The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1119

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters, episode 1119, on the 12th of March,

00:00:05.880 2025. I am your host Connor, joined by Carl and Harry, and today on the show we will be

00:00:11.760 discussing the persecution of one Rupert Lowe. All of us would follow him into battle at a

00:00:16.680 moment's notice. By the way, the Southport cover-up being proven true, and the Dr. Evil

00:00:21.300 theory of history. Some very interesting topics for what will be my last show at LotusEaters.com.

00:00:26.780 Just wanted to say to everyone, before we do kick off, absolute pleasure serving alongside

00:00:31.380 you gents. Audience are always lovely. I'm sure the video comments are going to be, they're

00:00:35.380 going to roast me sufficiently. And in order for it being my last show, I'm going to do

00:00:39.440 the last episode of Tomlinson Talks at 3, live to everyone who has a LotusEaters.com membership,

00:00:43.920 and I'll be taking questions and comments and answering to the best of my ability. But

00:00:48.940 without further ado, Carl, please kick us off.

00:00:51.720 So the question I think that is on everyone's lips at the moment is, why is Nigel Frosh so

00:00:55.500 afraid of Rupert Lowe? If he is claiming to support and do all of the things that Rupert

00:01:00.300 Lowe has been hammering the media and the political environment on, why are they even

00:01:05.760 in conflict? And I actually think I can explain this. So let us begin by first shilling the

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00:01:32.620 So Nigel Farage has many people on his back at the moment because he seems to be trying to play

00:01:40.560 two sides of an argument. And I don't think he can continue to do this forever. So you get people

00:01:47.180 like Jack Buckby, who have been long involved in British right-wing politics going from one

00:01:53.900 quite far side to a more moderate side. But the point he makes here is true. Farage has always

00:01:59.860 been late to the game on almost every issue that he has actually championed. The only one he's actually

00:02:04.760 been ahead of the curve on is Brexit, obviously. But everything else that he's done, he's always

00:02:09.060 been behind the times on. And this is something that people have noticed. And so I just did a bit

00:02:13.420 of a deep dive. So the first public, the first real public attention I could find with Farage

00:02:21.080 talking about the grooming gangs was in 2014, after the release of the Alexis J report, when it was

00:02:27.360 mainstream news. And I covered it at the time as well, and various other people did. And so he did

00:02:31.880 that in December in 2014. And so this obviously got people's, got him some negative press coverage,

00:02:39.600 but it was the right thing to do. And it was good that someone was doing it. So that's good.

00:02:44.500 And so the next one is in 2015, where he said there were no go zones for non-Muslims in France,

00:02:51.020 which again, good thing to be making a point of. Well, how's the French Jewish population doing 0.99

00:02:56.420 these days? Exactly. And in 2015, he said there were Muslim ghettos running Sharia law in England.

00:03:02.600 We have the most Sharia courts of any European country. Yep. So that's true. Yeah, it's all true. 1.00

00:03:08.620 He accused Muslims in 2015 of having split loyalties between the UK and Islam. And in 2015,

00:03:16.260 again, he criticised female gender mutilation and Sharia law and Sharia courts, which again,

00:03:22.500 not wrong. In 2017, he was on LBC talking about grooming gangs. Well, again, these weren't necessarily

00:03:29.220 popular things to talk about either. So give him his credit where it's due. But again,

00:03:34.440 he's definitely not the first to have done this. He's always travelling behind the wave.

00:03:39.280 Can I make a quick thing on that as well? Well, yeah, go ahead.

00:03:42.940 So at ARC, I spoke to Ben Habib and I said, have your outlooks on reform improved ever since

00:03:50.520 Nigel Farage put out a video saying that Donald Trump is conducting mass deportations of illegal

00:03:56.260 immigrants. Our countries are different, but the principle is the same. If you come here 0.99

00:03:59.640 illegally, don't expect to stay. And Ben said, well, you would expect Nigel to do that now

00:04:04.840 that Trump said it. And so what I think you're pointing out is a phenomena here of where the

00:04:09.440 Overton window moves ahead of Farage. And when he sees it safe, he'll run to catch up with it.

00:04:14.200 Yes. And then he'll make a point of saying, I was always doing this. It's like, yeah, you

00:04:18.480 were, you know, after the fact, which don't get me wrong. It's not that you need to have

00:04:25.980 to be the crest of the wave or anything. It's okay to come in after the fact, but then don't

00:04:30.740 act like you were the crest of the wave. But anyway, so in 2018, he found that UKIP, his

00:04:37.700 party, he wasn't the leader at the time, but he was during 2015 and 2014 when he was saying

00:04:43.380 these things. Um, in 2018, he leaves UKIP because of its preoccupation with Islam and

00:04:49.620 grooming gangs. And he was like, well, we definitely want to work on an anti-Islamic 0.93

00:04:53.620 party. And it's like, okay, but what was, what was all this then? What were you doing

00:04:58.100 with all this? If, I mean, oh, I, you know what? Muslims are forming ghettos or no-go 1.00

00:05:04.200 zones in France. Muslims got split loyalty in the UK. I'm not hot on female genital 1.00

00:05:08.040 mutilation in Sharia courts. Uh, grooming gangs are a problem. Why am I surrounded by 0.98

00:05:13.000 Islamophobes? I don't know, Nigel. I think maybe you were signaling to them actually

00:05:17.840 with all of this. And, uh, so obviously he left UKIP, threw UKIP completely under the

00:05:23.380 bus and, uh, tried to sully their reputation, obviously. And this carries on until now where

00:05:29.500 Elon had his New Year's rampage about, uh, grooming gangs and Tommy Robinson and various

00:05:35.440 other things. And of course, Nigel Farage took the opportunity to throw Tommy Robinson under

00:05:40.160 the bus because there's just literally no one he won't throw. But on January the 6th,

00:05:45.040 he did call for a grooming gang inquiry. Okay. That's good. Uh, at least finally he's calling

00:05:52.340 for something useful to happen. Now this was nearly, well, three months ago now. Uh, what's

00:05:59.320 happened? Nothing.

00:06:00.220 So the reform party position, because they voted for it, was for a national inquiry that had

00:06:06.620 statutory legal powers to compel people to come and give evidence. And they then said,

00:06:11.180 if this does not go ahead, we will pursue a private prosecution like they did with the

00:06:16.720 two men who attacked police officers at Manchester airport. And then the Crown Prosecution Service

00:06:20.680 eventually brought charges against them. So they do have within, within their power, the ability

00:06:26.440 to bring forward a private inquiry. And it might not be able to compel public officials who helped

00:06:32.540 cover it up to give evidence, but you could easily televise it, live stream it, produce the findings

00:06:39.180 in a report and park your tanks on Starmer's front lawn as to why the government are unwilling

00:06:44.580 to do this when lots of evidence hasn't been given their hearing before. And they haven't brought

00:06:49.740 that forward and they haven't brought any announcements forwards about it yet.

00:06:52.900 Yes. And at the reform conference in January, he did say that he was putting Keir Starmer under

00:06:58.200 immense pressure because previous inquiries he called a shotgun approach, whereas he'd wanted

00:07:03.400 a rifle shot dealing with gangs, gangs, quote, predominantly of Pakistani origin, preying 0.95

00:07:08.240 on young, in most class cases, working class white girls. Okay. Yep. So that's exactly the right kind 1.00

00:07:13.400 of language, the right kind of approach, in fact. So what's happened with it? Well, the answer is

00:07:18.140 just nothing. He, uh, he welcomed the fact that Andy Burnham from Greater Manchester had come out and

00:07:24.220 also endorsed the same thing. And so you would think that he would pick up this momentum,

00:07:27.620 get some work done and actually make some noise and get some movement on this issue.

00:07:32.180 And have it be bipartisan as well, because if, if the smartest political play would be to say,

00:07:37.420 I am going to launch a, a private prosecution or private inquiry. I would like the cooperation

00:07:43.960 from the leader of the opposition, Kimmy Badenock, because even if I don't agree with the fact that

00:07:47.740 she never raised it in her entire time as parliament at the despatch box, I would like her help to show

00:07:52.420 consensus on this. And with Andy Burnham's cooperation considering, and it's not his fault, but

00:07:56.960 lots of these grooming gangs are operating in Manchester's own backyard. And so he would say,

00:08:01.480 this is cross-spectrum support, and that would put even more pressure on Starmer.

00:08:04.920 Yes. Now, what this would also require is a spine of steel. You would have to have a backbone to do

00:08:10.920 all of this, because the problem with Nigel is that he makes sure the wave is fully broken ahead of

00:08:16.520 him before popping his head up to add his takes to it, in order to make sure that he doesn't get

00:08:22.840 the blowback, because he personally doesn't like the blowback. And we know this from Catherine

00:08:27.600 Blakelock, because she has worked with Nigel for something like 20 years. She knows him very,

00:08:31.420 very well. And she's written an article for us that you can go and read on the website in your

00:08:35.100 own time. But she says, quote,

00:08:37.560 So, I mean, he has made some comments, but nothing as strong until Elon Musk mainstreamed it in the

00:09:05.180 discourse. And again, he's behind the crest of the wave. He has to follow as someone else has led.

00:09:10.180 Well, also, lots of other people led to that discourse becoming global who do not have Farage's

00:09:16.980 status, wealth, and level of insulation. So I'm thinking Sam Bidwell, Charlie Peters. I contributed

00:09:23.240 a bit.

00:09:25.100 I mean, everyone on Twitter was tweeting about it before Musk suddenly picked it up.

00:09:28.820 Exactly.

00:09:29.260 We made the discourse was what Musk was reacting to, which is great. You know, it's superb.

00:09:33.880 Farage wasn't a part of it. Farage came in after it, just like coming back to Clacton after,

00:09:39.800 oh, they've got a poll out of 35%. Oh, Nigel Farage will parachute himself in then. So he's never at

00:09:44.460 the crest of the wave. And this, just in case you're wondering, this is the quote, because

00:09:49.780 they called him a racist for saying, do you really want loads of unwashed Romanian men next door to

00:09:54.500 you?

00:09:54.880 Well, we now know that in the stats that have just been released by the Centre for Migration

00:09:58.560 Control, Romanian men are vastly overrepresented in the number of sex attacks they commit.

00:10:02.480 So, 10 years on, completely vindicated.

00:10:05.120 But the one time he was ahead of the wave on this, right, because they were going to open

00:10:09.080 up to, what was it, Romania and Bulgaria?

00:10:11.780 Schengen's zone, yeah.

00:10:12.420 Schengen's zone, yeah. The one time Farage was actually ahead of the wave, he got slammed

00:10:16.460 as a racist, and then that was it. Never again was he going to put himself first and lead

00:10:21.940 on the issue.

00:10:22.740 This is the confusing part. Reform's media strategy has been, at least as I've been told,

00:10:29.280 very Ming-Vars. They wanted to carry it softly over the line, at least past the local elections 0.98

00:10:34.640 when they can cement some wins. And they thought, in order to do that, they only had to focus

00:10:39.620 on mainstream networks. For example, Zia Youssef was invited for an interview on the New Culture

00:10:45.360 Forum. He said it was too right-wing. Peter Whittle, gay man.

00:10:49.400 Yeah, but Peter Whittle, a very reasonable chap.

00:10:51.820 Yes, but if you were trying to say external perceptions...

00:10:55.400 How is he not respectable?

00:10:58.260 But that's the point, isn't it?

00:10:59.320 Yes.

00:10:59.540 He didn't say he's not respectable. He didn't say he wouldn't be an interesting interlocutor.

00:11:03.340 He said, too right-wing. Ideological position.

00:11:06.060 Ideological and governed by external perceptions, because the networks we would like to go on,

00:11:10.600 like the BBC, Sky, ITV, Channel 4, even though they might have orchestrated a setup with

00:11:15.820 a paid actor on Farage's Clacton campaign to rubbish the entire party, they would call

00:11:21.360 us racists. So all of their media strategy is governed by avoiding being called racist

00:11:26.360 by the people that are always going to be calling them racist. It's perplexing.

00:11:29.900 They're literally paid to call you a racist. So anyway, moving on. So recently, Nigel Farage

00:11:35.300 and Reform, in the wake of the Rupert Lode debacle, have been ramping up the anti-immigrant

00:11:40.380 rhetoric, which is interesting, because it was only a couple of months ago on Bloomberg,

00:11:43.340 he was like, I'm not anti-immigrant. It's like, okay, but this is definitely what's 1.00

00:11:46.380 going to be considered to be anti-immigrant rhetoric, when you say one in four sexual

00:11:49.680 offences are committed by immigrants. And then reform will arrest and deport those who 1.00

00:11:54.100 commit offences. Unlike everyone else, I've been saying this since 2013. Well, I couldn't

00:11:58.840 find anything from 2013. And I couldn't actually find that from 2013 either. But the most sort

00:12:03.840 of spicy things we've already covered. But the point, again, being, he's not on the crest

00:12:10.600 of the wave. Rupert Lode was at the crest of the wave, causing the problem that Nigel

00:12:16.220 Farage is now saying this in response to. And this is a repeated pattern. Nigel is not

00:12:21.520 a leader. He is, in fact, a follower. He is always behind where he needs to be.

00:12:26.200 So, anyway, this, this, the debacle between Elon Musk, uh, Elon Musk, uh, Nigel Farage

00:12:33.760 and, uh, Rupert Lode obviously came to a head. And I think this is where he obviously got

00:12:39.460 the actual target on his back, where, of course, Elon Musk sussed out Nigel Farage

00:12:43.440 very quickly. Oh, he's not on the crest of the wave. He's not the guy, like Trump, who's

00:12:47.820 going to stand up and say, you know what, I don't care about any of your opinions. I'm,

00:12:50.620 this is the right thing and we're going to stand on this. Nigel Farage didn't do that.

00:12:54.380 He backed down. He equivocated. He essentially showed that he didn't have a spine. Whereas

00:12:58.380 Rupert Lode said, no, this is it. And I make no apologies. And so Elon was very quick to

00:13:02.180 say, ah, yes, this is the man. In fact. Well, he, the interesting thing is he didn't

00:13:07.000 explicitly say that Rupert Lode should take over. He said, I've never met him, but I like

00:13:11.660 what he tweets. Yes. But everyone knows what that means implicitly. And there's no way

00:13:16.980 that Nigel Farage looked at that and said, yeah, he's not saying that Rupert Lode should

00:13:19.660 take over. He's just said, I'm not the guy and reform needs a new leader. The reason I'm

00:13:23.300 just drawing that distinction is because Rupert himself had never challenged Farage's

00:13:29.060 leadership. Again, I'll say it. And he's praised it, in fact. He's in fact, like, if you look

00:13:32.500 at, there are a bunch of reform conferences where Rupert Lode has got up and praised Farage's

00:13:35.420 leadership. Yeah. In private, he has been saying for a long time until this week, Nigel Farage

00:13:39.900 deserves to be prime minister because of his tireless campaigning on Brexit. It's exactly

00:13:43.180 my opinion on it. I would have happily supported Nigel Farage if he hadn't, frankly, been

00:13:47.300 doing the things he was doing. He said it was the conclusion of his narrative arc. Exactly.

00:13:50.300 And I agree, it should be. But ultimately, Farage has just not stepped into the role. He needs

00:13:55.760 to be at the crest of the wave, leading, not following. And this, again, I think is why

00:14:00.100 Elon Musk sussed him out so quickly, because he wasn't prepared to stand on the point of

00:14:04.000 principle. So anyway, the war between Rupert Lode and Nigel Farage is going really badly

00:14:10.020 for Nigel Farage, as far as I can tell. Farage came out here and said that there was a parliamentary

00:14:15.900 investigation against Rupert Lowe. Didn't he get the date wrong as well? He said it was

00:14:19.480 on the 29th of February? He did. He said he was reported on the 29th of February. There

00:14:23.580 was no leap year this year. So there was no 29th of February. I mean, you know, easy mistake

00:14:28.300 to make, I guess. I don't want to make too much of it. But like, that didn't happen. And

00:14:32.120 Adam here has written to the parliamentary investigations office, and they're like, no, there is no case

00:14:36.480 open against Rupert Lowe. You should follow Adam, by the way, because he does phenomenal

00:14:39.900 work, especially on the grooming gang transcripts. He's been the one trying to procure them. So

00:14:43.480 well done, sir. He's doing great work, and he's done good work here. So that's not true. So

00:14:48.840 interesting. And then Rupert Lowe tweeted this. You can see, he says, there have been repeated

00:14:55.400 attempts from senior reform figures that my language on the rape gangs was too strong, too

00:15:00.600 robust, too tough. And then he explains and goes down and says, my view is clear. Anyone with any

00:15:07.140 knowledge of these crimes and who fail to act is as guilty as the rapists themselves. We must deport

00:15:12.640 foreign nationals who knew. If that means entire communities go, then that is what must happen. 0.99

00:15:16.920 Now, that is a strong statement. But how could you find yourself in disagreement with it?

00:15:22.840 You look like you're happy with that, Harry.

00:15:24.800 That's a great statement. No, no, that's a fantastic statement. Very strong, entirely necessary.

00:15:31.200 And it's also worrying that that opening statement that you made about the fact that him just having

00:15:35.580 strong rhetoric at all on the grooming gangs causes issues within reform, that's a bit of an

00:15:41.560 indictment of the character of those people in reform, because why would you be more outraged

00:15:45.580 of him talking about it rather than the actual grooming gangs themselves? That's very establishment

00:15:51.600 mainstream kind of position to take.

00:15:54.160 Old style of politics, right? And it's showing that Farage is actually kind of like yesterday's

00:15:58.820 man, because actually what the times now call for is someone like Rupert Lowe say, you know

00:16:03.900 what? This is the statement. If you find that too much, that's too bad. I'm not walking this

00:16:08.880 back, and he says, I won't be silenced on that by anyone, because this is what I believe, because

00:16:12.560 this is the right thing. And he is, of course, completely correct. If you were party to a rape

00:16:18.000 gang by just staying silent on it because of familial loyalty or something like that, then you're

00:16:22.220 culpable. You are culpable.

00:16:23.840 You're part of a larger conspiracy to conceal it.

00:16:26.680 Yeah, exactly. You're culpable, and therefore you are also guilty of allowing this to happen.

00:16:30.940 Like, if I knew about that, because the first thing I'd do is straight to the police.

00:16:33.840 It doesn't matter who it is. Obviously, you don't...

00:16:36.060 Within your community, you don't want the rapist living next door, but similarly, you

00:16:40.720 don't want the person who knew about the raping and didn't say anything and didn't go to the

00:16:44.940 police living next door either.

00:16:46.880 Well, it's not just silence. This is... At the trials, as we've covered before, the

00:16:50.900 daughters can shout out, I love you, Dad. The families, when they've been interviewed

00:16:54.100 by other Muslim women, will say, have you seen how those white girls dress? They're kafir. 1.00

00:16:57.700 They deserved it.

00:16:58.520 There was a BBC sort of mini-documentary where they were interviewing a bunch of Muslims, and there's

00:17:02.540 just one Muslim girl in a dance hall just doing ballet or something. And she was like, 0.95

00:17:06.020 yeah, we all knew, but we all just said nothing. It's like, okay.

00:17:10.140 All right.

00:17:10.720 You can't live alongside those people. You can't do it.

00:17:14.120 That's not fair.

00:17:15.040 If I may make one quick comment, the reason that Nigel Farage is looking like yesterday's

00:17:18.800 man now is the same reason that Rupert Lowe has gained such an organic following over

00:17:22.800 time. It's because he understands how Twitter has completely changed the game.

00:17:25.660 It has not just allowed him to circumvent a coordinated media and party press release

00:17:34.040 reputation destruction job with a few tweets in a few days, but it's also allowed him to

00:17:39.520 circumvent the gatekeeping, which tightly controls the Overton window. Because Farage is operating

00:17:46.160 according to what the dinner party circuit, what the donors, what the media, and what fellow

00:17:52.600 politicians will deem as being racist. Whereas Rupert Lowe has looked at X, gone, hold on

00:17:58.580 a minute. This was an effective register of public mood, because the overwhelming sentiment

00:18:03.860 on X was MAGA, and then Trump won the popular vote. So this means this is where the public

00:18:07.580 are. So I'm just going to speak directly to the public, unfiltered, and gaining a following

00:18:12.180 because of it. And so he's not just thwarted the reputation destruction effort, but he is

00:18:17.020 actually, like a true populist, giving the people permission to say what they already believe,

00:18:21.820 and also leading the people to said promised land.

00:18:24.480 And that's the important thing. Rupert Lowe's following is organic because he is leading

00:18:27.820 from the front. He is not waiting for someone else to clear the ground and make it sanitized

00:18:32.660 so I can step on without getting too much slime from the media on me. No, he said, right,

00:18:37.300 I don't care. I'm going to say what my piece, this is what's going to happen. And people

00:18:41.500 are rushing in to follow him. Again, the distinction in leadership styles could not be more stark.

00:18:47.640 Farage is always behind the curve because he doesn't want to get in trouble. Rupert Lowe

00:18:52.040 has just said, no, we're pushing through.

00:18:54.280 And this was an interesting point that AA made on his stream yesterday about this, which was that

00:18:58.620 MAGA was very eager to take advantage of the momentum that was being built online,

00:19:03.760 and very, very eager to liaise with and interact with the online communities who appreciated MAGA

00:19:09.400 anyone's support of him. Farage doesn't want anything to do with these people.

00:19:14.000 Rupert's happy to interact with us. Rupert's happy to speak to people. Farage sees it all

00:19:18.760 as beneath him because it's beneath the Westminster dinner table class.

00:19:23.080 Yeah, exactly. Anyway, so like I said, at the beginning of this, Rupert said that there was

00:19:27.360 a belief from senior reform figures that my language was too robust and they were trying

00:19:31.320 to silence him. Well, that's an allegation. So normally when something like this would be

00:19:38.040 alleged, the person would come out and deny it. And so then it's a he said, she said,

00:19:42.620 no, you've got to side with the person who says that didn't happen because you need affirmative

00:19:45.560 proof. Well, that would be the case unless they just come out and say, yeah, I did do

00:19:49.040 that. I just, yeah, I silenced Rupert Lowe on that. So Nigel Farage admits that he did

00:19:53.940 silence Rupert Lowe and says, right, even no matter what happens now, he'll never be allowed

00:19:58.100 back into reform. So, okay, brilliant. You've lost your brightest star and a person who...

00:20:03.980 One good MP, gone. Who next, Nigel?

00:20:06.900 The guy who was doing something like 56% of all the work, the guy who was actually actively

00:20:11.100 fundraising to help his constituents. So yeah, he said, obviously there'd be no way back

00:20:15.440 for him. And Nigel Farage says in his speech in Essex that he talks about, what I stopped

00:20:21.820 him from using was the word repatriation. I told him not to use the word repatriation as

00:20:26.480 well as mass deportations. So you did silence him on that. You were just saying, he says,

00:20:32.600 you silenced me on this and you say, I silenced you on that.

00:20:35.360 His exact words were, I thought it was a very grave, dark and dangerous use of language.

00:20:40.660 Right. So what Farage is saying there...

00:20:42.560 School mom, tone policing. 0.77

00:20:44.580 Categorically. One, it's very feminine to be governed by external perceptions. Rupert Lowe

00:20:47.560 doesn't do that. Secondly, Farage is explicitly saying the two-tier justice system that he was

00:20:52.320 rallying against in the aftermath of Southport will remain in place for illegal immigrants.

00:20:56.760 Because now, if you are refusing to deport every single illegal immigrant in this country, 0.98

00:21:01.040 that means you are comfortable with a level of law-breaking. And so Reform's party platform,

00:21:06.200 much to our dismay, is we will allow illegal immigrants to stay in the country because 1.00

00:21:10.540 we don't want to be called racist. What is the point?

00:21:13.120 Because, oh, it's very grave, dark language. It's like, don't you think the rapes are worse?

00:21:17.400 Yeah.

00:21:17.900 Like, sorry, I hate to get all Norm Macdonald on you on this, but I think the grooming gangs

00:21:21.640 were worse, actually, than the language Rupert Lowe has used. And Rupert Lowe, he was told

00:21:26.520 not to say it at the Reform conference, and he said it anyway. You've got to love it. You've

00:21:29.920 got to love that kind of attitude. Again, that is what leading from the front is. These

00:21:35.640 people are going to object to this, but it's the right thing to do, and so I'm going to

00:21:38.560 do it. Anyway, so Matt Goodwinson, Matt Goodwin, sorry, came out in defense of Nigel Farage

00:21:44.580 on this. And I hate this now, because unfortunately, like, you're going to have to pick a side.

00:21:50.960 You're either with the person leading from the front and telling the truth, or you're with

00:21:55.840 the person who leads from the rear and is telling lies, frankly.

00:21:59.460 Not just lies. As Ben Habib pointed out, it's not just that Farage says Lowe can't come back.

00:22:04.500 It's why would Lowe want to come back when Farage has supported bringing what seemed like

00:22:09.420 trumped-up charges against him, which, if they were successful, Rupert Lowe would go to prison.

00:22:14.460 Yep.

00:22:15.000 Like, so, if you support Farage at this stage...

00:22:18.080 Being ruined forever.

00:22:18.700 Yeah, if you support Farage at this stage, it's not just mean girl reputation destruction.

00:22:22.040 It's the potential of sending him to prison for saying something that he's saying he

00:22:27.820 didn't even say.

00:22:29.400 So, look, I really like Matt. I've had him on my show twice, you know, we've...

00:22:32.680 Yeah, I've had Matt on the show. I like Matt.

00:22:34.960 Matt was one of the two people in Reform that's basically keeping my faith in there, alongside

00:22:38.240 Rupert.

00:22:38.960 Yep.

00:22:39.580 I think he's not only picked the wrong side here, but if Farage and Zia Yusuf are not below 0.54

00:22:44.880 these tactics, Matt, do you not think they won't come for you next? Because you are the

00:22:49.180 most eligible successor to Farage currently in the party, and if there's one thing they

00:22:53.180 can't abide, especially Zia Yusuf, it's people getting in his way.

00:22:56.680 I mean, everyone around Farage must understand they're a marked man. Like, he's got such

00:23:01.000 a long history, we covered it in the podcast earlier in the week, of his long history

00:23:04.080 of throwing people under the bus and destroying them to the best of his ability, which is what

00:23:08.300 he's just tried with Rupert Lowe. You're not safe with him, Matt. He will do this

00:23:12.260 to you. Anyway, Matt had this contradictory, well, an argument with Rupert Lowe, because

00:23:19.560 Rupert Lowe pointed out, well, no, they did censor him on the term mass deportations, and

00:23:23.920 so Matt said, well, in reality, it's an unworkable, unpopular, and impossible policy. I don't think

00:23:31.020 that's true, Matt, and I know because, like Connor, I read your substack. Connor, you replied

00:23:37.940 to this. Do you want to just explain your reply very quickly?

00:23:39.500 Yeah, so Matt was alleging that Rupert Lowe had called for the deporting of British nationals,

00:23:44.340 which is not true. He's never said that ever. And in fact...

00:23:46.800 I think that might be in reference to his statement that we need to deport the communities 0.99

00:23:52.460 that hid the crime.

00:23:54.880 He said foreign nationals.

00:23:55.920 Yeah.

00:23:56.080 Explicitly, he said foreign nationals and dual nationals. And according to the law, and there's

00:23:59.080 two pieces of law here, the 2007 Nationality and Borders Act, plus under the Blair government,

00:24:03.940 means that if you commit an offence that gives you a 12-month prison sentence, under Section

00:24:08.220 32, you are automatically eligible for deportation, unless under Section 33, human rights law intervenes.

00:24:13.740 But it's in the Reform Manifesto to leave the ECHR and abolish the Human Rights Act. So

00:24:17.740 that would make these deportations automatic. So what is 13,000 foreign criminals deported

00:24:21.780 if not a mass deportation?

00:24:23.420 And then the other thing on that, the Shamima Begum principle, which I know that Nigel Farage

00:24:28.200 doesn't agree with because he spoke about bringing her back, despite her rotting in

00:24:32.460 a Syrian desert somewhere, deservedly, it means that if you have dual nationality, we 1.00

00:24:36.840 can take away your British nationality so that you aren't stateless and you can belong to 0.98

00:24:40.480 another country if you've committed a crime against the country. These are all popular 0.98

00:24:43.340 positions, and I know this because we read Matt Substack, and in Why the Woke Left Lost,

00:24:47.500 a recent substack that Matt pointed me to when I wanted to make the case in another article

00:24:52.260 for why this is an unpopular position, the position that immigration should increase, all of

00:24:57.700 the other suite of woke progressive opinions, are only 8-10% of the country. Whereas the

00:25:01.720 Telegraph found recently that Donald Trump's mass deportation policy, if you go back to

00:25:05.920 that previous graph there, has, I think it's 58% public support. So if we just copied Donald

00:25:11.880 Trump's mass deportations policy, which he called mass deportations and won over Hispanic 0.63

00:25:15.940 men with, reform would win more than 20% of the electorate that they actually need to get

00:25:21.500 a majority.

00:25:22.480 And it's kind of crazy that we're even debating this, because obviously stripping the dual

00:25:27.040 nationality, the British nationality from a dual national and sending them home is the 0.83

00:25:31.860 right thing to do if they commit a crime in this country. Obviously the public are going

00:25:35.440 to be behind this. And so saying, well, this is an unpopular and unworkable policy, it's

00:25:39.040 like, well, no, it doesn't seem unworkable at all. And it seems to me that it'll be very

00:25:43.160 popular. And it wouldn't take very much of a media push to get people to understand this

00:25:47.720 is actually a good thing.

00:25:48.640 It's not just not unworkable at all. One, I remember the Ryanair boss proposing that you

00:25:54.480 could use as flights, but two, as I pointed out there in the recent quarterly migration

00:25:57.820 statistics in 2024, we process, British airports processed 132.3 million arrivals. Now let's

00:26:05.180 say the conservative estimate of illegal migrants in 2017 by Pew Research, 1.2 million is accurate.

00:26:11.440 It's more than that, right? That's a couple of weeks. If you mobilized it, a couple of weeks.

00:26:17.580 Privatize it.

00:26:18.420 Anyway, moving on. So Rupert Lowe came out and said, well, look, I make a promise to you all

00:26:21.960 today. I will hold this inquiry into the Pakistani rape gangs. I will source the funding. I will 1.00

00:26:26.420 make it happen. Plans now already underway. Reform and Farage failed to do so. I will not.

00:26:31.000 When I make a promise, I will keep it.

00:26:32.820 Did we think that anyone else in reform was going to do this in Rupert's absence? No,

00:26:37.240 obviously not. And so Farage finally, after all of this, decided to respond to Rupert Lowe.

00:26:45.080 Now, this, as you can see from the ratio, in fact, the ratio is worse than this.

00:26:51.120 It's 3.7 to, no, it's 4.5.

00:26:53.260 It's worse.

00:26:54.900 Oh, it's 4.5 to 2.2. I mean, I did reply to Farage and I got more likes.

00:27:00.940 Everyone did. Everyone did. Like, you know.

00:27:04.060 Rupert's 17. Wow.

00:27:05.340 Yeah, exactly. Rupert's 17 to his too.

00:27:08.600 So Nigel Farage said, I have fought against the rape gangs for over a decade.

00:27:11.520 Well, I don't think I would say that, Nigel.

00:27:13.580 You have mentioned it in passing a few times and then you left UKIP because Jared Batten took you seriously

00:27:19.520 and wanted to do something about the rape gangs. 0.52

00:27:22.260 And so you're like, what? Tommy Robinson? Islam? Rape gangs? I'm out of here.

00:27:26.340 You're weirdos. Why have you become a party of weirdos obsessed with Islam and rape gangs? 1.00

00:27:30.080 You've got this YouTuber in here now. 0.99

00:27:31.940 Yeah, exactly. It didn't. I wasn't the thing that came up.

00:27:34.740 It was about the obsession with the rape gangs in Islam.

00:27:38.400 It's like, okay, but have you campaigned against them or not?

00:27:40.920 Why did you leave UKIP then?

00:27:42.220 If you've been fighting the rape gangs, what would be the reason, right?

00:27:44.340 There's also a difference between condemning it and proposing a policy to do something about it.

00:27:48.140 Yeah, which he didn't do, obviously.

00:27:50.840 And then for him to say, he carries on and says,

00:27:52.820 for Rupert Lode to say that I tried to prevent him from talking about this is monstrous.

00:27:56.160 Well, you admitted that you did.

00:27:58.560 You were like, no, you can't talk about it in this way.

00:28:00.080 You have to talk about it in my way or else.

00:28:01.700 He told Lee Anderson that he would slit the throat of the Reform Party.

00:28:04.560 That seems to be a lie.

00:28:06.000 He didn't, because then this is a lie that's morphed as well.

00:28:08.640 Because it began with, he said he'd slit Zia Yusuf's throat, which wasn't true.

00:28:12.280 And now it's, he would slit the throat of the Reform Party, which also wasn't true.

00:28:15.460 He said the Reform Party would slit its own throat if it didn't do whatever it was he thought it needed to do.

00:28:21.200 And so he says,

00:28:22.320 Lowe is out to cause damage and should be ignored by our supporters.

00:28:24.940 So maximum damage control.

00:28:27.620 That's what this is. 0.97

00:28:28.440 And that was bloody foolish, because of course, this gave the opportunity for Rupert Lowe to respond. 0.97

00:28:34.020 Because this is what happens when you engage in the dialectic. 0.95

00:28:36.480 And now the dialectic is moving, and it's moving in our direction.

00:28:40.280 Easily.

00:28:40.900 So much for Twitter not being real life.

00:28:42.260 So much for Twitter not being real life, right?

00:28:44.120 So desperate, Rupert says.

00:28:46.080 I said that Reform leadership was slitting its own throat by launching this horrific smear campaign against me with zero credible evidence.

00:28:51.980 And so far, has anyone seen any evidence?

00:28:54.560 No.

00:28:55.000 What we've seen is Rupert Lowe's own staff going, no, we love Rupert, and you're talking nonsense.

00:28:59.320 He says,

00:29:00.020 I raised questions of Reform policy, communication, and structure.

00:29:02.620 The day after you kicked me out, that's your real motive.

00:29:04.540 Seems to be the case, Nigel.

00:29:07.180 Seems to be the case.

00:29:08.180 Because Rupert, again, was leading from the front, and you were not happy with this, because you want to lead from the back.

00:29:14.980 And so Farage went on Australian Sky News today, this morning, and very, very interesting.

00:29:23.380 But I have to ask about what's been around this week.

00:29:25.600 That one of your MPs seems to have had a bit of a crack, suggesting that all of it is, you know, you being led as a, you being the messiah of the party.

00:29:33.220 Well, I'll give you the tip.

00:29:34.620 The only reason there's any Reform MPs is because of this bloke on the screen right now.

00:29:38.540 Let's be honest about that, okay?

00:29:40.700 So, tell me about Rupert Lowe and why he's wrong, and has he apologised?

00:29:44.260 And is all of this just the people who hate trying to find a way to break you up?

00:29:49.940 Well, look, you know, he has done some good work as an MP.

00:29:54.240 Lots of written questions.

00:29:56.340 Big Twitter ex-following.

00:29:58.820 But I've been here before.

00:30:00.600 I've been here before.

00:30:01.340 You know, you build something up, and somebody else thinks they can do a better job than you.

00:30:05.760 So, I think it's no secret he'd like to be leader.

00:30:08.740 He thinks he's going to be the next Prime Minister.

00:30:11.060 He even said to a group of us the other week,

00:30:13.000 I will destroy anyone that gets in my way.

00:30:16.980 Well, I'm sorry, but I'm in the way.

00:30:18.960 And to have said what he said just two weeks before nominations go in for the English County Council local elections to attempt to spread demoralisation amongst our thousands of volunteers who are out there getting ready really is a very, very bad thing to do.

00:30:37.180 So, the dialectic has moved.

00:30:38.460 It's, these were legitimate complaints by Rupert Lowe's staff when he was threatening Zeeus's life.

00:30:42.840 Well, yeah, the staff dropped their veil of anonymity and said it's bogus, and also it took three to four months for Yusuf to report said threats, so they're not credible.

00:30:51.320 But it's justified us calling the police on him because he challenged my leadership and he spread demoralisation.

00:30:57.680 But notice, he did give the game away.

00:30:59.840 He gave it completely away.

00:31:01.400 He wants to be leader.

00:31:02.760 I thought it was about actual complaints from within his office.

00:31:05.240 I thought it was about crimes, Farage.

00:31:07.140 I thought he was bullying people.

00:31:08.360 No, he wants to be the leader.

00:31:09.680 But Rupert Lowe has never said this.

00:31:11.560 He's never said, I want to be the leader.

00:31:13.180 What he has done is shown leadership.

00:31:15.960 That's what he's done.

00:31:16.720 He's led from the front.

00:31:17.680 He's gone and gone, no, I'm going to do this.

00:31:19.180 I'm going to do that.

00:31:20.240 And Farage perceives that as someone trying to steal the leadership from him.

00:31:24.500 To be fair.

00:31:25.120 He's refusing to get into it.

00:31:26.340 To be fair to Farage's perspective, Farage is just standing there thinking, oh God,

00:31:30.120 this guy's actually useful.

00:31:31.240 Oh God, he does things.

00:31:32.460 Oh God, I don't really do anything actually now that I think about it. 0.79

00:31:36.500 Oh God, he might take my job if I keep being useless. 0.96

00:31:39.020 Er, er, smear him. 0.93

00:31:40.240 That is exactly what has happened because every stage of Farage's career, he's been behind

00:31:44.400 the curve.

00:31:45.220 So someone else, if they get ahead of them, Stephen Wolfe, you know, Douglas Carlswell,

00:31:48.760 whoever it is, no, you're the problem.

00:31:50.380 I've got to continue riding behind the wave rather than being at the crest of it.

00:31:54.540 Ben Habib's so vindicated.

00:31:55.640 Oh, absolutely.

00:31:57.280 But that, and then it's, is it about, is it about allegation?

00:31:59.860 No, it's about, I'm afraid that he's going to be a better leader than I am.

00:32:03.560 And honestly, at this point, anyone would be a better leader than you, Nigel.

00:32:06.080 I do love the implication is that Farage just goes, oh my God, someone's more popular

00:32:09.520 than me.

00:32:09.880 Call the police.

00:32:10.540 Anyway, just to, this has been going on for quite a while, but just to summarize what

00:32:17.480 has also happened, apparently Elon Musk is considering backing Rupert Lowe to form a rival

00:32:21.480 party to Nigel Farage.

00:32:23.020 Do it.

00:32:23.920 Don't join the Tories, Rupert.

00:32:25.500 The Tories, they'll, you'll get sucked in to the arcane machinery of the Tory party and

00:32:29.760 they'll swallow you up and chew you out.

00:32:31.380 You know what I mean, right?

00:32:32.740 The, you don't, don't do it.

00:32:34.080 Form your own party.

00:32:35.240 Do it right.

00:32:36.140 Set the foundations down.

00:32:37.180 Do something good.

00:32:37.960 And something amazing could come of it.

00:32:39.440 We've got four years.

00:32:40.340 That's a lot of time, man.

00:32:41.740 And we will follow you into battle.

00:32:44.080 Right.

00:32:44.460 Let's go through the comments quickly.

00:32:46.120 I can't actually see them.

00:32:47.240 I can't actually see them.

00:32:48.960 Do you want to?

00:32:49.720 I can, yeah.

00:32:50.680 Crash prone.

00:32:51.520 Good luck to your future endeavors, Connor.

00:32:53.440 You may be succeeded, but you can't be replaced.

00:32:56.260 I appreciate it.

00:32:57.580 Big Camus fans over here.

00:32:58.660 For $10, J.M. Denton, Islander arrived in Dallas in four business days.

00:33:04.000 Despite the treacherous whims of our postmen, great style, no trace of modernity, could hang

00:33:07.700 the pictures on my wall.

00:33:08.720 Rory is an elegant artist.

00:33:11.240 You genuinely, it's not just because we're trying to sell hard products to keep the lights

00:33:14.220 on.

00:33:14.460 You should buy it.

00:33:15.260 It's a work of art.

00:33:16.100 You've got to say this next one in a Jerry Seinfeld impression.

00:33:19.480 I'm not very good at it.

00:33:20.280 Please do it.

00:33:21.060 Neither am I, actually.

00:33:21.900 Well, you've set out the precedence.

00:33:23.320 You have to do it.

00:33:24.340 Nigel Farage.

00:33:25.560 More like Nigel Farad.

00:33:28.660 I like Dan's Farage, the Mirage.

00:33:32.720 That's good, because that is genuinely a great summary of what Farage's been.

00:33:35.880 He's just been this, oh, eventually we'll get to Farage and he'll do something useful.

00:33:39.540 No, he will never do anything useful.

00:33:41.160 He's the problem.

00:33:42.020 Yes.

00:33:43.080 I can't read that name out, but just got my copy of Islander in the US, and Connor,

00:33:47.160 I've enjoyed your work at Lotus Ears.

00:33:48.820 Thank you, sir.

00:33:50.160 Maybe name yourself something PG next time.

00:33:53.000 Sobersane, for $5, sorry to see you go, Connor.

00:33:54.760 Good luck in your future endeavors.

00:33:55.960 Yeah, I'll still be lurking around in other places, and we'll be trading notes back and

00:34:00.460 forth, I'm sure.

00:34:01.340 Revolution continues.

00:34:02.880 Crash prone for $5.

00:34:03.980 Any public inquiry into the grooming gangs would be a waste of time.

00:34:06.160 Any such inquiry would not be legally binding, i.e. you cannot compel people to speak.

00:34:09.300 You could with a national statutory inquiry, and bringing forward a private inquiry could

00:34:14.600 increase the tension to then mandate a public inquiry.

00:34:17.960 So it's useful to do in lieu of a straightaway national inquiry.

00:34:21.840 And it's also just the right moral thing to do.

00:34:24.140 Before we go on to the next one, Samson, could you go and turn the AC on, please?

00:34:27.800 It's somehow switched itself off.

00:34:29.460 It's getting quite hot in here now.

00:34:32.360 So just a quick thing there.

00:34:33.700 Right.

00:34:34.080 No worries.

00:34:34.480 $5.

00:34:35.240 Dragon Lady Chris, I'm breaking out the liqueur I got for Christmas and will be raising a 1.00

00:34:39.040 toast during the last Thompson Talks.

00:34:40.780 Fare thee well, Connor.

00:34:42.000 Thank you very much.

00:34:42.920 Do send in your questions live.

00:34:44.160 I will be answering them at the end of the show.

00:34:46.880 Now, you all right, Samson?

00:34:50.200 He's fine.

00:34:50.700 He's fine.

00:34:51.420 Wonderful.

00:34:54.000 You want to stop singing, Harry?

00:34:55.780 Yeah, I was going to wait for Harry to stop his rendition of the Seinfeld.

00:34:57.960 I've got it.

00:34:58.380 It's stuck in my head.

00:34:59.100 Okay, wonderful.

00:34:59.900 Keep it there.

00:35:00.600 Brilliant.

00:35:01.560 Right.

00:35:01.860 Since it's my last segment on lotuseaters.com, I thought I would keep up the tradition of being

00:35:06.460 the bearer of bad news and say that all of the conspiracy theorists were vindicated.

00:35:11.140 Turns out the entire South Court trial was cover-up.

00:35:14.740 And it's been admitted by government officials now.

00:35:17.100 So, here's Starmer, yes again, instantiating a two-tier standard of justice and completely

00:35:23.000 betraying all of the bereaved families of those girls.

00:35:26.000 And it just keeps getting worse.

00:35:28.060 Before we continue, I would like to remind you that we do have Islander 3 on sale here

00:35:32.620 because things are very demoralizing these days.

00:35:36.020 And so, we thought we'd dedicate a hard asset product to raising a critical consciousness

00:35:41.560 of how we can restore our culture, our faith, our families, our aesthetics.

00:35:46.380 And people that have worked here have poured their heart and soul into it.

00:35:49.400 It's beautiful.

00:35:50.440 It's $14.99.

00:35:51.600 And the distributor issues have been fixed.

00:35:53.560 And people in the US have already got their copies.

00:35:55.000 So, if you order it, it should be shipped to you in due course.

00:35:58.040 Now, moving on with the news.

00:35:59.320 Anyways, so, what we've got here, there was a trial the other day of a chap, very strange

00:36:06.680 looking, his name is Jordan Wilkes, and he was inspired by Axel Rudakabana to stab a nine-year-old

00:36:13.560 girl in the neck while she was playing in the stairwell in his apartment block.

00:36:19.420 Yeah.

00:36:20.360 Now, you're reacting like this because it's appalling.

00:36:23.800 Yes.

00:36:24.440 Well, it's because I've got two daughters.

00:36:26.360 Yeah.

00:36:26.520 Yeah.

00:36:26.960 This was August 2024, during the riots.

00:36:29.320 Didn't even hear about it.

00:36:32.220 No.

00:36:32.600 So, other than the BBC doing some light reporting on the fact that he had done this, why were

00:36:38.140 we not told about his inspirations?

00:36:40.060 Because it's not like Axel Rudakabana, where he was 17 when he committed the crimes.

00:36:44.780 Wilkes is 29.

00:36:47.780 Why did...

00:36:48.540 I don't even...

00:36:49.260 I'll get into why they've kept a lid on this, because it seems to be the sort of trend that

00:36:53.920 I've been covering on my show and the podcast for a while, where the government sees its

00:36:57.600 duty to manage the febrile social conditions of imported diversity by unilaterally disarming 1.00

00:37:03.640 the native population any time that the diversity goes out and does something very predictable.

00:37:08.500 His first victim was playing with a friend on the stairwell outside his flat in Christchurch

00:37:12.740 in Dorset.

00:37:13.880 Fueled by thoughts of fulfilling a sick fantasy, and this is according to the Mirror reporting,

00:37:17.740 he opened his door and stabbed the girl in the neck, shoulder, and knee with a penknife 0.96

00:37:20.840 without saying anything.

00:37:21.660 She and her friend managed to flee to the safety of another flat, but the wounds to the

00:37:24.660 girl's shoulder and knee were so deep, the bone could be seen. 0.99

00:37:27.220 She's since been able to make a full recovery, mercifully.

00:37:30.000 Wilkes was arrested by armed police who raided his flat a short time after the attack.

00:37:33.280 They recovered a clump of the girl's hair that he cut as a trophy, or had actually ripped

00:37:36.980 from her scalp in his attempt to try and hold her in place to keep stabbing her.

00:37:41.360 Bournemouth Crown Court heard he had watched YouTube videos and podcasts on crimes involving

00:37:44.660 the killing of children before stabbing the girl as she played outside his home in August.

00:37:48.340 These included the killing of three girls at a dance class in Southport last year, by

00:37:51.800 second-generation Rwandan Axel Rudecabana, the murder of James Bulger, and several American

00:37:56.560 high school massacres.

00:37:58.180 Hours before the attack, he watched a video on someone called Aidan Fucci, who murdered

00:38:01.440 a 13-year-old girl by stabbing her 114 times.

00:38:04.820 Now, they're focusing on this reporting because it's the online materials they're saying inspired

00:38:09.500 him to do this attack.

00:38:11.800 So what they're going to do is clamp down on your freedom of speech on social media platforms,

00:38:16.880 because men like this and Axel Rudecabana decided to stab innocent children.

00:38:23.260 It's going to be the end of the true crime genre, isn't it?

00:38:26.420 Yes, quite.

00:38:27.440 He was found guilty and he's going to be sentenced in April, so keep your eyes out for that.

00:38:31.100 But, again, why did we not hear about this properly at the time?

00:38:34.680 Why was it not broadcast while the riots were going on?

00:38:37.440 A cop...

00:38:37.800 A literal copycat killer.

00:38:38.980 You know why.

00:38:39.820 Yes.

00:38:40.420 It's because it was a cover-up.

00:38:41.260 And do you know who agrees with me?

00:38:42.560 Jonathan Hall, KC, the head of the government's independent review of terror legislation.

00:38:47.700 He himself has said that, quote, withholding information could have been far more prejudicial

00:38:52.760 than just making the facts public.

00:38:54.320 So he is saying Keir Starmer could have prejudiced the trial in Southport by withholding information

00:38:59.600 from the public.

00:39:00.300 Which is precisely the reason he claimed that he withheld the information in the first place.

00:39:03.580 Exactly.

00:39:04.100 So, legally speaking, he didn't have to do that, even though they keep appealing to the law.

00:39:07.680 Hall wrote, quote,

00:39:08.360 The failure by the authorities to spell out basic and sober facts about the attacker led

00:39:11.920 to a contagious disinformation about a murderous Muslim asylum seeker. 0.70

00:39:16.140 Well, he was the son of asylum seekers, and question marks over his affinity for Islam. 0.94

00:39:22.260 He certainly was obsessed with Muslim terror attacks, as we know, as Prevent no one didn't 0.99

00:39:26.080 step in.

00:39:26.260 A copy of an Al-Qaeda training manual, too, so...

00:39:28.160 Yeah, and he was obsessed with the London Bridge attacks and the Manchester Arena bombing.

00:39:31.680 I'm actually happy to say that he's not, as far as we can tell, a Muslim. 1.00

00:39:35.040 I mean, he didn't, you know, go to the mosques, he didn't, you know, give zakat or whatever.

00:39:38.800 There is the allegation that he was attending mosque while in Belmarsh Prison.

00:39:41.460 Right, okay.

00:39:42.360 We don't know.

00:39:43.160 But the fact that there's such an open question over it, I'm happy to say, okay, we'll put

00:39:47.760 that to the side, right?

00:39:48.780 Because it doesn't necessarily have to be any part of the motivation or anything like that.

00:39:53.860 It clearly has inspired him insofar as jihadist attacks have provided a template for it.

00:40:00.260 So the idea that this was just all dangerous disinformation, one, not true, two, spread

00:40:05.060 in lieu of actual information being put out by Keir Starmer, who was in Southport for

00:40:09.240 all of three seconds before he scarpered because he was heckled by the locals.

00:40:12.680 And Hall said, I would go further.

00:40:14.180 It led to dangerous fictions that could have been far more prejudicial to the prosecution

00:40:17.660 of Rudikabana than some of the true facts which were suppressed in the name of contempt

00:40:21.240 of court.

00:40:21.700 Had there been a trial, jurors could have entered court with the impression that Rudikabana

00:40:24.860 was a Muslim asylum seeker and, more toxically, that the authorities were determined to hush 1.00

00:40:28.580 it up.

00:40:29.360 Hall said it would have been far better for authorities to provide an accurate lead than

00:40:32.240 ineffectual near silence.

00:40:33.920 He wrote that the digital age meant that the current Contempt of Court Act, passed in 1981

00:40:37.620 under Thatcher's government, needed examination.

00:40:39.860 And he's not the only critic of Keir Starmer and his conduct during the Southport trials.

00:40:44.180 The Times have conducted interviews with the families.

00:40:47.080 Now, the families have complained because Kislam was Attorney General, the same one who

00:40:50.900 personally intervened to bring the case against Tommy Robinson and put him in prison, this

00:40:56.040 Lord Herma, the same one who oversaw the Chagos deal as well, just for our American viewers,

00:41:00.160 he rejected calls for the Court of Appeal to review the length of Rudikabana's sentence

00:41:04.080 because the parents feel it's not long enough because he could actually be let out of prison.

00:41:07.480 Yeah.

00:41:07.800 In his, what, early 70s?

00:41:10.220 I mean, the fact that he's still alive is a crime against humanity, but anyway.

00:41:12.960 Quite.

00:41:14.100 So, the Times conducted a series of interviews with the Southport families, and I will spare

00:41:18.460 some of the details, of course, because they detail here how they actually found their daughters.

00:41:22.420 I can't even imagine.

00:41:23.260 And, no, it's brutal.

00:41:25.320 But I am going to read one detail, just so you can see what Keir Starmer and the Uniparty's

00:41:31.600 policies put these families through, right?

00:41:33.000 So, Alderhey Hospital in Liverpool has a bereavement suite that allows the families to spend time,

00:41:38.780 and this is a baby King's family, before the funeral.

00:41:41.160 We spent a week with her, and she was perfect.

00:41:43.260 It was like she was asleep.

00:41:44.060 She had her pyjamas on, there were nightlights, and it was like she was asleep.

00:41:46.780 Even though it was hard for us at first, we now know, for us, it was the right thing

00:41:49.560 to do.

00:41:50.220 I held her hand, all the family came, we got her christened.

00:41:52.500 We were supposed to get her christened age too, but we did it in the suite, and the whole

00:41:56.120 family were there.

00:41:57.180 Everyone could say their goodbyes the way they wanted to.

00:41:58.960 On the last day, her mother and father did a final bedtime routine, read her Jack and

00:42:02.160 the Beanstalk, and kissed her goodbye, and that's how we're going to remember her.

00:42:05.380 So, none of the parents, as you can understand, have gone back to work yet.

00:42:09.380 David and Jenny, Elsie's parents, have set up a charity, which you can go and donate

00:42:14.240 to.

00:42:14.480 It's Elsie's story.

00:42:16.120 Starmer has announced a public inquiry, which the family support, but they, of course, are

00:42:20.900 saying the prison sentence wasn't long enough, and they've been basically shut out of the

00:42:23.900 entire process, and that Keir Starmer did not stay long enough to give his condolences.

00:42:29.000 The Home Office have done a review on the failures of Prevent.

00:42:31.160 Now, Prevent, for those who have been watching my show, would know, has basically been ideologically

00:42:34.940 captured by a 700-strong Muslim activist network in the Home Office, and have all but refused

00:42:40.660 to monitor Islamic terrorism, but have instead been putting people like you, our viewers,

00:42:45.800 on a far-right watch list for reading Douglas Murray in 1984.

00:42:49.340 Not exaggerating.

00:42:50.300 Well, the review found this.

00:42:52.920 The Prevent review of Axel Ruder-Kabana contained spelling mistakes, which is why they had no

00:42:58.400 follow-up.

00:43:00.380 Because of a spelling mistake?

00:43:01.820 Genuinely.

00:43:03.100 Wait, how did that work?

00:43:04.800 Like, the people that were running his case file were so incompetent that after the multiple

00:43:08.440 referrals...

00:43:08.860 Oh, they couldn't spell his name right, or something like that.

00:43:11.100 Right.

00:43:11.660 Oh my god.

00:43:12.780 Yes.

00:43:13.000 The review concluded officers had prematurely dismissed the threat he posed on each of

00:43:16.580 the three occasions he was flagged to prevent, between December 2019 and April 2021.

00:43:21.400 The police have missed chances to stop him because of spelling mistakes, prevent officers

00:43:24.940 misspelled Ruder-Kabana's name on his second and third referrals, which led to the premature

00:43:29.200 closure of his case because officers weren't able to see his previous referrals on the system. 0.98

00:43:35.980 We have, like, ideologically bankrupt morons running everything, leading to the murder 1.00

00:43:40.880 of children. 0.99

00:43:42.500 Ruder-Kabana's first name came to the attention of police in April 2019.

00:43:46.460 Sorry, his name first came to the attention of police, where he would have been 12 after

00:43:50.600 phoning the National Crime Agency to report bullying and saying he'd taken a knife into

00:43:54.240 school.

00:43:55.160 But the account conflicts with the Lancashire Police's version of events, where they say

00:43:58.140 their first interaction with Ruder-Kabana came in October 2019 when he was 13 because

00:44:01.840 he contacted Childline to make similar remarks, so he kept doing this.

00:44:05.700 The National Crime Agency confirmed the Home Office inaccurately stated the agency had been

00:44:09.560 in contact with Ruder-Kabana directly, saying the NCA became aware of information about Axel

00:44:14.120 Ruder-Kabana in October 2019, the information was shared with policing, and Ruder-Kabana was

00:44:18.040 visited by local officers.

00:44:19.500 So, police, social workers, kept showing up to the home, he had been expelled from school

00:44:23.100 for carrying a knife, for attacking students, he had been referred to Prevent three times,

00:44:27.080 and yet they dropped the ball, they kept misspelling his name, and ideological forces within

00:44:32.040 the Home Office got a bit too uncomfortable with Ruder-Kabana and other Islamic terrorists because 0.96

00:44:35.860 it painted Islam in a bad light.

00:44:37.780 Prevent and Prevent are also continuing the cover-up because there are parallels with

00:44:41.300 this to Abi Harbi Ali.

00:44:43.000 For those who don't know, that was the son of Somalian diplomats who murdered Sir David

00:44:46.880 Amos MP in his constituency in Southend-on-Sea in late 2021, and his daughter Katie Amos has

00:44:52.700 been fighting an absolute crusade at the expense of her entire private life to try and get,

00:44:57.880 as well, a national inquiry into this.

00:44:59.640 Because she's saying, hang on a minute, it's all well and good to say Prevent dropped the

00:45:02.700 call here, because Abi Harbi Ali met with Prevent officers once in a McDonald's in Croydon,

00:45:09.220 and then they were like, nothing more to see here, like six months later.

00:45:12.480 Where is the accountability?

00:45:13.920 I'm sorry.

00:45:14.420 Why aren't people losing their jobs?

00:45:15.860 I used to work in mobile phone complaints in a call centre, right, and we held ourselves

00:45:20.300 to higher standards than this guff.

00:45:22.760 Yeah.

00:45:23.400 These are the people that are running our government, using our money, allowing just

00:45:26.160 a terrorist to roam free.

00:45:27.600 Not one single person has been fired from this, have they?

00:45:29.900 No. 0.99

00:45:30.960 God damn it, man. 0.99

00:45:32.700 I know. 1.00

00:45:33.540 I know. 0.62

00:45:34.080 It's like the rape gangs all over again.

00:45:35.840 The people that administered local labour councils are now seniors in the Home Office.

00:45:38.980 They're advisors to Yvette Cooper.

00:45:40.100 Right, the place that I was working at, we took contracts from different companies, and

00:45:44.680 I won't name any of the companies, but one of the departments was doing such a bad job

00:45:48.560 handling the complaints that the company pulled out of the contract.

00:45:51.800 So, again, higher standards than what our government expects.

00:45:55.940 There's actually some sort of consequence.

00:45:57.620 Yeah.

00:45:57.860 There's a consequence to it.

00:45:59.020 Yeah.

00:45:59.260 So the first meeting took place for Abbie Harbie Alley on the 6th of November 2014, and

00:46:02.700 it was dropped with little to no follow-up, if you read the full Prevent Review, which

00:46:06.340 is available on the government website, on the 5th of June 2015, six years before he

00:46:10.900 stabbed David Amos to death.

00:46:13.200 Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has denied Katie Amos' request to have a national inquiry, and

00:46:17.540 it's because, one, it will turn over too many stones at the Home Office, showing

00:46:20.380 just how deep the rot has gone with Muslim activists there. 1.00

00:46:23.080 That's why we want the inquiry.

00:46:24.720 Yes.

00:46:25.060 But they don't want the inquiry, because what would that put off?

00:46:27.280 Well...

00:46:27.800 The Muslim vote.

00:46:29.200 Yeah.

00:46:29.880 The thing is, it'd also make Labour basically culpable for all of this.

00:46:33.500 Yeah.

00:46:34.120 And the Conservatives.

00:46:35.180 At this point, I'd be happy if they would be willing to split the Muslim vote, get them 1.00

00:46:40.100 to go all to their own ethnic and sectarian religious parties.

00:46:45.340 They would do anyway.

00:46:46.500 It's going to happen.

00:46:47.400 They're going to do it, so why not do it sooner rather than later? 1.00

00:46:50.020 If only because, to the idiot Lib Dem voter who still doesn't see the problem, seeing that 0.99

00:46:55.880 there are just active parties who are campaigning purely against your interests in favour of 0.99

00:47:01.680 their own, might be a little bit of a wake-up call, and maybe parties like Labour and even

00:47:07.760 Reform will stop having to feel the need to bow down to these people.

00:47:11.980 The existence of George Galloway should have been enough of that example, but no, okay, we're

00:47:15.740 going to have to have the Muslim party.

00:47:17.360 Well, there are now sectarian pro-Gaza MPs, thanks to Rupelo's exile, on parity with 0.90

00:47:22.660 Reform MPs.

00:47:23.340 There's four of each.

00:47:24.340 Yeah.

00:47:24.680 So, as much as Reform want to be a beachhead in Parliament, you are...

00:47:29.020 We count Jeremy Corbyn amongst those.

00:47:31.360 You can do, but he's not actually, like, practising...

00:47:34.260 If you do, they outnumber him.

00:47:35.060 We know.

00:47:35.600 He's not actually a practising.

00:47:36.920 He's part of the Independent Alliance.

00:47:38.360 I know.

00:47:38.700 Technically, they outnumber him.

00:47:39.680 You're right.

00:47:39.980 I know.

00:47:40.180 So, Yvette Cooper denied this.

00:47:42.800 Katie called the investigation to prevent failures has already been taken place.

00:47:46.140 Another useless paper review conducted by a person of their choice.

00:47:49.060 She's taking legal action against Essex Police and the Home Office, and she has already,

00:47:52.660 as well, suggested she might have to do it against the Conservative Party, because all

00:47:55.320 of David's so-called friends and colleagues got up after his murder and acted as if a tweet

00:47:59.640 had killed him.

00:48:00.460 As Marc Francois said, we need David's law to crack down on online speech.

00:48:04.480 And ever since, when she's interacted with the Home Office or the Conservative Party, she has

00:48:08.140 said that she was told, if you don't like what we've done, sue us.

00:48:12.660 Contemptable treatment of this woman.

00:48:14.140 I'm going to play a short clip of her just at the press conference, just so you can see,

00:48:18.620 again, exactly what the government has put these families through.

00:48:21.780 There are no words to describe the unbelievable pain of losing a father in such a brutal and

00:48:30.200 a senseless way.

00:48:31.800 From the moment that I woke up on October the 15th, 2021, my whole world was shattered

00:48:40.600 beyond repair.

00:48:43.120 My father, Sir David Amos, was not just a public servant.

00:48:48.400 He was my protector, my guide, my greatest champion, and above all, my friend.

00:48:57.060 I'm just going to stop there because, yet again, this is what they're putting these

00:49:04.980 people through just to protect their own little ethnic and religious fiefdoms, right?

00:49:09.140 Also, just to remind you all, when David's colleagues were recently asked about this,

00:49:13.500 this was Mike Freer, I think it was late last year, he was asked on the Julia Hartley

00:49:16.320 Brewer's show after his constituency office had been firebombed by pro-Gaza protesters,

00:49:22.300 he said, well, we actually don't know the motivation of David Amos' killer.

00:49:27.060 Oh, don't we?

00:49:28.080 Yeah, no, he said he did it because David Amos had voted to intervene in Syria and Libya.

00:49:31.740 Yeah, I was going to say, I thought we actually did, no, exactly.

00:49:33.920 Yeah, we do, yeah.

00:49:34.700 No, what they don't want to do is say it out loud.

00:49:36.220 Right, yeah. 0.99

00:49:36.640 So, all the political class, again, abject traitors. 0.98

00:49:39.460 Now, the government could just stop importing jihadists. 0.99

00:49:41.300 They could stop importing Islamist sectarians. 1.00

00:49:43.840 They could stop all of this tomorrow.

00:49:46.260 Instead, Keir Starmer's changing the law, and it's not going to class Ruda Cabana as a terrorist.

00:49:51.900 I don't mean to laugh, but, like, this is...

00:49:54.940 What the...

00:49:55.540 What?

00:49:55.840 Oh, my God, it's...

00:49:57.840 Yeah.

00:49:59.880 It's just like a bad joke.

00:50:01.260 Yeah.

00:50:01.600 Instead, what they're doing is they're purposefully freeing up extra prison cells in case there's

00:50:05.900 another riot.

00:50:06.560 Oh, well, there we go.

00:50:07.400 I mean...

00:50:07.920 Because they realise that they are gerrymandering the demographics, which then exerts democratic

00:50:12.660 pressure in favour of those sectarian Islamist MPs, but also that there's going to be sort

00:50:16.880 of ethno-religious vigilante gangs fighting in the streets any times one of the diversity

00:50:21.560 does what is predictable and stabs a bunch of children, again, in a copycat attack.

00:50:25.020 And you would just think, okay, we'll just change course so this doesn't happen, but

00:50:28.720 they're like, no, the course is locked in, we're definitely having this, so we're going

00:50:32.160 to need more prisons.

00:50:33.140 Yes.

00:50:33.380 And we know that this is the strategy, this is not a conspiracy theory, and one, conspiracy

00:50:37.000 theories keep being prudent true, but we know this is the case because, I don't know if

00:50:40.540 you've seen this, David Betts is an academic at King's College London, and he's an expert

00:50:45.020 in urban warfare and how civil wars break out, particularly between urban and rural areas

00:50:50.620 along political, theological, and ethnic lines.

00:50:53.940 And he spoke to Louise Perry, my episode's actually out today, following on from this,

00:50:57.560 talking about how the Home Office are using gaslighting tactics to prevent this from happening,

00:51:02.160 so it's a sequel episode.

00:51:03.800 He has said that Britain is basically on track, on rails for a civil war, and nothing's going

00:51:07.120 to avert it because the government is not listening.

00:51:08.880 Yep.

00:51:09.780 And so they know this, and so what's their strategy?

00:51:12.160 Well, he also spoke to Peter Whittle of the New Culture Forum, and I decided to do a little

00:51:16.780 write-up of this on the Substack because of all the work that I've written for Lotus Eaters

00:51:20.900 on Thomson Talks, kind of feeds into this, but basically, Raikou, Keir Starmer, the Labour

00:51:27.060 government, Prevent, all of this exists to unilaterally disarm the native British population

00:51:32.600 as the narrative of what David Betts calls downgrading takes effect, as in, you are conscious

00:51:36.960 of the fact that we are discriminated against in law, in culture, in immigration policy that

00:51:41.940 we have voted against in every election and referendum since 1974, and so what the government

00:51:46.220 is doing is basically telling you, at all times, don't look back in anger while we're

00:51:50.240 still going to do this.

00:51:51.140 Yep.

00:51:51.600 So, sorry to put a depressing end to my time presenting at the Lotus Eaters, but this is

00:51:57.160 what I want the...

00:51:58.580 No, no, no.

00:51:59.060 It's fitting.

00:51:59.880 This is what I want everyone to keep in mind, is that basically, the government is waging

00:52:03.360 a form of psychological warfare on us, they know what they're doing, it is very much a

00:52:07.740 cover-up, and do not be gaslit out of wanting to defend what you love.

00:52:13.500 Right, a couple more rumble rants.

00:52:15.520 Sorry, James.

00:52:16.020 I still can't see him, sorry.

00:52:17.280 Okay.

00:52:17.520 Yeah, I'll go through them.

00:52:19.520 The engaged few watching Carl's face is kind of reads about that, I really want to hand

00:52:22.840 Carl a sharp axe to do woodcutting with it, I assume.

00:52:28.800 Johans Schugenboom says, Harry, I'm sorry to hear Stelios was bullying you.

00:52:34.700 Currently we've got an HR inquiry about it, there's going to be consequences.

00:52:39.200 I had to pull him off of the coat hanging peg as we came in because he was wedgied just

00:52:44.020 hanging like it.

00:52:44.800 It's true, it's true.

00:52:46.920 It's impressive how such a small man, like this big maybe, can cause so much damage. 0.64

00:52:52.520 Markabick says, realise how crap the situation is, without you Lotus Eaters, Connor, and very 0.89

00:52:57.700 few others, this would not see the light of day, and yet it is still a symptom of the 0.95

00:53:01.900 general population.

00:53:03.000 Thank you for everything.

00:53:04.360 Well, we try our best to keep everyone informed here, and we live by our consciences, if nothing

00:53:10.220 else.

00:53:10.640 Harry.

00:53:10.880 Yes, alright, now for something completely different, something that I hope is going

00:53:15.320 to be a little bit less depressing in the here and now, but possibly controversial, so

00:53:21.200 I'm going to try and avoid stepping on any third rails.

00:53:24.120 Oh lord.

00:53:25.060 Oh no.

00:53:25.520 I will, I will avoid it.

00:53:27.080 Do not worry, gentlemen, I'm going to be very reasonable with all this.

00:53:30.340 And I'm going to be talking about the Dr. Evil theory of history, its proponents, and

00:53:36.520 the historians who are the proponents in their attempts to gatekeep new historians who are

00:53:41.680 trying to put forward a more contextualised and less black and white nuanced version of

00:53:46.820 history.

00:53:47.560 Because, uh, Daryl Cooper, otherwise known as Martha Maid, is going to be making an appearance

00:53:53.160 on the Joe Rogan podcast very, very soon, which I'm very interested to watch.

00:53:57.180 I'm sensing that Twitter, after it, will be full of clips of him saying things that are

00:54:03.120 intentionally provocative, uh, that might sound a bit mad to some people because he's obviously

00:54:08.000 doing it on purpose for, uh, uh, to, uh, get some...

00:54:11.600 Notoriety.

00:54:12.380 Yeah, to get some notoriety.

00:54:14.080 Uh, but I think what we're seeing at the moment, outside of the controversy that will

00:54:18.360 be generated by this, because of course there was the controversy when he did a Tucker

00:54:21.560 Carlson interview at the end of last year, which I'm going to refer back to, is that we

00:54:27.180 are, uh, we are facing a paradigm shift at the moment in the way that people are examining

00:54:32.780 the Second World War.

00:54:34.620 Whereas previously, and you expect this with every great conflict that erupts, each side

00:54:40.400 has a great incentive to portray the other side as the utter barbarians, no nuance, the 0.98

00:54:45.900 most evil people who've ever existed.

00:54:48.100 They're Dr. Evil.

00:54:49.000 They're crazy and evil just for the sake of it. 0.95

00:54:50.940 We see it even today with the way that in 2022 Putin was portrayed following the initiation 0.98

00:54:56.180 of the Ukraine war.

00:54:58.220 But as time passes, people tend to become less detached, more detached from that initial

00:55:04.460 hysteria, from the initial portrayal of that, and they look at things in a more objective

00:55:09.600 and greater context, and they're able to put the pieces in place.

00:55:13.880 Some refer to this as revisionism, some call it, some use it like a dirty word.

00:55:17.780 But if you go back to the early 20th century, even 10-15 years after the end of the First

00:55:23.600 World War, you had people turning around and saying, listen, the Germans were not the most

00:55:28.080 evil people to ever exist.

00:55:29.700 Here's the greater context that started the chain of events that did that.

00:55:33.660 The Second World Wars had a bit of a longer lasting legacy than the First World War in that.

00:55:38.000 But we're starting to see people like Daryl Cooper, who are not, as the smears are saying,

00:55:43.080 coming out and acting as apologists for Nazi or Soviet crimes or any crimes that were committed

00:55:48.620 under the Second World War, but who are trying to put it into a broader context and elucidate

00:55:54.800 it for people who've only had the black and white version of the story thus far.

00:55:58.720 I will say it is pretty black and white to say that Winston Churchill was the greatest

00:56:04.240 villain of the Second World War.

00:56:05.040 Oh yeah, I disagree with him on that.

00:56:06.940 And that was very clearly him just trying to be naughty and a bit of an edgelord so that

00:56:11.720 he could get some controversy going.

00:56:14.100 But again, I mean, even in the initial Tucker Carlson interview, he stated outright that

00:56:18.940 he was trying to be provocative.

00:56:20.580 And he's done a lot of trolling on Twitter as well.

00:56:22.940 Well, again, because no publicity, any publicity is good publicity, right?

00:56:28.220 May I have this mouse?

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00:56:45.440 Connor Tomlinson, you've never had a controversy, have you, Connor?

00:56:48.600 Ask, hope, not hate.

00:56:49.640 No, I don't think so.

00:56:50.460 I don't think so.

00:56:50.980 I think we're all very, very clean.

00:56:52.420 Weirdly, it's their greatest hits though, isn't it?

00:56:55.160 Yes.

00:56:56.000 We looked at Hope to Hate State of Hate and thought, right, we need that guy.

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00:57:00.940 And I got my first mention, so get in there, boyos.

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00:57:04.940 I know.

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00:57:21.480 Again, the designs on these are absolutely wonderful, so pick them up while you still

00:57:25.440 can.

00:57:25.940 And for our Redditors in the audience, they now go up to a size that will fit.

00:57:29.640 I don't know how you got onto this video, perhaps you misclicked somewhere, but you

00:57:37.400 know, if you're interested...

00:57:38.280 Grab a t-shirt anyway.

00:57:38.920 Yeah, grab a t-shirt.

00:57:39.820 I mean, you don't need to say that it was from an evil right-wing podcast.

00:57:42.760 It just looks cool, right?

00:57:44.640 So, Joe Rogan himself has actually courted a bit of controversy even prior to Martha Mage

00:57:49.320 showing up on his, well, making his appearance very, very soon, which was that he had this

00:57:54.300 gentleman appear on his podcast.

00:57:57.000 Now, I've actually referred to this guy, Ian Carroll, before when the whole Diddy controversy

00:58:01.320 was going around, because he was sharing a lot of videos that were actually quite interesting

00:58:05.620 in terms of, like, the behind-the-scenes connections that Diddy had and trying to trace

00:58:10.500 everything.

00:58:10.960 I have not watched this episode.

00:58:12.980 I do not know what he said on it, so I cannot support or back up any of the claims.

00:58:17.860 He's very anti-Israel.

00:58:18.600 I know that.

00:58:19.680 I know that for a fact.

00:58:21.040 He did get a condemnation from the ADL, though, so we're not particularly surprised about that,

00:58:26.720 and we can be sure that there will probably be another condemnation from the ADL following

00:58:31.440 this.

00:58:31.860 So, again, Martha Mage, he's made a recent appearance on Aura McIntyre, who I consider

00:58:36.240 a friend.

00:58:36.720 He's a friend of the show, and he's announced in this that he's a quick update, got a wedding

00:58:41.420 to attend this weekend, and from there I'm going to Austin to do the Joe Rogan experience.

00:58:45.320 Far as I know, this is the first appearance that he will make.

00:58:48.600 And I'm sure it'll be a very, very interesting conversation.

00:58:52.340 And this is presumably in support of the fact that he is doing this new series, because if

00:58:57.420 you've not watched Martha Mage, he's a very, very interesting history podcaster.

00:59:01.920 He's got his substat where he also writes articles as well.

00:59:04.260 Sometimes he'll turn those into podcasts.

00:59:06.180 He's done a very, very, very long and in-depth series, the first one he did on the Israel-Palestine

00:59:12.260 conflict, tracing it back to the 19th century, the onset of Zionism, and trying very, very

00:59:18.400 hard to look at it straight down the middle and empathize with both sides.

00:59:23.040 It's one of his greatest strengths, to be honest.

00:59:25.980 And it's very, very interesting.

00:59:27.100 I've listened to the first two episodes of it thus far.

00:59:30.140 It's very, very comprehensive.

00:59:31.860 He's done a series on things like the Jim Jones massacre.

00:59:34.880 He's done a series that I also listened to on the Epstein allegations.

00:59:38.940 Lots of good stuff.

00:59:39.620 But this latest one is he's diving into the Second World War, and he's trying to look at

00:59:45.580 it again from a down-the-middle, empathetic perspective, trying to...

00:59:51.940 I see why he has come a cropper here.

00:59:54.400 Yeah, trying to present the Germans not as cartoon Hollywood villains, whether or not

00:59:59.980 you agree with the actions that they took, but trying to examine them as real people who

01:00:04.820 existed in a real time and place with greater context, and you can also take a look at the

01:00:09.700 way that their war aims were interacting with other people's war aims, because I've been

01:00:14.620 doing a lot of research recently into the Second World War myself, and we'll be referring to

01:00:19.600 a little bit of that if we have time as we go on.

01:00:22.180 But the thing that I've come to the conclusion of was that World War II was basically the Americans

01:00:28.900 seeing Europe destroying itself for the second time in a row within 20 years, and deciding

01:00:34.900 fantastic, we'll carve you up with the Russians. 1.00

01:00:37.920 Right, it was a reverse of the Monroe Doctrine.

01:00:40.200 Just before you get taken out of context by ill-motivated actors, yes, of course, we disagree

01:00:44.680 with what the Germans did in World War II.

01:00:46.580 I hate the fact that you always have to, but I appreciate what you're trying to do there.

01:00:50.880 I know I'll be called a hall monitor, but...

01:00:52.920 No, no, no, I think that's fair.

01:00:54.360 Just for anyone who's wondering, we side with the British.

01:00:56.840 Yes.

01:00:57.200 Yeah.

01:00:57.420 Because we're the British.

01:00:58.020 Yeah, also because we lost, as I will explain as this goes further.

01:01:02.720 We were on the side of the people who won, but we ourselves lost.

01:01:08.780 There's a reason that we're not a great power in the world anymore.

01:01:11.660 There's a reason that our greatest bragging rights on the world stage is that we were

01:01:15.400 number two soft power, and we have no empire anymore, and all of the members of the Commonwealth

01:01:21.440 are flooding into our country in record numbers, and lots of other strangers from foreign lands 0.53

01:01:25.780 as well.

01:01:26.080 So, of course, this immediately gets taken and people take to Twitter because he put out

01:01:33.580 a trailer for it where he just was like, let's make this look cool.

01:01:39.520 So, I've never watched or listened to any of this stuff.

01:01:42.720 It's nothing that you wouldn't see on the History Channel.

01:01:44.720 Yeah, but just, he's saying, he's an open Holocaust denier.

01:01:47.220 Is he a Holocaust denier?

01:01:48.400 No.

01:01:48.820 Right.

01:01:49.400 No.

01:01:49.640 As you can imagine, for a man who did a 30-hour series on the 19th century to 1947, Israel and

01:01:58.800 Palestine, he covered a lot of stuff in the Second World War in that series, including the pogroms

01:02:04.240 and the Holocaust itself.

01:02:05.820 He had an enormous half an hour segment in one on the, I think he did it on the Ukrainian

01:02:12.660 massacre of, I think it was 30,000 to 50,000 Jews in Babi Yar, where they were just lined

01:02:18.460 up against a massive pit and shot.

01:02:20.040 So, what that is, and we're all familiar with this, is them taking a very small clip

01:02:26.460 from his interview with Tucker and taking it completely out of context.

01:02:31.740 Now, what he said in the clip is that the Germans initiated a new front of the war, the

01:02:37.920 Second Front, with the Russians, expecting it to be a short war, not expecting to have

01:02:42.940 to deal with winter conditions, took on far more prisoners of war than they expected that

01:02:48.440 they would have to, and had no infrastructure and no food to give them, which led to ridiculous

01:02:53.780 levels of deaths in the prisoner of war camps.

01:02:56.300 This is all true, and can in fact be verified by books like this.

01:03:02.160 Stalin's War, by Sean McMeekin, an expert on the Russian side of the early 20th century.

01:03:07.600 The Holocaust Denial, perhaps. 0.64

01:03:08.800 Published by Penguin.

01:03:10.800 As most Holocaust Denial is.

01:03:12.600 Came out in 2023, I believe.

01:03:15.900 And people are saying, well, he was just diminishing the Holocaust. 0.65

01:03:19.340 He didn't mention anything to do with the extermination camps, which were all in Poland.

01:03:23.420 There was actually dozens of prisoner of war camps dotted all across the Eastern Front,

01:03:28.760 which I don't think people know, but the Balkans, sorry, the Baltics on the north, all the way

01:03:34.580 to the bottom of the Balkans, it's actually a massive, massive front to do a lot of fighting

01:03:40.180 on.

01:03:40.360 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:03:40.540 So, again, there were plenty of prisoner of war camps.

01:03:44.800 This is true.

01:03:45.460 In this, Sean McMeekin discusses how, I think, the camp death rate for the prisoner of war

01:03:51.680 camps, without talking about the extermination camps like Soberborg, Treblinka, Auschwitz,

01:03:56.120 Maginec, was 57.5%.

01:03:59.040 Now, when discussing this, Daryl Cooper said, obviously, that's a crime.

01:04:04.840 That's a crime.

01:04:06.100 They did not prepare properly for it, but they should have known that if you're going

01:04:10.500 against Russia, you're going to have to deal with these kinds of contingencies, and it's

01:04:14.600 still something that they are guilty of.

01:04:16.820 Millions of people died in these camps.

01:04:18.580 I mean, it's one of those things, I remember years ago, I'm not a Second World War scholar,

01:04:22.920 but I remember watching, like, a documentary or something, where they were saying that,

01:04:26.140 like, you know, in Ukraine, like, lone German officers would go to Ukrainian villages and

01:04:30.380 stuff, and just have prisoners of war, like, at a big trail, just willingly walking behind

01:04:35.220 them.

01:04:35.640 Because, of course, they were thinking, oh, great, the Germans had to liberate us from

01:04:38.540 the Soviets, right?

01:04:39.660 And so they would end up with, like, tens of thousands of people that, like you said,

01:04:44.560 they're not prepared for.

01:04:45.460 And it's like, yeah, okay, it's irresponsible, and it was bad.

01:04:48.560 Yeah, I mean, and again, Daryl Cooper is not supporting the actions of the Germans in 1.00

01:04:53.720 saying that, nor is he denying the Holocaust.

01:04:55.860 It's just a smear.

01:04:57.160 It's just a completely out-of-context smear.

01:04:59.880 One of the other interesting things about this is, though, because of how much the Soviet 1.00

01:05:04.680 subjects hated the Soviet government, despite all of that, 1.5 million Soviet subjects, including

01:05:10.820 800,000 ethnic Russians still defected, which is very, very interesting.

01:05:17.220 But one of the other things that came out was that recently, the other day, Neil Ferguson,

01:05:22.440 who was part of the original controversy, decided to jump in on this and call him a nasty little

01:05:30.120 Nazi apologist who's won an audience of millions.

01:05:33.480 That is apparently what happens when podcasts drive out books and anti-history drives out history.

01:05:39.520 And this seems to be something that he's trying to coin, this idea of anti-history.

01:05:44.640 What is the definition of anti-history versus history?

01:05:48.320 Well, I'll show you in a few minutes when we get to the article that he wrote.

01:05:51.500 Constantine also came out in an argument with Dave Smith, which was quite funny.

01:05:56.980 I really like Dave Smith.

01:05:58.340 Constantine's not my biggest fan, but he also took a very dishonest tack with this, where

01:06:03.680 he said that in the interview with Tucker, he said Churchill was the chief villain of

01:06:08.600 World War II, not Hitler.

01:06:09.920 Again, I disagree with that statement.

01:06:12.520 He did say that, but then he goes on and then also said that being genuinely right-wing

01:06:16.900 has been made illegal in Europe when the only political parties banned in Europe are Nazis.

01:06:22.720 Interesting.

01:06:23.460 Now, Constantine, you know you're being disingenuous when you say that, because Nazi is a term that

01:06:28.760 has been applied to basically everybody who is remotely right-wing at this point, and

01:06:33.740 in Germany right now, back in 2021, the government decided that they could spy on the AFD, and

01:06:41.540 recently tried to hold a vote to ban them for being too right-wing.

01:06:46.000 There were 116 lawmakers from other parties that tried to create what they call a firewall

01:06:50.900 around the AFD, and according to the anti-Nazi clauses of the Constitution, tried to ban them. 0.85

01:06:54.780 Now, if you're looking for a candidate for the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler, a lesbian 1.00

01:06:59.100 who believes in free markets, whose girlfriend is a Sri Lankan immigrant, is probably not 1.00

01:07:03.580 the best one to pick.

01:07:04.440 The AFD is just a patriotic liberal party.

01:07:07.080 They are a populist party, which in Europe is sometimes used as a synonym for Nazi, as

01:07:13.040 anything remotely populist and right-wing is.

01:07:15.340 So I think that's a very, very dishonest framing of the argument right there, and Constantine

01:07:19.900 should know better.

01:07:20.720 I just think, you know, him trolling with the picture of Hitler in Paris saying it'd

01:07:24.540 be better than the drag queens and stuff like this, yeah, that's not, you know, obviously 0.99

01:07:28.580 Yeah, that's not good. 0.95

01:07:30.240 And that's just a troll, again.

01:07:31.760 Sure, I appreciate it. 0.62

01:07:32.260 Yeah, but the troll muddies the waters. 0.95

01:07:33.860 Yeah, exactly.

01:07:34.240 If he wants to stay clear, it's not a good idea.

01:07:36.800 Yeah, but there is a big difference between the output that he puts on Twitter versus

01:07:40.240 the stuff that he puts on his podcast.

01:07:41.740 He's responsible for both.

01:07:42.820 Exactly.

01:07:43.480 Yeah, exactly.

01:07:44.400 So it's, yeah, I don't think there's a holocaust in that, but he's definitely not helping his case

01:07:47.860 here.

01:07:48.000 No, of course not.

01:07:49.400 And he does some trolling on his Instagram as well, which people like to get hold of.

01:07:53.860 But this next part is where he says, then, he refused to debate Andrew Roberts, a Churchill

01:07:57.760 historian and biographer, because Daryl lifted all of his arguments from David Irving, whose

01:08:02.240 Nazi apologia has been discredited for decades.

01:08:06.320 And Daryl can't actually defend Irving's arguments himself.

01:08:08.820 He can only regurgitate them on podcasts where no one challenges him.

01:08:11.600 But again, straight away, one of the big arguments that people were taking out of context is from

01:08:17.500 this recent book published by Penguin.

01:08:20.320 Many of his other arguments can be found in other books like this one, The New Dealers'

01:08:25.520 War, published by Basic Books, who amongst others publish Thomas Sowell and other centre-right

01:08:31.780 thinkers and historians.

01:08:33.400 And this guy, Thomas Fleming, has appeared on CNN and PBS.

01:08:36.680 He's a very, very safe historian.

01:08:39.420 And the interesting thing about using the Irving accusation is that Daryl did post a load of

01:08:44.640 the books that he'd been reading to research this.

01:08:48.940 And yeah, Irving was included in that.

01:08:50.700 But you know who does also cite David Irving in their books on history?

01:08:55.340 So you've got Max Hastings.

01:08:57.160 It's not Neil Ferguson, is it?

01:08:59.140 I wanted to try and look through a few of his bibliographies, but I didn't have any of his

01:09:04.280 books on World War II.

01:09:05.720 Maybe, though.

01:09:07.000 So Max Hastings, Ian Kershaw, cites him a lot in his Hitler biography, which is a massive 0.88

01:09:12.660 two-volume set.

01:09:14.040 And also Andrew Roberts.

01:09:16.160 Why do they cite them?

01:09:18.060 Well, they're included in the bibliography, and I would assume that they're citing him because

01:09:23.340 of the fact that he did a lot of the primary archival research.

01:09:26.700 But I don't know if you know.

01:09:29.120 Are they challenging him in his assertions?

01:09:31.920 Or are they just citing him and saying, David Irving said this?

01:09:33.880 Andrew Roberts is a just normal biography of Churchill.

01:09:37.020 I don't believe he's actually responding to other historians' arguments within the actual

01:09:41.080 biography.

01:09:42.340 Right, but in the context of his assertions?

01:09:44.140 Max Hastings, for instance, he cites him in Bomber Command, which is talking about the

01:09:49.320 Bomber Command during the Second World War.

01:09:51.280 And just cites a lot of Destruction of Dresden, which was his initial book, where it came

01:09:55.800 out.

01:09:55.900 The issue that they have is that if Irving is the primary researcher for a particular

01:10:01.740 topic, well, you've got nowhere else to go to if he's the guy who went through all the

01:10:05.240 archives, read them all, documented it.

01:10:07.100 I mean, Destruction of Dresden was written in collaboration with Bomber Harris in the 1960s.

01:10:12.260 So he did a lot of this.

01:10:13.840 But what I dislike is the gatekeeping aspect of this.

01:10:18.920 Yeah.

01:10:19.580 Obviously, Irving said some out there stuff, which people vehemently disagree with.

01:10:26.040 The Deborah Lipstadt Irving trial went terribly for him and his name has been in the mud ever

01:10:31.860 since then.

01:10:32.300 But apparently there's a gatekeeping aspect to who's allowed to cite his work or not.

01:10:38.520 And Daryl, and we've not really got to the part of his series yet where he addresses any

01:10:43.500 arguments that Irving may or may not have been making, is being smeared through association.

01:10:48.480 He's been tarred through association.

01:10:49.980 Whereas, again, the arguments that he actually made on Tucker Carlson can be verified and found

01:10:54.620 in books like this, books like this, and plenty of other mainstream books, including Andrew

01:11:00.060 Roberts' book himself.

01:11:01.940 So I just found that a little bit disingenuous.

01:11:06.520 It does depend on the context as to whether, because I haven't read Roberts' book on Churchill.

01:11:10.420 It depends on the context as to whether or not he's stating him as saying, here's where

01:11:14.180 I lifted this fact about Churchill from versus this is what David Irving says and is that

01:11:18.640 incorrect?

01:11:19.520 Like, we don't actually know why he cited him.

01:11:21.660 That's my only, that people will trip you up on, basically.

01:11:26.220 That's fair, but having read a bit of Andrew Roberts' biography, it's not a biography in

01:11:30.600 which he seems to be trying to address other people's arguments.

01:11:35.240 It's just, here is Churchill's life.

01:11:38.460 And Irving did his biographies on the war part of Churchill's life during the Second World

01:11:45.740 War.

01:11:46.080 So, for many people, because he did a lot of primary research, they are useful resources

01:11:50.200 still, whether or not you want to come to the same conclusions as him.

01:11:53.900 Again, the Tucker Carlson interview was the thing that made all of this blow up all the

01:11:57.660 way back in September, I believe it was.

01:12:01.080 And one of the first things that happened was, out of nowhere, you get all the worst

01:12:07.180 people in the world spring into action to get a load of people like Neil Ferguson, like

01:12:13.240 Andrew Roberts, to immediately begin telling them how naughty he's being, in what I can

01:12:19.320 only describe as Soviet-style denunciations.

01:12:23.960 Like, you had Andrew Roberts appearing on Fraser Nelson, our best friend, Fraser Nelson.

01:12:30.520 You had him appearing on Piers Morgan as well.

01:12:34.340 And then, Andrew Roberts himself wrote this article here, saying that no, Churchill was not

01:12:40.780 the villain.

01:12:41.380 Again, I actually agree with this.

01:12:43.000 I actually agree with this.

01:12:44.000 I do not agree with his statement that Churchill was the villain.

01:12:46.680 Again, reading these two books here, when you get to issues like the Tehran Conference,

01:12:51.680 I can't help but feel bad for Churchill, because he was completely sidelined by Roosevelt and

01:12:57.240 Stalin, who immediately began plotting together on how they were going to dismantle the British 0.72

01:13:01.480 Empire and carve up Europe for themselves in spheres of influence once the war was over. 0.87

01:13:06.520 So I can't see Churchill as the bad guy in that, especially because, honestly, when it

01:13:10.740 came to things like covering up the Kachin Massacre, which was an atrocity committed by

01:13:15.040 the Soviets once they'd partitioned Eastern Poland alongside the-

01:13:19.380 Polish officers.

01:13:20.180 Yeah, the 10,000 Polish officers who had been shot.

01:13:23.000 So the Germans notified the Red Cross that they'd found these corpses.

01:13:28.120 Then the Polish government in exile in London said that they wanted an inquiry to find out

01:13:32.680 who did it.

01:13:33.560 Everybody knew that it was the Soviets.

01:13:35.280 The Soviets said, no, no, it was the Germans.

01:13:38.060 Who cares that all of these corpses are way too old for it to have been the Germans to 1.00

01:13:41.660 do this?

01:13:42.660 Churchill was the one guy who was actually saying, no, we need to put this inquiry in and

01:13:46.420 we need to find out what's going on, because he understandably was a bit uncomfortable about

01:13:50.820 potentially being aligned with people who just brutally massacre for no reason.

01:13:56.400 It was the Americans who shut it down, the Americans in collaboration with the Soviets. 0.83

01:14:00.880 So for all his faults, there are a number of times where Churchill was acting as the most

01:14:05.700 moral person in the conflict.

01:14:07.260 So when this all kicked off, I wrote a piece for Courage that basically said, yes, Britain

01:14:12.580 quote-unquote lost World War II in as far as it's entangled in international legal agreements

01:14:18.740 that impair our ability to deport foreign rapists. 0.56

01:14:21.660 But Churchill would not have wanted that, and that's why he designed it that way.

01:14:24.500 And I found it interesting that the likes of Oral McIntyre, mutual friend, but also Constantine

01:14:30.460 Kissin agreed with that.

01:14:31.800 And I think that's why Daryl Cooper has elicited such a bad reaction.

01:14:35.300 It's not just the moral taboo around World War II.

01:14:37.720 It is the stating that Churchill is the key villain, and Churchill's actions have led to

01:14:43.160 Britain being what it is now, when if you transported him through time, the same people 0.95

01:14:47.760 that call us Nazis would also call him a Nazi.

01:14:50.680 I just look at it, I just don't think Churchill was in control of what was happening.

01:14:56.040 That's the thing.

01:14:56.760 Oh no, I've got plenty of references for that, sadly.

01:15:00.620 And again...

01:15:01.120 So he can't be the primary villain, because he's not the primary agent of anything that's

01:15:05.500 happening.

01:15:05.980 Well, just in raw bodies as well, it's Stalin. 0.72

01:15:08.120 Well yeah, but obviously, but like, it just feels that things were happening around, that

01:15:14.520 he was trying to hold back the tide of history, essentially, and he couldn't do it, obviously.

01:15:17.720 Yeah, so when you, I'll just go through some examples of that, and then we can move on.

01:15:23.240 So the Tehran conference, so they get there, the first thing that happens is Stalin gives

01:15:29.480 this cover story that, oh, we're about to be assassinated, so you're all going to have

01:15:32.800 to stay at my compound instead.

01:15:35.560 Doesn't extend that to Churchill, who apparently, if there was an assassination plot, he doesn't

01:15:40.240 care if he gets shot.

01:15:41.600 The Iranian government said there's nothing like that.

01:15:44.120 He just wanted to get Roosevelt in the same compound as him, so he could bug his rooms 0.99

01:15:48.640 and listen into everything that they were saying.

01:15:50.400 Goes to have a meeting with Roosevelt without Churchill being involved, and immediately starts

01:15:57.640 to plot how they can...

01:15:59.100 Well, no, actually, no, it's not Stalin that does this.

01:16:02.460 Roosevelt offers to him the opportunity, and I've got it here.

01:16:06.540 Let me see, I posted this the other day.

01:16:08.600 Uh, just saying that, um, you know, why don't we carve up India together? 1.00

01:16:13.660 I know Britain owns India right now, they're in charge of India. 1.00

01:16:16.900 Take it, please.

01:16:17.600 Yeah, he says, explaining that he thought that it was better to not discuss the question of

01:16:21.800 India with Mr. Churchill, Roosevelt proposed that the United States and USSR work together

01:16:26.820 to reform British India from the bottom, somewhat on the Soviet line.

01:16:32.520 Incredible how the American president can be so pro-Soviet.

01:16:35.780 Well, yes, it is incredible, until you realize that, uh, people like Harry Hopkins, who was

01:16:41.360 one of his, basically his right-hand man who spent a lot of time in Russia, was actively

01:16:46.300 trying to purge, uh, the Roosevelt administration of anti-Soviet elements that was determined

01:16:53.240 entirely by him, whether you were anti-Soviet or not.

01:16:55.980 So that's from Stalin's war.

01:16:57.720 In the New Dealers' war, it actually goes a bit further than that, because he mentions

01:17:01.820 that, and then he also says that they were basically planning on carving up French

01:17:04.860 Indochina as well, and wanted to make sure that France was not an independent country

01:17:10.440 afterwards.

01:17:12.600 Again, it seems to me that in the conflict, America saw an opportunity with Europe, like,

01:17:20.700 tearing itself apart, and said, we can become the global superpower with Europe, and particularly

01:17:27.640 the British Empire, out of the way.

01:17:29.200 That's why with Lend-Lease, we got, what, 50 run-down war destroyers from the First World 0.65

01:17:34.780 War?

01:17:35.240 That we had to pay back.

01:17:36.100 That we had to pay back, and Russia, happily, managed to get a Lend-Lease, but all brand 0.96

01:17:42.400 new stuff, we sent them stuff in Britain, and got it for free.

01:17:46.700 Well, they got, sorry, sorry, actually, no, they got a $1 billion credit line, and then

01:17:50.980 they used up that $1 billion credit line, and then Roosevelt said, here's another billion

01:17:54.980 dollars for free, don't worry about it, pay us back whenever you want.

01:17:58.660 So clearly, the place that Churchill occupies in Daryl Cooper's mind is fulfilled by Roosevelt. 0.52

01:18:06.400 Certainly from the British perspective.

01:18:08.320 Yeah, so he's just got the wrong man.

01:18:10.220 Yeah.

01:18:10.640 Yeah.

01:18:10.820 I mean, I believe...

01:18:12.220 You can feel just how outmaneuvered Churchill is in all of this, right?

01:18:15.880 Like, he obviously, if it was up to Churchill, none of these decisions were being made.

01:18:20.220 But obviously, Churchill is not responsible for any of these, and he's been completely sidelined

01:18:23.540 and gone around.

01:18:24.320 Yeah, so, I mean, Roosevelt in particular seems to have been ridiculously friendly to

01:18:29.240 the Soviet administration.

01:18:32.500 Like, Thomas Fleming says here, you know, in FDR's political cosmology, Russia was exempted

01:18:38.760 from the negative judgments of the old world, which the new world was morally superior to.

01:18:44.120 Yeah.

01:18:44.460 Like the United States, she wasn't part of Europe.

01:18:47.400 Ever since his recognition of the Soviet Union in 1933, he'd envisioned a Russian-American

01:18:52.900 entente as the answer to the fratricidal tendencies of Europe's great powers.

01:18:58.580 Furthermore, Cordell Hull, who was the Secretary of State underneath Roosevelt, gave a speech

01:19:04.680 to the Congress in 1943, right before Tehran, characterizing the communists as being,

01:19:10.600 like your country cousins, come to town. 0.56

01:19:13.000 They're a little slow, but well worthwhile.

01:19:15.540 He saw no barriers whatsoever to future Soviet-American cooperation.

01:19:19.340 So I don't...

01:19:20.340 They killed millions of people.

01:19:21.680 They'd already killed millions of people.

01:19:22.840 Yeah, they'd already killed millions.

01:19:23.860 It had already happened.

01:19:24.880 Yeah.

01:19:25.260 Ten years prior to that, and they knew.

01:19:27.940 The Kachin massacre had already happened, and they knew.

01:19:31.600 And to give another example of Churchill actually being the most moral person in the room,

01:19:36.560 so on the second to last night of the conference, Stalin was hosting a dinner and started joking

01:19:42.020 about how following the end of the war, they would just indiscriminately shoot 50,000 or

01:19:49.120 100,000 members of the German army, of their officer class.

01:19:56.100 Churchill, it says, exploded and cried that the British people had always been opposed to

01:20:01.960 and always would be opposed to mass vengeance.

01:20:05.520 Stalin insisted that at least 50,000 needed to be shot.

01:20:09.300 But Churchill then said, I would rather be taken out into the garden here and now and

01:20:14.640 be shot myself than sully my own and my country's honour by such infamy.

01:20:19.660 Prime Minister was obviously aware that he was dealing with the man who had massacred

01:20:23.300 10,000 Polish officers in the Kachin Forest.

01:20:26.120 Roosevelt's reaction alarmed Churchill even more.

01:20:28.480 The president suggested a compromise.

01:20:30.560 Shoot 49,000 instead.

01:20:32.340 I mean, FDR really was just a commie, wasn't he? 0.88

01:20:36.440 Yeah.

01:20:36.860 Yeah.

01:20:37.300 Really was just a commie.

01:20:37.820 Well, I'm with Curtis Yavin on this.

01:20:39.720 Yeah, really was just a commie.

01:20:40.560 I mean, it's a great argument that's made in, again, Stalin's war, because he goes through

01:20:44.880 some of the earlier parts of FDR's administration with the New Deal, where he points out, well,

01:20:50.820 he has the New Deal, opens up all of these new government departments that immediately get

01:20:56.180 filled with communist infiltrators and spies.

01:20:58.980 Infiltrators. 0.96

01:20:59.380 Anyway, anyway, again, you can disagree with Daryl Cooper.

01:21:06.340 I think that the historical gatekeeping on certain subjects is unnecessary.

01:21:12.620 I think it's a sign that these people are afraid that their conception of history is

01:21:17.380 being challenged.

01:21:18.420 And I think, I can hope that, given some of the examples that I've given today, that

01:21:23.380 you can see that it was not as black and white, given the internal dynamics, even within

01:21:29.280 the Allies, that this was not something where America truly believed, I mean, the soldier

01:21:34.600 on the ground probably did, but the higher-ups in the American administration, in the Soviet

01:21:40.420 administration, did not truly believe that they were fighting a war for good, they were

01:21:44.540 fighting a war for power.

01:21:46.260 You definitely made Churchill look a lot more sympathetic.

01:21:48.600 I was reading through some of the stuff and going like, oh God, I feel bad for him.

01:21:53.120 I can totally understand why Churchill reacts this way.

01:21:55.760 I feel really bad for him.

01:21:56.680 But I'm very interested to see what's going to happen with this smarter-made interview with

01:22:00.000 Joe Rogan.

01:22:00.640 I imagine over the course of three to four to five hours, they're probably going to get

01:22:06.020 into the subject of that.

01:22:07.640 And perhaps he'll be able to better acquit himself over a longer format where they're going

01:22:11.500 to hone down on it.

01:22:12.740 Either way, I think his series is excellent, and I listened to the first episode, the prologue

01:22:17.000 this morning.

01:22:18.920 Difficult stuff.

01:22:20.260 Difficult stuff, but not a sympathizer, not apologizing for anything that the Nazis did 0.68

01:22:25.160 crime-wise.

01:22:26.740 Okay, on to the video comments then.

01:22:32.560 Good morning, Lotus Seaters.

01:22:34.400 Welcome to Eastern Washington.

01:22:35.300 Let's be quiet.

01:22:35.720 Turn up, please.

01:22:42.740 Good morning, Lotus Seaters.

01:22:49.600 Welcome to Eastern Washington.

01:22:51.260 Over here, the weather's either sunny or windy, and the people tend to be more based.

01:22:55.400 While over here on some business, I decided to go for a quick hike up the Lower Clemens

01:22:59.280 Loop right outside of town.

01:23:01.160 I didn't have enough time to do the Upper Loop, unfortunately.

01:23:04.260 The hike up was easy enough.

01:23:05.740 The hike down, not so much.

01:23:07.360 There were tons of animals in the area, though a bit too far away for decent pictures.

01:23:11.260 There's great views of Mount Rainier and Mount Adams as well.

01:23:14.780 Hope you guys are having a great week so far.

01:23:17.580 Looks wonderful.

01:23:18.300 I'm very envious.

01:23:19.640 Yeah, my week's going great.

01:23:20.720 Thank you.

01:23:21.480 On to the next one.

01:23:25.480 Physionomy and ego.

01:23:27.780 The similarities between Farage and this woman are uncanny.

01:23:32.780 Why did you subject me to that?

01:23:57.120 I've got cancer now.

01:23:58.360 Yeah, I've never heard of this person.

01:23:59.900 Thank God.

01:24:01.060 Next, please.

01:24:03.820 Oh.

01:24:04.680 So this is the new Severus Snape, huh?

01:24:07.720 Yep.

01:24:07.920 I guess Lily chose James so her son would have a father.

01:24:12.180 Dumbledore said you're clearly the one that most qualified for the job, but I'm going

01:24:15.860 with this guy.

01:24:16.700 So this is Neville's greatest fear.

01:24:18.840 As a white, attractive woman, I understand.

01:24:21.280 Yeah, he killed a lot of people when he was young, but that is just what his kind of people 0.90

01:24:25.620 does. 0.98

01:24:27.000 And killing the old white man that wouldn't give him the job he was clearly qualified for 0.99

01:24:31.660 is just justified. 0.97

01:24:33.040 And finally, got to show my progress with the drawings.

01:24:37.140 I think this is really good.

01:24:39.540 Yeah, that's great, actually.

01:24:41.300 I just, again, complete inability to suspend disbelief looking at that.

01:24:45.420 That's not Snape.

01:24:46.100 It's not.

01:24:46.860 Yeah, but it's not Snape on purpose.

01:24:48.900 Yeah, of course.

01:24:49.340 It's not Snape because you liked Harry Potter, and so F you.

01:24:52.940 I mean, I was even indifferent to it.

01:24:55.360 But it's just, someone pointed out, I don't even like Adam Driver.

01:24:59.480 They've got, oh dear lord.

01:25:00.580 We've got Adam Driver walking around as basically Alan Rickman's clone, and you didn't choose

01:25:06.020 him.

01:25:06.740 That's a good point, actually.

01:25:07.660 I'd not considered the similarity between the two of them.

01:25:10.040 Yeah.

01:25:10.340 Oh, my lockdown hair.

01:25:11.260 Why did you do that?

01:25:13.460 I've heard it said.

01:25:15.800 Carl.

01:25:16.300 Good afternoon, Carl.

01:25:17.180 Thank you for having me, everyone.

01:25:18.500 I've heard it said that people come into our lives for losing.

01:25:20.760 To my marketing brain, I used to be a suffering guy and I was like, Ken?

01:25:24.420 Ken is all right.

01:25:26.000 The, the, uh, roasty, the roasty redemption mafia.

01:25:31.140 Um, even at a pub now, has anyone got to the bar and all of them now?

01:25:34.520 They have the demonic QR codes that they've got on their table.

01:25:37.060 Good news, guys.

01:25:38.280 AIDS is up.

01:25:39.100 Woo! 0.99

01:25:39.920 Yeah, there you go.

01:25:40.700 Yes, it is.

01:25:41.440 This is, um, my second show this morning.

01:25:44.440 So the other one who walks through it, so you weren't walking us through that.

01:25:47.080 In civilisation, even on the uncivilised streets, but I think that that's more just.

01:25:51.340 But I know I'm who I am today.

01:25:54.420 I like buts.

01:25:55.620 Because I knew you.

01:25:59.020 Oh, that's nice, isn't it?

01:26:00.400 Thanks, man.

01:26:01.280 Appreciate it.

01:26:02.440 Well, you have done a lot of good work for us, man.

01:26:03.700 We are going to miss you.

01:26:05.080 Cheers.

01:26:05.660 Well, I wouldn't have done it.

01:26:06.820 It's not that we're not going to see you again or anything like that, but, you know.

01:26:08.640 Yeah, I'm dying.

01:26:09.380 Thanks.

01:26:10.140 Uh, yeah, I was going to say, you know, yeah, he, we will see him in the future.

01:26:13.560 It's fine.

01:26:14.040 Yeah.

01:26:15.220 I've been seeing a lot of remarks about...

01:26:16.420 You're faraging me.

01:26:20.900 Sorry.

01:26:21.220 Yeah, oh no.

01:26:23.140 Oh no.

01:26:24.380 Sorry, Karen.

01:26:24.880 I've been seeing a lot of remarks about guillotining Elon Musk, and the guillotine has been a leftist symbol for a while.

01:26:30.240 I say we need to reassert a symbol of our own, and why not the humble flame?

01:26:33.140 It's been used not only to represent liberalism and enlightenment, but like the guillotine, it's also a means to offer enemies.

01:26:37.880 We've used it to burn witches, we've used it to burn communists, communists have used it to burn communists, and so on.

01:26:42.260 Greek fire developed in the homeland of democracy, and its successor, napalm, was used to defend Greek liberty from communist aggressors.

01:26:48.020 So the next time you see the left making aggressive references to their choppy-chop symbol, let them know that if they hate Elon Musk and electrical vehicles so much, they're welcome to convert to biofuel.

01:26:55.640 I only see one big problem with this, is that people will refer back to the tiki torches.

01:27:04.240 Oh yeah.

01:27:04.880 Yeah.

01:27:05.900 And also the fascis as well, kind of similar.

01:27:10.160 And the Statue of Liberty to say, would you like infinity immigrants, here's this part. 0.98

01:27:13.920 Although I like the sentiment though.

01:27:18.020 Pelling argument nonetheless, on with the next one.

01:27:20.300 Rayon, otherwise known as viscose, is a man-made fabric with highly desirable properties.

01:27:24.940 It wicks sweat, dries quickly, and does not hold a static charge.

01:27:28.060 It's made by breaking down cellulose with extremely harsh chemicals and re-polymerizing it.

01:27:32.880 Clothing or bedding marked as bamboo is rayon.

01:27:35.840 Be careful when business evangelists talk about promoting nature-based solutions and naturally derived ingredients.

01:27:41.380 My name is Nicole Schwab, I'm the co-director of the platform to accelerate nature-based solutions at the World Economic Forum.

01:27:47.980 What they actually mean is man-made, but using plants instead of oil.

01:27:52.200 Agricultural land is being bought for resources, not food.

01:27:57.720 Like cotton.

01:27:59.260 I suppose wool's animal rather than plant, but like...

01:28:01.880 So wool's really uncomfortable.

01:28:03.340 Yeah, I like wool.

01:28:04.600 Cotton's way nicer.

01:28:05.660 I have to have cotton and everything. 0.92

01:28:08.060 Anyway, on with the next one.

01:28:09.580 Oh dear lord, go on then.

01:28:11.380 Ode to Connor

01:28:13.740 May the trail you find yourself upon stand the test of time.

01:28:18.700 May your path be more than duty, and you gather plenty dimes.

01:28:22.720 I hope your new adventures will be a good ride.

01:28:25.480 And you enjoy the journey, both you and your bride.

01:28:29.400 Wishing you all the best.

01:28:32.360 Anne

01:28:32.840 Dan's civil war video was great.

01:28:46.620 Things are said behind the paywall that wouldn't otherwise be said.

01:28:50.280 It's always illuminating.

01:28:51.280 I've mentioned before that I understand the precarious situation you're in and the targets

01:28:56.580 on your backs, as Dan did touch on.

01:28:58.600 For today's hosts, do any of you think it can be reversed?

01:29:02.620 Or is the inertia of the system going to lead to civil war?

01:29:07.040 Everything can be reversed.

01:29:09.380 Everything can change.

01:29:10.360 Can be reversed if the willingness to do so is there.

01:29:13.140 I actually think that the Farage development we've spoken about is positive in that regard.

01:29:18.080 I think it's spectacular.

01:29:19.040 Because it means that the intractable blockage, the sort of cult of personality that was unwilling

01:29:22.900 to do anything, has been... 0.95

01:29:24.160 True, sorry, I don't want to be a dick, but...

01:29:25.980 No, I totally agree. 0.89

01:29:27.120 Things are existential now, and we can't wait for it.

01:29:29.320 So it's been removed, and now people who are competent, like Ben Habib, like Rupert Lowe,

01:29:32.440 etc., that the absolute wealth of talent they left on the table can get to work on preventing

01:29:37.160 him an ethnic...

01:29:37.980 Farage's vanity just has to be...

01:29:39.820 Sorry, too bad.

01:29:40.740 Get out.

01:29:41.240 I don't know about you guys, but seeing Dan in a beanie like that gives me the urge to

01:29:45.480 cross the road. 0.98

01:29:46.100 He looks like a drunk hobo. 0.98

01:29:51.940 Especially with the shirt and blazer. 0.97

01:29:54.060 He's just lost his final investment at Betfred.

01:29:58.300 I thought he looks a little bit like Barry from Four Lions.

01:30:00.600 He's a bit like a ponder in a bunker.

01:30:03.200 Radicalizer moderates.

01:30:04.340 Anyway, next one.

01:30:07.980 Connor, if you haven't said, what's next for you?

01:30:10.840 I'd love to stay in tune with anything you do.

01:30:13.080 Your contribution to your country has been great, and I hope it may continue.

01:30:17.860 Should we ever cross paths?

01:30:19.520 It would be a pleasure.

01:30:21.000 A thousand things I wish I could say, but a profound and earnest thank you for everything

01:30:25.860 should encompass it all.

01:30:27.400 Thank you.

01:30:28.340 I pray for goodness to follow you.

01:30:30.300 It's well deserved.

01:30:31.120 Oh, thanks, man.

01:30:33.940 I mean, I'll be out in the US, not infrequently.

01:30:37.340 Also, probably, if anyone's going to NatCon DC in September, I'll see you there.

01:30:42.020 Updates coming soon on what I'm doing.

01:30:43.760 But basically, I got given too many opportunities that I could turn down that were useful to the

01:30:47.940 cause.

01:30:48.360 And so, I will be pushing in the same direction, just from different positions, to these wonderful

01:30:53.720 lads here.

01:30:57.340 I went down to the river on the weekend.

01:31:02.220 It was a beautiful day to see Foraker, Hunter, and McKinley.

01:31:11.480 Ah, lovely.

01:31:12.660 Very good.

01:31:16.800 Glad Trump renamed that mountain.

01:31:20.500 I was going to have the robo-waifu give Connor a goodbye message, but she's hidden her control 1.00

01:31:25.380 keyboard, so you get some footage of my mech video game instead.

01:31:28.900 Thank the lord.

01:31:29.880 Good luck on your adventures, Connor.

01:31:32.320 Nobody can fill the void left behind by your knowledge, personality, wisdom, and giant ears.

01:31:42.660 Oh, I heard that one.

01:31:51.460 Nothing to say other than thanks very much.

01:31:52.940 They had to get one in there, didn't they?

01:31:54.400 Yeah, of course.

01:31:54.980 It's fine.

01:31:57.900 Oh, excellent.

01:31:58.980 We'll do a couple of written ones before we wrap up, I suppose.

01:32:02.200 We have two more Rumble rants as well.

01:32:04.320 We do have two Rumble rants.

01:32:05.520 $20 as well, thank you.

01:32:06.820 Thank you, GLE777.

01:32:08.640 Thank you for your service at the Lotus Seat.

01:32:09.820 It's Connor, have a few pints on me before Starmer inevitably bans alcohol.

01:32:13.040 I actually gave up last Lent and have stuck with it ever since.

01:32:16.260 Oh, well done.

01:32:16.840 Hence why I've been a lot more prudent on lads hours.

01:32:19.840 Why would you do that?

01:32:21.220 Because, honestly, it's expensive.

01:32:23.400 It made me feel crap the next day, and if you're in Westminster, there's no such thing 0.79

01:32:26.940 as a free drink. 0.88

01:32:28.260 Yeah, that's true.

01:32:30.920 Everyone knows that Parliament tries to get compromise on people.

01:32:33.460 He doesn't want to wake up in Gove's apartment again. 0.99

01:32:35.600 The third time now, damn it! 0.98

01:32:40.520 Now I've got a limp home from Pimplico. 0.99

01:32:43.680 McLeod, for $5, this is addressed to you, Harry, I believe.

01:32:46.420 FDR being pro-Soviet is nothing new. 0.66

01:32:47.880 He was unapologetically socialist.

01:32:49.440 80% of socialist programs started in the US were by him.

01:32:52.160 He even confiscated gold from American citizens.

01:32:54.200 That's a good point.

01:32:54.900 I should have brought that up.

01:32:55.920 Just stealing gold from people, making it illegal.

01:32:58.980 Very Doctor Evil.

01:32:59.760 Yeah, it is actually Doctor Evil.

01:33:01.420 Maybe there is something to this theory, actually.

01:33:03.320 So, do you want to do the written comments, a couple of them?

01:33:07.540 Well, yeah, we'll do a couple of them.

01:33:09.480 I'll skip over the ones that are saying goodbye to you.

01:33:13.220 Bleach Demon says...

01:33:14.240 Well, it's just...

01:33:15.020 It's alright, it's fine.

01:33:16.260 We haven't got time.

01:33:17.200 Yeah.

01:33:17.760 Bleach Demon says,

01:33:18.400 Farage is looking more and more like a typical feckless, vaguely right-leaning politician.

01:33:21.720 Yeah, he's looking like a Tory, isn't he?

01:33:23.900 He can eloquently parrot messages of more resolute men than himself,

01:33:27.760 but will not advance anything without popular opinion leading him.

01:33:31.240 That's precisely what is happening.

01:33:33.740 Martin says,

01:33:34.480 Farage reminds me of the kids you play football on the streets with,

01:33:36.440 who get upset and take their ball home so no one else can play. 0.99

01:33:38.920 A petulant and weak little man cosplaying up to Islam, 1.00

01:33:42.920 so he can keep the job he's failed to get several times before. 0.99

01:33:45.440 I don't know how you really fail.

01:33:46.400 I know.

01:33:46.880 Everybody else.

01:33:47.540 But the thing is, it's kind of true.

01:33:49.680 That's the problem.

01:33:50.500 It's not now an uncommon narrative within Reform's own voter base.

01:33:53.340 Yeah.

01:33:53.780 Well, we covered the thing the other day.

01:33:55.580 Only a third of Reform members are actually deeply committed to Farage.

01:33:59.640 Jimbo says,

01:34:00.160 It's amazing that Farage thinks he can control the narrative on this one.

01:34:02.680 Unless something truly shocking comes out, this is despicable behaviour.

01:34:06.040 Oakshock, in particular, has behaved appallingly over this.

01:34:09.300 Yeah.

01:34:09.940 And Russian says,

01:34:11.540 With every tweet, Farage loses yet more credibility.

01:34:15.460 Quite.

01:34:18.380 Right.

01:34:18.920 Is that it for us?

01:34:20.360 I think so.

01:34:21.060 Okay.

01:34:21.800 Thanks very much, gents.

01:34:23.100 Yeah, I know.

01:34:23.820 Last ever sign-off.

01:34:25.560 I'll be back in about 20-odd minutes for the final episode of Thomson Talks,

01:34:28.900 where I'll be taking your questions and ranting, as I typically do.

01:34:32.560 But before I go, thanks, guys.

01:34:35.840 It's been a pleasure.

01:34:36.920 I mean, co-host of Comics Corner, we've had plenty of good memories.

01:34:39.600 Oh, yeah.

01:34:39.900 You know, from the first time you collared me after I came in for the guest episode and made a tea,

01:34:44.540 and you just turned around and went,

01:34:45.520 Right, when do you start?

01:34:46.560 Yeah.

01:34:47.280 It's been a hell of a ride, so.

01:34:48.320 I'm sure you'll be back.

01:34:49.640 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:50.340 You know, you'll always be able to come visit.

01:34:52.940 Understood.

01:34:53.460 We'll only be down the road.

01:34:54.440 Anyway.

01:34:54.760 We still didn't get Watchmen done together.

01:34:57.880 Be a looming promise.

01:34:59.500 Come on.

01:35:00.140 Yeah.

01:35:00.420 I did hate it.

01:35:01.100 And on that controversial take, I'll leave you guys.

01:35:03.840 Love you and leave you.

01:35:04.480 We will be back tomorrow at one o'clock.

01:35:06.780 Take care.

01:35:07.360 God bless.

01:35:07.740 Goodbye.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - March 12, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1119

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