The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1138

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the podcast of the lotus eaters for the 8th of april 2025

00:00:14.620 for some reason i've got in our document it's 2024 i clearly forgot what year it was but i've

00:00:19.420 remembered now and i'm joined by beau and we're going to be talking about how labor is britain's

00:00:26.240 most right-wing party and then beau what are you going to be telling us about today um i'm just

00:00:33.420 going to talk about trump's ongoing attempts to deal with the illegal aliens in the united states

00:00:39.960 i know it's tariff mania at the moment it's wall-to-wall tariff stuff in the mainstream

00:00:44.380 it's a respite from tariffs really yeah right because we're going to deal with that at some

00:00:48.420 point i'll probably talk about it later in the week the office is somewhat divided on the tariffs

00:00:52.440 yeah uh the tub man himself is a big fan of the tariffs but stellios and i have been pretty

00:00:59.180 uh critical of them well it swings and roundabouts i'm not completely against them but there are

00:01:04.760 downsides anyway um i'm not completely against them either i just want to see i was gonna i was

00:01:10.380 considering doing a segment about it today but i thought no because the markets are in such turmoil

00:01:15.360 monday was terrible across the board but so far on tuesday this has been recorded on tuesday if

00:01:20.000 anyone's watching this on youtube at a later date uh watching this bit though no i won't be watching

00:01:24.720 this okay uh but the markets seem to be recovering a bit already so in any way it's just so tumultuous

00:01:33.380 that i think it's worth waiting a bit to see if and when the markets settle a bit before i start

00:01:40.320 talking about the tariffs anyway well my bugbear wasn't even about the tariffs per se it's about

00:01:44.760 the discussion about trade deficits but that's uh slightly different yeah that that was the sort

00:01:50.260 of justification for it but we're getting sidetracked here yeah i'm gonna be talking about

00:01:54.720 immigration and aliens and i'm gonna be talking about um on the topic of aliens india um not that

00:02:01.100 they've landed in india but um just that um the the crime statistics seem to obfuscate some sort of

00:02:10.200 characters of specific crimes that you wouldn't necessarily get from the raw numbers alone and

00:02:14.840 this is sort of one of those observations that as a research psychologist seemed very intuitive to me

00:02:20.760 and then i actually started speaking to people and they didn't really get it and so i'm going to walk

00:02:25.020 through and basically highlight how yes the crime statistics may say one thing but sometimes a number

00:02:31.200 can conceal a reality and you've got to have a deeper look at something to be able to understand it

00:02:35.940 and i'm just using india as a case study really okay anyway enough of all that that was about

00:02:41.460 three whole minutes of introduction let's actually get on to the meat and potatoes that is labor so

00:02:47.580 this isn't a segment where we praise the labor party i've not received a blow to the head recently

00:02:53.260 don't worry i'm in perfect well reasonably well mental health and um the point of this is more going

00:03:01.800 to be um that the conservatives are obsessing over things like diversity and nigel farage has been

00:03:07.380 going around telling everyone that he's not racist and he loves islam um doesn't care what religion

00:03:12.320 you are or what skin color you have anything about you doesn't care about anything he's completely

00:03:16.580 indifferent he doesn't care about you is what nigel wants to really get across uh but the labor

00:03:22.820 party has quietly been in parliament uh the one party in parliament really quietly pushing some

00:03:29.500 right-wing things and partly to shame the supposedly real right-wing parties but also for the sake of

00:03:38.020 a bit of humor we're gonna pretend the labor party is actually good today and they're doing good things

00:03:43.620 well it's funny isn't it that the the further that the more radical ends of the bell curve in whatever

00:03:50.960 given movement you're in will sort of always be disappointed with any moderates

00:03:56.240 right it's quite often even thinking about it just now even quite often assassinations are quite

00:04:02.380 often done by people more radical people in your on on your side of the aisle right i've never really

00:04:09.600 thought about it like that but i suppose so often yeah like arch arch nationalists killed gandhi for

00:04:16.480 example or or arch arch zionist killed uh that the the jewish prime minister in uh back in the 90s

00:04:25.080 uh it's often it is often the way um so yeah you can imagine hardcore lefties accusing well i can't

00:04:32.680 imagine i know they do hard hardcore lefties accusing starmer of being right wing

00:04:37.240 obviously he's not actually right of course he's not but what they've been trying to do is because

00:04:43.380 there's an upcoming local election and they're a little bit worried that it's going to be a forecast

00:04:47.100 for the next election which is all the way in 2029 um is that they're trying to posture themselves

00:04:53.860 as sort of i suppose they're trying to lay claim to some of the the right-wing ground in british

00:05:01.160 politics and they're trying to target the tories and reform at their own game and it's interesting

00:05:07.420 to see it play out because in many ways labor have been more effective at doing this sort of thing

00:05:12.720 than the conservatives have when they were in government and that's not me being hyperbolic

00:05:16.760 or silly there's genuinely some things here that the labor party have done more easily than the

00:05:22.200 conservatives and i think that that's by design because the civil service and the entire apparatus

00:05:26.960 of government is sort of set up to be activated when labor gets in right because of the constitutional

00:05:34.540 reforms of new labor and everything has sort of been set up to work when they're in power and when

00:05:41.700 other people are not in power less so and i think that's also to do with the personnel as well oh yeah

00:05:47.140 just just the actual human members of the judiciary and the civil service are sympathetic to leftism

00:05:55.500 of course because they you know there's a selection pressure to be sympathetic towards

00:06:00.260 expanding the state if you work for the state as well you know people who believe in big government

00:06:06.260 tend to work for the government just just what it is but i've seen lots of this recently uh keir starmer

00:06:13.500 leads most right-wing government in a generation says x labor mp and i think that's actually kind of

00:06:18.700 true probably is certainly more right-wing than the previous conservative government and um there was this

00:06:26.060 from about three months ago the end of last year keir starmer amongst least left-wing labor mps study

00:06:31.520 fines which is more of a condemnation of the other labor mps than keir starmer that is from the guardian

00:06:38.120 i mean that's exactly what i was saying earlier it is like full-blown corbynistas tankies like actual

00:06:44.500 commies that kind of hate starmer for for not being hardline enough let's remember that he carried out

00:06:52.940 a massive purge of the labor party's left wing didn't he yeah all of the jeremy corbyn anti-semitism

00:06:59.120 stuff i mean i don't actually believe he's anti-semitic to be honest he's just an islamophile

00:07:06.960 yeah and i think that all of that sort of thing was just to get rid of them really wasn't it it was

00:07:13.460 the whole labor anti-semitism scandal was just a way of carrying out a socially acceptable purge

00:07:19.460 but that he did remove the whip from a number of it wasn't that many though was it wasn't only like

00:07:24.260 four or five or ten mps he removed the yeah well straight away on day one there were a handful weren't

00:07:31.940 there yeah it's for various reasons it wasn't for one specific one but they're basically just people

00:07:37.060 that might cause him problems so let's actually look at what they've done rather than what people

00:07:42.320 are saying about them well you may may remember back in you know january of this year the home

00:07:49.100 office was claiming that claims that the police are two-tier or justice was two-tier is an extreme

00:07:55.600 right-wing narrative now this would be interesting uh particularly so if they adopted that narrative

00:08:04.160 and uh you may we actually covered this didn't we the reversal of the sentencing council's

00:08:09.680 new guidelines which had special rules for ethnic minorities and women so it basically explicitly

00:08:17.300 discriminated against white men when it comes to the justice system and um yeah the the justice

00:08:24.920 secretary of the labor government um said um this is a direct quote it amounts to differential treatment

00:08:32.200 and the government will fight it um and remove all of those specific aspects of it and it's basically

00:08:40.260 an admission of two-tier justice isn't it because she's saying that there's different treatment depending

00:08:45.920 on who you are which is the entire crux of that two-tier um narrative as they called it and yeah

00:08:54.040 they're basically pushing back against this which is interesting i i wouldn't say that they're you know

00:08:59.920 true believers i'm saying that they're doing it for cynical electoral reasons so don't necessarily

00:09:05.560 buy into it but it is interesting it's uh it's something a bit deeper there as well that

00:09:12.640 notice that the government with a big majority the government have got to fight their own

00:09:19.120 their own the sentencing council is independent right the government yeah they've got there's any sort

00:09:25.360 fight there that the government just can't just immediately do as they please it's just odd i mean

00:09:33.220 we've got lots of independent institutions that are basically just a a check on the power of a

00:09:39.980 government that might get um delusions of grandeur from the perspective of the globalist faction

00:09:45.000 those things the whole rotten edifice needs to be torn down the government should be able for better

00:09:52.640 or worse shouldn't have to answer to or have to go to battle with a body like that it should be with

00:09:59.560 the cabinet it's like in america where uh the state will create an investigating body in order to

00:10:09.260 investigate itself it happens all the time yeah well like the whole purpose of like setting up an

00:10:15.800 independent inquiry is that it puts the issue to bed without having to deal with it they talk about

00:10:20.180 that in uh what's it called yes minster don't they or the thick of it both of them acknowledge that

00:10:25.840 same thing but anyway um you need not worry though because keir starmer has declared an end of

00:10:31.680 globalization and globalism um recently which i thought was interesting and i'm going to read a

00:10:38.820 little bit from this because um you must mean only in an economic sense yeah i think so so keir starmer

00:10:46.280 will declare the end of globalization admit it has failed the public amid the growing fallout of

00:10:51.060 donald trump imposing uh global trade tariffs including 10 on the uk the prime minister will argue

00:10:56.780 in a speech on monday the shock from the u.s president's trade war means britain must move

00:11:01.680 further and faster cutting red tape to boost economic growth cut red tape that sounds familiar

00:11:07.820 doesn't it that's the kind of thing that i would say so yeah we've got to make it easier to do

00:11:12.080 business in our country it's interesting isn't it sentiment is um yeah not leftist even libertarian

00:11:20.020 it is yeah um but i doubt whether he sort of really means a word of it or they'll replace

00:11:24.680 the red tape with other red tape and it's just economically right he does it's not like the end

00:11:29.240 of globalism as in the free movement of peoples yeah i don't think he's necessarily saying that he's

00:11:34.800 just he just means in the trade sense and apparently in an article on sunday he said

00:11:38.960 the world as we knew it has gone we must rise to meet the moment there you go so another thing he's

00:11:45.560 done is he kept the conservatives two child benefit cap so um previously before the conservatives

00:11:52.740 introduced this you could have three four five six who knows how many children and you would receive

00:11:58.580 money proportionate to the number of kids you had and then they capped it at two two children so

00:12:04.100 basically like replacement birth rate any above that and you're paying for them yourself

00:12:08.460 which um i don't believe in that sort of welfare anyway obviously the government's ruined the

00:12:14.900 economy anyway so people have to rely on handouts but in an ideal world the government wouldn't be

00:12:20.220 involved in this and people's stolen tax money wouldn't be given to other people to have kids

00:12:24.260 they can't afford and yeah i don't i can't afford to raise free children currently so i shouldn't have

00:12:30.460 to pay tax so someone else can i don't i think that's an innate sense of fairness of course

00:12:35.660 traditionally the left is very much in favor of just let's just throw as much money to single

00:12:40.980 mothers as humanly possible that's not going to end in tragedy whatsoever is it but um yes this is a

00:12:47.680 more sort of bread and butter right-wing issue that they've stuck with and um they've received a fair

00:12:54.820 amount of criticism for this apparently a charity has said that labor has already sent 30 000 children

00:13:01.380 into poverty uh it's worth mentioning that if you're in poverty in this day and age then you've

00:13:09.180 probably done something wrong and in fact the definition of poverty is normally calculated based

00:13:14.760 on the median so there will always be a certain percentage of people in poverty normally a charity

00:13:20.220 sets it about the bottom 20 as based on the median income are in poverty and so you could have you could

00:13:28.920 have an infinite number of resources and as long as there are a bottom 20 they'll be in poverty according

00:13:34.780 to that definition so it's basically a way of a charity forever having a reason to exist because they

00:13:40.840 can say all these people are in poverty they're thinking like don't have running water or food but

00:13:45.500 actually being in poverty in modern britain means you can have a car a house flat screen tv um you might

00:13:52.840 not necessarily be living a lavish lifestyle but at the same time you're not like destitute rattling

00:13:59.380 pennies around in a tin can outside of shops on your high street you're not you know a beggar as people

00:14:06.020 might imagine or just dying of starvation in the gutter right yeah yeah that's not really what it

00:14:11.300 means anymore um so yes i just found that interesting and um i was quite surprised at this one when it

00:14:17.920 happened sick and disabled face being stripped of 1200 a year each in welfare benefits as reeves

00:14:24.640 tries to balance the budget so this was interesting to me because i didn't expect the labour party to go

00:14:29.960 after the the sick and disabled uh but here we are um even i have a bit of sympathy to towards those

00:14:36.840 people um because they haven't brought it upon themselves obviously and so actually i think there is

00:14:42.340 a valid claim that they deserve some help but the labour party doesn't think so they think that they

00:14:47.380 deserve less money a year well it's just the obvious thing to say here isn't it is

00:14:53.460 just making the distinction between people that are genuinely disabled and those that aren't because

00:15:00.160 i just think that well we know really that there are lots of people gaming the system one way or another

00:15:04.760 that was because the government created incentives to lie about it really isn't it and the way and

00:15:09.320 and the definitions of what it means so you end up with someone that maybe did injure their foot or

00:15:18.360 their leg or something at work and then they got better but they just claim they haven't they claim

00:15:22.940 they're still in pain keep claiming they're still in pain for 30 years and actually there's nothing wrong

00:15:27.860 with them that and then they're in the same category as someone who's genuinely born with really really bad

00:15:35.720 disability and will never be able to get better and it's entirely not their fault and all that sort

00:15:40.640 of thing so i don't think anyone really begrudges no one really begrudges those people no of course

00:15:46.200 not some sort of state welfare i mean there's some hard hardline people out there hard right people

00:15:51.800 that said there should be no state benefits well i agree with that but i think that charity would

00:15:58.620 actually probably benefit them more if people knew that the money was actually going to genuinely disabled

00:16:03.800 people i think people would be more charitable than if they were paying it via their contributions

00:16:08.520 with tax because also they get a very small slice of the pie in terms of taxation and i think people

00:16:15.340 would be more willing to be generous if they actually voluntarily did it either way in modern britain

00:16:20.060 it seems the case that there are lots and lots of people taking the mickey out of the system

00:16:24.900 perfect example is there's the motability scheme that was meant to help people with disabilities

00:16:29.720 get a car and one of the qualifying things was that you're autistic so you could you could get a

00:16:35.860 nice new mercedes if you're autistic and also you know you could crazy easily fake that if you wanted

00:16:42.920 to i would i'd get an autism diagnosis for a mercedes i'm not autistic but i know how to fake it the

00:16:50.080 worst thing as well i'm joking by the way worst thing about all of that is that it actually

00:16:53.780 screws over the genuinely disabled of course in all sorts of ways well it's a very worst thing about

00:16:59.160 it very immoral thing not only are you taking advantage of people's basically generosity but

00:17:03.300 you're depriving people who need it more than you so it's a very immoral thing to do and um

00:17:09.120 keir starmer wrote an article in the mail angry about illegal migration he's pretending to be yeah yeah

00:17:16.420 of course i'm not not taking him at his word just for the one person in the comments like why are you

00:17:22.340 supporting are you falling for it we're not okay it's just a bit of fun um but yeah he's gone

00:17:28.400 through this arc you know eventually he'll uh be writing for the spectator as well maybe the the

00:17:33.440 telegraph talking about scroungers or i don't know what any sort of thing but yeah he wrote a long

00:17:40.100 article talking about what he's going to do to tackle legal migration how he thinks it's unfair and

00:17:45.080 blah blah blah blah but the fact he's having to say this just suggests that he's reading the room

00:17:49.860 and he knows that people are actually genuinely annoyed about this and something has to be done

00:17:53.840 about it no matter your politics which i think he's more pragmatic than people give him credit for

00:18:01.100 something needs to be said about it because of course you could just use the navy to

00:18:08.000 yeah of course there's small boats things you could do it you could also just deport them all without

00:18:14.860 processing their claims so it's pretty easy but anyway there's lots of solutions we talked about

00:18:19.480 it ad nauseum but one thing we haven't talked about is the fact that per capita starmer is deporting more

00:18:26.600 people than donald trump so um these are the official figures so we're just going off of those

00:18:33.360 and the people that both the us and the uk is aware of britain has approaching quarter of a million

00:18:39.360 the us has 11 million so obviously there's a difference in scale but starmer has deported 24

00:18:44.740 000 in eight months which is about 3 000 per month or 14 per 1 000 a month trump has deported 37 000

00:18:52.160 in three months so obviously much more in a shorter time but also there's much more to begin with

00:18:57.020 which is 12 333 that's probably recurring or 1.1 per 1 000 a month so

00:19:04.360 i think i would question it's 215 000 i mean that might be that's the official figure yeah

00:19:11.920 obviously the the us also has uh unregistered illegals as well that's not the point though

00:19:17.340 is it suppose all right fair enough all right all right fair enough um i'll take it on face value

00:19:22.500 but it's interesting now that all of a sudden there's a left winger in charge and they're actually

00:19:27.600 able to do this sort of thing and no one's saying oh the the human rights oh those poor

00:19:34.340 people people just sort of accept that it's going on and um yeah it's 14 times the rate

00:19:40.140 of trump of course i'm being a bit silly obviously the the the problems are slightly different to one

00:19:48.260 another and also with america you've got sort of like the ms13 cartels and all sorts of other

00:19:55.160 complications also the labor party has kept uh the ban on puberty blockers for under 18s despite

00:20:03.340 lots and lots of campaigning and lots of people uh angry about this sort of thing and they've just

00:20:11.480 ignored it all and kept away the worst excesses from children so yeah no children will be given

00:20:17.660 this sort of credit to them for this one um i think all the other examples you've said one way

00:20:23.800 another have got caveats or it's actually bullshit or it's a spin from their political enemies on the

00:20:30.760 left of them or whatever all the other things so far i've been like oh yeah it's not really though is

00:20:35.780 it they're not actually right-wing things in any real sense even conservative things let alone

00:20:39.880 right-wing things um not that this is but still credit here credit to them here

00:20:45.940 you know i'm loath to give labor and starmer any credit whatsoever but

00:20:50.100 uh fair enough that is good and because and i wouldn't have expected them to do it

00:20:55.820 um you know if you'd asked me the day before the last general election will labor do this

00:21:03.160 i would say no way i'm no way same here i never never saw this coming here we are so

00:21:08.680 once again loath to do it but credit where it's due that's that's a good thing isn't it undeniably

00:21:14.880 another thing that surprised me was this that yvette cooper the home secretary uh set up an

00:21:21.060 elon musk style dodge unit to root out um inefficiency within the home office i didn't

00:21:27.480 realize she would be modeling herself off of elon musk but here we are um they've already started

00:21:33.720 banning away days which cost more and they're also they i think they banned an expensive venue so

00:21:39.700 says expensive away days that involve hiring external venues are also likely to be

00:21:44.680 banned insiders said the move comes after the department hired an opulent central london

00:21:48.740 ballroom to hold an event for civil servants last month and apparently there are facilities that

00:21:54.380 they can do that without having to pay for it and apparently now they're scrutinizing and overseeing

00:22:01.060 every penny whether you can believe that or not i don't believe labor will ever be fiscally

00:22:06.940 responsible because the entire raise on debt for their political party is to spend more money

00:22:11.080 basically the spend more money party which i don't agree with obviously let's say quintessentially

00:22:17.020 british the american version is saving hundreds of millions straight away and uh reworking flows of

00:22:25.440 of capital throughout the world our one is let's not have a party in a ballroom let's have it in a

00:22:32.300 slightly less slightly less grand venue than a ballroom like it's just

00:22:37.240 i just thought it was funny though our version of everything is always on such a smaller usually

00:22:43.900 more lamer scale but no it's good i mean if if they're doing that even if it even if it's for

00:22:50.380 appearances it's still better than nothing isn't it right that's what i was going to say yeah

00:22:53.620 so um i thought this was interesting from early last month civil servants told to deliver or leave

00:23:02.120 as labor overhauls whitehall and obviously you shouldn't take this one at face value because

00:23:06.480 normally when a political party overhauls the civil service they're basically setting it up so it works

00:23:12.080 better for them than their opponents which has already happened and why the labor government's

00:23:16.060 able to do things where others couldn't uh but i think it's interesting that they're taking a harsh

00:23:21.160 public line with them basically saying you know lump it or leave it you're working for us now

00:23:25.420 um so come back to the office because that was a big dispute is we want you back in the office

00:23:30.300 actually doing work rather than sitting at home doing nothing like they had cases where people

00:23:35.100 were doing their gardening and stuff on work hours which is a bit frustrating for someone paid by

00:23:41.360 taxpayer money but yes i think this is one of those things that is probably a bit more bipartisan

00:23:47.920 but obviously the right in british politics is very harsh on the civil service and it appears

00:23:52.880 as if it's a bit more right-wing even if it's probably done just for the sake of we've got lots of

00:23:58.340 left-wing things we want to do and we need you here to do it so i think there's a more practical

00:24:03.960 reason and it's not necessarily ideological but one thing i did enjoy was um recently um there was

00:24:12.720 some research that came out that said over 60 reform uk candidates in local elections are tory

00:24:17.460 defectors and labor picked up on this and started running with ads that um sound like they were made by

00:24:25.720 us like reform candidates are just tories in disguise don't let a tory sneak through

00:24:30.440 and nigel farage's head with an inside it's cami bandlock which to be fair is a legitimate criticism

00:24:39.140 of them they are too close yeah but just not it's just a classic spin isn't it it's yeah that's right

00:24:45.840 they're too close the reform are tory 2.0 but it's not that kim is secretly pulling nigel strings

00:24:53.300 no of course not that though is it and it's also not that labor isn't any you know it's not like

00:24:58.120 labor's distinct from those either they're all the same yeah problem really aren't they and then

00:25:04.040 there was there was more of this and i think i saw nigel farage complaining that the labor party had

00:25:09.340 released 40 pieces of you know propaganda basically insulting reform and you you can see that they

00:25:17.520 basically taken their line on illegal migration because starmer's saying he's going to do things

00:25:23.620 to stop the boats they started addressing the two-tier justice so now reform doesn't actually

00:25:28.060 have any unique talking points of their own where that they're the only party that's addressing the

00:25:33.740 issues because those are the two that they had and now they're gone they're off the table because

00:25:37.700 starmer and eventually the tories will have those as well and it will become just a run-of-the-mill

00:25:42.720 political issue and that's how it gets contained that's how it doesn't get solved and of course

00:25:47.560 reform have their part to play in that as well but um my point being here is that by merit of their

00:25:55.760 electoral ambitions the labor party has um seemingly turned to become the most right-wing party in britain

00:26:03.780 but don't be fooled by it because obviously we all know that they're not actually right-wing they

00:26:09.640 don't actually believe these things they're doing it for pragmatic reasons they're doing it for their

00:26:13.880 image they're doing it to win elections but i thought it'd be a good way to shame a lot of the

00:26:20.040 people that are involved in the conservative and reform parties because if labor can outflank you to

00:26:26.260 the right then you're doing something wrong remember the tories sorry the labor labor and the fabian

00:26:34.620 society that connection there you know the fabian society of course yeah and um being wolves in sheep's

00:26:42.060 clothing um yeah just the yeah completely shameless just lie about anything like that they'll do anything

00:26:48.960 to maintain power wouldn't they i'm gonna read these two comments very quickly ryan uh hennigan says

00:26:54.500 as an american i love that our tariffs matter more than everyone else's i love living in the most

00:26:59.680 important country it's so cool this is probably how it felt to be english for generations back

00:27:04.400 um i'm i'm happy for you i suppose i'm glad you're enjoying it yeah well done um the habsification

00:27:12.040 says uh the last 125 years of legislation here in the uk has been a mistake a great repeal act for

00:27:18.400 the last 125 years would do some good yes let's return to the 19th century please um perhaps not even

00:27:24.960 in the late 19th century that got too modern for my taste but yeah great repeal great repeal act

00:27:31.280 would be nice it's on the cards it's being discussed and we know the legislation we want to get rid of

00:27:38.060 so i think we'll be all right is this mouse on it is indeed okay it's bow time sorry it's the bow show

00:27:47.620 so as i mentioned at the top of the show i considered doing a segment on tariff day because

00:27:54.980 on in the mainstream media it's wall-to-wall trump tariff mania it's like that that is the news cycle

00:28:01.440 today if you love tariffs it is your day today you can on tuesday the 4th of april in the year of our

00:28:08.820 law 2025 that is the story uh but i've decided not to talk about that because we've talked about it

00:28:15.540 before and we're going to talk about it again i want to talk about it again and everyone else is

00:28:19.720 talking about it and it's not that interesting to be another voice in a a sea of voices is it well i

00:28:27.000 just want the market to settle down a bit so we can see because monday was a crazily uh tumultuous day

00:28:34.920 so far on tuesday that is looking not too bad like it's begun to stabilize already even in the asian

00:28:40.440 markets um so i want to leave it a good few days if not a week or more depends how it all plays out

00:28:47.960 um you know just before i start talking about it because we can't see the wood for the trees at the

00:28:53.600 moment too soon we'll see how it goes instantly before i move on to the actual piece today um i think

00:29:00.980 nearly all countries in the world are going to capitulate to trump quite quickly or very quickly

00:29:05.480 uh with the exception maybe of china uh because they actually can and they seem to have the

00:29:11.920 political will to do so and everyone else literally everyone else will just back down lower their

00:29:18.820 tariffs it's a bit of a shame really because i was looking forward to europe becoming a bit more

00:29:23.580 independent and less reliant on the us but there we go well yeah we'll see we'll see how it goes

00:29:29.800 okay so something else um i thought was was interesting we could talk about is the ongoing

00:29:34.560 battle between the trump administration and their efforts uh mass deportation uh because uh like we

00:29:44.500 mentioned in the last segment um it's interesting how quite often a government will have to go go to

00:29:50.700 battle with uh elements of itself or like the the uh the executive have to go to war with the

00:29:59.360 judiciary in this example quite often you know we now live in a world we're in the united states

00:30:04.800 and great britain anyway i'm not talking about all countries in the world but in great britain

00:30:08.140 and the united states and it's sort of designed that way um the government

00:30:12.260 will will have to answer to their own courts right and there's nothing necessarily intrinsically

00:30:20.620 wrong with that well i mean in the united states they were explicitly set up to be a check on the

00:30:25.780 power of both right presidency and the legislature the only problem is well it goes both ways the

00:30:32.960 problem would be if the executive or the legislature get out of hand or controlled by truly evil tyrants

00:30:40.300 let's say or if the judiciary become out of hand if they become completely unreasonable partisan

00:30:46.540 activists one way or another then you're in trouble and it seems to be or certainly here at the

00:30:52.900 lotus seaters our perspective our worldview would say i do argue that both in the united states and

00:31:00.020 great britain the judiciary is is flooded by lefties well it's a lot of judicial activism isn't there

00:31:07.280 right i think that there is more of a culture of sort of pride in your independence in britain than

00:31:15.240 in america that i think there's a lot more judicial activism there but it is coming along here in in

00:31:20.720 sort of leaps and bounds as well we've both got that disease pretty bad i would say so in other

00:31:26.260 words what i'm saying here is a government might it's not happening in britain but in america at

00:31:30.700 least government might try and do something based might try and do something that's a tiny bit radical

00:31:36.320 but is in the nation's interest or might try and do something that is a little bit outside the

00:31:41.880 overton window of sort of wishy-washy liberal leftism and the judiciary just block it straight away

00:31:49.460 just just block them from doing it um i mean i saw who was it it might it might have been david starkey

00:31:57.380 said recently that if say niger 1 reform became the government and on day one they just tried to

00:32:04.900 send the navy or the sbs into the channel to just physically forcefully if needs be turn the small

00:32:13.300 boats back he said i think it was stuck he said well good luck you the police will come around

00:32:18.520 literally the police will knock on number 10 and arrest you for doing that because it's against

00:32:23.580 the law i didn't know the police would come and arrest you totally possible yeah i mean do you

00:32:28.680 remember tony blair was i think tony blair was cautioned and stuff potentially lying to parliament

00:32:34.320 like during all the chilcot stuff is that i do remember that one yeah boris got in trouble

00:32:39.260 didn't he for having a party during lockdown parties yeah that you spoke to the police at least in

00:32:44.500 theory the police and the home secretary aren't above the law just in practice they are yeah

00:32:50.720 nearly always are but no it's like in america if you were impeached eventually the police are going to

00:32:57.680 come around right he never got that far with nixon but it could have eventually well he stepped down

00:33:05.700 before the he was impeached yeah but i'm saying if it had gone that far and he stayed in if he'd

00:33:11.140 stayed in and he'd been impeached the next thing is he'll be prosecuted so blimey yeah it'll be the

00:33:17.600 same thing with bill clinton but bill clinton avoided it oh no he didn't know bill clinton was charged and

00:33:23.100 he was convicted and he was removed of um he uh when you pass the bar um you become a full lawyer

00:33:31.460 debarred it was debarred yeah that's right thank you he was debarred he's not allowed to practice

00:33:36.320 law in arkansas so yeah he so yeah i don't think that's harmed his career much though no senior

00:33:43.780 politicians can certainly be uh arrested if if they if they do something wrong so anyway

00:33:50.260 so then you would need to as we talked about before or last week was it i think was talking

00:33:58.740 about how if you're going to really do mass deportations you have to take on the civil service

00:34:05.000 and the judiciary first i mean in britain i'd like to see because we've got a supreme court now

00:34:10.800 that tony blair brought in i was just 2009 i just abolished that i'll pass legislation i'll pass

00:34:16.460 a legislation well it's a constitutional aberration anyway it doesn't make sense in our political

00:34:21.740 system to have a supreme court because we've got an unclear it out we've got an uncordified

00:34:25.940 constitution so we don't need a constitutional court yeah yeah yeah it's crazy again stark is very good

00:34:31.340 on that saying what an abomination it is yeah just clear it out don't need it get rid of get rid of

00:34:36.680 everything that would possible that you could that would stand in the way of some activist

00:34:42.200 judge somewhere so anyway going back to the united states and trump um i was surprised a little bit

00:34:48.540 surprised we did a live stream didn't we when the inauguration on inauguration day the inauguration

00:34:53.440 speech i was a little bit surprised that he mentioned the alien and sedition acts in his inaugural

00:35:00.680 speech and uh having read up on it uh for this segment this morning apparently he did mention it

00:35:08.040 earlier on in the race apparently one speech he did he he actually did mention it before

00:35:14.560 he won so it wasn't the very first mention of it by him but nonetheless when he mentioned it in the

00:35:20.340 um inauguration speech i immediately i think the record will show within seconds said oh that's a

00:35:27.000 john adams thing like late very very late 18th century thing that like that's a surprise like

00:35:32.280 it's harking back to the beginning of the republic and all very nearly um so but he is actually using

00:35:38.620 or trying to use that or he's going to use it it's a weird argument from the democrats because they're

00:35:44.420 saying oh that's a really old law and things like that it's just like well the constitution is older

00:35:49.240 and you're not going to come out and say oh well that's really old so we've got to ignore it

00:35:52.740 so you think that you'd have a stronger argument against it than that it's like well it's just as

00:35:59.100 much law as a law passed yesterday if not it's got more validity because at least it's been tried and

00:36:04.580 tested for at least over 100 years or so yeah so if anything it's more legitimate to use an older law

00:36:10.420 than it is a more recent one if you think about it in those terms anyway i can't think of many

00:36:15.700 arguments the other way around yeah well so what happened was trump wanted to

00:36:20.780 use those laws to to deport people and um a judge not even the supreme court but just a

00:36:31.140 a more lowly judge uh stopped it put an embargo on that said you couldn't do it

00:36:38.080 uh so it went to so the government i.e trump takes it to the supreme court

00:36:43.140 uh where there's no there's no higher body to appeal to

00:36:46.920 and they decided it was okay to use that i think it was like uh was it five to four or six to three

00:36:56.520 anyway that'd be the partisan split more or less wouldn't it uh yeah i think there was one well

00:37:01.280 there was one conservative uh that uh dissented from it but anyway the the supreme court decided that

00:37:09.920 trump is okay to use it um so a little bit about it i mean it was it was john adams like the very

00:37:17.880 very late 18th century last few last couple of years of the 18th century

00:37:21.460 um the united states was going through the the quasi war which was sort of an undeclared war with

00:37:27.940 france where they were screwing with each other shipping and just because of geopolitics and the

00:37:33.740 triangle of power between great britain france and the united states was such at that period of time

00:37:39.280 it ebbed and flowed but that period of time uh it looked like the united states might go to war

00:37:44.320 with france or the other way around really france might actually declare war on it would have been

00:37:47.560 an interesting turn of history wouldn't it yeah yeah um well there was sort of a battle for the

00:37:53.560 heart and soul of the united states where they're going to be more british than they are french

00:37:56.940 or the other way around um so anyway so yeah you could have been speaking french in the united states

00:38:04.180 imagine um because there's so many i could talk for an hour about that easily

00:38:10.960 the thing is i really want to pick your brains about it because i don't know much about it but

00:38:15.080 i'm gonna have to restrain myself there were there were just different factions like hamilton and

00:38:19.820 jefferson uh like jefferson was much more pro france than he was pro british and hamilton the other

00:38:28.320 way round for example um yeah different factions at that time in the early republic um so what was

00:38:37.320 the actual reason that they brought this this oh yeah okay so there was just massive just just say

00:38:44.000 this there were massive tensions with france and in some of the newspapers they were just writing

00:38:48.900 really really pro french things and sort of seditious i mean seditious is a bit strong but

00:38:54.340 they were sort of saying subverse really subversive and seditious things and um really going for the

00:39:00.920 throat of the president john adams who was somewhere in between john adams made it his mission to be

00:39:05.860 completely impartial refused to pick a side between france and britain what sort of things were they

00:39:10.960 saying like frog's legs are actually tasty um you know we hate roast beef

00:39:16.820 they were saying things like um it's it's our it's our duty to go to war with great britain

00:39:24.240 just france and great britain obviously i suppose they're saying it's our duty as americans

00:39:30.140 to help the french look how the french helped us in the revolutionary war the war of independence

00:39:35.260 um we it's now our duty to pay them back it's that way it's john adams policy not to have a war with

00:39:43.320 anyone pretty good policy as far as right yeah so from his point of view

00:39:48.080 newspapers that are writing that sort of thing are seditious um and he didn't want loads of pro

00:39:57.280 french people or french people coming into the united states because that wouldn't help him either

00:40:04.800 any conditions yeah uh yeah um because they're just more likely to vote democrat they didn't have

00:40:10.080 democrat and republicans they're democrat and federalists and the democrat party then aren't

00:40:14.260 the same as the democrat party now so it's a bit confusing but anyway john adams tried to or did for

00:40:19.400 a couple of years crack down on um sort of seditious things being written and illegal aliens coming into

00:40:25.720 the country okay so when um jefferson gets in in 1800 uh he just repeals it straight away it was one of

00:40:34.980 the reasons why they won the election in 1800 on the promise that they would do that they're saying

00:40:41.360 it's un-american it's against the first amendment quite strong arguments um i mean history remembers

00:40:47.320 john adams as being a bit thin-skinned i think if you actually lived through it it would be you wouldn't

00:40:53.420 necessarily view it that way but anyway that's how the sort of reasonably low resolution view of it

00:40:58.140 often goes is that adams was wrong and jefferson was right the american thing to do was have

00:41:03.900 completely free speech sounds about right it sounds about right it sounds about right okay so uh but

00:41:09.580 then since it's so he repealed them there's four different laws he repealed them straight away in

00:41:13.320 1800 but they've been brought back periodically so in the age of the uh the war of 1812 when the

00:41:20.240 brits burnt down the white house in 1814 there'll be one commenter saying actually it was a canadian

00:41:25.580 regiment but i don't think it was i don't know i see that said sometimes i don't know whether it's

00:41:31.240 true or not i was more than one regiment i don't think it was i remember i i did a long bit of long

00:41:37.000 form uh content with benjamin boyce about that it's on our website go to lotusseaters.com

00:41:42.020 well and go to epoch history tab epochs and fire or just type in the search bar 1812 and you'll get a

00:41:49.100 couple of hours of me talking to the great benjamin boyce all about the war of 1812 if if trump is

00:41:53.360 watching it was the canadians that did it please don't give us a bigger tariff

00:41:57.100 it was all the canadians they they talked us into it well during the war of 1812 america did try to

00:42:04.540 invade canada a couple of times and got pushed back a couple of times anyway during the war of 1812

00:42:10.900 uh the alien sedition stuff was sort of revived uh and used against brits

00:42:17.440 it's a it's a time of war so i suppose it's a stronger case for sedition if you're actively at

00:42:25.560 war against the people right yeah yeah it's like it's sort of an emergency isn't it war

00:42:30.600 you could say it's sort of a state of emergency so that's also me sort of supporting the use of

00:42:37.260 that law against me hypothetically obviously i wasn't alive then or was i and then you know

00:42:44.840 and then in world war one woodrow wilson used it again uh against germans and the other

00:42:51.000 uh allies of the of the other side during world war one during world war two fdr use it uses it

00:42:57.080 against germans and japanese and other other people that were members of the axis the italians a bit

00:43:03.280 like um but i mean it's a bit complicated so they interred like thousands of japanese people but

00:43:10.840 they're not they didn't enter lots of italian americans in fact they asked them to help out

00:43:16.420 and they usually did yeah a lot of italian americans joined the war effort didn't they yeah of course

00:43:21.200 yeah yeah yeah everyone knows that the uh to liberate their own country and anyone who um

00:43:28.300 understands any ancient roman history knows that civil war is the favorite pastime of that peninsula

00:43:33.720 it was the americans and the british that liberated sicily and and italy you know

00:43:41.440 the anzio and monte cassino and all that sort of thing uh yeah and a lot of italian americans

00:43:47.440 i've got a long form bit of content about lucky luciano again on gangster yeah where the americans

00:43:53.420 the literally the state goes to lucky luciano one the biggest gangster in in the states and said look

00:43:59.060 you're going to be on our side right essentially here you're not going to use your influence among

00:44:03.800 the sicilian and italian american communities to sort of sabotage our docks and stuff are you

00:44:10.040 please and he was like yeah no no yeah it's fine we'll we can work together yeah yeah and ever since

00:44:19.020 the mob and the u.s government have been the best of friends

00:44:22.480 because it's not mussolini wasn't necessarily pro

00:44:28.720 our thing you know that's a way of putting it yeah our thing yeah and uh so all right so so and

00:44:38.660 now trump and since world war ii it hasn't been invoked again since world war ii but you can just

00:44:43.900 see over a couple hundred years plus um it's sort of periodically come out and some people said

00:44:50.000 you know trump's not at war with these immigrants well isn't he have haven't they invaded

00:44:58.320 really i mean it's obviously not an actual declared war of course not but there are

00:45:03.960 if he's doing it right well that's the thing so he's using it on full-blown proper badass

00:45:10.000 um gang members sort of paramilitary level gang members or that's the allegations anyway

00:45:15.860 so it's not just some random puerto rican who hasn't done anything wrong other than entering

00:45:21.920 the country legally no he's they're using it on proper badass gang nutters yeah because they made

00:45:30.000 a big uh fuss about the fact they were deporting 17 uh gang members to el salvador to one of the

00:45:36.540 super prisons right and and those people are genuinely dangerous and um they are like a sort

00:45:44.640 of paramilitary force in effect i mean they're not explicitly set out to overthrow the u.s government

00:45:50.540 they're there to basically make money however they can be just as destructive as a paramilitary force

00:45:58.180 if they so want to and you don't want you know basically foreign people coming in and causing mayhem in

00:46:04.420 your country obviously so it seems like a perfectly valid use of this act yeah the mayhem is to such

00:46:11.160 a degree that it's bordering on seditious well they've taken over in entire areas haven't they

00:46:16.540 like they took over was it in colorado i can't remember exactly where it was um but the gang took over

00:46:23.000 an entire apartment venezuelan one i think it was yeah it was yeah yeah so some of these people

00:46:29.900 it's actually a very small number of people in the scheme of things that they're using the this

00:46:35.320 these laws against like one somewhere i read 130 somewhere else i read 140 somewhere else i read 200

00:46:45.520 so whatever it is it's in that ballpark um a lot of them were venezuelan ones that were taken to el

00:46:51.380 salvador and put in the el salvadorian super prisons they were all like badass venezuelan gang member

00:46:58.560 types and they're not going to do well in a an el salvador prison as well rival gangs in there

00:47:03.460 hopefully not yeah yeah they're going to have a rough time of it it's also worth mentioning as well

00:47:07.480 right that um your sort of garden variety deportation like some mexican woman that's being

00:47:14.940 deported she's not being deported using this this is specific to the gang members so there's already

00:47:20.000 laws in place believe it or not the reason it's illegal is because they're already laws forbidding

00:47:23.740 it that's why it's illegal immigration believe it or not there is one story or one angle that

00:47:30.260 uh so maybe at least one of these people have has been wrongly accused of being the super badass

00:47:37.080 venezuelan venezuelan uh paramilitary style making them sound cool now crazy nutters he just happened to

00:47:43.880 have a tattoo and it was like wrongly it was wrongly identified him as one of them and that it's really

00:47:51.400 unfair that he's being extradited to el salvador i don't know i don't know anything i'm okay to

00:47:57.560 persecute people with bad tattoos if that's what it's come to

00:48:00.920 that's a joke by the way i'm not being serious um uh so i i don't know the validity of that i don't

00:48:11.400 know the ins and outs of the guy's case or the ins and outs of the guy's being identified as one of

00:48:17.340 the really bad venezuelan types or not so i don't know on on that but not including that yeah i've got

00:48:24.660 no sympathy for some terrible gang bangers that that have invaded united states done insane things

00:48:32.460 been put in prison and now and are now being deported to el salvador yeah no sympathy it's

00:48:38.400 also crazy to me that that these are the people that the justice system is trying to protect here

00:48:42.940 that their rights are worthy of consideration as they mentioned there explicitly trend or agua um

00:48:50.680 that gang you know they've got they're properly decked out like a special forces unit sometimes

00:48:56.880 it says there trump has alleged that the migrants were members of the trend uh aragua gang i may well

00:49:02.320 be butchering that pronunciation um and they were quote conducting irregular warfare against the u.s

00:49:08.920 and could therefore be removed under the act so if the authorities even if it's sort of exaggerated

00:49:16.220 if they can even remotely claim something like you're conducting irregular warfare

00:49:22.260 yeah get them out get them out get them off the streets and get them out of the country

00:49:30.980 yeah throw them in some dungeon some oubliette somewhere they should be making cheap furniture

00:49:40.100 in el salvador i don't know whether they actually employ the prisoners in the mega prisons or not

00:49:44.440 they probably should though yeah so the supreme court it finally came to the supreme court

00:49:50.480 and the supreme court said uh that the notice either notice to be deported whether it's to el salvador or

00:49:58.160 not the notice must must be afforded within a reasonable time and in such a manner as will allow

00:50:02.900 them the criminal person uh to actually seek seek habeas relief i.e sort of fair fair hearing

00:50:10.280 uh in the proper venue before such removal occurs okay and the and another quote from the supreme court

00:50:17.740 the only question is which court will resolve the challenge um so it's funny it's interesting really

00:50:24.080 that both sides both the trump side and the anti-trumpers sort of claimed uh victory uh because

00:50:32.380 so trump called it a great day for justice in america but the aclu american civil liberties union you know

00:50:39.360 obviously arch defenders of of anyone doesn't matter how despicable they are uh they were claiming it

00:50:46.840 as a bit of a win because there were i think three of the supreme court justices dissented um

00:50:54.240 yeah the aclu called it a huge victory uh because it means at least that bit about habeas and about

00:51:02.600 having a fair hearing in due time and all that sort of thing um they're saying that they figure i suppose

00:51:09.100 that that's a loophole for them they'll be able to to get a lot of um insanely violent people kept in

00:51:16.560 the united states well it slows the whole process down about yeah right it slows it down yeah so

00:51:22.760 they're happy enough with that yeah they can have their violent criminals in the united states rather

00:51:27.340 than in a prison where they belong oh wonderful yeah so trump said the supreme court has upheld the

00:51:34.120 rule of law in our nation by allowing a president whoever that may be to be able to secure our borders

00:51:38.860 and protect our families and our country itself whereas the aclu said we are disappointed that that we

00:51:44.820 will need to start the court process over again in a different venue but the critical point is that

00:51:49.040 the supreme court said individuals must be given due process to challenge their removal under the alien

00:51:54.300 enemies act so so there you have it it's just i just find it interesting that um even a strong

00:52:03.240 government you know so like trump has got the white house he's got congress he's got the senate he's got

00:52:09.000 he's got the supreme court and he's got the political will presumably and and the political will

00:52:13.940 is actually doing it and still there's lots of pushback and it takes months to get something

00:52:19.360 rubber stamped and green lit and all that sort of thing you know like i said it before i think i did

00:52:25.380 a tweet or maybe i said it on here before i can't remember but um the idea for example with the jfk files

00:52:30.880 is that the the state has to put together a body to investigate itself because itself is stopping itself from

00:52:46.240 being honest it reminds me of you know in like a school bully gets your arm and goes stop hitting

00:52:53.140 yourself stop hitting yourself it's sort of like that it's just like well never mind you get it's a

00:53:00.860 simple enough analogy i suppose the way i suppose it's better that way than just having an autocracy

00:53:06.280 because true autocracies are well unless you happen to get someone who's extremely wise and

00:53:15.540 level-headed and benevolent someone like marcus aurelius a philosopher king or antoninus pious

00:53:22.940 unless you're lucky enough to get that then uh it's going to be you're going to have a bad time

00:53:28.720 with appearance true autocracy so maybe all this it's just the way it's got to be really

00:53:34.600 um yeah the appearance of um accountability is still better than having none at all isn't it

00:53:41.440 because at least then that defines the bounds in which a political actor can operate to a certain

00:53:47.360 degree and once they step over it's like okay well you're clearly going above your station here

00:53:51.640 i suppose another way of saying it is that checks and balances in this instance are annoying and

00:53:56.760 frustrating to me at least as well as trump and a lot of other americans and patriots um it's annoying

00:54:03.520 but it's better to have them than not have them isn't it i mean let's be fair let's be honest

00:54:09.420 because of course at some point you'll get a fairly hard left-wing democrat in again

00:54:13.860 and they could do it even more even worse so i mean thank god for the supreme court really

00:54:20.920 um one of my favorite historians and journalists alistair cook he's passed away now he's very very

00:54:28.020 old um i've quoted him i think twice already on this podcast where he talks about the supreme court

00:54:35.280 that thank god for it and it's not always perfectly right i mean back in the 19th century they said

00:54:40.620 you could have child labor or you could have slaves or whatever but they reverse themselves

00:54:45.820 eventually and this you've got this you the americans you've got the supreme court to thank

00:54:51.260 for keeping the republic in as good a shape as it is to be perfectly honest it could be worse you

00:54:57.920 think oh yeah yeah a lot worse yeah um thank god that it's got a majority of conservative

00:55:05.520 justices on it i think that's part of the reason it's doing good work at the minute yeah

00:55:10.300 um so anyway they've given trump the green light for now um to basically just get rid of the very

00:55:19.540 very worst so there's that hopefully if and when we get a government in our country uh with the

00:55:25.860 political will to start doing things along these lines um we can look at the example of the united

00:55:32.580 states hopefully we can just abolish we'll have a great repeal act of some type and just abolish

00:55:38.140 our supreme court entirely and then there'll have to be some sort of sweep out of their judiciary

00:55:44.780 or some sort of new courts created uh with judges that are vetted to not be

00:55:51.440 actual globalist communist partisans or whatever uh these things can be done if there's enough

00:55:58.300 political will uh there's nothing that can't be done within reason yeah here

00:56:03.800 okay we've got a couple of comments i'll read them for you um logan 17 pine i'm happy to say lads i've

00:56:11.660 lost 110 pounds in one year that's wow great going yeah that's well done um keep it up yeah be very

00:56:19.720 proud of yourself uh bold eagle 1787 says the judiciary in the u.s has zero powers to check the

00:56:25.620 other branches the founding fathers gave them zero powers in the constitution due to the ptsd

00:56:30.260 from the admiralty courts that were tyrannical um well i think they've got more than zero

00:56:37.620 but i i can understand if you might argue that they're the the one of the three branches of

00:56:43.380 government that has the least power perhaps um that is a valid argument and i've seen it put forward

00:56:49.040 many times um but i wouldn't necessarily say it was zero but i can see where you're coming from

00:56:54.240 at the same time there's law by precedent though isn't there so okay they've got zero power in

00:57:01.560 the sense of a legislative body yeah but there's law by precedent and uh i think it is i think it is

00:57:11.520 in the it is in the constitution that the about the supreme court specifically about the supreme court

00:57:17.480 um so it depends what he means by powers i suppose so yeah it depends how you define power yeah but

00:57:27.680 yeah i i've seen that sort of argument about and i understand it at the very least anyway

00:57:32.960 excuse me um so anyway i love a good crime stat um but they don't always tell you everything

00:57:42.440 and you may have seen me if you follow me on twitter posting all of my different crime stats

00:57:47.180 for all of the different ethnicities under the sun because they're really useful in understanding the

00:57:52.220 nature of the world here we have um this is just an example but it's um britain breaking down the

00:57:58.380 arrest rate for every 1000 people by ethnicity uh you can notice uh here's white at 9.4 and you can see

00:58:08.820 the usual suspects black obviously twice as represented black others five times over represented

00:58:14.620 uh gypsies obviously over represented um most crimes are done by white men yes statistically that

00:58:24.640 is true but there is such a wonderful thing this wonderful white invention known as per capita no i

00:58:30.100 don't understand that i don't know those words i refuse to understand that concept it's just white men

00:58:35.420 do most of the crime that's the end of the story don't look into it any further than that

00:58:42.100 no convincing like per capita yeah what a mad what a mad thing and that's reality right that's just

00:58:48.000 it is yeah i'm not saying necessarily that you should blame every single person in that group for

00:58:52.860 the actions of these people but just have but just have eyes in the back of your head because

00:58:57.020 they're much more likely to do something criminal and violent potentially yes um but also you need to

00:59:01.480 have an informed view to be able to to solve the problem right if you want to get rid of crime it's

00:59:06.200 useful to know who's committing crimes so one thing i wanted to draw attention to is uh india and

00:59:12.100 pakistan pakistan pakistanis in britain are more likely than the the native white majority to commit

00:59:18.580 crime but the indians are actually half as likely um and i think this plays out with anecdotal experience

00:59:25.640 because um i've lived alongside lots of indians now living in swindon for almost five years

00:59:30.940 and they're not really violent people they don't really um you know cause lots of social problems

00:59:37.280 worst perhaps they might be a little bit ignorant of doorway etiquette and yeah exactly and sort of

00:59:44.340 british manners and around a lot of the indian food shops there is a lot of litter and waste on

00:59:49.980 the floor so they're a bit messy and sometimes they can be a bit rude but in the grand scheme of things

00:59:55.540 that are ailing britain they're not really the ones causing problems they sometimes can but usually um

01:00:03.020 from what i've seen in swindon at least they're just families that are living a relatively normal life

01:00:08.920 and they're suffering the same sorts of things that actually the natives are i've not gone soft all of

01:00:13.860 a sudden uh and and said yeah you know what they they're all welcome here i'm not necessarily saying

01:00:19.940 that but i'm just saying acknowledging the nature of the problem but that statistic doesn't tell you

01:00:25.720 everything of course because say real quick just to build on what you said there um i live in a building

01:00:30.560 which is mostly indians uh yeah and they must be indians because they also celebrate duvali

01:00:38.140 and not a bit of a giveaway and not eid and uh they're just indians not pakistanis or bangladeshi

01:00:44.500 and um yeah there's no sense of threat in the air whatsoever never ever been intimidated never had

01:00:52.900 any sort of uh altercation nothing they keep themselves themselves and the only real problem

01:00:59.120 you might say is that they're a bit impolite a little bit impolite not even that badly impolite but

01:01:04.220 just yeah never by british standards which most of the world fails on let's never hold a door open

01:01:09.600 for you ever and if you do it for them they just walk through without saying thank you and little

01:01:13.720 things like that um whereas i have lived in and around more muslim populations and it's not the same

01:01:21.340 it's really not the same yeah um so i'm going to go over some of the actual crime statistics for india

01:01:28.120 itself because we can get to and because of course much below average appreciate that obviously um

01:01:34.660 it's not the same as black over there doing a very significant portion of these crimes uh so

01:01:41.700 violent crimes like murder and assault are reported less frequently per capita than in places like the

01:01:48.240 us or brazil of course with these sorts of things it could also be how they're measured and reported

01:01:53.340 because for example japan tends to have far fewer crimes reported but also the threshold to have

01:01:59.180 something registered as a reported crime is much higher than elsewhere sorry are you talking about

01:02:04.260 in india now yes okay just to be clear for everyone in there you're now talking about crime in india

01:02:09.440 yes so it's free per 100 000 people and for south africa it's 36 for the usa it's seven

01:02:17.680 and for the uk it's 1.1 but we've we still to this day even with mass migration have one of the lowest

01:02:26.400 crime rates in the world um it's because the native british we just don't do crime really or very

01:02:33.440 rarely yeah uh sometimes you get a realm out or a hungerford or uh or a doctor shipman or i think our

01:02:41.920 worst excesses is like binge drinking and getting into a scrap outside of a pub but then people shake

01:02:47.280 hands and get over it if the police don't turn up yeah and everything's fine it's very rare that

01:02:53.100 things sort of go in excess of that we get the odd uh sort of fred west right yes we do have the

01:03:01.220 cereal um but yeah just like big chunks of our population just killing each other on the streets

01:03:08.960 for over nothing you know we don't do that we haven't done that for a long you know it's uh

01:03:14.760 where individual murders are still shocking yeah they still very much are it's not something that

01:03:23.100 people have got used to even yet even after all of this uh diversifying but to get back to the

01:03:28.600 indian crime stats uh property crimes like burglary or theft are also relatively lower per capita

01:03:34.300 in india in india however sexual violence is a significant issue and it's likely underreported

01:03:43.060 as well just by the nature of indian society and also it's worth mentioning although i'm not going

01:03:47.240 into focus on this aspect fraud bribery and scams need i say the latter one i think we all know about

01:03:53.440 that um are also a significant issue and apparently the transparency international um corruption perception

01:04:00.640 index so that's just measuring people's perception of their own country i think as far as i'm aware at

01:04:06.480 least um india is ranked 93rd out of 190 so it's in the just edging into the lower half of the world

01:04:16.380 for um fraud bribery and scams because of course the indian scammer is sort of idiosyncratic now

01:04:22.920 uh i mean if you were to ask zoomers today in britain what's the currency of india half of them might say

01:04:30.480 gift cards rather than rupees um but yeah it's also worth noting in for the sake of being fair

01:04:37.340 india is huge it's got 1.4 billion people um there's a large amount of variation between those

01:04:43.180 peoples it's an entire subcontinent one of the main divisions is urban versus rural lots more crime in

01:04:48.820 the urban areas and um all of the issues we're going to discuss have very vocal critics in india

01:04:54.980 so it's not like they're just accepting of this right there are loads and loads of groups

01:04:59.480 campaigning against all of the fraud and bribery and stuff and the scams as well as the sexual

01:05:04.720 violence which i think in particular um when there's a case of that going on um is a massive

01:05:11.460 political issue and so it's not that the people themselves are blind to these things um but with

01:05:18.700 such a large population you're going to have some bad apples it's true of any population right

01:05:22.580 and um as even reuters can acknowledge india struggles with high uh i can't say that word

01:05:29.400 on youtube sexual assault cases low conviction rates so basically that they're just struggling

01:05:34.960 to actually deal with the problem in india and um there was a video that went quite viral of a woman

01:05:42.540 in a club in london and for some reason it's not loading but if you were able to see it which i think

01:05:48.560 is probably a mercy you can't uh he's basically touching her up and trying to grab her when she's

01:05:54.340 clearly not into it very obvious and a british man might um immediately pick up on the fact she's not

01:06:01.100 interested but clearly he had no idea and it is suggesting that there's a cultural difference here

01:06:06.880 and um this is the indian diaspora here if you could zoom out a little bit samson um or anyone

01:06:16.300 thank you um so um this is a bit of an unfortunate color scheme because the more brown it is the higher

01:06:24.860 density of indians outside of india obviously india there's lots of indians in india so you don't

01:06:31.360 really need that part of it but you can see that pakistan and bangladesh and the surrounding areas

01:06:37.240 uh is that saudi arabia britain canada um america south africa these are all countries that we actually

01:06:44.260 know of like in 2021 there was an anti-indian riot in south africa uh in part at least they're angry at

01:06:51.560 the gupta brothers for basically a bribery scandal and then targeted loads of indians i know the the india

01:06:57.140 south africa connection is long and storied well that's our um sort of empire right responsible for

01:07:04.480 that right i mean yes part of them yeah they're very widespread around the world and i think there

01:07:10.080 are lots of questions about well out of this 1.4 billion population um are there being um is there

01:07:17.940 enough vetting against this problem because if you look at some of the cases that have gone on in india

01:07:23.940 it's horrifying and just to let everyone know um in the 2021 census in britain suggested that 1.86

01:07:31.420 million um people from india are here legally which is 3.1 percent of the total population in america

01:07:38.360 um it's estimated that it's 5.4 million in canada it's 1.8 million or 5.1 percent of the population

01:07:45.520 so that's sizable enough uh that it's possible that some of the worst excesses

01:07:52.500 of the the problems they're facing in india may be brought to the west and i'm going to look at

01:07:58.220 some of these cases and by the way if you've got children in the room it's probably a good idea to

01:08:01.580 turn this off now um and if you're eating your dinner perhaps a good idea to come back to this

01:08:06.100 later because this is not for someone with a strong stomach uh but i think it's important to look at the

01:08:12.100 horrors of the world uh in the face and address them accordingly because this next story is really

01:08:19.340 quite horrible um so oh yes of course there's just uh india is the country with the most diaspora

01:08:26.740 as well i forgot to mention that uh mexico's next russia's next then china syria you can sort of expect

01:08:33.780 these can't you and obviously mexico is just in the united states so i think the problem is only going

01:08:40.100 to get worse if there is a problem at all so here we are i'm going to read this and this is

01:08:45.100 very horrifying so a teenager was brutally um gang sexually assaulted i've got to change the word

01:08:53.440 for youtube by 23 men during a hellish week ordeal during which her attackers drugged her

01:08:59.440 with tainted noodles police in india have revealed the 19 year old alleged um alleged that she was

01:09:05.460 kidnapped by a man while returning from a friend's house on the 29th of march in varanasi

01:09:12.600 northern india she said she was taken to her attacker's cafe in lanka a nearby town three miles

01:09:19.160 southeast of varanasi and sexually assaulted the teen was then taken by another man and his friend

01:09:25.840 to a highway where she was sexually assaulted before she was dropped off in nadisar another town

01:09:31.600 there the vulnerable victim was taken to a second cafe this time in another place by five men who

01:09:38.960 allegedly drugged her and then gang sexually assaulted her she was then later taken to a hotel

01:09:46.020 and forced to massage a stranger before she was sexually assaulted again and then she tried leaving

01:09:51.840 the hotel and then she was kidnapped by another man and taken to a hotel where he sexually assaulted her

01:09:57.420 and abandoned her she was then taken to a warehouse nearly two hours outside of her home city where

01:10:03.940 she was sexually assaulted by another three men and then she managed to escape to a nearby shopping mall

01:10:08.980 near a home and then she was offered noodles by two strangers but the men had drugged the food and

01:10:15.840 then she was taken away to be attacked before being left in a place near the ganges river she was then

01:10:23.280 taken to another hotel where she was sexually assaulted by five men before finally managing to make it home

01:10:28.980 to a family on the 4th of april who filed a police report and then six people have been arrested and

01:10:34.140 charged and they've continued to raid locations trying to find all of these people but what we've seen here

01:10:42.140 is that there were a series of men who saw a vulnerable young girl who was in distress and did all of that so

01:10:54.640 you've either got to be the most unlucky person in the world to stumble across all of these people or

01:11:01.660 there's a massive underlying problem here and i think it's that latter one isn't it yeah of course it is

01:11:07.320 it's that it seems to be the default thing in in parts of india that if they see a young girl who's

01:11:17.020 unattended that they sexually assault her as a matter of course and get their friends in on it

01:11:22.360 and this is something that um no one's taking seriously you know even in the united states

01:11:29.040 members of the trump administration are saying we need more people from india you know vivek

01:11:34.000 gramaswami mysteriously um talks about the virtues of how hard-working indians are whilst americans are

01:11:40.420 lazy i can't think of why he said that and um of course trump doing the u-turn on the h1b visas

01:11:49.440 which is mainly for the tech sector and mainly for people from india who couldn't otherwise go through

01:11:55.440 the legal means and you've got to be asking the question well if this is what happens in india

01:12:03.320 who knows who you're getting there's not being nearly enough checks to find these sorts of people

01:12:09.680 and how do you even check for it like you can't just you know at the border say are you um into

01:12:16.720 sexual assault and they're like oh sorry i'm not actually that's not going to work is it you can't

01:12:22.580 necessarily know and i'm of the opinion that you can't really give people the benefit of the doubt

01:12:27.780 when the safety of your own citizenry is at risk and you wouldn't necessarily even get this impression

01:12:35.320 from looking at the crime stats of course because if you look at britain's for example they're half as

01:12:41.000 likely to commit crime but the nature of the crime when it is committed as you can see here is far far

01:12:48.480 more severe than you might otherwise guess from the crime statistics and so the statistics are useful

01:12:55.380 in so far as they can give you an approximation but the detail is really important here and there

01:13:00.660 are lots of other examples of this i was just gonna say i think there's is there not an example of

01:13:05.700 something similar not as bad as that but something similar happening in britain was it somewhere in

01:13:10.620 wolverhampton or something where a woman was raped kidnapped raped and then when she got away or they

01:13:16.700 let her go she was just immediately picked up by a completely different set of rapists

01:13:22.040 and i think it's it sounds about right also you can't you can't drop an r-bomb on youtube otherwise

01:13:28.820 it gets funny um we'll be fine i think that they allow at least two okay well the guys so we've we're

01:13:34.780 up to our r-bomb guys can bleep it out it'll be fine it'll be fine um but um so yeah is there also

01:13:40.280 i mean you might i don't know if you might go into it but isn't there the thing about that on trains

01:13:45.240 that trains are very very very unsafe in india for women is that and for the people riding on

01:13:52.220 the top as well sexually assaulted on a train because you sort of can't get away apart from

01:13:57.380 anything else and don't they want to segregate trains to try and talking about that in japan as

01:14:02.360 well and here yeah i think here it's a silly idea because it's what you're doing is creating a buffet

01:14:07.620 cart for a potential assaulter right and just refusing to deal with the actual issue yeah well

01:14:14.940 it's a poor issue british people are not doing crimes like this are they here's another one here

01:14:20.100 where a man was arrested after a german woman was basically on holiday and apparently the guy

01:14:26.380 offered to give her a lift and was in his car with a bunch of miners and then he basically just

01:14:32.740 dropped them off and drove her to a remote location uh to try and assault her um i think

01:14:39.920 uh presumably she managed to get away but it's still a sort of worrying thing of you know you could

01:14:47.000 expect to be getting a lift from like a taxi or something and then they'll just drive you off and

01:14:52.220 and do whatever and they they did actually i think find the guy or at least the vehicle

01:14:58.980 there's a clip on twitter you might have seen it because i think he had millions and millions of

01:15:04.240 views well it's some woman in america um and she gets she's getting an uber or just a taxi of some

01:15:11.040 type and it's an indian or pakistani driver and she's talking to him on her phone and he just

01:15:17.440 openly says if we was in india you would i would i've seen that yeah you've probably seen it because

01:15:23.480 he's got millions and millions and millions of views and he's just laughing and joking with her

01:15:27.100 saying yeah if this was in india i would drive you somewhere remote and sexually assault you and

01:15:32.080 she's like really really and he's like yeah yeah yeah yeah and she's like oh okay like it suddenly

01:15:40.380 takes a really dark turn but he just openly admits just completely says it shameless yeah completely

01:15:45.820 shameless yeah i know that's only an anecdotal piece of evidence these two examples by the way

01:15:50.920 are just news that's come out in the past few days um here's another one from april as well

01:15:57.240 um this was a sexual assault and murder of a young girl um apparently she was on on the way to her

01:16:04.340 relative's place in the same neighborhood and she got picked up and found that same evening having

01:16:09.340 been murdered this is just another example of something that's happened on a similar day

01:16:14.240 um this is from the 15th of february um a man because india doesn't have um laws against marital

01:16:22.900 sexual assault a man did that to his wife who then died a few hours later and he was released

01:16:29.000 i know it's horrible isn't it and you can see the sort of uh campaigns that are going on in india

01:16:37.620 against this because yeah that's barbaric there's any word for it amongst a host of other stronger

01:16:46.900 ones perhaps then going back to march um an israeli tourist and american tourist got targeted by a

01:16:54.440 group of men they were out stargazing and apparently the men were pushed into a river and one of the

01:17:00.580 indian men because there were some natives one there's an israeli woman and an indian woman and an

01:17:07.300 american man and two indian men as a group and they were stargazing minding their own business

01:17:11.940 and a group of men basically comes out of the darkness um pushes the men into the river one of

01:17:17.200 them drowns two of them swim to safety and then sexually assaulted the women um and this actually

01:17:23.460 this was happened at a popular tourist destination um in southern india and hundreds of the tourists

01:17:30.420 just upped and left it was a unesco heritage site um you can see it there um they loads of

01:17:37.260 tourists just left because they realized okay this place isn't safe for us anymore which to be honest

01:17:42.160 if you're a woman i wouldn't go to india your own safety it's not safe there uh and then there's this

01:17:48.900 one this was from march again so this is only you know less than a month ago still there are lots of

01:17:54.700 instances um she went to meet an indian man she met online for dinner he turned up with his friend

01:18:01.040 and then after they finished dinner they went to a hotel and sexually assaulted her

01:18:05.560 which um is a bit strange she was meant to be meeting just the person she'd been speaking to

01:18:13.800 and he just turns up with his mate for some reason seems like they're very close with their friends

01:18:20.180 a lot of these people aren't they they've always got a mate in tow i don't understand that

01:18:24.120 uh there's the case of this guy who styled himself as a christian preacher who has apparently

01:18:30.060 um had millions of followers and all that sort of stuff he sexually assaulted a woman filmed it and

01:18:36.260 tried to use it to blackmail her which actually seems to happen a lot more in india than you think

01:18:41.860 i've read a few instances of that and where it's not just a little bit embarrassing or very

01:18:48.700 it's not just embarrassing it actually can affect all your family and your status in society

01:18:53.920 it's much more serious right yeah of course in their world and um this is just horrifying right

01:19:01.620 indian teenager alleges sexual assault over five years by nearly 60 schoolmates neighbors and

01:19:06.760 relatives and strangers if this doesn't go to highlight the nature of the problem i don't know

01:19:10.900 what does so i'm going to read this um i'm sorry it's really grim five years ago a 13 year old

01:19:16.020 girl the daughter of a poor wage laborer from one of india's most marginalized communities was

01:19:20.540 allegedly sexually abused by one of her neighbors in the village where she lived her alleged abuser

01:19:25.880 filmed it and the police are investigating whether he used the images to blackmail and manipulate the

01:19:31.100 girl into being sexually assaulted by dozens of other men and boys over the next five years police say

01:19:36.320 the allegations only came to light after the girl now 18 spoke to a counselor visiting her college in

01:19:43.080 kerala state and detailed the years of horrific abuse a total of 58 men and boys have been arrested

01:19:49.220 and accused of the sexual assault um another two men wanted in connection with the case have fled the

01:19:55.160 country wonder where they fled to just throwing that one out there among the accused are her schoolmates

01:20:00.720 her relatives her neighbors men from all corners of her life ranging from minors to men in their

01:20:07.860 med 40s according to the case documents reviewed by cnn and interviews with local police charges have

01:20:13.280 not yet been filed and the 58 men remaining detention none of the accused has spoken publicly about the

01:20:19.520 allegations and the girl has not been identified under the law so um obviously we don't know for

01:20:27.280 absolute certain whether this story is true but it sounds very familiar to that previous one that we

01:20:33.960 talked about of um right at the start of the 23 different men targeting that girl where just every

01:20:41.120 man in her life um basically targeted her and sexually assaulted her and if that is what happens in parts of

01:20:50.560 india it'd be important to have a proper understanding of it if this is the main uh ethnic group that we're

01:20:58.240 getting our immigrants from in britain at least indians are the main uh minority and the same goes for

01:21:05.980 canada i imagine and it's increasing in the united states and this is important you wouldn't get it

01:21:11.540 from the crime data but all of these anecdotal examples paint a very horrific picture don't they

01:21:17.400 it's like some of the worst cases of this sort of thing i've ever read and it was a difficult thing

01:21:24.200 to put all this together uh i've got one one more link here um police volunteer even got a life

01:21:30.680 sentence and he then went on to murder a junior doctor after doing so as well so you can't even

01:21:36.980 necessarily trust the police so it it speaks of a society that is entirely corrupted by this sort of

01:21:45.960 thing that every man a young girl comes into contact with will take advantage which in britain is

01:21:52.940 unthinkable you know i can think of instances in my own life where there have been young kids like

01:22:00.300 lost in a supermarket and the default thing to do is you take them over to a figure of authority who

01:22:05.180 speaks on the tannoy and you wait with them until their parents turn up yeah that's the default no one

01:22:12.060 would deviate from that i've both had that happen to me when i was a kid and then been the adult in

01:22:17.100 that situation same here as well yeah exactly i've literally been walking around a really massive

01:22:22.100 tesco's and there's some little toddler apparently unescorted and you just go get someone

01:22:29.780 mm-hmm that's the proper thing to do because because obviously you don't just leave yeah

01:22:36.340 oh god and um of course that that cultural practice that we have entrenched in us by merit

01:22:42.820 of being englishmen is not entrenched in people from india obviously we weren't there for long enough

01:22:48.020 to uh enculturate that into them and by bringing them here we're bringing these sorts of same

01:22:52.740 problems and it's to the point where in fact the monkeys in india actually have a greater moral

01:22:59.780 compass than many of the men and this is a story of course if you're listening monkey saved six-year-old

01:23:04.980 girl from sexual assault attempt in uttar pradesh the monkey started attacking the man

01:23:09.860 if that's not a condemnation of a certain section of your population i don't know what is i feel very

01:23:19.060 sorry for indian women now to be honest after reading all that and um yes that's something that

01:23:25.060 you wouldn't been able to get from the data but it is very important and very worth knowing about

01:23:31.140 sorry that went on and that was very dark uh habsification uh the most arranged news story that

01:23:39.540 comes out of india i read was four men uh gang raped a monitor lizard killed it and then ate it from

01:23:45.380 an animal reserve yeah i heard about that as well a monitor lizard i know okay oh in india there's a

01:23:54.580 massive disproportionate number of men to women yeah and i think that it drives them a bit mental

01:24:02.180 makes the problems worse like there's the joke that every every app is a dating app if you're indian

01:24:07.860 enough a monitor lizard though come on it's like not a donkey not not a dog a monitor lizard and the

01:24:18.100 way you're saying monitor lizard makes it sound like if you're going to pick a reptile at least pick

01:24:22.580 something better than that yeah at least pick the good looking reptile if you do a komodo dragon i

01:24:28.500 mean i've got to respect the bulls on you things our podcast makes us say don't look at me like that

01:24:38.580 samson jm denton says india is a disgusting country and people are dangerously unaware of the threat of

01:24:45.300 immigration from there well not anymore but uh thank you for the ten dollars okay well let's go to the

01:24:51.300 video comments shall we palette cleanser hopefully in 1258 baghdad was sieged and destroyed by the

01:24:58.340 mongol empire because the caliph looked upon the mongols as upstarts who couldn't back up what they

01:25:02.980 were saying it is said that the rivers ran black with ink as many scholars had copied scrolls from

01:25:08.020 the library of alexandria infrastructure centuries old was wiped out within a fortnight leaving only the

01:25:13.380 faraway and rural folk to continue the culture much of the middle east is essentially post-apocalyptic

01:25:18.500 really explains the stuff we're dealing with nowadays

01:25:25.060 it's a remarkable coincidence i tweeted about hula goos khan's conquest of baghdad in 1258 just

01:25:32.340 yesterday well there we go i mentioned it just yesterday khanate lives on and uh there was also

01:25:41.140 uh the fall of civilization podcast one of my favorite if not my favorite podcast and carlin isn't it no no no

01:25:47.540 that's hardcore history oh yeah of course yeah sorry but full of civilizations it is long form stuff

01:25:53.460 and their most recent episode which i think came out a couple of weeks ago now is the mongols i think

01:25:59.140 it's like i haven't even watched it yet but i'm i mean to probably this weekend it's like six hours

01:26:04.100 worth six hours of mongols yeah looking forward uh but yeah that famous the the caliph of baghdad um

01:26:10.260 um goading hula goo if anything goading him you i you you can't take us down don't even try it it's

01:26:18.100 a joke yeah give it a whirl if you think you've you've got it in you and hula goo stomped them flat

01:26:25.780 easily raised baghdad to the ground it annoys me how overpowered sort of horse archers are and sort of the

01:26:34.660 step nomads i feel like there needs to be some sort of nerf in the universe they don't deserve to

01:26:40.500 be that powerful they had that and they also had chinese level uh artillery which the middle east and

01:26:49.460 europe hadn't hadn't really experienced so they were op on a couple different levels anyway dev should

01:27:00.180 have known about that this stream is on my birthday and i'd like to use it to thank those backroom boys

01:27:06.100 i'm just a birthday despite the old tone and plodding pace my comments are always shown tremendous

01:27:11.220 forbearance by your editing team yes this is unseemingly ingratiating but for the few years

01:27:16.420 that i've been submitting comments very few have been rejected and i don't envy the task of picking

01:27:21.140 through what is submitted and rendering the acceptable ones suitable for transmission

01:27:25.220 oh yeah you're welcome thank you they're also happy birthday yeah happy birthday yeah and you

01:27:31.860 um um it's a shame you put house of cards up there because i was going to do a big brain

01:27:36.580 i believe that's the original house of cards show there uh but um yeah which everyone should watch

01:27:44.100 it's good i can pretend i didn't see that if you want make me feel a bit better the original

01:27:48.980 book by the lord dobbs is an excellent book so they need an american version didn't they with kevin

01:27:54.740 spacey yeah out of the book the old 70s english tv thing and the american one the american one's

01:28:01.700 the least good and it's still pretty good so i didn't watch house of cards until kevin spacey sort

01:28:08.180 of stopped it because he got all those evictions or allegations i don't know don't sue me kevin spacey

01:28:14.580 that's the american one with spacey they took it further they went beyond what the it was only

01:28:18.820 ever loosely based on the original lord dobbs thing and then they took it further and carried

01:28:23.940 it on so but the original 70s tv thing is very good i advise anyone to see it okay

01:28:32.180 gifting me boris's autobiography my parents were intrigued what i would say well after finishing

01:28:37.140 it i can say that one mocks and belittles boris at one's peril we may not like his legacy but we must

01:28:42.020 not forget that he was hugely popular motivated affable humorous and well read one would expect

01:28:47.380 self-aggrandizement but there is humility johnson recognizes that he was a much better mayor of london

01:28:52.180 than prime minister of the uk where johnson fits a pattern in leadership is the essay we must all

01:28:57.060 have for those in charge does the person believe that power should be used to make things better

01:29:02.020 does the person think the public money should be spent to assist the market if yes then you have a

01:29:06.740 problem that's a good little turn of phrase that no sorry it's completely irredeemable he should be in

01:29:14.420 prison he's a scumbag uh so some people bought into his shtick so what i think what he's getting at is

01:29:23.060 that quite often his political enemies end up uh facing consequences that he's a bit more of a canny

01:29:29.060 operator politically than you might let on well give him that no i agree with you on that front

01:29:35.940 the redeeming features that he was charismatic and popular so so he's a criminal i view him as a

01:29:42.900 criminal the covid lockdowns and the ukraine stuff alone and the immigration wave those three things

01:29:50.100 things disgusting crimes next video coming oh good morning lotus eaters for my birthday i took a drive

01:30:00.340 through my favorite little logging town of daring happy birthday the weather was amazing i wanted to

01:30:05.140 go snowshoeing just south of town like an idiot i forgot to grab the sd card for my camera so i did the

01:30:10.420 best i could with my phone at about 3 500 feet in elevation the trail was hidden by increasingly deep snow

01:30:17.620 if there were ever a place in time to see bigfoot or get mauled by a cougar this was it i'll send

01:30:23.140 part two from this trip tomorrow it looks beautiful yeah i'd love to be jealous yeah me too i'd love to

01:30:30.980 do nature on america's doorstep i that's the one thing that they've got untamed wilderness that i am

01:30:37.780 more jealous than anything else we just have a great thing what's the closest thing what like the

01:30:41.540 peak district or the cairngorms or something the valleys of northern wales highlands yeah the high

01:30:47.220 yeah the high that you sure but it's not quite it's not true wilderness in the same sense is it

01:30:55.060 i miss it uh pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is impossible you're just a worker with false

01:31:00.500 class consciousness if you're a capitalist uh where's your capital right here i'm proud to

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01:31:23.940 if not us then who best of luck with that word smith productions and why we're shitting i never

01:31:31.860 shill my stuff i never show history bro or the state of politics i've got nothing to shill so watch

01:31:37.060 bo's stuff yeah watch history bro it's good and the state of politics with nate mr h reviews and watch

01:31:45.300 lotus eaters and lotus eaters yeah dot com you're already watching that so you don't need instruction

01:31:50.900 so in my last video comment i showed how far i've gotten since i started to draw last october and now

01:31:57.220 i jump into digital making this into this and i started a twitter to just sort of post my art as i'm

01:32:05.780 making it so if you want to follow me telling me what a good job i'm doing or encourage me anything

01:32:11.860 come follow me on twitter and we're just having a wholesome night time trying to learn how to do art

01:32:18.180 okay so good stuff yeah you're really a much better drawer than i am yeah so i'm terrible at

01:32:23.220 drawing i mean you're it already looks good enough that i'd presume it was done by a professional

01:32:29.860 artist so you're on the right track i've said that before one time ages ago i said i'm terrible at

01:32:34.020 drawing i wish i was much better and i've got a fair few comments saying it's just practice dude like

01:32:38.260 just just spend loads of time if you really care about it spend spend loads and loads of time on

01:32:42.420 it and you will get better and all i'd say was that i've actually done that a bit obviously not

01:32:46.980 enough i've done it a bit and i'm still crap you know you know it's like there's some things you've

01:32:51.380 got aptitudes for and some things you pick up quicker than others right so i've given drawing a

01:32:57.140 bit of a go in my time and um it just doesn't come naturally i think there are some things that it's

01:33:03.060 okay to consign yourself to not being good at like my my art form is playing music so the you know

01:33:10.260 drawing and painting i'm just not going to be good at it i'll let other people be good at that that's

01:33:14.180 fine you don't have to be good at everything it's it's okay yeah like i'm not very good at music

01:33:19.460 either like i've played guitar ever since i was 15 uh not never got particularly good at it uh but um

01:33:27.940 still to this day can't sing and play at the same time that is hard though it's a lot harder than it

01:33:32.500 looks i've played must it must be hundreds of hours of guitar just sitting there with an acoustic

01:33:38.100 guitar playing practicing really easy shitty three called oasis songs but it will be dozens if not

01:33:43.460 hundreds of hours and i still can't sing and play at the same time so i just it doesn't come naturally

01:33:49.940 to me put it that way some people like when the first times they pick it up they'll be able to do that

01:33:54.100 right right i just i just can't anyway got any more video comments now that is a cool train

01:34:08.340 swindon made locomotive oh so is that one did you say swindon i think so yeah swindon made locomotive

01:34:16.980 oh right it's been a maid i remember getting on a train with carriages that looks like that yeah so

01:34:24.260 do i yeah yeah yeah drugs and cake

01:34:32.660 nice that's great hope you had a nice time been in the train oh say i've been in train carriages

01:34:41.540 that are even more antiquated than that where it's literally like a corridor down one side of the

01:34:46.020 train the other side they're individual rooms i remember that kind of carriage yeah that's proper

01:34:50.980 early 20th century sort of thing when i was a little kid more than once when i was a little kid

01:34:56.420 must be somewhere rural branch line but anyway yeah great days segment on the ninja menace in the uk has

01:35:03.700 been bothering me for days the purpose of a tanto or a reverse tanto end of a blade is to make it better for

01:35:09.780 piercing or stabbing this could also be a ninja sword does it seem to you like those who know very

01:35:17.940 little about weapons and even less about mothering try to make up for that lack of mothering by making

01:35:23.460 up silly unenforceable rules as though if you just took enough toys away you could stop the naughty boys

01:35:29.380 from becoming ninjas hmm

01:35:37.860 i've heard that you you've got to either be born into or convert into becoming a ninja

01:35:42.900 to to really start the the ninja ways that's what i've heard but um yeah it's a very silly thing and

01:35:50.100 it's a very arbitrary ban and obviously it's just so the government can say they're doing something

01:35:54.580 about it without doing anything really meaningful as is always the way

01:36:14.980 i also like the sort of corporate music in the background just it's funny i saw uh just earlier

01:36:20.580 today i saw a clip on twitter uh shane guillis just calling elon a retarded just openly calling

01:36:27.620 you retarded fair enough really i'll read a couple of comments i know we're a bit over time but i'll

01:36:33.540 give you them for free because i'm a nice guy uh irrecodible frog says the two mate based load

01:36:40.900 seaters let's go harry on suicide watch both harry and dan claim that that crown it's like

01:36:50.260 he who declares himself king is not a king he who declares himself based is not based

01:36:55.700 biggie bigfoot says the dream team are on and there's no direwolf segment how disappointing well

01:37:00.100 all they did was give regular gray wolves uh white fur and made them bigger i think didn't they or

01:37:06.980 something like that so they've not they've created a hybrid i was considering doing a segment on that

01:37:12.340 i i thought about it the first thing i read this morning maybe we will tomorrow on the next day

01:37:16.660 maybe i am on tomorrow yeah maybe i'll talk about it and and i'm on thursday i think

01:37:23.060 or friday certainly maybe i'll do that because it is interesting even if you'll get there before

01:37:28.180 you bow okay sorry i don't know you you can have dibs on it that's fine okay cheers um it's interesting

01:37:34.660 nonetheless even though it's a bit much to say that the direwolf has come back from extinction it's like

01:37:39.700 it's not quite what's happened but interesting nonetheless so a comment from the first segment

01:37:45.780 from bow isn't actually bald he's been wearing a bald cap this entire time i wish you'd told me

01:37:51.300 i've got a blonde fro under under this bald cap he's hiding it it's so you can be anonymous outside

01:37:57.140 isn't it the uk's right-wing party should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen

01:38:01.540 this should be a reflection point for them as well as a tacit admission

01:38:04.980 by the majority party that being right-wing is both needed and popular i had a hiccup right

01:38:12.260 for your segment bow uh lord inquisitor hector rex says supreme court ruled last night that

01:38:18.260 trend or aragua gang members can be exported and the activist federal judges cannot stop it finally

01:38:22.660 some sanity that's what you're talking about more or less wasn't it and then uh chase bull says

01:38:29.540 being a canadian in 2025 has made me racist against indians to be fair um you've had the most

01:38:40.100 what's the word you've had the most accelerated um injection of indian culture into canada

01:38:47.140 probably possible because it went from like zero to lots very very quickly and so it was very very

01:38:53.220 quick and and difficult to get used to and uh oh do i have time for one more no um maybe i'll do one

01:39:01.460 more just for the sake of it furious dan says after that story of the assaults i'm confident now that

01:39:06.340 there are people we should not redeem yes do not redeem the gift card everyone or do redeem it as it

01:39:13.380 annoys the indian scammers and on that note um thank you very much for watching make sure to tune in

01:39:19.060 same time tomorrow thank you very much for watching again twice i'm very grateful today for some reason

01:39:24.660 and goodbye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - April 08, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1138

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