The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1168

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to podcast of the lotus eaters episode 1168 i'm joined by faraz and luca uh and

00:00:09.360 today we're going to be talking about uh joe biden's health the story has changed so if you're

00:00:14.080 an mpc you need to get the little chip changed because yeah it's been updated uh what have you

00:00:19.540 got you've got about american chinese trade war yes understanding the context behind it and why

00:00:24.500 it's happening and how far ahead china is in some industries right that'll be good um and what

00:00:30.180 reddit to terrorism is it yes one of honestly one of the strangest motivated terror attacks i've ever

00:00:35.980 read about or ever seen oh right okay yeah right well uh looking forward to that then so um

00:00:40.980 the point i wanted to make is that uh biden was never legitimate um if you remember this was the

00:00:47.920 story until not so long ago that he was uh what was it in 2024 at his last physical

00:00:54.540 we were told that he was a healthy active robust 81 year old male who remains fit to successfully

00:01:00.800 execute the duties of the presidency could any 81 year old truly be characterized as active and robust

00:01:09.720 never mind joe biden yes so i mean i'm not i'm not right i'm supposed to middle age now but

00:01:15.800 um i you you can be healthy for an 81 year old so so what i've what i found is that when people

00:01:21.140 ask me now how are you dan and i say good um my current definition of good would have been near

00:01:27.340 death if you would ask me when i was 25 and i felt like this but so your definitions do change with

00:01:33.500 time sure yes okay um but uh but yes more or less but anyway so the official narrative was that he

00:01:38.240 was in absolute perfect health and you would expect that because the american president is of course

00:01:42.760 going to get the very best medical treatment and of course he's surrounded by um top-tier doctors you

00:01:48.920 know this is this is clearly an individual who um knows basic biology like the back of her hands

00:01:54.520 um and in this particular case uh rachel levine not only is she a professor of medicine but also

00:02:01.580 psychiatry um so can spot any um mental infirmities yes you would have expected him to have a very good

00:02:09.940 grasp of health issues but uh apparently something slipped him by no idea what you're referring to

00:02:16.520 there but the the the broad point is um surrounded by um doctors uh and actually he he even had a

00:02:23.780 you know top doctor as his sort of personal uh presidential doctor right um you know who you

00:02:30.360 know so so he he probably received um the best medical care of basically anyone on earth right

00:02:37.720 you would think and you would expect the testing for him to be the most thorough in that exactly

00:02:42.080 expect the concern for someone of his age to be quite important and for all of the batteries of

00:02:49.300 tests standard and non-standard to have been done you would have expect them to gone to have gone beyond

00:02:54.160 what is the norm no expense spared all that kind of exactly exactly so we we can we can safely

00:02:59.940 establish that the man is in absolute top health um not only that but we know um from you know the

00:03:06.640 um all the people that were were speaking on his behalf um that he's genuinely hard to keep up

00:03:11.440 with um me uh what more can you tell us about the uh president's um health regime we hear he's

00:03:18.560 lifting weights what sort of weights is he lifting does he have a personal trainer and what happened

00:03:22.860 to his i don't know where this was going um but i'm intrigued by it um i i will say i have nothing

00:03:32.340 to read out on the president's uh genuinely private exercise regime uh but i can tell you

00:03:37.600 like a mischievous geriatric man yes exactly um you know not only that but um let's just just try a

00:03:47.460 little bit of this video is this going to work something or no let's find out does the president

00:03:54.360 have the stamina physically and mental detail oriented and focused i can testify because i've been working

00:04:00.180 very closely with this president for the past two years i've been knowing him for 30 years

00:04:03.660 and i'm telling you this guy's tough he's smart he's on his game joe biden has vision he has knowledge

00:04:09.940 he has a strategic thinker uh the president is focused he's detail oriented he's always thinking

00:04:17.920 about the big picture he's engaging he is capable he has an incredible record as president

00:04:23.680 and i'm often with him on foreign trips he's at the top of his game so he has

00:04:30.180 so clearly um absolutely no health issues with joe biden whatsoever none absolutely none um however

00:04:37.820 uh we have just learned um that um he had cancer apparently uh a form of cancer that takes a little

00:04:47.580 bit longer than uh january from january 20 till today a little bit longer than four months to

00:04:52.600 metastasize to this level yes um do you remember there was that um weird incident uh was it last

00:05:00.020 july where he was like he was coming back from las vegas or no he was going somewhere and they

00:05:04.600 diverted to a hospital in las vegas and the rooms were swirling that you know he was on the on death's

00:05:09.480 door um and we're expecting to hear more about it and it just it just disappeared that story it just

00:05:13.980 it just sort of you know it just sort of went it just hushed yes yes something odd is odd is going on

00:05:20.680 interesting timing that it's been announced now yes because uh jake tapper um is just about to

00:05:28.820 release a book um detailing his um mental decline which of course invokes a whole bunch of questions

00:05:35.800 that we'll be coming to about well who was actually running the country then all of this time who was

00:05:39.960 who was exercising the powers of the presidency not just the country the empire i mean well the empire

00:05:45.460 one is affected by who the american president very much you know people mental capacity very much

00:05:50.880 affected being a vassal so um you know it matters who the who the emperor is uh but anyway so jake

00:05:57.160 tapper um um he's basically saying that um that um his mental decline was covered up um by jake tapper

00:06:05.120 and other people by jill biden you mean no no no jake tapper oh jake tapper wrote the book yes yes

00:06:12.000 he he wrote the book about it's being covered up but jake tapper himself is also one of the people

00:06:16.220 who covered it up yes i could play many videos of him covering it up on the way yes you know it is

00:06:22.200 enough to make you think that maybe jake tapper should should you know just quit politics because

00:06:27.020 he's no good at it a transparent journalism instead yes a transparent tell-all book no doubt yes it's

00:06:33.060 incredible that he gets to profit both by covering it up and by exposing the cover-up it sort of shows you

00:06:40.600 the extent of patronage in the system so long as you're one of us tapper for those who don't know

00:06:45.600 is a cnn guy um he gets to get paid while saying biden is absolutely healthy there's nothing wrong

00:06:54.420 with biden everything's wonderful and he also gets to make a fantastic book deal saying ha ha we lied

00:07:00.080 to you all along um it's it's just incredible the extent of corruption and shamelessness i mean

00:07:04.820 after everything they put this old man through and now they're just throwing him under the bus

00:07:08.680 because it's it's time to do so because the political machine requires it i mean joe biden

00:07:13.400 even um let's play this uh samson joe biden even admitted it once yes why i and so damn many other

00:07:19.780 people i grew up have cancer and why can't for the longest time delaware had the highest cancer rate

00:07:25.700 in the nation i mean and of course you know being biden they just said oh um you know he he's um you

00:07:32.300 know he's misspoken yep because he was making gaffes all the time but you have to wonder well which of

00:07:36.680 them were gaffes and which of them weren't he doesn't have cancer it's just his dementia speaking

00:07:40.600 which he also doesn't have by the way yes exactly that um so you know we're now in the position

00:07:46.880 where um you know apparently um you know yes they covered up the dementia yes they covered up the

00:07:53.100 cancer but they were totally telling the truth about everything else i mean don't you trust them

00:07:58.720 isn't that how you establish trust yes the the the person that i um have have most contempt for in

00:08:06.440 all of this is is the person we can see on the screen and not the cat the um i have no contempt for

00:08:12.920 jill biden um what the hell was she doing i mean they they must have known for years

00:08:21.000 and she and she wanted the the perk so much that she put her husband through that

00:08:27.420 yep it's very sinister the more you think about the more yeah to go on with that charade

00:08:33.320 and to present him as capably as possible isn't she supposed to be a doctor as well i mean she

00:08:38.640 kept on that kind of doctor but she's oh she's doctor or pottery or something yeah something like

00:08:43.940 that she's a believe a doctor in education whose own thesis was written exceptionally badly

00:08:51.000 right if i remember correctly oh and for that she spent two years replying to people on twitter

00:08:55.920 chastising them for not using doctor jill biden i i believe so yes oh right okay well fair enough

00:09:03.000 um some other sad news actually um and this one's certainly no joking matter but um um scott adams did

00:09:10.200 the stream yesterday because i heard the news about joe and i thought okay well i'll cover that

00:09:15.680 on the podcast so i i stopped in to listen um what what scott adams um uh was saying i can play this

00:09:22.040 without sound uh don't check your stocks so um scott adams has sort of you know almost single-handedly

00:09:30.360 raised the bar for podcasters he's been doing an exceptional job over these past few years

00:09:34.540 and yesterday he he sadly admitted that he has the same kind of cancer as joe biden

00:09:39.220 um only in his case it is um you know he's had it longer and he doesn't expect to see out this

00:09:46.480 summer um i'm just yeah i'm just hearing that's really sad to hear yeah it's really upsetting i

00:09:53.420 mean um he's a great speaker scott and actually i just want to read you a little bit of what he said

00:09:58.080 off the cuff because it's you know it's great words um he said i realize that some of you uh this is

00:10:03.220 hitting hard because you're hearing it for the first time i have to say that everybody has to die

00:10:07.400 and as far as i know it's kind of civilized so you know about how long you have so you can put

00:10:12.060 your affairs together and make sure you've said your goodbyes and things all the things you need

00:10:15.240 to do um cancer is really painful like really really painful but it's also kind of good that

00:10:20.500 it gives you enough time while your brain is still working to wrap things up i can see in the comments

00:10:25.080 that some of you are having a hard time with this but remember nothing lasts forever

00:10:28.100 um great words um and uh i mean he raises an interesting point there that's worth thinking

00:10:34.940 about it he's he's saying i mean he's he's kind of saying that you know better cancer than something

00:10:39.780 that takes away your mind uh as painful as it is at least you can put your affairs in order

00:10:44.240 yeah um so that was sad um i've spoken to scott did a brokonomics with him absolutely lovely guy

00:10:50.440 um it's it's a real shame and you know he's been very brave um he's he's talked about lots of things

00:10:57.220 yes yeah yeah uh risk cancellation well i mean they've tried to cancel him many times

00:11:02.060 yep um uh but but yeah very very sad um and of course he part of what he did on that live stream

00:11:10.200 was talk about you know how it's a long duration illness yeah um it doesn't just sort of sneak up on

00:11:14.800 you in fact here's uh uh just just running the maths on how likely is it that in between that

00:11:22.300 last medical in july 2024 that we started with um and now how likely is it that it that the cancer

00:11:28.440 has got to this stage and the answer he comes back with is 0.0002 percent

00:11:34.040 yeah they knew and they decided to do it just for power it's yeah um absolutely

00:11:43.940 sinister yes sinister when you go back to the the 1960s when it comes to british politics as well

00:11:50.680 i think i'm right in stating that one of the reasons that harold wilson oh well it was the

00:11:54.680 70s by then but one of the reasons why harold wilson ended up resigning was because he had

00:11:59.160 quite early onset dementia yes and so even in an early stage that was well i'm no longer physically

00:12:06.880 capable of doing the job and it was seen as you're doing a duty to the nation you have to perform it to

00:12:12.220 the very best of ability and get out of the way right exactly right so i mean you you don't need

00:12:17.100 to be a master of logic to see that you know clearly they're lying about this um however if

00:12:23.260 you're not a master of logic and you'd like to be can i recommend our upcoming webinar on improving

00:12:28.380 your um logic um if if you follow this you'll better find a similar webinar we did on improving

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00:12:39.800 they've got a child they want to you know up level uh or whatever it is you're doing come and sign up

00:12:44.680 for the webinar so um i mean next i'll play you um this little clip um samson do you want to play

00:12:50.620 this in full this is worth listening to i think you're a you're an oncologist uh obviously uh

00:12:57.360 incredibly respected you you believe that it is likely i just for those just tuning in

00:13:05.440 you believe it is likely if this prostate cancer has spread to the bone that he could have had it

00:13:13.660 for up to a decade but certainly it's likely would it be fair to say it's likely to have had this uh for

00:13:22.020 at least uh several years oh more than several years you don't get uh prostate cancer yes again i just i

00:13:31.320 want to stop here so you're this is this is not speculation if you have prostate cancer that is

00:13:37.680 spread to the bone then he's most certainly you are saying had it when he was president of the united

00:13:44.060 states oh yeah he did not develop it in the last uh 100 200 days he had it while he was president he

00:13:52.400 probably had it at the start of his presidency um uh in 2021 um yes that uh i don't think there's any

00:14:01.100 disagreement about that big europe okay so just to point out what's going on here so first of all

00:14:07.560 this is msnbc which is democrat central yep um secondly this guy is not just um an oncologist speaking

00:14:14.980 um this is dr ezekiel emmanuel who not only is a sort of senior oncologist and senior fellow of

00:14:22.040 wherever it is he works out of um it's the brother to rob emmanuel who was obama's chief of staff

00:14:28.560 oh wow oh okay so so this is an all angles the democrats have decided this is the moment where

00:14:35.520 you know we put this old doddering old man who should have been you know sat in a lounge chair

00:14:41.460 with a blanket over his knees for the last five years after everything we put him through this is

00:14:44.980 the moment that the democratic machine throws him under the bus i mean i'm in awe of the cynicism

00:14:54.100 and of the cruelty that they would i mean this is obama's man through and through ram emmanuel and

00:15:02.760 his family these are fully obama people and there was never a great relationship between biden and obama

00:15:09.220 so for them to come out at this moment and just stab biden one last time before he's dead

00:15:19.380 um shows you a level of cruelty and a level of deliberateness we hid it all along we played you

00:15:27.460 haha he probably had it before he became president and now we are going to rub your noses in it

00:15:35.300 and tell you that there's nothing you can do about it and then when the legal stuff you're going to

00:15:40.260 discuss comes up they're going to say well it was all fine you shouldn't consider what we just said

00:15:44.600 it's sort of they choose a narrative and they throw it at you based purely on convenience

00:15:53.000 with absolute no respect for your integrity for your intellectual it's almost like a humiliation

00:15:59.020 ritual of everything they do yes yes not only are they humiliating the man that they've just put

00:16:03.540 through this but they're humiliating us that you know uh everything that you guys have been talking

00:16:08.080 about for i mean we were talking about joe's health and mental health for years yes and they

00:16:13.500 constantly attacked us i mean i remember um people in the in the in the press um section um you

00:16:19.520 know asking that press secretary questions about his health and um you know they would just be

00:16:23.620 mocked for asking a question yes health yes but then not only is it the health you know issue

00:16:29.020 the now double pronged health issue of both dementia and prostate cancer but if it is the case

00:16:35.780 as um the chap says there that actually there's a strong possibility that you know he had the

00:16:41.540 cancer before he actually became president yeah then they they fortified an election

00:16:49.020 for a cancer you know for someone with for basically a guy that they knew they could completely control

00:16:56.520 right like but just by controlling his meds presumably that was that was presumably we're

00:17:00.600 thinking here um i also want to come on to your point about the legal aspect of this

00:17:04.380 um because um you know of course biden used a hell of a lot of um executive orders um he he

00:17:13.760 appointed a lot of judges you know he did do a lot of things yes um and that all rests on the

00:17:19.620 signature of the president on on you know various documents and the question has always been well how

00:17:23.940 much was he aware of what's going on um i mean i'm going to focus here on the for example the power

00:17:29.880 to pardon yes and and sorry to have to do this to you guys but i'm going to put you on the spot with

00:17:35.020 an american civics test and you can play along with this at home and basically what i've done is i've

00:17:39.660 got two versions of article two article two section two clause one of the constitution the bit that

00:17:45.960 talks about the pardons and i've made a tiny tiny tweak to two versions and i want to see if your

00:17:52.800 american civics are good enough to spot the difference between the two so here's the verse first version

00:17:57.820 and it says the president shall have the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against

00:18:03.360 the united states except in cases of impeachment that's version one let's let's show you version

00:18:09.220 two and see if you can detect um why is why is it not scrolling let's try and scroll down on here we go

00:18:16.040 here's version two see if you can detect um whether this one is the litigious one um an auto pen that

00:18:23.760 may or may not have been in the same building as an illegitimate puppet president grant pardons in

00:18:28.560 advance to obviously guilty regime members before their crimes have even been established what do

00:18:34.620 you reckon luca i'm going to put you on the spot i'm going to go with number two no actually actually

00:18:41.420 it was number one wow yes wow but very subtle but no i'm addressing i'm addressing a serious point

00:18:47.740 here um this guy's been out of it for his presidential term i mean we don't know what

00:18:54.280 kind of treatment he was getting but any kind of cancer treatment even if it isn't chemo yes is

00:18:59.620 physically extremely taxing yes yes so and what was always suspected of dementia throughout his years

00:19:07.860 from 2019 from 2019 the stories were going around about him not being fully there uh the the last

00:19:14.920 gentleman dr emmanuel we listened to was saying that he could have conceivably had it in 2015 2016

00:19:20.240 when he was still vice president and now we know that okay the auto pen was used it it gets used

00:19:28.120 it's not well i mean the only one to use it i remember even early on his presidency that taking

00:19:33.280 the people were taking a look at his signatures like why is every signature identical yes which i mean

00:19:39.720 again the the use of the auto pen is a standard thing in a in the presidency he's not the first

00:19:46.800 one to use it he is the first one to use it while there is very good reason to suspect that he was

00:19:53.140 senile yeah so i so i think you told me before we came on that um george bush used it a bit and then

00:20:00.680 obama yes yes it had there is precedent for the use of the auto pen and i assume that but that that

00:20:07.680 president whoever it was at the time would have given authorization for the auto pen to be used

00:20:12.780 and that's where the crux of it that's the actual issue yes it's not the technicality okay the president

00:20:18.360 was too busy so he used a machine to do the signing for him fair enough there are some cases where this

00:20:23.380 has happened however while having genuine medical concerns that would have triggered article 25 the the

00:20:35.600 removal of the president due to incapacity and they didn't need him because they could sign without

00:20:39.940 him and they didn't need and he wouldn't have known so exactly right to say exactly well obama signed

00:20:45.480 this obama would say you know absolutely not he's intellectually there no matter what you think about

00:20:50.680 him uh same for bush same for trump with biden now it's a legitimate legal question and you saw that

00:20:59.760 for the pardons hunter biden's pardon was signed manually well i've got that actually so the one

00:21:06.980 that he did sign himself um the one that really mattered to him was was pardoning his son we don't

00:21:11.580 know what his son was pardoned for um but but he did get a legitimate pardon yep so hunter's biden is

00:21:19.640 is you know again did he sign something while he was mentally compromised because your signature

00:21:24.660 ballad if you're genuinely senile even if you do it by hand yes so so the questions there go beyond

00:21:30.900 the autopend they go into everything that is all they do and this is a legal hornet's nest i have

00:21:38.380 no idea what the legalese around oh and i think this needs and how this gets litigated that's the main

00:21:43.020 thing i'm driving at this needs to be pushed on um i mean fauci's pardon for example and a whole bunch

00:21:47.840 of other ones they're just void so so pursue it you know make something of it and then there's a

00:21:53.240 whole bunch of actions which you know what was the president even aware of are they legitimate are

00:21:59.020 they valid some thinking of the covid actions and now remember as part of that a lot of people didn't

00:22:04.460 get their cancer treatment both here uh both in the u.s and here in in some of the vassal states

00:22:10.520 people did not get their cancer treatment um which he is now going to get excellent treatment for i'd

00:22:15.260 imagine too late um but um you know a lot of people didn't um the j6s you know the appalling

00:22:21.300 things that happened to them including a number of them were denied cancer treatment in prison

00:22:25.200 and then when their families complained they were moved across the country so the family couldn't get

00:22:30.600 to them um you know disgusting things like that uh the ukraine war how legitimate was that was that

00:22:36.980 done by the deep state or staffers or or was it legitimate was it a legitimate way he wasn't a

00:22:41.520 illegitimate president but you know how much was he in control of that um bear in mind the u.s um

00:22:47.000 bombed the nato country they bombed germany taking out their um their pipeline stream yes um you know

00:22:52.920 the appointment of many um illegitimate judges um you know no less than you know this one uh who's

00:22:59.680 this is oh this is the supreme court one where they put up um justice chaniqua brown sugar jackson

00:23:05.820 um i believe that's the name um uh who just uh went uh eight to one did she not in a supreme court

00:23:12.620 decision regarding deporting a bunch of haitians and who's the base black guy on the um oh uh

00:23:19.900 clarence thomas clarence thomas i love clarence thomas's um because normally you don't criticize

00:23:25.460 another justice do you yes but he just writes scathing um you know answers to her nonsense

00:23:33.360 judgments i mean she's the one who said she couldn't say what a woman is because she isn't a

00:23:40.380 biologist in her confirmation hearing right so this is the level of ideologue that we're dealing

00:23:46.320 at here yes and in a way anything that she strongly disagrees with is probably good um so so

00:23:55.320 well she didn't know what a woman was couldn't she have asked that doctor that we showed earlier

00:23:58.780 rachel levin or something yeah but you know the key question for me is this um and it's a

00:24:04.480 legitimate question who was running the country under joe this is what we don't know was it was

00:24:08.420 it barack obama because he made unlike other presidents he maintained a residence in washington

00:24:12.820 yes was it jill biden was it the deep state was it a bunch of millennial staffers buzzing around him

00:24:18.480 who just basically did their own thing and pursued their own agendas you know it's very hard not all of

00:24:24.640 the above in different different settings i mean yes well sorry no please i interrupted no there was

00:24:30.580 complete chaos in this administration and that the personnel were constantly making bad decisions

00:24:35.400 people like jake sullivan and anthony blinken were constantly making absolutely reckless decisions about

00:24:41.060 everything yeah and then joe biden would get wheeled around and we'd be told that he's absolutely fine

00:24:46.140 and then they knew that he was extremely heavily medicated at least for for cancer treatment

00:24:52.400 um in addition to not being mentally there yeah and and now they're admitting that he wasn't there

00:24:59.220 now they're admitting that he was mentally not there they could easily use the timing of that

00:25:04.740 medication and its withdrawal and oh yes to control him completely if they didn't want him lucid for a

00:25:10.220 day they would easily have been able to do that and then sign whatever they damn well liked with that

00:25:14.640 auto pen of theirs remember all the days in the campaign and beyond the campaign where they would

00:25:18.420 basically call it a wrap by 9 a.m and sort of end all activity by 9 a.m and it was to prepare for

00:25:25.280 this or to prepare for that yes well yep well and also you know obviously you can't forget really

00:25:31.920 the final few weeks of his presidency where he announced that he wouldn't be running again it's

00:25:37.080 like well he did make that decision himself that came very uh unofficially from his ex account of all

00:25:44.080 that that that that smelt like a last minute um you know um coup inside the palace yes clearly the

00:25:51.420 original plan was um because they they would have known about this diagnosis the original plan was

00:25:56.520 that he would have been elected because he's more he would have been re-elected because he's more

00:26:00.240 popular and the other guy would have been assassinated or whatever they needed to do

00:26:03.800 and then about 100 days in he would drop out um he would suddenly discover cancer drop out and then she

00:26:08.880 would be installed as president yeah you know these people i mean it makes it strange that he was

00:26:15.700 fighting so hard to get re-elected because there was a point where he was going up against pelosi and

00:26:22.420 schumer and all of the other cast of characters uh and saying to them no no i'm going to run anyway

00:26:28.800 whether you like it or not yes yep he knew that he had cancer from that slip of tongue that he had

00:26:34.420 although did he remember afterwards we don't know um but he was holding on with everything that he

00:26:41.380 that he had and uh they decided to get rid of him and now they decided to humiliate him before he died

00:26:50.120 yep i mean my sinister it is my clear message is that this was the last presidency was a coup

00:26:57.960 from start to finish and and and donald trump if you're watching as i know you often do um people

00:27:03.040 need to go to jail for this this needs to be investigated those pardons need to be thrown out

00:27:07.620 you need to set um you know you need to set a standard here you need to go after these people

00:27:13.040 justice for joe exactly yeah um yeah justice for joe yeah um we've got a couple of um um comments

00:27:20.460 so um anti whatever your name is um high levels of pain meds can cause confusion tremors and all

00:27:29.640 sorts cruel and evil manipulation of a sick man quite uh sigilstone says obama was the first to use the

00:27:35.680 water pen while he wasn't even the country um open the floodgates uh josie says um joe's uh first

00:27:41.660 wife died and he had no problem using it for political gain um yeah yeah all all fair points

00:27:48.000 right um right that's a reducer yes i love the mouse thank you yes so talking a little bit about um

00:27:57.600 why is there a trade war in the first place um the thing to remember here is that the um the

00:28:08.200 situation for the united states when it comes to trade deficits is truly unprecedented and if you

00:28:13.840 looked at the trade deficit in manufactured goods which is really what matters more from a military

00:28:20.040 perspective than the export of just um natural resources or what have you um you can't be a

00:28:27.960 superpower if you don't have decent manufacturing you can be a saudi arabia with an enormous amount

00:28:34.480 of natural resources that you export and not be a superpower so in terms of manufactured goods

00:28:39.980 the trade deficit for the united states stood at 1.2 trillion and if you look at it from a historic

00:28:46.620 perspective this wasn't the case during the cold war and this wasn't the case uh in in in the 2000s

00:28:53.340 it really exploded with with china's entry into the wto which was a policy that was approved by both

00:29:01.120 republicans and democrats this was the consensus policy now the delusion behind it was that if the

00:29:07.760 west traded with china openly china would suddenly turn into a liberal democracy because there was no

00:29:14.680 respect for culture for tradition for civilization and for the fact that democracy is a very culturally

00:29:21.600 contingent phenomenon it isn't the norm anywhere in the world even in europe it had to be imposed

00:29:28.300 through two american wars during world war one and world war two in order to get it to stand up

00:29:33.760 so there was this sort of deliberate forgetting and the result of that was that the eu was able to

00:29:41.320 maintain a surplus in manufactured goods although it also went on a serious decline after the financial

00:29:47.420 crisis the americans they just kept on absorbing all of the exports of everybody else and um

00:29:55.240 if it helps that they can basically summon up funny money

00:29:58.800 it relied fundamentally on the printing of money yes it relied really on the um use of the american dollar

00:30:10.540 as a tool that allowed the american establishment to pursue a highly irresponsible trade policy

00:30:18.160 now things don't look as bad if you look at it in terms of total exports

00:30:22.060 but in terms of the export of manufactured goods

00:30:26.020 china is undoubtedly the leader

00:30:28.720 um the lead you know when you aggregate together the west it's not even close

00:30:35.820 when you aggregate the west together it looks a little bit better but in a one-to-one competition

00:30:42.500 it's almost three times the size of american exports and it ends up having an effect on everything else

00:30:50.340 because if you don't have a strong industrial base it erodes also your knowledge base

00:30:57.420 it erodes also your ability to uh build advanced things and to keep on developing

00:31:04.300 your industries um and this has helped make china incredibly rich

00:31:10.520 they have a trillion dollar trade surplus and it's just been growing

00:31:16.640 and it's just been constantly growing

00:31:19.360 so the american perspective china is getting rich at the expense of the americans

00:31:26.400 that's what's driving the trade war

00:31:28.900 the data supports this perspective

00:31:31.520 the bizarre thing is that americans are borrowing money from chinese peasants

00:31:36.980 so that they can buy cheap shit churned out by chinese peasants in factories

00:31:41.680 well doesn't quite make sense

00:31:43.200 this is a huge part of it um but i just want to focus a little bit here on the um on the components of manufacturing

00:31:54.160 okay so the dark red that you see in the center of these charts that's

00:31:59.840 that's that's china and the blue is the united states and the green is europe germany

00:32:06.800 and then the lighter reds are lighter red is japan and southeast asia

00:32:11.680 you can see that these are completely the dominant economies the rest of the world

00:32:15.280 really barely registers but you can also see that in computers and

00:32:20.320 electronics and whatnot the chinese have a massively dominant

00:32:23.920 position almost outdoing the west combined

00:32:28.400 you can see in chemicals that the lead that the chinese have

00:32:32.640 in all of the basic components that go into manufacturing

00:32:37.760 so the fabricated metals the minerals the things like that

00:32:41.680 the chinese are are enormously dominant and then in the machinery and equipment

00:32:47.520 the chinese are also dominant now why am i focusing on these industries

00:32:51.680 uh rather than say textiles or or food and whatever can i guess

00:32:55.840 because all those things you mentioned are things that go into a military

00:32:59.840 supply chain battleships and tanks and all the rest of it

00:33:02.640 absolutely absolutely so it's not just a dominance in some industries and some sectors

00:33:11.440 it's that the chinese capacity to build up an industrial machine

00:33:17.280 a military industrial machine is much higher than anybody else's

00:33:21.520 they're using this now mostly for civilian purposes and for civilian industry

00:33:26.320 fair enough but if you look at world war ii as an example it was car factories that

00:33:33.280 turned to the production of planes entered the production of tanks and so on

00:33:37.040 you need an industrial base in these things in the bread and butter manufacturing in the minerals in

00:33:45.760 the metals in the chemicals in the machines that you can then repurpose depending on need

00:33:53.920 for you to be able to survive in industrial warfare

00:33:56.880 well i understand there's a single chinese port that has turned out more ships in the last year

00:34:03.840 commercial ships than the u.s has since the end of the second world war now they are commercial

00:34:07.920 ships but nevertheless if you can make a commercial ship you can make a battleship

00:34:11.680 there's really no difference also it's not just um obviously the expansion of china's

00:34:16.880 own industrial base but they are doing that but also simultaneously they're trying to eradicate our

00:34:22.720 industrial base when it comes to things like you know the steelworks in scumthorpe which was bought

00:34:26.960 by the chinese parent i mean it helps that our governments cooperate oh of course yeah yes so this

00:34:33.280 is to your point about shipping the gross tonnage built every year and you see china there with 33

00:34:41.360 million gross tons of ships built every year that's just ships and you see south korea performing

00:34:49.280 admirably and japan but the rest of the world is at four million well the rest of the world is is germany

00:34:55.920 is uh france is britain is the united states and low-cost economies like india and all the rest of them

00:35:02.800 all of them all that's four million against what was just china alone again 33 million wow

00:35:09.440 33 million right if if there is a world war three i think i know i'm betting on now so the

00:35:15.920 total of the rest of the world is 32 million china is more than the rest of the world put together

00:35:23.120 so you you have to understand the sheer extent of backwardness that has infected the west and you

00:35:32.560 have to understand just how far behind in some of these things the west has fallen um it's really

00:35:40.480 important and it matters and if you want to understand the trade war and you want to understand

00:35:45.520 why it's happening it's not just about the american consumer it's not just about the american worker

00:35:51.760 there's a military story behind it then this is manufacturing value added this is how much so so value

00:36:00.400 add is you buy a piece of iron and you make it into a uh screw the difference in value is the value add

00:36:11.840 in manufacturing in simple terms so from buying raw iron to producing a final good you need to look at

00:36:20.080 this here to see how the world has been doing since 2004 and you see the european union and the united

00:36:27.040 states absolutely stagnating and you see japan stagnating and you only see china growing

00:36:35.680 yep all lines are flat apart from the chinese one pretty much pretty much and not just that

00:36:42.560 the lines are flat because of the chinese one right we're buying more manufactured goods we're consuming

00:36:51.360 more products but they aren't being made in the countries where they're being consumed they're

00:36:56.800 being made in china so when you want to understand okay so what's you know why is trump angry about

00:37:03.200 free trade it doesn't matter we can just import whatever guys you can't at some point trade deficits

00:37:09.520 catch up with you at some points you lose the technical know-how to make things and when you use lose that

00:37:17.360 know-how you see things like you're not building any ships you see things like the chinese are building

00:37:23.600 pretty much all of the drones um there's a graph that i'm looking for here i'll try to find it um you

00:37:29.920 see that the that the capability to compete is just gone so yes the americans are leading in military drones

00:37:37.840 uh but if the chinese wanted to switch from civilian to military which is what you do in a hot war

00:37:47.440 because it makes no sense to keep on stockpiling technology that gets obsolete what you want to

00:37:52.560 be able to do is to continuously upgrade your weaponry in combat based on what you're learning

00:38:00.640 and have a deeper and wider industrial base than the enemy this is how you win modern wars so so

00:38:06.480 callum formerly of his parish um was fond of a youtube video that did military um simulations

00:38:13.120 right um and and the key takeaway was that if you put enough drones up against any military system

00:38:20.000 enough drones will win if you've got enough of them yes and from the sounds of this china can turn out

00:38:25.920 hundreds of millions if it wants to there is perhaps a little bit more to it there is perhaps a

00:38:30.880 little bit more to it but yes um that's that that that makes sense um and when you look at things that

00:38:39.680 are pretty advanced like um uh microchips so the thing that everybody talks about is microchips you want

00:38:48.400 to use drones you have to use microchips they go into the drones and they act as the brain of it

00:38:53.520 and the projections there are pretty bad so this is japan and the united states uh now for the uh

00:39:01.600 advanced processes the uh the americans have 17 percent but the reality is you only need the matured

00:39:09.360 processes because a lot of the military stuff is still a little bit dumb it doesn't need to be as

00:39:14.640 sophisticated but even then the direction of travel is one where by 2027 the chinese overwhelm the market

00:39:22.880 i mean so just for anybody listening um the u.s goes from 17 market share down to five yes um and the

00:39:32.240 chinese go from six to 31 from six to 40 or from eight to 31 yes oh i see right yeah yeah so so um

00:39:41.600 it's just and then you have to look at taiwan that's the rest and if you look at the chinese naval exercises

00:39:49.520 which unfortunately i do um you see that the chinese are ready to besiege taiwan whenever they

00:39:56.160 want to now taiwan imports one million barrels of oil every day it has a decent stockpile of oil

00:40:02.080 lasting around three to six months their vulnerability is natural gas and they're turning

00:40:06.800 off their nuclear because that's what every brilliant military strategist does yes you turn off the nuclear

00:40:11.760 uh so if the chinese decide to cut off taiwan's oil and gas which they can easily do with their navy

00:40:18.640 especially given their ability to renew their navy constantly thanks to the massive overwhelming

00:40:25.120 advantage that they have in shipbuilding then you understand that they can besiege taiwan and take over

00:40:31.040 this capacity and that's where the most advanced processes are being built that's an interesting way

00:40:36.400 of doing it as well because if it's just okay we've got a trade dispute we're blockading them but

00:40:40.320 we're not actually firing any bullets or anything um is an american president going to authorize

00:40:46.720 employment against you chinese ships for that maybe i don't know maybe but even if he did the chinese

00:40:54.720 with their missiles they have the ability to knock out the ports of taiwan so okay you've reopened

00:41:02.000 the ports but there's nothing there um so taiwan still ends up in this situation and then okay

00:41:10.080 you're having to feed 40 million taiwanese who are not economically productive because their oil

00:41:14.880 refineries are gone their oil storage is gone their natural gas is gone and their power plants are gone

00:41:21.120 and their ports good luck it's not a winnable conflict realistically so when you think about taiwan you

00:41:27.200 have to think about it okay in five years time it is going to become part of china um so there is

00:41:35.520 this unrealism associated with the way the trade order currently exists there is this deep unrealism that

00:41:44.320 is associated with it um and you can see it with with any kind of drone technology i won't bore you any

00:41:51.360 further because i'm sensitive for time but then you want to think about robots and you want to

00:41:57.120 think about the uh number of manufacturing robots that are deployed there the chinese are behind a

00:42:06.160 little bit but if you look at the extent of their growth only the south koreans can compete

00:42:14.080 only the south koreans can compete well the south koreans gave up having children a long time

00:42:18.320 ago so as the chinese they absolutely need robots i mean put on put it this way um i think it's in

00:42:26.560 in 20 or 30 years they won't have enough young people just to look after the old people let alone do

00:42:33.440 anything else it's it's it's a miserable society i mean liberalism has really failed them because they

00:42:39.920 don't have anything culturally to deal with it um pretty soon the only people who will be having

00:42:47.840 babies in south korea are going to be christians and that's going to adjust everything about korea and

00:42:52.480 change how korea works but it's going to still come with a big population decline one way or another and

00:43:00.720 that means that their willingness to go to the war to war is lower but perhaps their cynicism when they

00:43:06.640 go to war is also higher and that if we are heading towards extinction anyway yes right there are options

00:43:14.960 there that weren't considered in a population that cares deeply for its children yes also if um as south

00:43:22.240 korea has recently been doing of course starting the uh experiment of mass immigration in order to

00:43:29.440 bolster its uh declining population then it's not going to obviously be still um inhabited by the

00:43:36.640 south koreans who feel that sense of continuity cultural weight and actually have a shared experience

00:43:43.840 being next door to china they'd be better off going extinct right and if they get them from pakistan

00:43:48.880 pakistan is china's biggest military ally so there's that you know kink in the plan but you

00:43:57.760 see that the rate of growth in the adoption of robots in china is insane oh yeah and you see that if this

00:44:04.480 continues and it's not just the rate it's also the volume you know because the the the the sheer

00:44:11.760 numbers involved the sheer size of it in china is is pretty insane they're behind the the

00:44:18.800 south korea and they're behind singapore but they're leading the developed world

00:44:24.720 and and they're far ahead of everybody else and you see consistently that the united states is not

00:44:30.960 really doing great and that the united states in part because of the reliance on massive amounts of

00:44:38.800 immigration has less of an incentive to automate and this is something that you have to think about

00:44:43.760 with automation uh and with immigration if you have a bit of a labor shortage one answer for it is

00:44:51.840 automation if you throw bodies at it you pave the way for a future civil civil war while reducing your

00:44:59.280 long-term industrial capacity so all of this ties together there is a there are real problems that

00:45:07.120 people who are in the liberal camp refuse to even admit to them being problems they refuse to acknowledge

00:45:13.920 that these these are real issues and they think just the money printer has been going better for a

00:45:19.360 long time why not a few more years uh we have it good now why should we worry about the future

00:45:28.240 and what i'm saying here is that when you look at any kind of data point relating to manufacturing

00:45:34.720 manufacturing and you can't have a modern society without modern manufacturing you have a very

00:45:39.280 serious problem a bit of anton grasshopper fable this yes um now if you look here at electricity demand

00:45:49.600 maybe not this one maybe this one is slightly better uh electric power consumption per capita

00:45:57.040 you see china rising very steadily and quickly you see the eu flatlining and you see the united states

00:46:06.880 flatlining now the united states has much higher electricity consumption in part because of things

00:46:12.320 like air conditioning which aren't the norm in europe fair enough um and with china there's higher

00:46:19.760 electricity consumption partly because living standards are improving fair enough but you can't

00:46:26.720 catch up in terms of robotics if you're not investing massively in electricity because robots consume

00:46:34.240 electricity so if your population is dwindling and you want to automate your way out of it and you

00:46:42.480 have a low population growth what you need to do is automate and electrify which should mean that your

00:46:51.280 per capita consumption of electricity should be increasing steadily but none of this is happening

00:46:59.360 none of this is happening in the west i mean i mean it's very much happening in china they're

00:47:03.040 they're bringing on gigawatts of they're bringing insane amounts and the reason their growth rate doesn't

00:47:09.520 look that high is because of the sheer volume you know right uh they're adding capacity to an already

00:47:16.720 large capacity but just in absolute terms uh a country like china is adding more demand in a year than

00:47:24.080 the whole consumption of the united kingdom whereas over here you know i'm constantly being hassled to

00:47:28.560 swap out my light bulbs for energy efficient my appliances for energy efficient installed a smart meter and

00:47:33.520 yet my electricity bill goes goes up 5x over the time period that i've been making all these energy

00:47:37.680 efficiency gains because you need there is no prosperity without cheap energy and energy prices

00:47:47.120 in china i should have included that chart are probably some of the cheapest in the world definitely

00:47:51.200 the cheapest in the advanced world oh and they just so happen to be growing like a weed and they happen to

00:47:55.440 be growing like a weed so the this is the reasoning behind the trade war what i wanted to explain wasn't

00:48:03.040 what happened most recently with tariffs what happened with this that or the other this isn't what i wanted

00:48:07.760 to explain what i wanted to explain is why is there a trade war is it right to have one and part of the

00:48:14.560 answer is well the chinese are waging a trade war against you um you haven't noticed it because money has been

00:48:24.160 been getting printed at an insane rate um i i had another link here maybe samsung can find it

00:48:30.640 where i was showing in which industries are the um are the chinese most advanced and the part of the

00:48:40.240 answer here is that pretty much everything it's it's it's really pretty much everything where the chinese

00:48:47.520 are commanding a massive lead where they are this is what i wanted to show where they're basically

00:48:54.160 far ahead in every industry that matters and with the ability to dominate the rest of the world

00:49:03.680 they've built uh an industrial ecosystem that focuses on everything from conductors to batteries to

00:49:12.960 robots to industrial machines to autonomous vehicles lidar is radar that sort of relies on on sound waves but for

00:49:21.360 light uh drones you obviously know the batteries go into the drones the industrial robots build the

00:49:28.640 drones the semiconductors and the ai enable you to build more and better drones etc etc so they've got

00:49:35.840 leading um manufacturers across the board and as i was saying at the beginning in the industries that count

00:49:45.680 the most uh optical communications uh optical communications undersea wireless communications

00:49:50.960 the chinese are close to having a monopoly position and in each of these industries you can just scroll

00:49:57.920 through this link it's it's from the multipolarity uh sub stack it's that absolutely excellent uh the

00:50:04.080 multipolarity guys are great um you see in advanced materials this is what you need to build stealth jets

00:50:12.480 this is what you need to uh have the right kind of coating on your tank or for for different defense

00:50:20.560 purposes in ai they're just leading the u.s is doing okay in some biotech stuff um in defense they're

00:50:31.440 only ahead in in small satellites and that's mainly thanks to elon musk the sort of the genius of one man

00:50:36.800 tipping the scales but across the board the west has decided to not just forego the jobs on the

00:50:47.840 industrial capacity but most importantly the knowledge and if you have a poor industrial base

00:50:55.280 and you don't have the right kind of technical skill in a shooting war you're not going to win

00:51:00.960 that's what i wanted to explain why is there a trade well on a fundamental basis the um the u.s

00:51:10.880 should be adopt a posture against china and fire a missile against china if it wants to where the

00:51:15.760 missile is not dependent on a chinese supply chain but at the moment at the moment they can't do that at

00:51:20.880 the moment they can't do it and the chinese are ahead they they they have the ability to build better

00:51:25.920 missiles and we saw that with india pakistan where the rafale jets were absolutely humiliated by chinese

00:51:35.440 4.5 generation jets so the older model using perhaps the export model of their anti-aircraft missile

00:51:44.000 not the most advanced one and the french got absolutely humiliated

00:51:48.000 so this has real uh there's a real problem here

00:51:56.480 that's why there's a trade war and that's why making a deal okay over what why do the chinese

00:52:04.880 want to make one and why do you want to make one i see why the us want to make one well they want to

00:52:10.080 change the settlement certainly definitely but why would the chinese accept their terms well they're

00:52:16.560 already winning yes yep shall we look at the comments here by all means by all means anything

00:52:24.080 that you want to read out there yeah sure um i don't know who bob hoskins is but i will check him

00:52:31.840 out and if he's someone you like maybe i'll invite him to my new podcast oh he's a great actor okay he

00:52:37.440 was a great actor he's a passed away now blessing oh so i'm he's okay you look very alive oh i i try i

00:52:44.240 try i'm looking forward to seeing how tofu drag armor stands up to american autocannons

00:52:51.200 and if chinese radar can detect an f-35 look um in terms of stealth it's not actually stealthy

00:53:01.040 you can still detect it and in terms of the performance of the weapons they were doing quite

00:53:07.520 well against the french um and the idea that the chinese don't have the capability and the skill

00:53:14.640 set to win that's a big assumption uh sigil stone 17 says there's a lot of misconceptions about us

00:53:22.560 manufacturing we make tons of stuff correct particularly advanced systems correct we also

00:53:27.520 consume those goods ourselves so it doesn't look like we're producing anything that's not correct

00:53:31.360 because i was looking at production not just exports it's still sharp um but equally importantly

00:53:38.080 um if you've lost the ability to make the smaller stuff you can't iterate and advance when things are

00:53:47.600 being tested in combat because that requires a much deeper skill set uh the hapsification china have

00:53:57.520 also been stealing technology for decades yes and now they're innovating their own we should do the

00:54:02.960 same to china and seal their technology to keep up um fair enough but then you can see how that puts

00:54:09.280 a dent in any plan to make a trade deal if both sides accept that they're doing it to steal from the

00:54:13.920 other what's there to make a deal over sigil stone 17 again china's factories are going up like tinder

00:54:22.160 boxes because they can't afford to pay their workers and suffer weekly revenge on society

00:54:27.280 trucks of peace i'm not worried about them one of us is okay uh all right then well so uh this

00:54:37.040 weekend past there was a terror attack in uh palm strings california and the more i read into this

00:54:46.000 terror attack the more it became one of the most peculiar tragic and farcical that i've ever seen so i

00:54:55.280 i didn't actually hear about this i'm hearing about this for the first time yes all right so i'll go

00:54:59.360 through the basic details of it first and then we'll talk about why it happened and what brought

00:55:03.440 it all about okay so the gentleman who gentleman being far too polite aren't i yes the terrorist who

00:55:12.080 committed this gentleman terrorist i'm sorry it's the englishness of me i apologize so uh

00:55:17.040 so uh call him an austere scholar are you no no

00:55:23.040 so um the terrorist's name was guy edward bartkus and he was 25 years old and as i say this happened

00:55:32.080 last saturday morning in california uh four were wounded in the attack and the only person actually

00:55:39.680 killed in the terror attack it's um itself was him okay well that's something i guess well actually

00:55:47.200 this was entirely by his design he wanted to go out like this he meant to die he meant 72 virgins or

00:55:53.920 something or no and this is what i mean by how peculiar the attack was there is nothing rather than as

00:56:00.720 you say um a theological you know islamic mullah or you know a jihadi terrorist this is quite the opposite

00:56:08.000 this is not a terror attack born out of theological metaphysics this is a terror attack born out of

00:56:15.760 dark resenting nihilism and the bitterness for life itself this is this is actually a war on right

00:56:24.720 excuse me a war on life and so because i mean i definitely wouldn't want to roll the dice on getting

00:56:29.680 72 virgins in california because they're certainly not going to be women they're all going to be

00:56:34.000 incels yes yes maybe pick a different state is there a state so that you prefer perhaps uh

00:56:43.680 right i i don't know bangkok or something actually you wouldn't find any there either i don't know

00:56:48.640 i'd have to think about that one yeah you have to think right yeah so um akil davis the fbi's

00:56:53.840 assistant director said that this was one of the largest bombing investigations we've had in

00:56:58.320 southern california and they added make no mistake this is an intentional act of terrorism this was

00:57:03.600 the um uh belief that was given quite soon after the attack and everything since obviously um in the

00:57:10.960 past few days has confirmed this so let's begin to talk a little bit about why this gentleman decided to

00:57:20.160 do what he what he did and why in particularly he chose an ivf clinic to attack okay so this come

00:57:30.160 this word ethelism comes straight from a one of the great philosophical beacons of the internet uh

00:57:39.440 which is reddit am i supposed to know what ethelism is no you're not and actually i sat in the office

00:57:45.520 earlier on like an absolute burke trying to figure out the philological root of what ethelism meant

00:57:52.880 and then it was explained to me very kindly by the independent that actually ethel is just of course

00:57:58.160 life spelt backwards and so it's right and so you see it's very clever because by turning the word

00:58:06.640 life back to front you become anti-life you want the reverse of life oh so it's just a democrat

00:58:16.560 i was going to go with demonic but okay well same difference i mean yes but it's interesting you

00:58:22.160 should say um democrat as well because this is very much this is this ethelism in particular and i

00:58:29.360 really want to stress this this is not just mere anti-natalism right this is actually this is not

00:58:38.960 um even though that is of course quite evil in itself and you know the sort of as you say the

00:58:45.360 the democrat abortion advocacy and all of these sorts of things yes that is of course you know

00:58:50.560 uh a moral evil however that fundamentally is concerning itself with uh well it pretends upon

00:58:59.040 uh consent and right to choose and all these sorts of things and really it's just about people making

00:59:05.120 informed decisions about whether or not they want to create new life this particular philosophy is

00:59:13.840 entirely concerned with eradicating present life also up here on earth right now does it

00:59:20.880 are they trying to eradicate just humans or all life i mean are they are they looking at the

00:59:25.120 sterilization of the planet so um he was a vegan right right he was a vegan so kill the humans keep

00:59:32.000 the animals yeah well honestly this is the thing so i read the or rather i listened to because uh he was

00:59:41.360 very very generous and left us uh half an hour uh manifesto so quickly in the veganism i'd rather

00:59:47.760 die than be a vegan as well yes so i can understand where he's coming from perhaps

00:59:54.000 but that was his that was his mistake wasn't it so one of the things is that so i listened um

01:00:00.240 to the manifesto yesterday purely because i i just uh enjoy spending my time listening to terrorist

01:00:07.360 manifestos it's just how i unwind at the end of the day and kiss tom if you're listening he does not mean

01:00:12.320 that it matters how i got into this business dripping dripping dripping with irony he said

01:00:20.720 so but i also pulled up and the thing is right so from the actual also one thing to say is that he had

01:00:26.960 a website that has since been taken down uh thankfully oh and also the ethelism reddit page

01:00:34.160 has now also been scrapped from the internet as well fortunately they shouldn't be allowed to do this

01:00:39.840 no and if somebody goes out and commits murder we should be able to evaluate what they think and why

01:00:46.560 they're doing it um it's it's it's it's a fundamental freedom to be able to understand the world i have

01:00:53.280 a right to know who's trying to murder me uh and why are they trying to do it maybe i agree with them

01:00:59.120 and i'm going to compromise yes and i'm going to say whatever's upsetting you i'm going to stop doing this

01:01:03.840 fair enough but if somebody wants to murder me i have the right to hear their case all right

01:01:08.800 uh yes it's insane that they get to just erase history as it is being written yeah and what's

01:01:18.720 significant as well um for us is that when you talk about people like that this particular subreddit

01:01:25.120 have 12 000 people which in the grand scheme of things like well 12 000 is yeah and the entire you

01:01:31.760 know population of humanity is not a big number but if you have 12 000 people who think like this and

01:01:38.560 that that's more powerful 12 000 blind followers i can take over a country right but it's not it's

01:01:45.120 not a subset of the whole population is a subset of democrats and and all the rest of them probably

01:01:49.280 just hadn't discovered the blog yet yeah potentially um yeah i mean just um it's a slight tangent but

01:01:57.520 there's a particular reddit as well uh just called child free and it has over 1.5 million members

01:02:05.120 right right on this reddit which to me is just incomprehensibly vile um personally but um that's

01:02:13.920 more of a tangent so i'll get back to what i was saying about if i just scroll this across so pro

01:02:21.120 mortalism because as i say the chap left a manifesto and i went through it now the first thing that has to

01:02:28.960 be said is that this chap really fancied himself to be quite the intellectual no sure right there are

01:02:35.600 there are two types of people in this world there are people who agree with him and stupid people

01:02:41.760 and this is of course always a good hallmark of a terrorist he would have he would have enjoyed

01:02:46.640 himself on twitter then yes yes not quite as much as i do because i quite i quite enjoyed the debate

01:02:53.280 actually but yes um so he also and one of the other things as well that he goes on to mention

01:03:01.520 is the fact that he hates consumerism right he hates consumerism he he even says that um he says so

01:03:11.280 the this is a quote he says so the reason i'm wanting to get out of this uh the f out of this whole

01:03:18.400 life game as he terms it is basically i guess it comes down to i'm not interested in being a life

01:03:25.360 addict right so i never really wanted to do this life drug and he goes on to talk about the fact that

01:03:32.800 basically he never consented to be alive and so because all life is unconsensual uh we therefore

01:03:39.920 need to wage war against life itself because it didn't come about by consent i mean if you cram enough

01:03:47.680 insane left-wing ideas into californian school children you're gonna get this aren't you yeah

01:03:54.080 there's um this argument has been constantly made by atheists even sort of medieval arab atheists

01:04:03.920 there was one poet arguing that um i i don't know what i've done for my parents to punish me with life

01:04:12.320 and i've refused to do this to anyone else and this has always been um a view that comes from the

01:04:20.480 nihilistic fringe which has always been with us that we're angry at humanity and god for having given us

01:04:28.880 a good thing called life it's the it's the spirit of the ingrate it's the spirit of the proud ingrate

01:04:37.040 this is why again this this this is a genuinely demonic way of looking at the world in that i'm

01:04:43.920 too good for this life i'm too proud for this life and pride being the the sort of original sin of the

01:04:49.280 devil um and life is a punishment that i must endure with absolutely no joy and extinguishing it is what's

01:04:58.000 good so this is a um this is a spiritual position that he's taken while claiming to be a materialist

01:05:08.080 i understand yes but also it goes back to his point that he rages against consumerism as it is

01:05:14.560 the de facto standard of life but seems to lack any appreciation for the fact that there have been ages

01:05:20.400 in civilizations where getting out of bed in the morning wasn't just linked to must consume right

01:05:26.000 actually people had but also you're free you're free to choose that life today if you want to

01:05:31.520 yeah go but he could just get he could have just gone and lived in nature right like one of those

01:05:37.760 youtubers who just makes the big log cabin just totally oh i love those videos right they're awesome

01:05:44.080 right and that would have instantly turned him from a terrorist into a chad but he decided not to do

01:05:49.040 that uh he decided not to do that and he says yeah to go back to your spiritual point for us is again he

01:05:54.560 says this this whole life thing is not intelligent design he basically says all life is circumstantial

01:06:01.680 we just happen to be in the right place of the universe we happen to you know and life just came

01:06:06.800 about by accident and even even if that were true and even if that were its case the idea that therefore you

01:06:14.640 could um gain no joy out of existence that you could you know when he talks about um consent right i didn't

01:06:23.520 consent to being alive well some of the greatest pleasures in life can arrive without consent

01:06:30.640 right i just realized that right develop that idea that that is interesting where were you about to

01:06:36.640 go well i was what i was going to go with is like you don't consent to meeting strangers in public

01:06:42.320 and yet you oh i i see okay that's not okay

01:06:44.640 you don't consent to uh to meeting strangers in public and yet somehow they can spawn the most

01:06:49.840 remarkable friendships and can create you know okay friends for your entire life or you might not

01:06:54.320 consent to what you get put on your plate when you come home from work and your wife's made you

01:06:58.800 or your girlfriend's made you dinner or whatever and you'd be like oh my god this is a great dish

01:07:02.560 yeah then you know like so many things in life yes uh because joy so much joy can be found in

01:07:08.560 spontaneity yes it's get your head out the gutter i mean what a win for phrasing

01:07:17.680 day two on the job listen um but look the the um the point that i want to make is that for a lot

01:07:25.600 of atheists the there's this problem of evil that uh they use to justify atheism but there's just as

01:07:33.520 equally a problem of good as in if the universe is random and sort of there's nothing to it and

01:07:39.280 what have you why is there so much good in it right why is why do we have an innate sense of good

01:07:44.400 so this guy had some sense of good that then got completely perverted and directed in a way that

01:07:51.920 made him hate everything because the only good can come from rational consent as though we were

01:07:58.240 reasonable creatures if if you were if you were rational about your family you would be an evil

01:08:03.840 human being if you're completely logical about how you loved your children and how you loved your

01:08:08.720 wife and there wasn't an element of your love that was fundamentally irrational and that was truly

01:08:14.560 committed you would be horrific human being and so the poverty of the education that someone this young

01:08:22.400 must have received and the poverty of life in general that he must have been in to hit for him

01:08:27.760 to think this way um well it sounds that's hard he was given the usual mishmash of left-wing liberal

01:08:34.720 ideas and the poor sort actually believed most of them yes he mentions in the manifesto that he has

01:08:41.040 thought this way since a very very early age since before he could even actually begin to articulate

01:08:47.440 he's not thought it he's been indoctrinated yes and when he was three years old when he started

01:08:52.720 receiving this shit he wasn't thinking it through somebody was telling it to him yeah and especially

01:08:57.760 if you're growing up in california of all places the height of material hedonism yes uh then of course

01:09:04.240 it's only going to exacerbate the problem yeah and then another thing that he goes on to say is that

01:09:09.360 i i see life as a kind of slavery to a dna molecule which i just thought was

01:09:16.400 reddit tier yeah that is a reddit tier quote right that's the ultimate reddit that is just

01:09:23.440 you know the the meat of the big brain and he's sitting on the brain and everything on the throne

01:09:28.960 of brain just it's it's it's it's really it's embarrassing man all he needs all he needed was

01:09:36.400 one sensible male teacher once in his life to clip him around the back of the head and say don't be such

01:09:40.480 a twat yes yeah all he would have taken now there's some beautiful quotes there could you could

01:09:45.600 could you could you read them yeah okay well i'll go through more please i actually wanted to um but

01:09:50.240 before i did that i actually just wanted to press on the the ivf thing right the fact that he actually

01:09:56.880 chose to to attack a uh to bomb an ivf clinic and also another thing to say was that he actually meant

01:10:05.360 to film the bombing right uh which didn't quite happen as he intended to because i think that the

01:10:10.880 camera was caught in the explosion um so there's a there's a four lions-esque uh quality to this

01:10:18.160 which is why i mentioned the fact that it was all a bit farcical at the beginning right yeah so but

01:10:23.120 there is regards to the ivf matter it's the fact that he looked upon ivf treatment with such cynicism and

01:10:31.280 such disdain for the fact that well these scumbags have not been able to have children

01:10:36.640 um you know without ivf intervention and have therefore thought about it so much wanted to

01:10:43.760 bring children into the world uh through ivf and then therefore it's it's a third it's a further

01:10:51.120 level of stupidity because you went the extra mile to bring life into the world and what i just find so

01:10:58.640 disgusting about this view is obviously it's not an experience that i've had but i've i've heard stories

01:11:04.720 of you know all uh couples parents whoever it may be that have desperately you know that have spent

01:11:11.120 years in anguish and sorrow over the fact that they've not been able to have a child right and so

01:11:17.600 when he's there talking about the fact that all of this uh you know uh life is um life is cruel and

01:11:25.120 harsh and bitter and really he even goes on if you want me to read one of those quotes he says

01:11:29.600 that um where was it here it says something sorry yes the the default is deprivation you're being whipped

01:11:39.760 constantly and the most you can hope for is not being whipped right that was his view no actually

01:11:46.000 the ivf treatment and the ability to allow uh that couple to conceive would have brought a joy to them

01:11:53.600 an immeasurable joy an immeasurable belief and gladness so it's a hatred of the deliberate creation

01:12:00.960 of life i have my problems with ivf for different reasons but it's a problem with wanting his problem

01:12:07.760 is with people who want life he doesn't understand ivf in full he thinks that it's just about that

01:12:14.080 um and he's excited about he's he's he's animated by people wanting life so much that they would go out of

01:12:21.360 their way to create it and he thinks that in particular is evil yeah no it's it's absolutely

01:12:31.680 to use a colloquial term from my my way it's absolutely barmy this guy watched the marvel

01:12:38.320 rubbish and thought that thanos was the good guy and that he was brilliant for seeing that he was the

01:12:42.880 good guy no i don't think so it's because he because he talks about um uh again quite the opposite

01:12:49.840 because even to go to the cinema right is a material act oh yeah right and and one of the

01:12:55.440 things that he says is the fact in the manifesto is he talks about the fact that he just hated being

01:13:01.200 invited to things going to social events it's like like everything in life is just some sort of

01:13:07.760 addictive drug to keep you going through it right and sad but what a maladjusted human being was he

01:13:15.520 having an allergic reaction to dopamine or something i i couldn't answer that question for

01:13:20.320 you i'm afraid i think he perverted himself into getting his dopamine from hatred i i think he's

01:13:26.800 simply thought of himself as so far above everybody again pride um that everything must be destroyed

01:13:35.520 because it's not good enough for me it's it's the it's it's the sort of complete disregard of any kind

01:13:43.280 of love it's the hatred of love really these people want to love a child therefore i hate them

01:13:50.480 um people love life therefore i hate them people love to hang out with each other therefore i hate

01:13:55.840 them it's just a very depraved demonic hatred of life i kind of want to take a look at his parents now

01:14:03.120 parents and his teachers yes i i did actually look to find them but um i don't think they've revealed

01:14:09.280 well i could have perhaps digged a little further but uh nonetheless i felt like we had uh enough

01:14:14.080 here but within the manifesto itself of course there are a whole slew of contradictions you know

01:14:20.720 in the sense that he he rages against the fact that we live in an imperfect world but then feels trapped

01:14:26.720 by the fact that there's no perfect way to end his life right like he what he's he's looking for the

01:14:33.760 perfect way to end his life and he wants perfection for himself he wants yes but he's angry at the

01:14:39.040 world for not having it yes and he also stresses the importance of the fact that all life is

01:14:44.480 unconsensual and therefore he must pure he must obviously be some sort of purist somebody when it

01:14:51.040 comes to when it comes to consent but those four people who were wounded in the bombing didn't consent

01:14:56.480 to being bombed that day did they and i'm really curious now what his perfect form of death was if you

01:15:01.600 put all this thought into it you know what what does spending years and years thinking about this

01:15:05.360 get you what he did i assume with the means at his disposal what i have in mind is the final scene

01:15:11.360 of dr strangelove like if riding on the back of a nuclear bomb and sort of oh right it must have

01:15:18.960 been yeah so yes what he expected for himself so really you know there's no other way to put this

01:15:24.960 this was a man devoid of logic he had absolutely no sense of logic but fortunately you don't have

01:15:32.000 to be one of those people because nicely done sir because we have here a seminar between carl and

01:15:41.600 dr neiman parvini the academic agent who has constructed the trivium of classical education

01:15:48.480 uh foundations of writing logic and rhetoric and i do believe that this uh is a seminar isn't it that's

01:15:55.360 going to be on thursday at seven o'clock yep so there you are if you want to if you want to learn

01:16:00.240 how to be logical and not go and blow up an ivf clinic you can go and join this seminar and prevent

01:16:06.400 yourself from i think it's a bit broader than that but yeah that's a bit of a low bar well i was i was

01:16:12.400 trying to think of it illogically uh and so but really and this was the final kicker to this entire

01:16:19.200 story because actually within and then so okay you have to ask yourself okay well if he believes all

01:16:26.560 this monstrous ridiculous as it is then why now why did he choose now of all times at the age of 25 to do

01:16:36.800 this and the fact of the matter is there is actually quite a concrete answer to this question

01:16:42.640 because although i couldn't get the exact quote up because um it was done on a faq on his website

01:16:51.120 which has now been taken down and so therefore i couldn't access it the fact of the matter is that

01:16:56.400 he seemed to have a friend and this friend's name was sophie tinney and she died on april the 20th

01:17:07.040 at the age of 27 in fox island washington and when i say died what to be more specific about it i

01:17:17.040 actually mean is that she seems to have been quite as deranged as he was and asked her boyfriend to

01:17:24.880 uh shoot her through the head while she was sleeping

01:17:33.040 right yes so there seems to have been something of a suicide pact here in fact and when the the

01:17:40.320 boyfriend did that to her he wasn't long for this world but you can understand this is one of the most

01:17:46.640 absurd things i've ever looked into like everything about this is demented to the extreme

01:17:54.880 so he was clearly emotionally attached to a woman who had a different boyfriend than him

01:18:02.400 she was mental and had her boyfriend kill her and then he went and took it out in a range about

01:18:10.640 against people who want to have children seems to be the case

01:18:15.200 i mean there are layers here firstly that nobody explained to him that look if a woman is involved

01:18:22.960 with someone else you should just lose interest yes um then this sort of confusion of love and death

01:18:32.480 uh then this hatred of life that they must have shared that he must have shared with her

01:18:37.760 the fact that she wasn't sincere enough about it to be with him rather than with someone else

01:18:45.040 the tragic possibility that together they could have been happy if they were slightly better people

01:18:50.720 and the fact that it ended this way with them

01:18:54.560 just needless destruction of life i mean the the extent of um anger with god the anger with creation

01:19:03.360 the anger with life itself it's it's really scary and it is all a product of modern liberalism

01:19:11.440 you have to contrast these things you have to think if i say i love my country more than i love other

01:19:18.080 countries that's evil but if i adopt an ideology that sort of rejects life as a premise and rejects

01:19:26.320 good as a premise even if i don't follow these acts that's acceptable so there is these there are

01:19:33.440 these inversions that we're constantly being subjected to the sort of mental chaos that we're made to

01:19:40.160 navigate our way through and the younger generation is much more vulnerable to it

01:19:46.720 because the children's art that they consume is worse because the parenting is worse and it's all

01:19:51.920 about consent right because there's no values involved and then you're surprised when you get

01:19:56.320 this kind of lunacy it's the whole thing is deeply sad and tragic every element of it it is it's deeply

01:20:04.320 tragic that horrific but how how did he finish himself off and what did he do well yes he um he died in

01:20:11.440 the explosion at the ivf clinic but but i mean how did that work best or or what was it uh no i don't

01:20:18.080 believe i believe uh that the explosion came from his car from what i could which was parked next to

01:20:23.760 it from what i could determine he was in the car yes right so the the thing is as well right that

01:20:31.760 yeah okay so we didn't consent to being here if that is the case but you know what i wouldn't take

01:20:39.200 yes some years have been better than others for me but i wouldn't take back a single year of my life

01:20:45.120 i just feel like being here is the greatest privilege you know better to be a part of the

01:20:50.960 world but never experience it even though you'd never know what you missed right it's it's a true

01:20:56.880 joy it's a tremendous privilege it is a tremendous privilege to to be here and so i thought that i'd round

01:21:03.040 off not on this man who wanted so much attention and i was loathe to give it to him but rather to just go

01:21:13.040 and forward you to carl speech from the natalist conference in america um because fundamentally

01:21:22.240 these are the sorts of voices that should be prevailing in this world no it is good to have

01:21:28.480 children it is good to create new life and it is good to seek out actively the joys of humanity

01:21:36.720 because there are fundamentally so many absolutely so okay very good thank you um

01:21:46.400 do we have any video comments shall i read the uh oh you're sure yeah yes uh so uh for one dollar uh

01:21:53.680 the hapsification says one more positive news uh tommy robson robinson is going to be freed

01:22:00.080 yes i just heard about those do we know when this is going to happen uh next week i think

01:22:04.000 that'll be covered on the podcast tomorrow yeah excellent okay uh so for uh two dollars uh

01:22:10.080 siglestone 17 says uh you uh got to give him credit for skimming himself out of the gene pool instead of

01:22:16.880 being bitchy on the internet 24 7 like the rest of his cohort i'd rather be bitchy on the internet to

01:22:23.360 be honest with you he actually managed to do plenty of both uh in his time uh one dollar thank you from

01:22:29.840 uh an hedonist uh yeah bad bad timing for your name to come off after that segment uh best worst

01:22:38.320 phrasing of all time that is getting clipped for sure oh god uh again uh two dollars that petition to

01:22:48.320 replace luca with the cardboard cutout of the giga chat he will still be doing it was very kind thank you

01:22:55.200 siglestone uh ethelism from alan trusk uh two dollars thank you uh ethelism was invented by youtuber

01:23:03.760 amendum uh who was active in the atheist community in the early 2010s it is atheism much to answer for

01:23:12.560 uh right we might be coming up on time all right we should we do some of the um video comments and

01:23:17.200 then uh we see we've got something to compare thank you hey guys um yeah sounds awesome this uh

01:23:24.800 webinar that you're doing but and i'd love to join but at the time it's on it's four in the morning

01:23:32.720 where i am and yeah i can't get up that early i'm sorry i really can't swing that far but check out

01:23:41.680 my response to your grammar stuff from last week okay so two points craig one show some

01:23:47.760 bloody commitment and get up early two you can actually watch the v1 on on the page so you can

01:23:53.120 just you can just watch it later any any any more okay all right um we do it we do a couple from uh

01:24:03.760 subscribers then um simon simon says uh the dems were probably hoping biden would pass on during his

01:24:09.760 term so that harris could step into the role uh yes very likely um uh matt urine um can't be matthew

01:24:19.040 and can it okay well um the question is what are the odds biden had it before we ran in 2020 very

01:24:25.120 high high i i believe oh my my my donut salesman um thingle scotty of swindon says uh to quote the

01:24:33.680 babylon b biden uses an auto pen to sign do not resuscitate do not resuscitate order uh uh

01:24:40.960 yes um uh i'll do another one um uh but who was running things for biden well that is the key

01:24:48.320 question isn't it uh says uh brandy uh bloomfield uh during biden's term we thought it might be obama

01:24:53.360 but then obama was in office and reviewed him as a puppet also he was obviously a junior politician

01:24:58.080 from no experience did he graduate to be the puppet master yeah well exactly i mean that who the hell

01:25:02.720 was running it that's a real promotion uh yes this is this entire time um do you want to read something

01:25:09.200 from yours yeah sure uh az desert rat says one of the biggest things that the us will have in case war

01:25:16.720 breaks out is the skilled laborers to build the ships tanks etc uh the biggest things that the us will

01:25:22.560 not have i was assuming there's just a massive shortage of skilled laborers in the united states that's

01:25:27.120 exactly it if you outsource the manufacturing the labor atrophies and the the skills are lost this

01:25:32.720 is absolutely correct uh kevin fox says you also have to understand that if the uh poo hits the fan

01:25:39.920 china will take japan and south korea within days and will do so with minimal damage to the uh

01:25:46.000 industries so their production facilities will only grow add to that the fact that europe now has

01:25:51.200 virtually no heavy industry after years of farming it out to china and india on the premise of net zero and

01:25:55.920 we are stuffed that is partly true there is still a good degree of industry i'm not convinced they

01:26:02.080 can take south korea and japan that easily especially japan but these are real concerns and they can do

01:26:07.360 enormous damage to these countries and their these countries ability to retaliate isn't great i mean

01:26:12.960 the japanese have the third largest navy i believe after china and the united states and and it's quite

01:26:19.520 high-tech and advanced and they're in the process of rearming they're in a okay position to do it

01:26:25.840 they're not they're not easy to handle i would say but also they are obviously being brought to the knees

01:26:31.840 again by their own demographic collapse and well all of east asia is being brought down to the knees by

01:26:36.640 demographic collapse the the east asian reaction to the uh liberal system has been very severe yeah

01:26:44.720 alpha of the beta says china has gained a great technological advantage by investing nothing in

01:26:51.760 research and development correct while putting all its eggs in the industrial espionage market

01:26:57.120 and this could have been seen this could have been foreseen if the leaders of the west were less

01:27:03.280 arrogant and understood that people of a different culture are naturally your competitors they would

01:27:10.160 not have gotten themselves into this mess but they assume that all of humanity are just a bunch of

01:27:15.440 economic cogs and that's all they care about and they're all interchangeable so it's the the logic

01:27:21.200 that's driving offshoring is the same logic that's driving immigration it's the same mindset animating both

01:27:29.120 and it has zero respect for humans and human nature um from samson needs the trivium no he doesn't

01:27:37.040 samson's brilliant everybody uh well maybe we all do actually yeah fair enough automation or

01:27:42.320 immigration pick one because you can't have both correct europe has picked the latter and is now going

01:27:47.600 to shi t correct perhaps america has the opportunity to learn and pick automation we'll see this is the

01:27:56.080 battle that's being fought um over both immigration and uh reshoring of industry kurt says with china being

01:28:05.280 classified as a developing nation all of their shipping is subsidized by the rest of the world

01:28:09.280 yeah the the whole mindlessness about these rules and about how china and india are treated as though

01:28:14.720 they were um they were children as opposed to civilizations older than the west in some cases

01:28:20.240 that's just insane someone online says installed a smart meter dan why did you make your heating

01:28:26.800 vulnerable to being hacked and or remotely turned off uh well i said i was pressured to do it i did it

01:28:33.360 yeah uh right uh so for comments from mine i've got uh then scotty of swindon uh this is a ridiculous

01:28:41.840 mentality because only the living can consent and if there is no god there is no design nor purpose to

01:28:48.560 your existence and so your genesis was not a matter of uh yeah was not a matter of consent or not

01:28:55.200 you cannot consent to something when you did not exist before not only because you have no existence

01:29:01.280 from which uh you uh which your consent uh could be drawn or referred to but also because uh it's

01:29:08.800 literally impossible to get uh consent from not being alive yes he um can't be done for biden uh

01:29:16.880 yes yes uh very good points very sorry scotty uh the manifesto did actually say that you'd say that

01:29:23.200 so checkmate i guess but uh otherwise you're quite right uh based ape says people don't have

01:29:29.600 ideas ideas have people almost no ideas people hold come from their brain and the likely ancient

01:29:36.080 ideas that possess you not the other way around i think there's something to think in there yes and

01:29:43.360 no i have a problem with it but i can't articulate it now well we're we're in the final minute so i'll

01:29:49.120 i'll let it go too yeah and then uh an honorable mention i see uh from biggie bigfoot i just wanted

01:29:56.640 to congratulate firas and luca for joining load seats as a full-time host i can't wait to see what

01:30:01.520 content you both produce for the website thank you very much it's greatly appreciated thank you

01:30:06.640 excellent well thank you for being excellent co-hosts um thank you for being um well some of you i'm sure

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 20, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1168

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