The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1159

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to podcast of the lotus eaters episode 11 uh 1159 with myself

00:00:13.800 lewis bracknell hello steven wolf hi there how are you doing not done a segment with you before

00:00:18.940 steven so excited to be joined by you yeah and on the short straw yeah not at all not at all

00:00:24.640 and and and lewis for the 20th week in a row i'm in awe of your beard oh thank you very much

00:00:29.820 being here i appreciate it's still a work in progress it's pretty impressive and i should

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00:01:49.680 influenced yes nobody's chosen to done it so we have to strike oh yes and i should talk about what

00:01:55.500 we're going to be talking about so uh we're going to be talking about the um indian pakistan war

00:02:01.860 uh and please take nothing from the fact that we're all here in green jackets that was accidental we

00:02:06.200 we are not coming out necessarily on the side of pakistan um the the conservative deportation plan

00:02:11.920 absolutely yep we're looking at how they are fighting back against reform and labor right okay

00:02:18.380 that's that's the conservatives well the the conservatives have promised deportation well

00:02:22.580 and sort of lower immigration for every election in my lifetime i think 150 years now probably yeah

00:02:28.100 i'm not doing it um so maybe maybe this time they mean it maybe yeah we look forward to hearing and

00:02:33.800 you're going to tell us a bit about um grooming games yes the latest figures uh 2009 to 2024

00:02:39.780 from west yorkshire police so that should be uh well it's depressing but very important right okay

00:02:45.380 well we get to all of that so let's start with um the indian pakistan war something has happened

00:02:51.620 um so this is an ongoing situation um i i refer you here to um the bbc news uh which i don't often

00:02:59.300 like to go to but i mean they they they actually have people out there and um lotus eaters news does

00:03:03.960 not unfortunately have anyone on the ground um so we've got a sort of live summary of events i'll just

00:03:08.920 i'll just talk you through the top points here so tensions escalate after india launched missile

00:03:14.320 strikes in pakistan uh and pakistan administered kashmir um pakistan say six locations were attacked

00:03:21.540 and claims to have shot down five indian jets it's a lot that's actually a lot well i kind of take that

00:03:30.800 one with a grain of that's kind of big news if that's true huge if they've actually shot down five

00:03:36.540 indian jets i did have a look on um indian news sites and they're disputing this yeah of course

00:03:42.060 they would do right yes yeah yeah i i wonder why pakistan is making that claim but um okay maybe

00:03:49.560 maybe more well and they're not cheap these fighters no i know not cheap no not at all so

00:03:54.820 again black rock are doing very well with their investment oh yes true military areas with the

00:03:59.820 number of wars going yes for the whatever for the 50th year in a row by defense stocks yeah they always

00:04:05.640 seem to do well some somehow soros is there somewhere probably yeah looking um pakistan is saying 26 people

00:04:12.940 have been killed and 46 injured by airstrikes um you know blah blah blah and um various other bits that

00:04:19.320 come in so um you know as you can imagine with with claims of planes being taken down this is a highly

00:04:25.520 um fraught airspace um this is becoming a very dangerous region of the world so planes are being

00:04:31.760 um redirected on mass um out of this area because it is so dangerous um with the exception of um ethiopians 0.56

00:04:39.100 airline um one of their flights uh they've just decided sod it no we we're going straight through

00:04:46.300 presumably that's captain leroy jenkins there um maybe roy yeah yeah yeah yeah i remember that

00:04:52.760 maybe ethiopian airlines don't pay overtime or something whatever it is he he's not he's not

00:04:58.460 slowing down he's going straight through so um he's not going to the airport that the mp suggested that

00:05:03.820 they should have i think he's going to beijing that particular oh that one's going to oh there is um

00:05:08.680 yeah uh yeah pk uh pk so uh yeah so so so he's he's in a hurry good for him um and mudad who we

00:05:16.860 had on the show a few days ago interestingly his take um when we discussed this before this sort of

00:05:22.880 current round of escalations his point was that um the most likely outcome was some sort of limited

00:05:29.140 skirmish because both sides will want to be able to say that they've done something of course so it's

00:05:34.380 probably going to be a bit of back and forwards few airstrikes few artillery you know barrages and

00:05:39.720 then it will probably settle down that that was his take um but it's not impossible it does escalate

00:05:44.500 further and we just remind ourselves they both do have nuclear weapons so yes um could be slightly

00:05:50.320 unfortunate but here he was just making the point that um if it is true that five indian jets are being

00:05:55.540 uh brought down um hugely embarrassing um kind of the cream of the crop of um um well indian society 1.00

00:06:03.160 would would go into a role like that yeah i gotta i gotta think about when i was last in india i i

00:06:09.940 actually stayed in bombay and i was lucky enough to stay in the really fancy hotels there nothing to

00:06:15.940 do with me and another story of how i managed to get in there perhaps over the whiskey when it arrives

00:06:20.440 but i remember going down into to the bar and they had like a cocktail bar like i've never seen not

00:06:27.980 even in london it was just like so flash and it was filled with the kind of young uply mobile indian 1.00

00:06:34.960 elite paying something like 60 quid for like a gin and tonic and and these people were dripping with

00:06:40.340 money dripping with wealth but the one thing about them is that it's very clear they that they other

00:06:45.280 than the kind of muslim wealth that's there with them they hate pakistan and if anyone challenged their 0.99

00:06:52.000 authority to be in control of the region they were absolutely vehement that we will try and take out

00:06:57.280 any leader that wasn't going to stand up for indian interests economically or military now that that

00:07:04.160 was over well over a decade ago and i can imagine that you've got muddy who's come in with this big

00:07:10.360 muscular strength of india saying that we will make sure that we're seen as the top dog in the region

00:07:16.660 we will fight back he builds himself as a as a hindu nationalist doesn't that's right he's very

00:07:21.100 much playing into that sort of he plays into it he's got the votes but he's also got the elites the

00:07:26.360 money people and those who are benefiting on the back of him those who will benefit off the back of the

00:07:31.220 free trade arrangement for example they're no different to the sort of people that behind the

00:07:36.020 chinese behind any political leader we might even say putin in that in that sense they have the

00:07:41.220 democracies but they're the real power behind it oh yeah losing five here is an embarrassment to

00:07:46.040 them yeah it will have to really tread carefully about how he has a limited uh situation or a mini

00:07:53.020 conflict with unless he's going to lose the appeal of those people well yes and and you can see how

00:07:58.500 something that might they might intend to go in with a you know a limited series of border strikes it

00:08:03.500 could escalate in if if if one side feels embarrassed or they feel they haven't acquitted themselves well

00:08:08.280 enough uh we've got here a map of the of the region um so there we go we got on the right hand side

00:08:15.240 indian uh controlled cashmere on the left side pakistan controlled cashmere we've got the line

00:08:20.200 of control in red running down the middle and as you can see india has hit those um or is claiming

00:08:25.120 to have hit those sites there we do have um some evidence of that um in fact samson i'll let you do

00:08:34.060 this one because i'll mess it up but can you make that video go full screen and play that for us

00:08:38.600 so this is supposed to be a strike from last night

00:08:42.120 there's a couple of strikes because you can see that one was already on fire before that second one

00:08:59.520 came in um yeah and whatever is seven seven different areas they're they're claiming to have

00:09:05.640 struck um here we got ap news now they're running a sort of live blog on this as well um as you can

00:09:12.800 see you know standard stuff is coming in you know china um britain you know they're they're urging

00:09:18.360 de-escalation and they're both saying you know they're prepared to help um uh help on both sides

00:09:24.140 um but there was one bit that i wanted to put out of here which was the bit about the plane

00:09:30.560 let's see if i can find that they keep adding stuff to this

00:09:33.780 so that where is it here we go so this is the evidence so far provided that planes have been downed

00:09:43.260 now that is apparently wreckage from a indian jet i mean like maybe people in the comments who know

00:09:50.820 more about this than me can tell me that it actually is proof of an indian jet but it's

00:09:54.700 certainly not proof of five indian jets so um yes we will we will wait to see we're going up and

00:10:00.500 you've just passed something about russia uh on on this on the ap on the right hand side yes i wonder

00:10:06.380 what they said so they're calling what they're doing what everybody else is doing which is calling

00:10:10.260 for de-escalation and peaceful solutions it's fascinating because russia and india do have

00:10:14.700 a very close tie goes way back to the communist period and the post-communist period where

00:10:20.500 um india were really supported during this period between cashmere by the russians as it was

00:10:27.000 and they were given a huge amount of globals the globe was opposing india's expansion into this area

00:10:34.960 only people that backed india were russia and that is why we've seen the indians supporting russia

00:10:40.980 through the whole sanctions period so i was interested to see how they're dealing with

00:10:44.960 this because they've spent some time trying to build friendly relationships with pakistan as well

00:10:50.720 yeah now they've also got to walk in a fine line i mean it exposes the tensions within bricks of course

00:10:57.240 um because you've got you know you got well obviously um um brazil russia india china within that sort of

00:11:03.080 that first cohort china will back pakistan russia will back india yep um and it's pulling at the seams at

00:11:10.520 that and naturally those countries shouldn't come together but the last administration joe biden sort

00:11:16.900 of did everything in their power to sort of push them together which was perhaps a dangerous thing

00:11:20.860 and yeah with the absence of that pressure that that u.s pressure perhaps that perhaps they will

00:11:25.780 start to fracture again i don't know it's possible because one of the key points of trump is he wants

00:11:29.860 to pull india away from china and in doing so it's potentially that it can pull away from russia

00:11:35.200 but there is such a level of as i say both intellectually in in india to keep support

00:11:41.180 with russia that's why they've been backing it that they've opposed this they may pull away from

00:11:45.160 china quite happy to see that as a competitive element for them gain some ground economically

00:11:49.020 so this once again is part of the mass geopolitical change that i'm seeing being fought globally in

00:11:56.640 different regions of the world at the moment yeah quite so um what i wanted to do the main thing i

00:12:01.760 wanted to do in this segment however is focus on where some of the key battlegrounds that we need

00:12:06.500 to focus on so again here we've got um india down here on the right we've got um pakistan on the left

00:12:12.800 and then we've got the disputed region of cashmere up here both india and pakistan lay claim to cashmere

00:12:19.080 in its entirety and i think you can see the loan of line of control along there so the first um

00:12:24.380 major clash area that i wanted to focus on is uh i might need to i might need to scroll along a bit

00:12:32.640 um ah yes to here we go birmingham yes yes yes that was the first one i wanted to talk about um yeah

00:12:41.520 yeah and and actually i've got a i've got a table here where i've sort of put together some

00:12:46.000 sort of facts and figures on on these so i've got um the city um birmingham uh is now minority

00:12:54.340 white british uh white british only make up 48.7 percent of it uh it's 6.1 percent indian and it is

00:13:01.920 17 percent pakistani so um you know we can expect some uh clashes here there's already been clashes over

00:13:09.740 um um cashmere and various educational disputes i mean that one was more sort of focused around

00:13:15.860 lgbtq stuff but the um the indians tended to to opt for the side of um the british government on that

00:13:23.020 one and the pakistanis of course went the other way um so um that is that is one potential flashpoint 0.99

00:13:29.360 um while we're talking about um birmingham uh as as we can see you know it's it's it's got a large

00:13:36.620 and growing pakistanian and indian um population there and i just want to play this video i don't i don't

00:13:43.360 think we need sound on it but um there we go i don't know if you can so this this is birmingham

00:13:49.340 um i don't know if you can see that um you know some of the um culture and uh sort of flavor of

00:13:56.900 of an indian or pakistani city is starting to emerge in the area um perhaps perhaps we can go on

00:14:02.820 it's interesting because the first thing i thought of when i saw the news about india and pakistan and

00:14:08.920 how you know with jets and you know being bombed the first thing i thought of was

00:14:14.700 the concern or the of the risk of it spilling over into the streets of england and that's the first

00:14:21.520 thing i thought yeah but i mean look at this going going through birmingham um going past a mosque you

00:14:26.720 know multiple women there in their um in their headscarves um is i mean this is very much now a

00:14:33.880 sort of monsoon region town yeah it's interesting it's pretty much like where i grew up um long

00:14:41.420 long site levinjum all the road that goes in from stockport into manchester

00:14:45.840 was predominantly an irish area now you would definitely say it's more pakistan perhaps a

00:14:51.360 little bit of bangladesh in there as well but the market my mother used to work on selling shoes

00:14:56.960 is now totally dominated by that that culture and the people from that that region and so i i see 0.69

00:15:05.240 that and even when i was going through fullham for meetings recently i was quite surprised how

00:15:09.680 that too had changed so dramatically not going up towards fullham train station where it's beginning

00:15:15.420 in mass pockets obviously if you're a northerner like myself you've clearly seen it in in bradford

00:15:21.160 you've clearly seen it in burnley you've clearly seen it in oldham where you get these divisions and it's

00:15:26.380 very i think it's very poignant in what you're saying about where the clashes could occur yeah on

00:15:31.120 this because they they do clash even at universities they clash it wasn't so long ago in leicester i

00:15:37.520 believe they had a there was a big clash between the two i'm not sure if it was over well funny you

00:15:42.720 mentioned that the the next big area that i wanted to focus on was was indeed leicester let's go back to

00:15:48.880 our our table here so leicester yeah post-cricutely only 40 percent white british now um huge indian

00:15:55.040 population this one this one is kind of reverse so 22 indian um just coming on three percent

00:16:01.140 pakistani um and there were significant clashes in 2022 but a whole number of other ones i remember

00:16:06.940 well um i think i've think i've got some videos of yeah this was violent yes very bad um let's play

00:16:14.640 the first um you know 30 seconds or so of this with the sound on please samson

00:16:18.500 sectarian violence on the streets of leicester it was the weekend of the queen's funeral and with

00:16:30.420 many officers deployed to london those left struggle to hold back the aggressors

00:16:35.500 it had started on saturday when a group of mainly hindu men marched two and a half miles to the east

00:16:46.400 of the city which is predominantly muslim come on you've got a weapon in his hand and you're allowing 1.00

00:16:51.000 it man's got a weapon and you're allowing it i've been uh provoking the muslim let's let's kill the 1.00

00:16:56.180 sound on that one we can leave it playing in the background um but yeah so what appears to have 0.96

00:17:01.240 happened in this one uh well with the way it's framed is that it was a violent confrontation

00:17:05.860 over a cricket match i don't believe that the cricket match may have been the trigger

00:17:09.860 but clearly there are um just a provocative sectarian sort of clash really over maybe it could

00:17:17.060 be religious related or some some sort of ethnic conflict i mean it seems that way anyway if they're

00:17:25.020 traveling that amount of miles to go specifically to that town so this this was the thing

00:17:31.220 perhaps steven you can you can tell us um being from the north but my understanding is is that

00:17:35.540 these sort of flashpoint cities they tend to um segregate quite heavily they tend to have areas

00:17:41.260 an area which is known as being a pakistani area areas it's known as an indian area yeah you don't

00:17:46.780 really see to have a blend in between them at all you look at oldham it's one side white one side

00:17:51.060 you know it's pakistani and it's very clear you know which area you're going into and right and also

00:17:57.640 that's why you've looked at your your map of cities where you see predominance of one uh nationality

00:18:04.200 one city compared to another because they all go towards where they feel more comfortable and safe

00:18:10.040 and secure but also one of the elements about it is economic they know that they can get their

00:18:15.460 businesses by uh renting our houses so you get your property developers in that sector who rent out

00:18:21.680 the houses to their own communities the shops that get their own communities then they've built up a

00:18:25.960 political power because they've got councillors that then can take a role in that particular

00:18:31.640 council to get money for their area rather than another area and that's what you've been seeing

00:18:36.940 for a long time obviously in the bigger muslim cities now they're saying we're going to vote for

00:18:40.880 our own political parties that's not yet happened with the indian communities but generally what we see

00:18:46.500 here is that will be a trigger point by something else it might have been for example if you listen on the

00:18:52.220 ground i never didn't i do a bit more research on that you might find the reasons for it but often

00:18:57.300 they're connected to some incident between youths of each community it might have been a girl that's

00:19:03.100 been kind of uh overly touched by another member of another community that's a safe bet in some of

00:19:08.440 these yeah it might have been an argument in in a shop that but as long as it's one of those guys

00:19:12.900 from those areas and don't forget also we tend to think that the other nasty elements of our society

00:19:18.820 drugs is not involved in this drugs is also involved they want their share of the market

00:19:24.220 to the white communities that they're selling it out to yeah i mean um leicester has a whole bunch of

00:19:30.760 you know conflicts um you know this is this is again just one of many from um you know end of last year

00:19:36.660 i've noticed forgive me i've noticed never wearing riot gear you notice that oh good point i've never i've

00:19:45.700 i've just noticed that every single one they never wear white riot gear but then i've been but

00:19:51.240 then i've been to i've covered stuff like the south port um riots um gone to uh some uh uh pro

00:19:59.760 well i attended a bunch of protests for the covid stuff yeah and they were they were all in right

00:20:04.400 yeah batons ready drawn that's interesting why is it when it's a predominantly white british protest

00:20:10.880 are they in full riot gear and when it's something else they're um they're not i don't know there must

00:20:16.700 be a uh an internal report maybe to uh to i'm just suggesting this i don't know this for a fact

00:20:22.800 um you know so that it's not appeared to be threatening towards that social the one thing i

00:20:28.420 noticed from this particular video is is on one side you've got um you know a bunch of people waving

00:20:33.320 palestinian flags um and they're basically left unmolested then some guy turns up with an english flag

00:20:39.220 um and he is and he is promptly arrested yes for whatever reason for whatever reason that is

00:20:46.240 but you know leicester um yeah so the we referred to it the what is described as the cricket um riot

00:20:52.940 which is obviously it obviously goes much deeper than that it's because you've got two incompatible

00:20:57.040 communities living within close area to each other but the cricket match as i understand was the uh

00:21:02.000 the trigger point because a large group of indians after their win uh basically marched through a

00:21:07.220 pakistani bit and then you know the pakistanis responded with knives and broken bottles and all 0.99

00:21:13.220 the rest of it and and and the rioting uh commenced and the police who who typically like to avoid this

00:21:19.260 sort of situation um actually had to make 47 arrests in that i must have hurt them yeah yes community

00:21:26.180 relation yeah there we go there's the guy with the english flag being um led away um you noticed all the

00:21:31.440 um palestinian flags are being left unmolested for whatever reason and and i take your point about

00:21:36.680 lack of riot gear as well every time seems to be uh you know it seems to be that the the riot gear is

00:21:43.520 used for the anti-lockdown like you mentioned yeah uh southport and not just southport but all the

00:21:49.220 protests that erupted from that particular uh happening just seem to have noticed that um and the um

00:21:57.360 next um major clash point between um india and pakistan i'd like to point out i think is

00:22:04.560 here we go bradford bradford yes there we go bradford um what are they on my table so bradford

00:22:10.860 um my goodness bradford is still majority white british uh only 55 though um and this one is again

00:22:17.920 back the other way it's uh 2.6 indian and um 26 pakistani and they've already had um cashmere

00:22:26.760 protests um i understand a patrick can confirm this is true that people in the north refer to

00:22:31.520 bradford as as bradistan i think um yeah some certainly do oh the nice people remember it was

00:22:38.460 called bradford right almost with a t in the old colloquial ways but there is an element when you

00:22:44.360 go up to bradford where you particularly know that you're not in england anymore and you're not

00:22:49.160 really in britain whatsoever so i i think that is a very uh poignant area i remember looking at some

00:22:54.980 of the stats on immigration and population of bradford that's going into my um the center for

00:23:00.540 migrations population graph that we're building across the country and where we think that we'll

00:23:05.880 see uh britain turning into either a a non-uk uh non-white british uh kind of country and in which

00:23:13.300 areas we will be dominant islam yep and bradford is going to be at the core of that between right 0.91

00:23:18.540 that's interesting i mean birmingham and leicester have already flipped as majority um non-non-white

00:23:23.980 in terms of the religious side of things yeah you see a growing and what's interesting about that

00:23:27.940 they're saying town city i'm not sure whether that figure is actually uh they try to broaden it out by

00:23:33.300 taking the wider community of metropolitan bradford and that's the problem it's actually when you start

00:23:39.460 taking in particular regions or bring it down into lower the kind of city as a whole those numbers

00:23:44.260 do explode a lot a lot larger than what you're seeing now yes yes um bradford has hosted a you

00:23:51.360 know a whole bunch of riots i mean i've got a list here 1995 bradford riots 2001 um cashmere process in

00:23:57.280 2019 and and this is an area that could very likely flare up in the coming days um just for balance i also

00:24:04.660 thought wouldn't it be interesting to um look for cities um because if if if we've got cities in

00:24:12.740 britain which are you know 25 pakistani 25 indian um how many um cities outside of britain are you know

00:24:21.320 that sort of percentage british i didn't find any the closest closest i could get is um benedorm

00:24:30.660 ah okay benedorm in spain that is apparently 17 british 17 right so so we do set up the occasional

00:24:37.800 colony gibraltar that doesn't count does it no no that's that's that's probably i wonder if we'll

00:24:42.600 get really upset over the battles between scotland and ourselves over there yes we'll set up a colony

00:24:49.060 because we've been lost we lose football to the spanish yes i can't see all the benedoreans i don't

00:24:54.500 coming out there with flags trying to smash up the local windows and shops because we've lost a

00:24:58.980 football match yes no it seems unlikely to happen i also thought i'd take a look and see um you know

00:25:04.280 if are there any um towns or cities in pakistan which are becoming um you know majority white british

00:25:11.480 um couldn't find any no couldn't find any um apparently miripour is now one percent british

00:25:19.500 um a city of um one thousand uh no 120 000 uh but the reason it's one percent british is because

00:25:26.740 that's where a lot of the pakistanis who've gained british citizenship go back to ah so so

00:25:32.040 so miripour is now one percent british okay um islamabad if if i narrow it down to white british

00:25:37.880 islamabad is is less than 0.01 percent uh white british because uh what about across the rest of

00:25:44.420 europe is there an area where you would say that there is pakistan versus india and anywhere in europe i

00:25:49.960 can't think of region i didn't i didn't i didn't check outside of the uk i just sort of because they have

00:25:54.560 bigger differences you mean you get algeria is massive in in france and and you know big communities

00:26:01.580 of turkish in germany but i don't really see that same sort of clash in the rest of europe either do

00:26:08.480 you yeah i don't i don't know how many other european cities have decided to basically host

00:26:12.240 that this particular war by taking both communities and lumping them to the where i do recognize is in

00:26:17.980 lots of conversations i had in turkey is the way that they're now clashing with syria and where the

00:26:23.260 syrian refugees have gone into germany those communities are beginning to like kind of attack 0.98

00:26:28.240 each other and start similar sorts of things based on ethnic divisions in their own countries

00:26:33.100 it does seem to be the way they work if there's going to be a major conflict somewhere we want to

00:26:36.660 host it a local version of it here as well um you know the uk government is saying it's supporting

00:26:41.780 both sides but of course it has to because it's got both sides in in the cities of england am i

00:26:48.920 correct in saying that we supply both countries with foreign aid oh most likely i'd be i'll be

00:26:54.160 shocked i'll be surprised if we don't because i think because i think we've basically we've helped

00:26:58.540 india with their space program essentially with our foreign uh foreign aid and and pakistan as well i

00:27:04.960 believe we have yeah so interesting um the other option of this is it is perhaps quite possible that

00:27:10.800 we're going to see another influx of refugees because of course we've got um you know many uh many

00:27:17.940 many thousands of um indian and pakistani students in this country um who can now claim uh refugee

00:27:24.720 because their home is um at war yes well that can work for a while i mean i've late stats we've got

00:27:32.060 is looking at the asylum applications that have come across since 2000 we've got about 1.25

00:27:38.820 million that have applied for asylum uh top of the tree on that is uh afghanistan then you've got

00:27:47.220 iran iraq somalia but india has been growing as a number anyway on asylum generally i'll touch on

00:27:52.980 that very briefly i think so i uh we don't know who's going to win in the indian pakistan war uh but

00:27:58.760 we do know that britain is going to lose yes right yes with that i guess we better move on to um

00:28:04.900 conservative deportation plan right i need a little little thing on here where we're going

00:28:09.880 and i'll take these off because these are any near sight glasses right we've got here i think

00:28:15.980 this is my first one isn't it so the conservatives uh are fighting back fighting back on immigration

00:28:22.640 against reform and they're fighting back against immigration on labor and so last night i was sent

00:28:28.900 embargoed uh deportation uh bill and what's funny is obviously normally you have a bill when you're in

00:28:37.020 government yes there you are well i mean think of immigration let's do a bill but no they're going

00:28:42.940 to put a deportation bill which is not their bill in parliament now and they released it last night

00:28:49.400 embargo till 10 o'clock can't help but think that any point in the last 14 years when they were in

00:28:54.220 government would have been the opportune time to put this forward no rather than just after they

00:28:58.720 they'd left go yeah god don't apply logic to the application going going but you know it is

00:29:06.520 fascinating they've come out they recognize um how uh badly they've done in last week's election

00:29:13.360 with reform they can see that they're now in fourth and fifth place in in several parts of the

00:29:18.560 country this is really beginning to worry uh even the lefties within the uh conservative party

00:29:25.460 or rather the liberal democrats whatever we well you say even the lefties in the conservative

00:29:29.880 parties as if there is any other type of concern no i will say i have met several who actually are

00:29:36.120 generally on our side of the the line you know some have been converted to our line over time when

00:29:40.780 they started off i mean liz truss was really she was leader of the lib dems in issues in oxford and

00:29:46.320 now i wouldn't dare say that she just doesn't believe what we're doing i like suela braveman

00:29:50.900 definitely believes in what we're doing and i think to be fair to robert who about a couple of

00:29:56.120 times i was very very doubtful about him and i think he's sort of having some sort of damascene

00:30:01.000 conversion because there are those within the conservative party recognize that they've been

00:30:05.760 wrecked since the end of the 70s the destruction of getting rid of thatcher and the ideology that 0.99

00:30:12.100 allowed the heseltines to and that growth of the eu supporting side to come through

00:30:18.120 emphasized by cameron who then flooded the kind of process of conservative mps with people like

00:30:25.420 caroline noakes who were perfectly happy being in the green party you know quite frankly or the

00:30:30.200 labor or any party there she could be getting power it's definitely not a conservative and so this is

00:30:35.460 where they are with a smaller bunch of conservatives in there looking over at the lib dems on one side

00:30:41.780 and reform on the other and this is a moment where the conservatives recognize this is the possible

00:30:48.480 death knell of them 200 years of history so they've got to come out fighting well they've managed to carve

00:30:53.440 out a space which is you know they kept on tacking to what they perceive to be the center but the center

00:30:58.320 is to the left anyway yeah yeah um and then they're being flanked on the right so basically they've got

00:31:03.720 this tiny central sliver yeah that's their support base you know what's the point of them that that is

00:31:09.080 that is the point that's where they're now facing this and the donors are telling them the activists

00:31:13.780 are telling them that there's just no appetite on the street for them last night i was talking to a

00:31:19.140 a kind of dyed in the wool uh a conservative who said i will never vote for reform business person

00:31:25.540 and in the local elections she said i did i voted for him because the guy was a businessman

00:31:31.320 he he knows what we're doing in here and the liberal democrat was just weedy and i said well there's

00:31:38.340 nothing strange about that to be honest probably the greens were in there but unfortunately the

00:31:44.500 liberal democrat won in that particular part of winchester they they will do but that even to

00:31:49.340 someone that i knew like that who could never possibly vote for farage's lodge apoplectic about

00:31:55.780 farage can't stand she said i'd love to have somebody who was not farage running an authentic

00:32:00.980 kind of populist uh right-wing party with uh conservative uh policies if it's just not farage

00:32:07.800 and that lot in reform but i voted for that that story you told that was for the winchester candidate

00:32:11.700 that's one of the winchester seats that were coming do you know who the former winchester candidate for

00:32:16.100 reform was it was me was it yes i got chucked out because i promoted a policy which later appeared on

00:32:24.780 page three of the reform manifesto right uh but because i'd got there earlier than farage um that

00:32:32.040 was unacceptable and uh something before farage got it and then he wants to kick you out so i i

00:32:39.080 now in the rupert club as well i got booted out about a year out uh well maybe a bit less than a

00:32:43.920 year out from the election so that must be whoever replaced me ah okay all right well i've not met him

00:32:49.200 don't know anything about him just passing on the comments that the people learn it's just

00:32:52.920 intriguing to say that that slither is there uh you're talking about and it's it's it's becoming

00:32:58.700 more and more palpable across the country where would the donors want to vote and we're seeing

00:33:03.260 donations coming in so they're coming to try and fight back now to be fair on them no one can draft

00:33:07.720 up a bill like this just on the back of last week it would have been to have to be in the process

00:33:12.260 yes so what i've done is i'll go through it just to say it was there they they've put them some big

00:33:17.800 headlines you know we're looking at disapplying the human rights act from all immigration 1.00

00:33:22.460 related matters doubling the residency requirements for indefinite leave to remain

00:33:27.900 new powers to revoke indefinite leave to remain all good legally binding voted annual cap on migration

00:33:35.680 um again interesting how they know theresa may cameron have looked at that before

00:33:40.780 tighter visa rules for partners and civil partners i want to see the full light lines on this because

00:33:45.840 that's a really important part if you want to control immigration you've virtually got to stop

00:33:49.900 partners and civil partners from coming in and their families as well yeah visa sanctions from

00:33:54.780 cooperative countries welcome to trumpland you know again i talk about that later power to deport

00:33:59.740 all foreign criminals that's a nice little loophole interesting that was the thing that got me kicked 1.00

00:34:04.320 out of reform that that line suggesting that yeah ah okay one that they still haven't yet uh enacted or

00:34:10.240 have they actually put that in their policy they put it they put it on page three the manifesto okay

00:34:13.780 you just can't get there too quickly no no no not at all interesting one i have to admit i missed

00:34:19.940 this i don't know whether i've seen it is removing gdpr protections from foreign criminals and illegal

00:34:25.160 migrants from weaponizing privacy laws to dodge deportations not an area of research that's come

00:34:31.620 across i've not seen it in any cases i don't know how many or how big a factor it is but it seems to be

00:34:37.840 really relevant for them to want to put it into a deportation bill and then of course the one that

00:34:43.880 we've always been crying out for a long time is mandatory scientific age testing so oh yes for

00:34:48.920 children for children oh that that will end the beautiful memes though of people who turn up and

00:34:52.940 claiming to be 13 and they've got you know yeah wrinkles yeah about to retire to merpool yeah

00:35:00.660 just once they got the pension that's it i'm less convinced by the gdpr protections though

00:35:07.100 because i mean the the the myriad of human rights lawyers will just find some other angle and then

00:35:12.620 that will be the thing well i think that's one of the points i think we we can have a quick chat about

00:35:16.180 i love the chris phelps line there it's for months the labour government has turned a blind eye to the

00:35:21.180 crisis at our borders oh really boats crossings have increased over 12 000 now i think we're looking at

00:35:28.860 are we forgetting the boris wave yeah legal immigration on boris and yeah indeed on that

00:35:34.660 so they then go on to a few notes notes for editors and of course you know where we go what's

00:35:40.560 the reactions so far uh this is the independent tories to publish deportation bill as party hits

00:35:46.480 out at labour and reform i was looking for it where they're going to be the big leftist argument how

00:35:50.560 awful and evil these people are nope oh quite balanced just actually saying what's in the paper

00:35:58.180 interesting the sun came across tory migrant plan unveils deportation bill with sweeping curbs 0.75

00:36:04.080 on both legal and illegal so i'm looking there is there going to be some like massive right-wing

00:36:09.740 and sun newspaper get them out deport deport deport nope just completely balanced when you read through

00:36:16.580 it wow the first element was the use of the word by the daily express radical plan for deportation

00:36:23.260 deportation bill emerges in a bid to end the crisis with a and they pick the binding annual cap

00:36:29.940 well i particularly don't understand why that's not one of the most important parts

00:36:33.680 in there and then they they run down through that so i i would have thought the benefits claim is much

00:36:40.740 more important um and so again fairly muted across the press you're not surely suggesting that the

00:36:49.480 establishment is closing ranks to try and protect you know a key element of the establishment are you

00:36:54.560 it might well be or i was thinking is it because they just don't care

00:36:59.300 how they just turn around and say are they turn around and going oh it's just just the tories that

00:37:05.700 it's like when a small dog acts viciously yeah you just you just don't really care

00:37:09.920 you're sat there and your neighbor's little chihuahua is trying to bite your ankle off and when

00:37:13.880 they're not looking you just you know honestly i have never done that dog lovers look at me that's

00:37:19.500 a joke by the way you know no but if if the conservative party was a small dog it would be

00:37:24.000 right to be so last night i i kind of put out some kind of looking through them to try and a brief

00:37:31.420 analysis for people so for the center the bill disapplies the human rights act from all immigration

00:37:37.620 matters i know they like to say migration but actually the law is immigration we don't have

00:37:42.060 migration acts it's immigration acts and so what they're trying to say is that on the panel p of

00:37:47.860 immigration you've got immigration law you've got immigration policy and procedure so you have

00:37:53.000 these huge packs of immigration policies and procedures that go into the home office and you've

00:37:58.000 got home office guidelines so this is to disapply the human rights act across the whole swathe of that

00:38:03.660 fine on paper i would say whoopee brilliant i'd love it bring it on only problem is that i have as a

00:38:10.920 an immigration lawyer is that all of the human rights act is already embedded in our common law

00:38:16.560 and it's secured by our membership of the european court human rights and the three factors that

00:38:21.840 enable judges to make these decisions are the ech or the hr and the common law which has embedded the

00:38:28.240 decisions of the judges in previous immigration cases you remove one of the three tiers the two tiers

00:38:34.240 still stand so you're going to get the opportunity for immigration lawyers to say fine thanks very much

00:38:39.400 even if this was to come into law we can still carry i also suspect a large amount of it doesn't even

00:38:45.040 require the legal element of this i mean i give an example back in my um vc days i'd caused to um work

00:38:52.440 with an indian ceo um we were doing something with um and we needed him to come and visit the uk for a

00:38:59.260 period about three weeks um and i basically had to write a letter to the home office to say um yeah

00:39:05.460 admit this guy uh and i wrote you know we need him about three weeks you know absolutely no more

00:39:10.560 than a month um and but he's provided that to the guy and he sent it off um anyway when he got here

00:39:16.020 he showed me his passport he'd been given indefinite leave to remain yes so so they so the just the

00:39:23.080 bureaucratics and indefinite leave to remain is incredibly easy to then roll into full british

00:39:27.380 citizenship later on after five years yeah after five years so um you know it's not a lot of the

00:39:33.760 times it doesn't even come down to having to rely on the law if the home office is in favor they will

00:39:39.240 just basically let anyone in and they will upgrade them to the highest possible status that they're

00:39:43.420 able to do you know permanent residency well this is part of the research that i've got on showing the

00:39:47.400 1.2 million that have come in is also looking at the asylum decisions i mean i i waded through i

00:39:53.480 think it was 237 000 lines of excel to try and draw it out and pull it into graphs and charts

00:40:00.040 or the rest of it i mean some people were looking at it said how have you managed to do this and

00:40:04.220 hundreds and hundreds of hours just to pull this together and one of the interesting aspects i've

00:40:09.840 got is that when you look at indefinite leave to remain the asylum application process the ech or

00:40:16.200 process are just literally about 15 of all decisions of granting them maybe 20 in certain areas

00:40:23.280 well i hear even the guys who come over on small boats they're getting indefinite leave yeah

00:40:26.980 that's that's enormous that was rishi sunak he just changed the procedures but the vast majority of

00:40:32.860 them are getting them on what we call discretionary nothing to do with any of them and that discretionary

00:40:37.920 element is what the government has allowed embedded into the rules and procedures so these people are

00:40:44.960 not even they might claim that they've come under asylum or they don't mean european but but they're

00:40:50.320 being granted because there's been a policy shift to say okay well if they look like it's not bad

00:40:56.180 job and they look a bit okay they could be hurt or in pain let them stay you know and it's a policy

00:41:01.760 decision yes that's one of the ways you want to get rid of it if you want to get immigration matters 0.96

00:41:06.040 the thing i think is it was a conservative government who did that so and and it was the

00:41:09.880 goal to say in that report oh labor's been turning a blind eye sadly wasn't a pretty patel who i thought a lot

00:41:15.700 more would actually occur because the team that went in with their advisors are good people yeah

00:41:19.940 but they were defeated as i've been told by the civil servants who pushed this pushed this through

00:41:24.940 and didn't have boris's backing i mean the same thing happens every election the local conservative

00:41:29.840 comes and knocks on my door and and i you know cite the reasons why i'm furious with the conservative

00:41:34.400 party and they always say the same thing which is yes i agree with you and but we're changing now

00:41:39.300 and it's like charlie charlie brown with a football you know how many times are we going to let

00:41:43.740 them do this to us they all the conservative party ever does is betray us and i and i'm afraid that's

00:41:48.980 that's what the public is now seeing and i think they're going to struggle on this is my end comments

00:41:53.140 i mean we got uh just i'll whip through these quickly because there's a couple more that i want to

00:41:56.700 look at very interestingly on the capital migration i said is just not workable at the moment and the

00:42:02.660 format that they've got it is possible i did a the paper a fair flexible forward thinking

00:42:09.160 immigration paper straight after brexit how we could achieve 50 000 a year and still maintain

00:42:13.580 nurses doctors and care homes and still have a growing economy on the back of that so it is

00:42:18.260 possible um it is nice to see them wanting to increase the residency requirement for indefinite

00:42:23.640 leave to remain to 10 years that would be a good good policy i'd personally do the full den mark and

00:42:28.840 say you've got to have a lot longer and then we can remove it any time but that's what they've done

00:42:33.380 revoke indefinite leave if you become a burden to the uk those two are important to kick together if

00:42:38.140 you're really going to have an effective policy visa sanctions on uncooperative countries as i said that's

00:42:43.320 straight out of stephen miller's book in america on that um again for some reason i've missed up on

00:42:51.960 there banning first cards from marriages from getting visas uh they've got to get proof of that 0.77

00:42:57.300 first of all again proof of two years of marriage before a visa is granted question for me on that is

00:43:04.080 whether that now step if that was to actually come into place how would it impact people who wanted to

00:43:09.180 get married to someone from a different country across the across the land because one of the

00:43:13.940 things that they also do is the powers that they've increased is the fee for your um your spouse is

00:43:22.600 now also got to be 37 800 a year that they earn as well as your oh so it has to be a matching matching

00:43:29.400 somehow you've got to have the capital or income to what if you earn 80 grand a year can you ever stay

00:43:33.860 home wife from yeah indonesia then or you could do you could do i'm not going to go down that line

00:43:39.420 randomly pick it out it could be an italian yeah yeah it could be italian mama would get really upset

00:43:47.840 you know so we have that uh i'm going to whip through the next one so i've just said many of

00:43:54.720 the powers are considered put through ones that they've pushed for before i've linked lots of links

00:43:59.420 there they've tried to suggest this in their own policies and they've tried to suggest um that

00:44:04.900 they're now doing this as a new thing and and i i think it's coming back you've got to look at their

00:44:09.520 page this is where they're trying to to move to rebuilding trust our new immigration policy after

00:44:16.500 we betrayed you for 14 years and probably a lot longer and and i think what they started obviously

00:44:22.240 this was february 6th they didn't update from last night which i thought was fascinating and then they go

00:44:27.140 down to mention all the things in their their bill and then she has i'm not sure whether we want to

00:44:32.320 listen to to kemi talking about saying immigration is is broken we will fix it jim will fix it i mean

00:44:39.620 i just i just made nigel will fix it if you remember on his i mean to be perfectly blunt i'll just make

00:44:44.240 the meta point that you know this um we're in a period where immigration is the top issue um and the

00:44:50.940 conservatives have chosen a first generation nigerian immigrant to represent them i don't think that's

00:44:55.880 necessarily the right optics that um are going to succeed for them no i think they're caught in

00:45:01.060 the idea that if you just get somebody of of color to the top of the tree and promote it then that's

00:45:06.860 all woke and dei all the rest of it personally speaking i i've met kemi a few times i think she's

00:45:12.820 all right she's a nice enough person yeah but i i have no expectation of being able to move to nigeria

00:45:18.260 and become the president of nigeria it simply wouldn't be acceptable the other way around i've always

00:45:23.340 had a great belief that unless you're born here you can't become the leader of the country i think

00:45:27.280 that works the united states and i think it should be perfectly fine here to to be honest as well um

00:45:32.820 but you know i i seem to have an outdated view when it comes to much of politics on that um i i think

00:45:39.200 this i'd like you just to listen briefly if we we could um so i've got it on here we're saying if

00:45:46.220 you commit a crime on our turf you should be sent back this is matt vickers first time i've seen

00:45:50.460 matt vickers coming out on to their promoted so what what are you proposing this uh deportation

00:45:57.300 bill tell us what's involved in that and what's that about

00:46:00.680 so it's game changing we're saying as we did in office that if you come to this country illegally

00:46:07.640 you should be detained and you should be removed we're saying that anybody who comes to this country 1.00

00:46:12.660 should be subject to mandatory age verification i we should use whatever tech and science we've got

00:46:17.620 to check what age these people are but more than that we're saying that if you commit a crime in

00:46:22.520 this country at the moment if you commit a crime in this country you've got to be sentenced to more

00:46:25.960 than a year before you'll be deported we're saying if you commit a crime on this on our turf you should

00:46:30.780 be sent back to wherever you came from and the big problem with that has been the courts and the

00:46:35.120 human rights act we're saying we should disapply the human rights act when it comes to cases of

00:46:39.900 deportation when it comes to cases of immigration the the human rights act shouldn't count it should be about 0.61

00:46:45.440 the law that's created in that place and it being served in the court properly

00:46:49.440 so i kind of first time i've ever seen uh matt come out um again he looks like he could be a pretty

00:46:56.480 decent guy very good at repeating the lines and they probably do quite well if he moved over to

00:47:01.820 reform in the north of england in in some but i don't believe him and it's not enough and but that

00:47:06.180 was the point i was going to say look at the demeanor yeah look at the expression all there there's no

00:47:11.960 enthusiasm in there it's it's like a defeated uh it's like i've got to go out and do this

00:47:19.560 yeah we are doing this because it's easy to put this type of policy in play when you're in opposition

00:47:25.540 the the one thing i do i am a bit concerned about when on the topic of obviously immigration and

00:47:31.240 proposing a lot of this stuff there's there's obviously the man who lurks behind all of this

00:47:36.660 tony blair that always just seems to be lurking around proposing things like digital id yes um and

00:47:43.460 that's something that really rubs me up the wrong way um because if you implement that kind of policy

00:47:49.940 with digital identification identifying who's coming into the country uh that can only be expanded

00:47:56.280 absolutely so we need to have some kind of safety protocols in order to not implement something that

00:48:02.620 could diminish everyone else's freedom i argue this if they're doing that in europe anyway it's

00:48:07.220 not stopping europe's a bigger bigger group of countries yeah with a much bigger set of borders

00:48:12.720 with much more effective ids for a long period of time yeah this is this is a farce it's a pretend

00:48:19.300 issue to try and say it is more of a stalking horse to try and keep us in our boxes and control us in

00:48:25.200 the future when they know things are going to get a lot worse and the reactions as you've seen today in

00:48:29.380 your earlier part is that we're going to get reactions on the streets over cashmere and in

00:48:33.680 between india and pakistani communities so that is an element of saying let's get everybody ids we

00:48:39.380 can check them yeah we've got your bank accounts we know we could stop you having any money through

00:48:43.540 digital id that just gets weaponized absolutely i've got to the point where i want the the policy

00:48:49.880 to be you get deported unless you've got at least one british um born grandparent or you're married to

00:48:56.100 somebody who qualifies because i mean all of these half measures and we're going to tinker

00:49:00.200 around with the echr we're going to change this rule and we're going to make this allowance five

00:49:04.180 years and ten sort of ten years you know i've been hearing this for decades yeah we have and i and i

00:49:09.920 think there is that there's still some given the opportunity to sit down and review where we are now

00:49:15.100 and have a little bit of time and to create a sustainable policy for somebody that's in charge which

00:49:20.480 is why i don't really feel that reform have got that intel that's nigel farage telling me right

00:49:26.060 now that he has just ring you up swear you and hang up again sorry nigel you can do one mate do one 0.99

00:49:32.960 anyway so yeah i've just loved to do that probably i've actually said to nigel do one now but you know 0.66

00:49:40.160 if you look at where they are um it's unfortunate that i don't think reform have got the intellectual

00:49:45.580 capability and capacity at the moment to create these policies even when they had something like

00:49:50.440 the other day which is pretty reasonable and i'm i'm writing a paper for for or rather a piece

00:49:56.120 for lotus eaters on how we can actually have tented communities legally within the uk

00:50:00.820 how it's acceptable under the unhcr and they are in iom how they allow those tented communities for 0.99

00:50:07.480 asylum seekers it's perfectly acceptable it's also part of european law in many other european

00:50:11.540 countries do it um obviously um some of the more eastern ones they they just they don't put them

00:50:16.360 in four-star hotels they just put them in tents that's right and it's barbed wire around the

00:50:19.860 outside it's also part of european union community policy as well so i've started to put that why get

00:50:25.200 andrea to go out and say it and then say what on the telly you're gonna put them in tents well why 0.97

00:50:29.980 because they're bad people yeah yeah yeah well because of boom boom boom get the facts out yeah people

00:50:37.280 love the facts when you're watching our channels or some programs like when we put facts out they're

00:50:41.040 saying thank you very much because that enables them to talk about this rationally sensibly and

00:50:45.220 not be called racist xenophobia they'll still get it but then you back it with facts do that not

00:50:51.060 reform so reform doesn't have any quality people because it gets rid of them the moment they display

00:50:55.660 inequality well yeah i mean that's exactly why you're only going to get people who really think

00:51:01.680 that this is a chance for them just to get power if they they hang on to the coattails it's gonna be

00:51:06.540 nigel fraud and a bunch of yes men and women yeah so i've got this and this is the reaction

00:51:11.140 obviously by the people the newspapers were one way the conservatives have said this and this is

00:51:16.340 does not go far enough asylum system needs to be binned and completely rewritten all international

00:51:21.460 treaties and conventions that capella's to enter uh sob stories really need to go and i do believe that

00:51:27.500 actually to be fair i've i've recently uh heard some labor mps talking about the need to reform the

00:51:34.340 echo and reform the un convention on refugees because it's no longer fit for purpose i believe

00:51:40.580 that's the starting point one of the three key tiers that a government has to deal with immigration 0.87

00:51:45.700 and stephen miller in the u.s is now looking at how they can affect un convention rules because

00:51:52.900 obviously they don't have the echo but they do have un convention rules on asylum and how we can look

00:51:58.180 at international law first national law second deportations and and deterrence third

00:52:04.920 and i think finally i was i think was this um i was going to say when you look at the way that

00:52:13.200 we've done it look at a way that you're here in the ua usa they talk about trump announces a

00:52:19.020 self-deportation plan for illegals you're given a plane ticket on a commercial flight as 1 000 stipend

00:52:24.620 if you voluntarily but it's if you hear illegally self-deportation is best safe it's the most cost

00:52:30.260 effective way to leave the united states to avoid arrest he's opening up all these different prisons

00:52:36.660 across the united states because he is going to arrest you if you're illegal and put you in

00:52:40.120 and you've got a message take your ground and go that is a policy that has ended up alongside the

00:52:47.380 closing of the borders where you had 200 to 350 000 people coming over a month down to 6 000 in three

00:52:54.080 months and all of them were detained and deported end of the border crisis it's entirely a function

00:53:00.440 all about will will policies and procedures to protect yourself against the blob that will want

00:53:06.340 to try and fight back and then using all your skilled individuals skilled yeah to be able to

00:53:12.560 communicate that and effectuate that well the vast difference between trump and farage is that trump

00:53:17.100 builds a team of talent around him absolutely and stephen miller was there working when i first met

00:53:22.780 him in 2014 at cpac a very important place to to be if you really want to build where the ideas are

00:53:29.460 coming from in the united states and i met him first there along with barry bennett and their

00:53:34.960 immigration plans were being created then were not able to do it in the first term just carried on he

00:53:40.180 just trusted stephen to do it bunch work with a bunch of others took a while but they went through

00:53:44.820 every legal area they looked at the potential fight backs that could come a true strategy involves doing

00:53:50.460 that so there we are conservatives if you really want to win do what you say when you're in power

00:53:55.360 not when you're out and actually have a plan that is genuine and works very good good thinking yeah

00:54:00.720 good thinking right lewis cheer us up for something shall i cheer you all up yes with some really

00:54:07.520 lovely uh yeah what are you going to be talking about uh well the grooming gangs are still a threat

00:54:12.780 ah yeah yes uh unfortunately and you know most many politicians and people across the pond still

00:54:19.120 believe that the topic of grooming gangs uh is a historic scandal as opposed to an ongoing i think

00:54:25.560 most of the members of our government believe it's a historic scandal indeed which couldn't be further

00:54:29.840 from the truth um and this in this segment i wanted to present new data that was given to me

00:54:37.100 uh and conor tomlinson the um former colleague of lotus eaters and i wanted to just show the new data

00:54:45.660 to you guys and present it break it all down get your thoughts on it um and yes so i was having a

00:54:53.300 conversation over the phone uh not too long ago the other day and suddenly i get a ping message on one of

00:54:59.440 my emails with all my tips so like anyone who wants to send in tips to you know the email i just got an

00:55:05.280 email and i was having a look and it was like hi lewis uh good luck to what you do uh here are the latest

00:55:11.840 figures from west yorkshire police uh the data uh involving five districts which we'll go through in a bit

00:55:19.240 and showing the from 2009 to 2024 a breakdown of the victims and the suspects along with

00:55:29.440 total cases and broken down by ethnicity which i was very very surprised that the west yorkshire

00:55:35.720 police actually did considering surprising west yorkshire as you know involves uh bradford kirkley's

00:55:42.880 leeds all of these all of these districts um so uh but if we just remember just quickly

00:55:50.100 i'm sure you guys remember one particular mp by the name of ayub khan um who's a member of parliament

00:55:57.620 and said uh in a room full of constituents with obviously the pakistan flag uh behind him

00:56:04.140 uh shamefully claiming that the grooming gangs is a quote false right-wing narrative we all remember

00:56:10.800 that don't we yeah yeah dog whistle this and it's a dog whistle as well um i mean that was the position

00:56:17.040 of the uk state for a long time um you know not a fan of nick griffin but bear in mind he went

00:56:22.520 he went to jail for talking about the grooming gangs yes 15 20 years ago he did he did and like you

00:56:29.500 mentioned of course recently we had a labour mp uh lucy powell um and when asked if she had watched

00:56:36.400 the groomed uh a national scandal by channel four uh she called it a dog whistle um which is i bet

00:56:44.040 she's watched adolescence though oh and she probably asked me have you watched it a fictional

00:56:48.560 story you know yeah is is is brave and important but uh but a true story you know that's just a dog

00:56:53.800 whistle if them really want to see a proper program across the schools and they should be watching

00:56:57.460 groomed to give them the ideas of how to protect themselves from those who are going to come after

00:57:01.980 them indeed so here is the stats um so i'm going to just break it down is it is are these the stats

00:57:08.920 that were produced by the the colleague using their data or the stats from west yorkshire police

00:57:14.280 stats from west yorkshire police um and if i just go up although oh no okay that's going to take a

00:57:20.440 while no don't worry um so we'll just go through some of the yes so there you go so that's uh west

00:57:26.160 yorkshire police as more proof um and if we go all the way back down so i'm just going to break it

00:57:31.300 down so between 2009 and 2024 west yorkshire police recorded 7 100 grooming and cse offenses

00:57:40.800 these cases resulted in 7 121 victims and 5 508 named suspects these crimes were flagged as cse

00:57:53.280 or classified under the offense code 88 a sexual grooming which uh criminalizes adults who groom a

00:58:00.460 child under the age of 16 with intent to commit a sexual offense and if no sexual act occurs

00:58:06.340 uh in other words this includes pre-abuse behaviors that are often the beginning of a long-term

00:58:12.500 exploitation you had bradford which recorded the highest number of cases at 2419 offenses uh that's

00:58:22.040 34.1 of the total you have leads uh followed with 1601 cases which is 22.5 percent kirkley's with

00:58:32.140 1547 21 percent wakefield had 803 at 11 percent and quarterdow at 730 that's 10.3 percent um bradford

00:58:43.820 in particular logged over 200 offenses per year for multiple consecutive years showing of course this is

00:58:51.540 not a historic issue but an ongoing one 500 just this year alone yeah how can that be historic

00:58:56.880 unbelievable how interesting that the places you just mentioned also happen to be the places that

00:59:01.860 were my table in the first segment about areas with high pakistani populations and they've actually

00:59:09.420 provided the suspect by ethnicity uh and i've broken this down into per capita um so i'm going to talk

00:59:17.300 about the ethnic breakdown but not by raw numbers but by per capita but it's used with the 2021 census

00:59:24.280 so that's all we can use at the minute because we haven't received the latest census so of course it

00:59:29.700 could be just a bit higher yeah potentially lower it would be meaningful yeah yeah exactly so this is

00:59:35.400 the most accurate we can get it so it says asian pakistani suspects totaled at 1183 which is 21.5

00:59:43.420 of all suspects but only around 10 of the population that equates to 507.7 suspects per 100 000 people

00:59:53.540 quote other ethnic group which includes arab middle eastern and latin american had the highest suspect rate

01:00:01.320 at 530 per 100 000 black caribbean suspects 459 per 100 000 asian bangladeshi at 408 per 100 000

01:00:12.080 white british suspects despite being the largest group numerically at 2454 had a much lower per capita

01:00:21.820 rate at 155 per 100 000 white british children accounted for 3 960 victims or 55.6 percent of all cases

01:00:33.580 4 000 white british children victims extraordinary number out of the 7 000 so but to put those previous

01:00:40.460 numbers in perspective the ones that you're going through so that was is is that for the population

01:00:45.880 as a whole or the population of these cities uh it's done by it's done by uh districts sorry so

01:00:51.760 regions so it would do by per 100 000 so in in these region in a in a room of a hundred um bangladeshis

01:01:01.000 you'd reasonably expect four of them to be involved in the grooming gangs if it was arab middle east you'd expect 1.00

01:01:06.620 five of them correct um and if it was 100 white british guys you'd expect one of them to be involved

01:01:11.760 correct um that's and this is just the numbers of course i'm not trying to be you know incendiary or

01:01:17.620 anything like that i'm just you know well the numbers are incendiary but indeed it's not you

01:01:21.300 that's making them indeed um facts don't lie they don't only those who ignore the facts lie

01:01:26.660 um so going through of course the victims um so that's the fences sorry so we've done that

01:01:34.220 um so among the victims uh yes like i said white british children accounted for 3 960 victims or 55.6

01:01:43.340 of all cases but when adjusted for population um other black background victims at the highest rate

01:01:50.860 at 1 260 victims per 100 000 um mixed white and black caribbean which is 378 per 100 000

01:01:59.960 other mixed backgrounds 622 per 100 000 so meaning this is in per capita so not raw raw data what i'm

01:02:09.020 saying so while the white british children are the largest group affected in absolute terms per capita

01:02:16.000 in this particular these five districts mixed and black children are the most disproportionately

01:02:21.580 vulnerable relative to their community that's interesting i hadn't heard that aspect of it

01:02:25.260 yes um which is per capita terms only 124 victims but uh sorry in in gross terms 124 victims per

01:02:34.460 capita that's huge number huge based on the the mixed ethnic backgrounds in there um and then i

01:02:40.840 accounted for quite a uh a comparison side by side uh white british versus all other um and despite

01:02:49.040 being less than one third of the population uh non-white british groups account for 55.5 percent of

01:02:55.540 suspects and 44.4 percent of victims that's 3.6 times higher the suspect rate and 2.3 times higher the

01:03:05.260 victim rate among non-white british communities um now this is that gets quite um i don't know what

01:03:15.940 the word is but uh i'm gonna read it out and see what you guys think for charges versus offenses

01:03:21.540 only 1 272 charges were brought across 7 100 offenses that's just 17.9 percent meaning over four in five

01:03:34.920 cases did not result in a charge and that's that's charges so we don't know about conviction rate

01:03:42.660 but that still seems quite low and 17.9 percent well it is suggests that these numbers are massively

01:03:49.540 underreported if that's true yes yeah um by a factor of five it's really sad and it's really and i think

01:03:58.780 also if you're looking at this if if this was rape cases where those charge levels were in the

01:04:04.780 same levels we'd be seeking to have changes to the procedures both in the cps and in law yes to

01:04:12.320 enable us to be able to have more convictions policy at the policing at the the policing community would

01:04:19.520 also be asked to actually look at this and review this so why hasn't that been done when these levels

01:04:23.860 are so significantly different yes um well i mean if just going back to that under under reported case

01:04:31.240 i mean to put that into perspective you were talking about close to 4 000 victims

01:04:34.860 um for this particular area um if it's under reported to that degree you're looking at closer

01:04:40.240 to 20 000 within just one region now maybe some of those cases are exaggerated or you know lied about

01:04:50.740 but i can't imagine um that's a particularly high proportion of them it gets worse um obviously trends

01:04:57.980 over time offenses exploded after 2013 peaking at 2017 and 18 with over 800 cases per year before

01:05:06.360 slowly declining however like we said earlier 2024 still saw 537 cases and only 34 charges 34 charges that

01:05:16.540 is nonsense yeah that is abysmal yeah and that's a stain on on on on the process not the prosecution but

01:05:23.760 the police not bringing enough evidence for the prosecution to be able to charge and and i've

01:05:29.020 also got to wonder how many people have lost faith in the system so absolutely they don't even bother

01:05:33.020 reporting it that's a possibility that's so i mean it could be worse than it could be worse than five

01:05:38.400 times underrepresented notice the bottom the the third from the bottom and the the second from the

01:05:46.400 bottom not stated or not recorded there's missing ethnicity data it says 1070 suspects had no

01:05:54.700 ethnicity recorded that's 19.4 of all suspects and 2461 victims were also missing this data that's 34.6

01:06:06.780 of the total meaning there are incomplete reporting on ethnicity breakdowns by suspects and i think in

01:06:17.120 statistics terms that'd be called statistically important uh differences because it yeah obscures

01:06:22.460 significantly significant i should say i mean yeah i've written here this income this incomplete

01:06:28.480 reporting obscures patterns and undermines public transparency so just to go over the key takeaways um

01:06:35.760 so number one ethnic disproportionality among suspects is obviously real and significant when viewed per

01:06:42.680 capita uh mixed and black children face the highest risk of victimization relative to their community

01:06:48.980 size um bradford is the epicenter of grooming offenses in this data set reminder that this is only five

01:06:56.340 districts yes um charges are rare fewer in one in fewer than one in five offenses result in prosecution

01:07:04.960 um and that's just with this particular data set from west yorkshire police um rupert lowe weighed in on

01:07:13.900 this when uh when i phoned connor uh because i obviously broke it all down yeah i phoned him and i said

01:07:21.140 i don't know i i was genuinely flabbergasted to what i was reading and i said i don't know how to

01:07:27.360 i don't know what to do with this i was so i felt the weight of it you know it was like wow this is

01:07:32.700 insane and he said he said okay well let's work together and put it out he done a really really

01:07:38.780 great thread on it with a with an article for courage on it um to get it out and rupert lowe

01:07:45.060 commented on it saying we need to start asking the really difficult questions why do men of these

01:07:50.060 backgrounds have disproportionately higher offender rates uh what is driving it all reasons must be

01:07:55.280 explored social cultural and yes religious uh why are these communities not doing more to tackle

01:08:00.180 the evil from within i find it very difficult to believe that this mass rape has gone uh by 0.99

01:08:05.840 virtually unnoticed uh why do pakistani men believe it's acceptable to sexually torture white girls 0.95

01:08:10.840 without understanding the motivation we won't tackle the root cause difficult questions the answers i

01:08:16.900 suspect will be even harder to digest it's a conversation that is becoming more and more necessary

01:08:22.100 i mean it's not just pakistani men who believe this is acceptable it's the rest of their families as

01:08:26.880 well and you can see this in court you know when when the guilty sentence is a hand down

01:08:30.920 um the rest of the family is there saying that they support them regardless i'm just it's the

01:08:36.660 charges it's the 17.9 percent four in five cases did not result in a charge i think that they

01:08:45.560 in themselves are shocking numbers the numbers of victims are shocking 7 000 yeah and as we looked at 500

01:08:51.660 just this year alone and and that amounts to me as a need for a national investigation yes not only

01:08:59.480 those past cases and why councillors social workers police politicians ignored it and why are they still

01:09:06.420 in their jobs why have they not been prosecuted why have they not been shunned by society for actually

01:09:11.920 being the cowards that they were at the time and and why as a father of a daughter i just get

01:09:18.040 absolutely uh yeah super angry about this and just you know you want to go out there and

01:09:23.120 shake these people and say why were you doing yeah what were you doing how can you dare look at that

01:09:28.420 and i remember reading um just watching only the other day the chief constable of west yorkshire 0.97

01:09:33.980 turning around and saying we all thought this was um sexual prostitution of five and six and seven

01:09:39.560 year olds i mean why are you still in a job what what's wrong with you man to even think about that

01:09:44.580 yeah what brings you as a human being to sit at the desk and have this passed on to you and say 0.90

01:09:51.160 i have a seven year old girl being abused in this way and you say it's sexual prostitution 0.72

01:09:55.280 but i'll ignore it and yeah if you put a sticker up with a right-wing slogan you know the laser eyes

01:10:00.100 will come out and they'll be down on you like a ton of bricks that's right i just don't understand how

01:10:03.560 when he goes to the pub or he gets in a restaurant people are not looking at him and turning their backs

01:10:08.700 and not even wanting to converse with that person we're a nation run by traitors i'd imagine and i and i find

01:10:13.540 that difficult to understand first as a human how i would even thinking those terms without saying my

01:10:19.000 first gut reaction is to protect those children at all costs and i don't care about the ethnicity

01:10:24.120 culture age of the of the man or woman that's involved in this whoever they are go for them

01:10:30.100 because that's the right thing to do absolutely and i don't understand politicians like lucy powell

01:10:35.620 yeah just turning around i understand for political reasons but morally oh no yeah i just call it a dog

01:10:42.020 whistle dog whistle and but even you know where is our humanity gone interesting a lot of a lot of

01:10:47.780 the you know center left and even some you know further um are actually came out and you know

01:10:53.880 scorned her for it even i i read aaron bastani um was scorning scorning her for it saying that's

01:11:00.480 completely out of touch this good you know what are you doing like you know do you even know how to

01:11:05.020 do politics you know labor and it's yeah i think the overton window has shifted a lot with the

01:11:12.100 conversation which is good um but i yeah apologies it is depressing very very depressing but it's

01:11:18.880 incredibly important rupert is raising seriously important questions that need to be asked i mean

01:11:23.560 clearly we had a scandal within the catholic church which needed to be dealt with particularly

01:11:29.040 in ireland for for example and that took communities to really recognize that was not just the the

01:11:35.120 priests that were involved in the cover-up but there were again social workers police officers council

01:11:40.100 workers politicians hiding this and they've come to that conclusion now it has led to a massive

01:11:46.500 destruction of belief towards the catholic church in ireland in many ways and they're going to have to

01:11:52.140 take some time to recover but it was the right thing to do to address this less people were put in

01:11:58.520 prison again the same sort of thing the the establishment avoided any culpability and that

01:12:04.460 again is a shameful part i don't i i believe don't you think it's a shameful part of our society

01:12:09.720 that the elites can avoid culpability on just coming back on the lucy powell question um i decided to look

01:12:15.620 it up as to why is she behaving in this way well she has a rapidly reducing majority in her constituency 0.92

01:12:22.160 of manchester central against the islamic candidate uka ranu i think okay

01:12:28.460 okay so um you know basically she if she upsets the um isla list too much well she's she's not

01:12:34.400 going to be an mp anymore so that's probably why she's made made a piece with this but i i talked to

01:12:39.160 you know yesterday i think and i showed the the background of lucy powell she is part of the hierarchy the 0.98

01:12:45.620 royalty of manchester labour politics her father was deeply involved in labour party and a mum and two

01:12:52.680 aunts were head mistresses in schools at the age of 23 having just left university she was immediately

01:12:58.800 sent to labour party's central office at millbank to work in the campaign for for tony blair from

01:13:04.960 there she was then given an ability to go and work as an assistant for a labour mp in manchester who

01:13:11.820 subsequently got privy councillor she's one of the youngest privy councillors ever to have been

01:13:16.040 selected as a woman and all her journey has been pretty mapped out from the days that she her and

01:13:23.320 her family decided that she was going to be involved in politics and become a labour mp so even if she

01:13:28.100 loses that seat i think they'll find somewhere else for her or they'll elevate her to the house of lords 1.00

01:13:33.400 because that's that's the journey for her so i and and then they'll try and keep her but it still 0.91

01:13:39.300 does not deflect that she's losing that seat how is a human being what sort of human being are you

01:13:46.340 yeah just to just to cling on to some power yeah you will actually throw children yeah under this

01:13:52.680 kind of political bus yeah that's the disgrace that's the disgust that's why we're feeling such

01:13:58.140 uh ignominy towards her and why we get ignominy towards these individuals in power of allowing even 0.76

01:14:04.340 today 500 girls to be abused in in that earthly areas i need to make just one little correction 1.00

01:14:11.260 um and it was about uh the breakdowns uh for the five regions uh rather than just national figures

01:14:19.260 um so this foi from west yorkshire police uh provided suspect and victim data by ethnicity in total

01:14:27.960 um but not broken down by district um so while we know how many offenses occurred in bradford leeds etc

01:14:37.360 uh we don't know how many suspects or victims from each ethnic group were identified in each area

01:14:43.560 uh as for population data the 2021 census does not give ethnic group estimates by district

01:14:50.080 but in many cases it groups all white categories together either white irish what other white british

01:14:56.200 uh making it literally impossible to isolate white british cleanly across all five districts to get a

01:15:04.300 a proper number only bradford for example uh breaks out white british separately um so to maintain

01:15:12.940 consistency and accuracy um we used west yorkshire wide totals for both the foi and the census data when

01:15:22.700 calculating per capita rates uh ensuring all groups were compared on the same terms um so that's just

01:15:31.160 for actual context but uh you can definitely read the breakdown in a lot more detail connor did um

01:15:38.060 uh the breakdown as well written for courage media uh dammy new day to disprove labor's grooming gang

01:15:44.700 narrative um and of course i did a video on it as well if you prefer to watch the video or we've just

01:15:51.580 done it here so there you have it and you can also find all the links in the show notes if you want to

01:15:57.840 sleuth through it yourself uh with the foi there you can go and find that there i think you've got

01:16:05.040 to be commended for the work that you've done i know this must be kind of emotionally morally

01:16:09.580 difficult to deal with such weighty information when you've been we've sent that and you and connor

01:16:14.040 have done an amazing job from my my perspective particularly not only to take something that is

01:16:19.380 really seriously painful yeah to actually read and be shocked by it but then to actually do the

01:16:25.500 proper analysis but also the chap that's whoever that sent you that freedom of information what a

01:16:30.340 what a hero or heroine they are too yeah and i'd like to say thank you to the person who did

01:16:35.120 um send it in um you know they to add as well they sent this person was sending freedom of

01:16:44.380 information requests not just to west yorkshire to gmp greater manchester police if they got anything

01:16:49.880 from there got nothing from everyone else west yorkshire was the only one that provided that

01:16:54.680 um so that speaks volumes but uh yeah no i i very appreciate um sending that um because when i saw the

01:17:05.080 ping and i read through it i just sort of you know when you know something yeah but then you have it

01:17:12.060 confirmed back to you and you're still shocked it was one of those oh yeah i know that feeling well

01:17:17.360 and it was and i just i i just i don't know i just felt a bit of weight and i phoned connor and i

01:17:24.320 thought i don't know what to do here so we you know but no i appreciate that it's um good piece of

01:17:30.000 research and analysis really difficult really difficult but that's it okay should we go to the video

01:17:35.640 comments my garden this is our victoria plum i'm making this video because i'd like to show you

01:17:46.480 the progress from the blossom forming to the plums themselves ripening so here you can see the remains

01:17:52.660 of the blooms they are now falling off and behind each blooms have gone is the beginning of a tiny plum

01:17:59.140 so let's follow these together see how long they take to ripen and see the stages

01:18:05.600 i look forward to tracking that over the whatever period of time these things grow

01:18:11.520 look at this graph of how the canadian parties changed their seats the bloc quebecois are a

01:18:17.940 prissy bunch who always bang on about french language and francophile culture and it garners 0.93

01:18:21.940 them huge support quebec has sold out their values to jump to a party headed by a man who barely speaks

01:18:27.340 french just to stick it to trump ndp voters realized their leader had sold their party down

01:18:32.380 the river and their vote was better lent to the liberals but don't think that's a swing from ndp

01:18:36.940 to conservatives it was ndp going to liberal but in insufficient numbers splitting the vote and

01:18:42.000 letting the conservatives through it's interesting i speaking about the canadian election i was looking

01:18:47.120 at the voting intentions uh broken down by um like age range like zoomers boomers why they voted 0.99

01:18:54.520 for what and the disparity between uh sticking it to trump to uh you know cost of living it's and i'm

01:19:04.440 looking at it going why did like boomers overwhelmingly voted um the intention was to stick

01:19:11.560 it to trump yeah over you know their own domestic well i always maintain for a boomer the tv is a primary

01:19:18.060 sense organ yeah and the tv only ever talks about trump so yes that's their world that's yeah that's

01:19:24.800 the only thing i know one uh woman who works in a in a school who's just incessantly as she's in a 1.00

01:19:32.180 primary school is watching anti-trump videos she's a trade union socialist that's all she does and when

01:19:37.780 they're not on it's like she's going for withdrawals where's where's the anti-trump video i need a tiktok

01:19:43.380 cancer trunk give it to me shaking let's play this so you guys talking about nationhood and national

01:19:52.220 identity and how sort of history needs to be taught i think that that's accurate i feel like in sixth

01:19:57.060 form or thereabouts you're sort of told to critique everything and through a marxist lens because it's

01:20:00.820 critical thinking and to contextualize and to find fault or how things can be improved to be better

01:20:05.560 and then i feel like in university at the end of your studies or progressively towards the rest of

01:20:10.700 your life you should continually reaffirm why nationhood is actually important because it's

01:20:15.440 then going to mean that you're going to get on with everyone around you better as well

01:20:18.420 good point yep good point as a marxist i remember those days and it's all educational system doing

01:20:26.180 that yeah quite a bit of your friend i'm still trying to work out did i miss something about

01:20:30.220 watching the blossom of the bloom from from the video at the beginning was a secret message i think

01:20:35.460 there's going to be a series of them and we watch it unfold i that's that's i just go into my garden

01:20:40.440 and i'd look up if i want you know to be honest and i can see the wood pigeons eating everything

01:20:44.120 that i want you know they'll nibble away at those green things no one's given me a shotgun to be able

01:20:49.260 to get rid of him yet not that i have a license or the capability of doing it but you know i keep

01:20:53.920 watching marvel shows and i can get these eyes to get rid of the pigeon and then keep my victoria

01:21:00.120 plums yeah you've got to keep those uh we've got any more videos this is another video good morning

01:21:05.060 lotus eaters the mountain loop highway recently opened and i decided to hike to the abandoned

01:21:09.520 gold mining town of monte cristo and up the poodle dog pass the weather was perfect the trilliums

01:21:15.140 were blooming along the trail and you could see almost every single mountain in the area

01:21:18.860 it was also cool knowing that you were hiking the trails traveled by miners and prospectors 130 years ago

01:21:24.540 also if you're listening to this josh thank you for everything you did at the lotus eaters and i hope you

01:21:29.980 end up camping in my neck of the woods someday more pictures and videos tomorrow that is beautiful

01:21:35.760 absolutely stunning best way to touch grass hey

01:21:38.680 here we are that is not like swindon no no my old hometown of crawley um right um let's do um some

01:21:49.700 of these comments um so um in exo says that the answer is simple the quran makes it clear that

01:21:56.080 non-believers aren't worthy if the men are married and want sex and it's not adultery under their

01:22:00.640 religious law so it's permissible to them yes i think i've i've i've heard similar things 0.93

01:22:05.940 um rick twgp says there's no right gear because they are um afraid of the white indigenous population

01:22:16.540 lose control of us once and they know they've lost control altogether yes that is um that's probably

01:22:22.820 getting to the nub of it and and and glee triple seven says uh things are heating up here in brum

01:22:28.900 um the the the smell of curry is strong uh it is quite a potent smell i will give you that right

01:22:35.560 um and also i shall turn to um our subscribers who uh sophie live says uh oh no i suppose now

01:22:45.000 the deporting you guys need to take in 10 million indian refugees as well as 10 million pakistani

01:22:49.520 refugees i mean literally that is i think if there's a war most likely outcome yes there's a

01:22:54.840 war it's going to be hard not to argue argue from their side of things because the pressure will be

01:22:59.360 on the labor party to admit them um miss miss desert rat says uh many thought uh russia's invasion of

01:23:06.200 ukraine would would kick off world war three but the conflict between india and pakistan might be the 0.59

01:23:11.280 ignition i mean it could be yeah i don't know i'm not sure sarajevo too i'm not sure no i can't see

01:23:19.500 it myself to be honest no i can't either i don't know all the big parties don't really as we said

01:23:25.300 you know in world war ii the big parties were either backing one side or the other you've got

01:23:29.260 china america and european union and i suppose russia all saying which side do we go on yeah

01:23:35.920 so i'm not sure yeah they're all calling them to calm down aren't they yeah

01:23:39.200 um uh charlie francis montgomery gullivard oliver uh says i wonder if the indians are just bombing

01:23:49.200 targets uh the pakistan government can't act against directly i mean that that's an interesting

01:23:54.140 point yeah but possibly because of pakistani internal politics you know backroom deal has

01:24:00.200 been done which is you know actually we wouldn't mind so much if you took out these bothersome chaps 1.00

01:24:04.340 and we're fires and my telly shells and then we're you know we're we're sound off in the media and

01:24:09.200 then we go back to normal i mean that is that is a possible outcome yeah yeah yeah that's that's

01:24:13.380 that's an interesting point actually um collars h1b1 replacements are so in short war in short war

01:24:19.640 um in india and pakistan breaks out england most affected yes yes that that is that is right

01:24:26.320 um should i do something yours or do you want to no no you go ahead okay i'm just it's difficult to read it

01:24:32.200 as much um kevin fox says speaking of asylum uh recently the msm were covering uh the two little

01:24:40.020 girls entire families from gaza's urgent medical care at the same time norway god knows why i've

01:24:44.760 decided to recognize uh the palestinians uh and its government hamas as legitimate yes so if you know

01:24:51.600 um yeah uh you know i have the greatest of sympathy for children anywhere in the world you know such as

01:24:58.480 gaza and you know wherever else who are in need through no fault of their own because of actions

01:25:02.960 their parents or you know their government may have taken uh but yeah why does charity never begin at

01:25:07.980 home you know we we sort of gloss over our victims here um great focus on on elsewhere

01:25:14.220 omar war says whoever loses in the indian pakistan conflict the ngos win and the defense contractors

01:25:21.000 i'd add to that um all of these human rights lawyers must be salivating over the potential

01:25:25.300 refugee status yeah they will do well as well yeah well as i point out the um iom has a budget

01:25:33.540 of 3.8 billion and 15 000 employees so the international organization of migration under

01:25:41.400 the un they've got a budget of how much 3.8 billion 3.8 billion and what they do is as much as the bbc

01:25:46.740 that's a vast amount of money yes so if you want to donate so that we can take on we'll have 3.8

01:25:56.340 billion billionaires out there i feel we should call up our po box address again as well because

01:26:00.360 clearly a lot of money sloshing around out there but none of it seems to be coming our way i tell

01:26:04.620 i've got a great what it'd be like if we had 3.8 billion to take them on yeah imagine we're doing

01:26:09.360 this on smaller budgets across the globe all the different groups imagine if we did get

01:26:13.060 a billionaire that said i'm going to be soros for you yes that would be superb in fact um let me just

01:26:20.640 go

01:26:21.100 go through some of the various gifts oh no i can't find it now

01:26:28.300 oh whatever anyway i was having to go through the list of the po box addresses uh of the fantastic

01:26:34.280 gifts who's he doing no i'll quickly tell you my bbc story i was once out with a missus having a walk

01:26:39.020 in the park this is years ago and i noticed a full-scale bbc truck yeah big articulated lorry

01:26:46.600 rolled up um and the back was open and they were doing something i didn't think much of it okay

01:26:51.300 they're doing something um and and one of the guys comes over to me and says have you seen any bluebells

01:26:56.680 on your walk and i was like well uh wasn't really paying attention but um you know what do you want

01:27:01.560 them for and he said we said well it's a nice day so we wanted to get some footage of bluebells

01:27:05.980 and i was like well to put on the weather report and he's like yes and it's well haven't you got

01:27:12.340 stock footage of bluebells and he says oh yeah loads of it but we like to do it fresh

01:27:16.220 so they've got enough money that they can send out a lorry to to get just get bluebell stock bluebell

01:27:23.720 footage even though they've already got countless hours of stock footage but they just someone fresh

01:27:28.560 it's either someone having a laugh in the office like no no no they're quite sincere yeah yeah

01:27:34.280 yeah that's yeah how the bbc works if only we had uh that sort of money um noah newman says does

01:27:40.820 all of this mean uh all the indians and pakistans can claim refugee status in the west uh yes yes yes

01:27:46.240 it is it's true yes that is exactly what it means playing war and and war and war yes uh jumbo g says

01:27:53.200 good luck to anyone in leicester who hasn't been ousted yet a cricket match will be nothing compared to

01:27:57.240 what's coming yes i mean if a cricket match led to that sort of conflict you know imagine what

01:28:02.240 down fighter jets is going to do that's going to be a little bit more lively interesting to see over

01:28:07.260 the weekend if if it really does go off a bit more uh yes um do you want to do something for me a little bit

01:28:13.400 yeah sure i need to scroll down uh there you go that's the one thank you very much

01:28:17.960 um so uh so we've got here connor's h1b1 uh just a reminder that each of those statistics numbers

01:28:28.820 represents a real person whose lives have been ruined by people who shouldn't have been in the

01:28:33.040 country to begin with obviously not all um but yes uh yes very true um i think that's it okay

01:28:41.840 isn't that's literally right well in in which case um um uh why don't i guess just remind

01:28:48.240 everybody where where they can be found where can you be found lewis oh um yes so you can find me on

01:28:52.700 x uh just lewis brackpool you can find me there you can find me on youtube exactly the same uh and

01:28:58.480 instagram as well and substack uh i i post them there uh try to at least oh i've got an x you can find

01:29:05.060 me on x at king bingo underscore because i signed up for like in the first week of twitter

01:29:10.040 and i just gave a joke name because i didn't think this thing was going to stick around

01:29:13.780 i've got a stupid handle but anyway steven well mine's just like yours lewis steven wolf one and 0.62

01:29:19.500 that's on x right and i only have that at the moment um and also the center for migration has c m e p 0.96

01:29:26.380 uk one center for migration economic prosperity uk one have that i um years ago i had to close down

01:29:33.620 all my accounts uh because i was being blacklisted in the city couldn't get a job at all

01:29:39.300 until i cleanse so i had over 100 000 followers on the crust of all the channels so i only really

01:29:44.300 started again in november so a lot of the work that i'm doing has come back because people said

01:29:49.220 you know you need to fight back and that's exactly what i'm doing so c m e p is rebuilding i'm

01:29:54.500 rebuilding so thanks very much good man uh yes excellent right thank you very much and um

01:29:59.820 look forward to seeing you tomorrow chaps

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 07, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1159

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