The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1136

00:00:00.000 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the lotus seat is for friday the 4th of

00:00:05.280 april 2025 look time i i'm too old to worry about time okay time is a young person's game i'm not

00:00:13.500 worried about this transcended yeah i've transcended the concept there's just the forever now okay i'm

00:00:19.340 joined by beau and lani dowling thank you so much for coming in and uh today we're going to be

00:00:24.320 talking about uh the very real fear of a british civil war uh the current kind of gender war that's

00:00:30.180 going on in south korea incels versus feminists as i understand it is that correct well that's one

00:00:35.260 angle i was going to talk more about the actual legislative process and the news that broke

00:00:40.460 overnight about their president all right but that's one element to it i don't i don't i don't

00:00:44.140 follow south korean politics very closely but uh go team incel not gonna be on team feminist and uh

00:00:51.280 and then we're going to be talking about uh the prejuvenation trend among gen zed women why are

00:00:58.360 they getting their faces filled with botox and lip fillers and making themselves look kind of monstrous

00:01:05.100 yeah very peculiar thing and i don't understand it but uh but before we begin we of course have

00:01:10.660 lads hour at three o'clock this afternoon and we're going to be playing ethno guesser uh to see

00:01:16.160 see how accurately we can map the ethnicities of the world or something i've not actually played it but

00:01:20.860 uh looks like it should be fun anyway right so let's begin so uh the last election we were

00:01:26.220 treated to i think uh signs of things to come which was the independent muslim mps who were elected in

00:01:34.760 their constituencies uh on the pro-palestine position isn't really very closely tied to

00:01:42.280 politics how mad is that in and of itself yeah it's kind of why i mean that ever be the case

00:01:47.080 yeah they're exactly the people you'd expect uh shock at adam iqbal muhammad adin hussein

00:01:54.100 ayyub khan and jeremy corbyn so like i said the five muslim mps it's funny that they're not actually

00:02:00.280 often that sometimes they are but often they're not actually palestinian or even arab no they could

00:02:05.380 be pakistan or bagdadeshi or anything but i think i think the muslim thing alone makes them

00:02:09.940 i think they might all be pakistanics but it's very worrying to me that british people who are

00:02:16.020 voting are going out and voting based on pro a pro-palestine stance when we need to be looking

00:02:22.260 after our country don't we and we need mps that are going to represent us the people in our needs

00:02:28.180 in this country well that kind of um is the point actually because you you use the british people and

00:02:35.680 our and so you've got a constituency of british people to whom we belong do we belong to the same

00:02:41.780 constituency as these guys because if you look they would have been elected by yeah largely by

00:02:46.700 pakistanis or just yeah just muslim people yeah the muslims and this this makes me wonder well

00:02:53.700 actually are they an us are they a we are they an hour because i mean the first sort of things they

00:02:58.820 started coming out about and talking about are for example uh they're against the proposal to ban

00:03:03.540 first cousin marriages something that wasn't really necessary in britain because people didn't

00:03:07.460 marry their cousins here uh i'm in favor of it so i would and i would think banning or first cousin

00:03:13.240 well i mean i think i think you can already guess actually you know but you can also guess where uh

00:03:19.840 iqbal muhammad and so it's like right this this isn't just a a regular policy question like you know

00:03:27.400 do we want higher taxes or lower taxes to fund the nhs well that's something that we can all have an

00:03:31.320 opinion on uh this this is something that's distinctly uh cultural and foreign i would say

00:03:36.620 to britain and of course this is the sort of thing that muhammad uh got up and started talking about

00:03:42.420 and then the next thing of course is uh the proposed funding from britain for an airport in mirpur which

00:03:50.280 is the backwards area of pakistan all places where most of our immigrants come from they say there are

00:03:56.420 over a million british kashmiris living in the united kingdom and who would benefit directly

00:04:01.560 from an addition to the neighboring regions of jellum dina and gujarat

00:04:05.640 and they would also gain from improved international transport connections

00:04:10.720 this would serve the vibrant worldwide kashmiri diaspora

00:04:15.420 going back to us an hour so are these british people you know i mean it's signed by here it's

00:04:25.500 not but and and then the funny thing is is zara sultana had just i think she called out somebody

00:04:30.720 about the expansion of heathrow she didn't want that because that was against net zero

00:04:36.080 yet here she is saying build this airport and it's just the hypocrisy of it all but it does worry me

00:04:42.420 that there are a lot of uh liberal white traitors well like stella creasy who signed this right and

00:04:48.960 like the lady the headmistress who uh banned the easter bonnet parade in the um hampshire school

00:04:55.900 and the easter celebration she was a white you know i'm assuming liberal because i don't think it would

00:05:01.120 be a conservative that did that so the point is i think that when when this kind of proposal is on the

00:05:07.500 table when this kind of obvious ethnic interest is on the table we can safely say right these aren't

00:05:15.920 people who consider themselves to be british they consider themselves to be pakistani and kashmiri

00:05:20.840 and they're trying to advance their agenda in that country so when for example thing is the

00:05:27.100 definition of being a fifth columnist wouldn't it yeah i mean when when you know samantha here i'm sure

00:05:31.560 is a very nice and well-meaning person and they point out well the following british mps are campaigning

00:05:36.940 on behalf of their constituents in pakistan it's like okay but i don't really think they think

00:05:42.380 their constituents are british people right it seems that the revealed preference honest if they

00:05:47.540 were perfectly honest just their actions the revealed actions show no they're campaigning for

00:05:53.280 pakistan so i think they view themselves as pakistani mps in britain rather than british mps who are doing

00:06:01.360 and also going back to them wanting the cousin marriage to continue that actually does put a lot

00:06:07.740 of strain on our nhs when they have babies from those cousin marriages that end up having uh birth

00:06:14.140 defects yeah you're a really really serious one really serious massive massive problem what about

00:06:20.860 the take the angle of let them marry their first cousins as much as they want so that they remain

00:06:26.220 okay docile and they're not as long as we don't have to fund it through the nhs because that's the

00:06:32.260 thing i think these stats were it was insane like the proportion of pakistani uh children that are born

00:06:39.940 with these defects because their parents are cousins versus kids born with birth defects to british

00:06:45.640 couples you know aren't they something like 35 of all the birth defects despite being yes yeah that's

00:06:51.640 it i didn't want to say that stat without it written down just in case but that's what i remembered

00:06:56.180 yeah that's what i remember too i might be wrong fact check me on that but what a disaster of stat

00:07:00.620 that is yes that's crazy sickening not just like a bit odd and like okay it's like that's terrible

00:07:06.640 that's sickening it's it's where you would think that the state does have an ethical duty to step in

00:07:11.840 and do something about it right as in you know kirstama came out and just flatly denied that there was

00:07:17.340 going to be a ban on first cousins of marriages it's like yeah but that would really protect children

00:07:21.040 from being consanguineous uh it would be better anyway so the next thing uh the and this is one

00:07:29.500 of the things that uh the americans keep picking up on is that all of our institutions appear to just

00:07:34.760 well be islamic yeah for example on the bbc here's like an hour of eid live is where they're introducing

00:07:43.020 eid al fitter prayers from the bradford central mosque uh this is six percent of the population

00:07:49.360 like the muslims are actually a very small percentage of british population and yet they're

00:07:54.680 given incredible status in this country which is fooling the americans i've just been over to america

00:08:01.020 the americans are like so how many muslims do you guys have oh less than 10 and that's what really

00:08:05.240 how have you got less than 10 fewer than 10 muslims with the the cultural product that we see coming

00:08:10.920 out of your country and it's because the establishment well pay for them for some reason

00:08:15.840 and i can't really explain it i mean here's the royal family eid mubarak you know like they they

00:08:21.300 as if they are themselves muslims and not the head of the church of england charles is the defender of

00:08:27.800 faiths he did actually walk that back oh did he yeah he ended up getting crowned as the defender of the

00:08:35.280 faith he wanted defender of faiths because charles is a notorious orientalist he really loves eastern

00:08:42.380 religions for some reason uh he seems to not care about christianity at all quick thing i'll just say

00:08:47.160 about the six percent i know as a as a percentage doesn't sound all that catastrophic but i'd say six

00:08:53.300 percent is still it's still massive actually though in real numbers that's still millions and millions

00:08:58.840 millions of people it's four million right and the real reality people off the books and things

00:09:04.940 don't respond to censuses it'll be a few million more um but i was talking about it in the kitchen

00:09:10.780 earlier um at some point in the early 2000s or the 2010s at some point i've looked at the figure for

00:09:17.300 how the percentage of black people in america and was shocked to find out it was only sort of 12 13

00:09:23.100 something like that because if you watch tv and films and just the general culture you think oh

00:09:27.860 america's half black yeah or something wouldn't you that's the impression you get it's just not

00:09:33.140 the case i guess we've got the same thing with america they think we're mostly muslim now or

00:09:38.080 something well they also think that most of our knife crimes committed by a white guy from a really

00:09:43.240 good two-parent family that very stable that's never done anything bad before so it's just roaming

00:09:50.480 bands of white boys stabbing people up in the streets for no reason it's all the way down

00:09:55.420 yeah um yeah so the the exactly right the the representation of things is skewed in order to

00:10:03.800 give people a false impression of what's actually happening and of course you'll you'll see i mean

00:10:07.900 keir starmer posted this about an hour ago on his twitter someone posted for him

00:10:12.240 eid mubarak everyone it's really i can't hear that he's telling another one to see you and to be saying that

00:10:17.640 here in this room i've been really proud that we've been able to host an iftar event here

00:10:24.520 in number 10 to attend the big iftar in westminster hall i'm wishing you eid mubarak is a really

00:10:31.560 special moment the day after the election last year that i stood outside the front door here on the

00:10:38.820 steps of downing street and i said that this would be a government of service yes look this is my place

00:10:45.700 of work but the building and i want you to get a sense of this it really belongs to you as well

00:10:50.940 because there we go he's i mean he couldn't be more thrilled to be wishing them uh fantastic eid

00:10:58.460 mubarak and that's today because he did the start of ramadam he did the end of ramadam and now he's

00:11:04.800 also done this and i actually looked two days ago haven't looked since he's not mentioned lent once

00:11:10.360 uh ash wednesday didn't mention that it just seems that they're purposely ignoring christian

00:11:18.020 celebrations and traditions whilst promoting this and talking about this at every possible

00:11:24.440 opportunity i mean he looks genuinely thrilled to be doing this well that was my question is one of

00:11:29.640 two things is going on either he genuinely wants to do this and he's happy to do it or it's under

00:11:35.800 duress in some way and he's scared it seems like the first one you want it very much seems like he's

00:11:40.980 just on board with this this these this politics lindsey hoyle when he was like look i'm really worried

00:11:46.540 about someone an mp being murdered he was scared you know you could tell the fear in him no kistama

00:11:51.860 loves this he loves to have his little muslim constituency that he can say no look eid mubarak i'm

00:11:57.440 so thrilled i love this is yours as well it's like oh great brilliant i do actually wonder if he's a troll

00:12:02.660 because he really does seem to troll everyone with and trying i don't know is he actually trying to

00:12:08.540 upset everybody and demoralize every single british person in this country i think honestly

00:12:14.800 you were right about these sort of traitorous liberals and the thing is he's such he's so

00:12:19.600 committed to this kind of universalist perspective i don't think he sees it i don't think he understands

00:12:24.700 what he's doing uh i would think that anyone who isn't on board with this way of thinking

00:12:29.360 is a is a gross terrible person and screw them anyway i imagine that's how it it works in his

00:12:35.340 mind yeah they're far right and so uh the the police of course uh deliberately named a man who

00:12:41.140 set fire to the quran uh essentially criminalizing and uh putting putting a target for vigilantes on

00:12:47.940 this man's uh back because burning the quran well i mean if you can see how the the king the

00:12:53.780 government and the institutions support islam uh well why would they not do this

00:12:59.800 record am i right in saying that until any sort of true islamophobia legislation is passed it's not

00:13:05.320 illegal to burn a quran uh it's probably some sort of hate crime you know you i mean you would think

00:13:11.780 back a couple of hundred years when we were concerned about religious toleration and we've gone back on all

00:13:17.140 of that burning any other book let's say that that is privately owned on private property that's

00:13:21.620 certainly not a crime yeah you can earn as many copies of the bible as you like right proper

00:13:27.260 bonfire of bibles i'm sure kirstam would support that yeah um anyway so uh and then finally of course

00:13:33.500 um we uh we have the the two-tier justice now this is something that they had to walk back on

00:13:42.460 because kirstam actually did threaten to legislate against this uh but the point is all of the

00:13:47.620 quangos in this country do believe that in fact the minority should be given privileges over the

00:13:52.140 majority and for some reason okay we won this battle but the war's not over and they're going

00:13:57.380 to continue and of course muslims are not exactly uh massively contributing to the economy not that

00:14:03.820 that's really the thing i'm concerned about uh as you can see here adhan hussein mp uh pointed out

00:14:09.300 that muslims generate at least 70 billion annually for the uk economy which is two percent of the gdp for

00:14:14.480 six percent of the population so that's yeah brutal community no it's absolutely brutal

00:14:20.480 so they're sort of 66 underperforming yes right okay yes they are uh so anyway the point being

00:14:28.960 the country feels to a lot of people like it's being run for the benefit of islam and minorities

00:14:34.720 and lots of people are upset about this and so uh professor david betts at king's college london

00:14:41.000 their department of war studies has been kind of sounding the alarm saying well look um we're

00:14:44.900 actually in a point now where all of the conditions for civil war are most ripe and this is something

00:14:51.860 maybe we should be thinking about because people seem quite upset and we saw the first signs of this

00:14:56.880 at southport after the southport riots before any information about the stab was known people started

00:15:02.700 attacking mosques now obviously don't start attacking mosques obviously this is bad but what this

00:15:07.880 indicates to us is that people have had enough and that's why keir starmer came down on them like

00:15:13.040 a ton of bricks and dedicated 30 million pounds of your tax money to protecting mosques because

00:15:18.320 keir starmer loves islam but anyway david betts points out that um rich and stable countries don't

00:15:24.240 have civil wars uh legitimate democracies and strong autocracies don't have civil wars the most

00:15:29.860 unstable he says are moderately homogenous societies particularly where there is a perceived change in the

00:15:35.560 status of the titular majority or a significant minority which possesses the wherewithal to revolt

00:15:41.380 on its own and that's the important thing the status now if there's one thing i think a lot of

00:15:46.800 british people feel at the moment is that they are low status in their own country being english in

00:15:52.080 england is not a prestigious thing it's actually a kind of gross scummy thing remember uh what's that

00:15:57.860 labour mp who posted the picture of the english flag emily thornberry yeah look at these english flags

00:16:04.300 how dare you drive a white van and fly the saint julius how dare you yeah yeah yeah yeah and and we

00:16:11.260 can see the the general veneration for foreign things coming out of the institutions and so he

00:16:17.460 points out that look we are in fact very much in this kind of sweet spot uh for it uh and i'm just

00:16:25.680 going to quote a little bit of length because this this is just i think very interesting he says

00:16:28.920 the peculiarity of contemporary western multiculturalism uh relative to other examples

00:16:34.160 of heterogeneous societies is threefold firstly it is in the sweet spot with respect to theories of

00:16:39.480 civil war causation uh specifically the modern problem of coordination costs is diminished in a

00:16:44.180 situation where white majorities who are trending rapidly towards large minority status in some cases

00:16:49.180 live along multiple smaller minorities secondly thus far what have been practiced is a sort of

00:16:54.360 asymmetric multiculturalism in which the in-group preference ethnic pride and group solidarity

00:16:59.660 notably in voting are acceptable for all groups except whites whom such things are considered to

00:17:06.540 be resentful supremacist attitudes that are antithetical to the social order and thirdly because

00:17:12.760 of the above what has emerged is a perception that the status quo is invidiously unbalanced which

00:17:18.580 provides an argument for revolt on the part of the white majority that is rooted in stirring language

00:17:23.820 of justice from a strategic communications perspective a morally inflected narrative which

00:17:29.420 has a clearly articulated grievance a plausible and urgent remedy and a receptive and conscious

00:17:35.100 community is powerful basically what he's saying there is it seems that the white people in britain

00:17:42.060 are going to say you know what we don't have to we've had enough and so we just put me in mind

00:17:51.260 everything you're reading there the thing that keep kept popping into my mind was um goldstein's book

00:17:56.700 in 1984 um in the the original novel 1984 before just for winston smith gets arrested there's a few

00:18:04.300 passages where he's reading from goldstein's book and it's it's that sort of thing that there's a um

00:18:11.980 well to boil it down sort of an underclass a working class a middle class and an upper class and that the

00:18:18.460 middle and the upper class swap around at various times and the underclass just swap masters um but

00:18:25.020 it doesn't have to be about purely politics it can be about uh racial and ethnic and religious divides

00:18:31.180 as well it could easily be that or has been in history played out in real time a number of a number

00:18:35.660 of times it's just the same old story we've seen this through history all throughout the world all

00:18:41.180 throughout the centuries a number of times this isn't sort of new right it's no it's not happened

00:18:47.100 in britain no this is it's not unremarkable in any way shape or form i've spent the last five years

00:18:52.380 thinking when are people actually going to have had enough to actually do something and i'm obviously i

00:18:58.460 am absolutely not uh condoning going out in the streets or doing anything stupid and writing and and

00:19:04.940 burning anything not but i just think when are people actually going to stand up i mean people are

00:19:09.740 still a little too afraid to even talk about things like that we talk about they're a little afraid to

00:19:15.340 even talk about it to their friends or uh or their work colleagues unless they know that their friends

00:19:21.260 or work colleagues are kind of on the same page so i do wonder but then i also wonder is it like

00:19:26.380 problem reaction solution because all of this hasn't happened by accident i don't think it's

00:19:32.220 incompetence i think it's been orchestrated i think it's been facilitated i think there's people making

00:19:37.820 a lot of money allowing you know illegals to come in or you know building houses for you know foreign

00:19:44.940 imports and and so i do wonder if you know and and not cracking down on crime things like that just

00:19:52.220 the basics of society um and so are they allowing this so that there is a reaction so they can really

00:19:59.340 bring in a solution like 1984 where it's surveillance everywhere where they say right well you know we can go

00:20:06.140 through every single one of your text messages just on like the little inkling that you might have said

00:20:10.860 something bad against the government and therefore you might be you know a potential rioter so i don't

00:20:17.180 know whether it's kind of been planned or whether you know it is it is just a very organic build up of upset

00:20:27.260 i'm i'm of the opinion that these people are doctrinaire liberals and they genuinely believe in the things

00:20:32.700 that they're saying and so what this means is that they view foreign peoples to have as much of a claim

00:20:40.860 to britain as the british people do right and so when the british people in the sort of old world

00:20:46.620 thought of well hang on this is our country not your country what are you doing here uh try to assert that

00:20:51.500 that's viewed as not only racism uh but some something tantamount to genocide uh to say that these

00:20:58.700 people have no claim to our country and so they they freak out about this and so they now are like

00:21:04.380 oh god we're sat on this far right uh you know pressure cooker and we've just got to keep keep it

00:21:11.740 all together or else it explodes and loads of people have their human rights violated is what they think

00:21:16.780 i think it's sort of deliberate malevolence whether it's tony blair or rishi sunak um just yeah very very

00:21:22.780 deliberate not just like uh my liberal principles have accidentally led to this i don't know i mean

00:21:28.620 i don't know either i don't know for sure it could be either one but the i think the establishment are

00:21:32.700 a little different from the everyday liberals like the head teacher that i mentioned because they all

00:21:38.540 have been completely and utterly indoctrinated through everything through schools through college

00:21:43.980 through media music tv film everything's kind of indoctrinated people to this point where where

00:21:55.100 you know they're calling this netflix show a documentary it's like to be honest with you i i accept it i

00:22:02.460 accept that it's a documentary uh but it's a long no no but it's a longer conversation real quick i

00:22:07.900 mean you take our current uh justice secretary mahmood what's her name something mahmood

00:22:13.980 so but anyway her two-tier thing yeah you can't take that as sort of um an accidental byproduct

00:22:21.420 of liberalism she was against she was against it she objected to the two-tier thing she's the one who

00:22:27.500 the the day it came out like any sense so who's putting it forward then through parliament it's it's

00:22:32.060 it's no no it's not going through parliament that's the thing not now so the no no the sentence in council

00:22:36.220 is a quango right and what they do is provide authoritative guidance to judges and so they say look

00:22:43.420 uh the the judges aren't legally bound by it but they take it in the same sort of way as if you

00:22:49.980 know when david starkey says what the right wing needs to think about everyone goes oh it's david

00:22:54.140 starkey saying we're gonna listen right um it's that kind of authority is the romans would have

00:22:58.700 called it octoritas i think so back in the day didn't starmer go to meetings of the sentencing

00:23:04.300 council was he part of it probably was i actually don't know but i do know that he went to 21 meetings

00:23:09.180 of the sentencing council who decided that not all child sex offenders should go to jail that's

00:23:14.220 a little factoid that i do know that he was involved with the uh sentencing council then

00:23:20.860 that would absolutely make sense as head of the cps i'm sure they work hand in glove i'm sure they

00:23:25.180 do but the point is it's not necessarily a legal requirement it's just an authoritative thing and

00:23:29.740 starmer and but uh shibana i think her name is mahu mahmood she actually came out against it

00:23:35.420 because it looks really bad i don't think it's because morally she's opposed to it's because

00:23:40.220 that we're already calling him two-tier kia and if he stands idle on this well then that just

00:23:44.780 cements it but anyway so the reason i talk about all this is because this um line of thinking that

00:23:50.700 david betts has been promoting uh and properly putting into the consciousness of the british people

00:23:58.300 and rightly so i think uh is finally arriving at the sort of tory wets right they're finally getting

00:24:04.780 it and going hang on a second have we been party to the biggest betrayal in all of british history

00:24:10.300 that's turned our country into an absolute sewer and has enraged huge amounts of people who live here

00:24:17.180 and it's like yes tim stanley you have been party to that right so i'm just gonna i'm just gonna read

00:24:22.460 from his article because of course you can imagine how he lands on this so uh he says i now fear that

00:24:28.700 britain is heading for an open sectarian conflict possibly war and there's nothing we can do to stop it

00:24:33.500 it's well i mean you didn't have to be party to it for the last 14 years did you tim uh but anyway

00:24:40.700 here's a snapshot of what i'm hearing he says on one night in westminster i met someone who argued

00:24:45.020 for voluntary repatriation two generations back a labor activist told me we must re-educate muslims

00:24:51.340 and jacob breeze mogg debated me on gb news said britain should take zero refugees i spluttered a reply

00:24:56.460 about the good samaritan and staggered off the bed confused in the press these these are the sort of

00:25:01.180 libs i hate the most right it's one thing the the woke globalist libs who are like look i kind of

00:25:05.580 hate you and i want to destroy your culture like this that's great i kind of hate you too and i want

00:25:09.500 to destroy globalism right that's at least we're both honest tim stanley is i'm going to pretend i

00:25:15.260 don't hate you if i want to destroy your culture but i'm going to do everything that will destroy your

00:25:19.820 culture and indicate that i hate you right this i will be the guy who opens the gates to the barbarians

00:25:25.740 and i'll tell you no i'm not that what's the problem no amount of cognitive dissonance will

00:25:30.140 make any difference no anyway so uh he says for two decades i've argued for controlling immigration

00:25:36.620 and successive governments including jacobs increased it so yeah i'm sure you have uh suddenly

00:25:42.060 i've woken up in a land where everyone wants to manically wants to reduce or even reverse it and

00:25:46.460 they've leaped frog me into a pool of dark resentment nigel farage is mocked as a dimmy for

00:25:52.060 appointing a muslim chair to his party and looks nervous of his own supporters even labor has turned

00:25:57.500 on the sentencing council which for all its faults was trying to fix a genuine racial disparity see

00:26:02.220 what i mean like fixing racial disparities is not the job of justice in this country right the job of

00:26:06.780 justice in this country is to make sure that criminals get what they deserve right there's the

00:26:11.580 reason he says it's black people who tend to get longer sentences than whites not the other way around

00:26:15.580 okay well let's ask about recidivism right let's ask about repeated criminality who is more likely to

00:26:21.420 be a repeated criminal and therefore incur a longer sentence due to their past history of crime

00:26:25.740 right it's just the statistics i'm not trying to say that one group's good and one group's bad

00:26:30.380 what i'm saying is this is why you're getting these effects if one group doesn't have a

00:26:35.980 particular history of recidivism in their community and the other group does well then

00:26:39.740 you can expect differential outcomes because that's what justice requires a difference in treatment

00:26:45.420 because of what that person has done what they deserve is what justice is not

00:26:50.460 making sure that black and white sentences are exactly equal that's not justice and in fact that

00:26:54.700 can be that can be deliberate injustice actually but that's why kirstama let out a load of people

00:27:00.060 and then locked up the southport writers it's about social justice justice is supposed to be

00:27:04.540 colorblind actually yeah it's supposed to be blind to all the things the personification of justice is

00:27:08.940 always a woman with a sword and scales with a blindfold yeah exactly um so they rip that blindfold off and

00:27:16.220 make sure you discriminate against the whites yeah okay weird weird you guys don't say nearly

00:27:21.420 200 000 youtubers have watched an interview given to louise perry by david betts a professor of

00:27:25.900 conflict studies in king's college london betts argues that conditions for a failed state will

00:27:30.620 ordinarily ordinarily apply overseas now found here frayed social contract failing trust polarization

00:27:35.260 into this mix britain injected multiculturalism encouraging millions to move here without expecting

00:27:39.740 integration if you think fear of the other is a human instinct the policy was mad to begin with

00:27:45.500 okay why do we do this then why do the conservatives sign off on this because they're a bunch of wet

00:27:50.220 libs themselves over the past 30 years liberal institutions uh sorry he says combine it with

00:27:56.060 other economic decline and you invite ethnic competition over services and jobs yeah and this

00:28:00.860 is where we are right i grew up in a post-colonial world where we said i don't see race and honestly

00:28:06.540 if naively meant it that's great you the white liberals honestly naively meant it and so what you

00:28:13.660 did is imported people who were not white liberals who didn't say it didn't honestly and sincerely mean

00:28:19.900 it and you thought that they would just get along exactly the same as the rest of us

00:28:24.940 this hasn't happened you are a fool you've all been fools and you've inflicted this not only on me

00:28:31.260 which is fine i'm 45 years old i don't really need your protection but you've inflicted it on my

00:28:35.740 children you inflicted this on my grandchildren when i have them you've inflicted this on future

00:28:41.340 generations this is going to age very badly is what i'm saying right so anyway i'm going

00:28:46.700 to carry on because this is just remarkable right so he says uh over the past 30 years

00:28:51.900 liberal institutions have taught us to see race again by stressing the wonders of diversity so

00:28:56.300 persistently that some white people feel the state has actively taken a side against them it's only

00:29:01.340 because they seem to just do nothing but praise minorities and condemn the majority uh ancient

00:29:07.740 binding concepts such as equality before the law ring hollow the latest police race action plan

00:29:13.020 openly rejects the principle of treating everyone the same in favor of equality of police outcomes

00:29:19.020 a situation in which millions believe the cops are not impartial public servants but an occupying force

00:29:24.780 is the headline metric of state failure mainland britain has become ulster in fact the low level

00:29:30.700 insurgency has already begun ireland has seen arson at asylum hotels last year britain had riots

00:29:36.380 why did number 10 insist that so many be thrown into jail betts notes that while islamic terrorism

00:29:41.420 is more lethal than far-right terrorism there are only 4 million muslims whereas there are around 50

00:29:46.060 million whites where the latter group radicalized things were the latter group radicalized things

00:29:53.020 might go south very fast hence some in the security forces clearly regard white britons as the

00:29:58.380 emergent threat betts sees no solution so suggests we prepare for anarchy i'm more concerned about fascism

00:30:06.700 yeah was that the take am i getting it wrong no that's worried about civil war but he's worried

00:30:10.860 about the reaction to civil war's coming i'm worried about fascism amazing amazing take

00:30:18.460 is fascism one of the top 10 priorities that you have in the country are you afraid of fascism

00:30:26.700 i'm trying to take it all in i'm thinking gosh like yeah no i mean

00:30:32.380 what can i say um no i haven't been i i see there was one thing where he did say where he did say

00:30:43.580 that i think growing up when i was younger this is what i was just staring at it like really like that

00:30:48.460 trying to figure out what he meant but i feel like when i grew up um my mom's from the philippines

00:30:55.180 no like he says there no one really did see race but i do think the last few decades it's really

00:31:02.140 really been pushed on us um to notice it and as you said my mom wanted to um be part of british

00:31:11.500 culture she didn't want to take her own culture she didn't want to stay in a group with all filipinos

00:31:16.220 and then do their own things she wanted to integrate into society and because they keep

00:31:20.620 on going on about diversity and we must accept this we must accept that people have gone into

00:31:26.380 their own little uh you know communities and they don't integrate and it has made a noticeable difference

00:31:33.500 and then we're being pushed by the media by music by entertainment to look at everybody's race and

00:31:40.140 color and try and celebrate everything except white people that i do you know i i do think

00:31:47.340 it's being pushed so that it is more noticeable now yeah it's very very much so and so his concern

00:31:53.820 is fascism rather than the dispossession of the british from their own country it's very very often

00:31:58.940 the case that you read in mainstream media in the mail online or something like that on telegraph

00:32:03.740 something that seems that it's being reasonable and honest and truthful with what's going on

00:32:08.620 and then at the end the twist is but the right is the problem yeah i mean that's literally this

00:32:14.460 you remember the clashes between pakistanis and indians in leicester yes a year or two ago and

00:32:19.100 you remember in the end they it all stopped and they uh the violence stopped and they managed to all

00:32:24.380 agree that let's not let edl types get involved they were they're really that was really the problem

00:32:30.460 from the beginning wow did really how was that and it's the same it's like when you go into london

00:32:36.300 you see the palestine flags flying everywhere and then you see the ukraine flags everywhere and

00:32:40.140 everyone's swinging those around but you take you take the british flag or you take the saint george's

00:32:47.580 and you you know you're this far right bigger yeah it's mad to me it's exactly like you know i i

00:32:54.940 remember um one of my friends she's american and she came with american friends they were going to have

00:33:00.540 a little tour around the tower of london i think they were going somehow going into the houses of parliament

00:33:04.860 and they had their little british flags that they bought from um uh one of those little shops where

00:33:11.900 you buy souvenirs and they were told like you can't bring them in you have to leave them outside

00:33:17.020 you can't bring and they couldn't understand it because americans fly their american flags they're

00:33:22.300 all patriotic you know they were doing a little tongue-in-cheek things with their little flags um with

00:33:27.260 their british flags um but they yeah it's it so it was mad and it was crazy to them and it's crazy to

00:33:33.580 me that you know because i see the ukrainian flags everywhere around the palestine flags and the

00:33:40.700 palestine flags it's horrible it's symptomatic of a of a deep deep problem in society that that that's

00:33:47.580 the case so he's just we'll finish on this uh one thing here because this is just fascinating right so he

00:33:52.780 says i'm more concerned about fascism we're not far away from a politician running for office as

00:33:57.660 explicitly anti-muslim well we've got five who are explicitly muslim we've got five mps who are

00:34:05.180 explicitly muslim they like they ran on the pro-palestine platform they want airports in mirpur

00:34:12.060 they are explicitly and avowedly muslim and that's why they were elected is it a surprise that you're

00:34:17.660 going to get people who are anti-muslim and is it wrong that you would get people who are anti-muslim

00:34:21.660 because he said i'm really worried about sectarianism coming to britain we've got five sectarian mps

00:34:26.380 already is it any wonder that the native population might be like oh right we need our own sectarian

00:34:31.340 mps and dozens more that are sympathetic exactly yeah like so yeah fascism as well just really quick

00:34:38.860 to say the actual word fascism it's so far removed from like reform let's say or reclaim yeah or something

00:34:48.380 or david curtain it's like you're not using the word right it's not fascism no it's nothing nothing

00:34:53.100 right it's barely nationalism but anyway yeah anyway uh ramshack lot says uh in 2011 each disabled child

00:35:00.700 of cousin marriage cost 250 000 pounds per year to the taxpayer

00:35:07.100 it's not just the nhs is it it's the homes that they need to have the special cars the special schools

00:35:12.380 sometimes if the parents don't drive a taxi service and drivers there's a there's a lot just an endless

00:35:19.260 list of costs scanline says that uh reform is basically giving people their last hopes for

00:35:24.060 change and it's i think that's true um the thing is i don't think nigel farage is the guy i don't think

00:35:28.780 he i don't think he's got the stomach for the trousers no he doesn't he's he's he's deeply afraid of

00:35:34.860 being called racist but the thing is he was he was calling you racist at the last conference he was

00:35:38.700 spouting exactly that stuff about being essentially colorblind yeah saying be colorblind just accept

00:35:43.740 endless people and don't worry about really what they think and you don't ask them can you get the

00:35:47.820 muslim community colorblind if you can't and that's off the table isn't it yeah you know it's got to be

00:35:53.500 reciprocal and if it's not reciprocal then it's not going to happen anyway let's uh let's move on okay

00:36:00.700 let me just uh get my document sorted all right so people that watch this podcast know that i quite

00:36:07.100 often do history themed content uh science and space themed content or international relations

00:36:13.100 stuff i'll probably do the most stuff about ukraine or israel and palestine uh so i feel like we need

00:36:18.300 to talk about south korea today okay because overnight or yesterday in south korea at least there was sort

00:36:24.300 of a big relatively big thing happened do you remember back in december last year that the there was a

00:36:31.260 story coming out of south korea that their president had uh used martial law yeah he'd used soldiers to

00:36:38.300 pack their their parliament building yeah the inside uprising yeah he kind of what he dipped his toe in

00:36:43.180 the rubicon that was a mistake because the incel uprising yeah go and give me your take on that

00:36:48.780 one as i understand it south korean society is deeply riven uh between uh feminism and men

00:36:54.780 right uh and there's a massive problem with uh single people uh the fact that people aren't in

00:37:02.220 south korea the birth rate is catastrophically low yeah the lowest of all time yeah and probably all

00:37:07.420 history and yeah just the lowest a country has ever had and that one of the main political sort of

00:37:14.300 issues is feminism versus men's rights in south korea and the men are deeply deeply right-wing

00:37:20.940 uh and on the pro-man side and the women are deeply deeply left-wing and on the pro-woman side

00:37:25.340 and so basically it's feminist versus incels uh and this this guy lent heavily into that for his

00:37:31.660 campaign i believe and uh got the the man vote and he seems to have dipped his toe in the rubicon

00:37:37.980 decided he's not going to go all the way and now he's getting chewed out right yeah i understand it

00:37:43.180 yoon suk yield is his name you know everyone just called him yoon yeah um so yeah there's that element to

00:37:48.940 it i suppose just mentioned that quite early on then that yeah the the birth rate in south korea

00:37:53.660 is not just sort of low or sort of notice that that's like sort of below average it's uh it's

00:37:58.620 crazily low um the lowest of any country in the world and you can argue but i've seen people say

00:38:03.660 it may be the lowest of all time uh because you know modern societies for whatever reasons

00:38:08.780 post-industrial ones um it's sort of yeah so i think in seoul it's sort of 0.5 so for every four

00:38:15.660 women there's one baby ball but what's driving the feminists and driving the incels like what's

00:38:23.740 getting into their minds it's a big thing isn't it that's a massive question

00:38:29.420 because it plays out to a lesser extent all over the west doesn't it japan's got a problem with it

00:38:34.700 um in fact even third world countries where uh birth rates used to be a lot higher they're lower

00:38:41.020 they're like in india 100 years ago you'd have like 12 kids and infant mortality only half of them

00:38:47.260 live but whatever and now they're about the same as we used to be in the 50s so yeah anyway anyway

00:38:53.660 um i was going to talk more just about the straight up sort of parliamentary politics of this thing so

00:38:59.260 when that happened back in december um it took everyone by surprise and it really did and i'll get

00:39:04.940 into that in a moment um and uh i was fascinated by it uh my first the first take that came out on

00:39:12.060 twitter is that this based right-wing leader has uh has sort of stood up to the commies and used

00:39:18.700 martial law to uh stop sort of commies from taking over so i just tweeted i can't remember exactly what

00:39:24.620 i tweeted but i was like you go he's our boy smash the commies or something like that and almost

00:39:29.900 immediately people were tweeting going no that's not really what's going on uh it's not really what's

00:39:33.740 going on i was like okay i actually don't know much about modern south korean politics i'll step

00:39:38.300 back and then i was just waiting for over the following days and weeks and months i've been

00:39:42.220 reading around it since then i was waiting for the explanation of it what did happen that day what

00:39:46.540 was going on there and the answer to it really is it's sort of still not exactly unclear we know

00:39:51.900 what's happened because there's been investigations but it is sort of an seems like an odd kind of odd set

00:39:57.180 of events um so sort of let's go through it because yesterday or last night our time what

00:40:04.060 happened was he has been removed from office all right and it went through all sorts of appeal

00:40:09.100 processes and finally it ended up with their supreme court but you can play this if you want samson on

00:40:14.060 silent just as a background um um finally their version of the supreme court upheld his impeachment

00:40:21.980 removal from office the whole nine yards so he's done i mean he's already done really his

00:40:26.860 political career was already done anyway but now it's formally rubber stamped you're done and so

00:40:32.060 they get they've got to have uh new elections there general election there in the next 60 days

00:40:35.980 the government has fallen the full shebang um don't ever just dip your toe in the rubric on

00:40:41.180 if you're thinking about it you've got to wade through it that's good advice to any would-be

00:40:44.620 autocrats out there it's great advice it's just historically correct you've got to go full bore or don't

00:40:49.500 bother exactly go big or go home or if you're going to do this i i'm completely against uh

00:40:55.740 military youngsters yeah yeah let's make that clear for the record on a technical point you know

00:41:01.260 you've got to go the whole way there's the his uh political enemies the jumping in shouting in

00:41:06.380 the streets when the news came through from the pride flags that he's gone um yeah right they're

00:41:11.740 exactly global isn't it yeah no no that's exactly is it's western ideology has completely destroyed

00:41:17.580 south korea and these are his supporters they're upset uh because because now not only is he sort

00:41:26.380 of you know completely down in politics uh he will be open to criminal prosecution and he's going to be

00:41:33.340 prosecuted for um insurrection don't don't forget that that's basically the trajectory adolf hitler

00:41:39.740 followed yeah oh yeah so it's not necessarily over right okay a lenient judge will give him two and

00:41:48.540 a half years maybe he'll serve eight months he'll be out again he'll have got five years didn't he

00:41:52.700 yeah yeah but yeah yeah you know he might write a book in prison who knows lots of people do their

00:41:57.580 best writing in prison i keep telling myself yeah didn't she didn't she do that as well lots of people

00:42:03.420 yeah yeah and so you know just just saying 10 years later is the the the the fuhrer of germany so

00:42:09.340 maybe i don't we don't know that it's over for no i'm joking um if he does get found guilty of

00:42:14.380 insurrection he could get life imprisonment um at the very least probably a very long custodial

00:42:20.780 sentence so this dude is in deep ships right now so my language but he's uh yeah he tried something

00:42:29.580 extrajudicial and lost he didn't really try very hard oh yeah it was over within six hours

00:42:36.780 so so okay let's try and tell the story a little bit so um i mean south korea ever since the war

00:42:44.140 world war ii i mean has been a fantastic success story uh economically uh after world war ii they

00:42:50.940 obviously the japanese uh invaded and occupied them during world war ii after world war ii in the late

00:42:55.900 40s at least they were just like any other third world far eastern country um and by the 70s or

00:43:03.900 certainly by the 80s they were one of the richer societies and by the 90s in the 2000s um if you

00:43:12.140 measure it by per capita per household per house gdp per capita they're one of the richest countries in

00:43:20.140 the world uh they're like sort of just below japan way above china they're up there with sort of france

00:43:26.860 and stuff yeah so it's uh economically speaking it might not last forever but economically speaking

00:43:32.620 it's sort of a crazy success story the miracle on the hand they called it so that so that's a thing

00:43:37.500 to mention so with two generations ago they're one of the poorest countries in the world and now they're

00:43:41.820 one of the the richest so that's quite a thing and they do heavy industry lots of um electronics you

00:43:48.140 know cutting edge stuff i've heard it called the republic of samsung so one of the things in

00:43:53.260 south korean society is that um there's sort of various cabals of families that own big corporations

00:43:59.420 and that the corporations are heavily embedded almost like some sort of symbiotic relationship

00:44:04.700 with the government and for a long time they had all through the 60s and 70s they had a sort of

00:44:10.860 democracy light sort of autocracy sort of thing that park guy i know a bit about that and um so anyway

00:44:18.780 they've used martial law a number of times since the war so 17 or 18 times not since the 80s i believe

00:44:26.220 so it's in their past a lot that the government might just call in the army to settle something

00:44:33.900 politically uh i would say that south korean politics has always been say always since the

00:44:39.260 war let's say has been tumultuous sounds say the least right uh but it's been relatively calm over

00:44:46.700 the last decade or two but anyway so this new guy gets in about two years ago but he didn't have

00:44:53.820 he didn't have the majority in their legislature so he's always he's always like uh an uphill fight as

00:45:00.140 a leader we don't ever suffer from that in in britain or hardly ever just the way our parliamentary

00:45:05.420 system is i think uh having said that uh like uh john major right at the end had a majority of one

00:45:11.660 or i think he had a majority of zero right at the end so that's the closest we will ever get to it

00:45:17.180 so we never really sort of don't have to deal with that very often anyway um but so he's got all

00:45:23.020 these ideas and people were saying that he's so i had to sort of clear the decks when i've wanted to

00:45:28.460 get into this and understand this it's quite often the way when you uh read about the new history thing

00:45:32.860 that you don't know about already just try and clear the decks try and clear your mind forget about

00:45:37.100 your preconceptions and whatever you're reading try and make keep in mind whether it's propagandized

00:45:42.540 from one side or the other just try and get to the facts so that's what i've tried to do there's

00:45:46.700 anyone out there in the comments if i get anything factually wrong please do let us know um so he's

00:45:52.380 been branded just sort of like far right the far right guy um doesn't seem to me uh far right at all

00:45:58.860 apart from this martial law thing but we'll get into that in a moment but um so there is sort of

00:46:04.220 broadly speaking a left-right schism in in south korean politics but even that is not really the

00:46:10.780 right way to describe it but uh so he was a prosecutor before he got into power and particularly he is a

00:46:20.300 prosecutor many prosecutors a good way to do that to be successful is to be extremely headstrong

00:46:26.140 you know know what is right and wrong and don't allow yourself to be diverted by politics really

00:46:32.620 all that much and go and do the thing well that doesn't that sort of thing doesn't really work

00:46:37.740 when you become the leader of a whole country you need to be a coalition builder yeah you need to be

00:46:42.540 sort of charismatic and popular yeah right there's the parallel there is that i know yeah i just it

00:46:48.700 just occurred to me um so yeah when he started ruling sort of he wasn't listening to people in his

00:46:54.060 own party started picking fights against factions in his own party yeah um sort of refused to work

00:47:00.060 with the opposition okay who had the majority you've still got the majority in their version of the

00:47:04.700 parliament yeah um so he wasn't he was the first thing from a coalition builder um and he's very

00:47:11.180 very unpopular with the electorate like had a super low approval rating right in the 20s

00:47:20.860 and it just seems to me that there was just sort of a one-upmanship between him and the opposition

00:47:26.780 party of uh sort of becoming more and more unwilling to work with each other um because

00:47:33.740 where he would sort of refuse to work with them where they've got the majority again not quite two

00:47:37.820 thirds but if they get some from his party which they were getting they can just he was vetoing

00:47:42.140 everything they were trying to do and they were vetoing everything he was trying to do a question

00:47:45.500 is this kind of a law fair thing like we've been seeing in europe france romania is this kind

00:47:52.380 of a you or was he a bad leader or is this kind of like left using what they've been using you know

00:48:00.620 in the west to go after the right the guy on the supposedly on the right though i don't know how right

00:48:05.900 he is if he is doing martial law and you know i feel like keir might pull that tactic out at some

00:48:11.500 point boris who did it to us yeah right yeah well both those things i think he's genuinely unpopular

00:48:17.660 with the people and even within his own party he's got a strong faction of loyalists

00:48:21.980 but both he is genuinely unpopular and the whole lawfare thing so yeah the lawfare thing in south

00:48:27.980 korea totally has been playing out over the last year or more so he tried to they his side of the

00:48:34.860 aisle tried to bring prosecution against the leader of the opposition tried to get him arrested for

00:48:39.980 like corruption and stuff they tried to do the same back they got dirt on his wife there was all

00:48:45.100 sorts of scandals with his wife like she was accused of plagiarism she was accused of corruption

00:48:49.580 and various other things so they tried being a man though like that wasn't the the regime before

00:48:56.540 this guy like a weird feminist cult i'm not not sure if i go that far but yeah i mean they're the

00:49:03.340 other side of the aisle yeah but the the previous one was some some sort of weird sort of like i don't

00:49:08.780 know just this it like i looked it up and it just seemed like some weird feminist cult was in control of

00:49:13.580 south korea before this guy so i i won't but they were the leftist side of the equation so yeah

00:49:19.260 rainbow flag waving she was impeached for something as well wasn't she for corruption or something yeah

00:49:23.500 well the corruption in south korea is pretty it's pretty bad i mean it's bad in britain i'm not saying

00:49:28.700 we're perfect i don't think but um yeah so uh they yeah they they stopped working with each other

00:49:34.940 trying to veto each other at all every turn and then the lawfare thing throw the lawfare thing on top

00:49:40.780 both sides doing it to each other um and so yeah they're and all the while the country's going to

00:49:46.700 pop again sound familiar yeah it does yeah um so very so in the end like they're refusing to the

00:49:55.180 other side were refusing to sort of let his budget go through so he's sort of uh not lame duck isn't

00:50:01.020 quite right but he's just kind of powerless they've pulled his legs out from under him politically

00:50:05.500 okay um okay so now there's this headstrong guy so he started um putting all his own loyalists in

00:50:14.620 all the top because you can still rule to some degree through sort of presidential fiat you still

00:50:20.060 do sort of um special uh special um what's the equivalent executive orders type stuff and he was

00:50:27.180 removing lots and lots of people at the in all the key places in the government with just basically his

00:50:31.900 friends from school like quite literally that jamie get in there yeah like i know you'll be loyal to

00:50:38.140 me to the end so you're the defense secretary now or whatever kind of like that also stab you with the

00:50:44.860 compass it's kind of everyone in south korea is just looking on like really he's doing this really

00:50:52.220 it's like it's nothing exactly illegal yet but so so anyway we got up to december last year

00:50:56.940 and apparently it did come out of the blue that he ordered martial law it wasn't like the other side

00:51:03.820 did this one thing and that was a tipping point and he was reacting to specifically this last thing

00:51:08.300 where they've tried to like they raided his home or something and his response to it was martial law

00:51:13.180 no it sort of came out of nowhere in fact he was on record as saying even my wife doesn't know i was

00:51:16.620 going to order this today on that day um and but apparently in south korean politics it's sort of

00:51:22.620 it's always on the cards it's always the worry it's like whenever anyone is looking too strong

00:51:28.060 or too authoritarian it's always in in the papers immediately oh he might he might call martial law

00:51:32.460 he might call martial law i've got another question so the incels and the feminists are they on the

00:51:39.100 right or the left like i mean like the incels on one side and the feminist or are those the kind of

00:51:45.100 two together versus this guy well it's a good question at this point it seems like most people don't

00:51:51.580 like him now after this incident in december a lot of his supporters were like yeah that is that is

00:51:57.020 bad like what you're doing dude that's political suicide now territory so yeah you're right um it

00:52:05.180 would the incel side would be the right leaning because i'm trying still trying to figure it out

00:52:11.180 after what is exactly incels are because i know it's like involuntary celibate but

00:52:17.340 how does that like how i don't understand how that is in the real world if it's just a name that

00:52:24.140 these like because for example in uh adolescence they're throwing it around about a 13 year old

00:52:29.100 well like yeah it's every what so what does it actually like really mean i don't that's what i

00:52:34.700 don't understand it's a smear isn't it really it is smear it's a nothing word smear no no it's it's

00:52:40.620 referring to uh those men who want wives but can't get them right so are not for whatever

00:52:46.540 reason attractive to women and so they can't find a woman who will go out with them okay okay

00:52:51.740 but it's become much broader than that now hasn't it like well if it can be applied to 13 year olds

00:52:57.020 i was like is it a name or is it like the way i get called far right which i'm absolutely not or i get

00:53:01.740 called a granny killer or uh you know i mean i i don't know if they call like you know people like us far

00:53:09.340 right i mean okay but that means that being far right is all of the correct and good things yeah

00:53:15.740 so this is what reviews me and then they talk about incel culture and then they said about like

00:53:19.740 you know that i keep referring it's so off topic going back to that show but then they mentioned

00:53:24.220 how do you take who's like the opposite of he's not celibate he's mentally in cell culture so i'm like

00:53:31.740 what is it doesn't really make sense it doesn't need to make sense anymore it's like that thing of

00:53:37.340 or you live in your grandma's basement it's like you they don't think you actually literally do

00:53:42.860 i love mine it's just like you're an incel you're an incel and you still live in your mum's basement

00:53:46.540 it's like okay okay now i get it now because yeah i was like i was taking it literally which i

00:53:51.740 which i probably shouldn't they tend to they tend to just use it as a kind of a catch-all phrase for

00:53:57.500 anyone who is broadly concerned about issues that men face that women don't face right right which is

00:54:04.460 which is why jordan peterson is an incel even though he's a yeah wow okay i didn't see it i'm

00:54:09.660 so behind this is how andrew tate becomes an incel even though he's a profligate woman

00:54:16.620 they use it to mean anyone who's concerned about men's issues wow okay no it's good to know that

00:54:21.820 because i think you're i think that's how i've been hearing it but i've been so confused it's not

00:54:26.460 it's not straightforward yeah nothing is there's everything's inverted now i should have known

00:54:32.380 classic commie double speak double think doesn't have to make literal sense anymore in the interest

00:54:38.700 of time though yeah okay so uh yeah he he it's always a thing in south korean politics uh that

00:54:45.420 it's a worry that some guy will hark back to the bad old days of the 70s or the 80s where

00:54:50.700 and they'll call him martial law um and so anyway he did it i guess they just pushed each other too

00:54:56.300 far he and they're both accusing each other of sort of being dictatorial he's accusing them of what

00:55:01.260 was it called like anti-state activities that does sound quite right-wing actually anyway like you're

00:55:06.780 you're guilty you're guilty it could be communist as well he was he said that he's accusing them of um

00:55:13.340 in all sorts of ways being uh puppets for the north koreans or for communists for actual communists

00:55:19.740 um i think that's probably not true and that's a massive exaggeration and a coat not inclined to

00:55:24.540 give them the benefit of the doubt fair enough fair enough uh he's saying they're guilty of he's

00:55:28.460 calling them sort of um in in a legislative sense dictators are you they're not sort of letting him

00:55:34.860 get on with the business of governance and they're they're just calling him just a straight up

00:55:39.420 uh autocrat or dictator that you're just replacing all the people in the government with your friends

00:55:43.740 you're not listening to uh the rest of the government um and so they're both accusing each

00:55:49.420 other it's a classic thing isn't it they're both accusing each other the same sort of crimes and so

00:55:54.140 in the end he obviously decided that enough is enough and he's going to try to impose martial law

00:56:00.060 sort of old school 1980s style and even do apparently apparently um he had a plan to do sort of mass

00:56:08.380 political arrests not of sort of normal people but of members of the opposition party like the leader

00:56:13.260 of the opposition and key members in the opposition all that sort of thing so macron was like you can't

00:56:17.340 do that yeah so he pulled the trigger on this and it only lasted overnight sort of six hours before

00:56:26.220 the their version of parliament their legislature got together got a quorum just enough to sort of reverse

00:56:31.580 it and he was sort of forced at that point he could either come mask off and say no guys military

00:56:39.420 guys start shooting now or he could back down and he he backed down just like boston

00:56:46.060 if you're gonna cross the rubicon yeah don't go up to the rubicon if you're not gonna cross it

00:56:49.340 yeah yeah like i said don't don't cross rubicons don't storm parliaments or anything like this

00:56:55.580 because there was at one point he was going to get the soldiers to sort of close the doors

00:57:00.780 on the the legislature so they can't physically get in form a quorum and pass something that was sort of

00:57:06.780 the key moment if they were going to start using real force to start shooting their equivalent of MPs

00:57:12.540 it could have happened then but he just didn't and he backed down and within days it had been fully

00:57:17.660 reversed and he'd been well so at first they tried to impeach him and it failed but then they just

00:57:23.980 tried again like a week later and it passed and so he was sort of um they had to have an interim

00:57:29.180 leader for a while and then it's gone through the process of all sorts of appeals and counter appeals

00:57:34.380 that's over the that's what's been happening over the last few months and so now yesterday finally

00:57:39.500 the final rubber stamp was that yes you you are you argue you are impeached you are guilty of

00:57:44.860 sort of abusing power and not only that you're guilty of almost certainly of insurrection

00:57:50.620 um are you using force i mean he does seem guilty of it yeah it seems obviously guilty of it yeah

00:57:58.300 does seem that way um so that's what happened last night i think it's sort of uh just worth um

00:58:04.380 pointing out because south korea is still an important person in the region

00:58:09.100 it is sort of an important uh country rather in the region um and just economically um is important

00:58:16.620 so to see it basically implode because it's not happened before imagine that if our actual

00:58:21.980 prime minister or the king was he's going to be prosecuted and spend the rest of his life in prison

00:58:28.460 it's not a small thing um i wouldn't mind if it was starma though yeah i'll take it

00:58:34.060 it wouldn't be that bothered if it was king charles i've been openly calling for these people

00:58:40.540 everyone from blair onwards yeah base prosecution but um so it's that has actually played out in

00:58:45.580 south korea um so okay i thought that was a fairly big development last night so uh got a couple of

00:58:52.060 comments here for you bo which are interesting uh so terribly wrong no no no um i'm gonna skip a

00:58:58.300 little bit sorry um south korean politics will never unify they are split into two camps one one side

00:59:02.940 is pretty much communist sympathizers that push feminism and want the us to leave and the other

00:59:06.540 side uh but the opposition actively call for reunification with north korea and the expulsion

00:59:12.300 of the us from south korea uh as we're passing budgets that intentionally weaken the military they

00:59:16.540 are north korean agents so okay entirely entirely possible they're just uh bog standard quick takes

00:59:23.660 on that yes some people say their opponents say exactly that and their defenders say it's nothing of

00:59:28.380 the sort i think it's somewhere in between i don't think the leader of the south korean opposition is

00:59:32.380 uh sort of literally a puppet exactly a puppet of pyongyang or anything but yeah the communist

00:59:39.580 sympathizers certainly on the plus side though the north koreans can just play the long game on this

00:59:43.980 right but the north koreans are like we're going to have children and then one day in about 50 years

00:59:49.180 time our grandchildren is going to walk into south korea and find it abandoned it's literally just

00:59:55.340 going to happen right another big thing say which i didn't say during the segment was the the

00:59:58.940 relationship with the us is a is a massive thing yeah everyone on the left uh hates it and everyone

01:00:04.620 on the right loves it and uh because that goes back to the war as well um and the amount of american

01:00:10.700 aid that has been pumped in south korea in order to defeat the north is astronomical and so that's a

01:00:15.980 big thing that defies society right down the middle as well everyone on the left hates america which

01:00:19.980 is why they're flying pro flags anyway so let's talk about the concept of prejuvenation because

01:00:27.900 this is something i have noticed and many other people have noticed as well as uh this redditor

01:00:33.180 asks has anyone else noticed a large uptick in women around them with very obvious lip filler

01:00:38.460 especially girls as young as 20 and that's a that's a very very strange thing to me right it's really

01:00:44.460 strange to me and it's really scary actually because um well if you think about it if you pump it you're

01:00:49.740 pushing stuff in your lips when it's that stuff eventually dissolves it's gonna leave you with

01:00:54.620 saggy skin so they have to keep going back and getting it done getting it done it's like creating

01:00:59.260 more customers and then i've seen some people probably like my age or younger in mid 40s younger

01:01:05.980 it's like getting surgery on their lips to like let get a lip lift to lift up the sagginess that's

01:01:15.340 been caused by this lip filler and i don't think they realize how big their lips just going pumper

01:01:20.220 and pumper and plumper here's a picture earlier i saw it really looked like a baboon's bottom it was

01:01:27.340 like you know and i don't know i don't know what's happening or what's driving well i think it's social

01:01:34.220 media driving it i don't think it's men that want it i mean you tell me or oh yeah tell me like

01:01:40.460 as a man this is not in any way appealing to me at all i've never once thought in my life

01:01:44.860 oh she could do with lip filler i've never thought that no young men what about young men in their

01:01:51.340 20 like are they driving it because i don't understand i can't believe i can't even once just to see

01:01:59.100 do you know what to admit i did something really stupid i did have a bit when i was probably in my

01:02:05.180 30s it was a disaster i think i must have had an allergic reaction disaster like i do not touch my

01:02:11.100 face now i've learned um and also botox as well botox is what paralyzes can you explain the difference

01:02:18.540 to me okay so lip filler um or any kind of filler a dermal filler like they'll fill their lips or if

01:02:25.340 they've got like lines here or you know uh no i don't know about crow's feet but i think lines here

01:02:32.780 or sagginess in the cheeks they want cheekbones it's like a filler so it plumps it up um and it

01:02:39.180 actually fills it with i don't know i don't know what it is but it fills it to give it volume and make

01:02:44.620 it bigger botox is a bacteria it's actually botulism so you're injecting and then what you'll sound very

01:02:52.620 no it's really stupid so you're injecting botulism say into your forehead or your crow's feet or your

01:02:58.780 frown line so you can tell i don't have them because what it does is it paralyzes the muscle

01:03:03.580 so the botulism is going to paralyze you so that's why they have these like blank faces that don't move

01:03:11.180 because all these muscles are paralyzed so real and then what happens is is your immune system obviously

01:03:18.540 has to fight it so then you get like you grow immunity to it so that you need more and you need

01:03:26.060 more in a shorter space of time and a lot of people like here it says um about uh the botox being used

01:03:34.060 because they think it's going to stop wrinkles in the future but actually if you think about it if you

01:03:39.340 paralyze a muscle the muscle atrophies so that muscle's no longer strong and holding your skin

01:03:46.140 so you do start getting more wrinkles so you need more and more and then i feel like you know the

01:03:53.660 younger these girls start like you see here like in their 20s and 30s then everything really starts to

01:03:59.820 go wrong when their fillers dissolve or the botox wears off so you see i've seen people my age getting

01:04:05.500 facelifts and it's mental to me it's completely and utterly crazy and that's full-on you know surgical

01:04:12.940 facelifts yeah i didn't know that about botox what that really was well yeah that seems to me

01:04:19.100 quite extreme really to paralyze the muscles in your face for a short-term yeah gain as it seems

01:04:25.500 quite an extreme thing i mean i think people well they're sold the story it's going to stop their

01:04:30.780 muscles like you know moving so that the lines never develop but as i said they've you know the

01:04:38.300 muscles are atrophy and then you've got weaker muscles and make it worse it's going to make it

01:04:43.660 i mean apparently according to the guardian uh in 2022 27 of the u.s patients receiving botox

01:04:49.820 were 34 or younger and so this is a growing cohort over time so that's you know more than a quarter of

01:04:56.780 people even getting this are young and you see it though you can see it's very obvious because they

01:05:02.940 have like that blank you know this you know they don't smile with their eyes anymore or there's not

01:05:08.540 really an expression you know like you know warm you know the warm kind expression with a smile it

01:05:13.500 just becomes a little dead um yeah it's horrible you can see it at a glance quite often if it's a bad

01:05:19.660 case anyway um i don't know if you're getting onto this but is it just vanity is it pure vanity do you

01:05:26.940 think well we've got the uh example of uh one woman called clara gasper here who wrote last year

01:05:34.300 why she's at 26 getting botox why so many young women are following suit so let's let's find out

01:05:41.100 shall we she says 10 years ago at the age of 16 i noticed my first wrinkle 16 noticing wrinkles yeah

01:05:47.100 i doubt it well maybe i mean your face moved when you smiled yeah exactly that's not a wrinkle

01:05:54.860 like trust me i know uh you know she uh she says you know it disappear when i relax my face but i

01:06:01.020 took it as a disturbing sign the inevitable aging process had already begun a couple of years later

01:06:05.100 i noticed other another line beginning to develop then another now i have six or seven crow's feet

01:06:09.180 depending on how wide i'm grinning as well as several horizontal lines on my forehead i fixated on

01:06:14.060 them when i look when i look back at beaming photos it's like that's crazy to me because like

01:06:19.660 there's nothing wrong with having a face right yeah expression that moves yeah you know i think

01:06:27.580 a lot of people don't realize i think it can be a bit of dehydration as well like if you're not

01:06:31.820 drinking enough water if you haven't got moisture on your skin a lot of that you know it's just like

01:06:36.060 when a when a leaf's a little bit dry it kind of goes a bit wrinkled up but but for these people to be

01:06:43.420 mike a little bit closer oh sorry so for these people to be um fixating on that at such a young

01:06:49.420 age is quite crazy and maybe it's to do with filters you know all these social media filters

01:06:54.700 that make everybody all very very smooth but they don't know what people look like in real life

01:07:00.540 and they've forgotten what they should look like in life so i i find this really fascinating she says

01:07:05.180 i used to observe this process with fascination rather than horror but now age 26 the grand old age of

01:07:10.620 26 i'm ready for those creases to stop multiplying it's like right okay i've got some bad news for you

01:07:17.820 you've got to come to terms with the fact you're not gonna look like a youthful kid anymore yes and

01:07:24.300 that's literally all this boils down to the desire to arrest this current moment in their appearance

01:07:30.780 forever it's like no that's not how the world works you know you're gonna have to get used to the

01:07:34.700 fact that you change uh luckily i just got more handsome most people that's not the case it's bad

01:07:40.940 it seems like an actual pathology and i guess it affects lots and lots of people particularly women

01:07:45.820 uh i feel really sorry for them yeah you know that thing um quite often you see on twitter or just on

01:07:51.660 the internet it's like look at this this actor or actress in the 80s and look at them now it's like

01:07:56.220 yeah they got older yeah decades past yeah you get older yeah i mean it's easy for me to say because

01:08:02.540 i realized i was going bald really early i was 16 or 17. my hairline's going um by the time i'm like

01:08:08.700 18 or 19 just i just come to terms with it and i've had extremely short hair as a child it was no

01:08:14.060 problem just to shave my head for me i just come to terms with it and get over it but that's and it's

01:08:18.780 easy for me to say that but if you for whatever reason can't get over it can't deal with the fact

01:08:24.380 you've got a wrinkle now i'm sorry for this is the point isn't it like you you're like okay i've

01:08:29.260 moved to a new stage of my life you know this is i i've become a different person i've grown older and

01:08:34.460 i've you know there are stages in your life that you move through as you know you'd be a young person

01:08:38.380 to an adult sort of you know sort of patriarch to a sort of grandfather you know and the the sort of

01:08:43.820 pre-modern interpretation of a human life is that you'll occupy all of these stages and so you need

01:08:49.100 to be prepared for all of these but actually we live in a culture that doesn't have any guidance

01:08:53.980 for men or women as they grow older and it just kind of says no no we're only going to fixate on

01:08:59.100 you in your 20s and so you better hope like you're staying like that forever because everything after

01:09:03.580 that's bad and i also think there's a big pharmaceutical push as well because these are

01:09:07.180 all pharmaceutical products and i i mean i've never researched to see what this industry makes

01:09:13.100 but i can guarantee it's bill it got to be billions it's 3.6 billion there you go last year and is that just in

01:09:19.980 the uk or is that that's just that's just that's not even america so and then we're watching all these

01:09:24.540 american actresses or tv stars and then you're seeing and even when i did the housewives of cheshire

01:09:30.700 they'd love to show the women having procedures done i mean i didn't do it but that would be

01:09:36.620 you know part of the thing someone's getting their cheeks i mean this is the most disgusting one i've

01:09:41.420 watched on there someone getting their cheeks threaded to pull their cheeks up they literally put

01:09:46.220 threads in it's so disgusting and pull their face up with these threads and you know that

01:09:52.140 every season somebody's off getting injected with something or other or having come some kind of

01:09:57.580 surgery um and then even on my um instagram so i'm assuming this must be the same for young girls on my

01:10:06.380 instagram because they've taken off the hashtag feature where i could choose what i want to see they

01:10:12.540 give me suggestions and for some reason they keep giving me facelift suggestions let me get horrible

01:10:19.020 let me get back to that because that's interesting how you bring that up right so she uh she says uh

01:10:24.540 until a few years ago i considered botox an ill-advised treatment reserved for older women that could leave

01:10:29.180 you with a frozen rather startled expression but after seeing plenty of people my age who have had it and

01:10:33.660 honestly look great i've changed my mind it's okay i'm sure that you know when you're 26 years old you can do

01:10:38.860 these things and in the moment they look fine but as things change as you pointed out this is going

01:10:44.540 to have a long-term detrimental effect but she says some will wonder why on earth young people without

01:10:49.580 wrinkles want stick needles in their face they'll blame extreme vanity or intense insecurity but to

01:10:54.220 them i say try growing up with instagram in your pockets in an age where filtered photos and clever

01:11:00.700 plastic surgery make it seem like the signs of aging are optional it's no wonder that i like many

01:11:05.500 of my contemporaries feel pressure to preempt or ravages of time you're exactly right it is the

01:11:11.420 fact that it's instagram again this is one of those okay you know social media bad for boys you know

01:11:16.300 adolescents i agree now let's talk about whether it's good for girls and actually this is kind of

01:11:21.020 demented but the 26 year i was like you know what i'm too old i need to fix my face no it's crazy and

01:11:27.260 when you see like i said these things popping up on your instagram with the fillers but then you see

01:11:31.820 um you'll see somebody on tv and you'll see their filtered program but what their filtered pictures

01:11:39.260 on instagram but when you actually see them say in a paparazzi picture you can see like all the lumps

01:11:45.740 of filler where it's all migrated and then you know you've got kylie jenner she did so much at such a young

01:11:52.860 age and she's looked at by so many people and so many you know girls that i guess it's kind of just

01:12:00.780 being pushed and promoted and saying like this is and and and i see on one of the comments there

01:12:06.300 it says um it's driven by women i just i think it is i think it is i don't think there's men driving

01:12:10.860 this at all but i i think that we can take her a word from this saying look you know it's it's

01:12:15.820 instagram it's social media i'm seeing all of this on social media and it's making it's putting

01:12:20.700 it in my mind it's what i'm perceiving you know because if she was like running around a house chasing

01:12:24.220 after her kids or something she wouldn't be thinking about this she'd be thinking about nappies right

01:12:27.820 her algorithm like these these nappies be good or these wet wipes or whatever right it's it's about

01:12:32.220 the life that she's leading and she's just on instagram looking at where and when you see like

01:12:37.020 i've seen videos of the instagram models setting up photos they take like six hours to set one photo

01:12:43.500 so every little thing and then they touch it with photoshop and stuff like that then they put it up and

01:12:46.700 it's like that's got to be bad for women's self-perception it has to be bad because you will never just

01:12:52.220 look like that normally and most men men aren't looking at these things either right so men aren't like

01:12:57.260 getting a distorted opinion of what a woman should actually look like through instagram because we

01:13:01.500 just like look at women but right that's a normal woman that's a normal one right i know what a

01:13:05.020 woman looks like and so that's how my standards are calibrated you know so it's like this is something

01:13:09.980 it seems that women are definitely doing to themselves yeah and i think a lot of the female

01:13:15.020 influencers unless it's like maybe a bikini model or something but a lot of the female fashion

01:13:19.580 influencers or beauty influencers are followed by women oh yeah they're not you know they're not

01:13:24.220 followed they're not they're doing you know what i'm wearing and you know long outfits and stuff for

01:13:29.580 guys it is for other women because they're getting paid to then get you know those their followers then

01:13:35.740 go out and purchase the outfit so you know a culture of sort of fairly extreme vanity isn't healthy and i

01:13:43.740 can't really relate to it because i'm like i'm not very mean person i'm like well i don't think i've

01:13:50.860 ever taken a selfie in my life maybe once or twice because i had to for some reason for like

01:13:56.540 a website needed a facial recognition or something um i just don't take selfies like i don't you see

01:14:01.660 some people often women younger women you need to start taking selfies yeah um you see you often

01:14:08.540 young women perhaps on the train and they're just looking at themselves on their phone oh yeah they're

01:14:12.780 just endlessly just looking at themselves yeah i see it all the time right i've seen it i've seen it

01:14:18.700 it all over the place in restaurants everywhere and it's not even the food anymore it's themselves

01:14:24.060 in a restaurant um so people that take hundreds of selfies or just a regular thing part of their day

01:14:31.180 is to take a few selfies or just to look at themselves in in a mirror or in a shop front

01:14:35.900 just to i don't do that i've never done that i generation of narcissists i feel a fraud wearing

01:14:42.300 loads and loads because i've got loads of makeup on because i'm on your podcast i'm like well i should

01:14:46.540 show up respectable when i'm home on the farm i just my poor fiancee if i do my hair and put makeup

01:14:52.460 on he he used to say oh you look nice what you're doing or now it's like what podcast are you going

01:14:57.900 on because he knows i must be doing a podcast if i got makeup on so you know that's as far as it goes

01:15:04.220 for me so uh i want to carry on a little bit this this is just fascinating she says and she makes a

01:15:10.060 reasonably good argument as to the state of the culture as well right says we've uh we've grown up

01:15:15.340 believing that it's normal to change things that you don't like about your appearance thinks too

01:15:18.460 fat there's a jab for that nose too big get surgery as for botox it can only erase fine lines not deep

01:15:23.820 wrinkles so why wait well this is why so many women my age are opting to get it before those

01:15:28.940 age-betraying wrinkles have made themselves known and that's a fair point i mean we are exactly that

01:15:34.540 kind of culture rather than promoting a lifestyle of virtue where you do exercise and you eat

01:15:40.860 healthily and you take care of yourself for your own good and for others we instead say no you can

01:15:46.300 just eat what you want and we will find a pill for that jab for that you don't have to change your

01:15:51.180 lifestyle that's causing all of these negative effects uh we can just use science to fix it and

01:15:57.660 so it's no surprise that they'd be like yeah okay well i'll do that since it's readily available and

01:16:01.820 affordable uh and your point about the algorithm earlier she says in the process of researching botox

01:16:07.660 treatments i clearly generated a brand new algorithm and every advert on instagram on my

01:16:11.900 instagram account is now a before and after shot flogging aesthetic clinics near me while i like to

01:16:17.100 think i can see through the apps attempts to exploit my insecurities i'm sure it's subconsciously tempting

01:16:22.140 and again it people react to what they are constantly exposed to right see and i get the same kind of

01:16:29.500 suggestions come up but sometimes i look at them in horror so i click because i'm like oh my god i've

01:16:34.380 got to see this like it's horrific field you in yeah and they reeled me in and so that just makes

01:16:38.940 your algorithm stronger so i think then i get more and what i've got to do is like however horrific it

01:16:44.540 is or however drastic i've just got to say right no i'm gonna go and pick on some flowers or something

01:16:50.460 some dogs or something else there's a rather large facebook group called the dull men's club i just like

01:16:55.660 to credit them with keeping my algorithm clean whenever i'm i'm like no i don't want to see any more

01:17:00.700 of that i go click on their page and i get very boring things like fixing shelves or something

01:17:04.700 it is annoying when you click on something to hate watch it but then the algorithm thinks you want

01:17:09.420 that now it's like no i clicked on check you go one time and now you and now you keep but you're you

01:17:16.940 advocate that don't you just living healthy be healthy and eat healthy and you won't age because

01:17:22.540 you're still very youthful looking right i don't know don't assume too hard i don't assume too over

01:17:27.340 the top but like you should say you know eat healthy yeah and be healthy and you you won't

01:17:31.900 age terribly you don't need surgery when you're 41 radical advice well this is it it's like you know

01:17:38.940 it's not a vanity thing i just want a healthy body so i don't get sick and i don't get ill and i can

01:17:44.060 keep pursuing all my hobbies and all the things that i love doing and um that's why i want to keep

01:17:48.860 my body nice and healthy so i think eat well exercise well give yourself like the good the correct

01:17:54.540 nutrition and correct amount of fluids and stuff and you know i think that helps when people here

01:18:00.620 eat well what they hear i think is eat salads and it's like no you don't have to you can eat really

01:18:06.300 nice food just not like deep fried junk exactly that's literally that simple seed oils because

01:18:12.140 they have seed a massive tub of ice cream at 3am stop doing that for a start well i'm out let me

01:18:18.220 but uh but anyway yeah the the lip filler as you pointed out uh definitely is causing a lot of

01:18:24.220 damage and you can see these are obviously young women you know sort of 20 23 something like that

01:18:29.500 and i mean just again just to be clear as a man there is nothing appealing about this it's unnatural

01:18:36.940 isn't it it's clearly obviously at a glance unnatural yeah it's completely unnatural it's it you know if

01:18:43.900 if my wife were like this doesn't make me want to kiss women you know this is

01:18:48.620 you know kind of horrific don't do it don't agree with it don't think you should i don't

01:18:53.740 think you're helping yourselves it looks like you've been smashed in the mouth you've got two

01:18:57.340 fat lips yeah you know when you talked about me having my horse smack me around the face my lip

01:19:02.780 ended up looking something like that on her on half the side one side yeah so uh we like they've

01:19:10.700 spoken some doctors for this and they say quote we've seen patients with massive stream of

01:19:15.100 complications such as infections bruising disfigured lips and necrosis uh where the

01:19:20.700 flesh begins to eat itself dying yeah so the first the flesh yeah so i mean it's not good and uh

01:19:27.580 perhaps most frightening of all some some studies show that too much botox can prematurely age you

01:19:32.620 which is ironic right uh and various doctors uh from america who have done this sort of thing

01:19:39.820 have said uh if you do too much botox in your forehead for many many years the muscles become

01:19:43.660 weaker and flatter and makes the skin up in thinner and looser and so you're going to look

01:19:47.820 rinkly right no no you are absolutely right i'm just like this pot of useless knowledge

01:19:55.420 you are absolutely right in fact let's what's interesting as well is at the end

01:19:59.020 of this one she kind of accepts that that's the case right and uh she says

01:20:08.860 right at the bottom here here we go right so she says um admittedly my generation are

01:20:14.700 baby botox guinea pigs uh we don't know what the long-term effects will be until it's too late

01:20:19.100 we kind of do actually uh yeah i'm ashamed to say my concern pales into near insignificance

01:20:23.980 each time i catch those pesky lines around my eyes if it's a case of look great now pay later so be it

01:20:30.460 besides every day a new study of what article warns me that my diet coke obsession or sedentary job is

01:20:34.780 shortening my lifespan what's an injection of profile well i don't think the issue is this

01:20:38.460 going to shorten your lifespan is that by the time you're 35 when you could still be a very youthful

01:20:43.820 looking attractive woman if you just have a nice healthy lifestyle uh you're going to look like an old

01:20:49.100 crone and stuff like this does seem to me to border on uh minor like a pathology yeah that

01:20:59.260 you've got there's a problem in your mind yeah about it exactly the problem is her perception of

01:21:03.660 her lines your forehead as well of all things your forehead's supposed to be lined there's no way it

01:21:08.060 won't be i don't understand this when like the male version would be like maybe body dysmorphia or

01:21:13.180 something a guy gets obsessed with having massive calves or something weird it's like

01:21:18.540 really that's the thing you're gonna you're gonna get all worried about is how big your

01:21:22.540 calves are or whatever it is i mean i do have a bit of a paranoia about my forehead because i have an

01:21:27.500 extremely wrinkly forehead as pointed out by one of the housewives of cheshire who i swear they were

01:21:32.780 trying to get me to go and get oh thanks very much just a forehead though it's gotta be a dm by the

01:21:37.820 way you've got a wrinkly forehead yeah thanks you know what you can definitely tell i can't hide my

01:21:42.220 reaction to anything because i speak with my entire face but yeah but you know what if you

01:21:47.260 look at madonna and roseanne bar i think that those are the two things like whoever thought

01:21:52.700 when younger roseanne bar would look like a million times better than madonna but she really does

01:21:58.700 madonna looks atrocious like it is grandma please stop yeah like it's gone yeah the youth is gone

01:22:07.500 you are 65 or whatever it is it's like a demon yeah yeah genuinely it's just um that will be filler

01:22:15.020 where it's been all like put in to reshape her face and yeah but anyway so we'll uh we'll we'll

01:22:22.060 leave that there but basically ladies no one else notices your crow's feet or anything you know we

01:22:26.780 don't care it's all in your minds uh don't get this done because you're burning up the future in in

01:22:32.140 service of the present but you're gonna make you know you're gonna have like 10 good years say of

01:22:36.620 being like youthful from like 26 to 35 or whatever uh but then you've got another 30 or 40 years of

01:22:43.660 looking terrible it'll be a false economy yes completely you're but you're burning up the

01:22:47.740 future for the benefit of the present the present doesn't last all that long anyway um

01:22:52.460 ramshack lot says i wish i wish to put out that lip fillers and brazilian butt lifts

01:22:56.540 what brazilian butt lift oh that's when i think you can get like a boob lift but for your butt no i

01:23:05.420 think they inject like a filler in their bums there is something where you i mean i don't know because

01:23:13.180 i would it's not whether they've i've seen where they put implants in and i've seen this woman turning

01:23:18.300 her in butt implants round it was very disgusting i think that is i don't think they're meant to do that

01:23:24.220 but i think brazilian things they inject their bottoms as well i don't know i've heard people

01:23:30.300 have died from yeah but implants samson we haven't we haven't actually got time for the video comments

01:23:35.340 today i'm afraid so apologies to the gold team members we'll do them tomorrow um uh rage quit

01:23:40.700 ninja says uh most beauty stands for women are driven by other women to men cosmetics should

01:23:44.780 compliment a woman's face not replace it well there is something to that i mean like if you look at the

01:23:49.420 sort of like sydney sweeney types uh that's that's clearly not for other women uh her beauty standards

01:23:55.340 uh she's clearly

01:24:00.220 samson american actress samson gets i think it's the same for men as well in terms of

01:24:04.860 being uh built and buff and oh yeah the body's role it's like um dudes egg each other on to do that

01:24:11.580 i think mainly so yeah beauty standards are clearly for men right yeah and that's fine that's totally

01:24:18.700 normal you know that you you can tell the constituency she's appealing to uh the botox

01:24:24.460 stuff and all that sort of stuff that's very clearly women yeah i think it's the same with

01:24:29.660 men right i've never it is the same with the i've never had a girlfriend who said i insist you get

01:24:33.900 bigger shoulders and pecs yeah right but in the gym it'll be dudes egging each other on for more reps

01:24:39.100 get bigger get bigger eat big yeah it's men on men stuff yeah so it's just the same with women like

01:24:45.100 you must have no wrinkles are women generally attracted to roided up muscle hulks i personally

01:24:50.380 am not i'm not i've never met one at all but yeah not at all yeah that's yeah anyway so that's that's

01:24:57.340 true uh race quit ninja says uh most beauty stands for women are red on uh that's a random name says

01:25:02.620 as a 28 year old man i am eternally grateful to these insecure wenches for making it so easy to

01:25:06.700 filter them out of the dating pool uh that's a good point that's a great point honest you're on a

01:25:12.620 dating app and you can see someone with like a puffed up face swipe left i think that's how it

01:25:17.660 works uh anyway george says uh i don't think there will be a proper civil war there are no two clearly

01:25:22.540 defined sides other than the islamo leftists and normies trying to protect their kids the english

01:25:27.260 still trust the state and institutions way too much for anything to erupt on a massive scale

01:25:31.580 yeah and i think i i do think there's something to that i think that one of the reasons we're seeing

01:25:35.740 these sort of like it's civil war coming articles is because in another country that wasn't britain

01:25:42.220 well it'd be all over the streets right i mean they were like france they're constantly rioting

01:25:46.540 and things like this whereas we're like not doing anything and so i think they're kind of

01:25:50.380 are we in the eye of the storm or something you know you said earlier on the line that you surprised

01:25:54.540 that there's not more anger more uprising that hasn't happened already yeah i remember in um 2005 with

01:26:00.620 the 77 things i was caught up in that in a minor way i was surprised there was no repercussions

01:26:06.620 then after the manchester arena after the endless revelations of the grooming gangs nothing and it's

01:26:12.700 only after the southport thing that anything that's really ever happened right um it's surprised it is

01:26:18.060 sort of surprising because again if you look at times gone by um at different places in the world but

01:26:23.580 also britain in centuries past sometimes there'll be like one murder and the whole country and the

01:26:29.180 whole country goes mad yeah i think the moore's murders right you know like that that's a kind

01:26:35.980 of legendary event now you know it's a series of murders but it's not widespread i was thinking like

01:26:43.820 in the medieval period like one kid gets murdered and and the whole community gets massacred oh well

01:26:49.660 pogroms right yeah not always against jews could be against all sorts of things it could be against

01:26:53.980 like the the dutch wool merchants we're gonna butcher the dutch wool merchants now because they did this one

01:26:58.220 thing but what's crazy to me and which is why i think some of it's kind of pre-planned or orchestrated

01:27:04.060 is that we saw more people getting out to the streets over you know george floyd which happened

01:27:10.300 in america it's not even an english or british issue and we saw people going crazy over that and like

01:27:17.820 where's that same passion for what's you know going on in our country by the british people yeah

01:27:23.580 pierre stumber didn't bend the knee for the southport girls did he no yeah it is a remark the juxtaposition

01:27:29.420 is remarkable between the george floyd incident and its repercussions and uh equivalence in the white

01:27:37.660 community yeah i mean locking up for social media tweets i mean this is this is what's crazy to me that

01:27:45.820 you know so many people have been put away for something they've said a lot of things weren't even that bad

01:27:51.580 no a lot totally blown out of context a woman saying i don't care if they burn a mosque okay or

01:27:56.620 a hotel okay not great but it's not incitement to violence it's a statement of indifference we

01:28:02.700 mentioned i'd say for it's like the the thought police yeah they'll they'll come for you

01:28:09.420 but i think this is so that's kind of why i'm sat on that problem reaction solution thing of do they

01:28:15.740 actually want one to happen so that they really can have the thought police out there and put the thought

01:28:21.020 police in place for more control the only the only objection i really have to that is it implies a

01:28:26.620 level of cognant uh cognition and planning that i don't think they're capable of i don't think

01:28:32.460 kistam is that smart i don't think angela rainer is that smart i don't think you know any any of the

01:28:36.700 people in charge are actually bright enough to orchestrate some sort of 4d chess what about the people

01:28:42.780 in those three letter acronym clubs like the w-e-f and and well just like in 1984 the way that picture

01:28:51.260 is microphoned you know that bit where this is we are the dead and the thought police are just like

01:28:55.500 you are the dead well that's everyone's phone edward snowden told us that whether it's gchq or the nsa

01:29:02.380 they can if they want to they can just watch or hear everything that's in the earshot of your phone

01:29:07.820 if they want to just like in 1984 they've bugged your room essentially well the ads definitely do

01:29:13.420 yeah definitely do a million percent is the creepiest thing isn't it but the thing is right

01:29:20.060 so i've had this where i've literally just had thoughts in my head right and i've i've literally

01:29:25.260 been like watching something on tv or i've been doing something like didn't you know cooking dinner

01:29:29.820 or something i had a thought oh that's an interesting thing maybe i'll look at that later i

01:29:33.980 haven't said anything verbal i haven't spoken to anyone i haven't googled anything it's just a

01:29:38.380 thought crossed my mind and then the next time i put my phone that thing will be on my phone i'm

01:29:41.820 like right okay this is weird i've had that before it feels like i've had that before yeah and the

01:29:45.740 only thing i can assume is that there's a kind of uh like a network of pattern that you're doing and

01:29:52.380 so things that you've done it like increases the likelihood that you're going to have that thought

01:29:57.020 so there's kind of a predictive element to it i can only assume that's it because i'm sure they're

01:30:01.500 not reading my mind i actually think that is a possible thing because i actually watched a

01:30:06.060 hypnosis a guy that does hypnosis um get somebody to draw a bit of art right and it was very similar

01:30:14.380 to what he'd done but what he'd done is he picked the artist up drove the artist through certain places

01:30:20.140 to give them prompts and so it was a very similar uh picture to what he'd put on like a bear and they

01:30:28.380 pop zoo or something like that i can't quite nlp neuro linguistic programming yeah i can only assume

01:30:33.900 just suggest things to people and then you know what they're going to think but say potentially

01:30:39.340 yeah neuro linguistic programming it's uh yeah yeah no there's a whole field of study um and we'll

01:30:45.500 we'll end on uh omar says all mps beside rupert lowe are completely out of touch because

01:30:49.740 their preference that their only reference for public sentiment is the westminster bubble muslims don't

01:30:54.300 need to be a significant portion of the electorate just westminster the tipping point was allowing

01:30:58.380 foreigners to gain public office because nobody finds hannah for their corner than a usurper

01:31:03.580 to be honest good point yeah um but he's he's actually right like the the perception of the

01:31:08.300 politicians that muslims are everywhere but it's actually no they're not what are you talking about

01:31:11.820 you know they're concentrated in a few towns and cities but anyway lalani where can people find more

01:31:16.860 of you if they'd like to find um well i got thrown off instagram so um why oh i think it was

01:31:24.140 for speaking games lockdowns showing how people have to walk into shops without masks oh i can see

01:31:28.860 why they did that um but i am on there as lani dowd so half of my first name and half of my second

01:31:35.260 name and then on twitter lalani dowding i thought i'm usually on there a lot more it's a bit more of

01:31:40.620 like you're quite unforgiving with your tweets i'm a bit rude aren't i do you know i use as i need to

01:31:47.820 rant i need to like i said to you i can't if i'm in a bad mood i don't want to ride my horses because

01:31:51.900 they pick up on it so i just get everything out on twitter it's like a purge of my anger

01:31:57.980 it's good i think it's funny yeah you're not taking any prisoners a lot of the time and i see

01:32:03.260 this twitter i'm like oh bloody hell but my type i get typos because i don't know if you've seen the

01:32:07.100 gif of permit the frog just like and that's me when i'm typing so there's a there's a few typos in

01:32:13.340 there and i'm like shit now i got deleted it ruins everything doesn't it yeah i was gonna give it to

01:32:17.580 them then i misspelled something so anyway go go follow lalani and uh we'll be back in half an

01:32:22.940 hour with lads hour where we are playing ethno guesser which i'm sure will be fun and uncontroversial

01:32:29.260 so uh we'll see we'll see you then

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - April 04, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1136

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