The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1160

00:00:00.000 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the load seat is for thursday the

00:00:12.860 8th of may 2025 i'm joined by dan and charlie downs great to be here carl as always coming in

00:00:18.400 and today we are going to be talking about uh the kind of lack of radical action from the trump

00:00:24.580 administration we've all been waiting for a lot of things and uh i think you know we're sort of like

00:00:30.260 you said a lot of stuff on day one and we haven't got it uh the post woke left and where they can go

00:00:36.940 from the position that they're in and what we should do to counter them and what our response

00:00:40.520 should be to counter them exactly a lot of options i think they do and i think that they're going to

00:00:44.360 be a far more powerful force than any of us are ready for oh okay that's interesting because i

00:00:48.600 was looking at them kind of scratching around in the dirt looking for something to glom onto

00:00:53.120 and i wasn't very impressed i wasn't worried about them so that'll be interesting uh and of course

00:00:57.600 why we as solar men have got to rise up against the den mothers and overthrow the matriarchal

00:01:04.420 hegemony of the cave did you watch 13th warrior last night is that no no right no but i i basically

00:01:10.560 got the entire film memorized oh i see okay along with master and commander and along with master

00:01:15.440 and commander and many other base films before we go into it we also mentioned i mean we did a shout

00:01:19.480 out yesterday for the lovely coasters and stuff but just a reminder you know you lovely people

00:01:24.340 you send us stuff and if you'd like to send us more stuff yeah just just to be clear the absolutely

00:01:29.040 lovely slate coasters oh very nice yeah very nice um so thank you very much for this anyway let's let's

00:01:35.460 begin so i thought i'd ask the question um you know i know i know you did trump and his first hundred

00:01:42.200 days uh but he did promise some very radical stuff he did and the radical stuff it's inching through

00:01:50.400 so i just want to make uh just summarize what i was saying in that video is i overall trump's hundred

00:01:55.760 days has been pretty good uh he did get a lot of good stuff done as in he stopped the border invasion

00:02:02.560 he has uh made america something important in people's minds and so he is putting america first

00:02:10.240 uh whether and he's made mistakes but he's generally been pretty good uh but you are right

00:02:16.260 the the the really impactful radical stuff has been kind of left off the table it's a little bit

00:02:22.560 tepid so far and and he promised a lot of very radical things yes uh before he came in and you know

00:02:28.020 that you're going to struggle to find a uk media outlet that is more pro-trump than us yes so this

00:02:34.500 criticism is friendly criticism and it's constructive right it's constructive criticism

00:02:38.660 it's be more radical do more radical stuff and the thing as well before we go into this i i do want

00:02:44.340 to also um couch this in a i understand that you are working within systems that are hostile to you

00:02:50.000 and there are them then hang on hang on okay but it's not it's probably not that simple right no

00:02:56.600 it's probably there's a vast depth of complexity that underpins it beneath the surface that we just

00:03:02.100 can't see that means that essentially you know people will have sat down with other people and

00:03:07.580 said look if you do this this will happen and this is terrible so you can't do this that said i would

00:03:12.580 like to see more people led away in handcuffs well yes i agree so i i just want to be clear that i'm

00:03:18.300 not i'm i i'm personally not trying to castigate the trump administration and big trump supporter uh but

00:03:24.400 the there are i agree with you a series of things that were promised that we actually i think are

00:03:28.960 they are yeah if if nothing else cathartically important to be done it is interesting as well

00:03:34.480 because that kind of uh led away in handcuffs type imagery i don't think i don't think the british

00:03:38.940 public are ready for that yet but i think the american public actually the american spirit um and

00:03:43.860 because of the things that they've been subjected to i think they absolutely are ready for i think

00:03:46.720 they need to beg the question why it's not happening and the nature of some of the crimes as well

00:03:50.200 yes yes like you know epstein didn't have any customers did he oh okay interesting

00:03:54.000 yeah um so the first one that i think i'll come to is uh you know this chap here thomas crooks the

00:04:01.580 the the trump shooter now known black rock associate yes yeah um yeah we were told he's a lone wolf

00:04:09.040 immediately and then it was sort of buried does this kid look like a lone wolf no he doesn't he doesn't

00:04:14.920 look like any sort of wolf to be honest exactly exactly looks like a prey animal yes he does as we

00:04:19.960 spoke about last time yes does that qualify as prey eyes and does it charlie i i would say so as a

00:04:25.140 professional yes it absolutely does though um but yeah i mean um there was clearly something going on

00:04:32.660 at higher levels and we haven't seen anyone led away in handcuffs yet it's like the uh las vegas

00:04:39.320 shooting as well yes another memory hold what happened to that yeah that's gone he lugged all of

00:04:44.320 the gear up the service elevator on his own did he yes wasn't it something like 1500 rounds he fired

00:04:49.800 something like that that is a really anyway memory hold yeah completely memory hold no one wants to

00:04:55.420 think about that i mean specifically on this guy i mean i've got a number of questions um you know

00:04:59.340 why did the uh dhs secretary muirka uh deny trump's request for additional security still don't have an

00:05:05.680 answer for that great question um when did thomas crooks scope out the building and how did he know this

00:05:10.400 was the roof to shoot from um why was this roof unprotected by secret service and police

00:05:15.980 especially when it was sort of identified as a place where direct assassin would have a direct

00:05:21.120 line of sight i mean it did like you when afterwards you'd see on the the uh images they take this it was

00:05:26.380 the obvious spot yeah yeah you it was just a direct line yeah what why did the uh secret service and

00:05:32.080 police ignore people literally yelling and pointing that there was somebody on the roof

00:05:36.600 kind of jfk-esque that isn't it oh they're on the grassy no no they're not shut up why the

00:05:41.060 hesitancy in engaging crooks um and how is it possible this is another big one how is it possible

00:05:46.200 that crooks has no digital footprint yeah sort of you know young man in the modern world doesn't use

00:05:52.860 the internet yes doesn't look like he gets out a lot as well let's be honest true exactly what was

00:05:57.700 he doing yeah yeah yeah um before before i go further on on the details on this one i just want to

00:06:02.980 point out and and this is going to be a slight tangent but it is going to be directly relevant

00:06:06.560 to this to this thread um we've actually got an upcoming lads hour uh in which we're going to be

00:06:11.680 addressing this question um if you're not already watching lads hour that's probably because you're

00:06:16.440 not a subscriber and this is probably well i don't know if it's the best thing we do it's definitely

00:06:21.280 the fun thing we do yes so um if you want to watch our lads hour which are very popular um you can go

00:06:26.900 to our website and you can you can join up there and you can you can see some of the lads hours we do

00:06:31.160 anyway the the point with this lads hour is um it a lot of the debate will hinge on how effective is

00:06:37.980 the shooter in the middle so i've been doing some research for this lads hour um and and what i did

00:06:44.100 is is i got into shooting because i wanted to be able to address this question properly so just as a

00:06:48.760 quick side note because americans always get this wrong americans think that we can't have guns

00:06:53.460 we can have guns we can have guns there are in fact millions of guns in the country just not cities

00:06:57.520 yes yes um well i mean some demographics in the city have handguns but but yeah different question

00:07:03.120 uh but no it is absolutely possible to get some serious kit in this country um handguns are a bit

00:07:08.960 more restricted they tend to be amongst the criminal classes but there's actually an awful lot of good

00:07:13.120 stuff that you can you can you can get in the uk it's just that you as you pointed out we don't

00:07:16.820 have a gun culture here but you know we can have guns we do have gun shops and all the rest of it

00:07:21.400 anyway so then um you know i did a bit of um you know bit of bit of time at the range uh which is

00:07:29.140 thanks to the ricochet rifle club so i've got to give them a quick shout out if you are looking to

00:07:32.460 join a rifle club in the in the oxfordshire area get in touch with them and what i'm all leading to

00:07:38.060 here is um i am a complete beginner at this stuff i'd never fired a bolt action rifle before in my life

00:07:46.420 have you not no i've fired some guns but not a bolt action thing before and the gun i was using

00:07:52.220 while was actually uh this one here which is you know iron sights um gun and this is a target

00:08:00.940 which is about the size of a child's head it's about maybe maybe maybe that right yeah the point

00:08:07.460 is it's smaller than trump's head yeah and i was shooting at a distance which is about the same

00:08:12.400 distance as trump was away from this shooter right um complete and utter first timer

00:08:19.140 that's how i did not bad um the point is and only one of those wings is here yes yes quite ignore this

00:08:27.500 one down here that's the staple mark um but the 10 shots on target and and even a complete beginner

00:08:33.420 brit who'd never used a bolt action rifle uh before in his life um would have would have taken out

00:08:39.280 trump at least nine times out of ten that one was possibly an earshot yeah um so you can sort of

00:08:44.960 understand why whoever it was that put this crooks kid up to it was confident that he could get the

00:08:53.400 job done because it genuinely was a charles chart yes it was a genuinely easy job so um you can understand

00:09:01.060 right and i mean further questions on that point why did cnn live stream the entire event yeah they

00:09:09.820 they cut is that what you're saying no no no no it's not yeah they're taken to just not uh live

00:09:15.660 streaming his um broadcasting his event i see what you mean because they're highly persuasive and fun

00:09:19.820 yes people were tuning in being like yeah this trump guy's making a lot of points and i like

00:09:22.960 here at the cup of his jib he's it's nice to just hear him go off script and so uh it was a while

00:09:27.280 ago in fact that they just decided we're just not going to broadcast them and and they hadn't covered

00:09:31.160 any of them in that election cycle except for that one weird that the butler rally they live streamed

00:09:37.560 the entire thing almost like they had a particular shot that they wanted to get and they didn't cut

00:09:42.780 the feed that's the point i was sort of driving the point they didn't cut the feed either because

00:09:45.900 you think i mean the moment a shot goes off cut the feed can't have people saying that but

00:09:49.120 yeah they didn't no it's so so that that is that is deeply odd and it's just it's on that point

00:09:55.140 you know that's really ironic that trump just comes up and he's like fight fight if i get

00:09:58.660 completely oh yeah turns into a completely iconic image yeah you know and it's like that as i i

00:10:03.740 actually tweeted uh yesterday that he has now uh commodified his own assassination attempt which

00:10:08.800 is about the most american thing i can imagine um i have other questions because of course it wasn't

00:10:16.160 just crooks it was that other guy who took a shot up in the golf course as well

00:10:19.320 why is it that um both of the assassins were featured in black rock commercials

00:10:27.360 i'll kill the sound on that but yeah so i think we there we go there's there's one of the trump

00:10:34.220 shooters really um in a black rock commercial and here's the other black rock commercial which

00:10:38.640 features oh there he is again yep that's weird that is he is knowing what are the odds

00:10:44.780 what are the odds put put put it this way and i'm not endorsing this so you know nobody come

00:10:51.300 and arrest me but let's say people were taking pot shots at kia starmer and a hundred percent of the

00:10:56.700 assassins were lotus eaters presenters do you think at some point they might suggest that maybe there's

00:11:04.180 a connection yeah do you think somebody somewhere would be taking a good hard look at us yes i think

00:11:09.060 so yes um so yeah a hundred percent of the assassins were featured in black rock commercials

00:11:13.680 um cnn decided to live stream the entire thing uh the other thing that that gets me is do you

00:11:20.200 remember that woman um who was the head of the secret service um it rings a bell but i can't remember

00:11:27.580 yeah she was there she was the head of the secret service and you know when this all happened she

00:11:31.920 she kind of basically spoke about it as if it was you know somebody had um accidentally ordered

00:11:38.160 too many staples or something it was it was a thoroughly bureaucratic measure it's like okay

00:11:42.120 well yeah we take we take a look at this and we're well we'll put it on the list yeah it's something we

00:11:47.800 we are probably something we need to address um yeah no i do remember that actually was it her who

00:11:53.260 also wanted to deny him more security was that the same person uh well i mean there was multiple

00:11:57.800 people in that chain who denied the additional security but and the security that was around him

00:12:01.820 i mean one of them was a short woman yes yes you know it's like she she literally can't physically

00:12:08.660 put her body between him and a bullet because his body is bigger yeah so much taller than her and

00:12:14.260 it's like right okay but in addition she was ducking so that yeah yeah she yeah she wasn't doing her

00:12:19.160 job properly anyway yeah but even if she was she couldn't have done it yeah but i mean a huge number

00:12:24.260 of questions around this and i suppose i need to be careful what i need to say for legal reasons so i'll

00:12:28.420 frame this delicately but the democrat party were trying to get him killed and they were

00:12:33.000 conspiracy with the deep state in order to do it is what people online are saying yes well that is yes

00:12:39.480 but but i you know they're they really really should be people walking out in handcuffs over this

00:12:47.020 incident it looks like yeah and and isn't a hundred days enough to make the first arrest on on you know

00:12:53.460 just this matter alone yeah i do wonder about this because i think trump has essentially worried

00:12:58.380 about them because i mean they have already tried to kill him at least once possibly twice yes so

00:13:03.620 yeah it is interesting how i mean on your point of trump not really doing anything particularly radical

00:13:08.780 how he isn't going after the individuals who have been responsible for his own persecution now whether

00:13:13.900 that's because he's been advised not to because people are going to say it's a bad look you know

00:13:18.080 persecuting the opposition or the rest of it or for other reasons you know i don't think it's clear

00:13:22.180 but you'd think that a guy like that would he'd have it in his absolute you know his blood must be

00:13:26.660 boiling that he's not been able to to go after these people i mean people try to kill you is not

00:13:30.940 the sort of thing you forget no so but but but or even trying to put you in prison like let's forget

00:13:35.740 and that yeah yeah i mean you know i i could talk about that as well but there's there's many radical

00:13:41.440 things that we are hoping to see um you know judges arrested as well i mean that i mean that's all

00:13:46.580 part of it as well so yeah um i you know i do think that this needs to be addressed and we need to

00:13:50.940 kind of see some arrests we want to see um you know people who are involved in this exposed

00:13:55.160 there's no way that this kid didn't have a digital footprint and there's no way that you know

00:13:59.340 something wasn't going on there's no way that there was secret service in that building but somehow

00:14:03.620 they overlooked somebody clambering out on a roof which was in front of a window which apparently

00:14:09.180 they were stationed in and it's so convenient they get shot afterwards as well yeah and then they

00:14:13.280 immediately hose down the area and he's immediately cremated yeah and the story is immediately i mean

00:14:18.640 something something is obviously going on there um moving on um this is the official jeffrey epstein

00:14:25.120 pedophile arrest counter ah it's not it's not it's been six years now that's true i mean gislaine

00:14:33.240 maxwell's in jail

00:14:34.240 something i i suppose i mean i mean when you say jeffrey epstein you may as well just have

00:14:41.380 and gislaine maxwell next to it because she yes intricately involved in the procurement of young

00:14:47.660 girls i i i seen so i read through the files when he first went to jail like six years ago

00:14:53.140 whatever it was i made a video on it uh she was directly involved completely involved in all of

00:14:57.260 it she would take part in the the sex offenses i'm putting her down as an organizer but you know

00:15:01.800 there's been no none of the clients have been arrested so yeah um also he didn't kill himself

00:15:07.200 obviously obviously yeah obviously shocking very obviously you know so so that's uh yeah something

00:15:12.820 that could be exposed by trump you know and people could be put in handcuffs and i'm sure he mentioned

00:15:19.280 this when he did his joe rogan uh interview did he not he said that he'd taken a look at the uh files

00:15:24.340 at the time and had decided that the amount of furore that it would cause if he were to release them

00:15:29.220 is almost like too much trouble no trouble i can't remember that offhand but i'm sure i've heard him

00:15:33.880 say that somewhere uh and it's it doesn't sound like trump to be honest that kind of thing the thing is

00:15:39.180 though i i i personally suspect that the depth and scope of this issue yeah is literally all of

00:15:47.000 them yeah are we for example to believe that that republican donors weren't involved yeah exactly

00:15:50.700 for instance sorry i'm suggesting that lindsey graham is completely clean on this issue i don't know

00:15:55.740 but i'd love to find out allegedly yeah like you know they're like i don't know i'd have to be

00:16:01.880 little girls in his case but but yeah well yeah sure yes you see you see the point yeah you know

00:16:05.820 there's there's clearly something going on um this thread uh well post um you know highlights

00:16:11.080 some some of the issues here but um you know pam bondy said she was going to release the files

00:16:15.060 i don't doubt her sincerity yeah um and they had that thing where they where they called in a bunch

00:16:22.020 of sort of tame reporters and they showed them redacted files and then they could tweet about it

00:16:28.440 but yeah there was nothing in them yeah nothing we didn't already know their names yeah yes yeah and

00:16:34.360 we should also acknowledge the um the elephant in the room that jeffrey epstein was clearly an

00:16:40.060 intelligent asset for a foreign power possibly one aligned with the u.s so i can understand the

00:16:46.180 sensitivities there and i can understand you know republican donors may well be i mean he was trying

00:16:51.820 to catch everybody so it's entirely possible but you know seems to have succeeded as well yes yeah

00:16:56.800 it's entirely possible friends as well as enemies but this is a cleansing that needs to happen

00:17:02.640 again we need to see people in handcuffs being led away and if it hurts your own side then it is it is

00:17:08.980 necessary and they shouldn't have been doing those things that simple quite right if you go to a an

00:17:15.020 influencer's house and he offers you uh something a bit naughty then you should say no yes you're a

00:17:20.180 fool if you say yes that's real yeah you must know you're being entrapped you must know um so i mean

00:17:27.080 i'll skim through some i won't go through all of them now because i don't think i've got time but

00:17:30.360 she's making a whole bunch of oh there we go there's the there's the influencer thing i do

00:17:35.020 think if i may very quickly this the whole epstein issue actually i think there's a deeper point to be

00:17:39.160 made about it which is the kinds of people who are able to arrive at positions of leadership in the

00:17:44.700 systems that we have in this country and in america where they are the types of people who can be so

00:17:49.420 easily compromised through the allure of uh you know sex women uh you know things that are yeah you

00:17:56.120 know the parties all of it right um the fact that maybe it's just human nature maybe i'm being a

00:18:00.180 perfectionist but the fact that those sorts of people are the people who govern us and who our

00:18:04.800 system selects for uh you know who actually you know the incentives seem to you know uh want and

00:18:10.380 also very possibly you're not allowed to rise up to a certain level unless you are compromised yeah

00:18:14.420 i mean that's a that's a possible fact i mean the system will literally select against you because

00:18:18.420 if the system is made up of corrupt people why would you want honest men getting to the top yeah

00:18:22.420 you need to keep them out of course you do there was there was i think a congressman i can't remember

00:18:27.500 his name but the chap in a wheelchair and he's a young good-looking i remember the guy he's in a

00:18:31.380 wheelchair and he he was saying that he would as soon as he got into politics you know he would go to

00:18:36.260 things and he would have these like 10 out of 10 9 out of 10 stunners soliciting him for sex like

00:18:42.040 quite obviously and it's like you know he is a good-looking chap but he is in a chair and even if you

00:18:47.420 are a good-looking chap and you're not in a chair that that doesn't happen no it's how this was basically

00:18:51.980 the end of his political career as well yes because he i can't remember his name now and

00:18:56.340 things i really like the guy because his rhetoric was just hardcore yeah he was good i can't like i

00:19:00.740 know i can't remember wasn't there i'm sure there was a compromising image of him released at some

00:19:04.140 point something like that some kind of frat yeah yeah yeah i remember that i mean but i mean you

00:19:08.520 know anecdotally speaking i mean any anybody who has moved in political or media circles for any

00:19:13.320 amount of time as i have for the last couple of years it's my job um you will you know madison

00:19:17.880 yeah that's that's the guy he's really really he's young lad 18 in 2014 and yeah he had a really

00:19:24.000 good-looking future in the magma movement somehow tanked interesting that but but but the the extent

00:19:28.800 to which uh this kind of thing is just ubiquitous i mean i can only speak to the uk scene um but the

00:19:34.740 way you know like i said the drugs the parties all that kind of stuff everything that people think

00:19:38.800 goes on in the halls of power it's all true i mean i i've had conversations with politicians and

00:19:44.160 aides of politicians who say yeah no there is yeah this does happen yeah totally i i've had

00:19:49.740 people tell me that uh like peter mandelson i'm not going to repeat what they've told me but it's

00:19:55.100 just like oh yeah another friend of epstein that's not yeah yeah yeah another friend of epstein the

00:19:59.060 current uk diplomat to the united states he probably implicated from what i've been told i've heard some

00:20:07.240 of the same similar rumors and i'd love to talk about them but we know yeah it's an open secret

00:20:11.200 though all of this kind of stuff in american and and british political circles you know let me

00:20:15.800 just quickly play this video uh from from pan bondi talking on this subject since it's relevant

00:20:19.940 actually samson you do it for me i'm not very good at the button you need to press it twice

00:20:23.460 no no the fbi yeah the fbi they're reviewing there are tens of thousands of videos of epstein

00:20:38.700 with children or child porn and there are hundreds of victims and no one victim will ever get released

00:20:47.660 it's just the volume and that's what they're going through right now the fbi is diligently

00:20:51.820 going through that i haven't seen that statement but i'll call him later and find out

00:20:56.300 thing that i can be free to do the thing so they're going through a whole bunch of things

00:21:02.500 and so i'm sympathetic to a point but you haven't had so this this framing bothers me right because

00:21:07.960 we know it's not just epstein because we know on his little saint james island he had cameras set up

00:21:13.560 to catch visitors yeah and we know that he would have had tens of thousands of videos of

00:21:18.260 people on a little people who you know for example flew with him 25 times on his private jet

00:21:23.340 exactly so it's like the framing itself she's no she's just saying oh it's all just epstein yeah

00:21:28.600 she's she's bringing it back to us not just epstein and we know that it's not i mean there

00:21:32.080 is an interesting kind of moral quandary here which is you know the actual materials themselves

00:21:36.660 should they be in the public domain i mean no no obviously the material the actual material

00:21:40.540 themselves but like the report describing what had happened and that's fine yeah but the point i'm

00:21:45.680 saying but i'm saying yeah should they be because because maybe it's in the public interest no i don't

00:21:49.220 think they should just because if there was literally no other way in order for something to

00:21:52.880 happen i i think the nature of the thing doesn't need to be um i think i think we you know an

00:21:58.200 official report describing what's happening with various censored images or whatever just so you can

00:22:02.340 see the face of the perpetrator right you know you can black out the whole thing except for this

00:22:06.200 guy that's fine but the the point being she's not naming any names she's specifically not implying

00:22:11.500 even there's other people involved well and that's kind of the point of the segment i'm i'm

00:22:15.100 sympathetic that they need to be careful and sensitive given the subject matter and they need

00:22:19.440 to protect the victims and all that kind of stuff but at the same time you can't lead us around on

00:22:24.440 this forever you are going to need arrests and lots and lots of them because just yes yeah can i

00:22:32.320 also point out the fact very quickly just while we finish that whilst epstein may have been the person

00:22:36.600 who produced these materials whoever now owns them whoever is the kind of final buck with whom the you

00:22:42.720 know with whom it stops who actually yeah they now have the power that those that those materials

00:22:47.160 hold they are the ones who actually now hold the compromise and it must be which begs the question

00:22:50.980 point begs the question what are they doing what are they doing with it perhaps there's a reason

00:22:54.240 perhaps there's a reason they're not prepared to release well because it's because it's a very

00:22:57.160 powerful tool having this compromise on people yeah that's a great point i didn't even consider that

00:23:01.480 because yeah i don't think in those sorts of ways but you're good point very machiavellian

00:23:05.400 but that's a good point and and and and you know are we to believe that the fbi is above that kind

00:23:09.560 of thing oh yeah the fbi just full of angels mate full of angels now um so i would linger on that more

00:23:15.120 but we we got more to come to um trump's um statement about deep state overhaul um let's play this

00:23:23.840 from about 51 seconds in for about 30 seconds or so i'll tell you to stop and there must also be a

00:23:30.900 complete commitment to dismantling the entire globalist neocon establishment that is perpetually

00:23:38.860 dragging us into endless wars pretending to fight for freedom and democracy abroad

00:23:44.540 while they turn us into a third world country and a third world dictatorship right here at home

00:23:53.380 the state department the defense bureaucracy the intelligence services and all of the rest need to

00:24:00.580 be completely overhauled and reconstituted to fire the deep staters and put america first

00:24:08.300 we have to put america first finally we so i mean part of a longer piece and he also goes on to talk

00:24:17.380 about a truth and reconciliation um committee for you know some of the many things that were done

00:24:22.320 uh love the energy where are the arrests when was this released sorry this was before he got elected

00:24:29.240 yeah so this is how yeah these were campaign videos he was putting out before he got elected

00:24:32.980 um but yeah exactly these are these are strong statements we'll go on what are we what are we

00:24:38.220 doing here and is is it going to be the way he's going after the deep state is he's going to

00:24:43.540 change the head of department no he said reconstitute the entire thing so i mean this is arriving in jfk

00:24:50.520 territory of scattering them to the winds yeah yeah but what we've seen so far jfk files didn't really

00:24:57.120 actually do anything interesting which was very strange yeah we've seen good people put in like

00:25:01.740 the you know the cash patels and the tulsi gabards and stuff so fine happy with that but that is just

00:25:08.380 that's a change of leadership that's not reconstitution that's not gutting them and rebuilding them

00:25:12.540 yeah i think people overuse the whole containment thing but it sure as hell looks like that in those

00:25:17.040 cases quite quite um you know um you know a number of things that he he mentioned that he was gonna

00:25:24.320 you know reinstate some executive orders he did well on the executive orders i'll give him that yeah he

00:25:28.260 did a massive overhaul of national security and intelligence agencies not seeing it so far just

00:25:33.860 seeing the head changed and you know maybe they need a bit of time but and to be fair i can understand

00:25:38.340 that it could take time but like at least seed it into the public consciousness look we're working

00:25:43.680 on this at the moment you'll see in six months or something you know something like that rather than

00:25:48.580 just never mention it again yeah and when was the last time you heard trump talk about the the neocon

00:25:53.220 foreign foreign policy establishment and this kind of rhetoric i mean that's you know yeah well

00:25:57.560 didn't some guy just recently get fired uh walls recently get fired for being too pro-israel oh yeah

00:26:03.160 so that's that's a start yeah but i think it goes beyond one chap to be honest yeah i agree

00:26:07.680 obviously yeah yes but that's that's a start that's something yeah but again i'm not seeing

00:26:16.500 people led away in handcuffs and that's kind of what i'm looking for yeah at this point there are

00:26:20.780 a bunch of criminals who need their comeuppance yeah um reform fISA courts uh i'm sure something

00:26:26.020 is being done on that truth and reconciliation committee to uh declassify and expose all documents

00:26:31.400 related to deep state activities i i suspect that one's going to be put on the back burner yeah but

00:26:36.880 would love to see it crackdown on leaks i'm sure he actually will do that one independent inspector

00:26:41.660 generals he talks about audit the um intelligence community um and decentralized federal power

00:26:48.060 so i mean all of those are great ideas i mean other things that he sort of floated in the past

00:26:53.020 of you know departments to go department of education department of commerce environmental

00:26:57.360 protection agency and department of homeland security needs to be entirely restructured

00:27:01.640 agree mr trump agree to do it you know do do that um what else have we got um i should give an

00:27:12.480 honorable mention to the jfk files yep because they were released they're completely useless but they

00:27:17.540 were released i mean yeah that's the point isn't it the the one thing that gets done is something

00:27:22.880 that's very safe and doesn't challenge the status quo yeah and once again containment you know there was a

00:27:26.900 if you if you'd said 10 years ago the jfk files you don't even need to qualify what that means the

00:27:31.520 jfk files are going to be released it would have been like what are you talking about that that would

00:27:35.080 that would upend the entire american state but it did nothing it did nothing but now people don't

00:27:39.780 talk about it well they've had decades to clean those files out yeah so i wasn't necessarily expecting

00:27:44.240 much um might be a bit hopeful um 9-11 um maybe a bit of a dig into that i'd love to know more

00:27:53.580 about lucky larry silverstein tucker carlson did an excellent interview i can't remember his name

00:27:57.740 now but with a former senator who was on the intelligence committee and the way him and his

00:28:03.320 family with the fact that it didn't include building seven in it in their report no it was

00:28:06.820 when it's much deeper than that it's worth watching actually i should have i should have linked it here

00:28:10.420 but that that tucker carlson with that senator a former senator about him and his family his life was

00:28:14.980 destroyed because he asked one too many questions and in one other thing that always stood out to me

00:28:20.780 is the fbi raided his daughter's house and tucker was asking okay well what was the charge oh no

00:28:26.480 charge they never spoke to her they took um files and computers out of her house and sealed them in

00:28:31.620 boxes and then returned the boxes a couple of weeks later unopened so they didn't speak to her they

00:28:36.320 didn't look at anything intimidation no but what they got out of it was a headline which his daughter

00:28:40.320 was arrested for corruption he gets chucked off the committee um and then they drop all charges

00:28:45.060 against her right so right yeah just because he was asking the wrong questions that's just theater

00:28:50.540 yeah um doge i should mention well it's not just theater it's taking out uh a troublesome node you

00:28:57.540 know what i mean it's it's all just you know confected nonsense oh yeah it's confected but they

00:29:00.980 they they were doing it specifically to target that guy to remove him from the committee so they

00:29:04.940 could carry on yeah it's well worth watching that interview um i'm gonna give an honorable mention

00:29:09.900 doge because good progress is being made there it's still 400 billion is that uh yeah the thing

00:29:16.380 i think i would point you out here is those are the doge savings that's got three commas but the

00:29:21.020 um deficits has four commas yeah i'm aware so um it's a good start it's a step in the right direction

00:29:26.740 so i will acknowledge he's being radical there go further yeah go further like that um i'll have to

00:29:33.700 give a mention to the tariffs as well uh i'll be very quick on this but i was saying at the time that

00:29:39.380 um oh you guys aren't a member of a trading view so you're not getting the full view okay i was

00:29:44.760 going to make the point that um the tariffs have basically achieved what they were trying to achieve

00:29:49.360 all right okay um in the early days so i mean a lot of there was a lot of fuss at the time about

00:29:53.780 the markets being down the markets dipped four percent and they are now higher markets are always

00:29:58.180 up and down i don't care yeah but they dip four percent and now they're higher than they were on

00:30:01.240 liberation day and everybody was saying all the markets are down it's a failure no it isn't

00:30:05.620 um dxy um which i don't know if we get that the next one um here you go the dollar index

00:30:12.200 major win so basically you know you don't want the dollar to be too low you don't want it to be too

00:30:17.540 high uh you want it around about a hundred and it was simply too high before and part of the tariff

00:30:23.560 policy did did indeed get that down i don't have time to go into why that's a good thing and it's a

00:30:27.680 necessary thing but they absolutely needed to achieve that um and the other thing there's a lot of

00:30:31.940 you do remember how we crashed the bond yeah all the bonds the government u.s government bonds are

00:30:36.740 worthless now can do you see the crash on there and by the way on this up is bad right so going up

00:30:43.600 is a crash if you saw some spike that went up so that is what people were calling the crash in the

00:30:49.580 bond market that that bit there i mean it seems to have been worse in the last few years right yeah

00:30:56.200 bond bond market was fine um so um tariffs and and and on tariffs you need to wait years in order to

00:31:05.680 see if the strategic reorientation of the economy happens um whether they can bring sort of military

00:31:11.280 supply lines back to them and the other thing people talked about i was damaging the midterms the

00:31:15.400 midterms are 544 days away and yeah a lot can happen 100 days so i've got to give him credit for

00:31:22.140 all of that um so he is doing some radical stuff but come on let's see let's see some people arrested

00:31:28.180 just the final thing this it shows you what is actually structurally compromised in the united

00:31:33.820 states and what isn't right like like the the infrastructure of the political system somehow

00:31:39.460 hinges on the epstein files not being released yes which is kind of terrifying and i can't help but

00:31:44.260 wonder as a final thought whether all the while this stuff goes unreported and undisclosed

00:31:50.120 how long it will be before a you know 2025 2026 version of edward snowden emerges who has access

00:31:57.140 to this stuff and just decides you know what it's in the public interest i'm going to sacrifice my own

00:32:01.860 he shouldn't then flee to russia yeah yeah it's been done before it's happened before that's absolutely

00:32:06.160 true yeah so you know uh we remain supportive mr trump but um you know don't lose that radical zeal

00:32:11.700 you you've got to you've got to follow through on this stuff and i want to see people in handcuffs

00:32:15.300 yeah there's only one chance to do it um that's where adam name says trump spoke on joe rogan about

00:32:19.840 the jfk files and his refusal might once again be because of his involvement from our greatest ally

00:32:24.260 just like with epstein i'm not suicidal by the way uh and logan says hey lads hope you have a great day

00:32:30.140 can you make a broken on my clon welfare so yeah probably can actually i don't need that actually

00:32:34.640 um do you need uh yes i will thank you very much right so let's uh let's go so

00:32:40.200 the right needs an answer to the post woke left now of course that statement assumes that the left

00:32:47.560 are in fact post woke which is obviously a matter of some debate still so um to that end myself and

00:32:53.960 professor eric kaufman um are running a debate next month in uh london with matt goodwin gadsad and

00:32:59.580 batia anga sargon um question answering the question is woke dead um so a little bit of a shill here

00:33:05.460 um if you want to come along the uh link should be in the description um it will be an amazing event

00:33:10.500 and tickets are selling very fast as you can imagine um but it won't be one you want to miss

00:33:14.400 uh there'll be a lot of people you recognize there and it should be a lot of fun but moving on um i want

00:33:20.700 to ask what we as a movement uh should be doing and should be thinking when it comes to the left

00:33:26.320 because i think that those people who are still banging on about woke um in certain cases it's it's

00:33:32.500 legitimate but i think broadly speaking and especially in the american context woke is in

00:33:37.300 the rearview mirror right and i think for uh those people who are on the cutting edge of left-wing

00:33:42.060 thought uh in america and in the uk uh they're aware of this fact and they're already you know

00:33:47.240 woke for them is already in the past who's an example of a cutting edge left-wing thinker out

00:33:51.360 of interest well well believe it or not they do exist and i'm going to go into some of them okay

00:33:55.260 so so uh yeah we'll get on to that so before we go on i i think um i think it's important to note

00:34:00.900 with the sort of like post movements what they tend to do is take those things that

00:34:05.380 weren't properly overthrown in the conflict of the dialectic and just subsume them into their own

00:34:15.140 positions as base assumptions and then move forward without the crusading zeal of the pride flag in your

00:34:21.500 face yes i've been it and i think we'll actually see that phenomenon play out in some of the stuff

00:34:25.820 yeah so it's not that woke doesn't exist anymore but it's not a present force in politics yeah i

00:34:32.280 mean i i think the the victory of trump over over harris and the democrats represented certainly in

00:34:36.940 america the kind of final rejection by the public at large of woke politics that's what i think harris

00:34:41.680 will be remembered as embodying was was that kind of mad period of four years in america where

00:34:46.400 you know everything just went insane people forget how radical she was as well totally although with

00:34:51.040 that being said i i still maintain that harris was not an ideologue i actually think that she was an

00:34:55.280 empty suit i agree she's too stupid to get exactly yeah but whenever she made ideological statements

00:35:00.540 they were just essentially the most radical form of communism you could imagine okay well if you're

00:35:04.960 going to do it i suppose i think someone just fed her the line right she's that's the line she

00:35:08.980 remembered i don't think i agree she's an empty yeah yeah but as i said the interesting question

00:35:13.120 here is where the left goes um and i think as i said from the perspective of the cutting edge

00:35:18.360 if you will um they they they know that woke is done they know that work is dead so exhibit a

00:35:23.500 alexandria ocasio cortez um i don't know if we can play this video we won't watch all of it i

00:35:29.160 haven't got a mouse here so and if we could get some volume on this

00:35:32.840 yeah i'm not seeing very many pride films oh there's one as well this this actually as we watch

00:35:44.260 through this you will see this was ocasio cortez 11 minutes all about which is just speak over

00:35:49.160 um this was 11 months ago right so this was at the height of kind of democrat campaigning anti-trump

00:35:54.220 sentiment um and all the rest of it and you can see the kind of things that are being said in this

00:35:58.180 video especially towards the end it's just it's just woke rhetoric it's just like bog standard our

00:36:02.980 community our identity this that and the other yeah right yeah medicare for all and all the rest of

00:36:07.340 it right so this was a in in my view this is a woke um that's 100 right it's fat women and soy boys

00:36:14.000 yeah something that will be studied in generations to come as a as a kind of yeah yeah um so this was

00:36:19.600 this was 11 months ago what's interesting to me is this okay this was a couple of weeks ago so

00:36:25.920 cortez has transitioned from if you will the the woke uh rhetoric into talking about the fact that

00:36:32.580 plenty of politicians on both sides of the aisle feel threatened by rising class consciousness so

00:36:37.440 just the point on that do you do you not remember just after trump's victory where she posted about

00:36:42.040 what right-wing podcast do you guys listen to so she specifically canvassed for right-wing

00:36:47.960 podcasts and who who am i supposed to be listening to to understand the current wave yeah it's coming

00:36:53.140 out and i think this is a great point you're making here is that yeah okay so we're we're defaulting

00:36:58.160 back to 20th century marxism and this is the point okay so i want you to put a pin in this

00:37:02.840 for the moment because this is going to be an essential uh kind of aspect of all of this i now

00:37:07.380 want to show you this which was four days ago okay so if we just hit play on this and again we'll watch

00:37:11.760 it um we'll just watch part of it this is cortez being heckled uh by a liberal uh in new york city

00:37:18.620 town hall uh who is decrying her as a war criminal as complicit in the genocide in gaza um saying shame on

00:37:25.400 you you know maybe if we could get a little bit of volume now just so we can get a film

00:37:28.600 you get the idea right and that woman in the crowd proactive liberal yeah that woman in the

00:37:42.220 crowd was ocasio cortez just five years ago right they've they've you know and now she's in the

00:37:46.720 position of power she's the one who's being labeled uh you know a monster effectively um and

00:37:51.540 it's interesting i mean it's just a classic example of the revolution eating its own isn't it and

00:37:55.120 that's because cortez um as much as that she has championed the issue of gaza and has been kind of

00:38:00.300 anti-israel she's very much wound back that kind of rhetoric uh in recent uh months she's actually

00:38:05.940 quite astute as a politician she's very good well this is the thing right she was the first one to

00:38:10.060 take her pronouns of her bio like two hours after trump and this is what i'm talking about when i say

00:38:14.160 cutting edge because as much as you might hate ocasio cortez she is actually very savvy i don't hate

00:38:17.920 her at all i think she's quite lovely but she's just stupid um but like you know i was looking through

00:38:22.160 all of her you know in preparation for this i was looking through all of her kind of digital uh you

00:38:25.860 know her digital platforms and all the rest of it social profiles and she's got a really good brand

00:38:29.740 like she's actually got a very slick uh she knows exactly what she's doing she's very yeah and she's

00:38:34.600 got like 12 million followers on x well she's huge or she's attracted some background player power

00:38:40.340 power players who who think that she's got a team almost sculpting her online image but she's

00:38:47.300 incredibly effective right um so the fact that she is moving away from woke and that's the point

00:38:52.020 here i think is very interesting because she clearly is because she's a trendsetter on the left

00:38:55.780 totally because back to this um there is and this is the case in america and britain as we'll see

00:39:00.020 there is this emerging um or perhaps re-emerging sentiment on the left that we need to move essentially

00:39:05.660 move away from identity politics and back to economics and that's that's that when i say post-woke

00:39:09.620 left that's really what i'm getting at here because another figure who is also doing this perhaps

00:39:13.420 the uk analog to ash sarkar is our friend um did i just say ash sarkar spoiler alert it's ash sarkar

00:39:20.200 yeah the uk analog to ocasio cortez i mean look at the thumbnail on that woke is over and that's

00:39:25.720 what i mean you just have to search ash sarkar woke and she did this a few months ago going around

00:39:29.740 all the lefty podcasts being like listen we have to change because the woke paradigm has failed

00:39:34.740 the the voters are actually far right and so we need something else to appeal to them and it's

00:39:39.920 gonna have to be class identity otherwise the revolution fails entirely now bear in mind ash

00:39:44.320 sarkar as you well know carl is one was one of the absolute foremost warriors for what politics in

00:39:49.760 britain maybe the foremost i mean can you think of anybody who was more woke than her in over the

00:39:53.920 last 10 years um she was i mean it was really really mainstream but she was also representative

00:40:00.380 of the british intellectual vanguard of woke yes she would go on long-form podcasts and explain at

00:40:04.880 at length yeah why they wanted race gender and economic socialism yeah well redistribution

00:40:10.260 along those lines exactly yeah that was precisely her definition yeah um and so and so therefore it's

00:40:14.980 very interesting to hear her if we could play this uh speaking in this kind of way

00:40:19.900 that anne frank had white privilege i mean if she did it didn't f***ing help her

00:40:25.860 like i'm sorry it's a 2016 song i'm here um she had white privilege she had white privilege um

00:40:32.220 she had other problems you know you have uh examples where um someone was talking about the

00:40:41.380 you know exploitation of like door dash delivery uh riders in the united states and someone was like

00:40:47.200 um but actually what if you're disabled and then you need them to bring your groceries and it's like

00:40:50.400 well you were the one saying about this delivery driver wasn't disabled so like where's this come

00:40:56.080 from um but i think that some of the examples which are most laughable and i think actually get

00:41:02.080 much less attention in our current uh media environment is that there is a weaponization

00:41:06.700 of this form of identity politics in the interest of pro-israeli advocacy so at the francis crick

00:41:12.600 institute some researchers wanted to put on a bake sale to raise money for medical aid for

00:41:16.620 palestinians there was then a flurry of complaints to hr saying that it was an allegedly peaceful bake sale

00:41:22.760 and it made them feel personally threatened and unsafe let's leave that there i see your point that

00:41:30.140 some of these lefties are at least they got the finger on the pulse yeah well this again like

00:41:35.060 acacia cortez i mean i've not met ash sarkar but i've met a couple of navara people and i i respect

00:41:39.740 navara tremendously i think i'm aaron bastani is somebody who i i like and who i've been out for a

00:41:44.480 drink with a couple of times good guy and they really are you know they're very intelligent people

00:41:49.200 and ash is no exception they're the left-wing version of us yeah yeah pretty much right um and and it's

00:41:54.600 no surprise therefore uh that people like ash sarkar can see the way the wind is blowing

00:41:59.700 and is therefore distancing has not just distancing herself but laughing at the positions she previously

00:42:04.980 held and advocated for and the thing is if the wind was going the other way i would be finding a

00:42:09.520 right-wing interpretation of left-wing philosophy yeah you know i would have no choice yes because

00:42:13.380 you've got to be the bellwether that moves with the times yes so this is they're doing exactly the

00:42:17.880 thing that they ought to do yeah yeah it's clever it's clever and and and they you know you said

00:42:22.400 about the intellectual vanguard this yeah this is how political movements work so the likes of sarkar

00:42:26.660 and ocasio cortez are holding these positions now but if you give it a year you're gonna you're gonna

00:42:31.520 see those people who were championing woke politics for the last five to ten years coming out and saying

00:42:37.040 oh isn't that silly you know white privilege i mean that's literally just saying yeah yeah and i

00:42:41.180 guarantee you you will hear people especially on the british left saying things like um you know uh the

00:42:47.700 the kind of the working class lads up north who can't get a job and who are you know where there's

00:42:52.740 huge problems with drugs and alcohol and all the rest of it well they don't have white privilege i

00:42:56.320 guarantee you i think i heard the other day that angela rayner and oh some of those other ones are

00:43:01.240 terrified of saying anything that's woke i covered up the podcast yeah yeah one one labor party organizer

00:43:07.660 and activist had heard in the grapevine that the the the leadership are just afraid of doing anything

00:43:12.540 that looks well and that and that's probably because the smart you know people who know what

00:43:16.080 they're doing blair or whoever it is has sent down orders do not do anything woke and they're

00:43:21.020 internalizing it as fear of doing so well dan it's funny you should say that because next up we have

00:43:26.700 the master himself now this this was 20 2021 this is 2021 right because blair obviously being probably

00:43:33.560 the tip of the spear um you know truly like basically the guy who runs the british left um he could see the

00:43:39.140 writing on the wall even back then right so this was like during covid all the rest of it um and in this

00:43:43.780 article politically bear blair is two or three years ahead of everybody else this is incredible

00:43:47.960 the labor party needs complete deconstruction and reconstruction nothing less will do it's the party

00:43:52.140 you made it yes yeah and uh and in this article i won't i won't go all the way through it but in

00:43:57.220 this article he basically says that in the uh gap that is left um that that well where the left where

00:44:04.220 the labor party doesn't define a kind of social and cultural position people will just label it woke and

00:44:09.460 they will just fill that gap in their own minds with woke politics and he says that woke politics

00:44:13.340 are deeply unpopular out of touch with what people need um completely missing the mark in terms of uh

00:44:19.680 well basically just the concerns of ordinary people as in you know not abstract ideology but putting food

00:44:24.380 on the table clothes on their children's back and all that sort of thing very sensible savvy politics

00:44:27.980 um and as i say he could he could read the writing on the wall you know nearly five years ago at this

00:44:32.080 point or four years ago rather um and we also had just a couple of days ago and this is this is

00:44:37.700 related it's not quite the same thing it's related pratt is blair saying that net zero is doomed to

00:44:42.800 fail in britain which is a very very surprising thing for him to say because whilst he has never

00:44:47.420 been woke yeah but whilst he's never been woke he has always been a champion of climate right and

00:44:52.360 climate i find is one of those it's it's the issue that's you know where if woke is the center of

00:44:57.060 gravity climate is in its orbit but it's the one that's the furthest out if that makes sense um because

00:45:01.680 where you have like racial identity politics and all the gender stuff that's absolutely a core of woke

00:45:05.660 and if you speak to the people who believe in that stuff they probably also believe in the climate

00:45:09.080 stuff but you also find people who believe in the climate stuff but don't believe in the woke stuff

00:45:13.040 so there being an example the climate stuff for the woke is merely a means to an end yeah they they

00:45:18.620 view the climate stuff as a revolutionary tool and the second it's no good as a revolution tool they

00:45:23.060 can just drop it but blair has a singular ideology power yeah sure and digital id but no no blair

00:45:29.200 actually has an ideology he wants to essentially reconstitute the european union in britain

00:45:32.820 yeah he wants us to be he's all a function of power i mean the the power is for a reason the

00:45:37.920 power isn't just for itself and the reason and this is why he does he's done everything this

00:45:41.640 is why he bureaucratized this country he wants to recreate the the bureaucratic european structures

00:45:46.060 in britain yeah he's he's like the prime manager that is his ideology yeah yeah yeah and i gotta say i

00:45:51.520 mean you know this is some we talk about blair a lot in our circles because he's a very interesting man

00:45:55.200 but i think that people forget that he you know there's a way in which you can view his uh vision for

00:46:00.920 the world as being in one sense quite admirable because what if you read his work if you read

00:46:05.300 the papers that he produces from the tony biller institute it's it's pretty much always about

00:46:09.580 efficiency uh you know leanness of the state uh the the effectiveness of the state in delivering the

00:46:15.460 things that ordinary people actually need and all this sort of thing it's just the way about

00:46:19.020 the little people need to be managed and he's the one to do it yeah he also believes in the hyper

00:46:25.660 technocratic bureaucracy yeah that will be the function that does this yeah and that's the bad

00:46:30.720 part um but but the point is that blair recognizes that woke was a doomed political formula from from

00:46:36.120 from the off right um which begs the question uh where do the left go from here now we've obviously

00:46:41.160 already touched on this slightly but i want to introduce exhibit d which is this gentleman okay so

00:46:47.040 and you knew he was going to come up um so this is gary stevenson who is a a sensation he is a

00:46:53.020 phenomenon whether you like it or not yeah um and and i've actually i've courted some controversy by

00:46:59.380 my takes on gary stevenson online um on x and elsewhere because i've praised him um for his

00:47:05.620 efficacy and for the things that he's saying and people haven't understood what i've meant because

00:47:09.120 i've not been saying that he's right i've not been saying that his solutions are correct but what i am

00:47:13.260 saying is that people are underestimating the threat that he poses to us okay through yeah totally i

00:47:19.240 mean if you look at his numbers he hasn't uploaded a video in a couple of weeks i went through a period

00:47:22.700 where i was just obsessively watching all of his videos because i was just like we need to learn

00:47:25.540 from this guy okay he's effective his numbers are insane he pulls millions of views on all of

00:47:30.980 and if you can name me another channel on the uk political scene who can pull millions of views on

00:47:35.740 youtube i'm i've yet to hear it of a single guy in his kitchen right and you can say that he's

00:47:40.640 astroturfed and all the rest of it and i do think that's the case right but at the same time

00:47:44.600 you can't astroturf you know one and a half million views on every video no you know and there is a

00:47:49.720 real cut through and i can and i know that because in my own life i've heard people uh reference him

00:47:53.680 i've said this guy seems to really get it he seems to be a bit of a new kind of fresh thing and that's

00:47:58.400 the point i think uh because he is not a kind of rainbow flag waving ultra liberal he's recognizably

00:48:03.200 a leftist but he's he's he's uh certainly to young people who've only ever known the life i was

00:48:07.780 gonna say that so what's interesting yeah like someone of your age it's always been screeching harpy

00:48:12.220 since like 2010 yeah right and this is the point right and this this is a more sober form of class

00:48:17.560 conflict yeah if it is dare i say a more masculine form of left-wing politics and that has a certain

00:48:23.560 appeal that i feel right and i'm i'm a man of the right and i don't think his solutions are good

00:48:27.500 but there's a reason that i've been uh watching his videos which is that they're good and the

00:48:30.800 stuff he's saying is uh you know i can sit there and kind of if i switch my brain off i'm like yeah

00:48:34.200 this all makes total sense um and it's no surprise therefore that he is having such cut through

00:48:38.520 with young people because we've only ever known the left as you said as the kind of rainbow flag

00:48:42.920 waving pink-haired screeching ultra liberals well you know agents of capital yeah and and more

00:48:50.200 concerned with abstract ideas about transphobia and racism than in you know the affordability of

00:48:56.020 housing but you could see this guy having a pint with a wilson or callaghan or something you know

00:49:00.760 it is the left returning to what it always used to be and what it always used to platform yeah

00:49:05.320 yeah and so and i think another aspect that is interesting about stevenson is if you actually

00:49:10.140 you know drill into him as a man uh you know his whole story whether or not it's true because

00:49:15.360 there are people who think that he's embellishing a little bit which i can believe his story is

00:49:19.300 interesting right he's a self-made working class multi-millionaire um he's an ex-trader and you know

00:49:24.320 trader is one of the kind of most aspirational roles for a young man in the 21st century you think

00:49:29.080 of the wolf of wall street that's kind of a you know rightly or wrongly it's viewed as an

00:49:32.260 aspirational lifestyle and most controversially of all he is a white male right which is interesting

00:49:38.600 in and of itself the fact that that's interesting is kind of funny but well i saw i saw a post from

00:49:42.320 him on twitter the other day where he was he was saying that the thing that and this is what i mean

00:49:45.840 about the post woke left still embodies all of the woke left's worst aspects they just don't make a

00:49:51.280 big deal about it yeah uh for example so he had said oh the i think it's reform or farage or whoever

00:49:56.360 it was is always complaining about immigrants but they're never complaining about business and i just

00:49:59.600 retweeted this going it's incredible how we can't make the linkage between cheap labor exploitation

00:50:04.020 and big business right and they they deliberately keep this fracture there yeah in order to never

00:50:08.620 critique immigration and i was going to bring i was going to bring this up because he has he made a

00:50:13.140 video on immigration uh several months ago which was quite interesting because his take on immigration

00:50:18.160 is basically that it's a and it's a very standard kind of uh old left take which is that it's a

00:50:22.740 distraction by the capitalist class to have your ire directed towards the immigrant rather than to

00:50:27.660 the capitalist okay that's actually not that an that much of an old old left take actually because

00:50:33.260 back in say the 1980s you had people like bernie sanders jeremy corbyn they would have they would

00:50:37.960 have said well immigration is actually class warfare by the ruling class against the working

00:50:42.200 class the unions of the 60s and the 70s were very militant against immigration absolutely and this is

00:50:46.920 what's interesting and this is why you can tell that stevenson despite his uh radical aesthetics

00:50:51.700 despite the costume of the radical that he wears he remains an agent of the establishment because he is

00:50:56.420 not prepared to be truly radical okay can i give a very quick assessment of how his economics works

00:51:01.160 basically we're going to get to that in just a second if you want to just but he's relevant to

00:51:04.300 that point but i'll bring it back yeah yeah we will come back to that because the point with

00:51:08.420 stevenson and him embodying the kind of post woke left that i've been talking about is he's cutting

00:51:13.560 through in a way that the wokes never did because the things that he's describing are you know they

00:51:18.760 are the lived reality for a lot of people the real problems just right because since 2008 for example

00:51:22.940 he he labels wealth inequality as being the kind of cause of all evil in britain right and you know it's

00:51:29.860 quite a compelling argument because since 2008 well the wealth gap between you know the wealthy and the

00:51:34.340 normal people average people that is average wealth um has expanded by 50 percent uh with the top 10

00:51:39.980 becoming 280 000 pounds more wealthy uh and the poorest 10 seeing basically no increase and at the

00:51:46.700 same time the genie coefficient which is a i mean i'm not an economist so these are all quite alien

00:51:51.420 phrases to me uh but the genie coefficient which is basically a number that represents the degree of

00:51:55.700 inequality in a society with one representing one person having everything and zero representing

00:52:00.740 perfect equality the genie coefficient in britain is currently 0.59 which is high okay it's a high

00:52:06.060 degree of inequality and the median household income before housing costs fell by two percent

00:52:10.700 in 2023 in real terms people are getting poor i mean i talk about a lot of economics so so i mean i

00:52:15.840 agree with the underlying things that he's talking about and i talk about those too yeah um the problem

00:52:21.100 with him is is if you imagine a whole chain of of events that lead to you know from from starting

00:52:26.380 conditions to lead to an outcome yeah both of us are concerned about income inequality at the end

00:52:32.280 but what he does is is that's his entire world view sure yeah and so for him wealth inequality is both

00:52:39.480 the cause and the effect and the problem and the thing you need to address whereas my analysis looks at

00:52:45.720 the entire picture and i actually think okay there's stuff right at the beginning of the chain

00:52:49.200 yeah and so effectively what he's doing and what it brings it back to your point about how he's a he's

00:52:53.280 an agent of the system he doesn't want to change this entire system he only wants to do some extra

00:52:59.200 taxes right at the end wants to treat the symptoms so if he so if somebody like me wins i will change

00:53:04.060 fundamental assumptions around here around currency and the way the system works if he wins all he's

00:53:09.340 going to do is add an extra layer of taxation and protect the entire chain that got you there yeah

00:53:13.860 yeah and that's why he is ultimately still a subversive element because the solutions that

00:53:19.880 he offers which is just a kind of flat wealth tax tax the rich basically as if this is an argument

00:53:24.520 that we haven't played out as well they don't work right and and you know and it's currently not

00:53:29.380 working for starmer and this is the point is that's already what's happening right because uh here

00:53:34.580 oh sorry we've been through this um so well this this is a report from uh the house of commons library

00:53:41.380 um actually my apologies we've already been through that uh never mind i think i may have

00:53:48.160 forgotten to put the link in there not to worry it's all right um the point the point is um that

00:53:52.380 wealth taxes don't work right because and the government in the uk is already doing wealth

00:53:56.300 taxes in effect there was a report literally the other day yes it showed that the uk government is

00:54:01.200 not making the revenue they expected to make from the tax increase and the reason for that is because

00:54:05.340 of the things like the abolition of the non-domicile tax status um it's leading to capital flight you

00:54:10.820 know last year 10 000 millionaires a year and almost 11 000 last year oh really which is the equivalent

00:54:15.760 of half a million ordinary taxpayers jesus if you go to get an idea of the scale that we're working

00:54:20.640 here and the adam smith institute estimates that over the next uh 10 years um capital flight will cost

00:54:26.120 the uk economy 44 000 jobs and 111 billion pounds in growth right and so this there's this project that's

00:54:32.980 supposed to make life better for ordinary people actually is going to immiserate them further

00:54:36.640 um and that's to say nothing of things like the vat exemption on private school fees uh you know

00:54:41.840 the the inheritance tax on farms and all the rest of it um and so the point is the wealth tax as a

00:54:47.260 concept just doesn't work and this tpa uh report here um which came out in october of last year

00:54:53.580 showed that in every country where wealth taxes are tried they always fail right in the year 1990 12

00:55:00.220 uh nations were trying them and by 2017 uh eight of them had cancelled their their wealth tax policies

00:55:06.200 because what they lead to are capital flight uh limited revenue high administrative costs

00:55:10.840 and ultimately they are inefficient unpopular and unfair and and that will remain the case because

00:55:15.580 it just doesn't work we used to have wealth we used to have taxes i hate to do this but i feel

00:55:20.020 we're going a bit off the subject yes which is the there is a new left emerging anyway yes basically just

00:55:26.040 like the old left yes so to bring it back to the the topic at hand which is the emergence of the

00:55:30.480 post-woke left i'd like to open it up now to a bit of discussion about how you think unfortunately

00:55:34.440 we haven't got time oh okay well in that case i will conclude by saying that um whilst we uh whilst

00:55:40.840 we can't uh buy into the same solutions as stevenson and we can't advocate for basically socialism i don't

00:55:46.280 think we should be advocating for you know kind of untrammeled capitalism either because for the

00:55:49.860 majority of people um because of you know cultural efforts by the left capitalism thatcherism free

00:55:55.260 markets these are all negatively coded ideas and so i think right wing coded ideas yes which isn't

00:55:59.680 really fair yes right isn't actually radical capitalists because that's the point the true

00:56:03.360 right recognizes the that the economy needs to be enshrined ensconced within a larger framework a

00:56:08.000 metaphysical framework that serves the interests of ordinary people and serves the nation ultimately

00:56:12.220 in order to be effective because if the economy has made an end in and of itself uh then things go

00:56:17.060 wrong because everything is everything is sacrificed on the altar of profit and efficiency as we're seeing

00:56:22.100 happening to our nation how we've arrived at this point yeah can i ask a very quick question yes are

00:56:26.320 we going to see aoc in the white house i think that we may do at some point we'll see that depends on

00:56:31.180 how the longer conversation right so um i i want to talk about the ancient metaphysics of uh primitive

00:56:42.160 religions and how they affect us to this very day because there is a well-known phenomenon which is

00:56:49.580 the venus figurine as you can see on the screen here this almost all representations of uh women

00:56:58.800 have been in the form of venus figurines from as you can see the gravetian period so 26 000 to 21 000

00:57:05.560 years ago so back when mankind was living in small hunter-gatherer bands this was a deeply important

00:57:12.780 religious symbol it seems to those people because of course fertility and high infant mortality is a huge

00:57:18.060 issue and then you can go forward to about 10 000 years ago where you have here the sinister figure

00:57:25.960 of the seated woman of cattle hoyak now cattle hoyak uh from i think it's about 8 000 bc oh 6 000 bc

00:57:32.360 uh is neolithic sculpture just at the dawn of agriculture and as you can see here you have a

00:57:38.140 corpulent woman sitting in quite a grim and intimidating pose i think i've seen on an mns advert actually right

00:57:45.280 right now and this these these themes these overarching uh archetypes are the the things that

00:57:54.140 i want to talk about here and this is going to get quite esoteric but i'll show you why this is

00:57:58.140 important i think and i think it's important for us on the right to think about the things that are

00:58:03.040 being presented to us in this larger context of what is essentially moral revolutions that happened to

00:58:09.540 the human race over the last 10 000 years so a corpulent woman sat on a throne is actually

00:58:17.880 something we would expect to see from modern feminism but it's also what the earliest farmers

00:58:23.280 had as their representations of the highest as their idols spiritual idols exactly and in fact that's

00:58:30.520 exactly that that doesn't seem like a good idea to me well exactly and i'll tell you why you think

00:58:34.780 that in a minute uh the figure represented is a fertility goddess of course and uh you can see

00:58:39.880 she's in the process of giving birth while seated on her throne and she has hands resting on uh lions

00:58:45.960 and leopards as the mistress of animals motif and it's completely as you say as they say there in fact

00:58:51.660 similar to other corpulent prehistoric goddess figures um and this is very very interesting because

00:58:57.720 we can go to our friend frederick engels here in his origins of the family private property in the

00:59:03.720 state and in chapter nine uh he tells us what happened and why we don't have these symbols now

00:59:10.600 at least we didn't until very recently so he says this quote the division of labor in these early

00:59:15.360 societies was purely primitive between the sexes only they reached the master in their own sphere

00:59:19.160 the man in the forest the woman in the house and the housekeeping is communal among several and

00:59:22.960 many families and what is made is used in common this is the longhouse right but humanity did not

00:59:28.580 everywhere remain in the stage in asia they found animals that could be tamed and then once tamed

00:59:33.200 bred and of course what comes out of this is horse riding pastoral tribes therefore separated

00:59:39.000 themselves from the mass of the rest of the barbarians who are they they are on foot they are

00:59:44.140 uh the early farmers and they are constantly attached to the soil they are constantly attached to a

00:59:49.680 single location and they create corpulent goddess statues uh so but the pastoral tribes of sort of

00:59:57.420 western asia uh separate themselves and they produce not only more of the necessities of life

01:00:02.360 than the other barbarians but different ones they possess the advantage of them of not only having

01:00:06.420 milk but milk products and a great supply of meat and skins walls go hairspuns and woven fabrics so they

01:00:12.260 they start producing what we as men now think are the good parts of life right as in the bread is

01:00:17.980 actually not the good part of life it's the meat it's the milk yes airy it's leather it's horse riding

01:00:24.000 it's the masculine archetype comes from this the plain bread is just there to mop up the blood after

01:00:30.920 your steak precisely right whereas the the primitive farmers had the much more of the earth uh view of

01:00:38.400 their own lives right and so angles carries on uh to him therefore belong the cattle as into the man

01:00:43.720 and to him the commodities and the slaves received in exchange for the cattle all the surplus was the

01:00:48.680 acquisition of the necessaries of life now yielded fell to the man and the woman shared in its

01:00:52.920 enjoyment but had no part in its ownership so you can see how the man suddenly becomes predominant

01:00:58.660 because in the thesis of marx and engels the the productive forces gain political power and if you

01:01:05.440 have uh the productive force of giving birth as the sort of primary thing that people are thinking about

01:01:10.700 well that with it comes political power however if the productive force is now actually we've got loads

01:01:16.480 and loads of resources and loads of cattle and we are now sort of heroic men riding horses around the

01:01:21.880 steps well you can see why these people begin to predominate instead and so he says the savage

01:01:27.020 warrior and hunter had been content to take second place in the house after the woman the gentlest shepherd

01:01:32.780 in the arrogance of his wealth pushed himself forward to the first place and woman down to the second

01:01:37.500 place and this was done during the the indo-european expansion what is archaically called the aryan expansion

01:01:45.320 but the based indo-europeans with their horses and chariots came and absolutely curb stomped

01:01:53.220 everyone everywhere across the entire of the indo-eurasian continent uh every corner of it they

01:02:02.380 trashed the mother the matriarchal civilizations and they made them the second class citizens they made

01:02:10.340 them the slaves of the indo-european ruling class uh so the based indo-europeans create an expressly

01:02:17.740 hierarchical rule and this is reflected in the mythology so you may be familiar with the titanomarchy

01:02:23.580 which is the story of how zeus overthrows chronos so in in and this is a a very common motif that you see

01:02:32.840 in practically every pagan religion and what it's describing is the world before the invention of

01:02:38.980 agriculture then the world in the invention of agriculture then the indo-european conquests and

01:02:45.080 it's it's fascinating how it's just such a universal motif but of course if it's the indo-europeans

01:02:50.140 conquering everywhere they bring the same story with them and so in in the beginning you have uh man as

01:02:56.020 tiny hunter gathering tribes and the world is terrifying and scary and unknowable but then you

01:03:01.580 get the sort of regulation of the uh farming the earliest farmers and to them their gods are kind

01:03:09.840 of gross right so for example um you've got during the tyrannical and degenerate reign of cronus who is

01:03:16.320 the god who unleashed chaos and darkness by castrating his father uranus uh who then cursed cronus to have his

01:03:24.540 children rebel in his own stead so cronus rather than doing something good and decent noble decides to

01:03:30.280 eat his own children to prevent them from being able to rebel uh this is a a deeply sort of lunar

01:03:36.540 archetype this is a cruel selfish callous god and this is the god of the primitive farmers and cronus

01:03:46.360 himself marries his own sister has children with her and then eats his own children but ria his sister

01:03:52.420 tricks cronus into eating a rock instead of zeus and zeus represents the sky father god of the indo-europeans

01:04:00.260 uh and zeus makes cronus vomits out vomit out his own siblings they then wage war on the titans and

01:04:05.840 the uh primordial gods and of course zeus and the olympian gods win and they bring about the

01:04:11.580 classical style gods that we think of when we read the iliad zeus is and in the iliad zeus is

01:04:17.420 represented really really fairly right so on on one hand you've got a series of gods who are like we

01:04:21.940 hate the trojans we want them destroyed on the other hand you've got um aries and um uh what's the love

01:04:27.900 goddess what's the love god that's it yeah uh see yeah yeah on the other side saying no we like the

01:04:33.380 trojans please and so they're both trying to persuade zeus to deal even handedly with or destroy or the

01:04:40.420 other and zeus is in the middle saying no look they're all my children right i'm the god of

01:04:44.760 everyone i can't just do one thing or the other and eventually um god what's zeus's wife's name now

01:04:51.280 hera uh hera tricks zeus into essentially not paying attention by seducing him and they manage

01:04:59.380 to trash the trojans but the point being is zeus is a fair-handed god right he isn't self-interested

01:05:04.200 he is the the the father of everyone and so he is he is concerned for everyone and so you can

01:05:09.820 instantly see the difference between zeus and cronus right zeus is bringing justice and order whereas

01:05:15.520 cronus is trying to desperately maintain his own power at the expense of everyone else there is

01:05:21.020 nothing to base or gross or degenerate for cronus to do that he won't do he will castrate his own

01:05:28.180 father he will marry his own sister and he will eat his own children right he would absolutely fit

01:05:33.520 in in the global elite oh he absolutely would but zeus is duty bound by morality to overthrow this

01:05:39.980 he is to bring in a a just lawful order in which both sides are recognized to have legitimate claims

01:05:46.640 on what is happening and this is what he does and it's no coincidence then that like

01:05:51.300 zeus and the other indo-europeans uh european religions they all render their i mean zeus means

01:05:59.080 something like sky father right it means the because and you can think of it from the perspective of the

01:06:04.960 indo-aryans on the great plains of asia they've got this the vastness of the sky there's no there's it's

01:06:10.620 all sky in front of you and so the ruler of the heavens is the command of the wind and the storms

01:06:15.420 and the rain and he he is something above the earth he is transcendent and many of the ancient

01:06:22.360 heroes uh so are emulating the sky father archetype and mythologically we see them well overthrowing

01:06:30.540 the earthbound telluric chthonic mother goddesses the den mothers who sit on their squat corpulent

01:06:39.660 bodies on the thrones and then just take they follow the example of cronus and this is what

01:06:45.300 perseus and medusa are about perseus is of course going into medusa's cave to behead her to bring her

01:06:52.140 back and you see this again in many things like gilgamesh is another excellent example of this we did

01:06:57.340 like a four-hour dissection and uh in interrogation of the epic of gilgamesh which was i know you're

01:07:03.600 a fan of his story this is probably my favorite piece of content on the website go and look at it

01:07:07.400 it'll be in the show notes um and it's incredible because you've got such a good example of this so

01:07:11.920 gilgamesh and his brother enkidu kill the monster humbaba which is terrorizing the people of lebanon

01:07:17.880 in the cedar forest and so gilgamesh is it's he's duty bound to come and bring order to it so we can

01:07:23.720 get cedars from lebanon so he goes and kills him baba and then he returns to uruk and the goddess

01:07:28.640 ishtar who in sumerian is inana but akkadian ishtar and ishtar is easy to say uh becomes infatuated with

01:07:34.380 gilgamesh she's like oh wow this guy's amazing i'm going to go down and try and seduce him uh and

01:07:39.000 ishtar is a cruel selfish goddess of erotic desire fertility procreation and destruction she delights

01:07:46.820 in chaos and she demands respect and submission no matter who it's from even though the gods kings no

01:07:53.220 matter who it is right and in some myths i mean she even threatens to break open the gates of the

01:07:58.560 underworld and bring out all the dead to consume all of the living if she doesn't get her way and

01:08:04.240 so you can see in exactly the chronos and archetype the the i'm just thinking hillary clinton here but

01:08:09.120 exactly there is nothing i won't do if you don't give me my way i will ruin life for everyone right

01:08:15.300 and it is the solar masculine aspect that has to predominate over this lunar feminine aspect in order to

01:08:21.900 make sure that justice and righteousness is brought to the earth because the the the ishtar style

01:08:26.920 goddess will say no i'll ruin everything if you don't just give me what i want and that has to be

01:08:31.580 stopped if i could just come in very quickly i mean i'm sorry i know you're not a man of faith

01:08:36.840 i i'm a catholic right and i can't help but see certain well just certain things worth commenting on

01:08:43.220 in what you're saying which is that the first thing is that civilization that was most successful

01:08:47.660 in uh ancient times was the one that recognized that the governing uh transcendent principle of

01:08:54.120 the universe is father-like in nature as opposed to uh you know like either something selfish or like

01:09:01.180 a slave driver or something it's actually a father who loves you father who cares about you which is

01:09:05.220 itself obviously a very christian idea it's an early manifestation of all of this yeah i would argue

01:09:11.160 that it's it's more of a it's just a recognition of reality uh oh it is yeah i agree yeah um and the

01:09:17.520 second thing i would say is just in in the way that these symbols uh kind of continuously re-emerge

01:09:23.220 a related symbol i think is the one in exodus um of the uh the golden calf right the golden bull

01:09:30.400 bull calf um and what that is is a you know it's a symbol it's not quite the same in that it's not the

01:09:36.720 feminine aspect but it's it's it's almost the opposite in that it's a an excess of masculinity

01:09:41.440 what what what it is is the subsuming of things and of categories right so it is it is the the the

01:09:50.220 the solar aspect really is about definition and construction and so it separates the good from the

01:09:55.280 bad yeah order what exactly order whereas like you say with the golden calf uh it represents the

01:10:00.500 destruction of categories yes the subsuming of good into evil to corrupt the whole thing yes because

01:10:05.600 because two points very quickly the first is it's it represents the worship of you know money it's

01:10:10.620 made of gold money it's a bull masculinity power strength and what it leads to when the israelites

01:10:16.120 are worshiping the golden calf is a kind of insane period of just you know orgiastic sex and yeah

01:10:22.100 degeneracy you know all the while moses who is the father figure is absent this is the ethos of the

01:10:27.800 mother god the the the den mother cult this is how she controls her people now it's important to

01:10:34.000 remember that this is not just a man woman thing right there are there are solar women and lunar

01:10:38.720 men and in fact the lunar men are what jordan peterson's talking about when the weak men take

01:10:42.520 over spiritually weak men he's talking about physically they can be very strong they can be

01:10:46.460 very bellicos they can declare war they can fight wars they can win wars and they can do terrible

01:10:50.640 things it's not that they're physically weak it's that they are morally crippled yeah and it is up to

01:10:56.060 the sky father to fix this and so anyway just to get back to this quickly uh ishtar is not in

01:11:02.300 any way uh submissive or confined to traditional roles and in fact in the in the mythology she

01:11:07.200 ruins her own husband her own husband is a guy called tammuz he's the god of life and she's lovely

01:11:11.300 he's lovely he's very kind he loves her and she betrays him and condemns him to an eternity in the

01:11:16.040 underworld so when she goes to gilgamesh and says gilgamesh i'm kind of into you you're a bit of a

01:11:19.840 chad he's like piss off whore i have and he literally just he rejects her saying piss off whore

01:11:26.340 i've seen all of these guys because she's got a list of guys she's ruined right and he just body count

01:11:31.100 he lists her body count and says you've ruined all of these men why would you think i'm your

01:11:34.920 thought go away so so how does ishtar take it does she take it well no she goes to her father anu who's

01:11:40.160 like the sort of myth or primordial king of the gods and he's like look release the bull of heaven

01:11:44.260 which wreaks havoc on the land kills thousands of people again yeah exactly but kills thousands of

01:11:49.220 people you know suddenly so out of her resentment and a pain of rejection she's prepared to just wreak havoc

01:11:55.600 and destroy and kill loads of people and of course gilgamesh and enkidu slay the bull of heaven

01:11:59.820 and then enkidu takes the buttocks and throws it in her face to humiliate her the the point being is

01:12:06.140 that this is very similar to and very much encapsulated in julius avola's revolt against

01:12:11.300 the modern world which is an entirely spiritual text talking about this trans transference of moral

01:12:18.860 authority from the from the earliest uh agricultural lowest to the ground civilizations to the solar

01:12:29.180 aspect that comes with the indo-europeans the transcendence of the heavens and actually the

01:12:34.100 setting of order that is good for everyone and not just for the power-seeking selfish people who

01:12:38.880 are in charge i don't know if i'm sort of stepping on where you're going with this but i can't help be

01:12:42.460 thinking about the situation you are you are okay but i'll hold it back then so uh so the the solar

01:12:47.540 aspect is represented in masculinity it's the mythology of the north it's the sun the sky the

01:12:52.200 light authority transcendence masculine force and so we get heroic aristocratic warrior based

01:12:56.880 civilizations the roman empire for example the indo-european traditions uh imperial japan ancient

01:13:02.300 iran uh he he says islam as well in fact it's another thing for him but the point that is that

01:13:07.980 there probably is a solar yeah in a way i've got criticisms of it but like fine we'll just let it

01:13:12.800 go for now right but the solar man is setting an order which is designed to bring justice to the

01:13:17.080 entire civilization he is not just serving himself in fact most of the time it's self-sacrifice that

01:13:23.140 require there's required to bring this about on the other aspect we have the lunar man the mythology of

01:13:28.340 the south where the earth is excessively fertile and provides everything for you without any hard work

01:13:34.120 or any differentiation between good and bad quality and uh being poor and so this is symbolized by the

01:13:42.320 moon the the earth caves facility passivity femininity and you get the sort of matriarchal agrarian

01:13:48.980 uh societies that come out of this and this means that the the the cattle hoyic archetype of the

01:13:57.200 the corpulent den mother on her throne is it's designed to serve her in a tyrannical made me

01:14:03.700 uh way to provide for her baseless desires so she can become fecund and continue to replicate this

01:14:09.460 if i just make a very quick point this is a conversation i've had actually with my fiance

01:14:12.940 of all people recently about the fact that pathological femininity then the the uh the

01:14:17.980 tendency of pathological femininity is to expand whereas the tendency of pathological masculinity

01:14:22.600 is to retract and to become small i think these are kind of related concepts absolutely it's entirely

01:14:29.340 the ethos and the reason i'm telling all of you people this is because i i want you to have this

01:14:34.580 kind of image in your mind right there are two different ways of doing civilization and for the

01:14:39.240 last couple of thousand years we've had the chad indo-european sky fathers in various guises you

01:14:45.960 know i'm not trying to make truth claims but the the general um ethos has been of the sky father

01:14:52.760 and his structuring and order through the patriarchal realm and engels is he's furious about this he's

01:15:00.300 like no look the only way this can work the the communism can work is we return to the ethos of

01:15:04.760 the den mother where actually everything is undifferentiated and returns to the earth and is

01:15:10.160 the lowest common denominator it's difficult to imagine you could understand at that level and

01:15:13.560 still choose it yes yes so i mean yeah no that's precisely correct and that that's why

01:15:18.660 anything that infuriates engels is as an ally of mine uh so you know god save the sky father but

01:15:24.540 just as a quick quote from revolt just uh does this sound familiar right during festivals that

01:15:29.640 celebrated chthonic goddesses and the return of men to the great mother all men felt themselves to be

01:15:34.680 free and equal caste and class distinctions no longer could be applied but could be freely overturned

01:15:39.500 and a general licentiousness and pleasure in promiscuity tended to be rather widespread

01:15:43.580 because they are trying to return us to the civilization of the den mother yes because

01:15:49.600 prior to this we had standards we had exclusion we had status we had good against bad recognized as

01:15:57.860 being different and that's all the earthy religions of the previous whereas they're basically promoting

01:16:04.080 the old version of men for harris or whatever they called it yes white guys white guys yeah and so

01:16:11.460 have you ever seen the film 13th warrior i have not right you should watch it right zoomers right

01:16:18.000 go on netflix or wherever you can find this go and watch 13th warrior because this is such a perfect

01:16:23.340 pop culture representation of everything that i've just been talking about and it's kind of crazy how

01:16:29.220 it presages it so the the the the norse warriors are of course pagans who are the followers of odin and

01:16:34.260 they take an arab along with them to discover what is actually important about their religion so uh somewhere

01:16:39.300 in the north of norway uh a town is being attacked by these kind of cave dwelling savages and it's

01:16:46.760 where have these come from but there are hordes of them hordes of these absolute cannibal savages and

01:16:52.060 so the 13 warriors have been requested to come and save them and in the process of this look at what they

01:16:57.260 find a venus den mother icon and they're like oh god this is weird and they and so we're seeing a direct

01:17:05.060 conflict between the telluric uh debased cannibal society versus the heroic knowledge because they're

01:17:12.760 very much masculine energy 100 12 guys who are bound together by sort of tradition and blood and

01:17:19.320 shared customs and culture and the 13th guy is is not bound by any of that but he wins his position

01:17:26.520 through merit and through proving himself precisely correct he he does the right thing for the right

01:17:31.700 reasons this is the den mother you can see the snake around her and that that claw she's got is a

01:17:36.860 poison uh that she scratches people with and it's up to bulvi the leader to go and fight her and he

01:17:43.880 does fight her but she scratches him in the process and so bulvi dies in the final battle i was hoping

01:17:49.360 you're going to do the prayer i love this yes the the so you can see the prayer and you can see that

01:17:54.060 this is directly solar masculine and exclusive and hierarchical and he dies in the last battle

01:18:01.220 poisoned but fighting to the death uh against the hordes of the now furious cannibals who come out of

01:18:08.180 the caves because he's killed the den mother uh but they win of course because this is how these things

01:18:12.740 work do we have time to read the prayer for those who are listening you go ahead it is good it's look

01:18:16.740 there i see my father look there i see my mother and my sisters of my brothers look there i see the line

01:18:21.900 of my people back to the beginning look they do call to me they bid me to take my place amongst

01:18:27.620 them in the halls of valhalla where brave men lie forever i mean what a sentiment it's amazing and so

01:18:33.340 yes he dies during the battle but it's epic and it's amazing you should go and watch this film

01:18:37.360 because it actually exactly represents the conflict between these two ways of being that i'm talking

01:18:43.700 about now and so the reason i bring all this up is because which way of being does this represent

01:18:49.920 the idol has emerged again yes i mean it's it's almost the same statue just bigger it's i mean

01:18:58.300 like to like it's so for those who are listening we've now got the um the v12 figure but a 12 foot

01:19:06.120 version that's been put in what new york well let's let's see how it's described in the headline

01:19:09.320 12 foot plus sized black woman statue who wants to talk to manager that's yes described in that uh yeah

01:19:15.060 but that's precisely what we have and uh there's a this is the return of the den mother the return

01:19:23.700 of the self-centered corpulent excessive uh selfish way of living that feminism has brought about

01:19:32.140 un-excellent uninspiring absolutely there is there is no standard there is just me yeah there is just

01:19:38.060 the devouring ego of the den mother you could almost have like a caption on that image of just

01:19:44.060 me yeah no that's precisely it and in fact like they've got a quote from the uh author of this

01:19:50.220 piece the artist uh this was installed at ground level on a low white base the work invites engagement

01:19:54.600 with hundreds of thousands of people who traverse the plazas every day the woman in grounded in the

01:19:59.240 stars cuts a stark contrast to the pedestaled permanent monuments both both white both men so there are two

01:20:04.760 white men monuments uh that she's between uh while she's quote embodying a quiet gravity and grandeur

01:20:11.700 but there's well she definitely has gravity i'll give her that she i mean don't get me wrong i'm not

01:20:16.980 saying that you know she doesn't grab attention but for what reason right now the the two statues of

01:20:22.880 the white men are men who did things yeah you'll be surprised that you'll be surprised contrast yeah

01:20:28.480 they're real men who one of them is a famous actor and then the other is a chaplain in the u.s

01:20:34.380 military who i can't remember much about his story but he did something important i looked at wikipedia

01:20:39.000 very briefly but the point is they're there for reasons they're not there for themselves they are

01:20:44.960 there because they helped others well and go back to your points of the 13 warriors i mean they i mean

01:20:48.980 if you watch the film they're very much aware that they're probably all going to die yep but they're

01:20:54.060 doing it for a reason they're doing it because i have to do it uphold a transcendent yes and upholding

01:21:00.180 all of those things that were in that prayer that we talked about just a minute ago and as you're so

01:21:04.080 right charlie this is just there is nothing beyond her but it's it's downward it's like spiritually

01:21:09.780 downward facing whereas the other two i imagine are spiritually upward face she wants to be on us

01:21:16.320 on a throne in a cave with you bowing her feet and providing her the resources yeah she provides

01:21:21.720 nothing absolutely nothing just consumes it is all about her is the most self-centered thing i've ever

01:21:28.800 seen in my life this is just yeah i'm important because i am yeah and it's like well i'm sorry

01:21:33.680 that's not how the sky father has these things i don't agree i do think secular people uh that

01:21:39.600 massively underestimate the importance of these symbols because we you know this is in times

01:21:43.720 square right millions of people will see this and and it will be whether it's in their peripheral

01:21:47.380 vision or directly it will be it will make an imprint on their psyche and that does actually have

01:21:51.540 a real effect because again what is being embodied what's being celebrated and worshipped

01:21:56.120 here well it's not excellence as we've been saying and i find it so fascinating which is your point

01:22:00.800 carl how these images and idols always come back they always re-manifest themselves especially in

01:22:06.620 times of chaos as well because we live in a time of chaos and surprise surprise people are worshipping

01:22:10.860 the self ultimately and this is the entire point of it it's the dark heart of the den mother that is

01:22:17.020 being on display here is the the selfish tyranny of the lunar archetype and they are just open about it i

01:22:22.860 mean and the thing is the reason they get away with this is because we just don't think in these

01:22:26.620 terms anymore it's like no i want the heroic solar masculine who conquers and sets the righteous order

01:22:32.400 for everyone not someone who represents a selfish consuming tyranny yeah and i i really think this is

01:22:38.640 actually important i say this you know as someone who's an atheist who couldn't help but read a bunch

01:22:42.880 of this stuff and go yeah no this does map onto a bunch of things that are happening actually

01:22:46.220 and i think this is just such a perfect example this is the modern venus statue yeah

01:22:50.280 modern woman as one as one just other point there is a statue of a golden calf on wall street yes

01:22:55.400 there is what does that tell you it's another one of these things people just walk past and

01:22:58.300 these things matter yeah and these are deep symbols the symbols that we have around us matter but your

01:23:03.400 point about how um the sort of solar masculine empires in the in the middle ages you know curb stomped

01:23:09.460 everybody else oh no in the middle ages yeah okay yeah previously in in the ancient era you know

01:23:15.240 we're entering another year now and i strongly believe in geopolitics the time of the sort of managed

01:23:20.020 um consensus is over and the age of um hard power is beginning your soft power is coming back yes the

01:23:26.880 age of great men the age of hard power over soft power over managerialism and at the moment that is

01:23:32.540 only represented in something like china and perhaps russia you know those kind of solar empires

01:23:37.180 the west needs to get its act together and become a solar empire once again otherwise that whole curb

01:23:44.100 stomping thing is going to happen again yes us yes well yeah exactly if we become the the weakened

01:23:51.240 civilization of the den mother well yes if we don't stop yeah if we don't reverse this trend then we're

01:23:58.680 in trouble uh but we'll leave that there um pizza pointed out that is the day today we were we're

01:24:04.160 going to do something about tomorrow i think uh it's it's not that we don't obviously i've got my

01:24:08.040 little pin badge there it's not that we're obviously not thankful uh it's things are time

01:24:12.900 based uh unfortunately anyway um do we have video comments today samson uh hector says uh the main

01:24:18.860 reason trump isn't being radical is the judiciary keeps stonewalling him legally and uh should he

01:24:23.360 violate in any way they'll use it as excuse to impeach him and he's trying to give them as little

01:24:27.160 ammunition as possible yeah now that that is a fair point uh it is at the moment ruled by judges in

01:24:32.000 america stephen miller's making this point very persuasively frankly because i mean they just

01:24:36.460 shouldn't have the authority to do what they are doing is very clear but we'll talk about that

01:24:40.940 another time let's uh let's go for it i need a weapon

01:24:45.480 okay

01:25:01.500 okay moving on

01:25:15.300 let's go to the next one so i've got a couple of dollars here but this one

01:25:21.420 has been freshly minted and you know this because on the back of it

01:25:26.060 you've got all king charles well this one here

01:25:30.300 it's got queen elizabeth we haven't made too much of a difference with our

01:25:35.200 currencies lately we've just minted this one last year as you can see from the date

01:25:40.440 frank here although you can't see it very well this is a two dollar one which is uh the last one

01:25:47.620 of the minted of the late queen elizabeth why do the australians use dollars not pounds

01:25:53.740 yeah it's very subversive yeah i don't like sort it out lads yeah it's been a very strange time here

01:25:59.580 in canada since trump took office the hitherto docile canadian people to whom the word patriot was

01:26:04.500 roughly synonymous with third positionist are suddenly boycotting american products and flying

01:26:08.200 canadian flags everywhere turn on cbc in any given day and you'll be seeing unironic blood and soil

01:26:13.000 arguments that the american and canadian peoples are simply too distinct to truly mix with constant

01:26:17.820 appeals to the canadian identity of course none of this when harry trudeau was importing millions

01:26:21.980 of people claiming that there's no such thing as canadian culture or proudly announcing that canada

01:26:26.120 is the first post-national state i should like to imagine this energy might be more productively

01:26:30.400 oriented but i fear time is fast running out yeah i watched uh dave green's podcast fiddler's green

01:26:36.480 podcast talking about this he visited canada thinks he's american with an american license plate on his

01:26:40.960 car and so he was just getting racially abused yeah being in america wild when he went to like

01:26:45.780 certain like canadian stores and stuff that like natively canadian stores and it's just like jesus

01:26:51.000 christ like canadian boomer nationalism is on the rise yeah infinite immigrants but no infinite

01:26:57.160 indians but no americans i can't wrap my head around canada i really can't i don't know enough

01:27:00.620 about i don't i think i think i think it's canadian boomers is the primary issue it's yeah perennial

01:27:05.420 boomer let's go to the next one carny is an incompetent and a security risk americans won't know

01:27:11.220 about the socialist payments between provinces but the british will recognize it as a parallel

01:27:15.440 to the barnet formula in order to pay for carny's incompetence alberta and saskatchewan will be

01:27:20.940 screwed footing the bill this gives trump exactly what he wants they may consider seceding and trump

01:27:27.060 will give them incentives this is how trump turns canada into the 51st state the chinese will try to

01:27:33.140 prop carny up but they will fail and instead rip canada apart for trump to sweep up i mean that is a

01:27:39.960 bold prediction yeah i like look forward to seeing how that plays out i mean it's actually the other

01:27:44.220 the quebec and that northern bit um natura that's the bit he needs to control the arctic um yeah going

01:27:51.200 in between greenland but i suppose you can do it piece by piece let's go to the next one afternoon

01:27:55.460 lotus thesis i was just looking for your opinion on our hypothesis of mine i came to when doing the

01:28:00.260 research for military elective monarchy and the precursor to english hegemony that the anglo is

01:28:06.580 really at his peak when he embodies this holy trinity of latin honor germanic invention and work

01:28:12.620 ethic and then quite frankly our love of small towns and this tolkien-esque hobbit-like behavior

01:28:18.580 thanks very much that's one for you cole um honestly it's it's we've only got two minutes left

01:28:25.840 i don't have time to get into it um but i will i will i will consider doing something on that

01:28:31.000 because i think there is something to be said for it let's get to the next one

01:28:34.320 i wonder what this is representing yes i can get it yes let's get to the next one

01:28:50.360 do not come i'm gonna come

01:28:54.780 jeff bezos came bill gates came mark zuckerberg came many of them came numerous times the bankers

01:29:03.880 have all come okay highbrow content yeah yeah thanks to these guys related to my first segment

01:29:10.540 like yeah um someone online points out that zeus also married his own sister and he was a slave to

01:29:14.980 his base desires look man i was summarizing many thousands of years of mythology uh give me a

01:29:19.940 break zeus never ate his own kids all right um arizona desert rat says uh how much you want to

01:29:27.340 bet the feminists interpreted gilgamesh's rejection of ishtar as an early represented representation of

01:29:32.300 the oppressed patriarchy yeah i mean you can easily find gilgamesh being represented as a base

01:29:35.900 misogynist hero uh so yes they they of course absolutely do um uh cronus is a leftist confirmed yeah

01:29:43.360 i mean this is the thing all of the all of these things are is genuinely the ethos between left and

01:29:48.460 right but this is the it's more it's older forms mapping themselves onto you know our modern political

01:29:53.440 spectrum as we think of it because that haven't actually changed that much exactly this is the

01:29:57.920 human nature doesn't change the human condition hasn't changed exactly therefore you know these

01:30:02.080 things you know if allowed to they will always re-manifest and re-emerge but this this is why young

01:30:06.980 men have to think about embodying the solar archetype you have to be the person who sets the order

01:30:11.480 it's just going to be that simple and it's difficult and often it involves self-sacrifice

01:30:15.460 but uh you get a better world out of it at the end unfortunately on that note we are out of time

01:30:20.380 which is real shame because i'd love to have talked about this way way more yeah likewise um but uh

01:30:25.220 charlie where can people find more of you uh you can find me at cfdowns underscore on all social

01:30:29.820 media platforms again i would encourage you to go and buy tickets to the is woke dead debate that's

01:30:34.200 happening on the 4th of june in london it's going to be a lot of fun otherwise you can see all of my

01:30:37.500 work at cfdowns.uk thanks so much for coming on and we will see you in half an hour for calvin's

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 08, 2025

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