The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1158

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Caesars for Tuesday,

00:00:12.220 the 6th of May, 2025. I'm John Bristelios, Luke Avery, and Adam Coleman, packed house today.

00:00:19.480 And we're going to be talking about how the elites in Britain are panicking because they

00:00:24.300 have forsaken their duty and gone and joined the Met Gala, although they're American elites,

00:00:28.340 but either way, same principle, and how the next Catholic conclave is going to elect a

00:00:33.400 woke Pope.

00:00:34.440 We can't see the future, but there's a decent chance.

00:00:37.580 Yeah, we can, we can, we can. Yeah, it's, God, I hate the future so much. I miss the past,

00:00:44.880 man, the past is just sort of...

00:00:46.460 What a traditionalist attitude.

00:00:48.060 Yeah, well, around 1300, I'm thinking, it's probably...

00:00:50.580 The Evalidate.

00:00:51.880 Yeah, about the high point of just civilisation.

00:00:54.780 Probably.

00:00:55.040 Anyway, right, so let's, let's begin. So, uh, Nigel Farage's recent, uh, seismic victory

00:01:01.580 in the local elections has got them all panicking, and they don't know what to do. They realise

00:01:07.920 that something has changed, the sand has shifted under their feet, uh, and they're struggling

00:01:12.160 for purchase, and I don't think they're going to find any. Uh, so this is an article from

00:01:16.220 The Times, The Times being one of the most, um, prestigious and well-read newspapers in the

00:01:21.260 country. It's where, it's where the elites go to get their narrative, and, well, as you

00:01:25.320 can see here, Nigel Farage has blown apart two-party politics. Uh, here's what's next.

00:01:29.320 And Tim here makes a good point, actually, because Nigel Farage's achievement for all

00:01:33.980 of Nigel Farage's faults and failures, uh, is quite remarkable, uh, but it really speaks

00:01:38.880 to a broader failure of the political establishment at large.

00:01:41.840 So, he says, Nigel Farage has no government departments, no ministers, no budgets, no civil

00:01:46.560 service, no staff of hundreds, and yet he is writing the story of British party, uh,

00:01:50.520 politics right now. Meanwhile, Keir Starmer has all of the powers of the British state,

00:01:54.840 and one of the best election machines in the world, and does not have a story. If the government

00:01:59.060 doesn't know and can't communicate what it is for, and who it is against in a way that

00:02:03.420 emotionally connects with an electorate, then this is the outcome. And the thing is,

00:02:07.620 they do have a story, it's a white man bad. Literally all the story is.

00:02:14.480 Heard this story many times.

00:02:16.040 Yes, and, I mean, Keir Starmer was, he couldn't have been more crystal clear when the Southport

00:02:20.640 massacre happened. He's like, listen, you far-right white people, get back in your box. And that's

00:02:25.640 almost word for word what he said. And so, the panic, you can see, is like, well, look,

00:02:31.560 we've been selling the long-standing betrayal of the British electorate and treason to them,

00:02:36.740 and they've finally gotten wise. And so, what do we do? They don't have an answer.

00:02:42.700 Yeah, and it seems like Farage often is the focal point for people who dislike that story,

00:02:49.260 the people who want to push back against the narrative we've been being told so many times.

00:02:55.140 But often that energy seems to reach a pinnacle, and then Farage mysteriously disappears.

00:03:00.680 That has happened a couple of times.

00:03:01.960 So, in a way, Starmer's best power is his opposition being ineffective, I would argue.

00:03:11.420 Yeah, I mean, he's, I think they're worried at this point, because Farage actually seems

00:03:15.940 to be doing something. He finally seems to have...

00:03:18.720 Yes, but I've heard this story many times before. Farage has been incredibly effective

00:03:23.140 at doing things.

00:03:24.180 Yes.

00:03:24.600 And then also, incredibly consistent, disappearing.

00:03:26.640 Then he pulls the football up, and you woof!

00:03:28.640 Yeah.

00:03:29.540 I mean, to add to Luke's point that Labour's main weapon is the ineffectiveness of the opposition,

00:03:35.940 it was a victory that was anti-Tory.

00:03:38.420 Yes.

00:03:38.940 There wasn't a particularly widespread enthusiasm with Starmer.

00:03:42.840 No, that's true. So, I mean, in fact, he goes on to point that out.

00:03:47.080 While things are bad for Labour, they're an existential threat to the Tories.

00:03:50.320 And that is true. I mean, Labour is getting an absolute drubbing.

00:03:53.460 And it's proportionally about the same. They both lost about two-thirds of their councillors

00:03:56.940 during this election. So, this, for the two main parties, you know, imagine if, you know,

00:04:00.940 in America, the Republicans and Democrats both lost two-thirds of their sort of local politicians

00:04:06.020 to third parties. You'd be like, well, how the hell is this happening?

00:04:09.840 And that's what's happening here.

00:04:12.200 So, it's now, like, there's a great quote, actually.

00:04:15.540 But, yeah. So, this is the first time the Conservatives have not won a majority in a single council

00:04:22.380 since the local government system was created in 1889.

00:04:27.140 So, this is, yeah, historically bad.

00:04:31.020 I mean, it's bad for Labour, but they are in a stronger position, the Conservatives.

00:04:34.740 And one person that he speaks to in this says the Conservative Party is basically its councillors.

00:04:39.360 They're the ones who organise everything.

00:04:41.820 And, essentially, if the next year's local elections are the same as this year's,

00:04:46.400 wiped out in key councils like Staffordshire and Kent, it will cease to be a functioning party.

00:04:50.740 So, you might think that the current person in charge of the party,

00:04:54.200 Yoruba Mammy Kimmy Badenoch, would be on top of all this.

00:04:59.000 She'd be like, right, I'm the party leader.

00:05:00.300 I have to start making some affirmative action.

00:05:02.520 I have to do something.

00:05:03.740 But, instead, quote, insiders say that Badenoch spent much of Friday, quote,

00:05:07.820 doom-scrolling on her phone.

00:05:09.680 Great.

00:05:10.460 While Robert Jenrick, her potential successor, went out to do a series of live interviews.

00:05:14.680 Aides said she wants to learn lessons.

00:05:16.700 And donors who had sat out the local elections were rallying around,

00:05:20.120 handing over half a million pounds to a woman who was doom-scrolling on her phone.

00:05:24.940 It's like, sorry, what are we doing here?

00:05:26.560 This is a party that's ripe to die, right? Surely.

00:05:29.680 It's crazy.

00:05:30.100 The Conservative Party, the most successful party in the world.

00:05:33.360 I've heard, quote-unquote, yeah.

00:05:35.020 That they've effectively won more elections in a longer period of time.

00:05:39.860 But, if it genuinely does collapse, but all the same people just move to some new replacement,

00:05:47.400 I think we might see a bit of the rose with any other name smells as sweet,

00:05:51.400 that we might see a repeat of the same wet behaviour just reappearing.

00:05:56.540 And it's kind of crazy that Nigel Farage is prepared to take Tory defectors.

00:05:59.900 Why are you taking any defectors? Crush them all and drive them out of politics.

00:06:03.060 You're in a position to do it.

00:06:04.200 It's pointless to just rename your party by some circuitous route.

00:06:08.300 But the ribbon's slightly lighter blue.

00:06:09.880 You're right. That's a good point.

00:06:11.500 Slightly lighter blue will change everything.

00:06:13.820 Yeah.

00:06:14.420 I take it back.

00:06:15.360 So, the point being, it's bad for the Labour Party, but it's even worse for the Conservative Party.

00:06:20.240 But the thing is, at least in the Conservative Party, there's a sense that they're like,

00:06:23.720 OK, we have to do something different.

00:06:25.140 We'll get to that in a minute.

00:06:25.820 In the Labour Party, you've got people like Wes Streeting, which is the current health secretary,

00:06:29.220 saying like, no, mistakes weren't made.

00:06:31.880 We didn't make any mistakes.

00:06:32.880 It's like, you lost two-thirds of your councillors, mate.

00:06:34.940 Like, I mean, surely there's something that you've done wrong here.

00:06:39.460 And his general thesis is, well, we just had to make really unpopular decisions

00:06:42.840 to maintain the current traitorous status quo that's destroying the country.

00:06:46.960 It's like, yeah, but that's the problem.

00:06:48.740 So, it's not the fault of Labour.

00:06:50.900 It's the fault of the people who didn't understand the supreme wisdom of Labour.

00:06:54.700 That's, honestly, that is exactly, almost word for word, what he says.

00:06:58.640 The reason we made these choices is because we genuinely believe they're the right choices

00:07:01.520 to get the country out of the massive hole it was left in by the Labour Party policies

00:07:05.880 that were continued on by the Conservatives.

00:07:07.920 And so, yeah, as far as he's concerned, no, everything's fine.

00:07:11.840 But you can see by the expression on his face, is that a man who really thinks he did nothing wrong?

00:07:17.060 Like, is that a man who thinks, no, no, no, I'm confident in the future.

00:07:20.680 Or is that a man who looks like he's got a gun to his head?

00:07:22.940 It looks like a boy being told off by a headteacher.

00:07:24.980 Yeah, it does.

00:07:25.820 Am I going to get expelled for this?

00:07:27.600 And the answer is yes.

00:07:28.540 We're streeting is going to get great replaced in the next election

00:07:30.980 because they imported a load of Muslims into his constituency.

00:07:35.520 And so, last election, he won by only a few hundred votes

00:07:38.120 to an independent Muslim MP candidate who's going to win next time.

00:07:42.440 So, he's out in the next election.

00:07:43.700 So, I do have a question as the lone American on the panel here.

00:07:48.600 Is it a sense that the Tories seem to not have any sort of principles or a stance?

00:07:55.580 What a wonderful observation.

00:07:59.260 There is a small sense of that, yes.

00:08:01.320 The Tories don't have any principles, that's correct.

00:08:03.420 That's how you become the most successful party in the history of the world.

00:08:06.980 I have principles, but if you object, I have others.

00:08:09.160 Well, the reason I ask that is because I think much in the same way

00:08:14.740 that the third party was able to, I would say temporarily,

00:08:18.060 at least as of right now, have some success.

00:08:20.080 It's the same reason why Trump ended up in the position that he ended up in.

00:08:23.760 Precisely.

00:08:24.020 It's because Trump is not a Republican in the traditional sense.

00:08:27.320 He hijacked the party.

00:08:28.680 The party shifted towards what Trump is doing for now.

00:08:31.980 We'll see what happens when Trump is no longer around.

00:08:34.000 And so I do see, like, there's some sort of similarity there

00:08:38.020 where a lot of people had a lot of apathy towards both parties.

00:08:42.400 You know, oh, come to us, we'll fix the problem.

00:08:45.120 They go to them, they don't fix the problem.

00:08:47.120 Oh, come to us, we'll actually fix the problem.

00:08:49.000 And they keep going back and forth.

00:08:50.160 And at some point, they're going to be like, both of you are a joke.

00:08:53.220 That is exactly what happened.

00:08:54.260 That is exactly word for word what is happening.

00:08:56.580 Because Labour and the Conservatives are basically,

00:08:58.700 George Galloway famously calls them two cheeks of the same arse.

00:09:01.460 And Nigel Farage is just standing there saying,

00:09:05.480 hey, I could do something.

00:09:07.140 And everyone decided, yeah, better him than these two clowns

00:09:09.920 who have just ruined the country repeatedly.

00:09:11.880 As you can see on West Street and his face, he knows it's coming.

00:09:14.560 He knows.

00:09:15.400 He can see the train approaching.

00:09:17.100 And he just can't get out of the way.

00:09:18.460 And it's like, yeah, so we didn't do anything wrong.

00:09:20.380 Whack.

00:09:21.420 Whereas there are other Labour MPs who are like, you know what?

00:09:25.080 We might be terrible.

00:09:26.340 We might have betrayed the public completely on the one issue

00:09:30.480 that literally since the 60s, they were saying, we don't want this.

00:09:34.520 And every time since then, they've got this, whether they wanted it or not.

00:09:38.920 And Jonathan Hinder points out that this is an existential threat

00:09:42.280 for the Labour Party as well.

00:09:43.740 Because one thing that the, when you look at the map,

00:09:45.980 you see, OK, Labour have got there, Conservatives have got there,

00:09:48.340 but Reform is starting to get places, and the Lib Dems have got this.

00:09:51.160 What it doesn't show you is what's happening under the hood.

00:09:53.080 Because in every Labour constituency now, the Reform Party are the second party,

00:09:58.560 and not by a long margin either.

00:10:01.060 Because it turns out, and this was something that the politicians really,

00:10:06.080 for some reason, were surprised to find out,

00:10:07.420 is that the average person in the country is basically far right.

00:10:11.160 They're basically patriotic.

00:10:13.080 They're basically socially conservative.

00:10:15.240 Always have been.

00:10:15.860 They always have been, especially in the poorer areas of the country

00:10:18.780 where social conservatism is used to maintain the integrity of the community itself.

00:10:24.180 And they're suddenly finding out that, what, you're not woke?

00:10:26.340 So from some guy from Northumbria or something

00:10:28.900 who worked in a mine his whole life,

00:10:30.820 it's like, yeah, I'm not woke, actually.

00:10:32.840 You know, I just don't want the government to screw me.

00:10:35.160 Or maybe they're not far right,

00:10:37.260 and that the Overton window has just shifted.

00:10:38.800 Well, I'm happy to call them far right,

00:10:40.880 because that just means normal in a previous paradigm.

00:10:43.180 Which is why they don't have an ideological name for them.

00:10:46.360 It's almost the far right ideology.

00:10:47.540 There isn't one.

00:10:48.000 They're just normal.

00:10:48.980 It's just you're a radical leftist,

00:10:50.580 so you call them far right.

00:10:51.600 Right.

00:10:51.960 But you are right.

00:10:53.300 Speaking of changes, though,

00:10:54.640 to the Overton window and to the situation,

00:10:57.380 I think that this statement does reveal a change,

00:11:00.900 because the left has turned its back

00:11:03.520 to the native working class for decades.

00:11:07.560 Oh, yeah.

00:11:08.080 That's why there was a Brexit.

00:11:10.220 Yeah, yeah, that's why all of this happened.

00:11:11.740 took place, and what happened was that

00:11:14.140 they opted for mass migration,

00:11:16.680 and now a critical mass has been reached,

00:11:20.000 and several, let's say, communities

00:11:21.960 are making their own parties,

00:11:23.680 and they think, well, now we're losing their vote,

00:11:26.200 so we have to go back to the working class.

00:11:27.880 You know what?

00:11:28.400 That's exactly right,

00:11:29.480 and Jonathan here has a plan, right?

00:11:31.340 Do you know what the plan is?

00:11:32.720 Keep things exactly as they are.

00:11:35.900 I'm not joking.

00:11:39.520 Well, no plan is a plan, right?

00:11:41.740 He has recommended a, quote,

00:11:43.860 one-in-one-out system.

00:11:46.000 So rather than having a net of something like

00:11:47.980 a million a year coming into Britain,

00:11:49.860 which is what we have, which is crazy,

00:11:51.680 he just wants the number to stay the same,

00:11:54.240 but just one-in-one-out.

00:11:55.180 It's like, okay, but the problem is

00:11:56.400 we just have far too many people in this country.

00:11:58.320 Right.

00:11:58.920 Far, far too many people.

00:12:00.020 And if you've ever driven on the roads

00:12:01.740 or used the trains or tried to get a hospital appointment

00:12:04.200 or whatever it is, you'll be well aware.

00:12:06.760 Try to buy a house, try to get a job,

00:12:08.960 try to literally queue up for a coffee.

00:12:11.520 You'll know that there are just too many people

00:12:13.140 in this country.

00:12:14.480 And his answer is to keep that number exactly the same.

00:12:18.780 It's like, right, that's not the solution.

00:12:20.420 Like, millions of people who came here recently

00:12:22.040 need to go home.

00:12:23.640 And so he says, look, this would return us

00:12:25.580 to a more or less balanced net migration levels

00:12:28.460 that we had for decades.

00:12:30.620 We had 300,000 a year for decades.

00:12:33.160 Turned London into a minority English city.

00:12:35.760 Turned Luton into a minority English city.

00:12:37.580 Turned Birmingham into a minority.

00:12:38.800 And this new spike in immigration is very new,

00:12:42.240 but these problems were already there

00:12:43.700 from their quote-unquote balanced migration system.

00:12:47.080 And so anyway, the point being, Labour have no answers

00:12:49.320 because they can't sit there and go, right,

00:12:51.480 we've just done too much.

00:12:52.600 And we have to reverse this.

00:12:54.060 For some reason, they're absolutely committed

00:12:56.000 to having as many Somalians in social housing as possible.

00:13:00.440 I don't know why.

00:13:01.520 No one's actually explained it.

00:13:02.660 I mean, what was the answer?

00:13:03.820 I will say stopping additional migration

00:13:07.560 is better than letting it continue.

00:13:09.660 I guess it is.

00:13:10.840 So maybe it's a lesser of two evils argument,

00:13:13.340 but it feels like a progress in a sense.

00:13:16.640 In a sense, but it doesn't solve any of the problems.

00:13:18.980 Well, it's very helpful, though, for big statism

00:13:23.500 and for anarcho-tyranny and, for instance,

00:13:26.040 things like pushing digital ID.

00:13:27.940 Yeah, that is true.

00:13:29.580 Well, also, stopping migration causes a big problem

00:13:32.840 for things like pensions,

00:13:34.220 because, as we know, it's essentially,

00:13:36.220 it's the more people come in at the bottom,

00:13:40.840 the people at the top can continue

00:13:42.320 to get the pension that's been owed to them.

00:13:43.980 That is the theory.

00:13:45.480 But, like, Somalians, taken as an example,

00:13:47.880 they have a literacy rate of 41%

00:13:50.160 in their own language.

00:13:52.000 How many Somalians can actually, like,

00:13:54.000 come into the offices in Britain

00:13:55.840 and start doing the sort of well-paid jobs

00:13:58.320 that pay for pensions?

00:13:59.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:59.920 Not that many, obviously.

00:14:01.020 Well, I'm not arguing that migration

00:14:04.300 is of a net benefit to normal people,

00:14:06.480 but it is to elites.

00:14:08.820 It is the theory they use.

00:14:10.180 So for somebody to be proposing

00:14:12.100 that we're stopping migration

00:14:13.160 is a ballsy move from the perspective

00:14:16.360 that surely people in powerful positions

00:14:18.820 do not want even that.

00:14:20.560 It is something.

00:14:21.300 But the reason that they've got to do this

00:14:22.820 is because the poor people are just like,

00:14:24.920 no, I'm voting far-right.

00:14:26.140 Because the media narrative around reform

00:14:27.820 is that they're a far-right party.

00:14:29.100 Now, just to be clear,

00:14:30.200 Nigel Farage is not far-right.

00:14:31.840 He's centre-right at worst.

00:14:34.460 You know, he's basically MAGA, basically.

00:14:36.380 You know, he's not far-right.

00:14:37.580 But the poor people have decided,

00:14:39.280 yep, no, I'm voting overwhelmingly

00:14:41.920 for the far-right.

00:14:43.140 As you can see, Labour have lost 50% of a share there.

00:14:46.340 And they're going for reform.

00:14:47.560 This is the Independent Commission on Neighbourhoods.

00:14:49.480 It shows that it's in the deprived neighbourhoods.

00:14:51.800 It's where the people don't have money,

00:14:53.720 but do have immigrants,

00:14:55.040 that they're like, you know what?

00:14:55.840 I am voting reform.

00:14:56.740 I'm tired of this.

00:14:57.920 I don't want this.

00:14:59.420 And finally, some of the elite are starting to notice,

00:15:01.640 hang on a second,

00:15:02.680 I think it might be immigration

00:15:04.480 that is driving people to the right.

00:15:06.880 How is it we didn't see this before?

00:15:09.680 It's so insufferable.

00:15:11.400 But the thing is, even now,

00:15:13.060 they're so, like,

00:15:14.120 what they do is they talk around immigration, right?

00:15:16.420 So he says,

00:15:17.000 the additional support reform is attracting at the moment

00:15:19.360 comes from more swingy voters

00:15:20.640 discontented about living standards,

00:15:22.260 condition of public services,

00:15:23.260 and blunders made by the government.

00:15:24.580 Right.

00:15:24.940 Why are living standards going down?

00:15:26.520 Why are the services all failing?

00:15:28.900 It's immigration.

00:15:29.800 It's at the heart of everything

00:15:30.840 because a million people a year

00:15:32.160 into a country of 70 million people

00:15:34.280 is enormous.

00:15:35.900 Right.

00:15:36.420 Absolutely enormous

00:15:37.160 and totally untenable.

00:15:38.900 And like I say,

00:15:39.680 you know,

00:15:39.920 various journalists and economists are like,

00:15:42.380 we are actually sleepwalking

00:15:44.340 to a massive reform victory in 2029.

00:15:47.060 And like I said,

00:15:47.460 as much as I don't support Farage

00:15:48.800 on a lot of personal levels,

00:15:50.140 that's something different.

00:15:52.000 And I'm up for it.

00:15:52.620 I'm just up for anything different.

00:15:54.360 Is there a risk

00:15:55.540 that the people coming into the country

00:15:58.520 who are then able to vote

00:15:59.840 counteract the disenfranchised feelings

00:16:03.300 of the poorer people?

00:16:05.040 I would say no,

00:16:06.560 because at best

00:16:08.100 they could only vote

00:16:08.880 in the ethnic enclaves.

00:16:10.060 So you'd get a handful

00:16:11.260 of independent MPs or Muslims.

00:16:14.500 But the country is still 75% English.

00:16:18.620 In Scotland and Wales

00:16:19.800 are more Scottish and Welsh

00:16:21.040 than England is English.

00:16:22.300 So we still have

00:16:23.140 the overwhelming number of votes.

00:16:25.700 And so we have to crack on

00:16:26.940 and actually fix this sooner rather than later.

00:16:28.480 It's a boiling the frog problem,

00:16:30.500 isn't it?

00:16:30.580 It is, yeah.

00:16:31.020 Because if they go too fast,

00:16:33.000 they will get this revolt

00:16:34.140 and they'll lose power.

00:16:35.800 Yes.

00:16:36.000 But if they can go slowly enough,

00:16:37.380 they can do the replacement

00:16:38.580 that they intend

00:16:39.320 and then the battle is won.

00:16:41.280 Yes.

00:16:41.640 And I mean,

00:16:42.260 we do in a way

00:16:43.120 have to thank Boris Johnson

00:16:44.220 for just opening the spigot

00:16:45.520 and just cranking it all up.

00:16:46.380 Right.

00:16:46.740 Yeah, that's true.

00:16:47.540 In a way we do have to thank him.

00:16:48.740 Secretly based.

00:16:49.760 Yeah.

00:16:50.380 But they can see the future too.

00:16:52.580 They can read the tea leaves

00:16:53.560 and see that an absolute walloping

00:16:55.620 is coming on the horizon.

00:16:57.020 And what's also good

00:16:57.900 is that this campaigner for Labour

00:17:00.380 was like,

00:17:01.700 well look,

00:17:01.920 I've heard that Number 10

00:17:02.760 and Angela Rayner

00:17:03.400 are worried about doing anything

00:17:04.360 that's deemed woke

00:17:05.380 because they're terrified

00:17:06.780 about reform and Trump.

00:17:07.980 And so anything that sounds

00:17:08.780 a bit lefty,

00:17:09.880 they absolutely won't do,

00:17:11.200 which is very interesting

00:17:12.460 and good to hear.

00:17:13.800 Anything that's not betray us.

00:17:16.220 And so you've got another

00:17:17.140 Jonathan Hinder tweet.

00:17:20.200 And he's,

00:17:20.820 again,

00:17:21.140 just the main issue

00:17:22.000 that's pushing working class

00:17:22.900 people to reform

00:17:23.560 is immigration.

00:17:24.600 Because he's replying here

00:17:25.620 to a communist

00:17:26.420 who was in the Labour Party

00:17:27.660 for like,

00:17:28.000 you know,

00:17:28.160 50 years or something,

00:17:29.080 John McDonnell.

00:17:30.800 And he just won't talk about it.

00:17:32.560 But even then,

00:17:33.260 even Jonathan Hinder,

00:17:34.320 the one Labour MP I can find

00:17:36.200 who's like,

00:17:36.440 look,

00:17:36.580 it's immigration.

00:17:37.140 He's like,

00:17:37.680 well,

00:17:37.840 we need one in,

00:17:38.360 one out.

00:17:38.820 It's like,

00:17:39.160 no,

00:17:39.640 millions of people

00:17:40.780 who have arrived here

00:17:41.680 to claim our benefits

00:17:43.000 need to go home.

00:17:44.660 They've got countries of their own.

00:17:45.900 Boris let them in

00:17:46.500 for some reason.

00:17:47.060 They need to go home.

00:17:48.180 It's not that difficult.

00:17:49.300 You know,

00:17:49.560 there's,

00:17:50.620 and it's not just happening

00:17:51.640 in the UK.

00:17:52.380 Sometimes I see this

00:17:53.200 in the United States.

00:17:55.080 It takes human beings

00:17:56.600 and it turns them

00:17:57.420 into numbers.

00:17:58.440 Well,

00:17:58.560 if we have this magical ratio,

00:18:00.480 then everything will be fine.

00:18:02.300 And it's like,

00:18:02.740 100% what it is.

00:18:03.500 And I'm just like,

00:18:04.060 that's not how human beings work.

00:18:05.800 There's a cultural element.

00:18:07.520 There's,

00:18:07.980 there's social cohesion.

00:18:09.240 All of these things

00:18:10.260 you can't put a number on,

00:18:11.860 right?

00:18:12.000 There's no magic formula

00:18:13.120 if this works in this town

00:18:14.360 or in this city

00:18:14.960 or anything like that.

00:18:15.920 But very clearly,

00:18:17.040 if you take a town

00:18:18.860 that has a thousand people

00:18:20.360 of the same ethnic background,

00:18:22.160 of the same cultural understanding

00:18:24.160 and bring in 2,000 people

00:18:26.400 of the opposite.

00:18:27.640 What could possibly go wrong?

00:18:29.240 Like it's going to make

00:18:30.260 a big issue.

00:18:31.880 But if in the grand scheme

00:18:32.700 of things,

00:18:33.020 you're like,

00:18:33.220 well,

00:18:33.340 if it's in the ratio,

00:18:34.180 everything is fine.

00:18:35.120 Let me just go to my penthouse

00:18:36.300 right here

00:18:36.720 and I'm absolutely okay.

00:18:38.340 It doesn't affect,

00:18:39.000 what's your problem?

00:18:40.220 What are you actually talking about?

00:18:41.700 And so there's that,

00:18:42.680 there's the social disconnect

00:18:43.900 where the people

00:18:44.780 who are able to pull the levers

00:18:46.500 aren't actually affected

00:18:48.180 by the thing

00:18:48.920 that they're controlling.

00:18:49.740 And I'm seeing that,

00:18:52.000 essentially,

00:18:52.540 that's what you guys

00:18:53.060 are talking about.

00:18:53.860 The United States

00:18:54.400 is going through

00:18:54.840 much of the same thing.

00:18:55.800 It's 100% what's happening.

00:18:57.140 This is why I like the example

00:18:59.080 of West Streeting so much

00:19:00.400 because he is someone

00:19:01.580 who up until this point

00:19:02.840 probably thought

00:19:03.900 very similar to that

00:19:04.740 but then he realized

00:19:05.800 that actually I've imported

00:19:06.720 a demographic of voters

00:19:08.140 who are not going

00:19:08.920 to vote for me

00:19:09.580 into my own constituency.

00:19:11.360 And so this is

00:19:11.840 his last election.

00:19:13.200 He is 100%

00:19:14.600 not going to win it

00:19:15.640 because the numbers

00:19:16.500 are now just against him.

00:19:17.640 OK, but is the replacement

00:19:19.980 for West Streeting

00:19:20.900 going to lower immigration?

00:19:22.240 No, they're going to increase it.

00:19:23.720 They're going to be

00:19:24.460 an independent Muslim MP.

00:19:25.640 Right.

00:19:26.100 So this is what I was...

00:19:27.100 Assuming they don't join

00:19:27.520 the Muslim party.

00:19:28.560 To be a slightly

00:19:29.860 black-pilled voice here,

00:19:32.300 I'm not convinced

00:19:33.380 that we're going to have

00:19:34.780 this true landslide

00:19:36.700 back towards

00:19:37.620 this idea

00:19:39.540 that everyone's going

00:19:40.220 to wake up

00:19:40.780 and realize

00:19:41.160 what's been happening to them.

00:19:42.700 I think a percentage

00:19:44.280 of people

00:19:45.260 are moving to reform

00:19:46.640 but a larger percentage

00:19:48.700 of people

00:19:49.260 are going to just

00:19:50.020 be led around

00:19:50.800 by the media.

00:19:52.180 100%.

00:19:52.500 But all it needs

00:19:53.360 is for Nigel Farras

00:19:54.100 to get about 35%

00:19:55.380 of people on board

00:19:56.200 and then he can form

00:19:57.200 a government.

00:19:58.460 And I think he...

00:19:59.080 I mean, at the moment

00:19:59.600 he's about a quarter

00:20:00.240 of people.

00:20:01.020 And I think as it gets

00:20:02.180 closer to the election,

00:20:03.720 the argument

00:20:05.640 will become stronger

00:20:06.400 on his side.

00:20:07.240 OK.

00:20:07.380 Just something has to change

00:20:08.600 because, I mean,

00:20:09.020 like, what's Keir Starmer

00:20:09.740 going to do to fix anything?

00:20:10.960 OK.

00:20:11.500 I mean, I'm optimistic.

00:20:13.500 And the thing is,

00:20:14.360 there was a poll

00:20:15.100 the other day

00:20:15.420 where just 65% of people

00:20:16.600 think Farage

00:20:17.060 is the next prime minister.

00:20:18.080 Wow.

00:20:19.120 Like, the sort of,

00:20:20.640 the tide is shifting

00:20:21.880 and everyone can feel

00:20:23.020 this, you know,

00:20:23.960 it's going away

00:20:24.560 from the two main parties

00:20:25.520 and they're just collapsing

00:20:26.300 and they're panicking

00:20:27.300 and they don't know what.

00:20:28.780 That would be crazy.

00:20:29.560 That would be great,

00:20:30.280 to be honest.

00:20:30.720 And like I said,

00:20:31.240 I'm not a big fan of Farage

00:20:32.160 but, like, anything, right?

00:20:34.000 Anything.

00:20:34.480 And in the Labour Party

00:20:35.660 you get people like this.

00:20:37.220 You're idiots.

00:20:37.920 Oh, you're taking a battering

00:20:39.740 for this.

00:20:40.060 And he's like,

00:20:40.280 yeah, we should really be

00:20:41.060 doubling down

00:20:41.580 on your trans-activism.

00:20:43.600 That's what working,

00:20:44.560 and that's a Labour MP

00:20:45.740 just, you know,

00:20:46.700 no, I'm done with

00:20:47.440 the radical left

00:20:48.040 at this point

00:20:48.440 because we're getting

00:20:48.940 absolutely tanked.

00:20:50.220 If Farage becomes

00:20:51.480 the next prime minister

00:20:52.360 he will quit on day one.

00:20:55.140 No, he won't.

00:20:56.540 He'll quit on the third

00:20:57.940 or fourth month

00:20:58.500 when he can't get anything done.

00:20:59.560 Yeah, maybe.

00:21:00.380 But anyway,

00:21:01.080 so you've got, you know,

00:21:02.060 Liberal Democrats being like,

00:21:03.200 I heard the leader of reform

00:21:04.280 proclaim confidently

00:21:05.460 that the problem

00:21:06.440 was immigration,

00:21:08.140 that it was bringing people here

00:21:09.280 with cultures

00:21:09.740 not compatible with ours.

00:21:10.900 That sort of language

00:21:11.580 should be unthinkable,

00:21:13.240 says the Liberal Democrats.

00:21:13.900 Now, this is the archetype

00:21:15.460 of the person

00:21:16.000 who is nowhere near the problem, right?

00:21:17.560 So the Liberal Democrats

00:21:18.300 in Britain

00:21:18.820 are the party of Middle England.

00:21:20.660 They are the party

00:21:21.200 of homogenous,

00:21:22.780 white, ancient enclaves

00:21:24.560 of people who live

00:21:25.460 in like Devon

00:21:26.380 or like Somerset

00:21:27.360 or whatever

00:21:27.640 who have never seen

00:21:28.500 a brown person in real life.

00:21:30.240 And so they are,

00:21:31.040 I mean it.

00:21:31.880 And so they're just like,

00:21:32.600 I can't believe

00:21:33.460 we're doing this.

00:21:34.580 Oh, this doesn't play well

00:21:35.400 at the dinner parties.

00:21:36.260 It's like, okay,

00:21:36.520 but in Birmingham

00:21:37.360 they've got machete gangs

00:21:38.560 running down the streets

00:21:39.460 and you just don't know

00:21:41.080 what you are talking about.

00:21:42.640 Like, this absolutely is

00:21:44.220 a case of incompatible cultures.

00:21:47.460 And it's not even

00:21:48.280 controversial to say it.

00:21:50.320 And then, of course,

00:21:51.240 you've got another Labour MP here

00:21:52.760 who's pointing out,

00:21:53.840 look,

00:21:54.560 reform,

00:21:54.960 they know that the actual

00:21:56.440 like normal MPs,

00:21:57.800 most of the straight

00:21:58.400 white male MPs

00:21:59.180 to be honest,

00:22:00.160 are like, look,

00:22:00.940 the working class

00:22:01.720 core voters of Labour

00:22:03.160 find reforms messaging

00:22:04.300 on immigration attractive,

00:22:05.400 which is why they're

00:22:06.700 going to reform

00:22:08.000 in the north

00:22:09.160 rather than to

00:22:10.020 the Conservative Party

00:22:10.920 or the Labour Party.

00:22:12.220 And this is something

00:22:13.260 that is just coming

00:22:14.520 and they can't stop it

00:22:15.760 and they have no good

00:22:16.540 answers for it.

00:22:17.840 So good news on that,

00:22:19.080 to be honest.

00:22:22.200 Anyway,

00:22:23.000 going to the comments,

00:22:24.180 I've got to

00:22:24.580 arch my neck.

00:22:26.620 Heinleinism fixes

00:22:27.280 all of this?

00:22:27.920 It does,

00:22:28.320 but we're never

00:22:28.760 going to get that.

00:22:29.700 At best,

00:22:30.440 the Americans

00:22:30.840 could get that.

00:22:31.980 And I just had a thought,

00:22:32.960 what if Trump is like

00:22:33.600 Margaret Thatcher

00:22:34.160 and it's only a matter of time

00:22:34.900 until the US gets

00:22:35.420 their own version of Blair

00:22:36.200 and their own version

00:22:36.760 of Blairism?

00:22:39.820 I don't know that Trump

00:22:40.860 is as thoughtful

00:22:42.480 and principled

00:22:43.840 as Thatcher.

00:22:45.080 I don't think

00:22:45.400 he's as well-read as that.

00:22:46.100 I can't imagine

00:22:46.940 a long lineage

00:22:47.900 of random tariffs

00:22:49.080 being proposed

00:22:49.780 by people in his wake.

00:22:51.860 Yeah.

00:22:52.960 Well,

00:22:53.340 I do have a question

00:22:54.200 as far as

00:22:55.440 I'm just going to be

00:22:56.860 sort of crude balls.

00:22:58.880 Like,

00:22:59.140 does Farage

00:23:00.060 or anybody else,

00:23:01.120 you guys were saying

00:23:02.000 like he might step down

00:23:02.840 or something like that,

00:23:03.600 but does anybody

00:23:04.700 within reform

00:23:05.680 have the balls

00:23:06.640 to actually do the thing?

00:23:07.760 It's one thing

00:23:08.280 to run on something.

00:23:09.020 You don't last very long

00:23:09.800 in the party

00:23:10.320 if you stick to...

00:23:12.240 There was one guy

00:23:13.400 and Nigel Farage

00:23:14.800 kicked him out of the party.

00:23:15.800 Okay.

00:23:16.540 For being too ballsy.

00:23:18.420 See,

00:23:18.700 that's the thing,

00:23:19.180 that's the difference

00:23:19.820 between someone like,

00:23:21.040 people were saying

00:23:21.740 like Trump and Farage.

00:23:23.240 Trump has the balls,

00:23:24.820 especially now.

00:23:25.740 Trump 2.0

00:23:26.360 is different than

00:23:26.860 Trump 1.0.

00:23:28.160 Trump 1.0

00:23:29.080 was trying to do

00:23:30.160 some of those things

00:23:31.060 but was also trying

00:23:31.840 to appease people

00:23:32.780 who hated him,

00:23:33.980 like the media.

00:23:35.020 But now,

00:23:35.700 this time around,

00:23:36.640 he's very much so like,

00:23:38.300 I don't care.

00:23:39.080 I don't care.

00:23:39.980 And he's doing

00:23:40.540 exactly the thing.

00:23:41.340 He's going as far as

00:23:42.280 questioning birthright citizenship

00:23:44.220 if it was actually meant

00:23:45.740 for the way

00:23:46.180 that it's been used.

00:23:47.220 And that's the thing

00:23:48.640 that actually took me

00:23:49.380 some time

00:23:49.760 to kind of consider

00:23:50.800 because I was like,

00:23:51.720 you know,

00:23:52.040 maybe he's right.

00:23:53.420 Maybe it's being exploited.

00:23:56.100 But nobody,

00:23:57.500 I'm telling you,

00:23:58.280 like I've been paying

00:23:58.720 attention to politics

00:23:59.580 since I'm 40,

00:24:01.620 since like my mid-20s.

00:24:03.040 No one has ever talked

00:24:04.280 about birthright citizenship.

00:24:05.780 It's a very,

00:24:06.740 honestly,

00:24:07.540 it's a very peculiar

00:24:08.120 Americanism.

00:24:09.060 Yes.

00:24:09.500 Because in the old world,

00:24:10.960 of course,

00:24:11.220 you don't have that.

00:24:12.720 Your citizenship

00:24:13.400 is through your blood.

00:24:14.420 So it's a very American

00:24:15.960 sort of new world

00:24:16.820 social contract perspective

00:24:18.020 for birthright citizenship.

00:24:19.520 And so it's weird for us.

00:24:20.660 In fact, weirdly,

00:24:21.440 Kemi Badenok

00:24:22.060 somehow managed

00:24:22.600 to get over here.

00:24:23.300 I don't know how.

00:24:24.280 I don't know how

00:24:25.060 our system works.

00:24:25.780 But it's good

00:24:28.180 that Trump's,

00:24:29.120 you know,

00:24:29.760 pushing at some

00:24:30.380 closed doors,

00:24:31.900 isn't it?

00:24:32.320 Yeah.

00:24:32.860 Making some interesting

00:24:33.820 stuff happen.

00:24:34.940 But anyway,

00:24:35.320 let's go to the Met Gala.

00:24:38.140 Right.

00:24:38.700 So I'm wondering

00:24:40.520 whether civilization

00:24:41.400 is coming to an end

00:24:42.580 because I'm thinking

00:24:43.420 of the painting

00:24:44.780 called

00:24:45.240 The Decadence

00:24:45.960 of the Romans.

00:24:47.020 And we have several events

00:24:48.980 that remind me

00:24:49.760 of this painting.

00:24:51.420 Last August,

00:24:52.700 I think,

00:24:53.000 we had the Olympic Games

00:24:54.180 in Paris

00:24:55.280 and the opening ceremony

00:24:57.300 was particularly decadent.

00:24:59.300 We made a segment

00:25:00.260 about it.

00:25:00.860 It was a fun segment.

00:25:02.100 We tried to laugh

00:25:02.860 about it.

00:25:03.740 And it seems like

00:25:05.780 there is

00:25:06.820 a trend

00:25:08.180 within the Western world

00:25:10.120 that tries to celebrate

00:25:11.820 a sort of detachment

00:25:13.740 from worldly affairs.

00:25:16.860 Perhaps that's not

00:25:17.700 the best way

00:25:18.320 of putting it.

00:25:18.900 It's not necessarily

00:25:19.720 that we're going to talk

00:25:20.620 to you about

00:25:21.060 spiritual people

00:25:22.020 who are in the world

00:25:23.400 but not of the world.

00:25:24.340 But they seem

00:25:25.020 to be completely detached

00:25:26.360 when it comes

00:25:27.540 to things

00:25:28.240 most people care about.

00:25:30.380 I mean,

00:25:31.000 they care more

00:25:32.100 about the abstract notion

00:25:33.720 of human rights

00:25:34.500 than they do

00:25:35.020 anything else.

00:25:36.100 Right.

00:25:36.360 While hating

00:25:37.240 flesh and blood

00:25:37.900 human beings

00:25:38.900 more often than not.

00:25:41.140 It's definitely

00:25:42.340 a trend within the left.

00:25:43.460 Now,

00:25:43.720 I want to say

00:25:44.480 one thing

00:25:45.200 because I'm

00:25:46.020 a bit of an insomniac

00:25:47.480 and I woke up

00:25:48.760 today at 4 a.m.

00:25:50.200 I just started

00:25:51.080 watching X.

00:25:53.280 I saw

00:25:53.580 a trending category.

00:25:55.900 I saw the Met Gala.

00:25:57.340 I said,

00:25:57.620 what on earth is this?

00:25:58.800 And it had millions

00:26:00.060 of posts about it.

00:26:01.580 I just clicked on it.

00:26:02.640 So,

00:26:02.860 why on earth

00:26:03.600 is anyone

00:26:04.100 interested in it?

00:26:05.780 So,

00:26:06.940 yeah,

00:26:07.200 it's a bit weird

00:26:08.040 that I'm doing

00:26:08.540 this segment today

00:26:09.840 about it.

00:26:11.520 But let's go and see.

00:26:13.340 The reason

00:26:13.880 I want to say this

00:26:14.680 is because

00:26:15.180 it looks like

00:26:16.580 we are on a stage

00:26:17.980 of bread and circus.

00:26:20.600 We're on the bread

00:26:21.560 and circus stage.

00:26:22.560 And I think

00:26:23.500 that this is preventing

00:26:24.400 people from waking up

00:26:25.700 and looking at things

00:26:27.120 that are happening

00:26:27.980 around the world.

00:26:30.060 And it keeps us

00:26:32.000 in our bubbles.

00:26:33.960 And we literally

00:26:35.340 don't ask questions

00:26:36.220 that we should be asking.

00:26:37.660 And I'll just show you

00:26:38.800 the Associated Press

00:26:40.200 and several headlines

00:26:41.700 of things that are

00:26:42.620 happening at the moment

00:26:44.120 in the world.

00:26:46.000 Israeli plan

00:26:47.100 to seize Gaza,

00:26:48.960 Trump fighting

00:26:49.620 with judges,

00:26:50.580 lots of important

00:26:51.480 things actually happening

00:26:52.600 that are going to have

00:26:53.380 precedental impacts

00:26:55.780 going on in the future.

00:26:56.980 Exactly.

00:26:57.440 We have the rivalry

00:26:58.600 of India and Pakistan,

00:26:59.820 both of which are

00:27:00.620 nuclear powers,

00:27:01.860 and have the ability

00:27:02.960 to drug

00:27:03.600 major players

00:27:04.660 within the region there.

00:27:05.920 But also,

00:27:06.600 we have Cardi B.

00:27:07.240 So you're going to show us

00:27:10.100 your three favourite looks

00:27:11.040 from the Met Gala,

00:27:11.820 is that the thing?

00:27:12.480 Not just three.

00:27:13.540 Not just three.

00:27:14.180 What are you talking about?

00:27:15.460 All right, here we go.

00:27:16.060 Not just three.

00:27:16.860 So we have other things

00:27:18.140 that are happening.

00:27:18.840 The AFD was announced

00:27:20.340 extremist last Friday

00:27:21.580 by the BFV.

00:27:23.340 That's a quarter

00:27:23.980 of Germany's voting base.

00:27:25.740 Yeah, we have

00:27:26.420 Friedrich Merz,

00:27:28.240 who won the election

00:27:29.180 today,

00:27:30.740 isn't able to become

00:27:32.200 the Chancellor of Germany.

00:27:33.540 Why not?

00:27:34.360 I don't know.

00:27:35.360 That's big stuff

00:27:36.140 going around.

00:27:37.360 But we also have

00:27:38.200 Andre 3000,

00:27:39.380 who was strapped

00:27:40.020 to a piano

00:27:40.480 dressed like a French

00:27:41.560 infantryman.

00:27:43.060 I'll show you pictures.

00:27:44.620 Right, so

00:27:45.220 we have here...

00:27:48.020 What's this?

00:27:49.240 Sorry.

00:27:50.800 Wrong one.

00:27:52.020 Right, so

00:27:52.500 anyone who wants

00:27:53.820 to go on the...

00:27:54.740 Anyone who wants

00:27:56.260 to go on the...

00:27:57.140 on the...

00:27:57.980 on X for Met Gala,

00:27:59.820 you can go here.

00:28:01.100 Just go on the...

00:28:02.760 Hashtag.

00:28:03.000 just give you

00:28:03.900 an idea

00:28:05.000 of the dresses

00:28:07.620 that they wore.

00:28:08.440 Oh my God,

00:28:08.920 look,

00:28:09.120 this is like

00:28:10.420 something...

00:28:11.360 Like Hunger Games

00:28:12.380 versus Eyes Wide Shut,

00:28:14.080 right?

00:28:14.260 Right.

00:28:15.040 You know,

00:28:15.380 like the wildly

00:28:17.520 out-of-touch elites

00:28:19.160 dressing like

00:28:20.420 absolute freaks

00:28:21.600 to each other.

00:28:23.740 But I think,

00:28:24.980 Carl,

00:28:25.820 maybe you have

00:28:26.920 dressed up

00:28:27.380 for the Met Gala

00:28:28.040 today because

00:28:28.560 the black-purple

00:28:29.960 combination...

00:28:30.600 dark-purple

00:28:31.140 combination...

00:28:31.840 Oh yeah, it's an homage.

00:28:32.280 No, it's a particular one.

00:28:34.620 I didn't know

00:28:35.340 the Met Gala

00:28:35.820 was going on.

00:28:36.620 Maybe this is

00:28:36.640 the Met Gala

00:28:37.280 outfit of Carl.

00:28:38.660 No, I just like

00:28:39.580 colour.

00:28:40.760 Let's just scroll

00:28:41.820 down and...

00:28:42.600 I think I could

00:28:43.720 have done better

00:28:44.300 if I was going

00:28:44.840 to be dressing

00:28:45.380 for the Met Gala,

00:28:46.160 right?

00:28:46.440 Right.

00:28:46.780 Go back up a second.

00:28:48.020 Lewis Hamilton's

00:28:48.840 the most normal

00:28:49.680 one there.

00:28:51.180 Yeah.

00:28:53.980 Like, what's this

00:28:54.860 guy on the far

00:28:55.420 left here doing

00:28:56.020 with the blue

00:28:56.460 regal robe?

00:28:57.220 What are you

00:28:58.520 dressed like,

00:28:59.280 you clown?

00:29:00.540 It's just

00:29:01.080 interesting that...

00:29:01.640 Who is that?

00:29:02.420 Yeah, right?

00:29:02.960 Who are you?

00:29:03.860 The craziest

00:29:04.820 clothes,

00:29:05.540 the most patterns,

00:29:06.380 the most vivid

00:29:07.240 shapes have always

00:29:08.060 been for the rich

00:29:08.800 and powerful.

00:29:09.500 Oh yeah.

00:29:09.860 We live in an age

00:29:10.780 where the rich

00:29:11.240 and powerful

00:29:11.640 wear hoodies

00:29:12.260 and pretend

00:29:13.120 to be normal

00:29:14.100 people.

00:29:14.500 And this is

00:29:15.080 like a little...

00:29:15.780 It feels like a

00:29:16.180 glimpse behind the

00:29:16.800 curtain to me

00:29:17.440 of like...

00:29:18.420 It's like you've

00:29:19.160 shown the poisonous

00:29:20.280 colours.

00:29:21.080 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:21.540 Here they are.

00:29:22.280 They are actually

00:29:23.040 the powerful.

00:29:24.120 It's like some

00:29:24.540 sort of 18th

00:29:25.420 century aristocrat's

00:29:26.460 ball in French

00:29:27.680 court, right?

00:29:29.060 Yeah.

00:29:29.460 But this is

00:29:29.900 supposed to be

00:29:30.380 a charity event.

00:29:31.380 Oh, is it?

00:29:31.920 So the Met Gala

00:29:32.740 is supposed to be

00:29:33.420 the greatest

00:29:33.880 fashion event

00:29:34.700 and it's

00:29:36.520 celebrating the

00:29:37.620 initiation,

00:29:39.180 the beginning

00:29:39.820 of the new

00:29:40.320 fashion year

00:29:40.900 and everyone

00:29:42.640 has to go there

00:29:43.620 and pose.

00:29:46.360 I don't know.

00:29:46.920 This doesn't

00:29:47.680 seem exactly

00:29:48.480 like close

00:29:50.380 to what people

00:29:51.140 would be concerned

00:29:51.940 with.

00:29:52.240 You don't walk

00:29:52.840 down the street

00:29:53.620 and see people

00:29:54.380 dressed like that.

00:29:55.220 It's all vanity

00:29:56.020 for them.

00:29:56.520 To take an

00:29:57.540 argument on the

00:29:58.100 other side

00:29:58.500 for a second,

00:29:59.780 I like creative,

00:30:02.560 expressive,

00:30:04.040 interesting things.

00:30:05.000 I like people

00:30:05.400 putting stuff out

00:30:06.180 into the world

00:30:06.680 that's like vibrant

00:30:07.900 and this stuff

00:30:09.740 is not too

00:30:10.920 crazy sexualised.

00:30:12.520 I mean,

00:30:12.720 I'm sure there is

00:30:13.260 some.

00:30:13.620 There's that.

00:30:14.640 It's actually

00:30:15.360 expressing a

00:30:17.000 certain kind

00:30:17.640 of joie de vivre

00:30:18.840 to be dressed

00:30:19.780 in an interesting

00:30:20.520 way.

00:30:21.180 So I'd rather

00:30:21.800 that than

00:30:23.000 that people

00:30:23.580 were just

00:30:24.780 filling the

00:30:25.200 world with

00:30:25.700 one plain

00:30:27.120 colour.

00:30:27.620 The thing

00:30:27.920 is this

00:30:28.260 feels like

00:30:30.060 I don't know

00:30:31.580 how to describe

00:30:31.980 it,

00:30:32.120 like some

00:30:32.740 again,

00:30:33.920 like eyes wide

00:30:34.480 shut sort of

00:30:35.200 style thing

00:30:35.860 where it's

00:30:36.380 very choreographed,

00:30:37.580 very organised

00:30:38.300 by a cabal

00:30:39.580 of international

00:30:40.140 paedophiles.

00:30:42.260 Yeah,

00:30:42.500 I mean,

00:30:42.760 in a way,

00:30:43.540 the paedophilia

00:30:44.480 poisons everything.

00:30:45.580 If the dressing

00:30:49.080 is the focus

00:30:50.300 rather than

00:30:51.360 the heinous

00:30:52.160 crimes,

00:30:52.860 then maybe

00:30:53.620 we've got

00:30:54.140 the wrong...

00:30:54.780 There's something

00:30:55.260 vaguely sinister

00:30:56.320 about it to me.

00:30:57.780 Have you watched

00:30:58.420 a movie with

00:30:59.040 Jennifer Lopez

00:30:59.800 and Vincent

00:31:00.380 D'Onofrio

00:31:00.920 where he is

00:31:01.680 a serial killer?

00:31:02.860 I don't remember

00:31:03.480 the name of the

00:31:04.140 movie,

00:31:04.440 but she somehow,

00:31:05.740 she was the

00:31:06.220 psychologist who

00:31:06.980 entered his

00:31:07.520 mind.

00:31:08.300 It was something

00:31:08.840 like that.

00:31:09.700 No,

00:31:09.960 I haven't.

00:31:10.480 Interesting.

00:31:11.820 There's something

00:31:12.560 about the sort

00:31:13.060 of like,

00:31:13.720 the orchestral

00:31:17.180 arrangement of it

00:31:19.400 that is so outside

00:31:20.760 of just normal

00:31:21.520 morality.

00:31:22.280 Which makes me

00:31:23.060 wonder the kind

00:31:23.720 of morality

00:31:24.100 these people have.

00:31:25.140 If you,

00:31:26.700 suppose reform

00:31:28.240 sweeps to victory,

00:31:29.740 the celebrities

00:31:30.260 all turn based,

00:31:31.560 we've got this

00:31:32.060 world where

00:31:32.600 everybody is

00:31:33.540 proclaiming these

00:31:35.040 truths about

00:31:36.120 important things,

00:31:38.000 and then the

00:31:39.560 rich and powerful

00:31:40.440 have a big

00:31:41.660 pageantry,

00:31:43.080 a big celebration,

00:31:44.380 but they all

00:31:45.140 are good people.

00:31:46.740 Do we approve

00:31:47.680 at that point?

00:31:48.340 I don't know

00:31:48.920 if I can guess

00:31:50.260 who you're talking

00:31:50.900 about in that

00:31:52.140 actually,

00:31:52.680 but...

00:31:53.280 It was a pure

00:31:54.120 hypothetical.

00:31:54.880 I'm saying,

00:31:55.500 are we opposed

00:31:56.400 to these people

00:31:57.480 because they're

00:31:58.360 all so progressive

00:32:00.280 and woke and

00:32:00.800 leading the world

00:32:01.260 in a horrible

00:32:01.620 direction?

00:32:02.160 It's not the

00:32:02.540 wokeness of it,

00:32:03.320 it's the falsity

00:32:04.840 of it that

00:32:05.800 bothers me.

00:32:08.040 I mean,

00:32:08.600 look at this,

00:32:09.160 a lot of work

00:32:10.000 came into

00:32:10.740 putting all

00:32:11.360 of this together,

00:32:12.220 but it's just

00:32:13.880 about vanity,

00:32:14.780 it's just about

00:32:15.340 exclusion.

00:32:16.620 I do think

00:32:17.220 that there is

00:32:18.200 the wokeness

00:32:19.400 and falsity

00:32:20.020 intermixed,

00:32:20.680 so this is

00:32:21.640 AOC from

00:32:22.700 the 2021

00:32:23.580 Met Gala

00:32:24.220 with the

00:32:24.700 tax the rich

00:32:25.420 thing,

00:32:26.260 and these

00:32:26.600 people seem

00:32:27.200 to not

00:32:28.920 particularly

00:32:29.500 have an issue

00:32:30.320 with money.

00:32:31.460 They seem to be...

00:32:32.400 Well, it costs

00:32:32.760 tens of thousands

00:32:33.380 of dollars

00:32:33.800 to buy a ticket.

00:32:34.940 Yeah,

00:32:35.140 and AOC

00:32:36.160 recently was

00:32:36.960 taking the

00:32:37.720 private jet,

00:32:38.300 right?

00:32:38.760 She claimed

00:32:39.380 she would

00:32:39.880 fly coach,

00:32:40.800 but...

00:32:41.220 There we go.

00:32:41.960 Not just that,

00:32:42.560 but the people,

00:32:43.360 the celebrities

00:32:44.100 there are

00:32:44.720 generally speaking

00:32:45.820 very much

00:32:46.560 into the woke

00:32:47.380 camp,

00:32:49.360 generally speaking,

00:32:50.360 and they seem

00:32:51.520 to think

00:32:52.360 that this

00:32:52.880 expresses...

00:32:53.880 That's an

00:32:55.420 interesting

00:32:55.780 cognitive dissonance,

00:32:56.840 isn't it?

00:32:57.500 That we,

00:32:58.380 on the one hand,

00:32:59.360 want to portray

00:33:00.360 ourselves as

00:33:01.180 of the people,

00:33:02.020 and nobody

00:33:02.880 should be

00:33:03.540 above anyone

00:33:04.000 else,

00:33:04.620 but also

00:33:05.200 there's one

00:33:05.660 day of the

00:33:06.040 year we're

00:33:07.080 going to

00:33:07.300 strut our

00:33:07.760 stuff and

00:33:08.320 show that

00:33:08.940 we are

00:33:09.260 bigger and

00:33:09.740 better than

00:33:10.140 you.

00:33:10.940 Like I said,

00:33:11.560 with the

00:33:11.740 eyes wide

00:33:12.140 shut vibe

00:33:12.760 as well,

00:33:13.380 the thing

00:33:13.620 looks

00:33:14.000 aesthetically

00:33:14.680 like

00:33:15.100 something

00:33:15.760 sinister

00:33:16.300 represented in

00:33:17.800 cinema as

00:33:18.680 well,

00:33:19.180 so that's

00:33:19.760 going to be

00:33:20.000 in people's

00:33:20.460 heads when

00:33:20.820 they see

00:33:21.120 this.

00:33:22.100 Like you

00:33:22.820 say,

00:33:23.120 we're all

00:33:23.620 for equality

00:33:24.100 except when

00:33:24.880 it's the

00:33:25.280 $50,000

00:33:25.900 ticket that

00:33:27.100 I'm going

00:33:27.380 to wear

00:33:27.580 with this

00:33:27.900 ridiculous

00:33:28.320 dress and

00:33:28.900 a mask

00:33:29.320 and all

00:33:30.080 of this

00:33:30.400 pageantry,

00:33:31.480 it's like,

00:33:31.840 okay,

00:33:32.080 this is

00:33:32.420 gay.

00:33:33.780 At the

00:33:35.000 very least,

00:33:35.620 what are

00:33:35.820 you doing?

00:33:36.420 By comparison,

00:33:37.780 the royals

00:33:39.340 would have

00:33:39.960 quite

00:33:40.860 extravagant

00:33:41.720 colors.

00:33:41.860 Okay,

00:33:42.060 that's great,

00:33:42.600 but they

00:33:42.880 at least

00:33:43.160 are like,

00:33:43.500 we're royals,

00:33:44.320 we're not

00:33:44.620 equals.

00:33:45.280 No,

00:33:45.580 and another

00:33:46.680 interesting

00:33:47.140 difference is

00:33:47.700 that the

00:33:48.080 people

00:33:48.560 parading are

00:33:50.080 often blocks

00:33:51.340 of military

00:33:52.220 men wearing

00:33:53.440 the same as

00:33:54.100 each other,

00:33:54.780 showing solidarity,

00:33:56.320 whereas in

00:33:56.680 this case,

00:33:57.280 the whole point

00:33:57.740 is every

00:33:58.180 celebrity must

00:33:58.960 look as

00:33:59.400 different to

00:33:59.780 everybody

00:34:00.020 else's

00:34:00.340 possible to

00:34:00.800 express their

00:34:01.360 individuality.

00:34:02.920 And the

00:34:03.180 end result,

00:34:03.900 when you look

00:34:04.260 at all of

00:34:04.960 the pictures

00:34:05.380 together,

00:34:06.060 is horrific.

00:34:07.220 That's one of

00:34:07.600 the reasons

00:34:07.860 it's ugly.

00:34:08.780 It's because

00:34:09.120 there's no

00:34:09.800 organization at

00:34:10.720 a higher level.

00:34:12.140 Everybody's

00:34:12.580 coming,

00:34:12.980 bringing their

00:34:13.500 own kind

00:34:14.340 of,

00:34:14.760 I want as

00:34:15.160 much limelight

00:34:15.800 as possible.

00:34:17.440 Well,

00:34:17.940 a lot of

00:34:18.200 this is,

00:34:19.100 I mean,

00:34:19.420 it's supposed

00:34:19.920 to be considered

00:34:20.480 high fashion.

00:34:23.100 Honestly,

00:34:23.840 I don't really

00:34:24.960 have a problem

00:34:25.780 with the Met

00:34:26.580 Gala.

00:34:27.040 I have a

00:34:27.440 problem with

00:34:27.980 them wanting

00:34:28.620 us to care

00:34:29.240 about the

00:34:29.580 Met

00:34:29.720 Gala.

00:34:30.680 And so if

00:34:31.380 they want

00:34:31.680 to parade

00:34:32.040 around and

00:34:32.740 look like

00:34:33.340 old kings

00:34:34.640 and queens

00:34:35.160 from some

00:34:37.680 distant era,

00:34:39.600 fine, go

00:34:40.540 ahead and be

00:34:40.920 weirdos.

00:34:41.400 If you want

00:34:41.720 to have your

00:34:42.040 Oscar awards,

00:34:43.280 go ahead and

00:34:43.780 have your Oscar

00:34:44.300 awards.

00:34:44.740 But I don't

00:34:45.340 care about

00:34:45.780 them.

00:34:47.100 The want

00:34:49.280 from the

00:34:49.680 American media

00:34:50.440 for us to

00:34:51.300 care about

00:34:52.260 the celebrity

00:34:53.100 class and

00:34:54.180 what they're

00:34:54.560 doing, I

00:34:55.660 think, to me,

00:34:57.060 is the problem.

00:34:57.760 This is my

00:34:59.160 objection and

00:34:59.820 where I

00:35:00.080 divorce from

00:35:00.620 the Americans

00:35:01.220 because the

00:35:01.900 Americans are

00:35:02.280 very live and

00:35:02.720 let live.

00:35:03.080 And I'm

00:35:03.200 like, no, we

00:35:03.580 should be

00:35:03.840 shaming these

00:35:04.420 people, actively

00:35:05.580 shaming them.

00:35:07.220 Well, we can

00:35:07.600 do that too.

00:35:09.020 We can definitely

00:35:09.680 shame them.

00:35:10.500 But at the

00:35:11.100 same time, I'm

00:35:11.700 also like, I

00:35:12.760 don't care enough

00:35:13.420 to like, oh,

00:35:14.300 what were they

00:35:14.720 wearing?

00:35:15.320 Oh, is that the

00:35:16.200 designer?

00:35:16.780 Wow.

00:35:17.580 I agree with

00:35:18.700 Adam.

00:35:19.140 And my issue

00:35:20.080 is that every

00:35:22.080 mainstream media

00:35:23.200 platform constantly

00:35:25.140 throws you stuff

00:35:25.980 about the Met

00:35:26.580 Gala.

00:35:27.140 That's the

00:35:27.720 issue that you

00:35:28.380 have.

00:35:28.600 I bet it's way

00:35:29.060 worse in

00:35:29.400 America.

00:35:30.380 Yeah, most

00:35:31.160 probably.

00:35:31.680 Yeah.

00:35:31.880 On the one

00:35:32.280 hand, you

00:35:32.620 have all the

00:35:33.200 news that

00:35:34.120 things that

00:35:35.340 are important

00:35:35.960 and that the

00:35:38.500 establishment

00:35:38.980 doesn't want you

00:35:39.740 to think about

00:35:40.400 and you

00:35:41.240 constantly have

00:35:42.360 this force on

00:35:43.180 you and

00:35:43.480 celebrity culture.

00:35:45.520 Is the

00:35:46.140 Met Gala

00:35:46.700 for women?

00:35:48.720 Is that why

00:35:49.280 we're failing to

00:35:49.860 understand it?

00:35:50.960 In certain

00:35:51.400 men.

00:35:51.860 I don't know.

00:35:53.560 To be fair,

00:35:54.620 the thing on

00:35:55.580 the left

00:35:56.040 there, the

00:35:56.560 royalty thing

00:35:57.320 is something

00:35:57.720 I would

00:35:58.140 wear.

00:36:01.140 It looks like

00:36:01.940 he's having

00:36:02.300 his hair cut.

00:36:03.020 Yeah, right.

00:36:05.820 Just a very

00:36:06.620 poff barber.

00:36:08.940 It's some

00:36:09.600 foil.

00:36:11.020 Also, I'd

00:36:11.500 had the

00:36:11.880 ribbon there

00:36:12.440 to be the

00:36:12.920 Mediterranean

00:36:13.540 aristocrat.

00:36:15.040 So let's

00:36:15.780 go down a

00:36:16.680 bit.

00:36:16.980 So Rihanna

00:36:17.400 is...

00:36:18.840 I don't know

00:36:19.220 who these

00:36:19.460 people are.

00:36:20.960 Diana Ross

00:36:21.700 is good, but

00:36:22.500 I mean, she...

00:36:23.780 I don't know

00:36:24.140 who that is.

00:36:25.540 She doesn't

00:36:26.100 seem to have

00:36:26.520 put very much

00:36:27.120 effort in,

00:36:27.560 really, does

00:36:27.840 she?

00:36:28.060 No.

00:36:28.140 No, it's

00:36:28.400 the rainbow

00:36:29.380 bangles.

00:36:30.120 Yeah.

00:36:30.920 Perhaps this

00:36:31.540 is a solid

00:36:32.040 message.

00:36:32.900 We have

00:36:33.180 Lewis Hamilton

00:36:33.800 here.

00:36:34.820 Word in the

00:36:35.160 street is...

00:36:36.320 He's the

00:36:36.900 Formula One

00:36:37.580 driver.

00:36:38.320 Word in the

00:36:38.820 street is he

00:36:39.480 isn't as good

00:36:40.520 a driver as

00:36:41.200 he used to

00:36:41.600 be.

00:36:42.160 He sort of

00:36:42.720 lost it.

00:36:43.260 That's what

00:36:43.640 I've heard.

00:36:44.760 But he was

00:36:46.080 a superb

00:36:47.160 driver.

00:36:47.840 But he was

00:36:48.260 also very much

00:36:49.020 into the

00:36:49.340 woke stuff.

00:36:50.500 Oh, I

00:36:51.360 believe it.

00:36:52.500 I mean, you

00:36:52.980 probably don't

00:36:53.440 arrive at

00:36:54.000 these sorts of

00:36:54.700 events if you're

00:36:55.280 not woke.

00:36:56.280 Yeah.

00:36:56.620 And this is

00:36:57.100 so woke of...

00:36:58.600 So woke of...

00:36:59.280 Kind of weird,

00:37:00.100 isn't it?

00:37:00.680 Yeah.

00:37:02.520 What about

00:37:03.280 this bag here?

00:37:05.780 That's a bowling

00:37:06.240 bag.

00:37:06.560 It is.

00:37:08.880 Who calls

00:37:09.560 themselves bad

00:37:10.260 bunny?

00:37:10.760 What about

00:37:11.240 these gloves?

00:37:11.740 He's a

00:37:12.000 rapper.

00:37:12.920 It's like

00:37:13.340 pistachio all

00:37:15.220 over them.

00:37:17.380 Right.

00:37:17.660 So Zendaya...

00:37:18.240 I actually

00:37:19.240 think Zendaya

00:37:20.180 was well

00:37:20.620 dressed.

00:37:20.840 This is the

00:37:21.340 most normal one.

00:37:22.160 Yeah, that's

00:37:22.540 reasonable.

00:37:24.000 Yeah.

00:37:26.400 No...

00:37:27.080 That's fine.

00:37:27.560 I mean, that's

00:37:27.900 just a dress.

00:37:29.020 It's just slow

00:37:29.860 energy.

00:37:30.400 Nothing new in it.

00:37:31.240 Yeah, but that's

00:37:31.920 a fairly normal

00:37:32.660 looking dress.

00:37:33.240 I don't know.

00:37:35.620 I think it

00:37:36.600 should be

00:37:37.200 disqualified.

00:37:40.320 Look at those

00:37:41.280 shoulders.

00:37:41.820 I love the

00:37:42.240 zoom in.

00:37:42.920 She looks like

00:37:43.660 a Batman

00:37:44.660 villain.

00:37:45.120 Yes.

00:37:46.020 Yes, that's

00:37:46.820 exactly.

00:37:47.800 Literal

00:37:48.320 supervillain

00:37:48.960 costume.

00:37:49.480 Yeah, and

00:37:49.920 not just a

00:37:50.720 sort of

00:37:51.000 Klaus Schwab

00:37:51.820 semi-realistic

00:37:52.980 villain, but

00:37:53.620 like an

00:37:54.020 exaggerated

00:37:55.040 cartoon Saturday

00:37:55.960 morning.

00:37:59.140 You will

00:38:00.040 watch Med

00:38:00.580 Gala and

00:38:01.140 be happy.

00:38:03.240 You will

00:38:03.640 eat the

00:38:04.040 bugs.

00:38:04.600 I mean, this

00:38:04.980 is genuinely

00:38:05.440 Hunger Games

00:38:06.120 stuff, right?

00:38:06.940 Yeah.

00:38:07.240 I mean, that's

00:38:07.800 also an

00:38:08.420 okay-ish dress.

00:38:10.180 I'm kind of

00:38:10.660 in favor of

00:38:11.160 bringing back

00:38:11.520 capes, to be

00:38:12.020 honest.

00:38:12.600 Yeah, me

00:38:13.340 too.

00:38:13.700 And also, I

00:38:15.560 like Lupita

00:38:16.360 Nyong'o.

00:38:16.760 I liked her

00:38:17.240 in Us.

00:38:17.760 I don't know

00:38:17.980 who that is.

00:38:18.580 Have you

00:38:19.020 watched Us?

00:38:19.880 I haven't

00:38:20.100 seen it.

00:38:20.400 That was a

00:38:20.760 good movie.

00:38:21.540 Yeah, she

00:38:21.860 was good there.

00:38:24.020 We have here

00:38:24.860 Trammell Tillman.

00:38:25.820 He reminds me

00:38:27.040 of Bugs

00:38:27.500 Bunny as a

00:38:28.040 maestro.

00:38:28.940 Why is he

00:38:29.280 turning on the

00:38:29.860 floor?

00:38:30.140 He looks like

00:38:30.480 his word

00:38:30.780 as dad's.

00:38:32.900 What are

00:38:33.500 these weird

00:38:34.460 feathers here?

00:38:35.400 I don't know.

00:38:36.500 Oh, I didn't

00:38:36.960 catch that.

00:38:37.480 I thought

00:38:37.720 that was the

00:38:38.100 background.

00:38:40.020 That's on his

00:38:40.700 suit.

00:38:41.340 Yeah, they

00:38:41.860 are here, but

00:38:42.560 they are not

00:38:43.160 visible on the

00:38:43.960 picture.

00:38:44.760 There's this

00:38:45.200 difference between

00:38:46.040 out couture and

00:38:46.960 then what you

00:38:47.760 wear on the

00:38:49.260 street, right?

00:38:50.940 So you ask

00:38:51.780 who's the

00:38:52.280 Megala for?

00:38:53.140 Yeah.

00:38:53.400 These are the

00:38:53.860 certain type of

00:38:54.580 guys.

00:38:55.300 I guess.

00:38:55.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:38:56.460 I guess it is.

00:38:57.680 But I love the

00:38:58.220 expression as well.

00:38:59.360 Like he's showing

00:38:59.960 us.

00:39:00.160 It's like, look,

00:39:00.640 man, you're the

00:39:01.000 rich guy.

00:39:01.460 I don't know.

00:39:01.980 I'm not, you

00:39:02.560 know, I can't

00:39:02.880 afford to go to

00:39:03.300 the Met Gala.

00:39:04.100 This is the

00:39:05.740 Met Gala meets

00:39:06.800 Saturday Night

00:39:07.320 Live.

00:39:08.080 This is the

00:39:08.860 Bernie Sanders

00:39:09.620 opener.

00:39:10.220 Was it Saturday

00:39:10.480 Night Fever?

00:39:11.060 It's got the

00:39:11.780 disco vibe going

00:39:13.880 on.

00:39:14.020 Why has he got a

00:39:14.520 dress as well?

00:39:15.560 He's going to

00:39:16.480 escort AOC to

00:39:17.900 her next Bernie

00:39:19.140 Saunders rally.

00:39:19.980 I guess he is.

00:39:20.820 I don't know who

00:39:21.280 this is, but I

00:39:21.940 don't know.

00:39:22.740 I don't know any

00:39:23.200 of these people.

00:39:24.380 This looks like

00:39:25.700 the icing on a

00:39:27.440 cheesecake.

00:39:27.800 It's not the

00:39:29.540 worst one.

00:39:30.400 I mean, that's

00:39:30.820 pretty good.

00:39:31.080 It looks like

00:39:31.800 Finding Nemo.

00:39:32.160 I think we found

00:39:32.640 the worst one.

00:39:33.260 Oh, this is the

00:39:35.260 Hunger Games one,

00:39:36.000 right?

00:39:36.620 This looks a lot

00:39:37.340 like the Hunger

00:39:38.080 Games type.

00:39:38.840 It looks like a

00:39:39.340 clownfish.

00:39:40.120 Or something of

00:39:40.640 the fifth element

00:39:41.440 or something,

00:39:41.960 right?

00:39:42.140 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:42.680 Just, what are

00:39:44.800 you doing?

00:39:45.900 Doesn't this look

00:39:46.460 like something you

00:39:47.340 would see out of

00:39:48.160 like a humiliation

00:39:49.180 ritual?

00:39:49.880 Yes.

00:39:51.200 Yeah.

00:39:52.140 You have to dress

00:39:53.260 like this.

00:39:53.780 Right.

00:39:54.380 Here we have Liz

00:39:55.200 on the left and

00:39:56.180 probably Fu Manchu

00:39:57.220 on the right.

00:39:58.580 What's up with

00:39:59.240 these claw-like

00:40:00.380 nails?

00:40:01.100 Because girls have

00:40:01.960 them and they

00:40:02.840 always look like

00:40:04.720 talons of a

00:40:05.860 predator to me.

00:40:06.520 Yeah, like

00:40:06.960 Wolverine.

00:40:08.100 Super villain

00:40:08.680 coded again.

00:40:09.260 It's incredibly

00:40:11.220 funny where

00:40:11.800 they try to

00:40:12.340 type and you

00:40:13.140 hear the click

00:40:13.960 click on the

00:40:14.840 head.

00:40:15.740 The advantage is

00:40:16.360 you can type

00:40:17.160 from across the

00:40:17.740 room.

00:40:19.400 Last thing, I

00:40:20.200 mean, I just

00:40:21.060 look at those

00:40:21.460 and think, how

00:40:22.420 terribly impractical,

00:40:23.420 right?

00:40:23.640 I mean, I

00:40:23.900 wouldn't, at least

00:40:24.620 it stops you from

00:40:25.140 scrolling on your

00:40:25.620 phone.

00:40:26.080 I think that's

00:40:26.960 the reason why

00:40:27.640 they, subconsciously

00:40:29.300 because it's

00:40:29.880 impractical, you

00:40:30.600 know that these

00:40:31.180 people are higher

00:40:32.400 class because they

00:40:33.400 don't have to do

00:40:33.980 manual labor.

00:40:35.140 Someone else is

00:40:36.140 putting the cake

00:40:36.680 in Vizzo's mouth.

00:40:37.320 I've got to

00:40:39.300 put cake in my

00:40:39.900 own mouth.

00:40:40.380 Imagine how big

00:40:41.340 the piece of cake

00:40:41.960 you can hold

00:40:42.580 with those

00:40:42.980 claws.

00:40:44.420 So, I will

00:40:45.720 give kudos to

00:40:46.540 Liza because she

00:40:47.160 has lost weight.

00:40:48.620 What is

00:40:49.120 interesting is that

00:40:49.880 she was the

00:40:51.020 flag bearer of

00:40:52.180 the body

00:40:52.700 positivity

00:40:53.380 movement, saying

00:40:54.640 that you

00:40:54.960 shouldn't lose

00:40:55.440 weight and all

00:40:56.320 sorts of

00:40:56.820 ways are fine.

00:40:58.380 Now she, this

00:40:59.080 is the

00:40:59.500 far right, Liza.

00:41:02.020 Far right,

00:41:02.600 Liza.

00:41:04.460 Jodie Turner

00:41:05.300 Smith.

00:41:05.860 Was she, Oliver

00:41:07.100 a twist or

00:41:07.660 something?

00:41:08.040 Yeah.

00:41:08.660 Anyway, right.

00:41:09.780 So, we have

00:41:10.260 several things.

00:41:10.800 I want to show

00:41:11.500 you Andre 3000.

00:41:14.280 Where is he?

00:41:15.600 Yeah, here.

00:41:16.320 He's strapped on

00:41:17.020 a piano.

00:41:18.360 Oh, wow.

00:41:18.980 Doesn't he look

00:41:19.820 like a

00:41:20.180 soldier of

00:41:21.480 Napoleon?

00:41:23.080 In that

00:41:23.780 French military.

00:41:25.200 He would need

00:41:26.280 a white

00:41:26.920 looting

00:41:28.100 from Russia

00:41:28.720 and a musket.

00:41:30.980 He lost a

00:41:31.540 bet.

00:41:32.140 That's

00:41:32.420 what's

00:41:33.040 on his

00:41:33.360 face.

00:41:33.660 That's

00:41:35.800 something as

00:41:36.220 well.

00:41:36.320 They don't

00:41:36.540 look like

00:41:36.840 having fun,

00:41:37.440 do they?

00:41:38.100 No.

00:41:38.680 No.

00:41:39.580 Well, I

00:41:40.100 think to be

00:41:40.940 sort of fair

00:41:41.520 to the

00:41:41.860 celebrities,

00:41:42.480 obviously, like

00:41:43.420 they didn't

00:41:44.020 come up with

00:41:44.540 these creations.

00:41:45.740 I hope not.

00:41:48.200 Right.

00:41:48.720 So, you have

00:41:49.260 these different

00:41:49.700 designers that

00:41:50.520 grab a hold of

00:41:51.220 these different

00:41:51.640 celebrities and

00:41:52.580 they wear these

00:41:53.600 outfits.

00:41:54.340 It's just a

00:41:54.780 piano.

00:41:55.220 Right.

00:41:55.440 So, part of

00:41:58.060 me is

00:41:58.440 wondering, is

00:41:59.860 there some

00:42:00.320 symbolism by

00:42:01.080 the people who

00:42:01.600 make it and

00:42:02.380 these celebrities

00:42:02.920 don't realize

00:42:03.800 it?

00:42:04.180 Interesting.

00:42:05.100 Quite possibly.

00:42:06.040 Yeah.

00:42:06.540 Huh.

00:42:07.320 I want to

00:42:08.400 slightly push

00:42:09.340 back in that I

00:42:10.260 think we can be

00:42:11.360 accused of being

00:42:12.600 on the right.

00:42:13.960 Sometimes we

00:42:14.460 could be accused

00:42:14.980 of being stayed

00:42:16.080 and boring.

00:42:17.180 Yeah.

00:42:18.220 I think that we

00:42:20.300 should be more

00:42:20.880 selective about

00:42:21.780 pushing back against

00:42:22.640 things that are

00:42:23.320 actually wrong

00:42:24.240 rather than just

00:42:24.840 things that are

00:42:25.360 fun because

00:42:26.040 there's a kind

00:42:26.680 of grouchy

00:42:27.280 attitude that I

00:42:28.160 don't like

00:42:28.520 anything that's

00:42:29.160 new and some

00:42:30.640 of the stuff that

00:42:31.240 I was saying

00:42:31.700 there, I was

00:42:32.220 like, I think

00:42:33.380 it's harmless.

00:42:34.400 If anything, you

00:42:35.620 were saying it

00:42:36.080 doesn't look like

00:42:36.600 they're having

00:42:36.920 fun.

00:42:37.660 I think overall

00:42:38.440 the pictures with

00:42:39.300 that much

00:42:39.680 expression and

00:42:40.400 color, there is

00:42:41.460 something undeniably

00:42:42.560 fun going on

00:42:43.800 there.

00:42:44.200 It's not all

00:42:44.760 bad.

00:42:45.200 But I think

00:42:46.600 the type of

00:42:47.800 outfits they wear,

00:42:48.760 especially when you

00:42:49.300 talk to certain

00:42:49.800 women, they're

00:42:50.640 not wearing stuff

00:42:51.640 because it's

00:42:52.300 comfortable.

00:42:52.760 They're wearing

00:42:53.060 because it looks

00:42:53.740 a particular way

00:42:54.560 but those heels

00:42:55.620 are not

00:42:55.960 comfortable.

00:42:56.680 That tight

00:42:57.220 outfit is not

00:42:58.000 comfortable.

00:42:58.280 Carrying the

00:42:58.640 piano on your

00:42:59.100 back surely

00:42:59.620 isn't.

00:43:00.120 But almost all

00:43:02.240 of the stuff

00:43:02.700 the women are

00:43:03.180 wearing there is

00:43:04.160 a structured

00:43:05.080 garment which is

00:43:06.480 how all women

00:43:07.360 dressed until

00:43:08.180 100 years ago.

00:43:09.160 So would you

00:43:09.940 rather see women

00:43:10.840 putting lots of

00:43:12.180 effort into their

00:43:12.900 appearance and

00:43:13.460 being creative

00:43:14.040 or wearing

00:43:14.940 aft leisure wear?

00:43:15.800 This is the

00:43:18.860 most based

00:43:19.380 thing we've

00:43:19.860 ever looked

00:43:20.280 at.

00:43:20.780 Luke, would

00:43:22.840 you say that

00:43:23.300 this is how

00:43:23.820 women dressed

00:43:24.460 100 years

00:43:25.120 ago?

00:43:25.480 I can't

00:43:25.900 believe we're

00:43:26.740 pushing back

00:43:27.360 against objectifying

00:43:28.280 women.

00:43:29.860 Okay, so I

00:43:31.500 will disagree.

00:43:32.280 Women should be

00:43:32.840 flowers.

00:43:33.140 I will disagree

00:43:33.840 with you and I

00:43:34.680 think I'll join

00:43:35.220 Carl there because

00:43:36.140 I think aesthetics

00:43:36.860 matter and the

00:43:38.780 trends we see in

00:43:40.260 aesthetics are

00:43:41.140 symptomatic of

00:43:42.340 trends of

00:43:42.960 disconnect between

00:43:44.000 people and the

00:43:46.020 fashion designers

00:43:47.320 are generally

00:43:48.220 speaking meant to

00:43:49.440 be sort of

00:43:50.040 detached but when

00:43:51.540 you have Sidney

00:43:52.220 Sweeney you just

00:43:52.960 don't make a

00:43:53.560 dress like this.

00:43:55.300 This is the

00:43:55.840 worst dress I've

00:43:57.820 seen Sidney

00:43:58.660 Sweeney.

00:43:59.100 Why?

00:43:59.360 What's wrong

00:43:59.640 with it?

00:44:00.760 It's not

00:44:01.120 particularly

00:44:01.520 revealing.

00:44:02.380 Just one thing.

00:44:04.720 Oh, it's not

00:44:05.120 revealing enough.

00:44:06.120 Oh, all right.

00:44:06.740 Okay, go ahead.

00:44:07.660 Okay, so we have

00:44:08.700 here another thing.

00:44:10.080 White Lotus star

00:44:11.000 Lisa shocks at

00:44:12.100 Met Gala.

00:44:13.140 She appears to

00:44:13.640 wear lace

00:44:14.220 panties with

00:44:14.920 face of Rosa

00:44:15.740 Pox on her

00:44:17.020 crotch.

00:44:17.940 Just like

00:44:18.320 Rosa Pox.

00:44:20.540 How best to

00:44:22.040 honor her

00:44:22.440 memory.

00:44:23.840 Just

00:44:23.880 first you take

00:44:24.760 the front of

00:44:25.300 the bus.

00:44:27.220 Oh, but I

00:44:27.640 bet is that

00:44:28.180 Ruthie

00:44:28.620 Ginsburg as

00:44:29.600 well?

00:44:30.380 That is some

00:44:31.040 headline.

00:44:32.400 That is

00:44:33.280 remarkable.

00:44:35.540 Yeah, exactly.

00:44:36.120 And look at

00:44:36.500 this is the

00:44:37.040 Daily Mailer

00:44:37.680 and if you

00:44:38.040 see all on

00:44:39.420 the left, on

00:44:40.060 the right,

00:44:40.900 don't miss.

00:44:41.880 Almost everything

00:44:42.520 is about

00:44:43.020 the Met Gala.

00:44:44.020 Right, right, right.

00:44:45.240 Now, I don't

00:44:45.640 know if this

00:44:45.980 has to do

00:44:46.500 specifically with

00:44:47.640 the showbiz

00:44:48.140 section, but

00:44:48.880 generally speaking,

00:44:50.260 they try to

00:44:51.000 force this.

00:44:51.580 Right.

00:44:52.160 Here we had

00:44:52.720 Harry Berry

00:44:53.420 at the tender

00:44:55.740 age of 58.

00:44:57.380 Draw a strong

00:44:58.040 reaction for

00:44:58.700 exposing her

00:44:59.580 pubic area and

00:45:00.540 sheer dress in

00:45:01.260 Met Gala

00:45:01.800 clothes on.

00:45:02.540 25.

00:45:04.120 We have it

00:45:05.080 censored.

00:45:05.900 No.

00:45:07.100 Yeah, here.

00:45:08.800 Weird.

00:45:08.940 I don't think

00:45:09.340 we should be

00:45:09.600 showing it.

00:45:10.020 Yeah.

00:45:10.800 Nicki Minaj

00:45:11.460 here.

00:45:12.620 Again.

00:45:13.040 Surprisingly

00:45:13.440 conservative for

00:45:14.160 Nicki Minaj,

00:45:14.700 to be honest.

00:45:16.380 We have

00:45:16.780 Joey King.

00:45:17.840 What on

00:45:18.340 earth is this?

00:45:19.400 Oh, no.

00:45:20.060 Hang on,

00:45:20.480 she looks like

00:45:21.720 Alice in

00:45:22.220 Wonderland.

00:45:23.060 Something out

00:45:23.580 of Alice in

00:45:23.980 Wonderland,

00:45:24.400 right?

00:45:25.080 Like the Red

00:45:26.140 Queen or one

00:45:27.100 of her set

00:45:27.540 attendants or

00:45:28.160 something.

00:45:28.760 Yeah.

00:45:29.340 Yes.

00:45:29.780 Which, again,

00:45:31.700 is always

00:45:32.640 bringing up

00:45:33.240 aesthetics of

00:45:34.020 royalty, but

00:45:35.060 it's appropriating

00:45:36.180 it and saying

00:45:37.640 we're smashing.

00:45:38.680 I mean, this is

00:45:39.100 almost like a

00:45:39.620 Republican

00:45:39.980 statement of

00:45:40.860 we're taking

00:45:41.720 the opulence

00:45:43.860 of the royal

00:45:44.420 court from

00:45:45.300 Europe in

00:45:45.780 times past

00:45:46.520 and we're

00:45:47.920 wearing it

00:45:48.500 like trophies

00:45:49.560 of conquering.

00:45:51.520 It's like

00:45:52.080 Escape from

00:45:52.720 New York,

00:45:53.500 you know,

00:45:53.780 where they just

00:45:54.300 planned everything

00:45:55.100 and it's just

00:45:55.940 a mob.

00:45:57.000 Yeah.

00:45:58.140 So I do

00:45:59.060 think that

00:45:59.780 these trends

00:46:00.800 are very

00:46:01.240 worrying and

00:46:02.120 they do

00:46:02.540 suggest

00:46:03.100 worrying,

00:46:04.680 extra worrying

00:46:05.460 trends of

00:46:06.780 disconnect

00:46:07.100 between elites.

00:46:08.320 I'm kind of

00:46:08.760 with Luke on

00:46:09.320 this.

00:46:09.620 I agree that

00:46:10.120 it definitely

00:46:10.780 represents a

00:46:11.360 massive disconnect

00:46:12.100 from the elite

00:46:12.840 and regular

00:46:13.200 people, right?

00:46:13.960 I mean,

00:46:14.700 like,

00:46:15.160 why regular

00:46:15.940 people would

00:46:16.400 be interested

00:46:16.940 in this is

00:46:17.900 it just,

00:46:19.300 I mean,

00:46:20.080 like,

00:46:20.400 it's just

00:46:20.740 literally like

00:46:21.940 supervillains on

00:46:22.720 parade,

00:46:23.180 right?

00:46:23.720 Here's the

00:46:24.340 Joker and

00:46:24.720 his clown

00:46:25.120 makeup.

00:46:26.260 And,

00:46:26.400 I mean,

00:46:26.740 look at

00:46:26.960 the amount

00:46:27.940 of time

00:46:28.400 and effort

00:46:28.780 and money

00:46:29.120 that went

00:46:29.320 into this.

00:46:30.820 Anyway,

00:46:31.720 but I don't

00:46:32.420 know if

00:46:32.660 this in

00:46:33.240 itself,

00:46:33.660 I'm kind

00:46:34.200 of with

00:46:34.600 Luke on

00:46:34.880 this,

00:46:35.100 like,

00:46:35.720 this isn't

00:46:36.400 necessarily

00:46:36.920 the worrying

00:46:37.500 part.

00:46:39.160 It's the

00:46:39.760 fact that

00:46:40.160 the media

00:46:40.520 is constantly

00:46:41.040 bombarding

00:46:41.660 with this,

00:46:41.960 like you

00:46:42.200 were saying,

00:46:42.840 you know,

00:46:43.120 if the media

00:46:44.260 was just like,

00:46:44.720 you're not

00:46:44.880 really interested

00:46:45.380 in that,

00:46:45.640 but that's

00:46:46.040 true,

00:46:46.800 I'm not

00:46:47.300 interested in

00:46:47.880 this.

00:46:48.600 But as you

00:46:49.420 say,

00:46:49.900 with the

00:46:50.200 Daily Mail,

00:46:50.620 it's just

00:46:50.860 constant,

00:46:51.400 non-stop

00:46:51.860 clickbait.

00:46:52.700 I still

00:46:53.620 think,

00:46:54.040 for women,

00:46:55.060 reading these

00:46:55.600 articles,

00:46:56.140 it's the

00:46:56.360 same as

00:46:56.700 if we

00:46:56.960 were reading

00:46:57.320 about tanks.

00:46:58.440 You've just

00:46:58.900 got to let

00:46:59.260 people have

00:46:59.660 their interest.

00:47:01.940 For one

00:47:03.220 day a year,

00:47:03.780 for the

00:47:04.000 celebrities

00:47:04.360 to strut

00:47:04.860 their stuff,

00:47:05.600 that sort

00:47:05.860 of contains

00:47:06.360 it.

00:47:07.020 Now you've

00:47:08.140 said it

00:47:08.380 like that,

00:47:08.760 I'm like,

00:47:08.980 no,

00:47:09.140 I don't

00:47:09.380 want

00:47:09.580 celebrities

00:47:10.080 ever.

00:47:12.300 That wasn't

00:47:14.440 my point,

00:47:15.540 the point I

00:47:16.200 wanted to

00:47:16.960 raise,

00:47:17.240 because when

00:47:17.920 it comes

00:47:18.320 to media

00:47:18.900 and,

00:47:19.460 you know,

00:47:20.660 mainstream

00:47:20.980 media,

00:47:22.380 people watch

00:47:23.440 headlines and

00:47:24.680 they know

00:47:25.460 how it

00:47:25.840 operates.

00:47:26.440 So they

00:47:26.740 are constantly

00:47:27.420 bombarding

00:47:28.100 everyone with

00:47:28.860 it.

00:47:29.120 So it's

00:47:29.660 more like

00:47:30.100 saying you

00:47:30.460 have to

00:47:31.060 see this.

00:47:32.340 Yes.

00:47:32.600 You have

00:47:33.020 to think

00:47:33.420 about

00:47:33.660 Met Gala.

00:47:35.300 And it's,

00:47:36.360 I think what

00:47:36.680 you were

00:47:36.920 saying before

00:47:37.400 that in

00:47:38.060 the US

00:47:38.340 there is

00:47:38.800 definitely

00:47:39.240 a trend

00:47:40.540 to push

00:47:41.260 celebrity

00:47:41.980 culture.

00:47:42.240 Would you

00:47:43.220 say that's

00:47:43.600 unfair to

00:47:44.000 say?

00:47:44.400 No,

00:47:44.580 that's

00:47:44.860 definitely

00:47:45.260 fair to

00:47:45.680 say.

00:47:46.420 The idea

00:47:47.260 that we

00:47:47.700 should give

00:47:48.360 a damn

00:47:48.660 about what

00:47:49.780 they're up

00:47:50.260 to.

00:47:50.680 Listen,

00:47:51.060 there's

00:47:51.460 always like

00:47:51.940 niche stuff.

00:47:52.960 TMZ

00:47:53.480 exists for a

00:47:54.080 reason.

00:47:54.280 There's a

00:47:54.720 market for

00:47:55.240 it.

00:47:56.280 And I

00:47:57.540 will admit

00:47:58.180 there was

00:47:58.460 one point

00:47:58.900 in my

00:47:59.200 life where

00:47:59.880 I would

00:48:00.580 watch TMZ

00:48:01.280 and I

00:48:01.740 was like

00:48:02.100 why do

00:48:02.440 I know

00:48:02.780 this?

00:48:04.480 But it's

00:48:05.220 stuff that

00:48:05.960 you just

00:48:06.220 kind of

00:48:06.460 pass by.

00:48:07.660 This is

00:48:08.040 distraction.

00:48:09.240 But that's

00:48:10.380 like a

00:48:10.680 niche thing.

00:48:11.300 But there's

00:48:11.600 sometimes

00:48:12.040 where it's

00:48:12.940 like it's

00:48:13.500 in the

00:48:14.160 mainstream

00:48:14.520 where they

00:48:15.080 want you

00:48:15.560 to focus

00:48:15.940 on these

00:48:16.280 things and

00:48:16.840 care about

00:48:17.520 that Kim

00:48:18.280 Kardashian

00:48:18.780 is doing

00:48:19.260 X, Y,

00:48:19.740 and Z

00:48:20.040 and why

00:48:20.580 you should

00:48:20.880 care.

00:48:21.240 I don't

00:48:22.140 care what

00:48:22.840 any of

00:48:23.180 these people

00:48:23.520 are doing.

00:48:23.860 Did you

00:48:24.160 hear about

00:48:24.440 Kanye?

00:48:24.960 I don't

00:48:25.520 care what

00:48:25.900 Kanye is

00:48:26.280 doing.

00:48:26.440 Kanye is

00:48:27.420 quite funny.

00:48:29.920 It's always

00:48:30.540 nailed down.

00:48:31.520 He's funny and

00:48:31.720 tragic at the

00:48:32.320 same time.

00:48:32.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:33.820 He's completely

00:48:34.700 mad.

00:48:35.480 And I miss

00:48:36.120 Christine

00:48:36.520 Kanye.

00:48:37.400 Do you

00:48:37.500 remember a few

00:48:38.060 years ago when

00:48:38.500 he was doing

00:48:39.220 gospel singing

00:48:40.300 and stuff and

00:48:40.840 he was like

00:48:41.160 hardcore

00:48:41.520 Christine?

00:48:41.920 I'm like,

00:48:42.320 okay, that's

00:48:42.760 wholesome.

00:48:43.260 I can totally

00:48:43.940 see that being

00:48:45.160 a respectable

00:48:45.520 thing.

00:48:45.820 And then he's

00:48:46.080 like, actually,

00:48:46.600 I'm a Nazi

00:48:47.100 and I love

00:48:47.540 Jews.

00:48:47.840 What are you

00:48:49.520 doing, man?

00:48:50.080 You're mad.

00:48:50.740 Yeah, he's

00:48:51.780 all over the

00:48:52.200 place.

00:48:53.980 Sorry, carry

00:48:54.920 on, Sinus.

00:48:55.780 No, that's

00:48:56.540 it.

00:48:56.760 I think that

00:48:57.300 I just think

00:48:59.620 that it's weird

00:49:00.620 that people care

00:49:01.380 about this and

00:49:02.220 who on earth

00:49:03.080 would make a

00:49:03.620 segment about

00:49:04.180 it?

00:49:04.400 Yeah, what

00:49:07.300 I most despise

00:49:08.920 is media

00:49:09.740 organisations

00:49:10.480 talking about

00:49:11.200 the Met

00:49:11.500 girl.

00:49:12.340 Anyone who

00:49:13.000 does that.

00:49:14.920 There's one

00:49:15.500 thing that

00:49:15.860 bothers me.

00:49:16.940 The movie was

00:49:18.360 called The

00:49:18.680 Cell Stelios.

00:49:19.760 Yeah, that's

00:49:20.280 it.

00:49:20.620 I haven't

00:49:21.180 seen it.

00:49:22.100 Habsification

00:49:22.500 says, after

00:49:23.440 what comes out

00:49:23.880 of the elites

00:49:24.280 in Hollywood

00:49:24.640 with Epstein

00:49:25.420 and Diddy,

00:49:26.220 I believe

00:49:26.540 they're all

00:49:26.800 a bunch of

00:49:27.100 child-sacrificing

00:49:27.900 homosexual sex

00:49:28.700 cults.

00:49:29.640 Yeah, to be

00:49:30.340 honest, it's

00:49:31.240 hard not to

00:49:31.860 believe that.

00:49:32.420 Well, not all

00:49:32.940 of them.

00:49:33.700 Well, you

00:49:33.940 say that.

00:49:34.720 That's just

00:49:35.000 right.

00:49:38.120 But there

00:49:38.660 have been loads

00:49:39.160 of like, like

00:49:39.760 Elijah Wood was

00:49:40.640 like, yeah, there

00:49:41.080 were loads of

00:49:41.500 pedos around me

00:49:42.220 in Hollywood and

00:49:42.920 my mum protected

00:49:43.720 me from them.

00:49:44.280 It's like, sorry,

00:49:45.280 what is going on

00:49:46.020 here?

00:49:46.400 Just, you know,

00:49:47.020 there's just loads

00:49:47.880 of pedos on the

00:49:48.560 film set.

00:49:48.980 It's just normal.

00:49:50.280 Is it?

00:49:51.640 I don't know, man.

00:49:52.620 I'm just saying

00:49:53.400 like.

00:49:53.820 It doesn't sound

00:49:54.480 normal.

00:49:55.140 It doesn't sound

00:49:55.560 very normal to me.

00:49:57.040 Well, normal is

00:49:58.380 an exception.

00:49:59.120 Relative concept.

00:49:59.940 Right.

00:50:01.580 In this city,

00:50:03.260 there's a lot

00:50:04.160 of pedos.

00:50:05.500 And it just so

00:50:06.260 happens that all

00:50:06.840 of your movies are

00:50:07.600 produced here.

00:50:08.280 So go to the

00:50:09.060 cinema and watch

00:50:09.640 them.

00:50:09.760 It's like, do you

00:50:10.360 want kids to be

00:50:11.140 safe or a really

00:50:11.900 good blockbuster?

00:50:12.580 You got to pick

00:50:14.060 one.

00:50:15.220 The same with the

00:50:15.920 BBC, though.

00:50:16.520 The BBC literally

00:50:17.300 has a statue that

00:50:18.460 was made by a

00:50:19.040 pedophile outside of

00:50:19.860 it.

00:50:20.220 And then someone

00:50:20.700 went and vandalized

00:50:21.440 it.

00:50:21.560 And they're like,

00:50:21.800 no.

00:50:22.000 And they repaired

00:50:22.460 it and kept it

00:50:23.020 back up.

00:50:23.400 It's like, the

00:50:24.100 statue is of a

00:50:25.820 pedophile doing

00:50:27.200 something noncy by

00:50:28.580 a pedophile.

00:50:29.480 It's like, why

00:50:30.080 have we got that

00:50:30.840 up?

00:50:31.500 Why do we have to

00:50:32.080 pay for this?

00:50:32.660 Like, we're forced

00:50:33.220 to pay for this.

00:50:33.880 And so it's just

00:50:34.360 like, I don't know,

00:50:35.500 man.

00:50:35.760 Just saying.

00:50:36.600 This is all bad.

00:50:37.680 Just stop it.

00:50:38.500 You know?

00:50:39.680 Shamo says, the

00:50:40.700 parents' false

00:50:41.380 teachings create the

00:50:42.240 cross their children

00:50:42.800 will carry.

00:50:43.660 Therefore, good

00:50:44.120 teachings will make

00:50:44.720 it lighter.

00:50:45.160 I choose the

00:50:45.460 Catholic Church.

00:50:46.040 Bad people doesn't

00:50:46.880 necessarily mean bad

00:50:47.560 doctrine.

00:50:48.660 Yeah.

00:50:49.220 True.

00:50:50.120 But have you seen

00:50:51.340 the number of trans

00:50:52.200 kids celebrities have

00:50:53.480 these days?

00:50:54.420 There's a lot.

00:50:55.320 Yeah.

00:50:55.920 It's not just a

00:50:57.180 coincidence, I think.

00:50:58.480 Yeah.

00:50:58.760 I think it's a deep

00:50:59.580 social contagion in

00:51:00.760 this sort of sphere

00:51:01.580 of people who dress

00:51:02.820 up like weirdos.

00:51:04.420 You know,

00:51:05.280 flaunting their

00:51:06.240 wealth.

00:51:06.540 It's like, okay,

00:51:06.940 these people are

00:51:07.460 mental.

00:51:07.980 I am not joking

00:51:08.900 when I'm saying

00:51:09.460 this is end of

00:51:10.360 civilization stuff

00:51:11.420 because this is

00:51:13.000 excessive sympathy

00:51:13.960 to the place where

00:51:14.960 every sort of

00:51:16.100 discipline seems

00:51:16.900 tyranny.

00:51:17.760 Yeah.

00:51:17.860 That's why the

00:51:18.440 kids are, all of

00:51:20.580 them trans.

00:51:21.280 The Roman Republic

00:51:22.100 is actually a really

00:51:22.580 good example of

00:51:23.200 this, right?

00:51:23.520 Because, I mean,

00:51:23.840 if you look at

00:51:24.220 people like

00:51:25.060 Cincinnatus

00:51:25.760 didn't go to the

00:51:27.220 Met Gala or the

00:51:27.960 Roman equivalent of

00:51:28.640 Met Gala, but then

00:51:29.460 you look at, like,

00:51:30.120 you know, Commodus or

00:51:30.980 whoever.

00:51:31.460 Well, he didn't have

00:51:32.060 a choice.

00:51:32.840 Well, yeah, sure.

00:51:33.780 But, like, you

00:51:34.420 know, later Roman

00:51:36.000 emperors who are

00:51:36.720 just, you know,

00:51:37.540 total degenerates.

00:51:38.780 And it's like, yeah,

00:51:39.680 this is, the arc of

00:51:41.500 the civilization is

00:51:42.260 coming down now,

00:51:43.080 you know.

00:51:44.660 Anyway, right, dark

00:51:46.120 youth serum is

00:51:47.060 everywhere.

00:51:47.500 All I see in this

00:51:48.120 Gala.

00:51:48.460 I don't know what

00:51:48.880 that means, Caliph,

00:51:50.240 but I appreciate the

00:51:51.500 comment.

00:51:52.660 Right, let's move on

00:51:53.900 because apparently we're

00:51:54.580 getting another woke

00:51:55.180 pope.

00:51:56.260 Yes, the previous

00:51:57.640 super chat mentioned

00:51:58.440 the Catholic Church.

00:51:59.820 This is a big day

00:52:00.780 for Catholics.

00:52:02.240 I'm a Protestant, but

00:52:03.340 I'm happy to bring you

00:52:04.700 the news of our

00:52:05.420 brothers from Rome.

00:52:06.500 I'm an atheist, but

00:52:07.200 I'm also a

00:52:07.740 Protestant.

00:52:09.720 Classic Anglican

00:52:10.620 atheist.

00:52:11.100 Yes, yes.

00:52:12.680 And they are going

00:52:14.100 to elect their

00:52:16.080 next pope.

00:52:17.100 So, Pope Francis,

00:52:18.800 let's ask the

00:52:20.020 panel, what were

00:52:21.380 your thoughts on

00:52:22.560 Pope Francis?

00:52:23.460 They really went

00:52:24.220 downhill when he

00:52:25.000 decided he was just

00:52:25.700 going to kiss some

00:52:26.360 Muslim's feet for no

00:52:27.240 reason.

00:52:27.960 That was one thing,

00:52:28.900 yeah.

00:52:29.220 Do you remember

00:52:29.760 anything about his

00:52:31.420 reputation, what he

00:52:33.340 got up to?

00:52:34.040 Well, the American,

00:52:35.420 I'm speaking as the

00:52:36.920 American, but the

00:52:37.420 American perspective

00:52:38.140 was that he was

00:52:39.940 very liberal, and

00:52:42.560 that's, I'm being

00:52:43.380 very generous when I

00:52:44.420 say liberal.

00:52:46.240 In some ways, there

00:52:48.860 were things that I

00:52:49.440 appreciate about him

00:52:50.360 as far as, he did

00:52:52.280 seem like trying to

00:52:53.620 be like a man of the

00:52:54.540 people, but then

00:52:55.680 there were moments

00:52:56.200 where it seemed like

00:52:56.740 he was going a little

00:52:57.620 bit too far, where

00:52:58.640 he was, especially

00:53:02.200 when it comes to, I

00:53:03.780 think if I remember

00:53:04.620 correctly, he had

00:53:05.060 some kind of

00:53:05.780 controversial things

00:53:06.520 as far as abortion

00:53:07.400 and gay marriage

00:53:10.720 and things like that.

00:53:11.040 Not very Catholic.

00:53:11.880 Yes.

00:53:12.700 So there were

00:53:13.140 things that are,

00:53:14.060 like, if you told

00:53:15.020 me the Pope said

00:53:15.940 he's against gay

00:53:16.780 marriage, I would

00:53:17.420 have been like,

00:53:17.720 yeah, that's about

00:53:18.560 every Pope would

00:53:20.160 say that.

00:53:21.100 But he was someone

00:53:22.100 who stood out that

00:53:23.200 was different in

00:53:24.380 regards to that.

00:53:25.840 Very communist.

00:53:27.000 Right.

00:53:27.260 Very light on sin.

00:53:28.840 I think that's the...

00:53:30.340 Typical Catholics.

00:53:32.600 Right.

00:53:32.780 It was something that

00:53:34.820 was very obvious to

00:53:36.240 me, that he was

00:53:36.920 very light on calling

00:53:38.300 things what they are.

00:53:40.160 And I say this as far

00:53:42.380 as being a Christian,

00:53:43.460 obviously you give

00:53:44.200 people grace and,

00:53:45.840 you know, you're

00:53:46.740 supposed to hate the

00:53:47.380 sin, not the sinner.

00:53:48.200 Agreed, yeah.

00:53:48.740 So completely understand

00:53:49.800 that.

00:53:50.300 But there's a point

00:53:50.960 where you're supposed

00:53:51.560 to call out the sin.

00:53:54.420 Yes.

00:53:54.740 Pope, Pope, you

00:53:55.460 meant that.

00:53:56.720 Yeah, and Jesus was

00:53:57.820 known for spending

00:53:59.220 time with the

00:54:00.820 prostitutes and the

00:54:01.980 sinners, but only if

00:54:03.580 they were repentant.

00:54:04.900 These were people who

00:54:05.860 were turning their

00:54:06.760 lives around, and we

00:54:08.180 have to remember both

00:54:09.000 ourselves.

00:54:09.700 Anyway.

00:54:10.300 Just a quick thing

00:54:11.140 though.

00:54:11.400 I think that the...

00:54:12.960 I mean, I'm not, like

00:54:13.780 I said, I'm not a

00:54:14.220 Catholic, but I really

00:54:15.760 hate it when things

00:54:16.440 are inauthentic.

00:54:17.440 I want Catholics to be

00:54:18.960 Catholic.

00:54:19.640 I want Protestants to

00:54:20.860 be atheists.

00:54:21.780 I want...

00:54:21.980 Whoa.

00:54:24.580 Sorry, sorry.

00:54:25.340 I'm just joking.

00:54:25.780 I want the thing to be

00:54:28.560 the thing that it

00:54:29.180 claims to be, and

00:54:29.980 actually embody it

00:54:30.960 essentially as well as

00:54:32.220 aesthetically.

00:54:33.520 And for me, the thing

00:54:34.960 that really annoyed me

00:54:35.680 about Francis was when

00:54:36.440 he was like, oh no,

00:54:37.140 any religion is a path

00:54:38.280 to heaven.

00:54:39.260 All religions are a

00:54:40.180 path to heaven.

00:54:40.700 Which is mind-boggling.

00:54:41.940 You can't say that.

00:54:43.880 That's open heresy.

00:54:45.280 Right.

00:54:45.480 That is just open

00:54:46.400 heresy.

00:54:47.260 And like I said, I'm

00:54:48.000 not a Catholic, but I

00:54:48.720 don't want you to be a

00:54:49.320 heretic pope and, like,

00:54:51.680 lie, because it can't

00:54:52.700 be true.

00:54:53.480 It can't be that every

00:54:54.360 religion is a path to

00:54:55.160 God, or else why are

00:54:55.920 you a Catholic?

00:54:56.940 Right.

00:54:57.280 You know, be something

00:54:57.940 else.

00:54:58.120 Don't be anything.

00:54:58.800 You know, you just

00:54:59.300 feel like, well, none

00:54:59.860 of it matters, actually.

00:55:00.700 Just throw this all

00:55:01.420 away.

00:55:02.260 Bollocks.

00:55:02.720 It can't be true.

00:55:03.320 Right.

00:55:03.640 There are truth claims

00:55:04.940 made by every religion.

00:55:06.260 Yes.

00:55:06.720 And so they cannot all

00:55:08.320 be true at the same

00:55:09.320 time.

00:55:09.780 They are all directly

00:55:10.560 contradictory.

00:55:11.080 So if you are the

00:55:11.960 pope, someone who is

00:55:13.800 supposed to be a

00:55:14.300 Christian, you're making

00:55:15.480 a truth claim about

00:55:16.900 Christ.

00:55:17.560 Yes.

00:55:17.980 And that is

00:55:18.480 antithetical to

00:55:19.480 everything else that

00:55:20.600 other religions are

00:55:21.480 saying, especially if

00:55:22.660 we were to pick one,

00:55:23.520 Islam.

00:55:24.360 Islam is antithetical

00:55:25.800 to Christianity.

00:55:27.440 Or Judaism, which

00:55:28.460 also denies Christ.

00:55:29.600 Or paganism, which

00:55:30.420 denies Christ.

00:55:31.160 I mean, like, every

00:55:31.800 religion is, they're

00:55:33.680 mutually exclusive.

00:55:34.760 You can't just say,

00:55:35.560 oh, they're all okay.

00:55:36.660 No, they're all

00:55:37.340 basically the same,

00:55:38.060 right?

00:55:38.280 Yeah.

00:55:38.400 You know, that's what

00:55:40.120 an atheist would say.

00:55:41.440 That's what basically

00:55:42.220 the same.

00:55:42.800 You have to figure out

00:55:43.700 what Jesus was meaning

00:55:44.560 when he said, I am the

00:55:45.500 way, the truth, and the

00:55:46.080 life.

00:55:46.400 No one comes to the

00:55:47.160 Father but through me.

00:55:48.760 He's not saying, I am a

00:55:50.000 way, a truth, a life.

00:55:51.840 Come to the Father.

00:55:52.980 All different directions.

00:55:54.580 I'm just one, but one

00:55:55.760 roots.

00:55:55.960 That's not what he said.

00:55:56.840 Maybe worshipping Zeus is

00:55:57.180 just as good as worshipping

00:55:58.140 me, you know, whatever.

00:55:58.940 Yeah.

00:55:59.400 So, let me explain for

00:56:00.820 people who don't know

00:56:01.600 what's going on.

00:56:02.360 They're about to hold the

00:56:03.380 conclave, which is when...

00:56:05.320 Sounds mystical.

00:56:05.920 Yes, conclave, it basically

00:56:07.980 means with key.

00:56:09.060 They're going to lock

00:56:09.740 themselves in a room, a

00:56:11.060 bunch of cardinals, and

00:56:12.540 have a series of votes

00:56:14.120 until eventually they

00:56:15.380 reach two-thirds

00:56:16.200 agreement.

00:56:17.500 Has it always been done

00:56:18.260 this way?

00:56:18.880 No, they had various

00:56:20.260 different rules.

00:56:21.060 Essentially, one time it

00:56:22.400 took them three years to

00:56:23.440 elect a pope, and they

00:56:24.520 said, okay, we need a

00:56:25.500 system.

00:56:26.860 That's how democracy

00:56:27.880 started.

00:56:28.720 Yes.

00:56:29.200 So, I think it was

00:56:30.260 Gregory X who came up

00:56:31.580 with the current set of

00:56:32.860 rules.

00:56:33.120 In fact, it says in

00:56:34.240 1274.

00:56:35.060 Oh, there we go.

00:56:35.580 There we go.

00:56:36.080 Good.

00:56:36.240 I'm glad when the

00:56:37.740 internet agrees with me,

00:56:38.960 it rarely happens.

00:56:40.380 So, they're going to...

00:56:41.580 I think the last couple

00:56:42.540 of times it's only taken

00:56:43.680 two days, in fact, for

00:56:44.800 them to vote.

00:56:46.280 They can count the votes

00:56:47.100 faster than Calipari.

00:56:47.660 But, interestingly, of

00:56:49.420 the 135 cardinals who

00:56:51.380 will be voting this year,

00:56:52.860 108 of them were

00:56:55.180 directly appointed by

00:56:57.020 Pope Francis.

00:56:58.820 So, the chances of the

00:57:01.160 next pope being a great

00:57:02.780 departure from the very

00:57:04.420 progressive, liberalizing,

00:57:06.900 as we've been discussing,

00:57:08.980 the chances of the next

00:57:11.260 pope being completely in

00:57:12.400 the opposite direction is

00:57:13.360 quite low.

00:57:16.160 I've seen that there have

00:57:17.520 been a bunch of based

00:57:18.660 African popes who are

00:57:20.800 like, actually, we are

00:57:21.840 Catholics.

00:57:22.720 Yeah.

00:57:22.900 No, I had to fact check

00:57:24.700 this to see if it was

00:57:25.440 true.

00:57:25.780 I believe one of the

00:57:26.760 potential new popes from

00:57:28.680 Africa, his name is

00:57:29.940 actually Ambongo.

00:57:32.780 Hey, look, I'm not

00:57:33.740 against them having...

00:57:34.360 So, he's the one we

00:57:35.400 should all be hoping for.

00:57:36.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:37.020 Because he's probably the

00:57:37.860 one who's like, yeah, no,

00:57:38.660 we're definitely against,

00:57:40.320 you know...

00:57:40.680 Yeah.

00:57:41.240 Well, did you see the

00:57:42.540 Conclave movie?

00:57:43.720 This was...

00:57:44.340 No.

00:57:44.500 One of the themes in that

00:57:46.020 was that the liberals are

00:57:47.740 really stressing because

00:57:49.140 there's one of the...

00:57:51.340 Frontrunners is an

00:57:52.580 African pope and they're

00:57:53.500 all like, it would be

00:57:54.540 great to have a black

00:57:55.760 pope.

00:57:56.460 Except.

00:57:56.640 But they're also like,

00:57:57.520 he's also very, very

00:57:58.460 conservative.

00:57:58.900 So, yes.

00:58:00.600 I mean, that was another

00:58:01.440 part of Francis's agenda

00:58:03.260 while he was pope, was

00:58:05.480 to expand the Catholic

00:58:07.320 Church around the

00:58:08.300 world.

00:58:08.800 It was massively

00:58:10.520 Eurocentric and most

00:58:12.700 of the people who have

00:58:13.960 been added as cardinals

00:58:15.620 are from Africa or Asia.

00:58:18.800 So, yeah, there's a fair

00:58:20.040 chance that we will get

00:58:20.940 the first non-white pope.

00:58:23.540 But frankly, I'm less

00:58:24.680 concerned about that as I

00:58:26.020 am about the opinions

00:58:27.900 that the guy will hold.

00:58:31.480 I want a based African

00:58:32.800 pope going, why are you

00:58:33.700 gay?

00:58:36.640 There's one of them who's

00:58:38.520 slightly on the more

00:58:39.380 conservative end whose

00:58:40.340 name is something like

00:58:41.400 Pasta Balls or something.

00:58:43.100 He's Italian.

00:58:44.060 Right.

00:58:44.240 So, he's my other

00:58:45.180 shoe-in if he gets it.

00:58:46.860 Right.

00:58:47.260 Pasta Balls.

00:58:48.920 I can't remember what the

00:58:50.480 exact name was, but...

00:58:52.840 Yeah, so there's a good

00:58:56.220 chance that it'll be

00:58:57.700 Zupi, I think, who was

00:59:01.040 the peace envoy to

00:59:03.140 Ukraine.

00:59:05.040 There's a guy...

00:59:07.780 I'm sorry, I'm trying to...

00:59:09.840 You're not reading.

00:59:10.780 Do you want to go down?

00:59:11.420 Yes, if we could scroll

00:59:12.000 down a little bit on my

00:59:12.700 notes.

00:59:14.240 There he is.

00:59:15.300 Pizza Baller.

00:59:17.320 Piero Bastista Pizza

00:59:19.000 Baller.

00:59:19.920 Oh, that is actually his

00:59:20.800 name.

00:59:21.100 Pizza Ball.

00:59:22.840 Who is the Latin

00:59:23.880 Patriarch of Jerusalem.

00:59:27.140 And he visited Gaza

00:59:28.680 during the recent...

00:59:30.180 His Holiness Pizza Ball.

00:59:31.480 Apparently, one of the

00:59:32.400 things that happens is that

00:59:33.500 you often alternate between

00:59:34.860 a Pope who is more

00:59:36.280 pastoral and then a Pope

00:59:38.260 who is more kind of

00:59:40.020 diplomatic.

00:59:40.820 Oh, right.

00:59:41.100 And Francis is considered

00:59:42.360 to have been a pastoral

00:59:43.700 Pope.

00:59:45.480 What do we mean when we

00:59:46.260 say pastoral exactly?

00:59:47.200 Rather than putting a lot

00:59:49.020 of attention on giving a

00:59:51.180 Catholic opinion on

00:59:52.100 conflicts around the

00:59:52.940 world and telling people

00:59:54.180 what they should be

00:59:54.700 doing, he's giving more

00:59:56.660 soft advice about...

00:59:57.700 Poke advice.

00:59:58.840 Well, so you could argue

01:00:00.400 if it's going to be this

01:00:02.440 tick-tock that the next

01:00:04.280 guy might be a little bit

01:00:05.760 more strict on doctrine.

01:00:07.760 That would be a good

01:00:09.040 outcome.

01:00:09.400 Peter Erdo is another

01:00:12.640 possibility.

01:00:14.040 He's probably the most

01:00:15.200 right-wing, as in

01:00:16.500 conservative, realistic

01:00:18.400 one.

01:00:18.800 He's connected to Hungary.

01:00:20.960 I think he's endorsed...

01:00:22.900 Is it...

01:00:23.840 Orban.

01:00:24.720 Orban, yeah.

01:00:26.620 So maybe he's secretly

01:00:28.800 the one that we should all

01:00:29.540 be hoping for.

01:00:30.240 I mean, look at what it

01:00:31.220 says.

01:00:31.480 He's famously been a more

01:00:32.820 conservative voice within

01:00:33.780 the church.

01:00:34.280 And I love this, though.

01:00:35.400 Having opposed the

01:00:36.300 practice of divorce.

01:00:37.220 I mean, that is one of the

01:00:38.500 major schisms historically,

01:00:40.700 right?

01:00:41.340 Yeah.

01:00:41.660 Like, remarried Catholics

01:00:43.020 receiving Holy Communion.

01:00:44.700 And he also compared the

01:00:46.280 act of taking refugees to

01:00:47.540 human trafficking.

01:00:49.340 There's been a bunch of

01:00:50.460 media.

01:00:51.060 Yeah, he sounds great.

01:00:52.220 I was going to say, a lot

01:00:54.180 of the media around the

01:00:56.200 Pope recently, there was

01:00:57.380 that Two Popes movie,

01:00:58.940 there was the Young Pope

01:01:00.100 TV series, are often

01:01:03.800 portraying these different

01:01:05.500 papal figures where you

01:01:08.480 have one who's clearly

01:01:09.460 portrayed as the good

01:01:10.180 guy, you know, stroking

01:01:11.280 cats and being nice to

01:01:12.540 people.

01:01:13.000 And he's talking about how

01:01:14.080 the church needs to

01:01:15.020 liberalize and allow women

01:01:16.280 bishops and so on.

01:01:17.520 And then you have the guy

01:01:18.380 who's stomping around,

01:01:19.500 slapping people and saying

01:01:20.560 we need to go back and

01:01:22.100 bring back the, you know,

01:01:23.600 the Latin mass, things

01:01:24.520 like this.

01:01:24.700 I vote for that guy.

01:01:25.860 So we will see.

01:01:27.580 But if, you know, if I was

01:01:29.120 a betting man, I think

01:01:30.940 we're seeing a woke Pope.

01:01:32.940 It's going to be someone

01:01:33.440 like this guy, right?

01:01:34.260 Liberal.

01:01:35.540 Yeah.

01:01:36.100 I mean, yeah.

01:01:39.100 Pope Francis had an inner

01:01:40.940 circle and often it's a

01:01:43.740 surprise.

01:01:44.300 The guy who comes out as

01:01:45.640 the Pope, like I don't

01:01:46.540 think Francis was on most

01:01:48.120 people's bingo cards last

01:01:50.120 time there was a conclave.

01:01:53.740 So there's a saying.

01:01:55.000 It's pizza bala.

01:01:55.920 Yeah, I know.

01:01:57.060 There you go.

01:01:57.580 Pizza bala.

01:01:59.520 Pizza bala versus

01:02:01.020 bongos is essentially

01:02:03.240 what's happening here.

01:02:04.780 Where are the African

01:02:05.360 ones?

01:02:05.660 I want some of their

01:02:06.180 statements.

01:02:08.180 So we'll see.

01:02:09.200 There's a saying.

01:02:09.960 If you go into a conclave

01:02:11.540 Pope, you will come out

01:02:13.080 as a cardinal.

01:02:14.240 The cardinals are just

01:02:15.360 fairly senior rankers.

01:02:16.760 Out of Africa, says the

01:02:18.600 Independent.

01:02:19.340 That's a weird way of

01:02:20.260 framing it.

01:02:22.140 Cardinal Peter Turks and

01:02:23.360 Conservative, love it.

01:02:25.480 Yeah.

01:02:25.780 So, I mean, expanding to

01:02:28.560 the world.

01:02:28.960 It's a bit like our

01:02:29.760 first topic that if you

01:02:30.840 bring in people from

01:02:31.840 around the world, they

01:02:32.520 will probably actually be

01:02:33.300 more conservative than

01:02:34.640 the liberals, the white

01:02:36.300 liberals.

01:02:36.420 Against the use of

01:02:37.200 condoms despite the AIDS

01:02:38.440 pandemic in Africa.

01:02:39.480 Yeah.

01:02:39.680 So it's the same thing.

01:02:40.500 If you've, what

01:02:41.480 hard line of things was

01:02:42.520 he expanded a lot of, he

01:02:44.420 added a lot of cardinals

01:02:45.340 to Africa, but of course

01:02:46.480 the African cardinals tend

01:02:48.620 to be fairly conservative.

01:02:50.620 Yeah.

01:02:50.780 Fairly based.

01:02:51.540 So it's a kind of two

01:02:53.120 edged sword.

01:02:55.920 Great.

01:02:56.380 I'm not a Catholic or

01:02:57.240 anything like that, but I

01:03:00.740 don't know why, but

01:03:01.580 something bothers me about

01:03:02.940 how they're ranking things

01:03:04.240 like conservative, liberal

01:03:05.620 and things like that.

01:03:06.680 But none of this is about

01:03:08.400 Christ.

01:03:09.300 Yeah.

01:03:09.640 I should say the ranking

01:03:13.900 of the potential

01:03:15.380 candidates from liberal to

01:03:17.440 conservative is not

01:03:18.560 something that Catholics

01:03:19.820 themselves generally talk

01:03:21.180 in terms of.

01:03:21.920 It's more of a perception

01:03:23.420 people from the outside put

01:03:25.100 on to what's going on.

01:03:27.320 And that's fair.

01:03:28.340 I should say, I should

01:03:29.720 say in defense of, of

01:03:31.060 Catholics who I, I don't

01:03:32.680 think we have represented

01:03:33.560 in this conversation.

01:03:35.420 When I've spoken to them,

01:03:37.300 their prayers for the

01:03:38.640 next pontiff is that

01:03:40.040 there's somebody who is,

01:03:41.600 who loves Jesus and who

01:03:43.440 is humble and will.

01:03:44.940 Call the 10th crusade.

01:03:47.520 That's the Catholics.

01:03:48.100 That's the Catholics.

01:03:49.100 That's what I'm reading

01:03:50.380 through the lives.

01:03:50.840 The Catholics I know are

01:03:51.400 calling for that.

01:03:52.900 So, you know.

01:03:54.240 I mean, look at this guy

01:03:54.960 though, like Cardinal

01:03:56.160 Serra is traditionalist

01:03:57.080 and conservative, but I

01:03:58.300 love the way the

01:03:58.680 independent are framing

01:03:59.320 this.

01:03:59.860 One of his strengths is

01:04:00.900 that he has a deeper

01:04:01.600 understanding and respect

01:04:02.500 for Islam.

01:04:03.620 It's like, you're, you're

01:04:04.600 the Catholic.

01:04:06.460 Like, I mean.

01:04:09.180 Traditionalist and

01:04:09.920 conservative and.

01:04:11.860 Loves Muslims, but he's

01:04:13.020 against anti-LGBT.

01:04:14.340 So I guess there's that.

01:04:16.200 But just like.

01:04:18.400 It's funny how the media

01:04:19.700 can't decide when they're

01:04:20.920 talking about the Catholics

01:04:21.860 if they are an organization

01:04:24.260 on the precipice of

01:04:25.900 liberalizing into

01:04:27.300 atheism or if they are

01:04:29.420 the arch conservatives

01:04:30.760 and they're doing all of

01:04:32.700 this child abuse.

01:04:33.800 It's depending on what

01:04:34.960 the recent news story is.

01:04:35.940 It goes one way or the

01:04:36.460 other.

01:04:37.100 I don't think the surname

01:04:38.200 Marx is good.

01:04:40.560 You don't want a leftist.

01:04:41.940 Was there a Marx?

01:04:42.640 I didn't even.

01:04:42.900 Yeah.

01:04:43.560 Scroll up a bit.

01:04:44.400 Oh yeah.

01:04:44.580 Cardinal Marx.

01:04:46.580 Dun dun dun.

01:04:47.900 Oh, he's a little

01:04:48.540 shock.

01:04:48.880 So I think we should

01:04:50.820 pray for this that's

01:04:53.100 happening even though

01:04:53.660 I'm not a Catholic.

01:04:54.680 I think it would be

01:04:55.500 great if the person

01:04:56.460 chosen is.

01:04:58.100 Was a Catholic.

01:04:58.740 Yeah.

01:04:59.360 Like the last Pope.

01:05:00.400 Is a representative of

01:05:00.700 God rather than a kind of

01:05:02.340 self-aggrandizing liberal,

01:05:04.720 you know.

01:05:05.640 Just a quick thing.

01:05:06.540 As a Protestant, what

01:05:07.800 could the Catholics do to

01:05:08.740 win you over?

01:05:09.920 Oh, to win me over?

01:05:10.660 Well, I had an interesting

01:05:11.460 conversation with someone

01:05:12.260 recently who was a

01:05:13.420 Catholic who said that

01:05:15.020 part of the ethos of

01:05:17.360 Catholicism is about

01:05:18.560 tradition and because I

01:05:20.200 was not brought up in a

01:05:21.740 Catholic tradition, he

01:05:23.100 said that would be the

01:05:23.760 least Catholic thing for

01:05:24.640 you to do to switch.

01:05:27.060 Now, there are specific

01:05:29.320 theological claims that

01:05:31.020 are made by the Catholic

01:05:32.480 Church that I differ on.

01:05:34.980 So realistically, they

01:05:36.340 would have to convince me

01:05:37.400 on those fundamental

01:05:38.500 arguments.

01:05:39.800 We won't get into them

01:05:40.820 now.

01:05:40.940 I don't think we have

01:05:41.760 time, but yeah, I

01:05:44.340 certainly, so one of the

01:05:48.280 things, I've talked to

01:05:50.660 lots of Christians over

01:05:51.520 the last few years online

01:05:52.560 and we've got a little

01:05:53.760 community, people from all

01:05:56.560 different denominations

01:05:57.500 and I've made it quite an

01:05:58.700 effort to be cross

01:06:01.000 denominational and not to

01:06:02.560 get dragged into lots of

01:06:04.100 fighting.

01:06:05.160 I feel more, the meme of

01:06:07.040 like we're more similar

01:06:07.860 than the first thought,

01:06:09.160 right, is playing out.

01:06:10.600 Yeah, but one of the

01:06:11.660 things people from all

01:06:13.060 the different denominations

01:06:13.920 talk about is how they

01:06:15.480 struggle in their church

01:06:17.040 with how woke things have

01:06:19.580 become and it's kind of

01:06:20.740 cross, because so

01:06:21.640 sometimes Catholics will

01:06:22.880 go to Protestants and

01:06:23.720 point at their churches

01:06:24.660 which are covered in the

01:06:25.500 rainbow flags.

01:06:26.280 As if the Catholics

01:06:26.840 don't have that to do.

01:06:27.420 But then you go, well,

01:06:27.900 yeah, okay, but what

01:06:28.440 has your Pope been saying?

01:06:29.600 So actually, I think we

01:06:30.600 need to band together as

01:06:32.860 based Christians in

01:06:34.540 solidarity and say,

01:06:35.980 actually, we are part of

01:06:37.900 the body of Christ and

01:06:39.780 we're not defined by the

01:06:41.840 most extreme liberal

01:06:44.440 presentation of

01:06:45.540 Christianity that exists.

01:06:47.000 I have a question for

01:06:48.440 you because I'm not

01:06:49.980 particularly familiar with

01:06:51.220 it and especially

01:06:52.340 because you also asked

01:06:53.760 us what we think about

01:06:55.380 the previous Pope.

01:06:56.600 Yeah.

01:06:57.060 He had the, I think

01:06:58.700 there was a notion

01:07:00.060 going around that he

01:07:01.040 was very much pro-mass

01:07:02.360 migration, but I saw,

01:07:04.340 I have heard lots of

01:07:07.120 Catholics saying that

01:07:08.080 this, he has been

01:07:09.360 misrepresented on this.

01:07:11.000 Do you think he was

01:07:12.140 misrepresented or not?

01:07:14.200 I think a bit of both.

01:07:15.540 Okay.

01:07:16.460 He, he has been, his

01:07:18.380 statements have been

01:07:19.160 taken out of context a

01:07:20.320 bit and blown out of

01:07:21.780 proportion.

01:07:22.000 So that's good to,

01:07:22.880 that's good to hear.

01:07:24.680 On the other hand.

01:07:25.240 How was, how were they

01:07:26.560 taken out of context?

01:07:27.520 I can't tell you in that

01:07:28.620 specific instance.

01:07:29.740 Okay.

01:07:30.120 Sorry.

01:07:30.660 I'd have to, I'd have to

01:07:31.400 go and research exactly

01:07:33.220 what he said.

01:07:33.760 I don't want to

01:07:34.320 perpetuate the

01:07:35.200 misrepresentations.

01:07:36.860 The other thing I was

01:07:37.500 going to mention is

01:07:38.280 that for Christians who

01:07:41.060 are based and want to

01:07:42.500 find a based community,

01:07:44.240 I'm running a weekend

01:07:45.940 retreat.

01:07:46.680 Oh really?

01:07:47.080 It will only be for the

01:07:48.240 based.

01:07:49.340 I don't want to say only

01:07:50.420 for Christians, but a

01:07:51.580 lot of the content

01:07:52.140 actually is Christian.

01:07:52.520 I imagine it's going

01:07:53.560 to be.

01:07:54.920 Pope Francis probably

01:07:55.960 isn't going to want

01:07:56.400 to go.

01:07:56.760 Can I give you a couple

01:07:58.280 of quick details about

01:07:59.060 it's on the 11th to

01:08:00.780 the 13th of July.

01:08:02.080 It's in Norfolk in the

01:08:03.020 UK and I've done it for

01:08:04.260 a few years.

01:08:05.460 If you're interested in

01:08:06.660 coming along, then you

01:08:07.720 should email me at

01:08:08.560 lambda.retreats at

01:08:10.260 gmail.com and it's, I

01:08:13.180 tell you, it's such a

01:08:13.980 relief to be around

01:08:14.720 people who have that

01:08:16.080 rare combination of

01:08:17.580 being serious about

01:08:18.820 their faith, whether or

01:08:20.080 not they feel that

01:08:20.640 they've reached there

01:08:21.380 or not, and serious in

01:08:23.980 terms of finding truth

01:08:25.220 about broader society

01:08:27.160 because so often you go

01:08:28.400 to a church and

01:08:29.300 you're like, the

01:08:30.540 person preaching from

01:08:31.680 the front is just

01:08:33.060 reciting the woke

01:08:34.500 agenda at me.

01:08:35.560 Unfortunately, that's

01:08:36.260 the, so occasionally I

01:08:37.540 have to go to

01:08:38.000 churches because, you

01:08:39.300 know, family functions

01:08:40.620 and stuff and the

01:08:41.780 local church that my, my

01:08:43.200 wife's sort of, you

01:08:43.940 know, family church

01:08:44.840 they go to.

01:08:45.660 It's run by a very

01:08:46.560 nice woman, but she's,

01:08:47.880 she's woke and I have

01:08:49.300 to sit through it.

01:08:50.260 Well, and the funny

01:08:51.680 thing is often the

01:08:52.580 pastors aren't actually

01:08:53.940 as woke as they

01:08:55.000 portray and their

01:08:56.420 perception is that they

01:08:57.520 can reach out to

01:08:58.320 people by saying, well

01:08:59.380 look, Jesus lines up

01:09:01.220 with your existing woke

01:09:02.760 opinions in these ways

01:09:04.460 if I kind of blur it

01:09:05.840 and stretch it.

01:09:06.420 I just don't want that

01:09:07.460 when we go to a church.

01:09:08.160 I want to be told that

01:09:08.940 I'm a sinner.

01:09:09.360 Half the people in the

01:09:10.100 congregation have been

01:09:11.080 sitting there quietly

01:09:11.880 thinking, well, I don't

01:09:13.020 like woke and if you're

01:09:13.940 telling me that Jesus is

01:09:14.900 woke, then I'm out twice

01:09:16.280 because he's also going to

01:09:17.400 ask me to do a bunch of

01:09:18.160 other things.

01:09:18.760 They'll do modern things

01:09:20.360 as well, like rework the

01:09:21.920 lyrics of a modern pop song

01:09:23.560 to be like, and it's

01:09:25.340 just like, give me the

01:09:26.780 Gregorian chance, man.

01:09:27.920 Give me like something

01:09:28.940 classic.

01:09:29.620 Give me a bit of fire and

01:09:30.520 thunder.

01:09:31.060 You know, tell me what

01:09:32.220 right from wrong is and

01:09:33.300 make me think that there

01:09:34.480 might be something

01:09:34.840 transcendent rather than

01:09:36.340 like some sort of Tony

01:09:37.720 Blairized version of the

01:09:38.860 church.

01:09:39.260 Yeah.

01:09:39.840 Well, I was going to say

01:09:41.440 the fundamental issue

01:09:42.760 with you were saying

01:09:43.700 like a pastor or a

01:09:45.660 priest trying to bring

01:09:49.580 someone in who's might

01:09:50.660 maybe more left.

01:09:51.660 the problem is that it

01:09:53.520 goes against the core

01:09:55.120 thing about love.

01:09:56.600 Love includes being

01:09:57.520 truthful, right?

01:09:58.860 So if you have to lie to

01:09:59.980 people, right?

01:10:00.720 You say, oh, I'm

01:10:01.260 bending it, but it's not

01:10:02.360 true, right?

01:10:03.480 So if you have to bend

01:10:04.380 the truth, it's a lie.

01:10:05.740 It's falsehood.

01:10:06.440 That's not love.

01:10:07.180 That's not based on

01:10:07.700 love.

01:10:08.220 So if you have to bend

01:10:09.940 the truth, a.k.a.

01:10:11.000 lie to people to bring

01:10:12.400 people towards Christ,

01:10:13.800 then this isn't the way

01:10:15.640 forward, right?

01:10:17.060 So that's partly my

01:10:19.020 issue with that, that

01:10:20.500 particular strategy.

01:10:22.240 I think our culture is

01:10:24.060 daft of truth.

01:10:26.300 They're having people

01:10:27.740 who think that being

01:10:28.580 honest with someone is

01:10:30.420 hurtful because they've

01:10:32.340 grown up in a culture

01:10:33.200 where being honest with

01:10:34.340 someone is something

01:10:35.800 that is rare.

01:10:37.000 And so everyone just

01:10:37.960 sugarcoats things like

01:10:39.000 you mentioned before,

01:10:39.940 like being very

01:10:40.600 feminized, like in the

01:10:41.480 schools.

01:10:41.960 It's a very feminized

01:10:43.000 culture where they're

01:10:43.980 worried about social

01:10:45.000 dynamics and sometimes

01:10:46.200 you need to be truthful.

01:10:47.460 You need to be honest.

01:10:48.340 And so there needs to

01:10:49.460 be that that mix of

01:10:50.640 masculine energy in our

01:10:51.820 society.

01:10:52.540 And so for the church

01:10:54.480 or Christians in

01:10:56.200 general to adhere to

01:10:58.140 the more feminized

01:10:59.240 approach where you're

01:11:00.500 worried about losing

01:11:01.480 people, I'm tired of

01:11:04.240 that as well, because

01:11:05.600 let me tell you, as a

01:11:07.320 I'll say this as a man

01:11:09.220 who grew up without his

01:11:10.060 father and growing up

01:11:11.100 with his mother and

01:11:11.840 sister and learning

01:11:13.500 that I'm also

01:11:15.320 adhering to that.

01:11:16.340 And when I started

01:11:17.240 adhering to being

01:11:18.460 truthful, like I'm

01:11:19.960 100% honest with my

01:11:21.340 wife, I'm 100% honest

01:11:23.300 with my son, and they

01:11:24.500 respect me for that.

01:11:25.880 There is so much

01:11:26.620 respect in truth, even

01:11:28.540 if they don't agree

01:11:29.280 with you, but you're

01:11:30.020 at least being honest

01:11:30.860 with them, rather than

01:11:32.760 lying so you can try to

01:11:34.540 sort of please them.

01:11:35.780 And no one respects

01:11:36.740 that at the end of the

01:11:37.780 day.

01:11:38.400 We want people to

01:11:39.200 respect Christ as well

01:11:40.220 as love him.

01:11:40.940 You can't love Christ

01:11:42.220 without truth.

01:11:43.400 So that's my

01:11:44.120 fundamental issue.

01:11:45.280 I think that's a

01:11:45.600 great point.

01:11:45.880 And another thing

01:11:46.540 that bothers me as

01:11:47.140 well is it's ceding

01:11:47.780 the morality to

01:11:49.420 leftism.

01:11:51.120 Leftism is actually

01:11:52.020 the correct morality

01:11:52.840 and I'm just going to

01:11:53.340 try and squeeze Jesus

01:11:54.400 into this thing.

01:11:55.680 It's like, no, I want

01:11:57.040 some sort of

01:11:57.520 Cromwellian preacher

01:11:58.680 to tell me what

01:11:59.960 right from wrong is and

01:12:00.820 how everyone else is

01:12:01.760 wrong and he's the guy

01:12:02.720 who's right.

01:12:03.660 And by God, you know,

01:12:04.940 there's going to be

01:12:05.520 hell to pay.

01:12:06.420 I think you're

01:12:06.680 totally right.

01:12:07.040 People are not

01:12:07.580 coming to churches

01:12:08.300 saying I have an

01:12:09.240 existing morality and

01:12:10.580 I want somebody to

01:12:11.440 tell me the root of

01:12:12.580 it.

01:12:12.960 They're saying I'm

01:12:14.280 confused.

01:12:14.880 Morality is this

01:12:15.880 shifting sand under

01:12:16.860 my feet.

01:12:17.260 I don't agree with

01:12:18.220 half the things and

01:12:18.960 I can't figure out

01:12:19.820 why.

01:12:20.700 I want somebody to

01:12:21.440 tell me there is a

01:12:23.160 morality and I will

01:12:24.300 listen to them when

01:12:25.360 they tell me what it

01:12:26.480 is, even if it's

01:12:27.400 different from what I

01:12:28.020 currently believe.

01:12:29.160 Yeah, no, I totally

01:12:29.700 agree.

01:12:29.880 It's weird because if

01:12:31.220 you don't think that

01:12:32.160 there is a morality

01:12:32.980 yourself, just someone

01:12:35.060 else telling you that

01:12:35.860 there is isn't going

01:12:36.840 to help.

01:12:37.160 No, but most people

01:12:38.260 think there is a

01:12:39.120 morality and when

01:12:39.980 other people tell them

01:12:40.880 that it's all relative

01:12:41.680 they go, no, it's

01:12:42.360 not.

01:12:43.060 So if somebody comes

01:12:43.980 along and at least

01:12:45.020 opens the conversation

01:12:45.940 with I believe there

01:12:47.600 is an objective

01:12:48.380 morality and I can

01:12:49.300 tell you why I

01:12:51.220 believe it and where

01:12:52.000 it comes from, now

01:12:53.220 you have that

01:12:53.980 conversation and maybe

01:12:54.800 you don't convince

01:12:55.680 them, but at least

01:12:56.640 that should be an

01:12:57.340 attractive starting

01:12:58.160 point.

01:12:58.600 People are dying to

01:13:00.240 be told there is

01:13:01.620 right, there is

01:13:02.260 wrong.

01:13:02.700 If I see evil, it's

01:13:04.020 evil.

01:13:04.560 It's not just some

01:13:05.640 adaptive thing that

01:13:07.660 evolution or societal

01:13:09.340 change and culture

01:13:10.520 has labeled as bad.

01:13:12.880 It's genuinely wrong

01:13:14.840 in a deep way.

01:13:16.160 Where does that come

01:13:17.060 from?

01:13:17.760 Yeah, I agree with

01:13:19.040 you, but I think the

01:13:20.520 problem mainly is

01:13:22.140 inverted morality

01:13:23.180 because we have all

01:13:24.300 sorts of moral

01:13:24.900 fanatics at the world

01:13:26.260 right now and for the

01:13:27.240 last decades.

01:13:28.160 who weren't exactly

01:13:29.420 moral relativists.

01:13:30.740 They wanted their

01:13:31.940 opposition to be

01:13:32.840 morally relativistic

01:13:34.300 and they really

01:13:35.760 hammered on a very

01:13:37.000 fanatic vision of

01:13:38.140 morality.

01:13:38.880 Yeah, we need the

01:13:39.400 same on the right.

01:13:40.300 So someone possibly

01:13:41.100 in like 17th century.

01:13:43.780 I'm not even joking.

01:13:44.980 Or just not recreate

01:13:46.460 the 1517, 1648 period

01:13:50.180 in Europe.

01:13:50.940 Maybe we shouldn't

01:13:52.220 want to recreate that.

01:13:53.380 There was far fewer

01:13:54.200 relative morality going

01:13:55.860 around, you know.

01:13:56.540 Yeah, morality going

01:13:58.300 around slicing each

01:13:59.420 other's throats.

01:14:00.120 Hey man, you have to

01:14:00.840 really believe in your

01:14:02.040 morality, the objective

01:14:03.020 morality to get to that

01:14:04.680 point.

01:14:05.660 But no, I'm with you.

01:14:06.880 I think there are a lot

01:14:08.220 of young people who are

01:14:09.060 actually just confused by

01:14:10.880 what leftist morality is

01:14:12.060 presented.

01:14:12.960 And actually, my

01:14:13.840 experience with

01:14:14.620 Christians has always

01:14:15.980 been that there are

01:14:16.460 actually people with a

01:14:17.200 firm moral compass who

01:14:18.680 do the right thing and

01:14:19.680 know right from wrong.

01:14:20.440 And even if I'm

01:14:21.840 personally not a

01:14:22.400 Christian, I still

01:14:22.960 really appreciate what

01:14:24.520 Christians believe and

01:14:25.940 how they comport

01:14:26.660 themselves in reality.

01:14:27.980 Well, and you were the

01:14:29.800 original inspiration for

01:14:30.880 my weekend retreat.

01:14:31.920 I know.

01:14:32.340 Get the monasteries back

01:14:33.460 together.

01:14:34.320 The classic Anglican

01:14:35.380 way.

01:14:35.780 Carous pictures.

01:14:37.280 It's been really

01:14:38.060 meaningful to a lot of

01:14:39.040 people.

01:14:39.720 So, you know, I want to

01:14:40.780 pass on there.

01:14:41.680 Thanks for inspiring it

01:14:43.700 in the first place.

01:14:44.440 Well, you can just do

01:14:45.260 things, it turns out.

01:14:46.160 Yes.

01:14:46.720 You can actually just do

01:14:47.920 stuff.

01:14:48.400 Yes.

01:14:48.760 People enjoy it.

01:14:49.360 Yes.

01:14:49.620 Life is not on rails.

01:14:51.160 It feels that way for a

01:14:52.100 long time.

01:14:52.540 And then you sort of

01:14:53.140 realize, oh, actually, I

01:14:54.960 can do whatever I choose

01:14:57.560 to do.

01:14:58.080 And you should do the

01:15:00.300 things that you think are

01:15:01.280 meaningful and important

01:15:02.100 rather than the things

01:15:03.140 that are just pleasure

01:15:04.740 inducing in the short

01:15:05.820 term.

01:15:06.380 I agree.

01:15:07.300 And I do think that

01:15:08.640 there's an element of

01:15:10.260 making sure that the

01:15:11.400 people who are trying to

01:15:12.260 come to Christ are

01:15:13.520 actually trying to come

01:15:14.460 to Christ.

01:15:15.560 There's, I think you

01:15:17.900 understand what I mean

01:15:18.600 by this.

01:15:19.300 There are people who

01:15:20.000 are in love with

01:15:20.500 Christianity and there

01:15:21.480 are people who are

01:15:21.960 loving Jesus.

01:15:23.060 And they tend to be

01:15:24.280 fundamentally two

01:15:25.020 different people.

01:15:25.920 One likes the

01:15:26.720 structure, the rules.

01:15:27.960 The Bible says, do

01:15:28.940 this.

01:15:29.320 That's why you should

01:15:29.820 do this.

01:15:30.240 Don't do this.

01:15:31.080 Don't do this.

01:15:32.680 Whereas there's an

01:15:33.800 element of missing out

01:15:34.980 on the love of

01:15:35.880 Christ, right?

01:15:37.300 And it's a balance

01:15:38.000 between the two.

01:15:38.780 It's not one or the

01:15:39.480 other.

01:15:40.000 Just in the same way

01:15:40.920 that people talk about

01:15:41.720 the love of Christ, but

01:15:43.440 then they get

01:15:44.640 manipulated into saying,

01:15:45.720 well, then he loves

01:15:46.440 everything, including

01:15:47.400 your sins, so you

01:15:48.380 can be this way and

01:15:49.400 that way.

01:15:50.040 You're trans, you're

01:15:50.960 gay, he loves

01:15:51.740 everybody.

01:15:52.080 Pope Francis.

01:15:52.780 And it becomes that

01:15:54.580 type of perversion.

01:15:55.500 It's the balance between

01:15:56.460 the two.

01:15:57.400 But I do think there's

01:15:58.260 an element of making

01:15:58.940 sure that we love

01:16:00.100 Christ first and use

01:16:01.880 Christ as a human

01:16:03.500 example of, like, he's

01:16:05.220 the North Star of our

01:16:06.300 conduct.

01:16:07.200 I think that's the

01:16:08.640 beauty in Jesus Christ

01:16:09.800 is that for other

01:16:11.280 religions, it is God

01:16:13.360 something that you

01:16:14.020 cannot visually

01:16:14.940 see, whereas

01:16:16.200 Christians, you

01:16:18.180 have God in human

01:16:19.420 form, so you can

01:16:20.540 mimic his behavior,

01:16:21.660 or at least know if

01:16:22.840 his conduct was like

01:16:23.820 this, if his moral

01:16:24.740 compass was like this

01:16:25.600 as a person, that's

01:16:26.980 the direction that we

01:16:27.740 should go.

01:16:28.520 I want to add to

01:16:29.960 what you said, because

01:16:31.040 to contextualize what

01:16:32.540 I said before, because

01:16:33.460 I think I'm going to

01:16:35.420 be misrepresented.

01:16:36.740 I don't say that if

01:16:39.260 people are morally

01:16:40.860 objectivist and speak

01:16:43.280 about objective

01:16:44.060 morality, that this is

01:16:45.300 going to recreate

01:16:45.980 Europe.

01:16:47.000 Right.

01:16:47.540 15, 17, 16,

01:16:48.980 14.

01:16:49.180 Ah, you've lost me

01:16:49.840 there, though.

01:16:50.260 I mean, yeah, yeah,

01:16:50.820 but no, no, no, no,

01:16:52.460 I want you to lose me.

01:16:54.440 So I want you to lose

01:16:55.800 me, because what I

01:16:56.980 want to say is that

01:16:57.840 there has to be a

01:16:59.440 balance between the

01:17:00.540 more emotional and

01:17:02.400 sympathetic style

01:17:04.460 approach and the

01:17:06.200 more, let's say,

01:17:08.900 morally steadfast

01:17:10.100 approach.

01:17:10.860 I'm for the fire and

01:17:11.880 brimstone purity.

01:17:12.400 Because if you have

01:17:13.840 the latter without the

01:17:14.960 former, if you have

01:17:16.080 the latter without the

01:17:16.980 former, and you

01:17:18.020 combine this with the

01:17:19.060 idea that a side is

01:17:20.540 going to enforce a

01:17:21.560 totalistic doctrine on

01:17:23.360 any dissenter, no,

01:17:25.440 that's when you have

01:17:26.360 people slicing each

01:17:28.300 other's throat, not

01:17:29.380 when they're morally

01:17:30.120 objectivist.

01:17:30.860 So, yes.

01:17:31.780 Yes.

01:17:32.380 No, I think that's

01:17:33.520 right.

01:17:34.540 Rather than talking

01:17:35.440 about a balance, which

01:17:36.860 sounds like a

01:17:37.380 compromise and neither

01:17:38.200 thing is fully embraced,

01:17:39.580 like Jesus, who was

01:17:41.840 100% in on love your

01:17:44.640 neighbor as yourself,

01:17:45.500 also said that I've

01:17:47.300 not come to abolish the

01:17:48.420 law, but fulfill it.

01:17:49.100 You know, we've got that

01:17:50.260 phrase like a jot or

01:17:51.380 tittle.

01:17:51.920 He's saying that that

01:17:53.240 comes from Jesus talking

01:17:54.380 about he's not going to

01:17:55.400 let even a jot or tittle

01:17:57.040 of the law pass away,

01:17:59.640 which was meaning like the

01:18:01.900 little dots and

01:18:03.000 punctuation marks on the

01:18:04.120 Hebrew.

01:18:04.360 So, he's saying 100%

01:18:07.280 people should be following

01:18:09.320 goodness and law and

01:18:11.660 should keep the

01:18:12.640 commandments, but if you

01:18:14.580 have not love, you have

01:18:15.600 nothing, right?

01:18:16.560 On that note, we're going

01:18:17.600 to go to some comments.

01:18:18.640 All right.

01:18:19.800 See the cross the parents

01:18:21.120 create for their children

01:18:22.160 creates how much the

01:18:23.220 children will participate

01:18:24.660 in Christ's sufferings on

01:18:25.940 the cross because of it.

01:18:26.920 They must shed their

01:18:27.600 false beliefs.

01:18:28.920 Yeah.

01:18:29.360 I mean, even from a

01:18:31.320 secular point of view,

01:18:32.200 it's just like, you know,

01:18:33.540 if you don't do the

01:18:35.300 right thing for your

01:18:35.780 children, you just create

01:18:36.580 burdens for them later

01:18:37.400 on in life.

01:18:37.940 And the thing is, it's

01:18:38.420 way easier.

01:18:39.140 This is the eternal

01:18:40.280 problem with smartphones

01:18:41.560 and tablets, right?

01:18:43.160 It is just easier just to,

01:18:44.460 yeah, okay, we'll just sit

01:18:45.480 you in front of a tablet,

01:18:46.200 but man, that is a cross

01:18:46.940 they're going to bear for

01:18:47.480 their whole lives.

01:18:48.220 You know, you are

01:18:48.880 dementing them and

01:18:50.200 that's not good.

01:18:51.560 Habsification says,

01:18:52.200 from any orthodox

01:18:53.100 perspective, we may come

01:18:54.140 across as wizards and

01:18:54.980 mystics, but at least we

01:18:55.700 stick to tradition.

01:18:56.760 To be honest with you,

01:18:57.260 that's the big

01:18:57.700 strength of Eastern

01:18:58.360 Orthodox, though.

01:18:59.880 It looks like mystic

01:19:01.220 wizarding, and that is

01:19:02.740 awesome.

01:19:03.440 You know, I'm up for

01:19:04.680 some of that.

01:19:05.420 No, seriously, I'm up

01:19:06.460 for some of that, you

01:19:07.080 know.

01:19:07.640 Like, I might be a

01:19:09.820 Puritan at heart, but I

01:19:10.580 really do appreciate the

01:19:11.520 aesthetics of Eastern

01:19:12.440 Christianity.

01:19:13.740 There's probably a reason

01:19:14.420 that so many of the

01:19:15.460 people who have come to

01:19:16.800 faith from the right

01:19:18.260 have ended up in

01:19:19.480 Orthodox churches.

01:19:20.480 The thing that

01:19:21.020 prevents me from it is

01:19:21.720 just lack of crusades.

01:19:25.120 Well, they objected to

01:19:26.080 the crusades on

01:19:26.840 religious grounds, which

01:19:27.860 is probably fair, but

01:19:28.880 boring.

01:19:31.500 I wouldn't say it's

01:19:32.360 just that.

01:19:33.000 Maybe it's more

01:19:33.700 historical as well.

01:19:35.520 12 or 4.

01:19:36.680 I don't know.

01:19:37.320 I mean, like...

01:19:37.800 Not the best.

01:19:39.000 Yeah, but that wasn't

01:19:40.560 the reason they objected

01:19:41.560 to it, because they kind

01:19:42.340 of inspired the

01:19:43.560 crusade, saying, look,

01:19:44.240 we need help with the

01:19:44.800 Turks.

01:19:45.760 And then it was like,

01:19:47.500 okay, but we're not

01:19:48.020 actually going to

01:19:48.540 participate in the

01:19:49.100 crusade for religious

01:19:50.520 reasons.

01:19:51.080 It's like, okay,

01:19:52.820 kind of it both ways.

01:19:53.700 You've got to agree on

01:19:55.080 one side, which is

01:19:55.920 beheading Turks.

01:19:58.800 Anyway, Tom Rowe says,

01:20:01.460 like a Gregorian chant

01:20:02.360 like the next car, but

01:20:03.160 love Brandon Lake's

01:20:04.140 gratitude, or that's who

01:20:05.440 I praise.

01:20:06.180 I've never heard of any

01:20:06.940 of these, sorry.

01:20:08.280 I'm just for something

01:20:09.740 that sounds many evil.

01:20:11.400 No, I actually agree

01:20:12.680 with this comment.

01:20:13.500 I mean, as much as it's

01:20:14.860 based to say, oh, I

01:20:16.520 only listen to Gregorian

01:20:17.760 chant, or Gregorian

01:20:19.000 chant is too recent for me.

01:20:20.500 Probably, yeah.

01:20:22.300 I actually think both

01:20:24.500 of those songs have

01:20:25.220 been a real blessing

01:20:26.740 to me also.

01:20:28.420 I've never heard them.

01:20:29.900 Now, Brandon Lake,

01:20:31.300 as I understand it, is

01:20:32.480 a bit of a progressive

01:20:33.460 as well as being a

01:20:34.880 Christian.

01:20:35.560 So you can't just,

01:20:38.020 you can't take

01:20:38.860 somebody's hymn and

01:20:41.340 say, because I sing

01:20:42.680 it, I agree with the

01:20:44.040 hymn writer on

01:20:44.700 everything that they

01:20:45.420 believe.

01:20:45.900 Oh, it's the death of

01:20:46.600 the author now, is it?

01:20:47.600 This is post-modernism.

01:20:49.020 Yeah, I see it.

01:20:49.640 Yeah, I see it.

01:20:52.300 So if Cromwell

01:20:53.180 wouldn't approve, I

01:20:53.840 don't approve.

01:20:55.600 Anyway.

01:20:56.700 Christmas is out.

01:20:57.820 Well, I mean, it'd be

01:21:00.060 cheaper.

01:21:01.320 Buona Joe says,

01:21:02.280 as a Yank, I don't

01:21:03.140 understand why

01:21:03.640 everyone thinks

01:21:04.080 reform will save

01:21:05.080 England.

01:21:06.140 Didn't they let a

01:21:06.800 leftist organisation

01:21:07.600 dictate who they

01:21:08.280 could run for office?

01:21:09.680 Yes.

01:21:10.200 So for anyone who's

01:21:10.900 not familiar, there's

01:21:11.760 a communist organisation

01:21:13.060 in Britain called

01:21:13.520 Hope Not Hate, and

01:21:14.920 they spend their time

01:21:15.920 looking into your

01:21:16.720 background, and if

01:21:17.740 you've ever said

01:21:18.220 something right-wing,

01:21:18.960 they make a public

01:21:20.320 spectacle of you, get

01:21:21.340 the media to write

01:21:22.060 articles shaming you,

01:21:23.360 and then Nigel

01:21:23.980 Farage kicks you out

01:21:24.820 of the party.

01:21:25.880 And yes, Nigel, the

01:21:27.560 reform party.

01:21:28.880 Yes, absolutely,

01:21:30.000 completely weak, and

01:21:30.880 they have kicked out, I

01:21:32.140 mean, they kicked out

01:21:32.740 Bo and Dan for exactly

01:21:34.700 this thing.

01:21:35.300 So yeah, like I said,

01:21:36.700 I'm not a fan of Nigel

01:21:37.580 Farage in the way he's

01:21:38.160 running his party.

01:21:38.760 But we do need change.

01:21:40.920 We need something that's

01:21:41.980 not more of the same.

01:21:43.680 So we've got to accept

01:21:45.720 it.

01:21:46.840 Chase says, men are

01:21:47.620 women, diversity is

01:21:48.400 strength, and strength

01:21:49.620 is weakness.

01:21:50.520 The woke mind virus

01:21:51.260 demonstrates a mirrored

01:21:52.300 dimension interpretation

01:21:53.140 of war is peace, freedom

01:21:54.180 is slavery, and

01:21:54.700 ignorance is strength.

01:21:56.040 That it does.

01:21:57.540 Arizona Desert Rat

01:21:58.380 says, if migrants are

01:21:59.340 paying for current

01:21:59.840 pensioners' pensions,

01:22:00.740 who's going to pay for

01:22:01.300 the migrant future

01:22:02.300 pensions?

01:22:03.140 Sounds like it just

01:22:03.680 kicks the can down

01:22:04.300 the road.

01:22:05.180 Well, have you ever

01:22:06.660 heard of a pyramid

01:22:07.180 scheme?

01:22:07.540 Yeah, you have put

01:22:09.820 your finger right on

01:22:10.960 the problem, in fact.

01:22:12.700 It also turns out that

01:22:13.780 migrants live in houses

01:22:15.740 and need health care,

01:22:17.280 and when they're exposed

01:22:18.840 to Western decadence,

01:22:19.940 tend not to have 27

01:22:21.040 children.

01:22:22.200 And so the entire thing

01:22:23.700 doesn't work, and it

01:22:25.040 was a big boondoggle to

01:22:26.260 start with.

01:22:27.300 Never mind.

01:22:30.100 Bradley says, Carl, the

01:22:31.280 way the birth

01:22:31.720 citizenship works in the

01:22:32.540 UK has changed since

01:22:33.880 Kemi was born.

01:22:34.980 She was born when you

01:22:36.120 could come at a time

01:22:37.180 where you could come

01:22:37.980 give birth and that

01:22:38.740 child is a citizen.

01:22:39.940 However, now the

01:22:40.620 immigrant needs to have

01:22:41.220 settled status.

01:22:42.080 Right, okay, that's

01:22:42.820 interesting.

01:22:43.840 I imagine this was

01:22:44.520 probably just one of

01:22:45.100 those rules we just

01:22:45.800 had because we didn't

01:22:46.660 know, because we

01:22:47.460 didn't know we didn't

01:22:48.700 want it.

01:22:49.760 That sounds like a

01:22:50.320 change that we should

01:22:51.780 celebrate then.

01:22:52.580 Yeah, it does.

01:22:53.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:54.280 And remove Kemi

01:22:55.160 Badenock's citizenship.

01:22:57.720 Retroactively uncivilized.

01:22:59.420 Angel Brain says, no, I'm

01:23:01.180 just joking, obviously.

01:23:02.300 Angel Brain says, I have

01:23:03.480 friends who are lifelong

01:23:04.180 Labour members, and now

01:23:05.060 they are handing in their

01:23:05.760 notice.

01:23:06.520 They're mostly angry that

01:23:07.420 Labour seem to be actively

01:23:08.320 aggressive against the

01:23:09.260 Indigenous Brits.

01:23:10.360 Even the Tories seem to

01:23:11.320 soft-pedal it.

01:23:12.040 Labour are the most openly

01:23:13.360 hostile towards the

01:23:14.080 working class.

01:23:15.140 That's so obviously true.

01:23:17.500 And there's just, I mean,

01:23:18.360 you know, for anyone who's

01:23:19.560 not familiar, it's just

01:23:21.460 palpable, and it's kind of

01:23:23.440 grim.

01:23:25.180 Tuomo says, Met Gala.

01:23:26.600 Met is the Finnish

01:23:27.320 acronym for nothing ever

01:23:28.540 happens.

01:23:29.160 Oh.

01:23:30.260 Okay.

01:23:31.860 Roman Observer says, the

01:23:32.980 gala is mad and the elites

01:23:34.040 are disconnected.

01:23:34.920 Also, the gala is very

01:23:35.960 Democrat and very

01:23:36.900 progressive.

01:23:37.780 No connection there.

01:23:39.020 Yeah, I can imagine there

01:23:40.060 aren't very many

01:23:40.600 Republicans in the Met

01:23:41.900 Gala.

01:23:42.440 No.

01:23:43.680 And if there were, they

01:23:44.900 would be like, why did

01:23:46.200 they invite?

01:23:48.580 It's basically

01:23:49.460 peacocking, isn't it?

01:23:50.500 It's the same thing that

01:23:51.700 animals do when they want

01:23:52.820 to gain attention.

01:23:53.960 And you can do it with

01:23:54.760 your clothes, or you can do

01:23:55.880 it with your political

01:23:56.440 beliefs.

01:23:57.100 Yeah.

01:23:57.380 Oh, here's an interesting

01:23:58.820 fact.

01:23:59.120 Arizona Desert Rat is a

01:24:00.420 woman, and she informs us

01:24:01.800 that women with nails like

01:24:03.260 this, the long, scratchy ones,

01:24:05.160 tend to type with a pen and

01:24:06.460 not their fingers.

01:24:07.060 I suppose you'd have to,

01:24:07.840 wouldn't you?

01:24:08.860 I hadn't even thought

01:24:10.120 about it.

01:24:10.300 That's very efficient.

01:24:10.840 Yeah.

01:24:11.180 Yeah, I mean, it's just a

01:24:12.960 bizarre thing.

01:24:13.880 I don't know, I can't.

01:24:15.060 There was a big trend, as I

01:24:17.200 understand it, in fashion of

01:24:18.740 witch aesthetic.

01:24:20.840 Women were explicitly

01:24:22.520 describing themselves as

01:24:23.820 being witches.

01:24:24.700 Oh, really?

01:24:25.020 Witchy, buying clothes that

01:24:26.200 were witchy.

01:24:26.700 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:27.320 And it really feels like a

01:24:29.720 deeply symbolic embracing of

01:24:31.860 an archetype.

01:24:33.520 Yes.

01:24:33.760 Even though it was being

01:24:34.600 done with a certain kind of

01:24:35.760 ironic, detached humour.

01:24:36.860 Yeah, but there's a feminist

01:24:38.240 inversion of morality here.

01:24:40.240 You saw it in, what was it,

01:24:41.860 the one with Angelina Jolie,

01:24:43.740 where she's the Wicked Witch.

01:24:44.740 Hmm.

01:24:45.380 What's that film?

01:24:46.340 Yes, I can picture her.

01:24:48.100 I know that.

01:24:48.840 I know the film.

01:24:49.580 No, Maleficent.

01:24:50.640 Maleficent, yeah.

01:24:51.280 Yeah, yeah.

01:24:51.780 Because she's the evil witch

01:24:52.820 in the Snow White story or

01:24:53.720 something like that, right?

01:24:54.540 And it's like, oh, actually,

01:24:55.900 she's really, you know,

01:24:56.820 misunderstood and really

01:24:58.100 she's the victim.

01:24:58.740 It's like, she's the evil

01:24:59.900 witch.

01:25:00.520 You know, I'm going to credit

01:25:02.200 women with agency.

01:25:03.880 That's essentially what they

01:25:04.760 do with Wicked.

01:25:05.840 Yes.

01:25:06.320 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:06.680 And Wicked too, yeah, yeah.

01:25:07.580 Maybe the evangelicals were

01:25:08.640 right about Harry Potter all

01:25:09.720 along.

01:25:10.840 Hey, man, I'm just saying,

01:25:12.240 if you use Cromwell as a

01:25:13.140 standard, you rarely go wrong.

01:25:14.240 The bad guy is just

01:25:16.880 misunderstood.

01:25:17.800 It's like Joker.

01:25:18.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:19.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:20.160 To be fair, the Joker was

01:25:21.020 pretty good, so give him

01:25:22.660 credit on that.

01:25:24.280 David says, being a man of

01:25:25.860 the people doesn't help when

01:25:26.860 the people are lame and gay

01:25:27.840 in reference to the Pope.

01:25:29.360 That's a fair point.

01:25:31.120 You know, actually, moral

01:25:32.580 leadership is important to

01:25:33.840 make sure the people aren't

01:25:34.600 lame and gay.

01:25:36.360 And I think he's completely

01:25:37.380 correct about that.

01:25:38.540 Oh, Pope Francis said the

01:25:39.760 Falkland Islands belong to

01:25:40.680 Argentina.

01:25:42.300 Well, case closed.

01:25:43.620 Yeah, exactly.

01:25:44.300 This will be less relevant

01:25:45.220 to you chaps, but trust us,

01:25:47.160 that's important.

01:25:48.080 Incorrect.

01:25:48.640 Yeah, it's very incorrect.

01:25:51.540 A guy from Hungary says,

01:25:52.440 the Bundestag needs to

01:25:53.380 enforce conclave protocols

01:25:54.760 to elect my next

01:25:55.380 chancellor.

01:25:56.180 No phones, no outside

01:25:57.360 contact, bread and water

01:25:58.740 only after day three.

01:26:00.320 My only hope is most left

01:26:01.420 liberals will not survive

01:26:02.260 day two.

01:26:05.160 South Dakota pastor says,

01:26:07.020 you've brought all the

01:26:07.820 Christians out this time,

01:26:08.660 haven't you?

01:26:08.860 There we go.

01:26:10.020 I'm a confessional

01:26:10.980 Lutheran.

01:26:12.740 What's the difference?

01:26:15.580 What's a confessional

01:26:16.540 Lutheran?

01:26:17.440 Confessions are the things

01:26:19.120 that you believe.

01:26:20.160 So if you're a confessional

01:26:21.280 Lutheran, it means that

01:26:22.320 you're a Lutheran who agrees

01:26:24.280 with the confessions.

01:26:26.040 What, the 95 Theses?

01:26:26.920 It's like signed up.

01:26:28.320 It's different from the 95

01:26:29.500 Theses, but it's derived

01:26:30.900 from Luther's teachings.

01:26:32.760 That's one of my favourite

01:26:33.780 Chad moments in all of

01:26:35.040 Christian history.

01:26:36.040 Yes.

01:26:36.640 But yeah, you know what?

01:26:37.380 I've had enough.

01:26:38.360 I've just had enough.

01:26:39.300 Well, as I understand it,

01:26:40.700 the church doorway acted

01:26:42.340 as this kind of bulletin

01:26:43.620 board, so it wasn't quite

01:26:45.660 as dramatic.

01:26:46.420 It was more like, oh, you

01:26:47.940 log in, there's a bunch

01:26:48.860 of posts.

01:26:49.680 Martin Luther's been up

01:26:50.720 all night and he's

01:26:51.480 like, spammed the chat

01:26:52.700 room.

01:26:52.960 Yeah.

01:26:57.840 But this is the point.

01:26:59.220 I just like the kind of

01:27:01.280 ballsiness of it.

01:27:01.960 It's just like, no, I'm

01:27:02.680 just sick of this.

01:27:03.300 I don't agree with any of

01:27:04.080 this crap.

01:27:04.960 And I'm in trouble now.

01:27:05.860 Well, this is one of the

01:27:07.820 deep decisions that you

01:27:10.940 have to make when you're

01:27:11.680 thinking about denominations

01:27:12.740 because the argument from

01:27:14.440 the Catholics is that as

01:27:16.580 soon as you start

01:27:17.200 fracturing, it's endless.

01:27:18.620 And they will point at

01:27:19.200 the Protestants and say,

01:27:20.120 there's an infinite number

01:27:21.260 of, and you've got no

01:27:22.400 quality control.

01:27:23.840 Any church can just decide

01:27:25.440 to become its own

01:27:26.000 congregation and preach

01:27:27.220 whatever it likes, which

01:27:28.040 is a very good argument.

01:27:29.320 On the other hand, when

01:27:30.680 there are genuine problems

01:27:32.540 problems in the original

01:27:34.200 organization, sometimes it

01:27:35.640 is the right thing to

01:27:36.780 splinter off.

01:27:38.100 So if you're a based

01:27:40.980 Catholic and your view is

01:27:43.420 it doesn't matter what the

01:27:45.040 Pope says, I'm going to

01:27:46.120 stick with Rome, you've got

01:27:48.060 the same exact problem in

01:27:49.620 reverse.

01:27:50.240 Hope just validated Islam.

01:27:52.160 Now what?

01:27:53.300 Like, I just...

01:27:54.420 But if you look in the

01:27:55.160 Bible, like, the history of

01:27:57.840 ancient Israel, right, which

01:27:59.700 was God's people, is just

01:28:00.980 a series of evil, terrible

01:28:02.980 people, and the, like, the

01:28:04.820 nation themselves keep

01:28:05.860 going off the rails.

01:28:07.180 And yet, God's will was

01:28:09.680 done nonetheless.

01:28:11.080 So I think as Christians,

01:28:12.840 we should not be surprised

01:28:14.820 when Christian organizations

01:28:16.780 are full of people who are

01:28:18.580 doing the wrong thing.

01:28:21.180 The nation of Israel was

01:28:22.000 evil and terrible people,

01:28:23.020 Luke Avery, 2025.

01:28:24.640 Well, as described in the

01:28:27.820 Old Testament, I am a, you

01:28:29.300 know, you are a stiff-necked

01:28:30.280 people, blah, blah, blah.

01:28:31.820 It's one of the things I

01:28:33.000 think is very admirable about

01:28:35.400 the Old Testament is it's

01:28:37.780 very different from a lot of

01:28:38.760 other ancient literature in

01:28:40.320 that most of it valorizes the

01:28:41.780 people from which it was

01:28:42.820 written, whereas the Old

01:28:44.680 Testament is almost unique in

01:28:46.200 the fact that it goes on about

01:28:47.180 how terrible the people

01:28:48.760 believe it are.

01:28:48.960 Well, you know, it's

01:28:50.220 actually in the same

01:28:52.060 tradition as Middle Eastern

01:28:53.540 lawmaking.

01:28:54.400 Okay.

01:28:54.880 Because actually, if you go

01:28:55.920 back to, like, Hammurabi or

01:28:57.040 something, he's got a preface

01:28:58.080 at the beginning of his

01:28:58.900 laws, which is just, I was

01:29:00.800 empowered by Marduk to bring

01:29:02.140 justice to this sinful land.

01:29:03.740 Everyone's a sinner and

01:29:04.420 they're all terrible.

01:29:05.240 And so it's actually completely

01:29:06.460 in keeping with the

01:29:07.740 tradition.

01:29:08.300 Ancient Near Eastern

01:29:09.040 people were kind of humble.

01:29:10.740 All lawgivers are just like,

01:29:12.140 you know, the laws of

01:29:14.100 Ur-Nasu, it's just like,

01:29:15.420 God, this is a corrupt land,

01:29:16.360 I need to fix this.

01:29:18.080 And whereas in the sort of,

01:29:20.060 especially in the

01:29:20.820 Northwestern Europe, it's

01:29:22.200 always just like, we're

01:29:22.800 pretty good, actually, and

01:29:23.740 we're happy.

01:29:24.360 Yes, the gods descended on

01:29:26.180 the most virtuous people

01:29:27.400 and gave them special

01:29:28.300 powers.

01:29:29.020 That's us.

01:29:29.660 I mean, that's literally

01:29:30.780 what, like, they thought

01:29:32.180 when they were kings.

01:29:32.940 So, you know, I've been

01:29:33.620 king, therefore the gods

01:29:34.520 must think I'm brilliant.

01:29:36.000 Therefore, I'm right.

01:29:37.200 But anyway, South Dakota

01:29:38.640 passed.

01:29:38.980 Sorry, I missed your

01:29:39.480 comment there.

01:29:40.100 I'm a confessional

01:29:40.980 Lutheran, and I pray that

01:29:42.800 the next bishop of Rome

01:29:43.720 will be one who presents

01:29:44.640 the whole counsel of God,

01:29:45.620 the law and the gospel.

01:29:46.780 I pray that you'll be

01:29:47.340 willing to engage in

01:29:48.120 serious dialogue with

01:29:48.840 Orthodox patriarchs and the

01:29:50.260 Lutheran church to mend

01:29:51.600 the schism.

01:29:52.460 Is that likely to come?

01:29:53.380 No, I, realistically, the

01:29:56.080 schism isn't getting

01:29:56.820 mended, but I agree with

01:29:59.260 the sentiment that it is

01:30:00.800 good to show solidarity

01:30:02.740 with our Christian

01:30:03.680 brothers around the

01:30:04.960 world, whilst having

01:30:06.240 honest conversations

01:30:07.460 about our, you know,

01:30:08.800 the differences in

01:30:09.680 theology are important,

01:30:11.080 and we shouldn't just

01:30:12.060 bury them.

01:30:12.820 They're not very

01:30:13.320 important to me.

01:30:14.960 Well.

01:30:15.280 What's more important

01:30:15.920 is the difference.

01:30:16.780 I mean, the difference in

01:30:17.560 Christian theology seemed

01:30:18.440 very narrow.

01:30:19.080 Yeah.

01:30:19.520 Compared to the Pope

01:30:20.220 being like, yeah, Islam's

01:30:21.100 just as valid.

01:30:21.560 I mean, come on.

01:30:25.500 What you say is largely

01:30:26.860 true, although I think

01:30:28.580 your interest in

01:30:29.500 Christianity tends to be

01:30:30.900 the effect that it's

01:30:32.100 having in this world.

01:30:33.680 Sure.

01:30:34.180 Whereas, and we've had

01:30:35.380 this conversation a lot.

01:30:35.980 We have, yeah, of course.

01:30:36.740 In my opinion, all of the

01:30:39.260 social differences that

01:30:40.520 churches make pale into

01:30:41.980 insignificance in comparison

01:30:43.800 with everybody's eternal

01:30:45.460 future.

01:30:46.480 And that's, I mean, that is

01:30:47.840 why all these wars have

01:30:49.960 happened.

01:30:50.220 People have been called

01:30:50.720 heretics and burned

01:30:51.640 because people are worried

01:30:52.940 about the eternal security

01:30:54.240 of people's souls.

01:30:56.380 Well, and last comment from

01:30:57.560 Roman Observer, quote,

01:30:58.800 stop being an imperialist.

01:30:59.920 Well, that's Protestantism

01:31:00.920 destroyed, then.

01:31:02.120 Yeah.

01:31:03.580 Fine, we'll end it there.

01:31:04.440 Right, Luke, where can people

01:31:05.580 go to find more of you?

01:31:06.440 I want to, again, point

01:31:08.420 people towards my weekend

01:31:10.700 retreat that's coming up

01:31:11.740 on the 11th to the 13th of

01:31:13.000 July.

01:31:13.780 And the way you find out

01:31:14.740 more information about that

01:31:15.660 is by emailing me

01:31:16.800 lambda.retreats at

01:31:18.800 gmail.com.

01:31:20.080 Can they at you at

01:31:20.880 IamLambda?

01:31:21.640 Oh, yeah.

01:31:22.220 I mean, I have a Twitter

01:31:23.420 account.

01:31:23.960 You'll get the odd Bible

01:31:25.180 verse tweeted out, the

01:31:26.360 very rare topical reply.

01:31:29.320 But, yeah, why not?

01:31:30.240 You were present for that.

01:31:32.000 Oh, yeah, I was.

01:31:32.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:31:33.140 I was smashing a box

01:31:37.000 to get into it.

01:31:39.240 And, Adam, where can people

01:31:40.560 go to find you?

01:31:41.640 I'm active on Twitter

01:31:42.760 at wrong underscore speak.

01:31:44.500 I have a sub stack,

01:31:45.720 adambcoleman.substack.com.

01:31:47.980 And I have a new book,

01:31:49.700 The Children We Left Behind.

01:31:51.880 That actually seems like

01:31:52.620 a really worthy subject

01:31:53.640 to talk about.

01:31:54.200 Absolutely.

01:31:55.900 So, yeah, people can buy

01:31:57.080 the book.

01:31:57.800 The audio book is out.

01:31:58.700 I think the only place

01:31:59.860 is Audible.

01:32:00.540 It might take another week

01:32:01.380 or so before it's an Audible.

01:32:02.840 But the book is available

01:32:04.360 at all retailers.

01:32:06.280 Great.

01:32:06.520 Well, thanks so much

01:32:07.160 for coming on, gentlemen.

01:32:08.040 Thank you.

01:32:08.400 Thank you for joining us, folks.

01:32:09.380 And we'll see you tomorrow.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 06, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1158

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