The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1169

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the podcast, the Lotus Eaters, for the 21st of May 2025.

00:00:05.240 I'm joined by Stephen and Harry, and we're about half an hour late because we're having massive technical issues

00:00:09.720 that just resolved themselves for some reason, even though we didn't do anything differently.

00:00:14.040 So our apologies on that. Of course, we'll go to the extra half hour.

00:00:17.920 So today we're going to be talking about the absolute housing grift that is the United Kingdom, the UK,

00:00:23.960 and how much it's costing us, and it's unbelievable.

00:00:27.360 We had the dissident right piercing the Westminster bubble by Charlie Downs earlier, which was fantastic,

00:00:34.640 and we're going to find out just how brutal our police are.

00:00:37.560 So without any further ado, let's go.

00:00:40.740 Alright, so by now, many of you will have probably seen this clip that went a little bit viral

00:00:45.720 from Patrick Christie's time in Calais, where he released this last week on GB News.

00:00:52.040 This was the clip that really went viral when he was speaking in this little encampment in Calais

00:00:58.220 that was supposedly a no-go zone. He shows you all around in these videos that he did here and here.

00:01:04.760 He shows you all around the encampment, the sorts of things that these people were doing.

00:01:09.480 People started throwing things at him. The entire place was covered in rubbish,

00:01:13.280 and these are all people who want desperately to get over to our country.

00:01:17.740 And he began asking them questions.

00:01:19.780 He said...

00:01:20.620 Not questions.

00:01:21.500 Which is... I know, that's a terrible, terrible thing to do.

00:01:23.440 That's the worst thing to do.

00:01:24.680 He started asking them questions.

00:01:26.100 It's especially bad when sometimes you wonder if they can even understand what you're asking.

00:01:31.000 Certainly they wonder why you're asking, because they get a bit sketchy.

00:01:34.900 They go like, you're not supposed to be asking me this.

00:01:37.420 I'm just supposed to be getting free stuff, bro.

00:01:39.240 Such a grift.

00:01:41.260 Like one of them, this guy, he flags down somebody.

00:01:45.620 He asks, you know, why is it you're coming here?

00:01:48.220 And let's hear this guy's answer before we go to the big one.

00:01:51.020 Come and talk to me, talk to me, talk to me.

00:01:52.900 Where are you from?

00:01:53.600 Very small, from Sudan.

00:01:55.000 You're from Sudan?

00:01:55.640 Yeah.

00:01:55.900 I speak to a lot of people from Sudan here.

00:01:58.700 So, do you want to come to Britain, England?

00:02:02.040 You want to go to England?

00:02:03.520 Yeah.

00:02:04.140 Okay, why?

00:02:05.720 England is dream.

00:02:07.200 Why?

00:02:07.520 So, Sudan is war.

00:02:11.440 England is no war.

00:02:12.340 I understand.

00:02:13.080 I understand that Sudan is war, but why is England the dream? 1.00

00:02:16.080 Because France is not war.

00:02:18.440 Sudan, France.

00:02:19.560 No war here.

00:02:21.160 France.

00:02:21.580 In France.

00:02:22.240 France is okay?

00:02:24.900 No?

00:02:27.380 Well, there's no war here.

00:02:32.140 Why is England good?

00:02:33.660 Why do you want to come to England?

00:02:35.020 Because France is okay.

00:02:36.700 It's safe.

00:02:37.520 No people.

00:02:38.800 No people.

00:02:39.840 No people.

00:02:41.260 No problem.

00:02:42.340 No problem in England?

00:02:43.860 We have lots of problems in England, my friend.

00:02:46.560 We have lots of problems in England.

00:02:48.980 Nice and evasive right there.

00:02:51.060 What was he actually asking?

00:02:52.600 What was he being asked to answer?

00:02:53.900 Well, he's like, no problem.

00:02:55.900 No people.

00:02:56.540 No people.

00:02:57.080 So, right before we came on, we were saying that a lot of these people are coming over because

00:03:01.480 they've got people over here already.

00:03:03.900 We've built communities now and the communities have come over.

00:03:06.800 They're sending them messages back by text and email saying, look, I get here.

00:03:10.580 I've got a free house.

00:03:11.840 I'm getting this money.

00:03:13.020 I get to stay here.

00:03:13.980 And by the way, my friend, whoever his name is, also can get you a job working on Deliveroo.

00:03:20.040 We can get you working in the back of a lorry, cleaning or being security guards at one of

00:03:25.360 the kind of hotels that you're also looking after.

00:03:28.420 Or if you're really lucky, we'll get you into one of the big gangs where we'll connect you

00:03:32.220 into criminality.

00:03:34.040 We'll involve you in the people smuggling trade as well.

00:03:36.480 And you get higher up on the ladder on that as well.

00:03:38.280 All of this is happening.

00:03:39.280 We've covered it previously.

00:03:40.440 There's a whole TikTok industry of them showing their life in Britain on TikTok.

00:03:44.820 But clearly what that Sudanese man was avoiding saying was, well, I mean, France won't give 0.84

00:03:49.380 me free stuff.

00:03:50.300 Yeah.

00:03:50.880 England is most likely to give me free stuff.

00:03:53.700 Of all of the countries that I've shopped around, they're most likely to give me free

00:03:58.340 stuff.

00:03:58.760 And the most notorious clip already is this one where this man is like, yeah, just give me

00:04:04.760 free stuff.

00:04:05.520 Why should English people pay for you to have a house? 0.99

00:04:14.180 Oh, maybe they give me house, give me anything I can need, give me.

00:04:23.620 Just give it.

00:04:24.480 Yeah.

00:04:25.260 Why?

00:04:27.000 Because people in England is perfect.

00:04:30.900 Oh, so you think we're all rich?

00:04:34.960 Yeah.

00:04:35.460 People.

00:04:36.120 So we can give.

00:04:37.080 Okay.

00:04:38.300 Okay.

00:04:39.140 Can I tell you something?

00:04:40.760 Okay.

00:04:41.400 We are not all rich people.

00:04:43.480 If, if, if I said to you, look, we don't have enough houses in England, would that stop

00:04:50.120 you coming to England?

00:04:51.480 Okay.

00:04:52.500 Maybe I come back in my, maybe I come back in my country and I, you know, I change in another

00:04:58.340 country.

00:04:58.940 Yeah.

00:04:59.160 Maybe you try another country.

00:05:00.500 Yeah.

00:05:00.680 Yeah.

00:05:01.140 Try another country.

00:05:02.220 There we are.

00:05:02.660 Yeah.

00:05:03.240 Yes.

00:05:03.680 Yeah.

00:05:04.720 Just, it's just Gibbs.

00:05:06.040 He literally said Gibbs.

00:05:07.580 Yeah.

00:05:07.880 Yeah.

00:05:08.160 He said, oh, give me.

00:05:09.340 Yeah.

00:05:09.760 It's the ABBA song.

00:05:10.620 Give me everything.

00:05:11.420 Just give me stuff for free.

00:05:13.080 Yeah.

00:05:13.380 You got the title ABBA.

00:05:14.760 Gimme, gimme, gimme a house for my immigrants. 1.00

00:05:17.560 I, I just can't believe they just genuinely think that we've just got so much money, so many

00:05:23.100 resources.

00:05:23.540 Yeah.

00:05:23.820 Yeah.

00:05:23.880 Things, things are going downhill, bro.

00:05:26.120 Yeah.

00:05:26.480 And, and.

00:05:26.780 Because you keep coming and taking our stuff.

00:05:28.020 And this was, this was really good work from Patrick Christie's, I've got to say.

00:05:31.680 And he was also showing around the, outside of the camps he went up to a river and they

00:05:37.200 just found a big dinghy.

00:05:39.720 Oh, just laying around.

00:05:41.140 Just laying around.

00:05:42.120 That had already been blown up.

00:05:43.500 And he.

00:05:43.880 Just happened to need one of those to cross the channel.

00:05:45.660 And he opened a bag that was in the dinghy and they got all of this on camera.

00:05:49.260 And he's like, oh, it's full of, of rubber rings or blow up rubber rings.

00:05:53.840 It's just like a life, life, life, life preservance.

00:05:56.340 I didn't see that.

00:05:56.880 Yeah.

00:05:57.200 And, and he was.

00:05:58.080 Good on him.

00:05:58.540 And he was like, okay, we've got one.

00:06:00.560 It'd be quicker if I just tip all of this out.

00:06:02.420 So he tips it out and there's like 50 of them in the one bag.

00:06:06.240 So he goes over to the police and tells them.

00:06:09.380 And he's like, you see that there's a dinghy over there.

00:06:11.580 They're going to use that to cross the channel.

00:06:13.220 And they're all like.

00:06:14.920 And it takes him pointing it out and then sort of like pressing them on the matter for

00:06:20.200 them to finally go over and slash all the dinghy. 0.95

00:06:22.480 The police were like, well, yeah, we provided it.

00:06:24.460 If it had gone over and said, look, there's a hundred boxes of gitan over there, you know,

00:06:29.640 just lying in there, they probably wouldn't have gone over there much quickly.

00:06:32.660 At least, and they kept, they left the boat there and they took the gitan.

00:06:36.120 So what we're learning is that internationally, England is seen as a kind of land of plenty,

00:06:42.300 a garden of Eden where housing grows on trees.

00:06:46.360 And the government, as soon as you get across the border, will hand it out to you like,

00:06:50.840 like sweets on Halloween.

00:06:52.480 We kind of do, don't we?

00:06:54.140 Yeah.

00:06:54.580 But what does, what, what does the actual housing situation look like for British people in

00:07:01.340 Britain who have to buy their houses and don't get them given out for free or on social housing

00:07:06.520 by the government?

00:07:07.880 I thought we'd take a little look at the updates on that.

00:07:10.820 And if you're of quite depressed temperament, you might want to turn this off for a few minutes

00:07:16.840 because it's not going to be good news.

00:07:18.680 All right.

00:07:18.900 My segment will be fun.

00:07:19.960 I promise.

00:07:20.520 Yeah.

00:07:20.700 Yeah.

00:07:20.840 Stick around for that segment.

00:07:22.220 But this one, maybe go for your coffee break or something.

00:07:24.820 So first of all, already earlier on today, inflation is going higher than expected because

00:07:30.180 higher household bills are kicking in.

00:07:33.440 So that's, that's, that's number one that's fun is that even if you already own a house

00:07:37.760 or are renting a property, all of your bills are going up.

00:07:41.520 One of the biggest factors of that is council housing.

00:07:43.840 And one of, obviously in council housing, we're seeing huge council house increases.

00:07:47.960 And one of the reasons why we're having to pay more in council housing.

00:07:50.680 You've got to bring him back closer.

00:07:51.680 It's because we've got to fund people who are being given permanent right to remain in

00:07:56.240 this country.

00:07:56.680 And we now have to house them.

00:07:57.860 Oh, we'll definitely be getting to that.

00:07:59.540 One of the other big things is net zero policies, making it so that our electricity is more, well,

00:08:05.240 our energy is more scarce because net zero policies produce less electricity and less energy.

00:08:11.300 Thanks, Ed.

00:08:11.780 Yeah.

00:08:12.500 Thank you very much for that.

00:08:13.660 And interestingly enough, just the other day, there was a report that was done by an

00:08:19.120 energy consultant, Catherine Porter.

00:08:21.880 And this was also for the consultancy, WhatLogic, called the true affordability of net zero that

00:08:28.700 found that UK bill payers, homeowners would be about 220 billion pounds better off without

00:08:36.780 net zero policies, making everything more expensive for us.

00:08:39.760 So the 220 billion.

00:08:41.780 Yeah.

00:08:42.160 I mean, what's that after all?

00:08:45.740 Yeah.

00:08:45.880 What's that in your back pocket?

00:08:47.020 Yeah.

00:08:47.420 I don't need 220 billion.

00:08:49.140 I don't know about you guys.

00:08:50.200 The key points were that you can't say it's all down to, oh, just high international gas

00:08:56.420 prices and dictators because-

00:08:58.660 If we weren't dependent on foreign gas, that wouldn't be a problem for us.

00:09:01.300 Yeah.

00:09:01.440 Because we actually pay more by the sounds of it than other net gas importers.

00:09:06.200 Oh, brilliant.

00:09:06.600 So they're getting the same gas as us and we should be getting it for the same prices.

00:09:11.020 When it gets to the actual consumer or the household, it costs way more because of all

00:09:15.320 the levies that we put on these.

00:09:17.280 The UK is spending over 17 billion pounds per year on environmental levies, subsidies,

00:09:22.700 carbon taxes and energy taxes.

00:09:24.780 Just a quick pause on that, right?

00:09:26.280 So a while ago, we broke down what the actual value of the electricity is.

00:09:30.180 It's 25% green levy.

00:09:32.480 So your energy could be 25% cheaper if the government wasn't robbing you to put up bloody

00:09:37.820 offshore wind farms.

00:09:39.060 It's the same if you look into the breakdown of how the cost is calculated at the pump

00:09:42.380 if you go to fuel up your car.

00:09:43.800 It's something like 25 to 30% is a green levy for having the audacity to want to be able

00:09:49.720 to freely travel in the country and fuel your car.

00:09:52.440 I hate it so much.

00:09:53.480 How dare you want free money and free houses and being able to travel freely.

00:09:57.400 You know, all of this is just something only you can dream about in the world of the elites.

00:10:01.620 Oh, yes.

00:10:02.420 This was an interesting one.

00:10:03.600 The wind farms are deliberately built outside of grid constraints, meaning the grid cannot

00:10:07.300 handle the electricity produced.

00:10:09.660 Porter points out that the sea green wind farm in 2024 was constrained off twice as often

00:10:14.380 as it was selling electricity to the grid.

00:10:16.920 Consumers at those points had to pay for gas power stations to produce electricity.

00:10:20.420 So we're building useless wind farms that we can't even use twice.

00:10:27.080 I can't stand it.

00:10:28.900 I just can't stand it.

00:10:30.260 This is, you know that British efficiency that was notable for, you know, building up

00:10:35.140 the world during our empire?

00:10:37.720 That's out the window now for a very long time.

00:10:40.480 All I can hear is Milton Friedman being like, you don't want the government to do anything,

00:10:43.560 you know, because they do it badly.

00:10:44.980 It's like, yeah, that's a good point.

00:10:46.220 Yeah, here's the point where they were saying that if we'd just continued using gas,

00:10:50.420 power systems since 2006, we'd have been approximately, consumers would be approximately 220 billion

00:10:56.840 pounds better off.

00:10:58.600 And wholesale electricity prices make up 42% of electricity bills and gas prices determine

00:11:04.100 less than 40% of electricity bills.

00:11:06.300 They don't drive household bills. 0.98

00:11:07.820 So any fluctuation in terms of the actual wholesale cost of this is less than half of why you're

00:11:13.840 paying so much when you actually get your bill through.

00:11:16.260 This is a con.

00:11:18.660 This is a scam.

00:11:19.880 Yes, it is.

00:11:20.460 This is unacceptable.

00:11:21.960 Is that kind of suggesting that we're all about 40,000 pounds better off?

00:11:27.820 Because that's roughly, I'm trying to take the 66 million into the 220 billion.

00:11:31.660 That would actually be five figures better off per person.

00:11:35.940 Well, if we didn't.

00:11:37.100 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:37.480 If we didn't.

00:11:38.260 Yeah.

00:11:38.460 You know, it could be like 40 grand.

00:11:39.840 I'm quite happy to have that.

00:11:41.080 Yeah, I'd love to have a holiday.

00:11:43.360 For my generation, that's kind of an unfathomable kind of amount of money for most people.

00:11:51.140 And then there's also, as you were mentioning, council housing, social housing, the ridiculous

00:11:56.040 costs that go into social housing.

00:11:58.080 So Carl pointed me in the direction of some of this information.

00:12:00.480 So thank you very much.

00:12:01.180 Sam Ashworth Hayes saying that, here's from the Telegraph article, across England, social

00:12:07.080 housing is costing the government somewhere in the region of 21 billion pounds each year.

00:12:11.580 In London alone, because of the amount of housing that's in London and how much demand

00:12:16.560 there is for it, is about 11 billion pounds with 291 million pounds alone devoted to households

00:12:23.960 headed up by foreign-born residents who arrived after 2011 and 4.6 billion pounds to households

00:12:29.820 with no adults in employment.

00:12:31.360 So that, this, this is just...

00:12:32.860 Why are they here?

00:12:33.660 This is just subsidising neats.

00:12:36.200 It's just subsidising foreigners to live in Britain at our expense. 0.99

00:12:38.840 Absolutely.

00:12:39.440 God!

00:12:40.400 For no particular reason.

00:12:42.500 Just for the sake of kind of having them so you can put them on posters around London

00:12:46.500 to show how diverse the city is.

00:12:48.520 Oh, I need my diversity.

00:12:49.680 I get a bit itchy if I don't have diversity.

00:12:51.640 These ones aren't even serving you at prep.

00:12:53.660 Yeah, I know.

00:12:54.320 What are they doing?

00:12:55.220 They're so round.

00:12:56.020 What is the point of them?

00:12:57.140 They're sitting around, locking up the vents in their flats and letting black mould grow

00:13:02.780 and then their children get respiratory problems that then Sadiq Khan comes and blames English

00:13:07.660 people for.

00:13:08.420 I really wish I could just ask them, why do you think the government pays for you to live

00:13:12.460 here?

00:13:13.420 You know, why do you think they're doing this?

00:13:15.440 Well, I mean, we know from this guy it's because we're perfect.

00:13:18.260 Well, yeah.

00:13:18.740 We're just perfect heavenly angels.

00:13:20.500 Yeah.

00:13:20.780 We've got all of this abundance.

00:13:22.080 Why don't we share it about, you know?

00:13:25.020 We do have those, you know, perfect angels.

00:13:27.480 O'Brien on LBC.

00:13:29.500 I mean, he has all...

00:13:30.600 Gary Lineker's of these world.

00:13:31.980 The angels who never seem to want to put into their own pockets and hands to help people

00:13:36.000 out in the same way.

00:13:37.340 The angels are the working class and lower middle class of this country who are having 1.00

00:13:40.600 to struggle to be able to make their ends meet every single day in order to ensure that

00:13:46.860 the elites have a good, wholesome soul for themselves whilst they're eating their caviar

00:13:51.460 and having nice Prosecco nights.

00:13:53.680 They've got the winter fuel raid and the EATM's things raid and all of this.

00:13:58.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:59.180 We're all such bloody angels. 0.91

00:14:00.700 It's higher. 0.91

00:14:01.480 Yeah.

00:14:01.740 And it's no surprise that in this article, I mean, one of the big things in here was just

00:14:06.780 that this article is interesting.

00:14:09.160 It says, why Britain's home ownership dream is dead.

00:14:12.300 I mean, it's been dead for a long while, but thank you for finally noticing, Telegraph.

00:14:16.060 The last chart that they give here is just like availability, even the availability of

00:14:22.520 housing.

00:14:23.300 If you're a young person, it's just not going to happen, particularly if you're in Scotland

00:14:28.060 for some reason.

00:14:29.220 There's just no housing available.

00:14:30.820 Welsh home buyers are struggling and houses are unbelievably cheap in Wales compared to houses

00:14:34.740 here.

00:14:35.200 They are.

00:14:35.580 My wife's family comes from Wales.

00:14:37.120 We were looking at property there, like 60, 70 grand for a normal house in Wales.

00:14:41.560 It's like, that seems like it could be affordable, but if young people can't even get on the ladder 1.00

00:14:46.580 there.

00:14:46.940 No, if you look at the jobs and how much they're being paid, the only jobs available.

00:14:50.200 They're getting like 20k a year.

00:14:51.500 Very, very, very low.

00:14:53.380 And as you probably picked up on, maybe you have done later, we're building more houses

00:14:58.300 in roughly around 260,000 to 300,000 a year for the last 10 years.

00:15:02.960 That means we've added 3 million houses to the housing stock in a decade, and none of

00:15:08.680 that is pushing prices down.

00:15:10.280 None of it is making a very...

00:15:11.280 Well, we've added...

00:15:12.360 I think there's another line that's going up faster than the house is going up.

00:15:15.640 The population is doubling each of those 10 years based on immigration.

00:15:22.360 And until you understand, as I've said it many times, until we stop the population growth

00:15:27.380 caused by immigration, none of our services, housing or anything is back.

00:15:31.060 It's all about population growth.

00:15:32.460 The official figures are that over the past 10 years, it's been about 4 million people

00:15:36.560 have been added to the population.

00:15:37.780 And that's just the people who will be on the books.

00:15:40.280 Yes.

00:15:40.540 So even if you're just going by the official data, which will not actually reflect the

00:15:44.560 true amount of people that have come into the country or stayed in the country, overstayed

00:15:48.780 visas, come into the country illegally that we've just not caught in the system.

00:15:52.900 If you're just going by that data, we've got at least a 1 million shortfall.

00:15:56.560 If you're going to count each of those individual people as needing some kind of home and not

00:16:00.900 group them into family units.

00:16:02.280 But even then, it's not a great situation.

00:16:05.320 Especially when there's another problem that comes into this as well.

00:16:08.340 So the Telegraph is telling you, oh, the homeowning dream is dead in Britain for all of these

00:16:13.740 different reasons.

00:16:14.940 Anyway, here's a nice promo article talking about what a great investment it is to take

00:16:19.680 your buy-to-let properties and turn them into McDonald's instead.

00:16:23.120 Here's a happy...

00:16:23.640 UK.

00:16:24.580 Yeah.

00:16:24.940 Here is a happy foreigner, Anisha Sharma, who ditched her buy-to-lets.

00:16:29.460 So she had four buy-to-lets, presumably.

00:16:32.040 How did she get the money for that? 1.00

00:16:33.480 Or four McDonald's franchises instead and going on about how much of a better investment

00:16:38.320 it is.

00:16:38.960 Because what we want in our country is...

00:16:41.080 Is more obesity.

00:16:42.120 Yeah.

00:16:42.520 Is more homogenized McDonald's on every single corner in what used to be housing units.

00:16:51.060 Yeah.

00:16:51.720 That's brilliant because that will in itself, of course, be driving everything up.

00:16:54.700 And the other interesting thing that I'm going to end on was this ridiculously long and in-depth

00:17:00.400 article that Pimlico Journal released yesterday talking about the social housing phenomenon.

00:17:05.400 There's nowhere near enough time to go over all of this because it's probably like a half

00:17:10.160 hour read by itself.

00:17:11.080 So let's just see some of the executive summary that they put at the top here.

00:17:16.300 They highlight that 6.1 billion per year in pounds is spent on implied subsidies to foreign-born

00:17:23.000 headed households in social housing alone.

00:17:25.840 So those subsidies, the implied subsidies, will be the original cost of what the housing

00:17:31.280 would be on the private market compared to what they're actually being spent on when

00:17:36.040 the social housing market because, of course, I believe, what was his name?

00:17:39.860 Juice on Twitter, a great Anon account, found the government database showing what the housing

00:17:46.160 prices are, private versus social, that people are getting in London.

00:17:51.020 And, for instance, I think it was Knightsbridge, they were getting the housing reduced to less

00:17:56.560 than £500 per month.

00:17:58.160 No.

00:17:58.520 Lucky then.

00:17:59.100 In Knightsbridge.

00:18:00.100 And that would be probably, what, like £2,000, £3,000 per month, at least in an area like

00:18:06.500 that in London?

00:18:07.300 I'm on a boat tomorrow.

00:18:08.740 Yeah, I know, right?

00:18:10.000 So they say, in 2024, the total general needs housing stock in England has an implied rental

00:18:17.860 subsidy of around £19.1 billion, or 0.8% of GDP.

00:18:24.500 This represents the difference between the private sector rent, which could be charged, and the

00:18:28.580 social housing rent, which is charged.

00:18:29.980 So if we took all of this out of social housing, these people who are non-productive to the

00:18:35.900 country, and just put it on the private sector, and allowed it to be rented out at market rates

00:18:40.920 to normal people, it would come to a total almost 1% of our current GDP.

00:18:47.060 That's just mad.

00:18:48.280 That is, these are ridiculous numbers to be considering here. 0.94

00:18:51.600 And again, ask yourself constantly, what are we getting out of this? 0.78

00:18:56.940 What are we getting out of this?

00:18:58.020 Again, according to the Telegraph, £4.6 billion worth of these households have no one working

00:19:05.880 in them.

00:19:06.420 I just don't see how foreign people are allowed to claim benefits in this country. 1.00

00:19:09.700 It should be not possible.

00:19:10.860 Yeah, they're just coming here.

00:19:12.660 Here's your house.

00:19:13.240 The problem is, I was brought up in social housing, in a council house in Manchester.

00:19:18.420 My mum worked three jobs. 0.84

00:19:19.760 She worked in the biscuit factory in the mornings, and then in the evenings she had to clean in

00:19:25.660 the bookies, you know, clean the floors at the end of the day.

00:19:28.400 And at the weekend she'd go down to the market, and once a week on a Saturday she'd be selling

00:19:33.360 shoes off the market stall for us all to be able to make ends meet.

00:19:37.740 My brother and I lived in the same room, and my grandmother's, whilst we waited seven years

00:19:42.840 to get social housing.

00:19:44.460 And that's what it was meant to do.

00:19:46.200 Well, yeah.

00:19:46.600 It was meant to be able to subsidise those people, in our case because we'd had difficulties

00:19:50.840 with my father and we had to leave and all the rest of it.

00:19:53.640 But it wasn't meant to be the social housing for the world.

00:19:58.140 It wasn't meant to battery farm foreigners.

00:19:59.920 No.

00:20:00.480 It wasn't meant to come in and keep them there.

00:20:02.480 It is a shame because certainly in principle, especially here in cases like yours, there's

00:20:06.360 no reason in principle to be entirely against social housing.

00:20:10.000 There are absolutely plenty of cases where it is needed and would be of great help to families

00:20:16.160 who are struggling.

00:20:16.700 The majority of this now, when you have 72% of London Somalis in social housing, presumably 0.57

00:20:26.960 also not working, why are we battery farming these people into our capital city?

00:20:32.800 So just sit around.

00:20:34.600 GDP?

00:20:36.100 And it is...

00:20:37.760 Or I suppose, I don't know how the calculation works.

00:20:41.220 I'm not a mathematician or an economist.

00:20:42.240 Actually, that's interesting, is how do they not deduct this?

00:20:44.820 I would be wondering, if I look at the GDP figures, whether the Treasury actually deducts

00:20:49.880 the cost of social housing from it.

00:20:52.400 That's an interesting...

00:20:52.800 Now that's going to be...

00:20:53.620 I'm not actually trying to follow that up.

00:20:55.000 That is an interesting question.

00:20:56.380 But just carrying on.

00:20:57.280 So in 2021, 31% of social housing subsidies went to households headed by somebody outside

00:21:03.900 of Britain.

00:21:04.500 So that's where the £6.1 billion come from.

00:21:06.900 With each socially rented household gaining £7,651 in implied rental subsidy that year,

00:21:14.080 substantially above that of socially rented households headed by people born in Britain.

00:21:19.240 Again, we're just giving this away at a cheaper price to the people who were already in this

00:21:24.980 country.

00:21:25.840 In 2021, black-headed households gained far more in social housing implied rental subsidies

00:21:30.800 than other groups, £3.3 billion in total.

00:21:33.980 So 4% of England's population gets 17% of the subsidies.

00:21:38.740 All social justice, Harry.

00:21:39.940 I mean, yeah, well, if you're going to take an argument on fairness here, well, again,

00:21:45.040 where is the fairness in this?

00:21:47.540 Immigrants arriving in the three years before the 2021 census were receiving an estimated

00:21:51.720 £316 million in implied rental subsidies despite there being rules in place to constrain

00:21:57.320 new immigrants' access to welfare and other state support.

00:21:59.800 See, this is an argument that the left will present on Twitter all the time.

00:22:03.020 It's like, oh, no, actually, foreign people have got to pay for the NHS. 0.98

00:22:05.860 Foreign people don't get welfare.

00:22:07.200 It's like, yes, they do, because they'll say, OK, yeah, we'll treat you, obviously, and

00:22:12.340 here's a bill.

00:22:14.200 You're going to pay it?

00:22:14.720 No, of course not. 0.98

00:22:15.300 I'm going to bloody pay it. 0.95

00:22:16.720 Yeah.

00:22:17.080 You can say on paper that there are all of these rules saying that they can't get them.

00:22:20.480 Well, they get them anyway.

00:22:21.620 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:22.280 They get these benefits anyway.

00:22:23.420 You need to refuse a point of service, or else they're saying, like, yeah, thanks, I'll get

00:22:26.940 right on that.

00:22:28.020 You know, good luck with getting that money out of me.

00:22:29.700 So the households in London, headed by working age, economically inactive, unemployed, and

00:22:34.940 full-time students in 2021 received implied rental subsidies worth 2.7 billion pounds.

00:22:40.060 So this is, as well, for me, is just a subsidy for failing universities, because they need

00:22:44.760 these students in to keep the doors open so that they can have as many students as possible.

00:22:49.240 Why are full-time students getting an implied rental subsidy in a social housing?

00:22:53.380 Why are they doing that?

00:22:54.340 That's a good question.

00:22:55.300 When I was at university, I didn't have to get social housing at all.

00:22:58.520 I wouldn't be allowed it.

00:22:59.220 I'd have to go into the rental market and rent it myself, however difficult it was.

00:23:03.560 Six of us living in a house, you know, that's how it's done.

00:23:06.180 And finally, from the information I've drawn from here, modelling assumptions on discounts

00:23:10.040 and yields and validating them against London Borough's own estimates of their social housing

00:23:13.780 assets value, London social housing in 2024 was an asset portfolio worth £210 billion.

00:23:22.320 So who owns?

00:23:23.520 Right.

00:23:24.100 That's a good question.

00:23:25.220 And this is one of my real pet angers in this country.

00:23:27.720 We sold off our social housing to social housing associations, who are, I guess, non-profit,

00:23:35.720 they say.

00:23:36.440 But actually, just like our charities are non-profit, when you start looking at how much they're

00:23:41.860 paid as the chief executive, as the chairman, in their millions for some of these, that's

00:23:47.420 not a non-profit.

00:23:48.880 That is a very much profit through the back door, through the idea that we're paying them

00:23:53.620 salaries and bonuses.

00:23:54.680 It's a way of paying the left to get rich in jobs that we've created for them.

00:23:59.660 For government money.

00:24:00.880 Government money.

00:24:01.320 And it reminds me of, I think it was last year, I covered the Taxpayers Alliance, did

00:24:05.420 a big expose on all of the benefits that local council members were taking for themselves,

00:24:10.680 where some of the local councillors were taking retirement payments of hundreds of thousands

00:24:17.640 of pounds at a time under their pension schemes.

00:24:21.080 So obviously...

00:24:21.800 As a councillor, I didn't know you can get retirement payments.

00:24:23.620 Local councils are only supposed to pay, what, £12,000 per year?

00:24:28.900 I think it's somewhere between something like £820.

00:24:31.520 Yeah, it's not...

00:24:32.580 It's not the same everywhere.

00:24:33.840 It's not supposed to be something that's going to be taking up your full time, and it's

00:24:39.260 not supposed to be something that you can live off, it's something that you do as part

00:24:42.040 of your community.

00:24:42.540 Some of these people managed to find ways to gain the system to get extra benefits off

00:24:46.340 of the back of it, so that they were leaving minted.

00:24:50.280 So there are all sorts of backdoors for people who are in these positions to corrupt the system

00:24:57.220 and make a lot of money off of it as well.

00:25:00.000 So in the land of plenty, this is what our housing situation is looking at like right now.

00:25:04.920 It is an absolute grift.

00:25:07.540 And with that, let's go through to the rumble rants that we've got for this segment.

00:25:11.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:12.160 Sizzlestone says,

00:25:12.840 Harry, stop destroying the studio.

00:25:14.100 They're just books, even if they're by Owen Jones.

00:25:16.240 Good luck with those.

00:25:16.960 Did you see that?

00:25:17.500 No, I didn't.

00:25:18.200 One of our very kind and generous subscribers, Sam Weston, decided to send me in the trilogy

00:25:25.440 of Owen Jones books, Chavs, The Establishment, and This Land, which have all arrived and I've

00:25:31.660 opened up this morning.

00:25:33.120 And now they're staring at me on my desk, kind of like the one ring whispering evil in

00:25:39.660 my ear. 1.00

00:25:40.740 Become a shit, Harry. 1.00

00:25:42.120 Lord Atvar says, watch me. 1.00

00:25:44.860 What did you do, Carl?

00:25:45.720 You look years younger today?

00:25:46.960 I mean, I've got a haircut.

00:25:48.360 Maybe that's it.

00:25:49.960 And he says, UK Global Home is giving illegal aliens benefits to help replace Brits as they 1.00

00:25:56.560 try to replace Americans infamously via FEMA, Medicaid, USAID, and other Fed agencies.

00:26:01.060 Yeah, that is true.

00:26:03.000 And I can't read that, Sizzlestone, so I'll take your word for it. 0.92

00:26:06.720 Right, so let's move on.

00:26:08.540 So something interesting happened on LBC.

00:26:11.800 I think it was this morning, actually.

00:26:13.740 I'm not entirely sure what the date was.

00:26:15.000 Yeah, it was yesterday, we'll say.

00:26:18.200 Where our friend Charlie Downs went on cross-question with Ian Dale.

00:26:24.260 So it's just a panel talk show.

00:26:25.840 But the line-up was very interesting.

00:26:29.280 So you have here Stephen Flynn, the SNP Westminster leader and insane wokest for the Scottish National

00:26:37.160 Party.

00:26:37.580 You had Dr. Luke Evans, who is the shadow health minister for the Conservatives.

00:26:42.080 So he's a person whose political career is probably on short shrift.

00:26:45.460 Not through any fault of his own, I imagine.

00:26:47.380 Rachel, I think it was Cunliffe.

00:26:48.940 I think I couldn't hear it very well when he was pronouncing it.

00:26:51.620 But she's the associate editor of the New Statesman.

00:26:53.860 And then you have Charlie and Ian Dale moderating.

00:26:56.940 And it was very interesting because they began starting, okay, well, how should the UK respond

00:27:01.060 to Israel, as you can see?

00:27:02.080 And, I mean, this comes in the wake of Britain, France and Canada threatening action over Gaza.

00:27:08.440 I don't know what's going to happen.

00:27:10.820 Whatever.

00:27:11.640 Everyone's upset about this.

00:27:12.920 But the sort of woke Scottish nationalist that's going on, as you'd expect, is very

00:27:17.500 anti-Israel, very pro-Palestine. 0.93

00:27:20.020 The Conservative gives a really wishy-washy, meanly-mouthed sort of explanation of the situation,

00:27:25.280 which you would expect from a Conservative.

00:27:27.640 The New Statesman editor goes on about the Israeli government being far right, which is

00:27:32.680 what you'd expect from the New Statesman.

00:27:34.460 And Charlie gives an interesting response, where he just attacks the framing of the question

00:27:39.540 entirely.

00:27:40.220 Let's watch.

00:27:40.900 Charlie.

00:27:41.280 Well, first of all, Ian, thank you for having me.

00:27:43.960 It's a great pleasure to be here.

00:27:45.440 The first thing I would say is this conflict in Gaza, I think, is, it embodies so many

00:27:50.880 of the fundamental questions, certainly that we're asking in post-national Britain and Western

00:27:55.980 Europe more generally, about where a state derives its legitimacy from, what constitutes

00:28:00.680 a state, and what rights states have when it comes to acts of aggression and self-defense.

00:28:09.520 Good start.

00:28:10.840 Good start, yeah.

00:28:11.720 Good start, yeah.

00:28:11.740 Good start.

00:28:12.260 Actually, he was on form.

00:28:13.940 Yeah, he goes and asks, you know, how much more do we want to be involved in this?

00:28:17.660 And so you can see that rather than accepting the frame of, of course, we're going to be

00:28:21.240 involved in this, and the question is, which side are we on?

00:28:23.720 How do we come down to it?

00:28:24.860 Charlie starts attacking the very premise.

00:28:26.920 We should always be looking at questions of an international matter from, what can Britain

00:28:33.220 gain from this?

00:28:34.640 What are our own interests in this that we can gain from, whether it be cultural or economic?

00:28:42.620 We don't have to be alongside America as world police.

00:28:46.440 No, I mean, we're not an empire.

00:28:48.320 It's not our business.

00:28:49.240 That would be my response.

00:28:50.860 But the point that they make is, of course, you know, Israel was attacked on October the

00:28:55.780 7th by Hamas as a terrorist attack.

00:28:57.680 Terrible thing.

00:28:58.440 Yes, but we also have terror attacks happening at home, and this was quite spicy, and they

00:29:06.360 didn't like this.

00:29:07.620 I think that we have a very real-world example of a disproportionate response in the other

00:29:12.520 sense, and that's on British soil, the rape gangs. 0.97

00:29:15.460 There has been no response.

00:29:16.960 There has been no real justice on this topic. 0.90

00:29:20.060 I think to compare the two is ridiculous.

00:29:21.560 I don't think it is, because crimes of a similar nature have happened on British soil,

00:29:25.280 has happened on October 7th, and we've not still not had justice.

00:29:27.780 But I'm not going to go down that road on this, Stephen.

00:29:31.360 No, it's like, oh, I'm not going down that road. 0.97

00:29:33.320 No, no, Ian wouldn't, though, because, you know, he's a bit of a coward when it comes 0.97

00:29:36.400 to anything that's off-right and conservative.

00:29:39.600 He pretends that he's a conservative, but actually he's been a moderate Liberal Democrat

00:29:43.860 in the Rory Stewart line ever since he got involved in politics, and one of the greatest

00:29:48.580 things that we ever managed to achieve was not ensure that he wasn't elected for too long.

00:29:52.960 He got kind of deselected, didn't he?

00:29:55.160 Yeah, that's right.

00:29:55.580 A recording came out of Ian, I can't remember which constituents it was, but him just taking

00:29:59.860 a big steaming dump on it, saying, hey, this place, and it's terrible.

00:30:03.120 And suddenly he got deselected from running for the Conservatives.

00:30:06.100 So the point is, you can see that Charlie is like, well, actually, if you think about

00:30:10.660 the moral crime that has happened, say, British white English girls, well, it's not terribly 0.98

00:30:16.380 dissimilar to what the Hamas attack did on October 7th.

00:30:19.320 And of course, the famous image of the Israeli woman being led along with the bloodstains 1.00

00:30:24.560 on her rear, yeah, it's not terribly dissimilar at all.

00:30:26.780 And then you think, well, what about, you know, Manchester Arena bombing, the 11th attacks,

00:30:30.200 various others, you know, these are not terribly dissimilar.

00:30:33.080 Well, if you were going to go down that line, you would have to ask the question of, well,

00:30:37.560 I mean, if you're going to compare the two, I would imagine there's probably a lot more

00:30:41.520 victims on our side, in our situation, because obviously it's only over the course of one

00:30:45.580 day that you're comparing it to.

00:30:47.220 At which point, you say, what would be a proportional response?

00:30:49.720 Well, I think the Israelis probably do have a greater number of victims on that, because 1.00

00:30:54.740 there's 1,300 in a day, it's a lot.

00:30:56.400 Oh, yeah, I was just comparing it to the day over the course of decades.

00:31:01.140 I agree, I agree.

00:31:02.180 But it's not necessarily about weighing up body counts or anything.

00:31:05.900 What it's about is saying, does the state have a responsibility to actually protect its

00:31:09.920 citizens from hostile actors, communities?

00:31:12.820 And I think it's useful here for us all to learn that when we're now dealing with the

00:31:16.960 press and dealing with the questions, it's to now frame the answers.

00:31:21.160 More recently, we've been trying to do this, but I think it's more successfully, is to take

00:31:25.260 away their question and reframing it in the way that we want it to be responded to.

00:31:29.400 And they're finding it deeply uncomfortable.

00:31:31.400 We saw that with the way that Farage actually, on one of his better days, he actually managed

00:31:35.700 to do that just after the election, when he talked about racism.

00:31:39.220 And that's a very good point that we should now be looking and considering.

00:31:42.640 Whenever we're on shows, whenever we're dealing in conversations with people, reframe

00:31:46.540 it into the context of our country and the crimes and offences and difficulties that

00:31:50.920 we're having.

00:31:51.320 Because, I mean, one example, for example, on the grooming gangs, it's something like

00:31:55.880 80% dual Pakistani nationals, right?

00:31:58.500 So why aren't we sanctioning Pakistan? 1.00

00:32:00.420 Why aren't we doing something about this?

00:32:01.800 And you can see Ian's like, oh, you know, sort of like, you know, starts puckering up and

00:32:05.480 be like, not going down that road.

00:32:07.340 Again, we're talking about Charlie Downs.

00:32:09.840 What is the proportional response to an absolute atrocity like what happened to Charlene Downs?

00:32:15.080 Is she the one who's ground up into this?

00:32:17.100 There was a proportional response to that, because that was allowed to happen.

00:32:23.080 That did not happen in a vacuum.

00:32:24.740 Yep.

00:32:25.420 And so, as you can see, Ian's like, right, okay, I'm not going down that road, because

00:32:29.940 that's scary, and I would have to out myself as a Liberal Democrat.

00:32:33.480 So I'm moving on.

00:32:34.820 And so they try and bring it back to Israel, but Charlie's like, no, no, no, no.

00:32:40.240 Actually, we can take the example of Israel acting in the interests of its own citizens

00:32:46.760 and ask, why doesn't our government do that?

00:32:50.000 This is amazing.

00:32:50.900 Is that we have already seen acts akin to the events of October 7th on British soil, whether

00:32:57.040 that's the Manchester Arena attack or the rape gang, as I've already talked about.

00:33:01.140 And we've seen the way our government has responded to those things, which is don't look back

00:33:04.320 in anger, which is, let's not allow this to sort of dethrone the great ideological project

00:33:09.940 of multiculturalism.

00:33:11.300 And I think that fears of an October 7th-style attack happening in British soil are not unfounded, 1.00

00:33:15.920 given the fact that we have over a million illegal migrants in this country from we know

00:33:19.020 not where, given that recently a plot was foiled by Iranian illegal migrants to commit

00:33:24.160 a terrorist attack in this country.

00:33:26.440 I think that it's, I don't know, it's something that's far more likely, far more possible than

00:33:31.480 I think anybody is willing to admit.

00:33:34.400 And so I think that...

00:33:35.380 What should Israel be doing? 0.80

00:33:36.760 Well, this is the point.

00:33:37.940 You know, it's just interesting, isn't it, how Israel is the only state in the modern world

00:33:41.540 that's considered Western, that is permitted to be sort of explicitly nationalist.

00:33:47.100 Because in Europe or in Britain, for example, if you say that you want a government that governs

00:33:52.440 explicitly in the interests of the indigenous British population, you want one that is uncompromising 1.00

00:33:57.320 in its commitment to British interests, you know, you're called far right and you're called

00:34:00.280 a racist and all the rest of it.

00:34:01.480 And so I can't help but think that if...

00:34:02.960 I have no idea what you're on about.

00:34:04.940 I think it's a sickening comparison.

00:34:07.320 Genuinely, I don't mean to be rude, Charlie, I have no idea what you're on about, Paul.

00:34:11.460 What part of it do you not understand?

00:34:12.760 The brilliant leader of the SMP has passed that.

00:34:14.580 I'm not here to defend the British state by any means, but you try to tell me that look

00:34:17.680 here, a conservative, and look, I'll look, the double look there.

00:34:22.760 I'm not here to defend the Tories or the Labour Party or Lib Dems or those who believe

00:34:26.400 in the British state.

00:34:27.480 But nobody can reasonably say to me that the members of Parliament in Westminster aren't

00:34:32.960 interested in defending the territorial integrity and the values, whatever they are, of Britain.

00:34:39.840 And I'm the Scottish nationalist sitting here telling you that.

00:34:42.220 So that should maybe calm your jets a wee bit on that one.

00:34:44.800 You see the uniparty firewall erect itself in real time.

00:34:51.020 There we go.

00:34:51.580 Yeah, precisely.

00:34:52.380 Now, this guy, just to be clear, he's the leader of the SNP in Westminster, obviously wants

00:34:58.000 to be a leader of the SNP.

00:34:59.060 The SNP's core goal, for anyone who doesn't know, Scottish Nationalist Party, who want

00:35:02.860 independence from Britain.

00:35:04.500 So you would think any excuse to attack the British state would be completely valid,

00:35:09.780 completely useful.

00:35:10.400 And you'd be like, yeah, no, good point.

00:35:11.660 People in Scotland should think about that.

00:35:13.040 The British state is not looking out for the rich, but all of a sudden, well, well, hang

00:35:15.340 on a second.

00:35:16.320 No, no, no, no.

00:35:17.140 I, the SNP guy, I don't want to defend the Tories and Britain, but I'm going to leap

00:35:22.320 to the defence of the Tories and Britain against Charlie Downs coming from well outside of

00:35:26.500 the paradigm and saying, well, hang on a second, why aren't they looking out for our interests?

00:35:30.420 And, I mean, just to, I mean, that was, A, I really appreciate Charlie's use of the

00:35:35.480 terminology.

00:35:36.500 Yes.

00:35:36.720 He inserted a bunch of terminology that went unnoticed for them.

00:35:39.760 But the idea that the SNP guy can suddenly be like, well, hang on a second, you can't

00:35:42.860 attack the British state for betraying the British people.

00:35:45.240 Yeah, I think we can, actually.

00:35:46.620 In fact, we've got plenty of problems.

00:35:49.040 Not that one.

00:35:49.820 So, for example, I mean, what's going on with Chagos?

00:35:52.660 What's going on with Gibraltar, in fact?

00:35:55.660 Who owns the bloody railways?

00:35:57.260 Well, if, like, we can just look, right?

00:35:59.320 Between 1994 and 1997, these got privatised.

00:36:01.840 Hong Kong, Italy, a company registered in the Cayman Islands, a Dutch state railway company.

00:36:08.160 Yep.

00:36:08.320 Like, you can see how our country is just being given away.

00:36:13.400 And, of course, you know, are we talking about, like, the borders?

00:36:16.200 And all of those we could have actually used if we wanted to influence our so-called deal

00:36:20.180 with the EU.

00:36:21.080 Of course.

00:36:21.480 We're going to nationalise this.

00:36:22.620 Exactly.

00:36:23.160 Give us what we want or you lose all of this.

00:36:25.180 Absolutely.

00:36:25.760 You know, we could have played hardball and yet we didn't.

00:36:27.840 Many countries would lose out a lot more than we would in terms of the trade now that we

00:36:32.180 have with so-called Europe and our investments.

00:36:35.120 We've got the most expensive railways in Europe, obviously, because we're being completely

00:36:38.900 rinsed by the Europeans on our railways. 0.97

00:36:40.520 I mean, what's this?

00:36:41.540 So, Govia is owned by Go Ahead, an Australian bus company which goes through a Canadian pension

00:36:47.760 fund that also gets infrastructure as well from Australia and Spain.

00:36:52.380 The rest of it's owned by a French company.

00:36:54.820 The French railway company.

00:36:56.080 The French Canadians.

00:36:57.680 Even worse.

00:36:58.280 It's the national state-owned railway company of France.

00:37:01.220 Yep.

00:37:01.760 So, we are subsidising their state-owned railways.

00:37:05.460 And we're subsidising their pension fund.

00:37:06.760 I'm sure their ticket prices are great as well.

00:37:07.800 Same with the Italian one. 0.99

00:37:09.420 Same with the Dutch one. 1.00

00:37:10.720 And their ticket prices are great.

00:37:12.040 I looked this up a little while ago.

00:37:12.980 Oh, yeah.

00:37:13.440 That's just one example.

00:37:14.320 Again, like, we could talk about the actual, like, giving away of Chagos, giving away of 1.00

00:37:18.820 Gibraltar, which apparently is not on the table, blah, blah, blah.

00:37:21.620 Who believes that?

00:37:22.700 But then we can look at the rest of it.

00:37:23.720 So, I mean, talking about the railway prices, okay, a few weeks ago I actually had to get

00:37:28.440 the train down here, where I am.

00:37:30.220 So, it's maybe two and a half hour train journey.

00:37:33.000 I don't know what that costs in European countries or in America.

00:37:36.680 Here, it costs about £160.

00:37:39.560 That's an extraordinary source of money nowadays.

00:37:41.180 Yeah.

00:37:41.960 £160 for a two and a half hour train journey.

00:37:44.460 It's staggering, isn't it?

00:37:45.360 But anyway, so that's the general, okay, where is the British state looking after our interest?

00:37:49.200 Because the British state is responsible for all of this, right?

00:37:51.340 The British state is responsible for giving away various bits of our territory.

00:37:54.620 It's responsible for protecting our borders from illegal immigration and legal immigration.

00:37:59.000 And it's responsible for selling off all of the national assets.

00:38:01.940 And now we've got to the point now where Indians own more properties in London than the English. 0.74

00:38:07.280 Yeah, well, that's what I find stunning.

00:38:09.140 We are becoming an island not just of strangers, but of renters.

00:38:13.440 And the SNP guys, like, don't know what you're talking about, pal.

00:38:17.140 Don't know, how could you possibly say that the British state isn't looking out for the

00:38:20.180 interests of the British people?

00:38:21.760 I'm the pro-independence SNP guy.

00:38:23.960 It's like, absolutely mad.

00:38:26.260 Absolutely mad.

00:38:27.360 It is.

00:38:27.660 So anyway, let's carry on.

00:38:30.160 And so, Charlie is just like, well, I don't really agree.

00:38:33.780 I don't really see my own country around at all.

00:38:37.480 Well, what do you base that assertion that the British state is interested in defending

00:38:41.280 British interests on?

00:38:42.180 Is it the fact that we've had millions of illegal migrants into the country?

00:38:45.380 Is it the fact that we've had mass immigration for the better part of 30 years that has made

00:38:48.220 it almost impossible for people my age to afford housing, where we feel so dispossessed

00:38:52.000 of our own culture when we walk through our own high streets?

00:38:54.100 We don't see our own country.

00:38:55.560 What else is it?

00:38:56.720 Is it the fact that British identity...

00:38:58.060 What do you see then?

00:38:59.840 Well, what do I see?

00:39:00.620 What do you see?

00:39:01.040 When you're walking down the high street, you say, I don't see my own country.

00:39:04.040 What do you see?

00:39:05.380 I see a country that has been so poorly governed for really as long as I've been alive, that

00:39:10.720 it has been essentially the inheritance of the country that was built, cultivated by my

00:39:16.500 ancestors, has been given away to anybody who would come here.

00:39:20.800 And the government has been the midwife to that project.

00:39:25.340 And I've got praise.

00:39:26.280 You're walking down the street.

00:39:28.220 You have very strange eyesight, I would say.

00:39:31.860 How is he wrong? 0.96

00:39:32.960 I hate the selective ignorance from these people.

00:39:38.340 Like, if you take all of the words out of it, the content of what they're actually saying 0.57

00:39:44.100 is, what?

00:39:45.220 Yeah.

00:39:45.780 Huh?

00:39:46.560 It's literally...

00:39:47.420 What? 1.00

00:39:47.620 Because they're idiots. 1.00

00:39:48.820 But it's not just that. 1.00

00:39:49.520 It's based on one single word.

00:39:51.500 Snobbery.

00:39:52.800 I don't know.

00:39:53.080 Utter snobbery.

00:39:53.900 It is.

00:39:54.900 But it's gone through our history where the elites have always looked down on our working

00:39:59.900 class people. 0.52

00:40:00.800 They've always looked at the hoi polloi as dirty and filthy.

00:40:04.220 We built on the west side of London so we didn't even have to smell them, to be honest,

00:40:07.980 because the wind blows them away in terms of...

00:40:10.460 And that's exactly what they're doing.

00:40:12.120 When I turn around and say, Ian Dale, what country you're looking at, he's looking at

00:40:15.780 the fact that he goes off to a really beautiful house, sits there with all his friends around

00:40:19.180 nice, lovely restaurants that we could only dream to afford of most people nowadays.

00:40:23.140 And that's exactly the sort of world he's in.

00:40:26.500 He doesn't see the high streets enclosed because he's in Harrods.

00:40:30.020 He's in all the nice shops.

00:40:31.080 And if he doesn't, he's abroad.

00:40:32.620 So there's also, like, if you look at the generational difference here, right?

00:40:36.120 Ian Dale, probably about 50, something like that, right?

00:40:38.240 So he's Gen Xer.

00:40:39.960 He's done well.

00:40:40.760 Great for it.

00:40:41.620 Well, yeah.

00:40:42.700 Yeah.

00:40:43.380 He's, as you say, at the top of a series of hierarchies.

00:40:47.700 And Charlie is the sort of hungry zoomer at the bottom, saying, look, I don't see my

00:40:52.900 own country.

00:40:53.380 Whatever you think is out there is in your memory.

00:40:57.280 You know, if I go around and look around, I see Turkish barbers.

00:41:00.980 I see the streets flooded with strangers.

00:41:03.080 And Ian also suggests that these guys are perfectly comfortable with that.

00:41:06.820 They do just see the country as being an interchangeable economic zone.

00:41:11.620 So if every high street is a McDonald's and other international outposts and then a load

00:41:18.300 of foreign-owned shops with nothing recognizably indigenously English in it, that's fine because 1.00

00:41:25.340 to him, that is normal.

00:41:27.060 Yeah.

00:41:27.360 And that's something that he's completely comfortable with because he never really cared

00:41:30.760 about anything other than base consumption anyway.

00:41:33.720 It's not even that.

00:41:35.200 That's a very valuable.

00:41:35.840 It is that, but it's not just that.

00:41:37.580 I think that's interesting.

00:41:38.160 There's a kind of moral consensus that Ian Dale, a conservative, the conservative politician,

00:41:46.140 the new statesman, and the SNP communist have all agreed on.

00:41:51.760 And that's what's happening at the moment is fine.

00:41:54.660 The status quo is the plan.

00:41:57.080 That's what we wanted.

00:41:58.080 And so for Charlie to be like, yeah, but this is awful, absolutely awful, it's really,

00:42:05.000 and he brilliantly articulated there as well, like really clear.

00:42:09.100 And I can't help but feel there are people at home listening to this being like, yeah,

00:42:12.120 no, why does it look like this?

00:42:13.940 And so Ian's like, well, what are you seeing?

00:42:17.180 If we can get to the next one.

00:42:19.420 You've got, was it not Swindon mentioned?

00:42:22.160 Yes.

00:42:22.360 Yeah.

00:42:22.560 Sorry.

00:42:23.160 And so like Ian says, Ian, what are you seeing?

00:42:26.040 And so Charlie's like, okay, well, I'll explain.

00:42:28.560 Well, I don't know if you've been to a town like Swindon recently, Ian.

00:42:31.120 Fun enough, I have.

00:42:32.820 What did you think of it?

00:42:33.520 About two months ago.

00:42:35.580 Well, there we go.

00:42:36.160 And what did you think when you were walking down the high street,

00:42:37.740 when you saw the graffiti, the litter, the boarded up shops, and the, uh,

00:42:40.940 And you blame, you blame that on immigrants, do you?

00:42:44.220 I don't blame it on immigrants.

00:42:45.820 I blame, I blame it on the government,

00:42:47.180 who has permitted this incredibly destructive policy of mass migration,

00:42:50.740 which has...

00:42:51.260 Do you blame it on immigrants?

00:42:52.540 No.

00:42:53.020 There's a very different, there's a, there's a, there's a real difference.

00:42:55.280 Ian, let me finish, let me finish.

00:42:56.220 There's a real difference between blaming immigrants

00:42:59.120 and blaming immigration policy, because I'm blaming the government.

00:43:02.320 Because I think that the people who have come here over the last 30 years

00:43:04.800 are just following incentives.

00:43:05.800 Why wouldn't you want to come to Britain?

00:43:07.100 It's the greatest country in the world.

00:43:08.700 It's a land of opportunity, or at least it was.

00:43:10.560 And so, and, and, but because of the lax approach of this government, of the government for the last 30 years,

00:43:16.340 um, they have essentially sold out that inheritance, um, to, to all of the world.

00:43:21.280 Okay, well, we might come on to some of those issues.

00:43:23.620 You might want to ask some questions on those in a few moments' time.

00:43:28.180 Okay, he feels as though, I'm, I'm tired.

00:43:31.000 Why do I have to deal with children like this?

00:43:33.140 He's got no answer.

00:43:34.020 Because he hasn't got any answer. 1.00

00:43:35.240 He's such an empty-headed dullard. 1.00

00:43:37.320 Yes. 1.00

00:43:37.460 And also, there is, there is also the fact, well, you can blame at least some of it on the immigrants. 0.58

00:43:41.400 There was the, there was the Kenyan meat shop that got shut down for being infested with rats.

00:43:46.340 Why do we have a dozen Turkish barbers? 1.00

00:43:48.400 Who else's fault is that, Ian?

00:43:50.500 Whose fault is that? 0.97

00:43:51.400 Is it the English fault for forcing all of the rats to move it? 1.00

00:43:54.340 No, of course it's not, you fool. 0.98

00:43:56.020 But the, the idea that immigrants are not connected to immigration is a remarkable thing that Ian has achieved here. 0.96

00:44:02.640 He is, well, it can't possibly be any single one of their fault by taking advantage of the fact that they can come over to the country and we'll give them loads of free stuff.

00:44:10.740 They're not to blame.

00:44:11.580 It's like, but, I mean, I understand why Charlie was like, you know, making that distinction thing.

00:44:15.620 But at the end of the day, they are still agents, right?

00:44:18.120 They are people with moral culpability in the actions they take.

00:44:21.520 Well, Ian's trying, Ian's trying to suggest that what's actually happened isn't that you can blame the individual and cumulative actions of people making their own decisions,

00:44:31.760 but instead to some nebulous abstract force that's in the ether.

00:44:37.160 It's austerity, as the SNP.

00:44:39.120 Oh, but he's also trying to open up the door to be able to use the great phrases of racism.

00:44:43.720 Yeah, yeah, you could see where he was going.

00:44:45.320 You could see exactly where his door was.

00:44:47.020 I've seen this with Ian before.

00:44:48.120 He's tried it on the show with me before about it when I talk about exactly the same sort of things.

00:44:52.600 These type of individuals just only get the opportunity for what they think is a gotcha moment by saying, you've turned around immigration.

00:45:01.380 It's the individual.

00:45:02.520 And I could turn around that quite clearly and say, I've got great, you know, mixed race, great family, great people who've got a good job.

00:45:07.600 Yeah, but we're not defending ourselves.

00:45:09.540 Exactly.

00:45:09.960 Not defending ourselves.

00:45:10.660 In terms of that, but I then always point out to what about those who commit crime?

00:45:14.620 How many times have you actually criticised them when they've come over here as foreigners? 1.00

00:45:19.040 And I turn it back on to them because they refuse to accept that immigration can have any negative impacts whatsoever.

00:45:26.220 And it's incumbent upon us to remind them that it does as well each time.

00:45:30.900 And so they move on throughout the rest of the conflict.

00:45:33.820 It's an hour long.

00:45:35.260 He talks about why reform pulling so well.

00:45:37.120 But Charlie does a really great job.

00:45:38.940 For the sake of time, I'll skip that one.

00:45:40.460 And they get to the failure of Brexit, which is a really interesting part.

00:45:44.320 I think that what Brexit actually was, was an expression of, well, total dissatisfaction with the liberal world order and a desire on the part of the public to break with that completely.

00:45:56.820 But that's not what's happened.

00:45:57.720 Actually, what's happened is we have gone even further into that kind of liberal vision of Britain.

00:46:02.680 And it's been just disastrous.

00:46:04.640 It's all feeling very 2018, isn't it?

00:46:06.380 What do you mean by liberal vision of Britain?

00:46:08.260 Well, once again, one where our borders are open, one where we are told that anybody can become British if they just buy into British values, one where our economy is, you know, sort of systematically de-industrialized, where it's impossible for young people to buy a house and so on.

00:46:25.100 Those are policy issues.

00:46:26.740 Steve.

00:46:27.680 Yeah, thanks.

00:46:29.520 Much of that's just policy issues that a government could solve.

00:46:32.080 I agree.

00:46:32.400 It's not part of a wider globalist agenda or anything.

00:46:35.480 These policies are not part of a wider globalist agenda.

00:46:40.320 Of course they are.

00:46:41.660 Purely nonsense.

00:46:42.720 The policies are how the agenda is put into action.

00:46:45.960 Yeah.

00:46:46.200 So to be like, yeah, those things that you don't like, they're just policies, bro.

00:46:49.500 Yeah, I know.

00:46:50.300 Out of a hat.

00:46:50.940 Yeah, but they're not part of a wider globalist agenda or anything.

00:46:54.740 Boris Johnson didn't advertise it as global Britain and then crank open the sluice gates so millions could come here.

00:46:59.520 We broke down a load of silly policies and put them on a dart ball.

00:47:03.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.98

00:47:03.880 That's how we chose them.

00:47:05.160 It's completely unconnected to the wider globalist agenda, I'll have you know.

00:47:08.940 It's just coincidence that it perfectly aligns with the wider globalist agenda.

00:47:12.740 The World Economic Foreign Policy Show.

00:47:15.040 Here we are today.

00:47:16.120 Boris is going to open up the doors.

00:47:18.000 And again, the...

00:47:18.660 It's just policy, bro.

00:47:19.780 The fact that Ian Dale's like, what international liberal order?

00:47:23.100 And it's like, oh, you don't see the water you swim in, right?

00:47:27.440 This is literally...

00:47:28.100 Boris is just lying. 0.99

00:47:28.820 Well, I'm going to assume that he's ignorant for his own... 0.99

00:47:32.580 The sake of my judgment of his character. 1.00

00:47:34.520 Because, Ian Dale, it makes you seem better to be stupid rather than lying. 1.00

00:47:39.300 It's true, Ian. 0.99

00:47:40.920 The idea that Ian's like, I don't understand what you mean by international liberal order.

00:47:45.420 Okay, well, that's fascinating.

00:47:47.040 Considering lots of books are written about it.

00:47:49.000 Well, yeah, but I mean, put all that aside.

00:47:51.460 But that's a fascinating way of revealing why you, the Conservative, agree with the SNP

00:47:57.580 communist, right?

00:47:58.740 You're all just swimming around in the international liberal order.

00:48:01.380 And then you've got a young man like Charlie Downs who comes out and goes, wow, all of this

00:48:04.720 is the problem.

00:48:05.500 And Ian's just like, I don't know what you mean.

00:48:07.920 I thought the guardrails have been prescribed for me some time in the past and I just can't

00:48:13.020 think beyond it.

00:48:13.880 And it just shows the paucity of the mainstream discussion on any of this.

00:48:18.880 Which is why Charlie just curb stomps the lot of them.

00:48:21.740 It'd be interesting to see whether Bike Back Books, which is what he owns, Ian Dale, actually

00:48:25.340 has any book whatsoever on the liberal order.

00:48:27.480 It would be.

00:48:28.600 If any of our audience want to pick that out and we can send it to him.

00:48:32.760 Bike Back Publishing, is that it?

00:48:34.780 Yeah, it's Bike Back Publishing, I think.

00:48:36.460 I'll take a quick look as we're going along.

00:48:38.420 We'll go to the next one because this is the final one.

00:48:41.540 Because you can see at this point that they're desperately saying, well, I mean, I don't

00:48:45.340 know what you mean by liberal order.

00:48:46.380 This is just policy.

00:48:47.300 I mean, there's never a moral incentive behind policy or anything.

00:48:51.080 And Charlie just gets them to the point where they essentially have nothing they can say

00:48:56.700 to him.

00:48:57.640 I think that the purpose of a system is what it does.

00:49:00.560 And the purpose of our justice system, based on that principle, is to protect people like

00:49:04.360 Mike Amesbury and punish people like Lucy Conley.

00:49:08.040 On that by me again?

00:49:09.600 Protect people like Mike Amesbury.

00:49:11.060 Yes, it leads people.

00:49:12.080 He was the MP that was in Runcorn.

00:49:14.840 He punished a constituent.

00:49:16.280 Yes.

00:49:16.560 How did the justice system protect him?

00:49:18.680 Because as we've just heard, he received a 10-week suspended sentence for assaulting

00:49:23.480 a constituent, whereas Lucy Conley posted a tweet and got 31 months.

00:49:28.420 But she was calling for asylum hotel to be burnt down.

00:49:33.000 Yes.

00:49:33.480 And as I've already said, she does deserve to be punished for that because it's an 0.60

00:49:36.380 incitement.

00:49:36.880 But again, which is the more severe of the two crimes?

00:49:39.300 I would say it's Mike Amesbury.

00:49:40.380 Right.

00:49:40.580 Let's move on to another subject.

00:49:43.240 No answer.

00:49:44.180 There's no answer again.

00:49:45.460 Isn't that so beautifully played out, though?

00:49:48.700 Yeah.

00:49:48.920 Like, you know, yeah.

00:49:49.480 Well, the system is designed to protect the Labour MP who beats up a constituent and punish

00:49:55.060 a woman who's distressed about a terrorist attack?

00:49:59.040 Yeah.

00:49:59.140 And he's like, well, how do you think that it does that?

00:50:01.480 Because it didn't send him to jail.

00:50:03.040 Yeah.

00:50:03.280 It didn't, but it sent her to jail.

00:50:04.760 It's so straightforward.

00:50:06.220 It's so obvious.

00:50:07.520 It is not obvious.

00:50:08.280 It's very clear.

00:50:08.940 But Ian just cannot question the system itself.

00:50:12.260 No.

00:50:12.460 He's, no, I'm embedded in this.

00:50:14.480 I can't even stand to talk about this.

00:50:16.620 And you saw the SNP guy just like this.

00:50:19.160 It's like, my God, these people are just mentally captured.

00:50:21.240 It's also performative.

00:50:23.440 Because what it's not, it's not, again, supposed to be answering any of these questions or addressing

00:50:28.720 them.

00:50:28.900 It's just to signal to viewers who are not yet off the reservation that, oh, you're not

00:50:33.820 even supposed to, don't even question this.

00:50:36.820 This is all just so far below us.

00:50:38.940 See, I think you're giving them too much credit, right?

00:50:41.660 I think you're giving them way more credit than they deserve.

00:50:44.440 Are you hoping he was actually just weeping silently?

00:50:46.800 No, no, no, no.

00:50:47.300 He wasn't weeping.

00:50:47.840 I hope he was.

00:50:48.700 I hope he was, like, crying.

00:50:50.160 No, no, no, no.

00:50:51.120 Because I don't think they're as cynical as you think they are, right?

00:50:54.020 I think they're genuinely, because I was a Liberal once.

00:50:58.080 Because they have blinders on.

00:50:59.760 They have, like, mist in front of their eyes.

00:51:01.480 No, no, no.

00:51:01.840 I think you can be sincere in this whilst also being performative in the way that you're

00:51:06.740 showing yourself.

00:51:09.240 Sure.

00:51:09.640 But I think that they genuinely don't know where to go with any of these critiques.

00:51:14.740 I think they genuinely have nothing to do.

00:51:16.280 I think you've got a very important point on there, because a few days before this,

00:51:19.800 we saw, was it Jenny Green, the now Lady or Lord, whatever they call her Jenny Green

00:51:25.140 in the House of Lords, discussing the, they called it the attack by Rupert Lowe on the

00:51:32.800 credibility of Nigel Farage being able to achieve anything in power.

00:51:36.780 And her words were to everybody else, and all, like, nodding dogs, they agreed with

00:51:41.220 it.

00:51:41.500 It's that, I just cannot understand what's into the heads of people who vote reform.

00:51:46.680 I've tried and tried to try to understand where they get their concerns from and what

00:51:51.180 is actually driving them.

00:51:52.920 And I just thought to myself, do you know what, perhaps if we take you out of your lovely

00:51:56.380 house and shove you in this two up, two down, which is surrounded by people throwing boxes 0.94

00:52:01.180 in the streets, hearing the sounds.

00:52:03.200 Or live in Birmingham.

00:52:03.880 You can live there.

00:52:05.060 Why don't you live there on the amounts of money that these people have to live for a 0.98

00:52:08.560 year, then you wouldn't even last a year.

00:52:10.880 You wouldn't even last a month.

00:52:12.340 Oh, and also on Iandale's publishing company, if it's Biteback Publishing, they've got plenty

00:52:17.200 of books on politics.

00:52:18.460 They've got one called The End of America, Post-World Disorder, The New World Disorder,

00:52:23.360 stuff like that.

00:52:24.200 They published Liz Truss' book, Ten Years to Save the West.

00:52:27.400 They've got a number of biographies of people like Margaret Thatcher.

00:52:30.680 So you would expect that the liberal world order, or at least the framework of it, would

00:52:36.080 be discussed plenty in these kinds of books.

00:52:38.640 Or we'll take those links and we'll send them to you.

00:52:41.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:41.640 Maybe you should buy this, Ian.

00:52:43.040 But yeah, so anyway, I just thought Charlie did a superb job of not only presenting the

00:52:47.780 right-wing position in this hostile environment, but also rendering them speechless and unable

00:52:55.700 to engage with anything that he's saying.

00:52:58.120 That shows that there is...

00:52:59.840 Just they'll invite him back.

00:53:01.060 Well, they won't invite him back, I'm sure.

00:53:02.940 Well, but what it shows us is that there's real teeth for the right-wing critique, and

00:53:09.220 the establishment have no answers for it because they themselves are the problem.

00:53:14.100 Let's go on to...

00:53:15.220 Right, so let's find out how brutal our police are. 0.71

00:53:17.320 Yes, and I'll let you carry on with this.

00:53:20.180 I want to begin with this, because this, to me, I woke up on a day which Tuesday ended

00:53:26.640 up being, for me, what I regarded as a very sad and appalling day.

00:53:33.700 And this is the beginning of it.

00:53:35.620 I mean, if we go down on it, it's down on this.

00:53:39.340 This is the time where you get a one-legged, disabled, 92-year-old man who's in a wheelchair 1.00

00:53:44.720 in a care home is actually beaten by our police officers, tasered, screamed at, and then

00:53:53.020 eventually, three weeks later, dies.

00:53:55.620 Okay, I haven't seen this.

00:53:58.300 Okay.

00:53:59.080 I don't think I've seen this.

00:54:00.320 But it just strikes me that a one-legged, 92-year-old, there's probably never a circumstance

00:54:04.960 where he needs to be tasered.

00:54:06.620 Right.

00:54:06.860 Now, if you look at this picture here, there he is, in a chair.

00:54:11.040 This is from the camera of the police officer that tasered him.

00:54:16.320 And you can see in his hand, he has what they called a serrated knife.

00:54:20.840 I imagine that being somebody at 92 may well have also dementia, and anyone who has to understand

00:54:28.020 about dementia is that people with dementia get quite aggressive and quite violent, and

00:54:33.460 specialists should be able to look after him and understand it.

00:54:36.860 Perhaps, as someone said, just throw a blanket over him.

00:54:39.920 That would have actually calmed him down much more quickly than what they did.

00:54:43.480 But that's the position where he is.

00:54:45.280 And here you are.

00:54:46.000 Imagine yourself in this situation where the man is one-legged.

00:54:48.440 He can't really...

00:54:49.040 What is he going to do?

00:54:49.700 Jump up, bounce towards you, and fall over?

00:54:51.440 He wasn't one-legged.

00:54:52.560 He's 92.

00:54:53.420 Yeah.

00:54:53.540 This isn't exactly like one of those American situations where the guy could be reaching

00:54:57.820 for a gun in the glove box, and you've only got a split second to react.

00:55:01.280 No, this is a guy who can't move.

00:55:03.440 He's in a care home, and he'd actually been wheeled back.

00:55:06.500 With the knife in his hand, by one of the care home workers, into that position in there.

00:55:12.140 And the police come in.

00:55:13.360 This is him, Donald Burgess.

00:55:16.120 And now, I want to say, I don't know how to get the...

00:55:19.360 To play this, Samson.

00:55:20.640 I don't know if you can do that for us.

00:55:23.000 But watch this now.

00:55:24.920 And it almost brings tears to your eyes.

00:55:27.440 If you are going to be...

00:55:28.320 I'm going to say, some people may find it.

00:55:29.920 I found it particularly distressing.

00:55:32.060 Because of what they did to this man.

00:55:34.400 I am disgusted by that woman. 1.00

00:55:38.040 And disgusted by the man, and I hope all of us are, to be able to see that.

00:55:43.380 Again, why were they...

00:55:44.420 Why were the police involved in this situation in the first place?

00:55:47.260 Is it just because he was an old dementia patient who was refusing to put a knife down?

00:55:51.080 What was the call about...

00:55:52.080 Yeah, so...

00:55:52.840 I can't have a note if they say, small serrated cutlery knife.

00:55:55.920 Yes.

00:55:56.780 Look at this.

00:55:57.380 Butter knife.

00:55:57.920 It's not a Somalian sword that you see in the streets of Sheffield.

00:56:01.720 It's not a machete.

00:56:02.600 It's not a machete that they allow to, you know, effectively crack on with.

00:56:06.780 This is what is effectively a butter knife.

00:56:08.840 And Staff said there, he was seen poking a care worker in the stomach with a knife after flicking food at her.

00:56:14.820 That dangerous act of flicking food at her, you know?

00:56:18.100 Yeah.

00:56:18.640 Exactly what you'd expect from someone who's 92, who's got dementia, in that chair.

00:56:24.160 And they called him, and they wheeled him back to his room and tried for half an hour to calm him down.

00:56:29.700 He didn't look that aggressive to me.

00:56:30.960 No, it's a button. I think you can just take it off of it.

00:56:32.640 You could have just anyone with any sense.

00:56:34.500 And I've spoken to people who worked in care homes.

00:56:37.320 I've spoken to people who have been in situations like that.

00:56:41.520 And all of them have almost been in tears over this particular scenario.

00:56:46.640 And I wanted to say that, first of all, these two people, the police officers in here,

00:56:52.040 and I like to say this is important for us to call out actually who they are.

00:56:56.500 I say that whether it's the leaders of a council, whether it's the people who've ignored the rape gang victims,

00:57:01.960 these individuals, every individual has a responsibility.

00:57:04.980 And you have poor PC Smith here is one of those officers there, and Komoto is another of them.

00:57:13.640 She's the female officer who tasered her. 1.00

00:57:15.680 And if you listen to her voice, I got a sense that she was almost loving it.

00:57:20.380 She was almost excited.

00:57:21.580 It was almost like titillating for her to be able to taser a 92-year-old man.

00:57:27.120 If I was a member of her family, she should be shunned by this.

00:57:29.940 This is exactly the sort of characteristics we have in Britain to turn around and say,

00:57:34.480 how dare you do that?

00:57:35.820 There's nothing, nothing to me that says they're right.

00:57:39.640 Let's assume that, okay, yeah, this guy has a really sharp knife.

00:57:43.260 He's 92.

00:57:44.360 Just close the door and come back in an hour.

00:57:46.480 He's going to fall asleep.

00:57:47.940 I mean, there was also, I mean, I know it sounds silly, but a knife that looked that blunt,

00:57:53.820 maybe just put like an oven mitt on.

00:57:55.780 Yeah.

00:57:56.380 Take it off him.

00:57:57.240 There are any number of ways that this could have gone about.

00:57:59.500 Grab his wrist.

00:58:00.680 So they are being prosecuted at the moment.

00:58:03.000 Oh, good.

00:58:03.360 I think they're in Southwark Crown Court.

00:58:05.180 I don't really know what's happening with the trial on that.

00:58:07.780 I kind of feel that they feel like they're American cops.

00:58:10.460 There he is.

00:58:11.200 This is the individual who did it.

00:58:13.600 Look at him.

00:58:14.360 But you heard his aggressive voice to him.

00:58:16.700 I mean, what excitement did he get?

00:58:18.240 Put it down, put it down.

00:58:19.480 Did he not have any sense about him to shouting at someone with dementia?

00:58:23.420 And that's her in front of him who did the taser.

00:58:26.660 Take a look.

00:58:27.460 What did he do?

00:58:28.020 Did your College of Policing have a special session on how to deal with one-legged disabled people in a wheelchair to taser, taser, taser that loud? 1.00

00:58:37.420 And I'm utterly, utterly disgusted by this in many ways.

00:58:41.440 So I just thought, well, I'm going to take that and have a look on, you know, how we look at policing in this country.

00:58:48.800 And I think here I then started to look at the numbers.

00:58:52.560 And we've got apparently hundreds of police officers have been sacked each year for bad behaviour.

00:58:58.500 And if we go down here, just 600 officers dismissed in the last 12 months, 400 a year ago.

00:59:05.380 We've got possession of indecent images of children, 33 for abusing their position of sexual purpose.

00:59:13.140 It's less than 0.5% of the workforce.

00:59:16.780 And I will always emphasise, again, because I know people in the police force myself, that the vast majority of them do go into this to work really hard to try and do the right thing for us, to protect ourselves from serious crime.

00:59:30.560 And many of them are feeling the pressure of the woke system above them.

00:59:34.060 But the thing is, there's been a drive to recruit police officers.

00:59:37.580 Yes.

00:59:38.660 Didn't they say they wanted 20,000 new police officers or something like that?

00:59:41.440 Yeah, and a lot of them they want coming straight from university rather than coming down.

00:59:44.920 The standards are going down.

00:59:46.000 Yeah.

00:59:46.380 And while at the same time, a lot of these, by the sounds of it, they don't give the exact number, but in that same paragraph, they say,

00:59:51.620 groups of officers punished for sharing deeply offensive WhatsApp messages.

00:59:56.740 Yeah.

00:59:57.940 So what will that be?

00:59:59.000 Offensive memes?

00:59:59.880 Yeah, we've seen examples of it.

01:00:01.260 Yeah.

01:00:01.380 We've seen that sort of thing that come here.

01:00:03.060 They go on and it's like, you know, one, no, pick out always one, like David Garrick.

01:00:09.480 And I see that.

01:00:11.820 And then I come across to the next one.

01:00:13.800 I thought, right, okay, let's start looking in the official statistics.

01:00:16.620 It's always more useful to do this.

01:00:19.360 And if we can come down on here, I found this page really fascinating because it breaks them down into thousands.

01:00:28.700 It wasn't the numbers that we just saw.

01:00:30.960 It was 96,000 misconduct offences by police officers last year alone.

01:00:37.660 96,000?

01:00:38.920 Yes.

01:00:39.260 And they break them down into these groups of what they call them in comparisons, formal misconducts here for individuals in 1,698 for misconduct proceedings.

01:00:50.620 And when we break them down to types of misconduct, different types of hearings, they go through this.

01:01:00.880 And allegations, 97,000 police officers under Schedule 3 complaints.

01:01:06.720 Well, I hadn't enough time to really wonder what Schedule 3 complaints were, how you broke it down.

01:01:13.540 But I just wanted people to, if you just wanted to glance at some of the types of offences and the numbers.

01:01:20.080 And again, we talk about the numbers of police officers, 147,000, but we're looking near 100,000 offences.

01:01:29.280 That's almost one for one.

01:01:31.500 At least the allegations.

01:01:33.080 Yes, the allegations.

01:01:33.960 I can tell you anecdotally that a friend of mine at the end of last year stopped working as a police officer and moved to a different career instead, which is a real shame because I've known him most of my life and he always wanted to be a police officer.

01:01:47.780 But he said one of the major reasons was that the people that he was working with, that they were hiring, were not up to standard and he couldn't trust them to have his back.

01:01:57.480 And he was not liking the way that he was being policed within the police itself because of the fact that he was somebody who was working in Stoke, who had to deal with a lot of the problems that happen in certain communities around Stoke that he wasn't able to deal with properly.

01:02:15.500 Yeah, and I think a lot of this, if I started to delve into the complaints, the conducts and the audible conduct manners that are going against the police officers, I bet there is a racial element to it.

01:02:30.280 Well, one of the other things, and I should be careful not to give too much information, but basically one of the other problems was that with a lot of the women coming into the force, 1.00

01:02:41.660 a lot of them file frivolous complaints against male officers.

01:02:46.900 He was subject to one because he had been very short with a female officer when she was not driving properly, when he was taking her on her first drive around.

01:02:57.000 And she filed a complaint against him for that, for misconduct, abusive behavior.

01:03:01.060 Because I think she failed to signal or failed to do something with the lights, and he was like, don't do that, was just very direct about it.

01:03:09.120 Apparently, that was enough for her to start trying to make complaints about it. 1.00

01:03:12.480 Well, I wouldn't be surprised, and that's similar to the sort of stories I've had about the old guard and what they're called in the new guard and why they don't want to stay for very long.

01:03:19.840 And I said, I just printed this out for people just to understand the level of complaints that are being made.

01:03:25.480 How many police officers are there?

01:03:27.140 About 147,000.

01:03:28.860 So that's my point.

01:03:29.440 So I have 147,000 police.

01:03:31.080 There have been 97,000 allegations made against them.

01:03:34.100 Yes, last year.

01:03:35.400 In one year?

01:03:36.680 Last year.

01:03:37.020 Yeah, 75%.

01:03:38.100 That is.

01:03:39.220 In one year.

01:03:40.080 Unbelievable.

01:03:40.840 And obviously, there's a lot more research to go into finding out what the complaints are, what the allegations are,

01:03:46.780 how many individuals were involved in that, could a police officer have had like 10 complaints made against them.

01:03:51.920 Yeah, well, they must have done.

01:03:53.360 And that's my suspicion.

01:03:55.960 But the idea is that we've either got people complaining so heavily against police officers for exactly the same sort of reasons your friend are,

01:04:02.520 or I think concerted developments by community groups that complain about actions so that they can control it.

01:04:08.120 So a bit of research behind who the individuals being complained are about, what race nationality they are,

01:04:14.120 against the people making the allegations.

01:04:15.820 But I'm going to move on now to the criminal proceedings.

01:04:21.580 Just interesting on this, because I'm linking this now to the story that we have.

01:04:26.520 There were actually 227 criminal proceedings related to 133 unique police officers last year.

01:04:33.340 In one year.

01:04:33.880 In one year.

01:04:34.980 And I think that's quite a lot of police officers to be charged with criminal proceedings.

01:04:39.220 It seems like a lot to me.

01:04:40.800 And we know the results in there.

01:04:43.620 And is it related to, and again, it's the sort of research I could go in, it's not quite the type of area I've looked at,

01:04:50.500 but I thought, you know, there's a criminality about this.

01:04:53.220 We've seen the police officers that have got involved with drugs gangsters.

01:04:57.840 We've seen the head of a prison connected to drug gangsters.

01:05:03.020 All of this is now becoming more and more relevant and prevalent, I think, by looking at the statistics.

01:05:10.660 This was just something that I think people will have to look at when we're doing analysis of research.

01:05:15.640 Always try and look at some of the main facts and figures.

01:05:18.900 We've got 140,000 there in police officers full-time.

01:05:26.160 Ethnicity is only known for 136,000.

01:05:28.840 Somehow we don't know the ethnicity of four.

01:05:31.360 We've got now 91% and 8.1% Asian, black, mixed and other, which is...

01:05:36.660 So that's totally disproportionate.

01:05:38.520 Yes.

01:05:38.760 Yeah, and again, if you look at the senior police officers, the numbers are creeping up from mixed and ethnic groups in terms of that.

01:05:48.240 The percentage of police officers, England and Wales in 2021 census there, is now 18.3% from an ethnic minority background.

01:05:57.580 So in certain areas, I can imagine that there is an excessive number of ethnic minority backgrounds compared to the white communities for the research.

01:06:06.840 But it all goes to the kind of level of change that's happening in the police officers and the community there, but also the change in the complaints.

01:06:17.980 Is there a correlation that we've got between this?

01:06:21.980 And I just wanted to try and look at some of this.

01:06:24.480 This is some of the individual misconduct proceedings and take the numbers of that.

01:06:29.680 The white community there, you'd expect to have bigger numbers, 584, 335, 272.

01:06:37.860 But the percentage of the numbers of the black, mixed and Asian is bigger in percentage terms.

01:06:45.020 And bigger in percentage terms per capita of the individuals as well.

01:06:50.060 Not trying to say that all of them are committing crimes, but again, is it because we've got this accelerated programs to bring people in who may not necessarily have had a desire to be a police officer and it's just because it's woke?

01:07:03.720 Maybe. It could be racism.

01:07:06.400 Again, from what I've been told, the actual standards for onboarding people into the police system have completely deteriorated.

01:07:16.340 I saw, what's the name of the police chief, the Met police chief, who was saying they specifically want to recruit from minority communities to represent them.

01:07:25.020 And it's like, okay, but that's not what the...

01:07:26.420 Was it West Yorkshire police as well saying they didn't hire white police officers?

01:07:30.040 That was right. Sorry, you're right. That was the one.

01:07:32.980 And it's just like, but this isn't a political arm of the state.

01:07:36.840 This is meant to be a neutral arm of the state that's preserving law and order.

01:07:40.420 So representation is not the question.

01:07:43.200 Efficacy is the question.

01:07:44.780 Desire and honesty.

01:07:46.340 And without a doubt, you, again, a friend of mine is a black police officer, very, very good one, gets fed up with seeing people being promoted.

01:07:56.640 In his view, not because they've got talent, but because they've got the right kind of skills that are required by the chief constable, in his words.

01:08:06.560 Schmoozes. 1.00

01:08:07.040 Yes, and I think to a certain extent, this is something that's causing police officers a huge amount of concern and links over to why we get the first instance of individuals that are willing to go for it.

01:08:23.140 Now, of course, no story about police officers wouldn't be the same without the fact that it's all about police brutality in the UK is down to race.

01:08:33.020 So here we have, this all goes back to the Stephen Lawrence situation.

01:08:37.000 Absolutely.

01:08:38.280 Yeah, right there.

01:08:39.640 There you go.

01:08:39.920 This is what I'm going to go.

01:08:40.640 In the first line, over 20 years since the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, in which if you...

01:08:44.220 Next paragraph.

01:08:44.860 In the wake of the murder of George Floyd.

01:08:46.460 Something that didn't even happen here.

01:08:48.420 Swarmed with images of police violence.

01:08:50.100 And again, if you actually look at the Stephen Lawrence inquiry as well, all of the reports from it were just that, yeah, it's institutionally racist.

01:08:57.440 The police are institutionally racist with nothing to actually back it up.

01:09:00.500 No.

01:09:00.640 With no counter-arguments given to show this is how it would have been dealt differently if Stephen Lawrence was a different race, that they would have followed it up.

01:09:09.380 And from what I saw, the actual original investigation into Stephen Lawrence's death, they didn't really have all that much to follow up on in the first place.

01:09:18.500 People were just, the family were just annoyed that they had a few witnesses who said, oh, it was a white group of kids that did it.

01:09:25.680 Yeah.

01:09:25.820 That they didn't have enough evidence to follow up on properly.

01:09:28.900 But that's how police work is.

01:09:30.440 If you don't have the evidence, you can't do much with it.

01:09:33.440 Yeah.

01:09:34.200 They then said it was institutionally racist that they didn't pursue this to the nth degree.

01:09:38.300 And that's why we've ended up with some such changes in there.

01:09:41.260 But I wanted to point this out because this is always the background image now that's going through the police force.

01:09:48.680 At the background, the crime is being undertaken and the police force is aggressive and violent, but it's only against black people.

01:09:58.060 I didn't see a black person who was a 92-year-old one-legged wheelchair person there being tasered by two white police officers there.

01:10:05.900 I don't see the George Floyd marches on the streets over that.

01:10:09.840 I don't see the anger on the Ian Dale shows about this.

01:10:13.960 Why?

01:10:14.520 To me, it looked like just ranking competence.

01:10:18.600 Yeah.

01:10:18.780 Two people who weren't really fit for the job given weapons.

01:10:22.980 But if that person was a black 92-year-old individual, it would be coming down to here, institutional racism.

01:10:31.340 Again, as we always say, the violence of police against the criminal is against black individuals in this country.

01:10:38.000 And, you know, I thought, well, again, let's look at the evidence.

01:10:41.400 I've just shown you the evidence of the police officers, the evidence of the misconducts or the percentages of the people involved in that.

01:10:46.620 Then we go to the deaths in police custody.

01:10:51.340 1,927 deaths in police custody or otherwise since 1990.

01:10:56.940 Actually, to be fair, it's pretty difficult to go all the way back to 1990.

01:11:00.420 I tried to do the research on this.

01:11:02.820 And this comes from the inquest.org.

01:11:06.360 And they're actually pretty...

01:11:07.980 Oh, sorry.

01:11:08.900 I need to go back.

01:11:09.760 Previous to that.

01:11:10.920 They're actually pretty decent on here.

01:11:13.460 They get custody shootings, pursuits from this.

01:11:16.040 I've looked into this previously.

01:11:17.820 Will it shock you to learn that actually it's disproportionately working-class white men?

01:11:22.780 Exactly what I'm about to show you.

01:11:23.780 Would that shock you?

01:11:24.780 No, no.

01:11:25.260 No, of course not.

01:11:26.220 So they're pretty good.

01:11:27.540 They go down here.

01:11:28.720 They list them all.

01:11:29.800 And, again, you can find this out in a different form of statistics.

01:11:33.380 But I thought it was fascinating to try and look across the actual ethnicity of this.

01:11:37.900 So I follow up for anybody who wants to know that this kind of organization,

01:11:42.320 the Independent Office of Police Conduct.

01:11:44.060 I've got here just up on the line 2022-2023.

01:11:47.620 When you run through this, it doesn't do the backdated stats in this.

01:11:51.480 It doesn't do the whole years of, say, 2000 or 1990.

01:11:55.100 You have to go each individual report to find the numbers on ethnicity related to who was impacted by it

01:12:02.060 and build up your own charts.

01:12:03.960 But if people wanted to find out real stories about the stats on crime

01:12:08.160 and who's been shot and killed by the police, it's in this report for each year.

01:12:13.340 So I listed it up there as a form of evidence of where we get our details from

01:12:17.940 because no one's going to claim the right and not looking at the left's evidence.

01:12:22.000 And here we are.

01:12:22.560 So this is exactly where we've got deaths in custody since 2015.

01:12:28.240 Pretty much relatively small numbers in terms of here.

01:12:32.220 But the deaths of the D, the whites are the whites, the blacks are blacks, Asians are mixed. 0.98

01:12:38.560 So minorities, basically. 0.91

01:12:40.680 Yes.

01:12:41.020 All right.

01:12:41.580 Take a look at the numbers.

01:12:42.560 15, 18 died in custody.

01:12:45.600 16 whites, 2 blacks.

01:12:47.540 14 in 2016, 11, 3.

01:12:50.200 You could see the numbers are disproportionately in both gross terms and percentage terms.

01:12:58.100 Apart from potentially, you could argue 2019, which is a period where we had a lot of terrorist bombs.

01:13:05.740 I think 2017 is the year you're referring to where we have seven deaths in the mixed categories.

01:13:10.740 Apart from that one.

01:13:11.780 But we had a lot of terrorist activities going on there.

01:13:14.560 So I kind of drew a little graph just to show people there.

01:13:18.160 That's how significant are our deaths.

01:13:20.880 Whites to blacks in terms of this. 0.92

01:13:23.300 White, blacks, Asians are mixed.

01:13:25.680 The stats don't show that we've got institutional racism about deaths in custody.

01:13:30.320 No.

01:13:31.120 By our police forces in here, in our country.

01:13:34.280 May well be different in the United States.

01:13:35.960 Do not have the stats for that.

01:13:38.160 And if I go next, then I do deaths by police shooting.

01:13:41.100 Because, of course, we've all got our George Floyds. 0.86

01:13:44.580 Remember when they went and shot that black man and went after... 0.67

01:13:48.060 They wanted to turn...

01:13:49.460 I've forgotten his name, but it was the Londoner who was trying to run over the police officers who got shot in the head.

01:13:55.380 I covered it a few times.

01:13:56.420 They desperately wanted to make him the British George Floyd.

01:13:59.720 Absolutely.

01:14:00.600 But the weight of evidence was against them for that.

01:14:03.780 And again, here we are from 2015.

01:14:06.180 There's a date we've gone back.

01:14:07.460 I can show you the number of deaths by shooting, thankfully, by our police, is relatively low.

01:14:13.280 The biggest in there is 2016.

01:14:16.160 And it's a relatively one-third, two-thirds split between them, which is a bit more abnormal in terms of those numbers.

01:14:23.740 But look at the fact it's mainly white people who are shot by the police, both in gross terms and percentage terms.

01:14:30.940 The only one is 2021.

01:14:32.080 I'll talk about that.

01:14:33.320 It's because the other person who was shot by the police, there was an indeterminate race.

01:14:37.460 They couldn't work out who that was.

01:14:39.100 It does tend to vary year on year.

01:14:42.480 By the way, 2019, it was all people of ethnic minority backgrounds.

01:14:46.740 Yeah, they were the terrorists that we shot, I think, outside Southwark.

01:14:50.660 Of course.

01:14:51.360 And when you're talking about such small figures, it's almost irrelevant to try and figure out statistical patterns.

01:14:57.240 Because the situations that they find themselves in are going to be so different each time.

01:15:01.360 So, again, if we look at the graphs on there, yes, there's a bit more in terms of the numbers, in terms of a balance.

01:15:07.100 But this is not showing a police force that's institutionally racist.

01:15:12.900 It's not showing a police force that actively goes out and shoots people of colour compared to those of whites about it.

01:15:20.180 What it does show is that our police force actually don't shoot as many people.

01:15:24.360 There aren't as many deaths, thankfully, in custody.

01:15:27.720 There's another bit of research that I can add on that will probably add a little bit more in terms of numbers per year.

01:15:33.720 But over a whole, what it does show is that there is an attitude changing in our police force

01:15:39.080 that results in people like a 92-year-old being tasered, battened, pepper sprayed whilst he's in a wheelchair.

01:15:46.840 And I want to dispel the argument that we've got racism in our police force based on the numbers of deaths in custody.

01:15:54.220 That doesn't happen, but I'm not going to dispel the fact that we've got a change in our police force

01:15:58.480 that needs to change when they're doing things like that.

01:16:01.560 And that's what I wanted to bring people to understand today.

01:16:05.360 Let's have the evidence to fight back against the left.

01:16:08.420 Let's provide them with the research whenever someone comes up with a George Floyd argument

01:16:12.140 or institutional racism in the police.

01:16:14.500 It isn't there.

01:16:15.200 In fact, the numbers are beginning to show the opposite.

01:16:18.880 Samson, have we got video comments today?

01:16:22.800 Which we do.

01:16:24.700 Before we get to them though, Dirty Belter says,

01:16:27.920 Speaking as an Englishman with a Brazilian mother,

01:16:29.820 it's very common even now for Britain to be seen as a rich nation where everyone lives in abundance.

01:16:34.580 In a sense, the rest of the world is stuck seeing after the image of the British Empire,

01:16:38.740 like how one sees a blot in the vision after looking at the sun.

01:16:41.060 It will not last and I worry how it will be treated when it's worn off.

01:16:45.740 Let's go to the video comments.

01:16:47.100 Malawians have a reason to celebrate Donald Trump cutting USAID. 1.00

01:16:54.880 The International Fund for Animal Welfare says it has stopped $5 million worth of projects

01:17:00.600 in southern Africa.

01:17:01.340 This includes the release of 263 elephants in Kasunga National Park,

01:17:06.100 which has led to the death of 12 people,

01:17:08.520 orphaning 60 children and impoverishing 11,500 people because of elephant crop damage.

01:17:14.620 locals have killed more than 40 of the elephants.

01:17:20.460 I don't know.

01:17:24.580 Next one.

01:17:30.620 Name of the band.

01:17:31.480 That's good.

01:17:32.080 Surprise.

01:17:32.800 Yes, thank you.

01:17:33.360 Okay.

01:17:33.560 Okay.

01:17:34.560 Okay.

01:17:35.560 Okay.

01:17:35.580 Okay.

01:17:35.660 Okay.

01:17:36.560 Okay.

01:17:37.560 Okay.

01:17:38.560 Okay.

01:17:39.560 Okay.

01:17:40.560 Okay.

01:17:41.560 Okay.

01:17:42.560 Okay.

01:17:43.560 Okay.

01:17:44.560 I've never heard of any of these bands.

01:17:57.900 Well, you've heard of Metallica.

01:17:59.100 Oh, yeah.

01:17:59.540 Okay.

01:17:59.680 Yeah.

01:18:00.320 I'm, I, I'm, the only band that you showed there that I actually actively listen to is Metallica.

01:18:05.500 The rest of them are bands.

01:18:07.160 They sound like bands that I would see at the festival.

01:18:09.200 Is that a group fight at the end?

01:18:10.820 No, it's a mosh pit.

01:18:11.700 It's a mosh pit.

01:18:12.660 Yeah.

01:18:12.860 Well, I'm sure I saw someone with a right hook. 0.99

01:18:15.000 Oh, well, that's crowd killing.

01:18:17.460 Oh. 0.83

01:18:17.820 They're the worst. 1.00

01:18:18.760 I hate those guys. 0.98

01:18:20.080 Uh, the mosh pit is supposed to be like a communal exercise of, of aggression where you 0.90

01:18:23.960 all just run and bump into one another.

01:18:26.000 But the crowd killers need as much space as possible because they kind of do like a metal breakdance

01:18:32.040 where they throw, they throw fists and start kicking wildly into the air.

01:18:35.780 I have seen people get just booted in the face before by people who do that.

01:18:40.380 And it's the worst thing.

01:18:42.340 I, I would never wish violence on anybody except crowd killers. 1.00

01:18:46.280 For someone who did breakdancing, the idea of metal breakdancing, now that's just going

01:18:50.060 through my head.

01:18:50.560 It's just people throwing fists for no reason.

01:18:53.860 Like shadow boxing against their inner demons.

01:18:57.180 Next one.

01:18:57.740 It is important to know that humanoid robot videos you see online are promotional.

01:19:02.640 They only upload the best clips, so most of the time they fall down.

01:19:06.140 We saw something similar back in the mid-20-teens when a bunch of companies made mechs in response

01:19:10.720 to the upcoming Megabots vs. Kratos fight.

01:19:13.360 But when that fight happened and faced with the reality, the machines couldn't live up

01:19:16.720 to the hype.

01:19:17.380 And this made it all the harder for mech builders in the future to work in the industry.

01:19:21.920 Or lack thereof.

01:19:22.860 Yeah, physics isn't working as I was promised by Hollywood movies.

01:19:31.840 Another one, Samson? 0.55

01:19:36.520 George says, normally foreigners shouldn't be entitled to housing or using the NHS since

01:19:40.700 they haven't contributed anything to the system.

01:19:42.820 The only possible reason that they are is for them to flood the country.

01:19:47.400 Stopping the benefits will stop the majority of the invaders.

01:19:49.960 That's true.

01:19:50.740 Like, we should just be turning off the taps.

01:19:52.220 I don't know why we even need to have that conversation, really.

01:19:56.560 Lars says, the SNP guy talking about Charlie's appearance.

01:20:00.080 I don't know what you're on about.

01:20:01.200 After Tim Pool's podcast with Adam Conover, the term weaponized ignorance is something

01:20:05.060 we need to get familiar with.

01:20:06.940 I have seen a few clips from that Tim Pool appearance where Tim is just, ironically enough,

01:20:12.720 bringing up the rape gangs.

01:20:14.380 And Conover just goes, I don't even know why we're talking about this.

01:20:18.120 And kind of performatively buries his head in his hands as well.

01:20:21.180 That's why I'm saying it's performative, because they all seem to have this same conditioned

01:20:25.460 response to it, which is, this is not to be responded with.

01:20:28.640 You put on this show of exasperation because, oh, I can't believe you're even thinking to

01:20:33.220 bring this up.

01:20:34.300 Like, it's low class.

01:20:36.140 Yeah, that's definitely...

01:20:36.940 Adam Conover definitely was doing that.

01:20:38.780 I'm not sure that the chap on Ian Dale's show was, but Conover was definitely doing that.

01:20:44.320 Robert says, Charlie shows the Westminster bubble in real time that the belief that if

01:20:48.420 it works inside the M25, it works everywhere else, because they believe we are all the same

01:20:52.980 and we are interchangeable.

01:20:53.840 The problem is you have to look at one another to see that we are not the same.

01:20:57.020 We are all different.

01:20:58.560 That Texas gal says, speaking of giving your country away, I saw your government quietly sold

01:21:02.620 your fishing rights to Europe this week.

01:21:04.660 Yeah, it wasn't so quiet.

01:21:05.820 I mean, everyone knows that it's happened, but it's only 12 years.

01:21:11.300 What difference could 12 years make?

01:21:14.320 Let's ask the Tories.

01:21:15.780 I just can't.

01:21:16.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:21:18.540 Oh, I'm just so used to...

01:21:19.660 Just another knife in the back, frankly.

01:21:22.520 Small L Libertarian, £160 for a two-hour train ride.

01:21:26.160 I travelled halfway across Victoria by train for, like, $40, and that was a two-and-a-half-hour

01:21:31.080 train ride.

01:21:31.860 Yeah, I know.

01:21:32.480 It's because they own our trains, and so they just ratchet up the price.

01:21:36.260 There are charts that show comparisons of British train prices to European train prices for

01:21:42.060 the same journeys.

01:21:43.740 Ours are at least, like, five times higher than the next.

01:21:47.820 Yeah, the SMP guy's like, what are you saying?

01:21:49.440 The British state isn't looking after the British people.

01:21:52.200 The thing is, as well, okay, if you want to encourage public transport, you want to

01:21:56.140 encourage people to not drive around as much for carbon emission reasons or whatever,

01:22:00.560 okay, make the price of public transport more affordable, because bus prices are going up

01:22:05.700 as well.

01:22:06.160 Everything is getting more expensive.

01:22:08.160 It's more expensive to take a train from Glasgow or Edinburgh to London than it is to take a

01:22:15.280 plane.

01:22:16.040 Yeah.

01:22:16.160 And I've seen people, like EcoWarriors on Instagram, posting about this, saying, the

01:22:21.200 carbon emissions are so much worse if you take a plane, take the train instead.

01:22:24.340 Yeah, well, the train ticket is probably going to cost you three or four times as much as

01:22:29.020 the plane ticket will for that same journey.

01:22:30.960 So why would they take the train?

01:22:32.840 It's about 20 quid to go from 15 minutes from here to Didcot.

01:22:37.080 It's like, that's more than a pound a minute.

01:22:38.560 This is crazy.

01:22:40.220 You know, it's absolutely crazy.

01:22:41.940 And so, yeah, we're just getting totally shafted, basically.

01:22:44.340 Daniel says, what the hell?

01:22:46.360 In my time working in a care home, I had a button knife and a cup thrown at me. 0.99

01:22:49.540 Those cops should be put in prison. 0.99

01:22:51.120 Everything they did made the situation worse.

01:22:52.740 That made my blood boil.

01:22:53.900 Yeah.

01:22:54.160 It's exactly what I've said.

01:22:55.100 It's insufferable to watch.

01:22:56.180 I know lots of people who've worked at care homes.

01:22:58.380 It doesn't sound like a nice job when you're dealing with dementia-ridden patients, but

01:23:01.680 they've put up with a lot worse than a guy with a butter knife.

01:23:05.120 I know.

01:23:05.380 Just take it off him.

01:23:06.480 Yeah.

01:23:07.100 Not a Fed says, if you attack a burglar with a baseball bat, that's some reasonable

01:23:10.000 force and you go to jail.

01:23:11.320 If you're a police officer, you can taser and beat a disabled old man. 1.00

01:23:14.420 I hope these police officers face justice, but I'm not feeling optimistic.

01:23:16.920 No, but again, it's just the way that the system works.

01:23:22.280 Zesty says, the police only use force against those they won't get a backlash for hurting.

01:23:26.940 Now, this, I think, is coming to your point of the police being excessively politically

01:23:30.780 correct.

01:23:32.260 They know that if they hurt a Pakistani Muslim, there will be consequences by the wider group

01:23:35.300 and therefore consequences for them.

01:23:37.060 The indigenous English, on the other hand, is fair game, which is why the stats look like

01:23:40.520 they do.

01:23:43.200 Arizona Deseret says, they're talking too fast.

01:23:45.500 He can't process what they're saying.

01:23:47.060 Exactly.

01:23:47.500 And I think so, because he looked just confused.

01:23:49.500 His eyes were glazed.

01:23:50.400 He was looking over.

01:23:51.120 What's going on?

01:23:51.920 When they said something, he was like, okay, yeah, time to pepper spray it, boys.

01:23:56.480 That will really help.

01:23:57.820 Good God, man.

01:23:59.500 Anyway, Colin says, to be fair, quite a number of these complaints against police officers

01:24:02.460 may well be either frivolous or intended to at the very least muddy the waters in specific

01:24:06.940 cases.

01:24:07.840 How many tweets and the like are considered politically incorrect?

01:24:11.140 And that's a fair objection, obviously.

01:24:13.340 We don't know.

01:24:14.160 Yeah, the data doesn't break it down to politically frivolous complaints.

01:24:18.660 Although, of course, as said, my friend experienced that directly from some of the woman police

01:24:24.080 officer, a woman police officer. 0.88

01:24:26.100 And that whole situation, I don't mean to make light of it, does remind me of the little

01:24:30.020 Sam Hyde clip where he's saying, you get pulled over by a female cop, you best have 1.00

01:24:34.440 your Kevlar on you.

01:24:35.660 You best make sure you've got a bulletproof vest.

01:24:38.000 She's not going to take any prisoners.

01:24:39.760 She's going to reach for a taser. 1.00

01:24:41.000 She's going to pick up a gun by accident. 1.00

01:24:42.840 Yeah, the gun's going to go off.

01:24:44.860 Yeah, no, no.

01:24:46.300 Exactly.

01:24:47.020 Exactly.

01:24:48.140 And Anne says, Charlie did an amazing job on LBC.

01:24:50.600 Please have him on again soon.

01:24:52.380 I think he might be coming on Friday, actually.

01:24:55.000 He is.

01:24:55.640 Oh, there we go.

01:24:56.320 So, yeah.

01:24:56.920 He'll be on Friday.

01:24:57.920 There you go.

01:24:58.700 So, yeah.

01:24:59.120 Don't say that we didn't think about this.

01:25:00.760 And KO says, you tea chuggers claim you can't fight tyrannical government because you 1.00

01:25:04.540 don't have a Second Amendment.

01:25:05.160 We've never said that.

01:25:06.760 Apparently, all you need, though, to bring the government to its knees is a butter knife.

01:25:12.400 Well, I mean, I don't want to get pepper sprayed and tasered.

01:25:15.020 People have literally been arrested for it before.

01:25:18.180 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:18.760 Even if you try to do a joke where we're all wheeled in wheelchairs and we still know we're

01:25:22.080 going to get pulled.

01:25:22.540 I think one of the, sadly, tragically, one of the family members of the victims at Southport

01:25:28.680 last year, presumably coached by the government, has started calling for a ban on sharp knives,

01:25:35.660 like cut the edges off of knives or something.

01:25:37.980 Just, okay.

01:25:39.480 I can't imagine that a normal person experiencing what they experience would come to that conclusion

01:25:46.520 themselves.

01:25:47.440 I can't imagine that without a little bit of government nudging that they would come

01:25:51.840 to that conclusion.

01:25:52.720 It just doesn't answer the question.

01:25:54.380 So when they do their annual events at the Dorchester and they get their steak knives out, how difficult

01:25:58.840 it's going to be doing with, they give them a plastic one instead.

01:26:01.780 Don't think that's going to happen, is it?

01:26:03.280 I need to open a box.

01:26:04.420 Unfortunately, I don't have a sharp knife to pierce the film on it.

01:26:06.920 I guess it's closed forever.

01:26:08.560 Anyway, thank you so much for joining us, folks.

01:26:10.720 Again, sorry we've been a half hour late.

01:26:12.440 Thank you for problems.

01:26:13.420 But we will see you again tomorrow.

01:26:15.140 Have a great evening.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 21, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1169

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