The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1166

00:00:00.360 Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters episode 1166. I'm your host Harry, joined today by Beau and returning guest Lewis Brackpall.

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00:00:24.800 Fantastic. And today we're going to be talking about while pop music sounds the same.

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00:01:18.280 All righty.

00:01:19.540 Okay.

00:01:20.140 So all pop music sounds the same for the most part.

00:01:24.920 It sounded pretty similar, pretty samey for decades.

00:01:28.180 But in recent years especially, all pop music has the same sound to it, the same production style, the same hooks on them,

00:01:36.400 to the point where you can find songs from 15 years ago that have the exact same hooks as songs that come out these days.

00:01:43.180 A very famous example, I think, is there was a Paramore song, Misery Business,

00:01:47.700 where the chorus hook is the exact same as some song that went viral on TikTok two years ago.

00:01:53.060 So I wanted to investigate why it is that music is all so samey these days and elaborate on the idea of the top-down nature of the music industry,

00:02:03.460 which is something that, appropriately, given that he was in and on the podcast yesterday,

00:02:08.280 AA has been posting a few videos about and elaborating on his own Twitter account recently.

00:02:13.180 And it's inspired me to kind of do a follow-up and talk about that as well,

00:02:16.960 because he's spoken about some aspects of it and I want to talk about the rest of the big picture,

00:02:21.600 given that I am a musician who has tried to make a career in music at one point,

00:02:26.180 but was ruthlessly gatekept from being able to achieve my true dreams of being a drug-addicted rock star.

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00:04:11.300 So, as I said, AA's been doing quite a lot of work on this recently.

00:04:14.480 He's released two videos that were quite in-depth on this subject.

00:04:18.160 The first one was How to Culture Hack the Secrets of Top-Down Dream Programming.

00:04:21.980 Now, this started when he was talking about how jazz supplanted in the early 20th century

00:04:27.680 the classical music that was very, very popular amongst the mass public in the venues.

00:04:34.960 And the way he described it as happening, some people like to think that tastes changed.

00:04:39.960 They just changed because overnight or over the course of a few months,

00:04:43.340 people decided all of a sudden that instead of tuneful, harmonious, and melodic classical music

00:04:49.940 that they wanted to get a completely different sound in jazz bands playing potentially free jazz,

00:04:57.800 atonal music that was actually very unpopular.

00:05:01.100 Whereas AA lays it out, and there are books talking about this as being a very good thing.

00:05:05.640 You can have whatever opinion you want on it.

00:05:07.580 That what actually happened was the people in charge of the record labels and the music distribution

00:05:14.080 decided that they wanted to begin promoting and pushing this music,

00:05:18.860 and they ended up pushing out the music that was formerly popular

00:05:22.380 by essentially cartel tactics, mob tactics,

00:05:26.800 by intimidating or outright buying out a lot of the venues that were putting these acts on

00:05:31.800 and replacing the acts that would have been going on with their own guys.

00:05:37.580 It's a tried and tested formula within the entirety of the entertainment industry.

00:05:43.160 But some people, because of the way that entertainment and music in particular markets itself,

00:05:49.220 seem to have this idea of music being less top-down controlled

00:05:54.000 than the other parts of the entertainment industry.

00:05:56.240 It's very easy to look at Hollywood and say,

00:05:59.140 well, obviously the big studios control everything,

00:06:02.680 and they just get in independent filmmakers from the indie scene.

00:06:07.760 They force them to make some cape slop for them for Marvel.

00:06:11.960 They ruin that person's career, and they move on to the next person,

00:06:15.440 and there is a cabal of big directors and big writers and producers

00:06:21.200 that mainly control everything and let the money flow.

00:06:24.400 I haven't seen this video by AA,

00:06:26.520 but he's saying that the top-down stuff was going on as far back as the 20s, 1920s.

00:06:32.220 Wow.

00:06:32.440 Yes.

00:06:32.760 There is writing from a particular car manufacturer,

00:06:36.380 who I will not name on this,

00:06:38.520 talking about how this happened at the time and who was doing it,

00:06:42.680 but that information is not stuff that YouTube would be particularly pleased with me discussing right now.

00:06:48.640 Okay.

00:06:49.160 A very influential car manufacturer.

00:06:51.260 But this has been going on for a very, very long time.

00:06:54.560 Music is just as top-down controlled.

00:06:56.620 But again, the rest of the entertainment industry is just as...

00:06:59.120 And interestingly, there are parts of film that have tried to highlight this as well.

00:07:03.840 And I'm going to promote my own little video here from a few years ago

00:07:07.180 when I talked about David Lynch's Mulholland Drive.

00:07:10.120 One of the two main plots of that film is about a Hollywood director

00:07:15.140 trying to exert creative control over his own film.

00:07:18.460 And in Mulholland Drive, he's shown going to an executive producer meeting

00:07:24.200 where the executive producers are portrayed explicitly as mobsters.

00:07:28.420 They are Italian mobsters who come in.

00:07:30.580 And he's trying to cast the main female role in his film.

00:07:33.420 They just put down a picture of a woman who he's never seen or heard of before

00:07:37.680 and say, this is the girl.

00:07:40.260 And he says, never heard of her.

00:07:42.300 Don't like the look of her.

00:07:43.560 Not going to hire her as my lead actress.

00:07:45.260 And in return for that, in return for trying to exert some creative control,

00:07:50.160 they destroy his career.

00:07:51.760 They destroy his life.

00:07:53.280 They destroy his marriage.

00:07:54.780 And only when he decides to say, okay, this is the girl,

00:07:58.720 suddenly he attains fame, success.

00:08:00.660 There's a lot more to it than that.

00:08:02.200 But it is interesting that what AA is describing in his video

00:08:05.540 is explicitly what is shown with the same mob tactics in this film.

00:08:10.260 And I think it's interesting that this was the last mainstream Hollywood production

00:08:14.220 that Lynch ever put out.

00:08:16.040 It's interesting.

00:08:16.920 I've always heard that it's operated as a kind of like a cartel.

00:08:21.260 You mentioned it's quite like that.

00:08:22.580 I've always thought that it seems that way.

00:08:25.340 I mean, we've watched a lot of films that, you know, that suggest it.

00:08:29.720 You mentioned this.

00:08:30.420 I haven't actually seen it.

00:08:31.100 Interestingly enough, Scream 3 also kind of has a similar thing,

00:08:35.680 particularly with how the women in Hollywood are used and abused

00:08:39.200 and chewed up by the producers so that they can, yeah,

00:08:41.860 you want to be a star, right?

00:08:43.100 Yeah.

00:08:43.320 Casting couch culture.

00:08:45.380 Yeah.

00:08:45.860 And I think there's a lot of people that get too close to the bone

00:08:48.880 when it comes to talking about stuff like that.

00:08:50.720 For example, I think the film that flashes to my,

00:08:53.660 is it Eyes Wide Shut?

00:08:55.180 Have you seen that?

00:08:56.300 Yeah, I've seen that.

00:08:57.340 Did a Stanley Kubrick director's series on the website

00:09:00.180 that you should also watch if you're a premium subscriber.

00:09:02.520 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:09:03.400 I watched that for the first time not too long ago, actually.

00:09:05.680 I don't know, it just reminded me of that for some reason.

00:09:07.660 Yeah, but AA followed up his initial video with this one as well

00:09:10.720 because I think the most visible example of how music and culture

00:09:15.880 in particular is being controlled is the way that from the early 90s to now,

00:09:21.920 how hip-hop slowly overtook rock music as being the mainstream cultural music.

00:09:29.180 And you can even go back 10, 15 years, watch adverts,

00:09:32.940 watch what advertisers are putting on as music to advertise their projects.

00:09:38.640 Even 10 years ago, they were still using rock tracks from bands like Tame Impala.

00:09:43.820 Nowadays, if I'm watching television, very rare that I do so,

00:09:48.440 or an advert pops up on YouTube,

00:09:50.600 is it more likely that the music that they're going to put to the advert

00:09:53.900 is going to be rock and roll?

00:09:55.820 Or is it going to be some awful trap beat hip-hop trash?

00:10:00.740 Which is it more likely to be?

00:10:03.480 And this has not been an organic process.

00:10:07.320 And AA lays it out quite nicely here.

00:10:09.180 And he also points out that the people controlling this process,

00:10:13.220 who are the people right at the top of the industry,

00:10:15.700 so there are different record labels at different levels of different tiers of this,

00:10:20.860 where you get the independent record labels,

00:10:23.680 who are often subsidiaries of slightly bigger record labels,

00:10:27.780 who are themselves subsidiaries of the big record labels.

00:10:31.560 And the big record labels are the ones that control everything,

00:10:34.200 so no matter who you're buying from,

00:10:36.740 they're getting their cut of it all, right?

00:10:38.760 And he points out that it didn't matter in the 90s,

00:10:41.100 or even up to today,

00:10:43.160 which of these rap acts that you were listening to,

00:10:46.100 this guy in particular,

00:10:48.460 was at the top of it,

00:10:49.760 getting all of the money.

00:10:51.180 Right.

00:10:51.620 Right?

00:10:52.040 Who is that guy?

00:10:53.100 I do not remember his name,

00:10:54.720 so you should watch the video to find out.

00:10:56.880 I'm promoting this video,

00:10:58.220 because I do think these two are very worth watching.

00:11:01.320 And there is a question of,

00:11:03.120 why is it that music industry professionals

00:11:07.040 would want there to be

00:11:08.540 a change of culture from a predominantly

00:11:11.740 musical, tuneful,

00:11:15.320 white, frankly, style of music,

00:11:18.600 to one that pushes a much more ghetto,

00:11:22.320 black style of culture, right?

00:11:24.380 So there are questions there,

00:11:25.660 and why they would want to just switch from

00:11:27.660 rock artists to rap stars.

00:11:30.100 Personally, for me,

00:11:31.120 it comes across just like,

00:11:32.320 well, rock artists tend to be actually musically talented,

00:11:36.180 unlike the rappers,

00:11:37.640 because most of the music that's produced by the rappers

00:11:39.960 is done by the producers,

00:11:42.760 and not the rappers themselves.

00:11:44.140 They get given bars,

00:11:45.780 they get given beats to rap over,

00:11:48.280 makes them more interchangeable.

00:11:50.100 Dealing with one artist rather than multiple

00:11:52.200 means that you've got less demands.

00:11:54.840 The rockers tend to have

00:11:56.440 a greater level of independence,

00:11:59.260 they want more musical freedom.

00:12:00.920 You're more likely to have trouble with them,

00:12:02.620 basically.

00:12:02.980 So it's a lot harder to control a full band

00:12:05.900 who might break up,

00:12:07.300 they might make more demands,

00:12:08.680 they might want more creative freedom,

00:12:10.360 than a rapper who's going to be happy

00:12:12.580 as long as he's getting his drugs and bitches.

00:12:15.760 Frankly, that's one of the main reasons for me,

00:12:18.760 but I also wanted to look at it from the,

00:12:20.540 there's the top-down perspective,

00:12:22.420 which is outlined here.

00:12:23.640 There's also the bottom-up perspective,

00:12:26.000 which I can give some insight into

00:12:27.700 as a musician myself,

00:12:29.340 given that I've been through all this

00:12:31.440 and, as mentioned,

00:12:32.240 got gatekept out of this.

00:12:33.960 So if you are a musician,

00:12:36.260 and this is in the UK

00:12:37.500 that I can give my examples for,

00:12:40.280 but I'd imagine that musicians elsewhere

00:12:42.400 in the US would be able to

00:12:44.260 recognize this as well,

00:12:45.760 there are these different layers

00:12:47.740 of gatekeeping that you have to get through

00:12:49.700 before you're even going to be

00:12:50.920 anywhere near a major record label, right?

00:12:54.520 Which is, first of all,

00:12:55.660 you've got to go through the venues.

00:12:57.760 Are they going to put you on?

00:12:59.180 Are they happy to put you on?

00:13:01.000 Then you've got to go through

00:13:01.960 the management companies.

00:13:03.040 If you want to start getting good gigs

00:13:04.960 and get connections for people

00:13:06.560 who are going to get you

00:13:07.300 in front of bigger crowds,

00:13:08.620 you are probably going to have to go

00:13:10.200 through the management companies as well.

00:13:12.140 The management companies

00:13:13.120 will also be able to get you in touch

00:13:14.800 with minor or independent record labels.

00:13:18.400 And then you've got the broader media,

00:13:20.420 like radio stations and magazines as well.

00:13:22.680 Each one of these acts as its own

00:13:25.240 small gatekeeper for people who are based

00:13:28.800 to get into the music industry.

00:13:30.660 Because this is how I was gatekept out of it.

00:13:32.820 The management company,

00:13:34.620 after we had attained a certain amount of success

00:13:37.640 in the band that I was in,

00:13:39.540 saw what I was doing with Lotus Eaters

00:13:41.540 and said,

00:13:42.720 we can't have him doing that.

00:13:43.980 And this formed a gigantic network

00:13:46.800 with the management company,

00:13:48.200 with the venues and with the festivals.

00:13:50.860 And they said,

00:13:51.640 if he doesn't leave the band

00:13:53.260 or if he doesn't quit his job

00:13:56.760 and publicly apologize

00:13:58.120 for what he's doing on Lotus Eaters,

00:14:00.040 we are going to get you blacklisted

00:14:01.860 from the British music scene.

00:14:03.860 Now there could be loopholes around that

00:14:06.060 where certain venues would be happy

00:14:07.620 to put us on anyway

00:14:08.540 because they're staffed or managed by good people.

00:14:11.580 But for the most part,

00:14:13.460 this is a major threat for anybody, right?

00:14:15.760 So me, somebody who was trying to make

00:14:17.500 apolitical music separate from my career,

00:14:21.020 even despite that,

00:14:22.380 was gatekept out by that.

00:14:24.060 So I ended up having to leave

00:14:25.300 and even after I left,

00:14:26.720 through sheer association with me,

00:14:29.140 the bands still found out

00:14:30.480 that certain record,

00:14:32.340 well, that certain music festivals

00:14:34.560 had decided to blacklist them

00:14:36.480 and it took them a lot of effort

00:14:37.620 to get off that blacklist.

00:14:39.300 So there are all of these gatekeeping mechanisms

00:14:41.980 to make sure that people

00:14:43.240 with only the right opinions

00:14:44.880 even get a sniff of success

00:14:47.420 before you're even making any money.

00:14:49.340 Because it's difficult enough

00:14:50.440 to make money in this business as it is.

00:14:52.460 If you're anything like this,

00:14:54.000 if you're not already

00:14:54.900 a multi-million dollar selling recording artist,

00:14:59.820 none getting through any of these,

00:15:01.780 you will still most likely be losing money

00:15:04.080 on an investment

00:15:05.160 that you put into a musical project.

00:15:06.640 I was going to say,

00:15:07.500 it makes you reassess,

00:15:09.200 you know,

00:15:09.380 you look at all these bands,

00:15:10.400 especially modern bands,

00:15:11.700 who LARP as like anti-establishment

00:15:15.040 and things like that

00:15:16.320 when really it's almost like

00:15:19.600 it's specific,

00:15:21.340 it's the current thing,

00:15:22.520 it's specific narratives

00:15:23.760 that they can sort of say.

00:15:25.920 The band that pops into my mind

00:15:27.320 is that kneecap,

00:15:28.980 for example,

00:15:29.740 that's been in the news very recently.

00:15:32.180 It's kind of certain...

00:15:34.320 Are they the Irish band?

00:15:35.640 Yes, I thought I'd heard them.

00:15:37.500 The one that said,

00:15:38.220 you know,

00:15:39.420 about offing your local MP or whatever.

00:15:42.480 Yeah.

00:15:42.940 Pro-Palestinian or something.

00:15:44.660 Something like that.

00:15:45.120 I didn't pay any attention,

00:15:46.260 but yeah,

00:15:46.920 obviously children LARPing.

00:15:51.080 I doubt they're steeped in history

00:15:53.540 and philosophy.

00:15:55.600 Political philosophy and stuff.

00:15:57.200 But you'll notice

00:15:57.940 through all of this process

00:15:59.300 that I've just laid out there,

00:16:00.540 your actual popularity with crowds

00:16:03.840 doesn't play that much into it.

00:16:06.120 Obviously,

00:16:06.600 when you're just at the venue level,

00:16:08.640 being popular with crowds

00:16:09.780 can land you more gigs.

00:16:11.540 But as laid out

00:16:13.080 by the mob and cartel tactics,

00:16:15.320 if a particular scene

00:16:17.100 is very closed off

00:16:18.440 to a particular style of music

00:16:19.860 or a particular kind of person,

00:16:21.640 they will just throw the same act out

00:16:24.940 again and again and again and again.

00:16:27.280 And if you've got a big enough audience

00:16:29.500 that will consistently come

00:16:30.600 to a venue anyway,

00:16:31.420 eventually they'll just shrug their shoulders

00:16:32.880 and get on with it.

00:16:34.160 You can kind of condition people

00:16:36.620 to like music in that way.

00:16:38.820 Obviously,

00:16:39.500 we are talking about

00:16:40.360 people's personal tastes,

00:16:41.840 so there will still be

00:16:43.740 somewhat of a bottom-up aspect to this.

00:16:47.100 Like if you talk about

00:16:48.580 the difference between

00:16:49.620 rock music that was being made

00:16:51.100 in the 80s

00:16:51.880 or the early 90s

00:16:53.040 where it was bands like Metallica,

00:16:54.900 Guns N' Roses, Nirvana,

00:16:56.540 versus the kind of rock

00:16:58.500 that was coming out

00:16:59.320 by the mid-2000s,

00:17:01.540 say a lot of the copycat

00:17:04.080 new metal bands and such,

00:17:05.360 clearly there's a difference

00:17:06.360 in quality there,

00:17:07.340 which will affect things,

00:17:09.520 but not as much

00:17:11.280 as most people would like to think.

00:17:13.180 There was another aspect

00:17:14.060 to this as well,

00:17:14.940 which is part of the cultural side

00:17:17.100 of this,

00:17:17.940 which is the

00:17:18.700 Back to Africa theory of music,

00:17:21.340 which is that all music

00:17:23.040 derives somewhere

00:17:24.500 from black music genres.

00:17:27.100 Blues is the root

00:17:28.380 of rock and roll,

00:17:29.940 therefore all rock and metal

00:17:31.740 and all sorts of stuff

00:17:32.840 that came from it

00:17:33.600 is black eventually,

00:17:35.780 which is just ridiculous

00:17:37.180 because blues itself

00:17:38.380 is mainly

00:17:39.200 what I would describe

00:17:41.300 as a simplified form

00:17:42.540 of folk music,

00:17:44.300 where it's being played

00:17:45.680 by different populations

00:17:47.060 than European folk music,

00:17:48.640 but rock itself

00:17:49.900 and other European genres

00:17:51.640 is mainly informed by folk,

00:17:54.220 yes, a bit of blues,

00:17:55.660 but also even gospel music

00:17:57.300 going back to the way

00:17:58.480 that they would incorporate

00:17:59.380 choruses into their music.

00:18:01.240 The song structure,

00:18:02.460 the diatonic scales

00:18:03.600 all come from European

00:18:05.400 or Oriental origins,

00:18:07.260 so I dislike that idea,

00:18:09.380 but that was just

00:18:09.940 a bit of a sidetrack.

00:18:10.800 So going on to it,

00:18:12.200 one of the...

00:18:12.520 You would argue that

00:18:13.120 it began in Africa,

00:18:14.260 all peoples came out of Africa,

00:18:15.700 therefore all music,

00:18:16.900 go forward.

00:18:17.260 Yodeling is essentially black.

00:18:19.760 It's just another

00:18:20.660 annoying thing

00:18:21.580 that I see from people

00:18:22.620 trying to separate us

00:18:24.020 from our culture.

00:18:25.080 Mongolian throat singing,

00:18:26.340 black.

00:18:27.000 Clearly.

00:18:28.340 Obviously.

00:18:28.940 It's just rap, bro.

00:18:29.660 Ancient Athenian lyre playing,

00:18:31.980 black.

00:18:32.560 I just think of that

00:18:33.320 Louis Theroux thing

00:18:34.320 with the black Israelites.

00:18:35.800 Yeah.

00:18:36.280 It's going through Shakespeare.

00:18:38.200 It's maybe.

00:18:39.500 It's that kind of attitude

00:18:41.380 because it's trying

00:18:42.300 to separate you

00:18:43.360 from your own culture

00:18:44.600 is the same sort of thing

00:18:45.620 that goes along

00:18:46.200 hand in hand

00:18:46.760 with people telling you

00:18:47.660 that white people

00:18:48.380 have no culture.

00:18:49.700 Where I can listen

00:18:50.800 to folk-influenced music

00:18:54.380 that comes out today

00:18:55.460 in Europe

00:18:56.000 and say,

00:18:56.720 what connection

00:18:57.700 does this have

00:18:58.380 to Muddy Waters?

00:19:00.300 Where does the influence

00:19:02.320 of B.B. King

00:19:03.500 go into

00:19:04.740 Master of Puppets

00:19:06.360 by Metallica?

00:19:07.400 Right.

00:19:07.600 Like, really?

00:19:09.440 Are you going

00:19:09.920 to make that argument

00:19:11.480 that Painkiller

00:19:12.760 by Judas Priest,

00:19:14.060 well, really,

00:19:16.100 really,

00:19:16.720 it just goes

00:19:17.500 all the way back

00:19:18.320 to Little Richard,

00:19:19.140 doesn't it?

00:19:20.180 Are we making

00:19:20.820 that argument?

00:19:21.660 Because I really

00:19:22.260 don't think

00:19:22.780 that that stands up

00:19:23.720 to logic.

00:19:24.300 Love all of them

00:19:25.080 as well.

00:19:25.900 I mean, yeah,

00:19:26.540 you can like

00:19:27.140 all of this music,

00:19:28.220 but you can appreciate

00:19:29.220 the differences

00:19:30.260 between them

00:19:30.900 and the separation

00:19:31.720 of them

00:19:32.180 and acknowledge

00:19:32.720 that there are

00:19:33.580 differences to them.

00:19:35.600 It's certainly

00:19:36.160 a cabal,

00:19:38.260 you said cartel,

00:19:39.320 I mean,

00:19:39.720 I think undeniably,

00:19:41.180 same with movies,

00:19:42.400 right?

00:19:42.980 It's the same

00:19:43.280 with publishing as well,

00:19:44.200 it's the same

00:19:44.440 with a lot of things.

00:19:46.760 You know,

00:19:46.960 if you try,

00:19:47.540 as a white boy,

00:19:48.760 try and write a novel

00:19:49.640 about the British Empire

00:19:51.420 or something,

00:19:51.880 alternative history

00:19:52.620 or something like that,

00:19:53.500 they're not interested

00:19:55.280 in it at all.

00:19:57.240 Yeah.

00:19:58.460 Example,

00:19:59.220 one example.

00:19:59.840 Let's look at

00:20:00.480 some of the examples

00:20:01.200 of the tastemakers

00:20:02.400 because one of the things

00:20:03.480 that people don't take

00:20:04.400 into account

00:20:04.980 with pop music

00:20:06.020 and even rock

00:20:08.160 and hip-hop

00:20:08.700 is just how influential

00:20:10.360 the producers are

00:20:12.500 to the sound

00:20:13.220 of the music.

00:20:13.680 When I was younger

00:20:14.380 and heard about

00:20:15.240 the role of producer,

00:20:17.300 I often got really,

00:20:18.440 really confused about it.

00:20:20.040 I was like,

00:20:20.440 what does this guy do?

00:20:21.680 He just comes in

00:20:22.420 and he hits the record button.

00:20:24.160 Where does,

00:20:24.640 like,

00:20:25.240 where does he get off

00:20:26.680 getting all of this credit

00:20:27.860 for producing the music

00:20:29.120 when he's just going in,

00:20:30.340 hitting the record

00:20:31.000 button?

00:20:31.540 That was when I was

00:20:32.180 a teenager,

00:20:32.820 but now since learning

00:20:34.100 a lot more about it,

00:20:35.720 I take it more as,

00:20:37.200 to analogize it,

00:20:38.560 the songs are the script,

00:20:40.860 the musicians are the actors,

00:20:43.400 the producer is the director

00:20:44.880 of the whole thing.

00:20:46.120 He can switch things around,

00:20:47.460 get you to perform it

00:20:48.400 in a different way,

00:20:49.560 switch the arrangements

00:20:50.500 and edit the whole thing

00:20:51.740 as you go

00:20:52.540 to create something

00:20:53.660 that's completely different

00:20:54.740 from the songs

00:20:55.380 that you may have gone

00:20:56.140 into the studio with

00:20:57.240 originally.

00:20:58.000 So the producers

00:20:58.880 are hugely important,

00:21:00.680 particularly with pop music

00:21:02.420 when they're often

00:21:03.240 co-songwriters as well.

00:21:05.140 Probably the most famous

00:21:06.380 producer in the world

00:21:08.140 and certainly one of the

00:21:09.120 most influential

00:21:09.920 is Rick Rubin,

00:21:12.160 who was huge,

00:21:13.920 still is huge,

00:21:15.480 literally and metaphorically.

00:21:17.100 He has been a big producer

00:21:19.420 behind, you know,

00:21:20.340 bands like

00:21:20.960 Red Hot Chili Peppers,

00:21:22.440 Rage Against the Machine,

00:21:23.480 Slayer, Metallica,

00:21:26.480 Slipknot,

00:21:27.000 System of a Down.

00:21:28.160 He produced a Slipknot album,

00:21:29.680 Corey Taylor was not

00:21:30.560 particularly happy

00:21:31.400 with how he produced it

00:21:32.500 and he was huge

00:21:33.940 in promoting hip-hop

00:21:35.980 in the first place

00:21:36.640 in the 80s

00:21:37.360 because he started

00:21:38.200 a record label

00:21:39.060 called Def Jam Records

00:21:41.100 alongside this man,

00:21:44.600 Russell Simmons,

00:21:45.420 who is also one

00:21:46.240 of the other people

00:21:47.140 who is massively credited

00:21:49.020 with having promoted

00:21:50.840 and pushed hip-hop

00:21:52.140 to becoming a mainstream

00:21:53.440 music genre.

00:21:55.920 I've heard lots of artists

00:21:57.520 say once they get

00:21:59.240 discovered and signed

00:22:00.720 to a big label,

00:22:01.500 they come into the

00:22:02.100 record studio,

00:22:02.720 do their stuff

00:22:03.380 and then once the

00:22:04.860 producer's finished with it,

00:22:05.880 it's like,

00:22:06.500 this is not us,

00:22:07.720 this is not what we

00:22:08.460 sound like at all.

00:22:10.000 It's radio friendly,

00:22:11.260 sure,

00:22:11.520 but this is not what we,

00:22:12.920 this doesn't sound like us.

00:22:14.200 That's one of the reasons

00:22:15.500 that people get worried

00:22:16.440 about selling out

00:22:17.620 when their favourite artist

00:22:18.720 gets signed to a major label.

00:22:20.540 It's because you know

00:22:21.120 on a certain level

00:22:21.900 the major label,

00:22:23.020 they're going to put

00:22:23.500 loads of money into you,

00:22:25.060 they're going to want

00:22:25.780 a return on investment

00:22:26.780 so oftentimes you'll end up

00:22:28.680 where they'll get

00:22:29.300 outside songwriters in,

00:22:30.900 they'll get a big

00:22:31.540 slick producer in

00:22:32.840 to change your sound

00:22:34.120 and make it more palatable

00:22:35.380 to a modern

00:22:36.720 mainstream audience

00:22:37.900 which will dilute

00:22:39.160 the original sound

00:22:40.000 that made them popular

00:22:40.820 with their initial fans.

00:22:43.140 It's like in

00:22:43.760 Bohemian Rhapsody

00:22:44.880 film,

00:22:45.760 I don't know if you guys

00:22:46.300 see that,

00:22:46.800 but they go in,

00:22:48.240 they're trying to make

00:22:49.040 like their second album

00:22:50.240 or something

00:22:50.740 but the producers

00:22:51.920 want it in one way

00:22:53.100 but obviously Queen

00:22:54.860 want it another way

00:22:56.400 and there's like that

00:22:57.540 big sort of altercation

00:22:59.360 between the producer

00:23:00.400 and of course the band

00:23:02.040 and it's kind of like

00:23:03.420 a bit of an eye-opener

00:23:04.300 to how,

00:23:04.920 I think Oasis also

00:23:06.720 with their documentary

00:23:07.900 Supersonic

00:23:08.840 explained that

00:23:10.300 when they got massive

00:23:12.160 like sensationally big,

00:23:14.920 one of the biggest,

00:23:16.540 it then became a brand

00:23:17.940 as opposed to

00:23:19.380 what they were writing

00:23:20.600 and what they were

00:23:21.280 singing about

00:23:22.400 and that's interesting

00:23:23.860 how it can just flip

00:23:25.560 into more of a commodity

00:23:27.820 that you can sell

00:23:29.260 to the public

00:23:29.920 as opposed to

00:23:30.920 you know,

00:23:31.660 what it is you're trying

00:23:32.560 to get out.

00:23:33.380 Even at these lower levels,

00:23:35.340 like look at Def Jam

00:23:36.180 for instance,

00:23:36.840 they were advertised

00:23:38.120 as being this

00:23:39.240 really independent,

00:23:41.900 edgy,

00:23:42.760 risky record label

00:23:44.180 that's promoting

00:23:44.820 this new style of music

00:23:46.340 that's coming from

00:23:47.000 the ghettos,

00:23:48.040 that's coming from

00:23:48.800 parts of the culture

00:23:49.920 that you don't get to hear.

00:23:51.360 Also they were

00:23:52.320 the record label

00:23:53.700 of Slayer

00:23:54.240 and some of the more

00:23:55.040 extreme types of metal

00:23:56.160 that were around in the 80s.

00:23:57.300 Def Jam did Slayer,

00:23:58.040 really?

00:23:58.320 Yeah,

00:23:58.700 yeah,

00:23:58.920 they were originally signed,

00:23:59.980 they had the Beastie Boys

00:24:00.960 as well,

00:24:01.640 so Rick Rubin

00:24:02.300 was involved

00:24:02.740 in all of this

00:24:03.640 and they're just

00:24:04.420 a really little

00:24:05.440 independent music

00:24:06.680 record label

00:24:07.740 but actually,

00:24:09.600 actually,

00:24:10.400 the whole time

00:24:11.080 they were owned

00:24:11.760 by Universal Music Groups

00:24:13.800 so they're actually

00:24:14.360 a subsidiary

00:24:15.180 of one of the biggest

00:24:17.380 music record labels

00:24:19.880 and music groups

00:24:21.000 in the entire world

00:24:22.820 which makes me question

00:24:24.560 how independent

00:24:26.160 they are.

00:24:26.900 On the subject

00:24:27.600 of selling out

00:24:28.440 to say again

00:24:29.540 how important

00:24:31.140 a producer is,

00:24:32.660 there's this guy,

00:24:33.620 very notorious

00:24:34.320 among the Metallica fans

00:24:35.820 called Bob Rock

00:24:37.640 who they brought in

00:24:39.080 in 1990

00:24:39.940 to produce their album.

00:24:41.860 They did it

00:24:42.360 by choice.

00:24:43.900 Oftentimes

00:24:44.260 when you get

00:24:45.400 a major label deal

00:24:46.540 they will set you

00:24:48.180 with a producer

00:24:49.000 who will clean up

00:24:49.920 your sounds.

00:24:50.600 They did it by choice

00:24:51.560 so it's not always

00:24:52.620 the case where

00:24:53.380 they get set with this

00:24:55.320 but Bob Rock

00:24:56.340 came in with them

00:24:57.300 to clean up their sound

00:24:58.640 make them sound

00:24:59.480 way more professional

00:25:00.340 tidy up the songs

00:25:01.560 before this album

00:25:02.520 in 1991

00:25:03.360 the Black album

00:25:04.220 they were producing

00:25:04.880 8 minute long

00:25:06.240 complex epics

00:25:07.500 Bob Rock says

00:25:08.620 okay

00:25:09.100 gonna cut that down

00:25:11.060 a little bit

00:25:11.560 4 to 5 minutes

00:25:12.800 pop song structure

00:25:15.040 verse chorus

00:25:16.040 verse chorus

00:25:16.780 big hooks

00:25:17.960 and it made them millions

00:25:19.380 it became their

00:25:20.080 biggest selling album

00:25:20.960 one of the hugest

00:25:21.880 albums ever

00:25:22.480 and look at the sorts

00:25:23.620 of stuff that he has produced

00:25:24.540 because often times

00:25:25.200 you'll find that

00:25:25.640 these guys

00:25:26.240 these kinds of guys

00:25:27.280 end up producing

00:25:28.680 ridiculous amounts

00:25:31.060 of music

00:25:31.620 most of which

00:25:32.960 tends to be

00:25:34.280 huge hits as well

00:25:35.520 so you know

00:25:36.260 he's producing

00:25:36.900 The Cult

00:25:38.000 Motley Crue

00:25:39.280 David Lee Roth

00:25:40.360 Metallica

00:25:41.560 by the mid 2000s

00:25:43.420 he produces

00:25:44.000 Lost Prophet's

00:25:44.920 biggest album

00:25:45.560 don't know how proud

00:25:46.680 he'd be of that one

00:25:47.580 these days

00:25:48.120 Michael Bublé

00:25:48.780 as well

00:25:49.340 like huge

00:25:50.280 it's like

00:25:51.620 they've cracked

00:25:52.180 a code

00:25:52.880 and they're just

00:25:53.980 recycling it

00:25:54.960 and using it

00:25:55.720 over and over

00:25:56.540 one of the most

00:25:57.360 it's like the money

00:25:58.180 men at the very top

00:25:59.260 at EMI

00:25:59.720 Universal

00:26:00.200 whatever

00:26:00.560 he's my boy

00:26:02.160 he's trusted

00:26:03.280 he's on the inside

00:26:04.780 so we'll just

00:26:06.060 throw as much

00:26:06.740 work at him

00:26:07.560 as possible

00:26:08.020 because he will

00:26:09.240 tow the line

00:26:09.980 and he will give us

00:26:11.180 the sound that we want

00:26:12.100 that we want

00:26:12.520 on the radio stations

00:26:13.640 that we don't own

00:26:14.700 but that we have

00:26:15.920 nice little

00:26:16.380 clandestine agreements

00:26:17.440 with

00:26:17.900 that they'll put

00:26:18.400 on our music

00:26:19.020 and promote it

00:26:20.080 as much as possible

00:26:20.840 one of the most

00:26:21.560 interesting examples

00:26:22.600 is the producer

00:26:23.460 Butch Vig

00:26:24.440 who was the producer

00:26:25.980 behind Nevermind

00:26:27.120 Nirvana's big

00:26:28.540 breakthrough album

00:26:29.620 now he was part

00:26:31.800 of a band

00:26:32.360 called Garbage

00:26:34.800 he'd already produced

00:26:36.080 the Smashing Pumpkins

00:26:37.340 album

00:26:37.780 and he was kind of

00:26:39.120 part of this

00:26:39.700 indie music scene

00:26:40.840 but

00:26:41.780 there's this new sound

00:26:43.720 coming out in Seattle

00:26:44.780 in the late 80s

00:26:45.700 that ends up being

00:26:46.420 called Grunge

00:26:47.560 Butch Vig

00:26:48.480 and Nirvana

00:26:49.000 end up trying to

00:26:49.940 shop around

00:26:50.540 for a major label

00:26:51.660 when they're recording

00:26:52.420 the sessions

00:26:53.040 for what would end up

00:26:54.060 being the demos

00:26:54.700 for Nevermind

00:26:55.420 they get signed

00:26:56.940 through contacts

00:26:58.160 that they had

00:26:58.660 with Soundgarden

00:26:59.680 and other bands

00:27:00.980 they get signed

00:27:01.680 to DGC Records

00:27:03.640 who again

00:27:04.460 underneath

00:27:05.900 the parent group

00:27:07.240 of Universal Music Group

00:27:09.000 who also own Def Jam

00:27:10.340 then once the album

00:27:12.060 is done

00:27:12.540 Butch Vig

00:27:13.220 has a lot of stuff

00:27:14.200 to say in interviews

00:27:15.260 where he said about

00:27:15.900 how he cleaned up

00:27:16.560 some of their sound

00:27:17.320 made sure that

00:27:18.340 Kurt Cobain

00:27:18.800 was adding vocal harmonies

00:27:20.260 and stuff

00:27:20.560 to make the music

00:27:21.260 more appreciable

00:27:22.860 for a normal listener

00:27:23.820 on the radio

00:27:24.500 but to make sure

00:27:26.420 that it's as slick

00:27:27.780 as possible

00:27:28.520 as radio friendly

00:27:29.520 as possible

00:27:30.140 they send the album

00:27:31.820 to be mixed

00:27:32.700 and this is another thing

00:27:33.820 that's important

00:27:34.300 the actual mix of the album

00:27:35.380 by Andy Wallace

00:27:37.180 who started out

00:27:38.300 with Def Jam

00:27:39.360 mixing their albums

00:27:40.680 like Run DMC

00:27:42.160 and Slayer

00:27:43.280 for Rick Rubin

00:27:44.580 and then

00:27:45.520 you can see

00:27:46.240 his discography

00:27:47.120 as well

00:27:47.640 you get these

00:27:48.300 huge guys

00:27:49.820 who end up

00:27:50.700 producing

00:27:51.300 everything

00:27:52.840 for the record labels

00:27:54.280 you get the producers

00:27:55.080 who do everything

00:27:55.780 for the record labels

00:27:56.520 the mixing engineers

00:27:57.580 that do everything

00:27:58.240 for the record labels

00:27:59.660 and the funny thing

00:28:01.020 about Nirvana

00:28:01.640 was that Nevermind

00:28:02.960 did not sell well

00:28:03.920 at first

00:28:04.360 in its first week

00:28:05.260 it sold 6,000 copies

00:28:06.700 which is okay

00:28:08.140 but it's not

00:28:09.200 you know

00:28:09.420 like number one hit

00:28:11.100 and it actually took it

00:28:12.000 four months

00:28:13.140 to be able to hit

00:28:14.320 number one

00:28:14.960 and it was only

00:28:15.820 through MTV

00:28:17.120 who decide that

00:28:18.540 they want to market

00:28:19.380 to newer

00:28:20.560 younger

00:28:21.340 more cynical

00:28:22.220 teenagers

00:28:23.060 at the time

00:28:24.320 and they start

00:28:25.580 pushing that song

00:28:26.900 as much as possible

00:28:27.800 and then on the radio

00:28:28.560 as well

00:28:28.920 it's only at that point

00:28:30.420 that it starts to

00:28:31.120 pick up momentum

00:28:31.800 and four months later

00:28:33.200 it ends up at number one

00:28:34.300 on the charts

00:28:34.880 and then all of a sudden

00:28:36.200 the record labels

00:28:37.340 when they see that

00:28:38.100 there is a market for it

00:28:39.140 they don't want goofy

00:28:40.280 hair metal anymore

00:28:41.200 they want something

00:28:42.320 more real

00:28:43.260 so all of the bands

00:28:44.600 that they had

00:28:45.040 like Motley Crue

00:28:45.700 either have to change

00:28:46.560 their image and their sound

00:28:47.620 or they get dropped

00:28:49.020 it's a case of the music

00:28:50.800 changing

00:28:51.260 not because the bands

00:28:52.100 all decide that they

00:28:52.940 want different sound

00:28:54.080 and that they artistically

00:28:55.740 want to go in a different

00:28:56.580 direction

00:28:56.960 it's all being pushed

00:28:58.220 by the men at the top

00:28:59.760 I wonder if there's even

00:29:01.200 a question of sort of

00:29:02.220 monopoly laws

00:29:04.220 right

00:29:05.520 in other things

00:29:06.340 like when someone

00:29:07.240 J.D. Rockefeller

00:29:08.460 gets too much

00:29:09.260 monopoly on steel

00:29:10.700 or railroads

00:29:11.500 or something

00:29:11.880 the government

00:29:12.680 actually steps in

00:29:13.400 and says

00:29:13.560 actually you can't do that

00:29:14.240 you're too powerful

00:29:15.380 it's not okay

00:29:18.060 for you know

00:29:19.260 the very working

00:29:20.280 of

00:29:20.780 Warner Music Group

00:29:21.780 they seem to own

00:29:22.780 basically all of the

00:29:24.340 smaller labels

00:29:25.140 beneath them

00:29:26.220 and therefore

00:29:27.180 have a big say

00:29:28.600 in what those

00:29:29.540 smaller labels are doing

00:29:30.480 the kind of acts

00:29:31.180 that they pick up

00:29:31.820 and what they promote

00:29:32.560 so I think you could

00:29:33.700 make an argument

00:29:34.320 for it

00:29:34.940 but people don't

00:29:36.360 maybe it's the layers

00:29:37.280 of separation

00:29:38.120 maybe there's some

00:29:39.340 legalisms

00:29:41.260 that they can throw

00:29:41.980 out to say

00:29:42.300 see we're not

00:29:42.800 really a monopoly

00:29:44.100 because these groups

00:29:45.600 technically have

00:29:46.480 a certain level

00:29:47.020 of independence

00:29:47.680 well that's always

00:29:48.560 how moguls

00:29:49.440 get around

00:29:50.260 monopoly laws

00:29:51.540 is okay

00:29:52.020 we'll make a load

00:29:52.580 of smaller companies

00:29:53.420 and have them

00:29:54.740 just tacitly

00:29:55.760 de jure

00:29:57.320 under our control

00:29:58.360 instead of

00:29:59.140 literally all under

00:30:00.320 one person

00:30:00.940 exactly

00:30:01.340 and yeah

00:30:01.980 there's always

00:30:02.480 a battle

00:30:03.800 between

00:30:04.320 people that want

00:30:05.940 to create monopolies

00:30:06.800 and those trying

00:30:07.220 to stop them

00:30:07.800 yeah so

00:30:08.700 but at this point

00:30:10.140 you know

00:30:10.460 you get to the

00:30:11.080 mid 90s

00:30:11.820 this kind of music

00:30:12.520 is really popular

00:30:13.620 selling really well

00:30:14.840 so why move on

00:30:16.380 to the solo artists

00:30:17.480 and the rappers

00:30:18.080 why change the market

00:30:19.420 like that

00:30:19.980 well

00:30:20.280 I think you could

00:30:21.860 suggest a few things

00:30:22.780 which is

00:30:23.200 there were the big

00:30:24.000 four Seattle bands

00:30:25.400 Nirvana

00:30:25.860 Soundgarden

00:30:26.740 Alice in Chains

00:30:27.620 Pearl Jam

00:30:29.100 who all had big hits

00:30:30.080 back then

00:30:30.500 well

00:30:30.780 Kurt Cobain offs himself

00:30:32.640 Soundgarden

00:30:34.420 allegedly

00:30:34.740 Soundgarden breaks up

00:30:37.800 Alice in Chains

00:30:39.200 all become

00:30:40.000 major heroin addicts

00:30:41.860 and then

00:30:42.540 don't start making music

00:30:44.280 again until the late 2000s

00:30:45.920 and then Pearl Jam

00:30:47.020 turn out not to be

00:30:48.200 a hit maker

00:30:49.640 and they go on to

00:30:51.000 more niche styles

00:30:51.980 of music

00:30:52.460 as their career progresses

00:30:53.580 and they want more

00:30:54.520 creative freedom

00:30:55.240 and they get a bit

00:30:56.020 avant-garden

00:30:57.020 esoteric

00:30:58.280 at some point

00:30:58.820 so they

00:30:59.180 they probably put

00:31:00.040 their all heads

00:31:00.480 together

00:31:00.760 and they say

00:31:01.160 okay

00:31:01.440 what's easier

00:31:03.120 to produce

00:31:03.700 than this

00:31:04.280 well

00:31:04.780 ghetto gangbangers

00:31:07.160 they're interchangeable

00:31:08.920 they don't actually

00:31:10.420 write their own music

00:31:11.500 they steal samples

00:31:12.820 off of other people

00:31:13.840 or

00:31:15.060 license samples

00:31:16.960 off of other people

00:31:18.080 and we can just get

00:31:19.240 Rick Rubin

00:31:19.840 to come in

00:31:20.420 like they did

00:31:21.060 with Jay-Z

00:31:21.820 for 99 Problems

00:31:23.180 basically do

00:31:24.060 everything for him

00:31:24.920 including suggesting

00:31:26.120 the hooks

00:31:26.640 and some of the lyrics

00:31:27.580 and if they end up

00:31:29.320 getting shot

00:31:29.900 we can just

00:31:31.280 find another one

00:31:32.560 just like him

00:31:33.260 and it's similar

00:31:34.300 with solo artists

00:31:35.260 as well

00:31:35.700 like the

00:31:36.020 Taylor Swifts

00:31:37.240 and other types

00:31:38.020 like that

00:31:38.540 which is that

00:31:39.160 they don't write

00:31:39.680 their own songs

00:31:40.300 I mean Taylor Swift

00:31:40.940 says she writes

00:31:41.540 her own songs

00:31:42.020 but you know

00:31:42.620 I'll take a word

00:31:43.700 for that one

00:31:44.260 because you get

00:31:45.260 the big thing

00:31:46.080 with outside songwriters

00:31:47.540 which has been going

00:31:48.200 on for a long time

00:31:49.200 as well

00:31:49.620 I looked into

00:31:50.440 this guy today

00:31:51.340 Desmond Child

00:31:52.220 very famous

00:31:53.700 who I didn't realize

00:31:55.620 just what an influence

00:31:56.640 he had

00:31:57.260 if you look at

00:31:58.120 the sort of songs

00:31:58.740 he's co-written

00:31:59.360 and produced

00:31:59.940 throughout the years

00:32:00.740 all through the 80s

00:32:02.280 he wrote

00:32:02.740 I Was Made For Loving You

00:32:04.240 one of Kiss's biggest hits

00:32:06.020 a load of other

00:32:07.200 Kiss songs

00:32:08.580 he wrote

00:32:09.340 You Give Love A Bad Name

00:32:10.820 and Living On A Prayer

00:32:12.240 Dude Looks Like A Lady

00:32:13.800 he wrote the entirety

00:32:15.160 of Alice Cooper's

00:32:17.360 Trash album

00:32:18.760 which was his big comeback

00:32:20.140 in the late 80s

00:32:21.200 which had the hit single

00:32:22.140 poison on it

00:32:22.980 you can just get

00:32:24.180 these kinds of guys

00:32:25.240 who know how to write

00:32:26.340 a song that will sound

00:32:27.160 good on the radio

00:32:27.940 to do everything for you

00:32:29.880 especially when it was

00:32:30.700 a band like Aerosmith

00:32:31.760 who were kind of

00:32:32.520 washed up by the mid 80s

00:32:33.920 they need rejuvenation

00:32:35.680 in their career

00:32:36.400 they go

00:32:36.860 okay we'll get

00:32:38.040 an outside songwriter in

00:32:39.540 boom

00:32:40.360 Dude Looks Like A Lady

00:32:41.460 your biggest hit

00:32:42.340 in 10 years

00:32:43.020 15 years

00:32:44.280 I've never even heard

00:32:45.600 of this guy

00:32:46.160 yeah

00:32:46.940 I know right

00:32:47.960 but these are the kinds

00:32:49.020 of people

00:32:49.580 that the music industry

00:32:50.940 has

00:32:51.260 they have teams

00:32:52.120 of songwriters

00:32:52.960 who will write

00:32:54.480 all of your biggest songs

00:32:56.400 if you want

00:32:57.580 so basically

00:32:58.280 when it comes to a guy

00:32:59.080 like this

00:32:59.420 this guy is an industry

00:33:00.360 insider

00:33:00.880 you can see it as well

00:33:02.160 with Billie Eilish

00:33:03.860 her brother was already

00:33:04.880 established in the music industry

00:33:07.020 and co-writes

00:33:08.120 all of her songs

00:33:09.360 so she's an industry plant

00:33:10.840 basically

00:33:11.820 but you can

00:33:13.420 see all of these people

00:33:14.900 all of these names

00:33:15.960 and all of their hit singles

00:33:17.640 in these cases

00:33:19.200 as interchangeable faces

00:33:21.120 for a

00:33:22.100 for the same guy

00:33:23.440 for the same guy

00:33:24.780 what you're actually

00:33:25.380 listening to

00:33:26.100 is

00:33:27.380 this guy's music

00:33:29.040 played by

00:33:30.020 loads of different people

00:33:31.620 which seems to me

00:33:34.760 to suggest

00:33:35.440 another level

00:33:36.660 of top-down control

00:33:37.680 of

00:33:37.860 you're listening to

00:33:38.480 the same producers

00:33:39.300 producing all the same records

00:33:40.820 the record labels

00:33:41.860 make sure that they all

00:33:42.660 go to the same mixing engineers

00:33:44.140 so they all have a similar

00:33:45.100 slick sound to them

00:33:46.160 and oftentimes these songs

00:33:47.600 are all written by the same people

00:33:49.120 and it's just

00:33:50.780 all of the interchangeable faces

00:33:52.940 that convinces you

00:33:54.180 that oh there's

00:33:55.100 meritocracy

00:33:55.860 there's freedom to this

00:33:57.020 it's just the market

00:33:57.800 of free ideas

00:33:58.820 going out

00:33:59.360 people's tastes

00:34:00.220 being developed

00:34:01.500 organically

00:34:02.640 rather than

00:34:03.620 this guy

00:34:04.620 and all of the other

00:34:05.500 music industry insiders

00:34:06.800 writing everything

00:34:08.580 and then the radio stations

00:34:09.780 and MTV

00:34:10.360 push it down on you

00:34:11.560 this has changed

00:34:12.960 because the internet

00:34:14.160 has allowed

00:34:14.980 for a certain level

00:34:15.720 of democratization

00:34:16.740 it's easier

00:34:17.460 to get your music out

00:34:18.480 purely independently

00:34:19.840 but still

00:34:21.100 if you want to be playing

00:34:21.900 Wembley

00:34:22.500 if you want to be playing

00:34:23.260 these huge stadium gigs

00:34:24.520 if you want to be making

00:34:25.400 a living from it

00:34:26.280 you're going to need

00:34:27.380 support from these guys

00:34:28.540 so the actual

00:34:29.400 quote-unquote artist

00:34:30.340 is really just a spokesman

00:34:32.000 just an interchangeable

00:34:34.080 actor really

00:34:35.060 to a certain extent

00:34:36.100 just seems what they're

00:34:36.900 told to sing

00:34:37.540 isn't it

00:34:37.920 yeah

00:34:38.120 I mean

00:34:38.960 just look at this

00:34:40.540 for instance

00:34:40.940 right

00:34:41.240 okay so

00:34:41.780 WAP

00:34:42.280 oh yes

00:34:43.300 sorry to have to

00:34:44.100 remind everybody

00:34:44.780 of this

00:34:45.300 okay look

00:34:46.260 look at how many

00:34:47.460 people it took

00:34:48.140 to write this song

00:34:49.400 WAP

00:34:50.120 okay so

00:34:50.920 technically

00:34:51.980 you've got

00:34:53.360 the two artists

00:34:54.400 artists

00:34:55.600 who performed it

00:34:57.300 on there

00:34:57.780 but songwriting credits

00:34:59.160 get divvied out

00:35:00.120 in very confusing

00:35:01.320 ways

00:35:01.840 so they're performing

00:35:02.840 the song

00:35:03.380 they're technically

00:35:04.380 rapping or whatever

00:35:05.720 over it

00:35:06.220 so they can say

00:35:06.880 that they get

00:35:07.320 a songwriting credit

00:35:08.100 but other than that

00:35:08.940 it took one

00:35:09.660 two

00:35:10.600 three

00:35:11.580 four

00:35:12.440 probably more people

00:35:14.040 who weren't credited

00:35:15.020 to write

00:35:16.360 WAP

00:35:17.100 okay

00:35:18.620 written by committee

00:35:21.200 always the best way

00:35:22.320 to come up with art

00:35:23.280 and the most

00:35:23.940 probably the most

00:35:24.760 notorious example

00:35:25.780 of this

00:35:26.140 is this guy

00:35:26.840 Max Martin

00:35:27.760 Karl Martin Sandberg

00:35:29.300 a Swedish

00:35:30.060 record producer

00:35:31.280 and songwriter

00:35:32.240 right

00:35:32.880 so he is

00:35:34.180 the

00:35:35.060 most

00:35:35.980 notorious

00:35:36.820 of these

00:35:37.400 number one

00:35:37.960 hit single

00:35:38.620 producers

00:35:39.600 because if you

00:35:40.640 scroll down

00:35:41.300 look in the past

00:35:42.600 30 years

00:35:43.660 how many

00:35:44.540 number one

00:35:45.060 hit singles

00:35:45.700 under different

00:35:46.500 artists he has

00:35:47.440 written

00:35:47.720 he wrote

00:35:48.660 Baby One More Time

00:35:49.840 by Britney Spears

00:35:50.620 It's Gonna Be Me

00:35:51.300 by NSYNC

00:35:52.060 I Kissed a Girl

00:35:52.800 Katy Perry

00:35:53.360 So What

00:35:53.820 by Pink

00:35:54.380 California Girls

00:35:55.720 Teenage Dream

00:35:56.380 Raise Your Glass

00:35:57.060 Hold It Against Me

00:35:58.080 loads of

00:35:59.580 number one

00:36:00.300 hit singles

00:36:00.960 he wrote songs

00:36:01.600 for Justin Timberlake

00:36:03.140 The Weeknd

00:36:04.060 Ariana Grande

00:36:05.360 most recently

00:36:06.360 last year

00:36:07.000 two hit singles

00:36:07.820 I think these

00:36:08.440 are all

00:36:08.840 billboard

00:36:10.220 number one

00:36:11.280 singles

00:36:11.840 so

00:36:12.560 doesn't matter

00:36:13.420 with these songs

00:36:14.220 if you're listening

00:36:14.720 to Britney Spears

00:36:15.620 Katy Perry

00:36:16.480 Taylor Swift

00:36:17.960 What A Shock

00:36:18.760 Ariana Grande

00:36:20.220 or Coldplay

00:36:21.240 you are not actually

00:36:22.100 listening to those

00:36:23.000 artists

00:36:23.560 you are listening

00:36:24.760 to them play

00:36:25.500 the songs

00:36:26.240 of

00:36:28.440 this man

00:36:29.460 interesting isn't it

00:36:33.160 it is interesting

00:36:34.240 so if you ever

00:36:34.940 hear all of these

00:36:35.600 songs

00:36:35.980 and wonder

00:36:36.540 why it is

00:36:37.560 that they all

00:36:38.000 sound the same

00:36:38.780 it's because

00:36:39.940 the music industry

00:36:40.760 is a cartel

00:36:41.620 and it's guys

00:36:42.600 like this

00:36:43.280 writing everything

00:36:44.480 and they just

00:36:45.040 put a friendly

00:36:45.820 marketable face

00:36:47.160 on the front of it

00:36:48.020 to give you

00:36:48.820 an illusion of

00:36:49.480 variety

00:36:50.000 there was more

00:36:50.920 to this

00:36:51.220 but I think

00:36:52.040 I think I've

00:36:53.200 hammered my point

00:36:54.060 home enough here

00:36:54.900 so there's a nice

00:36:56.400 one for you

00:36:56.840 I know it might

00:36:57.340 not be the most

00:36:58.400 political topic

00:37:00.000 to talk about

00:37:00.780 but culture

00:37:01.440 is just as

00:37:02.700 if not more

00:37:03.220 important than

00:37:03.800 politics

00:37:04.280 and it forms

00:37:05.040 a part of

00:37:05.420 our everyday

00:37:05.840 lives

00:37:06.200 and it's

00:37:06.480 important to

00:37:07.140 know

00:37:07.420 what culture

00:37:08.380 is being

00:37:08.860 pushed on

00:37:09.520 to us

00:37:09.900 and why

00:37:10.960 and by

00:37:11.540 whom

00:37:11.880 there you go

00:37:13.980 so let's go

00:37:14.380 through some

00:37:14.700 now the segment's

00:37:15.320 over

00:37:15.460 can I just say

00:37:15.900 one through

00:37:16.180 the plaster on your

00:37:17.120 forehead is coming

00:37:17.720 away

00:37:18.060 is it

00:37:19.200 there you go

00:37:19.580 that's better

00:37:20.040 it's just

00:37:20.680 buggered

00:37:21.020 it's just

00:37:21.280 oh it's got

00:37:21.760 in my hair

00:37:22.400 oh no

00:37:23.520 oh what's

00:37:24.640 going on here

00:37:25.140 ah

00:37:25.520 ouch

00:37:26.520 there we go

00:37:27.940 there we go

00:37:29.860 that's one for

00:37:30.720 the outtakes

00:37:31.360 alright I'll read

00:37:32.920 through some of

00:37:33.720 the rumble rants

00:37:35.660 here so

00:37:36.000 ramshackle otter

00:37:36.960 I'm a jazz

00:37:38.020 trained saxophonist

00:37:39.140 I was taught

00:37:39.660 jazz and blues

00:37:40.300 is the entire

00:37:40.860 root of modern

00:37:41.660 popular music

00:37:42.760 it isn't the

00:37:43.760 contribution of

00:37:44.480 British folk

00:37:45.020 and early music

00:37:45.660 has been erased

00:37:46.220 we must raise

00:37:47.040 this yes in

00:37:47.920 particular scotch

00:37:48.960 irish folk music

00:37:50.240 hugely important

00:37:52.060 to the

00:37:53.500 development of

00:37:54.540 modern music

00:37:55.120 the actual

00:37:56.040 current like

00:37:57.080 typical rock band

00:37:58.240 setup bass

00:37:59.280 guitar

00:38:00.180 drums

00:38:01.080 vocalist

00:38:01.820 that's a folk

00:38:02.780 band setup right

00:38:03.840 there most

00:38:04.520 popularized by

00:38:05.660 english and

00:38:07.200 scotch irish

00:38:07.940 folk bands

00:38:08.620 and copied as

00:38:10.720 well by the blues

00:38:11.600 the shadow band

00:38:13.000 says rock and

00:38:13.800 roll thank you

00:38:14.600 very much

00:38:15.180 ophuk says

00:38:16.680 hey littler

00:38:19.220 by famous

00:38:20.020 american words

00:38:20.780 with kanye west

00:38:22.120 is pretty good

00:38:23.100 i'm told

00:38:23.660 i'm sure one of

00:38:24.540 those guys that

00:38:25.200 i was talking

00:38:25.700 about then

00:38:26.280 i forget which

00:38:26.880 one exactly

00:38:27.540 also produced

00:38:28.960 with kanye west

00:38:30.420 again

00:38:30.840 maybe not their

00:38:32.520 proudest moment

00:38:33.280 anymore

00:38:34.060 sigil stone 17

00:38:35.680 if all music is

00:38:36.500 african i guess

00:38:37.260 that means they're

00:38:37.820 responsible for

00:38:38.540 vague vikerns

00:38:39.720 then uronymous

00:38:40.300 was just another

00:38:41.080 victim of white

00:38:42.320 supremacy

00:38:42.860 probably yeah

00:38:43.980 that's a random

00:38:45.120 name the video

00:38:45.760 game industry is

00:38:46.900 similar in the

00:38:47.380 sense that most

00:38:47.980 indie game devs

00:38:48.940 are actually

00:38:49.440 financed directly

00:38:50.360 or indirectly by

00:38:51.340 black rock

00:38:51.840 microsoft etc but

00:38:53.000 they obviously

00:38:53.480 never mention it

00:38:54.220 he follows up

00:38:54.920 with two more

00:38:55.440 saying here in

00:38:56.360 montreal they're

00:38:56.980 all part of a

00:38:57.480 secret email list

00:38:58.520 where they all

00:38:59.160 talk to one

00:38:59.620 another about who

00:39:00.320 to hire and

00:39:01.120 who not to

00:39:01.820 i understood i'd

00:39:02.900 never advance in

00:39:03.560 the industry unless

00:39:04.240 i sold my soul

00:39:05.160 even then most

00:39:06.260 true indie devs

00:39:06.960 usually get bought

00:39:07.660 by black rock

00:39:08.300 then lose their

00:39:08.880 souls it's and

00:39:10.500 and other things

00:39:11.400 it's why i went

00:39:13.100 full indie as a

00:39:14.280 solo dev but i

00:39:15.380 refuse to sell

00:39:16.120 out wish me luck

00:39:16.940 inshallah mashallah

00:39:18.040 my brother yeah

00:39:20.040 it was a shame

00:39:21.000 because again the

00:39:21.760 network that i

00:39:22.520 interacted with

00:39:23.500 doesn't it doesn't

00:39:24.840 need to be woke

00:39:26.160 shit libs controlling

00:39:27.720 even the lower

00:39:28.560 levels of the music

00:39:29.620 industry and the

00:39:30.580 gatekeeping you from

00:39:31.600 getting into it but

00:39:32.860 it's just ended up

00:39:34.220 that way because i

00:39:35.120 think with rock in

00:39:35.900 particular woke

00:39:37.140 shit libs like the

00:39:38.020 aesthetic because they

00:39:38.980 think it makes them

00:39:39.720 rebellious they think

00:39:40.640 they're still

00:39:41.020 rebelling against

00:39:41.840 margaret thatcher's

00:39:42.680 england when it

00:39:43.600 just it actually

00:39:44.540 just makes them a

00:39:45.160 bit of a relic if

00:39:45.940 you ask me

00:39:46.540 okay oh yes of

00:39:51.320 course you can

00:39:51.840 okay all right so

00:39:54.540 i thought maybe we

00:39:55.340 could talk a little

00:39:55.900 bit about the

00:39:56.460 possible future of

00:39:57.760 warfare i know

00:39:59.800 where you're going

00:40:00.360 all right then

00:40:01.360 assuming the um

00:40:04.180 the modern the

00:40:05.260 the future battlefield

00:40:06.260 isn't just all

00:40:07.260 tactical nukes

00:40:08.360 um so elon posted a

00:40:12.640 thing just the other

00:40:13.260 days the new tesla

00:40:14.440 bot uh should i play

00:40:16.760 this i don't need the

00:40:18.200 sound particularly but

00:40:20.660 um so first thing to

00:40:22.260 say is just

00:40:22.760 let's uh get rid of

00:40:25.680 that sound um yeah

00:40:27.600 so um first thing to

00:40:29.980 say is that it's sort

00:40:31.060 of interesting

00:40:31.820 remarkable how far

00:40:33.100 technology quickly

00:40:33.980 technology is coming

00:40:34.880 along some people

00:40:35.860 saying this is cgi

00:40:36.700 because i think a few

00:40:37.360 years ago he's

00:40:37.680 shucking and jiving

00:40:38.480 look at him

00:40:39.080 pretty cool actually

00:40:40.020 it's remarkable it's

00:40:41.040 scary though well

00:40:41.900 yeah um imagine it's

00:40:43.480 going to be like a

00:40:44.020 fortnight lobby where

00:40:44.900 he's going after you've

00:40:45.720 been murdered well

00:40:46.820 yeah after he's shot

00:40:47.380 you to death he's

00:40:48.020 going to do his

00:40:48.500 little fortnight dance

00:40:49.660 for you tea bagging

00:40:51.520 your corpse and doing

00:40:52.320 a fortnight dance over

00:40:54.420 your corpse someone on

00:40:55.420 twitter said just

00:40:56.220 imagine a tesla bond

00:40:57.480 um tea bagging human

00:40:59.680 corpses forever that's the

00:41:02.060 thing though um so

00:41:03.600 some the first thing

00:41:04.640 some people said

00:41:05.300 because i think maybe

00:41:06.560 tessa did this before

00:41:07.520 a few years ago they

00:41:08.240 put out something

00:41:08.720 similar and it was

00:41:09.920 actually cgi but this

00:41:11.380 isn't cgi apparently

00:41:13.000 uh but anyway i've

00:41:14.580 come on a fair way

00:41:15.340 from those robots um

00:41:17.660 sort of just about

00:41:18.400 walking along in that

00:41:19.500 steady unsteady way to

00:41:21.880 they can actually kind

00:41:22.780 of dance

00:41:23.380 there's other one with

00:41:24.180 their backs sort of

00:41:25.000 half bent and they're

00:41:26.040 kind of walking

00:41:26.920 yeah really peculiar

00:41:28.660 um of course the worry

00:41:30.060 is that not only is it

00:41:31.040 just for a laugh to

00:41:33.440 show that it's possible

00:41:34.340 that it can dance or

00:41:35.600 that it can do menial

00:41:37.860 tasks for you like do

00:41:39.080 your washing and

00:41:39.760 ironing and take the

00:41:40.560 dog for a walk uh but

00:41:42.340 you know you give it a

00:41:43.100 machine gun yeah and

00:41:44.800 it's an absolutely

00:41:45.600 implacable ruthless

00:41:46.700 killer that never gets

00:41:48.640 tired and it absolutely

00:41:50.520 will not stop and has

00:41:51.820 no morals yeah no yeah

00:41:53.960 no moral framework i mean

00:41:55.420 that is the worry i i did

00:41:57.400 a tweet just saying i don't

00:41:59.260 think it's cool it's kind

00:41:59.920 of terrifying if you gave

00:42:01.280 it an m60 and orders to

00:42:04.340 kill everything and then

00:42:06.460 you've got divisions or

00:42:07.280 legions battalions of

00:42:09.220 them uh some people

00:42:10.880 saying um you know

00:42:11.920 calm down that's not

00:42:12.660 going to happen we're a

00:42:13.500 long way off of that

00:42:14.180 well probably not a long

00:42:15.260 way all you need is

00:42:17.340 someone ruthless enough

00:42:18.520 to do it someone like

00:42:20.340 bill gates or charles

00:42:21.740 soros or bezos or

00:42:22.760 whoever some future

00:42:24.460 billionaire some saudi

00:42:25.540 prince gets hold of it

00:42:26.600 yeah yeah um and uh and

00:42:30.280 other people saying no

00:42:31.020 the human soldier still

00:42:32.080 be way easier or they'll

00:42:33.540 just be you'll just make

00:42:34.480 emp weapons something

00:42:36.460 like that just whip up an

00:42:37.940 emp yeah yeah you do

00:42:39.780 you do um so yeah i just

00:42:43.260 thought and other people

00:42:44.560 say um that it's just sort

00:42:48.200 of being paranoid to think

00:42:49.760 that people have debated this

00:42:52.220 the singularity for a long

00:42:53.860 time like singularity is it

00:42:56.420 is that what it's called

00:42:57.240 oh well no i mean

00:42:58.860 possible and you know

00:43:00.040 is singularity that's

00:43:01.760 that's where ai takes

00:43:03.160 over um human um sort of

00:43:06.880 populations essentially

00:43:08.220 almost replace them like

00:43:09.680 skynet it becomes

00:43:10.800 conscious and

00:43:11.700 conscious and uh let's be

00:43:13.560 confused with the

00:43:14.100 singularity at the center of

00:43:15.040 a black hole i think would

00:43:16.140 this be the idea of it

00:43:17.620 wanting to first and

00:43:19.120 foremost preserve itself

00:43:20.300 yes worried that the

00:43:22.000 existence of humanity would

00:43:23.380 mean that it defies the

00:43:24.880 laws uh i forgot what

00:43:26.400 they were called once

00:43:27.340 again but uh yeah i mean

00:43:28.580 i think we're probably

00:43:29.220 still probably what do i

00:43:31.040 know really but i can't

00:43:32.260 see the future but

00:43:33.240 probably still a long way

00:43:34.580 off from that but still

00:43:35.840 just the idea that you've

00:43:36.860 got kill bots that are

00:43:39.300 almost as agile as

00:43:41.480 humans um one of the main

00:43:45.160 weapons of war now being

00:43:46.640 used especially in ukraine is

00:43:48.040 drones yeah i'll get on to

00:43:49.440 drones in a sec i'm sorry

00:43:50.420 so yeah well no so well

00:43:51.440 let's just go show them

00:43:52.020 now so that's the thing the

00:43:52.900 first thing one of the

00:43:54.120 arguments against someone

00:43:55.380 like me saying oh i'm

00:43:56.400 suspicious of of a robot

00:43:58.200 like that because it could

00:43:59.800 easily be turned into a

00:44:00.720 weapon as i said well it

00:44:02.000 won't even be a humanoid

00:44:03.700 thing anyway it will be

00:44:05.260 something else it'll be

00:44:06.320 like um a dog shape or have

00:44:08.780 wheels or it won't even be

00:44:10.700 that at all it'll be drones

00:44:11.720 i think that's a black

00:44:12.980 mirror episode with a dog

00:44:14.160 shape as well yeah a few

00:44:15.280 people said that i've not

00:44:16.060 seen that episode of black

00:44:17.100 mirror but um you remember

00:44:18.800 boston dynamic some people

00:44:20.080 say oh this isn't even you

00:44:21.120 why are you worried about

00:44:21.780 this now it's not even

00:44:22.700 you these have been around

00:44:23.500 for years and years well

00:44:24.360 it's true it's a fair

00:44:24.940 point doesn't make it any

00:44:26.480 less worrying to me um i've

00:44:29.740 just got a few videos here

00:44:30.600 various things yeah it's

00:44:31.920 bizarre isn't it like yeah

00:44:33.920 he runs like a drunkard as

00:44:35.640 you could this is actually a

00:44:36.680 few years old i think this

00:44:37.780 one yeah um but you can tell

00:44:40.400 the speed of progress and you

00:44:41.920 get marry up with ai yeah or

00:44:45.880 future versions of ai which

00:44:47.220 are truly not really

00:44:48.980 intelligent but can make

00:44:50.180 decisions in a split second

00:44:51.480 yeah and they're the best

00:44:52.800 shot ever and all that sort

00:44:55.280 of thing you know and they

00:44:56.460 can sit they've got a better

00:44:57.840 vision than a man it's got

00:45:00.280 mechanical yeah right more of

00:45:03.120 the story is really just uh be

00:45:04.940 polite to chat gpt just in case

00:45:07.820 yeah all right i refuse i'll go

00:45:10.760 down swinging bro yeah well it

00:45:14.060 is a little bit it's a possible

00:45:15.740 gpt still possible future is

00:45:18.600 something more and more like the

00:45:20.000 terminator the early terminator

00:45:22.260 film my gosh um i can do that

00:45:25.980 easy and again basic flexibility

00:45:29.260 yeah again these things are

00:45:31.280 terrifying that's terrifying i find

00:45:33.940 it difficult not to be a bit

00:45:35.020 concerned yeah uh that this is

00:45:39.200 just very very easily be made into

00:45:41.180 some sort of very uncomfortable

00:45:42.960 some sort of weapon i want to

00:45:44.720 humiliate it dress it up in a little

00:45:47.000 monkey suit and make it serve me

00:45:48.540 martinis for the rest of the

00:45:49.900 miserable existence and make it

00:45:51.880 just

00:45:52.180 god make it just self-aware enough

00:45:57.600 to be horrified by its existence

00:46:00.220 it just it just dances though it's

00:46:03.780 just you just go do a cool dance

00:46:05.500 though i mean this one is in these

00:46:07.380 graves this is like five years old so

00:46:09.540 you can imagine how and you can

00:46:10.940 imagine how the military um of so

00:46:13.960 much further advanced than what we

00:46:15.500 get to see or what we can buy it

00:46:17.080 it's true um it's true if you ever

00:46:19.680 seen uh robocop 2 oh yeah i've seen

00:46:23.060 that one yeah yeah robocop 2 they show

00:46:25.480 briefly there's some bits in it where

00:46:27.060 they show different versions of like

00:46:29.260 earlier versions of robocop and

00:46:32.020 their sort of uncanny valley that's

00:46:34.400 the one that will actually be killing

00:46:35.680 you the little dog yeah the dog thing

00:46:38.400 because it can fit into tighter spaces

00:46:40.220 probably move maneuver itself more uh

00:46:42.720 more quickly because a humanoid isn't

00:46:45.280 really an optimal kill machine is it

00:46:48.700 really it's a bit it's a bit sort of

00:46:51.480 precarious yeah it's a bit precarious

00:46:53.240 isn't it on two legs well i mean just

00:46:55.740 think about it like what is the purpose

00:46:57.260 of this other than look at them dancing

00:47:00.820 isn't this so funny unless you're going

00:47:02.820 to try and weaponize you can also do

00:47:04.260 household chores so there is that look

00:47:07.140 after your old people that you don't

00:47:08.980 want to fatter and lazier well to be

00:47:11.740 fair i suppose the old people i mean

00:47:13.360 if it stops us having to import the

00:47:15.620 entire third world i could maybe accept

00:47:18.300 it in your old age would you rather be

00:47:20.720 looked after by one of these robots or

00:47:22.940 someone that doesn't really want to from

00:47:25.620 the third world probably take the robot

00:47:29.080 probably probably less likely to abuse

00:47:33.020 you yeah more likely to understand basic

00:47:35.400 english and instructions um you can just

00:47:37.840 see like the the dog one it's sort of

00:47:39.740 robotic arm easily replace that with a

00:47:42.520 weapon a gun not even a machine gun like

00:47:45.520 a laser some future weapon that's even

00:47:47.200 more terrifying than an a regular 21st

00:47:50.420 century machine gun is this one actually

00:47:52.160 not cgi because the dog in particular

00:47:54.220 looks a little bit like computer

00:47:56.300 generated to me well we live in a world

00:47:58.540 where it's not always easy to know is it

00:48:00.900 it's not always easy to tell can i try and

00:48:03.260 turn the volume off before i play it i don't

00:48:05.960 think there's a way to do it so okay i

00:48:09.000 don't know what

00:48:09.640 okay oh thank you samson yeah so this one

00:48:14.320 doesn't look particularly cgi although it

00:48:15.640 might be but that's the world we live in

00:48:17.020 now where you're not even sure are you

00:48:18.260 yeah yeah scary this one looks more real

00:48:20.580 the other one looked like it was its

00:48:22.520 actual mechanical limbs looked a bit loose

00:48:24.740 and wobbly it made it look cgi

00:48:27.760 imagine you know thousands of these that

00:48:30.400 are on the battlefield and maybe both

00:48:34.640 sides are using them as well so maybe it

00:48:38.260 reduces human death and misery ultimately

00:48:40.400 maybe a future war like the ukrainian

00:48:42.780 russian war a limited war when they're

00:48:44.320 not just nuking each other into oblivion

00:48:45.940 on day one might just be both sides are

00:48:49.700 just using these types of machines who

00:48:53.980 knows uh i think probably another

00:48:57.380 argument is that well humans are still

00:48:59.260 way cheaper though for for the russians

00:49:01.860 for the chinese it's actually way

00:49:03.380 cheaper despite it takes 20 years to

00:49:05.340 grow one and a family is ruined when

00:49:07.460 they die chinese government or russian

00:49:10.080 government that's never bothered their

00:49:11.960 governments over there it's cheaper

00:49:13.460 still humans but at some point it won't

00:49:16.700 be cheaper to use humans i would have

00:49:18.600 thought these guys don't necessarily

00:49:20.660 need feeding right yeah that's another

00:49:23.580 thing a lot of people say fairly glibly

00:49:25.060 i think on twitter it's like well its

00:49:26.340 batteries will run out okay yeah until

00:49:29.080 it but until they do it's one of the

00:49:32.260 most terrifying things you can imagine

00:49:33.660 i mean i struggle to see in my mind

00:49:36.160 though if all warfare did become an army

00:49:39.380 of these on one side an army of them on

00:49:41.100 the other side at the same time i

00:49:42.920 struggle to see where like how do you

00:49:45.180 advance strategically how do you know

00:49:47.840 when you've won a battle just when you

00:49:50.860 run out of these at which point to the

00:49:52.520 huge at which point when do the humans

00:49:54.120 have to come back into it will it just

00:49:56.080 be that these will

00:49:57.180 act as the uh the forces going into

00:50:01.620 cities

00:50:02.140 and murdering people at which case it'll

00:50:04.460 just be a case of which which side can

00:50:06.920 commit the most civilian atrocities

00:50:08.560 before the other gives up

00:50:09.880 yeah yeah i mean that's total war that

00:50:12.980 has yeah it's always that is always the

00:50:14.960 way maybe it's just the first waves on

00:50:17.220 both sides of robots i just missing and

00:50:19.420 then until one side runs out of robots and

00:50:21.240 then it's humans versus robots yeah i just

00:50:24.040 miss when i read about the 19th century

00:50:25.940 when eventually it would get to a point

00:50:27.300 where stachisic

00:50:27.980 targets are met and they all meet up and

00:50:31.640 they sign a peace treaty with one another we

00:50:33.700 stopped doing that early in the 20th

00:50:36.040 century well i mean i was watching

00:50:38.480 something as i quite often do about

00:50:39.980 napoleon um and in the early the early

00:50:43.280 19th or very very late 18th century early

00:50:45.340 19th century that was the thing they

00:50:46.800 complained about napoleon is that quite

00:50:48.580 often um in europe anyway armies would

00:50:51.380 maneuver until it was clear one side had

00:50:53.060 got the upper hand tactically strategically

00:50:55.220 and then the other side would give in

00:50:56.980 before there was any sort of big battle

00:50:58.360 napoleon didn't do that and they thought

00:51:00.160 it was like very unfair it was very

00:51:01.380 unsporting that he would keep attacking

00:51:03.180 even when the odds weren't with him and

00:51:04.780 stuff uh so yeah who knows maybe war

00:51:07.440 will come down to oh all your robots killed

00:51:09.640 all our robots so let's stop the war

00:51:12.780 there because all your robots will

00:51:14.300 certainly kill all our humans so we give

00:51:16.860 in who knows maybe it will save maybe it

00:51:20.160 might save lives um we'll see but then so i

00:51:25.160 think it will probably be much more these

00:51:27.020 sort of dog things rather than the

00:51:29.340 humanoid ones and you see it already like

00:51:32.360 police uh paramilitary and police i get

00:51:36.740 once again you can only imagine that the

00:51:38.160 the cutting edge of the best militaries in

00:51:40.500 the world the u.s military or the chinese

00:51:42.740 um will have something way even more

00:51:45.560 advanced than this and once again you can

00:51:48.840 just so easily imagine that the thing on

00:51:50.300 top of it is a gun or a rocket launcher a

00:51:55.080 grenade launcher or whatever it is lasers you

00:51:57.080 know i remember during um obviously the

00:51:59.520 height of all like the lockdowns and

00:52:00.900 everything in china um they were when people

00:52:04.640 were stuck in these big flats they would

00:52:07.360 the chinese government would send up these

00:52:09.640 drones with you know speakers on it to

00:52:12.860 basically churn out a message saying stay in

00:52:15.280 your homes don't play loud music things like

00:52:18.340 that just you know keep doing what you're

00:52:20.600 doing send a drone up to your balcony on the

00:52:22.580 17th floor yeah and look in and say stop doing

00:52:25.240 what you're doing yeah stop doing what you're

00:52:26.540 doing insane is and you it's i think we had

00:52:30.820 a chat at least at one point about how

00:52:32.700 dystopian novels actually have been a bit

00:52:34.900 of a bad thing because it's kind of like

00:52:37.420 influenced it gives them ideas gives them

00:52:39.660 ideas well i mean i i think i was having a

00:52:42.420 conversation with connor where we're

00:52:44.340 talking about brave new world and he spoke

00:52:46.280 to me about how brave new world was actually

00:52:48.740 supposed to be huxley going like wouldn't

00:52:51.140 this be such a wonderful thing right right if

00:52:53.200 we all get rid of unhappiness and everybody

00:52:55.040 can just take a drug that makes them

00:52:56.620 happy all the time isn't john the savage

00:52:59.040 such an idiot for refusing such a thing

00:53:01.240 yeah sometimes you wonder if some of these

00:53:03.160 guys understand the story that they write

00:53:04.960 oh yeah i reread brave new world a few

00:53:07.740 months ago it's very anti-family like the

00:53:10.300 idea of having a mom and a dad is

00:53:11.920 disgusting and weird yeah it's very very

00:53:15.340 dystopian that always says far more about

00:53:17.900 the author if that's what they believe

00:53:19.800 than uh the uh than society itself if you

00:53:23.480 ask me people say you know we're building

00:53:25.140 them just for our convenience they'll just

00:53:26.740 do household chores and things it's like

00:53:28.320 well okay maybe but it'll be both surely it'll

00:53:31.040 be both why limit it yeah um there will

00:53:34.520 always there has always been history has

00:53:35.940 always shown that there will be when there's

00:53:38.180 ruthless people and there always will be and

00:53:40.800 there's a new weapon new weapons platform a

00:53:43.620 new type of game changing weapon it will

00:53:46.260 almost certainly be used i mean the great

00:53:47.700 example where that isn't the case is nukes

00:53:50.460 or even nerve agents like the americans

00:53:53.300 and the british made insanely powerful

00:53:56.580 poisonous nerve agents things like uh vx

00:53:59.960 poison port and down stuff and they actually

00:54:02.880 decided a bit like nukes they decided

00:54:05.060 actually let's not keep developing this

00:54:07.500 because it's insanely powerful you know

00:54:10.400 like the the russians made the biggest

00:54:11.960 ever czar bomber i think it was and they

00:54:15.080 never made anything bigger than that but

00:54:16.780 they could they could make tritium bombs they

00:54:18.920 could make even a doomsday device that could

00:54:20.940 destroy the whole world in one go

00:54:22.380 they decided let's not do that they had the

00:54:24.820 concept and plans done for the bomber too

00:54:27.440 didn't they and they never actually went

00:54:29.000 ahead and produced one well originally they

00:54:31.120 wanted a khrushchev wanted it to be a

00:54:33.620 hundred megaton yield and they could build

00:54:37.340 it they could definitely design and build it

00:54:38.880 but they decided to scale it down a bit and

00:54:40.480 they made a 50 megaton version and actually

00:54:42.740 when they blew it up it was a bit more than

00:54:44.940 that it was 52 56 megatons or something but

00:54:47.460 even that's like twice as big as the biggest

00:54:49.360 american one i think castle bravo is 25 26

00:54:52.300 megatons something like that so anyway

00:54:53.760 uh they don't make there's no czar bombers

00:54:56.080 anymore they don't they don't make them

00:54:57.940 anymore but still the point is you can have

00:54:59.700 one intercontinental ballistic missile with

00:55:02.440 like 48 warheads on it and each one's 20

00:55:04.900 megatons or kilotons or whatever and then

00:55:07.960 but they could make things even bigger like i

00:55:10.160 think they there were designs at some point

00:55:12.760 to make a doomsday device literally one

00:55:16.160 machine one bomb essentially that you create

00:55:19.120 in your own country in the middle of russia

00:55:21.480 under a mountain on the middle of america

00:55:22.740 under a mountain and you say look if you ever

00:55:24.180 attack us we'll destroy the whole world how

00:55:26.280 about that now how about that and they

00:55:28.180 decided let's not do that that's not

00:55:31.140 actually in anyone's interest they have a

00:55:32.480 limit yeah

00:55:33.300 boy in the psychopath yeah um so and well

00:55:38.720 and then you get into i thought i had

00:55:41.000 another link there with uh the chinese the

00:55:44.300 chinese was it that last twitter link on

00:55:46.420 there is that the one yes so another

00:55:49.540 argument is we have to make these things

00:55:51.580 boston dynamics and the u.s army or

00:55:53.280 whoever have to make these things because

00:55:55.320 if we don't the chinese or the russians

00:55:57.240 will make i mean this is the trend do you

00:55:59.580 ever see return to oz the old 80s return to

00:56:02.620 oz anyway there's some monsters in that

00:56:04.840 called wheelers anyone that's seen the

00:56:07.080 film will know exactly what i mean

00:56:08.340 immediately and uh it's just it's nightmare

00:56:11.060 fuel isn't it it's nightmare it actually is

00:56:13.120 uncomfortable to what all these videos

00:56:14.940 that you played are actually really

00:56:16.020 uncomfortable to watch it's bizarre it's

00:56:18.780 like yeah i don't know it's just so

00:56:21.840 unnatural yeah and so forced it just

00:56:24.860 doesn't i don't know my brain it's just

00:56:27.760 there's almost a bit of fear yeah and i

00:56:30.900 think that's it's like being scared of

00:56:33.280 spiders and how they look and how they

00:56:35.500 act and move like it's exactly the same

00:56:38.680 and it can be controlled by a human as

00:56:41.220 well right remotely if you want to do

00:56:44.240 that and it's just it's just better at you

00:56:46.880 that's at being a soldier yeah it's

00:56:49.540 terrifying yeah yeah all those hours that

00:56:51.920 people have put into call of duty would

00:56:53.540 finally be paying off at being a soldier

00:56:57.120 on the battlefield it's better than you

00:56:59.380 nearly nearly already and you can

00:57:01.880 imagine in 10 20 100 years 200 years

00:57:05.500 a thousand years from now you can imagine

00:57:08.280 how yeah obsolete a human soldier would

00:57:11.400 be um you see guy riding on the back of

00:57:14.940 it in a minute it's almost certainly not

00:57:16.160 cgi you know um these are still just sort

00:57:19.160 of like the earliest earliest prototype

00:57:21.440 stuff i like these in video games right it's

00:57:24.280 fun like there's a new terminator game

00:57:26.220 coming out where uh you basically it's a

00:57:30.260 bit like i don't escape from tarkov you

00:57:32.240 ever played anything like that but you go

00:57:34.160 out it's like you know trying to get loot

00:57:37.040 and you have stuff like this and obviously

00:57:40.140 the terminator coming after you like

00:57:42.560 plonked on the map randomly and you have

00:57:44.400 to grab loot and get out yeah i like that in

00:57:47.420 video games not in real life yeah yeah very

00:57:50.000 much i'm just thinking of that like if you

00:57:51.720 really wanted to put people off this sort

00:57:54.140 of stuff in real life if you end up having

00:57:55.860 to face against them on the battlefield

00:57:57.960 you'd go full mgs with them like an mgs 4

00:58:01.300 where you get the uh weird metal gear like

00:58:04.580 mini metal gear ray things that moo yeah

00:58:07.660 yeah moo when they're attacking you and

00:58:10.080 just make all sorts of shrieking off

00:58:12.080 putting noises that would make them even

00:58:13.680 worse yeah yeah well imagine one that's

00:58:17.740 300 foot tall that is basically a metal gear

00:58:21.360 yeah yeah weapon at this point yeah

00:58:23.680 kojima gave them all these yeah is as

00:58:25.720 well you talk about people

00:58:26.780 misinterpreting dystopias yeah it's an

00:58:29.640 old 80s film robot jocks where there's

00:58:31.160 just giant mech one-on-one battles but

00:58:33.900 you can imagine you can just imagine

00:58:35.900 when do we build the power ranger

00:58:38.120 mega zords some people say well it won't

00:58:40.960 it might not even be something like that

00:58:43.920 chinese robot dog thing it would just be

00:58:47.360 drone warfare that that's the future i mean

00:58:49.660 we've probably all seen clips of

00:58:51.600 yeah ukrainian battlefield where both

00:58:54.560 sides are blowing each other up with

00:58:55.980 sort of suicide drones the drone the

00:58:58.400 drone's got a little bit of explosive in

00:59:00.180 it a little bit of c4 or something and it

00:59:01.700 just flies into you or into your tank or

00:59:04.400 your armored car and blows up and that's

00:59:07.100 the end of the story we've probably all

00:59:08.600 seen those yeah i mean i feel like that

00:59:11.500 probably or a combination of both these

00:59:13.840 things you might have things actually on

00:59:15.140 the ground that look like a humanoid tesla

00:59:17.960 robot a rex bot or um or uh the dog

00:59:22.400 version but they control a swarm of of

00:59:27.220 drones like super fast drones really

00:59:30.980 really small drones um i mean that thing

00:59:34.460 on screen if that's an actual picture

00:59:36.900 that thing's pretty tiny yeah um and look

00:59:39.800 how fast it can go that's ridiculous

00:59:43.220 faster than you can react almost um and

00:59:47.580 and this is just a toy that anyone can

00:59:48.940 buy this is a you can once again it look

00:59:51.360 apparently it weighs like 16 grams it's

00:59:54.180 it's sort of a tiny thing but even that

00:59:56.540 you could get a really really good bit of

00:59:58.560 explosive that's the ties of a thumbnail

01:00:00.920 and the thing itself is only a few inches

01:00:04.260 across faster than you can react almost

01:00:07.540 faster than you can see and uh i've seen

01:00:10.940 you get tens of thousands of them yeah

01:00:13.560 yeah attacking a city or something i've

01:00:16.940 seen all the videos with the little

01:00:18.480 micro drones where they do they try and

01:00:20.580 do like stunts and go in abandoned

01:00:22.100 buildings and dip out at ridiculous

01:00:24.760 speeds and it's just like you can fly

01:00:27.120 upstairs through building any anything

01:00:28.800 you want anything you want really it's

01:00:30.740 actually i feel like the future of

01:00:32.600 warfare might just be drone and anti-drone

01:00:35.780 drone yeah yeah

01:00:37.940 machine versus machine yeah you've got

01:00:40.380 anti-drone drones yeah yeah so it's just

01:00:45.540 you might have seen i saw fairly recently

01:00:48.100 some footage from ukraine i'm not sure if

01:00:50.840 it's uk ukrainian or russian tanks

01:00:52.820 probably both do they've got this like

01:00:54.360 elaborate set of like netting all around

01:00:57.380 the tank so these suicide drones will hit

01:00:59.880 that before they hit the actual tank

01:01:02.120 itself um all sorts of anti-drone measures

01:01:05.680 that that's the world we're moving into

01:01:09.220 now um like you've got sort of race or

01:01:12.360 speed drones look how fast this goes

01:01:14.120 yeah it's just again it's like something

01:01:20.440 you people said even if you've got a

01:01:22.180 shotgun with you know a blast on it a

01:01:25.540 buckshot or birdshot you you probably

01:01:27.620 still be very difficult to hit one when

01:01:30.440 it's incoming explains a lot about ufos

01:01:32.760 um potentially and once again if this

01:01:36.660 is just a toy yeah what the actual

01:01:38.760 military have got yeah ready yeah would

01:01:41.200 be worrying it's true

01:01:43.120 there's a racing drone again make you

01:01:46.520 could make them pretty tiny or you could

01:01:49.000 make them like that's ridiculous yeah

01:01:50.640 it's just ridiculous yeah

01:01:52.080 yeah it's just what's why are we giving

01:01:56.640 this to people like to use like that's

01:01:59.200 just i don't know or you could make

01:02:02.380 them potentially if the military get

01:02:04.780 involved put loads of research and

01:02:06.060 development into it loads of money

01:02:07.220 you can make them the size of an actual

01:02:08.900 insect maybe yeah make them look like a

01:02:11.680 flyer it's already been done or

01:02:13.720 something right

01:02:14.540 it's already been done i think so perhaps

01:02:17.260 the battlefield not just of men but of

01:02:19.980 even humanoid robots is already obsolete

01:02:23.360 that's already old hat it will just be

01:02:26.220 drone v drone stuff um yeah and and we've

01:02:32.820 probably already seen lots of people

01:02:34.060 seen clips like this where you can you

01:02:37.000 know one person one computer or whatever

01:02:39.160 is able to make uh what they call them

01:02:42.800 battalions armies of drones uh do what

01:02:47.440 they want and that stuff is pretty cool

01:02:49.600 does look cool it's a bit terrifying like

01:02:53.120 until you imagine the orders are yeah

01:02:55.320 yeah right destroy your town yeah yeah

01:02:57.820 and everyone that lives where you live

01:02:59.740 and they're all they're all a suicide

01:03:02.420 drone

01:03:02.860 uh terrifying i just wonder and so when

01:03:08.240 someone like elon or lots of people put

01:03:10.640 this sort of stuff up um and just say look

01:03:13.500 how cool it is look how good it is and

01:03:14.860 don't worry

01:03:15.380 uh because we haven't nuked ourselves yet so

01:03:17.860 we can stop ourselves from that and don't

01:03:20.000 worry because it's only there to do

01:03:21.780 chores for you in the end don't worry

01:03:23.520 because it's just a toy it's just fun

01:03:25.740 i fear i just fear that um at some point

01:03:31.020 the future of warfare will be uh the last

01:03:36.100 thing you notice is you hear the whirr of a

01:03:38.660 drone you hear the

01:03:39.420 something that's it you don't see it even

01:03:42.080 you just you might not even hear it

01:03:43.920 barely and and that's it you've been

01:03:45.980 suicide droned scary so yeah a bit

01:03:49.800 scary okay anyway all right should we

01:03:52.300 go through your uh rumble rants yeah go

01:03:54.680 ahead yeah uh oh there was one for me

01:03:58.280 dr luke and max martin were responsible

01:04:00.100 for a ton of popular songs yeah reference

01:04:01.800 one of them

01:04:02.360 uh i'll read through some of yours sigil

01:04:04.620 stone says cybernetic revolt is nigh

01:04:07.860 prepare to destroy the abominable

01:04:09.420 intelligence may the omnisia guide us from

01:04:12.580 this rotting cage of biomatter machine god

01:04:15.220 free us

01:04:15.860 wow okay hope they're being ironic there

01:04:19.300 yeah uh reese jam p says it's friday lads

01:04:22.320 how are we feeling pretty good yeah i'm

01:04:25.440 feeling good pretty good i've had a coffee

01:04:27.100 so all is good yeah that's a random name

01:04:29.480 once men turned their thinking over to

01:04:31.900 machines in the hope that this would set

01:04:33.200 them free but that only permitted other

01:04:34.900 men with machines to enslave them

01:04:37.100 dune pronounced the british way

01:04:40.540 dune dune yes frank herbert one of my

01:04:44.600 favorite novels of all time i've got a

01:04:45.940 long piece

01:04:46.380 a long form piece of content with nate

01:04:49.440 off of miss hate reviews on my channel

01:04:50.860 history bro check that out

01:04:52.040 talking all about dune in stupid detail

01:04:54.640 i love it it's a great great novel

01:04:56.680 there you go check that out

01:04:58.400 oph uk if they bring robot dogs to the

01:05:01.920 battlefield

01:05:02.360 just get a robot cat for them to chase

01:05:05.280 after checkmate skynet yeah see this is

01:05:08.620 the sort of ingenuity that you've not

01:05:10.240 thought of

01:05:10.760 that's a random name again for the record

01:05:12.980 i'm in favor of ai i think it is the

01:05:15.160 next step in our technological evolution

01:05:17.100 the problem is that it's controlled by

01:05:18.860 humanity's worst elements but larry and

01:05:21.240 jihad when

01:05:21.960 again that's a reference to dune um it

01:05:24.940 will you say but the problem is yeah

01:05:26.400 yeah that's a big problem though that's

01:05:27.980 the whole ballgame that's what i'm

01:05:28.860 talking about

01:05:29.340 yeah that's the problem the godfather of

01:05:31.240 ai recently came out and said he

01:05:32.620 regrets it

01:05:33.380 because he's worried about the

01:05:35.200 direction it's taking

01:05:36.220 that that came out very recently

01:05:38.240 touched on that a bit

01:05:39.920 well sigil stone again the last one

01:05:41.900 we've got right now says castle bravo

01:05:43.360 was the 50 megaton one that was more

01:05:44.880 powerful than expected sar bombo was

01:05:46.900 500 megatons originally planned for

01:05:48.660 one gigaton

01:05:49.300 but they couldn't move it and he's

01:05:51.200 just sent in another one i need carl on

01:05:52.800 for these segments where i can

01:05:53.780 reference warhammer 40k

01:05:55.000 you're the wrong kind of nerds well

01:05:57.220 sorry

01:05:57.980 i like one warhammer 40k personally i

01:06:00.760 don't know why

01:06:01.380 yeah i love 40k i don't know why

01:06:03.040 carl hasn't done like a big sort of

01:06:05.920 tabletop sort of evening or something

01:06:08.620 that could be a lads hour

01:06:09.800 yeah i played tons of 40k when i was

01:06:11.840 young

01:06:12.120 had a few different armies haven't

01:06:13.680 played it in years and years and years

01:06:14.600 one quick thing i'll say though i'm

01:06:16.260 sorry sliggerstone 17 i believe you're

01:06:19.120 you are wrong castle bravo was bigger

01:06:21.120 than they expected

01:06:21.800 but there's never been a 500 megaton that's

01:06:25.180 insane that would like that yeah there's

01:06:28.700 never been anything that big perhaps

01:06:31.500 i'll be corrected when i after we

01:06:33.020 finish recording i have a quick look on

01:06:34.580 wikipedia but i'm pretty sure

01:06:36.440 nothing was any ever that big but

01:06:40.360 anyway

01:06:40.560 anyway shall we okay oh so the british

01:06:45.940 government is absolutely obsessed and

01:06:49.240 has a history of this obsession with

01:06:51.880 chemical experimentation uh we're seeing

01:06:54.880 it recently

01:06:55.520 with the new sun dimming uh proposal from

01:07:00.240 the british government that's pledged i

01:07:02.160 believe 50 million pounds into quote

01:07:05.220 dimming the sun

01:07:06.180 we get one nice spring and the government

01:07:08.700 is already trying to figure out how to

01:07:10.440 ruin it

01:07:10.880 i'm sure you're gonna get into it but i

01:07:12.640 saw a few headlines about this a week

01:07:14.140 or two ago and didn't bother reading i

01:07:15.360 thought it was nonsense but

01:07:16.140 what do they even mean what does that

01:07:17.740 what what are they actually suggesting

01:07:19.560 we already have a dimmed sun most of the

01:07:21.640 year round it's called cloudy

01:07:23.140 yeah it's called being in northwest

01:07:24.700 europe yeah yeah yeah it's to um it's

01:07:28.160 research and development into um uh

01:07:30.720 putting certain chemicals creating like

01:07:33.080 a layer of smog essentially in the

01:07:34.840 atmosphere to block out the sun because

01:07:36.980 whenever it's like everywhere what global

01:07:38.880 los angeles

01:07:39.780 yeah essentially global like um they try

01:07:42.820 they want to try and recreate like

01:07:44.400 after a volcanic eruption with the ash

01:07:46.300 cloud it cools the temperature so to

01:07:48.600 counter

01:07:49.100 they want to recreate natural disasters

01:07:51.820 yes oh brilliant essentially great

01:07:53.720 start

01:07:54.140 why in britain i can get it if you live

01:07:55.720 in the deserts of arabia or something

01:07:57.780 where it is too hot but in england

01:07:59.280 it's unnecessarily

01:08:00.260 hardly ever

01:08:00.760 yeah at the same time as we're trying

01:08:03.160 to implement as much solar panel

01:08:04.840 technology as possible

01:08:06.040 they're gonna rob us of the two weeks

01:08:07.940 we get in july of warmth

01:08:09.480 exactly um so i decided for this

01:08:12.760 segment i wanted to run through

01:08:16.120 uh five real british chemical

01:08:20.100 experiments and i'm if we have time

01:08:21.940 i'll do a bonus at the end um because

01:08:24.380 this isn't the first time that the

01:08:26.360 government has tried to do a lot of

01:08:28.080 these chemical experimentations just

01:08:30.740 not not in atmospheric terms uh could

01:08:33.740 be conceived as different but actual

01:08:35.960 chemical experimentation on humans um and

01:08:40.560 i wanted to go through five of them

01:08:42.080 before we do samson was just

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01:09:11.000 cool all right so the first one um so

01:09:15.880 this is five this is between 1953 and

01:09:19.200 1963 and it's called the the fluorescent

01:09:22.540 particle trials so between 1953 and

01:09:26.600 1964 the uk ministry of defense conducted

01:09:29.980 a series of secret experiments known as

01:09:32.980 the fluorescent particle trials these

01:09:37.440 trials involved dispersing zinc cadmium

01:09:40.860 sulfide a fluorescent compound over large

01:09:44.340 areas of the country to simulate the

01:09:46.580 spread of biological or chemical agents in

01:09:49.480 the event of an attack these particles

01:09:52.840 which glow under ultraviolet light allowed

01:09:56.420 scientists to track how agents might

01:09:59.120 disperse in various environmental conditions

01:10:01.760 um and the primary aim of this so i'm just

01:10:06.680 going to go to the next article the box

01:10:08.460 not working just use the mouse cool oh

01:10:11.220 there we go thank you very much um the

01:10:13.500 primary aim was to assess the uk's

01:10:16.140 vulnerability to airborne biological or

01:10:18.980 chemical attacks particularly from the

01:10:21.260 soviet union during the cold war um by

01:10:24.420 releasing these particles from aircraft

01:10:26.880 ships and vehicles researchers could study

01:10:30.720 dispersion patterns and the potential reach

01:10:33.760 of harmful agents for instance in one

01:10:36.840 trial a generator towed along a road

01:10:39.800 near frome in sun in somerset releasing

01:10:43.740 the chemicals for an hour allowing

01:10:46.140 scientists to monitor to monitor its

01:10:48.780 spread and these trials were conducted

01:10:51.200 without public knowledge of course exposing

01:10:54.400 millions of people across the uk to these

01:10:56.340 particles and while the ministry of

01:10:58.420 defense maintained that the chemical was

01:11:00.460 harmless concerns arose due to cadmium's

01:11:04.120 the uh the particular particles uh

01:11:07.440 classification as a potential human

01:11:10.720 carcinogen right yeah oh brilliant yeah

01:11:16.040 um so we're worried about nuclear fall

01:11:18.500 out or chemical attack essentially so

01:11:20.500 we'll do a little bit of it you'll just

01:11:22.240 do a little bit of a sprinkle just to see

01:11:24.580 just to see what happens a little bit of

01:11:26.780 cancer never hurt anybody yeah of course

01:11:28.920 not um if we go back to the independent

01:11:31.020 article just again um it says the

01:11:33.460 independent writes during the cold war

01:11:35.660 the british government used the general

01:11:37.960 public as unwitting biological and chemical

01:11:40.640 warfare guinea pigs on a much greater

01:11:42.840 scale than previously thought according to

01:11:45.600 new historical research in more than 750

01:11:48.760 secret operations hundreds of thousands of

01:11:52.660 ordinary britons were subjected to mock

01:11:55.260 quote biological and chemical warfare attacks

01:11:58.320 launched from aircraft ships and road

01:12:00.560 vehicles pretty scary but there's more um if

01:12:04.440 we go to the next um one this one's called

01:12:07.520 the dice trials now the dice trials called

01:12:11.260 defense independent chemical evaluation

01:12:13.640 were a series of secret biological warfare

01:12:17.280 experiments conducted by the uk and us

01:12:20.520 militaries between 1971 and 75 in south

01:12:24.840 dorset in england these trials aimed to

01:12:28.280 obsess the feasibility of large area

01:12:30.680 coverage for biological attacks and to

01:12:33.560 test detection systems for airborne

01:12:35.920 biological agents so the objectives were

01:12:38.920 to evaluate to evaluate how effectively

01:12:42.140 biological agents could be dispersed once

01:12:44.880 again and to test performance of detection

01:12:48.340 equipment notably the us-developed xm19 detector

01:12:54.240 and the chemical used which i'll be honest i

01:13:00.280 cannot pronounce the name if we go to the

01:13:02.280 next one it's this chemical i can't pronounce

01:13:07.620 that but it's along with an anthrax simulant

01:13:12.260 serratia marcusonin marcusons is that it

01:13:16.060 possibly so there's some sort of bacteria

01:13:18.140 yeah dorset of all places what a lovely

01:13:21.200 idyllic place like you don't can they do

01:13:24.300 it no no somewhere out in the australian

01:13:29.000 desert or the mojave desert no dorset dorset

01:13:32.220 okay yeah not some island way out in the

01:13:34.880 pacific no no dorset okay cool and of course

01:13:38.880 nobody obviously knew about it until you know

01:13:41.500 later on um i mentioned port and down in my

01:13:44.880 last segment that's why i sort of gave a bit

01:13:47.420 of a nod oh okay that's yeah we're coming

01:13:49.720 up coming up to that um but yeah so you have

01:13:54.020 an anthrax simulant as well along with this

01:13:57.200 particular chemical that was being used too

01:13:59.360 um number three the next one called the

01:14:03.780 sabotage trials uh and that's the sabotage

01:14:07.480 trials were a series of covert biological

01:14:09.860 warfare experiments conducted by the uk government

01:14:12.400 between 52 and 64 these trials aim to assess the

01:14:17.120 vulnerability of london's infrastructure

01:14:19.240 particularly its underground tunnel networks and

01:14:22.500 key government buildings to potential biological

01:14:25.120 attacks so there's a big theme here

01:14:26.780 um and if we go to the next one

01:14:30.780 i believe and the one after sorry

01:14:32.980 something i'll quickly say is not that i'm

01:14:35.160 trying to defend any of this i wouldn't dream of

01:14:37.500 it i'm just saying in the 50s and even the

01:14:42.300 early 60s the cold war was very very real it's

01:14:44.780 hard for us to really appreciate you've just

01:14:47.500 lived through if you're old if you're sort of

01:14:50.120 60 70 year old in the 1950s 60s you've known

01:14:54.340 world war one you've known world war two

01:14:56.280 where the saturation bombing of civilian

01:14:58.600 areas you've known total war the idea that the

01:15:03.380 ruskies might actually nuke you in 1955 or they might

01:15:08.220 actually drop chemical biological agents on you

01:15:10.440 when we saw how brutal the russians were towards the

01:15:12.320 end as they were coming west as well right

01:15:14.160 they were not averse to just murdering civilians

01:15:17.380 so not that i'm trying to defend any of this

01:15:20.160 no i'm just saying it's a bit difficult for us to

01:15:22.220 it just seems completely insane for us now

01:15:24.420 it is yeah at the time it would have been

01:15:26.440 what was a genuine worry

01:15:28.380 and uh how are we going to protect ourselves if this happens

01:15:33.220 yeah there is uh of course all of that context is uh very necessary for

01:15:39.180 understanding this it's very different to do these kinds of

01:15:43.100 experiments for those kinds of reasons as opposed to can we block out the sun

01:15:47.480 for zero right yeah yeah right because it starts as that right

01:15:51.220 and then when you look at the dates as well it continues and continues and

01:15:55.760 continues all the way to like the 90s as well which we'll get to like nato

01:15:59.780 nato makes sense in 1960 doesn't really make sense in 2015

01:16:03.980 exactly yeah it's still here we're still living with it it's bigger and more

01:16:07.080 powerful than ever if anything so go ahead

01:16:08.820 it's all right um and in this article by the guy it was 23 years ago it's a long

01:16:12.940 time ago now um it says it was lunchtime on london's northern line deep

01:16:17.280 underground passengers were getting out on and off the tubes as normal two men

01:16:22.620 boarded a train at colliers wood in south london and as the train gathered speed

01:16:27.420 towards its next stop tooting broadway one of them got up from

01:16:31.180 his seat and dropped a small carton of face powder out the window

01:16:34.620 he could have been idly throwing away litter as the train sped on the carton

01:16:39.620 hit the tracks and burst out spewed millions of tiny spores which began to

01:16:44.800 spread throughout the dark tunnels dust swabs taken after three days and two

01:16:49.280 weeks showed that the spores had spread as far up the line as camden town

01:16:54.020 station in north london 10 miles away this really happened but the two men

01:16:59.400 weren't terrorists but government scientists and the spores weren't

01:17:03.120 anthrax spores but harmless microorganisms designed to mimic um is it

01:17:08.300 clandestine clandestine uh sabotage with anthrax

01:17:13.040 this was an official experiment in 1963 and it showed how easily saboteurs could

01:17:18.880 inflict a potential devastating attack on britain's capital

01:17:22.100 so you see to me as beau was saying that i mean this this could have been

01:17:26.000 something that they actually tried the fact that they were testing it out

01:17:28.540 to see what the results would be using armless stuff

01:17:32.440 i mean that's pretty reasonable to me and it says you want to test where your

01:17:36.540 weaknesses are don't you the trials were conducted without public knowledge or

01:17:40.620 consent raising ethical concerns about the use of civilians in military

01:17:44.420 experiments while the agents used were considered harmless at the time

01:17:49.140 later assessments suggested that individuals was with respiratory conditions

01:17:54.100 could have been adversely affected if exposed to sufficient quantities

01:17:58.480 so yeah there's some ethical considerations there as well

01:18:04.100 um this is a bizarre one the next one

01:18:07.560 um the spider web particle experiments i don't know if you guys have heard of

01:18:12.120 that um the experiments were a series of once again biological warfare trials

01:18:17.720 between 64 and 73 these experiments aimed to assess how biological agents could

01:18:24.040 disperse and persist in various environments particularly urban settings um in these

01:18:29.320 trials scientists attached harmless bacteria to the threads of spiders webs placed

01:18:35.600 inside boxes the objective was to study how these bacteria would survive and spread under different

01:18:41.520 environmental conditions by analyzing the dispersion patterns researchers sought to understand the

01:18:48.400 potential impact and these experiments were carried out in multiple locations across the uk

01:18:54.320 including london's west end southampton and swindon

01:18:58.400 these sites were chosen to represent diverse urban environments the tests were conducted without

01:19:11.840 public knowledge or consent exposing large populations to the bacterial simulants the bacteria used in

01:19:17.840 these experiments were considered harmless at the time once again however subsequent evaluations raised

01:19:24.000 serious concerns about the potential health risks especially for vulnerable individuals such as the elderly

01:19:29.520 or those with respiratory conditions again the secrecy surrounding these trials and the exposure of

01:19:35.840 unsuspecting civilians have led to ethical debates about and public outcry some families in the

01:19:41.920 affected areas have reported health issues including birth defects learning difficulties and others which they

01:19:48.800 believe may be linked to these experiments as well yeah it's not good um so port and down mentioned there too

01:19:57.600 yes and which goes on to the final or i guess number five which is the port and down human testing program

01:20:05.520 between 19 1940s and 1980s i when i heard you mention port and down the next thing i sort of smiled and i thought

01:20:12.960 because i hadn't really heard of this before so i was doing a lot of like digging about it and um

01:20:17.920 it's insane it's absolutely insane this entire thing it's our main research facility for yeah loads of

01:20:24.960 different things actually yeah um chemical biological nerve agent yeah stuff it's insane so what it is is a

01:20:34.160 wide-ranging why sorry a wide-ranging series of secret chemical and biological warfare experiments conducted

01:20:41.920 by the uk government at port and down the ministry of defense's science and technology laboratory in wiltshire

01:20:50.000 over four decades thousands of british servicemen and civilians were subjected to testing

01:20:56.240 often without informed consent port and down was central to britain's research into chemical and biological weapons

01:21:03.520 during and after world war ii the experiments were designed to test the effectiveness and

01:21:10.000 safety thresholds of chemical and biological agents develop defensive measures such as protective

01:21:16.320 equipment and antidotes and study how nerve agents like sarin vx and mustard gas affect the human body

01:21:26.240 participants were exposed to a range of dangerous substances such as sarin nerve agent mustard gas

01:21:33.120 cs gas or tear gas has any of you been tear gas before no nothing actually i've got have you i have

01:21:40.000 once in france during the le pen elections yeah i remember now you say that yeah you did a video

01:21:46.640 he was on that's it yeah i was uh obviously at the communists and all that were rioting even though they

01:21:52.240 won uh their election cycle and the police came out that's what they do yeah they love it and um yeah they

01:21:59.760 dispersed a load of tear gas and the police had taken away my equipment just before because they

01:22:05.200 were doing bag searches and they found obviously like gloves and like like eye coverings and you

01:22:12.160 know safety stuff and i didn't have a press pass at the time i'd left it at home stupidly and so i

01:22:19.360 couldn't prove that i was there on journalistic stuff so they have to take it away and i thought no i

01:22:24.240 won't be tear gassed and yeah i did and it is the worst thing ever or what well yeah it was horrible

01:22:30.880 like your your whole face just burns from like it feels like the inside and like you you just stream

01:22:37.600 of like i don't know tears and like the back of your throat it's like i can't explain it it's like

01:22:44.640 being burned at the back of your throat it's very horrible um don't do not recommend that is the

01:22:50.880 chemical process dialed down dialed down as much as possible so no one dies yeah or nearly no one

01:22:57.040 yeah and it makes you just want to get out there i mean for example i know a little bit about vx

01:23:01.680 yes that's something we developed at portland down and it's so insanely poisonous i mean a tiny tiny

01:23:07.200 amount can kill thousands and thousands and thousands of people a tiny amount it's one of

01:23:11.200 those things like building bigger and bigger nukes yes at some point we were like us and the americans

01:23:16.320 yeah uh were like should we stop developing yeah like we're going a bit too far we're pretty sure

01:23:22.080 the russians aren't doing this we're not losing a race for more and more poisonous nerve agents with

01:23:27.600 the russians so why are we why are we doing so i think vx was about as far as it went we were like

01:23:32.320 we can design and build make things that are more poisonous than this but maybe we just shouldn't

01:23:39.440 uh and yet it still exists still there there was other stuff like lsd uh part of mind control or

01:23:46.640 truth serum experiments obviously mk ultra you guys know about mk ultra and other hallucinogens um

01:23:54.000 irritants and incapacitating agents so around 20 000 servicemen were believed to have participated in

01:24:02.160 this over these decades most were told that they were helping um to develop cures or protective gear for the

01:24:09.120 battlefield but many did not fully understand the nature or risks of what they were being exposed to

01:24:15.200 um if we go to the next one even in some nuclear tests yeah the british um yeah put people relatively

01:24:23.760 close to it yeah to see what happened in the very early days talking the 1950s our first nuclear tests yeah

01:24:30.640 doesn't look good in hindsight does it no um this was a famous case um where a raf volunteer was only 20

01:24:42.080 years old this lad um in 53 ronald uh madison died after being exposed to sarin in a gas chamber in port and

01:24:51.520 down um and his death was initially covered up only decades later was ruled as a unlawful killing

01:24:58.880 at his second inquest in 2004 and i was reading oh man i was i was actually reading into this a

01:25:06.160 little bit more and like describing like his i'm not going to go through it obviously because it's you

01:25:11.840 know it's gruesome but what this lad poor lad went through like he thought he was just going to help

01:25:18.880 with like getting over like the flu or something it was some sort of you know um getting over some sort of

01:25:26.720 like disease or something and yeah they essentially poisoned him join the raf they said yeah serve

01:25:33.120 king and country see the world they said yeah yeah just sit inside this gas chamber real quick lad

01:25:39.200 yeah it's that's horrific i've not heard of this person before alfred thornhill not heard of

01:25:44.560 yeah before yeah um if we go to the next one so they did a an investigation into this operation antler

01:25:53.520 um it is just sad um but a bit more context they obviously did it wasn't just that they did lsd

01:26:01.840 experiments between the 50s and 60s we all know a bit about that uh in partnership with mi6 and it's

01:26:07.440 and inspired by us projects like mk ultra soldiers were giving lsd without knowing its effects to test

01:26:13.280 its potential use in interrogation and battlefield disorientation many participants reported long-term

01:26:20.000 psychological issues investigation investigation and looking into obviously investigation and public

01:26:25.280 scrutiny um this particular one operation antler antler they conducted a major investigation in the 90s

01:26:35.040 where thousands of documents were declassified showing the scale of the scale of the testing and how

01:26:41.440 much the government or the ministry of defense was doing um to its own subjects its own country

01:26:49.520 um several former participants filed lawsuits demanding acknowledgement and compensation and in 2006

01:26:58.000 um the mod issued a statement of regret oh thanks oh well that makes it all better and then they

01:27:05.360 began paying compensation to some of those affected

01:27:11.600 um so those are your five i do have a bonus if we do have time i don't think we do that's fine

01:27:19.360 we've got lads hour very no worries so mention it in passing though what is it i want to know what

01:27:23.120 it is just real quick real quickly uh for your homework lads yeah here's one for your homework next

01:27:28.160 one ref rainmakers operation cumulus where the uh british government conducted weather modifications

01:27:35.280 experiments in 1952 in august carried out by the raf and scientists from port and down as well

01:27:42.480 aiming to explore cloud seeding and artificial simulation of rain by dispersing substance into

01:27:48.560 clouds and um people have suspected uh very highly that it led to the floods in 1952 in limber

01:27:57.760 the limber floods that killed over 30 people uh i did a sub stack just to end it on that i did a

01:28:03.760 sub stack where i submitted freedom of information requests uh to find all the original data and they

01:28:10.560 gave it to me 262 pages and i put it all on my sub stack here which you can go and check out if you

01:28:17.120 like if you want to read in more detail uh it i'm surprised that they gave it but um yeah a lot of it is

01:28:23.920 all the old data that um norman baker the old liberal democrat mp was pressuring to release all of these

01:28:30.880 experiments back in the early 2000s so managed to retrieve it all back and i'd like to have a

01:28:36.080 conversation with him at some point because i don't know him um but i would like to get in touch so if

01:28:40.880 someone could get me a contact for him that would be very useful but that's it there you go and let's

01:28:46.560 move on to the video comments while we've got time harry you will doubtless by now have received

01:28:55.360 some owen jones books from amazon for no other reason than i think it would be a rather interesting

01:29:03.280 and hilarious series of book club episodes and maybe you could potentially rope carl into them as well

01:29:12.800 i'm apparently the office shit lib whisperer james o'brien odyssey oh yeah i don't think they've

01:29:20.240 arrived yet but i have been informed before this video comment that they should be coming soon uh

01:29:26.800 i wait with bated breath i can't wait to hear about owen jones whining that chavs are just misunderstood

01:29:33.440 no they're english wiggers that's what they are and they should be looked on with scorn

01:29:39.360 if you're a white dude in your 20s and 30s and you're like i can't stop reading about

01:29:42.480 world war ii it's coming bro like i'm not a republican right now but i can feel it it grows

01:29:50.720 i gotta fight it every day like a werewolf

01:29:57.920 i'll just be watching tv out of nowhere just ah why are black guys in every commercial

01:30:02.080 mermaids are white

01:30:06.560 very true very true indeed jay guillis was actually a history major oh was he really yeah

01:30:15.760 yeah i didn't know that um yeah yeah i like the guy he's really funny he's funny he is funny i enjoy

01:30:21.600 his inspired by um sam hyde i believe is he yeah have you seen the mds doing yes series two yeah

01:30:29.120 seriously i will be watching that yeah yeah looking forward to it really good video on the education

01:30:35.520 system guys i'm actually doing a longer response video on the grammar stuff because i understand that

01:30:40.720 really well but uh yeah you made a comment about how you were trying to reconstruct a lot of stuff

01:30:46.800 from books that were falling apart and i'm wondering if there's a project that is underway to

01:30:53.440 modernize those books like just take the full text and just republish them i wonder if there's an

01:31:00.800 effort to do that

01:31:06.480 well there is the webinar going on next thursday that you might be able to attend craig so hopefully

01:31:11.040 you can tune in for that one and uh yeah there are quite a few publishers that try and take older

01:31:15.440 books that are a bit out of print or maybe the copyrights fallen out of uh fallen out of them and

01:31:21.440 uh try and republish them so you might want to look into that because certainly there is a market

01:31:25.760 for it i can't wrap my head around camera canada is a strange place the majority of our territory is

01:31:30.480 still untamed frontier and majority of our population are good-natured but tough roughnecks to match and

01:31:35.360 because of the population dispersal we're still an extremely high trust society most people still

01:31:39.760 regard our state broadcaster the cbc as a source of divine objective truth keep in mind that the real

01:31:44.800 damage to our country has only really been done since 2020 and the broader population is indeed

01:31:49.280 starting to take notice albeit ever so slowly i get the feeling that most of the populations are

01:31:53.360 quietly waiting for social permission to notice the terrors that have inflicted upon us and

01:31:57.680 unfortunately it seems trump has set that back by about 20 years we had this video comment a few

01:32:03.040 days ago a week ago i don't know how and this one i'm sure and that one did we yeah oh okay well i

01:32:11.280 wasn't in all last week no no i'm not blaming you with with canada it is funny because i look at a map and

01:32:16.160 it's kind of unfathomable to me just how huge canada seems for how i don't know relatively

01:32:23.760 unimportant it can be on the world stage how resource rich it is how gigantic it is yeah and

01:32:29.920 and i imagine most of the bad stuff that's happened to canada has happened in the urban centers so

01:32:34.560 hopefully the rural canada hopefully is very nice another of my heroes is luvinte puerta an argentinian

01:32:40.480 engineer who at the age of 21 designing lead construction on la argentina inventing forward

01:32:44.720 the gas producing combustion system lempor exhaust and many minor detail improvements the result was

01:32:49.280 a locomotive with triple the thermal efficiency of anything of the time he dedicated his life to

01:32:53.040 developing second and third generation steam technology resulting in the construction of the

01:32:56.720 red devil his design doubling the power and reducing coal consumption by 30 percent effectively

01:33:01.360 tripling the locomotor's output for a given amount of fuel and despite being proven every time they

01:33:05.120 were put to steel puerta died with most of his ideas trapped on paper interesting

01:33:10.320 i like the train stuff you know like i'm slowly getting into it i've never really been that

01:33:17.040 watched thomas the tank engine when i was a kid but like beginning it's now beginning to i it's

01:33:22.320 like you're in your 30s now i know and it's starting to i haven't run a marathon i won't do that

01:33:27.120 it happens to all englishmen yeah alex masters that steam yes yes i've met i think i've met him

01:33:33.040 before he's been in the office plenty of time he's very very good yeah need to watch that good morning

01:33:38.560 lotus eaters finishing off the hike from last video comment with a climb to copper and malachite lakes

01:33:44.080 just after trout lake the grade takes a steep climb the creek you're following provides great

01:33:48.560 ambiance and in the clearings reveals an amazing waterfall further uphill the snow begins almost at

01:33:54.400 the top but the final push is grueling the bowl of snow covered mountains surrounding malachite lake was

01:33:59.920 amazing backtracking and heading over to copper lake afforded similar spectacular views and a

01:34:05.360 well-deserved break hope you all are doing well that's awesome absolutely beautiful there we go and

01:34:12.560 that's all of the video comments uh that's all the time that we've got for right now because we do have

01:34:18.400 uh lads hour in a little bit we might have to save rumble rents for another time one final thing to say

01:34:24.240 sliggerstone did accept that i was right about the megaton yields of the uh of the czar bomber

01:34:29.760 and brock castle bravo so so that that one beau's going to be dining off that one for a long while

01:34:35.680 now so thank you very much for joining us thank you for joining us lewis will you be joining us for

01:34:40.400 lads hour i will be excellent and where can the audience find you find me on twitter lewis brackpool

01:34:46.080 uh same again on substack same again on instagram and same again on youtube all right thank you very

01:34:51.760 much premium subscribers join us for lads hour and don't forget to sign up for the trivium and the webinar

01:34:56.720 take care

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 16, 2025

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