The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1164

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1164. I'm joined by no longer special

00:00:15.520 guest but team member Stephen Wolfe. Oh well it's good to be here and good to be back.

00:00:20.400 Excellent and but we have a new special guest Ed Dutton. Hello. And this is this is Ed's website

00:00:27.160 so if you if you like the cut of Egypt he's looking at you know various interesting things

00:00:32.220 that happen. Yeah can I say what that is about? Well let's skip that for now. They can click on

00:00:39.780 the video and they can find out what it's about. You've also got a Samsung and buttons aren't working.

00:00:49.060 There we go you've also got a Twitter page and you've just released a book. Buttons still aren't

00:00:56.060 working. I have yes the the biography of Jonathan Bowden who seems to be uh the the guilty little

00:01:02.000 secret pleasure of a vast number of people that are that are conservatives and it's a Jonathan

00:01:07.120 Bowden shaman of the radical right the life and mind of Jonathan Bowden and I it's the first

00:01:11.160 biography of him and it looks it really was a man that in many ways was completely mad uh but but

00:01:15.520 also has some like a shaman who has managed to inspire people and make them feel that the world

00:01:19.720 will get better and uh bringing together all kinds of recondite information into a fascinating

00:01:24.060 synthesis and so there you go that's Jonathan Bowden. Excellent right well if you want to find

00:01:28.240 out more than um you know I'm not even heard of him. Oh really oh okay he's um no he's big among the

00:01:34.540 young people he's very memeable there's lots of YouTube videos that take his take his take his

00:01:39.200 recordings that were above pubs and put them to music and all kinds of stuff. Is he no longer around?

00:01:43.700 He died aged 49 in 2012 which I think dying young helps to kind of sanctify people's uh

00:01:49.840 profit status. Okay yeah you gave a lot of speeches on the on the way that things were going

00:01:55.640 over the top of pubs so um some of those are committed to VHS I understand but many have been

00:02:02.800 lost um oh yes so what we're going to be talking about today is um um oh yes why everybody should

00:02:09.760 speak English obviously um Sadiq Khan's bad maths you're going to take us through that yeah um and I

00:02:16.320 thought it'd be worth covering what did Enoch Powell actually say because a lot of the leftists

00:02:20.160 they basically just you they just say Enoch Powell then that's it as if that's the whole argument

00:02:24.300 what did he actually say yes what did he actually say um so without further ado uh everybody should

00:02:32.180 speak English uh and uh please don't arrest me British police because it's not me saying that

00:02:37.240 it's actually the the prime minister of uh Great Britain is saying it now um you know this is all part

00:02:43.120 of his um his his speech uh from uh was it yesterday or the day before um where he um he

00:02:51.540 basically made a a lurch to the far right um promptly after uh reform started to think if he does it it's

00:02:58.860 not far right oh yes no no all right if he does it it's perfectly centrist and normal when he moves

00:03:04.480 he moves the center with him yes he's now the JFK yes of the left yes um which which you were saying

00:03:10.580 hang on steady steady on I mean some of that was a libelous comparison we're not allowed to say that

00:03:14.200 in public that kind of stuff yeah we're not quite ready for that but that's exactly what JFK was

00:03:19.260 saying that people should be coming over to America speaking it speaking English okay find themselves

00:03:24.000 with the country being behind the constitution at that particular time there's a lot of things that

00:03:29.760 were said about that right going up to Clinton it was very similar in terms of what now would be

00:03:34.660 regarded as far right no right well it's only far right if it's not useful for them at that

00:03:40.600 particular time far right I mean I'm surprised they still keep using it and they haven't come up with

00:03:44.460 a synonym it's obviously a smear we're tired of the smear uh it's far right if it's not useful for

00:03:49.920 him it wasn't useful for him 10 years ago it's useful for him now to say immigration's gone too far

00:03:54.760 because people really have had enough it really is getting too tense so suddenly it will stop being

00:03:58.860 far right as long as those in power and those that can be trusted advocate it rather than uh housewives

00:04:05.020 or whatever for or uh who are angry and are on Twitter yes I mean you've both seen it the way that

00:04:10.360 I think that um I saw it um that could also be perceived as a um as a coded assault on um Angela Rayner

00:04:19.880 possibly um but um I always find it really weird that I was actually um about a mile away when I

00:04:29.140 grew up from Angela Rayner um she was on the Stockport girl on the council estate that actually

00:04:34.920 to be fair it was pretty rough where she is and um did she have a bit of a reputation back in the day

00:04:40.600 I did spread spread to where you are well I was down in Burnage so and then moved into an area called

00:04:47.660 a Fog Lane on the other side of it um was literally I was seven when she was born is

00:04:53.680 ah it's just it's gone uh uh recently criticized in any questions um I don't know Lucy Powell Lucy

00:05:03.360 Powell so you had Lucy Powell myself in the middle and then um Angela Rayner within all the kind of

00:05:08.320 she sounds much more middle class though Lucy Powell Lucy Powell goes to shares she was born in

00:05:12.780 born in Mosside there was no hospital in Mosside Lucy you couldn't have been born there if you

00:05:17.480 were born at all it was in Willington Hospital I could imagine her delaying delaying pregnancy to

00:05:21.380 18 even 19 and so her mum was uh the headmistress of the local comprehensive school her dad was

00:05:28.740 working in trade unions two of her aunts were also headmistresses of school and she lived in the

00:05:33.920 nice middle class area on the side of Fog Lane that we looked past the houses and dreamed

00:05:38.500 basically a genetic head girl yes a genetic Karen yes that's right right um okay so this is I mean

00:05:46.960 this is interesting because I mean this is only did you remember this incident it's yeah um Samson why

00:05:52.360 don't you play this with the sound off but this was basically the the video that emerged can't be more

00:05:56.660 than about a month ago um at this point where this guy is basically getting arrested because he asked

00:06:01.820 somebody to speak English we said that this guy wasn't speaking English or something like that

00:06:05.560 um and you know back in the days of a month ago yeah um suggesting that people should speak English

00:06:12.280 was considered an arrestable offense I mean it's a difficult thing a difficult position these people

00:06:16.480 are put in because an apologies to any police officers out there I'm aware that some police

00:06:20.280 officers are highly intelligent they become detectives and they solve major crimes and that's

00:06:23.900 that's great but the average IQ of a police officer the average is a hundred and a hundred IQ that's

00:06:30.900 so high yeah yeah yes it is perhaps it's lower now but it was about a hundred so that's kind of

00:06:35.540 Gareth Keenan from the office level that's the kind of people that would say things like if you talk

00:06:40.420 about physiognomy they'll say oh well you're not so good looking yourself so how can you talk about

00:06:44.880 that which is the obvious fallacious argument appeal appeal ad hominem or whatever this is this is not

00:06:49.940 intelligent people and they're being asked to negotiate the nuance of what is a highly subject

00:06:56.120 highly subjective and elastic and the whole point with woke rules is that they change all the time

00:07:01.980 because the whole thing is we're going to change the rules arbitrarily and frequently and it's a

00:07:07.220 signaling mechanism for high status people to show that they can keep up with whatever the latest twist

00:07:12.540 and turns of this nuance is but then it filters down to police officers who bless them um you know

00:07:17.780 doing their best and and they've got to interpret this so I I get basically if you don't under this

00:07:22.640 was it uh god what was the name called uh it's called rank concession syndrome and it's this idea

00:07:28.680 that if you're not if you're not part of something let's say status then you will imitate it but you

00:07:34.060 will imitate it wrong and so you'll imitate it in an ostentatious over-the-top way I forget the

00:07:39.400 sociologist's name it's some 1950 paper that looks at this and so obviously if the if the uh act of

00:07:45.940 parliament defines what is offensive and wrong in a certain way if you don't quite understand it

00:07:50.900 because you're imitating a higher class that you're not and trying to seem as good as them

00:07:54.320 you will go over the top because you don't understand the nuances well actually I quite

00:07:57.880 enjoy that particular analysis because I've often said that when you get to chief constables and those

00:08:02.300 who want to run the police in their particular areas they're actually sitting there delighted with

00:08:06.960 their wives perfectly happy that now they can stand in mayoral events or they're at the ve day at

00:08:12.020 the front because it's a social status that we've managed to reach and so there's a level of snobbery one

00:08:16.980 of those old classic things that come into britain from alfred's day and before is that's one of the

00:08:21.940 key elements of being look I could never have got there on my own the way that I've done it's by

00:08:25.940 brown nosing and accepting what my political masters tell me to do and if I want someone not to be able

00:08:31.440 to arrest them for saying they're not speaking if they're speaking english is an arrestable offence

00:08:36.020 because it's offensive I'm doing so because at least next week I'll stand in front of ve day and my

00:08:41.800 wife is happy and I can feel as though I'm one of the elite exactly I can feel and there's there's

00:08:46.960 probably an inherent insecurity to these people as well because these people have haven't got

00:08:51.000 degrees or whatever if they have they've probably been to bad universities so there's an inherent

00:08:54.440 insecurity about them and they would have to overcompensate by flexing power and by stretching

00:08:59.720 the boundaries of what is what is illegal and that's where it becomes really deeply offensive to

00:09:03.720 ordinary police officers who you rightly say they're getting to the job many of them those that I've met

00:09:08.180 when I was a junior barrister doing prosecution cases is they generally want to help people who

00:09:13.980 have been committed who had to face serious crimes but they're often caught between this trap of their

00:09:21.020 bosses who have a different agenda altogether I know plenty of police officers who didn't want to go out

00:09:25.760 and fight against their local individuals in the miners strikes for example so eventually they won

00:09:31.300 over and that's a classic case where they said okay Yorkshire policemen we know you're in the

00:09:35.420 communities you're friends with these people you grew up with them so what we'll do is bring a whole

00:09:39.760 load of Londoners in from the Met and they can have a good fight and knock them out and put them in

00:09:44.520 hospital and then you won't be blamed but at the end of the day people did blame them because they

00:09:49.280 were part of the institution who was doing as they were told there was something to be said as I

00:09:53.880 understand it when the police force first began there was a degree to which people that became

00:09:57.940 detectives and someone were relatively educated yes and then it was this is 1850s or 60s and it was felt

00:10:04.560 that no they need to be part of the community from which they come so they a it gives them a degree of

00:10:10.240 respect or so forth in among the community and so they're kind of pre-empting crime via

00:10:15.440 by just being there and be simply because they can think how they think they've grown up with these

00:10:21.880 kinds of people so there is some benefit to that sort of street smarts that kind of intelligence if you

00:10:27.200 want but unfortunately it's a problem when it's people who get into positions of uh and have to

00:10:33.080 interpret really vague and bad laws that's that's well yes and and a ruling sentiment and um you know

00:10:39.740 returning to the you know keir starmer's point about how we're supposed to be hearing english now i mean

00:10:43.480 we're going to have to explain why you know um half the signs on the tube station are now in foreign

00:10:48.660 languages yes i was there the other day i was i was there the other day and i thought this was a joke

00:10:54.880 actually when i first time have you not seen this have you not seen this no no i thought it wasn't

00:10:58.420 realistic because why this language and not any other because everybody there is bengali so pretty

00:11:05.160 much without exception uh to the extent that you if you want to go there you probably should learn a

00:11:09.780 little bit of bengali because otherwise you won't be able to make yourself understood with a lot of the

00:11:13.180 market trainers that are opposite that station that are in front if you're going to a foreign area i suppose

00:11:17.720 it's incumbent upon you to learn the language well that's a good point the kist armor is made yes

00:11:21.520 yeah yes you said it used to be the other way around um interesting point um my buttons working

00:11:27.280 no my buttons aren't working yet um somali here we go so this is somalian proficiency um the key

00:11:35.660 takeaway being and um i've got the comparison to the dutch people here but um if you're a dutch person

00:11:41.320 who has never visited an english-speaking country you are more likely to speak english

00:11:46.480 um than a somalian person living in the uk uh yeah yes yes that is that is true i mean i don't i

00:11:55.920 assume this is somalia rather than somaliland in somaliland which was british rule uh yes and the

00:12:02.140 standard of english is a lot better somalia was italian ruled and of course you still get elderly

00:12:07.100 people in somalia that can speak italian all right but but um that i didn't know with with the

00:12:13.260 education system having suba kwanaksan to any of us valley viewers yeah very good um this

00:12:20.280 kia starman's effort to try and get people to speak english you know there was some pushback

00:12:24.380 um from the welsh and the scot saying oh and the scousers uh well i don't did the scouse have their

00:12:29.520 own language i don't know so i'm manquinian so there's always this battle between liverpoolians

00:12:34.820 and ourselves i'll probably get killed for all our scouser friends out there but you know where i'm

00:12:38.120 coming from right i thought it was just dialect rather yeah we're not sure this yeah i checked

00:12:43.780 the numbers on on the scots uh and apparently um 1.3 percent of scotland's population can speak

00:12:50.180 gaelic which isn't that much gaelic um no it's not very much no it there's apparently there's more

00:12:56.720 gaelic speakers in nova scotia than there are in scotland and it's been maintained in nova scotian

00:13:01.820 communities okay uh but uh yeah it's uh but then of course there's scots and there's doric and some

00:13:08.100 people would suggest that those are separate languages to the extent that i was once in a

00:13:11.180 pub in aberdeen and this girl comes up to me and just says some gibberish and i went what she was

00:13:16.820 and then says it again in english and she was speaking in doric so it's different which is the

00:13:22.460 aberdeen version of scots so it was different enough that i couldn't understand it at all um so

00:13:28.220 it could be argued if you of course scotland doesn't have any immigrants hardly at all so

00:13:33.380 that's why it's able to virtue signal about the it's a bit cold they don't want to go of immigrate

00:13:37.340 well to be fair they come to finland which is even colder because it has a good welfare system

00:13:41.180 ah but but but uh yeah you could argue that they should be learning scots oh if they go to wales

00:13:46.760 they should be learning well welsh are doing a bit better apparently um 17 of the welsh population

00:13:51.900 can speak uh welsh which seems astonishingly high to me well you'll be fair i lived

00:13:58.200 in colwyn bay in clandidno and they spoke welsh pretty clearly up there in north between the

00:14:02.360 north and the gogs there's the goglites right i went to aberystwyth university and i spent my first

00:14:07.180 year in in punterkellan uh which was uh they were there they regarded that as their oxford college where

00:14:14.340 everybody spoke um welsh you know every evening they'd have their dinners with welsh speakers coming

00:14:21.200 up on the way that it was introduced as a formal college for them um unfortunately being somebody who

00:14:27.440 couldn't speak welsh at all when i got there tried to learn it and realize that once you've got seven

00:14:32.060 words for the that was too much for me uh particularly as a manc union and so huge number of words in

00:14:38.580 there and all i remembered learning was dimmer smogu dim parkio and dim manchio which was no smoke

00:14:44.140 dim no smoking uh no parking and a dim manc oh okay that's what was given to you basically was it

00:14:51.640 yes that's right it's dim manc stupid manc union yeah that's that was me stupid manc union because

00:14:58.180 i couldn't speak welsh at the time of my year there right so that was it yeah well it remains to be

00:15:03.780 seen if the welsh and scottish governments are going to impose similar um edicts upon uh upon their

00:15:08.740 immigrants uh but i don't i don't know on that i doubt i doubt that when you see the councils up in

00:15:14.800 the north of wales and they were not doing that then yes apparently um the the uk government is

00:15:20.260 is at the moment spending 200 million a year of taxpayers money on providing um free translation

00:15:26.920 so this i don't understand so my wife was raised in australia uh in the finnish community there and

00:15:34.400 a lot of these fins would in the 80s and a lot of the 70s a lot of these fins would find jobs for

00:15:39.260 themselves and my wife's uncle by marriage she he lived there from 1967 or something to his to his

00:15:46.640 death if not quite recently and he never learned english because he was always with other fins and

00:15:52.400 so on now when he needed to go to the doctor of course the doctor didn't speak finnish so what all

00:15:56.520 that happened they didn't provide translators his wife went with him and his wife could speak english

00:16:00.820 and his wife acted as the interpreter that slows things down a little bit perhaps but it doesn't you

00:16:05.780 don't have to spend that i think slowing down is the point so for example when i speak of police

00:16:10.640 officers i've got a mate of mine who's a police officer and um he was telling me that there is

00:16:15.060 um an interesting combo in his area basically there's a deaf iranian um burglar who gets caught

00:16:25.160 every now and again um and there's also basically one the police coming yeah and and there's there's

00:16:32.120 also one guy in hampshire who can provide um signing in farsi um and and so and so basically

00:16:42.100 this this second guy's services are in demand because the other guy isn't a particularly

00:16:46.560 proficient at not getting caught so every so often they have to bring him in and then they have to go

00:16:51.040 and basically are they in cahoots and they split the difference on the pack well i wonder i've always

00:16:54.580 wondered if they're brothers or something but no apparently apparently they're quite separate or

00:16:58.640 something but you know they have to provide a friend if you can get caught this week okay because

00:17:03.660 i need a little extra on my mortgage but he could just he could just pretend to be deaf and frankly

00:17:07.340 if someone was in speaking farsi sign language we're not to know so it could be like that south

00:17:12.480 african that was doing sign language at melissa mandela's funeral you know just it could be anything

00:17:16.000 yeah so it could just be that just that sounds dodgy to me that sounds well i i said well i suspect

00:17:20.680 that especially amongst the criminals a lot of them are that they actually do speak english but they know

00:17:25.600 it slows down the process if you say okay well you know i've got a i've got to wait for the one

00:17:29.720 farsi sign translator who's coming on holiday for two weeks can't wait for that i mean the useful

00:17:34.780 thing wait for that podcast i don't know about the useful thing of course is if i'll see how if you

00:17:39.420 speak if you as i think it was uh what was that guy called with the limp that used to do

00:17:43.360 tourism programs in the 80s and 70s that would walk along with the limp that guy what was his name

00:17:48.720 famously um and um when when michael palin set up his around the world in 80 days he got he got

00:17:54.580 advice from from him what was his name but anyway uh he said to he said palin says well should i should

00:17:59.800 i learn the foreign language and he said no no no you you'll just put you in a position of weakness

00:18:04.060 straight away always speak english that puts you that's your native language it puts you in a position

00:18:09.540 of power straight away well the way the way i do my holidays is is i very well not well once with

00:18:14.120 a wife when i go alone is i never fly out of the same airport that i flew into so i mean i'll go

00:18:18.980 into i don't i don't know northern vietnam and i'll have a flight coming out of southern vietnam

00:18:23.800 and then my holiday is basically traveling between the two and i often end up in completely remote

00:18:28.700 areas where there's you know very few people around or anything like that um and i've never

00:18:33.240 actually had a problem speaking english i mean once or twice i've had to sort of point at things or

00:18:37.520 something break out google translate but i mean you could be in the middle of nowhere these days and

00:18:41.580 everyone speaks english or you could where are the comments can i see the comments oh um because

00:18:46.400 then someone might know the name of that limping uh tv presenter that i can't remember the name of

00:18:50.180 okay they may come through on this yes uh if if anyone on rumble can send a super chat as to who

00:18:58.800 a limping guy in the 70s was yeah yeah yeah yeah limping limping tourism presenter yes or or failing that

00:19:06.160 when we get to the um the website comments at the end i'm sure somebody would oh wait till the end

00:19:10.460 for failing that we can always google it in in in a slack moment um but i i ought to i ought to round

00:19:16.140 this off yeah um i mean the key issue really is is not so much about the fact that um uh you know

00:19:24.080 people come here and don't speak english because as far as i'm concerned let's say you're an indian

00:19:27.860 centimillionaire and you want to come here and spend your time on bond street clearing the place out

00:19:33.080 um speak whatever language you like i mean the core issue is that people are coming here going

00:19:37.960 straight on benefits and not even having the current alan wicker oh ah okay i didn't know wicker

00:19:45.200 had a limp okay well there we go we've got that sorted yeah no the key issue is that people are

00:19:49.440 basically coming over on welfare and um you know are not even bothering to learn the language and

00:19:54.180 this this this is interesting in terms of yes because it doesn't marry up with the asylum applications

00:19:59.240 which is which is fine because we've had basically 1.2 million asylum applications the center

00:20:05.540 for migration which is similar to name to these some people start confusing us even though i've

00:20:11.280 been around a lot longer is that the top ones are iraq iran afghanistan and then eritrea and then we

00:20:20.220 we actually then got india and china but here we've got the congo coming in at benefit claims

00:20:25.560 and also algeria uh which isn't a morocco which are not really even in the top top 15 i i i want to

00:20:35.860 go to a somali restaurant oh we've actually got one in swindon have you yeah yes it could be

00:20:41.800 ethiopian is there much difference i don't know it has to be somali um because i and the problem is

00:20:47.160 that there's none of them in central london and two two meetings with people running i've said let's go

00:20:51.820 to a somali restaurant but we're in central london by the time we finish the interview and or having

00:20:55.480 a laugh then we're too knackered to go out to putney or something to get to get to a somali

00:21:00.640 restaurant so it's very elusive and i've never why why are you so keen to attend to some i just it's

00:21:06.120 just so strange that most ethnic groups seem to come to foreign countries and set up things so in

00:21:11.360 finland where i am yes there's lots of iraki shop lots of iraki shops that bring in meat from bosnia

00:21:16.580 or something it's frozen and it's much cheaper than getting it well that's that's the argument as to

00:21:20.460 why we need them isn't a sudanese shop in olu but the somalis for some reason don't seem to set

00:21:27.060 anything up well the entire left-wing argument is yes they're coming here yes they're committing

00:21:30.840 crime and terrorism yes they're going on welfare but they bring yummy food with them therefore it's

00:21:34.900 okay there's no yummy food to be fair i've had nigerian food nigerian food is basically normal food

00:21:40.520 with lots of pepper on it it's not yummy so that's out i'm always reminded that scene from when harry met

00:21:45.840 sally where he takes her to an ethiopian restaurant and he goes i really didn't think they'd have

00:21:50.060 anything to eat in the ethiopian restaurant that's very good that's very good that's like that's like

00:21:54.580 a joke from the 1980s it is a 1980s obviously we'll get cancelled and burnt alive as we leave the

00:22:00.680 studio for any i've got i've got another joke about the opians i could tell but it's um it's not for

00:22:05.040 any zoomers listening uh when we were young lads all we ever heard about was ethiopian famine

00:22:10.020 yes that's right it turns out they didn't have a shortage of food um they were just in a civil war

00:22:15.380 with their neighbors and or civil war uh war against their neighbors and they were basically

00:22:19.480 sending their grain to the russians in order to buy weapons yes and that's why they invented red

00:22:24.660 nose day yes the the lenny henry thing that's the thing yeah i don't i don't know if the zoomers

00:22:30.060 know what red nose day is um mario perkins here was asking does does the same go for british

00:22:36.400 expats living in spain um i would imagine well that's up well first of all that's up to the

00:22:40.680 spanish and i'm so yes the parasormalized it true fins which is the second biggest uh

00:22:45.760 the party in the uh finnish coalition finished governing coalition said there should be on the

00:22:50.880 spot like on the spot basic finish tests for foreigners which my attitude is bring it on i would

00:22:58.460 i would pass that on the spot test mainly because i had to take my daughter to the park every day when

00:23:02.620 she was a baby no one at the park spoke any english and so i had to learn finish that's what

00:23:06.080 forced me to learn finish after a couple years in the country but you do get a lot of people in

00:23:10.340 the country i know people have been in the country in fact even when i was coming to the uk uh the the

00:23:15.120 um the woman at border control said to me uh oh you live in so you you live in finland i said yeah

00:23:20.120 and then she asked supposed to be in finnish and she was surprised that i could speak any finnish at

00:23:24.280 all you do get a lot of european expats that come to these countries working for dokia or working

00:23:28.760 for universities and they just don't bother learning at all i don't know and i think the brits if they're

00:23:34.280 out there in spain many of them know a few words of spanish you'd have to this english is not good

00:23:38.040 in spanish that's my point yes but i mean again again it's different they're not arriving and

00:23:44.040 going on welfare i mean they're they're basically arriving with their pensions and they're spending

00:23:47.540 money in the local if you get a job at a university in norway as a foreigner um you're given two years

00:23:53.640 to learn norwegian i think it's two years to a reasonable degree right and they will test you on

00:23:58.680 that and if you don't manage to help learn enough norwegian they will just fire you okay i had a

00:24:03.640 norwegian that's quite important actually so you're really useful way of doing it because when i i

00:24:08.440 lived in portugal north of portugal for a year and actually i was teaching english as a foreign

00:24:13.640 language and they said don't learn portuguese in order to teach english as a foreign language because

00:24:19.080 it's it's better for the students to know that you're english but at the same time in that area

00:24:23.640 which is small villages not many of them actually spoke english so i had to learn portuguese

00:24:28.920 well i do remember having a brilliant conversation about football you know as ben fico sorry sporting

00:24:34.680 lisbon had come up to porto and there was a mass fight going on the taxi driver dragged me into the

00:24:39.560 car to to save me from being attacked by sporting lisbon and took me to a coffee shop well that was nice

00:24:47.400 a scottish friend of mine who speaks finnish and he has a friend who's italian and he speaks

00:24:52.360 finnish but not english and we must met up a few years ago the three of us and we just sat there

00:24:56.520 speaking in cod finnish and it was perfectly fine um where i will end on this is um

00:25:06.440 you've got you've got to remember the um you know the fingers of the dark lord in the background

00:25:10.920 a part of this drive of um you know the this this swing to the hard right that um that starma has taken

00:25:17.800 um is going to be used to to push out digital ids um and and the uh the way the way in that they're

00:25:24.040 going for is okay we're going to roll it out for um overseas citizens we're going to start there we

00:25:29.320 make it a thing there we prove it there um and then after it's been there for a few years we find

00:25:34.920 another category of people to roll it out to i don't know students or something and then they roll

00:25:38.760 it out to somebody else and then eventually it'll just be everybody yeah i mean and this is a disgrace

00:25:43.960 i mean i do fear this along with the digital currencies which we're currently examining

00:25:50.280 the bank of england are working with various banks to control how we're spending our money

00:25:55.800 they're already managing to destroy the freedom of cash which gives us an ability to be able to

00:26:01.720 spend as we wish by making sure that many places in winchester as you know you know it's very

00:26:06.280 difficult to actually go and spend cash anywhere in winchester a lot most of the pubs now will

00:26:10.920 even allow you to buy a drink in winchester in winchester yes are you telling me that the

00:26:15.880 black boy in winchester is cards only i do not yeah that still exists but yeah it's great yeah

00:26:22.120 it's a great place but i've not been there for a while to know but i know most of the central ones

00:26:25.800 now and the coffee shops too apart from the chains they they do but a lot of them now turn to cards

00:26:31.960 yes so um anyways that's a key point um speak english and i think yeah or the first in last out

00:26:37.000 in winchester i know the pubs in winchester quite well my grandfather was born there

00:26:40.040 oh um some some comments um from uh people so so uh stiglestone says oh it just leapt um i don't

00:26:49.080 understand but they bring youngie food arguments um if uh when the internet exists to see their food is

00:26:57.480 moving on yeah um that's a random name says a question for ed if the average cop's iq is 100

00:27:03.320 can you give us examples of what defines each uh standard iq deviation as in how accurately to

00:27:09.720 guess somebody's iq by observing them well not within the time limits that we've got but let's

00:27:13.720 see if we can come back to that one at the end um somebody says uh chat says it's sam hyde

00:27:19.960 under the alias alan wittaker i can answer that quite quickly

00:27:24.040 gone we're fine so so all right 100 iq then policemen people that work in offices 85 iq low-level

00:27:29.880 security guards things like that people that work in shops um 70 uh uh unemployed people people on

00:27:35.560 the dole whatever 115 high school science teacher something like that uh high school teacher and

00:27:41.480 130 would be a professor of science something of that order right 145 145 would be a physicist

00:27:48.680 um excellent right okay let's hear about um mr khan right well is this is this working now or not

00:27:56.760 at all am i going to your box might be but mine wasn't let's have a go uh it's not working very

00:28:02.120 well is it so um if samson can just bring it down and just play this clip for us a bit so actually

00:28:10.040 not just yet so let's give give the context about it um an interview two days ago on uh o'brien's

00:28:18.280 show in lbc khan comes in and he's asked a question that listen starmer is your friend how do you

00:28:25.960 how are you going to deal with him when he is now sounding like he's enoch powell and all this

00:28:33.960 about immigration and one of the responses that khan brings out and what lbc if you go up a little

00:28:40.840 bit says there i think um sadi khan has a lovely stat that says dispels the ideas that migrants are

00:28:49.960 sponges or skyvers first of all note that the use of the word migrants there but then we go in and

00:28:56.760 listen to the actual sense uh the statement from we get it there a skilled migrant will contribute on

00:29:04.440 average 16 000 pounds a year towards our economy and that's when you include the public services he

00:29:10.920 or she may use by the way compare that to a brit skilled worker that's 800 pounds minus public services

00:29:17.960 they use and here's the lovely stat a skilled migrants family will contribute to the british

00:29:23.160 economy 12 000 pounds a year that's when you even when you take away public services they use

00:29:28.760 a british skilled workers family takes from the economy 4 400 pounds when you include public services

00:29:36.520 they use so the idea that skilled migrants are sponges or you know skyvers is just isn't the case

00:29:43.160 right that can't possibly be true that sounds like you might as well remove the whole native

00:29:47.960 population what the hell does that mean that's that's the first point if foreign workers and

00:29:52.680 skilled migrants are absolutely so brilliant then all we need to do is just get rid of everybody

00:29:58.520 sorry get rid of everybody that is a brit a home state individual because clearly we're such a drain on

00:30:05.720 society but the fact figures and facts are just absolute nonsense it just stands to reason it

00:30:12.520 cannot possibly be i mean i know we're running a deficit but we're not running that sort of deficit

00:30:16.280 yeah and and so everybody's listened to this has gone a bit bit viral his statement i think that

00:30:21.560 had something like two million views on on this i think we we start obviously seeing uh the claim

00:30:28.680 and this is the main claim that he's made skilled migrants family will contribute 12 000 a year to the

00:30:33.880 the economy where a british skilled worker's family takes from the economy over 4 400 was the number

00:30:39.960 he used so there's a 16 400 pound difference between a british skilled worker's family and otherwise

00:30:48.680 now i'm going to pull talk about how we got to these numbers just to show how poor at maths he is

00:30:56.120 on terms of this but connor um i'm speaking to connor about this as well he's he's had an analysis of

00:31:02.920 it he talks about only 15 percent of british uh post-brexit migrants can print can principally

00:31:08.200 work of those skilled worker visas the obor this is one of the things the obr only a few months ago

00:31:13.880 admitted that 60 percent make less than the median salary 50 percent of skilled world earn less than

00:31:19.960 half the average salary costing british taxpayers 151 000 pounds each by the time they retire he goes on

00:31:28.680 to talk about other numbers life expectancy to 81 they cost us 460 000 and if they go up to 100

00:31:35.960 they're costing us 1 million pounds there's further studies on there then uh wolf not me

00:31:44.280 uh world by wolf just shows that the skilled migrants make up a tiny fraction of the number of visas

00:31:51.240 that are actually issued each year i'm doing a little bit of work on this at the moment uh myself

00:31:56.680 like he's just being incredibly selective of who he picks out of the migrant so for example when i was

00:32:02.440 in when i was in the city i mean you'd walk through one of the big investment banks and it would be

00:32:06.920 uncommon to find say a whole table of french analysts or bank haribar if you ever worked in

00:32:12.280 there as i've done for a while or a table of three in quants or something like so it'd be quite and and

00:32:17.160 typically what would happen is the whole team would move from one bank in one country absolutely to

00:32:22.360 another london bank now those people um i don't think we mind that immigration because they come

00:32:26.920 over they earn an enormous amount and they pay an enormous amount of taxes and then eventually

00:32:30.360 they go home again it's fine yeah now so if you want to sell if you want to make them your example

00:32:35.560 of immigration then fine of course they're going to be contributing a lot of money but the vast vast

00:32:40.440 amount of immigration is people who who don't contribute anything well the point that he's raising at

00:32:45.320 the moment i go that towards this on the end is because keir starmer is saying skilled workers in his

00:32:50.920 recent speech we're going to bring down the numbers of skilled workers that have arrived in

00:32:55.640 here particularly we're taking away the visas of those in care homes and so this argument now

00:33:01.640 that's not a skilled worker that's wiping old women's asses and things well i'll come come to that

00:33:06.760 in a moment and also isn't dependence but with an e i don't mean to be pedantic but um is it i don't know

00:33:15.400 i can't spill yeah i think it is actually i'm just seeing on that but that's that's the home

00:33:20.600 offices work now so first of all before i like to go out and criticize what is obviously the blatantly

00:33:26.760 obvious yes uh to clear of us we want to try and work out where did he make such a statement from

00:33:32.200 this so initially it wasn't obvious um and i and i'd have forgotten about this report and then i went

00:33:38.200 right okay i come across the migration advisory committee annual report there's some good people

00:33:44.120 on it madeleine sumption from oxford migratio trust she's pretty reasonable normally hot in the stats

00:33:50.280 but most of the migration advisory committee which is the committee that i advised boris johnson to

00:33:55.240 actually establish during the the the um brexit campaign and when i wrote the paper a fair flexible

00:34:01.000 forward-thinking immigration paper was one that was supposed to be an organization that looks at our

00:34:07.000 economy works out where the skills are needed do we need more bankers do we need more footballers

00:34:12.840 playing for man united that come abroad so they can actually win that sort of thing i think no to

00:34:17.480 all of those but we do need a better class of politician and so we're looking at that and

00:34:21.000 instead they filled it with a whole load of of people that uh when i look at them is their reports

00:34:27.320 and stats always favor uh the migrant coming in no no no paul collier from cambridge for example

00:34:34.360 who wrote home state hostate which is a vital piece of uh book a vital book if you want to understand

00:34:39.960 the whole arguments and when you go through this and i'm i'm not going to tell the audience to

00:34:46.520 to to read it completely they can if they want and i'm certainly not going to read it here

00:34:50.920 this is the report that it goes through and here are the individuals professional by uh brian bell

00:34:56.520 dina keywin sergi padras prado madeline sumption joe swaffield most of those are utterly left in terms of

00:35:03.400 the way that they assess it and they try to try and justify their arguments about mass migration

00:35:12.600 through the migration advisory committee in reports like this and i broke it down so that's where the

00:35:18.760 paper come from that he obviously is referring to and one of the key findings within the government

00:35:27.000 on page 28 at the bottom if you read this here it says it provides our estimates of government

00:35:31.800 expenditure at individual levels from main applicants adult dependents child dependents

00:35:37.240 on the skilled worker visa and here's the key point in comparison to the equivalent uk born adult

00:35:43.080 not the comparison comparison to an equivalent skilled worker uk born adult right it's a complete lie

00:35:51.400 so it's a complete lie he's basically he's basically comparing working class people with middle class

00:35:54.840 people and uh sort of yes that's right he's comparing a bank banker uh bp bmp paribar

00:36:00.680 to someone who's working in a in a factory and does he know that or has he just been badly advised by

00:36:06.200 his sycophant well this is the report this is the mac report this is page 28. he wasn't he he isn't

00:36:11.160 conscientious enough to actually read the report oh i don't i don't for a minute think we think he

00:36:15.160 probably just told some underling that he was going on the radio put out some stats right yeah now

00:36:19.800 interestingly enough uh this is what the migration advisory committee says a skilled worker volumes

00:36:25.960 for 2022 2023 and and a fascinating element about that is they're saying there's 170 300

00:36:35.080 main applicants children and dependents come in that and we've only got 329 200 of which he says

00:36:42.280 they make a contribution of 12 000 pounds which is obviously the tax that they supposedly pay well for

00:36:48.760 a start that's out of 1.4 million so so you know there's 1.1 million additional immigrants on top of

00:36:54.600 that number absolutely so there again another blatant use of facts to try and justify his argument but

00:37:02.440 we'll look at that and and the migration advisory committee when they're dealing with this when

00:37:09.560 they're saying the analysis of skilled workers and uk adults to ensure consistency i don't understand how

00:37:14.360 they can say that for a minute that it's consistency but they also do say it's a specific point in time

00:37:21.560 they're analyzing the 329 200 skilled workers and the cost to the government on the day that they're

00:37:30.360 here or this year but they're doing the cost to skilled workers at uk workers across their lifetime

00:37:38.040 so the skilled workers they're saying do not claim benefits now when they get here they're young

00:37:44.120 they're virile workers they're virile workers they don't get pensions like the brits in there at all

00:37:49.800 so they're not claiming off health care because they're getting older but at that time they're

00:37:53.960 young virile paying taxes they're not saying what happens to them over the period of the time that

00:37:58.520 they're living here or when they can claim benefits once they get indefinite leave to remain

00:38:03.160 after three years so again they've cherry-picked the numbers and one of the things i put on my my

00:38:10.680 my tweet here is the 12 clay is just wrong it would mean those 329 000 is actually 172 000 would need

00:38:19.480 an average of 82 500 a year to actually make those numbers work bearing in mind the vast majority of

00:38:28.120 the skilled workers that they call skilled are care home recipients right and in what sense though that's

00:38:33.240 my question this term skilled it seems to have been stretched out of all proportion i would think that

00:38:36.840 a skilled person would be a person that was specifically trained in a complicated trade

00:38:41.640 yeah electrical engineer or something um right at the very least some of the that was a maybe had a

00:38:46.840 postgraduate qualification or something whereas what i see a lot in my local area is um obviously

00:38:53.000 immigrant people shepherding around um people with mental infirmities of some sort i see a lot of that

00:38:58.680 right that's unskilled workers yes but but from what you just said they go in the skilled workers yes and

00:39:03.640 what's interesting i mean now you've got it i'm perhaps i would have been better of pulling that

00:39:07.800 out actually the migration advisory committee tries to assess the question of what is skilled workers

00:39:12.920 and they include skilled workers as chefs those working in the construction industry possibly yeah

00:39:19.080 depends which type part of the construction industry people working in care homes so they do this list

00:39:25.400 and then they go oh well perhaps the use of the word skilled worker is not really the best definition of

00:39:31.320 what we're looking at perhaps we should look at educational or academic equivalents but they're

00:39:38.200 not doing that they're literally saying everybody that comes here is a skilled worker it seems to me

00:39:43.560 they're saying everyone that is a worker is a skilled worker yes well i suppose a waiter is not a

00:39:49.240 skilled worker but a chef is so is that right and they're yes and they're the ones that defined

00:39:54.600 what is a skilled worker because they're the migration advisory committee they advise what the categories are

00:39:59.720 they're used by the government to implement it into visa policy so when someone makes an application

00:40:06.600 for a business for somebody who's doing a chef at your kebab bar he's a skilled worker because he can cut a bit

00:40:13.800 of so so this this makes it even more worrying to me that they've they're obviously making it as broad as

00:40:19.800 as they possibly can yeah and yet even then out of 1.4 million people that arrived only 300 000

00:40:27.480 of them get classified as skilled so the other one point that's including their families it's actually

00:40:31.880 170 300 fair point okay so of 1.4 million people came here even 1.2 million could not meet this

00:40:39.960 incredibly broad definition of what skilled is and one of the things they're saying i think is interesting

00:40:44.360 you know there's that stereotypical kind of joke argument that the good thing about immigration

00:40:48.760 is that there's a variety of foreign food that's the only argument a lot of people can think of

00:40:53.240 but even that is breaking down because the first generation that come here yeah they they they run

00:40:59.000 the indian restaurants or whatever but increasingly the the kids who are born here they have other

00:41:04.120 ambitions they want to be lawyers or doctors or something like that and so then the consequence is

00:41:08.760 they're having to import chefs or whatever or workers from their restaurants in order to sustain the

00:41:14.360 restaurants yes and that's where they get the qualification that they're a skilled worker

00:41:18.600 and they make the application for a skilled workers visas but as i said actually here we are

00:41:23.880 the tax there is playing this 25 617 per worker that's the tax fraud scam the dependence scam is that

00:41:31.960 you know they're saying that the kids pay no tax but schools nhs housing benefit none of these actually

00:41:38.760 apply to them but of course over the course of their lifetime it may do one of the things i find

00:41:43.480 so confusing about this and i don't mean to big up finland where i live but what used to happen in

00:41:48.360 finland i don't know if it still does but 20 years ago it did it was quite rare unless you were applying

00:41:52.920 for a job in helsinki because lots of people live in helsinki that there'd even be other applicants for

00:41:57.160 your job so if you wanted to be a vicar what would happen is that the government would work out how

00:42:01.560 many vicars must we train a year just to replace those that retire and then they would say okay

00:42:07.880 this is how many we need therefore there will be this many theology places available funded by the

00:42:13.400 government with a grant at universities and no more and they and they did that pretty much with every

00:42:20.200 single job how many car mechanics we need a year to replace retirement this is how many car mechanics

00:42:26.120 we will train a year and no more now you see when i i i wrote my the paper that included the idea of

00:42:33.400 a migration advisory committee exactly based on that and there was a similar okay there was a slight

00:42:38.760 extension to kind of copy some of the more positive aspects of australia where they have a similar

00:42:44.600 situation where they work admittedly with business and trade unions and the nh to try and come a broader

00:42:50.040 number it's not exactly we need a hundred because sometimes that's more difficult someone might die in a car

00:42:55.320 accident tomorrow but they had a broader range even that range when i did it showed that we could

00:43:00.520 have a net migration of just 50 000 a year in terms of of the way that we got and that was actually then

00:43:07.240 actually being covered by the number of people that died so we've effectively moving towards a zero net

00:43:13.000 migration population increase because we'd bring in enough people people would die and our population

00:43:21.560 would actually level itself out now of course the argument about net migration is being driven by

00:43:26.920 the treasury the treasury has always said for many many years that we've got to keep gdp up we've got

00:43:33.160 to compete with our other gdp partners we've got to be in the top seven because if our gdp falls

00:43:38.200 to such a low level then the bond markets get concerned they stop buying sterling they stop buying

00:43:43.320 our bonds our interest rates will rise that will increase the cost of energy and we'd have mass inflation so

00:43:50.040 you've just got to keep pop pumping in population after population other other countries managed to

00:43:55.720 cope without massive inflation and without being having constant migration exactly and that's partly

00:44:01.400 down to one of the areas where we've got even going back to tony ben's arguments of socialism where

00:44:05.800 he said that we've got a low skilled low wage economy part of brexit was to try and drive us away

00:44:10.680 from that and increase the skills and level and we do that by reducing and also it fails to understand

00:44:15.080 it's very short term because it fails to understand that if you have a nation of strangers as as uh

00:44:21.320 tuti akir has has put it uh then this leads to further economic problems in the long run because

00:44:27.960 social trust collapses uh this causes prices to go up for example because you feel concerned about

00:44:33.800 stealing or whatever it happens to be so then you just have further problems which they're not thinking

00:44:38.520 about they're just thinking of a short-term economic model and i i i call i call this you know the

00:44:43.480 population growth that we've got is the population ponzi scheme because as you increase the population

00:44:49.480 it's exactly your point when you get a migration advisory committee they can't turn around and work

00:44:53.480 out we only need 50 um 50 deacons or 100 ballet dancers and human quantitative easing because yeah

00:45:01.080 because we've got so many coming out and and what i say there is look the uk comparison is saying

00:45:06.520 non-uk workers arriving in one year versus entire adult population is like the olympic sprinter is faster

00:45:11.720 than your grandma you know how hard would it be to just say this is how many medical doctors we

00:45:17.320 need to train a year this is therefore how many give or take we will train i don't think it's that

00:45:23.080 hard but the government seems to say it's a massive problem and they've been saying that for years and

00:45:26.760 that's one reason why boris brought in the boris wave which to be fair on kia starmer um so i'm

00:45:32.600 going to run through some very quickly here because looking at the time because when i have a back-end

00:45:37.320 discussion of this um here's another of their scams where they turn around and say uh the uk skilled

00:45:43.640 worker takes very little of the government expenditure uh 4 800 and 1 100 at the bottom for the whole

00:45:52.200 family but if you look at a uk born adult we're taking around 16 and a half thousand a year in terms

00:45:58.040 of from from the government what they mention is that includes pensions yeah it's what we get as a

00:46:05.960 pension right you know numbers have been fudged yes that's right so it's old age pensioners we put

00:46:11.960 into the system of our lives but now we're a net drain so if you eliminate but if you eliminate

00:46:17.480 if you say that those that work for the government which is what percent of the population what

00:46:22.760 population work for the government essentially civil servants doc teachers doctors they all work for

00:46:28.600 the government wouldn't be surprised off the top of my head is it 20 and then add the the sort of

00:46:33.320 what 20 or something that are unemployed or not fully employed so we're now on 40 and then add

00:46:39.240 those that take out more than they put in uh then you're probably dealing with a situation where about

00:46:44.040 50 of the population are actually sustaining everybody else almost and that's not sustainable

00:46:49.800 is it really no no i think someone has actually provided statistics that actually we now have a

00:46:53.640 situation in this country where we have a less of the population providing for more well yeah sure but

00:46:58.840 i i something like 46 47 are paying for 53 and it's unsustainable does that include the people

00:47:04.280 that work for the state who it used to be argued you shouldn't be allowed to vote if you work for

00:47:07.560 the state because you are part of the state yeah i'm not sure about that but i knew knew that numbers

00:47:12.280 were saying that we're in a level now where we we can't sustain this where more people the people

00:47:17.000 who are working in the contributory part of the economy is actually paying for those that are not

00:47:21.240 and it's less um i picked up on this one um that one is it there we are i'm going to come on here um

00:47:33.400 and this is why this is why he's coming out making statements as as khan and o'brien is because they're

00:47:39.880 now saying that starmer has crossed the line even for blue labor i know we're going to talk about it

00:47:43.800 briefly um because they're pulling out statements that in the rivers of blood they found themselves

00:47:48.520 strangers in their own country and starmer is saying we're risk risk of being an island of

00:47:53.720 strangers so even for blue labor which is they say it's blue labor but it's actually being run

00:48:00.600 blue labor's being run by a former communist and he admits he was a former gramsci and uh communist and

00:48:08.040 he views the whole of blue labor as an ability to to be socially conservative and reducing

00:48:14.200 uh immigration but it's too far for them to recognize that what's so potent about this word

00:48:20.680 stranger that's the interesting point i don't or they just there's nothing potent about it and they

00:48:26.600 just hope they can they can render it potent in order to manipulate people i mean you we have people

00:48:32.040 we know friends and acquaintances and we have strangers and and you can say that at an individual

00:48:37.320 level and presumably you can say that at a group level i mean i would say a group of buddhists are

00:48:41.080 strangers to me i know very little about buddhism i mean and and and i think when we talk when

00:48:48.600 powell was talking about this it's we obviously had smaller communities that were very tight-knit and

00:48:53.160 then we had individuals coming in the stranger argument was actually there when we talked alfred

00:48:58.040 used it in in uh the chronicles where he talked about the strangers to the east coming in and bring

00:49:05.240 them in that's why we had to have christianity to actually develop them and bring them into our own

00:49:09.880 christianity the idea of a stranger coming in has always been there the question is whether that

00:49:14.760 stranger itself is actually a danger or or something of betterment we all know someone who's come from a

00:49:21.480 different country different part of our own country that might have actually benefited our own community

00:49:27.320 benefit our own family but the the point about this is whether the vast numbers of strangers come

00:49:34.200 and have that benefit anymore and and i think it's not about the individual per se it's about the volume

00:49:41.880 yeah but you can literally if you read frank salter's book on genetic interests you can calculate

00:49:46.760 the number of strangers the foreigners that can come in from a specific country for it to be the equivalent

00:49:51.800 of you losing a certain number of children in terms of the in terms of the damage to your genetic interests and

00:49:58.760 this can be offset if let's say a danish person comes to england so a quite closely related person

00:50:04.280 and he comes up with an invention that's so fantastic that it's it's really useful for your

00:50:08.440 society and so then that it can be offset uh but but that that that problem is always there that you're

00:50:15.160 being um you're being i can't there's a word i'm not allowed to use isn't it but you're being that uh

00:50:20.760 uh by people of a different group i'm saying this coming across the the left we're attacking the

00:50:27.960 news agents here is alf dubs who they always bring out i have to admit you know because he and his

00:50:35.480 family obviously managed to survive outschutz cup and helped getting the the kinder children across so

00:50:41.720 they always bring out dubs on this he did they brought him out in brexit they brought him out in boris

00:50:47.000 johnson um and here he is i and saying it's regrettable language i'm unhappy senior

00:50:54.120 politicians are using the language reminiscent of this and then we come to the key takeaway being

00:51:00.760 don't ever stop mass immigration otherwise it will lead immediately to a holocaust yes of course

00:51:05.800 how manipulative yeah and i do not believe the prime minister would have wanted to invoke ena powell

00:51:11.080 his labour mp olivia bloke saying that starmer speech writers had never heard of ena powell's

00:51:16.200 river of blood speech i find that absolutely we need nonsense half the arguments the left

00:51:22.600 ever make about ena powell exactly that would they never ever understand absurd ena powell i should

00:51:27.320 emphasize did um instruct his supporters to vote labor in the 1974 general election yes and it's been

00:51:33.880 argued that that is why harold wilson won albeit with a tidy majority or was it even a hung parliament

00:51:39.560 uh the the the 1974 general election so he was he was for a period pro-labor

00:51:46.040 well look that was a particular time in our history where there there were clear differences

00:51:50.920 on issues such as the european union if you looked at labor at that time they weren't really enamored

00:51:56.040 of the idea of joining oh yeah i mean economic community i mean we'll talk about him next i mean

00:52:00.120 yeah so there was these big strong arguments that he made and of course he was falling out of the

00:52:05.800 conservative party at that time over this particular issue and and i didn't know that i didn't know that

00:52:11.480 it was actually that was the reason that they thought that he'd won the labor party there is

00:52:15.960 people that certainly there are historians that have argued that yeah because he had such big support

00:52:19.880 because of the 68 speech among uh working class people he had such big support they would do what

00:52:24.920 a lot of them would just do what he said so how should you as my supporters as power lights vote

00:52:30.280 and if he said vote labor um they would do it and it was felt because it was so close yeah it was

00:52:35.160 that that would that that would tip the tip the balance well you've seen this the mass attack on

00:52:40.600 kir starmer which i believe that the khan massive mistakes that he made over the numbers is all about this

00:52:48.120 particular speech that um the prime minister had made uh where he says i believe in reducing i'll play

00:52:54.840 this very briefly only just just to listen to the tone of the voice of um actually i've got to click

00:53:00.440 for the sound of a uh she's right i just want you to listen to the tone of his voice and because it

00:53:09.320 is what i believe in there you go look at that let me put it this way nations depend on rules

00:53:16.680 fair rules sometimes they're written down often they're not the key takeaway you're getting from

00:53:22.760 but either way they give just look at it's blair he's being blair even with the hand did you see

00:53:29.800 the hands exactly he has been around blair's house they've had a little snuggle and then blair has

00:53:35.720 taught him and rehearsed him on how got the same individual look at his face look at the fact that

00:53:42.680 he's right what is what is important is that we understand that we use our hands a lot when we talk

00:53:47.880 to show house and in this particular way and look straight in and then every now and again dip your

00:53:52.600 chin and look to be able to and hear but it's when he says you know it's something i believe in

00:53:58.200 look at the vacancy of his eyes there's nothing there that he believes in at all other than

00:54:03.160 maintaining power for himself at all and and i just find that very interesting but there's a more

00:54:09.240 interesting point that i i find fascinating about this whole it's joe biden to tony blair's obama

00:54:15.640 tony blair is still in charge and there's vacancy behind his eyes i think when you think about it

00:54:22.120 you know blair is still there he's behind him you've got mandelson as ambassador in the us

00:54:28.200 and alistair campbell is out there pontificating on his own podcast is the greatest alistair campbell

00:54:33.480 couldn't find um any reason to talk about this though he skipped it oh has he yes i didn't see that

00:54:39.640 my mate stammer can't do that but what i want to say is if samson managed to get this right this

00:54:47.160 this is something that i found really really important for us to get i've talked about how

00:54:53.000 the numbers that the ons the ob or the migration advisory committee have been looking at and why

00:54:58.760 have we been accepting mass migration for a long time and that's because the treasury on the main point

00:55:04.280 has been driving this agenda about growth and gdp and we need and there is evidence out there that

00:55:10.280 more people you get in you do increase gdp but gmp per capita actually how wealthy we are as individuals

00:55:17.000 has been on the decline now for the last 15 years we're now in a worse state than we used to be up

00:55:22.040 there at the top five gmp per capita we're now sitting there around 30. the decline is dramatic and

00:55:28.200 people don't understand that for every like percentage point we're losing 100 to 500 pounds per person

00:55:33.160 each year standard living is getting on it's getting to the point the standard is higher in slovenia

00:55:37.160 that's right uh than than someone's even talked about some african countries getting close to us

00:55:41.000 now when i'm not sure that's entirely right when we look at ghana and nigeria but certainly their

00:55:45.720 economies are growing on gmp per capita terms than they are perhaps on gdp so here we have that argument

00:55:52.360 and then what i ask excuse my ignorance but gmp is the sound living of ordinary people that's correct

00:55:57.960 so what why is gdp gross domestic product uh why is that considered more important really

00:56:04.120 important thing is the standard living of the people why not according to the financial markets

00:56:08.440 the financial markets look at you and turn around and say gdp is like how how how expensive is your

00:56:14.280 house is it going up really well you bought it for a million is it worth 1.2 next year is it worth 1.4

00:56:19.800 that's the net income of the country what are we producing allegedly so it doesn't matter that we

00:56:24.280 might have a few billionaires increasing their share prices in terms of their pensions but as

00:56:28.840 long as it looks good and it's growing your house and your wealth is growing as a nation so they say

00:56:34.200 that's important because then when we're lending money to you you're a safe bet but you think that

00:56:39.400 gmp is downstream of gdp like that well it's a different measure of how you look at the wealth

00:56:44.280 so the gdp is the wealth of the nation that's what they say gmp per capita is the wealth of the

00:56:49.080 individuals within that nation right and the way that gmp per capita is basically gdp

00:56:53.960 your total what is your household income including your house so if you've got a house

00:56:58.600 and a pension and let's say it's all a million and it's just you your own gmp per capita matches

00:57:04.200 your gdp it's a million because it's just one of you as soon as you get married and have children

00:57:10.280 your wealth is declined because there's now four of you so gmp per capita says you've got four but

00:57:15.880 actually it's now 250 000 each it's not quite identical to that analogy but the main point is as you

00:57:22.680 increase more people into your economy that wealth that you have if you now imagine putting a hundred

00:57:28.280 people in your house your house is still the same value but the income that you've got to feed

00:57:33.320 everyone suddenly means you've got less to spend on clothes yeah that's what's happening with ordinary

00:57:38.680 people right so ordinary we should focus on gnp i've i've been arguing this now for 10 years and

00:57:44.840 everyone says shut up steven the gdp is more important it's actually to be fair over the last 18 months

00:57:49.960 it's more conducive to the set of policies they want to but if we are we are a bit tight on time

00:57:54.680 so we probably we'll go into this briefly i just want you to listen to this because i'm looking at

00:57:59.320 the time migration yeah well thank you sam um just succinctly and then adding to the answer i just gave

00:58:05.400 firstly the the pure theory if you like that simply higher migration numbers necessary leads to higher

00:58:11.000 growth i think has been tested in the last four years we quadrupled in actually a very short period of

00:58:15.800 time um and you know i think whatever political persuasion you are it is quite extraordinary that

00:58:23.560 net migration quadrupled in four years and we've never seen that before in this country but growth

00:58:29.400 didn't shift it stayed stagnant um secondly this point about finally we have a prime minister who is

00:58:37.320 actually saying gdp has not grown that is a bit of a watershed moment and that is actually a major major

00:58:42.120 but most people haven't picked up on this and i find you know there you are a bunch of journalists

00:58:46.200 from all the major newspapers and and tv shows haven't picked up on the fact that here we have

00:58:50.440 a prime minister for the first time in 20 years has accepted and and it was the argument for 20 years

00:58:55.640 that that was the reason we had to do it although i'm not i'm not that hung up about it because they're

00:59:00.360 just pivot to a new reason and i probably will but this is crucial and i think it gives us an opportunity

00:59:06.360 now to hammer down on them yes we should hammer down on them to say we now have proof from your own

00:59:12.360 lips that what you've been saying for the last 20 years is incorrect and we should be able to focus

00:59:17.560 on what really matters which is the individual wealth and well-being of the people of this country

00:59:22.680 absolutely mass migration is not making us rich and dan does dan said then they'll just start talking

00:59:28.600 about humanitarian reasons and it'll be back and it'll be red nose day in the 80s which is why i'm

00:59:33.480 yeah pivoting back to the beginning of this this is why khan has emphasized these numbers on skilled

00:59:40.600 workers to say they're better or skilled workers good home workers bad there you go right um let's talk

00:59:49.240 about enoch powell because for the leftist simply citing the name elok powell is enough and and i don't

00:59:58.040 think many of them actually know what he said or much about the man i don't think many of us necessarily

01:00:02.840 have looked into who who enoch powell was and you know the character of the chap and all the rest of

01:00:07.080 it i have i'm sure you have had uh but but a lot of people are not so let's give you a very brief cv

01:00:12.600 of powell and then what i want to do is get into his rivers of blood speech and we're just going to

01:00:15.880 analyze it and see what it was that he actually said so enoch powell was born in 1912 in birmingham

01:00:21.480 but don't hold that against him he got a double first in classics from um cambridge university

01:00:26.760 uh he did further study at the university of helsinki um and this is where it gets interesting

01:00:32.040 he um was the youngest professor in the british empire because he became a professor of um the

01:00:38.920 classics at age 25 so a very very young professor the youngest in the empire at the time um he served

01:00:46.280 in world war ii with distinction um he entered as a private and was swiftly promoted to brigadier

01:00:53.720 one of the fastest promotions in british army history you know this is a man of considerable

01:01:00.920 capability um he became a conservative mp in 1950 and was until 1974 um he spoke 12 languages

01:01:10.680 if you're interested those languages were english latin ancient greek hebrew german french italian welsh

01:01:17.400 urdu hindi russian and portuguese all of them fluently uh he he declined the knighthood

01:01:24.360 because he he never wanted titles or establishments he just wanted to sort of get on and do things

01:01:29.960 um other notable things he declined to write a letter of recommendation to a young nigel farage

01:01:37.000 because he saw through him um at an early days um and he predicted that he would become more hated

01:01:43.320 than hitler in public discord um which of course um he has effectively for the left for the left

01:01:48.920 um and and is also to him we credit the line that all political careers end in failure so i mean he

01:01:55.240 was a remarkable man highly intelligent highly capable man um i'm not going to do what some

01:02:01.240 people do which is run away from me not power now i claim him for the right he is an example of the

01:02:05.960 absolute best of us um but then we get you know front pages like this where because keir starmer is

01:02:13.400 suggesting that he might turn off the taps of unlimited mass immigration uh well he's enoch

01:02:19.080 powell and enoch powell is obviously bad and therefore starmer is bad that's that's pretty much how the

01:02:24.280 logic goes yeah um and this is a cut from the this is the nationalist newspaper that's a that's

01:02:29.800 white that is a newspaper in scotland yeah that that had that front page on it yesterday so um

01:02:36.040 um let's go to i've got here a copy of the speech we might need to zoom in a little bit on that

01:02:45.880 a little bit more readable is that good okay so i want to go through um his speech i'm going to pick

01:02:53.080 out passages because we don't have time to go through the whole thing uh but just have a look

01:02:56.920 at some of the predictions he made and how did he get on with them so he starts off the supreme function

01:03:02.120 of statesmanship to provide against preventable evils doing so it uh in seeking to do so it

01:03:08.760 encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature one is that by the very order of

01:03:14.120 things such evils are not demonstratable until they have occurred um well yes my mind turns to

01:03:20.920 you know southport manchester arena the grooming gangs countless other examples he was warning about if we

01:03:27.480 go down this route um there will be many ill effects that come off the back of it and it won't be

01:03:32.520 provable until they happen and he was right yeah um he says i'll skip bits here and there in order for

01:03:40.520 the in order to get through this um above all people are disposed to mistakenly predicting troubles for

01:03:48.840 causing troubles uh or even for desiring trouble if only they love to think if people wouldn't talk

01:03:55.320 about it probably wouldn't happen and now this has been the story of the last uh 50 years 50 years um

01:04:04.280 people have hated on enot power because he predicted things negative consequences would flow from

01:04:10.040 immigration and to the leftist mind if you predict something it's as if you are summoning it into exactly

01:04:19.160 what jonathan miller said in an interview with him in the 70s exactly this because you with all of the

01:04:24.200 power of your office as a politician are predicting it you're kind of making it happen

01:04:28.440 and this is just magical things how they think yeah it's magical thinking yeah i mean he goes on

01:04:33.720 and talks about that in the in the very next line he says perhaps this habit goes back to the primitive

01:04:38.360 belief that the word and the thing the name and the object are identical and yes primitive people will

01:04:43.880 do this if you if you mention a thing it's like you're summoning it yes and and obviously

01:04:49.160 leftists are primitive people so if you say to a leftist you know i'm and and we've had this all

01:04:53.800 the time on the lotus seats we predicted things will happen and people will get angry with us and say

01:04:58.520 why are you trying to make that thing happen by speaking it by summoning it into existence and so

01:05:03.480 you know right at the beginning of this speech he hits the nail on the head of the fallout that we

01:05:08.200 caused from this for the next 50 years um i'll jump head down to this bit um okay this is a line that is often

01:05:15.880 repeated um in this country in 15 or 20 years the black man will have the whip hand over the white

01:05:23.320 man now um i'm gonna i'm gonna fact check that and go with um partially correct i say partially because

01:05:30.600 it wasn't the black man that had the whip hand it was it was literally everybody who had the whip hand

01:05:36.120 over the white man um let's see this box is working can you go to the next link samson um so here we

01:05:43.320 are i mean um you know i've picked out a couple of stories here so this is um you know people put

01:05:49.080 up some stickers and said it's okay to be white uh sparked a police investigation as as a as a hate

01:05:55.800 incident the same would never be treated of you know it's a if you put up a person saying it's okay

01:06:01.240 to be a woman or black lives matter or any of those things um that would never be treated in that way

01:06:06.840 um what else have i got i've got oh the nhs are um discriminating against whites in interviews

01:06:15.080 um so they've they've they've given themselves a rule the rooney rule um where basically they say that

01:06:21.400 um if they couldn't justify hiring a non-british national um then they will do so um so another

01:06:29.640 example there i think i do have more uh yeah so mi5 mi6 and gchq so the intelligence services of

01:06:37.560 this country um navy did the same yeah i mean there's a there's countless examples raf did the

01:06:43.720 same um you know they won't hire um whites if they can yeah unless they absolutely have to they

01:06:50.680 won't hire whites recently too so yeah you've got lots of these sort of things i i i might have

01:06:55.640 that as well and then of course um and it was only because robert jenrich pushed back so hard and made

01:07:01.400 it a thing but we've came um exceptionally close to basically having uk law um target white men

01:07:08.920 specifically where everybody else um you know if if you had um different levels of melanin or you were

01:07:16.120 a woman um you would get um lighter sentences than a white man a white man be would be specifically

01:07:22.200 marked out for receiving longer and harsher sentences ultimately the um non-whites entering

01:07:28.760 the government can be although it's it's sort of an emotive metaphor can be understood as the white

01:07:35.400 the black man having the whip hand of the white the white man and that started in i i suppose uh the

01:07:41.640 late 90s yes so so unless that if they support right-wing things they're called a coconut oh yes that's

01:07:49.480 that that is that is the amount of times that i got called that one why would you be why would you

01:07:53.720 be called well i'm i'm mixed race so i'm yeah absolutely if you look at my pictures when i'm

01:07:57.640 younger i'm much blacker than i am now i've just faded over time i like to say that i've faded uh

01:08:02.760 naturally like a cp photograph unlike michael jackson anyway he had a complete black and dexter

01:08:08.360 he put the creams on yeah that's right he painted himself white yes i just happened to go through my

01:08:12.840 melatonin seems to have disappeared apart from when i go on holiday then then i come back and i'm

01:08:17.480 now mistaken for whichever country i go into right so in turkish you name it yes but but that's the

01:08:24.520 same sort of thing the coconut argument for this is is disgraceful it's getting people to back off

01:08:29.240 from something that's right um but this so so i i will say that his claim was his prediction was

01:08:34.280 correct other than that it wasn't the black man it was it was literally everybody who wasn't white

01:08:39.160 uh we'll have the whip hand on on this um i can already hear the chorus uh of

01:08:46.680 excreation yes excreation how dare i say such a horrible thing how dare i stir up trouble and

01:08:52.040 inflamed feeling by repeating such a conversation so so yes i mean again this goes back to the idea

01:08:57.480 that if you talk about something you are summoning it into existence not that if you drastically change

01:09:02.920 the demographics um that will result in problems but that would result in no problems if you didn't

01:09:09.880 talk about there being problems it would go it would go swimmingly if you if you don't talk about it

01:09:15.960 um here he cites you know i'm saying what hundreds of thousands uh of people are thinking um yes and

01:09:22.840 and continue for another here's another meaty prediction that he got into um and bear in mind this

01:09:28.920 speech was in 1968 he says in 15 or 20 years on present trends um there will be in this country

01:09:35.240 three and a half million commonwealth immigrants and this and their descendants uh there's no

01:09:41.080 comparable official figure for the year 2000 but it must be in the region of five to seven million

01:09:46.040 approximately one tenth of the whole population and of course it would not be evenly distributed

01:09:52.280 uh from margate to upper wish this and uh from penzance to aberdeen notice that in the one that was

01:09:59.240 broadcast he didn't he used different towns oh did he this is the written speech oh okay it was

01:10:05.960 land's end john of groats he said in the oh okay that's a bit more relatable um maybe you found

01:10:11.880 aberrispeth too hard to actually say in this well i certainly did yes um whole areas and towns and

01:10:17.560 and parts of towns across england will be occupied by different sections of the immigrants and

01:10:21.640 indigenous immigrant descendant populations so how did he do on that one well um we did have the 2001

01:10:28.600 um uh census um and there were five million um foreign born or foreign origin people living here

01:10:36.360 eight percent of the population so it was very slightly off um on that one although then of course

01:10:42.440 it started to accelerate and by 2021 the figure is um 10 million but of course 2021 is before the great

01:10:49.960 boris wave um and if you if you take that into account that was what about six million people

01:10:57.000 something like that so you know we're we're already up to at least um 16 million um you know

01:11:04.760 must be about 25 plus of the population yes um so initially he was he was slightly over-egging

01:11:11.720 it but in the end he ended up um being very much under um and he was correct in that the it basically

01:11:18.920 clusters in certain towns and cities rather than being uniformly spread so he he got that part of

01:11:24.680 it right so so far um you know basically he's been absolutely spot on the entire time if anything he's

01:11:32.040 under-egging it um let me here we go so as time goes on the proportion of the total who are immigrant

01:11:42.360 descent those born in england who arrive here by exactly the same routes as the rest of us will

01:11:47.560 rapidly increase uh they did indeed are we're coming up on his first major um error um the answers to

01:11:55.160 the simple and rational questions are equally simple and rational by stopping or virtually stopping uh further

01:12:01.320 inflow and promoting the maximum outflow and here's the bit he got wrong both answers are parts of the

01:12:06.200 official policy of the conservative party and he could not have been more wrong but there was at the

01:12:11.480 time well the the policy we have to bear in mind with the conservatives as the policy that they talk

01:12:18.120 about and there's a policy they adopt that was the policy at the time that was the policy at the time

01:12:22.040 and they put up posters about about about re-immigration there was there was conservative

01:12:26.040 party policy in 1968 yes he's right well he didn't say that will be conservative party policy in 2025

01:12:34.680 well no i mean but i think i think you need to change that to black

01:12:39.880 he's right what he said i'm intense i i mean bear in mind they did kick him out the party more or less

01:12:46.120 for this speech so but that was still there that was still their official policy he was it was in

01:12:50.040 oh yes the official policy under boris johnson was that immigration would come down and what they

01:12:54.200 actually did was the complete and upper but i'm stating it's their official policy i don't mean

01:12:58.280 to be i do mean to be down to here well yes it is correct okay there's a bit like saying that

01:13:02.760 boris johnson's official policy was to reduce immigration while he massively massively increased

01:13:07.880 it but it's still his official policy all right okay i'll give you that i'll give you i'll give you

01:13:12.040 that i can't i'm enjoying it because i can see both sides of it all right okay well you can see both

01:13:19.080 sides of the completely no i can see that it's actually as the language is written it's right

01:13:23.720 but actually i also understand the policy decisions of all politicians yes they may write it down but

01:13:28.840 they never carried out yes and certainly when it comes to immigration looking back even from the time

01:13:33.320 of the conservative party then you didn't carry it out they were still allowing it to happen i i'll give

01:13:38.200 you the technical win but right but but technical only right um it uh it almost passes it's just

01:13:46.440 kind of ridiculous it almost passes belief uh at this moment 20 or 30 additional immigrant children

01:13:52.040 arriving um from overseas in wolverhampton alone every week that means 10 to 20 additional families

01:13:58.040 in a decade or two hence i mean first of all it's terribly quaint that he's worried about 20 or 30

01:14:03.480 um additional families in in wolverhampton um should we go and have a look at um uh wolverhampton here

01:14:10.520 here we go so here's wolverhampton um and let me see can i set here we go the proportion that are white so

01:14:20.200 let's take um wolverhampton central is now 40 white 40 60 something else so whites are now the minority in

01:14:28.920 wolverhampton this is the xenon powers i would see um and if you push down into into south wolverhampton

01:14:34.040 you know only 30 percent of people in in the in bracken hall are white um again only 30 percent

01:14:41.400 people are there are are white so you know he i don't think any because there would have been people

01:14:47.240 in wolverhampton who would have been appalled by what he said um who probably had no idea what was

01:14:52.440 going to happen to wolverhampton next um and in in finland when immigration first the same in

01:14:57.880 walsall isn't you know also burning them the whole lot oh yeah first began 20 years ago people would

01:15:03.240 know they were saying to me oh why would this happen here like no one wants to come to finland

01:15:06.840 why do you want to come to finland well because you've got a welfare system that's right um another

01:15:12.840 famous line to those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad they must be mad literally mad as

01:15:19.320 a nation permitted the annual inflow of some 50 000 dependent we would give our right arm for 50 000

01:15:25.320 immigration these days absolutely um for who are the most part the material future growth of the

01:15:30.920 immigrant descendant population um i in in the interest of time i won't look at the immigrant

01:15:35.320 well actually let's quickly look at the immigration chart like watching a nation

01:15:38.440 busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre uh yes yeah next line yes uh well that that's the

01:15:45.400 recent immigration chart and we've got the you know this is the conservative party policy and to be

01:15:50.680 fair it will come down i mean i my estimates it's going to come down to around 500 000 and that's

01:15:56.840 well yeah it's still still far here uh the obr and and the ons think it's going to be 360 000 as the

01:16:03.960 average for the next 10 years if my if i'm right we're 80 million people in this country by the time

01:16:09.240 we've got 2033 2034 outrageous we should be we should have a policy of getting the country down to about

01:16:14.360 40 million and how will we do it yes um oh he makes the point here about um for every you know

01:16:23.720 5 000 people who come in you can expect another you can expect 5x that number because of dependence

01:16:29.960 um he also makes the point that um you know this is making no allowance of fraudulent entry there's a

01:16:35.800 lot of that as well um he i mean he's he's partially uh pre-empting the small boats crisis there as well

01:16:41.560 but also the fact that a lot of people just turn up on holiday visas and then disappear um you never

01:16:46.600 see them again and for whatever reason they don't get counted on the immigration numbers

01:16:50.920 um you know he said he says that this should be reduced to um negligible proportions he does

01:16:57.000 hear talk about um he makes a distinction between settlement and um entry of commonwealth citizens

01:17:04.360 because though he was the um health minister for a while while while the nhs was expanding

01:17:10.040 rapidly after the second world war and as part of that because the nhs was expanding so fast they

01:17:15.480 did bring in um number of englian doctors for example um and and he was the minister who oversaw

01:17:23.320 that so he always draw a distinction between kind of goes back to our last segment actually skilled

01:17:28.920 immigration he didn't have so much have a problem with that especially there was some sort of work visa

01:17:33.160 arrangement um as opposed to people who were just coming here in order to settle and to you know take up

01:17:39.400 permanent residence uh in fact yeah i mentioned that below there so it was oh what happened there

01:17:48.200 we have that back sums and i don't know what happened there um there we are

01:17:57.240 so yeah a little bit there on his um yeah background his health minister oh so he brought in people from

01:18:04.040 india pakistan um bangladesh jamaica and barbados we did we managed to get lots of nurses coming in

01:18:10.280 from jamaica and barbados we got doctors from india yes and pakistan and bangladesh ended up going

01:18:16.440 not necessarily into health care from what i understood at the time they ended up going elsewhere but

01:18:20.360 uh we did well they had um basically full working rights yeah so it doesn't matter what they brought

01:18:25.480 over for they can then go off and do anything else um i've put this down as my my second great

01:18:30.680 failure i refer the honorable gentleman to the reply i gave some moments ago hence the um urgent

01:18:36.360 the urgency of implementing the second element of the conservative party's policy the encouragement of

01:18:41.960 re-immigration okay technically it was the conservative party policy they've never once done it

01:18:48.200 so nobody can make an estimate of the numbers of which generous grants and assistance would choose to

01:18:54.360 either return to their country of origin or go to other countries anxious to receive their manpower and

01:18:59.720 the skills they represent another quaint thing about the time in which he said this and at least the

01:19:04.840 people coming then actually had skills where of course the people we're trying to offload today

01:19:09.160 or hopefully we're going to be offloading today their only skill is is claiming welfare checks

01:19:13.880 so who the hell else is going to want them even their own countries won't want them back

01:19:18.360 um but you know that that was at least the case in 1968 that the people coming had some skills at

01:19:24.440 least um i do like this bit um it could be no part of any policy that existing families should be kept

01:19:31.160 divided so basically saying you deport them together um or you or you send them back to be reunited in

01:19:37.240 their country of origin uh the third thing which uh i i will i will skim over to to avoid any friction uh

01:19:43.720 but he's talking about conservative uh party policy again technically true um

01:19:49.640 um and oh here we go so this does not mean that immigrants and descendants should be elevated to

01:19:56.600 a privileged or special class that the citizen should be denied rights to discriminate in the

01:20:01.640 management of his own affairs between one fellow citizen that of another of course as we talked

01:20:05.800 about earlier um the white man is now actually discriminated against a whole number of ways hiring for

01:20:13.560 you know the armed forces the intelligence services the nhs for broadcast but also they've as you

01:20:18.120 said they've they've banned the right you used to be that your your home and including your business

01:20:23.080 was your castle and if you wanted to discriminate against somebody on any basis you wished then that

01:20:28.360 was allowed yes whereas now you can only do it against white men and but this was what that act

01:20:33.080 this is why he argued the act was such in 68 which will be speaking against was such a problem

01:20:37.880 because it would ban for example before that act landlords could say i'm not going to give you

01:20:41.960 lodgings because you're black and and it will upset my other lodgers and the attitude was what's

01:20:46.840 his house it's his house it's sacrosanct it's his house even if you disagree with his reasons and you

01:20:51.480 think it's it's it's unpleasant or whatever it is it's his house and and this undermined that

01:20:57.400 fundamental aspect of yes liberty yes um so here he is talking about um you know legislation against

01:21:07.400 discrimination as as we've seen that basically becomes discrimination but the other way against

01:21:12.760 against the majority population well it began the the basis of actually leaving us up to acts such

01:21:18.600 as the malicious communications acts i mean they all start stemming off in different ways you become a

01:21:24.840 hydra you begin with the so-called pleasant idea that we don't treat people differently because of color

01:21:30.760 or skin or race or religion which in principle we all agree with no one should do that and so by

01:21:36.040 enforcing it into legislation which then become part of common law it's what we talked about id

01:21:41.240 cards that we know what's happened when they bring it in for the foreigners we'll be having it up to us

01:21:45.640 next you know so the idea is this becomes a multi-headed hydra that extends their powers precisely

01:21:52.840 what happened their decisions to control us and make us think along their lines yes he says they've

01:22:00.040 got it exactly and diametrically wrong the discrimination and the deprivation the sense of alarm and the

01:22:05.320 resentment lies not with the immigrant population but with those who they come amongst and are still

01:22:10.040 coming again this is the leftist theme that to mention any criticism of of immigration while you're

01:22:16.520 creating alarm and resentment amongst the immigrant population actually no it's not interesting again

01:22:21.000 that he was working on that speech he had it written out and right to the last minute because what

01:22:25.000 he actually said was the sense of resentment and alarm so he reversed them and he was thinking about

01:22:30.760 the exact cadence of the words right to the moment he delivered the speech he was a very clever man yeah

01:22:37.880 um he he makes a distinction between the the uh black community in the united states which he says look

01:22:44.360 they were already in existence whereas the commonwealth citizens coming here they're basically leaving one

01:22:49.480 functional country and coming to another uh where they then get free treatment under the nhs um

01:22:55.480 again quaint that it was the nhs was seen as the big bill at the time not the welfare system and the

01:23:00.600 retirement system and all the rest of it but that was the the the immediate concern there um

01:23:07.320 talking about the existing populations and for reasons they could not comprehend they were never

01:23:11.640 consulted they never they found themselves made strangers in their own country so yeah so first of all

01:23:17.960 he makes the point that people were never asked about this and they were never asked subsequently

01:23:21.800 who in fact they were asked subsequently and they said yes we don't we don't want immigration

01:23:26.360 and they got it anyway that's right many many times every polling um for the past 20 years has

01:23:31.400 suggested that immigration is at the top of the tree and that we do not want illegal migrate

01:23:35.960 immigration and we do not want to have excessive immigration into the country but all the time

01:23:40.680 interestingly did he say that i don't i don't know what in the written speech and my memory of the

01:23:47.480 recordings is he goes on which they were never consulted and which they could never have

01:23:52.040 expected applause it could be and i don't think he said those lines which are now being attributed

01:23:57.720 to starma i think he had them written down in the speech and he had it's on the youtube version

01:24:01.720 one is an actor to be him and they but i i wonder if he actually said that oh that'd be interesting

01:24:07.080 but it is in the written speech yes well this is this is the bit that the people got upset about

01:24:11.400 in the last couple of days which they found themselves made strangers in their own country which we

01:24:16.120 know wherever my meme is there we go yeah so so very similar to uh to what what keir starman said

01:24:22.760 and of course you know kicked off all of this um he highlights an issue here um talking about the

01:24:28.680 the british popular they found the wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth their children

01:24:34.200 unable to um obtain school places again um exactly what has happened uh the pressure on service i mean

01:24:41.240 even starman talked about that in speech the pressure on public services

01:24:44.120 and the reason that pressure on public services is there is because we're rapidly expanding the

01:24:50.120 population um and these people bring dependence with them that need to go into schools and hospitals

01:24:55.080 and all the rest of it um people often like to say well the nhs wouldn't function because you know

01:25:00.600 without immigration because you know the the staff make up like 15 of the staff are foreign born

01:25:05.720 well yeah but something like 25 of the patients are so if you got rid of both sides at the same time

01:25:10.760 probably more because the the health level of the ethnic minorities is lower than that of the

01:25:15.240 natives controlling for age yes yes so in terms of let's look at it per capita rather than pure numbers

01:25:22.040 they are uh they don't like using the per capita you don't know that's true in terms of crime when

01:25:27.560 we look at crime numbers for example as conor tomlinson recently showed about the migrant break

01:25:33.480 gangs and the abuse gangs well that's just that's just a deliberate misunderstanding of

01:25:37.960 maths and in order to pass gcse maths you need to understand things like per capita and if they

01:25:41.720 don't then frankly they should be forced back to school until they do uh he says the sense of being

01:25:46.600 a persecuted minority is growing amongst ordinary english people in areas of the country affected is

01:25:53.000 something that those about direct experience can hardly imagine now he wrote this speech in 1968 and

01:25:59.000 he's talking about the sense of being a persecuted uh minority of the english people and it's taken yeah

01:26:05.240 it's taken until yesterday for the government to respond it took 50 years for the government and

01:26:13.640 that and i think that only happened because we've got people like david betts or whatever the king's

01:26:18.280 college london war expert talking about things like civil war yes and it being ramped up to such

01:26:23.240 degree that they know they're gonna they're gonna lose power they are losing power if they don't

01:26:27.720 like it's like the majesty or reformation if they don't sort of take control of this

01:26:31.480 then someone else they don't put a containment exercise in place they've got reform on one side

01:26:36.280 of things they've also got the muslim parties that are rising and the so-called independence

01:26:41.400 in certain areas like a girl from burnley who's what 19 who's just been elected as a councillor in

01:26:47.480 burnley and she is part of her policy say we should have segregation between men and women

01:26:53.000 in our schools yeah we got what was it five islamic mps now yep and i reckon you know if we did a

01:26:59.640 someone helped me overlook some of the polling potential polling they could move from five to

01:27:04.680 25 in the next election well and all labor seats and and and that's what um labor is thinking they're

01:27:12.040 thinking okay well next election you could have 25 openly islamic mps yes and you could have um

01:27:17.960 reform as the biggest party yes and they're being squeezed out the middle like you say and therefore

01:27:21.960 that's why they're having to put this containment effort in place where they start to pick up the thing

01:27:25.320 is i just can't why please just don't believe them if you're thinking of i suppose all the

01:27:29.800 people watching this channel won't vote labor in a million years but but it's the idea that you would

01:27:34.760 believe these people is it's just for me it's astonishing well it would almost be as mad as

01:27:40.680 believing the conservatives well yes exactly and that's why i was fully in favor of zero seats i

01:27:45.640 remember coming on here when it was i don't believe the labor party but i think they're slightly more

01:27:49.720 believable than the conservative parties they they they i actually believe the labor party will ruin the

01:27:53.560 nation it's their intention to do so because they just can't think out of the box when they were 17

01:27:58.280 or 18 and really being oppressed by someone else because they were yeah that's it it's the it's the

01:28:03.640 it's the child's never grown up it's the it's the kevin from harry enfield it's so unfair they're

01:28:08.360 motivated by resentment that they don't have power they never feel they have power when they have it

01:28:13.640 because they're because they're neurotic and they feel that the people other people are controlling

01:28:17.160 them and they lack a sense of agency and so therefore they will always fight for more power and against that

01:28:21.800 which is historical which symbolizes power it's resentment as dietrich said uh in in in one

01:28:26.600 party they will never they're just machiavellian let me skim for a couple of other points um he's

01:28:31.480 talking about the dangerous delusion of thinking that integration would be a thing uh we spent the

01:28:36.680 last 50 years um hammering that you know oh integration is going to happen any time now 50 years

01:28:42.680 ago he said no this is a nonsense integration is not going to happen he even points out to talking

01:28:48.440 about the immigrants coming he said to imagine such a thing enters the head of the great and

01:28:51.960 growing majority of immigrants and their descendants is a ludicrous misconception it does some though i

01:28:56.840 mean i looked at this in my book some yes yeah i looked at this in my book the past the future

01:29:01.080 country the coming conservative revolution and what you'll see is that some of them do this they white

01:29:05.880 a line uh particularly if they marry a native person and have a child and then they've got a stake

01:29:12.120 in the in the people and it's also different communities i found that within the black community for

01:29:16.360 example a lot of africans who were here initially and and west indian men are supportive of people

01:29:22.040 like tommy robinson for example seeks are supportive of that particular ideology and they were supportive

01:29:28.200 of brexit in big numbers that i found and so what you what you have is different groups are willing to

01:29:34.200 do so but in small numbers in very much small numbers we're almost at the end now so um now we are

01:29:40.600 seeing the growth of positive forces acting against integration of vested interests the preservation

01:29:45.800 sharpening of racial and religious differences uh with a view to the exercise of actual domination

01:29:51.720 over um first fellow immigrants and then the rest of the population what we just talked about

01:29:56.200 ago with with the openly islamic um mps um for the and this this hearts back to the fact the reason

01:30:02.920 he was giving this speech was about the race relations bill um for these dangerous and divisive elements

01:30:07.720 legislation proposed in the race relation bill is the very parabellum of what they need to flourish

01:30:12.280 it is the means of showing the immigrant communities can organize that's a key point

01:30:17.720 um the right gets arrested if they try and organize um the left or immigrant groups do not get arrested

01:30:24.840 if they want to organize uh yes very much so um i'll quickly mention some points of the race uh of the

01:30:31.560 race relations act of 1968 um it basically prohibited discrimination housing employment and public services

01:30:39.160 that was swept away by the equality act of 2010 um and under section 158 and section 159 it gives you

01:30:47.800 the sort of discrimination that has become commonplace these days so raf pauses uh job offers to white men

01:30:54.600 um calling them useless white men um that actually led to a senior um female officer um um resigning

01:31:01.880 in disgust of what they were doing uh and another example is you know here's a story by the police

01:31:07.640 basically discriminated against a highly qualified individual because he was a white man and i think

01:31:12.760 he actually had a degree in particle physics or something was applying you know well above the

01:31:17.560 average of the normal policeman and he was applying to join um but he was a white man and so he got

01:31:22.440 rejected and won a later tribunal case there were legion of examples that i could give here

01:31:28.680 um but you know we we don't have racial equality we just have basically what they call positive

01:31:34.200 action is acceptable in tiger breaker situations and funnily enough um the fact that you've applied

01:31:38.920 for a job means it qualifies for a tiebreaker so basically the white man can be rejected um i'll

01:31:44.680 now uh quickly cover off because we're a bit low on time now um the other passage which is very famous

01:31:49.320 and in this he's making a reference um to a virgil book about the fall of rome and about a vision that

01:31:56.920 they had there at the time um in that in that that you basically saw the the coming fall of rome

01:32:02.760 um and the passage that um uh powell says in his speeches as i look ahead i am filled with foreboding

01:32:08.440 like the roman i seem to see the river tiber flow uh foaming with much blood the tragedy an intractable

01:32:15.560 phenomenon with which we watch the horror on the other side of the atlantic but there is an

01:32:19.480 interwoven with a history and existence of united stealth you know united the states itself is coming

01:32:25.720 upon us here by own volition and our own neglect so he he's not actually directly saying that you

01:32:31.240 know rivers are going to fill up with blood um he's making a reference to a vision in a

01:32:35.720 um classical text about the fall of an empire a couple of lines from the end only resolute and

01:32:46.360 urgent action will avert it even now whether there will be the part whether um there will be the public

01:32:52.360 to will demand to obtain that action i do not know all i know is that i will see uh and not to speak

01:32:58.840 would be the great betrayal so there we go that's that's what he actually said um every prediction

01:33:05.560 he made was correct possibly apart from the bits about what the conservatives would do all of the

01:33:13.160 predictions sometimes on technical grounds i'll i'll give you that i can accept that right okay um

01:33:23.080 um the the the passages that often get people fired up um was a um a a classical reference of

01:33:31.800 cultural anchor effectively um to to a warning um but it's the end of an empire there's nothing about

01:33:39.160 people being burnt in blood in rivers and things like that although i do think that we will have

01:33:45.560 some more violence between groups as we're beginning to see whether it's in leicester uh between indians

01:33:52.200 and pakistan well sometimes they don't even they don't even need us you know the violence in

01:33:56.200 leicester for example was between the the hindus and the muslims nottingham between poles and romanians

01:34:01.160 against somalians it's it's going to continue in different ways in the same way that we've had it

01:34:07.480 you know there was the battles in the 1800s between the irish and the english so it will happen but in

01:34:13.800 in this occasion we've got far too many groups and far too much disparate uh disparate people

01:34:21.080 we've no link to this nation anymore they only see it as a place that they can make money and live

01:34:27.240 it's not a cultural tie yeah yeah so uh you know i certainly claim him as um you know one of our own

01:34:35.160 example of the best of us um and this speech which has been demonized used to demonize him for 50 years

01:34:40.920 he was he was bang on the money yeah this is true and he also had many of the qualities of these kind of

01:34:48.040 eccentric jonathan bowden type charismatic you know the fact the fact that he was he was extremely

01:34:52.520 intelligent which normally means you're bad at things that normal level intelligent people can't

01:34:56.040 do so for example he couldn't drive no uh that was beyond the farage story goes in that i was the

01:35:02.120 driver for enoch powell to this speech or one of his speeches and people that are very very highly

01:35:07.640 intelligent are often high in openness and experiment with things he went through a phase of being gay

01:35:12.520 and actually wrote to his parents say he was gay he was he was bad with girls he didn't

01:35:17.560 caught a girl until he was 37 he didn't lose his virginity until he's about 40.

01:35:22.440 uh i mean there's all kinds of you know an unusual lopsided guy

01:35:27.240 which often goes together with having extremely high intelligence

01:35:31.240 very interesting never knew that right okay uh there we go i think i think um i don't know if there's any

01:35:36.920 video comments but we we are a bit pushing time today so what was that we have run out of time

01:35:43.240 okay well we have to we have to leave it there um oh hang on we've got a couple of um um

01:35:49.480 uh sigil stone says import people ad infinitum but the gdp will never rise and the gdp of where

01:35:54.360 they come from goes down and scanline says uh this enoch fellow is a bit too left-wing for me no wonder

01:35:58.920 starmer imitates him we need some more proper right-wing politicians i would love to do some of the

01:36:03.400 the website comments i shall have to do an extra bit on those um tomorrow and um all right see you in

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 14, 2025

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