The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1179

00:00:00.000 good afternoon ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast the load seaters for what no i'm just

00:00:08.000 smiling smiling and being happy okay i had to do that on this pod yeah yeah no i joined by

00:00:13.520 stephen and harry hello sorry if you're smiling too right now stop it stop it right now sorry

00:00:22.060 carl i didn't mean to put you off there but i'm just in a happy mood today

00:00:25.680 he's got to get himself picked up before we talk about horrible awful no good things yeah yeah

00:00:31.800 that's good um yeah so today we're going to be talking about trump's big beautiful bill

00:00:36.060 uh the fact that essentially we're a de facto islamic islamic state at this point and how the

00:00:43.100 british are going to be a minority in britain by was it 2060 uh 2063 i believe is the current

00:00:50.180 projection although at that point i feel like calling it britain would be completely pointless

00:00:54.300 well i mean at that point we're just talking about the landmass rather than the people yeah

00:01:01.680 um but anyway we'll get into that yeah so let's let's begin so uh trump's big beautiful bill has

00:01:08.960 caused a bit of a stir in the past couple of days uh because it is past the house and it's moving on

00:01:15.120 to the past house in may it's moving on to the senate and it looks like it's going to become a

00:01:19.400 reality uh and this is something that elon musk has recently been causing a bit of trouble over and

00:01:25.480 to be honest with you you can see why actually uh so let's let's have a summary of what's in it from

00:01:31.900 the bbc here so uh they tell us uh that the bill because the thing is about american bills as well

00:01:37.020 is they are just hundreds of pages long yeah hundreds and hundreds of pages ron paul tried to

00:01:42.780 solve this yes he did was it ron or rand actually one of one of them tried one of the paul's yes one

00:01:49.360 of the paul's tried to solve this yes and they failed sadly yeah uh but yeah so this is obviously

00:01:56.460 open to abuse which is the case now uh and so here are just some of the things that are in it

00:02:03.300 uh so no tax on social security which makes sense why is social security tax that doesn't make any

00:02:09.780 sense um and so that's okay fair enough uh that makes sense and we're taxed in this country on

00:02:15.940 social security it's weird just reduce the amount of social security you give the bureaucracy

00:02:20.120 anyway uh the deduction extensions begin to decrease after however much blah blah blah okay

00:02:25.940 yeah fair enough that that's that's fine uh create more medicaid requirements so um this is

00:02:33.120 to help various other tax cuts elsewhere they're adding additional restrictions and requirements to

00:02:38.940 medicaid uh which is to reduce the amount of money they have to spend on that and so uh one of them

00:02:45.140 is uh where is it put in new work requirements for childless adults without disabilities so you have

00:02:53.400 to work 80 hours a month in order to qualify for medicaid um which if you're a childless adult without

00:03:00.160 disabilities why don't you have a job you'll get a job uh so fair enough uh there's an increased cap on

00:03:07.180 what they call the salt tax now salt stands for uh state and local taxes um and so at the moment

00:03:14.380 uh there's a ten thousand dollar cap on how much taxpayers can deduct from the amount they owe in

00:03:19.160 federal taxes which expires this year and they want to raise that to forty thousand dollars for married

00:03:24.200 couples with incomes up to half a million so that's good for regular people that's that's a good thing

00:03:30.820 uh there is also the snap benefits so snap stands for they love their acronyms don't they supplemental

00:03:37.100 nutritional nutrition assistance program uh which are used by for the bbc tells us 40 million low

00:03:43.500 income americans uh which uh okay and so the new bill requires that um local the states would add more

00:03:53.120 to this and reduce the amount of funding that federal government puts into it um and it also adds work

00:04:00.080 requirements for able-bodied snap enrollees again very much similar to the medicaid thing

00:04:04.420 another thing that trump made a big deal out of is no tax on overtime or tips which is also in there so

00:04:10.980 okay fair enough that that's nice uh child tax credit is set to increase from 2005 uh

00:04:17.900 weird because the bbc have said increase but what they mean is decrease uh from 2500

00:04:24.480 oh no sorry increase to 2500 from 2000 uh and they have raised the debt ceiling uh to four trillion

00:04:31.980 which okay which i think is what musk is really angry about well it's yeah many things well the so

00:04:37.780 the the main issue with all of this is there are lots of tax cuts but there is not revenue being

00:04:44.000 raised and so what this means is just massive amounts extra debt which is why they want to raise

00:04:48.800 the debt ceiling now you may remember that doge has uh saved something like uh where is it 170

00:04:58.400 billion dollars yeah which is a staggering amount of money and of course elon was trying to get to

00:05:04.460 two trillion he wanted a trillion didn't get anywhere near it obviously uh and so that's a lot of money

00:05:11.760 that is basically going to be wiped out by this bill yeah uh and so i mean the bbc estimate that

00:05:17.800 this is going to increase uh the deficit by about 600 billion uh which of course is like three or four

00:05:29.180 times more than what you're almost saving so brilliant that's yeah i think what i was trying

00:05:36.620 to understand with it is is there are two elements to this one is the thing that we like is that is

00:05:41.860 reducing taxes particularly those for lower incomes is increasing it for those families with children

00:05:46.980 where they get some kind of beneficial taxing the 2000 to 2500 so what he's essentially saying is

00:05:53.200 if you're the working person on the lower incomes although having said that can go up to half a million

00:05:58.980 you can make a lot more money on this and if you're an entrepreneur you can make a lot more money

00:06:03.980 onto this and there is a big cost to that there is a big cost in that we're going to have to increase

00:06:09.040 the deficit but hey guys look at what we managed to do we made reductions of 100 and odd billion

00:06:15.240 okay should be more i agree secondly we're going to bring in money from tariffs and and a lot of

00:06:21.460 people are already recognizing he's made quite a lot from the tariffs so far okay just on the increases

00:06:26.400 to that do you have a number on that uh no it's it's in the billions already so i needed to look i was

00:06:32.280 just reading around the subject on that and i think many of our kind of viewers from the states were

00:06:37.920 probably able to pick that up and say how much to be fair so i just looked up 68 billion yeah that's

00:06:43.680 pretty good so it's 68 billion already on that so he's at 250 billion 250 billion so he's a third

00:06:49.520 of the way now i understood it that with that there would have been if doge had been able to continue

00:06:56.300 that was the idea that they cut more from that to be able to give people more money in their pockets

00:07:02.260 and then we get the benefit coming initially from uh the tariffs and hopefully the long term which is

00:07:09.020 where trump was saying is that the long term i'm going to be bringing jobs back on shore which

00:07:15.000 increases the ability to have jobs and increase wages in the meantime this is where trump is right

00:07:20.880 don't you think that if you've got a deficit what what's going to happen in the markets what's going

00:07:24.760 to happen to the left they're going to use this argument i i would have thought the the the issue is

00:07:30.820 that it's full of unfunded spending as well um which is is not great which is why it's uh

00:07:37.720 increasing the deficit 600 billion uh and elon has come out hard against this saying i'm sorry i just

00:07:43.920 can't stand it anymore this massive outrageous pork filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting

00:07:48.520 abomination shame on those who voted for it you did wrong you know it um what is he specifically

00:07:54.400 going for uh well he hasn't specified any one particular thing uh but there there is obviously

00:08:00.440 loads of spending in it and there is obviously lots of tax cuts that are gonna just lead to the

00:08:06.220 united states piling on more debt and he's not wrong to point out that the debt is actually bonkers

00:08:13.080 in america i mean we've talked about this before i mean is there anyone who thinks this is being paid

00:08:18.160 back like i don't see how this can be paid back uh so anyway he points out that the interest

00:08:24.220 payments are already 25 of all government revenue come on this is this is this is nonsense this is

00:08:30.440 just like a level of madness that everybody who argues government debt is not like household debt

00:08:35.660 and they hear this consistently governments can always find their way out of it issue more money

00:08:41.580 inflationary let's increase taxes borrow more from the international markets at lower rates but it

00:08:48.140 ignores the fact that you're borrowing on your asset the house and the people working within it but

00:08:53.080 the debt isn't going down no so eventually someone needs to take the house off you but who's going

00:08:58.740 to do that i mean paying a hundred billion dollars a month on interest on the debt alone is crazy

00:09:04.420 1.2 trillion a year i mean that is that is mad and the thing is these all just sound like words right

00:09:11.380 they're just words oh it's a hundred billion it's a hundred billion it's a trillion it's these are all

00:09:16.720 just words right so you get to a number that high i'm just looking at it on the screen because

00:09:20.260 conceptually impossible exactly but there is actually a fairly good way uh of conceptualizing

00:09:27.020 so as geiger capitol point out here a million seconds ago was may the 23rd right so you know

00:09:33.540 less than a month ago a billion seconds ago was 1993 but a trillion seconds ago was 30 000 bc

00:09:41.300 that is the scale of the difference in the numbers that is it gives you an impression of just how much

00:09:51.160 larger than a billion a trillion is yeah and it's like okay right so all of human accomplishment was

00:09:59.000 done probably about half a trillion seconds ago right like a billion seconds ago i was a teenager

00:10:05.840 right a million seconds ago was last month okay i see you see the scale creep it is huge um it is

00:10:14.540 is unbelievable i mean i i think isn't it someone suggests that if you put all the dollars of one

00:10:21.460 trillion up then it it could actually go to mars or something like that oh yeah beyond the sun

00:10:25.820 you know level level up and did something ridiculous yeah on on youtube or twitter there are

00:10:30.980 various graphics you can see it sounds about right where people get like a pallet of a million dollars

00:10:35.140 and then a billion dollars and then they zoom out and it's trillion dollars god uh and so there

00:10:40.460 there are fiscal conservatives in the united states obviously being led by ram paul who are like yeah

00:10:45.700 i've been pretty consistent on this i oppose deficit spending uh if we don't get serious about

00:10:50.140 reigning in debt the next generation will pay the price it's like man like you are right but come

00:10:56.360 on look at the numbers like it's not just the next generation is going to pay the price like how is

00:11:02.640 this getting paid off like no it is war that's what's going to happen yeah probably it's they

00:11:09.680 will want a war which they can restructure the world and then turn around and say you know we've 0.83

00:11:14.860 snaffled the assets of china and impoverished them we snaffled the assets of russia we've done iran so

00:11:20.400 now we've got a whole load more assets on our our balance sheet that'll mix up the dollar a little

00:11:25.240 bit and somehow we'll manage to save our nation and the trillion dollars and we can carry on spending

00:11:30.100 because we've managed to snaffle assets but if you look at our history i mean you're much better

00:11:35.620 at this the you know the south sea sea bubble and when we when we lost the empire look what happened

00:11:40.860 then you know eventually we can't keep going out and getting assets from somewhere else yeah unless

00:11:46.780 we find out there are martians and they're pretty good and elon musk's managed to help take it off

00:11:52.400 yeah unless we can steal the assets from the martians yeah yeah exactly um yeah so um basically

00:11:58.560 i i i sincerely feel where ran paul is coming from on this but it feels very much like king canute trying

00:12:06.340 to hold back the tide well it's just like we shouldn't we should we should be fiscally

00:12:11.780 responsible guys i think that ship's sailed me i just and ran paul thinks it's going to be

00:12:17.220 something like five trillion uh that's added to the deficit in the end i mean just gosh i mean

00:12:23.540 i mean what do we say on that thing yeah let's let's let's watch uh the segment just so he can

00:12:30.600 tell us five trillion in a separate post trump said there's a false narrative about spending in this

00:12:35.880 bill he said it is quote single biggest spending cut in history by far kentucky senator ran paul joins me

00:12:43.660 now mr senator i know you want more cut spending cuts included in the bill can you tell us what

00:12:49.260 specifically you'd want to cut yeah it's even more than that the biggest objection i have to the bill

00:12:56.380 is adding five trillion dollars to the debt ceiling i'm actually very supportive of the tax cuts i don't

00:13:02.220 accept the cbo notion that the tax cuts will lead to deficits the reason i believe there'll be more

00:13:07.180 deficits is they're raising the debt ceiling five trillion we know that this year most of the republicans

00:13:13.180 not me voted to continue the biden spending levels in march so we're going to go through september of

00:13:18.540 this year and the deficit for this year is going to be over two trillion if you're borrowing five

00:13:23.100 trillion that makes me think you're going to add over two trillion maybe 2.8 trillion next year

00:13:28.140 so it doesn't show me that you've turned around if you look at the spending cuts it's complicated

00:13:32.700 because it's at 1.5 trillion it sounds like this enormous number but it's over 10 years it's 150 billion

00:13:38.860 a year they're also increasing spending for the military and for the border 300 billion that's

00:13:44.540 actually more than all the doge cuts that we've found so far so something doesn't really add up here

00:13:50.460 and i can't be on record as being one who supports increasing the debt by five trillion i think that's

00:13:55.740 irresponsible the bond markets are already starting to show that they're skittish over this we've got

00:14:00.620 interest rates of over five percent on the 10-year bond there's there are real problems we face as a

00:14:05.500 country and we can't just blithely go on the way we have in the past so as you can see ram paul

00:14:12.300 addressing the issue is this is a massive structural problem uh that is just not being addressed and

00:14:18.220 saying oh we've got you know 100 300 billion in cuts or whatever okay but that's not not going to

00:14:25.020 solve the problem because the scale of what is happening is just way bigger than people can properly

00:14:29.340 conceptually it is i'm just trying to run some numbers looking back what you said with doge 169 and

00:14:34.700 what he's saying 150 billion in a year so that amounts to 300 billion but that's the amount that

00:14:40.220 you're putting on the borders and the military okay you might be happy with that but at the end

00:14:44.620 of the day he said there was 2.8 billion additional spending 300 is identified where's the other 2.5

00:14:51.180 what are they spending it on military and various other things like this right but the thing is again

00:14:57.180 even if even if even if they were correct okay let's say it gets us back to like 1400 if we were to

00:15:04.380 convert the billions into the seconds uh we're still in something like a hundred thousand bc when it comes

00:15:13.020 to the debt so it's like okay we've got ourselves back to the the middle ages uh okay got a long way to

00:15:20.940 go then you know um so it it's just one of those things where it's just like this this is this is not

00:15:30.700 going to be solved via democratic means are there anyone out there in trump's team that have come out

00:15:36.300 positively and said this is a fantastic idea other than himself on this um well really i mean he must

00:15:42.380 have run this through advisors who yeah all wrote it up for him but this in many ways this is kind of

00:15:48.460 just business as usual i mean this is one of the things elon musk is objecting to oh look a massive

00:15:53.500 pork barrel congressional spending bill this is not new this is completely normal completely business

00:15:58.140 usual and to be honest with you it's probably how trump manages to get past all the rhinos

00:16:02.940 anyway so there are other things in there which is weird as well um now this this was a particularly

00:16:09.340 strange thing because marjorie taylor green got pilloried for this because everyone's like what you 1.00

00:16:13.820 didn't read the bill it's like it's a thousand pages long of course she didn't no one did

00:16:18.380 you know they get a bunch of lawyers to read it and then the lawyers tell them what they think they

00:16:21.660 need to know yeah um but anyway so she uh she voted for it uh and then it turned out and she says this

00:16:29.020 full transparency i did not know that on section on pages 278 to 279 and just just novel lengths

00:16:37.580 you'd have to get into it to find this uh but there's uh a prescription there that strips states of the

00:16:44.140 right to make laws or regulate ai for 10 years that's very strange yeah that's weird isn't it

00:16:51.820 i haven't got an answer to why they've got that in there either states can't regulate ai for 10 years

00:16:58.140 yeah well it would mean that they can't make laws about ai or regulate it so they you know they can't

00:17:03.660 ban it and i could i could uh theorize who's that one who works with blair uh is it is it larry ellison

00:17:10.380 yeah could be as you know is is is uh is he part of the tech sphere association with people like

00:17:16.400 peter teal and sam altman alex carp who have connections through palantir uh to jd vance

00:17:24.420 is is that to ensure that a large organization like palantir can't be regulated or held back in the ways

00:17:34.140 that they wouldn't like well not just palantir either because i mean at the moment uh china is trying to

00:17:39.260 catch up with america on ai development uh but they're significantly behind they're not they're

00:17:43.640 not nearly there america is definitely the world leader in ai well they and so what what this does

00:17:47.640 is protect that industry for at least a decade well that and doing that i think there's also a military

00:17:52.580 side of it if you've got regulations it might have a very heavily involved in that on that well of course

00:17:58.440 you're seeing the challenges that organize companies like nvidia which has about 86 percent of the

00:18:04.640 major ai chips and then amd which only has about 17 percent all of them facing restrictions on their

00:18:11.080 latest chips being and semiconductor components being sold but also like the big dutch company

00:18:17.440 uh that is one of the most important countries is prevented from selling any of its products now

00:18:23.160 to china and they all are putting estimates we're going to lose 1.6 billion 1.7 billions of dollars

00:18:29.040 of profits not being going to china because of that so maybe that's an element of saying this is

00:18:34.560 federal we're not even going to allow anyone to get involved in it and that's that is not that's

00:18:39.920 not capitalist well it's it's cronyism but absolutely even if it was it's also directly

00:18:47.160 against as marjorie points out the states rights issue as in the states of course should be able to

00:18:52.740 make their own laws and she says i'm adamantly opposed to this as a violation of states rights and

00:18:57.500 had i known about it i would have no and she's getting completely pilloried for this and it's 1.00

00:19:01.560 not fair at all because none of them bloody read it shut up you didn't read it i don't believe i i

00:19:06.400 don't believe that any congress member in the u.s reads any of the papers that comes across their 0.96

00:19:13.840 so it's only a thousand pages long yeah the whole point of making them so long is to ensure that

00:19:18.880 just the sheer time investment that you'd have to put into it makes it just so okay hand it off to

00:19:23.920 some guy who can give me some bullet points or now feed it into ai and get grok to give me the

00:19:29.500 bullet points which actually might be the best way to do it to be honest um that's why that's why

00:19:34.580 the polls are pretty good because they've got so much experience of being able to read these bills

00:19:39.280 that they've effectively got their own models of knowing where they need to go too quickly

00:19:43.160 anyway um so yeah the point being of all of this it's actually in many ways business as usual

00:19:53.640 elon musk has stared into the abyss the the umbral darkness of federal spending and he seems quite

00:20:01.240 upset about it to be honest and i don't blame him you know like the the very optimistic hey guys maybe

00:20:06.780 we can balance the budget yeah no that's not happening um and you can see why he's given up

00:20:12.620 frankly uh so nothing new essentially in this regard the debt is going to continue to increase

00:20:18.680 the amount you have to pay to service the debt is going to continue to increase

00:20:21.760 and it's never going to be fixed uh anyway deeply depressing isn't it it is see that the success

00:20:27.660 he was beginning to get and then they yeah they fought back and got rid of him yeah and not only

00:20:32.980 that though like looking ahead into the future you just realize okay that's going to be a problem

00:20:38.860 that's going to keep rearing its head there's never going to go away the one chance that they

00:20:42.420 had to fix it as elon was putting it and they didn't do it well elon's weather sounds about

00:20:48.000 actually did want to enact some kind of structural change to how the u.s government yeah i think he

00:20:52.480 works and uh the swamp has its own defense mechanisms there yeah um logan says social news

00:20:59.760 there's a rumor going around the government is planning on seizing all the houses by the ocean

00:21:04.080 uh okay i don't know what you're talking about there i'm afraid uh drunk changeling says americans

00:21:09.140 along with every other western country need to understand they have two options cut welfare by

00:21:12.580 50 percent today or wait 10 years and cut it by 100 but option two is the next admins issue

00:21:17.820 yeah that is the uh problem isn't it um and uh the hapsification says the biggest problem biggest 0.99

00:21:23.400 obstacle uh the establishment republicans in congress that want to keep the state quo

00:21:26.980 they're just as bad as the democrats of course they are too many mitch mcconnells and not enough

00:21:31.220 thomas massey's yes and this is what i mean my trump doubtless had to just include all of this just to

00:21:36.260 get it past the rhinos um but uh but yeah honestly it's impressive that thomas massey is even in the

00:21:43.320 government at all yeah right well i want to let everyone know we've had sessions on the trivium which

00:21:50.860 have worked out really really well and if you've not looked at it you've not read it if you've not

00:21:55.620 even joined up then you should do because it's impressive and carl is rereading uh the rhetoric

00:22:01.000 section now going through it because it's really good so you've got an opportunity to buy the whole

00:22:05.400 lot of 375 it's been extended uh for a period of time because obviously lots of people have different

00:22:10.620 paydays they've got different ways where they're getting the money in so there's an opportunity for

00:22:14.480 you to get each of the individual bundles at 150 each or take the lot at 375 which makes a lot more

00:22:21.180 sense uh if you do so and so get in it get the trivium uh and let us know let us know whether

00:22:27.580 you're enjoying it or not i'm going to move on now to what we're calling we are an islamic state

00:22:32.860 uh now and that this is de facto yeah it's like deeply this is worrying for me i think most of you

00:22:41.480 know as a lawyer i kind of been in the courts of i defend the courts i defend our legal system i think

00:22:48.740 it's uh compared to many countries in the world it's it's one of the best it still has a reasonable

00:22:54.080 opportunity for fairness but over the past 20 years of me being in law i've seen a decline

00:23:00.480 both in the way that we're extending uh legislation to hurt individual free speech going way beyond what

00:23:08.300 our principles were as common law allowing the kind of legal system in both police and in terms of

00:23:16.080 the judges to take much more of an interpretive value which i blame on tony blair and its extension

00:23:21.400 of two elements legislation and this is going to be one of them that we're going to deal with

00:23:26.200 the uh courts being out of the hands of the lawyers themselves and and just having no political

00:23:32.300 political input and that's why we have the supreme court which just allows those who are within the

00:23:37.580 select group to make the decisions on them unlike the u.s where at least you get a balance between

00:23:42.140 democrats and republican sides of the argument and this latest one is really really one that i'm going

00:23:49.160 to run through it's about hammock kosgan and some of you may have watched the stories some of you may

00:23:55.540 have not but hammock kosgan who was two days ago convicted for burning the quran in public 0.97

00:24:02.460 wow he was guilty of burning a quran in public burning a quran in public although you know we'll go 0.97

00:24:07.400 into the depths of it the judge said it's not about burning the quran itself it's about what else he

00:24:12.440 did around the burning of the quran it's just a coincidence yes it's happened after he burned a

00:24:18.380 quran yeah and and and so this is about hammock koran who is an individual he spent 10 years in

00:24:24.240 egyptian prison as a uh as a political uh refugee in many ways because he challenged the egyptians

00:24:30.960 is he not turkish is it is it turkish i think he's turkish but i think he was imprisoned in one

00:24:35.980 of them either turkey or egypt for his political views so he is a man of principle against uh the

00:24:42.400 kind of the way that islam works and and the way that islam works around freedom of speech and

00:24:47.080 democracy um so what i've got here is that's what he was convicted of um now here we're going to move 0.99

00:24:55.440 on to a little bit of what else he said so he burnt the quran and shouted fuck islam and islam is a 0.98

00:25:02.020 religion of terrorism so he was convicted of an aggravated public order fence and must pay a fine 0.99

00:25:09.500 right and he argued that this was effectively a blasphemy law and also against his human rights

00:25:15.180 it's worse than a blasphemy law because he's not going to get arrested if he says f christianity 0.81

00:25:20.400 uh christianity is a religion of terrorism no you won't receive anything so what this is is a religion

00:25:26.220 is a law that specifically protects islam in particular yeah and that's what we're going to see 1.00

00:25:31.420 and that's what lots of people say but i want you to look at those two words fuck islam and islam 0.98

00:25:36.520 is a religion of terrorism bear them in mind as we're going through this show and how we're going 0.99

00:25:41.900 through the evidence before it gets to you and you're going to sit yourself on the court as a judge

00:25:46.900 at this particular time so the reactions have been obvious um the spectator david shipley is now

00:25:53.000 saying england now has a blasphemy law i cannot disagree with that uh you have um james price

00:26:01.540 britain now has a blasphemy law but only for the religion of islam which is exactly what we're saying 1.00

00:26:07.720 now that that's that honestly i think that's worse than actually having a blasphemy laws it was like

00:26:12.980 okay you can't insult any religion okay i don't like it but at least it is a universal law no this

00:26:19.460 is the kind of law that we would have in an islamic state if you go to pakistan you can do whatever you 0.73

00:26:23.840 want to the bible but you'll get lynched absolutely you know and then prosecuted probably after your

00:26:29.520 lynching if you burn a koran i do i do wonder if someone was actually managed to escape pakistan for

00:26:34.520 their lynching and managed to argue that they should be an asylum seeker whether they'd be sent back or not

00:26:39.820 no and i think that probably would be one of the only occasions that they do send them back

00:26:43.500 that's christians but interestingly on this what james post follows on to the next one is that

00:26:49.700 why do you think that the population of britain won't be aggrieved why banning criticism of islam

00:26:55.220 will definitely not have any negative consequences if you want to cause division in society is this not

00:27:02.080 an example of a particular case that will elevate that division elevate the anger and elevate the fact

00:27:08.640 that we have a two-tier system of justice in this country it's hard to say it's not a two-tier system

00:27:14.160 yeah so i i think he's right on there um robert jenner is interesting he points out that for

00:27:20.440 christianity blasphemy was abolished in 2008 17 years ago and that starmer defended a woman who trampled on

00:27:27.240 the american flag of course he did yeah of course he did but today where was starmer on this issue

00:27:33.340 where do we think he was i assume he was like well we don't insult islam jabs no no no he was

00:27:38.680 probably trying to find a way of saying look i've just done a deal with kazakhstan or maybe i'm just

00:27:44.060 going to fly out to see zelensky again my mate one more time on the international rather than deal

00:27:48.880 with this particular issue i think general care is standing once more quite strongly on this

00:27:54.120 uh he said the fate is grotesque it's true now here is where you've got to get this point this is 0.99

00:27:59.800 where it starts to bring in a little bit remember those words fuck islam and islam is the peace 0.99

00:28:04.480 he was allegedly stabbed in broad daylight it's not even allegedly you can see the video uh i see the 0.99

00:28:11.620 video i haven't seen that oh yeah the video is some insane guy who's screeching you're you're attacking

00:28:17.100 my religion yeah wielding this knife yeah so he runs runs out of the embassy or something like that

00:28:22.140 and stabs him uh for burning the book and ah there he is and a kurdish uh amenian atheist that's what 0.51

00:28:29.880 he is protesting erdogan not only that someone on a deliveroo jumped off his deliveroo bike and kicked

00:28:36.420 him in the head so that's one way of delivering your pizza i suppose just be aware these people are

00:28:41.600 all around us in our country they you they're just getting on with their lives except they they 0.81

00:28:46.480 believe that you should die if you burn the koran now to be think to be fair just warning next time 0.98

00:28:53.760 you order a pizza when you open the door don't have a burning that might get you in some trouble 0.98

00:28:59.300 but if you burn a bible you'll get a discount probably that's right and so what we've got now

00:29:04.960 as you can see this is building up he's been stabbed in broad daylight by someone who said he

00:29:09.020 shouldn't be burning it and he was kicked in the head now to be fair both of these individuals were

00:29:13.440 charged with assault although their cases have been pushed back until after summer not as important

00:29:20.200 as his the victim of this particular issue and i'm sure if anything were to happen to them the

00:29:26.720 echar would step in to make sure that nothing bad actually happens anyway yeah so i'm going to examine

00:29:32.580 a little bit very quickly running through for people here this is one of the acts that he was

00:29:37.080 charged with he was charged with two particular offenses the first is the crime and disorder act

00:29:41.860 1990 uh 1998 and we're looking down here it's section three and hidden there racially or

00:29:50.280 religiously aggravated public order offenses and i've never been comfortable with public order offenses

00:29:56.620 ever since i started looking at them and learning about them in in university under law and when i was

00:30:03.000 doing uh the bar because it always struck me that the way that they were open for interpretation

00:30:07.540 was a simple way of the government's being able to stop people from being able to protest lawfully

00:30:13.020 whether i like that protest or not but here was an extension the extension here is racially and

00:30:20.460 religiously aggravated and in order for that to be guilty a person and i look at section c of this

00:30:27.400 harassment alarm or distress well i mean i feel i've been racially aggravated against when someone tries to

00:30:36.920 stab someone for burning a koran yeah i'm in alarm stresses me yes and i'm alarmed by it and i'm

00:30:43.400 alarmed if i see someone of a racially different background or religion stabbing somebody else of

00:30:48.640 a different relationship religion or background so why that person so why that person who stabbed him

00:30:55.060 isn't also charged with this particular offense uh is concerning for me but i want to look at those

00:31:00.400 words harassment alarm or distress like you'll notice that the the racial laws are only ever

00:31:06.880 used against the native white majority that only like the grooming gangs would have been a really

00:31:12.140 solid example of racial hate crimes and yet none of them as far as i'm aware were charged with anything

00:31:17.600 like that i mean in this case that's not entirely true given that the person who's being charged under

00:31:21.720 them is kurdish armenian oh yeah kurdish armenian uh but in this case all that all it means that this

00:31:28.160 is a particular situation where we have imported both sides of this conflict right which is always

00:31:34.040 always the most fun it's like leicester i like the way we've identified the white side of the conflict 0.58

00:31:39.320 as well yeah i suppose so the one who's against islam that's the white one yeah well i i'm going to

00:31:45.420 say this we've got to be concerned about this particular one because it's a summary conviction

00:31:50.900 of six months or a fine not exceeding the maximum i didn't check out what the maximum is but it's

00:31:58.280 normally more than two and a half thousand pounds but i am deeply concerned about the fact that a

00:32:02.800 person is guilty of harassment alarm or distress when we look into how the judges interpreted this

00:32:09.400 and how that will impact us on this show or when you do any interviews or when you write any articles or

00:32:14.620 indeed when you talk about it at work uh or anywhere to be quite frankly um so this is the judgment of

00:32:22.540 of of the case uh including the sentence remarks so who just who who brought the charges against

00:32:28.680 hamit coskin the crown prosecutor so the the state has decided the state has decided so and initially

00:32:35.360 they did uh charge it about uh religiously related to uh the quran as almost blasphemy and then they

00:32:42.400 were forced out to doing that by generic so they changed it into a public order offense uh which as

00:32:49.780 some people will come to and says it's a basically blasphemy through the back door yeah good by god 1.00

00:32:55.260 they're going to do it from the front door sorry by allah they're going to defend islam yeah um and 0.99

00:33:00.600 here here's the interesting point here he held it aloft whilst he shouted fuck islam and islam is a 0.99

00:33:05.100 religion of terrorism and quran is burning at the time he's doing so and in doing so he's motivated 0.99

00:33:10.460 by hostility towards members of a religious group namely followers of islam based on their membership

00:33:17.420 of that group so if you criticize somebody who's a member of a religious group namely islam and you do 0.99

00:33:25.740 so that causes them alarm or distress or harassment you are now guilty of this public order offense if

00:33:32.720 you do it outside in the public and not necessarily at home that's a wholly different offense which gives

00:33:38.420 you an nchi i like that that's that's not legal that's just a different offense yeah that's just 0.79

00:33:43.240 a different offense yeah but i there is where he says it very clearly this is about hostility towards

00:33:50.160 members of a religious group let's work on a number of impacts of this uh and so he further comes down

00:33:57.140 he says it's disorderly behavior within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment 0.97

00:34:03.620 alarm or distress by holding aloft and saying fuck islam uh contrary to section five of the public order 0.95

00:34:10.400 act sorry just a quick thing here like as if it's the law's job to make sure that nobody is alarmed 0.97

00:34:17.040 i i must exist in a state of tranquility at all times yeah never experience anything that might

00:34:23.300 cause me to be slightly alarmed or distressed yeah or else the crown prosecution will come down on you

00:34:28.020 assuming you're not a muslim this is wild yeah and and i find i find it utterly utterly uh in a world 1.00

00:34:36.180 of very strange communistic determination of what is people's opinions views values and we're now going

00:34:43.080 to suppress them within this ideology of threatening not even threatening it's just harassment and abuse

00:34:51.240 but if you have like a large number of muslims praying in public you know there's no way that could 1.00

00:34:56.240 be considered to be alarming or distressing even though i might find that alarming or distressing

00:35:00.500 well i i would uh agree that within this definition someone would legitimately be able to call that

00:35:07.020 alarming and distressing uh is it threatening behavior no which is what or abusive i don't think

00:35:13.920 he was threatening anyone no no no this is this is the the incredible element about it is when you run

00:35:20.260 through here uh he keeps saying he shouted islam is a religion of terrorism and the quran is burning 1.00

00:35:27.720 and a man came out and said you're a fucking idiot the defendant responded fuck you repeatedly 1.00

00:35:34.040 so what we've got i've seen a video yes incidents what you've got is you're a fucking idiot fuck you 1.00

00:35:40.720 you're a fucking idiot fuck you and then unfortunately we'll probably not be allowed on youtube because of 1.00

00:35:46.220 this now with that swearing but the point is that when he says islam is the religion of terrorism 1.00

00:35:52.740 and fuck islam it's after he'd been stabbed right he said those words after he was stabbed 0.99

00:36:00.760 well maybe some mitigating circumstance what would he well the point was the judge actually said 0.99

00:36:06.300 he is convicting him not because of the burning of the book but because where he was the position he 0.96

00:36:15.200 was in and the words that he used fuck islam and islam is terrorism but he didn't do that to cause 0.97

00:36:23.540 harassment he was doing that after he'd been stabbed so he didn't he stood there initially silently 0.98

00:36:30.360 burning the book yeah so how could that cause harassment alarm and secondly the judge goes on to say

00:36:37.540 it was obviously harassment and alarm because a man came out and stabbed you so you obviously cause

00:36:42.960 someone harassment and alarm so you're victim blaming he is somebody who silently burnt a book

00:36:50.080 didn't swear until after he'd been stabbed which obviously after you've been stabbed you might say

00:36:54.920 i'm deeply sorry your man that hurts i wouldn't be holding back no no it might be difficult and so

00:37:02.820 what we have then is clearly uh this part of the judgment is uh particularly absurd because the 0.98

00:37:10.720 protest was reading because he used the word fuck that was ludicrous enough so we don't pick up some 0.97

00:37:16.080 of the points the defendant had raised evidence that his actions were a protest fine he was exercising 0.98

00:37:21.440 the rights under the echor allegedly fine prosecution must make sure he's not acting unreasonably or acting

00:37:28.260 reasonably the defendant's actions burning the quran were highly provocative oh right it's his actions 1.00

00:37:34.340 accompanied by bad language in some cases directed towards the religion that was motivated by at least

00:37:41.300 hatred of the followers of that region and that's why his conduct is not reasonable he'd just been

00:37:46.820 stabbed yeah it's not he's there yeah and a man said he was going to kill the defendant he went back

00:37:53.300 inside and came out shortly and launched a savage attack on the defendant with a knife kicked spat the 0.71

00:37:58.660 defendant was also kicked by passing delivery driver he only used the f word after you've been 1.00

00:38:03.460 called a fucking idiot the implication is that this is perfectly reasonable yes he's being unreasonable by 1.00

00:38:09.780 by swearing and insulting islam but it's perfectly reasonable for the muslims to come out with a knife 1.00

00:38:14.740 and say i'm going to kill you yeah so i've got this situation you're burning a book and the judge is 0.99

00:38:18.820 saying burning the book on its own is not an issue yeah it becomes an issue when you burn the book 0.99

00:38:23.540 in public in a certain place and that place is outside the turkish embassy you caused harassment and alarm

00:38:30.780 because somebody stabbed you yeah so rather than them being the person who's a who is definitely you know

00:38:38.380 they're kind of this is it's a level of it and the fact that you swore after you were stabbed

00:38:43.700 is also indicative of your insulting somebody i honestly the implication is that this is reasonable

00:38:52.000 there's a reasonable response to him burning the quran yeah this is wild and and and i i i get 0.99

00:38:57.480 baroness fox not only because her name is fox and therefore i'm wolf and i kind of like the whole

00:39:01.140 that kind of but you know she is a former communist in many ways i've said and she was a big brexiteer 0.69

00:39:10.160 still i think holds some communist views i've got to i've got to say but i wanted to listen to this and

00:39:15.680 you know what she says on this because this is actually highly instructive about she understands the

00:39:21.340 left very well because she was part of it for a long time

00:39:23.720 oh it's not loud enough

00:39:32.320 can't hear it i'm afraid just just samson can we

00:39:36.880 there is a danger here's the video okay can you just summarize it yeah

00:39:42.600 she talks about exactly what we've mentioned first of all you've got an individual's holding

00:39:48.740 the book and the judge is is saying that in itself is is fine you can burn it but actually

00:39:54.440 indicating you're not really allowed to burn it if someone is harassed so that clearly is

00:39:58.780 blasphemy through the back door and secondly your victim shaming you know here you have a man who's

00:40:04.760 been stabbed and yet he's the one who's now the perpetrator of a particular offense when he's doing

00:40:09.920 nothing but you're actually allowing people off and this chap on the right uh who is a human rights

00:40:15.200 lawyer uh says no it's not about it uh burning the book or blasphemy it's all about a public order

00:40:22.120 offense deliberately ignoring the fact that the racially aggravated elements of the offense clearly

00:40:29.540 make it on the floor and he's yelling about the person who stabbed him and some bystander muslim

00:40:35.160 might feel alarmed or distressed because of the language he used and that's the public order act

00:40:40.300 offense right just so i've got this completely clear yeah right now it's just mental i'm going

00:40:47.500 to bring in another elements of this before we kind of summarize christopher hitchens uh briefly i'm

00:40:53.140 going to just play a little bit about him in 2009 this is very urgent business ladies and gentlemen i

00:40:57.840 beseech you resist it while you still can and before the right to complain is taken away from you

00:41:03.620 which will be the next thing you will be told you can't complain because you're islamophobic

00:41:09.780 the term is already being introduced into the culture as if it was an accusation of race hatred

00:41:16.400 for example or or bigotry whereas it's only the objection to the preachings of a very extreme and

00:41:22.480 absolutist religion watch out for these symptoms they are not just symptoms of surrender very often

00:41:28.100 ecumenically offered to you by men of god in other robes christian and jewish and smarmy ecumenical 0.94

00:41:34.340 there we go so that was 2009 he said let's be let's be careful i'm giving you a warning

00:41:40.880 about the use of the word islamophobia and now here we have it it's going through parliament with

00:41:46.700 with a kind of amendments to various pieces of legislation by the labour party here you have

00:41:52.100 it in public order acts and particular offenses that someone who criticizes islam is now regarded

00:41:58.640 as being a criminal for doing that and has to at the moment pay a fine how long before complete

00:42:05.420 imprisonment how long before just even discussing the concepts of uh criticizing sharia law in this

00:42:11.740 country because i i think a lot of people are saying this is blasphemy by the back door i actually

00:42:16.000 in some ways think it's almost akin to sharia law being accepted as part of our common law because

00:42:23.620 that's exactly what they do we've been just a quick side as well interesting your point is uh

00:42:28.780 the i i thought that this was going to be a race hatred charge but it wasn't a race hatred charge

00:42:34.580 whereas if it had been a white guy who had been doing it probably would have been a race hatred charge

00:42:38.220 that would have been probably dropped on top of it as well yeah yeah so it would have been worse

00:42:41.840 yeah i i think other charges on that would have been there yeah um and i think this is what

00:42:48.120 andrew techburn has said it's two good articles in the spectacular brace yourself for more

00:42:52.420 quran burning trials in britain i think when you're looking through that it's not just about

00:42:56.760 the burning of the quran because quite frankly there will be people who've watched this on x or

00:43:03.280 or wherever social media and they're going to go okay i'm going to test it now you know the judge

00:43:08.580 has said burning the quran on its own is not it's not bad so you've just seen lawrence fox 1.00

00:43:14.180 please don't do that no no i'm just saying you do not recommend you no we don't recommend any

00:43:18.920 criminality i'm just saying that these are things that technically aren't criminal i just don't

00:43:22.600 think you should do this this article is suggesting that's what people will do you saw lawrence fox

00:43:27.380 burning the lgtb plus qi whatever flag it was the other day and i think people are going to test it

00:43:33.680 you know they they as this article is suggesting people might go out and just say i'm going to stand

00:43:38.460 here and burn it in my garden or someone might burn it outside of school and at what point

00:43:43.560 are they going to be charged with this racially aggravated public order offense and what they're

00:43:50.660 saying is brace yourself for this because people are going to rebel on this and like all people in

00:43:55.940 this country in the past they test the laws to the limit to find out where they are and then they can

00:44:01.560 challenge it but it also means that he's saying on the other side of it we're going to see more

00:44:07.680 negativity towards those people who oppose islam or regard it differently and the courts are going

00:44:14.060 to be caught in a place where they make the decision and it won't fall on the side of those

00:44:19.140 who are burning the quran no no protect islam now what i'm saying is we've got a few things 0.78

00:44:24.700 that they can do obviously here i hope that he appeals and there's a fundraiser being done

00:44:30.820 by the free speech union and the christian christian concern i think with the other

00:44:36.140 organization work with him but only by him allowed to challenge this only by him being able to take

00:44:42.800 this up because he's the only one convicted so far there you are it was 10 years in prison in turkey

00:44:47.300 not not egypt so i was wrong for political activism and and i think that should have had some

00:44:52.880 impact on the way that he he was addressed his assessment of it why have we not just had

00:44:59.320 um the labour party saying that we wanted to change the sentencing practices through the

00:45:05.320 sentencing council which would have said that you look back on what happened to you in the past

00:45:10.380 in your countries 10 years in prison for turkey for political activism isn't that falling within that

00:45:16.920 scope wrong kind of political activism exactly so it's going there he has to do that i think we've

00:45:23.380 also seen nick timothy actually has turned out to be quite good in legal issues he brings this out

00:45:29.280 in parliament he talks about supporting stopping this bill and he does it very quickly but

00:45:36.380 thank you mr speaker yesterday a man was convicted of a public order offense after burning a quran

00:45:41.860 outside the turkish embassy the judge said the fact that the man was attacked is proof that he was

00:45:46.660 guilty of disorderly behavior this is grotesque and means in effect we have a blasphemy law 0.81

00:45:51.460 does the justice secretary believe that this should hold or will the government back my bill to put an

00:45:57.200 into all of this madness next week not have a blasphemy law we are not going to have a blasphemy 0.90

00:46:03.400 law in this country he will be aware that in that specific case i believe it's going to be subject to

00:46:07.920 an appeal so it'd be inappropriate for me or any other minister to comment on the details of that

00:46:12.400 matter but i'm sure once all right so labour de facto blasphemy law got it de facto blasphemy

00:46:18.520 through the back door everybody who understands law knows that it is politicians know that it is

00:46:23.840 labour saying it's not and hiding behind the fact that they won't support nick timothy in this next

00:46:29.640 week rupert look uh say uh cooper does exactly the same um and i thought i had one by rupert low but the

00:46:38.900 disc the really concerning element for me about that is that shows like this now become actively

00:46:46.620 capable just if we criticize and somebody sat there saying i have harassment i am concerned about

00:46:53.120 this i'm distressed that they actually can now put public order act on almost any type of political

00:46:58.900 activity uh the only thing that the judge would have to assess is where we are in this building who

00:47:03.740 can who has seen it and that will be our limited defense and also if you're attacked by somebody you

00:47:10.760 now have proof of you committing that offense because someone attacks you and that is nonsense it's obscene and

00:47:19.340 grotesque that's wild um ragequit says islamic state of britain uh again informally yes 0.97

00:47:29.540 uh scott sagai says if the cps are bringing public order offense and only a member of the public can be

00:47:34.760 the complainant a cps claiming not to be acting in their official capacity uh well i assume it's not

00:47:41.040 that only a member of the public can be the complainant then uh yeah it's others that's the

00:47:46.340 point it's it's broader it's he said if someone came out of the building uh was obviously evidence

00:47:52.840 of harassment but someone can sit in front of tv be passing by as a neighbor as that person on delivery

00:47:58.920 was and they say i was harassed that's why i was so harassed i had to jump off my fence and kick him in

00:48:03.760 the head yeah that's a random name says it is the law's job to make sure you never feel alarmed 0.98

00:48:08.680 etc because we live in a feminized society ruled by weak men neurotic women and boba dad uh boba 1.00

00:48:14.940 bad says uh does this mean if christian pray silently for a muslim burning the bible the christian would 0.96

00:48:19.040 be arrested for offending muslim uh it's something to test out i guess isn't it don't obviously do

00:48:23.860 these things it's not for us to say there are interesting test cases for various different

00:48:29.460 scenarios like i would be interested to see if say uh an african was burning oh no no perhaps if

00:48:36.140 an arab was burning a bible in a christian african neighborhood and the african came out and attacked 0.99

00:48:41.460 them what the case would be on that one if it would be reflective of this yeah what would the argument

00:48:46.320 be yeah because keir starmore was very clear when he was speaking to sadiq khan before he um

00:48:52.100 before before last year's election that he was going to make sure that the uk did as much as possible

00:48:57.500 to combat islamophobia and he seems to be part of that on that on to some more bad news 0.78

00:49:04.380 we always have fun on this uh which is the in a soon enough time britain will no longer be britain

00:49:14.840 it will be an amorphous land mass filled with uh citizens of the earth globalized britain as boris

00:49:21.680 johnson wanted it thank you very much for that but first i've seen some of you in the in the comments

00:49:27.040 i've seen your writing and frankly you need an english lesson so buy the trivium which will

00:49:32.880 allow you to learn about grammar logic and rhetoric sadly not graphic design which is our passion as

00:49:40.380 you can see here from this man pulling a chess piece out of his own head very impressive you won't

00:49:46.920 get the skills to do that but you will be able to write in basic sentences finally after buying this

00:49:52.740 so buy it now i've seen you all practicing it back backstage back doors you know get it out i don't

00:49:58.040 practice anything around anyone's back door thank you very much um so you can buy that for 375 pounds

00:50:05.300 as a bundle for all three or you can buy them individually as foundations of writing logic or

00:50:10.440 rhetoric for 150 pounds each if you are financially incontinent anyway so please buy those and now on to

00:50:20.220 the news so this is what has been reported recently it came out in a telegraph article which is what

00:50:25.820 everybody has been focusing on here which is new research produced by professor matt goodwin who has

00:50:32.280 appeared on the website in the past interviewed i think by connor a few years ago now uh who has

00:50:38.120 suggested that judging by projections that he has calculated if we continue to have mass immigration on

00:50:45.380 the scale that we are having right now with birth rates being that where what they are by about what would

00:50:50.820 this be 2070 to between 2060 and 2070 britain will suddenly become a majority non-white country so 0.58

00:51:00.480 have a majority foreign population people who are not ancestrally of the british isles and uh this has gotten

00:51:08.720 quite a few different reactions personally not a fan of it personally being english being somebody with

00:51:16.000 english children who uh wants this country to remain functional and not um another experiment in open

00:51:24.320 borders as uh one oswald mosley fan keir starmer uh said um and i don't want it to appear like south

00:51:32.000 africa or zimbabwe do today so i would rather england remain england wales remain wales scotland

00:51:38.820 remain scotland etc etc i might get arrested for saying that we'll find out i suppose but the

00:51:43.960 call someone harm and arrest probably distress just just if somebody attacks me for saying that i am in

00:51:49.000 the wrong just a quick thing as well we were never asked whether we want to give up our ancestral claim

00:51:54.180 to our own land either the collective claim that the english have to england this was never on the table

00:52:00.020 now this this was just swept up and forced on us so at the moment you can see that the current

00:52:05.840 figures are that the population is still 73 percent white british but again that's 40 years from now

00:52:14.860 that's a ridiculously um swift amount of time for a change of this proportion to take place some people

00:52:22.560 are suggesting that it's already worse than what we're seeing on these graphs because of the fact that

00:52:26.880 there are people who aren't in the system this is taken from ons figures so there are people who

00:52:31.500 will have overstayed their visas and lots of illegals who are not counted in the system and this could be

00:52:37.380 reflected in your on the ground experience when you go to local towns and cities you'll probably see a

00:52:43.560 greater proportion than you would expect well this isn't evenly distributed so in england by the official

00:52:50.020 statistics it's 25 percent not english in england but that's the official statistics there's going to be

00:52:56.160 somewhere between one and probably five million illegals and of course there's going to be age 0.99

00:53:00.960 disparities as well which is a lot of the white population the white british population are going

00:53:05.960 to be older perhaps going out less so when you go out into the street you might encounter a greater

00:53:12.240 proportion of foreigners but anyway so he says in in this article projects a big rise in the proportion of

00:53:19.460 uk population comprising foreign born and second generation immigrants from below 20 percent to 33.5

00:53:25.900 within the next 25 years and by 2100 it protects six and ten people in the uk will either have not

00:53:34.400 been born in the uk or will have at least one immigrant parent and the muslim population which

00:53:42.320 currently stands as seven percent is estimated to increase to more than one in ten within the next

00:53:47.420 25 years and account for one in five of all people in the uk by the end of the century which also of

00:53:53.580 course means that within 25 years if it's going to be 33.5 percent total that still leaves about

00:53:59.060 22 23 percent made up of people probably mainly coming from uh north and sub-saharan africa and

00:54:06.760 the subcontinent yeah everywhere else as well it's interesting because like the research i was looking

00:54:12.140 out showed that by 2050 we got about 25 percent is islam and so this is by goodwin's own projection

00:54:19.880 so he's running lower than that so yeah yeah he's he's running by the end of the country

00:54:24.540 he's running a bit lower i don't know there is an explanation maybe he's scaling like indian

00:54:30.020 immigration or chinese i don't know i haven't had a chance to look at it uh his research or get it off

00:54:34.560 his um i think he's put it on his blog so there is a bit of an explanation in here but i am not a

00:54:39.140 demographer so i'm not really qualified to say how it is the point being is bad news either way

00:54:43.800 yeah either way it's showing a general trend that anybody on the ground can see and has been able

00:54:49.660 to see for a few decades at this point at least uh because again but the as far as i'm concerned the

00:54:55.960 second the britain is no longer majority british that defined as the people who can trace their

00:55:01.800 ancestry back to the english welsh scottish etc it's no longer britain it's no longer england no longer

00:55:08.060 scotland we've seen the experiment been played out in luton or london yes they they are voids they

00:55:14.340 are nowhere places they are sometimes the colonies of areas yes or all they're just colonies of foreign 0.71

00:55:20.780 uh foreign populations uh what i would suggest it would be the most likely result of something like

00:55:26.180 this is as you see in those examples you would get more and more factionalism where the people just

00:55:31.740 break off into their own ethnic conclaves so by the end of the century that 33.7 white british

00:55:38.540 population would probably be mostly confined to their own areas yeah where they keep to themselves

00:55:45.720 and the same with everybody else there would still be some holdouts i'm sure of lib dems going on about

00:55:50.880 how not racist they are but they would still be living in those majority lib dem enclaves i expect in

00:55:57.400 40 years the the lib dems will either died off or become rabid racists pushing by ed davies most

00:56:04.940 recent i know the rabid racist about the uh the um uh the train speaker users they're leaning into the

00:56:12.180 racism uh perhaps perhaps but uh it goes on to say in his reports he says the findings were to certain

00:56:17.600 to spark a considerable degree of anxiety concern and political opposition among many voters who favored

00:56:22.700 lowering immigration and slowing the pace of change in order to maintain the symbols traditions

00:56:27.160 cultures and way of life of the traditional majority group he also said that their concerns

00:56:31.460 need to be recognized respected and addressed if the uk is to avoid considerable political turbulence

00:56:36.760 and polarization in the years and decades ahead now that's a very polite way of saying what needs

00:56:42.080 to happen which is that this needs to be stopped and reversed immediately as has been pointed out

00:56:48.400 even if we were to leave figures as they are right now and close all of the borders the birth rates alone

00:56:53.220 would mean that this would happen slower but it would still happen within 100 years this is the

00:56:59.700 point that david betts has been making as he's been going around the podcast circuit is when a majority

00:57:05.000 group loses their status as the majority group that's the most likely trigger point for a civil war 0.53

00:57:10.020 because it's just not a desirable thing to lose the collective influence and power that the majority

00:57:15.360 group has over their own country there's no advantage i think you've got to look at the demographics to say

00:57:20.520 that it's very clear that in many areas already we're seeing that loosening of power and the losing

00:57:26.380 of power and interestingly enough on this because i did do some research on population about six months

00:57:32.300 ago i was considering this impact of islam on on places like that his numbers will he's talking about

00:57:38.320 britain and so if you talk about england that demographic change is happening much more quickly

00:57:44.180 because in scotland wales and northern ireland it's still larger majorities of white people who

00:57:50.200 strip that out and i suspect he will look at britain england as being a much quicker timescale it

00:57:56.000 it is broken down further uh as pulled up by juice on twitter where it shows yeah already

00:58:03.720 28.9 yes yeah england will be hit the hardest the quickest by it but even then you're talking in

00:58:10.820 wales and scotland you're still talking at most a third of the population whereas england would be

00:58:15.740 just below now northern ireland seems to fare a lot better in this it's still worse i don't know

00:58:21.300 if his projections are taking into account irish and non-irish uh potentially i don't know if it's

00:58:26.700 also going to take into account any trickle that would come up uh from the republic of ireland which

00:58:32.580 are also facing their own problems as well that will happen to them and speaking speaking of which

00:58:38.760 there is always the narratives that come with this because people typically don't like to be

00:58:44.740 displaced in their own ancestral homelands just look at the irish uh for an example even when the

00:58:50.040 people who are displacing them are basically indistinguishable in ways the irish would not like

00:58:56.700 to admit uh genetically speaking there's still a different ethic yes obviously obviously people don't

00:59:02.420 like being displaced so you have to because we're western europeans we're very sentimental we're

00:59:07.800 very smarmy and we've got lots of emotions and empathy for other things you need to feed them

00:59:12.600 narratives and ireland has been seeing this because of course the republic of ireland has also been

00:59:16.860 experiencing a lot of problems with mass migration recently and all of a sudden what happens is that

00:59:21.660 you start to get news programs as uh narrated by colin farrell traitor of all people yeah he's named here

00:59:30.260 as saying uh like bono he's lost his irish card just call him a traitor he's a traitor call him 0.56

00:59:34.840 call him a blood traitor for all i care because that is what he is colin farrell telling everybody 0.86

00:59:39.880 that we irish were never homogenous always hybrids always mongrels we're going back to like the 1.00

00:59:47.020 mythical invasions of ireland that happened in prehistory or something yeah i i just imagine all

00:59:51.640 those all those vikings that they're saying were islamic and black yeah yeah over you know it's almost as if

00:59:57.600 cromwell himself had written this yeah um but this is coming from you know uh who who's who's

01:00:05.020 producing this uh the state broadcaster of course it is because of course it has to be because part

01:00:10.380 of the process is always to break down your conception of yourself and your own history

01:00:15.140 despite the fact that ireland uh more so than anywhere else in the british isles has had an

01:00:19.600 incredibly strong conception of itself that's what the troubles were about that's what historically we

01:00:25.060 all have yeah historically but they've held on to theirs a lot longer than everywhere else absolutely

01:00:29.100 but that's why you have to begin breaking that down to allow people to accept this more exactly

01:00:33.700 what what is the sole purpose of this there's only one reason to do this and that is to disinherit

01:00:37.840 the irish from ireland in the same way that the attacks on british identity and english identity

01:00:41.880 and to disinherit the english from england there's just no no other way of looking at it one of the

01:00:46.260 things that always comes up as well is this idea that so oh well european tribes invaded each other

01:00:52.200 so you have to accept infinity uh infinity immigration from the rest of the world despite

01:00:57.240 the fact that within our little circle of earth uh this is where the vast majority of anybody came

01:01:04.040 from for thousands of years and um there's other people commenting this i didn't get the tweets up

01:01:10.880 before we came on here but i got them up on my own computer to refer to them so sunday people like

01:01:16.840 sunday katwala uh who is the uh the great squirrel yeah yeah the ceo of british future that nvo

01:01:24.280 saying that a good win should be criticized in his report for defining the white british share of the

01:01:30.760 population as people who do not have an immigrant parent because apparently that disqualifies king

01:01:37.840 charles the third people like ed milliband boris johnson to be fair i would be happy okay i would be

01:01:44.540 happy i'd kick them out to say boris johnson is not personally that's my that's my new thing

01:01:53.400 also david arinovich having one immigrant parent is not like a very high bar like most people don't

01:02:01.280 have one immigrant parent yeah uh david arinovich also said that the uh saying the foreign born and

01:02:07.740 their descendants covers just about everybody in the country of course but it's not their descendants 0.97

01:02:11.800 into into infinitum yeah exactly what he's doing is he's extending the timeline back like 30 000

01:02:19.100 years before anybody was even here yeah and then back a trillion seconds then when he was called

01:02:25.720 called up on it by eric kaufman kaufman uh who's been in the office as well he's on the website you

01:02:31.580 should check that interview out uh saying that i mean it's it's based on more recent provenance than

01:02:37.300 what you're talking about arinovich was starting to ask um do the classic thing are britain's anglo-saxons

01:02:44.340 does language define you starting to deconstruct it okay break it all down english people are anglo-saxons

01:02:49.840 yeah and next question welsh people are welsh next question i i think people who've been on these aisles

01:02:55.400 longer than most countries have had an idea of what the word nation even is yeah is perfectly 0.82

01:03:02.000 reasonable i think that's perfectly reasonable if the maori are indigenous to new zealand when

01:03:07.240 oxford has been around longer than they've only been there for 800 years yeah then i think we can

01:03:12.000 say that we're indigenous so you get the typical uh people like that trying to break all of this down

01:03:16.920 when really all they're trying to do is run cover for the fact that this is not something that anybody

01:03:22.140 wants and it's increasingly becoming a very popular position that nobody wants this to happen an

01:03:27.740 interesting reaction as well and this isn't to criticize him at all uh was lewis brackpool

01:03:32.860 thinking that this was part of the uh overton shift for the telegraph to be reporting this so openly and

01:03:40.240 um that's that's that's that's a fair that's a fair view but i don't think that this is part of an

01:03:45.160 overton shift um overton window shift because this is the sort of thing that um has been reported on

01:03:51.980 numerous times in the past it's just becoming more and more visible to most people whereas most

01:03:57.040 people would have dismissed it or tried to go on anti-racist priors in the sort of mid-2000s there

01:04:02.960 was reporting on this sort of thing do you remember i do and then everyone said well that's something

01:04:07.240 for a long time away well here's like getting closer and closer here's some more recent stuff with

01:04:11.700 regards to for instance america so this was uh back in 2014 and 2015 joe biden a white house summit

01:04:19.080 praised the constant and unrelenting stream of immigration into the u.s he said folks like me

01:04:25.180 who are caucasian of european descent for the first time in 2017 unsurprisingly he misspoke

01:04:31.300 because what he meant was i think 2040 uh we'll we'll be in an absolute minority in the united states

01:04:37.880 of america absolute minority yes no i remember the clip and that's not a bad thing that's a source of

01:04:42.760 our strength uh diversity is our strength joe biden the eternal the eternal irishman yeah what

01:04:49.160 can we say um put a catholic in charge there was the guardian reporting a few years ago saying gen z

01:04:54.500 will be the last generation with white majority in the u.s uh this was also reported on as far back as

01:05:00.300 2018 by the brookings institute saying all of this and there are people who are part of large

01:05:07.360 ngos anti-hate group ngos who for a very very long time have seemingly had a vested interest in

01:05:16.100 making sure that this happens to the point that quite notoriously the editor-in-chief of the spLC

01:05:22.940 the southern poverty law center uh a notorious anti anti-hate group mark potock was caught on a video

01:05:30.440 that was uploaded onto youtube which i don't know if it's still available you can try and follow this

01:05:35.080 link if you want to double check that for some reason has just been tracking non-hispanic whites

01:05:41.060 proportion of the u.s population uh going down of course he is the sort of person spLC or the sort

01:05:47.360 of organization that would say if you think that's a bad thing then you're committing a hate crime

01:05:51.900 absolutely trying to make sure that it's illegal so it's interesting to me that there are certain

01:05:55.920 people and certain ideologies that are have a vested interest in ensure in ensuring that european

01:06:02.400 majority of cultures become minorities one of the things that they would say is that if you why are

01:06:07.640 you worried about this what's the concern for the white population as biden has just done but then

01:06:13.080 you can just flip over to zimbabwe in fact they're already second-class city flip over to to zimbabwe

01:06:19.000 and south african say that's the extreme they just kill you and they will yeah they get into power and 0.95

01:06:24.460 they want to steal things from you you think you have ed davie and your friends will have a nice house

01:06:29.400 in surrey they won't come for that of course they will once they're in power for it because

01:06:34.760 that's and if they if they end up in power all of a sudden nothing works the taps don't work anymore

01:06:39.640 farming goes to pot if you're the guy with the nice house where things still kind of work they're

01:06:43.700 coming for you just the same as what happens to the farmers in south because to be fair if we were

01:06:47.640 a podcast at the time of the britons and the celts as the as the romans had left and we've watched

01:06:53.380 all the anglos and the saxons coming in we'd be sitting here going our population of anglo-saxon 0.95

01:06:58.160 romans were 100 now 10 years later we're down to 50 why because they've chopped us all up 1.00

01:07:02.680 they're gonna they're gonna push us into the welsh valleys that's right we're gonna go to island 0.87

01:07:07.200 the thing that underpins this though is the the unspoken question is why should we give up a

01:07:14.240 collective claim to the land we shouldn't have to exactly we shouldn't and so everything they do

01:07:20.040 is to attempt to erase the collective claim but the group of people as in the english have the

01:07:25.760 collective claim to england the irish have a collective claim to ireland and the entire point

01:07:30.760 of all of this is to say no you don't deserve this collective and and and in america this wasn't

01:07:35.620 like in england this wasn't put up to a popular vote this was a decision made through the passing

01:07:41.180 of the 1965 heart seller act which was explicitly argued on the basis that it would not fundamentally

01:07:48.560 change the demographics of the u.s as they existed in 1965 by that point this is just like jonathan

01:07:56.020 miller debating with enid power going well i just don't think they will become two-fifths non-white 0.89

01:08:01.760 it's like why not yeah so numbers add up it's always important to keep in mind that people promoting

01:08:06.020 these kinds of things lie they are lying to you and they were always lying to you think of all the

01:08:11.820 benefits we were sold on the diversity is our strength argument have any of them come to pass

01:08:16.760 no no everywhere is a shithole now frankly uh but there are some people who want to fight back

01:08:24.060 against it the only person i could find even remotely gesturing in this direction was uh rupert lowe uh

01:08:31.380 robert jenrich hadn't posted about this nigel farage hadn't oh don't expect his keir starmer might do 0.59

01:08:38.300 you never you never know uh but rupert lowe is at least getting people on board with his

01:08:45.540 attempts to try and get mass deportations going because mass deportations and general re-migration

01:08:51.100 are two of the things that really need to happen if we are going to reverse this before we reach

01:08:57.400 a turning point at which point who knows what is going to happen i know for one i do not want

01:09:02.920 my children my grandchildren to be growing up in a country where there's potentially going to be

01:09:08.040 political parties screaming kill the farmer as is happening in south africa so there are peaceful

01:09:13.680 solutions to it i mean we just don't want to reach the event horizon where it can't be done now

01:09:18.740 yes david betts warning well you are over that we're out over that curve that's the problem with

01:09:24.380 it and it's it's not just if we look about the fact that um white communities aren't having children

01:09:30.120 it's because of two other areas i think first of all is the cost of living in britain is making it

01:09:36.660 incredibly difficult for young white families who want to have children to be able to decide that

01:09:42.240 they've got to do so now because they've got to stay with their parents longer they're living in

01:09:45.900 rented accommodation which is not conducive to having a family so therefore pushing them further

01:09:50.720 down the line to age i mean i'd love to have had two but in the end i i've had one because i was too

01:09:57.300 old to be able to do it and that also goes towards women you know it's the families are still having

01:10:03.740 children who are families having children are still having more than 2.1 it's the fact that we've got

01:10:08.740 so many women and families not having children at all the single parent single families there are

01:10:14.880 studies that show that they're choosing not diversity inhibits people's uh desire to have

01:10:20.580 children yeah and and this is all on top of the changes in culture which have made the dating

01:10:25.340 market completely toxic yeah yeah very very difficult for any young man in particular to try to navigate

01:10:31.760 to find somebody suitable to have a family with it's probably just as bad for young women to be 1.00

01:10:36.020 seen the the sort of young men who are being produced aren't exactly the kind of guys they're

01:10:40.240 looking for so no no i mean we we we it's part of our job is to be able to persuade them that you

01:10:44.920 know you get off your bike work look after yourself keep healthy keep fit keep your mind sensible

01:10:50.340 ignore what they're telling you in school get a get a way of yourself up build yourself as a great

01:10:55.880 character and not be the one that slopes off as i as i saw coming in on uh today it's the kind of

01:11:02.160 guys creeping over the shoulders hiding outside vape shops sitting there to smoke themselves to

01:11:07.640 death like they're embarrassed of their own existence yeah don't be a hoodie don't start

01:11:11.320 playing you know music that belongs to new york running rather than your own you know i liked it

01:11:15.940 i'm a big rapper but i'm still a british person english at heart you know it's part not your culture

01:11:22.600 to listen to it all the time i've always said that um you you need to de-globalize your mind and part

01:11:29.260 of that is to take part in uh your ritual folk practices and to listen to the music that's come

01:11:35.880 from your culture and to read the stories that have come from your culture and just take part in

01:11:40.920 stuff that is kind of native to you like on this it's very silly it's very goofy but this weekend

01:11:46.720 a local parish near me is holding a competition where they're going to be doing a rolling the pie

01:11:53.280 down the hill i did see the cheese wheel rolling the other day yes i'm probably i'm probably going

01:11:59.020 to go and attend that yeah because it's just charming and it's adorable and it's something

01:12:03.140 because i was in france last week and this is something that i've experienced when i've been to

01:12:07.880 spain as well one time actually i was in spain on holiday and there was some local festival going on

01:12:13.320 in the town that i was staying in where they were all out and they were all celebrating and they were

01:12:17.180 shooting off it was very dangerous they were shooting off little children shooting off fireworks in the

01:12:21.840 middle of the street not up horizontally at each other it was very entertaining and very spanish

01:12:27.720 um and you know spain is not such a foreign culture to us they're european they're quite 0.94

01:12:33.520 near they are pretty foreign well they are foreign in comparison to some places they're pretty damn 1.00

01:12:37.320 foreign yeah but they're really but they're all really nice they were very friendly and looking at

01:12:42.040 it i could only observe it as an alien yeah as as a stranger i was looking at going this is charming

01:12:46.780 this is wonderful everybody's enjoying themselves i'm going to take a step back so i don't get

01:12:50.620 blown up but you know feel free to fire those fireworks but i can't appreciate those in the

01:12:56.080 same way that i can go to this parish on the weekend or a few weeks ago when i was in hastings

01:13:00.800 for the um um man on the green festival as well which felt like something that was much closer to

01:13:08.560 me and my own history because it is because it's an english holiday and so even european cultures

01:13:14.720 you can only observe their traditions for as a foreigner um so you should get involved in that

01:13:20.640 sort of stuff just so you can feel a bit when you're looking at that you you raise a very important

01:13:24.540 point you feel like you're a foreigner but it's quaint and you're loving the culture of somebody else

01:13:28.480 i don't understand i can't get into the head of all these liberal elites who turn around and say

01:13:33.660 i love going off to france and spain and italy and enjoying exactly what you have seen but when

01:13:38.900 they come back here they don't enjoy our own culture they're not you know our own dancing

01:13:44.660 around the maypole which i don't see anymore you know i saw a bit of that at the um man on the green

01:13:51.640 festival actually it's charming yeah it's very charming what about our culture why are they so

01:13:55.780 and a hatred of that culture and obviously george orwell identified it but they hate the english

01:14:01.240 culture but they think it's quaint when they go elsewhere well there's a certain cosmopolitan

01:14:06.100 arrogance that comes with feeling that not being rooted to anywhere gives you a sense of class

01:14:12.540 superiority yeah they think if they can appreciate the alien and the foreign uh that they're not

01:14:17.940 attached to that that makes them tasteful i tell you that's a very good point i i thought the video

01:14:24.200 disagree with that i thought the video of the cheese wheel race thing was amazing as well because

01:14:28.460 you saw the one guy just bouncing that it's like is that guy all right and then he got straight back

01:14:32.700 that looked that looked bloody painful that's the kind of british spirit that won so many

01:14:38.820 exactly yeah gnomes putting gnomes in your garden yeah there you go let's go to the video comments we

01:14:44.900 don't talk about the gnomes arizona desert rat also says uh well aren't you all just a ray of

01:14:49.380 sunshine on this lovely morning well you have things going brilliantly yeah it's not the morning

01:14:54.640 where we are yeah sorry gotcha the mention of nuclear bombers yesterday reminded me of ge's beetle

01:15:02.760 a real life mech commissioned by the u.s air force you see it was intended to work on nuclear bombers

01:15:08.600 while keeping the operator safe however it was very finicky with over 400 miles of wire inside

01:15:14.780 sadly there's no video of it in action and before it could be perfected intercontinental ballistic

01:15:20.660 missiles made it obsolete too bad they didn't have me back then huh check out my stuff on youtube at

01:15:26.440 nye mechworks i didn't i didn't realize that metal gear solid was based on actual historical events in

01:15:34.400 that case i've never even heard of that no i had to build a mech robot that fires nukes oh that's

01:15:40.020 don't give zelenska any ideas he's probably working on it that'll be a great way to spend my tax money

01:15:46.400 yeah let's go to the next one hey guys can you put out a list of where we can get the proper

01:15:51.780 original fairy tales like the versions of the fairy tales that we used in the segment that'd be really

01:15:56.280 good also carl if you're going to read harry potter just remember it's not a fantasy series it's a

01:16:02.380 mystery series it's garbage as a fantasy series also here's why i wasn't at the gold tier zoom call

01:16:08.800 last week oh hey if you want to get me a wedding present i'd love a few sales of my books so you

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01:16:27.180 uh listening right now that's k-n-o-t-t-i-e-d yeah well done that's very good

01:16:32.960 the next one we wanted to do a wrestling event between me and my staff and sargon and his staff

01:16:42.820 you lose mate and by the way now none of this is planned before everyone panics and freaks out and

01:16:48.260 everything none of this is planned it is an idea that get floated that was it and we went that

01:16:53.680 would be fun we could do this we could do that and then just for an absolute meet we've done it for

01:16:57.760 charity and this would be a case of after all of our costs and like payments to people has been

01:17:02.280 deducted it would all just get sent to charity like the full packet it would he just wants to

01:17:07.260 get oiled up and you know grease around him i'm well up for this i'm well up for this i already have

01:17:12.760 gimmick ideas for myself lined up i've even got a gimmick idea ideas that's good next could be the

01:17:21.200 philosopher oh that's good your finishing move could be uh the bloviate the next one absolutely no way i

01:17:30.340 would join a force now for 27 grand and do what we're doing not a chance if i could do my time

01:17:35.080 if i was starting now i wouldn't join basically end up thinking every single day i'm going to get

01:17:40.300 sacked for something everything is bum covering now we're not policing anymore we're arse covering

01:17:44.560 constantly um and it just means that we don't do police work all we do is basically we go to a job

01:17:52.960 we spend an hour doing paperwork afterwards and then we go to the next job we spend we don't

01:17:57.600 police no i believe it i believe it and i don't blame her bless her yeah it must be incredibly

01:18:04.340 frustrating like we've said many many times there are brilliant police officers just like her who

01:18:09.420 want to do the job and get it done but they're being held back by a class of individuals who don't

01:18:14.200 care yeah and their entire job is to regulate the police so patrol them so they can't do whatever

01:18:19.660 they want oh craig by the way the uh the um uh i forgot to answer the question uh basically you

01:18:26.400 can't really get the original prints of the fairy tales anymore you have to get modern prints from

01:18:31.200 modern audiences or go on ebay and get secondhand ones like i did so anyway let's go to the next one

01:18:36.760 you know paris i love paris or at least i did any you see the streets filled with flowers the old

01:18:44.920 classic cars and stephen you're reminiscing of what paris used to be was charming but for me there is

01:18:50.760 only one definitive view of paris as captured in the film at sette un rendezvous oh right in the early

01:18:56.020 hours of the morning a car is driven at full chat through the streets for the driver to attend a

01:19:00.460 little assignation it's utterly irresponsible and yet filled with the joie de vivre that we'd expect of

01:19:05.800 france in the 1970s well i was doing the 80s so but that is actually brilliant i have seen

01:19:11.740 seen that that little clip and it's lovely you kind of think to yourself i wish i could have done that

01:19:16.580 in in london in an open top jaguar e-type or something like that would have been brilliant

01:19:21.440 the assignation though i would love to have had someone at the end of that

01:19:25.120 oh thanks for that that's a good reminiscence of brilliant bringing that one up henry says uh the

01:19:35.240 debt spending is insane but i do have sympathy for the idea the u.s may need to spend some money to

01:19:39.260 make some more the headline figures seem to be about encouraging rewarding behaviors they want

01:19:43.600 uh and to get the more hard-up families working and contributing rather than being a drain to be

01:19:48.060 fair this is actually a good uh perspective on it he says sure that is more than the doge savings but

01:19:52.900 it's dollars spent on making american lives better which is true and like you know i couldn't

01:19:57.760 criticize where trump was actually cutting that was fun um not the global money laundering scheme of

01:20:03.400 usa designed to undermine the country they should ideally get to a big financial reset around how

01:20:09.020 the u.s fundamentally works but they have to keep the lights on at the same time and stop spending

01:20:13.740 money angle feels as naive as just stop oil i'm not saying stop spending money i'm just saying i

01:20:18.480 think uh elon's probably got a point but uh henry says uh the usa approach around one bill to rule

01:20:24.800 them all which rivals the entire lord of the rings novels in length really needs to be put to an end

01:20:28.880 uh it is just because getting a bill into law is so chaotic and a pain that they shovel everything

01:20:34.100 they want to get done over the next four years into a single bill uh yeah yeah that sounds about

01:20:38.580 right yeah it's definitely a problem with the system um lancelot says if you just set fire to

01:20:45.500 your money at least you get something out of it you'd stay warm uh this message coming to you from

01:20:50.520 weimar germany yeah i mean it again just the the amount of money it's just it's just words on a page

01:21:00.120 when you're talking about it you know um bleached demon says so physical assault is now legal uh

01:21:05.540 grounds to prove that you have been grossly offensive well this is opening doors that will

01:21:09.520 not restrain evil imagine women getting attacked with acid now the courts could proclaim she was 0.81

01:21:13.420 agitating the attacker would have fallen nation the case yeah i mean the idea the idea that the the attack

01:21:18.440 is proof of the conviction is just yeah so crazy it'll be interesting to see how this goes through

01:21:23.940 the appeals and again i would if not not that i'm eager to see violence on the streets of the uk or

01:21:30.100 anything but it would be interesting to see other test cases where some of the different variables

01:21:35.320 were switched around like the religion and the race of the attackers and the race of the people who

01:21:39.420 were uh burning whatever religious document it is that would be very interesting daniel says same as

01:21:45.220 when tommy was kicked out of the city center on a public order he was watching the football with

01:21:49.260 his kids at a pub and the excuse the police used was that others might attack him yeah i think he

01:21:53.460 was banned from leicester or something uh whereas just he was in a pub with his kids watching football

01:21:58.280 it's the same principle suddenly now that you're minding your own business you're doing the everything

01:22:03.980 within the law but because someone else doesn't want to do anything within the law and dislikes you the

01:22:08.660 police will support them yeah and and that's crazy anathema that's anathema to the kind of law that i

01:22:13.780 grew up with and and it shouldn't be there and i hope they appeal i do hope they go for an appeal

01:22:17.740 and get someone sensible to look at this and it's crazy this is the way that we're doing i can't

01:22:23.240 recreate my favorite scene from die hard three anymore is what you're telling i haven't seen die

01:22:27.120 hard three oh never mind i don't know if i'm telling you that there's a scene where um uh bruce

01:22:33.020 willis goes to harlem and is forced to wear oh i have seen billboard over himself a board over

01:22:40.200 himself yes ah i'm gonna have to watch it just for that it's a really good film it's up there

01:22:45.140 with the first one okay okay jimbo says can you imagine going back in time and telling richard

01:22:49.440 the lionheart the realm is being openly conquered by islam and the current king supports it well um 1.00

01:22:54.960 i can't speak french and uh james says i'm not really bothered about the guy who got arrested for

01:23:02.480 burning the quran i think it says more about us christians that we just stand there and do nothing 1.00

01:23:05.400 if someone burns a bible in front of us um yeah but i mean you would think that that would be

01:23:12.500 the normal thing to do and that the law would support the right of that person rather than

01:23:17.760 punishing them uh like i mean we've we've had this perspective for a long time even if on the books

01:23:25.420 until 2008 we technically had blasphemy laws you've got this ramification remember the the um

01:23:31.160 labor mp women woman labor mp who's now a minister who turned around and said and an england flag in

01:23:41.180 rochester during the election look at that isn't isn't that kind of disgusting and that's an england 0.55

01:23:47.600 flag then you've seen people burning the england flag and stamping on the england flag now if someone

01:23:52.540 like tommy robinson goes and stabs them in the chest for standing on the england flag this is the same sort

01:23:58.360 of analogy that we call back on that as a precedent absolutely you can come back on that because

01:24:02.720 there's someone that's doing something that's offensive harassment causing distress then the

01:24:07.120 very fact that we stabbed them in the chest for standing on an england flag is exactly the same

01:24:10.760 sort of thing or what happens outside a synagogue for example with some people supporting hammers

01:24:15.960 and the reaction of those in the synagogue is to go out and attack them is is that them proving it so 0.78

01:24:22.100 the attack is proof that it was provocative that's right so you've now got some really weird

01:24:26.000 ramifications that can come from this that's crazy charlie says uh steven there is a case of a

01:24:31.440 pakistani christian having an asylum claim denied quote a pakistani christian woman's appeal to britain

01:24:36.540 for asylum has been denied because her arrival in the country maester civil unrest the huffington

01:24:41.520 post reported ah okay well i've missed that one so yeah no i haven't seen that either i hadn't seen

01:24:46.360 that one asia bb a christian farm laborer was released from prison in pakistan on wednesday after

01:24:50.500 being acquitted of blasphemy she had spent eight years on death row after an argument with a group of

01:24:54.960 muslim women in june 2009 i think i have heard of this one actually um basically in pakistan it's not 0.97

01:25:01.060 actually very unusual for people to be accused of burning a quran or desecrating a quran uh after

01:25:06.560 some kind of incident uh but yeah maester civil unrest what the muslims here might be upset with it

01:25:12.960 so okay all right furious dan says possibly the highest f-bomb density of any load seeker segment yeah

01:25:19.840 we shouldn't have been doing that no no i was i was repeating the court case remember that was in

01:25:25.340 the court case george says in the arrogance the elites think that they will be able to control islam

01:25:30.060 and keep the normies in check with it soon they'll realize that the vampire they let in is not

01:25:34.320 interested in manners or diplomacy yeah i know this is this is um something that anyone from lebanon can

01:25:40.160 tell you in fact um actually uh it's not something you're going to be able to control

01:25:44.820 roman observer says any functioning liberal system would need by necessity to fully reject

01:25:50.860 the whole of islam it can't coexist well that's another point that uh is never one never one they 1.00

01:25:57.980 want to raise islam is probably the least liberal religion how do you square anything they do with 1.00

01:26:05.280 liberalism but uh anyway theodore points out that mahmoud uh what's the name what's the first name

01:26:11.640 shabana shabana manmood yeah sounded generally genuinely angry that an mp death suggested it

01:26:17.420 was a blasphemy law like a personal insult that even voiced the thought yeah i saw i noticed that

01:26:21.680 as well she was furious that he'd said that it's like yeah but this is de facto what is happening

01:26:26.560 yeah you know why are you getting so upset by it and i i think that actually this is one of those

01:26:31.300 positions on which they feel personally vulnerable if they feel like they're going to be tarred with

01:26:36.760 you created a blasphemy law uh then evidently they they react to they are what they react to

01:26:42.480 david says any mp under starmer will be used to having to push them through the back door

01:26:49.080 listen man we we don't know that's kind of more the tory party really i think that is but but

01:26:56.520 it's not the leader of the tory party who's getting heard properly attacked by ukrainian

01:27:01.560 so by beautiful young men yes the great title one yeah so you know just saying uh alex says

01:27:09.740 you do well to remember that goodwin isn't really in our camp he's a farage like character who follows

01:27:13.360 in the wake of trends he has some great work and i like him but he's not even in favor of deporting

01:27:17.180 all of the illegals let alone the remigration of legal immigrants for the majority of the problem

01:27:20.600 i don't think that's true i think he is in favor of deporting all the illegals um but i i know

01:27:24.980 matt and i've spoken to him a bunch of times and he is very concerned about the demographic

01:27:28.640 trend in the country which is why he did that research in fact i spoke to him a couple of

01:27:32.380 weeks ago and one of the first things he just started going on about was we're going to become

01:27:36.000 a minority in this country that's a problem because he's a dad like the rest of us and we're worried 1.00

01:27:40.880 about the future that we're giving to i would be interested to i still haven't heard a great um

01:27:47.960 discussion on the turnaround that he's done from his old days writing anti-extremist literature for

01:27:53.840 chatham house uh so i think the argument is that things just got a lot worse okay that's actually

01:28:01.100 quite a strong argument was it his come to jesus am i the bad guy moment uh i've that's what i've

01:28:07.140 heard yes oh okay as in like i mean he he is the one in fact in the telegraph in your segment banging

01:28:13.060 the drum about we're going to become a minority and we don't want that to happen so i mean if if this

01:28:17.240 is containment and this is deep cover i mean what else is there well he does do good research

01:28:23.660 yeah i don't know i'm not very helpful in terms of the argument and i i get it is he is he a generic

01:28:30.240 is he a liz truss is he a you know advance has he really changed i mean one could argue the same

01:28:36.740 with me i'll go that was a long time ago i started off with arguments for socialism and being a

01:28:40.860 socialist i've moved my life through to the opposite now where is there to the right of the white

01:28:45.320 british are going to become a minority in their own homeland that's the farthest right position 1.00

01:28:49.960 isn't it like the yeah no no it is like in reasonably speaking obviously but like in reasonable

01:28:57.040 discourse of the show you're gonna get me in trouble here buddy that's the that's the sort

01:29:04.520 of thing nick griffin was saying like 20 years well no that's that that is the point no that's the

01:29:09.400 thing is that he um like people criticize him for having been one of the people who tried to shut

01:29:13.960 down that kind of discussion 20 years ago and i think it's fair to uh for people to be critical

01:29:18.680 of yeah yeah it is fair placing that although of course nick griffin these days is the sort of

01:29:23.300 person who'll go on podcasts with islamists yeah and be like yeah i accept our new islamic overlords 0.85

01:29:27.440 so that's just what are you doing is he really yeah he did yeah he went on some five pillars

01:29:32.020 podcast what was it was it that what dressed up in a was it that he wasn't dressed up was that

01:29:36.320 what was his name adi hussein yeah something like that well obviously it was just like

01:29:41.240 nick griffin basically paying the g's yet it was like okay it was so weird that's mad okay

01:29:45.660 but the point is like you know how reasonably speaking within the bounds of normalcy there's

01:29:51.700 really nowhere else for matt goodwin to go as long as positive change can be enacted

01:29:56.320 yeah but to be like look we're gonna become a minority that's literally nick griffin

01:30:00.500 that's that's that's what i mean yeah if you know if this getting out i think matt is angling for

01:30:06.460 the home office yeah if yeah if then if that if then things can happen which are positive for us

01:30:11.780 then you know anyway uh anyway on that bombshell uh thanks for joining us folks uh we'll see you again

01:30:19.100 tomorrow

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 04, 2025

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1179

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