The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1143

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the podcast of the lotus eaters i am joined by dan and stelios hello

00:00:14.100 everyone the date today is the 14th of april 2025 if you get your date from the lotus eaters

00:00:20.180 i'm a little bit worried for you um you should know this by now already and if it really matters

00:00:24.700 to you it is also podcast 1143 we always include the number i like the number i've lost track it

00:00:32.740 just reminds me of of how long i've been here like i'm part of the furniture now if you add the digits

00:00:38.000 they equal nine which i think it's a good thing that's true lucky number is it so today i'm talking

00:00:46.980 about um esoteric occult um assassination attempts stelios is talking about the debate between

00:00:56.100 douglas murray and dave smith and then are you sure it's the 14th no it's the 15th

00:01:02.960 right i i wrote the document yesterday and so what i did was i i looked at the date in the corner of my

00:01:10.640 laptop and that was the date then all right okay it's not important all right i've given i've just

00:01:17.380 taken what if somebody's just cancelled an appointment or something dan's taken a day from

00:01:21.640 you don't don't let this slide i said it was the past okay i live in the past grandhog day

00:01:27.020 apparently so i forgot what i was saying now oh yeah dan you're telling us about how

00:01:32.000 you can sell drugs oh yes it's i've got an amazing side hustle can't wait to tell you all about it

00:01:37.160 mm-hmm graduated into a hustler yes yes it started off as a bit of a side project you know because

00:01:43.660 you're supposed to diversify your income streams you see so yes i'll tell you all about that i'm

00:01:48.260 looking forward to this one because uh i could do have a bit of extra income yeah yeah sure yeah but

00:01:52.840 anyway on to this dark story so today i'm going to be telling you a tale of murder attempted presidential

00:02:02.380 assassinations secretive occult group and austrian painter enthusiasm and so uh you might be saying

00:02:10.960 josh uh are you trying to get yourself in trouble with youtube and the answer is no but maybe yes a

00:02:17.840 little bit so this is actually the the fourth proper attempt uh seemingly killing trump has it been

00:02:25.940 another one yeah he didn't get as far as some of the others certainly didn't get as far as crooks so

00:02:32.460 the first one is um thomas crooks that was the butler pennsylvania one well it's the first one that

00:02:38.520 we we heard about i bet there's been loads who yeah there's the the trump international golf club one

00:02:44.900 yep that was the the ukraine mad guy and then there was the coachella rally after that where a man had

00:02:53.360 possession of two firearms ammunition multiple passports with different names and an unregistered

00:02:58.720 vehicle with a fake so that one never got off a shot no okay the other two did yeah and this is

00:03:05.440 well that's what i'm talking about oh i didn't hear about this this is the new one that came about

00:03:11.260 so the person you're seeing on screen here is uh nikita cassap who is 17 year old from wisconsin

00:03:20.040 what he did was he murdered his stepfather donald mayer 51 and mother uh titania cassap who was 35

00:03:28.980 bit of an age gap there so he shot his mother at least three times twice in the stomach and once in

00:03:34.040 the neck and then he killed his stepfather by shooting him in the back of the head

00:03:38.400 so the mother was 31 35 35 oh okay he's in he's how old 17 all right okay all right donald is

00:03:46.360 obviously a bit of a player i mean the the dad stepdad yeah um so he didn't kill the family dog

00:03:54.080 who he took with him to flee um there's that scene uh so he did show a slight bit of mercy there

00:04:01.260 uh and he was arrested after running a stop sign while driving his stepdad's volkswagen atlas

00:04:07.980 in kansas which was about 800 miles away from his home so he'd run away and on the 1st of march

00:04:16.360 the local county sheriff found them both dead and you might be saying well what's this got to do with

00:04:24.220 yes well he allegedly killed his parents to gain the financial means and independence i suppose to

00:04:33.080 assassinate the president donald trump and overthrow the u.s government so he was going to use the 14 000

00:04:42.260 u.s dollars he took from them to finance this attempted assassination and uh he also planned a

00:04:48.780 terrorist attack which included drones and explosives which um i hear is one of those things that is

00:04:55.860 perhaps more difficult to guard against i've got i've got to say i mean despite the fact what he did

00:05:01.500 was truly awful and reprehensible you can't fault him for his ambition yes i suppose that's a way of

00:05:08.380 looking at it i mean i think if your ambition is to kill your family that's a pretty bad ambition

00:05:15.020 oh yeah but he went much bigger than that i mean he was what drone strikes on i mean it's pretty big

00:05:20.900 so the material found on his phone and this is according to the authorities so from now on take

00:05:28.260 everything i say from with a pinch of salt um was linked to the order of nine angles um anyone familiar

00:05:36.140 with them is that a masonic thing or something um not quite masonic right but you're you're sort of

00:05:42.180 right about the esoteric aspect of it okay so he also wrote a three-page manifesto apparently um

00:05:49.480 explaining his actions which he allegedly um had neo neo mid-century german views and was apparently

00:06:01.900 anti-semitic not that those things um i would imagine that they're both part of the same thing

00:06:07.840 but apparently he also had images of a certain austrian painter on his phone with the caption

00:06:14.300 hail this austrian painter hail the white race hail victory and this struck me as a little bit strange

00:06:21.460 because that's sort of like a socialist having a picture of marx with the caption we need to seize

00:06:25.740 the means of production for the proletariat a little bit strange isn't it why i don't know it's like me

00:06:33.140 saying uh having a picture of i don't know ludwig von mises saying i need austrian economics yeah but

00:06:39.980 he's true you're all a bunch of socialists so so we're saying that he he was an admirer of the austrian

00:06:47.500 painter yes and he wanted to call trump who absolutely the entire left wing calls literally hit low all day

00:06:55.420 long every day but don't focus on that part of it because that's that's that's uh that's actually a

00:07:01.680 reasonable argument and might actually help legitimize things but apparently he discussed

00:07:06.320 his plans with others as well and um other individuals allegedly assisted and were aware

00:07:12.860 of his intentions don't know anything about these people that's they work for cnn or they're just

00:07:17.460 mates of his i mean i don't know we don't that's all we know so far that's all we've been told

00:07:22.140 um however there is a massive deep rabbit hole with his association to the order of nine angles

00:07:28.860 so before i go on um paying attention um the charges are why wouldn't i just making sure um charges at

00:07:40.740 the state level are two counts of first degree murder two counts of hiding a corpse theft or property of

00:07:45.980 property over ten thousand dollars misappropriating id to obtain money um potential federal charges

00:07:52.620 include conspiracy presidential assassination and use of weapons of mass destruction so that's a pretty

00:07:58.600 long list but anyway use of weapons of mass so he actually got the drones did he i don't know that's

00:08:04.400 these are potential charges i don't know whether it's actually um i mean if he actually used weapons

00:08:09.200 of mass destruction i mean that that's kind of burying the lead to be honest i would start he didn't

00:08:13.240 actually use them yet okay so he he intended to use them yes yeah so the order of the nine angles so

00:08:20.460 i'm no expert and i only have a cursory knowledge of esotericism and the occult and nor am i into it

00:08:27.120 to be clear um i just know about it um because it's interesting uh so the order of the nine angles

00:08:34.240 is not an organization but a form of belief it's a system of belief i suppose it's got no real

00:08:39.180 organization and is probably um its adherents are a very small number of people uh it's a sort of

00:08:46.620 synthesis of norse mythology ancient greek mythology and hermeticism okay so it's starting to sound a

00:08:54.080 little bit cool now they're described as satanists but that's not really true in the sense that most

00:08:59.700 people mean it as they reject abrahamic religion entirely um they're just they self-describe um

00:09:06.260 satanists as abrahamic atheists which i think is fair enough they are sort of atheists really they

00:09:12.220 don't actually believe in satan a lot of the time okay and they use the term themselves um as a sort

00:09:19.260 of placeholder for a sinister divinity so they might describe satanism but they don't mean it in the

00:09:25.620 conventional sense um and this order originated in the united kingdom and the group claims it was

00:09:31.980 established in the welsh marches and that's marches and not marshes so the borderlands in the late 60s

00:09:39.220 by a woman who had previously been involved in a secretive pre-christian sect which survived in the

00:09:43.880 region apparently and the account also states that in 1973 a man named anton long was initiated into the

00:09:51.880 group and subsequently became its grandmaster and that man is believed to be this guy david myatt

00:10:00.960 here he is speaking to the bbc in 2000 so he's believed to be the founder of the order of nine

00:10:07.320 angles as well as uh the white nationalist uh i can probably say it once neo-nazi group combat 18

00:10:15.320 he denies this although even the order of the nine angles own literature names him on a few occasions

00:10:21.760 i think it's pretty safe to say it's probably him um and i'm pointing this out because it's

00:10:29.060 interesting his father worked as a civil servant for the british government interesting isn't it

00:10:35.480 yeah it's all going to come together so nick lolz um has recorded a conversation with this guy he met

00:10:43.280 him in a pub and i think secretly recorded it and the file is now online nick lolz of hope not hate

00:10:49.500 oh him yes the guy who vets all the candidates for reform that's the man yes and he also runs a

00:10:56.640 communist hate group that is widely thought of as being an intelligence agency thing yes at least

00:11:06.180 associated with them and um i would also like to point out that nick lolz not too long ago less than a

00:11:12.480 year ago had his company's address in his twitter bio at some point last year and if you're dealing

00:11:19.440 with these sorts of people there's no way you would do that without some sort of intelligence protection

00:11:23.840 just throwing that one out there this is my own speculation so remember i said that this guy

00:11:30.000 set up both the order of the nine angles which is an occultist group he also set up combat 18 which

00:11:36.920 is uh potentially a neo-nazi group um so in the uk uh in 1998 combat 18 leader uh was found out to be

00:11:46.900 a police informer which is interesting isn't it um so it says here charlie sergeant the former leader

00:11:54.920 of combat 18 who is currently serving a life sentence for the murder of fellow nazi christopher castle

00:12:00.100 was a police informer according to a bbc television documentary um and it it presented evidence and

00:12:07.060 confirmed many suspicions that it had been infiltrated by the police the whole time it's quite sporting this

00:12:12.140 because i think that all of these neo-nazi groups would have disappeared decades ago if it wasn't for

00:12:16.600 the police and intelligence service bolstering their numbers keeping them alive i do think they are a

00:12:21.740 significant uh number of uh people involved at the very least i wonder if there's any actual neo-nazis

00:12:29.020 left inside them or if it's just all police now there might be one i think there are one or two actual

00:12:33.900 real people right that do a lot of the bad thing and the other 25 people in the room turning up

00:12:40.340 making war room paying the subs are just police i guess so yes here's another one so this is how the

00:12:46.240 fbi funded a book publisher and i'll read from this a little bit so it says um a man with close ties

00:12:58.120 to white supremacist organizations has received more than a hundred thousand dollars from the federal

00:13:02.940 bureau of investigations as an informant court documents have revealed uh joshua caleb sutter of

00:13:08.600 columbia uh south carolina has worked with the fbi since 2003 according to records obtained by

00:13:14.640 investigative journalist ali winston so this guy was actually the leader of the temple of blood

00:13:20.460 that's temple ov blood not of and that's how it's spelt for whatever reason and this is the american

00:13:28.720 cell connected to the order of the nine angles which of course was originally set up in the uk in

00:13:34.480 england and wales i suppose so he was the leader of that group the basically the american chapter of it

00:13:41.080 and of course this happened the the recent plan to assassinate trump happened in the united states

00:13:46.460 of course he also um infiltrated atomwaffen which is another neo-nazi group um probably in his capacity

00:13:55.360 working for the fbi and the only reason that this all fell apart was that he started handing out

00:14:03.580 material to college students which in their mind legitimized the the crackdown right but also it made

00:14:10.020 him much more visible and therefore potentially jeopardized the fbi's intel gathering it's also

00:14:17.280 worth mentioning uh that ruby ridge you know that that horrible thing when the the federal government

00:14:23.580 murdered two innocent people um that the father of the family who uh um attacked by the government

00:14:30.940 um randy weaver went to an aryan nation meeting um he wasn't a member he just attended the odd

00:14:39.460 thing you know you know first amendment and all that fair enough um and there was a man at these

00:14:46.160 meetings that for about a year tried to pester him into selling him a shotgun that was sawn off

00:14:52.280 slightly below the legal limit and so eventually what that guy's other profession was yes uh he was an

00:15:01.600 fbi informant by the way oh right okay um that was you were thinking yes and eventually ran randy weaver

00:15:08.380 um ended up giving in um which was the entire justification for the feds raiding his isolated

00:15:13.880 property that he lived on um self-sufficiently with his family minding his own business and resulted in

00:15:19.040 the murder of his son and wife well he did he did saw off a shotgun very slightly below the legal limit

00:15:26.600 mm-hmm but let's just remind ourselves here that what i've done is i've listed lots of these sorts

00:15:32.340 of groups that um have got proven links to you know the feds either people being informers

00:15:41.740 working for the fbi specifically or even if they join the group eventually they they got some dirt on

00:15:48.200 them and managed to twist them to becoming an informant that's usually what happens it's not that

00:15:52.780 they infiltrate them is that they get dirt on someone and they blackmail them into becoming an

00:15:57.080 informant for them so by this point you're saying okay well we get that perhaps there's some suspicious

00:16:03.580 circumstances around this but why would they target trump specifically as in the men within the order of

00:16:11.440 nine angles because of course i think that this 17 year old was not you know working for the fbi

00:16:18.880 i think if there there is any sort of involvement in that sense uh maybe it's the people he was

00:16:25.480 communicating with at the most but we can't say that for certain we don't know is that the truth

00:16:30.440 of it but of course there's enough reason for people in the intelligence agencies given what trump

00:16:35.720 has said to feel like their um career their life it not in the sense that trump's going to kill them but

00:16:42.660 their entire way of life might be ruined a gravy trainer exactly but also there's enough incentive

00:16:48.200 but also extremes thrive on victimization so i can sort of see how if someone is in that sphere

00:16:56.800 and they constantly get bombarded with a message that everything around them is going to kill them and

00:17:03.040 destroy them that's how that's usually how things get done in the not supporting it i'm explaining i'm

00:17:12.980 explaining a social phenomena when people get used into victim victimization narrative they tend to see

00:17:21.160 everything as self-defense even the most crazy thing such as what he did no that's a fair point

00:17:28.620 so here is uh surprisingly the order of nine angles has a website and this is a post from the 20th of

00:17:37.040 december 2023 where they endorsed biden harris and i'm just going to read this in their own words

00:17:43.700 because uh that's not what the mainstream media does but i'm not saying this this group is good by any

00:17:49.440 stretch of the imagination i don't think they are um but here's what they say politics can be summarized

00:17:55.140 as a net loss for humanity a political system system we have adopted out of fear of the others in which

00:18:01.040 the lowest common denominator of opportunism and emotionality triumphs over any kind of leadership

00:18:06.900 that being said democracy is failing worldwide nations are going broke preparing for war inundated

00:18:13.340 with refugees beset by internal refugees real ruled by careerist psychopaths and perhaps most ominously

00:18:19.200 electing leaders who are associated with foreign powers this means the arc of history bends towards

00:18:23.880 the end of democracy and soon the last thing we want right now is one of these christian band-aid

00:18:29.020 do-gooders like nikki hayley vivette gramaswamy chris christie donald trump and ronda santis to take

00:18:34.680 over and fix things we want to rush into the abyss so that the end of history can come to its natural

00:18:40.080 terminus and a new dark age will be visited upon the earth error they're making an error accelerationism

00:18:47.540 doesn't work if it did south africa would have been fixed a decade ago that's true in this new era

00:18:53.640 might will make right the claw and tooth will always be red and blood will cross the land like

00:18:59.600 an ever-flowing stream strong will oppress the weak and the weak will die and natural selection will

00:19:04.860 resume this can only happen through weak humanist leadership that will stumble its way into war famine

00:19:10.760 recession terrorism corruption and human misery the self-deletions will leave before the battle

00:19:17.980 commence um only biden harris can bring about this advancement of history and therefore we endorse

00:19:23.900 the biden harris campaign in 2024 so i think that the motive here is quite clear isn't it um although

00:19:31.900 of course this wasn't written by that 17 year old you can see why when they've got they've got associated

00:19:39.100 they've got bits of it right here and there but they've just weaved it in with a whole load of

00:19:44.380 just absolute schizo nonsense i'll say that uh judging by what i read here it seems more like you know

00:19:54.140 wildly irrational thinking it's yeah i detract yeah i don't think that i think that's a fairly safe bet i

00:20:01.580 think they would even describe themselves as irrational uh coming from esoteric occultism perhaps so

00:20:08.860 you might say that these groups have been linked to murders assassinations and terror plots and so

00:20:16.540 on the face of it it seems like a matter of public safety that these groups are heavily infiltrated by

00:20:21.100 intelligence types and informants i think that that's a pretty good and strong argument right that

00:20:26.060 it could just be that it is as it looks and there's nothing much more to it than that that these people are

00:20:32.380 a danger to the public and therefore they're of concern to well the only thing that i want to

00:20:37.740 prevent is is not whether they've been infiltrated by the feds is that is there anyone in them who

00:20:42.460 isn't in the feds that's the only thing that my question well from what i've been able to gather

00:20:46.940 from my research they do seem to scoop up legitimate believers but it seems like a very significant

00:20:52.700 portion are yes involved in intelligence so let's take for example uh the london nail bombings you might be

00:21:01.100 able to remember this one dan uh from 1999 oh yes the admiral duncan pub one yeah there's a few so

00:21:09.020 basically he targeted three different places uh it was a largely black area a largely was it bengali area

00:21:16.780 and then a largely uh gay community area with nail bombs and it killed multiple people injured multiple

00:21:27.020 people and then what happened was there was a strong public appetite understandably to prevent a future

00:21:33.820 attack because it's scary just random explosions well nail bombs are bad yes and um what it did do is it

00:21:42.860 gave the government justification to pass lots of legislation that might otherwise have faced lots

00:21:48.620 lots of wider scrutiny so you've got the terrorism act of 2000 the criminal justice act of 2003 the racial and

00:21:54.780 religious hatred act of 2006 um so lots of these things um cite things like you're not going where i

00:22:02.060 think you're going with this are you what's that well we spent the whole time talking about how most of

00:22:07.100 this stuff is just the feds in disguise i'm saying it's possible i'm not saying i know for certain i'm just

00:22:14.060 saying that um there is an incentive there is precedent um all right so um here is the bbc approaching david

00:22:26.380 myatt um basically accusing him of being the main inspiration for this attack and so he's obviously the

00:22:34.220 person implicated in forming the order of the nine angles and here he is being held responsible for this

00:22:40.300 and as far as he was aware he wasn't necessarily that affiliated with that group they confronted

00:22:48.700 him at his home so it was certainly believed that he played a role in it even though

00:22:54.540 it may or may not have been the case so i think that what i'm trying to point out here is that it's

00:23:03.020 entirely possible a lot of people in intelligence agencies have their backs up against the wall i'm not

00:23:08.060 saying it's happened i'm not saying it's because of that i'm just saying that it makes sense to bear

00:23:14.380 it in mind because the people releasing all the information to the public are the intelligence

00:23:18.380 agencies uh they're the ones that have swept this up and that thomas crooks kid for example there's

00:23:24.700 definitely something fishy going on there it's also worth mentioning as well that he got caught by local

00:23:29.580 police um so it was the the local police that found his parents bodies it was the local police that

00:23:38.060 pulled him over when he was driving his stepdad's car and so perhaps it foiled things and and just an added

00:23:47.820 layer of um i suppose confusion here is that we also know that lots of the intelligence agencies take

00:23:55.500 this esoteric stuff quite seriously so there are lots of different this is a cia program called

00:24:01.900 the gateway program one of the the prominent ones there's also project sun streak which is another

00:24:07.660 one where um the cia were involved in investigating things like that um here's a cia report on entropy and

00:24:17.100 psycho nesis i i don't i've always been unable to pronounce that word for whatever reason

00:24:22.540 psychokinesis psychokinesis thank you and then of course there's things you know that everyone knows

00:24:28.220 about can do you mk ultra um i've been trying it just doesn't work i've not been able to do it

00:24:34.460 clearly i've just not been doing it right so on on the one hand they've been infiltrating these groups

00:24:40.220 probably because they are dangerous i think that's fair to say on the other they're also heavily

00:24:46.620 involved in the same things that many of these groups are actually looking at at the same time

00:24:50.940 and one has to wonder um well this assassination attempt how did a 17 year old kid manage to

00:25:01.100 basically plan all of this and know how he's about to approach it who was talking to him and i think

00:25:07.180 that when the the us government is at war with the intelligence agencies and the intelligence agencies

00:25:15.580 we know for certain are not averse to you know carrying out these sorts of things abroad we have

00:25:22.860 plenty of evidence for that but it's literally their job to do it abroad exactly um is there

00:25:27.660 really a big difference between them doing it domestically and them doing it externally i i don't

00:25:32.700 think there is i think that there's a strong incentive there i don't know for certain um and i'm not going

00:25:37.340 to suggest that it's a done deal or anything but it's worth keeping in mind so to be clear you're not

00:25:42.700 saying that the feds are behind some of this stuff you're just not not saying that yes that's a

00:25:48.300 good way of putting it i think i think it's i think the fact that there's this long rabbit hole

00:25:53.260 and many of these groups seem to be inundated with this sort of thing that if he was coordinating

00:25:58.780 with people i think there's a good chance one of them was connected to an intelligence agency is

00:26:04.220 is what i'm saying in a nutshell um it's a very deep rabbit hole i'm not surprised many people

00:26:08.780 haven't looked into it um but there it is we've got one comment josh is a fed only government

00:26:15.660 incompetence doesn't get the date right dan side i am for me

00:26:21.980 damn it i've been outed

00:26:25.020 right so a few days ago there was a debate at the joe rogan podcast between

00:26:30.300 douglas murray and dave smith oh i heard that one yeah i watched it as well

00:26:34.620 yes i think all of us have watched it here yeah it was popular that one wasn't it because um

00:26:40.940 well for reasons i'm sure you explained well i got about two hours and ten minutes before i gave up all

00:26:46.780 hope um i think actually the last 50 minutes were really really good all right well i think at the

00:26:54.620 wrong point yeah you should watch all of it yes right so i want to say that we can't talk about all of

00:27:01.180 the we can't talk about all of the debate it was three hours i'll talk about some of it and i'll try

00:27:07.660 to help people structure their thinking about it so i think we can split it into six sections or issues

00:27:16.940 one is the first 40 minutes roughly where they were talking about platforming issues

00:27:23.100 the other is about algorithmic issues then they were talking about foreign policy qatari funding in the us

00:27:31.340 and then we have the have you been to gaza section which we are going to talk about and then the last

00:27:38.140 bit i think was the collateral damage section where to my mind the way i saw it um dave smith was making

00:27:46.140 more of a deontological argument about the collateral damage involved in in gaza whereas douglas

00:27:52.700 marie was i'm not sure what you mean by that well we'll get there no no no literally the word

00:27:59.260 deontological i don't know what it means where you say that there are some things that are right

00:28:02.940 and wrong to do full stop irrespective of consequences oh that's what it means that's

00:28:09.260 i think that's how i would give a charitable interpretation of this point so it's a clash

00:28:14.940 of two different ethical perspectives on the issue right so we can't talk about all of it but i'd say that

00:28:20.220 from what i heard about it i expected it to be much worse and i expected there to be much less

00:28:29.260 disagreement and i expected there to be much more of elitism than there actually was there quite a lot

00:28:35.500 though there was some but i think that the degree of it is overstated maybe this is where we may disagree

00:28:42.060 on a bit about a bit i i found that i agreed with dave smith on the vast majority of the things he said

00:28:51.020 and i was quite surprised at murray being how do i say this utterly insufferable from start to finish

00:28:59.740 is how i'd phrase it it's not too bad um i was gonna say that um he was

00:29:06.300 quite focused on a very specific topic i mean yes i don't think he hid this no to be very fair i

00:29:18.060 think that uh basically he did come off as arrogant in several places but that is his style if it's a

00:29:25.020 problem now why wasn't it a problem before when he was targeting the wokies so it's his style and also i

00:29:32.460 think that the degree in which he was presented as saying that some people shouldn't be platformed

00:29:39.420 i think that this is a misrepresentation his main issue was an issue with balanced

00:29:44.460 platforming can we talk about the platforming side of things uh yeah but give me a minute

00:29:49.900 so i contextualize the platforming thing so basically the first 40 minutes were about daryl cooper

00:29:55.820 mm-hmm that was what the first 40 minutes were about who was uh interviewed by tucker carlson and he

00:30:04.140 made a uh statement that churchill was the real villain of world war ii at least that's how i think he

00:30:12.940 uh he said what i think he said oh he he said that turn of phrase didn't he yeah he also had a thread

00:30:20.220 talking about why he thinks that churchill was the real villain of world war ii and because he

00:30:28.220 was platformed by tucker carlson everyone was talking about it i think it's largely because

00:30:32.380 churchill could not afford to be churchill so he had to make some concessions well i think that uh

00:30:37.260 it's a good thing for people to check our churchill roundabout discussion i think there was healthy

00:30:42.620 disagreement in it i think it was a very interesting um discussion between us all because we basically had a

00:30:48.620 panel of all the hosts and we had a very mature and civil discussion and we had the plenty of

00:30:54.620 perspectives so that i think that that was a good thing to have several perspectives without hitting

00:31:01.340 each other and try to right so carl did another video on uh whether churchill was the villain of

00:31:08.460 world war ii and he doesn't think that he he was i don't think he was either i mean there are there

00:31:14.860 are lots of villains in world war ii i think i think what he's trying to do there by making that

00:31:19.340 statement is what i understand from it is that he's trying to say that perhaps churchill's role

00:31:27.500 in doing bad things is understated but i wouldn't say he's the principal villain well when you've got um

00:31:33.580 a certain painter and a certain mustached georgian perhaps perhaps that was the point but i do think

00:31:41.340 that mori has a good uh point on in saying that a lot of people start doing revisionist history

00:31:49.100 because they i they claim to be what to want to disagree with us foreign policy or israeli foreign

00:31:57.020 policy and my question is why don't you disagree with the foreign policy of israel and us

00:32:04.060 without doing historical revisionism why do you need that so i personally find it very suspicious

00:32:10.460 you can do two things at the same time yeah but why do you why do you if you're intellectually

00:32:14.860 why not go for the surgical if you're intellectually curious about one thing why wouldn't you be

00:32:18.620 intellectually curious about all the other things they discuss this same thing in the podcast don't

00:32:23.100 they and i i think it's fair to to revisit things i don't think there's any settled history is there

00:32:28.460 and i think that um no one here is saying that you shouldn't be intellectually curious and think

00:32:33.980 critically about what you're maybe no one here okay no one nobody nobody in this room but uh murray

00:32:41.980 basically the um the the the set of sort of boom truths that we've been handed down suits him very

00:32:47.660 much and therefore he does not want anybody questioning these things and he starts off by saying

00:32:51.900 look i'm not criticizing anybody for um looking at these things but he blatantly is criticizing

00:32:56.700 people for i i i don't think that this was his issue he does criticize and everyone criticizes

00:33:01.820 everyone they disagree with i mean he was he was saying things like you know to joe rogan if you're

00:33:06.700 only putting up people who are critical of um um this view people are not hearing the other side oh i'm

00:33:13.820 not hearing the other side i mean what about every hollywood movie ever made every bloody bbc and all the

00:33:19.980 the publicly funded documentary ever made like 99 of the books that have ever been written and well

00:33:26.140 100 of the ones you can actually buy in the bookstore i think i have got the mainstream view of this

00:33:32.460 so if i then occasionally hear a joe rogan podcast where they put the other side i don't think that's

00:33:36.780 going to warp my perspective i haven't got the bloody side the issue is that maybe it won't change yours

00:33:42.140 but the issue that marie was trying to say is that when you have the number one podcast and you have

00:33:47.420 a massive reach well maybe you need to show both sides which i think joe rogan the rest of the

00:33:54.380 audience they get they get every single hollywood movie ever made as well i also i thought it was

00:33:59.340 the worst thing oh sorry go ahead you go ahead stelis please i think actually that was one of the

00:34:03.980 worst things murray said is that you should do this thing that i want you to do with your podcast and

00:34:10.220 it's like hang on a minute um you can say um i've got these really interesting people you're going to

00:34:16.060 love it you can you can say that they'll give you a new perspective on things maybe they'll help

00:34:20.460 inform the debate you don't start making demands just he's trying to scold moralizing isn't coercing

00:34:27.020 i know that's the issue because you can definitely say that well people are allowed are allowed to do

00:34:32.780 lots of things you don't necessarily say that if i disagree with you it means that i want the

00:34:37.660 government to coerce you but i think that we can definitely have a civil society that exercises moral

00:34:43.820 pressure without that moral pressure disintegrating into state coercion but i think that joe rogan

00:34:50.380 should get on whoever he wants and he just said he does yeah he does and i think that he explicitly

00:34:56.460 said didn't he when that came up that well i i invite people in that i find interesting yeah so maybe

00:35:02.940 he understands the view that murray is trying to push but the reason murray is pushing it isn't that he

00:35:07.340 actually cares about a fair um hearing he's already made up his mind uh is is hiding behind uh the

00:35:15.100 concept of fair play because he's picked a side he's nailed his reputation to israel and the reason

00:35:22.700 that he's pushing joe rogan to do that is he feels like joe rogan's platform isn't unequivocal enough

00:35:28.780 in its support of them and he's trying to say well it's it's fair but i don't think that his problem is

00:35:33.980 that it's fair there are lots of things that he's not fair about but by not inviting other people

00:35:38.300 definitely but the point is that when you are saying that other people should be invited you

00:35:43.580 don't say that they should be invited because they are they are the platonic idea of objectivity

00:35:50.380 of course everyone has their biases everyone has their allegiances if you would like if you want to be

00:35:56.460 very cynical but that doesn't mean that when you have for instance the

00:36:00.700 a massive reach you shouldn't try to address to present every side and if you your if your shtick

00:36:08.380 is i'm a relaxed bro and i want to hear everyone yeah platform everyone and that was that wasn't that

00:36:14.460 was marie's point he didn't say that people shouldn't be platformed he said if you are to bring historians

00:36:20.300 you should also platform other people that was that was the issue he didn't say you shouldn't platform

00:36:26.620 bias people but also um where does the the balance have to to stand because i think there are some

00:36:33.340 issues like i don't think people should cover themselves in excrement i i shouldn't have to

00:36:37.900 then have a person on the podcast saying actually i believe that's a good thing exactly joe rogan did

00:36:43.660 a really good episode about bees and he never got on somebody a week later to talk about wasps and

00:36:48.620 douglas murray is not complaining about that douglas murray that's only complaining about the other side of

00:36:54.540 the things that he cares about which is quite a narrow subset that he spends most of his time

00:36:59.180 that's not equivalent to talk about bees and bees and wasps well you could pick you could pick any

00:37:03.580 subject if it's not something that douglas mowers personally cares about he does not give a toss if

00:37:08.780 you hear the other side of it or not it could be but the point is that here he is raising an issue that

00:37:14.220 maybe he has a point here and i think he does on this not on the issue of not platforming people like

00:37:21.420 the ones that joe rogan has but you think he said douglas murray has the right to tell joe rogan

00:37:26.220 what sort of guests he should i think everyone has the right to exercise moral criticism on others

00:37:30.780 yes if we have free speech and joshua's point was about free speech yeah but i'm saying that i want

00:37:37.100 on and this applies to joe rogan yeah joe rogan says i want this person to access to speak on my

00:37:43.020 platform then the same thing applies for criticism well again murray spent most of that podcast trying to

00:37:49.100 um you know shut down free speech now he did ask him directly he would say i'm not trying to shut

00:37:54.380 down free speech and then he would go on to make seven or eight points which clearly indicates he's

00:37:58.540 trying to shut down i think that this is basically you know projecting a point that he didn't say

00:38:02.940 because on on multiple occasions on multiple occasions he he said and i do have videos here

00:38:09.180 where he constantly qualifies without saying that his issue is you are giving those people platform

00:38:16.460 platform his his issue was that you're giving those people platform without also giving platform to

00:38:22.860 other people number two if you are going to talk about a conflict and you have you have lots of

00:38:29.340 people who claim on the one hand to be experts implicitly people treat them your massive audience

00:38:35.180 treats them as experts and when they're criticized they go back and say that no i'm not an expert and he

00:38:41.740 gave the example that that uh daryl cooper denied debating andrew roberts on on church yeah i mean

00:38:51.580 i think marie has a point here he says own it i'll let you move on in a second but i i just i just

00:38:56.140 want to knock on the head the idea that we're not hearing the other side the entirety of the mainstream

00:39:01.980 media is bombarding us 24 7 with the other side i don't think joe rogan has has any um obligation to

00:39:09.900 give us a double down on the mainstream view yeah but if if the mainstream the question is about the

00:39:17.500 audience and the reach of joe rogan so if suddenly the mainstream media changed entirely their narrative

00:39:24.380 maybe then rogan would start would heisting the other side because that would be interesting

00:39:28.460 yeah it would be interesting but why not host both because the mainstream media already does that it

00:39:33.580 doesn't and the point is that joe rogan has credibility mainstream media has lost credibility

00:39:38.540 well that's that's the mainstream media's problem it's not joe rogan's problem i think there are

00:39:42.140 two things to add here the first of which is that i think that douglas murray had an idea of daryl

00:39:47.580 cooper that's perhaps worse than the reality because recently daryl cooper's done a a history video

00:39:53.580 talking about um anti-semitism and things like that where he's painting it as look at these terrible

00:39:59.980 things that people have that you know the jewish people have been through so i i don't think he's

00:40:04.940 necessarily trying to rehabilitate a certain historic figure because of that motivation because

00:40:11.580 he unless he's very cynical and did it to to cover his uh backside in which case you know you're

00:40:18.300 entitled to have that opinion i don't know the guy very well the second of which is that douglas murray

00:40:23.580 has also been doing the the media rounds talking to lots of different prominent publications and he's

00:40:28.460 a prominent journalist one of the big names in in political commentary and by saying you shouldn't

00:40:34.060 speak to this daryl cooper guy i don't like i don't think he said you shouldn't speak to daryl

00:40:38.620 cooper he said daryl cooper should speak to andrew roberts and daryl cooper denied it so his point

00:40:45.420 wasn't that cooper wasn't platform his point was that when cooper was offered a platform to debate

00:40:52.940 andrew roberts he said no as he should have done because what roberts will do is take him down some

00:40:58.300 alleyway of more and more specific avenues because he because he is a full-time historian who focuses

00:41:05.740 exclusive almost exclusively on this period and he'd better catch him out on that so so that says that

00:41:11.340 you shouldn't debate people who are bet who no because he will be disingenuous in the way that

00:41:16.380 he does it so i mean i i sometimes have debates with people who aren't experts in economics and i keep the

00:41:21.580 debate at the level that is appropriate for them because i'm doing it honestly if if if andrew roberts

00:41:27.580 does it i know he he will he will out specific him on something and use that as a debating tactic

00:41:33.260 and say oh you don't even know about that bloody tank movement yeah well why should the audience

00:41:37.020 side of that field over there why shouldn't the audience listen to it and there could be other

00:41:41.660 historians with other stuff they should i don't think it's a productive way for daryl cooper to spend

00:41:45.420 his time so i mean i i don't want to get hung up i i just say i agree with him productive anyway so

00:41:50.620 let's play clip two for which is a short one i'm just saying i don't really do debates yeah i think

00:41:58.940 it's weird to mainstream very fringe views constantly and not give another side i think that's pause

00:42:06.860 so he doesn't say it's weird to met to to have people from one side says it's weird to not have

00:42:14.540 people from the other side but we do he's talking about joe rogan not having a balanced diet of how

00:42:22.620 many people only watch joe rogan and absolutely nothing else i think many because if you if you

00:42:29.420 take the idea that mainstream media are completely delegitimized in the minds of people and people

00:42:35.180 hate watch it to just sort of get an idea of headlines of what happened during the week

00:42:40.380 and they go to podcasts then podcasts have increased responsibility i think they should get

00:42:47.260 the public well we we should get the public funding engine instead of the bbc getting four

00:42:51.260 billion a year some of it should come to lotus eaters right so let's go to clip number five please

00:42:56.140 because i'm conscious of time right here is a place before we played here is i think an uh place

00:43:04.540 where marie didn't fare well on the have you been to gaza question this oh this seemed rather um

00:43:13.180 out of all of the things that seemed elitist this seemed like one of the ones like have you been i've

00:43:17.820 been there for eight months yes you've got to i make a habit of only talking about countries that

00:43:23.340 i've actually been to it's like well that's that's not well i'm sure he has spoken of about north korea

00:43:29.420 i'm sure yeah also you know i don't want to go to the congo but i would like to talk about it being

00:43:34.940 dangerous because it's an important step to making it not dangerous yeah so i i want to say still that

00:43:41.820 um his point was in response of something else dave smith was saying about specific things that

00:43:48.540 you you would think that maybe someone should have been there in order to talk about it but still i think

00:43:53.980 overall here that's not a strong point let's play this rockets it was a very bad idea no there was

00:44:03.020 not starvation in gaza after 2005. no there was no deficit of goods coming in i've been plenty of

00:44:09.420 time no deficit no there are no goods were kept out there are plenty how many have you been to the

00:44:14.060 crossing points no when were you last there at all i've never been you've never been

00:44:21.580 well am i not allowed to talk about it now i've never been to have you ever been to nazi germany

00:44:27.500 are you allowed to have feelings about them you can't time travel but you can right but you can

00:44:31.260 travel okay but so what so what's the point like no okay i find lots of people have been there and

00:44:35.900 agree with me and lots of people have been there and agree with you so i don't know if you're going to

00:44:38.780 spend a year and a half talking about about a place you should at least do the courtesy of visiting

00:44:42.940 it all right i just think this is a non-argument you don't think no i think it's a non-argument but if

00:44:49.500 you're an expert you have to go and touch the ground no i think you have to i think it's a good

00:44:53.660 idea to see stuff particularly if you spend a career talking about something yes i i have a

00:44:59.660 journalistic rule of trying never to talk about a country even in passing unless i've at least been

00:45:03.900 there okay it's a sort of normal in it's a normal okay no i i think that basically that's that this

00:45:12.380 argument discredits all sort of historical element of sort of uh you know reliance upon history the

00:45:19.260 the funny thing is i i sort of get what douglas murray is trying to say here he's trying to say

00:45:23.100 that um there are some things that you can only really find out if you go to a place which isn't

00:45:27.500 actually a bad argument and i think if he said it in that way um it would have been more convincing

00:45:32.860 but he was saying it so forcefully but the way the way that douglas murray ended up saying it is if

00:45:37.740 trump decides to you know nuclear bomb tasmania tomorrow then douglas murray can't say anything

00:45:42.940 about it because he hasn't been to tasmania which is obviously absurd i think dave smith had really good

00:45:48.060 responses here afterwards because on the one hand i sort of get what maury says if you can

00:45:53.900 do something go and do it it adds to your research but the the problem with this is that as uh dave

00:46:00.620 smith said is that when you go to especially war-torn regions and regions where you know in other cases

00:46:07.740 where they're very corrupt and you are there the guest of governments what are the chances that they

00:46:13.500 are going to show you things that aren't representative of of the place and let me

00:46:18.140 just give an example but also a quick point pack around russia it's a bit easier for murray because

00:46:23.260 he's not burdened down by things like family and children i mean the rest of us supposed to take

00:46:27.740 the kids on on a you know three weeks to to you know east of ukraine if we want to talk about it

00:46:34.140 well i think that we can talk about all these regions by relying on information and even if you go

00:46:39.900 there the information you should you could be given could be entirely wrong i think and smith made the

00:46:45.820 point about iraq and some did some people who allegedly went there spoke about weapons of mass

00:46:51.900 destruction yeah well they claimed that there were weapons of mass destruction there and they were

00:46:57.660 cited as experts and actually um there weren't yeah and of course there there was one person dr david

00:47:04.460 kelly who said that what he was an expert who um went went there and said there weren't and he

00:47:10.780 mysteriously died right so let's go to the next one and before we play it i'm gonna say that this is

00:47:17.100 from the last bit of the of the struggle of the of the struggle session yeah of the debate you're right

00:47:23.740 where they were talking about uh the death toll in gaza and all of the things you would expect were there

00:47:30.620 the uh the contest about the numbers people about talking about the ceasefire dave smith talking about

00:47:37.980 the collateral damage and i think that that was a tragic section because the the topic is tragic and

00:47:45.420 i think that we i i want to play what david smith said here about it's war

00:47:53.020 okay i think you're okay they're not being slaughtered they're being killed okay whatever

00:47:58.380 word you want in a brutal war started by hamas yes it's it's babies uh and little kids screaming

00:48:05.580 out for help under rubble and no help is coming they sit there under the rubble until they die

00:48:10.940 that is the level of human suffering that's being inflicted and if you want to say well listen that's

00:48:15.820 a price that i'm willing to pay to try to degrade hamas even though you yourself recognize that we can't

00:48:20.460 totally eliminate them but we could maybe degrade them or maybe take them down a peg and the price for

00:48:25.900 that is these babies being tortured to death essentially whatever you want to call it

00:48:31.500 okay but from the other side of that story like if there's like i got little kids i don't know if

00:48:37.580 you have kids i know you have kids joe if anybody ever was saying to me that like my kids were the

00:48:42.940 acceptable price for this policy that we want to put into place i'm saying i don't think there's any

00:48:48.380 scenario any scenario douglas where there would be any time where you would accept israeli kids dying

00:48:54.060 like that as an acceptable price for a policy that you're going to be uh um advocating for

00:49:00.140 first of all again go back to the what is actually happening i think we can we can we can post the

00:49:07.580 video so that was the last bit i had to show it because you know i want people to get an idea of

00:49:13.740 what the debate was about so my issue basically is that people that murray has a point when he talks

00:49:22.380 about historical revisionism and the unbalanced platform because if you want to for instance

00:49:28.700 criticize the israeli operation in gaza the war on gaza if you want to criticize potential involvements

00:49:36.860 of the of the us government into it and protect and as dave smith was saying he was particularly

00:49:43.180 worried about a potential conflict with iran you don't have to take the route of of this of let's

00:49:52.540 say revising world war ii history these two are disconnected one thing from another goes if if you

00:50:00.380 care so much about this go straightforwardly and talk about that which for the most part maybe he is

00:50:05.900 doing i'm not saying i'm not uh saying this against jose against dave smith but i am saying it in uh in

00:50:14.300 support of murray's point that there is an issue of responsibility with respect to balance platforming

00:50:21.100 and uh you know bear in mind of the potential dangers of movements who get who who may profit from it

00:50:29.580 yeah i think that um there was a little bit of equivalence in what murray said that you didn't

00:50:35.580 do there whereby he was trying to suggest that daryl cooper had things to say about contemporary

00:50:41.500 israeli policy um that was sort of even though it wasn't said explicitly it sort of implied that

00:50:48.140 well the reason he's doing this isn't that he's actually interested in history it's because he's got

00:50:52.620 things to say about israel and i think that that is a false equivalence because he's known for doing

00:51:00.860 lots of things about history whether he's an expert or not people can debate i personally think

00:51:05.500 you don't i think you should judge people on their merits and not their credentials necessarily and

00:51:10.300 i say that as someone who's paid a lot of money to go through and get credentials you're even more

00:51:14.780 credentialed than i am so uh to be fair and i will say this because there was also another part

00:51:21.500 i think i had it for clip for no it's okay let's just forget it but they that was a non-issue it was

00:51:30.380 presented as being a debate about expertise and it wasn't actually and um i think that's on the fourth

00:51:39.100 one it's it's okay let's let's just leave it um but what he what both said is that not every view is

00:51:47.180 of equal value and dave smith agreed on this so i think it was a red herring to prove by some people

00:51:54.860 to present the debate as being a debate about experts versus non-experts i think also the

00:52:00.540 subsequent debate colored how people viewed the podcast and people debated it outside of it didn't

00:52:05.820 they and i think that actually most people are in agreement that as long as you have good arguments

00:52:12.300 people will listen to you yeah and it doesn't necessarily matter about your credentials but

00:52:16.380 sometimes people with credentials can be very wrong sometimes they can be very right yeah it's it's i

00:52:21.740 think most people agree with that and it's actually that complicated and in communities

00:52:25.420 in scientific communities you have disagreement fitness bros for instance they they're really

00:52:31.660 confusing me are you supposed to have coffee with an empty stomach or not i don't know i drink it

00:52:37.100 every morning i'm still here me too yeah but you know half of them say yeah half of the others say no

00:52:43.500 that's true of experts as well to be honest a lot of my time in psychology is just you know two sides

00:52:51.740 yeah oh you want me to read them yeah i i could read them if you want can i read a comment that

00:52:58.540 isn't a super chat but i just saw it and i thought that was interesting i was waiting until we were on

00:53:03.180 the bit that isn't on youtube before i could say it uh but scanline says murray probably tells drunk

00:53:08.460 straight guys they can't know they're not gay unless they've been there

00:53:11.500 on doomhan says joe rogan has had on uh tons pro israel people including god sod i think that this

00:53:22.940 was addressed on the debate the beginning and he sort of said that he he may have tilted towards the

00:53:28.460 side that is more israel critical but he did he he has had i think what joe rogan said was that he

00:53:34.780 hasn't specifically had someone on to talk about israel and nothing else which douglas murray was taking

00:53:40.140 exception to is that they've been brought up in conversation but that's just the format of

00:53:44.140 joe rogan's podcast it's not so much they don't really usually focus on one topic and that only

00:53:50.380 but thank you for the ten dollars doomhand

00:53:54.620 there's this thing here i got me to to read it for you because i can't look at watch them

00:53:59.340 uh accru says uh for five dollars says i think joe rogan and dave smith were arguing for the supply

00:54:04.700 side of free speech and i think douglas murray was trying to get them to consider the demand side

00:54:08.780 and what the effects of an oversupply is it was a good way of putting it actually i hadn't thought

00:54:14.060 about it like that but um economizing the discussion actually is quite useful yeah

00:54:19.020 and then hewitt 76 for five dollars says only one has to look at the roles of the security

00:54:24.540 services in northern ireland on both sides to see how this works well thank you very much

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00:56:44.380 a bungalow um down the road to give me a bit more space because there's only so much you can do in your

00:56:49.820 back bedroom um got a couple of staff got a couple of botanists working for me some guy who sort of

00:56:55.900 shifts stuff around all that kind of stuff um and that's when i then got into meth right lovely little

00:57:02.060 business i thought because i'd watch broken bad i thought it'd be a lot more complicated than it is

00:57:05.980 it's actually quite straightforward you know you've got your acids you've got your phosphorus you've got

00:57:09.900 the pseudo you give it a mix you stick it in a lab oven you know you break it up get your crystals

00:57:14.860 um yeah and it's also much easier logistically because yes the the price per pound is much higher

00:57:22.460 well and and it's going to get even more interesting from here because i reckon that

00:57:26.060 i've got to the level of rep in my in my game now uh that i can um i can get a connect for cocoa leaves

00:57:33.420 so yeah so i i think i'm on the up and up now if if you're worried about me you know freely

00:57:39.500 admitting this on a podcast i would say um don't worry don't worry because i'm in the uk

00:57:47.260 and the the police in this country do not care about actual crime in the uk what they care about

00:57:53.340 is something called um non-crimes you see there's non non-crime hate incidents that's their favorite

00:57:59.020 back in business yeah so if so if you're just selling a little bit of weed the odd you know the

00:58:04.220 odd baggie of meth they're not going to give you any problems if you go on if you go on bloody

00:58:08.940 facebook and you say something that keir starmer doesn't agree with that might make a normie not

00:58:16.780 vote for a mainstream party oh you're definitely going to jail but your feet won't touch the ground

00:58:23.580 you will be treated to a display of efficiency in policing and judicial system that you that you

00:58:29.180 would swear that elon musk had designed the whole system yeah the police have certainly become

00:58:34.780 much much more political these days yes it was all non-crimes again for speech and stuff in fact

00:58:41.420 i was in a few months back now but i was in um i was in swindon macky d's and this um um this little

00:58:48.460 hoodlum starts asking me if i've got five pounds for him or something why didn't you have your own

00:58:53.420 money it's like i just got out of jail it's like oh what do you do i didn't do nothing i was in for six

00:58:58.140 years and i instantly knew that he was lying because in this country it's three years for not

00:59:03.180 doing nothing so he must have done something otherwise he wouldn't have got six years so

00:59:07.500 anyway maybe he did nothing twice could be yeah it could be yeah yeah maybe maybe he he said something

00:59:13.900 incorrect um twice yeah so anyway it never happened many times be gone you little ne'er-do-well um so

00:59:20.300 anyway oh and and and the second reason um that you don't need to worry about me uh is because i'm

00:59:25.180 i'm actually primarily talking about my time my time on schedule one uh which is a um overwhelmingly

00:59:31.420 positive this is this is this is the steam game of the moment you see where you're you're basically

00:59:36.940 well what does it say this is from small time dope pusher to kingpin manufacture and distribute a range

00:59:41.900 of drugs uh throughout the the city of highland point expand your empire properties businesses

00:59:46.780 employees it's excellent game i've seen people playing this yes i got this uh idea from worth a buy

00:59:51.980 which is the only decent i watched that as well yeah he's the only decent games reviewer on the on

00:59:57.500 the youtube as far as there are a few but he's one of the other one um yeah so um there we go

01:00:04.140 there's my meth lab um could do tidying up i need a cleaner or something like that all those tin

01:00:09.340 cans on the floor down it's like your desk yes those coke cans yes i thought so no i think that

01:00:14.460 i think there's phosphorus the red ones um so you're not drinking that are you it's terrible for

01:00:18.380 you no no it wouldn't be ideas is a phosphorus i don't know

01:00:21.980 i think there's there is a small amount of phosphorus in the food we eat some of the cool

01:00:26.540 things that you can do in this game is that um you know you can buy extra properties you know the

01:00:31.500 the aforementioned bungalow um and you can um you know you can buy a bit of bling um you know you

01:00:38.140 can get clothes you can get you can get haircuts um you know there's there's the place you can get a

01:00:43.340 hair shot a haircut it's uh but they call it a barber shop is that you as the joker there that's my

01:00:50.700 character yeah now i've got to say this was the bit that sort of because the whole look like you

01:00:58.620 need a few more trips to mcdonald's there dan blimey you're wasting away just a breeze breeze would blow

01:01:04.860 me away wouldn't it right but anyway this this bit took me out of it because the whole reason you play

01:01:09.180 games is a bit of escapism but you like you like to immerse yourself in it so when i saw a barber shop

01:01:14.860 i was like no that's not right they're supposed to be called turkish barbers

01:01:21.420 is that a place where you can go and offload product by any chance because it in swindon

01:01:27.420 actually there was one shut down they were running uh drugs out of it 150 000 uh pounds worth of drugs

01:01:34.860 were being run out of just one swindon barbers why are you dressed like the joker i don't think that's

01:01:40.700 the point is the point is i was i was absorbed until i saw that um because i just thought because

01:01:46.620 i'm so used to these things being called turkish barber that i just i was you know just well they

01:01:50.780 don't need any laundering because look next to them yeah well yes yes it flipped me right out of it

01:01:56.300 anyway back to the game so in the game you soon get yourself into a cash problem um and what you need

01:02:02.300 to do is you need to launder money so what you do is you buy a legitimate business um to launder your

01:02:07.740 cash through so in the game i bought um a a literal laundry in fact it's in the picture there

01:02:13.420 and a car wash um you know close close to the barbers following breaking bad there yes yes and

01:02:19.820 actually while we're on the subject of um turkish barbers has anyone noticed that they're never

01:02:25.340 actually turkish no they're they're very rarely turkish and it's sort of like how uh chinese food or

01:02:32.780 indian food is is actually quite often run by people from adjacent cultures like it could be

01:02:40.060 bengali or pakistani but they'll call themselves an indian takeaway because it's got better marketing

01:02:46.780 if they could get away with that you you'd want you'd want them to be at least a little bit asian

01:02:49.980 wouldn't you well do you i've been to a chinese restaurant sour from the pakistani i've been to

01:02:55.820 a chinese restaurant where it was englishmen staffing it which was weird i was just like this this is the

01:03:01.020 one place i didn't expect you to be but here we are well yeah but but nobody i mean it is true

01:03:06.620 if you've ever been into one of these and you greet them with a hearty meriba they don't know what the

01:03:10.460 hell you're talking about because they're not turks you know they're from my experience they're usually

01:03:15.500 albanian from from what i've seen which and and that got me herds around swindon oh okay okay but but

01:03:22.860 that that you see that that got me as well because the other day i saw this stat you see and this stat

01:03:27.820 is talking about highest arrest rates by nationality so the albanians are 32 times

01:03:33.580 overrepresented by their population in the uk which is very significant so albanians afghans

01:03:41.020 iraqis and algerians they're all the sort of people that seem to be staffing all of these

01:03:45.740 turkish barbershops so that that doesn't make any sense to me because how can these people possibly

01:03:50.700 be committing all of their crime all of these crimes right when they spend all day in a turkish

01:03:55.500 barbershop they can't be doing both they're just hustlers they're cutting hair by day crime by

01:04:00.700 night well i don't know because they take a dark turn as soon as the sun goes down they're just

01:04:05.420 like there's crime takes over they all seem to be there and i just don't i just don't get how they

01:04:10.940 they find the time for any crime if they're you know all day every day in those there's also the

01:04:15.020 fact that perhaps yes any of the people committing the crime to been brought here illegally by the

01:04:19.820 albanian people traffickers well there's that yes anyway back to the game another thing that you can do

01:04:24.700 in the game is is when you start making a bit of money you can buy yourself a fancy motor

01:04:29.260 you know a nice nice fancy motor um speaking of which has anyone noticed how outside the

01:04:35.900 turkish barbershops there are always like three or four high-end german autos always yes yes because

01:04:44.300 i mean there's a place in town that i like to go and get my lunch and i have to walk past about

01:04:48.380 four turkish barbershops and that they all have they all have like three or four

01:04:54.700 premium german autos outside and they're all quite new reg as well so they're probably but

01:05:00.460 they're probably higher purchase well they've got a good corner on the market you see hair

01:05:05.180 it grows yes and you've got to continually get a haircut it's not like something that you can get

01:05:10.460 this service once and it comes back so you see what they've done is that they've just hustled their

01:05:15.180 way to getting very premium cars i'm obviously being sarcastic here if you haven't got it the

01:05:22.140 one person in the audience there's always someone no no no no no i think i think i think i think i

01:05:25.980 think you're right josh you're right josh on this because i thought it's it's been throwing me off

01:05:30.060 because because i'm a bit weird because i've got my background that i do used to be a vc and stuff i

01:05:34.780 can't help myself when i go into a business but sit there and try and reconstruct the pnl in my mind so

01:05:39.020 if you put me in a restaurant you know i'll sit there i'll take a look at the menu have a gander at what i think

01:05:42.780 the average order value is how many covers have they got what's the flow you know a little bit

01:05:48.140 of dynamic of the usual occupancy rate across the day um have a quick look at their staff costs what

01:05:53.740 i think the rent is and i try and reconstruct the pnl in my mind i i just naturally do that as an

01:05:58.220 instinct i normally get about about right as well the one time i got the only time i got it seriously

01:06:02.620 wrong was um in a london venue it was a big um i think it was a big weather spoons right on the

01:06:09.020 a prime absolute prime street i think it was pretty much opposite the ritz or something this

01:06:13.820 this big pub and my number was coming out a bit rich and i had a word with the um with a manager

01:06:19.260 and he and he said oh yeah it's um it's the rent we we pay i think 60 grand a week in rent blimey

01:06:26.460 which is which is a bit steep wouldn't mind owning that property well yeah it's almost like it's almost

01:06:31.020 like that um because then i just had to revise down my estimate of what the staff were getting paid

01:06:36.860 it's almost like there's no point moving to london because your wages guess just get arbitraged

01:06:40.860 away by boomer landlords almost certainly yes unless you're rich there's no point living there

01:06:45.820 yes but but but this is the thing that throws me off about these turkish barbers you see because

01:06:49.820 you know i wander past them and i i see that they got they got four nice um german autos outside

01:06:57.180 the you know higher purchase on them has got to be something like 900 quid a quid a month

01:07:00.860 uh because they're all quite new they're all quite high-end so so uh that's uh what is it that's

01:07:05.980 3600 um a month that this place has got to cover then you've got to add on your rent let's say 6k a

01:07:14.460 month something like that you've got to add on your business rates 500 quid generously we call it that

01:07:18.540 um you've got to add on utilities that'll probably be another grand um and then you've got to assume

01:07:23.660 that their car payments are not more than about a quarter of their total spend and in their private

01:07:27.980 lives because they're going to have well they're going to need to eat um um they're going to need

01:07:32.060 to well they've probably got kids as well they've all got kids from from what i can tell because

01:07:35.820 they turn up at the barbers every so often so you know multiply that car payment up by four uh that's

01:07:42.060 14.4 so what we've got in total we've got just shy of 22 grand but this place needs to clear every

01:07:47.580 month okay so then let's reverse engineer the profit side of this so so they're charging 11 quid for a

01:07:52.300 haircut let's assume marginal cost of a quid per haircut for you know the gels and the

01:07:58.380 you know whatever else that goes along with it so so we're clearing 10 quid a haircut

01:08:02.540 um 25 working days in a month because you know um they're not open sunday but they're open the rest

01:08:08.060 of the days let's assume i because well i don't even need to assume because i walk past so many of

01:08:13.580 these every day i can always see what's going on inside there's never any customers i think very rare

01:08:20.300 isn't it i think they do about six haircuts a day legitimately because i walk past them all the

01:08:24.460 time and they're always well i i say occasionally you'll see someone in there won't you but it's rare

01:08:30.860 there are a few of them that do get customers right but i still think that they're their money

01:08:36.860 laundering fronts a lot of the time if if they've got more than one or two barbers in the shop they're

01:08:42.540 probably more likely to cut a lot of hair um because they wouldn't have them there otherwise

01:08:47.580 would they well my thinking was you know i i reckon they do about six haircuts a day but let's say i'm

01:08:52.700 i'm wrong by half and it's a dozen and let's just say oh okay i'm i'm wrong by a factor of three on

01:08:57.580 top of that so so let's assume they're doing 36 haircuts a day 20 minutes per haircut they're open

01:09:03.980 eight hours a day that means 12 hours of cutting um for those 36 haircuts that mean every time you

01:09:09.340 look through the window there should be one and a half seat filled at any time so they should always

01:09:13.900 between be between one and two seats filled at any time and i do not see that so but let's assume

01:09:18.220 they do 36 cuts a day clearing 10 pounds a cut um 25 uh working days in a month and that's that

01:09:25.020 they're netting nine grand i just told you that their costs have got can't be any less than about 22

01:09:29.900 grand so so that leaves me a bit embarrassed because i'm supposed to be the i'm supposed to be

01:09:35.260 the economics guy um lotus eaters and i can't figure out how they're making their money

01:09:38.940 maybe with the these new turkish methods of cutting hair they've shaved down the time see

01:09:48.220 what i did there um of how much a haircut is because sometimes even with my um haircut which

01:09:54.860 is not one of the the standard ones yes uh they can have me in and out in 10 minutes 15 minutes

01:10:01.260 possible maybe it's there anyway uh we sidetracked enough talking about turkish bubbles back to the

01:10:06.380 game anyway so in the game um you earn a lot of money from drugs and you need to launder that

01:10:11.660 through legitimate businesses right okay so um how do you launder money i i managed to find an

01:10:16.940 explainer on the interweb as as to how you launder money it looks like uh they've been paid off to

01:10:24.940 hide that have we lost our internet oh okay hang on how strange here we go here we go here we go

01:10:32.300 right so um this is if if i can make it work so this is just some random article i found that has an

01:10:42.460 explainer on on how money laundering is done um so let's go down to that bit all right

01:10:52.940 god i hate oh it's just unresponsive

01:10:55.820 what this is like an advert for not using the daily mail isn't it right okay work damn you

01:11:03.820 britain is scroll down samson scroll down according to the daily mail britain is moving towards france

01:11:09.740 oh okay well anyway there's an there's an explainer at the bottom of this about how money laundering is

01:11:14.460 done but um i i'll i'll give it to you instead so so basically um you get your money from your criminal

01:11:20.780 activity and then you put it into a legitimate business and you mix in with their meager amounts

01:11:25.820 of earnings um and then you pay it into the bank and then you can do whatever you want to do with

01:11:30.300 it like it's actually better if you don't have real customers because that way you can launder more money

01:11:36.300 yes so dan i'm a barber let's say yeah or i'm a i have a restaurant no one comes in or very few people

01:11:45.900 come in and i have a hundred pounds pouring on a daily basis so i have all the money from the extra

01:11:53.260 activity and i make tag and i file my tax reports saying that rather than a hundred a day i have ten

01:12:00.620 thousand per day yes and get taxed and suddenly i can use the the remainder yes okay thanks yeah you

01:12:08.140 have to pay tax on it but but yeah you know at least it's in the system and you can buy legitimate

01:12:12.460 stuff with it taxation is theft drug dealers you're more upset about you're more upset about the

01:12:18.700 taxing aren't you rather than the rather than the uh anything else well yes i mean they're providing

01:12:26.460 an essential certain now i'm joking of course yeah well while i'm on this side tangent um the

01:12:34.300 this this tweet i felt was relevant um i only typed turkish barbers near me

01:12:38.940 um that that does seem to to chime with with our experience doesn't it i've also seen that same

01:12:47.340 image be used for pubs near me as well which is a lot more wholesome and heartening i also

01:12:53.740 quite it's believable i also quite like this this tweet here from um one of our 10 turkish barber

01:12:59.500 shops has been raised on charges of money laundering and dealing cocaine i've been a loyal customer for

01:13:03.740 three years and i had absolutely no idea they were barbers there is that um anyway so um sorry i've

01:13:11.100 got i've got sidetracked i was i was i was trying to tell you about my drug industry and my money

01:13:16.220 laundering and we keep getting sidetracked weirdly onto turkish barbers sorry which is just um we're

01:13:23.420 all over the place uh ladies i just really really need a haircut that's all yes um anyway so um

01:13:30.140 um i do like to notice things you see i notice things um which which does get me into a lot of

01:13:36.700 trouble but i do notice things i mean i notice all sorts of things so for example this morning

01:13:41.660 um when i was walking through swindon i noticed that election posters are going up for example

01:13:47.020 um uh for the romanian presidential election ah yes very important yes and these posters are going up in

01:13:55.180 in swindon because obviously if you want to reach um the roman romanian electorate well swindon is is

01:14:01.740 the natural place to put your posters up anyway so that's just an example of the sort of noticing

01:14:06.300 i'll give you another example of the things i notice um back back when i am back where i am

01:14:13.980 a sweet shop opened about five years ago it's actually quite a good sweet shop because it's near

01:14:18.300 the cinema so when i so for example i took the kids to watch minecraft and we popped into this

01:14:23.260 sweet shop and they got some sweets and stuff like that and the little one went through her entire

01:14:26.700 bag i didn't notice and then she was a bit sick afterwards and all the rest of it but it's a nice

01:14:30.060 little sweet shop anyway it's that's been open for five years and about two years ago and even though

01:14:35.420 i use it during the day when when i do happen to take the kids to the seminar um a couple of years

01:14:39.580 ago me and the wife um went to the pizza express which is nearby it and it just so happens to overlook

01:14:44.780 it because the pizza express is up one level and it looks down over the road the sweet shop is in

01:14:49.260 and we went there and and i did say to the can we have the table over there because i wanted to sit

01:14:53.580 and watch anyway so the wife was prattling on about whatever it is that women talk about and i was kind

01:14:59.180 of sat there keeping an eye on the sweet shop because it must have been about eight o'clock at night

01:15:04.220 now you would you would think right that the the kiddies um would not be buying sweets at that hour of

01:15:09.900 the day and they were not buying sweets at that hour of the day so i just sat there and watched it and

01:15:13.740 what i was watching is a constant cavalcade of young men with a slightly dusky complexion

01:15:21.420 would turn up outside the sweet shop um in a in a premium german auto and then they go inside and

01:15:29.580 i could see it quite clearly from where i was because i had the best vantage point from this

01:15:33.340 particular table that i requested and so basically um they would go in and this and the staff change

01:15:39.500 over you see so during the day when the kiddies come in they got a couple of bored english teenage

01:15:44.300 girls who do it and then about six o'clock or something they switch over to a different set of

01:15:49.900 staff who man it in the evening and these staff i tell you they are brilliant they are they are they

01:15:55.420 are absolute mind readers because what would happen is these men would walk through the door

01:16:00.300 and they would reach under the counter and take out a large sweet bag and without even asking these

01:16:05.740 guys what they wanted they just they could just look at him and know they'd hand him the bag and

01:16:09.660 then he'd turn around and walk out again and and there was a constant flow of this and not only that

01:16:15.580 right not only that is that their sweets are so good that i actually saw by because we're there for a

01:16:20.620 while we were there for a good 45 minutes or so i was starting to see the guys who i'd seen go in

01:16:25.820 at the beginning were then coming back again having finished all this they've got a really sweet tooth

01:16:30.460 yes they were coming back and they were being handed another bag from under the counter

01:16:34.460 they're gonna get fat doing that well someone should tell them exactly and that's just some

01:16:39.580 some of the weird things that i notice you see because um and and and of course um you know

01:16:44.380 i'm just a you know a financier i'm i'm just a podcaster so you know obviously i just look at

01:16:50.300 this and i just think well you know good stuff good sweets nothing suspicious going on here it's

01:16:57.020 not like i'm a police constable or anything it's not like i'm a detective because if i was i might look

01:17:02.300 at that and think there was something a teeny tiny bit suspicious going on

01:17:08.140 i could see how you think in plain sight for years you've never of an evening got a real hankering for

01:17:15.100 something sweet maybe you've had your dinner a little bit of time has passed you've started

01:17:19.180 digesting it and you think i fancy a sugary treat you've never got that feeling and maybe even so strongly

01:17:25.980 go back again i'll just go to the cupboard you've got nothing there you've got the need for fresh

01:17:31.340 sweets fresh off the shelves right i mean it must be very moorish it must be that you might say and

01:17:38.700 they're obviously attracting the right clientele because i tell you that the motors these young

01:17:42.460 gentlemen were driving were premium german autos they really were they really were anyway so anyway

01:17:48.220 um well we we're now like 20 minutes into my segment and i haven't actually done a segment yet

01:17:53.660 all i've done is waffled about a video game that i'm playing and things that i've noticed so i ought to

01:18:00.140 i ought to try and dig up a segment so let's go on to um let's go on to trending news shall we and see

01:18:06.540 if i can find something that's uh topical at the moment um um what's what's this let's go to let's go to

01:18:14.700 the top of this so trending news stories uh this weekend uh what's this one this is i don't know why

01:18:22.860 it started at the bottom it's very dramatic yes we're gonna we're gonna find out what is will the

01:18:28.540 daily mail actually work this time yes uh stay tuned and find out good so what's this um oh here

01:18:35.500 we go so the trending the trending news story from this weekend is police raid barbershops

01:18:41.020 the moment police raid barbershops as part of a nationwide crackdown on criminal gangs hiding in

01:18:46.620 plain sight using hairdressers sweet shops and car washes no way good lord i did wonder why my

01:18:55.100 sweets were so moorish i've been i've been eating a bag a day look at it they've been very awake um

01:19:00.940 right um hundreds of american themed sweet shops hairdressers and car washes have been raided as part

01:19:06.860 of a mammoth operation on suspected money laundering rackets spearheaded by the britain's fbi the national

01:19:13.260 crime agency officers from 19 police forces in england hit 265 premises which investigators

01:19:21.180 believe are being used by criminals to hide dirty cash no way i never would have thought this

01:19:30.860 the only thing that i'm a bit surprised about there is the number 265 i mean is is that in is that just

01:19:35.660 in south wiltshire or no oh no they said they said nationwide hmm it's not quite enough is it that's

01:19:41.980 like one percent maybe optimistically that might be that might be one percent um well they don't have

01:19:51.820 the capacity to to deal with it all i mean they keep on popping up it's like um whack-a-mole isn't it

01:19:57.660 i mean if i was being super cynical you know you could just say why don't you just raid all of them

01:20:02.140 i have no objection to that why not close them all down well why not find the people that run them

01:20:08.300 you have you have to assume that you're taking their assets of these barbershops and vape shops

01:20:13.180 and sweet shops are legitimate so you could just say okay if we if we raid you and you're legit

01:20:19.260 we give you like 20 grand cash compensation now at first glance you might think well that's going to

01:20:25.740 cost a lot of money i can guarantee you if you raid every vape shop barbershop and sweet shop in the

01:20:30.780 country um free cash flow is not going to be a problem okay i have a scenario for a good movie

01:20:36.940 right go on then we have corrupt cup yeah who raids with his cup buddies and caplasses

01:20:45.260 uh a corrupt shop yes and they say okay it's it's legit and they give them also the the 20 20k yes and

01:20:53.660 they also do money laundering and they get oh clever twist clever twist yes yeah yeah you've got to be

01:20:58.540 i also have a business proposal for you yes what about if we can we can we refuse it um you can if

01:21:06.060 you want the business i'm not the godfather here okay so how about we go into every one of these shops

01:21:12.620 around the country we arrest the people running them for money laundering and selling drugs we take

01:21:18.860 all their assets and send them home empty-handed not only but actually deport them afterwards as well

01:21:25.660 yes and and think of all the money that could make think of how it could finance the entire

01:21:31.100 operation and perhaps it would become self-sustaining afterwards doesn't it it would yeah it would

01:21:35.740 actually make us money if we just started cracking down on these people it's sort of you know capacity

01:21:42.300 is not really an excuse if you can make money doing something because you can expand it i gotta tell you

01:21:47.500 this really shocks me because you know uh who could have possibly possibly seen any of this coming

01:21:55.500 because i mean this this has taken um you know um commentariat by by shock this weekend to discover

01:22:02.940 that there are sweet shops and barber shops and vape shops that are being used for money laundering

01:22:06.860 and everyone was was absolute gobsmacked to hear this i mean would it like at least need about a year

01:22:13.420 and a half's notice perhaps yes if if only there was people who had mentioned this sort of stuff

01:22:20.060 now there was a podcast i don't know who these chaps are um probably awful racist but the these

01:22:24.940 these chaps 18 months ago um were kind of making this exact point this exact point um and at the time

01:22:33.340 they they got attacked by you know sensible leftists who who were just saying no no no no no

01:22:37.980 there's no problem at turkish barber shops don't be don't don't be so simple it's it's it's a very

01:22:43.340 simple answer low energy costs low capital costs labor intensive work plus turks they're not turks

01:22:48.860 um will happily work 80 hours a week source i've lived around these people since i can remember

01:22:55.260 stelios you're an impartial source as a greek man did turks work that hard no comment

01:23:00.860 but that dan knows better so dan knows better so aaron is um obviously being very sensible at the

01:23:13.580 time squashing any notion of this having happened um and yet weirdly these chaps whoever the hell they

01:23:20.620 are they got it right 18 months ago strange looking chaps aren't they yes and and i mean i mean and it

01:23:27.180 and it is causing shock waves across the the sensible commentariat because um um like christy

01:23:34.140 also i mean somebody said to her did you think that every town however small and even small villages

01:23:39.260 have at least four turkish barbers did you think men's hair was suddenly sprouting at an alarming rate

01:23:45.020 and she said i genuinely thought the modern fashion of very short kids hair often with extra design

01:23:50.780 elements was the reason for the increased number of barber shops i would say that that's retardation

01:23:56.700 retardation retardation retardation well i mean to you stelios she used to have a show called

01:24:03.660 location location location

01:24:07.740 i i i hope you haven't seen it well well kirstie all slop um represents you know what was the

01:24:14.940 majority opinion in this country for the last 18 months ever since that awful racist podcast

01:24:21.180 started making a bit of a fuss about this funny thing is i've actually spoke to some police officers

01:24:25.340 about this just in passing and they were well aware of this going on and they are saying that

01:24:31.340 they're just struggling to keep up with how many there are that was the reason that well i mean i

01:24:37.020 can imagine that they're struggling because of course they're decades because because i was you know my

01:24:41.260 sweet shop story about when i sat there in the pizza express watching this place it i did wonder to

01:24:45.740 myself what would happen if a police officer was sat whereas i sat and could see the bleeding obvious

01:24:52.780 right in front of him and then i thought actually no no because what would happen is he would spend the

01:24:57.900 entire time on his phone going through facebook to see if anybody had said anything uh that might cause

01:25:03.500 a normie not to vote for the mainstream parties in fact people pointing out these these shops existed

01:25:08.940 might even be what if they did it on facebook yeah yeah he he would be like okay that guy's getting

01:25:13.580 arrested tomorrow anyway so i don't have to worry about any of these things because i'm playing um

01:25:18.620 um yeah let's go back to it i'm i'm playing schedule one which is the hot new game on um steam about um

01:25:25.260 being a drug dealer um and if i was a drug dealer and i had loads of bling do you know what i would spend

01:25:30.380 it on the merch shop um our merch shop there you go you can buy a you can buy a mug or magazine or

01:25:36.700 something you don't launder money but you get a cool t-shirt no we don't we don't launder money

01:25:39.820 but we do make good t-shirts all right we've got one rumble rant from scan lines maybe next time

01:25:46.860 you should get a turkish barber on to give the other side and we can all understand what's happening

01:25:51.980 better that was well worth the dollar yes thank you for that it was money well spent how did you earn

01:26:00.620 the money though oh do we we've got some written comments we got some general comments yes economic

01:26:07.980 zone 17 flawless intro lads um yeah um josh callum never got the date wrong peace be upon him i know

01:26:14.860 that's because he never said it he didn't believe in the date and now look what's happened to him

01:26:19.740 dates didn't exist i sort of think that we've been doing the podcast for so long we've done i've done

01:26:26.140 countless flawless intros that i'm more interested in in exploring the flawed ones they're more

01:26:31.420 interesting to me now you see you know you've got to just let me host i'll just make something

01:26:37.660 definitely i'll mess it up you are doing this in your second language i mean if i had it it's

01:26:44.380 impressive all right give yourself some credit stellios the rooster man says josh um oh no i just

01:26:49.500 read that one idiot um captain charlie the beagle just got my copy of island of free in the post today

01:26:53.980 and i must say it looks amazing i'm highly impressed with the quality it almost makes

01:26:57.740 me regret not and get not getting issue one and two well you should feel very bad about that but

01:27:02.940 i'm glad you're enjoying issue number three you missed out on my poem in islander 2 forever i

01:27:08.780 put a little bit of my heart and soul into that one um edmund dante says don't get to catch ellie

01:27:15.180 live very often so i'll comment whilst i have the time on my honeymoon dan don't worry about uh

01:27:20.060 sharting yourself after a heavy night out if you've ever woken up on a random street in the

01:27:24.060 wrong city with sword underwear you've never lived wise words wise words so for my segment omar awad

01:27:30.540 says the government loves plausible deniability they don't need to force or even encourage bad

01:27:34.940 behavior just choose not to act on anything that might be beneficial to their end goal that's very

01:27:40.060 true and uh i'll do one more um before moving on to that um thomas howell says josh i'm just asking

01:27:47.100 questions okay that's quite a short one lord inquisitor hector x says i've met mental patients

01:27:51.740 that makes more sense than that political manifesto all right so john v says uh good morning or afternoon

01:27:59.500 dan stelius and josh good morning and afternoon i still need to watch uh this infamous debate between

01:28:06.380 murray and smith but it was interesting how i saw people who respect have completely opposite opinions

01:28:11.420 about it that's nice and that's also why we're here i don't think we had completely opposite

01:28:17.020 opinions no but there's some overlap here you know i i i marketed it more in more combative way today

01:28:24.140 in the office just to get you around you made it sound like we're we're gonna go at it yeah and uh

01:28:30.220 that argumentative way that uh texas gal love brother stelios love texas gal uh could not care less

01:28:38.220 about that debate lol and lord the inquisitor hector rex thank you guys should have a round

01:28:42.700 table discussion about the debate too much nuance needed for one segment i completely agree i had

01:28:48.460 basically i didn't show two-thirds of my links that's true yeah because we're too busy butting

01:28:55.020 in sabotaging your segment there was a good there was an argument to be had we can't we can't let a

01:28:58.940 segment break out in the middle yeah what are we here for right um am i my ones am i i believe so

01:29:05.820 i can read them if you wish uh supreme general david fruiga fringa fringy says welcome to the

01:29:14.140 pothead of the lotus eaters very good yeah uh george hamp says let dan cook we need a uh we need

01:29:19.900 local competition for the foreign drug dealers yeah i think the best solution to driving away the

01:29:25.020 foreign drug dealers is you get very competent englishmen to do it think of the purities think of

01:29:30.220 the the benefits for their financial situation actually you can disrupt the the drugs trade

01:29:35.980 quite effectively of course there are lots you just go in there and get a haircut

01:29:40.940 completely disrupt their day the funny thing is because i live in swindon um where this podcast is

01:29:46.860 based i actually go into the turkish barbers i have no choice i only found out there is a portuguese

01:29:54.780 one on the bit i found an english one and that's where i got my last haircut okay if you're thinking

01:29:59.900 it's looking particularly good uh this is uh english haircut but that's the first one i've got in the

01:30:05.420 entire time i've been here there was a guy who said i found the portuguese place within about a week

01:30:10.380 there was a guy that i went to a barber's that carl suggested uh when i first moved here and he was

01:30:16.300 telling me that he'd been living in iraq around the time that isis were there and then he moved

01:30:24.780 and that makes me think hang on callum had the same thing as well uh it makes me think hang on a

01:30:29.660 minute if if you were out there and you moved when they went away that means you're isis right

01:30:39.740 i had so he had a straight razor to my neck and i don't think i've ever sweated so much probably not

01:30:45.100 having a haircut at that point no um what have you got um tom's house says dan you son of a

01:30:51.740 bitch i've been trying to put off buying schedule one and now i pretty much have to yes just just

01:30:56.140 do it it's it's early access but it's all right omar ward says as much as i'm sure the government

01:31:00.860 would love to put an end to criminal money laundering by deporting foreign criminals

01:31:04.460 it would probably have a significant impact on money laundering from importing criminals uh yes

01:31:10.220 clever point yes that's good that's a good comment uh and somebody online says uh why would you have

01:31:15.420 to buy a whole business to launder the money just say that you've been doing freelance work as a

01:31:20.380 furry fetish artist those guys are loaded i what are you talking about i've heard about this online

01:31:27.660 they get paid an extortionate amount of money to make weird degenerate pornography for people as

01:31:32.300 and they draw it out they draw out the the fetish for them but they get paid like thousands per

01:31:38.620 commission why don't they just use ai well there's going to be a lot of degenerates out of a job

01:31:44.620 although i imagine that ai has content guidelines i mean well how degenerate are we talking as in

01:31:53.180 it's degenerate actually no i don't well no hang on i i i think i i withdraw my question

01:32:00.060 uh michael brooke says dan as a former head chef i do this whenever sitting in any venue my dad was a

01:32:04.860 former banker and always used to work out things like this out loud it's simple the drug uh the the

01:32:10.380 drug and people trafficking money must be washed so yeah i'm glad it's not only me who can't make

01:32:15.020 these businesses add up in their head he's like they just they don't they don't add up at all to

01:32:19.980 be fair we know it's not going to be the indian food shops because it involves washing that was

01:32:26.060 really low hanging fruit i'm sorry i'm better than that normally yes it's just that there are a lot of

01:32:31.180 indian food shops in swindon that are very unhygienic a few of them enclosed down for rats and things like

01:32:36.300 that where they've gnawed through the food and actually eaten it and there are rat droppings in

01:32:39.900 the food so it's topical yeah and on that lovely note hope you aren't eating it's time to end the

01:32:46.060 show um thank you very much for watching same time again tomorrow bye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - April 15, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1143

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