The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1150

00:00:00.000 good afternoon and welcome to the podcast lotus eaters episode 1150 i'm your host harry joined

00:00:14.780 today by carl hello and beau and we're going to be talking about india and pakistan potentially

00:00:21.400 going to war we're going to be talking about uh the current ukrainian situation i believe

00:00:26.800 donald trump blaming it all on zelinski that should be interesting and i'm going to talk about

00:00:31.240 the foreign crime league tables that labor is going to be gifting to us really so that should

00:00:37.700 be a nice one base labor strikes again imagine how much content we're going to get out of those

00:00:41.960 oh it'll be great it'll be great but there are questions to answer for why they're doing this

00:00:47.180 and i think it always as it always does points back to tony blair's digital id but outside of that we do

00:00:54.380 have common sense crusade this afternoon so if you've got a subscription to the website which

00:00:58.760 you absolutely should then you should tune into that and support calvin anything else gentlemen

00:01:04.180 no i think that's about it all right and with that let's get into the news so it looks like there's

00:01:08.340 a conflict once again brewing between two peoples we have to talk about constantly because this will

00:01:14.440 have ramifications in england and basically this is a succinct and accurate summary of it

00:01:20.880 um two types of people who are basically identical other than an opinion that differs uh that draws a

00:01:28.440 border between them are now angry with one another and i mean that really is just exactly what's

00:01:33.840 happening so this begins with um well it would begin if i could change the thing uh this begins

00:01:39.920 with a that doesn't work okay uh a terror attack in cashmere in the indian controlled section of it

00:01:47.780 because for anyone who doesn't know cashmere has been since the india pakistan partition it's been

00:01:52.300 a long contested region of the area both india and pakistan claim the whole of it but they have

00:01:58.640 instead divided it down the middle and this has led to lots of uh islamic terror attacks in the indian

00:02:06.200 side because apparently the one one of these groups of people just can't just leave well alone

00:02:12.840 um 26 people have been killed and many other injured in the uh with the vast majority of them

00:02:19.340 being tourists in this uh region of cashmere uh and so indian security forces have gone to find the

00:02:27.080 uh perpetrators i as they may have been caught i couldn't find that they have actually been caught

00:02:32.460 so i think they're still on the run um and this took place in the falagam area which is

00:02:38.820 an absolutely gorgeous area why is this not working samson is your box working bow

00:02:43.460 um yeah do you want to use that one maybe it seems to be working all right um anyway so this

00:02:52.440 this uh this is from the uh falagam area and as you can see it is gorgeous absolutely gorgeous this

00:03:02.320 area like you just google falagam and you realize okay this is an area worth fighting over why do

00:03:09.740 they want to come here yeah right that's the question if you've got if you live in a place

00:03:14.920 no i i don't imagine we've actually got that many immigrants from this area yeah i suppose so um but

00:03:20.100 if you if you had a place like this around why would you move to england like i'd move there

00:03:25.860 you know what i mean but uh hey what do i know looks like switzerland right switzerland but

00:03:31.680 with nicer weather probably perhaps even nicer than switzerland yeah you don't even think of part of

00:03:36.300 of this uh part of asia as having landscapes like this i in my mind it's all just a gigantic desert

00:03:41.820 yeah right and then you see this and you're like oh okay i've got the complete wrong image of this

00:03:46.520 i mean a lot of it is a gigantic desert but just not this bit um but yeah it's absolutely incredible

00:03:51.900 uh landscapes and so uh you can see why they want it but uh anyway uh modi uh didn't take this

00:03:59.420 lying down and has said quote india will identify track and punish every terrorist their handlers

00:04:03.940 and their backers we will pursue them to the ends of the earth india's spirit will never be broken by

00:04:08.160 terrorism so that's something uh anyway so um financial times here have got a good write-up on

00:04:15.540 why this is happening because there is a new militant group there have been lots of militant groups in

00:04:21.980 the past that want an entirely pakistani cashmere area probably from the other side as well but i can only

00:04:28.480 actually find islamic terrorism there is terrorism occasionally from the other side yeah i i assumed

00:04:35.140 that there was they blow up trains quite often yeah well these ones have been like people uh so

00:04:40.580 this trains full of people oh right okay there's also the secret wild card of uh sikh separatist

00:04:45.880 yes uh but they don't appear to be a current player in this particular issue so a militant a new

00:04:53.420 militant group has claimed responsibility for this murder so 26 people were killed 17 people were

00:04:58.460 shot again mostly tourists uh this is a new group called the resistance force there's claimed

00:05:03.840 responsibility they're active in cashmere over the past four years and have claimed credit for

00:05:07.960 ambushing indian troops uh they've recorded their attacks on body cameras and uploaded social media

00:05:12.760 in the past with the objective of attacking indian occupation forces um so this is of course again just

00:05:20.360 part of a long series of back and forths as you say between hindu nationalists and islamic

00:05:26.000 radicals basically so wonderful uh it's worth noting that we're going to see a huge amount of

00:05:32.540 unrest caused by this if a war between india and pakistan breaks out probably i would suggest in

00:05:39.320 leicester before anywhere else like in 2022 where they had riots against each other over a cricket game

00:05:46.740 well that's what the mainstream media said it might may have been a spark for it but obviously it's

00:05:52.980 more than that yeah yeah yeah exactly let's not forget the displaced peoples who uh will they be

00:05:59.460 going to the east do you reckon it's hard to say uh hard to say but uh anyway so uh yeah this has

00:06:08.640 been going on for a long time and this is a good right but by the financial times if you're interested

00:06:12.100 uh basically uh modi has changed the dynamic of this because he's a lot more imperious in 2019 he

00:06:19.920 was re-elected and then he stripped the uh the region of its autonomous status uh and downgraded it

00:06:27.700 from a state to a federally controlled territory bringing directly under new delhi's rules so there

00:06:32.060 was various sort of treaties in place to give them sort of pseudo autonomy uh to keep the peace uh but

00:06:38.940 actually interestingly since modi's crackdown they tell us that there has actually been a lull in

00:06:43.880 the worst of the violence um and because of the gorgeous nature of cashmere uh this has been

00:06:49.580 drawing in lots and lots of domestic tourists uh grow so like 23 million people a year go to this

00:06:55.820 place for tourism right so you and again you can see why you're looking at it it's absolutely beautiful

00:07:01.580 why wouldn't you go on holiday there well i mean apart from the continue from the terrorists

00:07:05.640 continue your threat of tourism uh terrorism this isn't spain um anyway uh so yeah india has

00:07:15.240 responded uh severely and what's interesting about this is that india is treating pakistani terrorists

00:07:24.720 as agents of the pakistani state and so india is responding to this not in the way that a western

00:07:31.180 government would respond like right we're going to find those particular terrorists and that's it

00:07:35.600 naughty naughty uh no they're saying you're the problem pakistan and it's like right okay so

00:07:41.880 really this is being used as a castle's belly it seems uh i think that actually modi is looking at

00:07:50.040 more imperial ambitions here and well we'll get to whether he can do it or not the fact he said

00:07:56.220 handlers and backers yeah yeah it's like yeah you know i remember george bush after i never he said

00:08:02.940 we're going off the terrace and anyone who harbors them it's like oh so yeah everything's on the table

00:08:07.400 then yes he and i i don't doubt that there are absolutely connections between groups i would have

00:08:15.300 thought you know getting supplies arms money uh information uh from i mean remember who was harboring

00:08:21.780 bin laden you know so just saying i mean for anyone wondering uh jd vance keeps going oh britain

00:08:28.960 could be the world's first islamist nuclear armed state no that is pakistan pakistan has nuclear weapons

00:08:35.800 and is an insane islamist state it's genuinely bonkers i mean they regularly lynch people for

00:08:42.340 alleged burnings of qurans like and they've horrifically uh treat i mean there are every

00:08:48.340 year there are thousands of hindu and christian refugees from pakistan to india because they get

00:08:53.720 treated so terribly by the islamist population of pakistan uh it's just honestly it's a gross

00:09:00.560 gross situation but anyway so uh yeah india was like right pakistani diplomat get here now uh we are

00:09:07.720 downgrading our ties between islamabad and new delhi which have never been particularly good anyway

00:09:13.160 and we're kicking you out of the country you've got a week to just get out uh any defense advisors

00:09:19.380 uh in india from pakistan or anything like that uh diplomats have just been told get the hell out

00:09:24.980 um and the most important thing that india has done is uh suspend the indus water treaty now the

00:09:34.600 indus water treaty was signed in 1960 uh between uh pakistan and uh india to fairly divide the tributary

00:09:43.980 rivers uh that lead into the indus valley begin in tibet go through india and pakistan and or through

00:09:51.920 cashmere and then uh through pakistan so this is a real security concern for pakistan um and it was

00:09:58.560 fairly divided the ones the three tributaries on the west were annexed to pakistan the three on the

00:10:04.460 east were annexed to india can't ask fairer than that and for some reason and this and this is uh

00:10:08.940 this treaty has weathered wars between india and pakistan before uh and so the fact that modi has

00:10:15.100 just come out and gone no no that treaty's over now uh shows that he clearly thinks that uh something

00:10:21.960 can be accomplished here and this is a a real issue for the pakistanis there's i mean this is a genuine

00:10:28.900 like you know national threat because this is their their agricultural base is going to be heavily

00:10:35.200 effective because if india literally just annexes it and redirects the water because india needs the

00:10:41.280 water in various regions as well because there's a because of the rising populations of india and

00:10:45.400 pakistan they're running into water shortages and so india actually needs this uh and so this has

00:10:52.100 become a just a really really really sharp point in the relations between india and pakistan and so

00:10:59.700 india then of course closed the border so you're not coming in and they and this is the bit that

00:11:04.820 caught everyone's attention well like right uh basically the pakistanis have to get out of india

00:11:09.440 which is like right i mean this is a pretty strong response to a single terrorist attack no government

00:11:16.860 in the west would even consider this i mean has modi thought about don't look back in anger like have

00:11:22.700 we considered that actually you know we need to forgive and move on no uh they're actually uh approaching

00:11:29.700 this in a rather pagan way in fact and saying no we're going to find those people and we're going to

00:11:34.260 string them up and we're going to make sure that everyone involved the way yes it's completely

00:11:38.020 rational that's true uh but anyway so the the indians and the pakistanis or the indians were

00:11:44.540 uh extending a kind of visa to india called the saarc visa exemption scheme and this is part of a sort

00:11:53.420 of regional uh operational purpose for to i mean it's called the south asian association for regional

00:12:01.140 cooperation visa exemption scheme so afghanistan bangladesh bhutan india the maldives nepal pakistan

00:12:07.540 and sri lanka are all on this uh visa exemption scheme so basically if you're from one of these

00:12:12.860 countries you get this visa and you can travel easily to these countries kind of like the eu's um

00:12:17.740 schengen area yeah uh and so india has just said right that's been revoked for the pakistanis

00:12:25.700 if you're on this thing get out and so the question is well how many that is well i don't know

00:12:31.600 is the answer uh because weirdly they don't these these countries don't tend to keep amazing records

00:12:36.940 i've seen people saying that this is somewhere around 30 000 but the only thing i could really

00:12:42.020 find is just the wikipedia page saying well look there are 900 000 uh pakistanis in india

00:12:49.040 according to the 2011 census i've no idea but it could it's going to be at least tens of thousands

00:12:56.220 it could be hundreds of thousands of people who have just been ordered to leave uh and again that's

00:13:01.420 interesting isn't it it's just that's just something you can do then right you can just say

00:13:04.800 right so nationals of this country have committed a terror attack on our soil you now all just have

00:13:12.140 to leave and everyone's just like well i guess that's the way that india is going to deal with it

00:13:16.500 so oh so could we do that so collective punishment is okay yeah oh all right then i mean and the thing

00:13:23.540 is the pakistanis themselves wouldn't have a leg to stand on so of course they just deported like

00:13:28.160 there were like three afghan terror attacks in pakistan by afghan refugees and they deported what

00:13:35.440 was it two million something like that it was in the millions everyone of afghani origin in pakistan

00:13:42.320 is being deported back to afghanistan yes there were um whiners going on about human rights and such

00:13:48.820 but afghanistan decided decided what sorry pakistan decided that human rights aren't real bro

00:13:53.500 i tell you what is real this gun get out yeah that's basically india's position too

00:13:58.800 um because the these countries are a lot more concerned about their sense of collective self

00:14:04.900 right the the dignity of india the dignity of pakistan is also something that is being considered

00:14:10.460 when a terrorist attack happens on their soil and that is a collective uh concern and so if your

00:14:16.200 group does something to our group we will punish your group is how they think uh whether you think

00:14:21.220 that's justice or not is interesting and i'm sure we can have a nice long conversation about it

00:14:25.060 but i bet there are going to be far fewer pakistani terror attacks on indian soil afterwards

00:14:29.520 anyway uh actually caring about the future safety of your people yeah and the international standing as

00:14:36.560 well because of course all of these countries like to look at us being complete wet wipes and

00:14:40.880 pushovers with everything that we do in response to these kinds of attacks and they go great you can

00:14:45.860 take more of our criminals yeah that's that's exactly right that's exactly yeah whereas india has

00:14:52.080 decided we don't want your criminals actually get out yeah and we're not just going to let you

00:14:56.760 shoot people who are under the who are indian citizens which is not going to allow that

00:15:01.580 and there will be collective punishment for you if you do this okay well i mean anyway so india has

00:15:08.400 directly linked this of course to pakistan itself and so this was reported yesterday this happened

00:15:15.900 three days ago so this was reported yesterday now i don't know how exactly accurate this is but it is

00:15:22.920 the telegraph that's saying it so i'm just gonna go with what they're saying because i mean like with

00:15:27.240 all things when like there's a major international incident there's a fog of war you get different

00:15:32.220 conflicting reports but they said that india has cut off part of pakistan's water supply after shutting

00:15:37.740 down the border um and so i don't know i don't know what that means what that actually describes

00:15:43.040 so i don't know but new delhi has accused islamabad of supporting cross-border terrorism blaming its

00:15:50.540 militant for the neighbor for the militant attack that left 27 26 people dead so you can see how this

00:15:56.560 has escalated i mean when you know the manchester arena bomber where was he from again uh north

00:16:01.960 africa wasn't he yeah so it was like morocco or liby or something like that right i think it was

00:16:05.940 libya actually but yeah like so when he blew up 22 people in manchester arena we didn't go right

00:16:12.680 libya you're in trouble for some reason right well he was born here though actually i think he's

00:16:18.040 another case of the welsh choir boy the terrorists who committed this three people have been named two of

00:16:25.360 them they definitely know a pakistani they were probably born in cashmere so you know just saying

00:16:30.380 uh but the point is and it's you know okay the manchester arena bomb let's assume he was born

00:16:36.020 here there are still lots of others who are not born here who have committed terror attacks we don't

00:16:40.260 then go to their states and say right you're in trouble for this now i'm not saying that's a good

00:16:44.420 or bad thing in fact maybe we maybe we ought to be taking a leaf out of their book maybe that would

00:16:48.820 actually be something that pakistan but right okay we need to start cracking down on the terrorism

00:16:52.740 that our citizens do to indians right if there is actual like political ramifications for this

00:16:58.940 maybe that is the way to approach this maybe they will be like look guys you just have to knock this

00:17:03.760 off again for a lot of these countries it seems to be in the political calculus easier for them to let

00:17:09.500 all of their criminals come to western countries to sponge off of benefits rather than put them in

00:17:13.740 their own prisons certainly a lot cheaper damn right and they'll end up getting remittance as well

00:17:18.080 off the back of it absolutely and so i i honestly i find myself supporting india in this just like

00:17:25.620 yeah why why should you have to deal with this why should you and if the pakistani government is not

00:17:31.620 going to do something about the repeated terrorism that its own citizens conduct well then you're gonna

00:17:36.400 have to do something about the pakistani government aren't you you know i can see the logic uh anyway

00:17:41.160 so karl firmly falling on the india number one i am afraid i am on this uh you know like sorry you

00:17:48.440 don't just get to kill 26 people and then go well you know oopsie sorry nothing to do with us yeah

00:17:53.960 exactly i i guess that's just something that happens because you live near us it's like no

00:17:58.660 no something needs to be done you know and it's not like this is the first time you know this is a

00:18:03.920 long-running pattern of behavior so anyway i mean like this this is this water war is something that's

00:18:08.760 been talked about for many years now uh many years but here's just one article from 2022 uh pointing

00:18:14.420 out that uh on valentine's day in 2019 there was a suicide bombing in indian minister kashmir by a

00:18:19.980 pakistani militant this was known as the pulwama attack uh following the incident india tried to

00:18:26.080 suspend its the river treaty uh but for some reason failed they don't tell us why actually i didn't look

00:18:31.600 into it because i haven't got time um but uh pakistan uh accused india of deteriorating its

00:18:36.620 agricultural economy uh by violating the indus water treaty and so you can see that this has been

00:18:43.360 a very sensitive thing for pakistan for a very long time so you would think that pakistan would be like

00:18:48.280 we need to stop people from doing this right we need to just you know maybe a program of education

00:18:54.140 say that violence is wrong violence in the service of islam is wrong violence in the service of national

00:19:01.140 like kashmiri liberation is wrong and if you do that then the indians may actually steamroll over

00:19:08.300 our army which we'll get to in a minute because the indians are going to absolutely smash the pakistanis

00:19:12.960 if it comes to a war uh and they'll cut off our water and we'll all die so knock that off i don't

00:19:19.940 care what you've read in your book i don't care what like ridiculous claim you've got into your head

00:19:24.460 like oh god no no no no you just can't do this because otherwise things go south one small fly

00:19:30.200 in the ointment oh god well it's directly condoned in the hadiths isn't it and the quran

00:19:35.880 it's also that a bit of a tough sell carl also that pakistan is literally an islamic republic

00:19:41.260 and is insanely insanely islamic like pakistan is like this has been contested territory for

00:19:48.120 i mean since the partition it has they're not going to let go that easy no they're not and i mean

00:19:52.620 pakistan is way more islamic than most arab countries like really hardcore islamic like

00:19:58.980 whenever you see the women in the full abayas or whatever they're usually pakistani women

00:20:03.960 it's like most a lot of arabic countries have just banned that address right because they know

00:20:09.820 that terrorists use it to slip by the guards and stuff like this like this this stuff is considered

00:20:15.220 far too hard line for most arab countries yeah but i can't imagine if it does come out to uh all

00:20:21.240 out war i mean obviously pakistan's got nuked as you say we'll get to that so they've got that but

00:20:27.460 there are india's huge and india's got a lot of people yeah well in in this place they again this

00:20:33.660 was only three years ago they say well look we don't think this will escalate into a full-scale

00:20:38.560 armed conflict by 2025 but the dispute is unlikely to be resolved soon and of course there's deep

00:20:44.400 mistrust between both countries and domestically both countries are facing a freshwater shortage because

00:20:50.340 of their growing uh population and an increase in energy consumption and because of climate change

00:20:55.940 uh freshwater freshwater scarcity has intensified year by year and we're expecting it to get worse

00:21:01.340 and so yeah it looks like this is probably going to be a war between india and pakistan india have

00:21:06.900 been moving very belligerently and pakistan have done something they've suspended trade with india but

00:21:12.160 okay you know great uh is that going to stop anything probably not and the thing is the pakistani

00:21:17.760 responses have been very defensive to accuse india of warmongering oh you're saber-rattling

00:21:23.300 you know i think they might be actually because i think modi is a nationalist and has decided that

00:21:29.340 he can use his nation to conquer territory uh which is what this looks like so um the thing that i've

00:21:36.560 seen going around weirdly is a 1993 cia document that was declassified recently uh whether uh what happens

00:21:44.580 if there's a sort of modern war between india and pakistan the answer is pakistan gets stomped

00:21:48.620 absolutely stomped india's 1.5 billion 1.6 billion people pakistan's 220 million don't get me wrong

00:21:55.540 that's not a small number but there's a huge scale difference here and uh the indian if india went on

00:22:02.520 a total war footing it doesn't even have to be total war no no it wouldn't even have to be doesn't even

00:22:06.780 have to be total war in fact i got i got chat gpt to draw up a summary of the uh relevant militaries

00:22:12.060 uh from just from wikipedia sources uh but you can see the active personnel of the indian army is 1.45

00:22:17.720 million whereas pakistan is 654 000 the defense budget is seven times higher so how much more

00:22:24.220 money does india spend on defense well loads 73 billion 10 billion in pakistan uh how many nuclear

00:22:30.400 weapons they get well 160 wires to 170 warheads uh this i think is the most like people are oh no

00:22:37.660 there could be a nuclear exchange it's like maybe but the last time pakistan conducted any kind of

00:22:43.020 nuclear test was in 1998 so more than a generation ago and also that was an underground nuclear test

00:22:50.380 where they rolled a nuclear warhead into a bunker you know press the fuse and then ran for it whatever

00:22:55.560 it is they did right the point is that's not it on an intercontinental ballistic missile uh accurately

00:23:01.900 landing on its target and if you know north korea's ridiculous attempts to fire missiles anywhere

00:23:08.380 is anything to go by these countries don't exactly have a firm grasp on the delivery mechanism yet

00:23:14.000 thinking of a pakistani with an actual plunger like in a cartoon wily coyote technology yeah and um

00:23:20.440 well they literally think jinns are involved i'm not even joking about i don't i'm not sure but i don't

00:23:26.200 think pakistan's got any sort of missile program india certainly has india sends stuff to the moon

00:23:31.960 yeah so they have got a missile program a good one so and this seems to be just outnumbered with all

00:23:38.520 the rest of the military material as well a bigger much bigger richer country well india's a lot more

00:23:43.940 tied to the west and has taken advantage of the technological capacity that kind of access gives you

00:23:49.520 as you can see the indians have got way more combat aircraft probably much better quality as well

00:23:54.620 way more tanks again probably better quality way better navy they've actually got an aircraft carrier

00:24:00.720 uh 10 destroyers 15 submarines uh the pakistanis have nine frigates and eight submarines come on

00:24:06.780 it's there's no competition here right when it comes to ballistic missiles the indians can have got

00:24:11.320 much more advanced ballistic missiles like you say they're probably actually much better i don't know

00:24:15.880 how good the pakistani ones are but good luck but the point being uh the pakistanis don't have any

00:24:21.240 satellite capability at all they are reliant on the chinese whereas the indians as you say have been

00:24:26.680 putting satellites up into the space they've been sending things to the moon they've actually been

00:24:30.360 doing something on this regard so if in if pakistan is relying on chinese cooperation as well i mean

00:24:35.440 india is in in bricks as well so presumably much stronger ties with china well who knows and they'll

00:24:41.340 definitely have uh western backing basically uh the and when it comes to the cyber electronic warfare of

00:24:46.960 course india has the edge on this and india has a lot more domestic production for the defense

00:24:53.100 industry than pakistan does there's no chance i i just don't see how pakistan could you know do anything

00:24:58.360 in this and so yeah i mean it looks like modi is well aware of this and it's just everyone's really

00:25:04.760 worried i mean this is an analyst uh reported by arab news uh where it's like no the pakistani foreign

00:25:10.220 affairs uh and defense analysts are like you this is indian warmongering it's like yeah because you know

00:25:16.420 you're going to get screwed right you know it absolutely is indian warmongering but uh you're

00:25:21.480 probably going to get stomped and you know it because it's not like the 1950s anymore 1960s

00:25:27.880 whatever it is uh so anyway they uh they say placing blame on pakistan in a knee-jerk reaction

00:25:34.920 without investigation or evidence and even engaging in warmongering is truly unfortunate uh but they they

00:25:40.320 don't talk to us at all i think that would actually help us find the real perpetrators who must be

00:25:44.560 punished it's like yeah so this is being used as a castle's belly like india is based on we're not

00:25:48.540 talking to you we're going to go to war with you and we're going to take something from you and

00:25:51.700 you're just going to essentially suck it up so like i said i i think actually this is quite a high

00:25:57.440 likelihood of war i'm not an expert on the region though you know on the history of the region i'm

00:26:02.060 only a sort of dilettante's understanding of it so if you think i'm wrong do correct me in the comments

00:26:06.700 but uh from what i've from what i know of it and what i can see the way the indians are reacting

00:26:11.040 i mean you know the way the pakistan is reacting uh it looks looks pretty likely it is one of those

00:26:17.020 things my whole life there's been really high tension between india and pakistan i at least

00:26:22.620 half a dozen times something very very similar to this has happened where it where pakistan's done

00:26:28.940 some outrage on india yeah and people are like oh it's going to be a war there's going to be a war

00:26:32.900 and it never does i'm not saying this that will happen again this may be different uh but i agree

00:26:37.900 my whole life i know in this but the thing is it's it's the violation of the water treaty that

00:26:43.420 seems to be the real issue because if india is annexing their water as the telegraph reported

00:26:48.380 this is going to be an existential threat for pakistan right millions of people will die

00:26:53.400 of starvation because the agriculture is fed by the indus rivers tributaries so

00:26:58.520 i mean and the fact that india's like right everyone out right you know we're holding the pakistani

00:27:05.820 government responsible for this we're breaking this treaty we're taking these things and we're

00:27:11.020 not negotiating with you at all i mean i don't see what choice there has there's going to be on the

00:27:16.040 pakistani side right so it's it this is a lot more serious than in previous eras um anyway uh hewitt

00:27:23.080 says uh this conflict flares up every few years but it always gets diffused by the monsoon seasons

00:27:26.840 maybe maybe and i'm like you know who knows it could be that just india bullies pakistan

00:27:31.900 into just seeding cashmere or something i don't know but um but this is it looks pretty damn

00:27:37.580 serious to me and fingers crossed it all just blows over right imagine if something finally

00:27:41.880 happens yeah i know subcontinent yeah well well to be honest with you they've had wars before

00:27:47.260 you know so it's not that it can't happen uh that's a random name says who'd have thought the

00:27:51.960 country with the highest rate of incest in the world wouldn't have functioning nuclear missiles

00:27:54.760 well then hang on a second uh i don't know that they don't have functioning nuclear missiles

00:27:58.960 apparently they've got 170 warheads so that they can detonate underground but can they get them to

00:28:04.760 and they do anything with them and and the fact that again they haven't had a missile test since

00:28:09.280 the 30th of may 1998 so right i wouldn't be confident you know it's technically difficult to

00:28:17.320 have functioning nukes let alone a missile program to deliver them accurately yeah i mean i'm surprised

00:28:22.880 pakistan's got a submarine program well yeah that's also very different honestly

00:28:27.060 it's not it's no small feat it would be kind of funny if war broke out and pakistan accidentally

00:28:33.360 ended up detonating itself uh well uh yeah which isn't entirely out of the indian perspective but

00:28:40.260 i mean i think it's worth remembering that none of the nukes that have ever actually been used in war

00:28:43.420 were delivered via missiles dropped by planes you know so like you know here's something that's

00:28:50.180 never been done before right pakistan it's your time to shine i don't know bro i don't know i i just

00:28:56.380 can't help but feel yeah i just can't help but feel that this isn't going to go brilliantly right

00:29:01.080 uh the hapsification says i went to tunisia on a holiday this year and it's considered weird

00:29:05.420 to wear a full top to bottom covering for women like in the cup uh weirdly it felt like france

00:29:09.860 especially the capital um well yeah that's because like tunisia i think actually like there is slate

00:29:14.640 of arab countries they've just banned it outright they're just like no you you can't do this so the

00:29:19.840 fact that we allow it often from the pakistani community in britain is very weird we we foster the

00:29:24.900 most radical forms of islam uh and here it says if harry thinks asia is one big desert he should go

00:29:30.520 buy an atlas go be an atlas i should go be an atlas yeah i was thinking more like eastern turkey the

00:29:36.220 arabian peninsula up to around you know western well a lot of asia is yeah it from what i've seen

00:29:41.960 it looks like most of that area seems to be a massive desert but you just don't expect to see

00:29:46.460 something like cashmere in that well cashmere is on the sort of southern side of the himalayas

00:29:51.060 everything north of the himalayas is a desert so all the water get all the clouds get stopped and

00:29:55.400 then the water comes down anyway so okay my turn i guess you wait there bo yeah yeah i was just

00:30:04.400 pondering how you could possibly think that everything from from turkey to india is a desert

00:30:10.960 looks like one anyway anyway um so i thought we could just do a bit of an update on the ukraine

00:30:20.120 situation yeah a bit of a moment in time uh for anyone who's not paying attention because

00:30:24.880 there's been a few different a few different uh things have have gone on with the situation

00:30:30.180 although nothing sort of decisive particularly um so well where to begin last night there was yet

00:30:36.960 more attacks on kiev itself by the russians missile strikes a few people killed but you know

00:30:43.720 right in the heart of kiev um and so trump the trump administration has been trying to broker peace

00:30:50.480 ever since he got in really almost ever since he got in so it's like a couple of months now

00:30:54.440 and it hasn't really got anywhere um but it seems mainly that the ukrainian side

00:31:03.740 are the issue well putin has said he's ready to he's ready to make peace make a deal launch more

00:31:11.040 missiles launch more missiles you know we're keeping the donbass and the quimera but we're

00:31:14.860 ready to talk to the peace table stop launching missiles then well there's i mean it's a hard

00:31:20.900 negotiation yeah it works it works well there is it's very much a tactic isn't it to force people

00:31:27.600 to the peace table to the negotiation table it doesn't usually work but sometimes it does

00:31:33.540 i suppose if you force them to the table on your terms right if you're literally bombing their

00:31:37.760 capital then maybe that would bring zelinski to the table so if you beat someone down and you know

00:31:43.220 that if you don't completely knock them out they're going to keep fighting you so so you have to beat

00:31:48.380 them in the head when they're on the ground i mean it's brutal don't get into a fight with bow

00:31:52.800 flashing back to his essence days there jesus christ bow many a fun friday and saturday

00:32:00.300 one way to finish fight is a curb stomp that is one way to finish it oh that is that's true

00:32:05.840 it's a bit edward norton of you yeah with the shaved head as well be a bit more honorable bow anyway come

00:32:10.880 on let's go i've never done a curb stomp on anyone oh good or kick them in the head while they're down

00:32:15.680 or he says nervously not once it hasn't been documented there's no photos of it so it didn't

00:32:20.920 happen no uh all right so let's see what happened uh so trump's position now or rubio state department

00:32:27.560 white house position is at this minute if you guys don't sort of start sorting something out

00:32:33.900 then america is just gonna pass it's gonna sort of back out from trying to help or mediate the

00:32:40.640 situation they're gonna they're gonna cut off money and supplies yeah i guess so or just the

00:32:45.720 the mediation you know they'll go to somewhere kind of neutral whether it's somewhere in the

00:32:50.140 emirates or paris or wherever it is try and get people around a table and start to have talks about

00:32:55.220 talks uh it's just gonna stop doing any of that i feel like it's um i don't know whether it's the art

00:33:00.520 of the deal or anything like that but just it puts me in mind of when you're uh haggling with

00:33:06.420 someone in a market part of the strategy is to walk away yeah or make like you're going to walk

00:33:13.520 away and then they say no come back come back we'll do we'll do a deal we'll do a deal i don't know

00:33:17.520 it's part of that maybe i've not been terribly impressed with trump's strategy here so far to be

00:33:22.720 honest um i i think trump has kind of bungled a bunch of things diplomatically actually recently and

00:33:29.640 this is not going brilliantly like i don't know just my opinion oh no it's certainly stalling if

00:33:37.140 nothing else the least you can say is it's it's stalled uh well i don't know if it seems like well

00:33:45.480 the thing is about ukraine i've heard zelensky say i'm sure he's not lying that it's actually in their

00:33:50.280 constitution that the president can't concede big portions of their land like legally is not allowed

00:33:57.260 to so if the if the negotiating strategies are that uh we can make a peace but you've got to give

00:34:05.580 up on donbass in the crimea he's sort of saying his hands are tied he's saying i can't do that so

00:34:10.960 what what kind of a stupid constitution is that it's like putting it in your constitution well it

00:34:15.620 says here in the constitution we're not allowed to lose wars right so we'll have to just keep going

00:34:20.400 forever yeah brilliant because unless russia decides to go for complete like we did in world war ii

00:34:25.820 unconditional surrender completely steamroll ukraine over the course of years uh then yeah if you're at

00:34:32.520 the negotiating table you're gonna have to have a give and take well right yeah i mean it's just

00:34:37.960 the reality ukraine has clearly lost this war so the brutal reality is that on the battlefield

00:34:45.140 they've lost the ukrainians i mean they may not have lost the hearts and minds of some of the leaders

00:34:50.580 in the european union but on the battlefield it's done they're not getting the crimea back

00:34:56.420 yeah they're not getting big chunks of the donbass back it's not happening and the thing is

00:35:00.600 i hate to say but a lot of the argument for it as well it's kind of strange because

00:35:05.020 they're mostly russian people on the in these areas which is why they've been like ethnic separatists

00:35:10.860 which is why the ukrainians have been shelling them for years prior to all of this happening

00:35:14.800 and that's why the crimeans so readily went over to the russians crimea was like 90 russian so why

00:35:21.080 do you have that you know why do you think you know and it's all about like you know administrative

00:35:26.460 borders that lenin drew back in like 1930 or something right so it's just like look this is

00:35:31.860 just not sensible like it's it's literally like people complaining well the british and the french

00:35:36.800 divided up the middle east by just drawing lines on a map yeah that is the problem rather than drawing

00:35:41.840 around ethnic borders which would have been more sensible and this is the same kind of issue that's

00:35:46.520 happening in eastern europe isn't it or at least uh after world war ii yeah um yeah i mean do you

00:35:53.380 remember a few years ago towards the beginning of the conflict putin had a vote or a plebiscite whatever

00:35:58.220 you want to call it in that region and it came back something kind of crazy like 95 or 99 or whatever

00:36:04.240 we want to be with russia yeah now i'm sure those numbers were massaged but nonetheless

00:36:10.240 but nonetheless it reflects a reality of the people on the east of ukraine consider themselves

00:36:18.000 more russian than ukraine and we know that they do and the thing is do we think that there's no

00:36:23.240 anti-russian discrimination in ukraine just outside of times of war like i doubt i very much doubt it

00:36:29.460 there's a long history there exactly yeah long long long history and and a big ethnic inferiority

00:36:35.240 complex on the part of the ukrainians because i looked i looked into this well again you you can

00:36:38.740 legitimately consider ukrainians a sort of separate ethnic group to the russians they're very closely

00:36:43.980 tied but their language is different enough that it's not necessarily mutually intelligible right so

00:36:49.860 like if you if you listen you know for us for example if you see a french sentence you'll probably be

00:36:54.860 able to pick out one or two words that you can identify because they've got a similarity with english

00:36:59.120 words but ukrainian is basically the same with russian right there's been a long enough period

00:37:04.000 of distinction so they can genuinely claim to be a separate ethnic group and they clearly identify

00:37:09.120 as a separate ethnic group so why would the russians be like oh yeah we want to be with those guys

00:37:14.100 it's like no you you can see why the russians would want to be with russia well it's an extremely

00:37:19.320 long and storied narrative i mean quite literally go back to the 8th century literally when he was being

00:37:25.040 interviewed by carlson yeah and me and absolute majesty did a long form bit of content talking

00:37:29.780 about that interview and going back to the 8th century and things but if you want to just start

00:37:34.240 in the 20th century i mean uh or even post-war in um sojournitsyn's work the the gulag archipelago

00:37:41.760 quite often of from time to time he'll talk about the ukrainians um and their animosity towards

00:37:50.360 russians or soviets as it was then uh so yeah they're sort of a bit like in a very very broad

00:37:56.560 sense the relationship between the english and the french or the english and the scots or the

00:38:00.660 english and the irish is like i don't know i think they're neighbors but oh yeah it's worse it's way

00:38:04.980 worse because like but it's just they've been they've been at each other's throats since time

00:38:09.500 immemorial but the thing is that there's there's a kind of ethnic domination in between the russians

00:38:15.620 and the ukrainians that doesn't exist between the french and the english or the germans and the

00:38:19.140 french right because they're roughly part uh like powers of equal parity right like so uh germany

00:38:25.720 could reasonably win a war against france france could reasonably win a war against germany and

00:38:29.040 they could view each other as basically as equals but the russians have always been had this dominion

00:38:33.220 over ukraine that the ukrainians like you know in in in a way like kind of like the way that some

00:38:39.660 indians feel about britain right so oh that's the superior imperial power and therefore we need to get

00:38:45.240 one over on you a lot of them probably have that kind of mentality and so i can't imagine like being

00:38:49.560 a russian citizen ukraine you're like oh yeah i'm gonna get a fair shot here right come on it's as if

00:38:54.440 it's not horrifically corrupt anyway but it's like it just doesn't make any sense to try and press these

00:38:59.880 people into the same state you know i mean there's just so much baggage yeah now going back to the lenin

00:39:05.800 era or the stionist the holodomor yeah just that one thing and yeah and i just want to clear i'm not

00:39:10.860 saying the ukrainians don't have just cause to hate the russians absolutely they do oh yeah

00:39:15.900 you know absolutely they do potentially more reason to not have ukrainians governing a load of russians

00:39:23.180 who otherwise are just innocent civilians who might be the victim of uh of um repercussions dating back

00:39:31.700 100 years or more yeah or a thousand that they that they personally had nothing to do with i agree

00:39:36.700 exactly and so it just doesn't make any sense like these should be ethnically distinguished states

00:39:41.760 and so the fact that ukrainians are like no we're not letting go of all these russian populated areas

00:39:46.100 like but why do you want them you know it's interesting when you look at uh world war ii the eastern

00:39:51.760 front the the aust front in world war ii uh the back and forths completely across ukraine what is

00:39:58.840 modern ukraine it was like big battles between the soviets and the nazis for kiev both when the

00:40:04.580 nazis were going east and when the soviets were coming west uh giant giant battles all around what

00:40:10.380 is modern day ukraine uh and the largest battles ever in history yeah some of it yeah yeah all right

00:40:15.240 yeah a lot of a lot of people have never even heard of them no um but there was literally like you

00:40:21.020 know six million russians and three million germans stretching across like a hundred miles of plane

00:40:26.820 fighting battles like god god what what are we doing here bro like the karkov pocket there's so

00:40:32.260 many uh there's so many and that's just in the 20th century so and even then talking about the

00:40:37.720 animosities between the german sorry the russians and the ukrainians even then a lot of ukrainians

00:40:42.480 said oh great we're being liberated yes yeah and loads of them signed up i mean there was that

00:40:46.800 controversy a few years ago when the war war first broke out well what was it the canadian parliament

00:40:52.180 yeah celebrating the ukrainian who'd fought against the russians who'd fought against the

00:40:56.280 russians and then everybody wait ss yeah yeah he joined the nazi yeah but again for them they

00:41:02.720 weren't fighting for the purity of the german race or anything they were fighting because hey

00:41:06.560 these guys have been genociding us for the past 20 years so if these guys want to come in and

00:41:12.540 liberate us then we'll do it i've seen like historians being like well you know actually the germans

00:41:17.800 probably would have done better because they didn't go in there with the intention of liberating

00:41:20.460 ukraine and so they took loads of prisoners of war and stuff like that and you know the stories of

00:41:25.140 like thousands of ukrainians following one german officer after being like captured i mean even 800

00:41:30.780 000 uh even 800 000 russians ethnic russians joined their side as well but they there was some

00:41:38.460 difficulties with all of that we hang off topic sorry i was just saying when one last thing i was

00:41:42.720 to say when you look at the details of the eastern front just for example during world war ii

00:41:45.880 um you'd have sort of the nazis and the soviets but then there were just massive partisan groups

00:41:51.900 of ukrainian nationalists who tried to fight against both sides so so anyway back to the 2020s

00:42:00.480 um the americans are starting to say or trump's angle is now maybe we'll just leave you to it then

00:42:07.280 if we've pulled all the levers we can or within reason uh maybe we'll just like walk away

00:42:14.460 leave you to it um because we gave the ukrainians or under biden gave them all the help we possibly

00:42:21.560 could silly amounts of money silly amounts of 100 military material and you it didn't work on the

00:42:29.160 battlefield it didn't work i remember the spring or summer offensive i think two years ago now

00:42:33.900 and for me i was thinking as sort of a military history amateur historian um they need to get some

00:42:42.100 big wins this summer out of this if it's if it's not if they're not just going to completely lose

00:42:47.100 and they didn't it didn't really go into it fizzled out and at that point i think two summers ago now

00:42:51.820 um at that point i was like well okay it's don't you've got to come to the negotiating table at some

00:42:57.600 point now ukraine uh but they're holding out they still don't want to so anyway it's in the news a bit

00:43:02.020 that there was more stuff overnight um yeah trump's frustration um yeah and the thing is zelinski's

00:43:12.140 in a bit of a tough position here as well because okay say he's the guy who loses the war and loses

00:43:16.880 like a fifth of ukraine's territory or whatever it is well that's hardly going to play well with the

00:43:21.940 remaining ukrainians is it so yeah absolutely so we all know that he's uh zelinski has suspended

00:43:29.060 elected elections yeah uh some are saying that's fair enough they're in a state of war others are

00:43:33.960 saying that's not cool yeah you're acting now as a some form of a dictator but regardless of that i

00:43:42.020 saw i don't think i've got the link but i saw some soundings coming out of ukraine that maybe he'll

00:43:47.020 hold an election this coming summer maybe they'll get a new leader who is who gets elected on a ticket

00:43:53.480 of uh going to the peace table i i don't know we'll see um but suspending elections is i mean

00:44:02.240 a lot of people did it during world war ii but it has to be a real real real sort of almost if not

00:44:09.020 an actual total war situation for example lincoln didn't suspend elections during the american civil

00:44:15.000 war did he not no interesting no he got re-elected in the middle at once towards the end of it i had to

00:44:20.320 get the votes from the southern states we didn't oh there we go so did he you know is it really an

00:44:25.120 election like sorry you know well if he secede you're not allowed to you're not allowed in the

00:44:31.240 electoral college anymore i mean what do you want even with world war ii because of uh at the end of

00:44:36.800 the war when all of a sudden you're administering like nuremberg or something you kind of get the

00:44:41.340 awkward situation of churchill's just been voted out so the guy who'd been administering the war on

00:44:46.560 the english side for the past five years isn't it isn't in power anymore fdr dies and you've got

00:44:52.960 truman in his stead and then the only guy who'd really been all the way through the war was stalin

00:44:57.980 because hitler was already dead as well so you get a load of random people and stalin and satan

00:45:03.400 himself cleaning it up stalin is yeah stalin's got to deal with um churchill and fdr i mean some

00:45:11.300 people have uh and had fdr wrapped around his little finger yeah yeah and now he's got what

00:45:16.660 truman and what was it atlee i suppose would it be yeah it would have been atlee stalin must have

00:45:20.780 thought these chumps i think it must have come across kind of pathetic to him um yeah so but also

00:45:29.400 complicating the matters further i don't are america still trying to organize as part of this some

00:45:35.020 kind of rare mineral steel that's all part of it that's because because the difficulties with that is

00:45:40.760 when you see the maps of where all of the minerals the most rare and precious ones that are most

00:45:46.180 useful are distributed all the ones that you'd actually want are in the territories of russian

00:45:50.860 control now so the question is going to be is america if they actually want these useful minerals are

00:45:56.860 they going to have to arrange their own separate deal at the same time with russia where they have

00:46:01.980 some kind of permission to go into those territories that seems unlikely doesn't it yeah because it's

00:46:07.180 otherwise you're only getting kind of the rubbish stuff

00:46:10.760 yeah yeah uh there's a few different types of um materials which america covets and yeah some of

00:46:17.780 them are largely is it going to be stuff like lithium yeah yeah things like lithium yeah so i think

00:46:22.560 lithium particularly is actually all over ukraine but still what you're saying is also true about

00:46:26.140 other materials but it's actually quite complicated of course situation um shock and surprise that's

00:46:32.000 really complicated like everything is from the state department's point of view though yeah

00:46:36.900 uh it seems like they're they're running short of patience at least with the ukrainians it's like

00:46:42.760 this they're basically saying you've got to come to terms with the fact you've lost this was a major

00:46:46.640 campaign promise from trump yeah i'll end it on day one okay we're 100 days later or whatever it is

00:46:51.280 and you know putin's shelling the the capital is this over well you remember when zelensky

00:46:58.920 came to the white house and they had that press conference and it was pretty much vans didn't say

00:47:02.980 please yeah that one i mean you can tell that um yeah what's the magic word vladimir say the magic

00:47:12.720 word um so yeah uh it's just still going on yeah and unfortunate well maybe not unfortunate but just

00:47:21.340 the reality is that the ball is in ukraine's court to end this thing now putin has said

00:47:27.880 he's prepared to america i'm prepared to accept your concession yeah yeah okay great thank you i'm

00:47:34.240 prepared to accept your surrender right yeah um so yeah overnight yeah you actually see uh we can

00:47:41.340 watch it maybe because it's not explicit it's a long range but uh well it's buffering but

00:47:45.700 there was uh you see missiles falling on sort of the middle of kiev yeah i don't know why people

00:47:51.860 started calling it kiev to be because that's that's the ukrainian pronunciation but we've always

00:47:56.300 called it kiev i know but we don't say paris do we it's the same thing where we've all of a sudden

00:48:00.800 i've seen people spelling turkey as like t-u-r-k-i-y-e yeah but it's it's to be culturally

00:48:08.800 sympathetic to the ukrainians oh there you go oof yeah yeah that was a big one yeah it's not it's

00:48:15.680 not great it's not great um and the thing is i think i think you're basically right at this

00:48:19.860 point holding out is just costing lives yeah necessarily you're just spending can't win

00:48:25.380 this just spending the lifeblood of a generation yeah pointlessly now yeah

00:48:30.540 what do you do do you fight down to the last man all right well the constitution says so yes

00:48:38.720 yeah apparently we're not allowed to lose it says here actually yeah um so it is sort of an

00:48:46.320 unfortunate situation of course uh so zoletsky himself was on some sort of trip to south africa

00:48:51.660 uh and he's drawn that to a close quickly so he's flying back to ukraine this is all like today or

00:48:57.680 this morning or in the wee hours for us uh he's trying to sort of shore up so what's he trying to get

00:49:03.380 from south africa uh just diplomatic political support really because because his his political

00:49:12.000 support is dwindling isn't what good is south africa's political support they don't have any

00:49:17.380 money to give you i looked up south africa's army the other day for some reason 38 000 men

00:49:22.560 maybe operation human shield is in play no not even strap south africans to your tanks

00:49:30.540 their army is way way smaller it's too small i just think diplomatically politically the walls

00:49:36.280 are closing in on zolensky once yeah the united states essentially publicly you know pulled pulled

00:49:42.200 back its support for them for him then uh well then his options are shrinking yeah all over the

00:49:49.220 strange after donald trump has been quite belligerent towards south africa recently as well

00:49:54.540 yeah for him to then immediately try and go to them when south africa was where they were getting a lot

00:50:00.140 of their rare minerals from before yeah absolutely and sort of just the noises coming out of um the

00:50:07.000 white house are just basically putting more and more pressure more and more blame for it not ending

00:50:12.420 yet on the ukrainians so yeah trump accuses zelensky of jeopardizing imminent peace deal

00:50:18.080 is one is the guardian of all places yeah um yeah that the zelensky just refuses to accept that he's

00:50:27.440 lost crimea yeah it's gone bro it was gone in 2014 it's 10 years later it's gone well it's gone

00:50:33.680 within one week yeah they took it really quick immediately it was the first thing they did you

00:50:37.700 know the little green men yeah so that's it it's done and it was a it was a very surgical operation

00:50:42.080 on part of the russians yeah i mean it's i get it i get it's a bitter pill to swallow yeah for the

00:50:49.460 ukrainians i get it but you've kind of you you've got to what you're going to do yeah the military

00:50:54.100 reality is the military reality you're going to do keep assassinating russian generals in the middle

00:50:58.940 of moscow you how you're going to keep doing that is that what you're going to do and i'm sure that

00:51:02.840 won't provoke any other backlashes yeah um there's nothing more they can do i think

00:51:07.420 um yeah trump and putin essentially on the same page now it's like it's happened it's a fait accompli

00:51:15.740 yeah but and i'm not i don't want to be sympathetic to the russians at all but why do you want a bunch

00:51:22.560 of lands occupied by russians what good is that to you i mean this is why you've had problems with the

00:51:28.900 donbass is that they're a bunch of separatists they don't want to be ruled by you you've been at war

00:51:33.100 with this province it's not going to go away you know i just don't see the sense in it i'd imagine

00:51:39.140 it's a combination of national prestige and resources i guess pride yeah i think it's more

00:51:44.440 pride pride comes before the fall um yeah so uh trump accusing zilinski of being boastful really um

00:51:55.300 yeah like look we can make a piece here it's not the piece you want it is a bit of a humiliating

00:52:01.280 piece from your point of view zilinski but what choice have you got yeah right we're not going

00:52:07.780 to go to war with with russia the united states we're not going to go to war with russia for you

00:52:13.360 over this i suspect russia actually has missiles that can deliver a payload right of course yeah

00:52:18.400 yeah i know it's not pakistan is what i'm saying you know what i mean like they they know that their

00:52:22.780 missiles can get to where they're going to go and what are your options yeah you're running out of

00:52:30.260 of options you're running out of time um so yeah putin said you know i'll accept your surrender

00:52:35.560 anytime dude uh we're all just waiting for you but the thing is putin's not going to have like

00:52:41.760 political instability by absorbing these provinces because they're all going to be russians yeah and

00:52:47.400 like the people in them have been asking for a union with russia for a long time right so it's just

00:52:53.140 like he's just going to get well well ordered you know like peaceful provinces or zilinski will be at war

00:52:59.060 with them in the future because of the ethnic conflict that would be in intrinsic to them so

00:53:05.540 what are we doing here you know this just doesn't make any sense to me so it's just a bit of an update

00:53:10.560 bit of a moment in time here on on the 24th of april 2025 we'll see how it goes i mean i still think i

00:53:16.540 hope i think most people do that there'll be some sort of peace brokered over the next few weeks or

00:53:24.080 months or at least sort of ceasefires at least sort of a large and end to the killing the large

00:53:30.280 scale killing to sort of stop dropping missiles in the middle of kiev yes and uh assassinations on

00:53:36.140 both sides and all that sort of thing you know let's just hopefully just end it as soon as possible

00:53:41.620 but um the balls in the ukrainian's court it seems at this point yeah war is bad okay bald eagle says the

00:53:47.780 method that trump has used would have worked with normal leaders zilinski is purely notified

00:53:51.460 motivated by money and in the war cuts off his money which is why ukrainian uh ukraine backs out

00:53:56.500 of every deal in the last second i don't know i think zilinski's got more than enough money he's

00:54:01.380 got something like 750 million dollars in offshore i know i always forget which is odd isn't it

00:54:05.880 there's a there's a particular billionaire how's he personally got that much because he was backed by

00:54:11.020 some oligarch yeah i always forget the name of the journalist but there was that journalist had

00:54:15.480 been doing a lot of reporting on on ukraine saying about how all of the money that was going in

00:54:20.220 all of a sudden all of the highest ranking people in ukraine were buying new yachts with money that

00:54:25.120 they shouldn't have yeah uh and yeah was it the panama papers or one of those like reveals where

00:54:31.380 yeah zilinski just has hundreds of millions of dollars he'll just go to california seymour hirsch

00:54:35.100 was the journalist i was thinking of he'll just go to california the second the war ends you know

00:54:39.120 dubai or wherever you know and then get caught up in the wildfires like we predicted jm denton says

00:54:44.000 zilinski is already unpopular in ukraine so having the war end and election is not in his interest

00:54:47.500 quite possibly uh come on carl are the world leaders want this war to continue in a feeding

00:54:51.620 and pushing it with only trump wanting peace well that true yeah that's absolutely true uh matt says

00:54:56.660 i think trump did not consider europe would undermine negotiations for peace when he said the war would

00:55:00.560 be over on day one yeah that's probably true i think he expected europe to follow his lead but the

00:55:04.380 thing is this is where my critique of trump's uh diplomatic mistakes comes in what was he doing you

00:55:09.960 know he could have he he should have began with a nicely softly softly nicey nicey approach to get those

00:55:15.800 things that he wanted and then go hard line on them you know and just kind of pull the rug under

00:55:19.720 their feet you know but he didn't he started with the stick when he should have begun with a carrot

00:55:23.240 uh the habsification says uh alcohol is legal in tunisia and i saw men and women openly drinking

00:55:28.940 alcohol and going into bars and nightclubs and women wearing normal western clothes and women in

00:55:32.680 wearing nightclubs uh clothes like france yeah like i said a lot of arab countries are just not like

00:55:38.900 pakistan uh lowthar says in 2018 i went to kharkiv for a month to work everyone there spoke russian

00:55:44.080 i recall a native co-worker telling me i'm only teaching my kid russian and english none of this

00:55:48.560 ukrainian bs uh yep t tone says trump is belligerent to south africa because they are taking white

00:55:54.560 farmers land and shouting kill the whites zelinski teams up with that nice that's a great point i

00:55:59.340 didn't even yeah i was clicking my head i was thinking that just as i've seen reports of the

00:56:03.000 eff are wanting some kind of march to dissolve irania yeah as well although to be fair apparently

00:56:08.240 the iranians have responded with try that we'll just shoot you that's that's why i was looking up

00:56:12.420 the south african military yeah so the irania is only like something like three or four thousand

00:56:17.700 people so they can't fight them off it's only a 4chan green text but i keep seeing it go around

00:56:22.320 recently during the rhodesian war when the rhodesian army would capture the communists and such and they

00:56:28.000 would ask them what they were doing with their guns because every single one of them had the uh

00:56:31.920 had the sights turned up to the highest or something yeah they just thought it would shoot

00:56:36.340 harder yeah so one small town of iranians no no no no the the the rhodesians had like a you know

00:56:43.220 proper military you know iranians stood on a wall with rifles versus the south african army i don't

00:56:53.000 think they're in as bad a position no no no the south african they do they do have like you know a few

00:56:57.300 hundred tanks you know do they know how to use them they've got artillery yeah they do i'm sure i'm

00:57:02.060 sure they're not uh as incompetent as we might want to think that doesn't spell great for irania

00:57:08.240 but apparently whenever they say stuff like that they keep backing down well i mean that's because

00:57:12.520 it would be an international uh scandal well you'd think the farmers would be well yeah yeah well

00:57:18.760 apparently trump's helping to make it one anyway so labor have decided to be more right-wing than the

00:57:24.200 tories and reform again although reform to be fair earlier on today we're having a conference where

00:57:30.660 farage was throwing out the red meat to everybody so i was like this is what i saw on the podcast

00:57:35.040 and these are good ideas yeah thanks you're the you shouldn't be charging consultancy for farage to be

00:57:40.580 honest shouldn't you but they have decided that they're going to officially as part of the government

00:57:45.400 other outside organizations have been trying to do this sort of thing for a while including the

00:57:49.680 center for migration control which we'll look at in a minute but officially as part of the

00:57:54.520 government they are going to start at some point this year publishing the nationalities of

00:57:59.040 foreign criminals in this country which again as they've seen there's lots of other organizations

00:58:06.480 that try and do this using home office and ons data that they've got through freedom of information

00:58:12.120 request acts but this in a way i would say kind of legitimizes concerns and is from a very very

00:58:18.880 legitimate source in most people's eyes that being the government you hear that oh some random ngo

00:58:24.960 this center for migration control oh they're probably right wing oh they're probably biased

00:58:29.240 people dismiss that you hear it come straight no one would ever accuse the uk government of being

00:58:33.540 right wing would they no no they certainly wouldn't but then it comes from the government a lot of

00:58:37.160 normies ears are going to perk up and they're going to go oh okay all right so there is a problem then

00:58:42.020 sadly that's just how a lot of people work i'm not saying that's good i'm not saying that that's how it

00:58:46.780 should be but that is how it does work so what they're saying is that yvette cooper our home

00:58:52.400 secretary has ordered officials to publish the data including crimes that have been committed

00:58:57.040 by the end of the year so they'll break the information down into how many crimes are being

00:59:01.560 committed by these nationalities and what kind of crimes that they're committing as well so we'll get

00:59:05.880 the league tables we'll get the foreign criminal league tables as published by the government but there

00:59:11.740 is a catch to this it's not all foreign criminals in the country it's those who have been uh set to

00:59:19.440 be deported so that limits it quite significantly right very significantly and of course we also have

00:59:26.480 to note that nationality will not mean the person's heritage and background it will mean

00:59:32.220 that passport although in most cases it probably will track quite well because most countries in the

00:59:38.160 world don't have a ridiculous visa stamping program that we have so like you know the a person with a

00:59:45.080 somali passport is probably like 99.9 chance to be a somalian right a person with like an eritrean

00:59:52.760 passport is probably an eritrean that's all true but with the visa stamping that does mean that a lot

00:59:57.820 might get swept under yeah under the carpet of british as well we have sweepstakes and what we think the

01:00:03.960 results are going to be oh we already we already he's going to top the table we already we already

01:00:08.720 know what the results are going to be which is albanians albanians albanians to a ridiculous degree

01:00:16.620 it will be albanians but i'll get on to those figures in a moment so what it looks like is that at the end

01:00:21.880 of last year there were 19 000 foreign offenders awaiting deportation so we will be getting the figures

01:00:27.380 for those 19 000 and change however much have been added to that list since the end of last year

01:00:33.860 a home office sources said the government wanted the public to be better informed about foreign

01:00:38.420 criminals including where they come from so the home office is now saying we want the public to

01:00:43.280 notice you are now crazy allowed to notice you have got your noticing license from the home office

01:00:50.080 themselves yvette cooper's personally rubber stamped it exactly this would never have happened under the

01:00:54.820 conservatives no it wouldn't it would not happen it certainly wouldn't the tories do still want to

01:00:59.060 take credit for this though oh shut up they've said 14 years the tories said oh well it shows that

01:01:04.600 labor has buckled after being pressured to disclose the figures you could have done this at any point you

01:01:10.320 had 14 years to do this you didn't so there's no point trying to take credit now tories we know

01:01:16.640 that you would never have done this until labor gave you permission to do so we need labor's permission

01:01:21.900 to be racist and even then when you took over from labor you still decided to you know boris wave us

01:01:28.400 yeah boris wave us and you decided to liberalize a lot of blunkett and blair's tougher laws anyway

01:01:34.540 and brought in their own laws what were the what was the uh the major one they brought in that was

01:01:38.980 just like the the online harms bill and stuff like that oh yeah they they rubber stamped it oh i mean

01:01:43.760 the um well they drew the equality act they could have repealed that immediately they brought in

01:01:49.500 ones of their own just in the further in the blair project i was like yeah you you are just as guilty

01:01:53.760 sorry no no it's absolutely fine so it's saying that the people that we've got who are being

01:01:57.760 subject to automatic deportation of foreign nationals who have been sentenced to 12 months

01:02:01.820 or more in prison so those are the kinds of figures that we're getting home office figures are expected

01:02:07.080 to show that the main three nationalities for foreign criminals living in the communities

01:02:10.660 are albanians romanians and poles so poles i was not expecting to be included in that but again broken

01:02:18.640 down by crime i would imagine with poles it's going to be more some kind of benefit fraud yeah that's

01:02:24.580 going to be the main one for polish people not all crime is made equal yeah so poles are not going

01:02:29.680 to be anywhere near on the same level of severity same as the albanians well honestly the albanians

01:02:34.560 probably aren't doing that much actual violent crime either right it's going to be drug trade can

01:02:38.420 be pretty sure but it's going to be trade pickpocketing yeah it's going to be mostly trafficking across

01:02:43.260 the channel property crimes right these three these three groups are going to be mostly property crimes

01:02:47.740 right like where it's you know stealing money selling drugs stuff like that you know the violent crimes

01:02:52.880 are going to be coming from the more third world yeah non-eu exactly i mean don't get me wrong i am

01:02:57.420 obviously bothered about the you know the albanians running drugs and the romanians stealing copper

01:03:02.520 out of the wires and whatever and the poles stealing benefits but it's not like an ex i don't feel

01:03:08.420 personally threatened by that so that's lower down on my list of priorities actually those those ones

01:03:13.240 who are you know raping and murdering children are actually okay it happens less sure i'm sure it does

01:03:18.580 i'm a bit more concerned about it but we also have to take into account that these are the criminals

01:03:23.200 the government and the police have decided to charge and pursue in the first place so the white one yeah

01:03:28.100 the white ones yeah yeah so there's going to be a lot of problems they're still refusing the national

01:03:32.420 inquiry over the grooming gangs for instance but they have decided to brag about this and say the

01:03:36.540 tories would never do this because the tories would never do this the home office said not only are

01:03:40.820 we deporting foreign criminals at a rate never seen when chris philip and robert jenrich were in charge

01:03:45.880 we will also be publishing far more information about the cohort of offenders than the tories ever

01:03:50.360 did we want to ensure the public is kept better informed about the number of foreign criminals

01:03:54.220 awaiting deportation where they are from and the crimes that they have committed the tories again

01:03:59.040 though that's that's great that's okay that's wonderful the dialectic in britain has turned into

01:04:05.020 who can deport the most foreign criminals that's a great start you know and labor are like yeah we're

01:04:09.660 actually we're most right wing on that the tories are a bunch of wimpy leftists i agree they probably are

01:04:14.580 there is an iranian rug merchant who has repeatedly stated welsh as well who has repeatedly stated that

01:04:21.320 the tories are afraid of what the guardian says about them labor are afraid about what the daily

01:04:26.020 mail says about them and i think this is proof of that some people say that the the the right the

01:04:33.320 sort of uh disempowered right of the country has never moved the overton window i disagree

01:04:39.280 we absolutely have look at what they're just saying here yeah we're deporting criminals at a rate

01:04:43.980 never before seen you'd think that'd be something nigel farage would say it's definitely clearly a

01:04:49.300 political gambit a ployer to try and undercut tories and reform yeah at the same time and also i do

01:04:55.720 think that there is the digital id aspect to take into account here as well because what they're

01:05:01.460 probably going to do is say here's all of this extra information look at how these people who are

01:05:06.900 coming into the country are making your life worse through the crimes that they commit

01:05:10.040 if we implement facial recognition biotechnology and digital id all at the same time we're better

01:05:15.740 able to track these people better able to arrest and deport them so there's your excuse for having

01:05:22.620 digital die digital ids and other technocratic stuff into introduced into the country yeah that

01:05:28.000 seems pretty much one of the plays for me and it so it achieves multiple things at the same time

01:05:33.500 so really it's actually a very clever move on their part again uh the tories are claiming that uh this

01:05:40.480 was us look we were saying that we should do this all the way back to a year ago you were still in

01:05:45.560 power in march of last year why didn't you and it's all well and good you know i know people like

01:05:52.100 jenrick he is obviously the best of them at the moment but even robert jenrick after he's no longer

01:05:57.600 head of the home office saying we should publish migrant crime data why didn't you you had the

01:06:03.720 opportunity so it's it's all meaningless words anything that jenrick does is always underscored

01:06:09.760 by the fact that the conservative party itself chose not to make him the leader right so jenrick's like

01:06:16.620 hey guys i'm super right-wing and based and i i i would get these things done it's like okay i didn't

01:06:20.800 when i was in power but whatever uh i will do in the future okay but your own party selected against

01:06:26.500 you for an african immigrant right so who who wants more nigerians coming into the country uh so you

01:06:33.120 know bro you are probably in the wrong party is basically the answer the conclusion you should

01:06:38.820 draw from this well there does keep being small rumblings of a tory reform team up yeah why would

01:06:47.600 nigel want that yeah why would nigel i'm i'm the guy the head in the polls i don't need you

01:06:51.380 like why would i need you all i need to do is actually throw out some red meat like i did this

01:06:55.720 morning in fact and i'll probably go up in the polls and you'll go down in that picture he looks

01:07:01.120 a bit like uh jd vance he does doesn't he missing a chromosome or two but it's a bit like a vance

01:07:09.580 edit yeah jd vance without the beard great beard jenrick but again one of the questions is uh given

01:07:17.080 that they only care about what the daily mail has to say about this what does the guardian have to say

01:07:22.460 about this which is that it's uh obviously terrible obviously racist it's pandering to farage

01:07:27.880 no it's not actually pandering to farage it's outflanking him yeah it's outflanking him and letting

01:07:34.620 the disaffected red wall voters know that trust us you can vote for us again now we're not going

01:07:41.020 we also hate immigrants yeah we're not gonna we're not gonna try and replace you look at look at how many

01:07:45.780 more deportations that we're doing look at how we acknowledge the fact that this affects your

01:07:51.620 communities and how poor you are we're going to put money back in your pocket protect your jobs

01:07:56.340 because they've started to halt a lot of the british steel redundancies that we're going to go through

01:08:01.400 and now they're doing this as well so actually it's a concerted effort labor are doing a really

01:08:06.000 good job of trying to re-attract the disaffected labor voters good sleight of hand too they're pandering

01:08:11.540 to the far right stroke normal people that notice that they're being um raped and murdered and

01:08:18.060 replaced but if we just get a venn diagram of far right and normal people it's weird how it's basically

01:08:23.920 one-to-one so it is funny as well because you've got people like this uh fizzer koreshi head of chief

01:08:30.800 executive of the migrant rights network saying oh it's scapegoating oh it's trying to manufacture a

01:08:36.660 link between nationalities and criminality that uh plays into our infamously racist police system

01:08:43.600 because the stephen lawrence inquiry did absolutely nothing unfair treatment of the riots last year

01:08:49.620 meant nothing the yorkshire police saying that we don't want white candidates yeah means nothing but

01:08:55.320 labor listen to a woman like that and say who cares or at least yeah or at least keir starmer and

01:09:03.000 the blairites listen to that and say we've pissed you off good good because that plays into what

01:09:08.360 we're trying to do into the with the country but i hate the sleight of hand of it it's like look guys

01:09:11.880 we're getting rid of 19 000 illegal aliens and we're bringing in a million legal ones enjoy have a great

01:09:18.820 day oh yeah only only a third of those are even workers two-thirds of them are either students or

01:09:23.180 dependents enjoy paying for that it's like oh god i hate these people i mean that that is always the

01:09:28.180 sleight of hand not saying that the ultimate result of this is going to be good for the country

01:09:32.120 because labor is still trying to screw everybody over they're just doing a much better job all of

01:09:37.180 a sudden obviously they failed completely when they first came in last year but all of a sudden

01:09:42.080 they're doing a much better job of placating people while they get all of their dark stuff done in the

01:09:47.660 background mad how the traitorous fifth columnist class uh just at war with reality and reality won't

01:09:56.760 quit no it refuses at some point if you're administering a bureaucratic technocratic state

01:10:05.340 at some point labor seem to recognize okay we need to bring ourselves a little bit more in line with

01:10:10.940 reality just if we want things to work efficiently they've been at war with reality since 1789

01:10:17.200 so i don't think they're going to stop anytime soon it's baked in yeah it's our entire world view

01:10:22.960 yeah their entire lives i saw james o'brien saying something i just don't see what possible benefit

01:10:27.520 oh you mean this oh you've already oh yeah let's hear it straight from the horse's mouth shall we

01:10:31.900 i was wondering what james o'brien had to say about this well let's hear what he had to say about this

01:10:36.020 do you think it's going to be intelligent insightful i mean i can see by his face eye opening in the

01:10:40.540 interest of the public that's so poor here we go folks i don't know what else this is designed to do

01:10:46.940 but to feed hatred and and i mean you can tell from my voice i really want to be wrong why is the

01:10:55.360 labour government determined to publish far more information about the nationalities of

01:11:04.420 criminals than ever before i i and you can come at this from whatever if you know something about

01:11:13.160 the demographics of the criminals you'll become prejudiced so i need you ignorant says james o'brien

01:11:19.600 or else hatred grows in britain well like james that doesn't stop things from happening you know the

01:11:26.160 things are happening already well it means that i want you less safe yeah yeah i was gonna say

01:11:32.020 stupid ignorant and yeah if you're ignorant you're less safe if you don't know who's committing the

01:11:38.040 crime you're more likely to make bad decisions that will put yourself in danger james o'brien thinks

01:11:42.960 that that is a-okay he thinks that's a preferable situation that you're in danger than you're informed

01:11:49.660 and make better decisions for yourself that's pretty evil why does he want this country particularly

01:11:55.380 women to be less safe why james why do you want that why are you advocating for that well i mean he's

01:12:01.900 lots of questions he is a feminist he's been to therapy don't you know so he's accepted himself

01:12:06.420 he's accepted himself and all of the consequences oh yeah you've actually done yeah i've done the

01:12:12.140 reading his book i understand his mind now and it is a circus of chaos in that but what else what

01:12:19.440 else may he have to say you want you can and i honestly don't think you will because i can't see

01:12:24.560 that you could explain to me why this isn't as unpleasant as it appears oh what are we supposed

01:12:30.780 to do with the information and so if we discover that poles commit more crimes than i don't know

01:12:37.660 spaniards are we supposed to treat poles and spaniards differently yeah what am i supposed what

01:12:43.340 am i supposed to do with this information it's not ethnicity it's nationality so i i mean are they

01:12:50.740 going to publish the fact that the massive massive massive majority of crimes committed in this country

01:12:55.040 are committed by non-foreigners just in terms of simple statistics that's not an opinion it's

01:13:00.120 counting i can feel we're going to start having conversations yeah james to james per capita hashtag

01:13:05.480 per capita james cannot understand per capita confirmed and if you want an idea of the per capita

01:13:12.680 for particular nationalities well thankfully as i've mentioned the center for migration control have

01:13:18.420 already been collecting a lot of this information through freedom of information requests

01:13:22.080 and putting them into handy dandy easy to read tables revealing information like this so this

01:13:27.980 next one is arrests it's not convictions it's not uh prison population but it's arrests can you

01:13:35.820 believe this one in five albanians who are in the uk right now get arrested well that just shows

01:13:46.420 how racist our police are harry that's that's amazing can you believe that yeah one in ten afghans

01:13:54.380 quite a lot more are doing crimes they're just not arrested yeah yeah the rest of them are getting

01:13:58.120 away the other four out of five are getting away with it which just goes to show like this population

01:14:04.420 i don't think i i that's crazy it would be very uncharitable of me to say that literally one in five

01:14:10.620 albanians in albania is a criminal yeah i don't think that's okay so what it seems to suggest is

01:14:16.840 that criminal albanians are specifically coming over to this country to form gangs and commit crimes

01:14:24.860 mostly involving drugs and human trafficking drugs and human trafficking yeah yeah yeah and the thing

01:14:30.480 is we already know these things right these are already things that we've covered on the podcast

01:14:35.240 and barbershop pretending to be kurdish that too that too but that's also part of the human

01:14:40.420 trafficking it's only a side deal oh yeah sorry yeah i mean that's part of the human trafficking

01:14:44.020 that's part of the drug trafficking that's part of the money laundering as well so even given that

01:14:48.740 this is different nationalities and the nationality will be based on who's been rubber stamped as a

01:14:53.740 brit even with them all getting collected under that information it's still that's ridiculous still

01:15:00.740 what 20 times more yeah what's that classic thing what's it called i've heard a better term for it

01:15:06.220 where you just pretend you feign ignorance you pretend you don't understand per capita you pretend

01:15:10.940 you don't understand why noticing matters why pattern recognition matters formative ignorance

01:15:16.300 something like that yeah do we think that james o'brien is pretending

01:15:19.500 he must i would hope so he must be i would hope more charitable than i am i tell you must be because

01:15:26.400 that's a classic leftist or any sort of old traitor class thing to do is say i don't i don't get it i

01:15:32.100 don't understand but but outside of the arrests again center for migration control have this excellent

01:15:38.380 article here because they posted about this and said the league tables are actually going to be

01:15:43.140 obfuscating a lot of information mainly because it's only counting those 19 000 and change that are

01:15:47.880 set for deportation at the moment and they're going to break it down in this so this is from the freedom

01:15:52.200 of information requests and it's it's very very interesting here this is information between

01:15:57.680 bloody hell what's going on here uh between 2021 and 2023 uh can we get it off of dark mode please

01:16:05.620 samson so that we can actually see uh see the figures a little bit thank you thank you very much

01:16:10.620 so this is total conviction rate and even then even then under total conviction rate albanians

01:16:20.000 per 10 000 4 000 convicted per 10 000 yeah between 2021 and 2023 in two years home office and ons data

01:16:31.940 jesus christ that's ridiculous and then you do get more like the north africa sub-saharan africa other

01:16:37.940 parts of the uh third world as well mold any of those moldover congo oh yeah 1500 almost 1600 and

01:16:45.360 again the the kinds of crimes they're committing are going to be substantively different somalia is

01:16:50.260 one in 10 the uk is one in 136 yeah so that's just general convictions and then if you break it down

01:16:59.800 into the types of crimes then you can get the real picture of what kind of crimes are being committed

01:17:04.420 here so this is the famous graph now sexual offenses per 10 000 that's afghanistan well out in the lead

01:17:11.560 alongside eritrea and namibia who are both all between 50 to 60 per 10 000 that's sexual offenses

01:17:19.620 absolutely ridiculous figures there violent conviction rate congo comes out top there so 186

01:17:27.580 per 10 000 which is almost 12 times the uk rate somalia trying their best there drug conviction rate and

01:17:35.280 jesus christ albania so far out in front is untrue because two and a half thousand per 10 i'm pretty

01:17:42.000 certain the only albanians that are in this country are drug dealers yeah we've just literally i mean

01:17:46.880 apparently something like five percent of albania's total male population is in the uk and apparently

01:17:51.240 that is just the criminal element of albania i bet it looks like that we should do albania publish their

01:17:56.920 own crime statistics have their crimes that gone down i wouldn't just i didn't see some people

01:18:02.300 posting reports of literal full towns in albania where all of the men have left yeah because they've

01:18:08.040 committed crimes over here come and deal cocaine over here what else have we got well and buy a

01:18:13.300 blacked out mercedes within six months if you come here deal drugs traffic there you go i see them

01:18:19.120 parked all the way all the time out in front of barbershops that's interesting theft convictions

01:18:24.160 you've got algerians out front there romanians come on romania only romanians third can you believe

01:18:31.800 that you're falling behind what i mean national stereotypes exist for a reason romanians come

01:18:36.080 on you need to up your game there are we being beaten by the arabs weapons conviction rate albanians

01:18:42.240 again yeah no surprise and then it it goes on there's actually a lot of information that you can take from

01:18:47.940 this the government information will obfuscate a lot and will not be anywhere near as detailed as all of

01:18:55.400 this but again the silver lining to take is that the government themselves are legitimizing this kind

01:19:01.720 of noticing you have your past now you're allowed to notice so we'll see what actually comes of that

01:19:07.540 if it is just red meat if it's going to be part of the digital id or if anything will come of it

01:19:13.940 yeah being able to send them like here's the government statistics on national uh criminality

01:19:19.680 it's going to be hard for the average leftist to be like well i can't i i'm just going to deny that

01:19:24.740 they're always used as the gold standard aren't they yeah but they'll they'll probably make up some

01:19:28.380 excuse of starmer's fascist british coping and seething yes keir starmer will turn into a fascist

01:19:33.720 as james o'brien does yeah yeah yeah no yeah no he really does actually doesn't he he intimates the

01:19:38.720 labor government led by keir i was literally a communist starmer is a far-right government it's like

01:19:44.220 no it's not all right uh we've got rumble rents and i think we have some video comments as well

01:19:50.320 so let's get through those uh fictagia says when you have a government saying rudy cabana a second

01:19:54.460 generation british he's a welsh choir boy thank you uh get ready for a complete charring of the

01:19:59.060 numbers and data yeah true that's random name says i've won welcome digital id especially if it

01:20:03.600 allows us to track people's assets that way when we win it'll be easier to strip all of these

01:20:07.720 traitors of their assets for payment for their crimes this is josh's big idea that's not a bad

01:20:13.860 it is a good idea great idea for carl the only guns you can keep at home in the uk are bolt

01:20:18.220 action rifles two shot shotguns the only semi-autos you can keep at home are 22 uh lr rifles all

01:20:24.200 others must be kept in a shooting club uh yeah i'm aware of that i don't know the exact details but

01:20:28.580 basically i know you can only have like a rifle and a shotgun or something uh scanlines quite big

01:20:32.960 you can have like a 308 rifle though yeah that will blow most things to bits it's a big old i'll do

01:20:39.260 some damage big old rifle james can't imagine what it's like to have had breakfast separate

01:20:44.760 point uh do we worry that another party will get in now or undo uh or do the opposite of all this so

01:20:49.820 they aren't like labor um no i i mean the thing is labor is being very cautious about all of this

01:20:56.580 because all of this plays very well with the general public right like even like most liberal

01:21:01.060 democrat voters think illegals should just be deported like they just you know they even illegals

01:21:06.660 haven't otherwise committed another crime on top should just go says 52 percent of lib dems so

01:21:12.000 it's like these are you know and obviously everyone else like tories and reform like 90 percent so

01:21:17.240 obviously this should be good so like it's a very popular position basically and so labor are actually

01:21:22.560 very safe to move into the right-wing space and do these things so uh alex says uh can we deport

01:21:28.400 criminals to third world countries that use child labor and report them with immigrant criminals along

01:21:32.080 with watching the sun uh probably not uh bald eagle says the overton window hasn't moved it's just

01:21:36.660 that labor has gone so far left they've become right also the muslims are starting to rise up is

01:21:40.820 scaring labor yeah no i i think actually the overton window is moving uh for the mainstream um the

01:21:48.740 and i mean like saying uh what was the thing you know we're deporting more illegals than anyone else

01:21:53.920 that's not something that labor and the tories would have been arguing over 10 years ago you know

01:22:00.080 they're like oh you are a racist then and the conservative i mean i got called a racist by a

01:22:04.300 conservative counselor once on facebook and i just i just laughed at him i was like what are you

01:22:08.320 talking about you know i want these people gone blah blah blah you know and you know he backed down

01:22:12.960 on it very very quickly actually it was like you're a racist i don't care get rid of things like oh it

01:22:17.300 would be good if this turns out to be the uh labor stab in the back to their muslim constituents though

01:22:22.200 wouldn't it the overton window the conversation has certainly moved yeah yeah 100 because you've got

01:22:27.460 someone like charlie downs or uh published what is it the mail online or something about

01:22:32.840 re-migration things we got uh charlie downs in on friday actually he's in tomorrow yeah right okay

01:22:38.000 um and look forward to that folks douglas carl as well yep in the telegraph talking about

01:22:43.680 re-migration even for legal people that have got citizenship and stuff so the conversation has

01:22:49.460 started to as of as of yesterday starting to mobilize the women yeah against it as well young honestly

01:22:57.160 young girls all of a sudden being against it that's a shift as well because they're palpably

01:23:00.740 in danger well i mean this is the point that posy parker's making as well like so all the

01:23:04.060 turfs are like yeah why do we want this as well you know so like yeah the conversation is changing

01:23:09.040 all right let's watch through some of these video comments isn't it ironic the racism that

01:23:16.020 progressives claim to fight against is actually the type they perpetuate i guess they don't have the

01:23:22.900 mental capacity for self-reflection if you want to see the fun parts of our cyberpunk dystopia made

01:23:29.700 real check out my creator's youtube channel by searching for nye mechworks on youtube

01:23:35.620 i think the uh the act the the the mantra it's not hypocrisy it's hierarchy is actually true

01:23:43.580 uh i think they're like you know we're against you and for our guys on the grounds which we're

01:23:48.900 against you you know i do genuinely also think it's like a paternalistic instinct or a maternalistic

01:23:54.520 instinct yeah from the leftists to be like oh no these people are so much more inferior than us

01:23:59.920 yeah so we need to protect them genuinely yeah

01:24:02.540 london gunmaker john rigby and co is set to celebrate its 250th anniversary rigby will host

01:24:12.040 celebrations aboard hms victory and hms warrior at portsmouth historic dockyard in hms victory that

01:24:17.700 ordered in 1758 the same year that lord nelson was uh born and also john rigby so we'll be hosting a

01:24:24.160 four day of gun making aboard quits spitfire flyovers cannons being fired and some uh good old-fashioned

01:24:31.460 british pomp and ceremony nice that sounds awesome that sounds really great

01:24:38.280 when was that when was the day that i missed it uh we'll just google it i'll google it now

01:24:45.020 that sounds amazing my kids would love that firing cannons oh yeah it's victory oh yeah my

01:24:52.560 my sons would be like oh it's amazing so i was once at edinburgh castle when they i think it might be

01:24:58.400 every single day but anyway i was there and they're firing blank firing artillery pieces and it's great

01:25:03.780 like the boom going right through your body yeah yeah yeah cool yeah

01:25:08.240 uh should we go to the next one yes just saying 2025

01:25:13.700 a bit of birdsong i guess i think it was just peaceful relaxing yeah yeah it is nice that spring's here thankfully

01:25:36.380 so the location video is a little bit depressing i feel bad for anybody that's stuck in a city but

01:25:42.600 i mean i'm like a country born and bred from kim so i think that it's good to ask people to look

01:25:47.100 at your surroundings and at your community and to be pro-social if there's crime but at the same time

01:25:52.960 you know peanut the squirrel that was a situation that was taken to a more ridiculous

01:25:57.120 end result because people were also trying to monitor their community

01:26:00.660 so i don't really know how to traverse this and i don't know if most people actually do

01:26:05.760 uh it's a long conversation that needs to be had the where where the appropriate sort of boundaries

01:26:12.820 of uh social interest begin and end uh but the peanut the squirrel thing was really more about the

01:26:19.940 state uh enforcing uh regulations against common sense so like no we have to kill the squirrel and

01:26:27.600 then dissect it see if it has rabies it's been living with him for five years clearly doesn't have

01:26:32.620 rabies you know the the guy you know obviously doesn't have rabies from the squirrel and so is

01:26:38.280 like just essentially malicious compliance by the state it's been like no we're taking the squirrel

01:26:42.820 because you shouldn't have it and now we need to check see oh it's dead now it's like oh that's

01:26:46.200 awful it was an awful like bureaucratic tyranny it was horrible the squirrel didn't do anything

01:26:51.560 exactly like when cops or the atf need to knock on your front door you own a dog and they just

01:26:56.660 kill the dog yeah so it could have been a threat yeah but there's my dog man you know yeah i hate

01:27:01.340 that or with the atf they just shoot your wife as we saw in the 90s ruby ridge oh and your children

01:27:08.380 monday is polling day for the canadian federal election i live in a safe liberal seat but was

01:27:15.280 shocked to hear interviews with people about vote intention on the local cbc radio

01:27:19.100 no pressure to say their party of choice but liberal supporters couldn't keep quiet including

01:27:23.680 one who intended on voting for bardish chaga because the voter is an immigrant and bardish

01:27:27.940 looks most like her anyway canadian media is so full of trump trump trump that most canadians

01:27:34.460 aren't voting for or against a local mp or the future prime minister but instead voting against

01:27:39.760 the head of state of a foreign country canada does realize that on paper it's like an independent

01:27:47.540 country right well the the really does just act like the northern outpost of america yeah but the

01:27:53.220 problem is it's because trump said he was going to annex it and he's just demolished the right wing

01:27:57.040 in canada by saying that like poliver went from being in the lead to being like second or third or

01:28:02.100 whatever so it's just like that was like but even such as before then canada's just acted like it's

01:28:08.460 like kind of america diet america yeah like basically

01:28:13.580 she is still asking me for another baby and it's like no darling no no no the two younger ones we

01:28:23.760 have now are just more than enough hassle and i'm just too old for another baby i'm too old and tired

01:28:28.640 to raise another child four is enough i've done my duty how is that not skill issue

01:28:35.580 skill issue

01:28:39.140 are you gonna rise to the challenge carl take this disrespect absolutely i'm not gonna rise to the

01:28:47.180 i like that you're being described as the virgin yeah yeah i've only had four i'm such a virgin

01:28:53.980 unless you go uh full elon anything short of nine and you failed your race single digits if i if i could

01:29:01.220 afford to have like literally my own town full of women who are raising my children maybe i'd do it

01:29:07.720 i can't deal with any of them exactly but i can all nag each other listen i'm the one who gets woken up

01:29:14.080 an hour before my alarm goes off every goddamn morning because my two youngest like my four-year-old

01:29:18.720 is able to open doors that my two-year-old can't open and they're such little partners in crime

01:29:23.280 right and these he's really smart as well like i went into my office uh to go to bed yesterday i'm

01:29:28.620 like where's my phone charger i don't know looking around for it for ages and marissa oh we better

01:29:32.740 check alexander's room so i go in there right and he's there asleep with the phone charger plugged

01:29:37.420 into the wall the thing turned on plugged into the the tablet and the tablet's on full charge and i'm

01:29:43.780 like he's four like i don't know how he knows how to do this like i haven't shown him how to do this

01:29:49.520 they can't write yeah i'm i'm already i already know that that's coming up because my daughter

01:29:55.060 she can reach the door handles in my parents house so when we visit the grandparents she can get

01:30:00.980 anywhere that she wants and she's just this close in my house to being able to reach them so but he

01:30:07.140 always breaks her out of her room in the morning and so it's just like you know hear them running

01:30:10.760 around yeah yeah no really is he he'll he'll spring her from the prison uh because you know

01:30:17.240 she can't reach the door so she's got to play in her room with her dolls and stuff no he'll spring

01:30:20.940 her and then they'll go and cause some trouble and i'm like oh man i need to sleep i just need

01:30:25.060 to sleep i just need an extra hour or two so yeah no yeah anyway i think that's all we've got time

01:30:30.800 for because we've got calvin robinson's common sense crusade in just half an hour so anyone with a

01:30:35.840 membership please tune into that for everybody else we'll see you again tomorrow at standard time

01:30:41.480 for the podcast so thanks you for joining us and take care

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - April 24, 2025

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