further from that and so in another startling show of unity in the coalition of the

00:23:20.260 willing the uk government came out and said well i mean don't listen to our diplomat on what government

00:23:25.760 policy is i know we appointed him like a month ago and that means surely we are empowering him to go

00:23:31.460 over and speak on the government's behalf if that's what an ambassador does anymore right but

00:23:35.960 no uh and it's bizarre because that minerals deal basically is a security guarantee because it means

00:23:41.560 american contractors operating in ukraine so if tanks want to roll past them they've got to go over the

00:23:46.080 heads of american contractors that's that's if you aren't thinking in terms of parallel economic blocks

00:23:51.360 which i think the blair via his institute all the tendrils it has in africa trying to compete with

00:23:56.760 the china's belt and road scheme they understand that whereas the likes of starmer and all the

00:24:01.200 european leaders are still in track to be locked in the post-war rules-based liberal order where

00:24:05.680 they think it's about upholding democracy and human rights rather than economic security so they think

00:24:09.020 these things are mutually exclusive whereas actually mandelson downstream of blair and trump

00:24:13.400 understand that economic security equals military security so mandelson obviously and

00:24:18.500 any kind of machiavellian realist analysis of this but like look just do it so you're not going to

00:24:23.920 get anything else trump's clearly made his point may uh point uh hammered his point home and he will

00:24:29.700 act on it and so mandelson was just like yeah do it and the uk government was like no we're not going

00:24:32.720 to agree to that anyway so uh vance came out and said look the only way that ukraine is going to

00:24:38.500 get troops on the ground would be to protect american interests because of course this is the

00:24:43.340 america first administration and so you have to give america an interest in your country for example

00:24:48.120 if they're getting 50 of the profits of your mineral sales then yes they're going to want to put

00:24:52.580 troops there to make sure that putin doesn't just come in and seize them and stop the flow of those

00:24:56.600 minerals so it's actually a security guarantee without being a security guarantee it itself is

00:25:02.080 actually kind of clever and would really work and so this this he didn't say that uh british and

00:25:09.720 french peacekeeping troops would be uh not very useful because the countries haven't fought a war

00:25:14.000 in 30 or 40 years because that wouldn't be true about britain or france we fought lots of wars with

00:25:18.240 america 42 years since we fought a war without america i think that's true i think he's referring to

00:25:23.420 random pockets of eastern europe he is and he he retweeted this saying this is what i said

00:25:27.940 i didn't mention britain france but for a reason by the way vance is just phenomenal like i'm so glad

00:25:33.860 he was picked as vp he's doing great i love the fact that he's prepared to wage war on social media

00:25:37.280 over this yes uh but anyway so what what what's the outcome of this zelinski is ready to sign the

00:25:42.820 minerals deal yeah exactly uh so i've i imagine now that the money isn't coming in the next day or so

00:25:52.840 he's going to rush to whatever contract he needs to sign and get it signed and then quickly leave

00:25:57.540 ukraine because the ukrainian mafia probably won't be very happy that he um he's stealing their cash flow

00:26:03.200 yeah he's stealing their profits yeah exactly because remember ukraine is a mafia state as people

00:26:08.040 i i tweeted this yesterday being like look you know uh the people saying oh you you can't say

00:26:12.640 ukraine's a corrupt country it got invaded it doesn't uncorrupt the country it was corrupt before

00:26:16.460 it was invaded it's massively corrupt 100 this guy's going to lose a no claims bonus on his life

00:26:21.160 insurance the moment these fellow elites in ukraine get hold of him he will retire to some gated

00:26:26.140 community in california yeah well he better do it he better do it fast yeah he should um but this

00:26:31.700 and then you know this is why trump banging the down the table on elections and things like that

00:26:36.220 your time is done you know i mean he hasn't actually done terribly to be honest i think

00:26:40.920 he's actually done all right uh all things considered it could have it could have been

00:26:44.700 handled a lot worse he's he's done he's done all right in as far as the incentive set by the

00:26:49.560 biden administration and the global media which was given legitimacy by the american hegemon at the

00:26:55.380 time allowed him to do so but let's say let's say that trump was in the white house when the war had

00:27:01.540 kicked off and it still happened even though i don't think it would have if trump was president

00:27:05.920 um do you think that he would have gotten away with that vogue photo shoot a couple of months

00:27:10.900 or leading ben stiller around the ukrainian like yeah but this is the point like we we don't like

00:27:18.940 that but from his perspective dealing with what the chessboard looked like at the time he's played

00:27:23.560 it quite well actually i mean it like for example when he was having that conversation with trump and

00:27:27.940 trump was like look you've lost he's like you know he's i know i know no wait i can't agree to that

00:27:31.580 he's managed to keep ukraine in a fighting stance right against the russians because it could have

00:27:37.480 been easy enough like two years ago or something if ukrainian morale just completely collapse the

00:27:42.340 russians to just flood the country he's he has done a good job from the perspective of where he is

00:27:48.800 whether you agree with the war or not whether you want him to support or not etc etc well he should

00:27:52.280 have taken that march 22 um peace deal then well that would have been boris johnson boris johnson

00:27:56.740 got into the way didn't he he should have told boys johnson to do one well he should but boris

00:28:00.380 johnson deeply connected is one of the primary patrons and you know that is what leadership

00:28:05.780 would have looked like in that case sure but the the the point being whether you like zelinski or not

00:28:10.160 you can't deny that he's done quite well in his position um but it does look like this thing is

00:28:14.980 wrapping up so i mean you know now that i've said that it's going to go on for another 50 years and

00:28:19.080 we're never going to get out there but who knows but that's as far as i can tell what is happening

00:28:23.760 with ukraine at the moment uh crash prone says has dan been thoroughly rammed this ramadan or is

00:28:29.340 everyone in the office islamophobic um not rammed yet but i will keep you updated rammed i don't know

00:28:34.900 what it means it seems means eating a lot of bacon i think it's a play on ramadan all right okay

00:28:40.620 the shadow band says new british nuclear weapons can protect canada against trump liberal party leader

00:28:44.980 christian friedland running to replace leftist justin trudeau said incredible that they think that we

00:28:51.200 have access to our own nuclear weapons or that they work yeah yeah although when was the last

00:28:55.640 time they were tested like i i'm actually deeply skeptical of the idea of nuclear war on the fact

00:29:00.220 that this is going to be ancient technology at this point i wonder if ours is just like bottle rockets

00:29:05.000 that we probably pretend this is the thing about north korea wasn't it it's like the tests kept

00:29:08.920 falling into the ocean it's like right okay and binary surfer says boomer truth will clearly die in

00:29:13.400 our lifetimes but an interesting question is what will replace it given that it's basically a

00:29:16.920 religious conviction there's a religion shaped hole in our psyche that's an interesting

00:29:19.560 question not in everyone's psyche no no i increasing share of gen z who want to caliphate

00:29:24.480 psyche i was gonna say i think that you know that in 20 years time the zoom is going to be radical

00:29:29.640 lunatics what do you mean in 20 years time i'm already there yeah but okay sure but the the zoom

00:29:35.360 will be radical lunatics in positions of power so uh you know fun times i'm so here for that yeah me

00:29:40.240 too you'll get like you'll get like a tripartite soul of zoomer radicals you'll get you'll get

00:29:44.480 caliphate communism or like trad kath monarchy yeah could be a lot worse anyway let's go again

00:29:51.780 with the uh the linky linky sam samuel

00:29:55.400 thank you yeah i hope we picked a bit the end but

00:30:02.400 very good very good all right so um what's going on with europe because it appears to have

00:30:11.380 completely lost its mind it's willing to defend everybody else's borders but but not its own

00:30:16.220 um so a slight continuation of of your theme carl but uh why don't we just start with this

00:30:22.480 stirring video um it is worth playing this just to just to give you a an idea of the tone and tenor

00:30:29.580 of what's going on at the moment play that samson play again

00:30:34.000 the first priority of this government of any government is the security and safety of the

00:30:42.580 british people to defend the national interest particularly in these volatile times that's why

00:30:50.800 last week i announced the biggest sustained increase in defense spending since the cold war

00:30:57.100 that's also why i met president trump last week to strengthen our relationship with

00:31:03.800 an indispensable partners in defense and security and it's why this weekend i've been hosting european

00:31:12.460 leaders here in london to work together for the security of the united kingdom it's stirring

00:31:19.100 trade in this and europe as a whole we are at a crossroads in history today this is not a moment

00:31:26.940 for more talk it's time to act time to step up and lead right so anyone with a buy to let mortgage in

00:31:36.660 their portfolio anybody who listens to country file or radio 4 has just masturbated themselves into a

00:31:42.600 coma after watching that it's the return of winston churchill that is that is total uh boomer chaff

00:31:48.280 that is so famously insufferably nasal yes yes um actions not just words so that's that's the sort

00:31:55.740 of key message and what was he talking about he was saying the first priority is the security of

00:31:59.400 the british people i want you to remember that as we go through this segment first priority security

00:32:04.560 of the british people okay fine biggest increase in defense spending uh strengthening our relationship

00:32:09.820 with the us hosting eu leaders crossroad of history time for action plans for enduring peace

00:32:16.480 now the next link that i'm going to put up um samson don't don't show the next one to the audience

00:32:23.400 but uh oh is it been removed so that picture of the leg yeah in manheim yes i'll just have to

00:32:32.780 describe it but um it's just a severed pale leg the the the leg of a young woman maybe

00:32:39.280 14 15 years old um a leg on the street of germany severed below the knee uh because a car rammed into

00:32:47.820 um a crowd um so we are a car yes ah just a car a car yes um here we are from cnn two killed 11

00:33:01.000 injured after car rams into crowd of um german city of manheim now again we're going through the same

00:33:07.420 routine that we always go through these things which is to say look we have no idea who it is

00:33:11.860 oh no we do oh do we yes he is a 40 year old german citizen that they've named alexander right so

00:33:19.020 because he's a german citizen no questions need to be asked just a background of um of mental health

00:33:24.420 difficulties i'm sure well that i mean that i mean that is the same story every time for the first few

00:33:28.040 days it is just it is just a you know and uh it's just a mental health issue now maybe maybe in this

00:33:34.820 case um it is a sort of born and bred german native for for you know 800 generations or something

00:33:40.740 maybe it is who who is just having mental health difficulties um even if that sorry i love this

00:33:46.780 the suspect is a 40 year old german national oh well yes what does that even tell you at this point it

00:33:52.880 tells you that he's administratively german well the sp yeah the spd brought in citizenship reforms last

00:33:57.420 year that allow you to have dual citizenship and it fast tracks citizenship applications for foreign

00:34:03.340 nationals now again we actually don't know if he recently received a citizenship or not and we don't

00:34:08.340 even know his motivation however um basic pattern recognition from the past yes means that people

00:34:14.980 let's say not unfairly jumped to the conclusion thinking this was another um islamic inspired and

00:34:20.800 even if it is a a mental health um issue it's because of this it's because this sort of thing is a daily

00:34:27.000 occurrence in germany so if you've got a mental health issue if you're hearing on the news all the time

00:34:30.980 that cars ram into crowds if you do have a mental health issue that's where it's going to push you

00:34:35.600 i don't think it is that um it's far more likely it's exactly what it looks like but but this is a sad

00:34:40.680 point manheim attack is daily news now here um while we're on the subject of germany very quickly

00:34:47.360 thank you very much to um the lovely german person who sent us in a whole bunch of chocolates

00:34:52.620 and little cakes and biscuits and things uh appreciate you very much we do we do always appreciate our

00:34:58.140 fans you don't have to send us chocolate you can if you like uh but what you can certainly do is

00:35:02.160 buy an island of three and that's how you can support us so um yes uh get get one of those in

00:35:07.740 fact there we go that that was the lovely german who sent us well that wasn't the german that was

00:35:12.240 the the chocolates that the lovely german sent us in so appreciate that as someone who lived in

00:35:15.440 germany for eight years the germans do two things very very well chocolate and sausages right okay i did

00:35:20.940 wonder what the second thing was going to be but okay yeah no i i will agree with you on that one so

00:35:24.240 yeah you can buy by irelander three and supporters um interesting thing you go to the um bbc news page

00:35:32.360 just bear in mind that last link was saying that basically the manheim attack is now a daily

00:35:39.560 occurrence um the thing is daily occurrences rarely make the news why would i report on something well

00:35:45.860 it's it's i mean it's not on there yeah it's not on there happened yesterday it's not on there

00:35:49.560 okay but fair enough i mean the bbc news does cover so let's go to world's largest iceberg let's go to

00:35:55.080 world and then europe so what about so we'll be specifically dialing down just on europe now

00:36:01.520 but for something that happened yesterday okay spiculous

00:36:05.980 okay if i scroll down far enough

00:36:09.620 oh okay there was there was a live blog uh yesterday there we go oh oh there we go okay

00:36:18.740 car drove into the crowd right car did it if i go specifically to the europe section i go far

00:36:24.640 enough down then eventually we get we get some germany have gone mad yeah and a poltergeist has taken

00:36:29.580 over yeah yeah minnie cooper or whatever um but of course it's not just it's not just you know germany

00:36:35.400 because we used to we used to these sort of car attacks in germany um let's go to a a tweet here

00:36:41.280 from from this chap who is who is linked to um something which is absolutely horrific go samson can

00:36:48.400 you play this and this is this is shocking this is this is just a random event that happened in in

00:36:53.180 this country yesterday so if you're watching if you're listening um somebody who is just as british

00:37:00.680 as you are goes up to the top deck of a shopping center picks up a large item of furniture and

00:37:06.620 holds it over the balcony blinds and it's having inches of basically killing some people

00:37:12.240 so i'm sure stormer's response will be to immediately announce a banning of any furniture

00:37:17.900 that isn't nailed down the only way to deal with it i'm just going to play that one more time

00:37:22.880 while i make while i make this point oh no let's let's start again and i'm going to make this

00:37:28.680 point okay the official narrative in this country is the greatest threat to the british people is

00:37:33.620 russia and the greatest benefit to the british people is mass immigration while that video is

00:37:39.940 playing in the background well said diversity is very strong enough to pick up that bit of furniture

00:37:43.400 and lob it multiple flights um let's let's let's just go to that okay so so crazy that guy

00:37:51.180 was literally inches from death in inches away from either being killed or or mum goes to pick

00:37:57.840 up the kids from school and say um yeah daddy's in the hospital you can't wake up and if he does

00:38:01.860 wake up he's going to be in a wheelchair for the rest of his life because those kids who are just

00:38:05.300 as british as you are just absolute psychopaths just thought it'd be funny and if that if that had

00:38:10.200 hit a child an elderly person instant death yeah yeah but the point the point that i made in the

00:38:17.220 in the previous tweet that was captioned is that anytime you hear about the phrase no-go zones

00:38:20.980 in london which trump has used before you get the the disingenuous race communists like ash sarkar

00:38:25.820 show me the barrier yeah show me it's not just that there are areas like tower hamlets and white

00:38:30.220 chapel which are ill-advised for particularly female members of the native population to go

00:38:34.840 at any time of day um no it's the fact that these random acts of violence are so arbitrary so

00:38:41.320 reasonless so unpredictable except for the disproportionate demographic that's committing them

00:38:45.760 the public spaces like shopping centers become an ill-advised place to go and just that layer that

00:38:53.100 level of background radiation of psychological anxiety means that if you want to enjoy yourself

00:38:58.260 in your own capital city you can't and so you just avoid spending as much time there as possible so

00:39:03.040 outside of work i just don't go to london i don't know why would you yeah and so my own capital city in

00:39:08.080 my own homeland has been rendered a no-go zone for me if i don't want my phone stolen if i don't want to be

00:39:13.180 subjected to a random act of violence and if i don't want to walk around stressed all the time

00:39:16.200 the thing is well one thing that really bothers me is that you look around everything's fine

00:39:19.920 yeah everything's fine until this splats you well exactly i'm sure when you're walking with your kids

00:39:24.000 your head's on a swivel you're looking out for danger it's what men do you're not going to be

00:39:27.580 bloody looking up as well i mean you've got you've got enough to be looking out for like this this could

00:39:32.300 have gone literally just a foot to the right and there would have been blood all over the place yes right

00:39:37.220 there would have been people screaming and shouting everything is peaceful until it's not and this and then

00:39:41.860 it's terrifying now i only saw this because connor retweeted it um this won't make the news

00:39:46.380 keir starmer will not be talking about this um but no apparently russia is the biggest threat

00:39:52.040 the bbc will instead run around the clock news item um in prime time saying why you know camden

00:39:58.480 council's diversity drive for building hs2 for people of that exact complexion never mind their moral

00:40:04.360 character is an unalloyed good that you should be funding instead so the state will propagandize you

00:40:09.420 into thinking that unlimited numbers of people like that chap who have no regard for your life

00:40:14.440 yeah quite is a good thing never mind what's happening there yeah and and and this is just uh

00:40:20.280 you know this is just a thing that happened yesterday we've got to get used to so i mean to

00:40:24.900 compare that and and this is what i'm really trying to do in this segment is compare um the joys and

00:40:29.920 benefits of mass immigration versus the threat and peril of russia um i thought it might be interesting

00:40:34.720 just to look up all the times that britain has invaded russia and all the times that russia has

00:40:39.420 invaded britain so i've got the list in fact i i had to cut it short i had to i had to do it with

00:40:44.320 within only the last 200 years let me guess is it the crimean war in like so crimean war 1853 um

00:40:51.120 britain alongside france and the ottoman empire launched an invasion of crimea attacking positions

00:40:56.380 such as sevestopol um anglo-russian war 1807 during the napoleonic war britain captured russian

00:41:02.340 territories um intervention in the russian civil war this one is crazy so in in 1918 britain along

00:41:09.620 with a whole bunch of other powers basically invade um russia under the cover of their civil war i mean

00:41:14.840 imagine if during our you know about that yeah imagine if during our civil war um several russian

00:41:20.540 battalions turned up on the side of the cavaliers yeah um naval raids in the baltic 1854

00:41:28.160 right right okay i was laughing because i'm envisioning a version of the future where cromwell

00:41:33.800 didn't win well yes yes there is that um but anyway so there's four examples in the last 200 years and

00:41:41.060 and there's more there's many more examples especially if you want to go up to europe as a

00:41:45.480 whole times europe as a whole has invaded russia many many occasions i'm now going to list the

00:41:50.540 times that russia has invaded british territory there we go that's it yes they have never invaded

00:41:57.220 our territory we have invaded their territory multiple times um which sort of brings me to

00:42:02.880 um i did a response to um uh peter mccormack who was asking so he's basically asking the question

00:42:09.460 and and i'm not i'm not digging on peter here he's a friend i like him um but i i just wanted to sort of

00:42:15.120 get into the the thinking behind this but he's basically asking why is it that the war in gaza

00:42:19.820 would end if if hamas released the hostages but not similarly the war in ukraine would end if russia

00:42:25.020 just stopped its illegal invasion now again i'm not i'm not i'm not beating up on on peter because

00:42:29.980 he's a friend but i'm i just wanted to address the particular point because this this is the core of

00:42:34.640 it it's because those moral considerations are in practice entirely irrelevant it's not about who's

00:42:40.700 correct it's not about who can make the most principled argument on twitter it is simply that

00:42:45.480 israel and russia can exercise raw power in gaza and ukraine and the failure to make peace at the

00:42:51.120 earliest opportunity is therefore immoral and wrong and stupid there's no upside to it both

00:42:55.700 those arguments are positioning gaza and ukraine as a in the position of asking for mercy so yes

00:43:01.640 that's a tacit or asking for a foreign patron step in and save them there isn't well that's the next

00:43:07.540 point i make the moral argument is only useful if you can convince a greater power to intervene

00:43:11.840 and it was obvious from the start that the u.s um eu will not uh overtly engage russia yeah and

00:43:18.960 that's why it it it does simply come down to the distinction between hard power and soft power

00:43:23.680 you know here's a very easy example that's a street that's that's a that's a um sign at the

00:43:28.960 end of my street um it's a neighborhood watch area incidentally now i do you remember when there's

00:43:34.980 one up a lot all over the place 20 years ago i i look at them slightly differently now i'm one i'm

00:43:40.040 looking at that and wondering if what's going on there is this lady is saying to the police officer

00:43:43.880 this diverse man has captured my daughter can i have her back and the police officer was saying

00:43:47.760 that you're going to be arrested for racism look at the moral unity that's displayed in the picture

00:43:52.000 yes you know the police you're you know your your friend they're on your side as are your neighbors

00:43:56.920 so you know watch out for some chav youths who might you know steal something from your car

00:44:02.720 the top of a shopping center or whatever no no not not nearly that crazy right just trailing about

00:44:08.000 on the street corner yeah they might be smoking some drugs and they might steal something from

00:44:11.440 your car or something yeah that was the level of criminality but this is this is the ultimate

00:44:15.600 expression of of you know soft power rhetoric this is utterly utterly ineffectual uh there's an

00:44:22.640 effectual home defense no it is no i disagree it's effectual in a different kind of society in a high

00:44:28.160 oh yeah in a society that no longer exists yeah exactly that no longer can i contrast the previous

00:44:33.120 sign with the signs that you see on the london underground so the previous sign had its text

00:44:38.080 uh written in something akin to it looks like a children's tv show and it looks like rainbow from

00:44:44.480 the 70s right this is being presented as cuddly comfy you know we can we can police ourselves whereas

00:44:51.520 because london is such a diverse city and even though the signs are in english they're not that effective

00:44:55.600 now you get announcements to stand on this side of the escalator do not stare at people do not

00:45:00.000 speak like all the very forceful fonts very plain very do you ever play half-life 2 yes very much

00:45:05.760 like that yeah think of bream's uh regime you know where you've got the uh you've got the guards in

00:45:13.360 their masks and so move over there sit and you know do this it's a command society like being in

00:45:18.560 arkham city yeah yeah but when this is referencing a world that no longer exists this is this is empty

00:45:24.000 platitude at this point um this is what matters this this is this is the point this is hard power

00:45:29.200 so um russia controls 100 of crimea 100 of lugans 94.3 percent of curson 72 of zaporosha i'm probably

00:45:41.040 saying that wrong and 61 of donetsk so the only question here is is not don't tell me about your

00:45:48.560 principles don't tell me about the moral arguments do you have the raw power do you have the hard power

00:45:53.600 to evict russia from those areas well you can only enforce principles where you have hard power

00:45:58.320 control yes well principles are post-justification for your what your raw power does um in some cases

00:46:05.120 but it's also a projection of what you're going to do in the future but either way if you don't have

00:46:09.460 the might to enforce your dictates on what's happening you can hold any principle you want but

00:46:14.660 if it doesn't translate to reality who cares so so this is the point that you know somebody like

00:46:18.760 kemi bay not doesn't understand she says at times like these it's important we stand together to

00:46:22.720 defend the fundamental principles but without raw power that's meaningless but also like so this is

00:46:28.440 this is basically schoolyard politics and i mean student politics no no specifically like primary

00:46:33.680 schoolyard politics because the aggressor shouldn't win okay so what you're asking for

00:46:38.720 again is a higher power or an authority a teacher to step in and reprimand the bully because if you just

00:46:44.480 allow the kids to play it out long enough the bully will win all the interactions yes if the

00:46:49.020 smaller and weaker kid does not have someone to step in on their side so what she's saying here is

00:46:53.800 either the uk should step in which we don't have the military might to do so or that we should

00:46:59.020 escalate to some sort of higher authority which in their mind is like what just united states

00:47:03.180 excellent excellent is always teacher come save me yeah yeah um but at least she's opposition this is

00:47:10.560 this is keir starmer who ostensibly opposition yes who is the prime minister so so does he does

00:47:15.320 does he understand the difference between raw power and waffling about principles uh let's play this

00:47:21.280 uh samson the answer is going to be no but speaker it was a productive summit together we agreed a clear

00:47:30.000 strategy okay clear strategy that the united kingdom france and our allies will work closely with

00:47:36.880 ukraine on a plan to stop the fighting which we will then discuss directly with the united states

00:47:43.800 it's a plan that has four clear principles oh there we go straight back to principles well what's

00:47:50.100 what's what's interesting about this as well what are they actually fighting for because i've seen

00:47:54.680 a lot of people say okay we've we've turned britain into airstrip one we're an economic zone for

00:48:00.340 people from anywhere to come and go and take as they please but they're fighting for ukraine to

00:48:05.040 basically have like blood and soil nationalism and hard borders i don't even think that's the

00:48:08.900 case funny you should ask what they're fighting for um julia hartley brew has answered that question

00:48:13.800 i like julia interpersonally but she does she does have a very simplistic view of this conflict

00:48:19.620 yeah uh for those of you who are listening uh julie hartley brew is saying i watched darkest hour

00:48:24.860 so that's that that's the churchill movie i haven't even watched it but i can only imagine it's the

00:48:28.740 most intense boomer bait you've ever seen london is a lot more diverse than you might have

00:48:32.920 thought it was oh was it um you know 39 um i suggest anyone cheering on trump's demand for

00:48:38.800 zelizinski to capitulate on russia takes the time to watch this movie too they might learn something

00:48:43.780 about how you deal with putin so we had an empire hang on hang on hang on hang on hang on how you

00:48:51.160 should deal with a threat from dictators like putin by allying with stalin yes yes sorry did i just

00:48:59.020 enter a parallel universe where where churchill never made the pact with the soviet i have long

00:49:03.780 felt that basically all big policy decisions should be done by referendum things like do you think there

00:49:08.940 should be higher taxes do you think there should be mass immigration do you think we should go to war

00:49:12.860 and then depending on what you put on your answer depends on what happens so if you say yes we should

00:49:18.260 have higher taxes you pay higher taxes if you say yes to mass immigration you get one in your house

00:49:22.500 and if you say yes to war then you go and fight you're going to draft all the boomers

00:49:25.660 yes yes and ironically the situation is just so different yeah like britain was like a quarter of

00:49:33.380 the world's gdp at that point yes and even then we needed the americans to win yeah yeah and even

00:49:39.340 then we needed help uh this is a chart tracking um ukrainians um the ukrainians own attitude towards

00:49:46.040 the war now as you can see at the beginning of the war it was very high they thought that ukraine

00:49:50.080 should continue fighting the war now you can forgive them for thinking that in early 2022 because the

00:49:54.260 narrative was that you know they're going to get all the support um the west is 100 behind them

00:49:59.420 they probably thought there was going to be u.s troops turning up fairly soon so but and you can

00:50:03.260 just see the ukrainian support for continuing the war is now about a third especially because the

00:50:08.780 russian sanctions themselves didn't work because you drove russia into the arms of china which was

00:50:12.580 completely inverting the nixon doctrine which helped win the cold war of driving russia and china apart

00:50:17.420 only a third want to continue this war and half want it to end even the ukrainians are saying no

00:50:25.200 this must end we want this to end there was a clear mandate for wanting this to end um samson could

00:50:30.180 you play this this is what it looks like um in ukraine these are a bunch of men who have basically

00:50:34.740 been captured dragged off the street um because you know you can kill the sound though um well that's

00:50:42.520 what conscription is so look at this these people have basically just been captured and they're being

00:50:48.220 forced to the front line look at these guys they're all their hands are in plastic cuffs like they're

00:50:51.880 prisoners of war so it's all very well for you know julia hartley brew and the rest of them to say

00:50:56.740 oh isn't this exciting there's a war send off these men these men are being held at gunpoint in

00:51:02.120 plastic cuffs i despise this it is sick and it is evil but it also just shows the phrase war criminal

00:51:08.900 again putin bad not good person war criminal is meaningless because one you have to sign up to

00:51:13.300 the rules-based international order in order to be relegated by the standards of justice that render

00:51:16.880 you a war criminal but also if that isn't a war crime then the phrase war criminal means nothing

00:51:20.960 yep right so those poor lads have to be sent into the meat grinder so that this guy can keep his his

00:51:28.740 coke supply coming and keep skimming off the top allegedly yeah allegedly not that i think he'd say

00:51:35.100 whilst at the same time europe does absolutely nothing to protect people like this yeah in fact

00:51:42.800 actively enables these situations to happen by covering up the crimes importing more it's so much

00:51:49.420 deeper than that as well it's the entire face of the state is against the british people at this point

00:51:55.480 yeah and so i'll talk about another time we're running out of time but uh it but yeah the this is the

00:52:01.800 worst manifestation of how that i mean i had an unexpectedly popular tweet it was just something

00:52:06.080 i banged out and we basically in in response to um keir starmer saying that he's going to put you

00:52:12.720 know british troops in i mean the only way that don't don't bother playing it the only way that

00:52:16.800 is going to work is if you know if if we massively ramp up conscription because there's no chance that

00:52:22.180 the british army with whatever it is it's 60 000 fighting men and women is going to take on the

00:52:26.660 russian army 200 000 boat migrants crack them on yeah you'll see how quickly the the diversity

00:52:31.660 returns to the nations of you know yeah exactly you could literally if you wanted to you know have

00:52:36.880 these people self-repatriate you would literally say right okay anyone who came here in the last five

00:52:41.320 years is being conscripted into the military two years worth of service then you get your sister i

00:52:46.600 mean that's how the romans did it absolutely if you if they were going to absorb a population it's

00:52:50.260 okay fight for us first and then maybe it's only two years in the military then you get your

00:52:54.340 citizenship and everything be great and literally the country will hollow out but that was

00:52:57.920 unexpectedly popular i basically just told keir starman to do one i'm not i'm not i'm not fighting

00:53:01.960 for him i just put me in prison instead i mean i'm probably too old anyway but you know

00:53:05.920 solidarity with uh with connor over there um you know what was that you know two million people

00:53:11.540 have viewed that um which will be a lot even for one of your tweets let alone let alone for one

00:53:15.080 of my tweets so um you know that spectacular yes so that certainly resonated um going with a boomer

00:53:21.460 mindset on this this is michael mcfool um who's perceiving this through the lens of star wars

00:53:28.300 thing is i don't even support the rebels in star wars

00:53:30.900 um i mean it's just this every liberal analogy is either about star wars harry potter or hitler

00:53:40.180 where star wars is about space hitler and harry potter is about wizard hitler it's just hitler

00:53:44.780 all the way down if it helps i actually don't mind uh fictional uh metaphors being used in this

00:53:50.480 way we use them as well you know like lord of the rings and things like that that's right

00:53:53.200 so it's it's fine this is it's fine because this is the purpose of fiction is to create a

00:53:58.360 representation of reality that tells a story that instructs us in a moral way so it's actually not

00:54:02.740 not wrong for them to do that i i would argue that the problem is is that this story is completely made

00:54:08.160 up all stories um and actually if it was a realistic yeah yeah but no if it was a realistic movie

00:54:13.860 about a a much larger military taking on a large yeah the rebels would be crushed yeah the smaller

00:54:18.760 military would get crushed well not just that like if this were a star wars parallel it wouldn't

00:54:22.600 be the rebels of the empire it'd be the empire v the hut cartel yeah yes literally them invading

00:54:27.380 tatooine and fighting bounty hunters but the interesting thing is there is actually an entire

00:54:32.280 genre of movies about a much larger military crushing a smaller military um and it's basically

00:54:39.180 every u.s war movie yes but but these julie hartley brew and michael mcford would never watch

00:54:45.180 one of those and think oh yeah actually ukraine probably needs to make peace because it's not

00:54:48.600 going to win even though there's an entire genre of movie they would they would never they would

00:54:52.040 never make that connection um this i thought is also worth throwing in there so this is this is a

00:54:59.420 sort of random anecdote um from somebody i followed um the the basically points out look i he was he was

00:55:05.180 dating this ukrainian girl um and one day she referred to herself as russian he was like what's going

00:55:10.180 on there and she explained that she is russian even though she you know was born and lived her whole

00:55:14.040 life in ukraine that's the thing 30 percent of ukrainians are ethnically russian yes you speak

00:55:19.760 only russian yeah and the lezinski government basically banned russian russian books russian tv

00:55:26.740 russian theater russian magazines russian newspapers just banned it yeah i mean if we were all scotland

00:55:32.120 i'd probably do the same well yes i mean i actually i'm actually a lot more understanding about that

00:55:38.680 with zielinski it is his country is being actively invaded by russia i can understand why he

00:55:43.400 well we we don't enforce english in this country if you go to white chapel you see signs yeah we

00:55:48.780 never had to we need bangladeshi anyway in the interest of time yes um so very quickly um europe

00:55:55.360 is basically saying look they're going to spend an extra 800 billion on defense spending now i ran

00:55:59.900 the maths on thank you school mom somehow in charge of our continent i ran them i ran the maths on this

00:56:05.520 because look people are saying look this was the whole debate we had recently in the u.s about the cost

00:56:09.880 of deporting people say look it's going to cost 14 000 per person okay so let's say um europe is going

00:56:15.580 to spend 800 billion on defense spending if you spent that on deportations instead you get 57

00:56:23.100 million deportations out of europe pretty good and so i just asked the question in what future

00:56:29.580 is europe going to be safer the one where they extend the ukraine war by 18 months

00:56:34.520 or the one where they deport 57 million third worlders out of the out of europe well the thing

00:56:40.240 they fail to understand is that they're basically asking for mercenary forces to defend europe whereas

00:56:45.180 if they made europe a place worth living and preserving they would have untold numbers of

00:56:49.680 volunteers in world war one a million men signed up to defend the british empire from britain alone

00:56:55.800 yeah like that's huge it's not gonna happen again no that's never gonna happen again because

00:57:00.560 they love their country and it was worth defending it's not worth defending that it was a time okay

00:57:06.260 um let's bang through some quick comments um zernax says i think zelensky is attempting to ransom

00:57:14.060 ukraine into nato we're not looking at what might come after if someone said uh if you want to know to

00:57:18.840 a fight next uh look at who we're supporting now you know that's a fair point um neo and really says

00:57:24.600 to be fair russian now has 20 of ukraine's uh ukraine's uh ukraine's uh landmass at their height

00:57:33.440 they had 27 uh they started with seven percent in hand uh yeah there is a myth that uh the russia

00:57:39.860 is a threat to europe well this this is another great point because the ukrainians i think oh they

00:57:44.560 have half a million men or something at most well in the field like and the russians couldn't deal

00:57:49.480 with it it's like yeah the russians are not going to steamroll across all of europe you know they can

00:57:54.000 they can barely deal with you know the borderlands there you know so it's mr mr denton has given us

00:58:01.040 a generous 20 saying excluding boomers was the um anti-us pro-ukraine propaganda successful in

00:58:07.240 making europeans and canadians canadians ignore their migration problem well we're always ignoring

00:58:12.080 our migration problems for a while that wasn't difficult um booker says i don't understand british

00:58:17.020 government is not capable of defending the coast of kent from boats but somehow capable of war russia

00:58:22.000 they are capable of just not yeah well that's the whole point yeah yeah the whole point uh binary

00:58:26.320 surface as far right um supremacists work again in that shopping center video i keep saying it again

00:58:31.860 but um get out of the cities we're heading for south africa and oh puck says if we can just scroll

00:58:36.460 down a little bit um has anyone asked an expert for his opinion maybe we should get sasha johnson on

00:58:43.120 the phone always but a while since i did one on sasha johnson yes all right let's move on so for those

00:58:49.260 outside the uk you might not be familiar with the case of eleanor williams she was a now 22 year

00:58:55.100 old who became famous because she's currently in prison for promoting a grooming gang hoax now this

00:59:01.820 has been seized upon by the establishment media i'm using sky news here purposefully as a reason to

00:59:08.380 dismiss all of the women and girls who were murdered raped abused by imported pakistani muslim familial

00:59:16.580 enclaves and networks of pedophiles that were actively covered up by police social workers

00:59:22.200 politicians and said mainstream media there's been some interesting twists in eleanor williams story

00:59:28.720 that nobody could have quite predicted and so before we go on though it's not that the everything you

00:59:34.200 said is exactly right of course but it goes further because what they're trying to do is discredit the

00:59:37.660 concept of the grooming gang entirely using this example as if there haven't been literally hundreds

00:59:44.540 now sent to jail for being part of these rape gangs so i just want to like emphasize this is

00:59:49.400 way worse than even like a very sober analysis makes it sound it's it's really i'm not familiar

00:59:56.960 with this story at all so so basically this young woman what just made it up did she or something so

01:00:00.940 i'll get i'll get into it so eleanor williams falsely accused five men so there were four white guys one

01:00:06.160 asian i think he's a pakistani heritage uh of raping her as part of a fictional grooming gang

01:00:12.820 fictional involving these five men and this was in barrow infamous in cumbria so in the north of

01:00:18.860 england she posted photos of herself to facebook where she had all sorts of horrific injuries that

01:00:24.380 later was discovered were self-inflicted by a hammer that she bought in tesco that only had her dna on

01:00:30.160 it that she ditched in a field she called the police around when she was drugged up and damaged and

01:00:34.900 they took an interview with her there's body cam footage of it all they then took her into custody for

01:00:39.160 perverting the course of justice and accused her of of course self-inflicting these injuries and

01:00:43.400 falsely accusing all these men she was jailed for eight and a half years in march 2023 she's now out

01:00:49.280 as of february because they included all the time that she was held in remand in her sentence she

01:00:54.100 served half her sentence and she's now out on a i think a five-year criminal court it's actually

01:00:58.380 really rare for people who make up false rape claims to go to jail well this was against the

01:01:02.900 precious diversity ah okay yes even though even though only one was the member of the demographic

01:01:09.060 but it was into the broader grooming gang story and part of the reason this was such a high-profile

01:01:12.620 case is because there was a protest in the town uh tommy robinson showed up and story because it

01:01:18.960 motivated nativist anger that was the real crime exactly grooming gangs are diversity coded as well so

01:01:26.060 right anyway and and just for disclaimer making up all the false allegations against these five men

01:01:31.480 absolutely reprehensible i'm glad we're glad that she was imprisoned and punished for doing this

01:01:35.920 but new details add an element of complication before i go on i have been told to inform you

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01:02:01.400 received so anyway back to the story um one of the people she falsely accused was a chap and i

01:02:07.200 believe there's a there's an image of him in here called muhammad ramzan now muhammad ramzan is a

01:02:12.300 a local business owner um he had countless death threats here he is uh from members of the public who

01:02:20.220 were concerned about this grooming gang existing um and he said they came from all over the world there

01:02:24.520 was also a chap called jordan trendgrove who was credible they got a picture of him with a christmas

01:02:28.340 tree in the background isn't it there you go i can't really comment much on that uh jordan

01:02:33.780 trendgrove was also falsely accused he was one of the one of the white guys one of the english guys

01:02:37.280 and he said the word rapist was spray painted on his house he tried to kill himself two weeks after

01:02:41.740 being falsely accused and arrested he spent 73 days in prison sharing a cell with a convicted sex

01:02:46.760 offender so horrific ordeal for him uh chap named oliver gardner also falsely accused was sectioned

01:02:51.440 under the mental health act so she really like ruined some of these innocent guys lives

01:02:55.040 and the media decided to make multiple documentaries about this because it pushed the narrative that

01:03:00.920 the grooming gangs are just one great big hoax sky news if this one is fake they're probably all fake

01:03:05.260 kind of yes yes what was most reprehensible so this one's brand new we're going to come back to this

01:03:09.040 one in a moment this one was released in january when the grooming gang story was sent global by elon

01:03:15.040 musk off of the reporting from charlie peters max tempest and bidwell etc and so they put this out

01:03:20.460 consciously at a time where the stories the transcripts of the actual abuse suffered by

01:03:25.420 girls in a place like oxford rotherham rochdale were being amplified to a global audience and there

01:03:30.560 was a debate about a national inquiry in parliament they chose to put this one out very curious so

01:03:35.420 she's being used as the avatar of why any discussion about the grooming gangs is itself racist um this is

01:03:41.380 also included in the islamophobia definition the government are currently concocting council around

01:03:45.340 to sense these conversations and and call you it's pushback it's shut up and let the and let

01:03:50.660 the justice system do its thing quietly in the background you need not concern yourself the

01:03:54.700 justice system being uh silencing the victims yes according to the victims themselves um which is

01:03:59.420 quite interesting but we'll get onto that in a moment the reason these this this case has come to

01:04:04.520 light again is because there's been new convictions of of three brothers in barrow and leeds so the same

01:04:09.780 town that eleanor williams was in turns out there is actually a grooming gang there and it's a three

01:04:14.920 three brothers these are the mayer brothers that's shahar amrin mayer who's 48 shahar alman mayer 47

01:04:20.760 and shahar joman mayer 38 and they're convicted of child sex offenses between 1996 and 2010 on 62

01:04:27.660 counts channel four gonna have to make another documentary now 62 counts between the three of

01:04:33.240 them oh yes it was an organized child rape and trafficking ring amrin mayer sexually abused three

01:04:40.780 children face 16 offenses two charges of intimidation and one of kidnapping joman mayer abused three

01:04:46.660 children face 40 offenses the girls that were abused by amrin mayer and joman mayer was younger

01:04:51.640 six and seven the middle brother alman faced three sexual offense charges against one girl joman mayer

01:04:57.300 started a relationship with a 14 year old girl knowing she was under 16 groomed her by giving him

01:05:01.660 gifts alcohol cigarettes at the same time alman mayer started a relationship with a 15 year old girl

01:05:06.740 during their relationship the girl was raped by his older brother am amran in 2009 the 15 year old

01:05:12.700 victim was threatened by amran after speaking to the police she was grabbed off the street by her hair

01:05:16.400 and shoved into the back of a car by a man and i apologize for all these details they just

01:05:20.900 it helps frame the kind of stuff that was going on in the town that was being ignored while they were

01:05:27.760 focusing on eleanor williams reprehensible false accusations amrin mayer told the girl that she didn't

01:05:33.640 know what he was capable of and that he would do anything to protect his family now this is a

01:05:37.060 classic case of what is called asabaya which is the i believe it's the arabic word for the the

01:05:43.160 clannish mentality that that is infecting particularly the pakistani enclaves in this country that has it

01:05:49.900 so that even the wives and daughters that have been subjected by to abuse by these these rape gang

01:05:55.880 perpetrators will help cover it up and justify the abuse against these girls because they're white and

01:05:59.600 their kefir so this clannish mentality explains why three brothers would sexually abuse a bunch of

01:06:06.860 children never dob one another in whereas we've said before if someone came up to us and presented

01:06:12.340 us with the prospect of abusing an underage girl in a property they owned we would either report him

01:06:18.060 to the police immediately or if the police instant violence in that case exactly yes in order to

01:06:23.160 apprehend the suspect i don't think i believe them what are you talking about you know it'd be so far

01:06:27.220 out of like what yeah why are we having i'm just on my way home what are you talking about you know

01:06:32.160 like i'm gonna get dinner you know in this community this is not yeah they have they have

01:06:37.100 pedophile honesty boxes that's that's one practice that charlie peters disclosed is that you would

01:06:42.000 you know you'd go to a rental property you'd write down how many times you'd use the girls being

01:06:45.920 presented there and then at the end of the month the landlord would come around with a ticket system

01:06:49.740 and you'd pay your dues you weren't joking they literally had a box jesus yes yeah so that's how

01:06:55.960 different the mindset is with these communities right so i'm just gonna hammer that home so

01:06:59.900 amran specifically amran meyer made threats to a woman who was to be interviewed by the police in

01:07:06.400 2010 in relation to the brothers due to the threats that interview never took place all men pleaded not

01:07:11.860 guilty to the charges they were faced with but were convicted on the 28th of october 2024

01:07:16.620 at preston crown court now remember these guys never plead guilty never and it's because

01:07:22.660 they think one the system is on their side but two they have no guilt why would they these are

01:07:27.140 these are white non-believing girls and they deserve it in their mentality i remember it was the might

01:07:31.680 been the rochdale ringleader who launched into a rant about how pakistanis are the supreme race and

01:07:36.220 if you're a non-believer you will burn in hell forever during his trial there have been loads of

01:07:40.580 this where they they'll just yell allah akbar and then when they let off their family's like we love

01:07:45.100 you dad we'll see you soon oh not even when they're let off that's when they're sentenced yeah no no when

01:07:48.900 their sentence yeah we love you but then they just assimilate straight back into their own

01:07:52.560 communities as if they'd never entered prison for raping girls at all and and again just to make

01:07:57.520 the point for any of us our families would never talk to us again if we did this stuff no no and

01:08:02.900 quite rightly so so the brothers have been jailed so jai was sentenced to uh life with a minimum

01:08:07.200 turn of 20 years and 338 days ali got 10 years in prison and four years on license which is a

01:08:13.640 remarkably similar sentence to eleanor williams actually it's only two years more despite him

01:08:18.700 multiply you know actually raping children and sarge was sentenced to life with a term of 21

01:08:24.240 years and 232 days and i bring this up not only because it happened in the same town

01:08:28.380 but because the victims of these men are now soaking saying themselves that the myopic focus

01:08:34.560 on the williams story by the media caused them to not speak out about it and not be believed and this

01:08:40.540 is one of the women she's spoken to sky news and actually accused sky news of being at fault for

01:08:46.600 this to sky news so this is elizabeth she didn't give her last name for obvious reasons fears of

01:08:51.340 reprisal which she's already experienced she was 19 at the time her boyfriend worked in a takeaway

01:08:55.920 and she said that young girls in school uniforms were at the flat above the takeaway she said that

01:09:01.000 so-called parties where the girls were given alcohol paired up with the men often came from

01:09:05.040 out of town quote more men came down from leeds she said i know they'd come down for one thing and

01:09:09.180 that was for sex with girls i'd say roughly 20 30 girls i'd seen coming and going and they were all

01:09:13.600 underage so there are hundreds of rapists just at large in this local area that will never be

01:09:20.220 brought to trial yeah seems seems like it um perhaps operation stovewood has or or the adjacent

01:09:25.620 home office operations with the the joint police task force have it bubbling away under the surface

01:09:30.040 because i'm sure they're right on it well these three brothers were actually known to the police at

01:09:34.440 the time that eleanor williams was being prosecuted and they didn't announce it so they knew there was a

01:09:40.360 gang at the time while they were amplifying the fact that the grooming gangs were a hoax and that's

01:09:44.440 that's worthy of remembering um elizabeth was was pregnant at the time that this was happening

01:09:48.160 and she said and she was told i will set this house on fire with you and your partner in it and make

01:09:52.960 sure this kid will never come out of you and this is jai one of the brothers that issued that threat

01:09:56.680 to her for speaking out um elizabeth then asked about the williams case by sky news and she said

01:10:00.960 that uh it led to one of the victims in this trial considering pulling out as they felt they wouldn't be

01:10:06.000 believed she's frustrated the case has not received as much attention as that of ellie williams quote

01:10:11.260 barrow got branded to be a lying town it's not grooming was happening here and still probably is

01:10:15.220 not every girl's a liar you know and it's not fair why don't you put this out as much as you shouted

01:10:20.960 about ellie williams being a liar directly to sky news so the media who swarmed around the ellie

01:10:26.420 williams case to put a cordon sanitaire around the grooming gangs narrative because it's inconvenient

01:10:31.040 to the idea that diversity is our strength is at fault for silencing victims and creating a

01:10:35.300 a chilling effect on the ability for girls to come forward and actually prosecute the rapists

01:10:38.980 that were operating in the town she and another woman called sarah who also blew the whistle on

01:10:43.580 this are now calling for ellie williams case to be examined and elizabeth said in the four days

01:10:49.080 since the verdict in october someone went and smashed her window so clearly still people operating in this

01:10:53.920 town but why is she calling for eleanor williams case to be examined well sky news got a hold of

01:10:59.180 eleanor williams diary and she named these men in it she named the real rapists in her diary

01:11:05.360 oh yeah what pretty shocking oh yeah that that's a that's a bit of a twist we didn't expect so yes

01:11:14.900 made false accusations against five men absolutely reprehensible glad she's got jail time these

01:11:18.600 accusations are wrong however they were a part of and the police knew this which is why they weren't

01:11:23.340 named in her suit as people she could force the accused yeah so this has been made a deal about

01:11:31.420 for four years and it turns out she named actual child rapists in her diary yeah she was just lying

01:11:37.400 about having been abused by them it's like no they are child rapists but not of you oh well

01:11:41.300 send her to jail i mean so i mean who knows what's going on in her mind but maybe she was so intimidated

01:11:46.460 by these brothers but she wanted to she wanted to put the allegations out there i mean i don't know

01:11:50.780 and i don't very clumsy way of doing it obviously i don't know but i don't want to speculate on that

01:11:54.540 because we just don't know right but the what what are the odds you know so i'll just choose three

01:12:00.060 random people from this community oh they just happened to me yeah so so i'll read some extracts

01:12:04.420 from this of how she named them um the the person that she named particular was shar jomen my which is

01:12:10.560 sarge he's convicted of 40 counts of child abuse so prolific child rapists the diary is dated between

01:12:15.560 late 2019 and early 2020 so it's impossible for her to know that the police were looking at him and this

01:12:20.620 was a private diary as well um he's named with a bunch of other men as well um there's a there's

01:12:25.920 a man that's euphemized as zed here so his name is not given out so either the police are looking into

01:12:30.500 him or have already looked into him protecting his identity but here's a quote monday 21st of october

01:12:34.700 2019 had snapchats from zed saying sarge needs me in blackburn tomorrow said i had to get the train

01:12:40.140 to preston because they didn't know for definite where sarge wanted me she also said sarge is going to be

01:12:44.520 pissed off with her and references him being at parties where men take money after she goes off

01:12:50.420 with certain people so was she present at the parties or not how did she know about them yeah

01:12:54.780 that's you know about a big question mark over her case now hasn't been answered okay um she also

01:13:00.880 says tuesday the 29th october 2019 was watching out of my bedroom window and had a car circled about

01:13:05.920 three times i got into bed and laid in the dark in silence had zed telling me not to piss sarge off

01:13:10.800 zed saying i'm not i'm to not lose money so was she involved in the drug trafficking trade one of the

01:13:17.660 prostitutes that they were using yeah and as you said dan was she being physically intimidated it

01:13:22.720 it seems like it so again reprehensible liar but seems that she was being intimidated by

01:13:27.300 actual pedophile gangsters that she named well before they were convicted um sky news has digital

01:13:32.560 evidence that the diary was written around the time it was dated and so wasn't public knowledge and so

01:13:36.720 couldn't have been fabricated so this is genuine and there's more both sarge and jai's names were

01:13:41.620 brought up at her trial among those she had alleged and abused and had abused her but she was never

01:13:45.560 charged with lying about them because the police were actively processing their investigation

01:13:49.760 it was so i mean so they actually knew all of this during the trial which is why they didn't bring

01:13:54.800 charges against her for lying about them oh that is only the eyes bang out of order that yeah yeah

01:13:59.400 yeah quite yeah eleanor's mother allison emailed police in october 2019 warning sarge had brought a

01:14:05.300 dangerous man to barrow who was seen manhandling her daughter in a club and later pulling out a knife

01:14:09.340 so there's another person involved here that eleanor's mother had reported to the police and the

01:14:14.440 police again it seems to have taken no action apparently sky news say we can't name this man

01:14:18.940 for legal reasons but two years after the email was sent he broke into a woman's home in another

01:14:22.820 town and sexually assaulted her he was later jailed so again so why can't we name him then yeah

01:14:28.400 don't know he's already in jail for rape yep yep why can't we name him in this and also um

01:14:34.280 she accurately identified another potentially murderous rapist yeah i'm i'm getting to the point

01:14:40.280 where it's not just for third world as we deport it's the police as well and the media well the

01:14:44.620 police are just incredibly corrupt here yeah because they're still insisting they've done

01:14:47.740 nothing wrong well there are a bunch of um things in i think it was rotherham to there are several

01:14:53.720 police officers several counsellors who were involved personally with the grooming gangs so it's honestly

01:14:58.840 when you see the police acting in such a permissive way it's entirely likely that the police are the

01:15:03.880 police in this country used to have such a stellar reputation but we use the word police and we're

01:15:09.220 picturing bobby on the beach

01:15:10.280 remember they're trying to recruit from these communities right so one of them one of them was

01:15:16.420 killed in mysterious circumstances in rotherham as well when he was involved in the investigation

01:15:20.160 i didn't know about that yep killed yep yep struck by a car really just a car yeah weird that i've

01:15:26.420 covered that on on my show on this clip on youtube um it's interesting this this chap who's not being

01:15:30.920 named but is in prison right he was named 36 times in her diary whereas sarge the one of the brothers

01:15:36.040 convicted of sex offenses only named eight times so again new of prolific violent child rapists

01:15:43.800 and they're just allowed to carry on yeah it's unbelievable but the the narrative that was

01:15:48.660 promoted and it's still partially true narrative is that she is just falsely accusing men who were

01:15:54.480 not partisan rape gangs men who did nothing wrong just all of these innocent men she's just accused

01:15:59.760 wow yeah it turns out there is not only a grooming gang operating in the town but she knew some of the

01:16:04.360 participants had accused them at the time and they weren't included in her case and here comes the

01:16:10.080 biggest twist right so not only are there now um recordings of threatening snapchat messages that

01:16:15.540 she's been sent not only do we have a diary what was what was sarge doing for all of those years

01:16:22.320 between 1996 and 2010 well sky news has the answer others were found guilty of all 62 charges including

01:16:29.900 multiple rapes of children intimidation and kidnap sarge and jay were given life sentences the judge

01:16:37.520 described them as highly dangerous with significant risk of re-offending the brothers were not on trial

01:16:43.980 for any drug offenses their crimes spanned from 1996 to 2010 but what were they doing in the 10 years

01:16:54.440 before they were charged in 2020 well a lot of that time sarge was working for morami he seemed like a

01:17:02.880 popular person in the town everybody knew him nobody said anything bad about him then there was no rumors

01:17:07.340 about him in 2018 police spoke to morami about sarge over allegations unconnected to

01:17:13.960 the recent case but he insists they told him sarge was not a threat to children and suggested he

01:17:19.440 carry out a dbs check and he defended sarge on social media only recently when the grim reality

01:17:26.380 was revealed in court about sarge's historical offenses did mo have to come to terms with who he was

01:17:32.380 at that point i felt disgusted you put myself in danger you put my children in danger

01:17:38.700 my 15 year old son used to go on the ice cream one with him you brought this trouble to my house

01:17:43.800 has the mere case dragged it up for you i mean are people saying oh well there was a grooming gang

01:17:48.740 clearly i know this the gang definition says three or still on his side yeah but when you have

01:17:56.140 three brothers that's not a gang so why not so so not a gang according to to mo um bear in mind we we must

01:18:07.160 reiterate that mo was falsely accused but he was aware that sarge could have potentially been a

01:18:14.820 pedophile abuser and eleanor part of this network alleged sarge in her diary was a pedophile abuser

01:18:22.160 and it turned out he was so why did mo not raise alarm bells about the fact that he might have had a

01:18:28.580 pedophile in his employ again shouldn't have been falsely accused terrible terrible stuff well and and

01:18:34.140 and getting no more specific than this i just wouldn't mind a bit of a deeper dig there as well

01:18:40.420 yeah in case in case there were other people who were connected to sarge we're we're one of the

01:18:48.620 things that this is this is all predicated on is the idea that there's a lot less communication and

01:18:54.340 less personal and intimate knowledge of each other's lives than i think is likely right like mo doesn't

01:19:01.280 know anything about this guy's personal life he doesn't know anything about him police came they asked

01:19:06.080 him some questions i didn't know anything and all right okay and but didn't know enough to

01:19:10.220 defend him on social media sure look so oh look eleanor williams absolutely categorically wrong to

01:19:16.620 lie about the men that she did falsely accused shouldn't have faked her injuries shouldn't have

01:19:21.280 pulled that stunt deserved her prison time but there was more here than originally met the eye and so the

01:19:27.460 lesson to be learned is that if the media had not ran with her story as a single example with which we

01:19:34.440 could use to dismiss the grooming gangs as a narrative of anti-muslim racism then more girls would have

01:19:40.180 come forward more perpetrators would have been prevented and probably these men wouldn't have

01:19:45.980 to have been lied about and outstanding questions would not have been had about her case but all i

01:19:51.060 can say is there was more to this hoax than first appeared and i wonder if we'll end up hearing more

01:19:56.180 neo really says there's just been an injurious brawl in serbia's parliament opposition mps toss smoke and

01:20:03.500 stun grenades into the chamber unfurled a banner reading serbia rises up to bring down the regime

01:20:09.300 i know nothing about that region of politics but i want to see the clip at least yeah that sounds

01:20:14.300 fun anyway uh let's go to the video comments

01:20:17.160 um in the meantime theodore says uh wish you a happy and feastful shrove tuesday

01:20:24.440 uh here lent begins may you have many pancakes with lemon and sugar

01:20:27.760 i haven't decided what i'm giving up yet other than listening to my mrs nonsense

01:20:31.760 i'm glad i'm not religious okay let's go for it since my mech game is based on my irl mech building

01:20:39.180 experience breaker squad unit two standing by

01:20:42.980 10-4 all the game upgrades will involve parts and technologies that already exist

01:20:49.780 like car batteries generators and armor made out of steel sheeting fiberglass and ceramic tiles

01:20:55.920 naturally i'm thinking the setting will be post-apocalyptic where the progressives will have

01:21:00.720 blotted out the sun in order to fight climate change i like the idea of a post-apocalyptic mech

01:21:07.080 thing is that you can have the mechs being quite janky it looks like 8-bit titan fall yeah it looks

01:21:12.240 quite cool it looks wholesome good luck with the yeah because one of the things about mech games

01:21:15.680 it's already set in the future so there's like you know super high tech especially the japanese ones

01:21:19.400 but actually kind of like post-apocalyptic like you know pirate stamped together you know clawed together

01:21:25.240 mad max mechs yeah mad max mechs yeah that's actually that's actually a good selling line

01:21:29.040 uh let's go to the next one the debacle of the gay taylorique reinforced to me something i recently

01:21:34.660 realized throwing the doors open to migrants was a cathartic act of revolution and now the owners

01:21:39.560 must live with the consequences a difficult task in our feminized age recently i realized that women's

01:21:44.980 attitudes and behavior are predicated on one simple rule that anything they say or do can be

01:21:49.300 taken back gentlemen are unusually accommodating to women and girls who can perform quite selfish acts

01:21:54.540 and then say i didn't mean it i'm sorry when women are in power there's no one to whom they can plead

01:21:59.960 they are on the hook for their own actions at this point they become vindictive and will turn on

01:22:03.940 everyone else maybe we should just take sort of all the proclamations of war or indefinite compassion

01:22:11.420 extended to migrants as just by female politicians as you're just venting dear it's all right yeah no i

01:22:16.420 empathize with you too i empathize with you too and do absolutely no action uh we just got a super chat

01:22:20.080 from jm denton for 50 dollars thanks sir who says uh us aid here for a documentary on the real

01:22:25.120 grooming gangs dear lord this is infuriating you know what it may well be something we can accommodate

01:22:30.260 so uh maybe it is what's this space in the meantime watch charlie peter's one as well yeah very good

01:22:34.940 i have a genuine question what is the definition of democracy i feel like we're being fooled into

01:22:42.040 thinking democracy is synonymous with voting however every time i hear democracy is under threat

01:22:48.020 the proposed solutions are stop people from voting for who they want annulling elections

01:22:53.440 banning political parties or banning free speech can we start asking the rules-based order elite what

01:22:59.220 democracy actually means to them will they stumble over this simple question i have an answer to this

01:23:05.460 actually and i answered it at length on one of the episodes of my show but democracy does not mean

01:23:09.320 one man one vote it is the means by which man's egalitarian nature is revealed to him which means that

01:23:15.800 every election results in a predictable outcome of victory for the progressives and if it didn't

01:23:20.080 then racism misinformation etc got in the way and so you are justified in censoring opposition parties

01:23:26.700 media outlets or critics of progressive policies which are presumed to be in everyone's equal

01:23:32.000 best interest in order to protect democracy good enough definitions any let's go to the next one

01:23:38.180 good morning lotus eaters i'm bummed that i missed out on the zoom call on friday i'll have to make it to

01:23:43.760 call at the end of this month on saturday i took advantage of the fantastic weather we were having

01:23:48.280 to go for a snow hike up on the mountain loop highway i was the only one on the mountain which

01:23:52.620 was pretty sweet a little word of advice if the voice in your head tells you to bring something and

01:23:57.360 you dismissively neglect to bring it chances are you're going to need it i have enough footage and

01:24:02.160 pictures that i could make a part two from this trip if you'd like and if it wouldn't cover the

01:24:05.760 video comments too much thanks guys i'd love it it looks beautiful yeah lovely

01:24:10.320 let's go for the next one

01:24:13.480 boog food company insect french obviously is thankfully facing collapse but their functional

01:24:22.160 ingredients will almost certainly live on and their naming strategy is marketing genius so stay

01:24:27.480 vigilant all the products listed here are their mealworm offerings in the food chain right now names

01:24:34.300 can be switched out to appeal to different demographics and hide their contents in plain

01:24:37.840 sight to look into this further head over to ingredientsnetwork.com search for any insect name

01:24:43.080 cricket's a good place to start very good i like also that our audience are now collaborating on their

01:24:48.860 video

01:24:49.080 following your announcement last week connor i just wanted to send in a very brief video message

01:25:01.280 wishing you all the very best for the future and to say thank you for everything that you've done

01:25:08.620 with the lotus eaters since you've been with them take care god bless and i hope that all goes well for you

01:25:18.860 with your future endeavors oh thank you very much mate it's very wholesome for those for those out of the

01:25:23.940 loop who didn't watch my show you should um yeah next next week will be my last lotus eaters.com next

01:25:29.920 wednesday so we'll we'll have a rip-roaring send-off on that daily podcast i think it'll be good fun

01:25:34.280 let's go for the next one and now some man and his very ridiculously young tech bros are

01:25:41.960 taking away the careers of lifelong federal employees

01:25:46.460 yeah

01:25:47.940 yeah i love that video so much

01:25:58.880 i mean you know i like to see federal employees getting fired let's go to the next one

01:26:03.420 i think it's pancake day yes it's pancake day it must be

01:26:28.680 someone send that to drug puff for uk aesthetics well you know what that's that i think is an old

01:26:37.440 tv show from like 2003 or something i remember watching first time round and haven't seen it

01:26:42.700 since but one one thing one thing that's worth doing is going back and watching these sort of

01:26:47.560 uh tv shows early 2000s and there's a profound sense of innocence around them right there's like

01:26:54.400 they don't know what's going on and everything is just oh yeah everything's totally fine we're

01:26:57.920 living in the end of history you can see already the paradigm that is being brought into existence

01:27:03.560 subversion is beginning it's it's not just subversion it's it's the fact that the the setting

01:27:09.280 for the total disarmament of the british people on a sort of moral and cultural level is is already

01:27:15.760 there and these people just aren't living the effects of it so they're like oh no this is what

01:27:19.360 being a good person is and so they're swanning around just like ha ha ha it's fine then you realize

01:27:24.160 that what they're doing is completely humiliating our civilization they're just literally opening

01:27:28.540 the door for the complete replacement of themselves as moral agents and it's embarrassing

01:27:33.980 to watch frankly um anyway let's go to the next one i didn't realize how many video comments

01:27:38.120 i went to work on saturday and forgot to bring the card reader with me i know what a dunce which meant

01:27:42.460 that i was physically incapable of accepting electronic payments for the entire day and had to take cash

01:27:46.380 as a result i realized just how reliant people are on technology and how much control of our own

01:27:50.500 property we've surrendered for convenience at least a hundred people couldn't withdraw cash from the

01:27:54.460 atm 10 meters away because they'd not brought their card believing they wouldn't need it and so they

01:27:58.320 couldn't make even the smallest purchase oh also i saw a study this morning suggesting that sex

01:28:03.040 change surgeries doubles the rate of depression in people with gender dysphoria which actually

01:28:06.340 came out my birthday so that's fun but you are right about the cash thing and you're right about

01:28:11.640 the sex change surgeries oh yeah yeah that's true is there another one no that's a lot uh lord

01:28:18.360 narivar says the terrifying thing about ukraine uh is that starmer government is now actively

01:28:22.680 publicly considering sending british men to die on foreign step and the boomers by and large are still

01:28:27.900 clapping like seals for it these are your children and grandchildren boomerism is incurable unfortunately

01:28:33.460 it is umar says the eu burephiles i like that uh has to play ukrainian potato because there is

01:28:41.260 no nato there's just u.s military if trump takes his ball home they'll have no real way to put up

01:28:46.000 resistance against russia without pyrrhic losses in the end trump tells europe to fund their own

01:28:50.180 defense so either they stop war he gets what he wants or they pay for it and he gets what he wants

01:28:54.260 i mean why would you fight for europe why would you fight for these things if you're a young man what

01:28:58.900 would you be upholding you know you'd have to be part of the reddit battalion to want to uphold

01:29:03.580 this give me the opportunity to defend the borders or to take part in the deportations and i'm there

01:29:08.720 day one yeah yeah sure like you know if i'm gonna uphold a patriotic order that doesn't say

01:29:14.940 oh we can't recruit you for the military because you're a useless white man then maybe i'll think

01:29:19.820 twice um mathurin says starmer's speech background music made it sound like he was from super earth

01:29:26.480 yeah that's quite interesting like some hell divers you didn't play it it was very good to hell divers

01:29:31.640 um but yeah like starmer trying to play the patriot is kind of embarrassing and i don't like it

01:29:36.260 someone online says in school the smaller weak kid gets suspended if he fights back

01:29:40.340 nothing happens if the bully beats him to a pulp this is called zero tolerance yeah it is a drawing

01:29:45.160 of a false equivalency between the person who hits and the person who retaliates i had this all the

01:29:49.720 time at school we had we had this maoist punishment called the hotspot so they would stand you underneath

01:29:54.240 the classroom windows facing the schoolyard where everyone was playing and you had to stand there

01:29:58.640 silently for the entire hour lunch duration and if you spoke to someone who would inevitably come up to

01:30:03.020 and ask you why you were on it you'd be placed on it the next day jesus it's demented it's actually

01:30:09.160 like psychological torture for a primary school child state schools are just awful yeah this is

01:30:14.700 why i just tell my son just fight back and we'll worry about it um colin said i did see it suggested

01:30:20.300 by youtube that perhaps the eu is expecting the results of the meeting if in this case uh having

01:30:25.120 the meeting in public may actually have gone a long way to undermine the public effort of the eu's

01:30:29.420 oddly coincidental meltdown i i think they're just not really uh right yeah they're not really very

01:30:34.920 bright they're not coordinating very well and they didn't expect trump to essentially i mean trump said

01:30:40.600 in the in the meeting look you know do as you want do as we want or you get nothing i don't think they

01:30:45.140 expected him to follow through on it and trump's like well they're so used to words not meaning anything

01:30:49.760 yeah it's like no trump is a new york businessman he's going to do what he says you know

01:30:54.760 uh and there's uh lots of people who are grinding their teeth at your uh segment which i don't blame

01:31:03.260 them for because it was very annoying uh but it's one of those things that we have to cover because

01:31:07.180 otherwise how would you know about it blood pressure will lower in my absence well no not really we

01:31:12.200 still cover these things even in your absence um okay well anyway we're out of time there so thank

01:31:16.600 you very much folks for joining us uh we'll be back tomorrow at the same time so have a great afternoon

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - March 04, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1113

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