The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1136
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Summary
In this episode of The Lotus Seat, I'm joined by Beau and Lani Dowling to discuss the real fear of a British civil war, the current gender war in South Korea, and the prejuvenation trend among Gen Zeds.
Transcript
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good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the lotus seat is for friday the 4th of
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april 2025 look time i i'm too old to worry about time okay time is a young person's game i'm not
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worried about this transcended yeah i've transcended the concept there's just the forever now okay i'm
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joined by beau and lani dowling thank you so much for coming in and uh today we're going to be
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talking about uh the very real fear of a british civil war uh the current kind of gender war that's
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going on in south korea incels versus feminists as i understand it is that correct well that's one
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angle i was going to talk more about the actual legislative process and the news that broke
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overnight about their president all right but that's one element to it i don't i don't i don't
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follow south korean politics very closely but uh go team incel not gonna be on team feminist and uh
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and then we're going to be talking about uh the prejuvenation trend among gen zed women why are
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they getting their faces filled with botox and lip fillers and making themselves look kind of monstrous
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yeah very peculiar thing and i don't understand it but uh but before we begin we of course have
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lads hour at three o'clock this afternoon and we're going to be playing ethno guesser uh to see
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see how accurately we can map the ethnicities of the world or something i've not actually played it but
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uh looks like it should be fun anyway right so let's begin so uh the last election we were
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treated to i think uh signs of things to come which was the independent muslim mps who were elected in
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their constituencies uh on the pro-palestine position isn't really very closely tied to
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politics how mad is that in and of itself yeah it's kind of why i mean that ever be the case
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yeah they're exactly the people you'd expect uh shock at adam iqbal muhammad adin hussein
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ayyub khan and jeremy corbyn so like i said the five muslim mps it's funny that they're not actually
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often that sometimes they are but often they're not actually palestinian or even arab no they could
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be pakistan or bagdadeshi or anything but i think i think the muslim thing alone makes them
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i think they might all be pakistanics but it's very worrying to me that british people who are
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voting are going out and voting based on pro a pro-palestine stance when we need to be looking
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after our country don't we and we need mps that are going to represent us the people in our needs
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in this country well that kind of um is the point actually because you you use the british people and
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our and so you've got a constituency of british people to whom we belong do we belong to the same
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constituency as these guys because if you look they would have been elected by yeah largely by
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pakistanis or just yeah just muslim people yeah the muslims and this this makes me wonder well
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actually are they an us are they a we are they an hour because i mean the first sort of things they
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started coming out about and talking about are for example uh they're against the proposal to ban
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first cousin marriages something that wasn't really necessary in britain because people didn't
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marry their cousins here uh i'm in favor of it so i would and i would think banning or first cousin
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well i mean i think i think you can already guess actually you know but you can also guess where uh
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iqbal muhammad and so it's like right this this isn't just a a regular policy question like you know
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do we want higher taxes or lower taxes to fund the nhs well that's something that we can all have an
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opinion on uh this this is something that's distinctly uh cultural and foreign i would say
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to britain and of course this is the sort of thing that muhammad uh got up and started talking about
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and then the next thing of course is uh the proposed funding from britain for an airport in mirpur which
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is the backwards area of pakistan all places where most of our immigrants come from they say there are
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over a million british kashmiris living in the united kingdom and who would benefit directly
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from an addition to the neighboring regions of jellum dina and gujarat
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and they would also gain from improved international transport connections
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this would serve the vibrant worldwide kashmiri diaspora
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going back to us an hour so are these british people you know i mean it's signed by here it's
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not but and and then the funny thing is is zara sultana had just i think she called out somebody
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about the expansion of heathrow she didn't want that because that was against net zero
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yet here she is saying build this airport and it's just the hypocrisy of it all but it does worry me
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that there are a lot of uh liberal white traitors well like stella creasy who signed this right and
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like the lady the headmistress who uh banned the easter bonnet parade in the um hampshire school
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and the easter celebration she was a white you know i'm assuming liberal because i don't think it would
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be a conservative that did that so the point is i think that when when this kind of proposal is on the
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table when this kind of obvious ethnic interest is on the table we can safely say right these aren't
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people who consider themselves to be british they consider themselves to be pakistani and kashmiri
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and they're trying to advance their agenda in that country so when for example thing is the
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definition of being a fifth columnist wouldn't it yeah i mean when when you know samantha here i'm sure
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is a very nice and well-meaning person and they point out well the following british mps are campaigning
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on behalf of their constituents in pakistan it's like okay but i don't really think they think
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their constituents are british people right it seems that the revealed preference honest if they
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were perfectly honest just their actions the revealed actions show no they're campaigning for
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pakistan so i think they view themselves as pakistani mps in britain rather than british mps who are doing
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and also going back to them wanting the cousin marriage to continue that actually does put a lot
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of strain on our nhs when they have babies from those cousin marriages that end up having uh birth
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defects yeah you're a really really serious one really serious massive massive problem what about
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the take the angle of let them marry their first cousins as much as they want so that they remain
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okay docile and they're not as long as we don't have to fund it through the nhs because that's the
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thing i think these stats were it was insane like the proportion of pakistani uh children that are born
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with these defects because their parents are cousins versus kids born with birth defects to british
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couples you know aren't they something like 35 of all the birth defects despite being yes yeah that's
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it i didn't want to say that stat without it written down just in case but that's what i remembered
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yeah that's what i remember too i might be wrong fact check me on that but what a disaster of stat
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that is yes that's crazy sickening not just like a bit odd and like okay it's like that's terrible
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that's sickening it's it's where you would think that the state does have an ethical duty to step in
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and do something about it right as in you know kirstama came out and just flatly denied that there was
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going to be a ban on first cousins of marriages it's like yeah but that would really protect children
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from being consanguineous uh it would be better anyway so the next thing uh the and this is one
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of the things that uh the americans keep picking up on is that all of our institutions appear to just
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well be islamic yeah for example on the bbc here's like an hour of eid live is where they're introducing
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eid al fitter prayers from the bradford central mosque uh this is six percent of the population
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like the muslims are actually a very small percentage of british population and yet they're
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given incredible status in this country which is fooling the americans i've just been over to america
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the americans are like so how many muslims do you guys have oh less than 10 and that's what really
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how have you got less than 10 fewer than 10 muslims with the the cultural product that we see coming
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out of your country and it's because the establishment well pay for them for some reason
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and i can't really explain it i mean here's the royal family eid mubarak you know like they they
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as if they are themselves muslims and not the head of the church of england charles is the defender of
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faiths he did actually walk that back oh did he yeah he ended up getting crowned as the defender of the
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faith he wanted defender of faiths because charles is a notorious orientalist he really loves eastern
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religions for some reason uh he seems to not care about christianity at all quick thing i'll just say
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about the six percent i know as a as a percentage doesn't sound all that catastrophic but i'd say six
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percent is still it's still massive actually though in real numbers that's still millions and millions
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millions of people it's four million right and the real reality people off the books and things
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don't respond to censuses it'll be a few million more um but i was talking about it in the kitchen
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earlier um at some point in the early 2000s or the 2010s at some point i've looked at the figure for
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how the percentage of black people in america and was shocked to find out it was only sort of 12 13
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something like that because if you watch tv and films and just the general culture you think oh
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america's half black yeah or something wouldn't you that's the impression you get it's just not
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the case i guess we've got the same thing with america they think we're mostly muslim now or
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something well they also think that most of our knife crimes committed by a white guy from a really
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good two-parent family that very stable that's never done anything bad before so it's just roaming
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bands of white boys stabbing people up in the streets for no reason it's all the way down
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yeah um yeah so the the exactly right the the representation of things is skewed in order to
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give people a false impression of what's actually happening and of course you'll you'll see i mean
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keir starmer posted this about an hour ago on his twitter someone posted for him
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eid mubarak everyone it's really i can't hear that he's telling another one to see you and to be saying that
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here in this room i've been really proud that we've been able to host an iftar event here
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in number 10 to attend the big iftar in westminster hall i'm wishing you eid mubarak is a really
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special moment the day after the election last year that i stood outside the front door here on the
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steps of downing street and i said that this would be a government of service yes look this is my place
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of work but the building and i want you to get a sense of this it really belongs to you as well
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because there we go he's i mean he couldn't be more thrilled to be wishing them uh fantastic eid
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mubarak and that's today because he did the start of ramadam he did the end of ramadam and now he's
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also done this and i actually looked two days ago haven't looked since he's not mentioned lent once
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uh ash wednesday didn't mention that it just seems that they're purposely ignoring christian
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celebrations and traditions whilst promoting this and talking about this at every possible
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opportunity i mean he looks genuinely thrilled to be doing this well that was my question is one of
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two things is going on either he genuinely wants to do this and he's happy to do it or it's under
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duress in some way and he's scared it seems like the first one you want it very much seems like he's
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just on board with this this these this politics lindsey hoyle when he was like look i'm really worried
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about someone an mp being murdered he was scared you know you could tell the fear in him no kistama
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loves this he loves to have his little muslim constituency that he can say no look eid mubarak i'm
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so thrilled i love this is yours as well it's like oh great brilliant i do actually wonder if he's a troll
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because he really does seem to troll everyone with and trying i don't know is he actually trying to
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upset everybody and demoralize every single british person in this country i think honestly
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you were right about these sort of traitorous liberals and the thing is he's such he's so
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committed to this kind of universalist perspective i don't think he sees it i don't think he understands
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what he's doing uh i would think that anyone who isn't on board with this way of thinking
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is a is a gross terrible person and screw them anyway i imagine that's how it it works in his
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mind yeah they're far right and so uh the the police of course uh deliberately named a man who
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set fire to the quran uh essentially criminalizing and uh putting putting a target for vigilantes on
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this man's uh back because burning the quran well i mean if you can see how the the king the
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government and the institutions support islam uh well why would they not do this
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record am i right in saying that until any sort of true islamophobia legislation is passed it's not
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illegal to burn a quran uh it's probably some sort of hate crime you know you i mean you would think
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back a couple of hundred years when we were concerned about religious toleration and we've gone back on all
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of that burning any other book let's say that that is privately owned on private property that's
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certainly not a crime yeah you can earn as many copies of the bible as you like right proper
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bonfire of bibles i'm sure kirstam would support that yeah um anyway so uh and then finally of course
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um we uh we have the the two-tier justice now this is something that they had to walk back on
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because kirstam actually did threaten to legislate against this uh but the point is all of the
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quangos in this country do believe that in fact the minority should be given privileges over the
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majority and for some reason okay we won this battle but the war's not over and they're going
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to continue and of course muslims are not exactly uh massively contributing to the economy not that
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that's really the thing i'm concerned about uh as you can see here adhan hussein mp uh pointed out
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that muslims generate at least 70 billion annually for the uk economy which is two percent of the gdp for
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six percent of the population so that's yeah brutal community no it's absolutely brutal
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so they're sort of 66 underperforming yes right okay yes they are uh so anyway the point being
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the country feels to a lot of people like it's being run for the benefit of islam and minorities
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and lots of people are upset about this and so uh professor david betts at king's college london
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their department of war studies has been kind of sounding the alarm saying well look um we're
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actually in a point now where all of the conditions for civil war are most ripe and this is something
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maybe we should be thinking about because people seem quite upset and we saw the first signs of this
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at southport after the southport riots before any information about the stab was known people started
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attacking mosques now obviously don't start attacking mosques obviously this is bad but what this
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indicates to us is that people have had enough and that's why keir starmer came down on them like
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a ton of bricks and dedicated 30 million pounds of your tax money to protecting mosques because
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keir starmer loves islam but anyway david betts points out that um rich and stable countries don't
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have civil wars uh legitimate democracies and strong autocracies don't have civil wars the most
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unstable he says are moderately homogenous societies particularly where there is a perceived change in the
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status of the titular majority or a significant minority which possesses the wherewithal to revolt
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on its own and that's the important thing the status now if there's one thing i think a lot of
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british people feel at the moment is that they are low status in their own country being english in
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england is not a prestigious thing it's actually a kind of gross scummy thing remember uh what's that
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labour mp who posted the picture of the english flag emily thornberry yeah look at these english flags
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how dare you drive a white van and fly the saint julius how dare you yeah yeah yeah yeah and and we
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can see the the general veneration for foreign things coming out of the institutions and so he
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points out that look we are in fact very much in this kind of sweet spot uh for it uh and i'm just
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going to quote a little bit of length because this this is just i think very interesting he says
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the peculiarity of contemporary western multiculturalism uh relative to other examples
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of heterogeneous societies is threefold firstly it is in the sweet spot with respect to theories of
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civil war causation uh specifically the modern problem of coordination costs is diminished in a
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situation where white majorities who are trending rapidly towards large minority status in some cases
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live along multiple smaller minorities secondly thus far what have been practiced is a sort of
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asymmetric multiculturalism in which the in-group preference ethnic pride and group solidarity
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notably in voting are acceptable for all groups except whites whom such things are considered to
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be resentful supremacist attitudes that are antithetical to the social order and thirdly because
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of the above what has emerged is a perception that the status quo is invidiously unbalanced which
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provides an argument for revolt on the part of the white majority that is rooted in stirring language
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of justice from a strategic communications perspective a morally inflected narrative which
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has a clearly articulated grievance a plausible and urgent remedy and a receptive and conscious
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community is powerful basically what he's saying there is it seems that the white people in britain
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are going to say you know what we don't have to we've had enough and so we just put me in mind
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everything you're reading there the thing that keep kept popping into my mind was um goldstein's book
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in 1984 um in the the original novel 1984 before just for winston smith gets arrested there's a few
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passages where he's reading from goldstein's book and it's it's that sort of thing that there's a um
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well to boil it down sort of an underclass a working class a middle class and an upper class and that the
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middle and the upper class swap around at various times and the underclass just swap masters um but
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it doesn't have to be about purely politics it can be about uh racial and ethnic and religious divides
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as well it could easily be that or has been in history played out in real time a number of a number
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of times it's just the same old story we've seen this through history all throughout the world all
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throughout the centuries a number of times this isn't sort of new right it's no it's not happened
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in britain no this is it's not unremarkable in any way shape or form i've spent the last five years
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thinking when are people actually going to have had enough to actually do something and i'm obviously i
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am absolutely not uh condoning going out in the streets or doing anything stupid and writing and and
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burning anything not but i just think when are people actually going to stand up i mean people are
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still a little too afraid to even talk about things like that we talk about they're a little afraid to
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even talk about it to their friends or uh or their work colleagues unless they know that their friends
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or work colleagues are kind of on the same page so i do wonder but then i also wonder is it like
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problem reaction solution because all of this hasn't happened by accident i don't think it's
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incompetence i think it's been orchestrated i think it's been facilitated i think there's people making
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a lot of money allowing you know illegals to come in or you know building houses for you know foreign
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imports and and so i do wonder if you know and and not cracking down on crime things like that just
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the basics of society um and so are they allowing this so that there is a reaction so they can really
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bring in a solution like 1984 where it's surveillance everywhere where they say right well you know we can go
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through every single one of your text messages just on like the little inkling that you might have said
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something bad against the government and therefore you might be you know a potential rioter so i don't
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know whether it's kind of been planned or whether you know it is it is just a very organic build up of upset
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i'm i'm of the opinion that these people are doctrinaire liberals and they genuinely believe in the things
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that they're saying and so what this means is that they view foreign peoples to have as much of a claim
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to britain as the british people do right and so when the british people in the sort of old world
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thought of well hang on this is our country not your country what are you doing here uh try to assert that
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that's viewed as not only racism uh but some something tantamount to genocide uh to say that these
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people have no claim to our country and so they they freak out about this and so they now are like
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oh god we're sat on this far right uh you know pressure cooker and we've just got to keep keep it
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all together or else it explodes and loads of people have their human rights violated is what they think
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i think it's sort of deliberate malevolence whether it's tony blair or rishi sunak um just yeah very very
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deliberate not just like uh my liberal principles have accidentally led to this i don't know i mean
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i don't know either i don't know for sure it could be either one but the i think the establishment are
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a little different from the everyday liberals like the head teacher that i mentioned because they all
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have been completely and utterly indoctrinated through everything through schools through college
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through media music tv film everything's kind of indoctrinated people to this point where where
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you know they're calling this netflix show a documentary it's like to be honest with you i i accept it i
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accept that it's a documentary uh but it's a long no no but it's a longer conversation real quick i
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mean you take our current uh justice secretary mahmood what's her name something mahmood
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so but anyway her two-tier thing yeah you can't take that as sort of um an accidental byproduct
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of liberalism she was against she was against it she objected to the two-tier thing she's the one who
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the the day it came out like any sense so who's putting it forward then through parliament it's it's
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it's no no it's not going through parliament that's the thing not now so the no no the sentence in council
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is a quango right and what they do is provide authoritative guidance to judges and so they say look
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uh the the judges aren't legally bound by it but they take it in the same sort of way as if you
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know when david starkey says what the right wing needs to think about everyone goes oh it's david
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starkey saying we're gonna listen right um it's that kind of authority is the romans would have
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called it octoritas i think so back in the day didn't starmer go to meetings of the sentencing
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council was he part of it probably was i actually don't know but i do know that he went to 21 meetings
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of the sentencing council who decided that not all child sex offenders should go to jail that's
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a little factoid that i do know that he was involved with the uh sentencing council then
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that would absolutely make sense as head of the cps i'm sure they work hand in glove i'm sure they
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do but the point is it's not necessarily a legal requirement it's just an authoritative thing and
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starmer and but uh shibana i think her name is mahu mahmood she actually came out against it
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because it looks really bad i don't think it's because morally she's opposed to it's because
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that we're already calling him two-tier kia and if he stands idle on this well then that just
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cements it but anyway so the reason i talk about all this is because this um line of thinking that
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david betts has been promoting uh and properly putting into the consciousness of the british people
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and rightly so i think uh is finally arriving at the sort of tory wets right they're finally getting
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it and going hang on a second have we been party to the biggest betrayal in all of british history
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that's turned our country into an absolute sewer and has enraged huge amounts of people who live here
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and it's like yes tim stanley you have been party to that right so i'm just gonna i'm just gonna read
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from his article because of course you can imagine how he lands on this so uh he says i now fear that
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britain is heading for an open sectarian conflict possibly war and there's nothing we can do to stop it
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it's well i mean you didn't have to be party to it for the last 14 years did you tim uh but anyway
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here's a snapshot of what i'm hearing he says on one night in westminster i met someone who argued
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for voluntary repatriation two generations back a labor activist told me we must re-educate muslims
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and jacob breeze mogg debated me on gb news said britain should take zero refugees i spluttered a reply
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about the good samaritan and staggered off the bed confused in the press these these are the sort of
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libs i hate the most right it's one thing the the woke globalist libs who are like look i kind of
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hate you and i want to destroy your culture like this that's great i kind of hate you too and i want
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to destroy globalism right that's at least we're both honest tim stanley is i'm going to pretend i
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don't hate you if i want to destroy your culture but i'm going to do everything that will destroy your
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culture and indicate that i hate you right this i will be the guy who opens the gates to the barbarians
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and i'll tell you no i'm not that what's the problem no amount of cognitive dissonance will
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make any difference no anyway so uh he says for two decades i've argued for controlling immigration
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and successive governments including jacobs increased it so yeah i'm sure you have uh suddenly
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i've woken up in a land where everyone wants to manically wants to reduce or even reverse it and
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they've leaped frog me into a pool of dark resentment nigel farage is mocked as a dimmy for
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appointing a muslim chair to his party and looks nervous of his own supporters even labor has turned
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on the sentencing council which for all its faults was trying to fix a genuine racial disparity see
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what i mean like fixing racial disparities is not the job of justice in this country right the job of
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justice in this country is to make sure that criminals get what they deserve right there's the
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reason he says it's black people who tend to get longer sentences than whites not the other way around
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okay well let's ask about recidivism right let's ask about repeated criminality who is more likely to
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be a repeated criminal and therefore incur a longer sentence due to their past history of crime
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right it's just the statistics i'm not trying to say that one group's good and one group's bad
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what i'm saying is this is why you're getting these effects if one group doesn't have a
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particular history of recidivism in their community and the other group does well then
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you can expect differential outcomes because that's what justice requires a difference in treatment
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because of what that person has done what they deserve is what justice is not
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making sure that black and white sentences are exactly equal that's not justice and in fact that
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can be that can be deliberate injustice actually but that's why kirstama let out a load of people
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and then locked up the southport writers it's about social justice justice is supposed to be
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colorblind actually yeah it's supposed to be blind to all the things the personification of justice is
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always a woman with a sword and scales with a blindfold yeah exactly um so they rip that blindfold off and
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make sure you discriminate against the whites yeah okay weird weird you guys don't say nearly
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200 000 youtubers have watched an interview given to louise perry by david betts a professor of
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conflict studies in king's college london betts argues that conditions for a failed state will
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ordinarily ordinarily apply overseas now found here frayed social contract failing trust polarization
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into this mix britain injected multiculturalism encouraging millions to move here without expecting
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integration if you think fear of the other is a human instinct the policy was mad to begin with
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okay why do we do this then why do the conservatives sign off on this because they're a bunch of wet
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libs themselves over the past 30 years liberal institutions uh sorry he says combine it with
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other economic decline and you invite ethnic competition over services and jobs yeah and this
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is where we are right i grew up in a post-colonial world where we said i don't see race and honestly
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if naively meant it that's great you the white liberals honestly naively meant it and so what you
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did is imported people who were not white liberals who didn't say it didn't honestly and sincerely mean
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it and you thought that they would just get along exactly the same as the rest of us
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this hasn't happened you are a fool you've all been fools and you've inflicted this not only on me
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which is fine i'm 45 years old i don't really need your protection but you've inflicted it on my
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children you inflicted this on my grandchildren when i have them you've inflicted this on future
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generations this is going to age very badly is what i'm saying right so anyway i'm going
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to carry on because this is just remarkable right so he says uh over the past 30 years
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liberal institutions have taught us to see race again by stressing the wonders of diversity so
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persistently that some white people feel the state has actively taken a side against them it's only
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because they seem to just do nothing but praise minorities and condemn the majority uh ancient
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binding concepts such as equality before the law ring hollow the latest police race action plan
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openly rejects the principle of treating everyone the same in favor of equality of police outcomes
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a situation in which millions believe the cops are not impartial public servants but an occupying force
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is the headline metric of state failure mainland britain has become ulster in fact the low level
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insurgency has already begun ireland has seen arson at asylum hotels last year britain had riots
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why did number 10 insist that so many be thrown into jail betts notes that while islamic terrorism
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is more lethal than far-right terrorism there are only 4 million muslims whereas there are around 50
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million whites where the latter group radicalized things were the latter group radicalized things
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might go south very fast hence some in the security forces clearly regard white britons as the
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emergent threat betts sees no solution so suggests we prepare for anarchy i'm more concerned about fascism
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yeah was that the take am i getting it wrong no that's worried about civil war but he's worried
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about the reaction to civil war's coming i'm worried about fascism amazing amazing take
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is fascism one of the top 10 priorities that you have in the country are you afraid of fascism
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i'm trying to take it all in i'm thinking gosh like yeah no i mean
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what can i say um no i haven't been i i see there was one thing where he did say where he did say
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that i think growing up when i was younger this is what i was just staring at it like really like that
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trying to figure out what he meant but i feel like when i grew up um my mom's from the philippines
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no like he says there no one really did see race but i do think the last few decades it's really
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really been pushed on us um to notice it and as you said my mom wanted to um be part of british
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culture she didn't want to take her own culture she didn't want to stay in a group with all filipinos
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and then do their own things she wanted to integrate into society and because they keep
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on going on about diversity and we must accept this we must accept that people have gone into
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their own little uh you know communities and they don't integrate and it has made a noticeable difference
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and then we're being pushed by the media by music by entertainment to look at everybody's race and
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color and try and celebrate everything except white people that i do you know i i do think
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it's being pushed so that it is more noticeable now yeah it's very very much so and so his concern
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is fascism rather than the dispossession of the british from their own country it's very very often
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the case that you read in mainstream media in the mail online or something like that on telegraph
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something that seems that it's being reasonable and honest and truthful with what's going on
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and then at the end the twist is but the right is the problem yeah i mean that's literally this
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you remember the clashes between pakistanis and indians in leicester yes a year or two ago and
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you remember in the end they it all stopped and they uh the violence stopped and they managed to all
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agree that let's not let edl types get involved they were they're really that was really the problem
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from the beginning wow did really how was that and it's the same it's like when you go into london
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you see the palestine flags flying everywhere and then you see the ukraine flags everywhere and
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everyone's swinging those around but you take you take the british flag or you take the saint george's
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and you you know you're this far right bigger yeah it's mad to me it's exactly like you know i i
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remember um one of my friends she's american and she came with american friends they were going to have
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a little tour around the tower of london i think they were going somehow going into the houses of parliament
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and they had their little british flags that they bought from um uh one of those little shops where
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you buy souvenirs and they were told like you can't bring them in you have to leave them outside
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you can't bring and they couldn't understand it because americans fly their american flags they're
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all patriotic you know they were doing a little tongue-in-cheek things with their little flags um with
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their british flags um but they yeah it's it so it was mad and it was crazy to them and it's crazy to
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me that you know because i see the ukrainian flags everywhere around the palestine flags and the
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palestine flags it's horrible it's symptomatic of a of a deep deep problem in society that that that's
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the case so he's just we'll finish on this uh one thing here because this is just fascinating right so he
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says i'm more concerned about fascism we're not far away from a politician running for office as
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explicitly anti-muslim well we've got five who are explicitly muslim we've got five mps who are
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explicitly muslim they like they ran on the pro-palestine platform they want airports in mirpur
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they are explicitly and avowedly muslim and that's why they were elected is it a surprise that you're
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going to get people who are anti-muslim and is it wrong that you would get people who are anti-muslim
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because he said i'm really worried about sectarianism coming to britain we've got five sectarian mps
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already is it any wonder that the native population might be like oh right we need our own sectarian
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mps and dozens more that are sympathetic exactly yeah like so yeah fascism as well just really quick
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to say the actual word fascism it's so far removed from like reform let's say or reclaim yeah or something
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or david curtain it's like you're not using the word right it's not fascism no it's nothing nothing
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right it's barely nationalism but anyway yeah anyway uh ramshack lot says uh in 2011 each disabled child
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of cousin marriage cost 250 000 pounds per year to the taxpayer
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it's not just the nhs is it it's the homes that they need to have the special cars the special schools
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sometimes if the parents don't drive a taxi service and drivers there's a there's a lot just an endless
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list of costs scanline says that uh reform is basically giving people their last hopes for
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change and it's i think that's true um the thing is i don't think nigel farage is the guy i don't think
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he i don't think he's got the stomach for the trousers no he doesn't he's he's he's deeply afraid of
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being called racist but the thing is he was he was calling you racist at the last conference he was
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spouting exactly that stuff about being essentially colorblind yeah saying be colorblind just accept
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endless people and don't worry about really what they think and you don't ask them can you get the
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muslim community colorblind if you can't and that's off the table isn't it yeah you know it's got to be
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reciprocal and if it's not reciprocal then it's not going to happen anyway let's uh let's move on okay
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let me just uh get my document sorted all right so people that watch this podcast know that i quite
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often do history themed content uh science and space themed content or international relations
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stuff i'll probably do the most stuff about ukraine or israel and palestine uh so i feel like we need
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to talk about south korea today okay because overnight or yesterday in south korea at least there was sort
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of a big relatively big thing happened do you remember back in december last year that the there was a
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story coming out of south korea that their president had uh used martial law yeah he'd used soldiers to
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pack their their parliament building yeah the inside uprising yeah he kind of what he dipped his toe in
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the rubicon that was a mistake because the incel uprising yeah go and give me your take on that
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one as i understand it south korean society is deeply riven uh between uh feminism and men
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right uh and there's a massive problem with uh single people uh the fact that people aren't in
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south korea the birth rate is catastrophically low yeah the lowest of all time yeah and probably all
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history and yeah just the lowest a country has ever had and that one of the main political sort of
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issues is feminism versus men's rights in south korea and the men are deeply deeply right-wing
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uh and on the pro-man side and the women are deeply deeply left-wing and on the pro-woman side
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and so basically it's feminist versus incels uh and this this guy lent heavily into that for his
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campaign i believe and uh got the the man vote and he seems to have dipped his toe in the rubicon
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decided he's not going to go all the way and now he's getting chewed out right yeah i understand it
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yoon suk yield is his name you know everyone just called him yoon yeah um so yeah there's that element to
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it i suppose just mentioned that quite early on then that yeah the the birth rate in south korea
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is not just sort of low or sort of notice that that's like sort of below average it's uh it's
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crazily low um the lowest of any country in the world and you can argue but i've seen people say
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it may be the lowest of all time uh because you know modern societies for whatever reasons
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post-industrial ones um it's sort of yeah so i think in seoul it's sort of 0.5 so for every four
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women there's one baby ball but what's driving the feminists and driving the incels like what's
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getting into their minds it's a big thing isn't it that's a massive question
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because it plays out to a lesser extent all over the west doesn't it japan's got a problem with it
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um in fact even third world countries where uh birth rates used to be a lot higher they're lower
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they're like in india 100 years ago you'd have like 12 kids and infant mortality only half of them
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live but whatever and now they're about the same as we used to be in the 50s so yeah anyway anyway
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um i was going to talk more just about the straight up sort of parliamentary politics of this thing so
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when that happened back in december um it took everyone by surprise and it really did and i'll get
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into that in a moment um and uh i was fascinated by it uh my first the first take that came out on
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twitter is that this based right-wing leader has uh has sort of stood up to the commies and used
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martial law to uh stop sort of commies from taking over so i just tweeted i can't remember exactly what
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i tweeted but i was like you go he's our boy smash the commies or something like that and almost
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immediately people were tweeting going no that's not really what's going on uh it's not really what's
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going on i was like okay i actually don't know much about modern south korean politics i'll step
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back and then i was just waiting for over the following days and weeks and months i've been
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reading around it since then i was waiting for the explanation of it what did happen that day what
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was going on there and the answer to it really is it's sort of still not exactly unclear we know
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what's happened because there's been investigations but it is sort of an seems like an odd kind of odd set
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of events um so sort of let's go through it because yesterday or last night our time what
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happened was he has been removed from office all right and it went through all sorts of appeal
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processes and finally it ended up with their supreme court but you can play this if you want samson on
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silent just as a background um um finally their version of the supreme court upheld his impeachment
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removal from office the whole nine yards so he's done i mean he's already done really his
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political career was already done anyway but now it's formally rubber stamped you're done and so
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they get they've got to have uh new elections there general election there in the next 60 days
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the government has fallen the full shebang um don't ever just dip your toe in the rubric on
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if you're thinking about it you've got to wade through it that's good advice to any would-be
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autocrats out there it's great advice it's just historically correct you've got to go full bore or don't
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bother exactly go big or go home or if you're going to do this i i'm completely against uh
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military youngsters yeah yeah let's make that clear for the record on a technical point you know
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you've got to go the whole way there's the his uh political enemies the jumping in shouting in
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the streets when the news came through from the pride flags that he's gone um yeah right they're
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exactly global isn't it yeah no no that's exactly is it's western ideology has completely destroyed
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south korea and these are his supporters they're upset uh because because now not only is he sort
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of you know completely down in politics uh he will be open to criminal prosecution and he's going to be
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prosecuted for um insurrection don't don't forget that that's basically the trajectory adolf hitler
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followed yeah oh yeah so it's not necessarily over right okay a lenient judge will give him two and
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a half years maybe he'll serve eight months he'll be out again he'll have got five years didn't he
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yeah yeah but yeah yeah you know he might write a book in prison who knows lots of people do their
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best writing in prison i keep telling myself yeah didn't she didn't she do that as well lots of people
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yeah yeah and so you know just just saying 10 years later is the the the the fuhrer of germany so
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maybe i don't we don't know that it's over for no i'm joking um if he does get found guilty of
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insurrection he could get life imprisonment um at the very least probably a very long custodial
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sentence so this dude is in deep ships right now so my language but he's uh yeah he tried something
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extrajudicial and lost he didn't really try very hard oh yeah it was over within six hours
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so so okay let's try and tell the story a little bit so um i mean south korea ever since the war
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world war ii i mean has been a fantastic success story uh economically uh after world war ii they
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obviously the japanese uh invaded and occupied them during world war ii after world war ii in the late
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40s at least they were just like any other third world far eastern country um and by the 70s or
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certainly by the 80s they were one of the richer societies and by the 90s in the 2000s um if you
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measure it by per capita per household per house gdp per capita they're one of the richest countries in
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the world uh they're like sort of just below japan way above china they're up there with sort of france
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and stuff yeah so it's uh economically speaking it might not last forever but economically speaking
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it's sort of a crazy success story the miracle on the hand they called it so that so that's a thing
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to mention so with two generations ago they're one of the poorest countries in the world and now they're
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one of the the richest so that's quite a thing and they do heavy industry lots of um electronics you
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know cutting edge stuff i've heard it called the republic of samsung so one of the things in
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south korean society is that um there's sort of various cabals of families that own big corporations
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and that the corporations are heavily embedded almost like some sort of symbiotic relationship
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with the government and for a long time they had all through the 60s and 70s they had a sort of
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democracy light sort of autocracy sort of thing that park guy i know a bit about that and um so anyway
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they've used martial law a number of times since the war so 17 or 18 times not since the 80s i believe
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so it's in their past a lot that the government might just call in the army to settle something
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politically uh i would say that south korean politics has always been say always since the
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war let's say has been tumultuous sounds say the least right uh but it's been relatively calm over
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the last decade or two but anyway so this new guy gets in about two years ago but he didn't have
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he didn't have the majority in their legislature so he's always he's always like uh an uphill fight as
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a leader we don't ever suffer from that in in britain or hardly ever just the way our parliamentary
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system is i think uh having said that uh like uh john major right at the end had a majority of one
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or i think he had a majority of zero right at the end so that's the closest we will ever get to it
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so we never really sort of don't have to deal with that very often anyway um but so he's got all
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these ideas and people were saying that he's so i had to sort of clear the decks when i've wanted to
00:45:28.460
get into this and understand this it's quite often the way when you uh read about the new history thing
00:45:32.860
that you don't know about already just try and clear the decks try and clear your mind forget about
00:45:37.100
your preconceptions and whatever you're reading try and make keep in mind whether it's propagandized
00:45:42.540
from one side or the other just try and get to the facts so that's what i've tried to do there's
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anyone out there in the comments if i get anything factually wrong please do let us know um so he's
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been branded just sort of like far right the far right guy um doesn't seem to me uh far right at all
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apart from this martial law thing but we'll get into that in a moment but um so there is sort of
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broadly speaking a left-right schism in in south korean politics but even that is not really the
00:46:10.780
right way to describe it but uh so he was a prosecutor before he got into power and particularly he is a
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prosecutor many prosecutors a good way to do that to be successful is to be extremely headstrong
00:46:26.140
you know know what is right and wrong and don't allow yourself to be diverted by politics really
00:46:32.620
all that much and go and do the thing well that doesn't that sort of thing doesn't really work
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when you become the leader of a whole country you need to be a coalition builder yeah you need to be
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sort of charismatic and popular yeah right there's the parallel there is that i know yeah i just it
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just occurred to me um so yeah when he started ruling sort of he wasn't listening to people in his
00:46:54.060
own party started picking fights against factions in his own party yeah um sort of refused to work
00:47:00.060
with the opposition okay who had the majority you've still got the majority in their version of the
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parliament yeah um so he wasn't he was the first thing from a coalition builder um and he's very
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very unpopular with the electorate like had a super low approval rating right in the 20s
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and it just seems to me that there was just sort of a one-upmanship between him and the opposition
00:47:26.780
party of uh sort of becoming more and more unwilling to work with each other um because
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where he would sort of refuse to work with them where they've got the majority again not quite two
00:47:37.820
thirds but if they get some from his party which they were getting they can just he was vetoing
00:47:42.140
everything they were trying to do and they were vetoing everything he was trying to do a question
00:47:45.500
is this kind of a law fair thing like we've been seeing in europe france romania is this kind
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of a you or was he a bad leader or is this kind of like left using what they've been using you know
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in the west to go after the right the guy on the supposedly on the right though i don't know how right
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he is if he is doing martial law and you know i feel like keir might pull that tactic out at some
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point boris who did it to us yeah right yeah well both those things i think he's genuinely unpopular
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with the people and even within his own party he's got a strong faction of loyalists
00:48:21.980
but both he is genuinely unpopular and the whole lawfare thing so yeah the lawfare thing in south
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korea totally has been playing out over the last year or more so he tried to they his side of the
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aisle tried to bring prosecution against the leader of the opposition tried to get him arrested for
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like corruption and stuff they tried to do the same back they got dirt on his wife there was all
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sorts of scandals with his wife like she was accused of plagiarism she was accused of corruption
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and various other things so they tried being a man though like that wasn't the the regime before
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this guy like a weird feminist cult i'm not not sure if i go that far but yeah i mean they're the
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other side of the aisle yeah but the the previous one was some some sort of weird sort of like i don't
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know just this it like i looked it up and it just seemed like some weird feminist cult was in control of
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south korea before this guy so i i won't but they were the leftist side of the equation so yeah
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rainbow flag waving she was impeached for something as well wasn't she for corruption or something yeah
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well the corruption in south korea is pretty it's pretty bad i mean it's bad in britain i'm not saying
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we're perfect i don't think but um yeah so uh they yeah they they stopped working with each other
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trying to veto each other at all every turn and then the lawfare thing throw the lawfare thing on top
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both sides doing it to each other um and so yeah they're and all the while the country's going to
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pop again sound familiar yeah it does yeah um so very so in the end like they're refusing to the
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other side were refusing to sort of let his budget go through so he's sort of uh not lame duck isn't
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quite right but he's just kind of powerless they've pulled his legs out from under him politically
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okay um okay so now there's this headstrong guy so he started um putting all his own loyalists in
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all the top because you can still rule to some degree through sort of presidential fiat you still
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do sort of um special uh special um what's the equivalent executive orders type stuff and he was
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removing lots and lots of people at the in all the key places in the government with just basically his
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friends from school like quite literally that jamie get in there yeah like i know you'll be loyal to
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me to the end so you're the defense secretary now or whatever kind of like that also stab you with the
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compass it's kind of everyone in south korea is just looking on like really he's doing this really
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it's like it's nothing exactly illegal yet but so so anyway we got up to december last year
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and apparently it did come out of the blue that he ordered martial law it wasn't like the other side
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did this one thing and that was a tipping point and he was reacting to specifically this last thing
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where they've tried to like they raided his home or something and his response to it was martial law
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no it sort of came out of nowhere in fact he was on record as saying even my wife doesn't know i was
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going to order this today on that day um and but apparently in south korean politics it's sort of
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it's always on the cards it's always the worry it's like whenever anyone is looking too strong
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or too authoritarian it's always in in the papers immediately oh he might he might call martial law
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he might call martial law i've got another question so the incels and the feminists are they on the
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right or the left like i mean like the incels on one side and the feminist or are those the kind of
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two together versus this guy well it's a good question at this point it seems like most people don't
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like him now after this incident in december a lot of his supporters were like yeah that is that is
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bad like what you're doing dude that's political suicide now territory so yeah you're right um it
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would the incel side would be the right leaning because i'm trying still trying to figure it out
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after what is exactly incels are because i know it's like involuntary celibate but
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how does that like how i don't understand how that is in the real world if it's just a name that
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these like because for example in uh adolescence they're throwing it around about a 13 year old
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well like yeah it's every what so what does it actually like really mean i don't that's what i
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don't understand it's a smear isn't it really it is smear it's a nothing word smear no no it's it's
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referring to uh those men who want wives but can't get them right so are not for whatever
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reason attractive to women and so they can't find a woman who will go out with them okay okay
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but it's become much broader than that now hasn't it like well if it can be applied to 13 year olds
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i was like is it a name or is it like the way i get called far right which i'm absolutely not or i get
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called a granny killer or uh you know i mean i i don't know if they call like you know people like us far
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right i mean okay but that means that being far right is all of the correct and good things yeah
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so this is what reviews me and then they talk about incel culture and then they said about like
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you know that i keep referring it's so off topic going back to that show but then they mentioned
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how do you take who's like the opposite of he's not celibate he's mentally in cell culture so i'm like
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what is it doesn't really make sense it doesn't need to make sense anymore it's like that thing of
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or you live in your grandma's basement it's like you they don't think you actually literally do
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i love mine it's just like you're an incel you're an incel and you still live in your mum's basement
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it's like okay okay now i get it now because yeah i was like i was taking it literally which i
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which i probably shouldn't they tend to they tend to just use it as a kind of a catch-all phrase for
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anyone who is broadly concerned about issues that men face that women don't face right right which is
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which is why jordan peterson is an incel even though he's a yeah wow okay i didn't see it i'm
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so behind this is how andrew tate becomes an incel even though he's a profligate woman
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they use it to mean anyone who's concerned about men's issues wow okay no it's good to know that
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because i think you're i think that's how i've been hearing it but i've been so confused it's not
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it's not straightforward yeah nothing is there's everything's inverted now i should have known
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classic commie double speak double think doesn't have to make literal sense anymore in the interest
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of time though yeah okay so uh yeah he he it's always a thing in south korean politics uh that
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it's a worry that some guy will hark back to the bad old days of the 70s or the 80s where
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and they'll call him martial law um and so anyway he did it i guess they just pushed each other too
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far he and they're both accusing each other of sort of being dictatorial he's accusing them of what
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was it called like anti-state activities that does sound quite right-wing actually anyway like you're
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you're guilty you're guilty it could be communist as well he was he said that he's accusing them of um
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in all sorts of ways being uh puppets for the north koreans or for communists for actual communists
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um i think that's probably not true and that's a massive exaggeration and a coat not inclined to
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give them the benefit of the doubt fair enough fair enough uh he's saying they're guilty of he's
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calling them sort of um in in a legislative sense dictators are you they're not sort of letting him
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get on with the business of governance and they're they're just calling him just a straight up
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uh autocrat or dictator that you're just replacing all the people in the government with your friends
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you're not listening to uh the rest of the government um and so they're both accusing each
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other it's a classic thing isn't it they're both accusing each other the same sort of crimes and so
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in the end he obviously decided that enough is enough and he's going to try to impose martial law
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sort of old school 1980s style and even do apparently apparently um he had a plan to do sort of mass
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political arrests not of sort of normal people but of members of the opposition party like the leader
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of the opposition and key members in the opposition all that sort of thing so macron was like you can't
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do that yeah so he pulled the trigger on this and it only lasted overnight sort of six hours before
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the their version of parliament their legislature got together got a quorum just enough to sort of reverse
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it and he was sort of forced at that point he could either come mask off and say no guys military
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guys start shooting now or he could back down and he he backed down just like boston
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if you're gonna cross the rubicon yeah don't go up to the rubicon if you're not gonna cross it
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yeah yeah like i said don't don't cross rubicons don't storm parliaments or anything like this
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because there was at one point he was going to get the soldiers to sort of close the doors
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on the the legislature so they can't physically get in form a quorum and pass something that was sort of
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the key moment if they were going to start using real force to start shooting their equivalent of MPs
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it could have happened then but he just didn't and he backed down and within days it had been fully
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reversed and he'd been well so at first they tried to impeach him and it failed but then they just
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tried again like a week later and it passed and so he was sort of um they had to have an interim
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leader for a while and then it's gone through the process of all sorts of appeals and counter appeals
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that's over the that's what's been happening over the last few months and so now yesterday finally
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the final rubber stamp was that yes you you are you argue you are impeached you are guilty of
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sort of abusing power and not only that you're guilty of almost certainly of insurrection
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um are you using force i mean he does seem guilty of it yeah it seems obviously guilty of it yeah
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does seem that way um so that's what happened last night i think it's sort of uh just worth um
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pointing out because south korea is still an important person in the region
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it is sort of an important uh country rather in the region um and just economically um is important
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so to see it basically implode because it's not happened before imagine that if our actual
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prime minister or the king was he's going to be prosecuted and spend the rest of his life in prison
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it's not a small thing um i wouldn't mind if it was starma though yeah i'll take it
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it wouldn't be that bothered if it was king charles i've been openly calling for these people
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everyone from blair onwards yeah base prosecution but um so it's that has actually played out in
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south korea um so okay i thought that was a fairly big development last night so uh got a couple of
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comments here for you bo which are interesting uh so terribly wrong no no no um i'm gonna skip a
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little bit sorry um south korean politics will never unify they are split into two camps one one side
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is pretty much communist sympathizers that push feminism and want the us to leave and the other
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side uh but the opposition actively call for reunification with north korea and the expulsion
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of the us from south korea uh as we're passing budgets that intentionally weaken the military they
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are north korean agents so okay entirely entirely possible they're just uh bog standard quick takes
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on that yes some people say their opponents say exactly that and their defenders say it's nothing of
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the sort i think it's somewhere in between i don't think the leader of the south korean opposition is
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uh sort of literally a puppet exactly a puppet of pyongyang or anything but yeah the communist
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sympathizers certainly on the plus side though the north koreans can just play the long game on this
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right but the north koreans are like we're going to have children and then one day in about 50 years
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time our grandchildren is going to walk into south korea and find it abandoned it's literally just
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going to happen right another big thing say which i didn't say during the segment was the the
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relationship with the us is a is a massive thing yeah everyone on the left uh hates it and everyone
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on the right loves it and uh because that goes back to the war as well um and the amount of american
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aid that has been pumped in south korea in order to defeat the north is astronomical and so that's a
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big thing that defies society right down the middle as well everyone on the left hates america which
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is why they're flying pro flags anyway so let's talk about the concept of prejuvenation because
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this is something i have noticed and many other people have noticed as well as uh this redditor
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asks has anyone else noticed a large uptick in women around them with very obvious lip filler
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especially girls as young as 20 and that's a that's a very very strange thing to me right it's really
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strange to me and it's really scary actually because um well if you think about it if you pump it you're
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pushing stuff in your lips when it's that stuff eventually dissolves it's gonna leave you with
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saggy skin so they have to keep going back and getting it done getting it done it's like creating
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more customers and then i've seen some people probably like my age or younger in mid 40s younger
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it's like getting surgery on their lips to like let get a lip lift to lift up the sagginess that's
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been caused by this lip filler and i don't think they realize how big their lips just going pumper
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and pumper and plumper here's a picture earlier i saw it really looked like a baboon's bottom it was
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like you know and i don't know i don't know what's happening or what's driving well i think it's social
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media driving it i don't think it's men that want it i mean you tell me or oh yeah tell me like
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as a man this is not in any way appealing to me at all i've never once thought in my life
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oh she could do with lip filler i've never thought that no young men what about young men in their
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20 like are they driving it because i don't understand i can't believe i can't even once just to see
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do you know what to admit i did something really stupid i did have a bit when i was probably in my
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30s it was a disaster i think i must have had an allergic reaction disaster like i do not touch my
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face now i've learned um and also botox as well botox is what paralyzes can you explain the difference
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to me okay so lip filler um or any kind of filler a dermal filler like they'll fill their lips or if
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they've got like lines here or you know uh no i don't know about crow's feet but i think lines here
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or sagginess in the cheeks they want cheekbones it's like a filler so it plumps it up um and it
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actually fills it with i don't know i don't know what it is but it fills it to give it volume and make
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it bigger botox is a bacteria it's actually botulism so you're injecting and then what you'll sound very
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no it's really stupid so you're injecting botulism say into your forehead or your crow's feet or your
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frown line so you can tell i don't have them because what it does is it paralyzes the muscle
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so the botulism is going to paralyze you so that's why they have these like blank faces that don't move
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because all these muscles are paralyzed so real and then what happens is is your immune system obviously
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has to fight it so then you get like you grow immunity to it so that you need more and you need
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more in a shorter space of time and a lot of people like here it says um about uh the botox being used
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because they think it's going to stop wrinkles in the future but actually if you think about it if you
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paralyze a muscle the muscle atrophies so that muscle's no longer strong and holding your skin
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so you do start getting more wrinkles so you need more and more and then i feel like you know the
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younger these girls start like you see here like in their 20s and 30s then everything really starts to
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go wrong when their fillers dissolve or the botox wears off so you see i've seen people my age getting
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facelifts and it's mental to me it's completely and utterly crazy and that's full-on you know surgical
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facelifts yeah i didn't know that about botox what that really was well yeah that seems to me
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quite extreme really to paralyze the muscles in your face for a short-term yeah gain as it seems
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quite an extreme thing i mean i think people well they're sold the story it's going to stop their
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muscles like you know moving so that the lines never develop but as i said they've you know the
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muscles are atrophy and then you've got weaker muscles and make it worse it's going to make it
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i mean apparently according to the guardian uh in 2022 27 of the u.s patients receiving botox
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were 34 or younger and so this is a growing cohort over time so that's you know more than a quarter of
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people even getting this are young and you see it though you can see it's very obvious because they
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have like that blank you know this you know they don't smile with their eyes anymore or there's not
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really an expression you know like you know warm you know the warm kind expression with a smile it
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just becomes a little dead um yeah it's horrible you can see it at a glance quite often if it's a bad
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case anyway um i don't know if you're getting onto this but is it just vanity is it pure vanity do you
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think well we've got the uh example of uh one woman called clara gasper here who wrote last year
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why she's at 26 getting botox why so many young women are following suit so let's let's find out
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shall we she says 10 years ago at the age of 16 i noticed my first wrinkle 16 noticing wrinkles yeah
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i doubt it well maybe i mean your face moved when you smiled yeah exactly that's not a wrinkle
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like trust me i know uh you know she uh she says you know it disappear when i relax my face but i
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took it as a disturbing sign the inevitable aging process had already begun a couple of years later
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i noticed other another line beginning to develop then another now i have six or seven crow's feet
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depending on how wide i'm grinning as well as several horizontal lines on my forehead i fixated on
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them when i look when i look back at beaming photos it's like that's crazy to me because like
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there's nothing wrong with having a face right yeah expression that moves yeah you know i think
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a lot of people don't realize i think it can be a bit of dehydration as well like if you're not
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drinking enough water if you haven't got moisture on your skin a lot of that you know it's just like
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when a when a leaf's a little bit dry it kind of goes a bit wrinkled up but but for these people to be
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mike a little bit closer oh sorry so for these people to be um fixating on that at such a young
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age is quite crazy and maybe it's to do with filters you know all these social media filters
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that make everybody all very very smooth but they don't know what people look like in real life
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and they've forgotten what they should look like in life so i i find this really fascinating she says
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i used to observe this process with fascination rather than horror but now age 26 the grand old age of
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26 i'm ready for those creases to stop multiplying it's like right okay i've got some bad news for you
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you've got to come to terms with the fact you're not gonna look like a youthful kid anymore yes and
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that's literally all this boils down to the desire to arrest this current moment in their appearance
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forever it's like no that's not how the world works you know you're gonna have to get used to the
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fact that you change uh luckily i just got more handsome most people that's not the case it's bad
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it seems like an actual pathology and i guess it affects lots and lots of people particularly women
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uh i feel really sorry for them yeah you know that thing um quite often you see on twitter or just on
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the internet it's like look at this this actor or actress in the 80s and look at them now it's like
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yeah they got older yeah decades past yeah you get older yeah i mean it's easy for me to say because
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i realized i was going bald really early i was 16 or 17. my hairline's going um by the time i'm like
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18 or 19 just i just come to terms with it and i've had extremely short hair as a child it was no
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problem just to shave my head for me i just come to terms with it and get over it but that's and it's
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easy for me to say that but if you for whatever reason can't get over it can't deal with the fact
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you've got a wrinkle now i'm sorry for this is the point isn't it like you you're like okay i've
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moved to a new stage of my life you know this is i i've become a different person i've grown older and
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i've you know there are stages in your life that you move through as you know you'd be a young person
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to an adult sort of you know sort of patriarch to a sort of grandfather you know and the the sort of
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pre-modern interpretation of a human life is that you'll occupy all of these stages and so you need
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to be prepared for all of these but actually we live in a culture that doesn't have any guidance
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for men or women as they grow older and it just kind of says no no we're only going to fixate on
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you in your 20s and so you better hope like you're staying like that forever because everything after
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that's bad and i also think there's a big pharmaceutical push as well because these are
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all pharmaceutical products and i i mean i've never researched to see what this industry makes
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but i can guarantee it's bill it got to be billions it's 3.6 billion there you go last year and is that just in
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the uk or is that that's just that's just that's not even america so and then we're watching all these
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american actresses or tv stars and then you're seeing and even when i did the housewives of cheshire
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they'd love to show the women having procedures done i mean i didn't do it but that would be
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you know part of the thing someone's getting their cheeks i mean this is the most disgusting one i've
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watched on there someone getting their cheeks threaded to pull their cheeks up they literally put
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threads in it's so disgusting and pull their face up with these threads and you know that
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every season somebody's off getting injected with something or other or having come some kind of
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surgery um and then even on my um instagram so i'm assuming this must be the same for young girls on my
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instagram because they've taken off the hashtag feature where i could choose what i want to see they
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give me suggestions and for some reason they keep giving me facelift suggestions let me get horrible
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let me get back to that because that's interesting how you bring that up right so she uh she says uh
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until a few years ago i considered botox an ill-advised treatment reserved for older women that could leave
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you with a frozen rather startled expression but after seeing plenty of people my age who have had it and
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honestly look great i've changed my mind it's okay i'm sure that you know when you're 26 years old you can do
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these things and in the moment they look fine but as things change as you pointed out this is going
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to have a long-term detrimental effect but she says some will wonder why on earth young people without
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wrinkles want stick needles in their face they'll blame extreme vanity or intense insecurity but to
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them i say try growing up with instagram in your pockets in an age where filtered photos and clever
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plastic surgery make it seem like the signs of aging are optional it's no wonder that i like many
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of my contemporaries feel pressure to preempt or ravages of time you're exactly right it is the
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fact that it's instagram again this is one of those okay you know social media bad for boys you know
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adolescents i agree now let's talk about whether it's good for girls and actually this is kind of
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demented but the 26 year i was like you know what i'm too old i need to fix my face no it's crazy and
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when you see like i said these things popping up on your instagram with the fillers but then you see
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um you'll see somebody on tv and you'll see their filtered program but what their filtered pictures
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on instagram but when you actually see them say in a paparazzi picture you can see like all the lumps
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of filler where it's all migrated and then you know you've got kylie jenner she did so much at such a young
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age and she's looked at by so many people and so many you know girls that i guess it's kind of just
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being pushed and promoted and saying like this is and and and i see on one of the comments there
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it says um it's driven by women i just i think it is i think it is i don't think there's men driving
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this at all but i i think that we can take her a word from this saying look you know it's it's
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instagram it's social media i'm seeing all of this on social media and it's making it's putting
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it in my mind it's what i'm perceiving you know because if she was like running around a house chasing
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after her kids or something she wouldn't be thinking about this she'd be thinking about nappies right
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her algorithm like these these nappies be good or these wet wipes or whatever right it's it's about
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the life that she's leading and she's just on instagram looking at where and when you see like
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i've seen videos of the instagram models setting up photos they take like six hours to set one photo
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so every little thing and then they touch it with photoshop and stuff like that then they put it up and
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it's like that's got to be bad for women's self-perception it has to be bad because you will never just
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look like that normally and most men men aren't looking at these things either right so men aren't like
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getting a distorted opinion of what a woman should actually look like through instagram because we
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just like look at women but right that's a normal woman that's a normal one right i know what a
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woman looks like and so that's how my standards are calibrated you know so it's like this is something
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it seems that women are definitely doing to themselves yeah and i think a lot of the female
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influencers unless it's like maybe a bikini model or something but a lot of the female fashion
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influencers or beauty influencers are followed by women oh yeah they're not you know they're not
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followed they're not they're doing you know what i'm wearing and you know long outfits and stuff for
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guys it is for other women because they're getting paid to then get you know those their followers then
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go out and purchase the outfit so you know a culture of sort of fairly extreme vanity isn't healthy and i
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can't really relate to it because i'm like i'm not very mean person i'm like well i don't think i've
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ever taken a selfie in my life maybe once or twice because i had to for some reason for like
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a website needed a facial recognition or something um i just don't take selfies like i don't you see
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some people often women younger women you need to start taking selfies yeah um you see you often
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young women perhaps on the train and they're just looking at themselves on their phone oh yeah they're
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just endlessly just looking at themselves yeah i see it all the time right i've seen it i've seen it
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it all over the place in restaurants everywhere and it's not even the food anymore it's themselves
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in a restaurant um so people that take hundreds of selfies or just a regular thing part of their day
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is to take a few selfies or just to look at themselves in in a mirror or in a shop front
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just to i don't do that i've never done that i generation of narcissists i feel a fraud wearing
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loads and loads because i've got loads of makeup on because i'm on your podcast i'm like well i should
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show up respectable when i'm home on the farm i just my poor fiancee if i do my hair and put makeup
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on he he used to say oh you look nice what you're doing or now it's like what podcast are you going
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on because he knows i must be doing a podcast if i got makeup on so you know that's as far as it goes
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for me so uh i want to carry on a little bit this this is just fascinating she says and she makes a
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reasonably good argument as to the state of the culture as well right says we've uh we've grown up
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believing that it's normal to change things that you don't like about your appearance thinks too
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fat there's a jab for that nose too big get surgery as for botox it can only erase fine lines not deep
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wrinkles so why wait well this is why so many women my age are opting to get it before those
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age-betraying wrinkles have made themselves known and that's a fair point i mean we are exactly that
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kind of culture rather than promoting a lifestyle of virtue where you do exercise and you eat
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healthily and you take care of yourself for your own good and for others we instead say no you can
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just eat what you want and we will find a pill for that jab for that you don't have to change your
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lifestyle that's causing all of these negative effects uh we can just use science to fix it and
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so it's no surprise that they'd be like yeah okay well i'll do that since it's readily available and
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affordable uh and your point about the algorithm earlier she says in the process of researching botox
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treatments i clearly generated a brand new algorithm and every advert on instagram on my
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instagram account is now a before and after shot flogging aesthetic clinics near me while i like to
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think i can see through the apps attempts to exploit my insecurities i'm sure it's subconsciously tempting
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and again it people react to what they are constantly exposed to right see and i get the same kind of
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suggestions come up but sometimes i look at them in horror so i click because i'm like oh my god i've
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got to see this like it's horrific field you in yeah and they reeled me in and so that just makes
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your algorithm stronger so i think then i get more and what i've got to do is like however horrific it
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is or however drastic i've just got to say right no i'm gonna go and pick on some flowers or something
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some dogs or something else there's a rather large facebook group called the dull men's club i just like
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to credit them with keeping my algorithm clean whenever i'm i'm like no i don't want to see any more
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of that i go click on their page and i get very boring things like fixing shelves or something
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it is annoying when you click on something to hate watch it but then the algorithm thinks you want
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that now it's like no i clicked on check you go one time and now you and now you keep but you're you
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advocate that don't you just living healthy be healthy and eat healthy and you won't age because
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you're still very youthful looking right i don't know don't assume too hard i don't assume too over
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the top but like you should say you know eat healthy yeah and be healthy and you you won't
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age terribly you don't need surgery when you're 41 radical advice well this is it it's like you know
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it's not a vanity thing i just want a healthy body so i don't get sick and i don't get ill and i can
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keep pursuing all my hobbies and all the things that i love doing and um that's why i want to keep
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my body nice and healthy so i think eat well exercise well give yourself like the good the correct
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nutrition and correct amount of fluids and stuff and you know i think that helps when people here
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eat well what they hear i think is eat salads and it's like no you don't have to you can eat really
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nice food just not like deep fried junk exactly that's literally that simple seed oils because
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they have seed a massive tub of ice cream at 3am stop doing that for a start well i'm out let me
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but uh but anyway yeah the the lip filler as you pointed out uh definitely is causing a lot of
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damage and you can see these are obviously young women you know sort of 20 23 something like that
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and i mean just again just to be clear as a man there is nothing appealing about this it's unnatural
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isn't it it's clearly obviously at a glance unnatural yeah it's completely unnatural it's it you know if
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if my wife were like this doesn't make me want to kiss women you know this is
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you know kind of horrific don't do it don't agree with it don't think you should i don't
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think you're helping yourselves it looks like you've been smashed in the mouth you've got two
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fat lips yeah you know when you talked about me having my horse smack me around the face my lip
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ended up looking something like that on her on half the side one side yeah so uh we like they've
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spoken some doctors for this and they say quote we've seen patients with massive stream of
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complications such as infections bruising disfigured lips and necrosis uh where the
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flesh begins to eat itself dying yeah so the first the flesh yeah so i mean it's not good and uh
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perhaps most frightening of all some some studies show that too much botox can prematurely age you
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which is ironic right uh and various doctors uh from america who have done this sort of thing
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have said uh if you do too much botox in your forehead for many many years the muscles become
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weaker and flatter and makes the skin up in thinner and looser and so you're going to look
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rinkly right no no you are absolutely right i'm just like this pot of useless knowledge
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you are absolutely right in fact let's what's interesting as well is at the end
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of this one she kind of accepts that that's the case right and uh she says
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right at the bottom here here we go right so she says um admittedly my generation are
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baby botox guinea pigs uh we don't know what the long-term effects will be until it's too late
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we kind of do actually uh yeah i'm ashamed to say my concern pales into near insignificance
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each time i catch those pesky lines around my eyes if it's a case of look great now pay later so be it
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besides every day a new study of what article warns me that my diet coke obsession or sedentary job is
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shortening my lifespan what's an injection of profile well i don't think the issue is this
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going to shorten your lifespan is that by the time you're 35 when you could still be a very youthful
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looking attractive woman if you just have a nice healthy lifestyle uh you're going to look like an old
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crone and stuff like this does seem to me to border on uh minor like a pathology yeah that
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you've got there's a problem in your mind yeah about it exactly the problem is her perception of
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her lines your forehead as well of all things your forehead's supposed to be lined there's no way it
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won't be i don't understand this when like the male version would be like maybe body dysmorphia or
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something a guy gets obsessed with having massive calves or something weird it's like
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really that's the thing you're gonna you're gonna get all worried about is how big your
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calves are or whatever it is i mean i do have a bit of a paranoia about my forehead because i have an
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extremely wrinkly forehead as pointed out by one of the housewives of cheshire who i swear they were
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trying to get me to go and get oh thanks very much just a forehead though it's gotta be a dm by the
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way you've got a wrinkly forehead yeah thanks you know what you can definitely tell i can't hide my
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reaction to anything because i speak with my entire face but yeah but you know what if you
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look at madonna and roseanne bar i think that those are the two things like whoever thought
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when younger roseanne bar would look like a million times better than madonna but she really does
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madonna looks atrocious like it is grandma please stop yeah like it's gone yeah the youth is gone
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you are 65 or whatever it is it's like a demon yeah yeah genuinely it's just um that will be filler
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where it's been all like put in to reshape her face and yeah but anyway so we'll uh we'll we'll
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leave that there but basically ladies no one else notices your crow's feet or anything you know we
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don't care it's all in your minds uh don't get this done because you're burning up the future in in
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service of the present but you're gonna make you know you're gonna have like 10 good years say of
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being like youthful from like 26 to 35 or whatever uh but then you've got another 30 or 40 years of
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looking terrible it'll be a false economy yes completely you're but you're burning up the
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future for the benefit of the present the present doesn't last all that long anyway um
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ramshack lot says i wish i wish to put out that lip fillers and brazilian butt lifts
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what brazilian butt lift oh that's when i think you can get like a boob lift but for your butt no i
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think they inject like a filler in their bums there is something where you i mean i don't know because
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i would it's not whether they've i've seen where they put implants in and i've seen this woman turning
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her in butt implants round it was very disgusting i think that is i don't think they're meant to do that
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but i think brazilian things they inject their bottoms as well i don't know i've heard people
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have died from yeah but implants samson we haven't we haven't actually got time for the video comments
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today i'm afraid so apologies to the gold team members we'll do them tomorrow um uh rage quit
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ninja says uh most beauty stands for women are driven by other women to men cosmetics should
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compliment a woman's face not replace it well there is something to that i mean like if you look at the
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sort of like sydney sweeney types uh that's that's clearly not for other women uh her beauty standards
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samson american actress samson gets i think it's the same for men as well in terms of
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being uh built and buff and oh yeah the body's role it's like um dudes egg each other on to do that
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i think mainly so yeah beauty standards are clearly for men right yeah and that's fine that's totally
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normal you know that you you can tell the constituency she's appealing to uh the botox
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stuff and all that sort of stuff that's very clearly women yeah i think it's the same with
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men right i've never it is the same with the i've never had a girlfriend who said i insist you get
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bigger shoulders and pecs yeah right but in the gym it'll be dudes egging each other on for more reps
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get bigger get bigger eat big yeah it's men on men stuff yeah so it's just the same with women like
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you must have no wrinkles are women generally attracted to roided up muscle hulks i personally
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am not i'm not i've never met one at all but yeah not at all yeah that's yeah anyway so that's that's
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true uh race quit ninja says uh most beauty stands for women are red on uh that's a random name says
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as a 28 year old man i am eternally grateful to these insecure wenches for making it so easy to
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filter them out of the dating pool uh that's a good point that's a great point honest you're on a
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dating app and you can see someone with like a puffed up face swipe left i think that's how it
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works uh anyway george says uh i don't think there will be a proper civil war there are no two clearly
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defined sides other than the islamo leftists and normies trying to protect their kids the english
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still trust the state and institutions way too much for anything to erupt on a massive scale
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yeah and i think i i do think there's something to that i think that one of the reasons we're seeing
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these sort of like it's civil war coming articles is because in another country that wasn't britain
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well it'd be all over the streets right i mean they were like france they're constantly rioting
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and things like this whereas we're like not doing anything and so i think they're kind of
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are we in the eye of the storm or something you know you said earlier on the line that you surprised
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that there's not more anger more uprising that hasn't happened already yeah i remember in um 2005 with
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the 77 things i was caught up in that in a minor way i was surprised there was no repercussions
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then after the manchester arena after the endless revelations of the grooming gangs nothing and it's
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only after the southport thing that anything that's really ever happened right um it's surprised it is
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sort of surprising because again if you look at times gone by um at different places in the world but
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also britain in centuries past sometimes there'll be like one murder and the whole country and the
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whole country goes mad yeah i think the moore's murders right you know like that that's a kind
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of legendary event now you know it's a series of murders but it's not widespread i was thinking like
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in the medieval period like one kid gets murdered and and the whole community gets massacred oh well
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pogroms right yeah not always against jews could be against all sorts of things it could be against
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like the the dutch wool merchants we're gonna butcher the dutch wool merchants now because they did this one
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thing but what's crazy to me and which is why i think some of it's kind of pre-planned or orchestrated
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is that we saw more people getting out to the streets over you know george floyd which happened
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in america it's not even an english or british issue and we saw people going crazy over that and like
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where's that same passion for what's you know going on in our country by the british people yeah
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pierre stumber didn't bend the knee for the southport girls did he no yeah it is a remark the juxtaposition
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is remarkable between the george floyd incident and its repercussions and uh equivalence in the white
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community yeah i mean locking up for social media tweets i mean this is this is what's crazy to me that
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you know so many people have been put away for something they've said a lot of things weren't even that bad
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no a lot totally blown out of context a woman saying i don't care if they burn a mosque okay or
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a hotel okay not great but it's not incitement to violence it's a statement of indifference we
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mentioned i'd say for it's like the the thought police yeah they'll they'll come for you
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but i think this is so that's kind of why i'm sat on that problem reaction solution thing of do they
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actually want one to happen so that they really can have the thought police out there and put the thought
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police in place for more control the only the only objection i really have to that is it implies a
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level of cognant uh cognition and planning that i don't think they're capable of i don't think
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kistam is that smart i don't think angela rainer is that smart i don't think you know any any of the
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people in charge are actually bright enough to orchestrate some sort of 4d chess what about the people
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in those three letter acronym clubs like the w-e-f and and well just like in 1984 the way that picture
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is microphoned you know that bit where this is we are the dead and the thought police are just like
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you are the dead well that's everyone's phone edward snowden told us that whether it's gchq or the nsa
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they can if they want to they can just watch or hear everything that's in the earshot of your phone
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if they want to just like in 1984 they've bugged your room essentially well the ads definitely do
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yeah definitely do a million percent is the creepiest thing isn't it but the thing is right
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so i've had this where i've literally just had thoughts in my head right and i've i've literally
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been like watching something on tv or i've been doing something like didn't you know cooking dinner
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or something i had a thought oh that's an interesting thing maybe i'll look at that later i
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haven't said anything verbal i haven't spoken to anyone i haven't googled anything it's just a
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thought crossed my mind and then the next time i put my phone that thing will be on my phone i'm
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like right okay this is weird i've had that before it feels like i've had that before yeah and the
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only thing i can assume is that there's a kind of uh like a network of pattern that you're doing and
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so things that you've done it like increases the likelihood that you're going to have that thought
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so there's kind of a predictive element to it i can only assume that's it because i'm sure they're
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not reading my mind i actually think that is a possible thing because i actually watched a
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hypnosis a guy that does hypnosis um get somebody to draw a bit of art right and it was very similar
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to what he'd done but what he'd done is he picked the artist up drove the artist through certain places
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to give them prompts and so it was a very similar uh picture to what he'd put on like a bear and they
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pop zoo or something like that i can't quite nlp neuro linguistic programming yeah i can only assume
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just suggest things to people and then you know what they're going to think but say potentially
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yeah neuro linguistic programming it's uh yeah yeah no there's a whole field of study um and we'll
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we'll end on uh omar says all mps beside rupert lowe are completely out of touch because
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their preference that their only reference for public sentiment is the westminster bubble muslims don't
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need to be a significant portion of the electorate just westminster the tipping point was allowing
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foreigners to gain public office because nobody finds hannah for their corner than a usurper
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to be honest good point yeah um but he's he's actually right like the the perception of the
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politicians that muslims are everywhere but it's actually no they're not what are you talking about
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you know they're concentrated in a few towns and cities but anyway lalani where can people find more
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of you if they'd like to find um well i got thrown off instagram so um why oh i think it was
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for speaking games lockdowns showing how people have to walk into shops without masks oh i can see
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why they did that um but i am on there as lani dowd so half of my first name and half of my second
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name and then on twitter lalani dowding i thought i'm usually on there a lot more it's a bit more of
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like you're quite unforgiving with your tweets i'm a bit rude aren't i do you know i use as i need to
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rant i need to like i said to you i can't if i'm in a bad mood i don't want to ride my horses because
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they pick up on it so i just get everything out on twitter it's like a purge of my anger
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it's good i think it's funny yeah you're not taking any prisoners a lot of the time and i see
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this twitter i'm like oh bloody hell but my type i get typos because i don't know if you've seen the
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gif of permit the frog just like and that's me when i'm typing so there's a there's a few typos in
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there and i'm like shit now i got deleted it ruins everything doesn't it yeah i was gonna give it to
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them then i misspelled something so anyway go go follow lalani and uh we'll be back in half an
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hour with lads hour where we are playing ethno guesser which i'm sure will be fun and uncontroversial