The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1157

00:00:00.400 Hello everyone, welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters.

00:00:03.860 This is Monday the 5th of May 2025 and this is episode number 1157.

00:00:10.280 I'm your host Stelios and I'm joined by Bo and Stephen Wolff.

00:00:13.800 Hello again, hi, how are you?

00:00:15.180 Hello, hi Steve and hi Bo.

00:00:17.540 Hey.

00:00:18.160 And today we're going to discuss German-style democracy,

00:00:22.420 Swindon's Iranian terror plot,

00:00:24.800 and the strategic locations that people are trying to occupy.

00:00:28.940 And how Labour belittles rape gang victims,

00:00:33.620 which is absolutely abhorrent.

00:00:35.580 Abhorrent.

00:00:36.940 Exactly.

00:00:38.260 Right, so should we start with the first segment?

00:00:43.540 Sure.

00:00:44.220 Right, so lots of people are getting banned from elections

00:00:46.880 and it seems that when people are talking about protecting democracy,

00:00:51.920 they seem to protect their democracy.

00:00:54.060 So let me just give you some examples.

00:00:56.080 We had Marie Le Pen, who was banned from the presidential elections of 2027.

00:01:02.220 We had Bolsonaro, who was banned from election in Brazil.

00:01:05.940 We have Giorgescu, Kalin Giorgescu in Romania,

00:01:09.140 whose election win was cancelled.

00:01:10.980 And we had a new event,

00:01:15.600 the designation of the AFD as an extremist group.

00:01:19.320 And all of that, obviously, in the name of protecting democracy

00:01:22.780 and the spirit of democracy.

00:01:24.520 And we are going to say a lot of things about it.

00:01:27.980 Now, there is a German federal intelligence agency called the BFV,

00:01:33.100 which is entrusted with protecting the Constitution.

00:01:36.860 And its supervisor is Nancy Facer.

00:01:40.960 She is the Minister of Interior Affairs

00:01:44.880 and she is a member of the SPD party.

00:01:48.300 And there has been a coalition with CDU and CSU.

00:01:53.760 And today they signed the coalition agreement.

00:01:58.240 She's in charge of one of the central intelligence agencies of Germany.

00:02:05.000 Now, just saying that.

00:02:07.320 Is that the equivalent of MI5 coming under the auspices of the Home Office,

00:02:12.300 who's got a political overlord in Parliament?

00:02:15.260 So you're going to have some sort of party or a political partisan overlord

00:02:23.020 on top of the intelligence agencies.

00:02:25.180 That's just the way it is.

00:02:27.280 Could be. There are similarities.

00:02:29.020 It looks like this is just for domestic affairs.

00:02:33.060 That would be equivalent of MI5, I would have thought.

00:02:35.320 We've got MI5 and Special Branch look after the security services of our internal

00:02:40.540 and MI6 is supposed to be external,

00:02:42.700 although we know recently there has been crossovers when there shouldn't be.

00:02:46.560 But hey-ho.

00:02:47.140 But MI5 comes under the Home Office, right?

00:02:50.100 Yes, it does.

00:02:51.120 MI6 comes under the Foreign Office.

00:02:52.640 That's right.

00:02:53.080 And there is a political view of that,

00:02:55.540 as well as having to report into COBRA.

00:02:57.760 Right.

00:02:58.400 So the Prime Minister will also have an understanding of this.

00:03:01.440 But it is a very interesting point that you raise,

00:03:03.300 that you've got a socialist,

00:03:05.020 because as I'm aware of that woman,

00:03:07.740 hasn't she made it very clear in previous statements

00:03:10.300 that she wants to ban the AFD as a political party?

00:03:13.340 She has made it crystal clear.

00:03:15.620 And not only that,

00:03:16.400 but she seems to be unsympathetic to several concerns

00:03:19.920 people have about the consecutive terror attacks in Germany.

00:03:25.100 I think after the attacks at the Solingen Festival,

00:03:28.820 which was a diversity festival,

00:03:30.580 she went out and said that knives should be banned.

00:03:33.600 So it's just deflection.

00:03:35.080 Knives.

00:03:35.800 Yes.

00:03:36.360 All knives.

00:03:36.900 So she's the Lucy Powell of Germany?

00:03:40.820 Probably.

00:03:42.040 So the first thing I hear when I think about,

00:03:46.320 when I hear governments announcing any party as extremist

00:03:50.940 or any person's views as extremist is,

00:03:53.140 is there sufficient evidence?

00:03:55.400 Because that's the way I think about it.

00:03:57.420 When someone makes the claim,

00:03:59.200 they need to justify the claim,

00:04:01.620 especially when they have political power.

00:04:03.540 And it looks like many Germans aren't reacting that way.

00:04:08.340 They are straightforwardly trusting the government.

00:04:12.280 A lot of them in several polls seem to be saying that,

00:04:16.840 yeah,

00:04:16.960 the AFD should be banned.

00:04:18.400 So instead of requesting evidence from the German government

00:04:24.140 and from that agency,

00:04:27.280 they seem to be just going along with it.

00:04:30.220 Isn't there also some sort of parallel there

00:04:31.900 between just those that are AFD partisans

00:04:35.600 and those that aren't?

00:04:36.780 A bit like Trump.

00:04:37.520 You've got,

00:04:37.820 it splits almost 50-50.

00:04:39.540 Yeah.

00:04:39.720 You've got the never Trumpers TDS crowd.

00:04:43.240 You've got the MAGA crowd.

00:04:45.400 And it's just,

00:04:47.160 so these polls are just showing

00:04:48.660 the opinion of anti-AFD people.

00:04:51.760 Exactly, yes.

00:04:52.860 And they are people who just don't demand evidence.

00:04:56.700 Because let us just look at it here.

00:04:59.960 It says,

00:05:00.740 the agency cited a xenophobic,

00:05:04.180 anti-minority,

00:05:05.320 Islamophobic rhetoric

00:05:06.440 among the reasons for the designation.

00:05:08.940 The label gives authorities

00:05:10.100 more power to investigate the far-right party.

00:05:13.100 Now, to my mind,

00:05:14.200 if they had evidence,

00:05:16.200 hard evidence,

00:05:17.300 that suggested any kind of involvement

00:05:19.660 in criminal activity,

00:05:22.200 they would just go forward with it on the headline.

00:05:24.520 They wouldn't just hide something

00:05:26.460 of that caliber and importance

00:05:28.360 under an asterisk

00:05:29.960 or at the bottom of the page.

00:05:31.280 Well, this is the same sort of method

00:05:33.100 that they used in Austria

00:05:34.640 when they went against Kirk,

00:05:37.640 who was in charge there.

00:05:38.680 But prior to that,

00:05:39.500 with the destruction of the leader

00:05:42.100 of his party after that,

00:05:43.880 when they claimed that he was in bed

00:05:46.100 with a Russian business person

00:05:48.620 who was trying to pervert them.

00:05:50.860 They'd made the statements.

00:05:52.340 They said we were going to investigate.

00:05:54.160 Then they made the claims.

00:05:55.300 But they never actually have approved it after that.

00:05:57.700 And if you look at this,

00:05:58.700 I think it's very similar

00:05:59.580 to what they're doing with Marie Le Pen

00:06:00.860 in the European Parliament.

00:06:02.280 They needed a power to investigate them,

00:06:04.680 to find something.

00:06:06.500 I suspect that's what they're trying to do here.

00:06:08.720 Exactly.

00:06:09.220 Classic straight from the playbook, isn't it?

00:06:10.580 Like, do you remember when Rachel Maddow and Co

00:06:12.840 tried to say in the first Trump administration

00:06:14.700 that he's just Putin's puppet?

00:06:17.020 Yeah.

00:06:17.400 Or even now, some people say,

00:06:18.900 Nigel Farage is friends with Putin.

00:06:20.900 It's like, find anything.

00:06:23.180 Or if you scroll back up to the top real quick,

00:06:25.240 where they just say,

00:06:26.420 they use the words xenophobic,

00:06:28.140 anti-minority and Islamophobic,

00:06:29.660 that could mean anything, couldn't it?

00:06:31.680 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:06:32.660 If you're just nativist,

00:06:33.900 then by definition,

00:06:34.720 they could say, oh, you're xenophobic.

00:06:35.840 And that's what they said, essentially.

00:06:38.100 The most specific thing they said

00:06:42.020 is that the AFD has an ancestry-based conception

00:06:45.080 of people,

00:06:46.220 which is incompatible with democracy.

00:06:48.600 Which, I mean, historically, it isn't.

00:06:51.060 It just isn't.

00:06:52.060 It just isn't.

00:06:52.740 What crazy, commie nonsense, right?

00:06:55.460 Well, the Chinese wouldn't have that, would they?

00:06:57.320 Right, yeah.

00:06:58.220 So, according to the DW article,

00:07:02.100 it says that the BFV said in its decision

00:07:05.680 that the ethnicity and ancestry-based conception

00:07:08.560 of the people that predominates within the party

00:07:11.420 is not compatible with a free democratic order.

00:07:14.380 It cited the xenophobic, anti-minority,

00:07:16.540 Islamophobic and anti-Muslim statements

00:07:18.860 made by leading party officials.

00:07:21.000 And the party aims to exclude certain population groups

00:07:23.520 from equal participation in society

00:07:25.760 to subject them to treatment that violates the Constitution

00:07:28.300 and thereby assign them a legally subordinate status,

00:07:31.380 the agency said.

00:07:32.340 Now, I think that this completely misses the whole point,

00:07:36.500 which is the point that the AFD is raising,

00:07:38.780 is that a lot of people have been given rights and benefits

00:07:42.380 in an unconstitutional manner.

00:07:44.740 So, there seems to be no contradiction with the Constitution

00:07:50.600 if you say people who were given some rights and benefits

00:07:54.580 contrary to the Constitution

00:07:56.420 should be deprived of those very rights and benefits.

00:08:00.400 I mean, that's a very logical argument to make,

00:08:02.660 and you can see what they're trying to say.

00:08:05.760 But I would look at the Constitution.

00:08:07.480 Is the Constitution really that clear

00:08:09.280 that it actually says

00:08:10.900 that you can exclude certain population groups

00:08:13.980 from equal participation in society,

00:08:15.880 that every government does that.

00:08:18.100 If you look at asylum applicants,

00:08:20.000 they're not given equal rights across the whole of society

00:08:23.120 because they've not been given the right to remain here.

00:08:26.720 So, that's automatically something that occurs.

00:08:29.660 So, therefore, on that principle alone,

00:08:31.940 all the political parties would fall foul

00:08:33.900 of what they're absolutely saying at this stage.

00:08:36.140 Also, aren't they denying the AFD members

00:08:40.800 equal participation rights in society?

00:08:43.280 Just asking.

00:08:44.400 Yeah, yeah, the irony of it.

00:08:45.760 I mean, the AFD aren't even that based, like reform.

00:08:49.140 They're not that...

00:08:50.500 They're not crazy at all.

00:08:51.540 So, like, if you just say,

00:08:52.760 actually, I don't want my country flooded

00:08:54.700 with unvetted Muslims.

00:08:56.840 Actually, I don't want all my churches burnt down

00:08:59.100 and or converted to mosques.

00:09:00.920 Oh, you're xenophobic, anti-minority, Islamophobic.

00:09:03.460 It's like, oh, no, I just don't want my country destroyed.

00:09:06.840 And it's very interesting,

00:09:07.840 if you actually look at the AFD equivalent of MPs

00:09:10.960 and also their members,

00:09:13.420 there are those who, as we see within the Conservative Party,

00:09:16.480 be regarded as very left, almost liberal.

00:09:20.640 For those who go on like Van Stork,

00:09:23.080 who's regarded as one of the more outspoken,

00:09:26.040 I think, although she's still in the party.

00:09:27.780 I'm not sure she is anymore.

00:09:29.260 But she's regarded as more of an outlying right winger.

00:09:32.240 So, they have a broader spectrum of people

00:09:34.880 within that party.

00:09:37.120 Much more to the right than we are actually here in the UK

00:09:39.860 and much more to the right than, say, you would say would reform.

00:09:42.980 But nonetheless, they have a balanced group of individuals.

00:09:46.960 Here, they cite example of some individuals

00:09:50.860 that are in the party,

00:09:52.220 which have made some statements

00:09:53.980 that may seem a bit beyond the pale,

00:09:58.300 definitely according to these people.

00:10:00.160 But what is interesting is that

00:10:01.840 it's one thing to localise the claim to individuals,

00:10:08.000 quite another to ban the whole party.

00:10:09.680 And let's not kid ourselves,

00:10:11.420 they're trying to ban the AFD for many years now.

00:10:14.020 I did an interview with Peter Boehringer a year or two ago.

00:10:18.600 I don't know if anyone remembers that.

00:10:20.100 It's on the website, lottocitis.com.

00:10:21.620 Do check that out.

00:10:22.360 I'm not sure if it's behind the table or not.

00:10:23.640 I don't think it is.

00:10:24.600 But he's one of, I think, quite a few deputy chair people,

00:10:28.140 or he was back then.

00:10:29.280 Yeah.

00:10:29.660 And he's a completely reasonable person.

00:10:32.060 They had him on GB News as well.

00:10:33.760 A completely reasonable person.

00:10:35.680 I was too based for him.

00:10:38.180 Asked him a couple of questions that he sort of balked out a bit.

00:10:40.480 I was like, can we sort of not go there?

00:10:41.940 It's completely reasonable stuff.

00:10:44.420 And that's the very interesting point about it.

00:10:46.420 Marcus Pretzel, who is a fellow MEP with me,

00:10:49.740 one of the few AFD members at the time,

00:10:51.860 and has actually looked upon at that stage

00:10:53.960 as being one of the leading lights,

00:10:55.860 would have been regarded as a completely kind of centrist,

00:10:59.420 Kennedy-style type of politician from the AFD.

00:11:03.260 And what that shows to me is how left German politics is,

00:11:08.520 how kind of controlled that they are as a nation.

00:11:12.760 But more than that,

00:11:13.560 how actually controlled the people of Germany are.

00:11:16.420 Because despite everything that's occurring all around them,

00:11:19.460 the terrorist acts, the mass movement of people,

00:11:22.360 the poverty that's occurring in areas,

00:11:24.280 the fact that the East is left on its own compared to the West,

00:11:29.420 is that they're not seeing it in the way that Britain didn't see it.

00:11:32.760 But it's catching up very quickly,

00:11:35.020 hence the reason and the rise for the AFD.

00:11:37.440 But more importantly,

00:11:38.400 hence the reason you've got this mass divide down the country.

00:11:41.560 Eastern AFD, Western liberalism, as they call it.

00:11:45.880 But I call it Western weakness.

00:11:48.400 Exactly.

00:11:49.020 And speaking of how the left has, in a sense,

00:11:53.180 conquered Germany, at least ideologically,

00:11:55.360 here we have the federal minister of the interior and community,

00:12:00.040 Nancy Fazer, who is a member of the SPD.

00:12:04.360 And she was just, her party just lost the election.

00:12:08.080 Yes.

00:12:08.460 Big time.

00:12:09.520 And she was given the leadership of,

00:12:12.660 or the supervision of,

00:12:15.700 one of the biggest federal intelligence agencies of Germany.

00:12:19.220 Is it still just all jerry-rigged,

00:12:21.280 and they got to make a coalition?

00:12:22.440 Yes.

00:12:22.700 And she gets to stay in government.

00:12:24.440 Okay.

00:12:24.860 This comes from three hours ago.

00:12:27.300 Germany updates conservative-led coalition signs agreement.

00:12:31.620 The CDU, CSU, and SPD have signed their coalition agreement.

00:12:35.700 And this is interesting here,

00:12:37.020 because we vote for overall agendas.

00:12:40.740 We don't vote for specific policies.

00:12:43.400 There has been zero referendums,

00:12:45.840 there's a referendum in Germany for mass migration.

00:12:48.820 And this is essentially what the AFD has turned into its flag.

00:12:53.040 It says lots of people,

00:12:54.740 due to the practice of mass migration,

00:12:57.500 and uncontrolled migration,

00:12:59.020 which is unconstitutional,

00:13:01.280 because without borders you have no country,

00:13:03.440 have rights,

00:13:04.780 and this is making the country worse.

00:13:08.720 It's as simple as that.

00:13:10.500 So how do you deal with this?

00:13:12.360 You have to rectify,

00:13:14.360 you have to correct your mistake.

00:13:18.060 The same way if someone was incarcerated,

00:13:21.040 and was guilty,

00:13:22.160 and was out of a mistake,

00:13:23.440 was let out,

00:13:24.540 that person would have more liberties when they were out.

00:13:28.480 You would have to bring them back.

00:13:30.580 I'm not making an equation,

00:13:32.560 I'm talking about the issue in principle.

00:13:33.960 And let's not kid ourselves,

00:13:38.760 it is for years now

00:13:40.220 that the German establishment

00:13:42.260 is trying to ban the AFD,

00:13:44.240 and you would expect them for years now

00:13:46.980 to bring more hard evidence

00:13:48.420 to support their claims,

00:13:50.940 rather than just hiding behind the rhetoric

00:13:54.280 of a critical justice theorist.

00:13:56.500 And the AFD is rising in popularity.

00:14:01.340 And here it's tragic because,

00:14:04.000 on the one hand,

00:14:04.700 because it shows that the German government

00:14:06.420 has a very clear dilemma in front of,

00:14:09.400 is faced with a very clear dilemma.

00:14:11.680 On the one hand,

00:14:12.400 they either gain the support of the German people

00:14:15.580 by governing well,

00:14:17.620 or they try to ban the opposition.

00:14:19.680 And it seems like they're choosing the latter.

00:14:22.400 By choosing to ban the latter,

00:14:24.680 we're doing no different than what they do in China,

00:14:27.700 no different than what they do in Putin's government,

00:14:32.180 which we say is anti-democratic.

00:14:34.640 When you take out Marie Le Pen,

00:14:36.260 when you take out George Escu,

00:14:37.680 when you take out the AFD,

00:14:39.460 you've ceased to become a democratic nation.

00:14:42.220 You've actually become a totalitarian nation.

00:14:45.000 And where you've got 26% of the population,

00:14:48.040 and in some areas of Germany,

00:14:49.820 is way beyond that.

00:14:51.560 You're actually saying these people don't matter.

00:14:53.300 We don't care about you.

00:14:55.140 You should just get back in your little box,

00:14:58.020 do as we tell you what to do,

00:15:00.060 and when you allow you to work,

00:15:01.880 we'll let you work,

00:15:02.620 and when we allow you to vote,

00:15:03.620 we'll let you vote.

00:15:04.520 But as long as you're doing as we say,

00:15:06.780 that's okay.

00:15:07.700 But the moment you complain,

00:15:09.220 I'm sorry, you're now an extremist.

00:15:11.360 You're a nasty individual.

00:15:12.740 You should be locked up.

00:15:13.840 What difference is that to communism,

00:15:16.960 and what happened in Germany before,

00:15:19.420 sorry, after the Nazis?

00:15:21.240 To be honest, it's before and after.

00:15:22.760 It's the same.

00:15:23.460 Eastern Germany,

00:15:24.880 and compared to Western Germany,

00:15:26.060 it's the same mentality.

00:15:27.620 And that mentality is a universal Western ideology

00:15:31.820 that's been created in our universities.

00:15:33.820 And with all the examples you gave,

00:15:37.120 like Bolsonaro,

00:15:38.620 oh, there's just endless examples.

00:15:40.040 They tried to do it to Trump, didn't they?

00:15:41.820 They tried to do it to Trump in a bigger scale.

00:15:44.100 Just all over the world,

00:15:45.740 as you talk about keeping them in their box,

00:15:47.980 I think more of it like a pressure cooker,

00:15:49.880 where they've turned off the valve

00:15:52.540 to release any sort of pressure.

00:15:54.560 Now, just keep that pressure cooker contained.

00:15:56.820 So, in the broadest sense,

00:15:59.780 that strategy is disastrous.

00:16:02.960 My question comes to me, then,

00:16:04.320 is you've got these people

00:16:05.440 who are actually employed by our security services.

00:16:08.840 In our case, MI5, MI6, Special Branch.

00:16:11.740 What sort of individuals are they?

00:16:13.620 What sort of people are they?

00:16:15.120 How undignified and indecent

00:16:17.920 are these individuals to think

00:16:19.740 that they're the only ones that are right,

00:16:21.800 and just because someone has a differential opinion,

00:16:24.160 that they can be regarded as extremist?

00:16:25.860 What is extremist is their view,

00:16:28.140 their opinions.

00:16:29.060 They're the extremists,

00:16:30.740 and they're the ones guarding us.

00:16:32.560 And I'm really, really worried

00:16:34.180 about these individuals.

00:16:35.340 I'm also worried because they constantly

00:16:37.340 talk about protecting democracy,

00:16:39.600 and you can have no democracy without a demos.

00:16:41.340 I don't really understand what democracy means.

00:16:42.840 But you can't have democracy without a demos,

00:16:45.300 and they are essentially trying to ban everyone

00:16:48.720 who is saying our demos is being disintegrated

00:16:52.780 by the policies of this establishment.

00:16:54.740 I think it's very simple.

00:16:56.360 Democracy to them is whoever keeps them in power

00:16:58.940 and enables them to have a nice pension

00:17:01.000 and be able to retire somewhere one day

00:17:02.960 whilst everybody else is living in crap.

00:17:06.040 We had a comment by...

00:17:07.900 I'm sorry. I'd say words like that.

00:17:08.720 That's fine.

00:17:09.140 ...secretary Marco Rubio said

00:17:10.960 Germany just gave its spy agency

00:17:13.300 new powers to surveil the opposition.

00:17:15.160 That's not democracy.

00:17:16.100 It's tyranny in disguise.

00:17:16.880 And we had the response by the German Foreign Office.

00:17:21.700 This is democracy.

00:17:23.260 This decision is the result of a thorough

00:17:25.100 and independent investigation

00:17:26.740 to protect our constitution and the rule of law.

00:17:29.440 It is independent courts that will have the final say.

00:17:32.340 We have learned from our history

00:17:33.660 that right-wing extremism needs to be stopped.

00:17:36.840 Now, I want to say that this reply seems to me to be misleading

00:17:41.840 because the whole question that is left unanswered is

00:17:46.080 where is the hard evidence?

00:17:48.620 Unless hard evidence is given for saying that the AFD

00:17:54.440 is essentially tied to criminal activity,

00:17:58.260 all calls to ban it seem to be unconstitutional,

00:18:02.380 undemocratic, but also unjust.

00:18:03.840 I think what they're looking at is their constitution

00:18:06.240 is not regarding it as criminal activity to say that.

00:18:08.500 On that particular point, if we go back,

00:18:10.760 I actually put my own tweet on this,

00:18:13.500 which is the decision of a thorough independent investigation.

00:18:18.120 We've already looked at the woman who's in charge.

00:18:20.660 She is not independent when you already said

00:18:23.180 that I want to ban them,

00:18:24.700 notwithstanding whatever they do

00:18:26.300 because I just dislike them.

00:18:27.640 So that's a breach.

00:18:28.880 The constitution, secondly,

00:18:30.220 isn't clear on these particular issues.

00:18:32.280 So therefore, and someone from Germany pointed that out to me,

00:18:36.480 and independent courts that will have the final say.

00:18:39.120 They're not necessarily independent courts

00:18:40.800 in the way that we see them here.

00:18:42.900 The constitutional courts that they will go to

00:18:45.300 are actually state-controlled

00:18:47.320 with people who are imposed on those positions,

00:18:50.120 particularly like we have in the European Court of Human Rights.

00:18:53.000 So three points in their response worries me.

00:18:56.520 And the very fact that they don't see it

00:18:58.900 as being anti-democratic and tyrannical

00:19:02.340 is more concerning to me

00:19:04.480 when they put that statement out.

00:19:06.280 It goes again once more

00:19:07.640 to who are the individuals.

00:19:10.140 And I'm trying to focus now

00:19:11.380 on each individual that makes these decisions.

00:19:14.280 What makes that person tick?

00:19:16.800 Why have they become so tyrannical?

00:19:19.560 Why are they complaining about Putin

00:19:21.880 when they're actually acting like Putin?

00:19:24.640 And one other issue to ask here,

00:19:27.380 especially in Germany,

00:19:28.500 is whether the same coalition governs all the time

00:19:33.200 and it's just CDU-led or SPD-led.

00:19:39.520 Because it looks like the Germans voted against the SPD

00:19:43.400 and the SPD found its way back into the government

00:19:46.580 by being a coalition member.

00:19:49.900 You can blame the Americans on that.

00:19:51.120 And I'm afraid from my friends in the United States,

00:19:53.620 it was your State Department

00:19:55.480 that decided to help draft the rules for Germany

00:19:58.300 after the Second World War.

00:19:59.920 It wasn't the Brits and it wasn't Europeans.

00:20:02.040 And this was created in such a way

00:20:03.480 that you would only ever get the people

00:20:05.320 that they wanted and selected at that time put in power.

00:20:07.860 West Germany.

00:20:09.060 Yeah, in West Germany.

00:20:09.860 Right, and we have here a tweet by Ralph Schollhammer,

00:20:13.820 a friend of the show who says,

00:20:15.460 the same people who demand cultural and ethnic sovereignty

00:20:18.380 for Ukraine and the Ukrainians

00:20:19.760 want to ban the AFD for wanting the same

00:20:22.240 for Germany and the Germans.

00:20:24.340 Speaking of the hypocrisy that you just pointed out

00:20:27.600 a few minutes ago.

00:20:29.180 Right, so there was a poll here

00:20:30.920 and it said that almost 50% of Germans

00:20:34.740 backed the AFD plan.

00:20:37.000 Obviously, this is a poll,

00:20:38.240 but I would say that this is particularly worrying

00:20:41.220 because it looks like the people here

00:20:44.440 who make these decisions

00:20:45.740 and are entrusted with making these decisions

00:20:48.140 seem to be particularly ignorant of the literature

00:20:51.480 of totalitarianism and authoritarianism

00:20:54.360 in the 20th century.

00:20:58.080 Never asking the government

00:20:59.980 to justify its calls to ban its opposition

00:21:04.880 isn't exactly the recipe

00:21:06.840 to prevent authoritarianism

00:21:08.340 or totalitarianism from rising.

00:21:10.340 Just saying.

00:21:12.520 And also, it seems like there is

00:21:15.680 a very interesting discussion

00:21:17.280 as to why this happens all the time.

00:21:21.140 Some people are saying that

00:21:22.500 it's a natural tendency in human beings

00:21:25.400 to just trust the government.

00:21:26.780 Others are saying that

00:21:27.760 it's not necessarily human,

00:21:29.700 but it's sometimes relative to the culture.

00:21:33.560 A friend of mine, Benedict Beckel,

00:21:35.240 has written a very interesting article on this

00:21:38.180 called German is Lingering Hegelianism.

00:21:40.640 He has appeared on the show several times.

00:21:43.340 I've interviewed him

00:21:44.240 and we've spoken about multiculturalism

00:21:46.840 a few months ago.

00:21:48.380 And he seems to be saying that

00:21:50.080 for some reason,

00:21:50.860 there seems to be something deeply ingrained

00:21:52.600 in German culture

00:21:53.980 that leads them to be

00:21:55.660 almost invariably state worshippers.

00:22:00.340 That's definitely an article

00:22:01.980 you should read.

00:22:03.920 I think it's also the way

00:22:04.920 that we've indoctrinated

00:22:05.880 after the Second World War

00:22:08.300 that Germans were such murderous,

00:22:10.760 heinous individuals

00:22:11.980 that they could go away

00:22:13.100 and actually support a political party

00:22:15.300 that committed all the murders

00:22:18.060 that it did against the Jews

00:22:19.480 and others.

00:22:21.320 That it's your fault.

00:22:23.980 And therefore,

00:22:24.680 you must trust those from now on

00:22:26.260 who don't want to do that.

00:22:28.600 Exactly.

00:22:29.000 And so you've been indoctrinated culturally

00:22:32.200 to not actually love your country

00:22:34.060 in the same way

00:22:34.720 apart from sports and football

00:22:36.620 and all the rest of it

00:22:37.560 and have a few beers

00:22:38.340 down at the beer keller.

00:22:39.540 But actually,

00:22:40.220 you don't really love yourselves.

00:22:42.200 Actually,

00:22:42.700 your self is only being allowed

00:22:44.580 to be loved

00:22:45.240 by what we're telling you

00:22:47.040 you can love.

00:22:48.320 So if you want to love your culture

00:22:49.660 in the way it was,

00:22:50.840 if you want to love your ancestry

00:22:52.140 and your history,

00:22:52.980 which was generally pretty good,

00:22:55.500 you know,

00:22:55.880 save for that particular period of time,

00:22:58.820 then there's something wrong with you

00:23:00.520 if you do.

00:23:01.680 So just love what we tell you

00:23:03.400 you can love.

00:23:04.060 What an evil and poisonous narrative that is.

00:23:06.300 It is.

00:23:06.920 Disgusting.

00:23:07.440 And quite another thing

00:23:09.460 that it neglects,

00:23:10.760 straightforwardly from the literature

00:23:12.600 that warns against totalitarianism

00:23:16.260 and authoritarianism,

00:23:17.440 is that they forget the principle of reaction.

00:23:21.340 It looks like that for every action

00:23:23.060 there's an equal reaction.

00:23:24.860 The more they push this really radical narrative,

00:23:28.140 the more they are creating the conditions

00:23:32.000 of a powder keg,

00:23:33.320 that I don't want this to happen,

00:23:36.100 just to be very clear,

00:23:37.720 but it looks like the more you press,

00:23:39.960 pressure a situation to the extreme,

00:23:43.060 the more the voices that call

00:23:45.000 for the opposite extreme gain prominence.

00:23:47.740 So it doesn't,

00:23:49.280 these don't seem to be actions

00:23:50.860 of a state or an establishment

00:23:52.700 that wants to prevent authoritarianism from rising.

00:23:56.040 No, I actually think they actually want authoritarianism.

00:23:58.740 I think there is a structured plan

00:23:59.980 that now is being considered

00:24:01.860 that if you can push the people far enough

00:24:04.040 and hard enough on a particular issue,

00:24:06.100 let's say this in Germany,

00:24:07.740 that if you get a massive rebellious reaction,

00:24:10.860 violent offences in Eastern Germany,

00:24:13.380 they can turn around and say,

00:24:14.800 see, there's the extremism,

00:24:17.480 ladies and gentlemen.

00:24:18.640 So we now have to put them down

00:24:20.400 like the ants that they are.

00:24:22.020 Let's crush them with our hefty boot

00:24:24.480 and then implement more extreme regulations

00:24:27.540 and legislation,

00:24:28.760 which again is what security services love

00:24:31.060 because all they want you to do

00:24:32.640 is get up in the morning,

00:24:33.480 go to work, shut your mouth,

00:24:35.020 come back home,

00:24:36.060 go to the mall,

00:24:36.940 watch your TV,

00:24:37.680 which we control.

00:24:38.860 And as long as they're doing that,

00:24:40.100 they're perfectly happy

00:24:40.920 to be able to go and put their feet up

00:24:42.660 and go and enjoy themselves.

00:24:44.540 Lazy people that they are.

00:24:46.440 I nearly said,

00:24:47.300 you know,

00:24:47.660 song title.

00:24:49.440 And you can see that I have no respect

00:24:51.960 for people in our security services

00:24:53.920 at the moment whatsoever

00:24:54.900 because I think they are part and parcel

00:24:57.040 of a way of just ensuring

00:24:58.880 that people in our country

00:25:00.460 are impoverished forever

00:25:01.520 and don't have any respect for themselves.

00:25:03.420 It's just absolutely that gambit

00:25:05.780 of goading someone,

00:25:07.660 poking them with a stick,

00:25:09.000 poking them in the eye

00:25:09.680 until they go berserk

00:25:11.140 and start throwing punches

00:25:12.120 and kicks and elbows.

00:25:13.160 Then it's your fault.

00:25:13.740 And then you're the aggressor.

00:25:15.420 That's right.

00:25:16.400 And they love it.

00:25:16.940 We have here the AFD suing

00:25:22.500 the BFV over the extremist label.

00:25:26.180 And I want to end with,

00:25:28.260 again,

00:25:28.920 talking about evidence.

00:25:31.240 I think the healthier mentality

00:25:33.720 in this case,

00:25:34.680 at least the mentality

00:25:35.480 that is suited to be against totalitarianism

00:25:38.820 is the one that says that

00:25:40.520 rights shouldn't be treated

00:25:42.400 as privileges granted

00:25:44.940 at a bureaucrat's discretion.

00:25:46.940 So when we have governments

00:25:48.420 and establishments

00:25:49.520 that are trying to push forward

00:25:52.080 really radical action

00:25:54.160 against their opponents,

00:25:55.820 the first reaction should be,

00:25:57.620 is there sufficient evidence?

00:25:59.680 And is there any hard evidence?

00:26:02.460 Not just disagreements,

00:26:04.640 not just pointing out things

00:26:07.120 that a woke professor

00:26:09.280 just wouldn't find palatable.

00:26:12.320 That's not enough.

00:26:13.520 I mean,

00:26:15.080 just on the evidence again

00:26:16.060 of when I spoke to Peter Boehringer,

00:26:18.420 he was so,

00:26:19.780 and I don't mean this

00:26:20.560 as a criticism of the man,

00:26:21.580 but he was quite milquetoast,

00:26:23.200 to be honest.

00:26:23.760 There was two,

00:26:24.460 three or four things

00:26:25.440 I asked him about

00:26:26.200 and he just said,

00:26:27.420 I asked him about like

00:26:28.040 the Merkel wave,

00:26:29.340 I asked him about the Ukrainian,

00:26:31.240 so the pipeline getting blown up,

00:26:33.260 I asked him about American bases

00:26:35.420 all over Germany

00:26:36.360 and all of them.

00:26:37.160 He's like,

00:26:37.360 I just can't comment on it

00:26:39.640 because it's too dangerous.

00:26:41.000 People,

00:26:41.920 politically,

00:26:42.520 too dangerous.

00:26:43.540 People in my country

00:26:44.640 will just point at me

00:26:45.560 and say,

00:26:46.000 you're talking extremism.

00:26:48.200 Well,

00:26:48.340 I just asked for an opinion

00:26:49.280 about American bases

00:26:50.540 and he's like,

00:26:51.000 I'm sorry,

00:26:52.180 I can't.

00:26:52.640 And that's it.

00:26:53.100 That's how controlled they are.

00:26:54.520 That's how dangerous

00:26:55.440 this particular is.

00:26:57.160 And you say it,

00:26:58.820 when America,

00:26:59.500 they turn around

00:27:00.020 and say you've lost democracy

00:27:01.240 and freedom of speech.

00:27:03.600 They're right.

00:27:04.320 They're absolutely right.

00:27:06.420 But in Germany,

00:27:07.620 they don't recognize it

00:27:08.820 because culturally,

00:27:10.300 only those in power are right.

00:27:13.100 We have the narrative.

00:27:14.740 We know what we're saying.

00:27:15.920 You believe what we do.

00:27:17.960 And to say what you said about that,

00:27:19.960 not being able to express an opinion,

00:27:22.080 is a classic example

00:27:23.380 of totalitarianism.

00:27:26.000 Right.

00:27:26.700 We don't have any comment

00:27:28.540 for the ramble chat.

00:27:30.640 No ramble rents.

00:27:31.800 No ramble rents.

00:27:33.000 Yeah.

00:27:33.540 Alrighty.

00:27:34.820 It's time to go

00:27:35.380 to the second segment.

00:27:37.420 Okay.

00:27:37.900 So over the weekend,

00:27:39.140 it seems that there were,

00:27:40.200 well,

00:27:40.600 there was more than one

00:27:41.660 alleged terrorist plot

00:27:44.100 rumbled in the UK.

00:27:45.500 More than one.

00:27:46.340 Yeah.

00:27:47.760 Seemingly coming from Iran.

00:27:49.760 So I thought it was just,

00:27:50.780 we need to talk about this a bit.

00:27:52.480 Yes.

00:27:53.240 I thought,

00:27:53.680 because,

00:27:54.020 you know,

00:27:54.560 all over the Western world,

00:27:55.720 all over the world,

00:27:56.520 there's terrorist issues.

00:27:58.200 But these two

00:27:59.000 seem to be coming from,

00:27:59.980 specifically from Iran,

00:28:00.840 sort of state actors in Iran,

00:28:02.460 if we believe what we're told.

00:28:04.640 There's not that much information

00:28:06.720 coming out just yet.

00:28:08.100 All the,

00:28:08.840 I've lined up like a number of things,

00:28:10.480 like AP,

00:28:11.020 Reuters,

00:28:11.700 Guardian,

00:28:12.160 BBC,

00:28:12.720 Sky,

00:28:12.900 they've all got sort of the same quotes,

00:28:15.480 the same sort of,

00:28:16.200 the same sort of small number of soundbites

00:28:19.480 that they're allowed,

00:28:20.340 that they're going with at the moment.

00:28:22.280 We'll see if and when these people

00:28:23.680 ever come up for trial,

00:28:24.680 what actually is going on.

00:28:26.060 So first of all,

00:28:26.960 what was it?

00:28:27.940 Was it on Saturday,

00:28:29.600 there were two different,

00:28:31.200 two different groups of people,

00:28:33.380 eight men in total,

00:28:34.700 seven of which were Iranian nationals,

00:28:37.380 but two different groups.

00:28:38.300 And apparently they're saying

00:28:39.320 they're not connected.

00:28:41.680 But okay,

00:28:42.200 I mean,

00:28:42.400 that's sort of more worrying in a way.

00:28:44.340 The fact that they're Iranian.

00:28:46.440 Yeah.

00:28:48.540 So I thought I'd read it

00:28:49.800 just a little bit

00:28:50.620 just to give you what

00:28:51.320 the mainstream media

00:28:52.420 is sort of telling us.

00:28:53.220 Five men

00:28:53.760 are continuing to be questioned

00:28:56.620 by police

00:28:57.140 over an alleged terror plot

00:28:58.560 in the UK.

00:28:59.140 The men including

00:28:59.700 four Iranian nationals

00:29:00.860 are being held

00:29:01.900 over an alleged plan

00:29:03.260 to quote,

00:29:03.680 target a specific premises

00:29:05.440 the Metropolitan Police said.

00:29:07.220 There's been some speculation,

00:29:08.820 and I stress this,

00:29:09.460 absolute speculation,

00:29:10.740 whether it's sort of

00:29:11.660 Iranian expat journalists,

00:29:13.780 which often seems to be

00:29:15.460 an Iranian state target,

00:29:18.400 you know,

00:29:18.980 other Iranians

00:29:19.760 just in the West,

00:29:20.680 whether it's France,

00:29:21.380 Britain,

00:29:21.660 America,

00:29:22.100 wherever,

00:29:22.760 that are anti-Iranian

00:29:24.420 and say so openly

00:29:25.800 in the West,

00:29:26.840 they get targeted by...

00:29:28.120 They're going for Maya 2C2.

00:29:29.680 Maya 2C2,

00:29:30.480 God,

00:29:30.940 yeah.

00:29:32.540 Or whether some say...

00:29:33.260 He's not particularly liked by them.

00:29:34.620 No,

00:29:34.900 I wouldn't know,

00:29:35.400 because he's vocal

00:29:36.860 against them,

00:29:37.520 isn't he?

00:29:37.760 He is.

00:29:38.280 Or whether they were

00:29:39.240 going to target

00:29:39.820 a Jewish

00:29:41.940 or Israeli embassy

00:29:43.120 or something,

00:29:43.600 we don't know.

00:29:44.720 That's just pure speculation,

00:29:46.560 but the line is

00:29:48.180 target a specific premises,

00:29:49.800 so God knows really

00:29:50.740 what it is,

00:29:51.540 whether we'll ever find out.

00:29:52.900 They were arrested

00:29:53.560 in Swindon,

00:29:55.140 in the West Country,

00:29:56.640 where we are,

00:29:57.720 of all places.

00:29:58.560 Yeah.

00:29:59.000 West London,

00:29:59.640 Stockport,

00:30:00.100 Rochdale and Manchester.

00:30:01.680 And we were joking

00:30:02.220 just before we came,

00:30:03.000 just before we went live,

00:30:04.680 that like,

00:30:05.440 somewhere in the Iranian

00:30:06.700 deep state,

00:30:07.880 they're looking at

00:30:08.720 sort of,

00:30:09.540 Westminster,

00:30:10.500 Whitehall,

00:30:11.100 RAF bases,

00:30:12.360 and Swindon High Street,

00:30:13.840 apparently.

00:30:16.280 I'm joking,

00:30:17.160 of course,

00:30:17.560 it's,

00:30:17.820 why would,

00:30:19.080 it doesn't,

00:30:19.500 it's crazy.

00:30:19.920 People are barbers out there

00:30:20.840 that are not under our control,

00:30:22.120 take them out.

00:30:22.780 Right,

00:30:23.260 yeah,

00:30:24.180 yeah,

00:30:24.520 we need complete,

00:30:25.460 full spectrum dominance

00:30:26.520 of barbers in Wiltshire,

00:30:29.460 Tehran.

00:30:30.940 Yes,

00:30:31.340 this is how we get our boys in,

00:30:32.920 get all the barbers in England,

00:30:34.760 and go on,

00:30:35.480 the Afghans have got some,

00:30:36.560 take them out.

00:30:37.940 There's one Iraqi controlled barber

00:30:40.340 still left in Swindon.

00:30:41.620 Yes,

00:30:42.080 that's the goal.

00:30:43.040 Send in the boys.

00:30:43.840 Three other Iranian men

00:30:48.560 were arrested in London

00:30:49.380 on Saturday

00:30:49.880 in relation to a separate

00:30:51.060 counter-terrorism investigation,

00:30:52.460 apparently.

00:30:53.320 On Sunday,

00:30:53.780 Home Secretary Yvette Cooper

00:30:55.020 said that the two operations

00:30:56.400 reflect some of the biggest

00:30:57.900 counter-state threat

00:30:58.920 and counter-terrorism operations

00:31:01.980 that we have seen

00:31:02.960 in recent years.

00:31:04.060 I'm pleased that they could

00:31:04.860 distinguish that they were men.

00:31:07.000 Oh, right,

00:31:07.400 yeah.

00:31:08.620 Claiming to be men.

00:31:09.740 Let's not rule out

00:31:10.940 that they are deep down,

00:31:12.200 in fact,

00:31:12.520 women.

00:31:12.660 The office has moved,

00:31:14.340 obviously,

00:31:14.900 under the court case now

00:31:15.780 and they state it out.

00:31:16.780 There was a clip of Yvette Cooper

00:31:19.060 and she was in total robot mode,

00:31:22.460 you know,

00:31:23.320 as you can imagine.

00:31:24.180 Yeah.

00:31:24.700 Because all this stuff,

00:31:25.820 as you say,

00:31:26.200 sort of special branch,

00:31:27.720 counter-terrorist police,

00:31:29.660 MI5,

00:31:30.820 it's all under the Home Office,

00:31:31.720 so,

00:31:32.240 in other words,

00:31:32.720 under her,

00:31:33.320 so ultimately the buck

00:31:34.280 stops with her as opposed to.

00:31:35.920 The BBC article goes on here

00:31:37.500 to say,

00:31:37.920 as part of the investigation

00:31:38.720 into a alleged terror plot,

00:31:40.120 police arrested the five men,

00:31:41.720 two aged 29,

00:31:42.400 a 40-year-old

00:31:43.220 and another aged 46.

00:31:45.000 In the early hours

00:31:45.660 of Saturday morning,

00:31:46.760 the fifth person's nationality

00:31:47.880 and age has not been confirmed.

00:31:49.240 The Met Office,

00:31:50.240 sorry,

00:31:50.540 the Met Police said

00:31:51.700 the affected site,

00:31:53.320 allegedly targeting the plot,

00:31:54.620 had been made aware

00:31:55.420 and was being supported

00:31:56.560 by police.

00:31:57.940 Footage showed

00:31:58.640 an armed officer

00:31:59.320 taking a man

00:31:59.840 from a house in Rochdale.

00:32:01.080 Sorry,

00:32:01.980 sorry.

00:32:02.340 This looks like something else.

00:32:04.440 I've just seen the last sentence.

00:32:07.260 In Swindon.

00:32:08.580 Yeah.

00:32:09.060 No,

00:32:09.440 in Swindon.

00:32:10.760 That's got me.

00:32:12.060 Well,

00:32:12.360 just quick to say that,

00:32:13.160 in Rochdale,

00:32:13.740 another man was dragged

00:32:14.500 through the streets in Swindon

00:32:15.780 with plastic bags

00:32:17.060 over his arms.

00:32:19.340 It is understood

00:32:19.900 military personnel

00:32:20.840 were involved

00:32:21.480 in the Rochdale raid.

00:32:23.260 In Swindon,

00:32:23.800 one eyewitness told the BBC

00:32:24.760 that six men

00:32:25.320 entered a cafe

00:32:25.940 which was actually

00:32:27.140 Costa Coffee.

00:32:28.260 Costa.

00:32:29.100 Costa Coffee,

00:32:29.580 which we've all walked past

00:32:30.580 hundreds of times.

00:32:31.620 Yeah.

00:32:32.080 Hundreds,

00:32:32.400 hundreds of times.

00:32:34.060 And the suspect

00:32:35.080 had ordered a coffee

00:32:36.380 and donuts.

00:32:38.060 So,

00:32:38.420 they ordered,

00:32:38.860 sorry,

00:32:39.140 they ordered coffee.

00:32:40.080 The police,

00:32:40.420 the undercover military

00:32:41.760 or police guy

00:32:42.580 ordered coffee

00:32:44.360 and donuts.

00:32:45.280 A chocolate beer.

00:32:45.760 Oh,

00:32:45.880 they dumped him.

00:32:47.620 I'm sorry.

00:32:48.620 It's a cliche.

00:32:49.580 It is.

00:32:50.960 Can I have six coffee

00:32:52.240 and six donuts?

00:32:53.180 Got to jump him now.

00:32:54.400 Yeah.

00:32:54.960 I'm sorry,

00:32:55.440 we shouldn't be

00:32:56.080 really making fun

00:32:56.780 about this.

00:32:57.440 But that sentence alone,

00:32:59.740 it's almost out

00:33:00.480 of a comedy sketch.

00:33:01.680 Like,

00:33:01.860 we've got a really,

00:33:02.540 really important

00:33:03.400 sort of counter-espionage

00:33:04.840 mission to do,

00:33:05.800 but we could get

00:33:07.040 a yum yum

00:33:07.520 while we're here.

00:33:09.300 Right?

00:33:09.540 Chocolate twist.

00:33:10.420 Yeah,

00:33:10.660 maybe a reduced price.

00:33:12.760 There's time for a Danish.

00:33:14.140 Come on,

00:33:14.420 lads.

00:33:14.800 Come on.

00:33:15.160 Let's go.

00:33:15.980 Yeah.

00:33:16.720 I'll finish now.

00:33:17.720 Let's jump him.

00:33:18.440 Yeah.

00:33:19.180 Wait,

00:33:19.580 he's gone.

00:33:19.960 Let's go.

00:33:20.780 So,

00:33:21.140 before they followed him

00:33:22.800 out and jumped on him.

00:33:23.740 So,

00:33:24.300 there's a little

00:33:25.040 sort of nine-second clip

00:33:26.420 here,

00:33:27.040 which we'll play.

00:33:27.920 Is this the Swindon one?

00:33:28.800 Yeah.

00:33:29.920 So,

00:33:30.560 it's...

00:33:31.040 How did they order

00:33:33.580 the doughnuts

00:33:35.280 and coffee

00:33:36.320 with balaclavas

00:33:37.360 on their head?

00:33:39.060 Yeah.

00:33:39.580 Was that not the telltale sign

00:33:41.100 that someone's coming

00:33:41.960 for you?

00:33:43.220 You come in with a balaclava.

00:33:44.840 Six...

00:33:45.420 Sorry.

00:33:46.800 Six

00:33:47.200 coffees and doughnuts,

00:33:49.000 please.

00:33:49.800 Jump him down.

00:33:51.000 Ignore the balaclava.

00:33:52.160 Yeah.

00:33:52.440 It's an anti-COVID measure.

00:33:53.580 Don't worry about it.

00:33:55.260 So,

00:33:55.740 anyone that knows Swindon

00:33:57.160 can see that,

00:33:59.460 like,

00:33:59.840 there's the Iceland.

00:34:01.560 Yeah.

00:34:02.580 Like,

00:34:02.840 this is right in the middle

00:34:03.760 of Swindon.

00:34:04.860 It's really incongruous.

00:34:07.100 Really,

00:34:07.480 really disturbing,

00:34:08.640 really.

00:34:08.860 Yeah.

00:34:09.480 And also,

00:34:10.180 this guy,

00:34:11.780 if you can see,

00:34:13.600 they've got like,

00:34:14.320 they put,

00:34:14.540 yeah,

00:34:14.700 they put some sort

00:34:15.300 of plastic bags over his arm.

00:34:16.460 I've never seen that before.

00:34:17.800 No.

00:34:18.340 I can only imagine it's to do

00:34:19.600 sort of trying to preserve evidence.

00:34:21.460 Yeah.

00:34:21.640 Whether he had gunpowder residue

00:34:23.340 or bomb making chemicals

00:34:25.280 on his hands

00:34:25.860 or God knows what.

00:34:28.060 I can only imagine that.

00:34:29.760 I love the reaction

00:34:30.480 of some of the people

00:34:31.300 as they're being dragged power.

00:34:32.300 Look at that girl on the left.

00:34:34.140 Absolutely nothing.

00:34:35.300 Doesn't even notice

00:34:36.160 that six men are dragging a guy

00:34:37.880 with a plastic bag

00:34:38.680 around his head and his arms

00:34:39.720 and she's just carrying on.

00:34:41.160 Because anyone watching this,

00:34:42.180 the cops

00:34:42.740 or MI5 dudes,

00:34:44.320 whoever they are,

00:34:45.080 whatever they are,

00:34:45.720 they're not in any sort of uniform.

00:34:47.340 They're plain clothes,

00:34:48.660 balaclava guys

00:34:49.560 dragging another dude

00:34:52.520 through the street

00:34:53.060 in the middle of Swindon.

00:34:54.840 Is that saying

00:34:55.220 it's a normal Saturday night

00:34:56.140 in Swindon?

00:34:56.700 Just like that

00:34:57.140 and they're used to it.

00:34:58.340 Yeah.

00:34:59.540 It's just horrible

00:35:01.720 and worrying.

00:35:03.020 So anyway,

00:35:04.340 there's just lots of other links

00:35:06.260 just to show

00:35:06.980 even the local Wiltshire.

00:35:09.860 Yeah.

00:35:10.640 Yeah.

00:35:10.960 Yeah,

00:35:11.160 this is where it was.

00:35:13.220 It's pretty cool

00:35:16.960 to wear the kafirs

00:35:19.080 on their heads

00:35:20.100 with cameras.

00:35:22.240 Yeah.

00:35:23.400 It's just,

00:35:23.820 this is the world

00:35:24.440 we live in now.

00:35:25.120 I mean,

00:35:25.260 one of the things

00:35:25.680 I wanted to say,

00:35:26.760 if you remember,

00:35:27.940 certainly Stephen Yeo

00:35:29.340 and I still,

00:35:30.040 probably just about old enough

00:35:31.040 to remember

00:35:31.440 sort of a pre-9-11 world

00:35:33.060 where Islam,

00:35:36.220 let alone Islamic terrorism,

00:35:37.640 was just unknown.

00:35:38.600 I mean,

00:35:38.960 unknown in the West,

00:35:41.040 in Britain.

00:35:41.420 Well,

00:35:41.540 almost,

00:35:41.840 there'll be some

00:35:43.160 Futura tippers out there

00:35:44.100 that will say,

00:35:44.560 well,

00:35:44.720 there's this there.

00:35:45.400 It's almost,

00:35:46.080 almost unknown.

00:35:47.680 I mean,

00:35:47.960 I remember after 9-11,

00:35:49.120 people,

00:35:49.540 lots of people

00:35:50.160 didn't know the difference

00:35:51.100 between a Sikh and a Muslim.

00:35:52.680 No.

00:35:53.120 That's honestly true.

00:35:54.300 There were some people,

00:35:54.920 some Sikhs that got sort of

00:35:56.100 targeted and harassed

00:35:57.240 or beaten up

00:35:57.980 straight after 9-11

00:35:59.260 as a knee-jerk reaction thing

00:36:00.500 because people didn't know

00:36:01.340 the difference.

00:36:02.200 It just wasn't a thing

00:36:03.400 and now the West is flooded

00:36:05.260 with an almost endless string

00:36:07.120 of Islamic terrorism.

00:36:08.980 So just for the younger people

00:36:10.300 who might not be aware,

00:36:11.840 it never used to be like this.

00:36:13.020 The world of Blair and Bush

00:36:14.320 changed everything for us

00:36:15.780 when they decided

00:36:16.560 that they're going

00:36:17.120 on a geopolitical rant

00:36:18.660 to try and take on

00:36:20.300 Iran

00:36:21.980 and also China

00:36:23.720 and Russia

00:36:24.100 in the future

00:36:24.740 by building up wars

00:36:26.340 in Iraq,

00:36:27.400 in Syria

00:36:28.000 and preparing all of this

00:36:29.620 in Afghanistan.

00:36:30.200 I can understand

00:36:31.280 that they wanted to kill off communism

00:36:32.940 but having to do deals

00:36:34.520 with the Taliban

00:36:35.680 that suggested

00:36:36.720 and what came Al-Qaeda

00:36:38.520 that we will give you

00:36:39.920 your country

00:36:40.600 just like Israel

00:36:41.740 has got its country

00:36:42.720 with its own religion,

00:36:43.800 you can have your own

00:36:44.640 type of religion there

00:36:45.520 and then renege on it.

00:36:47.120 What did they expect?

00:36:48.420 You're talking about

00:36:48.880 the 1980s Mujahideen effort

00:36:50.740 against the Soviets

00:36:51.640 in Afghanistan.

00:36:52.240 That's when they first

00:36:53.100 started to deal with it

00:36:54.080 and then they built it up.

00:36:55.060 The birth of Al-Qaeda.

00:36:56.220 I've interviewed

00:36:57.020 Dr. Jeffrey Bale

00:36:58.300 he is working

00:36:59.220 on counter-terrorism

00:37:00.320 and you can see

00:37:01.460 the interview

00:37:02.080 on our website

00:37:03.460 and he was saying

00:37:04.560 that after the fall

00:37:05.560 of the Berlin Wall

00:37:06.440 the personnel

00:37:07.380 essentially

00:37:08.260 was

00:37:09.240 the same

00:37:10.700 and they didn't change

00:37:12.080 the way

00:37:13.420 they approached

00:37:14.040 the terrorists

00:37:15.140 and they didn't

00:37:16.600 take them

00:37:17.000 as true believers.

00:37:17.920 They thought

00:37:18.220 they would

00:37:18.640 deep down

00:37:19.520 be able to strike

00:37:20.540 and deal with them.

00:37:21.200 Yeah, that's it.

00:37:22.580 That's the naivety

00:37:23.320 but then they decide

00:37:24.560 to go to war

00:37:25.160 and as you

00:37:25.660 keep bombing countries

00:37:27.740 it gives people

00:37:28.860 a belief to leave

00:37:30.640 and then suddenly

00:37:31.900 you're going to get

00:37:32.480 people coming out

00:37:33.380 of those

00:37:33.780 into our countries

00:37:34.740 who are not

00:37:35.260 the genuine

00:37:35.820 refugees and asylum seekers

00:37:37.620 they are part

00:37:38.260 of the believers

00:37:38.960 who they were running from

00:37:40.540 and that's what

00:37:41.460 we're facing now

00:37:42.260 and the more

00:37:42.820 that we do it

00:37:43.380 the more that we'll have.

00:37:45.120 You mentioned

00:37:45.880 sort of the

00:37:46.320 Bush and Blair years

00:37:48.000 yeah I can't stress

00:37:49.640 again for sort of

00:37:50.420 the younger generation

00:37:51.380 that won't remember it

00:37:52.360 what a different world

00:37:54.040 it was before 9-11

00:37:55.280 there's the famous

00:37:56.720 George Bush

00:37:57.540 one of George Bush's

00:37:58.720 State of the Union

00:38:00.420 speeches where he

00:38:01.120 said Iran, Iraq

00:38:02.240 and North Korea

00:38:02.880 yeah

00:38:03.660 there is a cold war

00:38:05.240 going on between

00:38:05.800 the West and Iran

00:38:07.000 yes

00:38:07.680 absolutely

00:38:08.560 so okay

00:38:10.620 just before I carry on

00:38:11.520 I'll just show

00:38:12.220 there's sort of

00:38:12.680 the Guardian

00:38:13.140 it's all over the news

00:38:14.240 Sky News

00:38:14.940 and there was one

00:38:16.020 that said

00:38:16.440 claimed there was

00:38:17.420 yeah just hours away

00:38:19.360 the Standard

00:38:19.920 claimed that

00:38:21.260 an attack

00:38:22.060 was just hours

00:38:23.280 from being launched

00:38:24.140 before being foiled

00:38:25.340 by police

00:38:26.000 we won't listen to

00:38:27.760 Yvette Cooper

00:38:28.280 just read the lines

00:38:29.440 that other people

00:38:30.000 have said for her

00:38:30.960 the Standard

00:38:33.700 another

00:38:35.040 I think was quite

00:38:35.880 interesting

00:38:36.260 the Foreign Office

00:38:38.760 has banned

00:38:39.640 one or two

00:38:40.260 recently

00:38:41.000 banned one or two

00:38:42.180 Iranian organisations

00:38:43.700 that they're saying

00:38:45.020 are just

00:38:46.000 out and out

00:38:46.820 bad guys

00:38:47.640 isn't it weird

00:38:48.960 that we

00:38:49.520 hear the police

00:38:51.200 and the media

00:38:52.080 saying actively

00:38:53.280 it was a terror

00:38:54.340 plot

00:38:54.680 yeah

00:38:55.400 well that's the line

00:38:56.060 that was the motive

00:38:56.980 but that's how

00:38:57.800 it works

00:38:58.520 so you'll get a

00:38:59.060 press office now

00:38:59.820 is either within

00:39:00.660 the Home Office

00:39:01.400 or those in the

00:39:03.220 security services

00:39:04.100 they've got a press

00:39:04.780 office team

00:39:05.260 they will create

00:39:06.740 their legend

00:39:07.620 with their press

00:39:08.900 release

00:39:09.220 and the legend

00:39:09.720 will have the lines

00:39:11.020 that the certain

00:39:11.680 selected journalists

00:39:12.820 who are connected

00:39:13.600 to that

00:39:14.060 will be allowed

00:39:14.940 to have

00:39:15.480 and all of them

00:39:17.000 will be told

00:39:17.560 that you've got

00:39:18.040 to say the same

00:39:18.840 line

00:39:19.300 this is all

00:39:19.940 you're getting

00:39:20.480 from us

00:39:20.980 and you're getting

00:39:22.120 this as the

00:39:23.680 lead for your

00:39:24.920 organisation

00:39:25.500 so you get this

00:39:27.020 kind of one-on-one

00:39:27.720 relationship

00:39:28.320 with the journalist

00:39:29.300 but you stay the same

00:39:30.600 so this is what

00:39:31.260 Tony Benn used to say

00:39:32.360 when you say that

00:39:33.380 we're in a media

00:39:34.020 democracy of media

00:39:35.800 you're not

00:39:37.000 you're in a democracy

00:39:37.960 of one line

00:39:38.840 being given to

00:39:39.600 several media

00:39:40.400 it's always the same

00:39:42.080 line

00:39:42.620 sorry just

00:39:44.800 why I'm asking

00:39:46.140 this is because

00:39:47.000 when something

00:39:48.740 does happen

00:39:49.700 we frequently

00:39:50.760 have the whole

00:39:51.460 establishment

00:39:51.980 and the media

00:39:52.620 saying

00:39:53.020 it's too

00:39:53.920 early for us

00:39:55.480 to say

00:39:56.340 it was

00:39:56.960 terror attack

00:39:58.080 or not

00:39:58.820 it looks like

00:40:00.060 they're not

00:40:00.500 it's not too early

00:40:01.980 for them to say

00:40:02.600 now

00:40:02.860 I'm not saying

00:40:03.560 it didn't happen

00:40:04.260 and it wasn't

00:40:05.120 just saying

00:40:05.820 for next time

00:40:07.000 and all the times

00:40:08.500 that they've said

00:40:09.300 that it was

00:40:10.020 too early to say

00:40:10.880 but he also gives

00:40:11.760 them an out

00:40:12.260 you see this is

00:40:13.400 the important part

00:40:14.060 of the line

00:40:14.420 if they've made

00:40:14.880 a mistake

00:40:15.320 they can say

00:40:16.680 it looks like

00:40:17.820 it was

00:40:18.440 and then it turns

00:40:19.040 out it's no

00:40:19.640 it's just a

00:40:20.220 bunch of guys

00:40:21.160 who were going

00:40:21.520 to attack

00:40:22.680 homeland

00:40:23.180 on the weekend

00:40:24.280 or something

00:40:24.740 like that

00:40:25.260 but we needed

00:40:26.280 to go in

00:40:27.020 in this way

00:40:27.560 just to make sure

00:40:28.440 so it does

00:40:29.260 that sort of

00:40:29.840 language allows

00:40:30.760 them to have

00:40:31.380 that flexibility

00:40:32.280 to be able

00:40:33.620 to create the

00:40:34.200 headline

00:40:34.580 after all

00:40:35.680 Iranians are now

00:40:36.420 our current bad

00:40:37.000 boys and we need

00:40:37.740 to ensure that

00:40:38.400 they're constantly

00:40:39.520 in the bad boy line

00:40:40.440 and if they make

00:40:41.380 a mistake

00:40:41.740 it can fade away

00:40:43.040 and no one

00:40:43.880 will notice the

00:40:44.540 difference

00:40:45.000 you both made

00:40:46.000 some good points

00:40:46.400 you used the word

00:40:46.920 legend there

00:40:47.760 absolutely exactly

00:40:49.460 the right term

00:40:50.940 that's what the

00:40:51.580 intelligence services

00:40:52.220 do to create a

00:40:53.060 legend around

00:40:54.220 somebody or an

00:40:55.260 organisation that

00:40:55.980 they can then

00:40:56.540 later point back

00:40:57.600 at and say

00:40:58.540 this is an

00:40:59.040 established fact

00:40:59.600 and it may well

00:41:00.320 not be

00:41:00.800 it may just be

00:41:01.720 all skullduggery

00:41:03.800 all sort of

00:41:04.660 espionage

00:41:05.260 liars

00:41:05.680 piled upon liars

00:41:06.700 you know

00:41:07.280 who knows

00:41:07.640 but anyway

00:41:08.060 yeah

00:41:08.560 and the other

00:41:09.160 thing you said

00:41:09.580 says where

00:41:10.140 it's interesting

00:41:11.400 to see when

00:41:12.160 the establishment

00:41:13.860 includes with

00:41:15.300 the mainstream

00:41:15.640 media

00:41:16.080 when they'll say

00:41:16.880 oh it's just

00:41:17.860 mental health

00:41:19.440 or we don't

00:41:20.320 know yet

00:41:20.780 it's too early

00:41:21.520 to say nobody

00:41:22.100 knows

00:41:22.480 or they come

00:41:22.960 out and say

00:41:23.380 no this guy

00:41:24.680 was this

00:41:25.640 immediately

00:41:26.660 I remember

00:41:27.760 the LA

00:41:29.080 shooting

00:41:29.760 sorry the

00:41:30.560 Las Vegas

00:41:31.060 shooting

00:41:31.620 how quickly

00:41:32.620 immediately

00:41:33.040 they came out

00:41:33.720 and they said

00:41:34.180 who it was

00:41:35.060 and what was

00:41:35.820 going on

00:41:36.280 and everything

00:41:36.580 behind it

00:41:37.040 and then

00:41:37.260 the other

00:41:37.640 ones

00:41:37.880 they just

00:41:38.240 sort of

00:41:38.820 feign

00:41:39.160 ignorance

00:41:40.600 we're going

00:41:40.940 to Germany

00:41:41.340 they love

00:41:42.400 all Muslim

00:41:43.120 terrorists

00:41:43.540 being mentally

00:41:44.140 ill

00:41:44.400 right yeah

00:41:45.220 I don't think

00:41:45.720 anyone's ever

00:41:46.180 done it

00:41:46.400 without terrorist

00:41:46.940 reasons

00:41:47.400 they've only

00:41:47.780 done it

00:41:48.020 because they're

00:41:48.400 not well

00:41:48.840 or he's

00:41:49.320 actually a

00:41:49.800 Christian

00:41:50.140 or he's

00:41:50.540 actually a

00:41:50.920 choir boy

00:41:51.380 or whatever

00:41:51.800 it is

00:41:52.240 I mean

00:41:52.540 so okay

00:41:53.960 but this time

00:41:54.760 they're saying

00:41:55.200 this is

00:41:55.740 Iranian

00:41:57.020 state-backed

00:41:58.920 characters

00:41:59.500 yes

00:42:00.020 NBC

00:42:01.120 obviously

00:42:01.680 American

00:42:02.060 is saying

00:42:03.220 there may be

00:42:03.620 a link

00:42:03.860 between these

00:42:04.380 two different

00:42:04.940 sets of

00:42:05.680 raids

00:42:06.080 but our

00:42:06.860 line is

00:42:07.340 that it

00:42:07.580 isn't

00:42:07.920 but anyway

00:42:08.360 AP

00:42:09.700 just going

00:42:11.500 with it

00:42:11.860 as well

00:42:12.360 well NBC

00:42:13.300 is important

00:42:13.900 because if you

00:42:14.540 want to get

00:42:14.840 the message

00:42:15.220 about being

00:42:15.740 anti-Iranian

00:42:16.460 then they're

00:42:16.840 the ones

00:42:17.120 to pass it

00:42:17.920 from here

00:42:18.260 back into

00:42:18.700 the US

00:42:19.180 and the

00:42:19.420 US now

00:42:19.980 all their

00:42:20.760 newspapers

00:42:21.200 will pick

00:42:21.980 it up

00:42:22.180 from NBC

00:42:22.660 so that

00:42:23.620 way it

00:42:24.520 now filters

00:42:25.300 slowly

00:42:25.920 across the

00:42:26.500 United States

00:42:27.240 from regional

00:42:28.260 to local

00:42:28.880 news

00:42:29.140 mainly

00:42:29.860 regional

00:42:30.560 it won't

00:42:30.920 necessarily

00:42:31.320 reach the

00:42:31.740 locals

00:42:32.060 but that's

00:42:32.820 a method

00:42:33.220 that they

00:42:33.600 use

00:42:34.080 in terms

00:42:34.780 of

00:42:35.020 pushing

00:42:35.560 it out

00:42:35.880 and AP

00:42:36.260 will be

00:42:36.620 the same

00:42:36.920 in Europe

00:42:37.300 so one of

00:42:38.740 the things

00:42:39.020 I wanted

00:42:39.340 to say

00:42:39.820 in this

00:42:40.100 segment

00:42:40.380 is to

00:42:40.820 try and

00:42:41.140 put a

00:42:41.440 little bit

00:42:41.920 more meat

00:42:42.360 on the

00:42:42.640 bones

00:42:43.120 for people

00:42:44.300 who might

00:42:44.820 not know

00:42:45.140 because there

00:42:45.600 is a long

00:42:46.420 and storied

00:42:48.060 and tumultuous

00:42:48.860 story

00:42:50.000 backstory

00:42:50.920 between

00:42:52.100 Russia

00:42:53.260 Britain

00:42:53.760 and the

00:42:54.280 United States

00:42:54.860 with Iran

00:42:55.420 or Persia

00:42:55.980 as it used

00:42:56.340 to be

00:42:56.680 so I just

00:42:57.500 wanted to

00:42:57.760 maybe run

00:42:58.200 through

00:42:58.360 just a quick

00:42:58.820 list

00:42:59.100 for people

00:42:59.560 so if

00:43:00.360 on your own

00:43:01.640 time

00:43:01.860 if you want to

00:43:02.180 look any of

00:43:02.560 this stuff

00:43:02.900 up

00:43:03.180 I mean

00:43:03.640 Britain

00:43:04.280 and Iran

00:43:05.100 again

00:43:05.640 or as Persia

00:43:06.280 as it used

00:43:06.560 to be

00:43:07.260 we've

00:43:08.400 to be

00:43:09.180 absolutely

00:43:09.540 honest

00:43:10.040 we have

00:43:10.780 screwed

00:43:11.100 with them

00:43:11.680 quite a lot

00:43:13.220 to be honest

00:43:14.400 they call us

00:43:15.100 the old fox

00:43:15.920 they think

00:43:16.900 that is what

00:43:17.700 that's their

00:43:18.860 nickname for us

00:43:19.760 in a derogatory

00:43:22.000 way

00:43:22.580 like this

00:43:23.320 wily old

00:43:24.140 fox

00:43:24.480 who can't

00:43:24.820 be trusted

00:43:25.240 and will

00:43:26.440 get in your

00:43:27.080 chicken coop

00:43:27.780 and kill

00:43:28.040 all your

00:43:28.240 chickens

00:43:28.500 if it can

00:43:29.040 I mean

00:43:29.720 they call

00:43:30.040 America

00:43:30.500 the great

00:43:31.340 satan

00:43:31.700 don't they

00:43:32.060 so okay

00:43:34.220 just a quick

00:43:34.680 list

00:43:34.880 quick

00:43:35.140 whirlwind

00:43:35.840 run through

00:43:36.280 I mean

00:43:36.540 going back

00:43:36.860 to the

00:43:37.080 19th century

00:43:37.840 there was

00:43:38.440 the great

00:43:38.860 game between

00:43:39.500 czarist Russia

00:43:40.260 and the

00:43:41.620 British Empire

00:43:42.500 sort of

00:43:43.460 a rush

00:43:44.800 to control

00:43:45.560 Central Asia

00:43:46.540 places like

00:43:47.040 Persia

00:43:47.380 Mesopotamia

00:43:48.020 modern day

00:43:48.400 Iraq

00:43:48.800 all sorts of

00:43:50.000 what is today

00:43:50.720 the Stans

00:43:51.340 Turkmenistan

00:43:51.980 a rush

00:43:53.400 for that

00:43:54.000 on the

00:43:54.700 great

00:43:54.980 chessboard

00:43:56.460 the devil's

00:43:57.200 chessboard

00:43:57.580 of world

00:43:58.300 affairs

00:43:59.200 nothing

00:44:01.360 has changed

00:44:02.180 this is

00:44:03.700 just

00:44:03.920 Herodotus

00:44:04.820 book one

00:44:05.360 who started

00:44:06.860 it

00:44:07.220 we'll send

00:44:08.500 Blair into

00:44:09.160 the stands

00:44:09.740 to make sure

00:44:10.320 that they

00:44:10.680 come to our

00:44:11.260 side

00:44:11.580 we'll give

00:44:12.620 them some

00:44:13.100 preferential

00:44:13.760 treatment

00:44:14.300 you know

00:44:14.760 now if you're

00:44:15.680 a Persian

00:44:16.280 person

00:44:16.900 you would

00:44:17.420 just obviously

00:44:17.900 resent that

00:44:18.400 who is Russia

00:44:19.140 who's Moscow

00:44:20.040 or London

00:44:20.520 to tell us

00:44:21.100 what we can

00:44:21.540 or can't

00:44:21.840 do

00:44:22.020 and who

00:44:22.320 our

00:44:22.480 leaders

00:44:22.760 are

00:44:23.420 don't blame

00:44:24.940 them

00:44:25.160 I don't blame

00:44:25.600 them

00:44:25.980 you know

00:44:26.460 there was some

00:44:27.040 little country

00:44:27.680 on the other

00:44:28.180 side of the

00:44:28.580 world that

00:44:28.880 screwed us

00:44:29.600 over a

00:44:31.300 dozen times

00:44:32.020 over a

00:44:32.400 century

00:44:32.760 if Burma

00:44:33.900 kept trying

00:44:34.520 to screw

00:44:35.200 with British

00:44:35.700 politics all

00:44:36.240 the time

00:44:36.640 you would

00:44:37.460 hate them

00:44:37.920 wouldn't you

00:44:38.320 resent them

00:44:39.300 be suspicious

00:44:39.960 of them

00:44:40.380 at the very

00:44:40.700 least

00:44:41.100 so in

00:44:42.100 like 1909

00:44:43.220 we created

00:44:45.000 the Anglo

00:44:46.560 Persian Oil

00:44:47.380 Company

00:44:47.800 where we were

00:44:50.220 just taking

00:44:51.180 their oil

00:44:51.560 basically taking

00:44:52.900 their oil

00:44:53.340 for dirt

00:44:54.200 cheap

00:44:54.560 yep and giving

00:44:55.360 them nothing

00:44:55.720 back

00:44:56.120 apart from a

00:44:57.080 few of our

00:44:57.680 selected

00:44:58.080 leaders

00:44:58.540 that we

00:44:59.740 put in

00:45:00.200 there

00:45:00.460 right

00:45:01.000 led on

00:45:01.520 later on

00:45:02.080 so in

00:45:02.440 1921

00:45:03.440 the British

00:45:04.860 basically

00:45:05.340 orchestrate

00:45:05.820 a coup

00:45:06.240 in Persia

00:45:07.540 to put in

00:45:08.020 the Shah

00:45:08.400 the old

00:45:08.900 Shah

00:45:09.200 yes

00:45:09.740 it's basically

00:45:10.120 two Shahs

00:45:10.800 you need to

00:45:11.120 know about

00:45:11.460 and this

00:45:11.920 is the

00:45:12.100 older one

00:45:12.600 yes

00:45:13.000 but by

00:45:13.720 World War

00:45:14.100 II

00:45:14.300 like in

00:45:14.620 World War

00:45:14.940 II

00:45:15.240 in 1941

00:45:17.100 we screwed

00:45:18.560 them so

00:45:19.120 badly

00:45:19.600 in 1941

00:45:20.300 Persia

00:45:21.420 was

00:45:21.800 completely

00:45:23.780 not on

00:45:24.960 anyone's

00:45:25.340 side

00:45:25.600 and there

00:45:27.200 was an

00:45:27.540 Anglo-Soviet

00:45:28.360 invasion

00:45:28.800 we just

00:45:30.080 invaded them

00:45:30.580 in 1941

00:45:31.120 and like

00:45:32.820 easily

00:45:33.100 steamrolled

00:45:33.600 them with

00:45:34.180 just a few

00:45:34.580 divisions

00:45:35.060 beat their

00:45:36.380 army

00:45:36.700 installed

00:45:37.420 somebody

00:45:37.800 else

00:45:38.160 and

00:45:39.020 well

00:45:40.520 not

00:45:40.940 somebody

00:45:41.280 else

00:45:41.460 but

00:45:41.660 because the

00:45:42.580 argument

00:45:42.920 they made

00:45:43.360 was that

00:45:43.720 there was

00:45:44.220 an outside

00:45:44.740 possibility

00:45:45.440 that some

00:45:46.060 important

00:45:46.620 railroads

00:45:47.480 or roads

00:45:48.040 might fall

00:45:48.520 into the

00:45:48.860 hands of

00:45:49.420 the Nazis

00:45:49.920 if Hitler

00:45:50.940 did get

00:45:51.460 his

00:45:51.700 panzer

00:45:52.260 divisions

00:45:52.600 all the

00:45:52.880 way down

00:45:53.100 to the

00:45:53.340 Caucasus

00:45:53.820 and it's

00:45:54.480 not a

00:45:54.700 million miles

00:45:55.160 away

00:45:55.520 but of

00:45:56.700 course

00:45:56.820 Russia

00:45:57.300 or Soviet

00:45:58.680 Russia

00:45:59.040 back then

00:45:59.660 was basically

00:46:01.020 butting up

00:46:01.640 against

00:46:02.040 Persia

00:46:02.600 so anyway

00:46:04.940 we just

00:46:06.040 totally screwed

00:46:06.880 them over

00:46:07.240 in World War

00:46:07.600 II

00:46:07.800 we was out

00:46:08.640 there by

00:46:09.080 1946

00:46:09.580 but nonetheless

00:46:10.440 once again

00:46:11.440 if you're an

00:46:11.980 Iranian

00:46:12.320 or a Persian

00:46:12.860 you would

00:46:13.240 just see

00:46:13.560 look back

00:46:14.020 at that

00:46:14.420 and you'd

00:46:16.620 be annoyed

00:46:17.120 to put it

00:46:17.680 mildly

00:46:18.060 wouldn't you

00:46:18.300 yeah

00:46:18.580 you'd see

00:46:19.120 some of

00:46:19.500 your families

00:46:19.940 being killed

00:46:20.540 by these

00:46:21.020 foreigners

00:46:21.360 who've come

00:46:21.820 all the way

00:46:22.200 from a

00:46:22.480 different land

00:46:23.020 and then

00:46:23.740 they start

00:46:24.120 stealing our

00:46:24.740 assets

00:46:25.020 and telling

00:46:25.520 us what

00:46:25.840 to do

00:46:26.360 for the

00:46:26.980 second time

00:46:27.620 yeah

00:46:27.960 right

00:46:28.480 and you'd

00:46:30.320 think warmly

00:46:31.180 of them

00:46:31.420 wouldn't you

00:46:31.780 you'd want

00:46:32.120 to pat

00:46:32.700 them on

00:46:33.020 the back

00:46:33.400 bring them

00:46:33.840 in and

00:46:34.180 sit them

00:46:34.520 for dinner

00:46:34.940 and say

00:46:35.280 how kind

00:46:36.220 you are

00:46:36.620 for destroying

00:46:37.140 us and

00:46:37.500 our history

00:46:38.000 and stealing

00:46:38.800 our resources

00:46:39.320 yeah yeah

00:46:39.880 yeah no

00:46:40.160 welcome to it

00:46:40.860 please have

00:46:41.360 more

00:46:41.660 but by

00:46:42.660 1953

00:46:43.360 a big

00:46:44.140 important year

00:46:44.860 for Iranian

00:46:45.440 history

00:46:45.740 is 1953

00:46:46.360 I mean

00:46:46.800 by 1951

00:46:48.000 they'd

00:46:48.340 voted in

00:46:48.880 democratically

00:46:49.560 Mossadegh

00:46:50.200 and he

00:46:52.360 was looking

00:46:53.020 to nationalize

00:46:54.520 the oil

00:46:54.980 all the oil

00:46:56.060 in Iran

00:46:56.560 and by this

00:46:58.480 time it's more

00:46:58.920 the CIA

00:46:59.440 the dark days

00:47:00.180 of like

00:47:00.480 Alan Dulles

00:47:01.080 where he was

00:47:01.540 ruling the world

00:47:02.280 covertly

00:47:03.340 the CIA

00:47:04.640 and the British

00:47:05.600 decided

00:47:06.340 we're just

00:47:06.980 going to

00:47:07.240 coup Mossadegh

00:47:07.980 out

00:47:08.280 and bring

00:47:09.280 the Shah

00:47:09.580 back

00:47:09.940 on the

00:47:10.300 excuse

00:47:10.560 that he

00:47:10.860 was going

00:47:11.100 to join

00:47:11.340 the communists

00:47:12.000 right yeah

00:47:12.660 just say

00:47:13.040 whatever you

00:47:13.400 need to

00:47:13.660 say

00:47:13.880 just say

00:47:14.580 whatever

00:47:14.760 you need

00:47:15.000 to say

00:47:15.320 and so

00:47:16.740 like

00:47:16.980 yeah

00:47:17.180 the great

00:47:18.860 Tehran

00:47:19.620 screwjob

00:47:20.280 of 53

00:47:21.160 once again

00:47:23.140 I mean

00:47:23.480 well

00:47:23.720 me and Dan

00:47:24.540 did a bit

00:47:24.940 of content

00:47:25.820 I think

00:47:26.300 probably my

00:47:27.020 top 10

00:47:27.460 most interesting

00:47:28.700 bits of content

00:47:29.620 we did a

00:47:30.340 bit of content

00:47:31.420 there all about

00:47:32.140 on the book

00:47:33.780 called

00:47:34.600 Confessions of an Economic

00:47:37.120 Hitman

00:47:37.580 hitman

00:47:37.620 where among

00:47:38.400 many other

00:47:39.200 examples

00:47:39.840 of

00:47:40.700 American

00:47:42.540 secret

00:47:43.660 policy

00:47:44.920 going on

00:47:45.580 was the

00:47:46.000 Mossadegh

00:47:46.540 53

00:47:46.840 thing

00:47:47.380 so

00:47:48.380 we brought

00:47:49.560 the Shah

00:47:49.900 back

00:47:50.240 we enforced

00:47:50.760 the Shah

00:47:51.200 back on

00:47:51.640 them

00:47:51.880 so we could

00:47:53.040 keep getting

00:47:53.760 the oil

00:47:54.220 and all

00:47:54.660 sorts of

00:47:54.960 things

00:47:55.260 but then

00:47:55.960 by

00:47:56.180 sort of

00:47:56.640 jump ahead

00:47:58.140 to 1979

00:47:58.940 the Islamic

00:47:59.460 revolution

00:47:59.880 where they

00:48:00.180 kicked out

00:48:00.600 the Shah

00:48:01.100 the same

00:48:01.440 Shah

00:48:01.720 the son

00:48:02.320 of the

00:48:02.680 old

00:48:02.920 1921

00:48:03.560 one

00:48:03.900 we put

00:48:04.240 in

00:48:04.480 so it

00:48:05.600 would be

00:48:05.680 1979

00:48:06.180 it didn't

00:48:06.620 come out

00:48:06.900 of nowhere

00:48:07.300 like the

00:48:09.140 Islamic

00:48:09.500 faction

00:48:10.180 in Iran

00:48:10.940 didn't

00:48:11.500 take those

00:48:12.840 American

00:48:13.200 people hostage

00:48:13.900 this is

00:48:14.520 Jimmy Carter

00:48:15.380 hold them

00:48:16.060 hostage for

00:48:16.480 a year

00:48:16.720 for no

00:48:17.280 reason

00:48:17.760 it didn't

00:48:18.320 come out

00:48:18.600 of nowhere

00:48:19.120 you're now

00:48:20.780 looking at

00:48:21.260 back at

00:48:21.720 at least

00:48:22.240 79 to

00:48:22.920 100

00:48:23.120 years

00:48:23.500 of people

00:48:24.680 saying we've

00:48:25.300 had enough

00:48:25.880 of being

00:48:26.660 controlled

00:48:27.200 by another

00:48:28.040 nation

00:48:28.340 we look

00:48:28.660 this as

00:48:29.040 history

00:48:29.460 you can

00:48:30.140 see that

00:48:30.640 through the

00:48:30.940 Roman

00:48:31.180 Empire

00:48:31.580 you can

00:48:31.940 see at

00:48:32.200 the end

00:48:32.460 of other

00:48:32.960 cultural

00:48:33.660 empires

00:48:34.180 people get

00:48:34.800 tired

00:48:35.320 eventually

00:48:36.640 of being

00:48:37.700 subverted

00:48:38.740 ignored

00:48:39.600 overruled

00:48:41.040 and basically

00:48:41.880 controlled

00:48:42.540 by entities

00:48:43.600 that are not

00:48:44.220 your own

00:48:44.520 or are your

00:48:45.500 puppets

00:48:46.060 and in a way

00:48:47.340 our leaving

00:48:48.060 Brexit was

00:48:48.780 one of those

00:48:49.560 because our

00:48:50.580 puppets at the

00:48:51.140 time installed

00:48:51.740 upon us

00:48:52.180 was the

00:48:52.500 European Union

00:48:53.260 again not in

00:48:54.260 the same way

00:48:54.940 and not in the

00:48:55.640 same way

00:48:55.960 of those

00:48:56.260 countries

00:48:56.660 but I can

00:48:57.340 understand a bit

00:48:57.960 and every time

00:48:58.840 we have something

00:48:59.460 like that

00:48:59.880 there are losses

00:49:00.800 you might

00:49:01.840 get the

00:49:02.320 family

00:49:02.660 yeah the

00:49:03.640 family of

00:49:04.140 the Shah

00:49:04.660 who is a

00:49:05.600 pretty nasty

00:49:06.100 man as he

00:49:06.640 was anyway

00:49:07.240 as we know

00:49:07.880 that as most

00:49:08.560 most dictators

00:49:09.380 were but there

00:49:10.480 were hundreds of

00:49:11.000 families that

00:49:11.500 were actually

00:49:12.200 benefiting doing

00:49:13.080 pretty well

00:49:13.720 that led them

00:49:14.700 to leave

00:49:15.380 and we've

00:49:15.720 talked about

00:49:16.160 individuals who've

00:49:16.940 had to escape

00:49:17.560 because of that

00:49:18.340 doing very well

00:49:19.260 so they are

00:49:20.260 the consequences

00:49:21.820 of the great

00:49:23.220 game continuing

00:49:24.100 and we have that

00:49:25.280 great game

00:49:25.780 continuing today

00:49:26.620 right

00:49:26.940 so this very

00:49:27.520 day

00:49:27.840 this very

00:49:28.440 onto the

00:49:29.000 streets of

00:49:29.460 Swindon

00:49:30.120 to the

00:49:30.460 streets of

00:49:31.000 Swindon's

00:49:31.540 Costa coffee

00:49:32.160 shop with

00:49:32.640 buns and

00:49:33.080 donuts

00:49:33.400 don't get me

00:49:34.220 wrong I am

00:49:34.860 no fan of

00:49:36.160 the Ayatollah

00:49:37.120 Khomeini or

00:49:37.940 the bullies in

00:49:39.020 Iran or the

00:49:39.700 1979 revolution

00:49:40.880 or anything I

00:49:41.240 think there was a

00:49:41.660 disaster for Iran

00:49:42.740 the Persian people

00:49:43.500 an absolute

00:49:44.080 disaster but by

00:49:45.040 the same token

00:49:45.540 as you say the

00:49:46.420 Shah was a

00:49:46.980 dictator

00:49:47.340 wasn't a good

00:49:48.420 guy I'm not a

00:49:50.100 fan of either of

00:49:50.900 these I'm just

00:49:51.280 saying what's

00:49:51.920 happened because

00:49:52.720 sometimes in fact

00:49:53.900 recently people

00:49:55.060 have taken whenever

00:49:55.540 I describe something

00:49:56.380 in history they

00:49:57.340 think that's what

00:49:57.920 I think

00:49:59.020 no I'm just

00:50:00.560 I'm just telling

00:50:01.100 you what happened

00:50:01.780 well Michael

00:50:02.560 once said he

00:50:04.720 who does not

00:50:05.240 know history

00:50:05.840 does not know

00:50:06.600 the future and

00:50:07.880 it doesn't mean

00:50:08.560 that we agree or

00:50:10.040 believe in every

00:50:10.620 aspect of history

00:50:11.520 but you have to

00:50:12.100 understand it to

00:50:12.880 interpret it and

00:50:14.220 apply it to where

00:50:15.160 it applies today

00:50:15.920 and most of the

00:50:16.980 time it can be

00:50:17.540 applied today not

00:50:18.320 always we know

00:50:19.380 that if you're

00:50:19.960 sensible so no

00:50:21.580 way would I think

00:50:22.320 that you're a

00:50:23.260 Shah supporter

00:50:24.000 or a muller

00:50:26.080 too over there

00:50:26.860 you know as soon

00:50:27.540 as you go out

00:50:27.960 of here you

00:50:28.340 put on your

00:50:28.680 muller kit I

00:50:29.280 mean that doesn't

00:50:30.220 happen I mean

00:50:31.320 Cicero said the

00:50:32.480 great Roman

00:50:32.900 author and

00:50:33.520 philosopher Cicero

00:50:34.260 said to remain

00:50:36.000 ignorant of the

00:50:36.540 past is to

00:50:37.060 forever remain a

00:50:37.800 child yeah you'll

00:50:38.680 be groping around

00:50:39.320 in the dark if

00:50:39.940 you don't have at

00:50:40.600 least some

00:50:41.440 understanding of

00:50:42.540 what happened

00:50:42.920 before because the

00:50:44.340 regime in Tehran

00:50:45.620 is still the same

00:50:47.600 one that was

00:50:49.140 brought about in

00:50:49.580 1979 yeah

00:50:50.560 okay so it still

00:50:52.800 goes on to say I

00:50:53.420 mean I remember

00:50:53.920 during the

00:50:54.480 Ahmadinejad era

00:50:56.180 do you remember

00:50:57.520 one point they

00:50:58.160 captured some

00:50:59.400 SAS dude or

00:51:00.220 SBS guy do you

00:51:01.720 remember that I

00:51:02.540 think it was at the

00:51:03.080 very end of Blair or

00:51:04.000 during the Brown

00:51:04.640 years Southampton or

00:51:05.460 Portsmouth or

00:51:06.060 something like that

00:51:06.680 yeah so we're doing

00:51:07.660 some sort of special

00:51:08.480 forces stuff like in

00:51:09.520 Iranian waters yeah

00:51:10.940 there's all sorts of

00:51:12.180 stuff behind the

00:51:13.200 scenes going on

00:51:14.080 between us not just

00:51:15.860 us also America I

00:51:17.120 mean you remember

00:51:17.500 when Trump blew up

00:51:19.060 that Qasem

00:51:19.920 Soleimani dude at

00:51:21.500 an airport just

00:51:22.180 dropped a munition on

00:51:23.240 his head and he's a

00:51:24.280 really really important

00:51:25.200 guy in the Iranian

00:51:26.340 state they had like a

00:51:27.860 whole state funeral for

00:51:28.740 him and stuff

00:51:29.240 going on today what

00:51:31.540 we will undoubtedly

00:51:33.420 never really be ever

00:51:34.680 be told but without

00:51:35.900 doubt they're turning

00:51:36.740 around and going who

00:51:37.840 can we replace who can

00:51:39.420 we put as our puppet

00:51:40.660 into Iran i.e who do

00:51:43.140 we say will be the

00:51:44.020 democratic leader

00:51:45.160 Zelensky of Iran and

00:51:48.020 who are we going to

00:51:48.680 find that will do our

00:51:50.500 bidding whatever we say

00:51:51.760 and we can promote him

00:51:52.800 and we'll build up a

00:51:53.500 nice marketing package

00:51:54.480 about him we'll give

00:51:55.480 him some good

00:51:55.960 credentials we'll make

00:51:57.420 him or her look good

00:51:59.160 and then we can just

00:52:00.500 try and find the way

00:52:01.580 of manipulating those

00:52:02.800 in power in Iran to

00:52:04.760 say well look come on

00:52:05.840 our side and then let's

00:52:07.240 have another coup or we

00:52:08.360 assassinate someone else

00:52:09.440 there and we create the

00:52:10.680 gap for them to move

00:52:12.000 in that's happening all

00:52:13.420 the time now as we're

00:52:15.480 doing and trying to do

00:52:16.340 in China as we're trying

00:52:17.220 to do in Russia in

00:52:18.240 any country that is not

00:52:19.820 doing as they're told

00:52:21.140 to us we're doing that

00:52:22.700 all the time and all of

00:52:23.980 this isn't even to

00:52:24.700 mention the the Israel

00:52:26.560 angle no I mean depending

00:52:29.540 on how belligerent any

00:52:30.800 given Iranian government

00:52:31.840 is they say things like

00:52:32.760 we want to just roll

00:52:33.820 Israel into the sea and

00:52:34.880 stuff and Israel say we

00:52:36.340 will not allow that

00:52:37.280 obviously they say we

00:52:38.360 will not allow that to

00:52:39.340 happen whatever happens

00:52:40.100 you know the people

00:52:40.920 that are making decisions

00:52:41.760 in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem

00:52:43.300 or the State Department in

00:52:44.740 the United States yeah

00:52:46.040 absolutely they'll be

00:52:46.940 looking to how can we

00:52:48.420 manipulate Iran to be not

00:52:51.340 a danger to us anymore

00:52:52.520 and if we can get their

00:52:54.020 resources that's a sort of

00:52:55.260 extra gravy but yeah no

00:52:58.000 all that is absolutely

00:52:59.920 going on and once again

00:53:02.180 if you're just an Iranian

00:53:03.640 patriot or nationalist or

00:53:06.120 whatever you would just

00:53:07.360 resent that to the ends of

00:53:08.460 the earth wouldn't you

00:53:09.060 yeah all you want to say is

00:53:10.580 why can I not run my own

00:53:11.900 country in the way that we

00:53:12.840 want it to be run leave

00:53:14.020 us alone you know at the

00:53:16.900 end of the day let us run

00:53:17.660 our own assets our own

00:53:18.760 things to benefit our

00:53:20.220 nation why do you have to

00:53:22.220 try and take over and

00:53:23.740 control us and it's

00:53:25.220 ultimately about a long

00:53:26.560 term power game is he who

00:53:28.320 controls all the assets

00:53:29.240 controls the people and

00:53:31.140 then they can do what

00:53:31.800 they're doing to us today

00:53:32.840 and none of this is to

00:53:35.040 play defence or to be an

00:53:36.200 apologist for what Iran's

00:53:37.540 doing not at all I mean I

00:53:39.880 don't think George Bush was

00:53:41.700 wrong particularly to say

00:53:42.960 that Iran Iraq and North

00:53:44.800 Korea are an axis of evil

00:53:46.760 not particularly I mean I

00:53:49.760 don't look necessarily at

00:53:51.520 the leaders what I'm

00:53:52.220 worried about more about

00:53:53.040 is the people the people

00:53:54.540 don't have to go to work

00:53:55.400 in any of those countries

00:53:56.380 oh let's be clear make a

00:53:57.460 distinction between their

00:53:58.300 governments and the

00:53:59.140 average person of course

00:54:00.400 of course always got to do

00:54:01.520 that because at the end of

00:54:02.580 the day it's those people

00:54:03.540 who are suffering and when

00:54:04.620 I look at that what's

00:54:05.480 happened in Iran Iraq

00:54:07.280 Afghanistan yes and Syria

00:54:08.980 now what's going on

00:54:10.360 someone's lost their mum

00:54:11.700 someone's lost their dad

00:54:12.640 someone's lost their whole

00:54:13.400 families the anger inside of

00:54:15.420 them the solitude no wonder

00:54:17.640 you want to go off and kill

00:54:18.560 somebody else for what

00:54:19.960 you've done to their family

00:54:21.040 so you create terrorists

00:54:22.580 but the other side you also

00:54:23.980 create those who are

00:54:24.740 petrified who live their

00:54:26.320 lives in fear that's what

00:54:28.100 we end up doing and so what

00:54:30.680 we're playing on whether it's

00:54:31.920 banning the AFD for our

00:54:33.160 security services or look and

00:54:35.000 the result of Iran coming on

00:54:36.300 attacking us is part of what

00:54:37.720 you're talking about it's that

00:54:39.360 long-term feeling of people

00:54:40.740 saying I've had enough

00:54:41.720 now I've got a deep well of

00:54:42.940 sympathy for your average

00:54:44.180 North Korean person or

00:54:46.880 Iranian person that's just

00:54:48.180 depressed yeah yeah well so

00:54:51.140 one thing just to finish off on

00:54:53.620 roughly is the the the idea

00:54:56.680 that sort of well do you

00:54:57.600 remember when John McCain one

00:55:00.420 time deep state shill the late

00:55:03.540 John McCain he McCain he was

00:55:05.580 once asked something about

00:55:06.780 Iran and he said bomb bomb

00:55:10.400 bomb bomb bomb Iran it's a

00:55:12.860 take on Barbara Ann by the

00:55:15.160 Beach Boys but like okay that's

00:55:17.680 what the that's what the state

00:55:19.000 deep state would would want to

00:55:20.860 do replace Iran's leadership if

00:55:22.740 they could okay so there's just

00:55:25.860 all sorts of stuff going on with

00:55:27.640 Iran and now with just to finish

00:55:29.400 off here oh look there's a an old

00:55:31.320 article from the BBC how they

00:55:33.440 call us the old Fox they don't

00:55:36.340 they don't trust us not not

00:55:37.500 particularly probably should

00:55:38.620 they but yeah just say that the

00:55:41.680 the terrorism coming out of

00:55:43.760 Iran it's just the tip of the

00:55:46.000 iceberg I mean in in the UK we've

00:55:49.280 got here's a if I keep scrolling

00:55:51.700 down here's a list it says 75% of

00:55:55.240 all terrorist anti-terrorist work is

00:55:57.800 from Islamists and it's just a

00:55:59.240 giant list of of Islamic

00:56:02.200 organizations that we fear might

00:56:06.160 do terrorists that's not to

00:56:07.460 mention actual lone wolf

00:56:09.840 operators just quite quite a big

00:56:13.280 list and they're just the ones

00:56:14.680 that Wikipedia notoriously woke

00:56:16.420 notoriously captured Wikipedia

00:56:17.800 as I often look at that huge list

00:56:20.720 of the Quaker terrorist attacks you

00:56:22.620 know yeah just wonder how that

00:56:24.520 compares to them yeah Quakers yeah

00:56:27.140 the Catholic terrorists we have a

00:56:30.380 little table of them okay so well

00:56:33.940 my time's up so I have to leave it

00:56:35.360 there but just you know that that

00:56:38.760 happened over the weekend to

00:56:40.260 completely separate Iranian backed

00:56:42.200 terrorist plots were foiled or so

00:56:44.600 we're not going for Costa after this

00:56:46.540 then are we right so let me go

00:56:48.360 through the comments Neon

00:56:49.980 realist says just be glad they

00:56:52.660 identified the man in Swindon as an

00:56:54.540 Iranian rather than a Swindon man as

00:56:56.720 they infamously did with a Welsh man

00:56:58.700 from Cardiff interesting point

00:57:00.800 the thing is with these seven of the

00:57:02.000 eight they're just out and out

00:57:03.180 Iranian nationals yes they are you

00:57:06.360 know they've got Iranian passports

00:57:07.500 yeah that's it sigil stones 17 says

00:57:10.500 between this and the foil terror attack

00:57:12.520 in Brazil reportedly the FBI is

00:57:15.220 frantically calling both countries to

00:57:17.200 learn the secrets of how to stop an

00:57:19.320 attack before it happens I'm also

00:57:23.560 sigil stone 17 says thanks for your

00:57:26.460 comments I'm sure these men will

00:57:28.760 receive the harsh sentences they

00:57:30.520 deserve when they go before judge

00:57:32.360 Muhammad Abu Bakr Muhammad Shia

00:57:34.820 Malayn Muhammad yeah hapsification

00:57:37.520 says I would have recommended Greg's

00:57:40.080 sausage cheese and beans melt or the

00:57:42.840 pepperoni pizzas but it's not halal for

00:57:45.120 the IRGC yeah people are on form today

00:57:48.780 yeah are the steak bakes halal that's

00:57:51.000 what we need to know third one from

00:57:54.420 sigil stone 17 technically we didn't

00:57:57.120 blow up that Iranian general we shot a

00:58:00.140 sword missile at him yeah it was some

00:58:03.520 sort of missile yeah straight down yeah

00:58:06.000 drone okay yeah something yeah that's

00:58:08.620 right yeah should we go to the third

00:58:09.900 segment right let's see if we got it

00:58:12.080 here where are we on gosh it's moving

00:58:15.760 around really rapidly are we on where

00:58:19.760 were we live I think you right at the

00:58:23.560 beginning the first oh cool oh

00:58:25.780 fantastic you can use the little box

00:58:29.980 thing as well if you just want to flip

00:58:31.380 between yeah no I thought there was one

00:58:33.200 before that where there is that's it

00:58:35.860 there where we are so over the week

00:58:40.000 weekend on Friday we have show that I've

00:58:42.760 been a couple of times which is any

00:58:44.760 questions on the BBC a reasonably decent

00:58:47.560 decent program normally filled with lots

00:58:49.240 of lefties in the audience and Lucy

00:58:52.900 Powell MP MP for Manchester Central also

00:58:56.560 the leader of the House of Commons was on

00:58:59.340 it with Tim Montgomery who's a kind of

00:59:03.380 very liberally kindish generally nice guy

00:59:07.880 from the old conservatives who's become a

00:59:10.920 reform supporter on there and he manages

00:59:14.720 to start talking about a show that was on

00:59:19.260 Channel 4 Groomed and he asks the question

00:59:23.760 about how we've not got the kind of full

00:59:28.820 inquiries wasn't this a terrible show

00:59:31.120 doesn't it highlight lots of issues and

00:59:34.720 when you get on here I think this is quite

00:59:38.840 clear from here it should come up I don't

00:59:43.560 know if it plays you saw the documentary on

00:59:45.560 Channel 4 about rape gangs oh we want to

00:59:48.540 we want to blow that little trumpet now do we

00:59:50.800 yeah okay there is a real issue let's get

00:59:53.400 that dog whistle out shall we yeah where

00:59:55.660 count look right just to be clear she's

00:59:59.880 quite a senior leader of the house she's

01:00:01.900 leader of the house quite senior person

01:00:03.580 she's not a backbencher she's not a

01:00:05.320 backbencher she's very senior and she's

01:00:07.680 been selected from virtually a very young

01:00:10.680 age to become a senior member of the

01:00:12.760 Labour Party and I'll pick up on that so

01:00:14.860 that's what she actually says let that

01:00:16.500 dog whistle out when the topic of rape

01:00:18.260 gangs are is brought up and for me as a

01:00:22.780 Mancunian who lived literally a quarter

01:00:25.440 of a mile from her when I was seven she

01:00:27.860 was born we would probably played in the

01:00:29.900 same park lots of other different things

01:00:32.040 about it I find that disgusting utterly

01:00:35.300 horrendous to talk about these two girls

01:00:38.180 and many others who were groomed brutalized

01:00:42.000 raped all sorts of vile things that we've

01:00:46.480 seen in the trials you know about them how

01:00:49.020 their lives have utterly been destroyed

01:00:50.860 minimized and literally pushed into the

01:00:54.500 dustbin by someone like Lucy Powell who's

01:00:57.000 had a pretty good life of her own who never

01:00:59.640 had to have that same level of suffering or

01:01:02.140 pain and she comes around and says it's a

01:01:04.320 dog whistle for anybody to be able to

01:01:06.940 discuss it it's just to mention it just to

01:01:09.780 mention it's mere mention say that it's a

01:01:11.900 little dog whistle yeah hang on this is a

01:01:14.400 proper documentary not like adolescence which

01:01:17.860 was a TV show this should be shown in every

01:01:21.060 school across the country to show what is

01:01:23.600 out there for young girls to be aware of the

01:01:26.120 type of men that are willing to try and do

01:01:28.880 severe harm not the adolescence which is a TV

01:01:32.500 show made up by people who want to abuse

01:01:34.500 white white young boys this is a real life

01:01:37.360 story and that should be in schools and that's

01:01:39.540 my personal view on it and I get quite

01:01:41.800 passionate about it because you know I'm I'm

01:01:44.940 sick to death of the ignorance of the grooming

01:01:48.300 and I'm glad that I see Neil O'Brien who's come

01:01:50.480 out and they turn around because the immediate

01:01:52.160 response to it was very clear as we've done in

01:01:54.720 there here the immediate response is exactly

01:01:56.880 what it is it is abusive to ignore this

01:02:00.620 girls kept in cages made to act like dogs

01:02:03.340 given heroin raped injected by abusers

01:02:05.560 aborted fetuses dog whistles when you raise

01:02:09.080 that as an issue what human being what human

01:02:12.600 being even thinks like that to make that

01:02:15.140 sentence what is the character of that

01:02:17.560 individual to even think that that could

01:02:19.820 come out of her mouth in in response of

01:02:22.820 this it's morally reprehensible it's it's

01:02:26.460 amoral yeah Matthew Torbett nice guy

01:02:29.460 actually very left we I've spoken many times

01:02:32.100 with him and he's come on he says he's

01:02:34.280 normally lenient but and he said it smacks

01:02:37.660 of snobbery and someone who doesn't get it

01:02:40.560 well I think there is an element of snobbery in

01:02:42.440 our elites anyway I think certainly snobbery in

01:02:44.760 the Labour Party at the top of the tree when

01:02:47.140 they're all the Oxbridge types that have made

01:02:49.180 it in along the way but for having someone

01:02:51.180 of the left come out and say this so we've

01:02:54.360 had someone of the right someone of the

01:02:56.280 left and I'll give you another example

01:02:58.700 here Andrew Neil I think this is a really

01:03:03.340 pertinent way he said it Andrew Neil often

01:03:05.180 gets it you know he was pretty balanced he

01:03:07.280 is recognized now being of the right now

01:03:09.360 that he's independent but he was very

01:03:11.160 clearly independent when a journalist look we

01:03:13.640 get it no need to explain vulnerable white

01:03:16.340 working-class don't girls don't matter and

01:03:19.320 anybody who raises their enslavement and

01:03:21.300 horrific abuse by Asian rape gangs is a

01:03:23.960 dog whistling racist Lucy Powell of course

01:03:28.440 he's being sarcastic yeah he is Lucy Powell

01:03:30.980 don't take that at face value no she should

01:03:33.020 walk yeah she should be so ashamed at what

01:03:36.920 she said that she she should walk so she

01:03:40.320 tried to double down on it and Connor Tomlinson

01:03:42.420 got this and she said to turn around and

01:03:45.560 defend the dismissing of this scandals or

01:03:48.760 dog whistle but she deleted her tweets

01:03:51.620 then surprise surprise she comes out and

01:03:56.720 says she wants her apology I want everyone

01:04:00.180 to look at this as an apology look at the

01:04:03.240 way it was drafted in the heat of the

01:04:04.980 discussion I would like to clarify the

01:04:07.420 regard the issues of child exploitation and

01:04:09.620 grooming with the utmost seriousness child

01:04:12.940 exploitation and grooming not child

01:04:16.300 exploitation and grooming by Asians as

01:04:19.000 shown in the group in the film or the

01:04:21.280 documentary groomed the general child

01:04:24.100 exploitation and grooming everybody also

01:04:26.800 just sorry I just don't care if you're a

01:04:29.140 decent person you don't say things like

01:04:30.940 that yeah even during the heat of a

01:04:33.380 discussion yeah it's a just don't do it

01:04:35.140 a classic example of a non apology that's

01:04:37.660 right it's sort of like I'm sorry you

01:04:39.780 noticed I was challenging the political

01:04:42.480 point scoring not the issue itself well

01:04:45.940 I don't think from what we've just heard in

01:04:47.820 the question raised by by by I forgot his

01:04:52.980 name all of a sudden just the the the reform

01:04:55.480 chat there Monty so by Monty that it was

01:04:59.280 Ava a heated discussion it didn't sound

01:05:01.280 heated she made it heated by the way that

01:05:03.540 responded he was being pretty decent

01:05:05.940 interesting to see the first response there

01:05:07.560 on Twitter yeah handsome chap I don't know

01:05:11.900 who that is that's pretty well shall I

01:05:16.220 play that just it's just a tiny little

01:05:17.880 gif of Achilles because famously anyone

01:05:20.400 doesn't know Achilles yeah refused to

01:05:22.760 accept any sort of apology no no I'm not

01:05:26.600 that's pretty good I didn't choose that

01:05:28.620 because by the way but that was actually

01:05:30.640 pretty cool it's like no my anger isn't

01:05:32.660 sated actually no it's not good enough

01:05:35.720 actually and it's not good enough yeah so

01:05:38.460 she tries to apologize then Rupert Lowe comes

01:05:41.880 out and as many of us why is Lucy Powell

01:05:44.480 still in the cabinet because I I want to

01:05:47.380 say one thing I constantly hear leftists

01:05:50.580 talk about humanism and humane governance

01:05:53.180 and humane societies the p the people I've

01:05:56.820 met who are more disgusted of other human

01:06:01.100 beings on an interpersonal level we're

01:06:03.940 almost invariably leftist they hate actual

01:06:07.260 flesh and blood human being they love the

01:06:09.200 idea of human beings yeah they love the

01:06:11.760 idea of rhetoric and propaganda and during

01:06:14.920 the me too movement they did they did use

01:06:17.920 that rhetoric because they wanted to co-op

01:06:20.140 the movement and say only leftists care

01:06:23.140 about women who have been abused yeah but

01:06:27.400 now they have they they seem to be thinking

01:06:30.500 that we live in a different world and they

01:06:32.600 don't have any they don't they've calculated

01:06:35.340 they don't think they're gonna win any votes

01:06:37.720 this way so they literally show all their

01:06:40.920 vile that's right it's a classic thing for

01:06:43.140 leftists to be quite callow quite callous when

01:06:47.100 it comes to human life two quick examples one

01:06:48.760 famously Stalin said you know something like

01:06:51.240 i'm paraphrasing but like one death is a

01:06:53.240 tragedy but a million is just a statistic

01:06:55.180 or when mal said when mal was told during

01:06:57.480 the great leap forward that millions of

01:06:58.800 people are starving to death he said well

01:07:00.880 we only lost one finger we still got nine

01:07:02.940 left yes whoa madness it's the same it is

01:07:07.820 the ideology it's that thought that lack of

01:07:10.280 care the indecency of these yeah it's

01:07:13.280 indecent and i think showing herself has

01:07:15.600 been utterly indecent um and i think what

01:07:19.020 happens is rupert lowe picks up a very

01:07:21.260 different point obviously every time we

01:07:23.620 saw anything that was done by the

01:07:25.440 conservatives the labor party were out

01:07:27.240 saying resign resign resign boris should

01:07:29.400 sack them you know rishi should sack

01:07:31.420 them so the same question applies to them

01:07:34.140 when you've got something as serious as

01:07:35.700 this but of course not you know um out they

01:07:39.620 sent wes street ink and i i've got a minute i

01:07:43.180 do want to play this because i know i'm

01:07:45.340 playing too much but i just just try and

01:07:48.340 see you know one or two points about it

01:07:52.040 also move on to your colleague lucy powell

01:07:54.840 doesn't this sum up the problem for labor

01:07:56.980 and that's the fact that lucy powell a

01:07:59.460 government minister the leader of the

01:08:01.120 commons believes that if somebody points

01:08:03.540 out the grooming gang scandal in which

01:08:06.280 thousands of teenage girls were raped and

01:08:09.660 tortured somebody in labor points a finger

01:08:12.300 and says you're a bigot and a racist i don't

01:08:17.460 think that's what lucy thinks and feels

01:08:19.300 that's exactly what happened it's a dog

01:08:21.060 whistle issue she's she's rightly

01:08:24.500 apologized for what she said on radio

01:08:27.120 four on friday night and said like you

01:08:30.440 know she's made a genuine mistake she's

01:08:32.000 genuinely sorry what did she get i've been

01:08:34.120 in those sorts of debate programs before where

01:08:36.300 people what mistake did i've been in those

01:08:39.300 debate programs i've been well she she

01:08:42.300 shouldn't have said what she said to tim

01:08:43.300 montgomery that wasn't the right response

01:08:45.300 to fair and reasonable points he was

01:08:47.300 making well because she's she's human and

01:08:50.300 we make mistakes and i've been in those

01:08:52.300 there we go that she can be so callous and

01:08:56.300 nasty and awful and abusive is because she's

01:09:00.300 human and made a mistake isn't that the

01:09:04.300 same sort of exact human political mistake

01:09:07.300 that leads to people falling on their own

01:09:09.300 sword in politics and resigning but notice

01:09:11.300 how victims are denied humanity in this

01:09:14.300 case in there aren't they human too they

01:09:16.300 are very human but not human enough there's

01:09:18.300 a classic thing there's a difference between

01:09:19.300 we all know this because we speak for a

01:09:21.300 living essentially there's a classic

01:09:23.300 difference between miss speaking and that

01:09:25.300 definitely happens yes a number of times

01:09:27.300 i've meant to say queen elizabeth and i've

01:09:30.300 said queen victoria or the other way

01:09:31.300 around that sort of thing where you you

01:09:33.300 literally say the wrong thing there's

01:09:34.300 that yes okay or there's getting something

01:09:37.300 factually wrong okay we'll do it yeah

01:09:39.300 um and then there's having a whole take

01:09:41.300 whole world view uh which you allow out

01:09:45.300 there and that's not by accident no and

01:09:48.300 sometimes do you believe that do you

01:09:50.300 think that or not it's not like you

01:09:52.300 accidentally said the wrong word and you

01:09:53.300 meant a different word it's not that

01:09:55.300 that's like an american psycho moment

01:09:58.300 where he's sat with his with his friends

01:10:00.300 and he's at some point he says something

01:10:02.300 really off the really crazy and everyone

01:10:05.300 yeah yeah it's not a joke mate yeah yeah

01:10:08.300 and i think what you what you see with

01:10:10.300 politicians looking at this is that

01:10:11.300 they're absolutely very clear that

01:10:13.300 sometimes their outward look slips to

01:10:15.300 who they really are and what this is

01:10:17.300 showing is who she really is the true

01:10:20.300 colors the true colors are out from

01:10:22.300 but of course no surprise there we we've

01:10:25.300 got um incomes number 10 we we back her

01:10:28.300 she's made a decent non-apology and made

01:10:31.300 it so bland that it doesn't really

01:10:32.300 matter to the people that have been

01:10:33.300 abused uh and you know we've got others

01:10:38.300 now who start to attack her um we turn

01:10:41.300 around and say look this is perfectly

01:10:43.300 acceptable language but no it's not uh it we

01:10:47.300 we show what it really is now it's part of

01:10:51.300 denialism and i like this nick nick

01:10:53.300 dixon this is part of labor's denialism and

01:10:56.300 the less denialism when it comes down to

01:10:58.300 the fact that we're far worse things than

01:10:59.300 being called racist such as the rape and

01:11:02.300 torture of children absolutely true

01:11:04.300 yeah nick dixon friend of the show not

01:11:06.300 mincing his words there no good on him

01:11:08.300 not at all and nor should any of us mince our

01:11:11.300 words with this because this is bringing the

01:11:13.300 issue up and yet look at what she did

01:11:16.300 lucy powell once said herself horrific

01:11:18.300 details of systematic abuse in oxford

01:11:20.300 resonates with cases issues need wider

01:11:22.300 inquiry but that was 12 years ago yeah

01:11:25.300 12 years ago when she wasn't really in

01:11:27.300 power in the influence that she has but

01:11:30.300 she was saying it to show the kind of

01:11:32.300 person she is i'll lie then and i'll lie

01:11:35.300 now you know but here is something i think

01:11:39.300 is what some of the reasons i come down

01:11:41.300 and i'm trying to go cross on here what

01:11:45.300 are the reasons why they don't do it

01:11:48.300 um first of all sorry i'm not yet

01:11:52.300 learning your system is um actually she

01:11:54.300 doubled down first of all why why are

01:11:58.300 they doing it and i say first there's

01:11:59.300 denialism and so labor has that denialism

01:12:03.300 in their core they want to deny the issue

01:12:06.300 and just hide it because their political

01:12:08.300 the reasons that we need to have people

01:12:09.300 vote for us the the second is um the

01:12:13.300 denialism comes because you've seen them

01:12:16.300 argue that we've got to have these cases

01:12:18.300 been accepted but the third area i come is

01:12:21.300 asymmetric multiculturalism that we've got

01:12:24.300 here the sneering dismissal as mary

01:12:27.300 harrington puts out clearly points to a

01:12:28.300 paper about the way they look at the

01:12:31.300 scandal of pakistani majority rape gangs

01:12:33.300 and for the grievance which power is

01:12:36.300 contemptuously dismissed as a dog

01:12:37.300 whistle actually about it's what eric

01:12:39.300 Kaufman asymmetric multiculturalism in

01:12:42.300 which an ethnic majority is held to a

01:12:45.300 different standard to that of the

01:12:47.300 minorities that answers it all for

01:12:50.300 labor to be honest for them that's what

01:12:53.300 woke is yeah because multiculturalism says

01:12:56.300 we have many groups practicing their

01:12:58.300 culture asymmetric means that the state is

01:13:01.300 going to intervene and treat one group

01:13:04.300 as or the is going to be a higher group

01:13:09.300 let's say because there needs to be an

01:13:11.300 addressing of the historical injustices and

01:13:14.300 in fact this means there's a two-tier

01:13:17.300 society being established yeah and they

01:13:19.300 will ignore the fact here that there were

01:13:21.300 racially aggravated crimes and we haven't

01:13:23.300 seen any of that and and of course you

01:13:26.300 come to that and you say this

01:13:29.300 distinguishment look at her here she's

01:13:32.300 here at an iftar saying community of

01:13:36.300 chance a chance was all to come together

01:13:38.300 I don't see her in the same way doing

01:13:40.300 this as community events and as I said

01:13:42.300 we made jokes about you know going up

01:13:44.300 to Christians or Catholics or anything

01:13:46.300 like that it's because they are now so

01:13:49.300 towards their own ideological groups of

01:13:52.300 voters that that that human being their

01:13:55.300 characters are coming out by ignoring the

01:13:57.300 white working class rape will ignore it

01:13:59.300 but I'll go to a community iftar I mean

01:14:00.300 it's treasonous it's sort of the word

01:14:02.300 treason isn't even strong enough I don't

01:14:04.300 think I mean I think that if we do end

01:14:06.300 up in a war like the Balkans like

01:14:11.300 Yugoslavia had in the 90s if that ends

01:14:13.300 up happening here yeah decades and

01:14:17.300 centuries after that when historians

01:14:18.300 look back at the origins of why that

01:14:21.300 happened yes they'll look back at people

01:14:24.300 like her they'll look back to something

01:14:27.300 like the Runnymede trust yeah and

01:14:30.300 they'll say these were the seeds this

01:14:32.300 is what allowed it a situation like that

01:14:35.300 to even be possible yeah these are the

01:14:37.300 people that held their snobbery on their

01:14:39.300 own social differences and genuine in

01:14:42.300 inhuman beliefs that people can be

01:14:45.300 raped and believed for diversity

01:14:47.300 reasons this is what caused it is a

01:14:49.300 clip of Angela Rayner pandering to

01:14:53.300 Muslims yeah or whatever it's just not

01:14:57.300 only that and there is a fourth reason

01:14:59.300 why she is being protected and that is

01:15:02.300 because if you look at her wikipedia

01:15:07.300 which unfortunately last night was quite

01:15:09.300 good fun I had it on the phone I tried

01:15:11.300 to transfer it someone actually

01:15:12.300 completely changed her name to Lucy

01:15:15.300 Powell Mohammed Jadidun and completely

01:15:18.300 abused and changed it all supporting

01:15:21.300 her she's born in 74 she's leader of the

01:15:25.300 House of Commons Lord President of the

01:15:27.300 Council and and also a Privy Councillor

01:15:31.300 you know this is this coming across on

01:15:34.300 tonight it's quite shocking how she's

01:15:36.300 managed to achieve so much a very

01:15:40.300 important pillar of the political

01:15:42.300 establishment there's no two ways about

01:15:44.300 that yeah absolutely but the labour

01:15:47.300 political establishment and I've got to

01:15:49.300 hear it comes in here Lucy was born in

01:15:52.300 Moss Side she attended Beaver Road

01:15:54.300 Primary School and goes on then to say

01:15:58.300 she went to Password School which was up

01:16:00.300 the road from me Severian College which

01:16:02.300 wasn't a bad college and she was the

01:16:04.300 began a career is a parliamentary

01:16:06.300 assistant for Beverly Hughes when she

01:16:09.300 was 20 21 sorry that would have made her

01:16:12.300 23 but she was actually straight out of

01:16:14.300 uni or more or less straight out of

01:16:15.300 university she went into Milbout Tower

01:16:18.300 to work in the 1997 election so an

01:16:21.300 apparatchik a whole life yes straight

01:16:23.300 from there she went to work for

01:16:24.300 Beverly Hughes who was a Labour MP

01:16:27.300 who also oddly enough became a Privy

01:16:29.300 Councillor too in terms of that and

01:16:32.300 this I know Labour at Beverly Hughes

01:16:34.300 and she is a particularly sharp and

01:16:37.300 aggressive nasty person when I was there

01:16:41.300 to make sure she was a good EU person

01:16:44.300 she joined Patton, Kinnett, Clegg and

01:16:46.300 Danny Alexander and she ended up running

01:16:49.300 at a very early to now 29 running the

01:16:51.300 BIE for the referendum in 2005 and then

01:16:56.300 in 2010 she ran Ed Miliband's successful

01:17:00.300 campaign for the Labour Party leadership

01:17:02.300 all in a very very early age how did she

01:17:06.300 manage to get get get to that comes

01:17:09.300 down that she did have one loss she was

01:17:12.300 trying to be put into a seat in

01:17:13.300 Manchester Withington which is my my seat

01:17:15.300 where I grew up that would have been the

01:17:17.300 seat I would have stood for but she was

01:17:19.300 defeated in 10 so she was handed the

01:17:22.300 2012 elected seat in Manchester Central

01:17:26.300 now if we come along here

01:17:28.300 Beverly Hughes that we've just talked

01:17:30.300 about also a member of that Manchester

01:17:33.300 clan in Manchester we call it like the

01:17:35.300 Chicago of Labour is the it's the the

01:17:38.300 mafia of the North you cannot get

01:17:40.300 anything done unless you remember the

01:17:42.300 Labour Party or remember one of the

01:17:44.300 unions working within them and and

01:17:46.300 literally from housing to business

01:17:48.300 contracts it is enshrined up there

01:17:51.300 Simon Danzok had this pretty

01:17:53.300 interesting about Lucy Power was

01:17:55.300 parachuted into Tony Lloyd's

01:17:57.300 Manchester seat when he became

01:17:59.300 Greater Manchester Police

01:18:01.300 Commissioner I went up and stood

01:18:03.300 against Tony nice guy in many ways

01:18:06.300 but exactly that type of Labour person

01:18:08.300 from the North as a GM Commissioner I

01:18:10.300 didn't achieve anything because

01:18:11.300 Manchester is going to return anything

01:18:13.300 anything if you put a dog with a

01:18:15.300 rosette on in Manchester it will be

01:18:16.300 like and it's Labour they'll put that

01:18:18.300 in they don't care it will always be

01:18:20.300 Labour never will be anything else and

01:18:22.300 everybody else along with that every

01:18:24.300 job connected with that so and I've got

01:18:31.300 a hit I don't know why that's what she

01:18:36.300 she comes down here an article I found

01:18:38.300 quite interesting about her when she

01:18:41.300 got the job in Manchester Central she

01:18:43.300 talks here about it's a really dream

01:18:47.300 job she was tipped for roles in there

01:18:51.300 and she goes on to talk about her

01:18:53.300 family background in this in this

01:18:55.300 particular article one of the key

01:18:57.300 things I found in there is that she

01:18:59.300 said I work for Beverly Hills and I

01:19:01.300 work for all these people but my dad

01:19:03.300 was a was a kind of Labour top Labour

01:19:09.300 trade unionist and my mum was a

01:19:12.300 headmistress at one of the schools

01:19:14.300 that she went to on there so that's

01:19:18.300 just setting out where she was in

01:19:20.300 terms of that I think I'm coming down

01:19:24.300 to the next part about it she again

01:19:28.300 here emphasizes the fact she's a

01:19:30.300 most side she went to civilian school

01:19:34.300 she got to Oxford but I didn't like

01:19:36.300 Oxford to a year so I carried on and

01:19:38.300 went to university for two years and

01:19:41.300 my dad again was an always a Labour

01:19:43.300 person always involved in the heart

01:19:45.300 of Labour in Manchester and my aunts

01:19:48.300 and uncles also headmistresses so so

01:19:51.300 so died in the wall pinko yeah died in

01:19:54.300 the wall pinko living in a nice area

01:19:57.300 but claiming to be from Moss side now

01:20:00.300 the reason I'm going to say this

01:20:01.300 here is I put it I'm going to put this

01:20:03.300 map on here fog lane park there that

01:20:07.300 is literally where I lived just above

01:20:09.300 there that this area here is a massive

01:20:12.300 council estate and I live there this

01:20:15.300 is where she lived on the other side

01:20:18.300 this little triangle here was regarded

01:20:20.300 as where all the people who were

01:20:22.300 wealthy the doctors the business people

01:20:24.300 the headmistresses all the houses that

01:20:27.300 we would walk past with mouths dropped

01:20:29.300 down only wish we could live in that

01:20:31.300 sort of thing that is nowhere near in

01:20:33.300 Moss side her school beaver school was

01:20:37.300 literally here down here in the middle

01:20:40.300 of it over here St. Bernard's all

01:20:44.300 sea was what was my school down here

01:20:46.300 around this area is where she went to

01:20:49.300 her grammar school parswood school that

01:20:54.300 was always getting the capture area of

01:20:56.300 the middle class of Cheadle and some of

01:20:58.300 the nice areas so she's lived in a

01:21:00.300 comfortable life a comfortable area

01:21:03.300 with all the kind of trappings of a

01:21:06.300 kind of nice middle-class area nothing

01:21:08.300 wrong with that I would say on

01:21:10.300 principle a dad was a well endowed and

01:21:14.300 well-connected labor person she has

01:21:17.300 teachers as parents so she got to

01:21:19.300 Oxford she's on the route she is part

01:21:21.300 of the effective royal family of the

01:21:24.300 Northwest labor movement and that is

01:21:27.300 why she's being protected and she's

01:21:29.300 nowhere near being able to claim

01:21:31.300 herself as being born in Moss side

01:21:33.300 no one's born in Moss side you were

01:21:34.300 born in the hospital in Withington

01:21:35.300 Hospital which isn't there and she

01:21:37.300 didn't grow up in that area either so

01:21:39.300 she comes along that great tranche of

01:21:41.300 Labour MPs as I was a solicitor actually

01:21:45.300 no I wasn't oh I worked in the Bank of

01:21:47.300 England as an economist actually no I

01:21:50.300 didn't I lived in Moss side actually

01:21:52.300 no I didn't but they put these down to

01:21:55.300 bolster their CVs to say I'm down with

01:21:58.300 the man and woman of the people I'm

01:22:00.300 down with a working class when there's

01:22:02.300 nothing working class about her but

01:22:03.300 what she doesn't have is any class

01:22:06.300 whatsoever with a statement that

01:22:08.300 she's made that it's dog whistling

01:22:10.300 about grooming gangs what she's got

01:22:13.300 seems to be a streak of contempt for

01:22:16.300 those victims if anything totally

01:22:18.300 absolutely totally reprehensible

01:22:20.300 irreprehensible and so that's my

01:22:22.300 little piece I'm a little bit short on

01:22:24.300 it obviously on there but I think

01:22:26.300 really when you're looking at this

01:22:28.300 whole picture it's damaging to the

01:22:30.300 Labour Party in a huge way because

01:22:33.300 actually what I didn't show on the

01:22:34.300 other side of that graph is where

01:22:35.300 Angela Rayner was so it's literally

01:22:37.300 and I was in the middle of Angela

01:22:39.300 Rayner and her and I was seven when

01:22:42.300 she was born so it's not too

01:22:44.300 different in an age group it's not too

01:22:46.300 different in knowing the area of what

01:22:47.300 Manchester was like in lots of places

01:22:50.300 it was really deeply impoverished it

01:22:52.300 was you know a cold time we went

01:22:54.300 through the miners strikes we went

01:22:56.300 through lights being switched out and

01:22:58.300 where Angela Rayner lives she did live in

01:23:00.300 a really horrid part of Stockport not a

01:23:03.300 nice place to grow up with a plot of

01:23:06.300 impoverishment there so she would have

01:23:08.300 really known it so to be able to turn

01:23:10.300 around and say that Angela you know

01:23:13.300 Lucy Powell lived in the same way that

01:23:16.300 others did at that time I find that for

01:23:19.300 me pretty annoying and it angers me a lot

01:23:22.300 to have those claims she's had huge

01:23:25.300 amounts of benefits given to her

01:23:28.300 advantages that many people would not

01:23:30.300 have the opportunity of how many people

01:23:32.300 think they would have been able to

01:23:33.300 simply walk into Labour party's head

01:23:36.300 office in 97 under Blair Mandelson and

01:23:39.300 all the rest and get a job in there

01:23:41.300 when you're 23 when you're 23 not

01:23:43.300 without the right connections not

01:23:45.300 without the right connections so she

01:23:46.300 was selected actual privilege she's

01:23:49.300 been privileged she is a privileged

01:23:52.300 person and she's abusing people who

01:23:54.300 have no privilege so I think I can

01:23:57.300 rant on about her and her ilk but

01:23:59.300 what it is really really showing to

01:24:01.300 me is the Labour Party coming out of

01:24:04.300 actually who they are at the top end

01:24:06.300 the Fabianists those people who may

01:24:09.300 might be part of the cooperative

01:24:10.300 movement who shouldn't be there and

01:24:12.300 that's that that's the type of

01:24:14.300 individual we really need to

01:24:15.300 challenge.

01:24:16.300 In Road to Wigan Pier George Orwell

01:24:18.300 very eloquently talks about that sort

01:24:20.300 of middle-class academic socialist type

01:24:23.300 yeah and the they're just they're

01:24:26.300 horrid horrid people right so let's go

01:24:30.300 to the comments and Samson before

01:24:32.300 play the videos we have more time

01:24:34.300 today's some Monday yep right okay so

01:24:37.300 should sigil stone 17 does Britain have

01:24:40.300 an equivalent on the 19th amendment

01:24:42.300 should repeal that too no okay let's

01:24:45.300 scroll up Samson please J 66 8 18 19

01:24:52.300 Labour politicians are terrified of

01:24:53.300 alienating Muslims because they know

01:24:56.300 they will at some point have to rely on

01:24:58.300 their votes to stay in power I think

01:25:00.300 that at some point if a critical mass of

01:25:03.300 population has been reached they'll

01:25:05.300 start forming their own parties it's

01:25:07.300 already happening isn't it it's

01:25:08.300 already happening and dynamic is already

01:25:10.300 playing out yeah we saw that in the

01:25:11.300 local councils in Burnley where a 18

01:25:14.300 year old girl has just been elected

01:25:17.300 when she said there should be

01:25:18.300 segregation of men and women yes and

01:25:20.300 there's another comment by Threadnought

01:25:22.300 that I don't think I can read out

01:25:24.300 loud who's the like Jess Phillips will

01:25:29.300 lose her seat next time almost

01:25:31.300 certainly because of the Islamic vote

01:25:34.300 vote because they don't they're not

01:25:35.300 slavishly voting Labour anymore no

01:25:37.300 they're not she will lose right

01:25:40.300 respective of what she says let's go

01:25:42.300 to the video comments and then your

01:25:44.300 comments on the website the Bonsau

01:25:49.300 bomber pretty cool oh that is cool

01:25:56.300 nice that's a proper proper comment

01:26:11.300 yeah proper sleeve engine

01:26:14.300 I don't think I could say much more to

01:26:29.300 emphasize that just to say on Sunday

01:26:32.300 the last epochs that just went up on

01:26:34.300 our website last Sunday was me talking

01:26:35.300 to Alex that steam guy masters all

01:26:38.300 about the history of the steam engine

01:26:39.300 right so and he does all stuff like

01:26:42.300 this in his spare time I love that

01:26:44.300 type of thing yeah yeah let's go to

01:26:46.300 old English parts of our history to

01:26:48.300 remind ourselves what we once were

01:26:50.300 great so Samson do we have any other

01:26:52.300 video okay great so let's go to the

01:26:56.300 comments Carl Lane Sloan banning a

01:27:00.300 party only does three things makes it

01:27:02.300 more attractive makes it more

01:27:04.300 likely that the most fringe elements

01:27:06.300 will be willing to turn to violence

01:27:08.300 to achieve the party's ends and makes

01:27:10.300 people trust the political process less

01:27:12.300 I think that's in line with what we

01:27:14.300 said before about the action and

01:27:16.300 reaction principle as a description

01:27:18.300 Steven said putting them in a box you

01:27:20.300 said powder keg I said pressure cooker

01:27:22.300 it's all the same thing yeah if you

01:27:24.300 keep that it will explode in it it's

01:27:28.300 bad news it will explode in it just

01:27:29.300 don't do it right metaphorically I'm

01:27:32.300 talking about metaphorically hope not

01:27:33.300 hate not talking about actual explosions

01:27:35.300 bigger hero for 10 years since reading

01:27:39.300 and watching politics I've been more

01:27:40.300 convinced democracy at this point is

01:27:43.300 really two wolves deciding which sheep

01:27:45.300 to eat and the ship electing which of

01:27:47.300 them should be eaten oh a lot of

01:27:51.300 interesting way of thinking claim to

01:27:53.300 protect democracy or protecting their

01:27:55.300 democracy and they don't care about

01:27:58.300 people feign scotty of swendon Germany

01:28:02.300 learned within quotation marks from

01:28:04.300 their past but not in the way they

01:28:05.300 claim they learned that people will

01:28:07.300 tolerate a lot in the name of

01:28:09.300 progressives more justice and the

01:28:10.300 people will not accept claims of

01:28:12.300 authoritarianism give the devil his

01:28:14.300 due they have learned how to rebrand

01:28:16.300 their authoritarianism as democratic and

01:28:20.300 rebranded their opponents legitimate

01:28:22.300 democratic concerns as extremism it's

01:28:24.300 horrifyingly efficient I think that's a

01:28:26.300 really good call that's actually a

01:28:28.300 really really efficient way of

01:28:30.300 actually explaining what's happening

01:28:32.300 out there in some ways thing that

01:28:33.300 sprung to my mind was the enabling

01:28:35.300 act and remembers Mr. Hitler's

01:28:38.300 enabling act basically saying when

01:28:40.300 you're not allowed to have opposition

01:28:41.300 there is no more opposition now I

01:28:43.300 mean obviously what they're doing

01:28:45.300 today against the FD is much less

01:28:47.300 explicit than that but nonetheless it's

01:28:49.300 it's a slippery slope it's going down

01:28:52.300 that avenue I once I once had a very

01:28:54.300 interesting conversation with some

01:28:56.300 senior Russians about how why is it

01:28:58.300 Britain and the rest don't like us

01:28:59.300 and you know what we got against

01:29:01.300 Putin and I said to them look you

01:29:03.300 know Putin's a dictator we've got

01:29:05.300 dictators we've got very wealthy

01:29:07.300 people and businesses and

01:29:08.300 corporations running our you know

01:29:10.300 back end all you need to do is

01:29:12.300 learn how we do it if you copied our

01:29:14.300 BBC and copied the way that the

01:29:16.300 German security services do at AFD

01:29:18.300 and everyone will call you a

01:29:19.300 democracy but you'd still keep all

01:29:21.300 yeah but you'd still keep all the

01:29:23.300 people you don't like in control

01:29:24.300 yeah just take a leaf out of our

01:29:26.300 books yeah Putin's Medvedev musical

01:29:29.300 chairs it's just a little less

01:29:30.300 sophisticated that's right than our

01:29:32.300 red and blue rosettes that's right

01:29:33.300 yeah Aaron go on sorry Aaron von

01:29:37.300 Warhawk says the European governments

01:29:39.300 are terrified of the Nazis getting

01:29:40.300 power and so take action to block any

01:29:42.300 right-wing party from gaining power

01:29:44.300 willingly ignorant to the fact of the

01:29:47.300 the fact it was the failure of the

01:29:49.300 Weimar Republic to address issues

01:29:51.300 such as economic freefall moral

01:29:53.300 degeneracy and communist terror that

01:29:55.300 caused the Nazis to come to power in

01:29:57.300 the first place banning parties won't

01:29:59.300 fix the social pressures tearing

01:30:00.300 Europe apart and will only make

01:30:02.300 people more extreme going forward

01:30:04.300 I absolutely think when you look at

01:30:06.300 the history that the Nazi party was a

01:30:08.300 reaction to Bolshevism yes I think

01:30:11.300 that's I think that's true how

01:30:14.300 reading of history sorry okay alpha of

01:30:17.300 the beaters and then we go to your

01:30:19.300 segment Bo okay AFDR Nazis who want

01:30:23.300 less government regulation less

01:30:24.300 taxation limits on mass migration you

01:30:26.300 know classic Nazi stuff okay do you

01:30:32.300 want me to read or do you if you don't

01:30:34.300 mind okay of course Ben Shaprio

01:30:37.300 overdosing on fentanyl I like I don't

01:30:42.300 know if it's the same I don't know

01:30:44.300 Ben Shapiro overdosing on fentanyl

01:30:45.300 that's the name of the account by the

01:30:47.300 way the name of the account I don't

01:30:49.300 I don't know if this is the same

01:30:50.300 subscriber but if it is it's a

01:30:52.300 subscriber who constantly changes the

01:30:54.300 name and is talking about stuff and

01:30:57.300 he had me doing something to an

01:30:59.300 olive oil thing at some point okay

01:31:01.300 okay so it says terror plot in

01:31:05.300 Swindon foil the day after Josh

01:31:07.300 leaves Lotus Eaters coincidence

01:31:09.300 I hope that's not Josh being pulled

01:31:14.300 away there with his last bun yeah

01:31:16.300 have we heard from him since I was

01:31:17.300 gonna say has anyone is there any

01:31:19.300 independent verification that it's not

01:31:21.300 Josh don't think Josh counts as an

01:31:23.300 Iranian to be honest no no no I was

01:31:26.300 gonna say thank Scotty of Swindon as

01:31:28.300 the thing of this proud bro I would

01:31:30.300 like to wholeheartedly take credit for

01:31:33.300 foiling the Iranian terrorist plots

01:31:35.300 people of Wessex rest assured I'm

01:31:37.300 always watching all of you I'm glad

01:31:40.300 we've got people with good senses of

01:31:41.300 humor on it on a Monday someone did

01:31:43.300 make a joke in the office that exact

01:31:44.300 same joke we just made about Josh but

01:31:46.300 with AA with academic agent yeah it's

01:31:49.300 obviously bent obviously just a joke

01:31:51.300 mucking about has anyone seen Dr.

01:31:53.300 Palvinis has been accounted for yeah

01:31:55.300 since the arrest for hours right okay

01:31:58.300 George Hap says it took Josh one on the

01:32:01.300 ground mission in Swindon to convince

01:32:03.300 him to leave please stay in the office

01:32:05.300 where the most dangerous person is

01:32:07.300 Stelios well you've actually got a

01:32:11.300 black belt and you've done military

01:32:12.300 service you might be the most dangerous

01:32:14.300 person in the office I don't know I'm

01:32:16.300 off now I'm gonna hobble off I'm

01:32:18.300 deactivated right okay Brian Tomlinson if

01:32:24.300 the Iranian government is helping

01:32:26.300 dangerous people enter the UK the

01:32:28.300 obvious answer is to stop all

01:32:29.300 immigration from Iran sure Omar award

01:32:34.300 the ones that already here back to

01:32:35.300 the country of their home of their

01:32:36.300 forefathers Omar award says balaclava

01:32:40.300 slap an Uber eats slugger on him and

01:32:43.300 he'd be indistinguishable from the

01:32:45.300 other rabble that's a sort of cryptic

01:32:50.300 Heraclitian I was gonna say I kind of

01:32:53.300 trying to work that one out myself okay

01:32:55.300 Alex Ogle says the only hope with the

01:32:57.300 educational establishment pardon me the

01:33:02.300 only hope with the educational

01:33:03.300 establishments trying to inculcate the

01:33:05.300 next generation is that the teachers

01:33:07.300 are the product of the last my

01:33:09.300 generation Gen X going into millennial

01:33:11.300 knew not to argue back against the

01:33:13.300 boomers because they were skilled in

01:33:15.300 sophistry Gen X and millennials are a

01:33:18.300 lot less skilled and so it is much

01:33:20.300 easier for zoomers to argue back

01:33:24.300 perhaps perhaps a fair point perhaps

01:33:27.300 a fair point yeah I like how boomers

01:33:30.300 get the safe and become the safe

01:33:35.300 well they're basically I mean we use

01:33:36.300 that as quite a broad term rather than

01:33:37.300 purely the baby boomers of 1946 7 we

01:33:40.300 mean it's a bit broader don't we

01:33:42.300 usually but yeah I mean they're the

01:33:44.300 sort of basically the oldest

01:33:45.300 generation now there are a few people

01:33:46.300 that have the generation before left

01:33:48.300 but not many and so basically we live

01:33:50.300 in a completely dominated post-world

01:33:53.300 war 2 paradigm world yeah and we're

01:33:55.300 only now beginning to break out of it

01:33:57.300 it seems hopefully yeah fingers crossed

01:34:00.300 I mean I don't know if this narrative

01:34:02.300 the anti-boomer narrative is it's a

01:34:04.300 bit too generalizing but there are some

01:34:06.300 people of the category of that age

01:34:08.300 bracket who are a bit selfish and I

01:34:10.300 remember it when I was at economics

01:34:14.300 school university I remember a very old

01:34:17.300 professor who said I care about three

01:34:19.300 things money money and money and he

01:34:22.300 seems to fall under the category of the

01:34:24.300 you know only GDP caring about it's a

01:34:27.300 cliche for a reason that the boomers

01:34:29.300 are so selfish because it does ring

01:34:31.300 through loads however having said that

01:34:34.300 there are some boomers who are crazily

01:34:37.300 based yeah and it must be so

01:34:39.300 frustrating for them to yeah to be

01:34:42.300 tarred with the same brush and those

01:34:44.300 that didn't make as much money in the

01:34:45.300 same period as well it's got a lot of

01:34:47.300 I do like to stick up for the base

01:34:49.300 boomers yeah although they're in a

01:34:51.300 minority I do think sounds like a great

01:34:52.300 I do think sounds like a great

01:34:54.300 yeah right do you want me to

01:34:57.300 comments for yours I'll give it a go I

01:34:59.300 can see some here so the first one is

01:35:01.300 Jan Havy is that s or five yes

01:35:04.300 Jan V Jan V so what's telling is that

01:35:07.300 that that was her gut reaction to the

01:35:09.300 question on grooming gangs it gave the

01:35:11.300 vibe of are we talking about this

01:35:13.300 again or let's get over with it and

01:35:15.300 her apology to me did not seem sincere

01:35:18.300 just trying to make excuses and I

01:35:20.300 and I and I think that's what we're

01:35:21.300 saying we can we can't really excuse

01:35:23.300 what she's saying it is genuinely part

01:35:25.300 of her and she's trying to hide it

01:35:26.300 now it's a true colors and that

01:35:28.300 apology was more like I'm sorry that

01:35:30.300 you noticed I'm sorry your butt hurt

01:35:32.300 yeah about it yeah like it's what a

01:35:36.300 douche bag I just do hope she gets

01:35:38.300 the morality to actually resign and

01:35:41.300 Thane Scoti of Swindon he said

01:35:45.300 remember these people only have this

01:35:46.300 attitude because they've never

01:35:47.300 encountered this or they believe that

01:35:49.300 they believe that they and no one they

01:35:51.300 care about will ever be affected by

01:35:53.300 these issues very true compel these

01:35:55.300 people to have to confront the problem

01:35:57.300 they deny remember the Lib Dems won

01:35:59.300 seats in the recent local elections on

01:36:01.300 the platform I hate headphone dodgers

01:36:04.300 when things change for them they

01:36:05.300 start addressing the issue whether or

01:36:07.300 not they acknowledge it to be honest

01:36:09.300 again that's part of what we're seeing

01:36:11.300 with just the elites in general I mean

01:36:13.300 we're comfortable we're okay look at

01:36:15.300 my house look my car look at the

01:36:16.300 money look at the pension that you've

01:36:17.300 given to me I don't need to really

01:36:19.300 care about you too much but oh gosh

01:36:21.300 isn't that bad when it happens as long

01:36:23.300 as I can go back home later it's crazy

01:36:25.300 how often that plays out that until

01:36:27.300 it personally affects them I think

01:36:28.300 perhaps just one anecdotal example

01:36:30.300 Anna Kasparian when she was I think

01:36:33.300 mild or some sort of sexual assault

01:36:35.300 mild sexual assault some sort of

01:36:36.300 harassment in a street or a park then

01:36:39.300 it was a problem then you're allowed to

01:36:41.300 notice it because it happened to her

01:36:42.300 yes but that just that as one example

01:36:45.300 plays out so many times that's very

01:36:47.300 true that people are these sort of

01:36:49.300 crazy lefty liberals turkeys voting for

01:36:53.300 Christmas and then something horrible

01:36:54.300 happens to them and suddenly they

01:36:56.300 become a bit a bit more realistic

01:36:58.300 yeah great let's let's be able to

01:37:03.300 learn from the mistakes and the

01:37:05.300 tragedies of other people's lives yeah

01:37:07.300 yeah so just I think then we've got

01:37:10.300 sorry the unbreakable litany says that

01:37:12.300 funny thing about dog whistles is that

01:37:14.300 one has to be a dog to hear it you

01:37:16.300 want to explain how you've made that

01:37:17.300 connection yourself madam are you a

01:37:19.300 racist and I think that's actually a

01:37:22.300 good point I mean they mind you the

01:37:25.300 Labour Party like to use the word dog

01:37:26.300 whistle all the time almost any issue

01:37:28.300 if they can and we have Kevin Fox here

01:37:31.300 that the Korean spa shooting the media

01:37:33.300 and authorities rushed to post images of

01:37:35.300 the shooter and call him white and

01:37:38.300 intimate intimate it was a white

01:37:40.300 supremacist shooting until it turned

01:37:41.300 out he was Syrian then they all shut up

01:37:44.300 pretty damn quick and stop reporting

01:37:46.300 on the event I think that's going back

01:37:48.300 really to your your point we're talking

01:37:49.300 about Swindon to be honest how

01:37:51.300 everyone's already said it's Iranian

01:37:52.300 nationals before anyone else and a

01:37:55.300 last comment from Russian garbage

01:37:58.300 human hi from Litchfield Cathedral

01:38:00.300 a bunch of us low to see this fans

01:38:02.300 our country on currently on a day out in

01:38:04.300 Litchfield incredibly pretty city

01:38:07.300 England lives on have a lovely time

01:38:10.300 Russian yeah that's lovely I hope you

01:38:11.300 will have a wonderful time Litchfield

01:38:13.300 is lovely and the cathedral is

01:38:14.300 gorgeous right so we have run out of

01:38:17.300 time thank you very much for your

01:38:19.300 segments today I had a really good

01:38:21.300 time and hope you appreciated them and

01:38:24.300 see you tomorrow at 1 p.m. thank you and

01:38:28.300 goodbye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 05, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1157

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