The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1163

00:00:00.000 hello good afternoon and welcome to the podcast of the lotus eaters it's number 1163 incredibly

00:00:06.760 how quickly the time flies and it is tuesday the 13th of may in the year of our law 2025

00:00:12.900 and i am joined by luca johnson and pharesmo dad how are you guys hello really good good good so

00:00:19.040 today it's just a lightweight one we're just talking about rivers of blood organized sex

00:00:25.900 trafficking and israel so uh i guess uh well let's just kick off so the first segment is uh we're

00:00:34.980 going to talk about enoch power starma we are and yeah that sort of thing yeah okay so uh yeah good

00:00:41.400 afternoon uh the first thing to mention is the fact that it was a remarkable sight yesterday

00:00:46.800 watching uh kia starma perfect the dark art of necromancy as he brought enoch powell's specter

00:00:55.420 from beyond the grave uh once again and now obviously as you've seen you know today how

00:01:00.700 fast things move you can't go an entire you can't go a road without seeing the storm troopers

00:01:06.300 now patrolling the streets to obviously kick out all of these immigrants that um he who knew he's

00:01:13.060 our guy yeah kia starma we're getting our country back finally yeah well thanks to kia starma

00:01:20.120 but um of course i'm joking but we'll go more into his actual speech in in a moment i just wanted to

00:01:27.500 say before we begin though that um it's um a tremendous honor to to say that as of the start

00:01:33.720 of next week monday 19th i'm going to be joining lotus eaters as a full-time writer presenter uh i mean

00:01:42.120 i've i've had an amazing time so far just you're making guest contributions doing epochs with you

00:01:48.700 but uh i'm so excited for the opportunity ahead and i know that the role as a presenter is obviously

00:01:56.280 so important to keeping you guys engaged and wanting to uh listen more so i'm just going to do the best

00:02:02.740 job that i can do and uh i hope you enjoy my contribution welcome aboard thank you welcome aboard

00:02:08.480 thank you um right so moving on so here is kia starma's speech from five years ago and we should

00:02:19.560 just watch it because it's the perfect welcome migrants we don't scapegoat them low wages poor

00:02:27.820 housing poor public services are not the fault of migrants and people who've come here they're

00:02:33.780 political failure political failure so we have to make the case for the benefits of migration

00:02:41.980 yeah sorry it sounds like he's in a wind tunnel don't know what's going on there but as you can

00:02:47.540 see from this speech it's five years ago and also this was just as a boris wave was about to commence

00:02:54.040 so little did we know that it was going to be a case of out of the frying pan into the fire

00:02:58.680 with all of this stuff um but obviously that spit that 20 seconds there is broadly speaking

00:03:06.600 the politics the status quo that we've grown up with for well certainly the entirety of my lifetime

00:03:15.140 it's the open borders globalist position isn't it just absolutely not in the interest of the

00:03:20.820 the native people of the island it's it's the idea that people are not differentiated in any way

00:03:26.960 that anyone from anywhere fits in in any location but somehow magically it only goes one way

00:03:33.940 because you don't find english indians but you do find indian british and i'm sort of confused as to

00:03:43.120 why it goes one way but that the but not the other yeah yeah well i think that confusion is really the

00:03:50.920 reason why we've come to this point now isn't it as of because really the entire project is built upon

00:03:58.240 layer upon layer of contradictions and fantasies and uh you know you and i were saying weren't we

00:04:04.120 before we came on air that if it had been a single fantasy of say net zero or 300 000 immigrants a year

00:04:12.360 there's had more chance of getting away with it it's the fact that they've tried to force so many

00:04:17.900 fantasies simultaneously that the whole political system has just reached breaking point yes absolute

00:04:24.780 breaking point and so it should be no surprise with that breaking point here that now conversely

00:04:31.260 from that speech i just showed kia starmer's now saying things like this i'm gonna let it play for just

00:04:38.080 a little bit good morning today we publish a white paper on immigration a strategy absolutely central

00:04:47.440 to my plan for change that will finally take back control of our borders and close the book on a

00:04:56.880 squalid chapter for our politics our economy and our country take back control everyone knows that slogan

00:05:07.380 and everyone knows what it meant on immigration or at least that's what people thought because what

00:05:16.900 followed from the previous government starting with the people who used that slogan was the complete

00:05:24.660 opposite between 2019 and 2023 even as they were going around our country telling people with a straight

00:05:34.020 face that they would get immigration down net migration quadrupled until in 2023 it reached nearly 1 million

00:05:46.340 that's about the population of birmingham our second largest city that's not control it's chaos

00:05:55.620 and look they must answer for themselves but i don't think that you can do something like that

00:06:04.580 by accident it was a choice a choice made even as they told you told the country they were doing the

00:06:14.420 opposite a one nation experiment in open borders conducted on a country that voted for control

00:06:22.980 i'll leave it there a couple of quick things he's absolutely right yes so people like

00:06:31.060 pretty patel and swear the brethren and james cleverly yeah like absolutely absolute liars did the

00:06:36.260 opposite um but i don't trust him though like you're sounding tough but i absolutely don't trust him to do

00:06:45.060 anything different no i i don't think he has any i think what he's trapped with is that he must use this

00:06:52.420 rhetoric but he is going he hasn't shown any willingness to do anything that enforces this rhetoric

00:07:01.700 and let's say he brings the numbers down from 1 million to 800 000 or half a million or even a

00:07:09.300 quarter of a million that's still pretty extreme yeah right for a country with a population of 50 60 million

00:07:16.420 um so he's saying the right things for now and making his base extremely angry and creating a big grift

00:07:25.700 within the left between the various ethnic alliances and the extreme left ideologues around net zero open

00:07:34.420 borders etc um that's going to cost him politically especially if he doesn't follow up

00:07:41.380 he can't bill half a million net migration as a success story that's just not credible

00:07:48.740 no you'd think well you know obviously going back to the time when enoch powell was speaking about all

00:07:54.500 of this stuff he was talking about a time when immigration was at about 30 000 a year 50 000 a year

00:08:01.460 and even then you know powell was speaking about how untenable this was in the long run that all of the

00:08:06.820 things that this would lead to and so i suppose really it's only natural that i didn't play it

00:08:14.020 here because everyone's already seen it but one of the things that starmer goes on to say in this

00:08:18.500 speech is that we will become an island of strangers if this is allowed to continue elephant in the room

00:08:25.460 of course is that we are already there that is already the case if you go to ilford or dagenham or

00:08:32.660 or swindon then you do already feel almost anywhere yes almost anywhere yeah there's very few places

00:08:40.340 now that aren't touched by it and i i actually think that that might well not might but i think that

00:08:46.420 really does tie into why the the scent the force and anger you can feel it rising because all of those

00:08:55.220 places that 10 years ago 20 years ago were reasonably unaffected reasonably shielded from mass immigration

00:09:04.500 the tories and then the boris wave in particular has really just shoved it all in their faces it's

00:09:11.460 impossible to hide from it now there are no more carpets left to sweep this under yes yes and remember

00:09:19.860 the original policy objective of tony blair and co was to rub the noses of the right in diversity

00:09:27.540 this was a conscious policy choice he's blaming it on the conservatives rightly so because they

00:09:33.220 deserve an enormous amount of blame but this was the consensus position this was the centrist position

00:09:40.180 and the extreme position was simply stating the fact that different cultures are different and that

00:09:46.420 different countries are in fact unique and if you want to preserve them you want to preserve their

00:09:50.820 uniqueness radical stuff very revolutionary stuff crazy stuff yes one tiny fedora tipping note i might

00:09:58.020 add is that um there's an old usage for the word strangers like in shakespeare you'll find they'll

00:10:04.020 talk about strangers and that just means foreigners because you see the the the modern colloquial use of

00:10:09.540 the word stranger just means someone you don't know but i think i'm pretty sure enoch power was using

00:10:13.540 it in the old uh usage by strangers he means foreigners yeah in our own so it's just a small

00:10:19.700 point but yes and as a classicist that's very unlikely that powell did mean it by that i would

00:10:25.220 have thought so yeah definitely but yeah as powell said here back in good old 1968 for reasons which

00:10:31.460 they could not comprehend and in pursuance of a decision by default on which they were never consulted

00:10:37.460 they found themselves made strangers in their own country well obviously true like the age of enoch

00:10:46.180 starmer yes um yes who would have thought yeah rex marshal starmer it's gonna bring down the hammer

00:10:54.580 yeah ring to it doesn't it so um yeah so let's get through the takes shall we all those wonderful

00:11:01.700 wonderful takes on this uh from jeremy corbyn he said that the problems in our society are not caused

00:11:07.700 by migrants or refugees they're caused by an economic system rigged in favor of corporations

00:11:13.380 and billionaires if the government wanted to improve people's lives it would tax the rich rich

00:11:19.220 and build an economy that works for us all except the rich presumably uh it's not supposed to work for

00:11:25.460 them i make two comments here please just about mr corbyn's understanding of elementary economics

00:11:30.740 um corporations and billionaires do benefit enormously from an endless flow of cheap labor

00:11:37.940 of course and the one of the costs of cheap labor is reducing the need for automation automation raises

00:11:45.460 labor productivity and results in a more skilled workforce and therefore higher wages so if mr corbyn

00:11:52.180 was on the side of the working class he might benefit from a quick course in economics that would

00:11:57.620 help him understand these things as for taxing the rich in a financial economy you cannot do it or you

00:12:04.900 can only do it up to a point because in a financial economy you can always move your wealth offshore

00:12:11.300 um and that is resulting because starmer is trying to tax the rich contrary to what corbett is saying

00:12:19.940 that is resulting in a reduction in the tax base not in higher tax revenues for the government

00:12:26.340 so these guys insist on not understanding elementary economics they deny that wages also obey the laws

00:12:35.140 of supply and demand as does housing and the price of other basic goods their insistence on denying

00:12:41.700 economic reality is just insane and it's driven purely by dogma oh entirely and it's more and more obvious

00:12:49.540 as well i mean this might have persuaded people who don't really know much in 2005 or 2015 even but

00:12:57.220 it's just so out of date it's like 1970s out of date what he's saying here yeah um i do quite like

00:13:03.220 bob rules response there on the bottom probably can't read it out because it's expletive but it's just

00:13:08.020 it's just like um yeah the billion billionaires didn't rape quarter of a million white children over

00:13:12.900 the past 30 years no so what earth are you talking about but that that really is that an economy that

00:13:19.540 works for us all i don't want the economy to work for everyone i don't want the economy to work i don't

00:13:26.340 want britain to work for a somali who just got off the boat right i don't want britain to work for

00:13:33.220 for someone living in a pakistani ghetto over in no it should britain should work for british people

00:13:42.260 first and foremost given the benefits and tax system yes it does work for recently arrived

00:13:48.180 migrants right better than it works for anyone else because you know if you want a 16 17 year

00:13:53.940 old to start gaining work experience they're going to do delivery jobs or mcdonald's or something along

00:14:00.100 these lines which sort of set them up on a career path uh or give them some real life experience

00:14:05.940 then that then helps them get a real job and by closing that employment avenue you're making sure

00:14:13.300 that the economic system doesn't work for these people so the the extent of economic illiteracy

00:14:19.700 required to support open borders is absolutely it's so insane that it must be dogmatic and deliberate

00:14:27.860 yeah yeah the idea that we need more immigrants to support the infrastructure for a society that

00:14:35.460 has been flooded by millions and millions of immigrants there's the old saying that the the

00:14:40.020 bureaucracy is expanding to supply the demands of the bureaucracy yeah same with this we need the

00:14:45.540 immigration must increase to to facilitate increased immigration it's just nonsense isn't it it's just

00:14:52.900 nonsense yeah it is um but going back to what you were saying bo about the fact that this is so old

00:14:58.260 hat this feels like something out the 70s this is another example mp for perth here says by 20 the

00:15:03.860 2030s scotland will be in population decline with a smaller working age cohort unable to support an

00:15:10.420 increasingly elderly society starmer has just announced an immigration policy that is counter to

00:15:16.740 scottish interests and he just does not care look on the one hand i'm all for vanquishing scotland

00:15:24.740 finally and you know subjugating them but not like this oh the daily record will have you on the front

00:15:30.260 page saying such a thing hope not hate will uh got your number for daring to criticize scotland on any

00:15:36.100 level i could never i wouldn't dare plagiarize your finest moments it's just pure 1984 double think

00:15:43.380 double speak that isn't it's against scotland's interest scotland's interest no it isn't more

00:15:48.180 people being there who are not scottish look even then sorry i have to hammer home the economic point

00:15:54.500 um on average most migrants from middle east africa are a net fiscal cost not a net fiscal benefit so they

00:16:08.980 will not help pay for pensions part one part two part of the problem is the existence of pensions

00:16:17.460 because the role of the family has been outsourced to the state your children should be taking care

00:16:22.740 of you in your old age not random strangers that have no connection to you now through misfortune or

00:16:30.180 providence you might find yourself alone in your old age in which case society would have a christian

00:16:36.100 society would have an obligation towards you yes but this can't be the default mode of a society

00:16:42.020 because that then that outcome becomes inevitable so again there is an there is a level of economic

00:16:47.540 illiteracy animating these arguments surprising i think what you said earlier is absolutely right it's

00:16:56.100 slightly more than sort of merely being illiterate it's deliberate isn't it yes it's like a deliberate

00:17:00.580 ignorance it's dogma right yes like i accidentally haven't read enough yeah economics yes uh they

00:17:08.020 want to destroy our country i i think as well the reason why this uh this particular term of island of

00:17:14.500 strangers which is the one line from stammer's speech that all of the left seems to have latched on to

00:17:20.660 that you know islands um islands of strangers is rivers of blood 2.0 yeah um but slightly duller um

00:17:29.540 but the the fact is that ultimately i think one of the reasons why they feel so threatened by that

00:17:36.340 expression of an island of strangers is because on an emotional level it actually does meet the demand of

00:17:42.260 saying no the emotional the emotional needs of the british people come before the economic concerns of new

00:17:51.540 arrivals i i think because implied within it is a reality that british people lebanese people uh syrian

00:18:02.660 people egyptians turks somalis are genuinely different peoples who view each other as strangers so

00:18:11.620 consciously or otherwise keir starmer finally recognized the existence of england as a nation

00:18:17.700 and of britain as a family of nations and that's what's making them particularly angry because you're

00:18:24.740 not allowed to say this uh nigerians are permitted to be a nation but not europeans and starmer accidentally

00:18:34.180 violated that taboo to score a rhetorical point probably unaware of the importance of

00:18:40.740 the point he was subtly making yeah the true globalist position is that there are no strangers

00:18:46.500 yes yes right yes we're all born friends and worlds yeah yeah hopefully at least it this might

00:18:52.100 be something you're moving on to but it moves the the conversation a bit well it moves the conversation

00:18:57.620 doesn't it the overton window is shifted clicks one more bit to the right well also it's it's definitely

00:19:04.420 it's the fact that he's correctly framed it as a deliberate policy you know this is when um

00:19:10.900 a lot of the the mps when they're criticizing uh immigration like uh you know like the reform types they

00:19:17.300 talk they always use the term uncontrolled mass immigration not at all it was entirely controlled

00:19:24.260 it was controlled mass immigration it was done concertedly with purpose yes so it's not

00:19:30.180 on control and it was initiated by nice mr tony blair yes lovely man um it wasn't nobody can claim

00:19:38.420 innocence in this and keir starmer's claim that it was just the conservatives fault okay man come on

00:19:44.340 yeah i mean don't get me wrong we remember sorry yes exactly i'm obviously happy to see boris johnson's

00:19:49.940 political career buried alive uh and all the of the other traitors too i don't want zero seats for

00:19:55.700 the tories zero seats for labor of course um but ultimately it just brings out stammer's speech

00:20:02.260 brought out this like asparna begum it's like i'm proud to represent an east london constituency

00:20:08.500 where diversity is a strength where communities include migrants from all over the world we must end

00:20:14.660 not embolden the hostile environment now this is because ultimately it goes back to what you're saying

00:20:20.980 bow look i don't doubt she believes it because she's a colonizer however fundamentally they've lost

00:20:30.180 the momentum that all of their arguments you can see them like in the boxing match sweating their

00:20:36.100 arms of you know limp and they're just there against the railings just getting beat on from all sides

00:20:42.100 now by the sheer force of feeling in the uk the consequences of their own actions right by the

00:20:48.340 consequences of their own actions as you know as the ayn rand quote famously says you can avoid

00:20:53.940 um what is it you can avoid um um absolutely butchered this is as i should make that is that you can um

00:21:03.140 avoid the reality but you can't avoid the consequences yes avoiding reality yes ultimately and i used to

00:21:08.340 live in east london um i didn't notice a strength when there was a sharia patrol uh walking around the

00:21:16.580 house that i was living in or when i had somebody uh ring my doorbell on a friday that i'd taken off sick

00:21:23.780 and asked me if i was going to mosque i i really didn't feel particularly enriched by that kind of

00:21:31.060 diversity no um remember places like east london the east london mosque which i used to live next to

00:21:38.500 um most of what's preached there will get you sent to jail in the uae

00:21:45.620 mad it should be emphasized that nothing about this says success

00:21:53.540 it's not a straight no absolutely no yeah i mean i'm familiar with east london as well like there's

00:21:57.940 the big mosques in white chapel isn't it yes and the whole of these so it's not very diverse no it's not

00:22:03.300 a diversity of different people no it's it's it's it's homogenous homogenous rather um pretty badly

00:22:09.780 i mean that a bigger she's just a fifth columnist so she's gonna say things like that yes she's going

00:22:15.060 to have to you have to stick to the line that it is diverse and it's a strength nearly everyone can

00:22:22.100 see now unless you're a committed fifth columnist you can see it's just not true it's just a liar yeah

00:22:27.380 well we're not her client group are we right it's that simple and and remember biggum and everybody

00:22:34.180 associated with her were cheering pakistan on in the latest india pakistan scuffle and you saw it

00:22:40.900 break down you saw uh you saw sunak sticking up for india and trying to defend india and you saw

00:22:48.820 people like miss begum saying no no pakistan isn't the right india is a rogue state so there is this

00:22:54.740 pretense that um past identities are erased i don't understand that i i don't get it and i don't

00:23:04.100 understand why it's one way for example i don't understand why nobody in africa celebrated sunak

00:23:10.020 becoming prime minister even though his family had been in africa for a generation or two but there was

00:23:16.180 nobody saying this is the first african prime minister he was very obviously the first indian

00:23:20.980 prime minister okay why did staying in africa not make him african but staying in britain made him

00:23:26.100 british i i mean i say this as an immigrant myself but i just can't i can't tolerate being lied to all

00:23:32.180 the time i hate it when people lie to me yeah about anything yeah uh yeah and exactly and as you were

00:23:37.860 saying about a spanner begum as well you know and all the pakistan stuff or um no doubt the palestine

00:23:43.220 stuff as well it's like they they ultimately demand daily your emotional consideration

00:23:50.580 for their foreign ethnic struggles but when you talk about the pite of england and the englishman

00:23:56.100 or the welsh or whoever it may be you know who are indigenous to here they couldn't give a toss

00:24:00.820 they couldn't give a toss they will not give you a second worth of consideration no and so well it's

00:24:06.980 just going to have to be a very civil divorce proceeding then isn't it because it's not going to work

00:24:11.460 um but this was one that i found the jonathan this again just trotting out the old arguments

00:24:17.300 where he says britain is the product of immigration and always has been now i'm not going to linger on

00:24:22.180 it but i did actually just want to bring up i wrote this piece uh last year in the critic called

00:24:28.180 the enigma of englishness i don't really want to go into it in any great detail but i was just going to

00:24:33.220 say that um for those who might not be aware this argument about the fact that britain is has always

00:24:41.940 been a nation of immigrants is actually a an older argument than you might suspect it's not actually a

00:24:49.060 post-1945 argument uh one of the things that i go and say in it is the fact that rudyard kipling was

00:24:55.700 giving the speech back in 1920 uh for saint george's day and he traces the uh teleology of this argument

00:25:04.740 all the way back to the 1600s uh with uh english writers such as daniel defoe who uh wrote a poem

00:25:12.260 called um a true-born englishman basically ridiculing the idea that the english are actually a people

00:25:18.660 um in response to william of orange becoming king because all the english were like we don't want the

00:25:23.940 foreigners king and defoe was like well aren't all your ancestors just vikings anyway and so this

00:25:30.420 thing is far older than the mere you know yeah is that a picture of kipling or elf garnet it's kipling

00:25:38.580 okay fellow fellow birthday buddy of mine the same birthday always fun um but yeah so obviously morgoth

00:25:46.260 came out and had the correct take as always as always he says i'm dropping immigration to just

00:25:52.180 three thousand five hundred uh sorry 350 000 net uh do you love me now reek um yeah that really is

00:26:00.740 how it feels relationship yeah i'm gonna repeatedly punch you in the face a little bit softer yeah

00:26:06.900 now i'll only cut off your pinky this time you know it's uh yeah poor theon but um ultimately it's that

00:26:15.140 thing that the momentum is in our is at our backs now and i feel like

00:26:25.140 not because now it's come to a position where you've got people like generic in the tory party

00:26:30.260 you've got starma making this speech in labor yeah okay like the green party and the snp will continue to

00:26:38.180 um be irrelevant right and just be their authentic selves because they are of course true believers but at

00:26:44.500 least these guys have made the political calculation actually just advocating for immigration now is

00:26:50.740 untenable genuinely just politically untenable you can't do it anymore and be popular it will lead to

00:26:58.900 the annihilation of your party um which obviously we welcome it's nice to see that shift you know

00:27:06.260 i'll take the small wins if that's all we can get at the minute

00:27:09.140 um hopefully it will force people like farage to go even further right i don't think it will i think

00:27:16.820 if anything the first sounds he's making are to move slightly to the left but we'll see anyway

00:27:21.380 um any shift like this i mean it's clearly it's obviously sort of politically motivated um you know

00:27:27.540 if he hadn't done so disastrously in the local elections would he have made this speech i really

00:27:33.220 loved that early on in the speech he denies that there's any political aspect to this yeah this

00:27:37.460 was simply a technical thing come on yeah it's not because you just got annihilated in the local

00:27:43.860 elections you've got reform breathing down your neck but identity and politics are inseparable

00:27:50.180 i identity is what defines who you are and when you think of a common good you think first well what

00:27:57.460 is common who are we as an identity and then you decide what's good for us so this whole artificial

00:28:03.860 separation this attempt to depoliticize it and to deny that it's just about electoral calculus

00:28:10.260 amazing dishonesty i'm constantly impressed by keir starmer's ability to lie endlessly to himself

00:28:18.900 to his audience to everybody as he did to uh trump when he went to visit and said we do have free

00:28:23.940 speech in the uk yes yes yes straight to donald's face no honor no shame yeah um but i so the reason

00:28:34.180 i wanted to bring up just one more of zara sultana's tweets about this was because she says that the

00:28:40.340 prime minister imitating enoch powell's rivers of blood speech is sickening that speech fueled decades

00:28:46.340 of racism and division echoing it today is a disgrace it adds to anti-migrant rhetoric that

00:28:52.660 puts lives at risk so i'd just like to talk a little bit about lives that have been put at risk

00:28:59.940 over the immigration question because i have your very poignant series of tweets here bo where you just

00:29:07.700 talked about fusilier lee rigby lest we forget of course as you go down it's chris donald uh david amos

00:29:17.380 mp and so zara can sit there all she wants and talk about the you know the danger that this rhetoric

00:29:26.260 brings to people's lives you do that zara and i'll focus on the actual violence that's being caused by

00:29:32.020 policies that you support all right yep it's like we're done we're so beyond done with just these

00:29:39.540 people they they have no momentum and the emotional blackmail is coming to an end because it's actually

00:29:47.220 backfiring now for every attempt at emotional blackmail that they engage in they're only going to

00:29:54.260 make people angrier and the overton window is going to move in a way that these people cannot control

00:30:00.260 and i hope starmer succeeds i really hope he succeeds because the consequences of him failing

00:30:08.340 again are going to be life-changing and not in a good way this is a terrible scenario it needs to be

00:30:16.580 managed well to exit from it um i don't think he's the man to do it but honestly for his sake and for

00:30:24.580 britain's sake i really hope he succeeds because competence should be applauded and because if he

00:30:31.540 delivers that would be a good thing but if the result is 350 000 that's not success but really

00:30:38.500 what he's trying to do isn't he is he's just trying to save the system itself he's trying to save global

00:30:44.660 absolutely trying to save managerialism yes it's all containment still yes yes containment strategy

00:30:49.780 entirely it's just about reducing the numbers to a to um a low enough number that you know the state

00:30:57.380 can begin to manage it but it's not actually in rebellion against any of the previous oppositions

00:31:05.140 that led to it happening in the first place he will use this rhetoric to try to push reform and others

00:31:11.220 to take a harder position then try to cast them as extremists to see if he can replay the same game

00:31:18.740 that they've been playing indefinitely this is the attempt and he will fail and he will try to hide

00:31:26.260 the fact that he's failing i think he's absolutely right to call it just emotional blackmail yes um

00:31:33.060 it's just give up your country racist yes it's like that doesn't really play much anymore no no

00:31:39.380 still a few sort of centrist ads that might go along with that but i wish them well well but this um

00:31:46.900 the reason i got this one was not just because i love a bit of salt mining but just because actually

00:31:52.580 when you read something like this where this uh lauren thomas says i don't even know what to say

00:31:57.380 about the immigration white paper i feel sick i feel defeated i cannot recommend the uk as a place to

00:32:03.940 live any longer when even labor will pull the rug out from under you like this um the morale shattered

00:32:10.420 because their their guy has totally betrayed them on this that's it now you're not getting

00:32:18.180 the open tap of immigrants anymore sorry lauren you're just gonna have to deal with 500 000 a year

00:32:24.340 now hope that'll do for you um yeah but fundamentally there i think that this um speech from starmer

00:32:33.380 is actually very useful because i feel like it's actually one it's divided the left you know you've

00:32:39.940 got the carbon types you've got the the john mcdonald point this is a point where they will not um they

00:32:46.180 refuse to they can't concede they can't concede no they can't concede on it and so it's going to

00:32:51.940 fracture them tremendously and also like as i've you know i'll just repeat one more time the wind is in

00:32:58.180 our sails the wind is in our sails on this it's it's not going away it's a single issue it either

00:33:06.020 gets addressed or they get destroyed yeah and it's that simple i absolutely feel like the paradigm has

00:33:11.380 shifted to the point where there is no left or right it's just globalists or non-globalists

00:33:15.380 globalists or nationalists nativists realists whatever you want to call it just realists and

00:33:21.460 nations are real right yeah you know denying that they are nations just okay it's like denying that

00:33:27.540 they're elephants good luck but when you get trampled don't blame me are you an open border

00:33:32.820 person or not it's just simply that yeah well fortunately uh we're not anymore thanks to our

00:33:40.820 glorious prime minister kia powell so can i get the mouse you can do you want to read your rumble rents

00:33:48.420 oh sure uh says uh for five uh dollars it's got oh scrolled start from the bottom do i then yeah

00:33:57.780 okay so for one dollar it says i've been learning french i'm sorry uh i know uh now that god has to

00:34:04.420 be english uh be an englishman because only the devil would speak french

00:34:08.500 which based uh uh for two dollars dragon lady chris uh so happy uh luke has officially joined in the

00:34:17.780 lads in historians unite yeah yeah okay cool well uh i'll probably sit on a few more epochs now won't

00:34:25.140 i that'll be fun yeah um yeah uh for uh two dollars uh sigil stone 17 says his immigration paper white

00:34:34.660 yeah white paper racist racist white paper uh do i go through all of them yeah yeah uh so for uh

00:34:45.620 five dollars uh goofball supremacist morning lads been backpacking through the mediterranean for

00:34:50.580 the past three weeks with my girlfriend africans in nice arabs uh followed us to airbnb in sicily

00:34:58.180 indians tried to pickpocket my lady in malta sad really dreadful really sorry that's happened

00:35:04.660 uh for a dollar that's a random name says congrats on luke for joining the team uh you should try

00:35:09.940 having a different mustache you do realize it's taken me a decade just to get this one right

00:35:16.580 i've bent my entire will towards it uh for one dollar the uh hapsification says uh these people

00:35:23.380 want a population of half a billion on this island but will do everything to avoid increasing it through

00:35:28.500 birth rates of the indigenous uh on this island yes wrong demographic i'm afraid uh for five dollars

00:35:34.980 ramshack a lot says absolutely top tier trio of hosts so thank you very much and uh for two dollars

00:35:42.500 kindly um fictaguous says what was that bill that puts migrants in a different category uh where they're

00:35:51.140 not counted in the numbers that could be what starmer will use i'm sure they will have all kinds of

00:35:57.380 administrative shenanigans and i'm sure that the ons will help them in some ways um these guys

00:36:03.860 control the institutions and they will spin the narrative to suit them that's what white hall

00:36:08.420 does that's what it does yes it does that's what it does best okay moving on to a little bit of light

00:36:14.900 relief um organized sex trafficking light if anyone if one remembers uh p diddy right real name sean combs

00:36:27.620 i remember when he used to be just puff daddy back in the 90s he was puffy

00:36:32.340 one point he wanted to be called brother love i'm uh that's age bantley i'm angry at you because

00:36:38.340 usually i guard my ignorance of these things quite fiercely and i try to not know anything

00:36:45.700 about good on you rap hip-hop right most of the culture scene so-called culture scene

00:36:52.020 um and now you're forcing me to know more about it no no it's a firm policy um yeah good on you i

00:36:58.420 agree usually i do as well um it's very rarely i'll do a slop although this is gourmet slop i very

00:37:04.340 rarely do a sort of a slop segment myself but i thought a little bit of light relief between

00:37:08.660 michelin star two guys because yeah yeah because um if i had to make a call he's probably going to go to

00:37:16.660 prison for a very very long time we'll get into it in a moment but his defense his defense is shaky af

00:37:23.060 um it doesn't look good for him um so uh sean has been held on remand since september last year

00:37:31.620 they didn't give him bail because even if they put like millions of dollars on it he could just

00:37:34.900 afford that right yeah and he probably is a flight risk as well um i remember harry did a segment

00:37:41.300 months and months ago where it looked like he did he was trying to run or he made some attempt to

00:37:48.500 that you know was only a half-eyed thing and they're always going to get him so um but he's

00:37:52.340 being put on trial in uh southern manhattan which is you know usually quite a strong place like it's

00:37:58.340 where they'll try some of their worst criminals right because usually unless you're lucky enough to get

00:38:03.700 um a jury that's the full-blown uh oj jury unless he's lucky enough to get that um they we will get

00:38:13.060 they will see some justice i would have thought so um what they what are the actual charges it is sex

00:38:19.460 trafficking transportation for prostitution and racketeering with conspiracy that's technically

00:38:26.740 the charges they're quite serious charges yes like he could be looking at years and years like decades

00:38:32.580 right i mean they gave um r kelly got 20 20 odd years they gave him and his charges were less than

00:38:40.100 that i mean his were child sex offenses as well but anyway sean combs is um indictment is worse than

00:38:48.020 r kelly's so if he is found guilty it's only the first day yesterday was the first day of his trial

00:38:54.740 so um we'll keep you updated at some point if and when the verdict comes well when the verdict comes in

00:38:59.300 we'll let you know maybe me or harry will do a segment on it i'm just mildly interesting like

00:39:03.220 i say i don't usually engage in this sort of thing but when it's someone so famous because

00:39:08.100 p diddy was a massive a-lister in the 90s right yes yes bad boy records right he's a bad boy for life

00:39:15.060 if you didn't know um but it seems like he really is like quite a bad quite a bad person there's this sort of

00:39:23.460 kind of cut and dry whether he's guilty of these specific crimes it's for the jury to decide isn't

00:39:29.460 it um but there's no real doubt i mean part of his defense is saying yeah i did most of these things

00:39:36.500 so his defense seems to be boiled boiling down to because yesterday there was the opening statements

00:39:40.500 from both sides it seems like his defense is resting on a couple of things one was i'm just a

00:39:47.380 swinger bro i didn't realize i'm not doing anything criminal this is just how i live yeah it's like

00:39:52.180 a bit degenerate or whatever but um yeah i engage in loads and loads of weird sex stuff but it's

00:39:56.580 nothing criminal yeah this is just how i live this is my lifestyle um i didn't coerce anyone

00:40:03.300 um they never told me they felt coerced so like that's a shaky because ignorance of the law is no

00:40:09.300 defense right now is it no of course not um although actually in britain recently a few people have got

00:40:15.780 away with claiming that but anyway in uh in manhattan you're not gonna they're not gonna let you get

00:40:20.900 away with that um and the other thing the other sort of pillar of his defense is saying everyone

00:40:26.980 else is doing it like i'm not the only super rich famous dude that has crazy we're all degenerate

00:40:33.460 criminals yeah yeah what are you gonna do arrest us all well isn't the whole premise of the genre

00:40:39.860 to boast about your degeneracy and criminality yes yes so i don't think anybody's surprised that

00:40:44.820 someone who makes a living by boasting about being a criminal degenerate is in fact a criminal

00:40:52.260 degenerate i mean i respect for authenticity but if these things are true please burn in hell

00:40:58.420 um it's authentically a wrong one yeah yeah that's just

00:41:06.260 so yesterday some of the stuff that came out there starting to um first witness took the stand

00:41:10.740 i mean one of the the because this trial it's not going back through everything he ever did wrong

00:41:16.580 going back to 1991 or whatever right it's a couple of sort of specific cases where the government the

00:41:22.660 prosecution feel like they've got a really strong case and from everything i've read and watched they

00:41:27.140 do seem to have a really strong case of mountains of evidence really um so it does sort of rest on

00:41:33.540 things like well so his ex-girlfriend how many pimps call their prostitutes girlfriends but anyway

00:41:39.380 uh his girlfriend uh uh cassie cassandra um she's she's sort of claiming all sorts of things

00:41:47.700 and um not believe it comes down well no largely all right um because i just wanted to know are we

00:41:54.580 in believe all women's season or are we out of believe all women's season that's good that you

00:41:58.660 clarified that well we should see it does come down to sort of a matter of coercion um whether like

00:42:04.260 false fraud and coercion is sort of the legalese um you know she will claim i was forced and coerced

00:42:12.820 and and there was violence i mean there's definitely violence there's a clip out there that's been out

00:42:16.340 there for ages of him knocking her about in some hotel somewhere so it's definitely violent yes so it

00:42:22.180 comes down to her um and people other other witnesses and defendants saying um or litigants saying

00:42:28.740 um you know i was forced and coerced and it's a criminal it's a criminal enterprise that he's

00:42:33.460 engaged in um and him saying no i didn't coerce anyone they did everything of their own free will

00:42:40.580 or i i paid them up front and things like that so it comes down it will come down to that but

00:42:47.060 there's mountains of evidence i i have i have two points here first every time the christian right in

00:42:54.100 the united states said that this kind of art is absolutely degenerate and will make society worse

00:42:59.700 uh they were accused of instigating moral panics and they were told that they were completely wrong

00:43:05.220 to do so and that this was um just racism or that this was just them being evil and imagining things

00:43:12.260 it turns out actually there's a very good chance that they were right because we know these things

00:43:16.580 about these people secondly my very limited understanding of this is that everybody was

00:43:24.180 invited to these people's parties and that the level of participation from celebrities was quite high

00:43:32.260 so as with the epstein files i'm not that interested in him i'm interested in who else because the real

00:43:42.180 story here is very much the who else i mean these are people who get invited i don't know if he was

00:43:48.020 invited but these are people who get invited to do concerts for politicians and to participate in

00:43:52.740 political rallies and to try to uh sell the narrative of usually the democratic party to the vast

00:44:03.860 group who consumes this culture and you have to ask yourself well were they ever invited to these

00:44:09.940 parties did they partake in the abuse uh what did they know and when did they know it and we had

00:44:16.420 the same thing with weinstein where everybody knew that weinstein was a rapist and that you know people

00:44:22.900 were being pushed to get raped and then i think it was quentin tarantino who came out and said yeah we all

00:44:28.260 knew um who else knew this this is what strikes me as particularly interesting uh you guys were clearly all

00:44:36.180 in on this right and this was really your culture and this was what you were promoting to make the

00:44:42.180 mainstream culture of not just the united states but also the west yeah so can we have that conversation

00:44:49.060 please rather than whatever sorted particulars of of this guy can't help but think there may be some

00:44:57.620 overlap between the epstein and diddy lists as well yeah almost certainly a few names might just happen

00:45:03.300 to be on two lists and weinstein was a friend of hillary clinton's and he was being thanked by

00:45:08.180 all kinds of senior people in the democratic party so the overlap between the hollywood degenerates and

00:45:14.900 the political degenerate seems to be incestuous yes what about the podesta list that's a different

00:45:22.500 conversation so uh yeah the podesta list the epstein list the weinstein list the uh the diddy list and the

00:45:28.340 diddy list is perhaps not quite as eminent as the epstein list but it's still massive and it's still like

00:45:33.300 giant anus i mean everyone from and i'm not saying any of these people are guilty of any particular

00:45:37.140 crime but it's it was everyone right it was everyone from beyonce and jay-z lebron j-lo on down

00:45:42.260 it was it was a thing in the 90s or at least the early 2000s that diddy had these parties he had a party

00:45:47.940 yacht right and that you were among the select chosen if you got invited to the diddy yacht right i mean

00:45:54.980 and this is going back 20 years plus and there were a few people like i think cat williams famously

00:46:00.500 yes came out and said no uh diddy's a total uh a total wrong and and other people like i think uh

00:46:08.740 fiddy scent also is on record as being against i think quite clearly being against um what sean combs

00:46:16.820 how sean combs was living his life there's a funny clip of uh mike treyson sort of curling his lip turning

00:46:22.740 his nose up uh right a pdd advance and so people knew about it right people knew about it it was

00:46:29.220 like uh like bill cosby it took a comedian to say something on stage and then everyone's like wait

00:46:33.860 what bill cosby is a predator well we never knew if people knew people knew odds are you know like

00:46:40.340 the weinstein thing it takes someone to actually break ranks and then suddenly oh it's it's a real

00:46:44.900 thing and when they all start moralizing and saying there's a rape culture and saying that uh all men

00:46:51.220 are naturally rapists and then you look at their allies and you kind of go hold on a second are you

00:46:55.380 is this an accusation or a confession yeah yeah or is your your view just informed by the fact that you

00:47:00.980 hang around a lot of people who happen to think this way yes or act this way i should say this way

00:47:05.700 act this way rather yes so there's all sorts of it's a legal mess in all sorts of ways like he's

00:47:10.740 trying to counter sue some of his accusers uh for you know defaming him or whatever and um

00:47:16.580 and there's just there's all sorts of stuff like what's something i read there's like there's

00:47:19.620 actually a whole podcast uh bbc podcast diddy on trial with like 20 20 plus episodes already it's

00:47:26.500 only day one of the trial but like there's something come out where he dangled one of his that cassie's

00:47:31.140 friends he dangled her off a 17th story balcony allegedly allegedly uh and people were scared of him

00:47:39.300 properly properly scared of him why is the bbc world service doing a 20 series podcast

00:47:46.180 your tax money at work yeah right that's what being a part of the world service means yeah

00:47:51.860 yeah yeah no embarrassing no quite right uh and yeah just it's just in the news cycle at the moment

00:47:58.100 um yeah there's there's some prosecutors saying they've got lists of dozens or even hundreds of

00:48:03.860 people um yeah and and sean's defense is largely i didn't know i was doing anything wrong like men's

00:48:11.380 rare you know that thing i didn't um like you're allowed to have crazy parties with consensual

00:48:17.300 people what's what's wrong with that and it's a super weak defense that's that's weak you're sort

00:48:24.020 of admitting it i mean he has formally pled not guilty formally his defensive line is i've never

00:48:29.700 engaged with in sex crime of any type ever uh but also i did have these sort of crazy crazy parties

00:48:35.940 all the time there was something on the previous link that said i'm sure some of it is true but it's

00:48:40.180 being exaggerated and i just all right okay yeah yeah well that's the thing it's exaggeration i

00:48:46.260 didn't yes this like dodgy stuff went down but it wasn't that bad we are completely degenerates we brag

00:48:51.460 about being degenerate gangsters but really you shouldn't take it too seriously it wasn't that bad

00:48:55.940 yeah okay i mean and everyone else is doing it and everyone else is doing it it's a bold strategy

00:49:02.580 cotton yeah exactly yeah yeah but so like so also just to get back to the sort of

00:49:09.300 the just the facts the facts gentlemen i mean trafficking sex trafficking and what was it

00:49:16.500 um transportation for prostitution so it gets into racketeering with conspiracy

00:49:22.820 that's heavy but like um transportation for prostitution and sex trafficking so it's not just

00:49:27.620 um i'll buy or or patronize a a prostitute or an escort or whatever it is no i'm actually going out

00:49:36.260 there and getting people myself like epstein yes like it becomes his own procurement yes his own

00:49:41.540 procurement his own madam or he's got madams working for him procurers of people it's like

00:49:47.460 dark as hell it's another level of evil isn't it really i mean if true it's all allegations still at

00:49:53.060 this point yeah okay now which brings us back to who was who who were his clients it's always the same

00:50:00.100 question who were his clients who else knew what kind of community have you guys built and therefore

00:50:05.780 what does that say about all of the other moral lectures that you keep haranguing us with um it's

00:50:13.940 i'm i'm not that interested in the details i i i hope he's innocent i hope this wasn't true i hope these

00:50:20.660 guys aren't really like this but if they are these aren't the details that i want i don't want to know the

00:50:25.940 sordid details what i want to know is who else was involved and what else were they telling us and why

00:50:31.860 were they uh moralizing at us and hectoring us and lecturing us that i i hope this isn't true i hope

00:50:39.540 these people aren't that evil but if they are it's not the sordid details of their encounters that i'm

00:50:45.060 interested in it's a list of clients and a list of people who were involved and a list of people who knew

00:50:51.460 and kept quiet about it and justice and it just seems like that list again if it's proven um seems

00:50:59.940 like that list is massive there's just the odd person like 50 cent or cat williams who wasn't

00:51:04.820 interested or actively disgusted by it it's like the odd one yeah nearly everyone else was like oh

00:51:10.340 i've been invited to a p diddy um orgy or whatever it was uh yes i'm in i'm in the group i'm in the club

00:51:17.300 uh so yeah it seems like most went along with it because of course another thing if you didn't

00:51:21.780 you could quite often have your career ruined yes that's what some of the a lot of these defendants

00:51:26.260 are saying that some people say well if he abused you back in 2016 or hung you off a balcony why did

00:51:32.260 you sort of stay with him it's like well because he was my benefactor yeah he was my boss and if i

00:51:36.980 didn't if i tried to blow the whistle all that sort of thing then my life would have been over or even

00:51:42.900 feared for their actual life so this is an industry where blackmail is rewarded not honor

00:51:50.580 and we should just emphasize the concept of honor and the importance of it i'm i've done things in

00:51:56.100 my life that i'm not proud of um i hope i'm genuinely remorseful but we do need a culture where honor

00:52:04.980 remorse penance are really and truly emphasized as opposed to a culture where degeneracy is celebrated

00:52:13.300 because again we've run this experiment we've tried to live life this way we've ended up with

00:52:18.820 weinstein epstein p diddy and god knows who else and they were all friends with the clintons and with

00:52:23.860 the great and the good um okay how about how about we try something older and tested and true

00:52:33.620 yeah no absolutely i couldn't agree more um so we'll see how the trial goes it'll probably last

00:52:39.540 quite a while um but we shall see what happens to to sean combs um okay so let's read a few uh

00:52:49.220 where my rumble rents here where do they start okay that's a random name says apologies i assumed your

00:52:55.780 power level was greater luca it takes me roughly 10 days to get a mustache of that size oh ragging

00:53:01.460 lagging there um okay uh slicky stone 17 says does luca prefer being likened to one of the andys

00:53:10.740 from hot fuzz was andy's from hot fuzz yes or the boss from the it crowd that jumps out a window i

00:53:16.100 actually prefer being uh likened to captain darling from blackadder that's where most of uh people last

00:53:23.780 time i was on here carl was like oh yeah you like you like monty aren't you you like montgomery and

00:53:27.940 everyone's like no he's like captain darling which is hilarious because i actually played

00:53:31.860 darling one time in the blackadder production yeah and i love town i would like i would like

00:53:38.020 a melchip mustache right still not quite there but uh i think maybe november i might shave my beard

00:53:43.780 off but leave the mustache for november right i'm not promising anything we shall see okay uh lord of

00:53:50.020 nothing says when i get my store open i'm going to be upgrading my low seat to subscription luca and

00:53:54.980 ferez are excellent additions to the team yes absolutely thank you thank you uh that's a

00:53:59.140 random name says with all the baby oil he has stored in his house yeah what was that about remember that

00:54:03.940 there was something that he'd stockpiled gallons of baby oil anyway i don't know um i wonder i

00:54:10.260 wonder how they can keep him behind bars without him slipping right through them yeah and uh logan 17

00:54:17.460 pine says the year 2045 i can at least i can at least one of you guys standing next to a pm as a

00:54:24.420 a government minister oh well yeah well yeah we should see we should see all right so oh one more

00:54:32.340 just quickly came in uh josey angel says i second that mr modad we need innocence back yeah it's

00:54:38.980 sickening to hear certain words or even ideas being talked about by such thoughtful men as lotus

00:54:43.940 eaters put forth yeah what a time we live in thank you all right there you go and um moving on to our

00:54:53.220 next subject is the israel u.s relationship breaking down and does trump see israel as having become a

00:55:01.780 strategic liability um so in the early days of trump we saw expectations of trump giving a full-on blank

00:55:09.940 check to israel and indeed if you looked at the appointments to senior positions that he made these

00:55:15.460 were all pro-israel hawks in his first administration and in his second one and in his second one people

00:55:21.060 like hexath people like rubio uh waltz these guys are truly committed to israel and to doing whatever

00:55:27.620 israel wanted but it seems that something is shifting it seems that things are changing uh we've gone from

00:55:36.420 having a carte blanche which as recently as may 6th was still the um the consensus opinion to trump

00:55:44.980 making separate deals with hamas behind israel's back with um the israelis not being informed that

00:55:53.860 hamas and the united states were in separate talks together the result of that was hamas releasing uh the

00:56:00.260 last living israeli american hostage that they had from gaza which apparently came as a complete

00:56:07.380 surprise to the israelis so they really didn't expect that so state department people rubio's guys

00:56:13.780 doing stuff essentially behind the back of neti in jerusalem witkoff okay it seems that this was

00:56:19.780 being channeled through witkoff and through other back channels okay so um rubio is still quite

00:56:26.980 committed to to to israel and everything to do with israel but incidentally witkoff who is himself jewish

00:56:32.740 is following a very different line and a sort of being a kissinger-esque character and where is he is

00:56:40.740 he state department what is he he's an independent operator and that he is the presidential envoy so he

00:56:48.180 sits almost above the establishment of hexath not that hexath is an establishment figure uh or rubio but

00:56:56.260 as he's sitting above the secretary of defense the secretary of state and um acting purely with one

00:57:05.780 reporting line to the president right so we're seeing this change and it's not the first time in the last

00:57:12.900 week we saw that trump decided to declare a separate uh ceasefire with the houthi so the americans bombed

00:57:21.940 yemen for 51 days to try to stop the ansarallah houthi movement from blockading international

00:57:29.540 shipping that was going through the red sea clearly this is a american strategic priority in a sense

00:57:35.300 because as the naval superpower part of the role of the united states part of its claim to being the

00:57:41.140 superpower is that it polices the oceans that's why you see the freedom of navigation patrols uh between

00:57:48.100 taiwan and china that's why you see the activity in the south china sea but then we saw that the americans

00:57:56.020 failed to stop the houthi which really bodes badly for any campaign against china over taiwan and we saw

00:58:04.260 the americans deciding to make a separate agreement with the houthi where the where the houthi were

00:58:10.900 essentially allowed to continue attacking israel if they so chose so it was a fully bilateral agreement

00:58:18.260 between the americans and the yemenis with the israelis apparently also not knowing about it until it

00:58:24.740 happened um now my argument is that there is a bigger reason for that that there is essentially a um

00:58:35.860 deeper geopolitical change that is afoot um it seems that trump is trying to make sure that there isn't a

00:58:44.180 united eurasia set against the united states i've i've made this point in the past but the result of

00:58:50.980 the policies pursued from clinton or bush one even uh through to biden was that russia iran uh and china

00:59:01.780 were pushed into an alliance this alliance can naturally dominate pretty much all of central asia and

00:59:08.180 the eurasian land mass and you're seeing turkey saudi arabia and muslim countries in southeast asia

00:59:16.180 playing footsie with china and drawing closer and closer with china especially in a country like

00:59:21.540 saudi arabia where trump is visiting today um whose main customer for its oil is china now this is a

00:59:30.100 nightmare scenario if you think of world war one and world war two ignoring all morality the strategic logic

00:59:37.460 was not to allow the german manufacturing machine to pair with the russian natural resource behemoth

00:59:45.140 this is why it was important for the germans not to be allowed to defeat the russians so when the

00:59:50.100 russians started losing in 1917 or when they lost in 1917 the americans stepped in uh and in the second

00:59:56.900 world war the americans supported the soviet union to prevent precisely that outcome now this outcome is

01:00:03.780 happening at a larger scale as a indirect consequence of very stupid foreign policy very idealistic very

01:00:13.140 reckless foreign policy and if you remember your huntington uh he constantly warned of the sino-islamic

01:00:20.020 alliance and the ability of that alliance to become a global dominant geopolitical force

01:00:26.180 so israel has become an instigator of that alliance because of the reaction of the muslim world

01:00:35.540 to what is happening in in gaza in the west bank in israel and trump is trying to put a stop to that

01:00:44.180 so this is the first time that we're seeing an american president pursuing a first time in 20-30 years

01:00:52.820 that we're seeing an american president pursuing a policy where the israeli interest is ignored and

01:00:58.660 where the israeli view is ignored obama tried to do it with the first nuclear agreement and the congress

01:01:06.260 completely sabotaged that agreement by imposing new sanctions that wouldn't be removed as that agreement

01:01:13.940 was enforced and now trump is acting in a similar way again except he's coming at it as

01:01:23.860 formerly israel's bff so we're seeing this big shift in policy yeah so explain it to me so i always thought

01:01:32.500 that um on sort of the grandest strategic level that the white house would see israel as a fly in the

01:01:40.980 ointment to a united arab world and that that was in their interest because a united arab world or united

01:01:47.620 islamic sino world even yeah was a threat and that israel helped keep it fractured yes but you're

01:01:54.500 saying now that's still the case right it's still the case but also it's within limits right okay in the

01:02:02.500 sense that there must be a change in this relationship that allows the united states to pursue its objectives

01:02:09.380 with the rest of the muslim world without these being jeopardized by israel while also not giving

01:02:15.300 up on israel israel's being so bellicose and belligerent and aggressive that it actually forces

01:02:20.740 them together if anything yes it's not fracturing them it's forcing them together yes right and so i see

01:02:27.540 trump wants to keep turkey on side he wants to make a deal with iran a separate deal with iran because then

01:02:35.220 you can use turkey and iran against each other in the same way that iraq and iran were used against

01:02:41.780 each other and play a balancing game and in a way that's good for israel that creates options for israel

01:02:49.220 to benefit from that balance uh as i said he wants a new he wants a nuclear deal with iran to give iran a

01:02:58.900 separate choice rather than being forced to sell all of its oil to china at a discount and

01:03:05.940 to buy only from china and to get investments only from china he's doing the same with with ukraine

01:03:12.180 he wants to just get rid of this zelensky fellow because

01:03:16.900 having russia on side is much more important than where the russian ukrainian border sits in the future

01:03:23.460 and he wants to get a um trillion dollars from saudi arabia yeah go on so just a quick thing to

01:03:30.420 clarify when you talk about a nuclear deal with iran you sort of nuclear power not um highly enriched

01:03:37.780 weapons grade stuff so this isn't is israel's policy that they just will not allow that to happen under

01:03:44.100 any circumstances that's their stated policy but their ability to enforce it is very weak

01:03:47.940 their ability to actually prevent the iranians from having a nuclear program on a purchasing power

01:03:54.740 parity basis the iranian economy is four times the size of the israeli economy massive as the israeli

01:04:01.460 economy is imported as the israeli economy is um at least by regional standards uh israel it's in trump

01:04:09.460 or the america's interest that iran doesn't get weapons grade it doesn't get nuclear weapons still yes

01:04:14.900 right but then it's also not realistic to be able to fully dismantle the iranian nuclear program

01:04:23.140 right there's a lot of it's under mountains and stuff because a lot of it's under mountain because

01:04:27.060 a lot of it is also in people's heads and that if you go and try and bomb it you're not going to be

01:04:31.060 able to destroy it completely because it's under mountains and given what is in people's heads

01:04:35.940 already uh that knowledge will then be used to accelerate the program within a month or so of the bombing

01:04:43.380 ending so the trump is basically in the same way that he saw that he can't bomb the houthi into

01:04:51.380 stopping attacks on shipping he had to make a deal with them he's going to see ahead of time

01:04:57.860 that if you can't stop the houthis from attacking there is no way you can stop the iranians

01:05:02.420 from raining missiles on the gulf on energy infrastructure on ships because you couldn't

01:05:08.740 do it against yaman so realism is being imposed realism is back on the menu how much do you think

01:05:14.900 that this shift uh from the american state in foreign policy towards israel is linked up with

01:05:22.420 trump's personal relationship with netanyahu i think the personal relationship between them is bad

01:05:29.140 really and had been bad from the first trump presidency where trump after the fact said that

01:05:37.620 in the end he concluded that netanyahu was the obstacle to peace not mahmoud abbas the president of

01:05:43.060 the palestinian authority the reality is neither of them is fully responsible because peace between the

01:05:49.540 two is impossible for religious and ideological and ethnic reasons um but it's interesting that trump

01:05:57.380 had that perception then after the 2020 election netanyahu was very quick to congratulate joe biden for

01:06:04.740 his goals yes which really rubbed trump the wrong way and he felt that it was a betrayal by netanyahu

01:06:12.020 and so in january 5th on january 15 i believe trump posts this interesting clip from jeffrey sacks war in

01:06:22.900 syria and you may actually hear from grown-up reporters who are lying through their teeth or ignorant

01:06:29.700 beyond imagining that oh the war in syria yes russia intervened in syria well do you know that the

01:06:36.900 that obama tasks the cia to overthrow the syrian government starting four years before russia intervened

01:06:44.420 what kind of nonsense is that and how so that's partly true he did task the cia with doing so

01:06:50.500 uh but then he said that we only armed the syrian opposition enough to keep the war going

01:06:56.580 not to actually win how many times did the new york times report on operation timber sycamore

01:07:02.100 which was the presidential order to the cia to overthrow bashar al-assad three times in 10 years

01:07:09.780 this is not democracy this is a game and it's a game of narrative why did the u.s invade iraq in 2000

01:07:19.300 this is the interesting point why did the u.s invade iraq let's see who he blames well first

01:07:24.100 of all it was completely phony pretenses it wasn't oh we were so wrong they didn't have weapons of mass

01:07:30.980 destruction they actually did focus groups in the fall of 2002 to find out what would sell that war

01:07:37.140 to the american people abe schulstie if you want to know the name of the pr genius

01:07:42.020 they did focus groups on the war they wanted the war all the time they had to figure out how to sell

01:07:50.420 the war to the american people how to scare the out of the american people it was a phony war where

01:07:56.260 did that war come from you know what it's quite surprising that war came from netanyahu actually

01:08:01.860 that's the interesting part so trump took the position that netanyahu is to blame for the americans

01:08:08.020 going into iraq and you had the whole in reality you did have the whole pro-israel lobby in the

01:08:16.900 united states championing that war and then trump comes out and pretty much says what used to be a

01:08:22.820 conspiracy theory but not directly using jeffrey sachs who's a jewish professor professor by the way

01:08:29.780 as the mouthpiece for it then he sort of gives the israelis whatever they want to do whatever they

01:08:35.300 wanted in gaza but the israelis failed they couldn't in fact at they can't in fact achieve

01:08:43.380 the objective that they're seeking in gaza so if you look at a map of where the fighting is

01:08:50.500 you will see that the israelis are trying to capture all of gaza they can go anywhere they want to in gaza but

01:08:58.980 they can't hold it and they're still fighting in these tiny towns beit hanun and beit lahia on the

01:09:06.740 very border with israel where they've been fighting since 27 october 2023 when the ground intervention in

01:09:14.820 gaza began so it seems to me that what trump is doing is experimental policy he will try something

01:09:23.380 but if you fail you will suffer the consequences so he gave the israelis a carte blanche to do whatever

01:09:29.780 they wanted in gaza that's true while also using the threat of blaming israel for all of the mess in

01:09:36.820 the middle east which is a threat that the israelis should have taken more seriously that's that was the

01:09:42.180 jeffrey sachs clip essentially and now that they failed he's sort of doing deals behind their backs

01:09:48.580 independently of them um this is i think game-changing this is i think something that is game-changing

01:09:58.660 because you're seeing a truly um independent policy you're seeing something closer to what nixon belief

01:10:09.940 is that being for israel first means that that does not mean you're putting america second because

01:10:16.340 they think it goes together an american president however has to approach it in a different way in

01:10:20.660 my opinion he's got always to think first of what is best for america usually what is best for america

01:10:27.060 is also best for israel and vice versa on occasions an american president must make a decision that does

01:10:33.860 not in effect give the israelis a blank check and one example of that is a decision that i made i decided

01:10:40.660 early on in our administration that we were going to seek good relations with egypt and others of israel

01:10:46.260 israel's neighbors many of my israeli friends didn't like that because they wanted a special

01:10:51.380 relationship with israel and israel only but i have always said israel's interests are better served to

01:10:57.380 have the united states a friend of israel's neighbors and potential enemies and to leave a vacuum which the

01:11:03.380 soviet union would fill i still believe that and i think that should be american policy today

01:11:08.820 so it's the same thinking except that rather than the soviet union is thinking about china

01:11:13.780 i was just going to say that's all very interesting and spot on for the time in the cold war

01:11:19.460 it's still he's still he's talking in the late 70s early 80s there isn't it yes and he was president in

01:11:23.860 the 68 to 72 73 so um there's much more of a cold war milieu at that stage but it's still so today

01:11:32.980 it's still as you say replace replace the soviet union with china yep and it still will fit together and

01:11:38.660 make sense though doesn't it still yep now one of the things that trump is trying to do is to fully

01:11:44.820 tie saudi arabia to the united states again if if you looked at the last 20 years the united states has

01:11:51.380 been a poor security guarantor for the saudis it wasn't able to safeguard their interests in iraq or in

01:11:58.100 syria or in yemen or in egypt the the americans over the last 20 years really messed up in the middle

01:12:04.340 east and again trump is blaming netanyahu for that so keep that in mind um but he's trying to get trump

01:12:12.900 is trying to get 1.3 trillion dollars out of saudi arabia and he is there in saudi arabia today

01:12:21.620 with that objective i'm about to go and check what exactly they agreed to but it seems they did agree

01:12:28.020 to a trillion dollar investment on the part of the saudis which by the way the saudis may not have

01:12:32.980 uh it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out what like saudi arabian oil interests will

01:12:41.860 build and invest things in the continental united states to the tune of 1.3 trillion it's about the

01:12:47.540 details that we're talking about it's about the details there okay so they're saying they're going

01:12:51.620 to agree to a trillion dollar deal what does that mean does that mean buying assets but part of it is

01:12:58.020 going to be tens if not hundreds of billions in buying weapons uh part of it is going to be maybe

01:13:05.140 contracts for american companies in saudi arabia so we'll see how that plays out exactly but there is

01:13:11.380 a trillion dollar deal and part of that deal is to give the saudis um some kind of uh say

01:13:22.820 in uh to give the saudis sorry a civilian nuclear program a power power program okay including perhaps

01:13:33.780 some enrichment element to feed the power program okay because for the iran deal to work and have

01:13:41.700 saudi support the saudis want some kind of parity equality with the iranians so that's part of the

01:13:48.740 the game that's being played there's an important thing just to mention there some people may not

01:13:52.580 know yep is that the saudis and the iranians hate each other pretty much i mean they both consider the

01:13:58.820 other as a as a heretic not not so much anymore well harbists hate shiites and vice versa absolutely

01:14:07.380 but now with the rise of turkey and turkey capturing syria and the threat of the muslim brotherhood taking over

01:14:14.180 the arab world especially the non-monarchic parts of the arab world iran saudi arabia and israel

01:14:21.380 have an alignment of interests against turkey and the reformed ottoman empire against the reformed

01:14:27.540 ottoman empire precisely precisely against the reformed ottoman empire so there's room there for

01:14:34.100 some kind of under the table agreements trump is trying to exploit that but the iranian official line

01:14:40.500 is we will destroy israel and the israeli reasoning is we will destroy iran before it can destroy us

01:14:48.180 so trump is trying to navigate this including by giving the saudis a civilian nuclear program

01:14:54.180 and limiting the iranian nuclear program to purely civilian uses

01:14:59.700 of these and selling f-35 jets to the turks to upgrade their air force and possibly to the saudis

01:15:06.260 the israelis are going crazy over this israel stands in the way of all those things and israel

01:15:10.260 stands in the way of all of those things and so the israelis are saying that they can block trump

01:15:18.180 in the american senate so blatant influence of apac that's so blatant yeah they're they're

01:15:25.780 actually saying it on israel hayom an israeli newspaper and the quote that i want to read you is

01:15:32.180 the president won't be able to get approval to push forward a civilian nuclear program for saudi arabia

01:15:39.060 without the israeli component the israeli official told israel hayom he doesn't have a

01:15:45.220 senate majority for any agreement that doesn't include israel or that moves forward without its consent

01:15:52.500 the source confirmed that the americans had made inquiries with israel regarding its position

01:15:57.380 but chose to advance the initiative for a civilian nuclear program after determining that israel

01:16:02.740 could not meet saudi demands regarding the palestinians so now we're seeing a true conflict

01:16:10.660 between apac the security and foreign policy establishment that is blindly supportive of israel

01:16:17.860 and the american president and i think this conflict is going to be a game changer and it will determine

01:16:29.540 whether or not an elected president can in fact as the constitution says decide foreign policy

01:16:37.620 so this is the test that we're coming towards and in all my years watching the middle east this is new to

01:16:45.780 me this is very new territory we haven't seen this before it's it's it's bloody serious and this has

01:16:52.740 netanyahu reacting uh badly uh to put it mildly liquid confronts trump's unpredictability as netanyahu promotes

01:17:05.220 doing without us aid for the record the israelis get around four billion dollars a year from the united

01:17:14.580 states in military assistance they've stopped receiving economic aid under president obama

01:17:20.980 they now receive only military aid but without that military aid they can't fly the f-35 jet

01:17:28.340 and they don't have enough bombs and missiles for their wars and they don't have enough artillery

01:17:33.620 shells and and and and and certainly not enough to lock down palestine presumably and not enough to

01:17:39.700 lock down palestine not enough to control gaza and the west bank but the israeli ambitions for gaza

01:17:45.300 are still quite expansive they want to fully occupy gaza and expel the palestinians a policy that trump

01:17:52.660 was on board with a couple of months ago yeah i remember that and he was promoting it the gaza

01:17:56.980 strip and the beach results and yep yeah exactly so we're seeing experimental policy making we're seeing

01:18:02.820 realism in action you try to do something you assess the results if they fail you stop banging your head

01:18:09.300 against the same wall right and i've never seen this before and i expect this to continue and i expect it

01:18:16.900 to be reflected in ukraine with the brug pulled on from under zelensky in quite a severe way because again

01:18:25.300 the biggest threat to the west not just the united states is a united eurasia under chinese leadership

01:18:32.580 and the current policies in the middle east and in ukraine are pushing precisely that outcome

01:18:40.500 so this is going to be interesting actually a little bit of flexibility fluidity in foreign policy

01:18:48.340 almost day-to-day or week-to-week at least yes coming out yes absolutely just so to explain that

01:18:55.460 that headline there liquid is that's netanyahu's party that's the ruling party in israel yes

01:19:00.740 so he's sort of you think that's just bluster he's saying well if you're going to cut us off

01:19:05.060 fine we don't need you anyway um it must be bluster surely i really think it's bluster and it really

01:19:11.700 leaves us with two big options here um first the israelis trying to turn to russia or china which i don't see

01:19:19.140 how that happens yeah i really you could see certain under the table technology cooperation

01:19:26.660 that benefits the chinese in exchange for the chinese helping the israelis in other ways

01:19:30.580 you could see that it would be a surprise but it's really i mean the the remember the israelis did

01:19:38.340 try to sell the most advanced american technologies they had to the chinese until the american slapped

01:19:44.100 them on the wrist and told them don't you dare think about this stuff so if they go down that route

01:19:50.020 that's it they're burning their bridges and i don't think that that they're they're that crazy

01:19:55.460 the other possibility is to try to corner your allies with you you escalate very severely

01:20:02.740 to force your allies to back you this is what hamas tried to do in the 7 october operation the 7

01:20:08.980 october operation was meant to trigger a full-on war involving hezbollah the syrians the iraqis and

01:20:15.300 the iranians and the yemenis right going at it full tilt as opposed to what they actually did which

01:20:21.540 was pinpricks intended not to escalate and that's why they failed their own military men were advising

01:20:28.260 them either do it or don't but don't have to do it because you will pay and that's what ended up

01:20:34.820 happening so hamas started this war with the intention of forcing its allies into it fully

01:20:41.140 and it was disappointed and it failed because they didn't participate in the same way

01:20:48.020 could the israelis do something similar escalate against egypt or jordan

01:20:52.500 in order to create such a mess that the americans would have no choice but to step into it

01:20:59.620 that's what really scares me you think they will would they would i mean that's pretty machiavellian

01:21:07.220 isn't it i think it's pretty crazy because of also how young a country it is as well it just

01:21:13.300 doesn't have that history to draw back on its position in the world is fragile in many ways

01:21:22.100 um look the current cast of characters who are highly influential in the israeli government are crazy

01:21:29.300 and let's just sort of start with that it's hamas are absolutely crazy criminal animals let's get that

01:21:34.740 out of the way before somebody accuses up of some nonsense or the other but the current cast of

01:21:39.860 characters in israel are nuts you had the culture minister saying let's nuke gaza dude you'll take

01:21:45.700 out ashkelon you can't make gaza right um you have open calls for full-on ethnic cleansing you have

01:21:52.820 netanyahu saying that the gazans are like amalek implying that the heads of their children should be

01:21:58.580 smashed against the wall and that they should be all destroyed so there is a level of extremism in israel

01:22:05.460 that goes under their radar uh which is completely not discussed and that extremism is enabled by

01:22:15.140 christian zionists in the united states who believe that gathering the jews in israel and instigating a

01:22:21.540 two-front war from the north and the east is the only way to fulfill the prophecies in the book of

01:22:27.300 apocalypse but hexeth thinks that sort of stuff i don't know if hexeth personally thinks that but there are

01:22:33.220 pretty senior people including people who are very influential in getting congressmen elected

01:22:40.260 who genuinely believe that and so this is why the catholic position on the book of apocalypse is that

01:22:48.660 it's always with us the apocalypse is always near it's not up to us to bring it forward these guys

01:22:54.260 believe that no no let's help god kill us all if you're that certain that you're going to end up in

01:23:00.100 heaven maybe you really haven't considered what jesus was saying that carefully

01:23:05.860 um because you know i try but i'm not sure that i'm going to end up in heaven when the time comes

01:23:11.860 and if you're feeling very confident about this that kind of scares me that kind of scares me a little

01:23:18.740 bit yeah so people like that scare me in the same way and um you have to remember what netanyahu thinks

01:23:26.900 about the united states um he's on record saying that uh the us is easily manipulated and he was saying

01:23:37.700 that in 2001 and since 2001 there was a plan to destroy each of uh libya sudan syria lebanon uh iraq and iran

01:23:53.940 the only one standing still to some extent is iran so netanyahu had his way

01:24:00.340 this should be emphasized and how far will he go to completely have his way

01:24:09.700 is something that genuinely scares me yeah understandably so because he has been around

01:24:15.540 for years i mean my whole life more or less i can remember even back in the 90s he was so he won an

01:24:20.740 election in 1996 i believe it was with a mandate to dismantle oslo then he lost power

01:24:30.020 and now he's israel's longest serving prime minister uh winning election after election

01:24:37.300 over that time period both sides have radicalized more and more hamas is the most popular organization

01:24:43.300 among the palestinians and the right that israel leads that netanyahu leads has become more and more

01:24:50.420 extreme over the years and this is where we are liquid liquid yes

01:24:56.420 all right okay well watch this space i guess it's always an ongoing the the great game the great

01:25:04.580 the devil's chess board is yes never ends it never ends absolutely never ends no okay so we've got a

01:25:10.740 few rumble rents um logan 17 prices is trump pulling a bismarck or a caesar i suppose he's asking

01:25:17.380 whether it's some sort of 4d chess thing or just straight up smash them to bits we'll see sort of

01:25:22.660 thing yeah yeah we'll see yeah we'll see uh sicker stone 17 says the new cohorts have a much better

01:25:29.700 accent than bow well nobody likes my accent um he now sounds like dick van dyke in mary poppins

01:25:35.700 that's a bit cruel having a bubble bath i liked big dick van dyke and mary poppins we were just watching

01:25:40.500 it the other day really yes um one of my favorite actors yeah yeah it's really over the top my accent's

01:25:46.580 not that bad he's really like call blimey mary poppins i can do a good dick van dyke doing

01:25:53.780 a london accent anyway uh the iraq world was always about israeli interests and we've known for 20 plus

01:25:59.460 years but it was called conspiracy theorists uh what's coming out next is is dancing israelis

01:26:05.940 we probably shouldn't have read that one uh but just real quick can you yell steppy time well i don't

01:26:12.420 know what that's a reference to so i'm not going to in case uh mary poppins i do believe pop is

01:26:16.820 reference yes steppy time it's been a long while since i've seen mary poppins yeah yeah okay fair

01:26:22.020 enough all right so if we got video comments today samson no video comments all right well um should we

01:26:31.380 read some comments then sure um you read some of yours for um okay so uh naomi roberts says uh the

01:26:38.100 the worry is that such a high level of disenfranchisement for so long will make the

01:26:42.340 native population weak and pliable when the offer of enfranchisement is offered i see the fingerprints

01:26:48.500 of the dark lord offering digital ids from behind the scenes yes sorry that is something that i did

01:26:53.620 actually uh put in my notes and then uh recklessly skipped over but yeah they are trying to tie up

01:27:00.020 the digital id with all of this as well as naomi says you can see the fingerprints of the dark lord

01:27:06.020 all over this i'm very interested in the the real the minutiae of the relationship between

01:27:12.340 starmer and blair because on you can you can make an argument that they're sort of estranged and then

01:27:17.700 it seems like they're working as one it's so it's hard to know exactly wasn't angela rayner about

01:27:23.220 to resign until tony blair called her and told her not to i don't know is that right i heard that that

01:27:28.260 was the case yeah and now it seems like um you know he's still extremely influential extremely

01:27:34.420 involved but i'm pretty sure that starmer doesn't like that very much right uh given that i i know

01:27:42.020 he has no interests and no honor and no integrity but presumably he has an ego well yeah i would assume

01:27:48.660 as much if you wouldn't be a leader if you didn't yes yeah i guess that is probably dynamic blair is

01:27:53.700 still extremely powerful uh despite starmer yes and stimer doesn't like it but what can he do what can

01:28:00.100 you do about it yeah um do you want to move on to just do one more maybe just one more uh north fc

01:28:06.820 zoomer says a diversity on its fundamental level is ontologically derived from the same sources

01:28:13.300 division a divided peoples will inevitably devolve into identity warfare lebanese years can confirm

01:28:19.380 yeah very well okay let's read a couple for did he do it sophie live says uh i just always remember

01:28:28.260 how elijah wood openly talked about how his mother protected him from hollywood sex rings when he was

01:28:32.980 a child star he talked about this 20 years ago so it's not even a secret everybody knows uh yeah i vaguely

01:28:38.900 remember that well there's quite a few you can say that about right uh cory feldman i'm not another

01:28:44.660 example example there's there's a number there's a number of child stars i mean even there's rumors

01:28:49.700 like leo right was interfered with the united capital yeah i think everyone knows it sort of

01:28:56.180 goes on uh someone online said oh no wait won't read that one uh colin p said bad boys what are you

01:29:02.900 going to do what are you going to do when they come for you yes we know now yeah when nice right yeah

01:29:09.220 go ahead then if you want to read a couple of yeah sure uh canis familiaris it's kind of funny to

01:29:16.500 see left-wing starmer signaling to cut immigration and right-wing trump go behind israel's back maybe

01:29:23.540 democracy works opposite days just all year round yeah uh alpha out of the betas the u.s has

01:29:31.540 systematically taken out israel's enemies in the region for 35 years yes that's pretty much exactly what

01:29:36.260 i'm saying um yeah absolutely derek power master of chippies don't forget that america has a lot of

01:29:44.660 non-catholics who believe in sola scriptura i know brother i'm i'm i'm trying to tell them man i'm

01:29:49.940 trying to tell uh anytime israel is mentioned in the new testament it gets conflated with the modern

01:29:55.540 state yep in the old testament you mean uh thus you have people who are zionist for supposedly christian

01:30:00.900 reasons yeah it's um it's it's it's a strange situation um i accept that zionism is the jewish

01:30:09.060 national liberation movement i just don't see a christian reason to take a position on it one way or the

01:30:14.580 other frankly it's interesting there is there's always not well there's there's been a tradition of

01:30:18.980 that like someone like arthur balfour yes for example was about as christian as you can get but just

01:30:25.860 a massive zionist like it actually just thinks that places like mount zion or wherever in israel

01:30:33.380 there um they must be they must be protected at all costs and and all that sort of thing um

01:30:41.860 i mean like hegseth has got some hebrew tattoo on his arm and stuff yeah and he's but he's also has

01:30:46.980 an arabic one yeah right yeah he's a bit funny he's a bit funny okay uh we will have to draw it to an

01:30:53.780 end there because we've just gone past the half hour mark so um so okay until tomorrow then guys

01:30:59.460 uh i hope you enjoyed this one take care thank you very much

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 13, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1163

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