The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1117

00:00:00.000 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the lotus eases for monday the 10th

00:00:04.440 of march 2025 i'm joined by stelios it is unfortunately a monday but should be a good

00:00:09.980 show today we have a lot on so in fact let's just crack on with it because it's been a stressful

00:00:16.540 weekend friday friday evening stuff started exploding and then it kept exploding all weekend

00:00:22.680 and it's still exploding on monday so it has been unbelievably bad and also i'm gonna talk about the

00:00:29.440 massacre of christians and alawites in syria and i had to look at all these videos during the weekend

00:00:35.040 so it's horrifying yeah so um rupert lowe a reform mp and possibly the most popular reform mp after

00:00:43.380 nigel farage has been suspended from the party following a series of allegations that we are

00:00:48.700 going to go through these allegations are very strangely worded and things have come out that

00:00:55.940 suggest that maybe um the wording was designed to make people think one thing while actually saying

00:01:03.960 another uh so we'll get to that shortly before we do islander number three is on sale it's on sale for

00:01:10.060 i think another two weeks so get it while you can because when it's gone it won't be coming back

00:01:13.520 and let's begin so rupert lowe is a known quantity a lot of people didn't know who rupert lowe was

00:01:20.720 uh before he became an mp for reform and i didn't and but this is something that is down to the fact

00:01:27.340 that he was involved in a in an area of life that if you weren't paying attention to of course you

00:01:32.160 would have never heard of him uh he was a successful businessman he began in banking uh became a

00:01:37.660 successful businessman managing nursing homes and then in the 1990s took over southampton football club

00:01:42.880 which is my dad's football club uh and became the manager for a decade now i don't follow football at

00:01:47.900 so i had no idea about any of this um he did for more than a decade in fact and in 2019 nigel farage

00:01:55.380 asked him to stand for the brexit party uh and he became an mp uh in 2023 he returned to reform uk as

00:02:03.200 their business and agriculture spokesman then he contested the 2024 kingswood by-election came in

00:02:08.720 third place with more than 10 percent uh which was the best by-election they'd ever received until

00:02:14.360 ben habib got 13 in a by-election and then in the july 2024 election he stood for the great yarmouth

00:02:20.100 and won 35.3 percent of the vote making him an mp uh he is also the mp who donates his entire salary

00:02:27.420 as an mp to charity every month because of course he's independently wealthy and therefore doesn't

00:02:33.100 need it and so recently uh he did an interview with the daily mail in which he said that nigel farage

00:02:40.540 acts somewhat like a messiah and he had a few other criticisms in there as well about the party

00:02:46.660 structure and he says quote we need to start behaving as if we are leading and not merely protesting

00:02:51.680 this was taken very badly by reform and nigel farage and they went to report him to the police

00:03:00.240 why yeah why exactly suddenly suddenly yeah suddenly the day afterwards a series of allegations were

00:03:08.460 made against rupert lowe uh which the timing seemed more than coincidental uh you had isabel oakshot

00:03:18.040 going on talk tv and smirking about how naive richard was poor little richard doesn't understand how

00:03:23.900 politics works and then suddenly bam you've been reporting to the police uh for several allegations

00:03:29.460 including workplace bullying made by two female employees and again and one against zia yusuf as

00:03:36.840 well which came as something as a surprise because rupert lowe well like i said he's a known quantity

00:03:44.440 uh he doesn't seem to be a very aggressive person personally and uh it seems unlikely that a 67 year

00:03:51.960 old man would be trying to bully a 38 year old man as well and also these are accusations as you said

00:03:57.880 it's just one thing for accusations to be made and quite another for them to be proven true

00:04:02.180 whatever they are yeah whether they are ridiculous or not completely correct but also it seems to me

00:04:07.280 that we're talking about two completely different kinds of people here because you are not representing

00:04:12.120 you're not talking about a career politician you're talking about someone who is who has made

00:04:19.080 a whole career in in in the market let's say yeah it's not where he isn't just constantly rescued by

00:04:26.380 other people and so his mentality is going to be different that's how i'm i want i'm interpreting

00:04:31.960 the statement he made about leading rather than reacting yeah i mean the the what these are our

00:04:36.840 constructive criticisms right what he had made were constructive criticisms that were actually useful to

00:04:42.200 the party say look we need to have an established front bench that people can uh buy into if they

00:04:49.100 want to see what would what would our government look like will it be this person there that person

00:04:52.220 there that person there these are these are criticisms i've made myself they are sensible criticisms

00:04:56.460 um instead reform are still acting as if they're not the next government which i don't think was up until

00:05:04.880 this point true i mean they were doing very very well in the polls and there was no reason to think

00:05:09.220 they shouldn't be planning for government actually and i've been predicting this for a while but

00:05:14.060 anyway so this was the statement they put on the 7th uh signed by lee anderson and zia yusuf it is with

00:05:20.080 regret we feel obligated to disclose that the party received complaints from two female employees about

00:05:24.360 serious bullying in the offices of the member of parliament for great yarmouth right about serious

00:05:30.720 bullying in the offices of rupert lowe and then we are going to suspend rupert

00:05:39.200 lowe which in people's minds creates a natural connection there is bullying in the offices of

00:05:44.900 rupert lowe we are suspending rupert lowe ergo a normal reasonable person would assume that that

00:05:50.840 means rupert lowe had been bullying someone and therefore he is suspended pending investigation

00:05:55.700 hmm interesting it seems to me to be entirely a recipe for disaster because if you suspend members of

00:06:04.120 your party especially members who are actually very vocal and are among the most popular of your party

00:06:10.680 if you suspend them merely on the accusation that they've done something wrong then you're

00:06:16.120 communicating to p to everyone in the political sphere if you want me if you want someone out of

00:06:23.000 my party just accuse them and i'll do so readily yeah i mean he said they say here evidence was provided

00:06:29.100 to us of workplace bullying the targeting of female staff who raised concerns and evidence of derogatory

00:06:34.280 and discriminatory remarks made about women including reference to a perceived disability

00:06:38.260 okay but was it by rupert because notice what they're not saying there is rupert lowe there is

00:06:45.260 evidence that rupert lowe did these things so far they have not actually pointed the finger at

00:06:50.360 rupert what they have said is his offices have done this and so that's very very interesting isn't it and

00:06:56.820 what's also interesting is apparently these complaints were made in december so they have

00:07:02.200 sat on these complaints for three months and it's only after rupert lowe suggests that nigel farage

00:07:08.860 considers himself some sort of political messiah for reform and doesn't play well with others that

00:07:15.220 suddenly this all comes out well the timing hasn't escaped anyone of course and nigel farage put out a

00:07:21.600 statement in the telegraph saying quote reform has acted responsibly over rupert lowe well okay why

00:07:26.800 exactly did you wait three months why didn't you do it on the day that you received these

00:07:31.040 allegations why did what why three months why not two months why not a week why not that day

00:07:36.640 um he says and this again pay attention very closely to the wording that is being used here

00:07:42.480 so far there's no actual allegation against rupert lowe they've just suspended him uh if the last

00:07:47.660 general election has taught us anything so the public does not like political parties that engage in

00:07:51.160 constant infighting right okay so that's nothing to do with an allegation uh thanks to one of our

00:07:57.160 mps rupert lowe unloading a barrage of criticisms against our operations and its main actors that

00:08:02.480 sense of unity has been dented right so this is the real issue here is that rupert and this is how

00:08:09.120 he begins it that sense of unity has been dented third paragraph in so the main issue the primary

00:08:16.720 thing they lead with is that rupert lowe criticized the party in public well rupert lowe says that

00:08:22.520 he'd been trying to raise these criticisms in private but was getting stonewalled so who knows

00:08:27.400 anyway moving on further down he says uh someone quite far down here actually there we go uh

00:08:34.580 zia yusuf the chairman showed me two letters sent by female members of staff to our party headquarters

00:08:40.000 each contained an each letter contained an accusation of workplace bullying involving mr lowe

00:08:46.700 right involving but not by mr lowe very very exactly exactly slippery word but also accusations

00:08:55.720 yeah i'm not saying they're they're false but they're not necessarily true either sure but uh

00:09:02.220 remains to be seen i agree but the the wording is the thing to to pay attention to an accusation of

00:09:09.000 workplace bullying involving mr lowe now stelios if you were bullying harry then and i came over and

00:09:16.120 said stelios you have to stop that you could render a an accusation of workplace bullying in

00:09:21.380 load seeders involving me even though i would be the one directly in seeding stopping you from

00:09:26.540 bullying harry just to be clear stelios is a lovely gentleman and would never bully harry also harry is

00:09:30.920 a giant um so it would be difficult for you to do but the point is that would be technically involving

00:09:36.360 me the language would be correct even though it would be misleading and again no direct not by

00:09:42.400 rupert lowe just involving rupert lowe well it's his office so you can expand this to quite as well as

00:09:48.920 you know it's your your demands why aren't you dealing with this thing in your office so it could mean

00:09:52.980 someone else did whatever they did and look miss and rupert lowe was present or was in the office

00:09:59.640 or something maybe he wasn't even present but it's his office anyway so ultimately the buck has to stop with

00:10:03.720 him right so uh that's interesting and so he says well he finishes by saying well it's it's so important

00:10:09.200 that our party and every single one of our representatives behaves responsibly at all times

00:10:14.560 well there's not actually an allegation of rupert lowe behaving irresponsibly in this

00:10:19.360 there's just a series of very very cunningly worded statements to imply that rupert lowe has done

00:10:29.300 something there is no direct allegation in all of this the question is we need to the the point is

00:10:35.200 we need to look read between the lines and when they are using language like that they use the notion

00:10:40.120 of responsibility it's it's an abstract concept you need to flesh it out you need to understand how the

00:10:45.620 person is using it and most probably it's as you said in the in the very beginning that behaving

00:10:51.780 responsibly consists in never criticizing the party line it appears to be the reform opinion on what

00:10:58.700 responsible behavior is anyway so rupert lowe took to twitter to make a very long and detailed

00:11:04.360 uh rebuttal of this saying quote these allegations are not against me personally but the office both

00:11:10.860 of these employees only raised their complaints once disciplinary proceedings started against both of

00:11:15.080 them for serious offenses they both admitted to these offenses no complaints whatsoever before

00:11:19.200 parliamentary hr were involved every step of the way and full parliamentary process was followed

00:11:23.300 one of the individuals later dropped her appeal they were parliamentary employees not

00:11:27.600 reform employees now he again he goes on uh at length saying that he has obviously complied with

00:11:33.800 everything that's happening and that um he has plenty of evidence to back up what he's saying and

00:11:40.220 things like this and i'm sure that when this all goes to court as it's inevitably going to i think at

00:11:44.480 this point uh we'll get to see exactly what the details are uh rupert also claims to have been

00:11:49.660 completely cooperative and received this from the parliamentary king's council now for anyone not british

00:11:56.180 that's just a senior lawyer basically who has given uh she has given rupert this advice uh says quote

00:12:04.300 i advised that you should simply say the party was precipitous to state that these allegations have been

00:12:09.720 made without also saying that the party had commissioned an independent investigation and the

00:12:14.100 investigation not yet gotten away to look at all the evidence and evaluate feracity um he also then

00:12:19.000 says so the the the council is saying well the party seems to have acted a bit too swiftly

00:12:23.840 yeah without doing the things they ought to have done in order to make sure that this investigation

00:12:29.460 was going to go ahead with the process but also the question is who has the burden of proof here

00:12:34.400 well the the people making the allegation exactly um but the the the thing again okay if this had been

00:12:41.260 done on say wednesday last week okay maybe one could understand but no it was in december they had all

00:12:47.060 the time in the world to get this done there's no reason that they should be jumping the gun on this

00:12:52.040 because this apparently happened months ago um the uh notice he says there he spoke he's spoken to

00:12:57.800 the casey at length on the phone and through message i've got to know over the last week she's been

00:13:01.000 very helpful charming lady who's trying to do her job in a very difficult position and uh he in another

00:13:06.120 message says that uh she she's been shocked uh by this and so she had to publicly say no actually i

00:13:14.160 don't i i don't say that i'm shocked so what i'm thinking here is that rupert's probably picked up

00:13:18.880 the phone she said oh yeah that's terrible um but she was appointed by reform and so if she seems to

00:13:24.720 be sympathetic to his cause well she's not going to get any more appointments by reform is she so

00:13:30.440 she is actually employed by reform against him and so she comes out and says well look um uh

00:13:38.020 she said the lawyer herself who's not been named uh but the part whose credentials have been verified

00:13:43.420 by the bbc says i've seen a number of statements made by mr low which are attributed to me and describe

00:13:47.640 my reactions to the process conducted by the party into the allegations made i find myself in the

00:13:52.720 unfortunate and regrettable position of having to make this statement to correct the record i have

00:13:56.840 not expressed either dismay or shock at this time or any time uh to the process nor have i said there

00:14:03.140 is zero credible evidence against mr low let alone said this repeatedly uh well those were low statements

00:14:08.400 about there being zero credible evidence as far as i'm aware um but okay so she didn't say she was

00:14:14.600 dismayed or shocked and again i get the feeling that she's kind of got to say this uh because she

00:14:20.240 needs to cover for herself with her bosses she can't rupert low probably shouldn't have made her

00:14:25.300 sound so sympathetic frankly but okay small small thing not in any way germane to the substance of what

00:14:31.360 is being talked about and that's an important thing to remember she hasn't said that rupert low

00:14:35.560 is guilty or something like this uh and she hasn't retracted her statement that

00:14:40.480 the reform party acted precipitously they obviously did so the next thing that happened

00:14:46.800 was that many many many many people came out and said what rupert low was bullying someone

00:14:54.200 because like i said rupert low is low is a known quantity and people have been working for him for

00:14:59.760 years so this is uh david maddox who is the political editor of the independent now the independent

00:15:06.600 is one of the most left-wing newspapers in the country they are insanely woke insanely remainer

00:15:12.640 they led a remain campaign for years after the brexit vote they have been absolutely as woke on

00:15:19.020 pronouns and immigration and everything else the only thing they've actually been good on is grooming

00:15:23.140 gangs actually uh the independent has actually been really firm on the grooming gang issue but on

00:15:27.840 every other issue they've taken the most radically left-wing stance in the world and so when the

00:15:32.620 political editor of the independent comes out and says well hang on a second i interviewed uh all of

00:15:38.160 the other brexit party me uh meps six years and so they've been working with rupert over six years

00:15:44.560 and i asked the other ones if there are any signs of trouble with low then and they said no

00:15:48.540 they described him as a team player with a teddy bear personality well how convenient that someone who

00:15:54.600 hasn't had a whole career in politics ends up being a very popular mp and suddenly gets allegations

00:16:01.920 on character despite having a whole career of no stain absolutely reputation i mean rupert lowe was

00:16:09.560 the manager of uh southampton fc when matt letizia was there and matt letizia said from what i know

00:16:15.400 about rupert lowe these accusations would be incredibly out of character and there were there

00:16:19.700 were loads of others i featured in a stream i did the other day whereas a woman saying look i've known

00:16:23.480 him for 45 years there's no way he was bullying a couple of women in his office this is nonsense and

00:16:29.320 exactly as you say you know oh he comes out criticizes uh nigel farage and reform and suddenly

00:16:35.880 oh yeah actually it's just as a star is rising that he becomes a really bad person which you know i mean

00:16:41.160 i'm just saying you know at 67 years old people aren't inclined to change that much actually i think

00:16:45.840 your character is probably fairly well set by that point but anyway another thing is and again this just

00:16:51.080 you can't help but notice this remarkable pattern here but it was rupert lowe who's basically doing the

00:16:56.500 work right rupert lowe is the only person in reform basically doing any work so you get to submit

00:17:02.080 written questions to the government that the government has to answer so they're a useful

00:17:06.120 weapon as wolf here points out for backbenchers to actually get the government to admit things

00:17:11.380 otherwise wouldn't want to admit and rupert lowe submitted 965 of these he's only been an mp for

00:17:17.280 six months so that's an incredibly high rate of work that luke rupert lowe's been doing

00:17:22.340 tyson's done 120 and farage himself has done 20 so i'm starting to see what's going on here

00:17:29.500 i i i think uh rupert lowe has been excellent in communicating and also criticizing the government

00:17:35.940 he's been superb he has been superb and every statement of his is incredibly polished and

00:17:41.020 professional yes and he was the one who managed to smooth over the tommy robinson issue for example

00:17:45.860 because nigel kept dropping the ball on it and rupert lowe came out and said no we appreciate what he's

00:17:51.000 done but we need to move on and actually get this fixed but this um the the whole ordeal that

00:17:55.880 happened during the weekend i think is a refutation of a theory that several reform fans have according

00:18:03.440 to which they said that nigel needs to take a step back he is being criticized as not being like trump

00:18:09.700 but the system is different here and the and his mps need to need to uh win in their constituencies

00:18:18.520 and he has to sort of go back and allow them room to breathe but it looks like rupert lowe made the

00:18:24.620 most out of it and he's that was exactly punished for it so this theory is being refuted yes so i mean

00:18:30.980 not only was richard rupert lowe doing the work in the parliament he was also doing the work in the party

00:18:36.920 rupert lowe was apparently hosting a dinner for reform donors hours before he was reported to police by

00:18:43.600 so rupert lowe is there fundraising for the party he's there in parliament all the time and often

00:18:49.400 you'll only see rupert lowe on his own in the parliament standing there you know making a statement

00:18:54.700 and even then that's still not good enough which is very interesting he was there with nick candy

00:19:00.140 and so the bbc went down to great yarmouth and said okay well what do people in great yarmouth think

00:19:05.380 of rupert lowe and my god yeah like this is bad news for farage i would say i mean you can see

00:19:12.840 angela grout said she was gobsmacked by the developments saying uh that she had had an

00:19:18.760 issue with her local housing uh housing issue with the local council rupert lowe had intervened and the

00:19:23.380 problem was resolved the following day he's a great guy she said he's been doing a lot for great

00:19:27.900 yarmouth lowe was described as the best mp great yarmouth ever had by chris brian from hemsby a village

00:19:33.120 in the constituency which is suffering from severe coastal erosion he's done more for us with the

00:19:37.540 flood defenses giving money to good causes no disrespect but the last mp was about as useful as

00:19:42.680 an ashtray on a motorbike uh norman uh said norman runs an antique shop near great yarmouth's

00:19:49.020 marketplace praised lowe for donating his salary to a range of charities local charities in great

00:19:53.380 yarmouth instantly again like if you want to pick a fight with someone try not picking a fight with

00:19:59.200 the one guy in parliament who's good right the one good guy in parliament like he says uh he's a rich

00:20:07.280 man so he's not doing it for the money is he he's doing it to help this area yeah what else could

00:20:11.000 you take from this you could say that this is precisely why they're waging war again well well

00:20:16.240 yes actually that's you could say that uh so yeah you know rupert lowe basically is saving puppies all

00:20:22.340 over great yarmouth and the people of great yarmouth the bbc again the bbc of every reason to come out

00:20:28.020 against rupert lowe rupert lowe is as far as they're concerned like hard right when it comes to

00:20:32.040 like immigration and things like this uh the independent every reason to hate rupert lowe

00:20:35.720 because he's far right as far as they're concerned and yet what do they get when they go around asking

00:20:41.180 people in the streets cherise pollard says this is the first thing i've heard about them that's negative

00:20:45.600 the first bad thing anyone's ever said and the worst thing they have in this article about rupert lowe

00:20:52.020 from one of the residents is david and his wife who says well we're not huge fans because he's not

00:20:57.080 from around here no he's not he's not from around there and that's it he's he's not from around

00:21:02.640 here which is the worst thing that they can say and so lots of people found this sus uh on gb news

00:21:09.080 and talk tv lots of people were like well hang on a second it's obvious they'd had enough of lowe and

00:21:13.320 just wanted to get rid of him uh this appears to be premeditated there was another one uh but uh i've

00:21:18.600 obviously got the wrong link twice so anyway this was all fascinating uh and seemed like an obvious

00:21:25.060 premeditated way that they'd kept in their back pocket so when rupert lowe finally becomes too

00:21:29.800 big for his boots and dares criticize nigel farage one too many times and remember elon musk was like

00:21:35.660 nigel farage isn't the guy he doesn't have what it takes rupert lowe's good reform needs a new leader

00:21:40.840 well you can tell i think at that point rupert lowe's a marked man and so they kept this in

00:21:45.580 their back pocket it's a it's an allegation well let's go to the allegation actually because andrew

00:21:49.740 bridgen one of the allegations was made by one of his former parliamentary aides and he says she

00:21:55.780 went to went on went on to work for rupert lowe she is one of the staff involved in these allegations

00:22:00.580 against him she has told me that her original complaint had nothing to do with rupert personally

00:22:05.420 and was related to the actions of another member of his staff right so this means that and the other

00:22:13.320 one dropped the allegation right and it wasn't against rupert anyway it was against someone else

00:22:19.160 and so rupert tweets out the main staff member involved has confirmed her allegations are not

00:22:23.800 about me the second staff member's allegations were also not about me so there are as far as i'm aware

00:22:29.420 apart from the allegation from zia yusuf of rupert bullying him there are and again that doesn't seem

00:22:36.720 to be the thing people are focusing on like zia yusuf hasn't made a statement about or anything like

00:22:40.760 this it's been about and nigel fros didn't make the statement about zia yusuf um and so

00:22:45.440 what are the allegations well there seems to me to be a sort of um very it's very disruptive

00:22:54.980 behavior it seems intentionally disruptive because it's let's make accusations let's project

00:23:02.700 misogyny that women are not particularly against it looks like it they're trying to create a kind of

00:23:08.580 woke allegation they try to create a stain and they know that in the general public this is going to

00:23:14.420 this is going to stick theoretically in previous eras it might have stuck but rupert lowe's a good

00:23:21.020 man and he's obviously been doing the right thing and people really like him for it you know his own

00:23:24.620 constituency like best mp we've ever had like he's actually solving my problems and so obviously we need

00:23:30.400 to splatter him with this muck but again the allegations are not actually about him so why are we even

00:23:38.220 having this conversation if not the fact that rupert lowe is starting to make nigel farage feel

00:23:43.460 inferior well people who are independent financially are less easy to control you know what put a pin

00:23:50.360 in that because we'll come back to that in a minute right because that is basically the issue here

00:23:54.360 and so lee anderson replied to this just before the podcast said uh the independent case in the king's

00:24:01.860 council investigating the allegations already publicly rebuked mr lowe for making false claims

00:24:05.880 right okay yeah she publicly rebuked him for saying that she was sympathetic to his plight

00:24:10.220 not that he was innocent or guilty not the allegations were even against him lee what a

00:24:15.720 slimy way of approaching it this is the sort of thing i'd expect from the bbc lee the way that they

00:24:20.580 would try and paste over the actual detail of the fact in order to make it seem like that person was

00:24:27.240 a bad person this is precisely the kind of thing they've done to you so it's very disappointing to

00:24:32.500 you doing it to rupert lowe but then he says as the casey statement makes clear the written complaints

00:24:37.720 include allegations about the conduct of mr lowe where where are they because in the written

00:24:43.660 statement that you've made it was the office of rupert lowe and both of the complainants have

00:24:49.520 apparently come out and said no it's not about lowe himself so why are you saying this this is in

00:24:53.580 direct contradiction and i'd like to see some evidence what are the allegations show me the actual

00:24:58.520 written allegations i mean in fact i replied to this and he got 379 likes oh 2300 where are where

00:25:04.820 are the allegations show us the written allegations that you've sent to the police word for word that

00:25:09.700 name rupert lowe and what he's done so he can at least defend himself why is this uh does this

00:25:14.900 constitute uh no respecting why can't he defend himself well that's another great question isn't it

00:25:21.220 why shouldn't you're you're doing everything you can to publicly def not i don't say defame but

00:25:26.100 to publicly blacken his reputation why should he not come out and use his public platform to defend

00:25:32.440 himself in fact it seems crazy that he wouldn't especially as it seems i mean i'm not really

00:25:37.120 inclined to believe he was being a bully well i'm going to take the people who knew him for literally

00:25:41.280 decades over you know whatever's happening here i think an important issue of communication is quantity

00:25:49.200 so as you said in the very beginning the way they framed the accusations they wanted to create to link

00:25:54.280 the the image of rupert lowe as a bully to the to the accusations and they wanted to this to be the main

00:26:03.180 message that was going to be heard but the more rupert lowe is defending himself and other people are

00:26:08.740 defending rupert lowe the more the quantity shifts and he comes off as someone who is basically defending

00:26:17.440 himself other people are saying well if we trust what andrew bridgen wrote the allegations aren't

00:26:25.540 exactly what they seemed they aren't about him well even in even in reform's own statement it was the

00:26:32.200 allegations were against the office of rupert lowe you would just say against rupert lowe if the

00:26:37.100 allegations with him personally if he personally had been bullying two women who were working for him

00:26:41.760 the allegations would be well why wouldn't it be why wouldn't the allegation be directly against him

00:26:45.660 it's it's crazy that reformer being so slimy about this and this is genuinely i'm i'm genuinely

00:26:51.820 disgusted by what not only zeer yusuf and lee anderson have done but the fact that nigel farage has come

00:26:58.100 out and again slimed him as well this is disgraceful it's absolutely disgraceful and i i just don't see

00:27:02.940 how rupert lowe warrants this for his mild constructive criticism that you could otherwise have just taken

00:27:08.500 on board and benefited from like to do what rupert lowe suggested in the beginning in the daily mail

00:27:13.640 interview would have been good for reform and made you a stronger and more robust party instead you've

00:27:19.460 lent into this bizarre fragility and the politics of smearing people just like the mainstream media

00:27:26.300 it's just really gross and it's not lost on the conservatives like this is uh the shadow home

00:27:32.640 secretary chris phillip uh coming out and saying look he got stabbed in the back by his own party he's

00:27:37.180 welcome to join the conservatives why wouldn't he why wouldn't he in in a year's time rupert lowe

00:27:42.140 might be leading the conservatives like why you what a fumble this will be if that happens like who

00:27:48.660 knows i don't want to see the conservatives resurrected out of obscurity but who knows it

00:27:53.500 could well be that that happens because of this bizarre fear of taking even the most mild criticism

00:28:00.660 but we'll get on to why that might be in a minute um any last thoughts before we get to the

00:28:05.340 comments no i mean it it should absolutely not be the case because if you want to have a big party

00:28:11.200 it can't be just structured around one person and everything that that one person says oh really

00:28:17.000 that sounds sounds like you're against profound yeah that sounds like you're against messianic

00:28:21.200 politics delios yeah but i mean a lot of the times people don't get the obvious and the mistakes

00:28:26.420 we are pointing out are obvious so i think that uh yes i mean if reform is to to become a larger

00:28:32.880 pop party it's going to accommodate more voices yeah so you mean you just think you'd have to i'll

00:28:39.560 do a video at some point explaining the kind of difference uh paradigms that and foolish paradigms

00:28:44.540 that we've adopted but uh dan tubs has sent in a super chat hello dan saying quote absolutely

00:28:49.920 champing at the bit to get into this reform implosion tomorrow so i guess dan's covering this some more

00:28:55.160 tomorrow but the thing is there's i'm just covering stuff that has covered that happened over the

00:28:59.240 weekend loads of stuff has happened this morning and i've just got to the the end of it like by

00:29:04.920 tomorrow there's going to be a whole slate of other things that have happened um which is just there was

00:29:10.060 no need for this unforced error and you can tell that this is kind of bitchy mean girl politics that

00:29:15.160 is being uh weaponized against someone who seems to be from literally all the evidence a really decent

00:29:21.820 chap who's done the right thing like rupert lowe giving his salary away like actually writing the

00:29:27.500 letters to the parliamentarians actually fixing things for people in this constituency like i wish

00:29:32.240 our mps were that good i just genuinely wish um neo amila says once again farage acts as a gatekeeper

00:29:39.120 of any rising right-wing figure who develops a profile or popularity independent of unraveling his

00:29:44.020 uh i suspect elon saw this when he said farage isn't that yeah but we'll talk about that in the

00:29:48.000 next segment actually uh dog breath that says rupert is in favor of remigration the party chairman

00:29:53.300 is a mohammedian uh you do the sums well i don't want to i don't want to say that zia you said has

00:29:58.880 a particular opinion just because he is of a muslim heritage like because there are muslims who are

00:30:05.040 against mass immigration as swamping britain with foreigners like i don't know i don't know much

00:30:09.820 about zia you says actual political opinions other than the sort of basic civ nap talking points that

00:30:14.200 he espouses which themselves do not warrant uh flooding a country with foreign immigrants so it's i don't i

00:30:23.160 don't want to go directly against zira yusuf's uh personal uh beliefs and morality here but there

00:30:28.460 are other things i think that are an issue here um sigil stone says i can't see the difference

00:30:32.760 between nigel and grima worm tongue with king theoden being played by the right-wing british public

00:30:37.300 that's good that's yeah we cannot deport the ismus my lord their diversity is our strength well that's

00:30:43.120 an interesting thing isn't it uh bald eagle says farage is pulling a merkle both destroyed all

00:30:48.640 upcoming leaders to their party to maintain maintain power and control one crippled her party the

00:30:53.120 other is going to kill his party binary says i've run dozens of major hr investigations and contact

00:30:58.080 in my conduct in my working life reforms behavior is almost a textbook example of what not to do

00:31:04.580 prejudicial and premature conclusions at every stage yeah binary that's because rupert lowe i don't think

00:31:09.760 has done anything wrong right i'd be very surprised to hear that rupert lowe was manhandling or beating up

00:31:15.060 some labor mp on the other side of things again like rupert lowe's you know i'm sure i'm fine health

00:31:21.160 he's he's a retiree you know like i'm not i'm not taking those allegations that seriously um but this

00:31:28.540 is not about actually finding truth right this is about destroying rupert lowe's reputation um glees

00:31:34.800 says rupert lowe you've committed crimes against nigel and his ego what do you say in your defense and

00:31:38.380 that's basically what it comes down to um anyway so let's um let's move on so what exactly is nigel

00:31:46.380 farage's problem because it seems that there is one consistent factor amongst all of the problems

00:31:53.900 that uh ukip have had the brexit party you've had now reform are having that all seem to have one

00:31:59.560 common denominator and that appears to be nigel farage himself and it is not a secret that nigel

00:32:05.940 farage has uh killed off more right-wing careers than the left has it's not a secret by any stretch

00:32:12.800 of the imagination before we begin islander 3 is on sale go and get it now it's only about two weeks

00:32:17.620 is the best thing you'll read this year until the next issue of islander obviously um so go and get

00:32:23.200 that now so rupert lowe uh has apparently been banished uh he has been banished from the from the

00:32:31.100 party for life after he crossed nigel farage by questioning his leadership uh the daily mail has

00:32:37.020 report has learned from quote senior reform people are privately saying that mr lowe will never be

00:32:42.300 allowed back one said rupert can complain all he likes but he won't get be getting the whip back

00:32:46.820 he has crossed nigel and the political world is littered with the bodies who have done that

00:32:51.180 and that's true that is a true statement uh remember when uh elon musk endorsed rupert lowe

00:32:58.700 and of course condemned nigel farage uh he elon musk also uh retweeted various other things um

00:33:06.740 well this this was i think when the target was put on lowe's head and so the disgusting work of

00:33:14.380 what i just i can only call mean girl politics is being done by farage and his team it's the

00:33:20.720 politics of character assassination and this is disgusting and i loathe it in every form i see it

00:33:27.680 if someone has a problem with someone else don't go poisoning the well address them directly

00:33:31.420 be direct be a man is how i would respond uh so anyway rupert lowe tweeted i've been informed by

00:33:38.200 a reliable source that senior reform figures have been briefing journalists that i have dementia

00:33:42.800 in politics as rough and tumble i get that but this is sick what they're doing to me is disgusting

00:33:46.660 yes that is exactly true they are deliberately now trying to create a narrative of smears and again if

00:33:53.740 you listen to rupert loan interviews it's very clear that this is obvious bs right i mean he he has

00:33:59.500 more clarity than all the others combined because and that's one of the actually he actually can

00:34:06.060 formulate arguments yes good questions yes the philosophy of the issues because rupert lowe has

00:34:12.780 a history of being a businessman where you have to be a clear communicator if you want people to

00:34:17.000 understand what you want and to give you their money right so it's like rupert does a great job

00:34:21.040 giving his speeches in parliament or wherever else at reform conferences and you can tell that someone

00:34:26.680 feels upstaged exactly he's very specific and detailed he has an eye for details he's not just

00:34:32.040 throwing platitudes that's correct and so they just come out with just various again in the telegraph so

00:34:38.480 the right wing uh papers in britain uh quote sources close to mr farage claim that mr lowe has drifted

00:34:45.920 politically from the leader oh right that's interesting quote being captured by the online radical right

00:34:52.360 with myriad x posts about mass deportations and other preoccupations is that really the online

00:34:58.220 radical right or is that actually the most populous position on the concept of immigration in the country

00:35:04.000 right so i mean this is a yougov survey only from last year would you support or oppose a move to

00:35:09.700 increase the number of deportations of illegal immigrants in the uk two-thirds of people like

00:35:13.600 yeah i support or strongly support and only 20 percent of people say i oppose or tend to oppose

00:35:18.580 like yes that's not fringe online radical right-wing politics that's normal mainstream politics you

00:35:25.440 weirdos like fringe radical politics online uh like kenya west stuff you know like that non that kind of

00:35:32.620 nonsense this is totally mainstream british not i mean is it even conservative i imagine like let's

00:35:39.140 actually uh can we go to the politics on this yeah so uh labor supporters that's 60 percent nearly at 58

00:35:46.640 percent of labor supporters support or strongly support like deporting illegals like even liberal

00:35:53.520 democrats are more than half agree even more than half of liberal democrats agree like that we need

00:35:59.640 to get rid of them so like oh this is an online radical right no this is just normal politics it is

00:36:05.380 normal politics to deport illegal immigrants and looks looks like the overwhelming majority of reform uh the

00:36:12.340 reform base well yeah but it's it's not weird to want this i mean it's i love the idea that one

00:36:17.320 percent of reform tend to oppose why are you supporting reform like what was i know sorry four

00:36:23.940 percent strongly oppose as well but anyway so go on no it's just funny yeah they strongly oppose yeah

00:36:29.560 and so you may have seen this meme going around right now you might say hang on a second i don't

00:36:35.680 recognize those people well those people are all the people who know whose careers have been killed by

00:36:40.000 nigel farage basically uh the most recent one at the bottom there you can see ben habib but there

00:36:44.580 are loads of others frankly there are loads of i don't even know this godfrey bloom top top right

00:36:49.260 friend of the show and occasional guest godfrey bloom uh douglas carswell again another friend of the

00:36:54.520 show um you know kilroy silk and various others right look again people i don't even know because

00:37:00.400 nigel farage has been doing this for 30 years right and so they want what he wants is for

00:37:05.840 to join that pantheon of people whose careers have been killed by him and i'm not sure that's

00:37:11.100 great right i mean we can just go through it so you remember gwayne towler gwayne towler was the head

00:37:18.000 of uh press communications for well ukip and then brex potty and then reform he's been a farage loyalist

00:37:25.080 for decades now known as the last great amateur in politics and he came out defending reform saying well

00:37:31.980 if we push complaints under the carpet there will be hell to pay after the allegations of bullying in

00:37:36.160 rupert lowe's offices again not by rupert lowe everyone's keeping that very specific we're not

00:37:41.620 saying that rupert lowe has bullied they're just allegations in the offices the problem often the

00:37:46.880 problem isn't the offense but the cover-up well you've been covering up three weeks three months

00:37:50.960 gwayne why did we have to wait three months why is this so politically convenient and why are you

00:37:57.080 naming rupert lowe when he doesn't appear to be the guy at the end of the uh the actual allegations

00:38:02.040 but why are you doing in the face of uh you getting canned by zia yusuf because a couple of months ago

00:38:08.300 uh back in october in fact it was uh gwayne just got sliced out oh no we're professionalizing the

00:38:13.480 party that means gwayne towler has to go like he's got more experience than zia yusuf i mean he's probably

00:38:18.280 got more experience than zia yusuf is old right like gwayne tallo has been doing this for such a long time

00:38:24.800 he knows exactly what he's doing and yet he's still supinely supporting them because i guess

00:38:32.020 you don't change the habit of a lifetime but ben habib got shoved out of reform because he

00:38:38.500 criticized publicly the structure of the party when's the party going to democratize when's this

00:38:43.080 happening and even now they're claiming they're democratizing but i find it unlikely uh because

00:38:47.540 there's a there's a weird sort of loophole that they've included um i don't want to get into that

00:38:52.560 now but what happens after ben habib comes out with again reasonable criticism well nagel faraj

00:38:57.460 acts like a child about it and it's like yeah this is a champagne moment hip hip hooray the son has

00:39:01.640 got his hat on it's like why are you acting like this like why are you acting like ben habib has

00:39:06.160 personally stolen your girlfriend or something you know like all he did is say look we should probably

00:39:11.020 democratize the party and so faraj calls him bitter and twisted i know ben habib we had him on

00:39:17.060 the show after you kicked him out he's not he's not bitter and twisted like i'm friends with ben habib i

00:39:22.620 see him a lot like you know bump into conferences hang out with him when he comes over like he's not

00:39:28.500 bitter and twisted he's just like oh why have i just been screwed why are you dragging my name through

00:39:32.760 the mud because i made a reasonable criticism of your party that's the question and then you've got

00:39:38.920 katherine blakelock this is in 2019 the story is put out that i was fired by the brexit party

00:39:43.940 she's like no i couldn't be fired i controlled everything from the shares to the bank accounts

00:39:47.600 i was put under enormous pressure to give my shares and i did and for no money and then i was

00:39:52.460 effectively barred from standing as an mep or even a parliamentary candidate by the party i'd founded

00:39:56.760 and she was says i was not treated very well as in faraj got her to hand everything over and

00:40:03.140 they just kicked her out mercilessly i mean again katherine blakelock someone i know i don't think she's

00:40:09.440 lying i don't know why they would do this like what's the what's the benefit to treating people

00:40:14.760 this way back when i was in ukip jared batten despised nigel farage and i couldn't understand

00:40:21.320 it because of course i was always coming from the outside of things and he was like no nigel farage

00:40:25.260 has basically abused us you know he was basically abusive to us calling him the help jared batten was

00:40:31.240 the leader of the party and nigel farage would refer to him as the help it's like wow that is

00:40:35.140 insanely disrespectful right and jared batten's a lovely lovely man lovely man um anyway so a month

00:40:43.420 ago or in january sorry uh 10 councillors from the derbyshire branch of reform all decided to resign

00:40:50.600 all at once and again this story didn't get that much coverage there are articles but it didn't get

00:40:56.740 blow up but it's crazy the way that they said that they were like no we're not we're not we're not

00:41:02.100 doing this after elon musk said he's not up to the job the council has alleged that the party was

00:41:06.460 being run in quote an autocratic manner and accused farage of disloyalty to long-term members

00:41:11.940 yeah there's a long history of this there's not he will throw you under the bus apparently and

00:41:17.280 the autocratic governance well yeah that seems to be the case uh all are from derbyshire including

00:41:22.540 alex stevenson who came second in amber valley with 28 of the vote so it's not like these people are

00:41:27.960 bad candidates you know if you come 20 like this was like the first proper election reform fought

00:41:33.120 and you got 28 of the vote you'd be looking at that guy and say right okay next time with a bit

00:41:38.180 of hard campaigning bam you're getting more than enough to kill the seat so why would you why would

00:41:44.000 you not treat this guy well why would you treat him as if he's disposable in a statement seen by the

00:41:49.340 guardian let me carry on they said they could not in good conscience carry on under the leadership

00:41:53.800 adding quote we believe that the current party management is either incompetent or malevolent

00:41:59.360 and we have lost all confidence in the leadership and its structures and i'm just saying there's

00:42:04.280 enough circumstantial evidence to to make me believe that the leadership is malevolent and not incompetent

00:42:11.080 i think character plays a huge role here and uh the behavior of people across the years show

00:42:17.700 reveals a lot about who they are and what their intentions are my my entirely outside of

00:42:23.520 perspective here is that faraj is someone who is much more interested in in appearance and not at

00:42:32.480 all interested in governing yes and when it comes to to to politics and uh you know how he handles his

00:42:41.280 party and all the people you've said it looks like there is a long history of feeling threatened by some

00:42:49.500 people 100 percent any what do these people have in common well they these people have in common the

00:42:55.960 fact that they worked hard and started making a name for themselves and nigel farage found that

00:43:02.040 threatening and so he threw them under the bus i mean there are there are more we're not finished yet

00:43:05.980 obviously uh you've got um uh what's his name haroud cox who was the reform party's uh candidate for the

00:43:14.740 london mayorality uh he didn't do well he only got four percent of the vote but uh he decided that

00:43:19.540 he had to leave the party uh he quit the party because he was told that if he was critical of the party

00:43:24.820 because he'd been mildly critical of the party and he was sat down by zia yusuf apparently and and others

00:43:32.100 uh nigel farage not being there at this time um and told look you either don't say anything about the

00:43:38.180 party and about tommy robinson and things or we're just going to kick you out and so he uh he said

00:43:42.320 that he had to leave um howard cox spoke about quitting the party claiming that nigel farage

00:43:47.540 runs it like a dictatorship and does not allow people to think these are people who have been

00:43:53.000 in the party who have been directly exposed to nigel farage and his governance style so if if this

00:43:59.220 was like some random lefty or something i'd be like well you just hate him you know you're obviously

00:44:04.060 you criticize them yeah exactly i'm not going to take anything of random lefty's going to take say

00:44:08.280 at face value but when it's literally people who have worked for him for decades and they're all

00:44:14.660 just like yeah no he did this he did this he did this he did this he screwed me over here he may

00:44:19.120 they run it like a dictatorship i'm not allowed to say anything yeah i'm sorry i'm going to take this

00:44:23.280 seriously i think these people uh are being honest you know i don't see any reason to think that it's not

00:44:28.440 him and if the only three words someone has in mind is me myself and i

00:44:33.820 most probably they're not going to govern the country well they're the least qualified people

00:44:38.820 to to rule yeah that's another thing as well if he runs his own parties this way and constantly it

00:44:44.600 just generates dozens and dozens of people who loathe him with a passion well i don't really want

00:44:50.940 him being the guy in charge of the entire country uh anyway um howard cox says well look i blame a lot

00:44:56.740 of this on z yousef ever since he brought his way into the chairmanship there's been infighting yeah but

00:45:00.580 the thing is nigel chosen for a reason uh this kind of behavior this pattern of behavior predates

00:45:05.840 zia yousef by decades by absolute decades nigel faras has always been like this and like we see

00:45:12.240 this kind of arbitrariness constantly so today the reform uk stafford branch posted this on the

00:45:18.060 facebook page is with great regret i have to tell you the stafford reform branch has been closed down

00:45:22.120 by the regional manager for no apparent reason acting chairman and officers have all been removed

00:45:25.760 and threatened with disciplinary action for trying to run the branch letters zia yousef have gone

00:45:30.240 unanswered uh four weeks of requesting assistance have been ignored and this is another thing

00:45:33.960 that people and again there are just so many people i'm not even bringing up like just loads

00:45:38.560 and loads of people like douglas carswell and things like that people who just got frozen out of

00:45:43.480 the process they just get no you get sidelined you don't receive anything and that's what they're

00:45:47.360 trying to do to rupert lowe at the moment right um so these letters went ignored uh we've been told

00:45:53.300 that a new chairman will be appointed from outside the branch and until this happens we have no access

00:45:57.220 to the membership we've been trying to support candidates for the county council elections but

00:46:00.900 this is no longer possible the growing evidence from around the country is that loyal active

00:46:04.180 members of reform are being removed for no apparent reason and replaced by appointees from reform

00:46:08.200 central i have no idea what's happening nigel seems to have lost control of the party he created

00:46:12.480 see this is another thing it's not that nigel's lost control this is what he wanted

00:46:16.380 he appointed zia yousef for a reason he is allowing this to happen for a reason and so anyway

00:46:22.560 the they're going to close their page down because of course what else can they do and so what we see

00:46:27.480 here is a pattern of reputation destruction and centralization of control we have seen this from

00:46:34.560 his days in ukip from the brexit party and now here and so this is a little it's a three minute clip

00:46:43.220 but i really want to play the whole thing because i think it's absolutely eye-opening by a man called

00:46:48.220 stephen wolf now stephen wolf was a ukip mep you may have seen pictures of him knocked out

00:46:52.440 because he was arguing with mike hookham over uh well this whole process actually the things that

00:46:58.600 nigel does to other people and mike hookham punched him in the jaw and knocked him out and gave him a

00:47:02.320 seizure right but stephen wolf was a really good chap from all accounts it like so i joined ukip

00:47:07.680 after stephen wolf left but lots of people knew him and they also know he's a really good chap he was

00:47:12.260 a rising star because he's a clear communicator seemed like a decent chap and suddenly forced out of

00:47:17.520 the party and so he's going to explain exactly what happened to him because again tell me if this

00:47:22.160 sounds like it's uh sounding familiar when you see all this does it all seem eerily familiar

00:47:26.780 absolutely i saw this build up of the way that nigel and nigel's team whether it's using the chairman

00:47:33.920 or using certain selected individuals who led different parts of the party to attack individuals

00:47:39.840 that seem to rise uh through their talent or their skill to be able to be on a par with nigel or seen

00:47:46.940 as a threat to nigel in my case i came in in 2014 by 2016 people wanted me to take over as the new

00:47:55.080 leader of ukip and only then were kind of the political uh dogs of war unleashed on me with false

00:48:01.540 accusations i committed offenses false accusations that i was with various people despite being married

00:48:07.500 all of these were fed to the press to undermine me and that led unfortunately to the massive row that

00:48:13.840 occurred in the european parliament that led to the injuries that led me to leave the party but i

00:48:19.940 wasn't the first you see what he's using against rupert lowe at the moment saying that we've had

00:48:25.100 allegations of him uh committing various uh i didn't want to use the phrases against individuals

00:48:32.320 well certainly there are bullying allegations there are allegations that uh rupert loe uh threatened

00:48:37.900 physical violence now again say youssef it should be uh made clear that rupert denies all those

00:48:42.460 allegations in fact this morning he he has written for the telegraph as well and said there's no

00:48:46.800 evidence uh no substantive evidence of any of that no absolutely let's look at the way that this

00:48:51.600 particular methodology that's used by nigel farage's team to undermine and get rid of them

00:48:57.200 in kilroy silk if you go back to the days of 2004 kilroy silk very famous labor mp who's challenging

00:49:04.800 nigel for the leadership at that time they said that he was a threat to the party kilroy silk had

00:49:11.480 said that the party was unskilled wasn't democratic enough didn't have the organization

00:49:16.380 words that seemingly are the same that rupert lowe said what happened then is kilroy silk was

00:49:22.400 undermined and suddenly the chairman came out and said that we need to get rid of kilroy silk

00:49:27.060 because he was no longer a member of the party that could be trusted we couldn't work with him

00:49:31.640 kilroy silk gone david campbell bannerman also an mep at the time wanted to become leader of

00:49:37.620 of ukip at that time same sort of allegations david campbell hanneman defected to the conservative

00:49:43.260 party douglas carswell big name that came in along from the conservative party he did not give the

00:49:49.620 money that nigel farage wanted out of the benefits of being a defected from defected from the conservative

00:49:56.000 conservative party yeah yeah and along that he had some very very good and talented people like

00:50:01.280 patrick o'flynn susan evans immensely articulate woman all rising the stars coming up suddenly they

00:50:08.300 too were undermining nigel not part of the party and the same stick was used to by political people in

00:50:15.720 that time it was the leader of uh people who were in charge of the party the chairman stephen crowther

00:50:22.300 that led sorts of investigations into carswell investigations that these people now you're

00:50:28.020 seeing it with ben habib now rupert lowe and i faced it myself so this is a standard methodology

00:50:35.560 someone rises someone looks as though they're as good as nigel better better than nigel in some ways

00:50:41.940 the membership love him then they're no longer a part of the party they're a threat they create

00:50:48.240 division we can't have division in our party otherwise we'll lose the next election so he goes

00:50:54.660 on to then say uh sorry i let that play on so long but i think that's really important to hear because

00:50:59.960 again you it's just the same playbook that they're using and it explains isabel oak shots which is

00:51:05.440 richard tice's girlfriend her dagger-like smile where she's like oh poor sweet rupert he's so naive he's so

00:51:11.840 silly he's like yeah because they knew exactly what they were going to do to him and they knew

00:51:15.380 exactly what they're going to do to him and stephen wolf goes on to point out the um they use

00:51:19.560 essentially uh coercion um the farage and others around him would use the power of selection say

00:51:28.680 look you're not going to get a job as an mep so you're not going to get paid you're not going to

00:51:31.580 make money if you don't do as we say which keeps a lot of people in line well if you're rupert lowe

00:51:36.480 and you're independently wealthy they can't use that threat on you you know this is really not your

00:51:40.160 problem uh and so just to top this off as one uh former ukip candidate for westminster put it

00:51:46.400 paul weston uh farage has revealed himself again people who know farage right i'm not using people

00:51:51.800 who don't know farage i'm using people who have worked with him for his entire career and have

00:51:56.100 been in all of the parties with him and so like i said this is a former candidate for westminster

00:52:00.120 uh back in 2010 right uh but this is a statement that paul made today saying quote farage has revealed

00:52:06.720 himself as a pathologically unpleasant man this would be hard to ignore even if he promised a

00:52:11.680 manifesto commitment saving britain from a theocratic third world future but he doesn't promise that and

00:52:17.060 now we know he is a psychopath to boot reform is dead in the water our search for salvation continues

00:52:21.900 neomila says you can run the party in an autocratic manner if you must but it usually only works if your

00:52:32.380 power is directed at your external political enemies not primarily internally yeah if you're

00:52:36.520 if you're so insecure about your own perspective and your position in things which i don't really

00:52:40.900 see why he fears but okay fine so i think at this point nigel farage could have easily relaxed and

00:52:45.960 said well obviously i'm nigel farage i'm in charge and i think everyone would have agreed to that but uh

00:52:50.240 but he's too paranoid it seems um so uh anyway that's that's that and uh

00:52:55.780 so let's move on something more jolly no god never talk about sorry i forgot what your segment was

00:53:02.560 uh we're not talking about anything jolly we're talking about things that are actually way worse

00:53:06.320 so if you thought monday was going well well no it's going worse sorry please go right so we have

00:53:12.980 islander 3 still on sale definitely check it out only 14.99 and uh i've heard really good things

00:53:23.600 about it oh nothing but glowing praise excellent because it's amazing right so now we're going to

00:53:28.440 talk about a very sad topic and we have lots of footage of the massacres happening in syria at the

00:53:34.860 moment and i decided not to show them well yeah it's probably because it's probably for the best but

00:53:40.200 it's it's unbelievably harrowing and we are going to talk about what happened that we can that we know

00:53:48.040 of because obviously there are there is the issue of sources and the i would say appalling statement

00:53:56.060 made by the eu and some other approaches by the u.s which i consider to be correct right so what

00:54:05.840 happened we have reports of more than 1300 people dead and most of them are civilians we have also some

00:54:14.260 other reports by uh greek uh member of the european parliament who went there uh faraduris who spoke of

00:54:21.700 at least 7 000 people dead out of these 7 000 people dead a very small number are members of the of the

00:54:30.920 of the government now or affiliated with them most of them are alawites and christians and civilians

00:54:38.120 right this is ethnic cleansing yes and and religious it looks like religious yes so what

00:54:45.400 happened was that there are reports i don't know how trustworthy they are but i'm gonna tell you what

00:54:51.860 is being said that on thursday last thursday there were several alawites who tried to ambush

00:55:01.000 government security forces in jabla near latakia which is on the western on the western part of syria

00:55:07.860 northwestern close to the mediterranean it's a coastal region and they failed the government

00:55:13.440 asked for reinforcements and a lot of people in those reinforcements were most probably militias who

00:55:20.080 started doing uh revenge killings and they they've killed a lot of people but you can definitely see

00:55:27.180 footage of lots of families wiped out and young children killed i i saw loads of videos on twitter and i was

00:55:35.000 just like oh god yes so and uh i don't know how people think about this but syria's interim

00:55:42.760 leader announced that there will be a committee investigating both the clashes but also

00:55:48.720 uh the the the massacres yeah right so let's see here how the guardian is presenting it because it's

00:55:56.440 an interesting frame so let us just see here we are talking about the northwest part of syria here

00:56:05.420 is latakia here is jabla and here is the tartus province and they are saying to crush the rebellion

00:56:12.880 the syrian government called for reinforcements with thousands of fighters converging on syria's coast

00:56:18.440 from all over the country though fighters are nominally under the auspices of the new syrian

00:56:25.700 government militias still persist some of which have been implicated in past human rights abuses

00:56:31.520 and are relatively undisciplined so just a quick thing as i understand it so assad was essentially

00:56:36.920 fighting the civil war to a standstill for years uh against radical jihadi forces that had variously

00:56:42.820 various uh interesting backers um but these were incredibly porous groups where again they're all

00:56:49.560 jihadis really uh that would move from group to group and so it was very difficult to track

00:56:53.880 because the the lines of demarcation between them not particularly clear and so assad has gone

00:56:58.740 and any secular syrian troops you could say have disbanded and so who's left is it just the jihadis

00:57:07.560 well it it looks it's one of the most complex conflicts yeah i don't know and we we have more

00:57:13.400 than 10 years now i think it's on the 11th year it's one of the most complex conflicts and we have

00:57:18.080 people from all sorts and here i have a religious map so assad was whose regime was toppled on december

00:57:27.000 8th was an alawite and the alawites are concentrated here or there's a really strong concentration of

00:57:34.980 assad of uh alawites here and his assad's family was also an alawite and also we have uh greek orthodox

00:57:42.940 and syrian orthodox people in that region so and we we have several religions here but the pro the

00:57:52.240 issue is that after the the topple of the of the government there is considerable fear as to whether

00:58:00.740 religious minorities are going to be respected or not and uh i saw a statement by donald trump

00:58:07.360 about 10 years ago who was saying the problem is literally we don't know who the other side is

00:58:12.500 and he said 10 years ago the other people look seem to me to be worse than assad well tell us you gabard

00:58:19.340 said this in a senate confirmation hearing said look there's going to be a massacre of the christians

00:58:22.880 if assad falls yes and here we have other daily mail article and says horror in syria as naked women

00:58:30.680 operated and shot dead more than a thousand killed in just two days as countries gripped by deadly

00:58:36.140 violence between new rulers and assad loyalists and they are describing all sorts of um all sorts of

00:58:43.680 crimes that happened there there have been several people who are trying to say that all this is

00:58:52.320 western propaganda and christian propaganda but this is just entirely fake news entirely fake news i mean

00:58:59.780 just to be clear these people have access to mobile phones they film themselves committing the

00:59:05.900 atrocities and then put it up with their own captions exactly and uh for i don't i don't think it's

00:59:12.160 it's entirely coincidental that they put some people in crosses and machine gunned them while on the cross

00:59:18.780 yeah this definitely has a religious meaning yeah so there were several other just a quick thing nothing

00:59:25.100 in the middle east doesn't have a religious tone everything in the middle east is religious exactly so

00:59:30.060 we have several reports of all sorts of crime i'm not gonna say i'm not gonna say more so we have here

00:59:36.780 the interim president of syria ahmed al-shara who's also who was also known be before the

00:59:42.820 before these months as abu muhammad al-jolani he gave a speech addressing addressing the nation

00:59:50.380 and he basically said that we're now facing a new danger at the crucial moment and that the remnants of

00:59:55.760 the other regime supported by foreign elements are trying to create another civil war and drug or country

01:00:01.720 towards a civil war in order to divide it destroys unity and stability so he is saying essentially

01:00:07.580 what what everyone would expect we're in a situation of of emergency we need to we need to protect the

01:00:16.540 unity of our country from domestic and foreign enemies and he added that those who harmed civilians

01:00:22.860 will be held accountable and brought to justice now i really don't know how i really don't know if

01:00:29.140 there's actually a will to do this but even if there was a will even if there were a will i don't

01:00:35.940 know if there's the the ability to do it because if the government required reinforcements and lots of

01:00:43.300 militias came in order to answer to the government's call for enforcements the most probably means that

01:00:49.700 the reliance upon those militias is much higher than we would speak about in a traditional setting

01:00:55.080 when you have stunning armies and not militias so i really don't think that we should uh take that

01:01:01.860 as face at face value i think a lot of westerners who try to take it at face value and see it

01:01:07.680 with as best light as possible are incredibly naive such as rory stewart and alistair campbell

01:01:14.600 and alistair campbell who went for the rest of his well they interviewed him didn't they yes and i was i was

01:01:21.140 west's latest golden boy yes i was interested to see whether rory stewart was going to make a

01:01:26.100 statement and literally he reposted a threat of threat of someone who mostly focused on economic

01:01:33.140 issues right so right okay yes see here we have from an adolu english the syrian presidency announced the

01:01:40.020 formation of an independent national commission to probe the recent violent incidents in the port cities

01:01:45.620 of latakia and tortus i'm sure i'll be totally impartial independent and uh no trust issues

01:01:50.820 whatsoever yeah we'll get to the bottom of the the problem from the former jihadi exactly and here

01:01:55.460 let us go to discuss the the several statements that uh people have made here's from david lammy the

01:02:03.420 reports that large numbers of civilians have been killed in coastal areas in syria in in ongoing

01:02:09.600 violence are horrific the authorities in damascus must ensure the protection of all syrians

01:02:15.080 and set out a clear path to transitional justice they're insane islamists yes now there have why

01:02:23.560 would he say that they're not going to do that they they probably approve of what's happening yes and

01:02:29.640 there there have been several posts on the on x saying that david lammy is giving 50 million pounds

01:02:37.560 oh yeah to to syria that we're funding the regime this it has been happening since october so i don't

01:02:44.920 know why there is no will to suspend funding or to pressure the government it's crazy

01:02:51.400 okay right so i will i will say this i think one of the very few people who made an actually good

01:02:59.800 statement on this was marco rubio who said that the united states condemns the radical islamist

01:03:06.360 terrorists including foreign jihadis that murdered people in western syria in recent days

01:03:10.840 the united states stands with syria's religious and ethnic minorities including its christian

01:03:16.120 druz alawite and kurdish communities and offers its condolences to the victims and their families

01:03:22.360 syria's interim authorities must hold the perpetrators of those massacres against syria's minority communities

01:03:28.920 accountable and what happens if they don't no idea and this is exactly what we said before because we

01:03:35.960 don't know to what extent there is a will and even if there were a will we don't know whether there's

01:03:41.960 an ability to hold them into accountable because they asked for reinforcement if america was actually

01:03:46.760 going to intervene in the middle east for some reason i think protecting christian communities

01:03:51.800 from genocide and alawite communities from genocide actually would be a fairly good one to use

01:03:56.840 here we have a a statement that actually is unbelievable it's unbelievable i'm literally

01:04:06.280 lost for words i i was looking at that statement for for a long time pro-asside elements yes so the

01:04:12.520 european union the external action service that is affiliate that is led by kaya kalas

01:04:20.840 it says the european union strongly condemns the recent attacks reportedly by pro-asside elements on

01:04:26.760 interim government forces in the coastal areas of syria and all violence against

01:04:31.400 civilians the focus so who's doing the violence against civilians it's not the pro-asside elements

01:04:37.320 is it yes but also they they make zero explicit mention of the massacre of christians yeah just

01:04:45.400 random abstract violence yes and there are several questions as to why that may be happening and i think

01:04:51.640 in the in the in the segment we did about three months ago when the regime was toppled we said that

01:04:58.760 essentially it looks like that syria is going to become is going to be led to a proxy war between israel

01:05:05.480 and turkey turkey is very much against the kurds and also wants to to appear within the muslim world as

01:05:13.720 being the top player yep and uh also israel wants to want wants to be as safe as possible within

01:05:24.360 that region and there is plenty of context with from both both sides but um we'll talk about

01:05:32.680 also why right now europe is a sort of trying to approach them to a greater extent try to portray

01:05:41.560 them to as best of light as possible and try to not inflame tensions so i think to a very large

01:05:47.720 extent the this has to do with there's an immediate context and a larger context and the immediate

01:05:53.800 context has to do with zelensky and the result of the of the meeting at the white house which literally

01:06:01.320 created panic in europe there's a lot of discussion about nato be possibly being dismantled or something

01:06:08.840 or or uh the us leaving nato and the europeans want to have a an anti-russia front and they they are

01:06:18.920 approaching turkey and turkey wants to portray itself as being necessary for european defense against

01:06:27.400 anyone as the the army of europe in the in the new days so trust turkey with that exactly so zelensky

01:06:35.720 went to went to erdogan and he asked for for security extra security and now there's lots of

01:06:44.840 there are several claims about turkey needing to be included into the russia ukraine war talks

01:06:51.320 and an elevation of the of the image of turkey in and also the importance of turkey as a mediating factor

01:06:59.480 but also as someone who is one of the main actors within europe in in uh from the eu so

01:07:08.600 that was that was a gap of power that was created it's it it's a perceived gap of power and whenever

01:07:15.400 there's a gap of power some people try to fill it and uh turkey is trying to do this and we have here

01:07:21.000 turkish president erdogan who says we want our european membership process to move forward quickly

01:07:27.560 jesus christ and we have also donald tusk who is going to go to turkey and talk and uh talk about

01:07:35.880 it now personal personal opinion i really don't don't think that anything's gonna happen fast maybe it

01:07:42.840 could take uh take time but it shows a lot of the the how the pieces are moving in the in the new chess

01:07:50.600 chessboard and we have a turkey that is simultaneously more more active in the middle east but also wants

01:07:59.640 to present itself as more active within europe so there's a question there are some people who are a

01:08:05.560 a bit more reluctant to comment and they're saying never interrupt your enemy when they made make a

01:08:11.640 mistake and maybe turkey's biting more than it can chew but there's also the other question of why would

01:08:17.560 you want europe to base european defense upon people who have historically been your enemies been

01:08:25.640 invading europe but also being being uh being playing both sides on on every conflict yeah basically

01:08:33.560 well i mean the idea that you'd want turkey in the european union is bonkers it's absolutely

01:08:38.440 bonkers and it's incredible it's i think it's incredible that uh lots of of eu politicians are

01:08:45.720 even considering it now let's be very realistic turkey is in a really important strat strategic position

01:08:54.120 for uh for ukraine and russia because they're in the in the in the um in the excellence podus in the

01:09:01.080 black sea and also sorry i may have it's fine it's fine but also and really close to russia and uh

01:09:08.440 and also ukraine and they and right now they have changed stance completely they they try to play both

01:09:14.120 sides of the topic of the of the conflict but now in the after the meeting with zelensky turkey is very

01:09:21.160 much pro-ukraine and wants the ukrainian border to move into the 2014 where it was in in 2014 so what

01:09:29.480 they're thinking is we'll be able to take some territory off russia exactly so i think if we bear

01:09:34.520 this in mind we will see that the immediate context has to do with a perceived lack of power within

01:09:41.400 europe and the the perceived necessity to appeal to turkey and be a bit more friendly towards her on

01:09:50.360 behalf of some european politicians but also if we look at how the syria is taking is

01:09:57.960 uh the events in syria are unfolding we are going to see that it doesn't look like it's going to be

01:10:04.440 peaceful for for a while and let me just mention very briefly the the the israeli side when the

01:10:12.120 regime of asad was toppled the israelis bombed bombarded the military equipment both naval and also

01:10:21.480 air equipment and uh they have uh tried to right now to they try to to move close to the kurds and

01:10:31.160 they try to present the kurds as their natural allies within the region and they have extended

01:10:36.200 the rhetoric they had against the asad regime that it was supporting the asad the hezbollah now to to

01:10:43.960 the current government they're saying that they are trying to re revive and support hezbollah right

01:10:49.880 so it we have seen atrocious scenes and uh hopefully you you understand some bits more about

01:10:58.120 the immediate context but also about the larger context sadly it doesn't look like it's going to

01:11:03.080 be peaceful for a long time there yeah it doesn't look like it's going to get better at all

01:11:06.680 um anyway we have some comments um lots of comments so i'm gonna um skip the ones for only

01:11:15.800 two dollars sorry so for time uh jm dendham for twenty dollars says roy stuart being taken seriously

01:11:21.640 by an apparently large group of non-woke people disturbs me yeah the the sort of new men of the

01:11:26.680 early 2000s consensus take roy stuart very seriously uh despite the fact that he's been wrong on every

01:11:32.280 major issue for the past five years uh he was probably wrong about brexit he was wrong not

01:11:37.480 more than five years he's wrong about uh kamala obviously and trump he was like wrong about this

01:11:43.800 like i can't think of anything he's been right about recently uh hewitt says roy stuart is a

01:11:48.360 homunculus made from the leftover part i'm not saying that that's that's disgusting um bald eagle says if

01:11:56.760 turkey is suddenly pro-ukraine after one meeting how much do you want to bet that zelinski said he'd

01:12:00.920 support turkey's admission to the eu and use support within the eu to make it happen no doubt

01:12:04.760 actually uh yeah that's what they they are saying yeah no and also let me add very quickly pardon me

01:12:11.560 the the animosity they have towards orban makes lots of european uh leaders or position in

01:12:21.560 of or people in the eu saying that we need to ban the veto right right yeah yeah good take away one of

01:12:29.160 the the the final few pieces of power constitutional power that the member states have in the name of

01:12:35.960 fighting anti-constitutionalism incredible incredible um uh right let's uh let's go to the video comments

01:12:43.320 touch grass they tell us touch grass what do you do when there's no grass

01:13:10.920 patience

01:13:13.320 i don't really know let's go to the next one never forget your roots lads they're always there for you

01:13:29.800 it's a concise message that i agree with

01:13:36.360 the skepticism of the moon landing on yesterday's podcast is quite understandable

01:13:40.920 i don't know

01:13:45.640 sci-fi reality tends to look an awful lot like low-budget sci-fi special effects

01:13:54.920 i'm personally not skeptical of the moon landing i don't know i don't know why dan has this brain

01:14:12.200 worm in his mind we all have our conspiracy yeah yeah favorite conspiracy yeah exactly you know

01:14:18.200 the turkey's gonna join the eu or the bigfoot's real you know i like the one that says that there

01:14:23.640 there are crocodiles in the sewers oh well there were alligators in the sewers in new york i actually

01:14:28.520 watched a video about this last night uh so this is this there's a really good channel called wild world

01:14:34.200 it does like these just really nice deep dives into a particular subject and basically um in the early

01:14:39.960 20th century there were no laws governing pets and so people would buy alligators bring them they'd grow and

01:14:47.320 so they'd just throw them down a sewer and so there was um there were examples there were reports

01:14:54.280 of there being alligators in the sewers uh by the people whose job it was clean the sewers and they

01:14:59.800 would clear that you know kill them and clear them out um they're not like you know a breeding

01:15:04.680 population but basically someone's got a pet and they're just or some you know circus animal or

01:15:08.440 something just throwing it down there um so that definitely has happened but um modern reports say

01:15:15.080 that hasn't happened because having these pets was banned in like 1980 or something right so it

01:15:20.040 just hasn't happened since so uh there we go that is that is true um next next next one

01:15:30.360 loosely speaking the right values the past and the left values the future so the destruction of

01:15:33.960 something that has a long and storied history is never as meaningful for the left as it is for the

01:15:37.160 right even if it's a leftist asset at the time of its destruction the left in these situations never

01:15:41.320 suffer enough they never learn they never understand that it's their own ideology leading to this

01:15:45.000 inevitable consequence and so they never stop doing it when the left subverts and take over

01:15:48.760 an institution we lose it and all its accrued history and prestige and we mourn that when the

01:15:52.360 left collapse it at long last they don't care in any meaningful way and they move on to something

01:15:55.640 new to ruin this is a cycle and this beautiful french theater is only the latest example we still lost

01:16:00.280 yeah that's 100 true and it is it is frustrating how the right doesn't look at itself as a party of

01:16:08.040 the future either um because like the the future the present the the past they all exist and they're

01:16:15.240 all always part of the same continuum and so that the right wing like oh i only i only look back at

01:16:20.840 the past and then to the present it's like yeah but you're on this continuum you recognize you're on

01:16:24.600 the continuum you have to look to the future then you know there's no you know you're not a leftist

01:16:29.640 history doesn't end now you know tomorrow is coming so you must think of yourself as someone

01:16:35.160 a part the future is a part of you as much as the present and the past are from a right-wing

01:16:40.040 perspective so yeah yeah but he's not wrong like a lot of right-wingers are just kind of you know

01:16:44.760 nostalgic and just don't don't think of the future it's like no we should have a plan for the future

01:16:49.160 you know i i really think some are very melancholic psychologically speaking and they when they go

01:16:55.880 doomer doomeristic maybe they're they're too um accustomed or melancholy and they don't want

01:17:03.800 anything to change basically some of them some of them don't i think yeah no no that's absolutely

01:17:08.920 right and instead having an affirmative plan for how things ought to change means that you can at

01:17:13.480 least affect the outcome somewhat you know if you're just sat there going well i hope nothing

01:17:16.600 changes well trust me it's gonna change that's what happens change the one constant of the universe

01:17:21.480 um let's go to the next one carl if you come to australia i'll take you to a really proper catholic

01:17:30.200 mass and while i'm at it i'll take you to a real proper anglican mass with chanting gregorian choirs

01:17:39.320 the lot it's amazing i'll show you man and that does actually sound great so i was complaining that

01:17:45.400 christmas eve went to the local church uh in the parish that my kids have been baptized in and uh

01:17:52.920 it's it's modern and so like they've got like pop songs with jesus lyrics dubbed over them and stuff

01:17:57.800 like that and i'm like no i want a choir chanting you know like heavenly choirs and stuff i want it to be

01:18:02.360 properly authentically traditional and quite quite aggressively anti-modern actually is what if if you

01:18:07.640 know if i've got to go to a church i want it to be really authentic so i can at least you know try and

01:18:13.480 enjoy the non-modern nature of it but instead it's all modernized church and it's like i hate it

01:18:18.840 like i would really love it if i was being browbeaten by some guy with the bible being like

01:18:22.360 sinner i would actually enjoy that i want to go to australia yeah well i don't want to travel to

01:18:27.240 australia i mean it's it's like a 24-hour flight and it's full of dangerous animals and australians

01:18:32.840 sounds funny i always like australians um all right let's go to the next one

01:18:38.440 i am a classical liberal the government should restrain itself from violating our liberties

01:18:47.960 drums drums in the deep we cannot get out they are coming i never wanted this i never wanted to

01:19:01.160 who was that comment from uh do me a favor make sure that's in the shared drive because i'm going

01:19:15.400 to tweet that after this podcast that is exactly exactly how i feel you know i'm sorry if we've got

01:19:22.120 to become horus looper cow then we will as honestly that is so good that is exactly how i feel um right

01:19:28.120 let's get some comments so uh lots of people have been saying that islander magazine has arrived

01:19:32.200 and everything is wonderful which i'm glad to hear i told you it'd be a lot quicker didn't i didn't i

01:19:36.200 i told you we got it sorted uh but no i'm i'm really glad and i'm sorry that the previous one

01:19:40.520 was out of our hands really um but i am sorry that it took so long but the new one is there so

01:19:46.520 all good uh mason says peter hitchens warned that labor was going to be absolutely tyrannical

01:19:51.240 and that farage was a snake and be more of the same damn it we're going to have to admit that

01:19:55.160 that conversion was right all along aren't we well i didn't ever tell him he was wrong you know

01:20:00.360 like i i knew that uh starma would be as exactly as tyrannical as we expected and i like like lani

01:20:09.000 dowding uh talked tweeted out i just hoped farage would have changed would have been better or

01:20:14.360 something like that and he hasn't i just retweeted it beginning like yeah i know i was hoping to i was

01:20:18.600 hoping to but no but also i mean people who are who vote they have to sometimes hope for something

01:20:23.400 yeah yeah yeah you sometimes have even if it's the least bad option yeah no i know um

01:20:29.080 uh lord nareval says um the man has my full support and the way he's being treated by reform is

01:20:35.640 despicable furthermore if some of the details he is releasing from reform are true they are well

01:20:40.520 on the way to losing support of every single supporter they have uh however despite my wish to

01:20:44.120 see rupert at the forefront of their platform i understand where we are in the situation we can't

01:20:48.520 afford to be rejecting reform outright just now we they haven't yet proven themselves to be holy

01:20:53.080 captured by the establishment uh and if that does happen they can be dropped and forgotten this is

01:20:58.280 too important a moment well i'd say we've got four years and i don't think farage is the guy at this

01:21:02.520 point uh so i'm prepared to work with uh other people uh terror toddler says i don't really want

01:21:08.760 to vote for reform now just not not just for getting rid of rupert but the way it's been done

01:21:12.920 it's clear they can't be trusted and farage needs to be removed from the leadership well this is why

01:21:16.360 elon musk came to this conclusion very very swiftly didn't he uh he he was like oh farage isn't the guy

01:21:21.880 like yeah no i don't think farage is the guy i'm sorry uh i mean i don't really just the way he's

01:21:28.200 treated people throughout his entire career do you want that person in government i don't really want

01:21:33.080 that person in government and says everything about this story about rupert lowe and reform

01:21:38.440 is suspect down to muhammad yusuf trying to look more english and not always giving his using his given

01:21:44.360 name seems like reform has not changed from the day they kicked up but yeah i forgot to mention they

01:21:48.440 kicked out bow and dan uh for trivialities bow made a joke and was like yeah we need to deport

01:21:53.800 illegals dan was like we need to deport illegals because you say in your manifesto we can deport

01:21:57.720 illegals and then they both got deselected for quoting the manual and the manifesto um

01:22:05.480 george says uh rupert lowe's loyalty to reform after all they've pulled is undeserved i hope he

01:22:10.760 doesn't join the tories either but i would understand if he did i'm tired of the there are good people

01:22:14.760 in reform narrative considering that they are systematically getting rid of all the good

01:22:18.120 people they don't deserve any support from people on the right one and this is this is the thing i

01:22:21.960 didn't make clear in the podcast i should have done um there are a lot of good people in reform just

01:22:28.120 like there are a lot of good people in ukip and nigel farage is basically chewing them up and spitting

01:22:33.160 them out whenever they become inconvenient everyone in reform is a marked man the second farage becomes

01:22:38.920 aware of you and the farage is i've sour on fixes on you and feels that you are too good too dangerous

01:22:44.760 to too much of a liability whatever it is you're gone you will they won't even think about it you'll

01:22:50.040 be gone so just be aware that your time in reform could be temporary um and it doesn't i don't there's

01:22:57.000 no pleasure saying this either right i really wish this wasn't the case you know that uh anyway kevin says

01:23:02.840 so rupert's lost the whip time for a call to elon fund a new party made up of rupert lowe andrew

01:23:07.240 bridging jenrick and braverman uh and one list trust there are loads of good people who've been

01:23:12.920 essentially left outside of the uni party consensus who have been banging the drum quite solidly

01:23:18.760 from our perspective uh and i would support them i would absolutely support and these are big names as

01:23:23.480 well so uh hugo bossman says hate to be a duma but as this leave leave us as a country with no right-wing

01:23:29.640 alternative ready and waiting to take over in 2029 the prospects of the country looking bleak i don't even

01:23:34.520 want to imagine what another five years of left-wing politics on top of the existing layer cycle does

01:23:39.160 to our country hard times ahead sadly yeah i'm sorry but it's it's not looking great is it if nigel

01:23:44.760 farage could stop being evil for five minutes and just stop playing these vile like bitchy mean girl

01:23:53.720 games like there was no need to do this alone just take the criticism like a man just say yeah you know

01:23:58.520 we probably could do that that's a good idea because i bet like next month they do all of the things

01:24:02.840 that he's criticizing them for saying like just do it you know you don't have to run your party like

01:24:07.160 goddamn soviet dictatorship uh derek says low is your trump protect him at all costs if you want to have

01:24:12.920 a chance to get your nation back you know what's interesting he does have these kind of trumpian

01:24:16.520 asses he's just come out and repeatedly like i don't apologize for anything i've done nothing wrong

01:24:22.680 i stand by what i said about mass deportations of illegal foreign criminals

01:24:26.200 i'm not apologizing for anything it's like yep no that's that's the correct energy

01:24:32.360 um matt says at this point as i am i think that the majority of reforms base will stick with them

01:24:37.720 and this will be a relatively small bump in the road over the long term uh nigel has done this sort

01:24:41.480 of thing over and over and always managed to survive it well that's that's a real possibility

01:24:45.240 you know do you think the plan is to to

01:24:49.080 no forget it forget it no no the plan does make makes no sense then i don't know you're not going

01:24:57.080 to tell me oh if he if he wants to save the conservatives last minute well farage um

01:25:05.240 well i mean if he does he's certainly going the right way about it isn't he because like i mean yeah

01:25:11.880 that's why i'm asking it really wouldn't take much for for rupert load to defect to the conservatives

01:25:16.680 they're offering him they've literally said you're welcome to join us because of course the

01:25:20.040 conservatives need all the help they can get at this point um and rupert lowe has got a stellar

01:25:25.080 reputation amongst politicos like the people who are following politics no one's got a bad word to say

01:25:31.320 about him like the worst thing that the bbc could find from someone even on the ground was he's not from

01:25:36.360 around here which is funny um that's it's the worst what can you do about that it's hardly a moral failing

01:25:43.240 is it um but uh yeah no it's um it's quite mental well he just seems to genuinely being a good chap

01:25:51.560 and so it's really rough seeing this frankly um russian says boomers are too entrenched to split

01:25:57.560 from reform i reckon there's just another attempt at splintering the first chance of political change

01:26:01.640 we've had in decades always happens to the right always yeah i know i know but that's the thing isn't

01:26:05.720 it it's it's always going to be this way if we have to be like well it's farage or no one so it

01:26:10.680 doesn't matter how badly farage treats people they just have to get slapped in the face and suck

01:26:14.840 it up it's like i don't know man i hate that i really hate that and it's it and it's only

01:26:20.520 always going to be nigel while there's no alternative if there's no alternative to nigel

01:26:24.360 of course there's only nigel because you literally made sure that there's no alternative uh someone

01:26:28.440 online says if your party cannot stand up to the criticisms of your friends there's not going to

01:26:31.960 be able to stand up to the slander of your enemies and that's a that's another great point as well

01:26:35.960 uh last says when you're over 60 your character is very well set we can infer from this that nigel

01:26:41.240 farage is an incorrigible backstabbing rat his physiotomy tracks as well um your friendly hope

01:26:48.200 not hate operative says uh breaking news politicians are lying to protect their political brand

01:26:53.240 the expensive seemingly honest and decent elected official uh yeah i know it's not not exactly

01:26:59.000 revelationary but you know i think it's worth knowing because i think really that that is for people

01:27:04.840 around nigel farage right lee anderson richard tice yousef like you know you are just as much on the

01:27:12.360 chopping block as anyone else if you don't do exactly as you're told and just praise nigel

01:27:16.520 farage non-stop right yeah like that you are exactly as on the chopping block as anyone else

01:27:21.240 you know it's it's your pride not mine uh i don't have to worry about that

01:27:25.400 damnonia woodsman says i've considered getting involved in my local branch of reform however the

01:27:29.640 only reason i haven't as of yet so i feel farage will dump reform as soon as he gets bored of it

01:27:33.320 yeah that's another thing as well i think i feel that if nigel doesn't quite get the stellar result

01:27:37.800 he wants he'll just piss off he'll just piss off like they're doing very little like there were

01:27:41.800 there were nine by elections recently uh the reform got nothing in and there are there were council

01:27:47.560 elections as well and there are uh local elections coming up in may and if they don't do well like

01:27:53.240 what's farage gonna do is he gonna be like oh well you know soldier on he seems very reluctant to

01:27:59.480 actually lead and because if you lead you want to persuade others to follow you and he constantly

01:28:05.800 says well if i if i say this people are gonna have an issue with take issue with it if i say that people

01:28:12.200 are gonna take an issue with it that's your job yeah and you know what when when he said that you're

01:28:18.360 gonna get a romanian for a neighbor he got a lot of backlash in the press and he seems to have backed

01:28:23.800 down on his hard anti-immigration rhetoric from that but it was like okay but that that's true

01:28:28.600 that happened like in a million like something like a million of them came it's a load that's

01:28:33.640 loads that he was not wrong uh but anyway um michael says we're all waiting for this nige can't have

01:28:38.760 anyone actually try and do something that helps he has captured opposition always has been part of

01:28:42.840 the uni party rupert is politically naive because he is not a careerist and i get the sense that he would

01:28:48.520 rather be at home with his family but he knows this is work he must do because he is able yeah well

01:28:53.640 that's the thing again is about oak shots genuinely evil dagger smile it's like you know i know we've

01:28:59.800 screwed you rupert you know you're naive i i just load that so much i really despised it it's something

01:29:06.600 a villain would say yeah no it's literally what the villain says yeah it's not like you know you you were

01:29:11.960 horrible we didn't want you it's like you were naive yeah you were naive you didn't realize that we

01:29:17.000 could just crush you like an ant because we've got these you know we've got the setup for when you

01:29:21.720 became inconvenient and it's like that's just horrible i hate it more than anything i really

01:29:27.000 hate that i don't i don't want i don't want to be part of a party that works that way i'm not a

01:29:31.000 member you have pharaohs like baron harkonnen yeah my reform my party exactly my dune i'm sorry i

01:29:38.200 actually would like to run the political party like house of tradies actually rather than house

01:29:43.480 harkonnen if that's too much to ask for and if it is too much so that's fine i know lots of decent

01:29:49.400 people who would also like to run a party like house of tradies you know maybe maybe we should

01:29:53.800 uh maybe we should ever think about that uh danny says uh they they think they could move low out

01:29:58.760 but not surprisingly are so so so self-absorbed not realizing the amount of support he has this is

01:30:04.280 a catastrophic own goal and i hate to see it but for our history of this yeah yeah absolutely

01:30:11.400 um eloise says influence a cult uh culture and cult of personality makes people terrible leaders as

01:30:18.120 no one cares about the community occasion and securing the well-being of the group anymore

01:30:21.400 only their own egos and glory and their own legacy which is starkly built reputation

01:30:25.480 contribution and maintaining groups yeah and farash has done this his entire career i absolutely agree

01:30:30.600 with this comment yeah it was completely true it's completely true like trump is going to remembered

01:30:36.280 like literally it's going to be remembered as a golden age right it is like and it's trump's ability to

01:30:41.800 be a coalition builder that is now this he's just brought everyone in and said yeah i really like

01:30:46.920 you this is great and everyone's like oh brilliant he really likes me it's just trump's you know but

01:30:50.440 like he's good at making people feel appreciated and wanted and nigel frankly is not uh he ain't the

01:30:56.600 guy anyway thanks for joining us folks we will be back tomorrow at the same time i'm sure i'm sure

01:31:03.720 no controversial things will happen as a result of this podcast so have a great evening and we'll see you

01:31:08.040 see you tomorrow

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - March 10, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1117

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