The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1135

00:00:00.000 Hello, and welcome to Podcast of the Lotus Eaters, episode 1135 on this, the Thursday

00:00:07.820 3rd of April.

00:00:08.760 I am joined by Beau, Harry.

00:00:12.280 Hello.

00:00:12.820 We have the three most based Lotus Eaters all in one place.

00:00:15.840 You're welcome.

00:00:16.620 So, yes, hopefully this goes...

00:00:17.940 What are we going to be talking?

00:00:18.440 We're going to be talking about tariffs, because everybody's got it wrong, apart from me, obviously.

00:00:23.860 So I will explain the correct version of that.

00:00:27.400 Harry, you've been thinking about assisted dying.

00:00:30.000 Yeah, every day gets more and more difficult.

00:00:32.960 Yes.

00:00:33.540 Well, let's...

00:00:35.440 I mean, we can't legally encourage you, can we?

00:00:38.140 I mean, not yet.

00:00:39.300 Right, okay.

00:00:40.080 And Beau is going to be talking about aliens building pyramids or something?

00:00:44.400 Yeah.

00:00:44.940 The business secret of the pharaohs?

00:00:47.020 Yeah.

00:00:48.100 It must be aliens.

00:00:49.920 Yeah, definitely.

00:00:50.660 Yeah, right.

00:00:51.440 Okay, so...

00:00:52.420 The explanation.

00:00:53.480 No announcements.

00:00:54.660 Wait, so no moon landing, but aliens built the pyramids.

00:00:58.080 Right, you continually misrepresent my position on this.

00:01:02.400 I have legitimate questions about it on both fronts, and I hear...

00:01:06.400 He's asking questions, bro.

00:01:07.680 Yes, exactly.

00:01:08.560 Right, okay.

00:01:09.520 But let's get the game face on for the Utahds, so I can do the first segment.

00:01:14.820 Samson's just adjusting the cameras and everything.

00:01:17.380 Right, anyway, we're going in and out of focus, Samson.

00:01:19.640 We're probably good to go.

00:01:20.600 You can't capture my true beauty.

00:01:21.980 So, Donald Trump has brought in his tariffs, and it's upset everybody because it is bigger

00:01:29.360 than they were expecting.

00:01:32.280 I mean, isn't this exactly what he's been saying he would do since before he was elected?

00:01:36.620 About the last 30 or 40 years.

00:01:38.440 Yes, he's been saying he would do this if he's in a position to do so, and he's actually

00:01:42.740 done it.

00:01:43.620 The worrying thing for me is that every single take I've seen on this is just plain wrong.

00:01:50.440 Every take on the mainstream media, on the financial press, on the Republican side, the

00:01:56.920 MAGA side, the libtard side, everybody is not getting this.

00:02:00.540 Actually, if you just read a little bit deeper into what Trump is saying, his side comments,

00:02:06.300 it does explain what's going on.

00:02:07.700 Anyway, I'm going to explain the whole lot.

00:02:08.840 I will not be getting into the role of the dollar itself.

00:02:13.620 So, we've got this Brokonomics on the Empire of Dollars that addresses that angle.

00:02:18.740 So, if you've got any comeback on, I didn't explore that option.

00:02:21.480 That's fine.

00:02:21.920 I've only got a 20-minute segment here.

00:02:23.340 If I do a Brokonomics on tariffs, I'll get into all of this.

00:02:27.520 But, yeah, I am aware of that fact.

00:02:29.040 I just don't think it's necessary for this.

00:02:30.820 So, first of all, let's get into the actual big news itself that came out last night and

00:02:37.880 shocked the world.

00:02:38.380 Let's play a little bit of this so we just get a feel for where the man is at.

00:02:44.480 So, if you look at that, China, first row, China, 67%.

00:02:49.660 That's tariffs charged to the USA, including currency manipulation and trade barriers.

00:02:55.560 So, 67%.

00:02:56.960 I think you can, for the most part, see it.

00:02:58.760 Those with good eyes, with bad eyes.

00:03:00.360 We didn't want to bring – it's very windy out here.

00:03:02.020 We didn't want to bring out the big charts because it had no chance of standing.

00:03:04.440 Fortunately, we came armed with a little smaller chart.

00:03:08.480 So, 67%.

00:03:09.840 So, we're going to be charging a discounted reciprocal tariff of 34%.

00:03:13.420 I think, in other words, they charge us.

00:03:15.360 We charge them.

00:03:15.900 We charge them less.

00:03:16.560 So, how can anybody be upset?

00:03:17.600 They will be, because we never charge anybody anything.

00:03:20.560 But now we're going to charge.

00:03:22.620 European Union, they're very tough.

00:03:24.140 Very, very tough traders.

00:03:26.740 You know, you think of European Union, very friendly.

00:03:28.920 They rip us off.

00:03:29.760 It's so sad to see.

00:03:31.140 It's so pathetic.

00:03:32.540 39%.

00:03:33.260 We're going to charge them 20%.

00:03:34.920 So, we're charging them essentially half.

00:03:36.720 Vietnam, great negotiators, great people.

00:03:39.660 They like me.

00:03:40.220 I like them.

00:03:40.680 The problem is they charge us 90%.

00:03:42.480 We're going to charge them 46% tariff.

00:03:45.480 Taiwan, where they make –

00:03:46.960 Right.

00:03:47.520 Okay.

00:03:47.760 So, I'll stop that there.

00:03:49.300 So, he's basically just taken the tariffs that they're charging the U.S.

00:03:52.220 and halved them and said, here you go.

00:03:54.420 He's saying that he's doing that.

00:03:56.440 All right.

00:03:57.020 Claiming that he's doing that.

00:03:58.280 So, for example, if you get down to the U.K.

00:03:59.940 I mean, I won't play the U.K. bit, but the U.K. gets like a 10% tariff.

00:04:04.760 Things we're not charging him 10%.

00:04:06.520 I mean, we've got a 2.5% fee that we charge everybody, and that's about it.

00:04:11.020 And you could try and claim that he's factoring in VAT or something like that,

00:04:15.020 but that's not it either.

00:04:16.640 So, he's presenting these.

00:04:19.120 And by the way, I'm on Trump's side on all of this.

00:04:21.120 I'm just saying that the framing that he's giving us is not actually correct.

00:04:23.980 So, he's framing it as if those are the charges of stuff of American goods going in,

00:04:28.200 and then he's just halving it.

00:04:30.340 That's what he wants you to think.

00:04:32.220 Because this is actually going to be a tax raise on Americans.

00:04:36.040 And again, actually, I do support it, and I'll get into why.

00:04:39.600 Only if they're buying the foreign stuff, though, right?

00:04:42.320 Yeah.

00:04:43.140 Yeah.

00:04:43.500 But, I mean, tariffs are paid by the country that they arrive in.

00:04:46.960 So, you know, you can't, I mean, you can't tax somebody with it now.

00:04:53.740 With tariffs, just to clarify for me, if you are an importer, when you import those goods,

00:05:00.240 you pay the people who are exporting it, and then the tariffs you pay on top of that.

00:05:04.280 Well, no, you pay a duty when you receive something in.

00:05:07.360 Yeah.

00:05:07.780 You'll be charged a levy on that.

00:05:09.740 If you just buy an American car instead of a European Union car or a Japanese car,

00:05:13.860 there won't be any tariffs.

00:05:15.200 Right.

00:05:15.500 And that's the whole point.

00:05:16.680 But wouldn't the costs come back if the materials that have been used to build that car

00:05:22.360 have been imported themselves, and they have the tariffs on top of them?

00:05:25.760 So that would extend the cost as well?

00:05:28.540 Yeah, that would push up the cost, but still, you want to be doing the value-add bit in America.

00:05:32.100 So you want to do as much in America as you can.

00:05:33.820 Well, if you're American, you do anything.

00:05:34.600 The whole point of protectionism is to encourage domestic manufacturers, as far as I'm aware.

00:05:38.780 Yeah, I mean, that's it.

00:05:39.780 I mean, you two have nailed it straight away.

00:05:40.900 This is something the entire commentariat cannot get their head around, what's going

00:05:45.880 on here.

00:05:47.040 And essentially what it is, is because America is in a completely unsustainable position,

00:05:51.780 and they just can't kick the can down the road forever.

00:05:55.000 Now, I'm going to give you one line, because it was like 50 minutes long, this thing, and

00:05:58.760 it's mostly him telling us how great he is and how everybody loves him, which is fair

00:06:02.680 enough.

00:06:03.200 I mean, he is Trump.

00:06:04.320 But there was one key line at the end, so I'll read that.

00:06:06.360 Now, if you want your tariff rate to be zero, then build your product right here in America,

00:06:11.140 because there is no tariff if you build the plant, your product, in America, Trump said.

00:06:16.340 And that's how he signed off.

00:06:17.280 Offshore to us.

00:06:18.820 Yeah, bring it back.

00:06:19.960 Bring it back.

00:06:20.380 That's what he's saying.

00:06:21.840 Now, let me just build up on my point about how the current situation is unsustainable.

00:06:25.860 Because the entire commentariat, even right-wing commentariats, are coming at this from the

00:06:32.200 line of this is a variation of where we are now, and it put costs up against where we

00:06:37.080 are now, and therefore it is a bad thing.

00:06:40.200 But here's the problem.

00:06:41.600 Where we are now is mental.

00:06:43.580 So this is the US debt clock.

00:06:45.780 I think we're having a stroke looking at this.

00:06:47.740 Yeah, I mean, it is a bit busy, but I'll point out the key areas.

00:06:51.100 So the US national debt, it's like 37 trillion.

00:06:55.840 That's insane.

00:06:56.440 How did we get to a position like that?

00:06:58.840 Okay, so the US spends...

00:07:00.680 That's about 100 grand every five seconds it's going up.

00:07:04.120 Yeah, something like that.

00:07:04.860 Yeah.

00:07:06.060 Well, a bit less than that, I think.

00:07:07.840 No, a bit faster than that.

00:07:09.040 So the US is spending 7 trillion every year, and it's collecting in taxes 5 trillion every

00:07:15.800 year.

00:07:16.920 So in fact, I'll quickly go to the world level that just gives you the quick balance.

00:07:24.000 Right, so the US debt and its GDP is about the same thing.

00:07:28.040 Now, that's actually quite helpful when the two numbers are the same, because then you

00:07:32.040 simply need to ask one question, which is growing faster?

00:07:35.820 The debt is growing faster, and therefore the debt will consume everything if this isn't

00:07:41.140 stopped.

00:07:41.800 So the current situation that the US is in is insane.

00:07:44.900 This has to be stopped.

00:07:46.540 As you can see here, the US does not have a tax-raising problem as such.

00:07:51.340 It has a spending problem.

00:07:52.880 But all the time, it's got that enormous 2 trillion deficit.

00:07:56.040 It is just unwinding the roots of the country.

00:08:00.340 So that has to be turned around quickly.

00:08:01.820 So when you hear about how mad it is, just remember that, no, where we are starting from

00:08:08.640 is the mad bit.

00:08:09.960 The US needs to cut its spending, and that's what Doge is all about.

00:08:13.380 And it's going to have to raise a bit of revenue in the meantime as well, because it's

00:08:17.460 got to get that down.

00:08:18.580 It can bring in future tax cuts in the future.

00:08:20.660 And I think that's what's going to happen.

00:08:21.880 Do we know where most of that spending is coming from?

00:08:24.000 Because I've recently started reading Super Imperialism by Michael Hudson.

00:08:28.360 And in the introduction to that, he talks about how in the 1970s, when he originally

00:08:32.980 wrote it, he'd done some kind of revenue check of how the US was spending its money and found

00:08:38.280 that basically the entirety of the deficit was going off into international military spending.

00:08:45.620 So military bases, wars being fought.

00:08:48.460 Obviously, it was the time of Vietnam as well.

00:08:50.960 But a lot of people would put it down to the military-industrial complex.

00:08:53.740 Is that still the case?

00:08:54.940 I can answer that question, actually.

00:08:56.740 Yeah, Samson, if you put it back on screen.

00:08:58.220 So basically, it's transfers to boomers, people who don't want to work, blowing stuff up, and paying debt.

00:09:06.000 So first of all, Medicare, Medicaid, that takes up one and a half trillion.

00:09:12.340 Social Security, that's another one and a half trillion.

00:09:14.720 The fence is another trillion, basically.

00:09:18.100 I think it's much bigger than that number once you factor in all the intelligence services

00:09:21.180 stuff as well.

00:09:22.100 But yeah, it's probably closer to another one and a half rather than just under one.

00:09:27.820 And then debt, interest they've got to pay.

00:09:30.780 And that's mental.

00:09:31.400 Because at least with that, you've got happy boomers.

00:09:34.980 At least with that, you've got people in inner cities waddling around getting corn syrup

00:09:40.480 stuffed down their throat, not having to work.

00:09:43.060 So at least you're getting something.

00:09:43.880 And at least with that, you get to watch a pretty explosion.

00:09:47.080 But with that...

00:09:47.260 You get to be the hegemon of the world.

00:09:49.100 Well, yeah, and that, yes.

00:09:50.060 I mean, this is the cost of empire.

00:09:53.320 Fair enough.

00:09:54.160 But this bit, that debt interest, that's just a trillion that is just going up in smoke.

00:09:59.300 That's just the bill coming due on all the rampant spending of the past few decades.

00:10:08.420 So annoying when you get an overdraft, you get charged for using your overdraft.

00:10:13.620 Or when you look at the interest on your own mortgage.

00:10:15.840 And won't that be...

00:10:18.000 Will that be interest that they need to repay to, what, their own banks?

00:10:23.020 Oh, all over the place.

00:10:24.640 Some of it will be their own citizens' pension funds.

00:10:28.140 Some of it will be China.

00:10:29.220 Some of it will be, you know, the sovereign wealth fund of Saudi.

00:10:32.720 It'd be going all over the place, that money.

00:10:36.140 But anyway, so this situation cannot stand.

00:10:38.420 This has to change.

00:10:41.520 But the thing is, he can't just come out and say, I'm going to...

00:10:45.120 It's two things he's achieving.

00:10:46.760 Partly, it's a bit of a tax increase.

00:10:49.460 But he can't come out and say, I'm raising taxes on American.

00:10:51.760 Although all his critics are going to make that claim.

00:10:54.620 So I need to address it.

00:10:56.240 But actually, it's more about reorientating stuff.

00:10:59.660 America doesn't need cheap Chinese tat.

00:11:02.960 What America needs is homes and jobs.

00:11:04.480 And that is what he's actually trying to change.

00:11:07.580 In fact, I'll show you...

00:11:08.800 Here we go.

00:11:09.160 We've got the actual tariffs.

00:11:12.180 Interestingly, it appears that it's been derived from a simple Excel formula.

00:11:17.360 Rather than what he's claiming, which is reciprocal tariffs.

00:11:21.140 I will come to that in a second.

00:11:22.880 Still, it's interesting that if those numbers,

00:11:24.840 the numbers saying what the other countries are charging the United States,

00:11:28.920 if they're even remotely true or close,

00:11:31.480 that's remarkable to me.

00:11:33.460 Because look at it.

00:11:34.300 I mean, it's sort of mad.

00:11:35.300 You talk about free trade or Donald Trump's enemy of free trade.

00:11:38.240 Well, wait a minute.

00:11:39.240 What about everyone else in the whole world?

00:11:41.000 Yeah.

00:11:41.140 It's saying tariffs charged, including currency manipulation and trade barriers.

00:11:45.000 So it actually is not really that.

00:11:47.120 I mean, a lot of these countries do have effective tariffs against the United States.

00:11:51.680 So it's not completely wrong.

00:11:53.180 But it's not really right either.

00:11:55.160 I mean, if you look at some of the big ones there, like Vietnam is massive,

00:11:59.100 or Cambodia, or Myanmar, so on there, Madagascar, I mean, or Laos.

00:12:05.080 Yeah.

00:12:05.300 It's funny, actually, with the Vietnam War countries.

00:12:08.120 Madagascar, not Madagascar, a big threat of importing American goods.

00:12:13.300 Well, exactly.

00:12:14.220 This is what I was going to say.

00:12:15.320 I mean, what is Vietnam and Madagascar importing from the United States?

00:12:19.000 Now, it's all worked out on physical goods, which is key.

00:12:23.460 It is not including...

00:12:25.400 Commodities.

00:12:26.260 Services.

00:12:27.100 Right.

00:12:27.420 Okay.

00:12:27.800 Right.

00:12:28.200 So if you are a Lotus Eaters subscription holder, don't be worried.

00:12:32.380 You're probably not going to get tariffed for watching the Lotus Eaters.

00:12:36.260 Although the Islander probably will get tariffed.

00:12:38.440 I was just going to say, what about the Islander?

00:12:39.780 Yeah.

00:12:39.900 Oh, dear.

00:12:40.500 But at least the UK is down at 10% because we also have a fantasy economy.

00:12:46.200 I'll be coming to that.

00:12:47.940 Right.

00:12:48.120 And actually, on the point of how these were worked out, some guy figured it out.

00:12:52.040 So basically, what they're doing is they're taking the trade deficit divided by the exports,

00:12:56.940 leaving out services.

00:12:59.580 Okay.

00:13:00.080 So that's quite low resolution anyway you cut it there.

00:13:02.780 Yeah.

00:13:03.020 But essentially, what it's doing is people who send us real stuff, if we're not sending

00:13:07.760 them an equal amount of real stuff back, they're getting a bigger tariff.

00:13:10.860 And that kind of explains why Vietnam, the rate is so high and why China, the rate is so

00:13:16.160 high.

00:13:16.700 It's because those countries are actually doing real things.

00:13:20.940 Manufacturing.

00:13:22.040 Well, I mean, in Vietnam, I don't know how much it's manufacturing.

00:13:25.140 It's probably sewing a lot of T-shirts and stuff like that.

00:13:29.980 A lot of garments are probably being made there.

00:13:32.980 But nevertheless, it is a real thing.

00:13:35.080 That's getting shipped over to America.

00:13:36.600 And America, of course, doesn't need to, well, doesn't send much to Vietnam.

00:13:39.940 Thus, the huge imbalance.

00:13:41.480 So effectively, what he's, the way you've got to think about this is he is going after

00:13:46.280 real things.

00:13:50.580 He wants to rebalance real things being moved into the United States and real work being

00:13:55.840 done in the United States.

00:13:57.540 And the criticism of all of this is you're going to push up costs.

00:14:00.360 You're going to push up taxes and stuff.

00:14:01.640 And you're going to damage the economy.

00:14:03.360 Now, yes, he is going to damage the economy.

00:14:07.100 Right.

00:14:07.480 But let's get to the sort of big takeaway here.

00:14:11.460 Good.

00:14:12.620 Because what is the real?

00:14:13.780 I'm going to show you what the real U.S. economy looks like.

00:14:17.160 Can we play this video?

00:14:21.640 My co-workers keep saying I need to make it like a tech TikTok.

00:14:25.060 Because if you look at my TikTok, you never guess I have a job.

00:14:27.740 So anyways, this is our current workstation.

00:14:30.920 Callie and I are what you call product managers.

00:14:33.360 Callie, what is your team over?

00:14:36.040 My team is over recording and internal tools.

00:14:39.360 And I am over what we call card experience.

00:14:41.520 So we work on like anything from activating your credit card to freezing, reissue, shipping,

00:14:48.760 all the good stuff.

00:14:50.340 What's a PM?

00:14:53.840 We help prioritize and help the engineers stay on track and help them know what to build

00:14:58.720 so that you have a product to use.

00:15:00.660 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:01.260 So you might have a team, like the engineers actually do the developing, the coding,

00:15:04.040 which is the impressive part.

00:15:05.520 Designers also do the impressive part.

00:15:07.300 Right.

00:15:07.580 Okay.

00:15:07.760 You get the point.

00:15:08.380 You know when a little kid, a small child, like a five or six year old, starts parroting

00:15:14.500 adults and obviously don't know what they're saying.

00:15:17.800 Or perhaps a foreign language actor doing Shakespeare and they're just reading the line.

00:15:22.960 They're saying the words.

00:15:23.960 Yeah.

00:15:24.400 But they obviously have got no idea what they're saying or what they're talking about.

00:15:28.480 Yeah.

00:15:29.540 That was the impression I got about these two young ladies.

00:15:32.040 I was thinking more like when a small child wants to help you do some DIY housework and

00:15:37.840 they obviously can't actually do anything.

00:15:40.200 So you give them, say, a nut and a screw and you say, solve this for me.

00:15:46.160 And they go off in the corner and they think that they're helping, but you're just getting

00:15:49.220 them out of the way.

00:15:49.740 So that, right, except we, well, we in the Western world have created an entire society

00:15:58.140 and an economy that made up work for women has become the economy, right?

00:16:05.360 So she's probably getting paid 60, 70, maybe 80K a year.

00:16:09.060 I mean, do you remember those TikToks from a few years ago of my life, a day in the life

00:16:13.920 of a Chicago tech worker and it's just girls going for brunch with their friends?

00:16:18.960 Yeah.

00:16:19.080 They sit down for half an hour, answer a few emails and then they go and play pool for

00:16:24.600 the rest of the week and get drunk.

00:16:25.940 This is entirely my big point.

00:16:27.920 Yes, when the lefties say that these tariffs are going to damage the US economy, yes, it

00:16:33.860 will damage the US economy, but that's because the US economy is not entirely.

00:16:39.720 But largely absolute bullshit.

00:16:42.840 That's the problem.

00:16:44.200 It is not a well-engineered, perfect structure with no faults that must be preserved because

00:16:50.320 of its purity.

00:16:51.760 No, it's an economy run on debt, importing cheap plastic tap from China.

00:16:58.580 You have women working absolute bullshit.

00:17:01.520 Meanwhile, you have good men in large parts of the country hooked on opium and unemployed

00:17:06.360 because there's no real work, no manufacturing, nothing tangible, nothing real.

00:17:12.040 That's the problem.

00:17:13.700 That is what Trump is trying to address.

00:17:15.260 So real economics is happening in Asia.

00:17:18.720 Real stuff is getting done.

00:17:21.000 Bullshit wankery like this is happening in the West.

00:17:23.680 And basically, those high tariffs, as you saw before, they're targeting the real stuff.

00:17:29.480 They're creating an incentive for that real stuff to be sent over and done in America,

00:17:34.900 which is why the UK tariffs are so low.

00:17:37.960 So again, everybody's take on this is wrong.

00:17:40.720 You're going to see some people saying that the low tariff that UK is paying is a Brexit

00:17:45.320 dividend or something like that, or Keir Starmer's cool negotiation handling of Trump.

00:17:51.020 No, no, it's none of that.

00:17:52.520 It's because our economy is as much bullshit as their economy.

00:17:56.200 And therefore, we don't make any real stuff because Asia's doing all of it.

00:17:59.200 And so therefore, we get a low tariff rate because we're also a bullshit economy.

00:18:02.800 That's what's going on.

00:18:03.900 The other angle I saw, which I thought was palpably nonsense.

00:18:08.620 I wonder what you're taking on it.

00:18:09.800 It was a picture, cartoon, drawing, meme of Trump taking a piss.

00:18:15.720 And the piss is just blowing back into his face.

00:18:18.540 I didn't see that.

00:18:19.580 It was just some stupid cartoon on Twitter.

00:18:21.700 And I was like, this is what tariffs are.

00:18:23.520 This is what America's doing to itself.

00:18:25.380 And I was like, no, no, no, no, that's not right.

00:18:28.100 In a way.

00:18:29.340 If Trump wants to increase manufacturing in the United States,

00:18:34.860 then he's not pissing in his own face at all.

00:18:37.340 Also, leftists are always,

00:18:39.620 it's in favour of massively hiking taxes on large corporations.

00:18:44.020 Except for when all of a sudden it's done in the form of tariffs,

00:18:47.680 which will basically do the same thing.

00:18:51.380 Because it's a tax that might encourage large corporations

00:18:54.500 to actually onshore work that could help American people.

00:18:58.220 I mean, rather than just give out free handouts via...

00:19:02.060 I mean, no taxes really fall on corporations.

00:19:04.440 They always fall on consumers in the end.

00:19:06.060 But I mean, I take your point.

00:19:07.040 The lefties can't get their messaging right on this stuff.

00:19:10.520 Car manufacturer, for an example,

00:19:12.540 because it's easy for everyone to get their mind around.

00:19:14.300 A foreign car manufacturer.

00:19:17.900 I don't know, like Toyota or something.

00:19:20.340 Or BMW or Audi or something like that.

00:19:21.880 But Trump's simply saying,

00:19:24.200 look, if you want to sell tons of Toyotas in the United States,

00:19:29.160 just build a Toyota factory in the United States.

00:19:32.020 Instead of building them in wherever.

00:19:33.360 And what he's doing then...

00:19:34.800 Indonesia, and then shipping them.

00:19:36.160 ...probably work, right?

00:19:37.240 It should work.

00:19:38.180 And that's simply in America's interest.

00:19:40.700 Yes.

00:19:40.940 I mean, it's simple.

00:19:43.460 And you guys get it straight away.

00:19:45.240 But honestly, the entire commentariat cannot see this.

00:19:48.220 They cannot see past the end of their nose.

00:19:50.400 And just to return to your point about the comic

00:19:52.480 about him pissing his own face.

00:19:54.160 Well, that's what it looks like to them.

00:19:55.500 Because in the short term,

00:19:56.940 this will damage the economy.

00:20:00.120 You know, people like this.

00:20:01.700 Because next time she wants to buy a flat screen TV,

00:20:05.180 it's going to cost more.

00:20:06.820 Because they're going to be tariffs

00:20:07.840 from wherever it gets imported in.

00:20:09.120 And you've got to remember...

00:20:11.540 Unless she buys American.

00:20:14.280 I don't know how many TVs are produced in America.

00:20:17.560 I'd imagine that has gone down.

00:20:19.420 A bit like the car industry and stuff like that.

00:20:21.200 But the game plan here is not to look good week by week

00:20:24.240 like Biden was doing.

00:20:25.580 So what Biden was doing is...

00:20:26.920 I mean, he was making an enormous mess.

00:20:29.120 And I kept on saying this throughout the Biden presidency.

00:20:31.760 I kept on coming in and making these points

00:20:33.640 during the podcast.

00:20:34.760 Because I don't think most people realise

00:20:36.040 how damaging Biden is being.

00:20:37.660 with his debt and his insane government spending

00:20:41.400 and all the rest of it.

00:20:42.220 Or agonomics.

00:20:43.520 Yeah.

00:20:43.800 But what he did on the short term

00:20:46.020 is he would get like the Department of Jobs

00:20:49.880 or whatever to produce numbers that were fake,

00:20:53.100 that made him look better than he was.

00:20:55.120 And then they'd just revise it like a year later

00:20:57.640 and say, oh, actually, no,

00:20:58.400 there's numbers from a year ago.

00:20:59.380 We've had to revise them.

00:21:00.560 And there was a massive revision

00:21:02.180 the day that Trump came in.

00:21:04.120 Say, oh, yeah, all those Trump numbers,

00:21:05.600 yeah, they're a bit made up.

00:21:06.440 So his thing was looking good short term.

00:21:09.280 All you have to do is walk outside,

00:21:11.080 put down the New York Times,

00:21:12.400 which is telling you that the economy is good.

00:21:14.300 Walk outside and you can see for yourself

00:21:15.680 that that clearly isn't it.

00:21:17.520 So, but the problem is now,

00:21:19.500 is that Trump is going to have

00:21:21.380 a difficult period for the next 18 months

00:21:24.500 or couple of years at least.

00:21:26.080 Because this is going to impose costs,

00:21:29.020 but the economy is not going to readjust that quickly.

00:21:31.860 If people want to reshore manufacturing,

00:21:32.900 it's going to take a couple of years

00:21:34.780 to get that online.

00:21:36.220 So he's got a problem for the midterms

00:21:38.060 because all of the cost is going to fall short.

00:21:39.960 And this is why he's acting so fast.

00:21:41.540 This is why he's doing it right away.

00:21:43.640 He's only been in for like 100 days or something.

00:21:45.860 And he's already pulling sort of big moves like this.

00:21:50.680 People aren't getting it right.

00:21:51.660 And I did think about including some reaction

00:21:54.340 from people.

00:21:55.380 And I watched a whole bunch of,

00:21:57.360 you know, like Ursula von der Leyen

00:22:00.240 and, you know, the Australian PM.

00:22:02.920 And I watched whole loads of news panel reactions

00:22:05.760 and stuff like that.

00:22:07.140 And they're all basically saying the same thing,

00:22:09.880 just in a really boring and missing the point way.

00:22:12.460 Can't see past the end of their nose.

00:22:14.360 And eventually I found a comment on Zero Hedge,

00:22:19.160 which is a bit more fruity.

00:22:21.080 And it sort of makes the point.

00:22:22.660 But basically every single response is this

00:22:25.860 in a different way.

00:22:27.500 So I'll read this to you.

00:22:28.720 So he's saying,

00:22:29.940 absolute effing morons,

00:22:31.160 spouting lies and crackhead economic theories

00:22:33.360 that will eff over his supporters.

00:22:35.120 F Congress, utterly absent.

00:22:37.020 It's their authority that he's upsurping.

00:22:39.000 Cowards.

00:22:39.780 When America implodes,

00:22:41.080 make sure everyone remembers the lunatic

00:22:43.120 and his magga lemmings.

00:22:44.560 Unthinking cretins deserve to be coming down on a pike.

00:22:48.480 Tariffs are taxes paid by Americans.

00:22:51.000 Four exclamation marks after the word Americans there.

00:22:54.860 Tariffs are paid by Americans

00:22:56.200 when they buy imported products.

00:22:58.300 Virtually everything is imported,

00:23:01.260 in whole or in part.

00:23:02.740 Everything you buy is going up.

00:23:04.780 Right.

00:23:05.740 Now to you, sir,

00:23:07.420 in order to understand the problem here,

00:23:10.280 all you need to do is read your own comment.

00:23:14.180 The bit that I've highlighted there.

00:23:16.880 Virtually everything is imported.

00:23:20.360 That's what Trump's trying to tackle.

00:23:22.580 That's the whole point of this,

00:23:23.540 is to tackle that.

00:23:24.500 That is the point.

00:23:26.200 Yeah.

00:23:26.540 He actually wrote it down himself.

00:23:28.600 Virtually everything is imported.

00:23:30.500 He wrote it himself

00:23:31.600 and he can't see the problem.

00:23:34.380 All he can see

00:23:35.240 is that next time he goes to buy a flat screen TV

00:23:37.660 or a polo shirt,

00:23:39.000 he's going to cost a bit more.

00:23:42.080 Cannot get his head around.

00:23:43.060 I didn't want to do too much reaction to it

00:23:46.180 because it's just annoying.

00:23:47.600 I will do one from Mike Pence,

00:23:52.180 who is an absolute snake, obviously.

00:23:55.700 But he's also an incompetent,

00:23:58.140 short-sighted, foolish snake.

00:24:00.020 Because here he is going on about tariffs

00:24:02.320 and about how it's going to put the cost

00:24:04.260 for American families up $3,500 per year.

00:24:09.560 So he's basically saying,

00:24:10.260 yeah, your imported Chinese...

00:24:13.060 tat is going to get more expensive.

00:24:15.920 Yeah, it goes up $3,000,

00:24:17.720 $3,500 per year

00:24:18.980 if you insist on buying foreign things.

00:24:21.540 Yes.

00:24:23.000 That's quite a big caveat.

00:24:24.220 You don't have to do that.

00:24:25.680 Correct me if I'm wrong,

00:24:26.660 but one of the things that made North America

00:24:28.800 such a powerful country,

00:24:30.860 the USA,

00:24:31.680 in the first place,

00:24:32.740 was the fact that it was so resource-rich

00:24:36.560 and there was so much manufacturing being done,

00:24:39.980 particularly in the northeast of the country,

00:24:42.340 in like the New England...

00:24:43.540 Oh, they were a powerhouse at one time.

00:24:44.740 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:45.140 It turned them into an economic powerhouse

00:24:47.420 that were almost entirely able to sustain themselves

00:24:50.440 and that's what made them so powerful.

00:24:52.420 Yeah.

00:24:53.240 You kind of need to go back to my first link,

00:24:55.080 the Brokonomics,

00:24:55.680 the Empire of Dollars,

00:24:56.580 to kind of see how that unraveled,

00:24:58.020 which I can't get into here,

00:24:59.020 but you're absolutely right.

00:25:00.500 We've talked about that before.

00:25:01.360 There's only a few countries in the world

00:25:02.720 that are capable of being entirely self-sufficient

00:25:06.140 in terms of resources

00:25:07.760 and the United States is one of them.

00:25:09.140 Yeah.

00:25:09.720 So there's absolutely no reason

00:25:11.760 why they can't become a powerhouse of manufacturing again.

00:25:16.860 There's no reason.

00:25:17.620 All it takes is a bit of leadership

00:25:18.840 and somebody willing to destroy the US economy,

00:25:23.320 short term,

00:25:23.940 by which I basically mean bullshit,

00:25:25.660 women's work and...

00:25:26.540 And say to that last...

00:25:27.780 Chinese tat.

00:25:28.600 And say to that last guy you just had up there

00:25:31.040 going effing morons,

00:25:32.600 say to people like that,

00:25:33.500 just be quiet, child.

00:25:35.140 Yeah, yeah, shut up.

00:25:36.360 Well, and also to Mike Pence

00:25:38.180 because I don't think we've ripped into him enough either.

00:25:40.840 So let me tell you about Mike.

00:25:41.860 Mike cannot see the big picture.

00:25:44.140 Mike cannot...

00:25:44.700 I mean, you two got it straight away,

00:25:47.120 which is really good

00:25:48.460 because honestly,

00:25:49.520 I've watched so much reaction

00:25:51.100 and none of them got it the way

00:25:52.700 that you two got it straight away.

00:25:54.100 Well, I think people like Mike Pence

00:25:56.220 and a lot of the other people

00:25:57.340 aren't necessarily looking at it

00:25:58.680 from a national perspective.

00:25:59.760 They're looking at it

00:26:00.480 from a globalist perspective.

00:26:02.140 And from a globalist perspective,

00:26:03.520 this will hamper free trade.

00:26:05.840 This will re-nationalize

00:26:08.600 the American economy,

00:26:09.800 which is a bad thing

00:26:10.780 as far as that can...

00:26:11.560 I keep seeing this clip

00:26:12.800 get popped up on my timeline

00:26:14.520 every so often

00:26:15.200 where some anti-MAGA Republican

00:26:17.880 will say,

00:26:18.560 now this is real conservatism

00:26:20.360 and it's a clip

00:26:21.440 of George W. Bush

00:26:22.780 after he was done in office

00:26:25.300 where he's saying,

00:26:26.660 oh, there's three big isms

00:26:28.680 that have plagued America

00:26:30.020 in the past.

00:26:30.900 One of them is isolationism.

00:26:32.620 The other is protectionism.

00:26:34.700 And the final one

00:26:35.760 is nativism.

00:26:37.000 And it's like...

00:26:37.880 All of those is Americans

00:26:38.760 looking after Americans.

00:26:39.820 Yeah, that was what made America

00:26:41.820 great in the 19th century

00:26:43.640 was all of those things,

00:26:45.240 not getting involved

00:26:45.960 in foreign wars

00:26:46.840 so they could build themselves up

00:26:48.260 without constant disruption,

00:26:49.820 not having to compete

00:26:51.000 with foreign manufacturers

00:26:52.160 for everything

00:26:52.880 because they could just

00:26:53.420 build everything themselves.

00:26:54.840 And obviously nativism,

00:26:56.420 they had lots of massive amounts

00:27:00.380 of immigration

00:27:00.940 at separate points,

00:27:02.860 but towards the middle

00:27:04.320 of the 20th century

00:27:05.340 before 65's Immigration Act,

00:27:07.160 they were starting

00:27:07.900 to have a kind of ethnogenesis

00:27:10.020 with the American mindset.

00:27:11.920 And then that completely

00:27:12.820 got thrown aside

00:27:13.640 when they went,

00:27:14.160 let's open it up

00:27:14.760 to third world immigration.

00:27:15.960 I've just seen a comment

00:27:17.200 scroll past in the chat

00:27:18.220 that I like,

00:27:18.640 so I'm going to read it now.

00:27:19.800 He's saying,

00:27:20.540 our economy is a cancer

00:27:21.640 and Trump just ordered chemo.

00:27:23.520 Yeah.

00:27:24.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:27:25.000 What happens when you

00:27:25.640 start getting chemo?

00:27:26.500 You get sicker.

00:27:27.960 And then you get better.

00:27:29.720 But is it not just funny

00:27:30.940 that some of these people

00:27:31.920 will go back to

00:27:32.960 George W. Bush,

00:27:35.040 war criminal,

00:27:36.680 and say like,

00:27:38.240 ah, now,

00:27:39.020 can't we return

00:27:39.840 to the glory days

00:27:41.160 of American conservatism

00:27:42.800 when he just did everything

00:27:44.500 against the best intentions

00:27:46.300 of the American people?

00:27:48.480 Yes.

00:27:48.780 I just want to rip Mike

00:27:50.540 a little bit more

00:27:51.480 because, you know,

00:27:52.480 he's saying that

00:27:53.140 the average family

00:27:53.820 is going to be

00:27:54.220 3,500 a year worse off.

00:27:56.320 People like Mike

00:27:57.440 in Mike circles

00:27:58.700 are probably going to be

00:27:59.460 paying a lot less

00:28:00.180 and a lot more

00:28:01.240 than 3,500

00:28:02.120 because they buy

00:28:03.500 a lot of imported stuff

00:28:04.620 that they don't need.

00:28:06.000 I'll tell you

00:28:06.280 who's not going to be

00:28:06.920 paying more.

00:28:07.860 It's going to be

00:28:08.200 people like his mates.

00:28:09.080 Now, I'm not building up

00:28:09.920 Oliver Antony

00:28:10.680 as an individual

00:28:12.060 because...

00:28:13.700 It's a funny steal

00:28:14.560 you chose there.

00:28:15.480 There's obvious issues there.

00:28:16.900 I'm talking about

00:28:17.740 the kind of people

00:28:18.660 who lives in the kind of town

00:28:19.960 he comes from,

00:28:21.020 the kind of people

00:28:21.700 that he went to school with.

00:28:22.940 They're not going to be

00:28:23.660 paying an extra

00:28:24.120 three and a half grand

00:28:24.860 because they don't have

00:28:25.720 a bloody job

00:28:26.460 and they're not

00:28:27.900 spending all their time

00:28:29.200 buying flat screen TVs

00:28:30.500 from China.

00:28:32.120 What they do

00:28:33.060 is they want a job

00:28:33.740 and they want a house

00:28:34.600 and guys that he went

00:28:36.900 to school with

00:28:37.520 are not the sort of guys

00:28:39.100 who are going to get

00:28:39.640 a job like those girls

00:28:40.720 where they're going to be

00:28:41.600 a product manager

00:28:42.520 for a fashion company

00:28:43.780 and they're going to...

00:28:45.020 Whatever.

00:28:45.600 You know, the bullshit.

00:28:46.220 The vocal fry bullshit

00:28:47.200 that goes along with that

00:28:48.100 where they basically

00:28:48.820 just recolor a t-shirt

00:28:50.000 and stick a logo on it

00:28:51.080 and then get it produced

00:28:52.160 in Vietnam

00:28:52.720 by some guy who's

00:28:53.580 working for a dollar a day

00:28:54.720 and then ships it over.

00:28:56.200 That isn't real work

00:28:57.280 but the men of America

00:28:58.960 that have been passed over

00:28:59.700 they need to do real work.

00:29:01.300 Right.

00:29:01.400 Now...

00:29:02.720 I was just going to say

00:29:03.220 real quick

00:29:03.520 the other reason

00:29:04.060 why I think a lot

00:29:04.820 of the commentary class

00:29:07.020 are just failing

00:29:09.720 to get the point

00:29:10.520 failing to understand

00:29:12.180 what Trump's doing

00:29:13.080 are just arguing

00:29:15.520 in bad faith

00:29:16.080 because they're sort of

00:29:16.780 never Trumpers

00:29:17.380 or they've got TDS

00:29:18.300 or whatever.

00:29:19.740 Or rhinos.

00:29:20.320 Yeah, right.

00:29:21.640 For one reason or another

00:29:22.860 they want to see Trump fail

00:29:24.400 want to see Trump lose

00:29:25.940 and so they just make

00:29:27.320 any argument they can

00:29:28.700 against what he's doing.

00:29:31.260 But you are right

00:29:32.200 the whole extra

00:29:33.100 three and a half grand

00:29:34.000 well for those places

00:29:35.340 that have been

00:29:36.120 completely disenfranchised

00:29:37.440 where all of the industry

00:29:38.420 left 30 plus years ago

00:29:40.240 and is now just a ghost town

00:29:41.800 well if now

00:29:42.400 a factory opens up there

00:29:44.280 if somebody decides

00:29:46.380 to offshore their

00:29:47.480 manufacture back to America

00:29:49.260 well I mean

00:29:50.480 he's got a job now

00:29:51.400 so he's earning money

00:29:53.400 and actually has money

00:29:55.000 to spend

00:29:55.680 which is not a

00:29:56.660 three and a half grand

00:29:57.640 before I move on

00:29:58.720 to my final point

00:29:59.480 I'll just

00:29:59.760 Josie in the chat

00:30:00.920 said Danny

00:30:01.260 are you making fun

00:30:01.760 of Appalachian?

00:30:02.280 No I'm not

00:30:02.740 I'm saying that those guys

00:30:03.520 should have jobs

00:30:04.100 and that this is necessary

00:30:05.280 that's my entire point

00:30:06.240 I'm not making fun

00:30:07.140 I'm saying that

00:30:07.700 it should be

00:30:08.040 changed

00:30:09.020 but right

00:30:09.700 okay finally

00:30:10.260 let me explain

00:30:11.000 why this is

00:30:12.180 more than just

00:30:14.000 policy

00:30:14.800 not politics

00:30:15.700 which is my point

00:30:16.680 throughout

00:30:16.940 I'm telling you

00:30:17.920 why is this a

00:30:18.820 absolutely hyper real

00:30:20.660 why this is a necessity

00:30:21.880 why this must happen

00:30:22.740 I'm going to tell you

00:30:23.260 about a report

00:30:24.900 put together by

00:30:26.580 US General Mark Milley

00:30:29.000 on my favourite

00:30:30.320 yeah

00:30:30.820 so even he

00:30:32.240 recognised

00:30:32.840 the problem here

00:30:33.840 in 2018

00:30:34.620 there was a

00:30:35.320 Pentagon led report

00:30:36.680 that basically said

00:30:38.340 where they identified

00:30:39.240 hundreds of instances

00:30:40.600 where the US military

00:30:41.740 is reliant on China

00:30:43.520 for essential materials

00:30:45.300 including microelectrics

00:30:47.180 rare earth minerals

00:30:48.120 advanced electronics

00:30:49.600 and ammunition

00:30:50.240 so we have a

00:30:51.940 the US military

00:30:53.240 is dependent on China

00:30:54.520 at hundreds of

00:30:56.040 different breakpoints

00:30:56.800 this is why

00:30:59.380 manufacturing needs

00:31:00.300 to come back

00:31:00.840 now I'm running

00:31:01.520 a bit long on time

00:31:02.440 but I am going to

00:31:03.760 have to play this video

00:31:04.860 of Pete Hegseff

00:31:06.300 explaining the extent

00:31:08.160 of the problem

00:31:08.600 and if you cannot

00:31:09.700 see why Trump

00:31:11.100 is doing what he's

00:31:11.840 doing after listening

00:31:12.620 to this video

00:31:13.280 then God help you

00:31:14.020 the Pentagon

00:31:15.820 is in the book

00:31:16.720 the exact amount

00:31:17.180 of years

00:31:17.400 but in the past

00:31:18.420 X number of years

00:31:19.040 10, 12, 15

00:31:19.660 the Pentagon

00:31:20.580 has a perfect record

00:31:21.280 in all of its war games

00:31:22.520 against China

00:31:23.200 we lose every time

00:31:24.720 inside the Pentagon

00:31:25.880 war games

00:31:26.200 we know what our

00:31:27.420 real game

00:31:27.740 you see

00:31:28.180 we didn't even get

00:31:28.700 to this part

00:31:28.960 of the war on warriors

00:31:29.360 I mean the military

00:31:29.940 industrial conflicts

00:31:30.440 the way we procure

00:31:30.940 weapons systems

00:31:31.460 we're always

00:31:32.940 the way our system

00:31:33.920 works

00:31:34.100 the way our bureaucratic

00:31:34.720 system works

00:31:35.060 where the speed

00:31:35.440 of weapons procurement

00:31:35.960 works

00:31:36.240 we're always

00:31:36.880 a decade behind

00:31:38.020 in fighting the last war

00:31:38.860 whereas China

00:31:39.740 we have

00:31:40.840 what did Rumsfeld say

00:31:42.340 you go to the war

00:31:42.640 the army

00:31:42.840 we have

00:31:43.060 China's building

00:31:44.660 an army

00:31:45.080 specifically dedicated

00:31:46.100 to defeating

00:31:46.480 the United States

00:31:46.820 of America

00:31:47.100 that is their

00:31:47.740 strategic outset

00:31:48.300 take hypersonic

00:31:48.760 missiles

00:31:49.020 so if our whole

00:31:49.900 power projection

00:31:51.460 platform is

00:31:52.020 aircraft carriers

00:31:52.480 and the ability

00:31:53.020 to project power

00:31:53.680 that way

00:31:54.000 strategically

00:31:54.280 around the globe

00:31:54.680 yeah we have

00:31:54.960 a nuclear triad

00:31:55.420 and all that

00:31:55.720 but a big part

00:31:56.160 of it

00:31:56.340 and if 15

00:31:57.640 hypersonic missiles

00:31:58.160 can take out

00:31:58.520 our 10 aircraft

00:31:58.940 carriers in the

00:31:59.260 first 20 minutes

00:31:59.680 of a conflict

00:32:00.100 what does that look

00:32:01.540 like

00:32:01.740 I mean

00:32:02.780 and when they're

00:32:04.060 if they've already

00:32:04.560 got us by the balls

00:32:04.980 economically

00:32:05.340 which you pointed out

00:32:06.380 very well

00:32:06.760 with our grid

00:32:07.540 culturally

00:32:08.320 there's plenty of

00:32:08.720 elite capture

00:32:09.040 going on

00:32:09.480 around the globe

00:32:10.260 I mean

00:32:11.100 and then

00:32:11.560 microchips

00:32:12.220 and everything

00:32:12.460 why do they want

00:32:12.760 Taiwan

00:32:12.960 they want to

00:32:13.260 corner the market

00:32:13.540 completely

00:32:13.940 on the technological

00:32:15.060 future

00:32:15.440 we can't even

00:32:15.940 drive our cars

00:32:16.380 without the stuff

00:32:16.780 we need out of

00:32:17.220 China these days

00:32:17.740 I mean

00:32:18.400 they have a full

00:32:19.560 spectrum

00:32:19.940 long term

00:32:21.420 view of not just

00:32:22.400 regional but global

00:32:22.880 domination

00:32:23.280 and we are

00:32:23.880 we have our heads

00:32:24.460 off our asses

00:32:25.120 yeah

00:32:25.340 there you go

00:32:27.740 Trump has shocked

00:32:29.220 the world with tariffs

00:32:30.000 and that's a good thing

00:32:31.540 right

00:32:32.280 let's do a couple

00:32:33.340 of quick comments

00:32:34.580 because people

00:32:35.320 have been very generous

00:32:35.920 lord of nothing

00:32:37.260 says

00:32:37.600 everything lined up

00:32:39.280 I just got

00:32:39.720 islander 2

00:32:40.400 I have them all

00:32:41.620 and by tomorrow's

00:32:42.580 podcast I'll be in

00:32:43.420 England from the USA

00:32:44.560 heading for a wedding

00:32:45.700 oh I hope you're going

00:32:46.600 to one of the sensible

00:32:47.340 bits

00:32:47.740 hopefully you are

00:32:51.080 Alex says

00:32:52.540 greeting gentlemen

00:32:53.240 when

00:32:53.760 where's my sharp

00:32:55.000 review coming

00:32:55.700 you should be doing

00:32:57.120 we should do a sharp

00:32:58.220 I don't know

00:32:59.500 how we do it

00:33:00.260 I thought you

00:33:00.600 I thought you'd do

00:33:01.240 one yearly sharp

00:33:02.360 no no no

00:33:03.360 the soldier chap

00:33:05.220 yes

00:33:05.940 well

00:33:07.100 she can go on

00:33:08.820 history bro

00:33:09.460 on YouTube

00:33:10.500 oh you've done a run

00:33:11.660 and the first

00:33:13.080 three or is it

00:33:13.920 four novels

00:33:14.740 I've done a long

00:33:15.980 form review of

00:33:16.740 an hour an hour

00:33:17.340 and a half a piece

00:33:18.060 oh okay

00:33:18.720 I've done

00:33:19.100 Sharpe's Tiger

00:33:19.940 the first three

00:33:22.440 I can't even remember

00:33:24.060 it was a long time

00:33:24.740 ago now

00:33:25.100 I mean to do them all

00:33:26.020 Sharpe's Tiger

00:33:27.500 is the first one

00:33:28.100 anyway

00:33:28.440 I've only watched

00:33:29.100 the TV

00:33:29.380 so it's not

00:33:29.720 up to Sharpe's

00:33:30.880 Trafalgar I've

00:33:31.580 done

00:33:31.800 incredibly

00:33:33.240 put him in

00:33:34.060 the battle of

00:33:34.580 Trafalgar as well

00:33:35.420 against all the odds

00:33:36.300 anyway

00:33:36.600 there's some there

00:33:37.720 already for you

00:33:38.400 on history bro

00:33:39.040 check them out

00:33:39.740 yeah very good

00:33:40.360 but we will do

00:33:40.980 something here

00:33:41.460 I'd like to see

00:33:41.960 yes

00:33:42.140 yeah they'll be

00:33:42.540 fun

00:33:42.720 I just need to

00:33:43.260 get around to

00:33:43.660 watching them

00:33:44.260 and the engaged

00:33:45.420 few says

00:33:45.780 Oliver Anthony

00:33:46.420 is not from

00:33:47.760 Appalachia

00:33:48.160 he's from the

00:33:49.020 Tidewater region

00:33:50.400 of Virginia

00:33:50.900 oh okay

00:33:51.540 he talks about

00:33:53.520 he sings about

00:33:55.360 Richmond doesn't he

00:33:56.240 Richmond Virginia

00:33:57.000 the rich men

00:33:58.760 from Richmond

00:33:59.440 I think was the

00:34:00.180 big song that he

00:34:01.040 did

00:34:01.300 okay sorry

00:34:02.140 I may have got

00:34:02.780 my geography

00:34:03.460 slightly wrong

00:34:04.120 on the US

00:34:04.520 but okay

00:34:04.960 it's still the

00:34:05.460 poor rural

00:34:06.620 sort of once

00:34:09.180 industrial areas

00:34:11.840 yeah

00:34:12.160 are we alright

00:34:15.180 Samson

00:34:15.620 make sure you get

00:34:16.920 Dan's good side

00:34:17.640 there was a lot of

00:34:18.480 fiddling on the

00:34:19.500 cameras today

00:34:20.060 Samson has

00:34:24.580 suffered a bout

00:34:25.760 of paranoia

00:34:26.540 partway through

00:34:27.320 the podcast

00:34:27.820 but it's my

00:34:29.260 camera getting

00:34:29.840 all of the

00:34:30.260 attention

00:34:30.600 he's not

00:34:31.100 capturing me

00:34:31.780 as beautifully

00:34:32.300 as I should

00:34:32.740 be framed

00:34:33.200 apparently

00:34:33.640 let's go with

00:34:34.940 that

00:34:35.180 let's go with

00:34:36.840 that Dan

00:34:37.280 and with that

00:34:39.080 there's been

00:34:39.980 developments in

00:34:41.240 the campaign

00:34:42.040 for assisted

00:34:42.940 dying in the

00:34:44.200 UK

00:34:44.500 so back in

00:34:45.900 November

00:34:46.620 MPs voted

00:34:48.080 in support

00:34:49.040 of a proposal

00:34:49.800 to legalise

00:34:50.520 assisted dying

00:34:51.200 in England

00:34:51.820 and Wales

00:34:52.420 and that

00:34:53.640 has been led

00:34:54.440 by Kim

00:34:55.240 Ledbetter

00:34:56.240 is that how

00:34:56.940 you pronounce

00:34:57.320 the name

00:34:57.660 Ledbetter

00:34:58.360 or Ledbetter

00:34:59.300 whatever

00:35:00.760 and that

00:35:02.320 means that

00:35:02.980 now it's

00:35:03.480 going through

00:35:03.960 amendments

00:35:04.480 and trying to

00:35:05.400 get it through

00:35:05.940 so that they

00:35:06.680 can make sure

00:35:07.300 that that gets

00:35:07.960 pushed through

00:35:08.500 I think it's

00:35:09.060 been delayed

00:35:09.740 where the

00:35:10.560 changes that

00:35:11.040 they're going

00:35:11.340 to be making

00:35:11.800 for it should

00:35:12.500 have been

00:35:12.780 implemented

00:35:13.220 within two

00:35:13.920 years

00:35:14.400 but now

00:35:15.280 because of

00:35:15.960 the way

00:35:16.260 that they're

00:35:16.540 adjusting the

00:35:17.100 process for

00:35:17.860 how people

00:35:18.860 will be

00:35:19.220 assessed for

00:35:19.940 eligibility of

00:35:20.780 assisted dying

00:35:21.420 it may take

00:35:22.360 four years

00:35:23.360 so if

00:35:24.020 everything goes

00:35:24.920 ahead with

00:35:25.400 this we can

00:35:26.120 expect assisted

00:35:27.320 dying to be

00:35:28.060 a reality in

00:35:29.240 England and

00:35:30.080 Wales by

00:35:31.040 2029

00:35:31.820 I've got really

00:35:32.600 mixed feelings

00:35:33.200 on this

00:35:33.660 well that's the

00:35:34.320 thing isn't it

00:35:34.980 I'm not going

00:35:35.820 to try and

00:35:36.340 create moral

00:35:36.960 panic over

00:35:37.700 this I'm not

00:35:38.180 going to try

00:35:38.600 and be

00:35:39.080 sensationalist

00:35:40.260 about it

00:35:40.700 but I do

00:35:41.200 think there

00:35:41.620 are some

00:35:42.020 concerns about

00:35:42.860 introducing this

00:35:43.840 kind of

00:35:44.200 legislation to

00:35:45.480 England and

00:35:46.080 Wales particularly

00:35:46.840 with the NHS

00:35:47.820 particularly with

00:35:48.960 how it's gone

00:35:49.600 and been used

00:35:50.360 in Canada as

00:35:51.400 basically a

00:35:52.000 cost saving

00:35:52.620 measure but at

00:35:53.500 the same time

00:35:54.540 I have to be

00:35:55.560 honest I can

00:35:56.200 see from a

00:35:57.260 certain perspective

00:35:57.920 if somebody is

00:35:59.260 dying if they're

00:36:00.500 terminally ill

00:36:01.280 suffering in

00:36:02.420 constant pain

00:36:03.240 basically have no

00:36:04.200 agency over their

00:36:05.140 lives the allowing

00:36:06.580 them to have some

00:36:07.380 agency of when to

00:36:08.800 end their life with

00:36:09.500 a greater amount of

00:36:10.260 dignity makes sense

00:36:11.580 to me I don't know

00:36:13.040 about you chaps

00:36:13.940 I mean that's

00:36:14.460 pretty much where I

00:36:15.040 come down on this

00:36:15.720 so I mean if

00:36:17.280 you look at it

00:36:18.460 from one angle

00:36:19.180 where people are

00:36:20.280 in considerable

00:36:20.880 pain and it's

00:36:22.260 their choice they

00:36:23.000 want it their

00:36:23.500 family agree I'm

00:36:24.840 quite happy with

00:36:25.680 the family making

00:36:26.680 that decision the

00:36:27.700 individual making

00:36:28.300 that decision what

00:36:29.580 horrifies me is the

00:36:31.260 state having this

00:36:32.160 power because

00:36:33.780 exactly like you

00:36:35.020 say they will just

00:36:36.120 make it a

00:36:36.800 bureaucratic process

00:36:37.880 and once they've

00:36:39.180 built the process

00:36:39.780 they will try and

00:36:40.500 shovel as many

00:36:41.020 people through it as

00:36:41.680 possible just like

00:36:42.820 Canada

00:36:43.060 interestingly enough

00:36:44.300 as we go further

00:36:45.480 Wes Streeting

00:36:46.600 himself the health

00:36:48.100 secretary has

00:36:49.280 voiced those same

00:36:50.440 concerns in the

00:36:52.080 lead up to the

00:36:52.900 vote that went on

00:36:53.900 in November in

00:36:54.680 October he

00:36:55.740 explicitly stated

00:36:56.820 that he was going

00:36:57.600 to be voting

00:36:58.100 against it and

00:36:59.960 that he was

00:37:00.700 concerned that

00:37:01.500 having this process

00:37:02.800 in place could

00:37:04.620 incite some

00:37:06.360 pressure in some

00:37:07.480 people because we

00:37:08.440 have the cult of

00:37:09.140 the NHS worship

00:37:10.480 the almighty NHS

00:37:11.700 we need to do

00:37:12.560 whatever we can to

00:37:13.460 save money for the

00:37:14.300 NHS to make sure

00:37:15.240 that it works

00:37:15.720 perfectly and make

00:37:17.480 sure that we as

00:37:18.720 mere mortals are

00:37:19.900 not burdening the

00:37:20.800 NHS he said that

00:37:22.300 it might lead to a

00:37:22.920 slippery slope where

00:37:23.700 people who feel like

00:37:24.700 they're maybe in

00:37:25.220 palliative care or

00:37:26.720 putting too much

00:37:27.480 strain may decide to

00:37:29.140 go with assisted

00:37:30.420 dying just so that

00:37:31.820 they're not burdening

00:37:32.600 the NHS more than

00:37:33.660 they otherwise might

00:37:34.560 want to so that's

00:37:36.060 interesting coming from

00:37:37.020 Streeting who is a

00:37:38.720 Blairite being assisted

00:37:40.840 and advised by

00:37:41.900 Blairites because it

00:37:42.980 suggests that perhaps

00:37:44.160 the Blairite camp or

00:37:45.640 parts of the Blairite

00:37:46.760 camp factions within

00:37:48.160 it might not be

00:37:49.440 entirely in favour of

00:37:51.580 these proposals but

00:37:52.740 the vote went through

00:37:54.400 anyway so it's too

00:37:55.760 late for that if we

00:37:56.820 were still in the age

00:37:58.020 of the local family

00:37:59.460 doctor who's known

00:38:00.300 you your whole life

00:38:01.180 I'd be so much more

00:38:02.380 comfortable with this

00:38:03.180 but of course you know

00:38:04.560 once this is breached

00:38:05.760 it will not stop at

00:38:07.660 whatever point it

00:38:08.440 comes in at

00:38:09.000 well at the moment

00:38:10.080 if it is approved

00:38:11.480 the bill is only set

00:38:13.120 to allow terminally

00:38:14.080 ill adults expected

00:38:15.240 to die within six

00:38:16.660 months to seek help

00:38:18.180 to end their own

00:38:18.900 life which sounds

00:38:20.160 very reasonable but

00:38:21.180 you can see in the

00:38:22.620 case of Canada or

00:38:24.140 in somewhere like

00:38:24.720 Switzerland how those

00:38:25.840 kinds of those kinds

00:38:27.340 of limitations could

00:38:28.320 slowly be stripped

00:38:29.060 away and it can be

00:38:29.840 expanded like in

00:38:30.940 Switzerland for instance

00:38:31.780 I think I've forgotten

00:38:33.240 her name she was the

00:38:34.120 woman who decided to

00:38:35.720 dress up as a man for

00:38:36.880 a year and wrote a

00:38:37.840 book is it about it

00:38:39.680 we did the book club

00:38:40.740 on her I've forgotten

00:38:42.040 her name but as a

00:38:43.360 result of her

00:38:44.140 depression she decided

00:38:45.520 in her mid-50s to

00:38:46.720 end her own life and

00:38:48.100 went to Switzerland

00:38:49.140 specifically to get

00:38:50.340 assisted dying and was

00:38:51.460 granted it I can't

00:38:52.700 remember that's just

00:38:53.160 because of the fact

00:38:53.800 yeah she's dead now

00:38:54.880 I can't remember her

00:38:55.740 name but it was a

00:38:56.800 great book she spent

00:38:58.320 whatever it was she

00:38:59.020 spent a year as a man

00:39:00.340 and found it so

00:39:01.660 stressful and so

00:39:03.140 challenging to her

00:39:04.100 feminist views that

00:39:05.520 actually men don't have

00:39:06.480 it easier they have it

00:39:07.320 so much worse

00:39:08.140 basically she ended up

00:39:09.640 having to kill herself

00:39:10.440 yeah she had lasting

00:39:11.360 trauma as a result

00:39:13.200 being a man for a year

00:39:14.320 and ended up killing

00:39:15.200 herself having no

00:39:16.540 sympathy from anyone

00:39:17.440 ever she she thought

00:39:18.900 that men had it easy

00:39:20.180 and when she realized

00:39:21.140 that men have it so

00:39:22.220 much harder than

00:39:23.000 women she couldn't

00:39:24.360 deal with the

00:39:24.660 cognitive dissonance

00:39:25.800 well again the book's

00:39:27.900 well worth reading

00:39:28.820 self-made man is the

00:39:30.440 name of the book

00:39:31.180 just google that for me

00:39:32.540 so that we can get the

00:39:33.300 name up because I

00:39:34.160 like there's a big

00:39:34.720 difference between a

00:39:36.240 young pretty woman and

00:39:38.360 non-pretty or older

00:39:39.920 women and she was a

00:39:41.060 lesbian and a bit of a

00:39:42.620 bit of a butch lesbian

00:39:43.460 which is why she was

00:39:44.280 able to pass as a man

00:39:45.980 for a year

00:39:46.540 Nora Vincent

00:39:47.460 Nora Vincent thank you

00:39:48.900 very much so I worry

00:39:51.120 about it being expanded

00:39:52.360 to the point where you

00:39:53.200 can just be like well

00:39:54.040 I've got depression

00:39:54.800 kill me

00:39:55.340 I think in Canada it's

00:39:56.880 something like if you

00:39:57.520 ring your local doctor

00:39:58.580 you just need to press

00:39:59.480 five or something and

00:40:00.440 it sort of they send a

00:40:01.660 bot out

00:40:02.080 I think Twitter memes

00:40:03.320 might have it that way

00:40:04.760 but it is slightly

00:40:05.720 different and anyway so

00:40:07.440 they point out here you

00:40:09.840 know Canada Australia

00:40:11.060 New Zealand Spain and

00:40:13.080 Austria have already

00:40:14.200 introduced assisted dying

00:40:15.640 laws since 2015 so the

00:40:17.100 amendments that they're

00:40:17.900 going for is that there

00:40:19.720 was a required high court

00:40:21.420 approval for assisted

00:40:22.540 death so you needed to

00:40:23.560 go to a high court judge

00:40:25.240 who would look over your

00:40:26.820 case and decide whether

00:40:28.980 you were eligible for it

00:40:30.080 there were a lot of

00:40:30.900 complaints from this

00:40:31.680 saying why is a high

00:40:33.480 court judge uniquely

00:40:35.040 qualified to be able to

00:40:36.380 determine whether you are

00:40:37.720 able to kill yourself

00:40:38.880 with assistance from the

00:40:40.580 state and high court

00:40:42.180 judges are already busy

00:40:43.200 enough so this will just

00:40:44.080 create a huge backlog

00:40:45.120 well that's kind of the

00:40:46.100 reason isn't it is because

00:40:47.040 they're busy so only the

00:40:48.240 determined get through

00:40:49.800 well potentially but

00:40:51.000 that's now going to be

00:40:52.180 replaced under these

00:40:53.040 amendments with oversight

00:40:54.820 from a panel of legal

00:40:56.080 medical and social care

00:40:57.300 experts and that voluntary

00:41:01.200 assisted dying commission

00:41:03.860 so it's got its own

00:41:05.340 commission now will be

00:41:06.600 led by a high court judge

00:41:08.160 or senior former judge so

00:41:09.560 there will still be a judge

00:41:10.580 involved in this but

00:41:11.820 there'll also be a lot of

00:41:12.640 other people overlooking it

00:41:14.280 as well so whether that

00:41:16.160 will improve or make the

00:41:18.560 process worse I can't really

00:41:20.920 say they also say it will

00:41:22.640 oversee all cases and report

00:41:24.040 each year on the number of

00:41:25.060 applications and how many

00:41:26.120 were approved or rejected

00:41:27.140 polling commissioned by

00:41:28.700 Humanists UK an unbiased

00:41:31.320 organization I'm sure show

00:41:33.100 that more than two-thirds

00:41:34.460 67% of the British public

00:41:36.460 support the amendments to

00:41:37.600 replace high court approval

00:41:38.580 with a panel of legal

00:41:39.480 medical and social care

00:41:40.480 professionals and I'm sure

00:41:42.080 that Humanists UK didn't

00:41:44.280 have selective choice of the

00:41:45.760 people that they were

00:41:46.400 polling and I'm absolutely

00:41:47.720 sure that everybody who was

00:41:49.100 polled absolutely understood

00:41:50.560 all of the implications of

00:41:51.860 these changes as well but

00:41:53.820 either way so they I saw

00:41:55.900 this earlier today which

00:41:57.500 was on the BBC website this

00:41:59.340 was the most recent thing I

00:42:00.980 saw regarding it which is

00:42:02.420 why I decided to cover this

00:42:03.440 which was that it had a big

00:42:05.240 article talking about this

00:42:07.540 particular gentleman Wayne

00:42:09.100 Hawkins a Californian man where

00:42:11.500 in California they have

00:42:12.580 assisted dying legislation who

00:42:15.640 they wanted to chronicle his

00:42:17.600 death so that they could have

00:42:18.600 this article they also made this

00:42:20.900 short documentary about it

00:42:22.740 that's about 36 minutes I've

00:42:24.020 not watched it because I've

00:42:25.000 not got a BBC account but I

00:42:27.440 found it very interesting the

00:42:28.620 process that it was going

00:42:29.880 through here because he was

00:42:31.840 basically a guy he had heart

00:42:33.940 failure terminally ill he had

00:42:36.720 prostate cancer liver failure

00:42:38.700 and sepsis so he basically

00:42:40.200 couldn't move he was in

00:42:41.220 constant agony and couldn't

00:42:42.400 leave the house constantly

00:42:43.740 being looked after by his

00:42:44.800 family so you look at that and

00:42:46.100 you say well yeah I mean he was

00:42:48.040 going to die soon anyway this is a

00:42:50.780 kind of fair example of where

00:42:53.060 somebody could be eligible he was

00:42:54.540 80 years old yeah so that's

00:42:57.220 that that's fair he invited BBC

00:42:58.800 News to witness his death

00:43:00.540 shortly after they got there his

00:43:02.740 doctor Donnie Moore arrived he

00:43:04.480 had got to know the family over

00:43:05.520 the past few weeks under

00:43:07.000 California law he was the

00:43:08.400 attending physician physician who

00:43:10.380 must confirm in addition to a

00:43:11.580 second doctor that Wayne was

00:43:12.800 eligible for aid in dying so this

00:43:14.520 was a two-doctor system and his

00:43:16.920 role is part physician part

00:43:18.200 counselor and he'd been involved in

00:43:20.600 150 assisted deaths before I

00:43:23.420 don't know at what point as a

00:43:24.720 doctor you begin to feel like an

00:43:26.140 executioner rather than a

00:43:27.920 health care administrator but

00:43:29.280 okay the dosage of drugs that

00:43:31.560 also if Harold Shipman ever gets

00:43:33.060 out of jail he could probably take

00:43:34.180 that job yeah I know is Harold

00:43:36.280 Shipman still alive or is he dead

00:43:38.040 I was gonna say I thought I thought

00:43:40.340 he was dead by now so they gave him

00:43:42.080 basically just a dosage of drugs

00:43:43.680 that was hundreds of times higher

00:43:45.140 than their use in regular health

00:43:46.820 care is guaranteed to be a

00:43:48.440 lethal dose and they also let him

00:43:51.620 keep the drugs himself at the house

00:43:54.600 kind of a strange thing to allow to

00:43:56.540 just lie about some domestic

00:43:58.120 household apparently in the

00:44:00.340 Westminster laws it would be the

00:44:02.380 doctor who has to bring them to your

00:44:04.480 house when it's time for you to go

00:44:06.380 which makes a bit more sense to me

00:44:08.340 but it's America it's the wild west

00:44:10.220 who knows what's going on over there

00:44:11.600 crazy crazy place and then he just

00:44:14.160 has the drink falls asleep and about

00:44:17.080 an hour or two later he's dead so so

00:44:20.340 this was an example that they wanted

00:44:22.000 to give of a nice case where he's

00:44:24.900 there with his family it's the perfect

00:44:27.000 example right that this isn't how the

00:44:30.600 NHS would do it no no the NHS is is

00:44:34.560 shit it would it would be African

00:44:38.400 mammy who can't speak English properly

00:44:41.820 injecting you with the wrong serum and

00:44:45.040 then paralyzing you and you don't die

00:44:47.600 and you suffer even more what was that

00:44:49.520 Jamaican woman who couldn't tell the

00:44:51.400 difference between the words breathing

00:44:53.660 and bleeding yeah that was at the the

00:44:56.340 care home where I think two also

00:44:58.580 foreign care workers had allowed

00:45:01.540 somebody to get caught in a stair lift I

00:45:04.800 believe the story was tried to call up

00:45:07.180 the NHS the the the services to get an

00:45:11.980 ambulance the woman on the other side

00:45:13.780 of the phone also wasn't English and

00:45:16.500 they couldn't communicate properly my

00:45:18.300 concern and the person at the care

00:45:20.220 concern is at some point if we do it

00:45:22.080 for the NHS is somebody's going to make

00:45:23.880 some innocuous comment which is going to

00:45:26.180 be misinterpreted by the foreign nurse

00:45:28.020 and the foreign doctor and you're going

00:45:31.080 to end up well getting whacked

00:45:33.800 basically by the NHS yeah also if it was

00:45:37.460 something that did it get expanded out

00:45:39.080 as it's attempting to do in Canada

00:45:40.780 where that you're able to or like

00:45:42.620 already happens in Switzerland where

00:45:44.280 it's basically I'm depressed kill me

00:45:45.780 well who's that going to be targeted

00:45:49.160 for you as the young Englishman you've

00:45:52.380 been completely disenfranchised no hope

00:45:55.200 for the future everything is terrible

00:45:57.420 you can't get a job you've got no

00:45:59.040 family women don't want to know you

00:46:01.320 because you don't have the opportunity

00:46:02.340 to build up a financial base that could

00:46:04.020 attract women and then the state just

00:46:06.680 turns around and says well you could just

00:46:08.120 kill yourself but the state will be more

00:46:09.980 than eager to potentially hand them a

00:46:11.760 pill which makes you go to sleep

00:46:13.240 forever yeah but handed out free at

00:46:15.320 school along with your viewing of

00:46:16.680 adolescence well yeah obviously you get

00:46:19.740 to you get the choice do you watch

00:46:21.560 adolescence or do you take assisted

00:46:23.400 dying this will be the choice for the

00:46:25.360 school children of the future again as I

00:46:28.400 mentioned interestingly enough Wes

00:46:30.100 Streeting himself was not in favor of

00:46:32.280 this decided to vote against it he said

00:46:34.180 explicitly that you touch on the

00:46:36.480 slippery slope argument which is the

00:46:37.860 potential for cost savings if people

00:46:40.020 choose to opt for assisted dying rather

00:46:41.640 than stay in the care of the care

00:46:42.700 providers of or the NHS I think it's a

00:46:45.540 chilling slippery slope argument I

00:46:47.260 hate to people for people to opt for

00:46:49.280 assisted dying because they think they're

00:46:50.620 saving someone somewhere money whether

00:46:52.600 that's relatives or the NHS I think

00:46:54.820 that's one of the issues MPs are

00:46:56.160 wrestling with as they decide how to

00:46:57.780 cast their vote and this is where the

00:46:59.040 big problem comes in in the era of

00:47:01.380 lock yourself indoors for two years to

00:47:04.660 save the NHS or grandma's gonna get it

00:47:07.480 yeah I don't trust the state to have

00:47:10.400 anywhere near this level of power I

00:47:13.080 don't trust the states to be able to

00:47:14.740 administer this properly and in the

00:47:17.120 interests of saving grandmother we all

00:47:19.660 stayed in door for two years but now

00:47:22.020 it's flipping around and it'll be in the

00:47:24.540 interests of allowing grandmother

00:47:26.060 dignity maybe you should tell her that

00:47:29.700 you're a bit of a burden aren't you

00:47:31.040 sweetheart you know I know we love you

00:47:32.920 and all but you cost a bit and we

00:47:35.100 already you know we already locked

00:47:36.380 ourselves away for two years for the

00:47:37.860 NHS for your benefit I think it's time

00:47:40.220 yeah the right to die becomes the duty

00:47:42.180 to die somebody in the comments has

00:47:43.780 just said that Odo from Deep Space Nine

00:47:45.880 went out through assisted dying I've not

00:47:48.980 watched Deep Space Nine nerd and then

00:47:54.040 there's other arguments again from

00:47:55.660 interested parties so this is the

00:47:58.460 honorary secretary of the association

00:48:00.380 for palliative medicine said that the

00:48:03.460 palliative care sector is basically

00:48:05.640 entirely reliant on charitable donations

00:48:07.800 and doesn't get enough funding anyway

00:48:09.360 so that's one argument and he said that

00:48:11.620 laws are more than rules they send

00:48:13.660 social messages and this is something I

00:48:15.760 think is absolutely true the social

00:48:17.620 message being sent here is that

00:48:18.880 essentially assisted dying removing

00:48:20.920 yourself from the picture is what the

00:48:22.640 state wants and leaving palliative care

00:48:24.820 to charity the NHS is supposed to be

00:48:26.620 cradle to grave not cradle to very old

00:48:29.260 the dubious I mean I mean that's a

00:48:31.520 distinction without a difference at this

00:48:33.060 point really isn't it because I mean if

00:48:35.100 it's assisted dying you're still going to

00:48:36.400 the grave the dubious cost-saving

00:48:38.200 benefits of assisted suicide have been

00:48:40.080 discussed in various jurisdictions such

00:48:42.340 as the notorious 2020 Canadian report

00:48:44.460 of the cost estimate for Bill C-7

00:48:46.460 medical assistance in dying made which

00:48:49.180 estimated a 149 million dollar saving

00:48:51.900 in health care cost from euthanasia and

00:48:53.940 assisted suicide in Canada in 2021

00:48:56.180 turns out there was a similar UK report

00:48:59.140 in 2020 called counting the cost of

00:49:02.480 denying assisted dying that's a very

00:49:04.460 interesting framing of the in the first

00:49:06.700 place you're denying them the chance

00:49:08.540 for assisted dying Scottish academics

00:49:10.760 David Shaw and Alec Morton proposed a

00:49:13.280 worrying argument that legalizing assisted

00:49:15.020 dying and use euthanasia in the UK would

00:49:18.220 provide significant financial savings

00:49:20.540 well into the millions and the cost

00:49:22.640 saving argument was also proposed in

00:49:24.420 Guernsey in 2023 government accounts

00:49:26.940 revealed that Guernsey had a 135

00:49:29.320 million pound deficit towards the end of

00:49:32.020 August last year a deputy in the states

00:49:34.040 of Guernsey suggested that savings could

00:49:35.940 be made from ending the lives of Guernsey

00:49:37.660 men through assisted suicide he said many

00:49:40.420 people don't want to keep on living and I

00:49:42.600 think we need to put a figure on that

00:49:44.220 worrying and that is the cold heartless

00:49:48.960 bureaucratic mindset in action there folks

00:49:52.820 because again if you give these

00:49:55.260 bureaucrats the power of encouraging

00:49:59.380 perhaps some cost savings on the side

00:50:02.760 that is the way that they will see you

00:50:04.600 they will see you as an expendable unit

00:50:06.680 and they will mask themselves in the

00:50:08.760 humanist arguments for dignity and death

00:50:11.820 and really from a humanistic standpoint

00:50:14.300 from a liberal humanist standpoint if you

00:50:17.740 say well these people are suffering

00:50:19.520 because they're in the last six months

00:50:20.920 of their lives so we should allow them

00:50:22.700 the choice to kill themselves from a

00:50:25.480 humanist standpoint where does the

00:50:27.900 suffering argument end well this 16

00:50:30.700 year old he's got no future he's got no

00:50:33.640 chance he's an incel he might start

00:50:35.640 watching Andrew Tate sometime soon he's

00:50:38.280 suffering so who are we to deny him an

00:50:40.940 end to the suffering like from it from a

00:50:44.060 secular liberal humanist point what like

00:50:47.800 what's the argument against that from a

00:50:49.440 utilitarian idea which is exactly how

00:50:51.840 these people see the entire world

00:50:53.440 everything is a cost-benefit spreadsheet

00:50:55.360 to them where does that end and that

00:50:59.040 would mean that we'd probably end up

00:51:00.340 quite like Canada where now assisted

00:51:02.640 dying is 1 in 20 Canadian deaths 5% of

00:51:06.520 all deaths in Canada come from the maid

00:51:09.400 program and people are starting to just go

00:51:12.880 and ask if they can be killed for non-medical

00:51:15.020 reasons including isolation and

00:51:18.020 homelessness so these are people who aren't

00:51:20.140 actually eligible God people who aren't

00:51:22.280 actually eligible for it for medical

00:51:24.100 reasons they're getting denied it but

00:51:25.900 because the offer is there for people who

00:51:27.940 are eligible they just need to lie slightly

00:51:30.100 better well that they're just saying

00:51:32.140 well why can't you kill me state please

00:51:35.680 kill me state my life is terrible and

00:51:38.200 awful kill me and again from the humanist

00:51:41.320 perspective where where when does the

00:51:43.960 Canadian government turn around and say

00:51:45.520 you know what these people have a point I

00:51:48.040 don't understand why Canadians don't want

00:51:49.960 to be invaded

00:51:50.800 I mean most of them aren't really Canadian

00:51:55.520 anymore are they anyway they already are

00:51:57.820 being invaded there's loads of concerns

00:52:00.120 as you've pointed out loads of concerns

00:52:03.120 like bureaucrats and the state and money

00:52:06.300 play a role guilt or all sorts of things

00:52:08.580 play a role but loads of people loads and

00:52:12.380 loads of people end their life horribly in

00:52:16.380 a hospital bed like loads of people if you

00:52:19.640 don't die of an accident or you're not

00:52:21.680 unfortunate enough to get a terminal

00:52:23.300 disease when you're young then yeah

00:52:24.960 you're a really old person just waiting

00:52:27.440 to die in a hospital bed

00:52:30.080 I've seen it happen a number of times

00:52:31.760 one in 20 maybe that's not even as

00:52:36.220 crazy as it first seems it's like that's

00:52:38.080 just all the old people that would have

00:52:40.100 just had to lie in a bed for three

00:52:41.900 months turning into a scapula that's

00:52:43.960 why they used to call the flu old man's

00:52:45.940 friend because it just helped push you

00:52:47.960 over the edge if you were that close

00:52:49.160 so I mean I for one will probably I would

00:52:54.380 probably go for assisted dying if and when

00:52:56.640 I got into that situation I don't want

00:52:58.620 my last three or four months or whatever

00:53:00.180 to be just sitting in a bed getting bed

00:53:03.780 sores in complete despair and my family

00:53:07.580 watching me die me watching them watching

00:53:10.200 me die

00:53:10.740 while I turn into a skeleton eventually have

00:53:14.220 multiple organ failure just because yeah I'd

00:53:17.800 rather just give me a drink or an injection

00:53:19.420 and get it over with I'm still kind of

00:53:21.100 haunted by the film Constantine what what

00:53:23.180 if the Catholics are right oh what and you

00:53:26.080 you take the drink and then the devil

00:53:28.440 shows up and takes you straight to hell

00:53:30.020 yeah St Peter at the pearly gate said you

00:53:32.380 didn't commit suicide did you yeah I did

00:53:35.520 eternity in purgatory is the best I can do

00:53:39.280 you're lucky you're not going straight to

00:53:40.540 hell

00:53:40.740 well again I completely understand where

00:53:44.660 you're coming from there Bo and I think

00:53:46.400 that's what makes it complex but I think

00:53:48.200 that again we have more reasons to worry

00:53:50.320 given that

00:53:50.940 yeah there's still concerns

00:53:52.260 the advertisements that we saw a few

00:53:54.880 months ago when the vote was coming up

00:53:56.960 in Parliament were not

00:53:58.960 here's grandmother lying around waiting to

00:54:03.060 die in bed let's end her suffering it was

00:54:06.640 here I am so excited to kill myself

00:54:09.640 young healthy looking woman you know

00:54:13.880 she's not hooked up to an IV she's not

00:54:16.400 dying in bed already she's just like

00:54:18.920 can't wait to die he's doing a star jump

00:54:22.480 it was a very I mean that was the

00:54:25.000 campaign for dignity and dying who are

00:54:27.400 the people who have been big supporters

00:54:28.880 of this along with humanists UK very

00:54:31.500 strange choice of demographic to target

00:54:34.700 for this kind of service well at least

00:54:37.180 it was a white woman not a white man

00:54:38.440 like you would expect but oh yeah that

00:54:40.980 makes me feel so much better about it

00:54:43.380 soon it'll just be pictures of Jamie

00:54:45.080 from adolescence yes and him looking all

00:54:48.080 sad and it's like at least I get to

00:54:49.940 choose dignity yeah so obviously it's a

00:54:52.880 very complex situation a very complex

00:54:55.020 subject there's a lot of differing

00:54:58.080 perspectives you can take in morality

00:54:59.640 but again I think the concern is

00:55:02.620 warranted with how the state might go

00:55:04.940 about this let's go with some of the

00:55:07.060 rumble rants that have been sent in I

00:55:08.620 will be back in just a moment he's

00:55:10.660 going he's going for his yearly shot

00:55:12.940 he's already hit it okay so the engaged

00:55:20.360 few says as Rush Limbaugh pointed out

00:55:24.040 during the jet are you back again Samson

00:55:26.200 I will not ignore you oh Dan oh Dan

00:55:30.580 was just going to blow his nose okay

00:55:32.380 now now he's going for his shit all

00:55:34.420 right as Rush Limbaugh I thought you

00:55:40.020 were better Dan I guess not as Rush

00:55:46.100 Limbaugh pointed out during the Jack

00:55:47.680 Kevorkian controversy how long before

00:55:49.880 the right to die becomes the duty to die

00:55:51.660 as was said in the segment not just a

00:55:54.920 string says somehow I can see assisted

00:55:57.180 dying being strongly suggested for

00:55:58.840 incels what white men the government

00:56:00.880 doesn't like that the government is so

00:56:02.560 afraid of giving the ass and the

00:56:04.240 adolescence propaganda film state should

00:56:06.540 preserve life I think people should do

00:56:11.620 the best to preserve their own lives and

00:56:13.260 stay healthy dragon lady Chris Renee

00:56:16.140 Orbejonoise Odo instead oh yeah this is

00:56:20.140 like you pointed out Odo died by

00:56:22.100 assisted suicide this still makes me sad

00:56:23.940 rage quit ninja says there was a case

00:56:27.920 where US death penalty used the wrong

00:56:29.900 drug or dose and it took the inmates two

00:56:32.200 plus hours of agonizing death I'm not

00:56:34.660 going to feel sorry for an inmate who's

00:56:36.500 on death row I'm sorry but that will be

00:56:39.740 African Mammy administering it to Gran

00:56:42.380 by the way Samson's trying to get me to

00:56:44.940 lower my chair because I'm presumably

00:56:46.680 taking up too much of the of the frame

00:56:48.660 your what are the comments then am I to

00:56:50.880 am I too high that I don't think I can

00:56:53.820 be high enough Alex Adamson 55 says so we

00:56:57.540 import incompetent foreigners to

00:56:58.980 provide taxes for old people because of

00:57:00.840 the lack of young people then freeze the

00:57:02.560 old people to death and make the young

00:57:03.960 people we need more of killed

00:57:05.400 themselves yeah yeah it's a circular

00:57:08.700 economy it just works Wesley 1924

00:57:11.620 Canada's model of assisted suicide is

00:57:13.220 enough to make Bill Gates blush and

00:57:15.400 that's a random name says at first I was

00:57:16.880 50 50 on being annexed Canadian here but

00:57:19.340 after watching Dan's phenomenal

00:57:20.540 brokonomics with mr modad I want us

00:57:22.720 annexed now

00:57:23.960 yes that was a good one that one

00:57:26.100 interesting well last segment tell us

00:57:28.820 about the secrets of the pyramid yes

00:57:30.960 yes was it the Martians or the people

00:57:33.940 from Jupiter it's it's interdimensional

00:57:36.940 lizards no no okay so it's been in the

00:57:42.440 news cycle recently that there's been

00:57:44.240 some new finds some new archaeological

00:57:45.860 evidence and data has come through about

00:57:48.100 things on the Giza plateau I've seen the

00:57:50.320 pictures and they look extraordinary

00:57:53.280 right so straight off the bat should I

00:57:55.820 just give you my take it's almost

00:57:58.060 certainly nonsense okay that's my take

00:58:00.680 but I might there's a small chance I'm

00:58:04.320 wrong but I don't think so so so much

00:58:07.160 more interesting it's real though yeah

00:58:08.680 well it's like aliens I want it to be

00:58:10.960 true yeah I want it to be true so much

00:58:13.000 that I'm even more careful and

00:58:15.000 skeptical if you know what I mean if

00:58:16.360 that makes sense because I know deep

00:58:18.260 down I want it to be true like the

00:58:19.880 tic-tac incident and aliens we've talked

00:58:21.520 about yeah I want it to be true so much

00:58:23.420 that I have to be very careful and

00:58:25.420 police myself even more than sorry the

00:58:28.040 tic-tac incident what's that commander

00:58:30.540 fravor and the tic-tac there's magic

00:58:34.640 huge flying tic-tacs going all over the

00:58:36.760 place apparently what tic-tacs or tic-tacs

00:58:39.020 tic-tac it was bloody spaceships have you

00:58:43.580 not heard of the tic-tac we're talking

00:58:44.820 about Egypt and not that but just real

00:58:48.440 quick to say that back in what was it

00:58:50.240 like 2014 or 15 or 16 some US Navy

00:58:53.340 fast jets pilots saw definitely saw and

00:58:56.600 recorded on multiple instruments a tic-tac

00:58:59.700 shaped craft out over the Pacific that

00:59:03.360 was doing maneuvers and pulling speeds

00:59:06.540 that's not possible

00:59:07.540 oh fair play you don't follow the news

00:59:09.480 Harry it was I don't follow space and

00:59:11.820 UFO news it was on Joe Rogan and

00:59:14.320 testified in front of Senate they

00:59:16.180 literally had congressional inquiries

00:59:18.120 about this for about three months it was

00:59:19.740 top of the news cycle and I don't care

00:59:21.780 about space stuff right I know perhaps

00:59:24.600 I know but I feel your rage laser eyes

00:59:28.880 on me now though it's not chips and

00:59:30.560 gravy or heavy metal so you don't care

00:59:32.040 about it or wrestling or wrestling come on

00:59:35.100 no no okay so the pyramids back to the

00:59:37.340 pyramids um so yeah the claims I've got

00:59:40.180 so many different images just to click

00:59:41.800 through the first few links I've got

00:59:43.920 just to show that it's sort of it broke

00:59:46.240 through into mainstream mainstream media all

00:59:50.440 sorts of places we're talking about it

00:59:52.380 click click through just click through is

00:59:55.040 quite quickly a lot of them were just

00:59:56.280 saying that there's a giant city a vast

00:59:59.320 city is the quote underground city that

01:00:02.760 would be awesome vast underground city but

01:00:05.700 wait wait wait no I know but but experts

01:00:07.620 say it's fake news yeah well is that just

01:00:11.860 what they want you to think it almost

01:00:13.800 certainly is but it might not be well

01:00:15.740 mostly I'm gonna put I'm gonna put it

01:00:17.440 sort of not I'm sort of 97 to 99% sure

01:00:20.560 it's it's nonsense like even Piers Morgan

01:00:23.460 got in on it um got a couple of uh real

01:00:27.580 archaeologists and a couple of the soy

01:00:29.680 I need I need you on that panel Bo doing

01:00:38.460 the eyebrow to even things out a little

01:00:40.620 bit they need to get annoyed eyebrow just

01:00:44.100 the quizzical the quizzical eyebrow

01:00:45.880 obviously even yeah even Piers Morgan so

01:00:50.480 it made a it made a uh uh just play this

01:00:53.220 uh play that short um it's just one of

01:00:57.220 the various various interpretations is this

01:00:59.180 saying that there are gigantic columns

01:01:00.740 holding the pyramids up underground yeah

01:01:03.040 and a giant box shaped structures at the

01:01:05.520 bottom of them they nailed it down because

01:01:07.240 they were worried it was going to blow

01:01:08.040 away or something 100 well first of all

01:01:10.120 one of the listen winds were a lot

01:01:11.360 stronger 6 000 years ago I've got to say

01:01:13.920 if if that is true that is by far and

01:01:17.740 away the most impressive thing in all of

01:01:19.740 humanity bar none well straight away one

01:01:22.900 of the arguments against it and for me

01:01:24.800 it's a very strong argument is just a

01:01:27.660 sanity check it's just like whoa whoa

01:01:30.320 whoa whoa wait yeah wait just one

01:01:32.520 second because it's meant to be like

01:01:33.820 twice as tall as the Statue of Liberty

01:01:35.860 or something uh these these columns that

01:01:38.720 they say are in there with the spiral

01:01:40.200 glass going around them thousands of

01:01:42.820 years ago people somehow managed to dig

01:01:44.720 into the ground if we think it was

01:01:46.860 people yeah like a yeah right it was the

01:01:49.580 Anunnaki I mean lizards I mean

01:01:52.020 Martians I mean wait what little gray

01:01:54.500 man if that is true I mean it must be

01:01:58.000 aliens if it's true uh so yeah just the

01:02:02.500 first argument against it it's just a

01:02:04.320 straight up sanity check and that's what

01:02:05.940 a lot of the arguments I've watched

01:02:07.680 loads and loads of videos about this

01:02:09.040 read loads of the articles and already

01:02:11.680 know a fair amount about the Giza

01:02:14.160 plateau about the great pyramids um so

01:02:17.800 just the first thing is that it's just

01:02:20.060 unlikely we'll see we'll see if they

01:02:22.760 actually do some some real hard digging

01:02:26.360 style archaeology to or do other forms

01:02:28.940 of um other forms of geophys to find out

01:02:32.680 what is actually down there and it's

01:02:34.400 proven to be true fair enough I'd accept

01:02:36.240 the first thing is to say that it's just

01:02:41.740 not likely to be the case it's just

01:02:44.240 extremely extremely unlikely it's sort of

01:02:46.380 it's sort of impossible I mean the actual

01:02:48.960 laws of physics aren't broken like making a

01:02:52.160 space elevator or going to Venus like the

01:02:54.700 laws of physics aren't broken it's just not

01:02:58.240 really feasible sort of thing right um so

01:03:01.340 anyway so okay on the left there you can see

01:03:03.740 the sort of the raw data what they used

01:03:06.620 was a thing called SAR um was it is this

01:03:09.740 the same thing that checks for soil

01:03:11.660 disturbances that they were using in

01:03:13.500 Canada to suggest that there were those

01:03:15.160 mass graves of indigenous children that

01:03:17.820 the Catholic schools had found I remember

01:03:20.020 that story but I don't remember the

01:03:21.460 science they were using for that I think

01:03:23.300 they use some kind of like send radio

01:03:25.200 waves to the ground or something to come

01:03:27.060 back with digital images showing if

01:03:28.520 there's been disturbances in the ground

01:03:30.060 right yeah I mean I'm not sure so this

01:03:32.620 thing this this and it's a cutting edge

01:03:34.740 system it's called synthetic aperture

01:03:37.340 radar Doppler tomography or just SAR for

01:03:41.020 short SAR um and it's using satellites to

01:03:45.120 bounce I think it's like a version of sonar

01:03:48.140 they're using sound to bounce um from a

01:03:52.440 satellite yeah yeah yeah right or you can

01:03:54.820 do it from an aeroplane as well uh you

01:03:56.920 but why don't you just do it from the

01:03:57.960 ground uh so you can cover vast distances

01:04:01.240 because they did the whole geyser plateau

01:04:02.520 for example right um so it's to do with

01:04:05.180 sound and then you do it a different

01:04:06.480 time so you do it a second time second

01:04:07.960 sweep um another time and compare things

01:04:11.860 and the thing is it doesn't penetrate the

01:04:13.660 ground really or it might do a few

01:04:15.360 centimeters or a meter but it doesn't

01:04:17.240 really penetrate the ground it's not

01:04:18.360 like geophys you ever seen time team

01:04:20.540 where there's a guy walking oh yeah

01:04:21.880 machine that's actual geophys where it's

01:04:24.340 literally shooting things down into the

01:04:27.320 ground and seeing what comes back so it's

01:04:28.640 not that and so anyway the science is

01:04:31.080 really quite fairly cutting edge a lot of

01:04:33.960 people say uh it's not you know these

01:04:38.400 three scientists italian scientists they

01:04:41.160 published a sort of a press release and

01:04:44.300 did a sort of an amateur press conference

01:04:47.160 but it's not been sort of peer reviewed

01:04:49.180 oh i think i think it might have been the

01:04:51.220 same thing as in canada because they did a

01:04:53.140 series of ground penetrating radar surveys

01:04:55.500 so it might it might be the same thing

01:04:57.260 which means that if it's just like there's

01:04:59.460 not radar

01:05:00.280 oh okay

01:05:01.600 oh sorry it is radar

01:05:03.360 i was going to say

01:05:03.900 genetic aperture radar doctor tomography

01:05:06.080 you said it was radar

01:05:07.160 i think it's a type

01:05:08.360 because because it's a type of radar

01:05:10.520 there's a lot of interpretation

01:05:13.080 right

01:05:13.820 goes into this

01:05:14.560 okay so that's the next thing

01:05:15.640 can i can i have two quick questions

01:05:17.820 right first one is how on earth did they

01:05:20.600 get from that raw data to that also why

01:05:24.280 does that make it look hang on a moment

01:05:25.920 harry

01:05:26.420 somebody who isn't you is talking just about

01:05:28.700 i know that disturbs you dan

01:05:30.360 right so how do they get from that to

01:05:33.080 that and secondly if that is true if

01:05:35.840 that is what it is

01:05:37.140 yeah

01:05:37.460 what is it meant to be

01:05:39.260 right

01:05:40.060 i mean it looks like a massive oil rig

01:05:42.640 because they make it look like it's

01:05:43.760 coming out of the water

01:05:44.700 yeah

01:05:45.220 so so it was the pyramid a gigantic oil

01:05:48.140 rig is that what it was and then the

01:05:50.820 desert just dried up

01:05:52.520 what was the theory what are the

01:05:53.860 people who are saying it's that

01:05:55.360 what are they saying is

01:05:56.800 oh okay so they're saying that uh

01:05:58.880 under at the bottom at the bottom of

01:06:00.480 those spiral structures are meant to

01:06:02.960 be two massive chambers 80 by 80 and

01:06:06.400 they're saying that in those chambers

01:06:07.760 are like this like the lost records

01:06:10.060 the lost records like a lost library

01:06:12.540 type deal and they'll be all

01:06:14.860 well they built a bloody library two

01:06:17.080 statue of liberties down

01:06:18.400 also again

01:06:20.300 all of records type

01:06:21.620 is that like their porn stash or

01:06:23.240 something they really didn't want

01:06:24.460 anyone to find it for the next 4 000

01:06:26.240 years

01:06:26.640 also the raw data on the left

01:06:29.600 some schizo looks at that and says

01:06:32.920 we found the ancient libraries

01:06:34.860 yeah

01:06:35.340 finally we can discover what they've

01:06:37.620 been hiding from us this whole time

01:06:39.420 no

01:06:40.000 so that's the thing so that's sort of

01:06:41.880 one of the main arguments saying

01:06:43.540 uh look your data isn't really good

01:06:47.680 enough or clear enough and people

01:06:49.480 the first thing people said skeptics

01:06:51.080 anyway or real archaeologists

01:06:52.740 mainstream archaeologists are saying

01:06:53.760 that exact question okay fair enough

01:06:55.920 that's an interesting image there but

01:06:57.920 how have you got from that to that

01:06:59.280 and the three italian scientists

01:07:02.840 haven't answered that

01:07:03.980 so so here's an alternative

01:07:05.480 explanation

01:07:06.140 it's just natural fault lines

01:07:08.580 oh yeah

01:07:09.280 yeah well we we know that underneath

01:07:12.100 the plateau the geyser plateau

01:07:13.600 it's absolutely riddled with natural

01:07:15.800 features aquifers

01:07:16.980 you know underground uh rivers

01:07:19.440 essentially underground reservoirs

01:07:21.240 there's all sorts of geology going on

01:07:23.740 and we know this for a fact and have

01:07:25.020 done for a long time under the geyser

01:07:26.200 plateau

01:07:26.460 uh so it could just be sound or noise

01:07:30.240 sorry noise on the radar showing up

01:07:32.880 these things

01:07:33.440 so look that's one i think they're

01:07:35.320 saying look there's massive columns

01:07:37.000 going down there on the middle image

01:07:38.560 keep clicking through fairly slowly

01:07:40.240 in the next few images

01:07:41.020 um

01:07:42.140 yeah so they're showing

01:07:44.960 does feel like a stretch

01:07:45.940 pause on that one for a moment

01:07:48.020 sending wells

01:07:49.200 yeah that's like the spiral

01:07:50.440 underground room very large

01:07:52.720 oh i see it i see it

01:07:54.020 don't you don't you

01:07:55.200 they also claim these italian scientists

01:07:57.340 that uh the ai came to these

01:07:59.300 conclusions for them

01:08:00.340 um right and the argument

01:08:04.020 we've programmed the first schizo ai

01:08:06.940 which version of chat gpt did they use

01:08:11.280 because the early versions

01:08:12.640 hallucinated quite a bit

01:08:14.260 yeah

01:08:14.520 and i'll get into it at the end

01:08:16.960 and these these are just some uh

01:08:18.120 fun uh artists

01:08:20.360 ideas

01:08:22.120 that have come out

01:08:23.760 these are photographs

01:08:25.280 we've unearthed the photographs

01:08:27.840 after we broke into the library

01:08:29.680 um

01:08:31.140 so yeah they're fun anyway aren't they

01:08:33.460 um

01:08:34.140 i'd like it to be true

01:08:35.420 because it'd be really cool

01:08:36.740 yeah

01:08:37.100 i mean there may well be

01:08:39.340 uh you know hidden or

01:08:42.180 hitherto undiscovered chambers

01:08:43.880 uh under the geyser plateau

01:08:46.140 they're probably just

01:08:46.820 wait

01:08:47.320 they're probably just not

01:08:48.380 um

01:08:49.420 it's nothing like what

01:08:50.880 shows there

01:08:51.600 i mean maybe there is a secret library

01:08:53.480 try to get to the bottom of this

01:08:55.060 because i was quite interested

01:08:55.920 i i like quite quickly was like

01:08:57.640 you know just like my spidey sense

01:08:59.840 i just i just

01:09:00.420 i just smell bullshit

01:09:01.620 it's just doesn't feel right

01:09:02.840 it doesn't feel good

01:09:03.360 yeah like just just do a sanity check

01:09:05.420 it's like

01:09:05.740 not likely

01:09:06.660 but nonetheless still very interested in it

01:09:08.720 and haven't completely ruled it out

01:09:10.660 because i don't know

01:09:11.360 you know i don't know

01:09:12.760 so their data might be right in the end

01:09:15.380 who knows

01:09:15.920 so i was trying to get to the bottom of it

01:09:17.500 and it turns out that the three uh italian scientists

01:09:20.580 have done this

01:09:21.400 they did like a three four hour press conference on it

01:09:25.560 but in italian

01:09:27.700 so metatron

01:09:29.500 who is italian

01:09:30.700 so out of all the videos that i've watched

01:09:32.920 which were loads

01:09:33.860 quite a few anyway

01:09:34.540 uh the best one

01:09:36.260 probably the very best one was metatron's one

01:09:38.580 he's done more than one video on it

01:09:39.580 i think he's done two

01:09:40.180 but this one

01:09:41.240 was the best

01:09:42.600 because he speaks italian

01:09:44.040 he's a native italian speaker

01:09:45.260 so he did um

01:09:47.980 a video

01:09:48.900 it's like over a half hour

01:09:50.160 40 minutes long or something

01:09:51.200 talking

01:09:51.900 breaking down

01:09:53.500 not just what was said in this

01:09:55.560 press conference

01:09:56.440 but also

01:09:56.960 sort of

01:09:57.680 the idiosyncrasies of the words they used

01:09:59.980 it's really good detail i thought from metatron

01:10:02.200 um

01:10:03.040 and

01:10:03.880 and i also trust metatron

01:10:06.640 i think he's a very fair-minded

01:10:08.320 reasonable

01:10:09.640 reasonable

01:10:10.640 historian

01:10:11.860 he's always been very objective in all of the videos

01:10:15.020 he's on the level

01:10:15.880 i consider him on the level

01:10:17.320 i've never ever thought

01:10:18.760 uh

01:10:19.520 oh i don't trust

01:10:20.300 i don't i don't trust metatron

01:10:22.140 arguing in good faith here

01:10:23.620 i've never ever felt that about him

01:10:25.660 so if he says something

01:10:26.940 i'm prepared to take his word for it

01:10:28.560 if he says

01:10:28.940 this is what these italians are saying

01:10:30.500 and this is

01:10:30.920 the intonation of their voice

01:10:32.900 and this is the

01:10:33.680 individual words they're using

01:10:35.140 i'm happy to trust him

01:10:36.260 now so if you

01:10:37.540 if you do want to trust metatron

01:10:39.020 uh

01:10:39.740 these guys are a bit woo

01:10:41.020 they're a bit woo

01:10:42.680 they're a bit sort of crystal skulls

01:10:44.620 a bit sort of

01:10:45.960 yeah

01:10:47.460 they're not very professional

01:10:48.760 yeah i got that idea

01:10:50.060 he's he says that a number of times

01:10:52.280 he says this is really unprofessional

01:10:53.500 stuff

01:10:54.360 and on the real real key bits

01:10:56.480 the real key bits

01:10:57.300 where you're like

01:10:57.880 now that's the crux there

01:10:59.080 why is that that

01:10:59.940 how have you come to that conclusion

01:11:01.500 apparently they just don't tell you

01:11:03.640 they just they just move on to the next thing

01:11:06.000 um

01:11:07.520 and there's a bunch of numerology stuff

01:11:10.280 and i'm really not into numerology

01:11:12.260 i'm really not into it

01:11:14.440 um

01:11:15.360 and they all are

01:11:16.320 there's like sort of magic numbers

01:11:18.160 that are significant for whatever reason

01:11:19.760 and if he times it by a four

01:11:21.380 for no apparent reason

01:11:22.380 then it means this

01:11:23.100 so

01:11:23.700 yeah all that crap

01:11:24.700 yeah all that crap

01:11:25.440 reverse engineer the answer

01:11:26.940 you're already after

01:11:27.680 yeah

01:11:28.100 yeah yeah yeah

01:11:28.900 and anyway

01:11:29.820 so so there's that

01:11:30.880 so there's this bit of data

01:11:32.140 showing something that's not exactly clear

01:11:34.240 some say it's a vast underground city

01:11:36.440 and others say

01:11:37.380 it's probably noise

01:11:38.840 or just

01:11:39.840 or just nonsense

01:11:40.800 or just flat out nonsense

01:11:42.300 one way or another

01:11:43.240 but we'll see

01:11:43.940 maybe not

01:11:44.460 maybe there are these giant spiral structures

01:11:47.100 with huge rooms at the bottom

01:11:48.640 that are actually a hall of

01:11:49.680 a hall of records

01:11:51.580 have you tried looking at the results

01:11:53.400 while smoking meth

01:11:54.960 and taking lsd

01:11:56.020 not yet

01:11:57.080 that is my evening

01:11:58.420 okay

01:11:59.120 all right

01:11:59.520 get back to us tomorrow

01:12:01.420 and we'll see if your opinions changed

01:12:03.960 i would recommend ayahuasca in these circumstances

01:12:06.240 a speedball

01:12:08.480 what's a speedball

01:12:09.740 what is that

01:12:10.120 i think that's cocaine and heroin

01:12:11.800 no that's what that's what you want before going on the podcast

01:12:15.140 a completely different class of drug

01:12:16.720 why do you think dan's always so full of energy

01:12:19.340 i do not recommend any of our viewers to do anything like that please

01:12:23.040 no no no

01:12:23.420 come on

01:12:23.680 let's be serious

01:12:24.540 and so one of the last things i wanted to just uh

01:12:26.980 end on is to say that

01:12:28.480 um

01:12:29.020 there's enough mystery

01:12:30.420 mystery and enchantment

01:12:32.020 about the

01:12:33.760 this particularly the great pyramid

01:12:35.260 uh already

01:12:36.720 you don't need to make up more things i don't think

01:12:39.180 it's already absolutely

01:12:40.860 uh fascinating

01:12:42.640 and filled with

01:12:44.300 with wonder

01:12:45.300 and

01:12:45.640 and unanswered questions

01:12:46.940 already

01:12:47.840 so i mean

01:12:49.540 for example we now know

01:12:50.640 because there's another project a bit more

01:12:52.260 uh

01:12:53.340 serious

01:12:53.900 called uh

01:12:55.320 the scan

01:12:56.480 uh pyramid project

01:12:58.180 and they're using

01:12:59.340 i can't remember what it is

01:13:00.200 whether it's like

01:13:00.740 something to do with muons

01:13:02.180 or

01:13:02.640 some other form of scanning

01:13:04.620 which is

01:13:05.500 better than this

01:13:06.960 this sar one

01:13:08.200 uh

01:13:09.220 and um

01:13:10.120 they have shown that there's a

01:13:11.600 just there

01:13:12.620 a hidden chamber

01:13:13.540 seems almost certain

01:13:15.100 that there's a big

01:13:15.760 void

01:13:16.600 directly above the grand gallery

01:13:18.240 um

01:13:18.900 um

01:13:19.820 now why the egyptian

01:13:21.680 authorities don't immediately

01:13:23.600 investigate that

01:13:24.720 immediately do a bit of drilling

01:13:26.180 and a

01:13:27.260 a spy hole camera thing

01:13:28.760 why don't

01:13:29.080 why they don't do that

01:13:29.840 i don't know

01:13:30.300 um

01:13:31.180 in in one of the valley of the

01:13:33.160 queen's chambers

01:13:34.460 they know there's a false wall

01:13:35.840 one of the walls is a false wall

01:13:37.400 why not

01:13:38.140 sort of immediately excavate it

01:13:39.640 i don't know

01:13:39.940 but they

01:13:40.200 they don't

01:13:40.880 seem to

01:13:41.420 um

01:13:42.440 i mean until we got

01:13:43.220 got there

01:13:43.740 like a lot of it was still

01:13:45.060 buried wasn't it

01:13:46.300 well

01:13:46.700 not the

01:13:47.260 not the pyramids

01:13:48.060 but the

01:13:48.700 yeah

01:13:48.880 i know what you mean

01:13:49.560 yeah

01:13:49.760 um

01:13:50.780 yeah it's really frustrating to me

01:13:52.820 why the

01:13:53.260 the

01:13:53.900 the authorities in egypt

01:13:55.700 that are

01:13:56.260 to do with antiquities

01:13:57.500 are extremely sluggish

01:13:59.940 and that's putting it kindly

01:14:01.600 uh

01:14:02.220 go through the next

01:14:03.340 few images

01:14:04.780 samson

01:14:06.280 i'll look

01:14:07.420 there you go

01:14:08.540 on that one

01:14:09.200 you can see

01:14:10.020 uh

01:14:10.480 where they've put the voids there

01:14:11.620 but you can also see

01:14:12.800 that there's those

01:14:13.660 so-called air shafts

01:14:14.920 or the shafts

01:14:15.500 going out from the

01:14:16.160 the king's chamber

01:14:17.180 and the queen's

01:14:17.800 is that real

01:14:18.440 is a

01:14:20.000 underground

01:14:20.620 yeah

01:14:21.020 well so that was the point

01:14:21.960 i wanted to say

01:14:22.620 yeah that it's called

01:14:24.040 the subterranean chamber

01:14:25.180 okay

01:14:25.980 now i've got this feeling

01:14:27.700 a bit like

01:14:28.220 my feeling that

01:14:29.280 jim angleton was

01:14:30.480 and alan dullers

01:14:31.340 were behind

01:14:31.840 the jfk assassination

01:14:32.940 haven't got evidence

01:14:34.400 just my gut says it

01:14:36.340 my gut says it

01:14:37.700 i mean the jfk files

01:14:38.680 are out there now

01:14:39.340 my gut says that

01:14:40.840 the key to the pyramid

01:14:42.080 the great pyramid

01:14:42.860 um

01:14:44.420 kufu

01:14:45.040 the key to it

01:14:46.180 is something to do

01:14:46.980 with the subterranean

01:14:47.880 chamber

01:14:48.400 i don't know why

01:14:50.000 i can't really explain it

01:14:51.400 or maybe if i had hours

01:14:52.540 and hours to go through

01:14:53.520 it in granular detail

01:14:54.360 i could start to make a case

01:14:55.660 but i just think that

01:14:56.920 there's something

01:14:57.520 extremely

01:14:58.600 enigmatic

01:15:00.040 and odd

01:15:00.520 and mysterious

01:15:01.180 about that subterranean

01:15:02.660 chamber

01:15:03.200 and what would be cool

01:15:05.080 is if you go there

01:15:06.540 you

01:15:07.440 the first person

01:15:08.640 ever to find it

01:15:09.480 find the secret

01:15:10.300 false panel

01:15:11.080 on the wall

01:15:11.660 slide it aside

01:15:13.220 and there's the code pad

01:15:14.580 you enter the secret code

01:15:16.260 and you go in the elevator

01:15:17.600 all the way down

01:15:19.280 and you find those

01:15:20.280 hidden libraries

01:15:20.920 to the secret library

01:15:22.000 and you discover

01:15:22.640 the entire thing

01:15:23.620 is just row after row

01:15:25.100 of tablets

01:15:25.520 of people complaining

01:15:26.740 about the wrong grade

01:15:27.640 of copper being delivered

01:15:28.480 or something

01:15:28.780 right

01:15:29.240 yeah

01:15:29.660 like ancient cuneiform

01:15:31.940 what a discovery

01:15:33.240 someone sending a note

01:15:35.520 to their kids

01:15:36.140 saying remember

01:15:36.600 to pick up a bag

01:15:37.600 of grain on your way home

01:15:38.640 yeah

01:15:38.920 and stuff like that

01:15:39.580 yeah

01:15:39.780 I thought you could say

01:15:41.640 you find the panel

01:15:42.640 you press it

01:15:43.240 and the whole pyramid

01:15:43.860 lifts off

01:15:44.480 either would be great

01:15:47.780 yeah either way

01:15:48.460 I'll take it

01:15:48.960 yeah

01:15:49.140 it's cool

01:15:49.740 and so there's a picture

01:15:50.740 of the subterranean chamber

01:15:51.960 many people said

01:15:53.100 it's just unfinished

01:15:54.440 they were going to

01:15:55.160 excavate it further

01:15:56.160 and make a full

01:15:56.920 you know

01:15:58.240 chamber out of it

01:15:59.820 but I don't think

01:16:01.020 that's the case

01:16:01.720 I think for whatever reason

01:16:03.440 that's deliberate

01:16:04.640 it's deliberately been

01:16:06.100 left like that

01:16:06.860 but I haven't got

01:16:07.780 all the answers

01:16:08.260 no one has

01:16:08.860 a bit sloppy workmanship

01:16:10.020 though

01:16:10.280 yeah

01:16:10.620 yeah

01:16:11.300 it is odd

01:16:12.840 go through the next few pictures

01:16:14.080 there's just another

01:16:15.300 there's an old

01:16:16.940 really old

01:16:17.480 I imagine

01:16:19.420 early 20th century

01:16:20.340 maybe that was just

01:16:21.000 the break room

01:16:21.580 while they're working

01:16:22.140 on the rest of it

01:16:22.720 there's an old photo

01:16:25.780 there's an old photo

01:16:25.800 of one of those

01:16:26.840 air shafts

01:16:27.360 I think that's in

01:16:27.740 the king's chamber

01:16:28.440 there's another close up

01:16:31.980 of one of them

01:16:32.560 there's four in total

01:16:34.420 and for a long time

01:16:36.160 we didn't know

01:16:37.240 exactly

01:16:38.100 some of them

01:16:38.660 go all the way out

01:16:39.240 to the edge

01:16:41.080 of the pyramid

01:16:41.840 but some of them don't

01:16:44.040 and there's a little

01:16:44.700 lip in one of them there

01:16:45.920 in the end

01:16:46.600 they sent a little robot

01:16:47.680 little tiny

01:16:48.400 little like

01:16:49.480 radio controlled robot

01:16:52.140 thing down them

01:16:52.780 with a camera

01:16:53.260 and at the end of one

01:16:54.260 they found that

01:16:54.980 very mysterious

01:16:57.340 yeah

01:16:57.560 and then they

01:16:57.860 and then they haven't

01:16:58.800 gone through it yet

01:16:59.500 they did drill through

01:17:00.800 that I believe

01:17:01.600 a little keyhole thing

01:17:02.780 and behind it

01:17:03.680 was just like another

01:17:04.500 space

01:17:05.280 and then another

01:17:06.080 sort of

01:17:06.700 it's almost like

01:17:07.520 another version of that

01:17:08.600 but it's really weird

01:17:10.260 what are those two

01:17:11.100 strange

01:17:11.940 anodes

01:17:13.720 cathodes

01:17:14.340 are they

01:17:14.820 who knows

01:17:15.340 if you came across that

01:17:17.420 if you were crawling

01:17:18.120 through there

01:17:18.900 with like little

01:17:19.420 you can't

01:17:19.760 it's only like this big

01:17:20.480 if you were an

01:17:22.040 incredibly tiny person

01:17:23.660 crawling through there

01:17:24.800 with a little torch

01:17:25.460 on your helmet

01:17:25.800 and you came across that

01:17:26.560 it looked like

01:17:27.140 eyes bleeding

01:17:28.420 or something

01:17:29.020 it'd be terrifying

01:17:29.900 to come across

01:17:30.500 something like that

01:17:30.980 it was creepy

01:17:32.060 I mean I can't think

01:17:33.360 of a better word

01:17:33.840 than enigmatic

01:17:34.560 what is that

01:17:35.640 why is that there

01:17:37.440 why did they

01:17:38.520 like what extreme

01:17:39.740 design and engineering

01:17:41.580 over-engineered

01:17:42.620 to make this

01:17:43.480 extremely difficult

01:17:44.520 passage through

01:17:46.220 and it ends with that

01:17:47.840 what is that

01:17:49.540 we need to send

01:17:50.400 Callum down there

01:17:51.280 why hasn't it been

01:17:51.920 absolutely investigated

01:17:52.980 thoroughly

01:17:53.400 why haven't they

01:17:53.880 sent another thing

01:17:54.840 down to drill

01:17:55.340 through the next one

01:17:56.040 to take samples

01:17:57.120 of whatever that

01:17:57.760 black material is there

01:17:59.460 looks sort of like

01:18:00.300 melted metal or something

01:18:01.260 just do all the tests

01:18:02.920 if I was in charge

01:18:04.180 of Egypt

01:18:04.700 when you're in charge

01:18:06.520 of Egypt

01:18:06.760 rather when

01:18:07.580 when I become

01:18:09.500 in charge

01:18:09.820 when I become

01:18:10.360 Khadiv of Egypt

01:18:11.520 I will order

01:18:13.500 all the tests

01:18:14.240 do all the tests

01:18:15.840 I'd invite all

01:18:17.320 the world's best

01:18:18.000 universities

01:18:18.560 to come to Egypt

01:18:19.880 and do everything

01:18:20.960 they want to do

01:18:21.660 within reason

01:18:22.500 within reason

01:18:23.040 get it done

01:18:25.280 and I think

01:18:26.680 right at the top

01:18:27.140 of the Grand Gallery

01:18:27.860 there's a stone there

01:18:28.920 which is worn away

01:18:30.480 in a really odd

01:18:31.340 shape

01:18:32.180 many have said

01:18:33.440 that

01:18:33.780 there's probably

01:18:36.000 some sort of

01:18:36.480 pulley system

01:18:37.220 was used

01:18:38.140 in the Grand Gallery

01:18:38.980 and that's just

01:18:39.660 evidence of

01:18:40.400 the ropes

01:18:41.300 wearing away

01:18:42.540 that top stone

01:18:43.740 maybe that's where

01:18:45.560 the trap boulder

01:18:46.540 landed

01:18:47.080 yeah

01:18:48.220 but again

01:18:49.380 it is just sort of

01:18:50.020 mysterious

01:18:50.320 interestingly there

01:18:51.320 it seems that

01:18:51.880 if you keep going

01:18:52.520 there's just a

01:18:54.600 drawing of it

01:18:55.240 there you can see

01:18:57.100 it's at the bottom

01:18:57.600 of the screen

01:18:57.920 they filled it in

01:18:58.620 filled it in a bit

01:18:59.680 why?

01:19:01.140 yeah

01:19:01.320 I don't know

01:19:01.760 the Egyptian authorities

01:19:03.060 do really weird

01:19:04.600 things

01:19:05.200 sometimes

01:19:06.380 like they don't

01:19:07.060 let you down

01:19:07.680 there's loads of

01:19:08.440 places underneath

01:19:09.060 the Giza Plateau

01:19:09.780 where there's

01:19:10.120 aquifers and things

01:19:10.920 they don't let

01:19:11.720 people down there

01:19:12.460 like even like

01:19:14.020 university teams

01:19:15.020 or whatever

01:19:15.480 they're like

01:19:16.720 no that's off limits

01:19:17.400 now

01:19:17.680 you can't go

01:19:18.840 underneath the

01:19:19.460 Sphinx

01:19:19.740 you're not allowed

01:19:20.260 what's the problem

01:19:22.040 we're just going to

01:19:22.860 fill in that

01:19:23.500 that stone

01:19:25.380 at the top

01:19:26.060 of the Grand Gallery

01:19:26.660 don't ask us why

01:19:27.820 like there's a

01:19:29.440 whole sites

01:19:30.260 and they're like

01:19:30.640 oh it's just off

01:19:31.300 no one's allowed

01:19:32.260 to go there ever

01:19:32.780 it's a military

01:19:34.420 area

01:19:35.340 no one's allowed

01:19:36.300 in there

01:19:36.660 no archaeology

01:19:37.340 it sounds like

01:19:37.820 they're covering

01:19:38.240 for something

01:19:38.940 is it possible

01:19:40.420 that the pyramids

01:19:41.260 are fake

01:19:41.700 is it possible

01:19:43.500 that the current

01:19:44.220 Egyptian authorities

01:19:45.180 are now stashing

01:19:46.200 their porn

01:19:47.040 in the pyramids

01:19:48.340 it's just all

01:19:49.880 about porn mags

01:19:50.880 that's what it's

01:19:52.060 all about

01:19:52.640 no

01:19:53.660 so I don't

01:19:55.160 want to go too

01:19:55.600 far into the

01:19:56.380 because you could

01:19:56.880 do it for hours

01:19:57.500 and hours

01:19:57.780 talk about the

01:19:58.380 different

01:19:58.660 what the pyramid

01:19:59.600 the Great Pyramid

01:20:00.400 of Khufu is

01:20:01.840 anyway

01:20:02.220 I don't think

01:20:05.300 it was a power

01:20:06.800 station or anything

01:20:07.540 like that

01:20:07.960 but I'm absolutely

01:20:09.320 not convinced

01:20:10.300 it was

01:20:11.080 a place of

01:20:13.220 burial for the

01:20:13.900 pharaoh

01:20:14.200 everyone says

01:20:15.540 that's the

01:20:15.860 king's chamber

01:20:16.340 so-called

01:20:16.780 king's chamber

01:20:17.380 and that's the

01:20:18.160 sarcophagus

01:20:18.600 so-called

01:20:19.120 sarcophagus

01:20:19.660 but

01:20:20.220 did they find

01:20:21.580 a king in it

01:20:22.020 no no

01:20:22.380 oh right

01:20:23.380 I always assumed

01:20:25.280 that because it

01:20:25.760 was called the

01:20:26.140 king's chamber

01:20:26.580 and the queen's

01:20:27.000 chamber

01:20:27.200 but they found

01:20:27.720 a king and a

01:20:28.340 queen in their

01:20:28.760 respective chambers

01:20:29.500 no mummy

01:20:31.440 has been

01:20:31.780 ever found

01:20:32.640 in a sarcophagus

01:20:34.040 in a pyramid

01:20:34.620 ever

01:20:34.900 well that's a

01:20:35.320 that's a crap

01:20:36.340 theory then

01:20:36.900 isn't it

01:20:37.640 so why do we

01:20:39.540 even have that

01:20:40.080 theory

01:20:40.380 well because

01:20:41.060 there are

01:20:41.620 like in the

01:20:42.920 valley of the

01:20:43.780 kings and the

01:20:44.300 queens

01:20:44.680 and earlier

01:20:47.380 mustavas

01:20:48.000 earlier

01:20:48.620 version

01:20:49.420 earlier

01:20:50.080 places where

01:20:51.280 the Egyptians

01:20:51.720 buried their

01:20:52.360 dead

01:20:52.640 very very

01:20:54.800 like the

01:20:55.440 step pyramid

01:20:55.920 and stuff

01:20:56.460 they were

01:20:58.240 they were

01:20:58.580 used as

01:20:59.140 places of

01:20:59.720 burials

01:20:59.880 so like

01:21:00.560 in the

01:21:01.000 kings

01:21:01.360 valley of

01:21:03.020 the kings

01:21:03.340 for example

01:21:03.920 there will

01:21:04.800 be

01:21:05.000 chamber

01:21:05.380 like where

01:21:05.720 they found

01:21:06.000 something

01:21:06.260 coming

01:21:06.660 they found

01:21:07.740 like a

01:21:08.080 sarcophagus

01:21:08.700 and

01:21:10.080 yeah yeah

01:21:10.800 yeah okay

01:21:11.220 okay okay

01:21:11.760 but you

01:21:12.520 don't

01:21:13.820 employ

01:21:14.560 whatever it

01:21:15.600 is a

01:21:15.940 million slaves

01:21:16.980 or artisans

01:21:17.640 or whatever

01:21:18.000 it is

01:21:18.380 and build

01:21:19.200 some massive

01:21:20.180 massive

01:21:20.640 pyramid

01:21:21.100 it must have

01:21:21.580 taken like

01:21:22.200 40 50 years

01:21:23.260 minimum to get

01:21:24.080 that thing

01:21:24.480 built

01:21:24.800 and then just

01:21:25.840 forget to

01:21:26.380 put the

01:21:26.680 king in

01:21:27.000 it

01:21:27.200 it doesn't

01:21:28.060 just slip

01:21:28.500 your mind

01:21:29.000 right at

01:21:29.600 the end

01:21:30.000 some people

01:21:30.500 say he was

01:21:31.080 buried in

01:21:31.480 it originally

01:21:31.820 but there's

01:21:32.260 been grave

01:21:32.700 dropped since

01:21:33.460 but there's

01:21:34.660 no i don't

01:21:35.560 think there's

01:21:36.060 i don't think

01:21:36.760 there's any

01:21:37.200 evidence that

01:21:37.760 there was

01:21:38.000 ever ever

01:21:38.700 a body

01:21:39.260 in that

01:21:39.920 quote unquote

01:21:40.620 sarcophagus

01:21:41.140 but then what

01:21:42.020 is it like

01:21:42.500 what is the

01:21:43.880 utility of it

01:21:44.760 then i don't

01:21:45.140 know

01:21:45.380 who knows

01:21:47.020 some people

01:21:48.320 in the comments

01:21:48.820 are convinced

01:21:49.440 they know

01:21:50.040 will be going

01:21:50.840 crazy it's

01:21:51.300 because of

01:21:51.860 it was creating

01:21:53.140 electricity or

01:21:54.100 whatever but

01:21:54.540 the other

01:21:57.380 thing is that

01:21:57.980 in earlier

01:21:58.980 pyramids later

01:21:59.560 pyramids and

01:22:00.060 certainly in

01:22:01.020 a lot of

01:22:02.400 the burial

01:22:03.800 places in

01:22:04.280 the valley of

01:22:04.640 the kings

01:22:05.000 the insides

01:22:06.480 of these

01:22:06.880 tombs are

01:22:08.080 covered in

01:22:08.700 hieroglyphs

01:22:09.540 and writing

01:22:10.280 it just says

01:22:10.760 this is the

01:22:11.460 burial place

01:22:12.140 pharaoh who

01:22:14.120 did xyz and

01:22:15.040 the walls are

01:22:15.940 covered in

01:22:16.920 hieroglyphs

01:22:17.580 saying what it

01:22:18.740 is and what's

01:22:19.260 going on

01:22:19.880 in here there's

01:22:21.500 none

01:22:21.800 is it possible

01:22:22.560 that was carved

01:22:23.320 much later or do

01:22:24.340 we know that was

01:22:24.840 carved at the same

01:22:25.420 time as the

01:22:25.840 structure

01:22:26.120 it's possible

01:22:27.340 that it was

01:22:28.240 later but almost

01:22:29.000 certainly not

01:22:29.640 well you can have

01:22:31.200 multiple things

01:22:31.900 so for example

01:22:32.740 it was carved at

01:22:34.520 the time but then

01:22:35.240 later someone

01:22:36.000 smashes all the

01:22:37.200 cartouches off and

01:22:38.220 try and expunge

01:22:40.580 someone's name so

01:22:42.060 there'll be many

01:22:42.700 layers of things

01:22:43.640 going on but

01:22:44.480 nonetheless in the

01:22:46.520 great pyramid

01:22:47.040 there's no

01:22:48.040 there's no

01:22:48.580 hieroglyphs on the

01:22:49.240 walls none not

01:22:50.080 one not one

01:22:51.640 thing saying

01:22:53.120 this is the

01:22:53.820 tomb of

01:22:54.380 that's a big

01:22:55.820 oversight really

01:22:56.680 yeah yeah

01:22:57.960 it does

01:22:58.640 especially for

01:22:59.740 the great

01:23:00.500 pyramid

01:23:01.040 anyway right

01:23:01.840 now so

01:23:02.140 there's also

01:23:02.800 it seems like

01:23:03.600 there's evidence

01:23:03.980 now of the

01:23:04.580 old question of

01:23:05.380 how was just

01:23:06.220 how was it

01:23:06.680 built just

01:23:07.640 logistically

01:23:08.200 physically how

01:23:09.140 is it possible

01:23:09.700 people say

01:23:11.060 we have to

01:23:11.500 build a ramp

01:23:12.180 up to it

01:23:12.860 but the ramp

01:23:13.260 itself would be

01:23:13.780 a bigger

01:23:14.080 construction project

01:23:14.920 than the pyramid

01:23:15.400 itself so it

01:23:16.980 seems now they

01:23:17.520 think that there

01:23:18.360 was a ramp up

01:23:19.880 the first third

01:23:20.840 of it or less

01:23:21.620 and then some

01:23:22.520 sort of internal

01:23:23.380 ramp structure

01:23:24.100 going on and

01:23:25.360 there's some

01:23:26.200 sort of evidence

01:23:27.480 there's various

01:23:29.000 evidence for that

01:23:29.680 now it's beginning

01:23:30.360 to point that way

01:23:31.100 if you go to the

01:23:31.940 next image

01:23:33.140 go to the next

01:23:34.800 one

01:23:35.180 there you go

01:23:37.560 there's some

01:23:38.040 other scans

01:23:40.460 showing

01:23:41.080 oh it'd be

01:23:41.540 back breaking

01:23:42.160 work wouldn't

01:23:42.820 it

01:23:43.040 yeah yeah

01:23:44.200 some of the

01:23:45.120 massive stones

01:23:45.740 that's that

01:23:46.460 little niche

01:23:47.440 up the top

01:23:48.060 that you can

01:23:49.700 sort of squeeze

01:23:50.240 in

01:23:50.620 there's a guy

01:23:52.840 standing there

01:23:53.460 I mean that's

01:23:54.660 a great picture

01:23:55.360 for scale isn't

01:23:56.200 it

01:23:56.360 you can actually

01:23:56.800 get where you

01:23:57.380 see there's that

01:23:57.860 hole there

01:23:58.380 you can actually

01:23:58.820 sort of get in

01:23:59.480 there and there's

01:24:00.000 like a breeze

01:24:01.360 and they think

01:24:02.480 that's the remnant

01:24:03.400 of the internal

01:24:05.200 the internal

01:24:06.520 thing

01:24:06.820 the facing

01:24:07.640 stones

01:24:07.960 just the mystery

01:24:08.640 of the facing

01:24:09.220 stones

01:24:09.820 there are

01:24:11.220 obviously the

01:24:12.260 finished stones

01:24:13.460 on the outside

01:24:13.980 why are they

01:24:14.920 nearly all gone

01:24:16.220 on the other

01:24:16.920 pyramid

01:24:17.680 the pyramid

01:24:18.160 of Khafre

01:24:18.660 you know the

01:24:19.520 top bit of it

01:24:20.320 has still got

01:24:20.740 most of them

01:24:21.220 on

01:24:21.460 why is that

01:24:23.340 some people

01:24:23.760 we don't really

01:24:24.200 know

01:24:24.360 some people say

01:24:24.900 it's earthquakes

01:24:25.540 over the years

01:24:26.660 they've all sloughed

01:24:27.760 off because of

01:24:28.600 earthquakes

01:24:29.080 that seems like

01:24:30.240 nonsense to me

01:24:30.960 doesn't seem likely

01:24:32.640 doesn't seem

01:24:32.980 possible but okay

01:24:33.880 possibly I don't

01:24:34.660 know

01:24:34.840 no seismologist

01:24:36.480 others say that

01:24:37.560 just over the

01:24:38.920 millennia and

01:24:39.680 the centuries

01:24:40.220 particularly in

01:24:41.360 the sort of

01:24:42.140 Arab in the

01:24:43.320 Middle Ages

01:24:43.840 the facing

01:24:45.020 stones were

01:24:45.600 stolen and

01:24:46.800 used to build

01:24:47.640 sort of modern

01:24:48.480 Cairo medieval

01:24:49.220 Cairo used for

01:24:50.640 other things

01:24:51.300 so I mean if

01:24:54.000 that is true

01:24:54.560 which is

01:24:55.000 sort of the

01:24:55.960 main argument

01:24:57.680 that people say

01:24:58.220 where the facing

01:24:58.780 stones have gone

01:24:59.340 most people

01:24:59.900 most archaeologists

01:25:00.860 and historians

01:25:01.280 say that

01:25:01.900 it's like oh

01:25:03.080 so one of the

01:25:03.940 worst

01:25:04.400 crimes against

01:25:05.600 archaeology ever

01:25:06.440 then

01:25:06.720 the Arab

01:25:08.040 Egyptians did

01:25:08.780 there did

01:25:09.320 they

01:25:09.500 oh right

01:25:09.960 okay

01:25:10.540 won't ever

01:25:11.560 blame them

01:25:12.040 or ever mention

01:25:12.620 that though

01:25:13.340 it just happened

01:25:14.860 it's just something

01:25:15.260 that happened

01:25:15.740 was it

01:25:16.260 ISIS took over

01:25:17.440 some country

01:25:18.380 and immediately

01:25:18.860 started destroying

01:25:20.040 all of the old

01:25:21.100 ancient artifacts

01:25:22.260 that happened

01:25:22.980 that happened

01:25:23.000 every time

01:25:23.800 yeah

01:25:24.040 exactly

01:25:24.580 one instance

01:25:25.840 Muslims

01:25:26.500 are

01:25:27.600 iconoclasts

01:25:30.620 yeah

01:25:30.800 you know

01:25:31.580 remember the

01:25:32.200 Taliban blew up

01:25:33.860 those two massive

01:25:34.780 Buddhas

01:25:35.180 I think that's what

01:25:36.080 I was thinking

01:25:36.520 of the Taliban

01:25:37.020 no but also

01:25:38.240 ISIS

01:25:38.660 yeah

01:25:39.020 ISIS

01:25:39.480 where was it

01:25:40.620 not Petra

01:25:42.720 I've seen

01:25:45.240 I can't remember

01:25:45.980 but there's

01:25:46.280 I've seen videos

01:25:46.700 of them smashing

01:25:47.380 statues

01:25:48.080 it's happened

01:25:48.760 a whole bunch

01:25:49.440 of times

01:25:50.060 oh Palmyra

01:25:51.500 I think it was

01:25:52.160 the ancient site

01:25:52.880 city of Palmyra

01:25:53.860 which was a

01:25:54.740 was a wonderful

01:25:55.680 still is really

01:25:56.520 but was a wonderful

01:25:57.860 archaeological site

01:25:58.720 and they

01:25:59.020 messed it up

01:25:59.860 big time

01:26:00.300 yeah

01:26:01.980 the facing stones

01:26:02.900 like wherever

01:26:03.200 they were going

01:26:03.460 so anyway

01:26:03.800 the point is

01:26:04.500 did I have other

01:26:05.220 did I have other

01:26:06.640 things to talk about

01:26:08.060 after the facing stones

01:26:09.340 I think

01:26:09.600 no that was the last one

01:26:10.280 so the point is

01:26:11.420 because you can see

01:26:12.200 the precision

01:26:12.740 the precision engineering

01:26:14.560 of it

01:26:15.040 absolutely remarkable

01:26:16.640 so I don't think

01:26:18.060 there's any real need

01:26:19.020 to sort of

01:26:19.700 try and manufacture

01:26:21.420 or force

01:26:22.120 any more

01:26:23.200 or new

01:26:23.580 wonderful

01:26:24.020 mysterious things

01:26:24.840 about the

01:26:25.500 particularly the

01:26:26.580 great pyramid

01:26:27.260 of Kufu

01:26:28.760 it's already

01:26:29.740 you've already got

01:26:31.520 more mysteries

01:26:32.580 and wonders

01:26:33.260 than you can

01:26:34.100 shake a stick at

01:26:34.860 so we'll see

01:26:36.360 if these guys

01:26:37.120 were right or wrong

01:26:37.860 I suspect

01:26:38.580 it's just noise

01:26:40.340 in their data

01:26:41.540 or

01:26:42.380 natural

01:26:43.460 a natural phenomenon

01:26:44.940 it's the natural

01:26:46.580 features

01:26:47.860 under the

01:26:48.440 Giza Plateau

01:26:49.020 but

01:26:49.280 I say

01:26:50.700 there's still

01:26:51.080 1-3%

01:26:51.980 in my mind

01:26:52.660 that

01:26:54.200 what they're

01:26:54.780 saying is true

01:26:55.380 I can't rule it out

01:26:56.680 there's a 12 year old

01:26:57.080 bow

01:26:57.400 going

01:26:57.840 come on

01:26:58.460 please

01:26:58.840 I can't rule it out

01:27:00.160 but it just

01:27:01.160 it's almost certainly

01:27:02.700 not possible

01:27:03.500 it's almost certainly

01:27:04.800 not possible

01:27:05.180 ok I'll leave it there

01:27:06.440 alright

01:27:06.760 so

01:27:08.540 Skyline says

01:27:10.060 to be fair

01:27:10.540 would you want

01:27:10.960 a bunch of

01:27:11.440 Egyptians

01:27:11.860 digging around

01:27:12.580 under Windsor Castle

01:27:13.860 well

01:27:15.160 well if

01:27:16.820 Windsor Castle

01:27:17.540 was thousands

01:27:18.140 and thousands

01:27:18.580 and thousands

01:27:19.040 of years old

01:27:19.860 and had

01:27:20.320 a load of

01:27:20.860 amazing

01:27:21.320 unknown

01:27:21.740 mysteries

01:27:22.180 that we

01:27:22.560 still hadn't

01:27:22.980 solved

01:27:23.200 and those

01:27:23.540 Egyptians

01:27:23.920 were

01:27:24.380 uniquely

01:27:25.720 capable

01:27:26.440 of solving

01:27:27.220 those

01:27:27.520 mysteries

01:27:27.880 then yeah

01:27:29.120 none of them

01:27:30.100 yeah

01:27:30.280 actually

01:27:30.820 Lothar says

01:27:32.400 Dan if you

01:27:32.880 were an

01:27:33.080 incestuous

01:27:33.600 foe

01:27:33.960 like all

01:27:34.420 those

01:27:34.620 degenerate

01:27:35.300 cat sister

01:27:35.940 loving

01:27:36.280 pharaohs

01:27:36.860 you'd hide

01:27:37.260 your

01:27:37.420 porn stash

01:27:37.980 down there

01:27:38.440 too

01:27:38.860 I think

01:27:44.600 we might

01:27:45.040 have

01:27:45.180 started

01:27:45.520 something

01:27:45.780 here

01:27:46.020 well to

01:27:46.420 be fair

01:27:46.740 we've been

01:27:47.060 wondering

01:27:47.360 what the

01:27:47.720 theme's

01:27:48.140 going to

01:27:48.360 be

01:27:48.900 Scanline

01:27:49.620 says

01:27:49.900 it's

01:27:50.200 giant

01:27:50.600 coils

01:27:51.040 to help

01:27:51.360 them

01:27:51.520 spring

01:27:52.000 up

01:27:52.360 to the

01:27:53.160 tic-tac

01:27:53.640 aliens

01:27:54.180 that help

01:27:54.640 them move

01:27:55.140 the pyramids

01:27:55.920 and

01:27:56.200 Hewitt

01:27:56.680 76

01:27:57.160 says

01:27:57.620 something

01:27:57.980 but I

01:27:58.240 can't

01:27:58.420 read it

01:27:58.700 because it's

01:27:58.920 off the

01:27:59.120 let me

01:27:59.700 let me

01:28:00.040 just

01:28:00.280 there you

01:28:01.020 go

01:28:01.280 yeah

01:28:01.740 Italian

01:28:03.700 scientist

01:28:04.160 tells you

01:28:06.780 everything

01:28:07.040 about the

01:28:07.480 veracity

01:28:07.940 of this

01:28:08.400 and

01:28:09.280 pizza

01:28:09.580 slayer

01:28:09.880 says

01:28:10.120 got

01:28:10.480 islander

01:28:10.900 three

01:28:11.080 yesterday

01:28:11.440 soon

01:28:11.780 enough

01:28:12.040 I'll

01:28:12.180 have

01:28:12.300 enough

01:28:12.560 volumes

01:28:12.980 to be

01:28:13.220 able to

01:28:13.480 drape

01:28:13.700 myself

01:28:13.980 in the

01:28:14.260 wise

01:28:14.580 words

01:28:15.000 of the

01:28:15.280 lotus

01:28:15.540 eaters

01:28:16.020 with two

01:28:17.280 little

01:28:17.540 devil

01:28:17.820 horns

01:28:18.060 I would

01:28:18.540 like to

01:28:18.940 imagine

01:28:19.320 if it

01:28:19.740 was

01:28:19.960 coils

01:28:20.400 that you

01:28:20.980 could

01:28:21.300 theoretically

01:28:23.320 bounce

01:28:24.460 the great

01:28:25.100 pyramid

01:28:25.520 as is being

01:28:26.600 suggested

01:28:27.100 there

01:28:27.460 what like

01:28:27.900 the latino's

01:28:29.340 car

01:28:29.660 yeah

01:28:30.440 exactly

01:28:30.780 like it's

01:28:31.160 got a

01:28:31.380 low rider

01:28:31.940 function

01:28:32.680 got another

01:28:34.460 super chat

01:28:34.980 I guess

01:28:35.220 just came in

01:28:35.860 my husband

01:28:36.320 worked in

01:28:37.200 jubel city

01:28:39.180 in saudi

01:28:39.840 a second

01:28:40.620 stroke

01:28:40.940 third

01:28:41.180 century

01:28:41.540 church

01:28:41.980 is hidden

01:28:42.500 just outside

01:28:43.540 with all its

01:28:44.000 crosses

01:28:44.300 chiseled off

01:28:45.060 yeah

01:28:45.620 iconoclasm

01:28:46.260 no one is

01:28:47.260 supposed to

01:28:47.640 talk about

01:28:48.100 it

01:28:48.300 one of

01:28:48.660 many

01:28:48.980 yeah

01:28:49.660 almost

01:28:49.880 certainly

01:28:50.180 yeah

01:28:50.420 let's not

01:28:52.500 mention that

01:28:53.080 on air

01:28:53.520 then

01:28:53.740 throughout

01:28:54.360 the entire

01:28:54.840 muslim world

01:28:55.640 wherever

01:28:55.940 there's any

01:28:56.460 traces of

01:28:58.120 any other

01:28:58.480 religions

01:28:58.920 you're

01:28:59.400 on borrowed

01:29:00.480 time

01:29:00.960 have we got

01:29:03.040 any um

01:29:03.520 video comments

01:29:04.460 samson

01:29:04.960 they paid

01:29:09.560 their money

01:29:10.020 they can get

01:29:10.500 their comment

01:29:11.080 we can go

01:29:12.580 two minutes

01:29:12.960 over can't

01:29:13.360 we

01:29:13.560 okay he's

01:29:17.180 got to set up

01:29:17.780 common sense

01:29:18.240 crusade

01:29:18.760 fair dinkum

01:29:19.680 common sense

01:29:20.980 crusade has

01:29:21.580 trumped your

01:29:22.040 comments but

01:29:22.460 you'll get them

01:29:22.920 tomorrow

01:29:23.400 oh with the

01:29:24.440 lovely liani

01:29:25.380 i should add

01:29:26.100 very good

01:29:27.820 right oh

01:29:29.480 yeah so

01:29:30.060 cheerio

01:29:30.440 bye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - April 03, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1135

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